Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Reacts To Joel Embiid's Devastating Injury

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

Gil's Arena Reacts To Joel Embiid's Devastating Injury as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew discuss Embiid undergoing a procedure to repair his meniscus and break down what this means for the NBA MVP favorite, his teammate Tyrese Maxey and the Philadelphia 76er's playoff hopes. They then dive into the announcement of NBA All Star starters & reserves and react to players who got snubbed like Trae Young, James Harden and the stars of the Sacramento Kings in De'Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis. Finally, they address how Steph Curry has been cooking for the Golden State Warriors even though the team has been a hot pack of mid...should the Dubs make a trade to help get their superstar back to the NBA Playoffs?? Please consider giving us a like and subscribe!!!! Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 CHAPTERS: Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:04:25 21 Savage CHEATS Adin Ross 0:11:24 Jay-Z Calls Out The Grammys 0:18:21 What's An Award You Deserved But Didn't Win 0:30:16 NBA All Star Snubs 0:34:05 How Can Trae Stop Being Snubbed?? 0:36:34 Doc Rivers Doesn't Want to Coach The All Stars 0:45:10 Joel Embiid To Undergo Knee Surgery 1:04:55 Maxey Is Ready To Carry The 76ers 1:26:27 Steph Curry Drops 60 In A LOSS!! 1:40:13 More Influencial - Culture or Teammates 2:06:48 How Influential Was Skip To My Lou? 2:30:49 MostlyFans 2:39:13 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Or the locker room. Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoa, whoa! Woo! For those of you that joined the show on time, you know our mics were cut, but we were having a spirited discussion that we will get into later on the show. Leave it alone. Always great to be back here with y'all in the arena on a lovely

Monday. El Negro's in full effect. We got about five to six inches of rain, but we still had to come give the people the show they know and love. What's up, Gil? How you doing? Getting ready for Valentine's Day? No, I was getting ready to golf. There's rain outside.

There's rain outside. So this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the Now I was getting ready to golf. I was ran outside Train outside So this is gills arena presented by underdog fantasy as always we got the legend Gilbert arenas here What do we got Brandon Jennings back here with us represent tough crowd? And Rashad McCants the dream killer back Like the shirt. I don't you don't know what you know TV. Okay? That's a hose Yeah, I Andy and that's a B. And that's a lion. D's, B, lion.

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Trae Young was snubbed yet again for the All-Star game. Why does Ice Trae get so much hate from the players and media? We will discuss. And Steph has been cooking, but the Warriors been cooked. Will the Doves make a deal before the trade deadline? Send some help for 30. It's close. Four days?

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And if you can't watch the show live with us on YouTube, we've got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts from. I'm sorry, my voice is a little janky right now. I was yelling all weekend. Multiple games. Big games. Did you win?

Did you win, though? They be six and seven. No, the big kids, too. Oh, okay. Them kids be six. He be out there yelling. Yelling. Pass the ball.

Beat our rivals at the buzzer. Had to let them know. Okay. They were talking a lot. School was 6-4. Had to talk about rivals at the buzzer. Now, on the high school side, kids got smacked. Oh, yeah, because it's getting to playoffs.

Yeah, yeah. You already know. Kids got smacked. Oh, my God. What happened? There's two refs out there that need to be banned from high school basketball. Are they fucked up? They only work together.

They only work together. And we've complained about this group all season. It started last year when they fouled Elijah out. They gave him four fouls in three minutes just to get him out of the game. Tic-tacs. Yeah. And then they did it again last night. Lucky for us, the commissioner of refs were there because they heard that they were going to be there.

So they wanted to see it for themselves. But they tried to kick me out again for the fifth time. Like, yo, I'm more famous than y'all. Stop. Just focus on the game, all right? No matter how much I yell, no one's kicking me out of the building, so stop. I went to school here.

You think they got something against you? No, that's facts. I'm like, y'all over here picking on 16, 15-year-old kids, right? Just ref the game, man. Like, oh, yeah, why y'all? Like, they told the stat sheet guy, why y'all jocking him? He ain't that good. Right there.

The ref said that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Change the ref. Yeah. Wow, yeah, that's cheating. That's cheating. So they fouled him out for the fourth time. So every time he's played against them, all his foul outs have been foul outs been the same to rest know what you're supposed to say fade outside

Right now market lot as much as I want to say, you know, I mean, there's a reason y'all are 60 years old 60 years old still doing high school. I'm out knocking him Why y'all jockeying him because you know everybody because he hit the he hit the buzzer beater to send it overtime So everybody's yelling. yeah, score table. That's a good game. Why y'all jockeying him? He ain't that good. Oh, he did not do that.

Man. But it was a great game, win or lose. We played against the rival Nick Young's high school. I noticed you posted a video, Gil. You were in Cleveland High School's arena. I think you surveyed the whole arena looking for a jersey. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

I'm just saying, right? I'm just saying. Is your high school jersey retired? I mean, he don't do jerseys, but I'm in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, New Hampton. Yeah, it's up there, right? You know? It was like, yeah, he's supposed to be the best in the Valley.

And your own high school didn't retire your jersey? I mean, it's Cleveland. They ain't got your name on the building, not on the floor, like Nick Young floor. Youngin's in town. They ain't got a section for you. The young section. You know, I'm just saying, to be the king,

you're not even the best player at your school. Me? You know, that was just me lying. You know what I mean? I was just looking like, yeah, hey, hold this, Nicky Young Kyle. Wait a minute. Do they have anything on the wall? No, they got like years people won. Okay. And I was like, yeah, what year did he go to school?

Oh, they didn't win shit in here, huh? Damn. Damn. They got his jersey at USC? I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. in here, huh? Damn. They got his jersey at USC? I don't know. That's a good question. What'd they got his, huh? At USC. We don't support that school. Listen, long as he has his jersey at home, that's all that matters. If you're a real one in high school and you retire your own jersey, nobody's wearing it again. I'm taking it to the crib and the longest mom has it hanging on the wall

Let's retire Let's get into it don't start Outside of basketball so got my Krusty Krab he's got interesting with Aiden Ross a 21 Savage during a recent card game where Ross discovered someone in savages crew Was using the deck with marked cards. This is crazy. Yeah, this one doesn't have it The Queen has it see look look see the six See See bro, what you want?

Huh? What you want to do? Just get my bag at 2K. All right. Yeah. I love someone's getting up jumpers in the background. What were they playing? I think they were flipping cards.

Well, some type of card game. He flipped the cards to see which one is king. Oh, just flipping the high card? Yeah, I think so. So why would the six be marked? They marking all the cards to see which one is king. Oh, just flipping the high card? Yeah, I think that's it. So why would the six be marked? They're marking all the cards. I think the six was not marked. The high card is marking high cards.

So Savage was down 400 bands, had won 250 back when the discovery was made. Should be noted that Savage offered to repay the full amount after the marked card situation. But you gentlemen, you know, you've played cars in your life before. Team planes, functions, and whatnot. Can you recall a time when you caught somebody trying to play you for a sucker? On a pole? Just in life.

I mean, I've heard of, like, like, ice games. Oh, no. Yeah, nah, nah, nah. Yeah, I got a... We was playing college football. It was, like, no. Yeah, nah, nah, nah. Yeah, I got a, we was playing college football. It was like 2006, maybe. And I was betting on a game. And first game, I beat him.

Beat him by like 60, right? Came back the next day. He beats me by 60. I'm like, hell no. You ain't turn that good overnight, bro. Like, you're doing the same move. Like, he just hike it and then try to throw a Hail Mary. So it's not like he changed his playbook.

But wait. Run some rounds. That's college football shit. Like, that's the college football cheat. Just throw it deep and he'll catch it. But that's what I'm saying. So I know the same play you're gonna try to do let's get that right So I'm in the same be privet in the same defense, but they you catching all of it now

Right, so I didn't even think about sliders at that That's what made me cheat my friend after I realized like so I started good like I lost and I like bit a thousand But that 10 same result same move he running no pull he ain't trying to run So I started, like, I lost, and I was like, bet $1,000. Bet $10,000. Same result. Same move. He ain't running no points. He ain't trying to run. I got the whole field back, and he'd throw it, and he'd just catch it through everybody. And I'm sitting here like, hey, man, let's go to the sliders. And then he turns it off.

Like, nah, we ain't got nah. And then I wanted to bring my own box. No. So that was nah. Pay me my money first. And I was like, oh, hell nah. Then. Pay me my money first. And I was like, oh, hell no. Then I had to Google what it is.

I was like, oh, yeah, you cheating. You put a little code in. Damn. Yeah. Like, I can say if the plays were changed, bro, like,

you got a new team and y'all ready to play actions and shit. Four downs, four helmet. That's all he did. Yeah. Cheat code. Cheat. Yeah, cheat code.

Cheat code, cheat code, that was the only time I got. Nigga hit me with the loaded dice. Ooh! The Melvin 711, that's all a nigga moment. Man, I'm like, yo, I keep crapping out, you keep hitting the point. Every time, he was switching the dice out. Niggas wasn't even paying attention.

Ooh. Mm. Mm-mm-mm. He talking about being down, too. Like, when you down, you want your face back. Uh-huh. And so,

what the nigga did was, I'm shooting. I'm losing. Damn. But I'm not crapping out. I'm just, like, I keep the dice. Mm-hmm.

I'm like, damn, man. Then finally, it's his role. I'm not I'm not crapping out. I'm just like I keep the dice I'm like damn man. Then finally it's his it's his role I'm like, I bet I'm about to get my face back. No, I'm good Mmm, and then and and the hood we don't play though like you got to give me a chance to get my money back Yeah, now he's like nah nah nah. I'm good. I'm about to bounce You about to bounce where? Where you going? No, no, no, no, we're not playing the bounce game. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

So he pulled the McKins on the McKins. So that's where the McKins came from. He pulled the McKins, won and got the hell out of there. Okay, that's what it is. That's why I started doing that. You ain't getting no feedback. No rewinds. No rewinds. No retries.

I learned my lesson. I was like, that's how y'all doing? Take my win and get the hell out. Brandon, can you recall a time in your life when you caught somebody trying to play you for a sucker? Not gambling. Just in life? Just probably like women, baby moms. I played like a sucker.

She got in and she got out This is black here few months. We were trying to keep the positivity flowing on this job So have you ever been a situation where someone didn't want to pay their debt? Let's say you want some bread off somebody and they tried to circumvent Covering their debts No, I mean in now. Not in the NBA. Okay. You always got your bread good?

I mean, everyone actually has money. So, you know, when you're not... When you're not paying, like I said, we the first and the 14th. So it's not like, you know, when you have disagreements, then it's more like side talking, shit like that.

It has nothing to do with the actual money at the time. Okay. And the Bure games is if you ain't got the money, put your name on the ticket. We keep playing with the ticket on the ticket. He owe you. Damn. Man, I need that ticket. And the rule was 24 hours.

You got 24 hours? ATM when we land, you can get at the ATM or in the morning when we have practice. And wire that check. Mm-hmm. Wire that check. Because at the end of the day, at the end of the year, it's damn near,

you done washed the money. It's done washed out. You know what I mean? You know, you have somebody who like wins $25,000, $30,000

that flight and then go buy something right with your money and you. Yeah, this came from you. Yeah, this came from you. And then, yeah. Oh, that's all that. Yeah.

That's so fast. Just to talk shit. Yeah, that's what I got off of you. Yeah, got these new Louis. That's what makes you mad. You flex on him, but at the end of the day, he done lost the same amount the rest of the year. Tim Banz. He does.

Tim Banz. We going to the club. Bottles on me tonight. No, I mean bottles on Brandon. Somebody ever flexed on you, they ended up losing that and having to give it back to you? No, that's what I'm saying. Somebody flexed a watch on you, but then they end up losing it. They got to hand it over.

Nah, because most of us want the money. We want the cash. We want the cash. We want the cash. I got something else the cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got something else to buy with it. Yeah, you got some work. All right, let's keep this thing moving. We're going to head over to the music side.

Grammys were this Sunday. Jay-Z was the recipient of the Dr. Dre Global Impact Award. During his speech, Jay took some time to call out the Grammys on a few things, including the statue his queen bee is still missing. You know, I don't want to embarrass this young lady, but she has more Grammys than everyone and never won album of the year. So even by your own metrics that doesn't work. Think about that. The most Grammys never won album of the year. That doesn't work. You know, some of you, some of you going gonna go home tonight and feel like you've

been robbed some of you made it Rob some of you don't belong in a category now when I get nervous I tell the truth so Hove also called out the Grammys for Will Smith's boycott in 1989 for not televising best rap album. I believe that was the first year that that category was created. And his own boycott in 1999 after DMX didn't get nominated for rap album of the year after dropping two classics.

You may recall, It's Dark and Hell is Hot and Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood. Neither one got nominated, but that's the game here we are you get nominated did not get nominated peace DMX to number one albums Gil same year here we are in 2024 Grammys didn't televise the best rap album again and killer Mike got handcuffed after winning that award in the arena wait what you see a video killer Mike getting escorted out of crypto. Oh, no I see him getting arrested, but that was where at the Grammys Yeah, he was what was he got the Grammys for he won a one best album

Best rap song and killer Mike from like and what early 2000 won three. Yeah kill me. Yes. Oh, yeah. He's still rapping feel Wow, yeah. He's still rapping? Still. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. No. Wow. And what?

Best Rap Performance. And Best Rap Performance. Into 2024. Over Travis Scott, Metro Boomin. Man, the old school should be standing up then. We back, Gil. Nah, serious, because, you know, most of the youth don't even know half of you guys. Shit, most of none of you guys anymore.

Oh, the youth is upset. They're highly upset. Oh, I mean, so for the fact that, you know, an older guy can get in there and still, you know, pull out of wars is amazing. That's amazing. So Killer Mike, 48 years old. Shout out to him representing for the older generation. We are washed, but we are still talented. But let's get back to Beyonce.

Jay makes a valid point. His self-titled lemonade a rent Renaissance We're all deserving of album the year did not win though as he pointed out So do you respect Jay for speaking out for Beyonce Brandon? I'm gonna start with you. Yeah, of course That's his wife gotta speak out for your boo. Yeah, that's it. I mean that's his wife and that's how he feels That's how he feels But shout out to him getting that award though that the black, you know, Dr. Dre award. That's tough.

He got a black Grammy. Drinking out of it after he received it, the ultimate flex. Rashad, you respect Jay for speaking out for Beyonce? I don't got no comment. No comment. I respectfully pass. You respectfully? Yeah.

You know, pass the rock. Pass the rock. Is there a reason for this respectful passing of the rock? Respectfully pass you respectfully. Yeah, but the past ever after rock That's the rock. Is there a reason for this respectful passing of the rock? Time in other people Consideration You know there's black culture and there's music culture and Sometimes when you start winning a bunch of shit,

you become entitled to those awards. So sometimes when you don't win, you feel some type of way. When DJ Khaled didn't win, he was trying to shit on Tyler, the creator, who worked very hard to get where he was at. You know what I'm saying? So it's like sometimes you don't win, and sometimes you just got to sit that ass down and take that ass with them. So you don't think she deserved Album of the Year?

Wait, what is the question? Do you respect Jay for speaking out for Beyonce? Because Beyonce? Oh, yes. Most Grammys ever has never won Album of the Year. So the question is what? Do you respect Jay for speaking out for Beyonce at the Grammy? Yes, that's his wife.

Using that platform at the very award show that has sh at the Grammy? Yes, that's his wife. Using that platform at the very award show that has shunned her. Yes, that's his wife. So, I mean, he's going to stand for what he believes that she should have. But did they shun her if she's won the most Grammys? Yeah, but if you haven't won... So you want one more? The ultimate.

That's what I'm saying. How is he... No, I mean... She can't be shunned if she's won... You know what I'm saying? The question is do you, what is the question? Do you respect Jay? Do you respect Jay for what he did?

It has nothing to do with if she won or not. That's why I said I'd respectfully pass on that. The question, like, yeah. That doesn't matter. The question you're talking about is a whole other question. Yeah. The question is, do you think she deserved that? That wasn't the question.

No, that's the follow-up. That's the follow-up, yeah. So ask the follow-up. We just did, Gilbert. Like I'm saying, it's like... Do you feel like Beyonce's been snubbed at least one of those times? Yeah, she got snubbed last year, too. She had more percentage of the votes, and she got snubbed.

Did she win Grammys last year, though? She won Grammys, actually. So I'm winning Grammys for everything, but I can't get Al Mothier. So I just come here

and get every other award, but Al Mothier I don't get. You don't seem, you don't think that's kind of weird? Is it not enough? Huh?

Is it not enough? Is it not enough? I mean, you don't think she deserved it? It ain't about what I think. They didn't give it to her. Obviously, she wasn't deserving of it. She got all the other ones, though.

Was she deserving of those? She got them. I mean, I'm just saying. Sometimes the metrics don't add up in your favor. Like, look, we're not going to say LeBron don't deserve being the most accomplished basketball player of all time based on his numbers and his stats. They all match. But then we can't say, oh, we're not going to put him at the top because he switched teams three times.

No, that's not the same. The same as 96-97. Michael Jordan, they won, what, 69? Was that 60-something? 69 games, maybe? Right? I think the Bulls won 69 games that year, and he led the NBA in scoring. You said 96-97? Yeah, is that 96-97? Yes, they were 69-13.

Say 69- 13, right? 69 and 13, he obviously leads the league in scoring and did all that, but loses the MVP. To who? I think Karl Malone's team. All right. So that means that Karl Malone was probably having a better year. At which part? Not winning.

Not scoring. Jordan averaged 36 and 4 assists that year. What was Carl's numbers? Let me pull it up. 96, 97. Sometimes it's a tight squeeze. Sometimes it's, hey, man, we're going to pick him. It felt like the media had fatigue, though.

That's bullshit, bro. That's what I'm saying. 27 and 10. Yeah, so 27 and 10, he wins the MVP. so Jordan's numbers is better, and his team is better. Jordan's scoring is better. And his team is better. So no matter what the metric is, so sometimes even though you're behind because of how you played last year, this might be a better year for you individually.

So sometimes we don't know what the metrics is of how they're using it You know Jordan's numbers versus last year versus team is plus one and he might be a plus five Compared to what he did last year, which is not the right way to do it. So, you know if someone wins You know for Grammys for these songs in this album, right and Then you win one Grammy for a song in an album How was your?

Your album better than mine when I won exactly so many awards it from the album He says the the metric goes from different genres of type of music, right? You got best R&B, you got best soul, you got best hip-hop, and then you got best pop, and then you got all of these different metrics. And then the best album is a culmination of all of these things. And that's what Beyoncé touches. But that's what she didn't win. No, but what I'm saying is, so if I have album, I mean, not album,

but like song of the year. Doesn't mean your album is the album of the year. You had the best song. Song of the year. So that means between me and you, even though we're in different genres, we're actually going up against each other in that category too. Just for song, not album. So song, creativity, videos.

Videos. All that. So if I'm beating you- You did all that. So if I'm beating you in there, how can I? That doesn't speak for the album. The album is a total body of work. It's more than one track. It's a total body.

So if the album of the year doesn't signify a metric for song of the year, that's the song that had the most traction, the most singles. It did everything as far as this one track. It's a famous track. Everybody knows it. It's like Drake's Hotline Bling. Like, hit, right? The album didn't make album of the year, because it wasn't the hottest album. No, I get what you're saying, but I'm saying, so if I got song of the year, creativity

fourth in this album of the year, collabs from this album of the year, that's in the same album, not one song. So that means if I won four or five trophies from this whole body of work, different songs got me to win this. Technically, I cannot lose album of the year because you only won once. Somebody can have a better album than you. No, they don't have a better album.

You know what it is. It's the voting. No, what I'm saying is... How can it be the voting?? It's not the voting when you win. Yes, it is the voting when you lose It's not the voting when you win. No, it's okay. I mean, but there is not let's not let's not sugarcoat it No, you may take you that's not sure if you take all the all the awards home You're not complaining about what the motherfuckers is voting on. But then that one time you lose, it's not the one time. It's been consistent. It ain't consistent if you won all the

damn awards, except for one. Name a Taylor Swift song. Name a Taylor Swift song. You won all the awards. It ain't about... Except for one. It's back-to-back years that she ain't win. Get in the studio and make better music. Come on now.

Come on now. No, no, no, but if you say that, it's not like she's winning one award for that one song. She's winning multiple awards from the songs on that CD. But we're not complaining about the wins on those things and those metrics. We're not complaining about oh, yeah, that was fair, that was fair,

that was fair, this is not fair. Stop. It's only one person. Her husband spoke up. It was her husband. I'm just saying. If it's fair when you win and it's not fair when you lose, what are we doing? But she's not won. I mean, I didn't know.

I would have known that she didn't win Al Mubi. She hasn't won Al Mubi. That is a weird one. But she won everything else, though. That's not weird. I mean, it's possible that you have, it's possible if you have one or two great songs on an album, the album is not good, but these two songs get you winning awards. Yeah, that could happen.

Right? It's just like being a scoring champ, but you win nothing else. That's what happens. That's what happens. But she's winning. The problem is she's winning multiple awards throughout. multiple awards bound our rebound in assists and foreign title NBA all defensive but you don't win in the NBA I mean dude but you don't win MVP we got somebody that's doing I got the assist I got the rebound I got the score my team is the best

record and they're like yeah, you don't win We're just in a generation where you know, they don't want her to have it all so question for you guys What's an award you deserved that you didn't win? ACC player of the year We're your sophomore junior sophomore year. Okay, who won the award? Julius Hodge. Oh, okay. I led the ACC in votes. Led the ACC in scoring. And it was by word of mouth that a reason I didn't win is because my own coach didn't vote. But I don't know how the voting works.

But that was just what I heard. Were you at the most votes in loss? Yes. What year? How? 2004. How does that happen? That's the question we was asking.

How did I? I was the vote. I was the leading vote getter, and I lost. What's an award you deserve that you didn't win? An award that I... Could be any point in life. Rec League MVP. So I'm in the NBA. Hmm. Could be any point in life. Rec League MVP. So I'm in the NBA. I mean, to be honest,

if I didn't win it, I didn't deserve it, to be honest. That's how you feel. An award. I mean, I can say my second All-Star. I mean, I end up being an All-Star because Jermaine O'Neal was hurt. But, you know, that first initial All-Star nomination.

Like guaranteed. Right? A guaranteed one, yes. You know, I'm averaging 29. I'm fourth in the league in scoring. My team is fifth, right? And I get pushed out somehow. Were you salty?

Hell yeah. Okay. What? I hate Doc to Hell yeah. Okay. What? I hate Doc to this day. Oh. That was a vote? Huh? All of them.

All of them. They start going on that Detroit Pistons and, you know, it's about winning. Okay, cool. It's about winning. I'm fifth. You know, Paul Pierce's team is last. Damn near last. Chris Bott's team is damn near last.

And they both get in. How? Like, I don't give a fuck what position at this point. You're saying it's about winning. If their team is last, or 13, you cannot put them in if this is the standard. I don't care about the position. Was both of them

previous All-Stars? CB and Paul Pierce previously? Because sometimes it's like, we're going to give them the consecutive opportunity. No, CB, that was his first. Paul Pierce, yes, he was consecutive. That would have been my consecutive too. So, Brandon, what's an award you feel like you deserve that you didn't win?

I didn't get Gatorade Player of the Year and USA Today. I should have got all the top awards in high school my senior year. Who ended up winning those awards? I think it was Samardo Samuels. Wow. And I think they gave it, because it was in Virginia, I think they gave it to Ed Davis, because I was in Virginia. They didn't look at you as an official Virginia?

I guess, yeah. And Rashad, to your point, not getting ACC Player of the hear that you're you did average more points per game to do this I just think you're at 20 points per game He was at 18. Mm-hmm. That's usually Whose team was better? I was woof and we beat them both times Well Lord the fucking point of voting man, well everything is Jackie Both times. Man. Oh, Lord. What's the fucking point of voting, man?

Everything is janky. There's no point of voting. It's like... Just say, yo, this is what we like. Yeah. And this is what we want. Boys, boys, you just got to do better, man. Nah, man.

You can say that. There you go. Would you have told yourself that? Oh, 100%. Like, because the next year I was on demon time, but then I knew, like, I had a bunch of hating-ass niggas I had to defer to if we was going to win. But I was going for national player of the year after that. I'm like, oh, I got to do way more.

But they're saying that North Carolina State finished higher than you guys. Did they? They were 11-5 in conference. You guys were 8-8 in conference play. Conference play. That might happen. Might be. That might be why.

But on the subject of snubs, the NBA All-Star Reserves were announced last week. There were some notable snubs, including Trae Young, De'Aaron Fox, Sabonis, Harden, and even Rudy Gobert. Gil, number one team in the league. If you're talking about value and winning, I'm just telling you. I don't say nothing about no value and winning for no... What? Sacre bleu. He said at his Hall of Fame speech, he'll talk about all the extra vacation that he got

He should be black. He said is what? Go to his Hall of Fame speech you before you proceed the Olympics are in France this year Okay, all the things Rudy Rudy go beer The Olympics are in France this year I Can't support you, Rudy. Nah. You're not putting up them type of numbers. But you're solid.

You're a solid, you're a solid big. Rudy? Rudy's solid. I like Rudy. He's a solid big. Oh, you can't ever forgive him. For what? That COVID shit.

Patient zero? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That was different. That was different. Playing around. You fucked everything up. Yeah, we thought Donovan Mitchell was going to die bro. He was hot. He was like. Three-time defensive player of the year though.

Two-time All-NBA, second and 13. French. French is hot now Gil. But let's talk about Trey. Trey has the most 25 post point per game seasons without being named an All-Star in NBA history. Trey also had the second most fan votes. We talked about this last week. The All-Star game is supposed to be for the fans. Trey had the second most fan votes among Eastern Conference guards, finished sixth in both the player and media vote. So we have a mostly fan vote.

Out of six. I mean, out of how many? Six? What do you mean? He ranked six, right? I think there was more than. You sure? We could double check and verify. But I'm just saying players. Trey and the player in media vote, I think there was more than six. Okay, he ranked six, but out of how many? Seven? Six? Five? It was like, yeah, we're going to put him under there. So while we're waiting for that info,

we have a Mostly Fans question from underdog fantasy user Jackson Bernard. What's up, Gibbs Arena fam? I want to know what you think Trae Young can do to change his perception in the league and if you think he's been snubbed from the All-Star the last two years. Appreciate y'all. So what can Trae Young do to change his perception in the league and if you think he's been snubbed from the All-Star the last two years. Appreciate y'all. So what can Trey Young do to change his perception in the league and do you think he's been snubbed two years in a row now? At this point, because they changed the system.

They changed the system that goes against him as a player. Last year and the previous years, he didn't get voted in, so he had to rely on the coaches to vote him in. For the first time in his career, he got that all waved off because he got voted in by the fans, safe. But they have a new thing in play where Oh Players and Media gets 50% of the votes. So now he has to deal with the people who actually don't like them. Yep, right

So players don't like them. They rank him last at everything. Anyway, he overrated? They call him overrated. The coaches don't like him. So what ends up happening is this is a disadvantage for a player like that. Not because he's overrated, because of how the game is played. I'm busting your ass. I'm talking shit. You don't like it. So now you have to vote.

And when you see my name, you're going to think about the 45, the 50 I gave on you and you're going to be like, nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. I will never, I will never bet him in. I'm never going to vote him in. Because I'm playing basketball? Yeah. That's my... You're playing basketball and you're talking trash, right? So you know how players

do. Yeah, I mean, but... We want you to... You trash. You ain't that good. Get this bum ass nigga off me. You ain't that good. Get this bum-ass nigga off me. Now you have a vote. I mean, okay, yeah.

I mean, you are. Like, shit. But I'm just saying, this is what I'm out here to do. Between the lines. Like, you judging somebody off how they eat and how they, like, you know, are able to perform. So I got to, and I'm busting your ass. So now I got to sit back and not be an all-star because you can't fuck with me. That's what a hater do, right?

That's what a hater does. A hater hates on the fact that you busting their ass. I mean, what the fuck? That's why I said this is horrible for players like somebody like Trey Young because now you got your celebrity-ism up, your popularity up to be voted by the fans, right? Now they throw in this curveball, which means you were second in fan vote, which normally for the last past 50-something years, that's an all-star, right? Boom, you made it. Now they're saying, well, that's not good enough. Let's throw a little curveball, and we're going to add in players.

And I know he was like, oh my god Yeah Yeah, put coaches Hell no, I'm not so now you have a player who was voted in who's averaging 20-something He don't he gets pushed out of the popularity vote and then obviously, you know, the coaches themselves is not gonna vote for him So then let's ask your question. So he gets snubbed, the All-Star gets snubbed out of the All-Star game. Does he

deserve it over Dame? Yeah, he was voted in over Dame. Okay. By the fans. By the fans. But not the players. No, no, no, no, no. Take off last year. Everybody else before me, the starters were fan votes, period. So if Dame don't come over to the East, who gets that spot?

It don't matter about who comes to the East. It don't matter. He won it from fan votes anyway. So if this was just like last year. Even if this was the same vote. If this was the same vote. If this was the same vote and Dame doesn't come. So no Dame, it probably would have been Jalen Brunson.

Brunson. They would have put Brunson in. Are we sure about that? Yes, because the players like Brunson. And the media like Brunson. Yeah, Brunson and Dame would have put Brunson in. Are we sure about that? Yes, because the players like Brunson and the media like Brunson. Brunson and Dame had a tiebreaker. Dame got in because I think he was higher in fan voting. That's what I'm saying. What about Maxie?

No, I'm just talking... Because all three of their numbers are all similar. No, but what I'm saying is 50%. Think about how much 50% is really nothing. So if I'm ranking one in front of you here, and then you rank two by the media and two by the players, and you're third, you're gonna beat me.

Right, so everyone likes Brunson, right? All the players, he's quiet, he doesn't say anything, so when you see his name, he doesn't irritate you, right? And then, you know, the media, he's quiet, you know, so he's gonna rate higher between those two entities over Trey. Trey's going to have to really kiss ass. Brunson-

Hey man, good game, I'm sorry. That's what he's going to have to end up doing to get back in players good graces. He has to be quiet, play the political game, exactly. Brunson a star, bigger market. Exactly. No, if he was a bigger market, He would have been starting in the first place Wait, he would have been fan voted in look it was like New York not bigger than Atlanta girl. Yeah. Yes and a good story I saw yes, so why isn't he van voted in if it was such a big market and they like them

But they've got more bars look at that what I'm saying is what you're saying it means something But it doesn't really mean the whole picture If he was in the bigger market and his fans really supported him and he was that popular, then he would have been voted in over Trae Young anyway. But I trumped that. I trumped that with Halliburton. Small market. If he stays in Sacramento, which they had to make a tough decision.

We got two players. If he stays in Sac, he doesn't become a starter in the All-Star game, regardless of his performances and all that. He goes to Indiana in the East. Now, Dame leaves Portland. Wes never was getting no same thing, same treatment Trey Young was getting. You come to the East, all of a sudden, both of you guys go to the starting position. You're both starters.

So now who gets pushed back even further than what they was pushed back in before? Well, Brunson wasn't even there. He was on the West. I mean, he was in Dallas. Dallas West, right? So he's in the West. So Brunson comes to the East, picks up his production. Trey Young is sitting back like, I've been over here doing this shit since I got here.

Maxie just got here. Halliburton, Dame, all of these guys are still being pushed in front of me. What the fuck do I do? Because these guys ain't doing what I'm doing based on how long I've been here. And the numbers that I'm putting up. So y'all all came to the East and now it's smooth

sailing for y'all. Then you look at the West and it's like, Luka, SGA, Steph gets pushed out. Probably most agree. After two good players, three good players leave the West, Darren Fox makes the reserve. So it's

like, what are the metrics when you talk about how far motherfuckers get pushed back with how much talent that's actually there in the club? But that's what I'm saying. When you're saying pushed out, they're not being pushed out because of a talent. They got pushed out because of a trick that got put in. Steph was voted in as a starter, period. Trey was voted in as a starter.

Now, the only problem I have with this is you're trying to correct the past. You're trying to correct stuff like Magic Johnson, right, wasn't playing. Right, he retired and the fans voted him in. Right, you know, Michael Jordan broke his foot. Right, he got voted in. The favoritism. You know, Kobe, right, was coming off the bench.

He got voted in. Right, Vince Carter. Yao and Vince. Yeah, Vince Carter missed the whole, damn near whole season. He got voted in. Grant Hill. Right?

So you're trying to correct this. Well, then do it the correct way. Whatever the fans vote, if there's a guy on the team that got voted in, right, and he is not playing like an all-star, that's when the media and player vote over exceeds it, right? Then you can say, all right, well, you know,

let's say Gilbert Arenas only played six games this year, but he's a starter. Now those two entity votes kick in to put in the real starter. Like an alternative vote. An alternative vote. Keep the fan voting for the starters the way it is, and now if there's any situation

where we're going to see this year Julius Randle and B probably be out. No, but like if there's a guy who's starting in, and let's just say he's only played 10 games and he's trying to come back All-Star weekend. Yeah. Well, because you only have 10 games, you're not a real All-Star. So we're going to remove you with these two entities. Okay. That's the fair way to do it You can't you can't just say I'm averaging 27 and 10 the the media. I mean the

Fans love my performance and then you decide in your own metrics That you want to sub me out because you don't like me personally. Mm-hmm. What's the fucking point then? Mm-hmm So in other all-star news doc rivers will be coaching the e-squad this nigga and offered these thoughts after it was announced That is ridiculously bad it really is Well, he's gonna get some money. That's for sure entering You know, it's one of these quirky things. I think there should be a rule somehow that someone else does it

other than me. Maybe I'll send my staff and I'll go on vacation. I'm going to run that by Adam Silver. I think he's, you know, Adam's a good man. I think he'll understand. Wow, Doc. Despite whatever your opinions are about Doc Rivers, can we just acknowledge that the I think he's a he's you know Adams a good man. I think you'll understand Wow doc Despite whatever your opinions are about doc rivers. Can we just acknowledge that the hairline through all these years Wow, still shine still still floss

That's the size holding strong the surgery, but that's me. That's a tattoo The tattoo man, that's all right got the permaline. It's the tattoo, man. You got the permaline? Stop it. So if you're Adrian Griffin, what you telling Doc when he tries to give you the all-star bonus in the all-star ring? Fade. Fade?

Fade. Tomorrow I'm going on vacation. Motherfucker, you just came back from vacation. You was fucking sitting on the sideline this whole fucking time. Laughing and shit. I don't like none of that snickering shit when you fucking sabotage the whole plan. The key king, as they say?

Shit. The problem is that we said it last month that this was going to happen. I mean, last week when he got traded, this was going to happen. You have a guy that he has the best record, right? He's number two. So you can't use Boston because he won it last year, right? He was the coach last year, so he can't be back-to-back coaches, which means that Griffin was the coach of the All-Star game, right? And coach of the year, because Griffin was new, he was going to be coach of the year also.

You think... What are you talking about? The number two right now. The number two... But Bucks were number one last year, so if you tell... Coach, it's coach. I'm saying why you... Not team.

Coach of the year, if the team's performance... This is his first... But I'm saying adding Dame to this roster, on paper, you look like Adding Dame to this roster On paper You look like You've improved this roster Significantly If you're not

Finishing the first again Or at least replicating What you did in the previous season How would you This is my first year As a coach This is my first year As a coach

So when we look at the metrics I will have the biggest Winning percentage Out of any coach That year Why not like Chris Finch If the Timberwolves Hold where they're at

Where were they last year It could be him too Yeah It just seems like Chris Fincher if the Timberwolves hold where they're at. Where were they last year? It could be him, too Yeah, it just seems like But the metrics of the comparison is what he's saying is like send your what's your winning percentage? Yeah, right. So if his winning percentage from last year's even though they're number 120 20% versus mine Well, you know it was gonna be you know, 60 something percent So like Brad Stevens when he came in and he got coach of the year Mm-hmm like his it was because he was a new coach and they were building up up into that be an all-star coach back-to-back No, can be right there. Yeah, you know, which which is sucks like which it was real

Yeah, which which is it's stupid because you're you're you're You're you're taking credit in a sense like oh oh, he's going to get some money. He's going to get some. That's his anyway. That's his anyway, sir. By the time you came in, he was guaranteed that coach. So you're not doing him no favor by saying he's going to get some money.

He's going to get. No. He's going to get. No. You shouldn't even be there. He should be allowed to go in there and coach that team. Get my team back. He should be there. That should be his. That's his award.

That's not your award. I need to go on vacation. You hear that shit? How about sit your monkey ass at home and figure out what the fucking problem is with your team? Learn your team. You just got there a week ago. This is a time you have fucking seven days to actually look at film and understand your players, understand your rotations. Because before you got there, Dan was playing the whole 12 minutes. That's what he was accustomed to. Now you sub him out at the three minute mark.

So that's something he has to really adjust to. Learn your system. Learn what made them successful before your ass got there, because they were successful before you got there. Because I know one thing that hasn't, that's changed, the defense hasn't. Same defense, right? Same fuck-ups. The only thing that's changed is the offense is worse.

Oh, y'all were scoring 124. What you're scoring now? Under Doc. So, Rivers, one and three since taking over the Bucs. Five games behind the Celtics were first in the East. They played the Jazz last night. Blew a 19-point lead. Were outscored 40-13 in the fourth quarter.

Yeah. Tell them about Doc. What has the team been averaging since Doc has been there? Let's see those three. Four games. Yeah, what is those four games? Last four games. I guarantee you it won't be 124

what they were scoring before yeah they've only uh surpassed like their highest scoring total is 129 uh 107 116 129 and 108 so it's been a bit of a so what does that average about one what 112 see that's what see i said it i, as people talked about the Bucs defense, they didn't talk about the Bucs offense. 115 points per game. So he's averaging 115 points. So he's averaging exactly what they averaged last year. They were at 124, I believe.

They were at 124. So he's nine points worse as the coach, which now doesn't offset the defense that they gave up. So they was giving up 113, 116. 116 to 124. So that's why I so they was giving up 113 116 116 the 124 So that's why I said they were two points better as a team last year now you're coming in and You're changing the offense and if you're slowing them down

Now they can't even keep up with Who they were so they're a worse team under you But who do you blame? I blame... If the players asked for this? No, I blame the upper management because y'all made the deal. Then who asked for it? We don't know.

We don't know who asked. We can't say who asked for it. We could say it ain't had nothing to do with Adrian. I can tell you this. No, for sure it didn't have nothing to do with Adrian. That's what I'm saying. So if it didn't have nothing to do with Adrian... Adrian!

But that's what I'm saying. We can't tell... This should be a rule That's what I'm saying. So if it didn't have nothing to do with Adrian. Adrian. But that's what I'm saying. We can't tell. This should be a rule. This should be a rule. NBA rule. If someone is a consultant for a team, they shouldn't be allowed to get a job. Okay. They got to stay in that position.

But why would you make that a rule, though? Tampering. It's tampering. that a rule, though? Tampering. It's tampering. They're consulting. It's tampering. They work for the team. It's still tampering. But if he can get the job, you can literally tell him shit. I'm consulting because you're not the professional, right?

Yeah. So you hired me to consult. And you're asking me about the coach. And I'm a coach. And that's the job I want. Yes. I want a coaching job. I don't want,

I don't want this. I don't want to be an announcer. I want to be a coach. So I'm still mentally an active coach, which means I get to poison the well. Yeah, but that's on the bucks for letting that happen, right? I'm just saying,

if they give Doc that opportunity, I would say if you work as a consultant with the team, you shouldn't be able to have a job in the media because now it feels like you're able to manipulate that side of it. But it's the same. I'm a consultant, so I get to manipulate all of it. Yeah, but that's my point.

But if I'm just a consultant, I shouldn't be able to broadcast games for ESPN now and be able to use my position to... It's the same thing, but it's the same poison. I get to go in there and say yeah You know Adrian's not doing such a very good job with the same It looks like that the the players are not respecting them like they're losing hope I get to do that because I want his job So I'm working both angles here, but you got to pick a side once

I if the Bucks hire you to be a consultant Then you could tell whatever the hell you want to tell them right whatever you're doing behind the scenes trying to that that shit Goes on all the time in multiple professions. But you shouldn't be able to use now your position in the media, is what I'm saying, to be able to now get that out publicly. But it's creating also favoritism for you to get the position. Yeah, for sure. Because you're saying certain things that make sense to the actual audience.

That's like, yeah, man, they're just not getting back on defense very well. Their rotation is just bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. This is coming from an NBA championship post. Yeah, for sure.'re just not getting back on defense very well. Their rotation is just bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. This is coming from an NBA championship coach. Yeah, for sure. That's saying some shit. But no one knows he's consulting for the guy he's talking about. Exactly. That's my point.

So it's like that just looks bad. Like you said, poisoning the well and hiding it. Like, yeah, I'm spiking the juice. You know what I'm saying? Poisoning the well. That was a bar. Right. Poisoning the well and I'm giving you the water.

Hey, yeah. Man, have fun. And that's what it really is because if I'm the consultant But I want the job am I actually giving you the best information? No, I'm not giving you the best Information because I want that job. So that means I'm gonna make it make sense For me versus I'm not gonna ever say he's doing good I'm not gonna say hey, you guys are trying to replace them. Are you crazy? They're 30 and 13 right now They're doing very well Think about if I was a consultant for sure if I'm the console if I was a consultant there and they're like, oh wait Our defense is better. I'm like, hold on slow down

Stop listening to goddamn media Right now we're plus two than last year. That means this team is better Our offense is ranked number two, which was ranked number 15 last year. Yeah, we was fourth in defense We were this is where we are but overall we're a better team Pump your brakes Versus yeah, you know defense is horrible, you know, cuz you know when I when I coached, you know, the Celtics, you know, this is what I did, this is what I did. And you over here like, that makes more sense. That's it. But what you just say, when I, that means I want the credit for the consultation, which you don't get credit for.

For sure. Because I'm giving you tidbits just helping everything run smoothly. And it's coming from me, and no one knows it. But I got to sit behind this microphone and act like you the great coach when I'm giving you all the tidbits. Brandon, a question for you. Obviously, you're a resident Bucs fan. If you're Adrian Griffin and the Bucs try to bring on Doc as a consultant, are you telling them, I'm not rolling with that?

Or are you just saying, I'm first year coach, look, look? No, I just feel like it was like some backstabbing. Just look backstabbing. And know, just look backstabbing. And, you know, the way it's going right now, you got to be careful. You know, making moves like this when your team was already on the rise with a new coach and you wanted change

to bring this in during the middle of the season, you know, it can really backfire on you. So, you know, you just got to be careful. Do we give them time? Nah. Give who time? Nah. The Bucs?

Nah. Time to do what? They we give them time? Nah. Give who time? Nah. The Bucs. Nah. Time to do what? They're done. They're done. Yeah. They're done. Put a fork in them. Black History Month has barely even started.

Come on, we already know. We already know, man. We already know. Doc is going to be the all-star coach, so let's all take the lower. Damn. All take the lower. We know who ain't winning that all star game. Too much pressure on the line

for Doc. They losing. Vote West. West. Vote West. Damn. Take all lowers. If you're using underdog fantasy, which you should do and use promo code Gil when you sign up. So you think this move the Bucks made is probably going to fuck them up the next

couple years? Do you see them winning it under Doc, though? No. No. Okay. Coming out of the East? Okay, so look. Do they get to the finals? Like with a new coach, right, you don't know what he's good at yet. Right. Right? You don't understand. When people people say well, he don't have any experience I true he's zero his experience in the playoffs is zero right now, right? I know Doc's experience, right? I know what it looks like worst coach in

the playoff in Game tight situations. He's last. Well, if he's last, I mean, the only way I know he's failing if he gets worse than him. Other than that, other than that, he can't be last, so he's naturally going to be a better situational coach than him in theory.

So I'm going to go with this person to see what he does in those type situations. He might be the best coach for us in those tight situations. He might be the best coach for us in game sevens. We have to put him under that pressure first. We're just assuming because he doesn't have any knowledge that he's going to crack under pressure. We do not know.

We didn't know Ty Lue was going to be a great coach until he got the job and then the playoffs came and he excelled yep right he didn't have any experience but he excelled when it mattered and that's what gave him the notches and this is a good coach yeah you have to you have to give people that chance and right now 30 and 13 30 and 13 you think you think Adrian will get another opportunity? Given the fact that no one's really saying why. They're currently 33 and 17, just to update you on that. No, no, no, I don't give a shit what they are now. 30 and 13 with Adrian Griffin. We know what they were when Adrian was there, 30 and 13.

In Joe Prunty. We know what they were. So that's his only metric for another job is 30 and 13. You know, this is who I coached. Are you going to give him another opportunity? He should. Right now, his record is 30 and 13. That's his record. I think he's deserving another opportunity, but based on the way things played out this season, do you think now? Unless there's something that we haven't heard, like there's some damage going on, there's some foul play and things that he did. Which we haven't heard, like there's some damage going on, there's some foul play and things that he did.

Which we haven't heard anything. You know, other than that, I mean, if it's just that the players didn't like his schemes. Or his style of coaching. Or his style of coaching and he's 30 and 13, fuck what you're talking about.

Right. I can use you. Whatever pissed him off because if they're happy now and they're losing, then something's mentally wrong with them. So he can use that on his resume, no, it was them. Yeah, I mean, you know.

We was like, who am I with you? Because they, hey. San Antonio Spurs, y'all need to be calling around. They out here dancing. They out here dancing and giggling shit, losing in games. So obviously they're happier in this situation to have a coach that they can relate to that doesn't demand anything and they're losing and they're fine. Well, I was demanding winning.

I was demanding we do this extra stuff. So if you're looking for a coach who demands, you know, players to be great and take accountability, then obviously, yes, he should get another chance. Facts. That remains to be seen. We'll also see how the Bucs play out. But go ahead and download the Underdog Fantasy app,

All-Star Weekend coming up very soon. Go all lower on the East, all lower. You know, like the ideal of Giannis didn't like him. Jordan didn't like Kraus, but they won six rings. Right? Because most of the time, what we like in life might not be the best for us. Right. I love some fucking soda. I love some soda, some pizza. I love it.. Right. I love some fucking soda.

I love some soda, some pizza. I love it. Very delicious. I love it. Very delicious. I don't mean it's good for me. So the person who's telling me that I need to eat healthy, naturally I'm not going to like them, right? Because what I want is this. What you're trying to give me for me to live is this.

And I don't want this because I want this. So I'm saying, hey, Giannis, get back on defense. Giannis playing the post. Giannis pass the ball. Stop trying to go forward. Get him. And you don't like that, then it's you, not me. Accountability. You're stuck in the ways that you're stuck in. Guard the ball. When we talk about a player not liking a coach, we never ask the player, why don't you like him? Hey Shaq, you didn't like, what's the name, because of what? Because they wanted to run the offense through Dwayne Wade now versus you. Hey, why don't you like this person?

Oh, because he was taking the ball out of my hand, I don't like that. So if a player don't like the coach, it's usually more because the coach is trying to make him do something different. But there's also a difference between liking the coach and respecting the coach. Because if you know basketball, like we all know basketball, a coach demands certain excellence out of you, regardless of if you like the way he's delivering it. If it's right, you go home and you have to really, like, marinate on the fact that, yo, you know what?

He right. He telling me to dive on a loose ball If you look in the footage you like I could have got that but I'm trying to pick it up You know, I'm trying to do it my way. Mm-hmm. And that's why they got the ball. They laid it up We lost the game by two. So all the accountability comes to like I don't like him I don't like his approach to it, but I got to respect it because we've been winning this way And if we're losing and I don't like them, that's a whole different metric.

But if I don't like them and we're winning, I got to suck it up and say, you know what? He right. I need to guard the ball. I need to be in help side. I need to talk on defense. I need to stop acting like a prima donna. And that's a lot of things that a lot of guys don't want to face

is the fact that criticism and constructive criticism is one of the key components of coaching. And as a leader and as a good player, you got to be able to be a coachable, constructive critic of yourself before the coach. Because when he starts giving you that energy,

if you can't take it internally, you're going to crash out. You would think, though, that they would want that after winning it, right? After you win it, you would think, okay, how do we get back to this point? But then you got rid of Bullhoser. Yeah, but I'm saying, what was he like? What's the difference? I'm sure he was telling y'all to do this and everybody was doing everything he said. And we didn't even hear about why he got fired.

Well, it's no different than when everybody got mad at me because I said, Giannis needs to get in the post. Embiid needs to do this. And people say, well, he's a champion. He's an MVP. What does he need to do? Get better. Right? But you want to stand on what you want to stand on

because you want it this way. Yeah, you want it this way. Right? You want it this way. And to win the next one, you have to take another road, right? You took this road, you won. To get to the next championship,

you have to do it another way. And another way is not gonna be, so it might be in the post now. And it might, and that's what the, you know, yeah, I didn't win a championship, but I'm watching what the greats did, and you're watching, okay, oh, okay, so, you know, he won it driving this year, the next year he went to the, you know, yeah, I didn't win a championship, but I'm watching what the greats did. And you're watching, okay, oh, okay. So, you know, he won it driving this year.

The next year he went to the, you know, what's it in this year? He started passing the ball a little bit more and won it. So he won three championships all three different ways. Yep. Right? So, you know, when a coach says, hey, hey, hey, we need to, yeah, you're a champion, you're an MVP, but we need to add more to the game. If you're stuck in what your accolades tell you you are then you're never gonna change Yeah, there's gonna be a point where in beat is gonna have to change this game because the style that you're playing might not be

Winning the championship worthy so you might have to say well and beat I know you like facing up You're gonna have a sturdy five, but if you get in the post and average 30 We got this and he did change it because last if you get in the post an average 30, we got this shit. And he did change it, because last year it was more in the post. Then we started doubling him this year. Now he changed it to the mid post where you can't double me as much. It's all face up. Now it's like, okay, how do we mitigate

him from the face up? We got to deny him the ball, make him catch it somewhere else. Now, how do you adjust, Joel? We go more pick and roll, pick and slides, whatever. You know what I'm saying? It's an adjustment. So speaking of adjusting, let's talk about Embiid a little bit. Sixers suffered a huge blow when it was announced that reigning MEP Joel Embiid will be out indefinitely.

Embiid will need surgery to address an injury to the lateral meniscus in his left knee. Woj was first to report the information. I'm sure he was. I'm just saying, you know. You feel like somebody knew before. He was the first one to drop the dime. They got the dime, dropped it in the line, reported.

But he will undergo a procedure. They kept saying procedure. It's a surgery this week to repair a left meniscus injury. Recovery timeline expected after procedure, but expectation is that he will miss an extended period of time. So the timeline is uncertain if it's just a partial trim then the recovery time is estimated at four to six

weeks if Embiid needs a full repair of his aniscus that timeline extends to the four to six month range but according to Woads of Doors and Clothes on Embiid returning this season but the timeline will be clear after the surgery so who really knows what the fuck is going on but before the Embiid injury Embiid returning this season, but the timeline will be clearer after the surgery, so who really knows what the fuck is going on. But before the injury, Embiid was poised to win a second straight MVP, but it's all but certain he will be ineligible for MVP, All-NBA, and any other postseason award under the league's new player participation policy. So, Rashad, I'll start with you. Should Embiid shut it down for the season

or try to make a comeback for the playoffs?? Let's say best-case scenario, he's out four to eight weeks, looking to come back at some point late March, early April. If he can come back, you know, more power to him. But I think everyone knows that this is something that he should take into consideration for long-term. So shut it down. Wait for next year. You know what I'm saying?

You had a good run, good year. And I think, you know, piggybacking on what Charles Barkley was saying, it's like, sometimes you have injuries.

You know what I'm saying? The 65 game is a new rule they put in and then you got injured past the threshold of that number. It's unfortunate because if that number

is not there and you still got injured for a certain period of time It's gonna be unfair for the guy who didn't get injured and that's putting up equal numbers or whatever It's like oh just cuz you hurt you put up these numbers up until this point don't mean you automatically win the MVP So it's like for a guy like Shea or a guy like Ant or a guy like Brunson any of these guys It's like trying to put up numbers not necessarily trying to win the MVP, but they're just hooping and they're not injured. Yeah.

So it's like this dude get injured, he's out 25 games. It's like you don't just give it to him just because. I mean, and they don't really have a chance to really win it. So, I mean, you know, I would just get my body right, be healthy. Everybody know what he can do. So, I mean, it's not like they're favorites to win it all. Right. It's kind of like, you know, chilling.

It would just be for the MVP if he did. No, he can't win the MVP. It's over. Yeah. Like I said, it's over. So there's no point in coming back, right? I mean, I don't care if – you got to think about it as a player, right? We heard him say he didn't want to win the MVP.

Obviously, words in the media is different, right? We're going to say everything politically correct. His actions said otherwise. His actions said, shit, the time's ticking down. I got to collect these games, right? Because you put a number on it, it's an accolade, right? It's an incentive, right? And once incentives come into play, men are selfish.

People are selfish, right? You know, it doesn't, this has nothing about team anymore. Because if I was hurt and I'm lingering, why am I coming back now anyway? The only reason I'm coming back is because the incentive you just put in, right? Before, I would have got healthy enough to play for the team and then move forward. So with you, in a sense, forcing me to sit here

and think about team or self, I'm gonna think self every single time. Because it's self now. It's self of the MVP, the scoring champ, and first team, right? That is three entities that it is hard to get all together in one. So therefore, fuck the team. It's about me. So now that I can't get it, do you think that I'm going to get healthy and come back for us to win the championship? You think I'm going to be happy that these other people are going to win the awards I earned?

Losing the extra weight, getting in shape, everything I did, and I played 61 games. Because 61 games with what I was doing, that is a MVP still. Yep. Right? But now I can't win it, and, you know, Joker or Shea's going to get it. You know, first team is going to go to Joker. The scoring title is going to go to Shea now or whoever.

I mean, Jokic now. I mean, Aluka. Aluka. So all my awards is about to go to foreign player in a sense, right? But it's gonna go to someone other than me, and I'm supposed to come into playoffs and think about team success, get the fuck out.

And we still might fall short as a team. I fight all the way back to just fall short, but this is going back to somebody made some kind of cryptic little tweet that's saying, all you podcasters, all of you, all of you. What are you talking about? No, no, no. LeBron James. No, no, no.

I'm just saying. I told you I'm not going to be a hater no more. But this man out here putting it on the line. Y'all ain't got nothing to say. And now he's really hurt. But that's exactly what you just said. Like, hey, man, if you out here and you are hurt and you're playing hurt

and it can contribute to your overall injury because you're trying to hit this mark, to me it's like, yo, what the fuck? No, no, no, but in a sense, Bron was right because whose fault is this? And when I say whose fault is this, think about where this started from originally. Who started player management?

The Pop. Say that again? Popovich. Popovich. Is he a player? No. No, no, no. Right. He's a coach. And what other position does he have? About front office. Front office.

So he gets to make the decision. When you come to the game and he's mad at the NBA because the NBA cheated him or something. He felt he got cheated. And no, no, no. You go home, you go home, you go home. We're going to send a private jet. Fuck the TNT, fuck them. If they wanted this, they could have put us in the finals, but they didn't.

So you guys go home. Every time we on TV, we're going to send you home. I remember that. That's not the players deciding to do that. That's him and the coaches. So what ends up happening is you're seeing the success of him resting his players. So monkey see monkey doing the NBA. So the other coaches and the other general managers upper management decide

they're gonna do the same thing right how many players have you seen when we play decided to come into the game and say yeah I'm not gonna play my rest I'm hurt yeah you know I'm hurt you don't know we won't we want to compete we want to do the things like I can get buckets against him. That's what we do as players. We're hurt all year long, and we're playing through it. But if this was a real thing and players didn't want to play, have you heard any coach say this?

Well, I don't know why he didn't play today. I thought he was playing. I had him in a rotation, and just decided he ain't gonna play today Not never and the one thing we do do when we out there is if we show up and we like man You know you have all day to try to figure out. Mm-hmm. Can I go today? Mm-hmm You get there and they ask you how you feeling big fella shoot around. How you feeling? Yeah shoot around. How you feeling man? I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to'm going to try to make it. I'm 75. At 75, my 75 is other people's 200.

So I'm good at my 75. I'm going to try to go. Now you go out there right before the game, and you try to make them cut. And you're like, just not feeling it. Understand what LeBron's saying, and not to try and defend the media or anybody's reactions, but Embiid, Cooks, Joker, and Philly, 11 days later. They play back in Denver I think he he's out 15 minutes for the game So now okay, so so try to but you know reports where he couldn't jump Mike Malone I think was critical at that moment. There was a huge backlash

But I'm not worrying about Mike Malone Mike Malone is talking out of his ass anyway because he's talking on both sides of the field He's doing oh, yo, he didn't play and then you say well we seen him we seen him get hurt. So you out anyway, which is a contradiction. The problem is, he had a shoot-around, right? He went pregame. So that means they decided to shut him down. The player is not going in there shutting himself down. That's what the media is pushing. That's what LeBron is saying. So LeBron is saying that you guys are pushing the 65 game rule in, which means now me as the individual, when you try to sit me and say, we're going to rest you, I'm going to over exceed it now. Nah, nah, I'm good. I can feel, I'm good. I can feel better.

Woo, I feel better. You can also override it. Why would I want to? But you can. Why would I want to? I know, I know what you're saying. You see what I'm saying? I'm saying like if Joel know he can't

go, he not going to go. I'm going to say, nah, I ain't going to risk it. Yeah. But if I can, like that's what LeBron is saying, he's risking it by going anyway. So it's like, okay, so he's making the decision prior

to us thinking that the fucking organization is saying, you can go, big fella. No, so he's making the decision Prior to us thinking that the fucking organization is saying you can go big fella No, so the organization said don't go remember the organization has they have a hand on both sides of the field. Yes. Yeah, right. So look Think about us. I have to pay you extra money for all NBA. Yep, right And you're hurt and you want to play and I'm like, no, you ain't cleared yet. And games is ticking down. Rashad got two more games before he's ineligible. You. I'm ready to play.

It's an organization decision. I'm ready to play. No, no, no, no, no. You ain't ready to play. I see what you're saying. How long before you say, oh, hell no. Fuck that. I'm ready to go.

And you're going to go out there any damn way. And that's what ends up happening where you know you're probably not ready because there's a threshold now where there wasn't before. The player is going to over exceed when you're trying to sit him down. So now, Hallenburton and Joel Embiid is doing the opposite of what

the coaches want. But we're pretending that the players is wrestling themselves when you know the organization put this out here. So now the organization has a play on both sides of the field, and that's not right. But that's what you continue to try to let the fans know, that when there's money on the line, like a $41 million for Halliburton, we don't know how much is on the line for Joel, but when that money's on the line, and they say, look, this threshold is going to be met one way or the other, but the only way we

stop it is if we tell him, you're not going tonight. You're good. We're going to shut you down. And if he actually out there like, no, I'm ready. I'm ready for this matchup tonight. I've been waiting for this. No, no, no, no, no. Not tonight. And this is something that the league is looking for because it's a viewership type of thing. We got money on the line. It's like, no, no, no, we got more money on this other side. But I get to save that $41 million to your guys' point because I asked all of you if you were in Halliburton's position

and you were a little hurt, but it was $41 on the line. You're going to get dressed out there and play, right? Yeah, I'm going to hop around, but that's the thing. You know how they said, what did they say, Joel Embiid? They said what? Four to six weeks. Right? Could be four to six weeks.

Could be four to six months. Four to six months. It's four to six months. I don't want him coming back thinking he can play. That's crazy. Four to six months. I don't want you to win no awards. Shut it down.

But at the end of the day, this is the problem with it. As selfish as the owners and the general managers, as selfish as they're thinking, they do not see what's coming. What's coming is you have 15 all NBA players, right? No matter how many games Joel Embiid played, if Joel Embiid played 50-51, how he played averaging 35 and 12, he would still make an all-NBA team. He would still make one of these teams, period. Most likely first team. Worst case scenario, second team.

Now, if he's not in there, so usually Embiid, Jokic, they're going to be first seed, second seed, and then whoever the third best now is going to be third team. Well, if Jokic and Embiid, because of the threshold, doesn't get

off, doesn't get on that team, one and two is done. Third goes to first place. Someone who wasn't even thought of goes to second place. Someone who ain't even thought of goes to second place. Someone who ain't even in the atmosphere of making it comes into third place. That's crazy.

Which means now mediocre players, average players, will make the all-NBA team and they become a whole different metric. Max player. Give me my bag. Give me my All-NBA bag, please. Resume.

That's what they see that's not coming. That if you look at the top 15, the All-NBA players, there's going to be five. Every year, there's about four to five players who won't make the 65 game. So take those five out. Move everybody up. now you're taking five people who's not on this

Yeah list and you're gonna put them in which means now their value just went from whatever it was said we were okay with To maxed out who's who else's value goes up though if those players are on teams like Orlando or Chicago that are right now, low value, now you got, oh, we got a max player that's in all NBA. We use that as a part of our resume. We're fast tracking younger stars. No. Yeah.

Because the value goes up if you're talking about like if you're moving these guys who are all NBA out and you're bringing in no-namers in, these no-namers are now becoming max players and that value for the organization as a whole goes up. Goes down. It goes up. No, I don't give a shit. If you're Orlando, you're Orlando. The problem now is-

Now we're- No, I'm Ben Chero, but he would be an All-NBA player anyway, a type of player anyway, because that's who he is. What happens is you're maxing out a guy. Let's say, let's say Tyler Hero. Let's say Wagner. I mean Wagner, Wagner. France Wagner. Wagner.

Wagner. Wagner. Okay, so it's Wagner, right? He gets in. Right now he's what? He's worth. What is he really worth? About $100, $200 million?

No, about $140. $140. So you're happy with 140, right? You're happy paying him 140. Now all these people are missed out, and then he gets put in, and now he's asking you for 300 million. Does your value go up on a player that's worth 140? No, you're overpaying for something you would never get to trade. Yeah.

Because he's now worth the same as Greek the Freak. And ooh, I'm not trading you. But just because he's asking for it don't mean we pay him for that. It don't matter. We can use that leverage of value to trade him. No. Because we don't have to pay him. We're not paying him what he asking for.

We're just showing what he may be worth. But what I'm saying is think about it. His tag because of the All-N, puts him in a whole other category. So the 140 automatically bumps up to 250, 275, 300. Now, if you pay him, how are you getting rid of that? Because he's still Vaughn Wagner.

We got him and Banchero. But now you're paying him more than Banchero. Banchero. Banchero. Banchero. Now you're paying him the same as your number one option. He'schero. Benchero. Now you're paying him the same as your number one option. He's number two because he slipped in. Now you're talking about between these two players, you're

worth, your team, now you have a value, like you're paying $500 million to these two guys when one is only worth $140. So instead of being $350, now you're $500 and you can never trade this player. No one is ever going to give you the value at 300.

That goes back to- I'm never going to give you- because he's going to be worth Luka and NB, so you're ever going to trade him for NB? No. Let's go back to the Supersonics. It's like how the Supersonics was with Ray and Rashard Lewis. They both were valuable pieces, but Rashard Lewis's value came up because he started to increase his award. He got in to got into certain level and it's like oh now you got these two pieces But he got I think didn't he get like 400 he got like 200 million

He got like super like no he was not he was one of the big he was one of the big contracts for 40 million He got 40 something million in Seattle. Yeah, he got his yeah Yeah, he was a to remember he got drafted as a second rounder and his first contract was $40 million and then I think after that he got the big six year $118 million. $118, it was the $100, yeah. So that was when the $100 was being like, yo, you're throwing around $100 million. So him and Ray- But he was by himself when that happened.

No, Ray was there. Not when he got the $118. Ray was there. It he got the hundred Yeah, Dean. Mm-hmm. Ray was there it was both of them and that's why it was it was difficult to trade the pieces off when it was ready to get rid of Them too because he was still locked into that deal. Mm-hmm because of the value went up of course for yeah And then Seattle itself is like well, what do we do to bring someone in you can't bring nobody in but guess what? They ended up doing drafting Kevin Durant.

But that's exactly what I'm saying. You're paying Rashad Lewis because this person out, you're overpaying him because he gets into a category and you can't move it now. And that's what I'm saying. That's what I said. It's going to mess up organizations.

That's what I'm saying. If somehow Tobias Harris gets in, all NBA and his contract's up, his value just went up because of this game that they're taking out the real all NBA players, putting everybody else in.

Now he's worth 200-something million. And you sitting here like, I can't pay you this. But that is his value now. And if you pay him that, you're screwed. So basically, we're going to have some issues in the coming years with the CBA and this year going good I have a lockout because they're having a lockout because you're basically creating Fugazi stars

Right and that's not gonna really sit like the average fan like not gonna give a shit if this dude who was on the fringe Now makes all NBA team. I still look at him as that same dude I don't look at him got next year. Yeah, because he probably won't I still look at him as that same dude who was on the... I don't look at him... You got next year. But I look at him as, oh, this dude is just here because Embiid didn't fucking make the game in him, not because he belonged on the list. Yeah, or Embiid or two other players that was in his position, and they get moved out, and then this person gets in.

So what ends up happening is you're paying the third or fourth person in that position to... Max money. Top dollar. That's nasty hoops. so that's what I said it's gonna screw the dream come true for the name you mean I just moved up you're gonna be like oh wait a minute these were 300 I bought these for 60 60 okay you're gonna overpay me and then they're gonna have a lockout they're gonna have a bunch of players they're gonna it's gonna going to have a lockout. They're going to have a bunch of players. There's going to be a lockout.

They're going to push out a bunch of players who were overpaid, and then everybody's going to hate them in the summer not realizing this was y'all fault in the first place. The game is the game. People are going to get paid big money. People are going to get paid big money, and then they're going to make the fans look at those players, and they're going to say,

these players are overpaid not realizing someone wrote that check. Yeah. Willingly. When do you think we're going to have another lockout? Hmm? I said when do you think

we're going to have another lockout? Same shit that always happens. No, when? When? When is the CBO? I believe it's 24, 25 I checked.

Ooh. 24, 25? Yeah. About that next year? Yeah, they're going to miss some games for just shits and giggles. They didn't complain about the bad contracts. They have they gonna do right now

I mean they can do it as soon as possible if they really had a strong Union Motherfuckers really was fed up with some table. No, but it runs through supposed to run through 2930 but obviously that there's opt-out points before that I just don't like that I just don't like the idea that a System that the organization created they get to really hinder players. It's not in my best interest

if I'm Indiana. It's not in my best interest if I'm Indiana to have Tyrese Hallenburton play. In the All-Star game. 65 games. Play in the All-star game. Let's get the bread for the city But don't know that 65 I got the bread for the city is fine and said my best interest he don't play 65 games Oh, cuz I don't want to pay him that 41

That supermass because him not getting a super max. It's I can keep putting pieces behind him. Yeah, I Get to keep putting pieces behind him yeah i get to keep putting pieces behind him oh yeah we can go get this this this this because i saved so much money on making him play 64 games 63 games so now i don't want to i'm not going to clear him i don't give a fuck what's going on well you're not clear to play son i get to do i get to do that now. But then eventually he'll get his money, right? Like, you think? When? The following contract? What if that, you know, if it happens again on the following contract, I get to do the same thing? So he's fucked, isn't he?

Yes. Get our man his money. On the subject of Tyrese's and sticking with the Sixers, with the beat sideline, Tyrese Maxey is doing his best to try and hold it down for the Sixers. Maxey gave the Jazz a career-high 51 points, topping his previous high of 50 against the Pacers in November. 17 for 27 from the field, 7 for 9 from 3. Plays like that. Check your ankles. 10 for 11 from the foul line. Maxie also added one assist for good measure. Second youngest player in NBA history with a 50-piece and no turnovers. Wait, wait, hold on. So 50 and no turnovers.

50-piece, no. Yeah, one assist, zero turnovers. Give your son a man some love. One assist. No, because you... They said no. Okay. One assist.

I'm stat man. Do not blame me. No, I you said no Okay What is it? Don't come on? I'm stat man. Gil. Do not blame me. No, I just know I'm saying Okay, you said youngest to score 51 second youngest player in anybody here She with 50 piece and no turnovers so 50 piece and no turnovers. Oh, you just add it's okay I mean it sound like when you see Yeah, so when you said What I'm thinking when you said 50, like he's the youngest, one of the youngest to 50,

but you're throwing in extra. Zero turnover. Zero turnover. You protected the ball in that 50. Zero turnovers. That's another category for. Zero, yeah, yeah. Zero turnovers, one block, one steal.

Okay, I get it. Okay. Just say 50. In 32 minutes. Just say 50. I did not mention those other two. But I can't say 50 because there's going to be a hole

that doesn't make it look good But 50 y'all niggas was turning the rock over you're he's protecting the ball You know where the joy you have to listen to all of it yeah, that's what the zero Okay, so the zero is part of the statue. That's what good people do, but let's get into Tyrese Maxey's hibachi time Forgot to do the graphic. Please forgive me in the back. Mm-mm. They got the lights and shit.

It's sizzling. Benihana. Yeah, you have to listen to me, Gil, because I will give you all the information that is necessary in any particular moment. But so let's talk a little bit about something else. He had the 50-piece and zero turnovers, but after the game, Maxie did the now-common Wilt Photo tribute. I believe we have that.

Holding up a piece of paper with 51 written on it. It was his career high, but are you feeling Maxie doing the Wilt tribute, or does there need to be a points minimum now to get that off? Seems like everybody's doing it. Do we need some type of criteria now to be able to do the Wilt 100 photo? Did have a career high

51 points. I will say that again. I'll damn sure hold my shit up with 11 on there. 11. 11. Career high, nigga. Yeah. Yeah, I need 60 more.

I need 60 more. I need 60 more. Straight up. I mean, I think so, right? You got to at least score 70 at this point. I mean, but that young boy, he's been hooping. But I think at least get to 70 if you're going to do it. Because now guys

are like, you know, 50 is the new 70. No, it ain't. I just scored 70 like it's... My fuckers have 50 at the end of the third, bro. What I'm saying, career high. Is this career high, though? He going to do it again, though. So when he gets 52, he going to do it again? What the fuck are we doing here?

That's what I'm saying. Same sheet of paper, plus one on it. Plus one on the end. Plus one on the end. Plus 50. 70. Okay, when Wilt did it, right, that was the only time he did it, right? He didn't do it when he had 70.

He didn't do it when he had 60. None of those numbers, right? He did it 100 because that was something new. Was it? But Gil... Did Kobe do it with 81? No. You know Kobe wouldn't dare. He wouldn't fucking dare. He didn't do it. He didn't. You know Kobe? He wouldn't dare.

He wouldn't fucking dare. He didn't do it. He didn't do it. He didn't pay a promo. He the type. But we don't know if Will actually had a 100-point game

because we see the photo but nobody has any video. Okay, did we do it? Did David Robinson do it when he had the 70-something? Nope. Admiral Thompson. He's an admiral.

Military man. He didn't do it either, right? Because the threshold was 100. You can't do it until you get over that. Michael Thompson. Military man. He didn't do it either, right? Right? Because, you know, the threshold was 100, right? You can't do it until you get over that, right? No shit. So we lowered the bar.

We lowered the bar. Okay. The problem with this one is someone, two people scored 70 this year already. Crazy. So, therefore, it's not even, it's your career high, congratulations, get the ball, whatever. But to do something that is not even in the highest this season seems stupid. So if someone who averages five, if he scores 40, he gets to do the same thing, you will look at him like, yo, what the hell is that?

The same way Luka and Embiid is looking at you like yo bro you know I just had 72 weeks ago. Cat had 63. Yeah like you know and Cat didn't have it up even though that's his career high like the standard right now is 73 what 73 for Luca right so whoever has 74 okay I. That makes sense. It's the high this year, right? But 51, like, that's laughable. I'm pretty sure this year... He was having a good day, though. I think he just got the cover of Slam Magazine,

too, that same day. It was the man's career high. We hate him. We hate him. Everybody's career... I'm just being honest. There's 82. There's how many games a game? 82. There's like 12 games a game? 82. 82. I mean, not a game. There's like 12 games a day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone is going to have a career high. The dude who scores one point for the first time, he's going to have a... They took the ball, tried to give it. They took Giannis' 64-point ball, tried to give it to him. What I'm saying is... I'm just saying. So we've seen this. So if everyone's doing it just because it's their career high, it looks stupid.

It's 2024. Do we need something new besides a white sheet of paper? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was about to say. Even though you say it looks stupid. We got Apple business. We got all types of shit. Can we get something new?

Can we get something new? We should have a, it should be, the standard is just simple. So the league step in, they're like, nah, dog. You got to have more than 73. You got to have more than 73. You got to have more. 73. Hey, whoever hits the highest, then if you want to do it, you do it. If you don't, everybody, just take the ball.

If you need the ball at 51, then keep it. Because if he scores 62 tomorrow, right, he will look stupid. 51 looks stupid now. Yep. Because then you would have to put 52. That would look stupid. Well, he'll just have a bunch of these just framed on his wall It's just 51 62 60. I think the measure should be 82 80

You got to have 82 career hot, but maxi but I'm saying because people already did it this year It should at least be a barrier. It should be whoever has the high in that moment in time So maxi career high 51 points. Do you guys know who's the youngest player to score 50 or more in a game? The youngest player? Youngest player. Luka. Ooh, the youngest player to score 51. Gilbert.

Luka. You gentlemen are not Americans. Oh, it's an American? Hold on. American basketball player would probably be... Extremely talented. Heavy in the fashion game.

Proc procure of amazing Ain't got it no more though. That was the damageest shit. I knew that answer already. I did. I wasn't even thinking about that. Everybody else but Mr. Big. Cause he's the only rookie to ever score. He has the rookie record for 55. Man, I locked that shit down. That shit be my own one too. I locked that shit down. He's like the second youngest with no turnovers. Dubon was 55 in three quarters.

I just thought about it. I was like, wait, he owns the rookie record. Tell him to move around Brendan For turn did not that you do. Listen when you score 50 some when you score that What's the most turnovers you could have in a 50-point game don't matter. At least seven. 50 and seven turnovers. You can call that bitch nine. Over 10 is crazy. Over 10 is crazy. So 50 and nine is the threshold. I don't care. What I'm saying is what I'm saying.

We have 50 and nine turnovers? Yeah. But if you have 50 and like 20 turnovers, does that not take, or you just tell people the 50 and you leave that part out? If someone has 50 and 20 turnovers, you know how aggressive that dude is? Fuck. You know how aggressive that dude is? Yo, what the fuck? You know how aggressive that man is? One, if a dude who has 50 and that many turnovers

means he's a whole different player, too, because the turnover is coming from what? Trying to pass the ball? Bro, sit your ass down, my nigga. 20 turnovers? But I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's the type of player that means he's making turnovers pass, nor he can't dribble for shit.

He playing for the other team. But I'm just saying, he's to be an – that's an aggressive – I'm throwing out a wild number. How many turnovers you had in the 60? I don't know. I don't know. Gil, 60. How many assists?

I had eight assists. 60 and eight. Eight assists, eight rebounds. But what I'm saying is at 68 and eight? What is that 60 like in today's game? I had 55-5. 55-5? Yeah, I'm not a fan. What is your 60 like in today's game? I have 55-5. 55-5? Yeah, I'm a lot of 5.

What is your 60 like in 2024? Is that like a 75-point game? And Brandon, what's your 55 like in today's game? I think that's an 80-point game, and that's a 65-65. Well, remember, you didn't score in the last quarter. Imagine you starting out. But you would have took more shots. And today, I mean, the only thing that changes is the aspect of there's more threes, right?

So because there's more threes just being shot anyway, it changes the game a little bit. But how I played is damn near the same speed as how they're playing now. So I don't really see... Come on now. It's hard to do not take your mindset. Our defense back then against the Princeton style offense, we had to adjust

to something that was foreign to us because we were used to different sets. So he got off based on knowing like flair, the flair, the fucking flair screen for him when he used to cutting down and getting the layup and then he flair all of a sudden. That option alone got you a lot of shots. Today, they don't even play defense like that. So you getting more shots based on them just being lazy. Both of y'all, even you in the

pick and roll. You used to niggas showing. Because you're saying the same thing. Nobody was used to it then. So if they wasn't used to it then and not used to it now, the same shots I got versus them, I'm going to get in that. We showed a lot more effort of trying to get back to you. So if we would close out on that flare, it was up and boom. You were doing your thing. But that's what I'm saying.

So my reaction time on what he did. If I pass it and you defense, right, you jump to the ball, flare. If you pushed up on me, I'd take the flare, then back door because you're behind me, right? You jump to the ball, flare. If you pushed up on me, I take the flare, then back door because you're behind me, right? If I flared and caught the ball and then you came here, I'm going to pass it and then cut off of you, right? So because of the options that I have, it didn't matter what your effort was.

I had options to whatever you were going to do. So it doesn't really make, it doesn't really change today because they don't know it. But it's more so the schemes that we had to put in to slow you down. We had to slow you down by one,

taking the ball out of the big man's hand that can actually make those passes. Putting pressure on the ball that actually, the digger that's making the pass like Karan, you can't just let him pass the ball.

We got to put pressure on him. Today's defense is not going to do none of that shit. It's free range to really pass and do whatever which allows you one more possessions to you You get to get more fouls. That's because niggas not playing defense you cut through the line But you literally gonna stack your point based on them not even being I mean because that's what I said because how I played

I'm playing I'm like shade. So Me and shade technically has that same thing. I'm I was bigger than everyone. So I'm putting them in like Shea so me and Shea technically has that same thing I'm I was bigger than everyone so I'm putting them in the post right I shot the ball a lot better and I was a lot faster so I would have scored 70. I don't know if it was that game I would have scored 70 because I did have 20 something I had had 27 free throws, right? It wouldn't have been that game. But Joe, Joe, your point production compared to Shays right now, I see, I'm not going to say double, but I see you going at least to 35, 36 a game. Yeah. If he had 30, um, on my style, what benefits me here is there's nobody in the back line that stops me.

Right? So, you know, you're talking about the P.J. Tuckers and the Grants. You guys are 6'4", 6'5". Like the big man, Shacknam couldn't keep me from trying to score in the lane, so you guys wouldn't do it because it's not like you guys are sitting there taking charges the whole night. Right? Back then, you know, I have KG and there's KG back there at seven foot and Irving, the big dude at center.

So there's two seven footers back there, and I'm still trying to get to the basket. So you put that now to 6'11 and a 6'4? But think about defense. I'm not going to shoot it through. I'm never going to try to shoot it through. Defensively, how to try to slow you down. I can't push up on you so you drive more. You already a driver.

But the way you shoot the ball, how do you guard that? Now I got to get off you to avoid you from driving and you shooting that bitch, boom, boom. Shea can't really, like, we'll take the shot on Shea. We're not taking that shit on you coming down. But shooters or guards, that's the advantage you have if you learn how to shoot. You have that advantage if you learn.

So if you're a really fast guard, your second most important weapon will be shooting. Right? Driving, and that is third. You want to be able to shoot the ball if you are fast. Yep. So Gil, speaking of shooting the ball, let's talk a little bit about Steph Curry. Warriors have been a hot pack of mid, but that hasn't

stopped Chef Curry from getting his cook on. Someone said, Gil, only 6'5". Do you not realize everybody else was 6'0"? And 6'1". Gil, you 6'5"? No, I'm 6'4". I'm 6'3". You 6'4", Gil? 6'4". Yeah, you 6'5". No, I'm 6'4". He's 6'3". I'm 6'3".

6'3 in the quarter. You 6'4", Gil? 6'4". Basketball shoes. We're just basketball shoes on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're basketball shoes on. Okay.

So think about it. If I'm the second tallest point guard back then, right? It was Jason Kidd. That's 6'5". Then me. Okay. Right? So that means I couldn't post up Jason Kidd, but everybody else got posted up.

You too little. Bro, you would score like... but everybody else got posted up. You too little. Bro, you would score like... That's what I'm saying, everybody too little. I mean, today's game, most of these guys are bigger. So, you know, when someone says only yet, I mean, compared to these guys, yeah. Well, let's talk a little bit about Steph and some of these highlights from the Hawks game this weekend. Steph hit 10 threes. 23 attempts from behind the arc. He went 22 for 38 from the field.

Wait, he did what? 22 for 38 from the field, 10 for 23 from three. Shot 23 threes in this game and did go to OT. Atlanta got a good team, man. That's pulling. Ten of them things, Gil. Gil, in your 60-point game, you only shot 12 threes. You were 5 for 12, just in case you wanted to know.

Steph out here cooking. One-man band. And after the game, he blessed Lindsey Lohan with the jersey from the game. Unfortunately, the Dubs were not able to get a dub. Took an L. So Steph joins Kobe as the only player over 35 to drop 60 in a game. In case you did not hear that, the only player over the age of 35 to drop 60

in a game. No quantifiers, turnovers, none of that other stuff. Just merely points at that age. Over and above. But also joins Kat and Devin Booker on the list of players to drop 60 pieces this season in a losing effort. So interesting stat here.

A number of NBA players have scored 60 points in a game and lost. There's only two in the 80s, one in the 90s, zero in the 2000s. The 80s is Michael Jordan because he was probably the only person that was capable of scoring 60. And then as of that game, there was three in 13. Is Jordan both of them? Because there's no way in hell that anybody in the 80s was three and 13. Jordan, both of them? Because there's no way in hell that anybody in the 80s

was scoring 60 points. I don't get what y'all say. There's only one person in the 80s. Larry scored 60. I think Larry scored 60.

Yeah, but they won. It was a win. In the 80s? Oh, okay, Larry. I think so, yeah. I mean, and the loss, I mean, but Larry's team was good, so I don't...

So I'm pretty sure I'll put my money on both has to be Jordan and it has to be that 63 that's 60 with 985 year rookie year, right? No, the third the first and the third year maybe or just the third year So Jordan the only other person with a bird to dev a 60-point game Bernard King at a 60-point guy I don't know if their wins or losses, but those are the only Four gentlemen, I think to eclipse 60 points. Yeah,-point game Bernard King at a 60-point guy. I don't know if their wins or losses, but those are the only Four gentlemen think to eclipse 60 points. Here's our Bernard King probably it might have been because he was the Knicks Yeah, so Bulls lost to the Hawks April 16th

During 61 in 87 and in 60 so he's both George both Jordan. No, but this is regular season. What? It's Jordan and Bernard King. Bernard King. Yeah, so this is regular. Obviously Jordan in the playoffs. This is regular season. But let's talk about Steph and the Warriors.

Warriors are 21 and 25 this season. 12th in the West. Squarely out of the playoff or play-in hunt as of this point. But Brandon, I'm going to start with you. Obviously you got the Steph Steph Curry tough crowd collab. How would you feel if you were in Steph's shoes right now? I would just keep hoping and keep showing up.

I mean, that's all I can do. I mean, where they are right now is where they are. But for Steph, I would just keep showing up and just keep doing what I'm doing. So let's just say over 35 now, close to the twilight of your career, obviously still want to keep the dynasty going, still want to win championships, team is mid. Yeah, I mean for Steph, just hoop and management, the people at the top got to take care of business at this point. I mean, you know, I mean, or staff got to go in there and tell them what he want. Isn't that what the other players have done? Like your Bucks, Giannis? Hey, man, what are we doing? Yeah, but is that confirmed, though?

Hey, man. No, no, no. I'm talking about in the beginning of the season before. Remember, we had the group chat conversation, and Giannis was saying what he was saying to try to get better players and then they made the trade. Right? It's because of what he said. Hey man, what are we doing? Steph ain't said that yet. Or at least not publicly. Braun has said it. What are we doing?

Alright, they made changes. Every big star, we talking trade deadline this Thursday. Noon Pacific, 3 p.m. Eastern. Should see a lot of wheeling and dealing. 23 threes, bro. That's the 38 shots. 23 threes.

So what does he need to go in there and tell Mike Dunley? Clay! I'ma call him Clay. I'ma call him Clay. So just Clay? Dre too. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.

Succulent Blue. Or you keep them and Kaminga got to go and we just trade pieces. Ooh. Give up the youth? Now because Kaminga's the only one that really showing promise that you get good pieces for him. Haircut Kaminga, nah, ooh. You get nice out there.

Haircut Kaminga. Haircut Kaminga. I mean, but he like the only one really out there that's really... Wiggins. Wiggins and Kaminga got to go. You're going to keep them old fossils around. You're not keeping Kaminga? I'm just saying, if you're going to keep Dre and Klay, you got to get rid of Kaminga and Wiggins. Got to get rid of who? Wiggins and Kaminga.

No, Kaminga ain't going nowhere now. Why? Because he's the most valuable asset. That's why you should get rid of him. But he's young, though. Because he's the most valuable. If you want something back, that's good. Reasonable. But he don't make enough money. Yeah, he's not making enough bread right now.

So you're not going to get back. So no one's going to overpay you. Package. You're going to have to package him. Three-team deal. You're going to have to move around. You're going to have to do some dealing. Mike Dunleavy is going to have to get in his bag. He's going to have to figure out, like, how do we make a package deal to get some value back if we're not going to break the band up? You have to get in his bag. He's going to have to figure out how do we make a package deal to get some value back if we're not going to break the band up.

You have to break the band up because if you're going to get rid of Kaminga, you have to throw in something you don't want. And the problem is for Clay and Steph's survival, they need a player like Kaminga

who can drive. Like I said, the same way you guys won championships, in a sense, is you didn't win the same way every year. Your last one was different than your first one. Now you have a guy who can really rim hunt. Now think about when teams go small to try to guard you guys, Kaminga's going to take advantage of that because now he's the most explosive person on the court.

So you can say, hey, Draymond, get out, Kaminga, go in. Now when you do the pick and roll and he drives, watch your head now. So now he takes advantage. Now you've got to put a big guy in there. Now I can sell him out, put Dray in. You know what I mean? So now you get the will and deal. So he's, for Steph's future, I need now, Kaminga has shown

that the way he attacks, the way he plays the game, now I have an inside out versus just out. I mean, 23 threes is crazy, so you know now that's, you know now the way Steph is playing is gonna be more from the arc. He's getting older. So now, you know, 23 threes, 23, 17 threes is going to be in the future. So now I need someone that can go in and take some of those hits to make it easier for Steph. So what are we looking for as a team, though?

We ain't looking for shit. We're lacking bench. We're lacking depth. We don't have what we need that is going to take us to the playoffs, one. And then we got Chris Paul on the bench, right? We got Draymond, who is not the same caliber player. Clay, not the same caliber. You got the white kid, what is it, Pajiski? You got guys who are unexpected showing up for you.

And then you got GP Jr., GP II. He ain't healthy. So you got some assets that can be moved, but it's like the one thing you need is depth. Because Steph can get it done. He's proven he can get it done. But he can't get it done by himself. I think Warriors need a big. Or, or, or.

Or? Uh-uh. Just enjoy. That's what I said, just enjoy. Just enjoy. No, I mean, there ain't no tanking. You playing for real. Like, Steph, just play. Like, they've won four, they've won four championships. Are you saying it don't matter? What I'm saying is they've won four championships. You know, Steph has done everything Steph could have done with the roster he has had. I mean, he's done, did what, he has done everything Steph could have done with the roster he has had. I mean, he's done, did what he's still doing it, right? He's in rockstar status. If you can build another team around him within the next year or two, right? Then let's go for it.

But he's not going to be no different than LeBron is right now, right? Where you're older, but we're expecting this greatness and it, the expectations, the expectations of you winning because of what you've done is going to overexceed anything anyway. Because if I bring someone in, that's going to take away from you to win. Are you going to be willing to take that backseat? You don't, you don't think Steph would be willing to take that backseat? You don't think Steph would be willing to take that backseat if it means extending his championship window? Let me talk about LeBron, but the Lakers, he went

to the Western Conference Finals last year, and obviously LeBron in year 20 at that point. I just don't feel like Steph's going to be like, yeah, we won four, I'm cool. What I'm saying is my biggest star is Steph, so that means I will have to reboot it and then somehow bring in so much talent that pushes him to, what, three?

Yeah. There ain't enough talent in the league to do that. So you don't think Steph can still be a number one on a championship? Like, he's not playing good enough for if I give him a solid two and three now. No, no, no, no, no. No, facts. But this year, I mean, what, are you going to do that in the summer? Because, I mean, it ain't going to be through Tr's giving up. Nobody's giving up those type of assets today

Right, you think they would shuffle up. Fuck. No, there's nobody in that kind of who's that desperate right now to take on Clay and them that's not in the playoff race, right? So, I mean, what are you gonna go and and try to get? LaMelo. Who? LaMelo. They're not giving up LaMelo. They're not giving up their franchise guy. Who, Charlotte? Charlotte's not giving up their franchise right now. That's all they got.

Hell no. That's all they got. They said, that's my ticket seller. They trash with them. That's my ticket seller. They trash with them. That's all they got, though. They ain't no tickets.

They ain't not selling out the Charlotte play. Charlotte not selling out. Trust me. They selling enough? They not selling nothing. What you going to do? Them niggas is not coming to see LaMelo. I'm not saying he's not selling enough? They not selling nothing. What you going to do? Them niggas is not coming to see LaMelo.

I'm not saying he's not good enough to be a ticket seller, but they not going to just go by and watch him play. You think they going to do it if Wiggins or Clay get there? If he go to Golden State. No, what I'm saying is you think they going to come if Wiggins and Clay get there? You think the Warriors going to come off of LaMelo for what the Warriors have to offer right now? I'm saying it got to be a multi-team deal. It can't be a straight up, saying it's got to be a multi-team deal.

It can't be a straight-up, but it's got to be a culmination of players moving around like a mega block star, a blockbuster deal. There's a lot of shit happening. Right now, if you're the general manager and you trade a 22-year-old, a 22-year-old who is still considered a rookie, forget a rookie, Forget a rookie. Michael Jordan came in at 22.

Larry Bird came in at 23, right? So you're getting rid of an asset that hasn't even blossomed yet. He's been in the league, what, four? It don't matter how long he's been in it. You talking about Kaminga? No, the lamella ball. So you're taking an asset

that hasn't even turned into a tree. This is still here. So you're getting rid of that. Don't turned into a tree. This is still this is still here Yeah, so you're getting rid of that don't even know what it's gonna be yet. Yeah, right you'll be fired for that No, yes, you would because if he'd leave all the time what I'm saying is if he leaves right remember This is not a tree. This is a little bush you traded your little bush and then he turns into this tree Right. This is LeBron. Like We know what LeBron was in Cleveland. He goes to Miami. Imagine they traded him to Miami, which they did technically. They did trade him to Miami.

Now he traded, and he becomes that. You fired. Right? You traded your asset too fast. But the asset ended up coming back. Yeah. Older. Came back older, two years of winning championship.

But you won two. Better. You won two over there. You gave me one and left when all three of those could have been mine. But you gave me one. All three of those could have been mine. I get it, but we're talking about LaMelo and leaving Charlotte. There's not going to ever be nothing and never get nothing, even if he is a little tree.

Right? You're talking about bringing Steph back home or bringing somebody in that can actually, like you're changing the dynamic of the landscape. You're talking about bringing Steph back home or bringing somebody in that can actually, like you're changing the dynamic of the landscape. You're talking about rebuilding. You're talking about rebuilding for one and you're talking about giving up and taking an investment in for another. Like that's a business decision that Golden State gonna have to

consider. Where it's like, are we gonna keep Steph, rebuild our whole organization or are we gonna keep all of our fossils together, keep this shit and ride it till the wheels fall off? There's a decision that needs to be made. Trace that. Are you saying trace that for LaMelo?

That's what you're saying? No, I'm just saying, well, or at least consider the possibility of moving some shit around, if you're going to move it around. But if you're Charlotte, are you going to take in a 35-year-old? In Charlotte? For Steph? Are you talking about Steph or LaMelo?

No. I'm considering it. I'm considering it. If you're Charlotte? For Steph that went to Davidson? Are you talking about Steph or LaMelo? No. I'm considering it. I'm considering it. If you're Charlotte? 35-year-old Steph that went to Davidson? I mean, playing at his pop soul team? It's a story. It's a story.

I know. And it's a megastar. No. And it ain't just, like, this is a megastar coming back to the roots. Right? And then you got LaMelo, which he's saying is a little tree that can pan out to be another Steph in a place where Steph was. So let's talk about the Warriors at this deadline.

Wait, hold on. Okay, just understand this, right? When you're saying bringing in Steph, right, let's just put LaMelo in the same category as Steph when he first got drafted, right? It's difficult because Steph came out of college. No, what I'm saying is if you trade Steph within the first four years of his career, you miss him. Remember, he was injured.

He didn't play very well. He didn't turn into the Kirby we know until 26, he was injured. He didn't play very... He didn't turn into the Kirby we know until 26, 27 years old. Lamello done with similar issues. So what ends up happening is if you trade the bush, you would have traded that bush

and it would have turned into something you don't... But that's the risk that you take. But that's what I'm saying. Why? Because you're going to have Steph for what? Three years?

Two years? Because you don't know if Lamello's going to turn into a Steph. what i don't know that but what i'm saying is you know you only have steph curry for two more years and you have the end of him right well lamello i have what 14 more possible years as an investment whatever steph is going to give me in two years 14 years lamello's going to give me whatever're still not going to be winning shit with LaMelo Ball. But you're Charlotte, and you got to ask that. You don't know that, though.

But you don't know that, though. But the possibilities are better. Two years. The two years? The two years is nothing. To build value. I got to build what value? Value of the team.

The team value. I'm not going to build a championship. Selling out tickets. Two years. Charlotte. Two years. Sell out. Two years.

That's death. Two years. So you might get one year. Return on your investment. Two years. Charlotte. Two years. Sell out. Two years. That's bad. Two years. You might get one year. Return on investment. What investment are you getting for LaMelo for 14 years and he's not selling out? You don't know what he's going to turn to. That's the point. It's a risk.

It's a risk. So you're risking 14 years for just two years? That's crazy. They make these investments and these risks all the time. It's just like when you had Kyrie Irving, and then you took the chance of bringing LeBron James back when you already had this guy. Now he moves to number two.

Now you don't have something that you can see to pan out to what we actually drafted him for. Number one, the number one draft pick. We picked him to be here. He's starting to pan out, but then we bring this guy in and the Duluth. He did pan out, though. He did pan out. He did pan out.

He won a championship. He became an all-star, all-NBA player. So you did everything. It's like trading him. Come on, man, but we didn't see what he could pan out to be by himself. It didn't matter. Yes, we did. No, we didn't.

It didn't matter. He was an all-star by himself over there. No, what I'm saying is if this is my number one, this is my number one and I brought goodness and he made a number two That's how great my team is if this number one option is now a number two This is like LeBron coming back. It's like small market again It's it's a it's a no-name destination Nobody's really gonna come because LeBron James when he left it was here Then we bring this young kid in to try to get back this mojo then we had to bring

him back to bring it back up here yeah it's like because there was another but it's like trading it but it's like trading that young asset before it blossomed versus adding it if you're going to add steph whitley mellow hell yeah but that's fuck yeah the two because they's playing in the same position it don't matter it's the same position it't matter No, it's not they're two point guards one, but one can play two one can play one one He fits better with with with with stuff. I understand what y'all saying I just want y'all to know what I'm saying as far as when you look at the two assets Being tradable pieces the risk is that you're gonna risk Betting on theMelo to pan out

to be something like Steph rather than taking Steph for what he is now and double it. Not even two. Let's just say four. No, it's going to be two years. He's 39. He's staying in Charlotte for two years. So you're going to get two years of Steph in Charlotte.

Four years of Steph in Charlotte. It's 35. So all the way to 39. Steph is not going to play to 39 in Charlotte. And what is he going to look like at 39? If he can take the Charlotte Hornets to the playoffs and make a run and they put some pieces around him. Look at the contract you're taking in. What contract do you have now?

Don't got no contract. But I got a 22-year-old. You could take in the contracts because you don't got nothing. But what is he going to look at at 27, 28, 29? We don't know. I got him all the way to 35

before you trade him for Seth. Think about you almost... Melo under contract until 2028 as of right now. Think about you almost bringing in Scoot for Brandon Miller. The decision you made that was because Brandon Miller is a two-guard and Scoot for Brandon Miller. The decision you made that was because Brandon Miller is a two guard and Scoot is a point so we're gonna let them take

Scoot in Portland. We're gonna take Brandon Miller because we don't want to No, because we already have a point guard. Yeah, exactly. We already got something here. So that's why we didn't pick that. Otherwise you would have picked that and been like, alright Melo, we really believe in this new pick we just picked. We're eventually going to move you because we feel more value in this pick. But we picked Brandon because we know your value. And that was the right pick. Thank God.

And why? Because you're still losing. Yes, they're still losing, but they're young. They're young. This is like Golden State ripping their team up before Clay, Curry, and what's-his-name even, Bill.

Or that's like getting rid of Monte Ellis before you can actually see how he actually pans out with Steph. Yes. But you won because you have Clay. You didn't have Clay when you got rid of him, though. And you didn't know Clay was going to be Clay.

Clay went to Washington State. You didn't know Clay was going to pan out to be a splash, brother. Clay was a lottery pick. But I'm went to Washington State. You didn't know Klay was going to pan out to be a splash, brother. Klay was a lottery pick. But I'm saying as you evaluated, you didn't evaluate Montae and Curry. You evaluated, okay, these are the one and two.

Can I find a better one and two? Montae was already number one before Steph got there. Yeah. So you bring in another player at the same position because it's a decision you have to make and they make It's just like Halliburton and Deion Fox Yeah, you got to make a decision because we got two guys who could potentially be the same the decision both work the decision worked out

No, what was the tough decision? It wasn't it both worked out both worked out. But what was the tough decision? I got a pick one of the other okay, and they both work box The Sacramento Kings is not the same team. Yes, why not? We don't know that. We do know that. We do not. Why not?

Because why they kept De'Aaron Fox. Why not? Because he's a better fit for them. Try it again. They didn't. Better fit for them. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that he's a better player. I didn't say that.

One is more of a scorer. One is more of a scorer. It's about what's the better pick for the position of the team. We keep a De'Aaron Fox here, doing this is a better situation for us. It panned out for Indiana because they didn't

have anybody. It panned out because what Hallie is today, they didn't see that then. They did. That's why they drafted him. Just like Brunson? They didn't see that bin. Oh, they did. That's not a drafty just like Brunson They didn't see Brunson like Dallas remember Dallas has Brunson. They see what Brunson is They didn't know he was worth what he is now. So when they said oh you overpaid for this guy. He's underpaying now Ooh, they knew they couldn't pay him because they didn't know he was paying him. They didn't know he was worth that

They knew he was that good though. They knew he was good enough. was worth that. They knew he was that good, though. They knew he was good enough. Mark knew he was that good. But the thing is, I have Luka that does the same thing you do at the same size. I mean, you're 6'1 doing that. I have Luka at 6'9 doing it. Luka's doing rebounding and assists. He's a triple-double guy. What I'm saying is, at the last five minutes, why would I take the ball out of's a triple-double guy. Would you take the ball? What I'm saying is at the last five minutes,

why would I take the ball out of Luka's hands to give it to Brunson? Even though Brunson is great at what he does in the last five minutes, but I have Luka doing it too. So I have a clash.

So the value, it's like, you know, when a woman says, when you ask a woman, what is your value? And she says, I'm the table. Cool, that sounds great. But I already have a table that sounds great. Yeah, but I already have a table already have already

So fuck your table. I'm gonna put it in the closet. What else do you bring? Well, I don't bring nothing else because I'm the table. Well now unfortunately no matter how great you are as a woman I don't need you because the value that you bring I already have it covered So what Brunson Brunson goes into a place that needed his value. Now the $100 million man is actually worth way more. But to Dallas, he wasn't worth it. That's what I say about Halliburton. Halliburton's worth is more in Indiana because they did not have anything there.

They had no table. But if they switch it, both values are the same because they're both great players. DeFox is going to go to Indiana and do the same thing he's doing. The same thing. No. Yes, they are. They both are. Mm-mm. Well, listen, because Fox was already there for how many years? He's already acclimated. You traded me to another team, this new nigga has to do something with a team that's already dependent on their leadership qualities. Indiana don't have no expectations. It's like, hey, look, we just going to run this thing and figure it out.

But that's about it. Sometimes coaches and management don't see something, right? They just don't see it. Like even with Maxie, you see he's good, but you don't know

how good he really is until you open the threshold. So sometimes they'll trade a player before he even... Right. Shea. Yeah, just like Shea. And the Clippers.

Right, no matter, like, you just... Nah, it still worked out. You know? The trade still worked out. That's what I'm saying with LaMelo. It's like LaMelo, we know his talent

and we know his threshold, right? But we don't know 14 years down the line that he could pan out to be a megastar like Steph. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we can see it. Listen, he has... Look,astar like Steph. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we can see it. Listen, he has...

I'm about to say, I'm about to say, he would be a megastar now if we could see it. Because what year is he in? He's in year five. His fourth season is going into year five. I mean, he's only, what, 21? He don't have no all-NBAs? He don't have none of that. But remember when you said Steph at year four, he was just

turning the corner. I didn't think Steph was an all-star. Melo Ball was already an all-star. Lamella will be 23 in August. 23, that's what I'm saying. He will be 23 after the season is over with. But Steph in his year four became... They're not even on the same planet at the same time.

So Steph was really that guy, right? No. Year five he became that guy? 20, 20, 26, 27. No, right? No. Year four. Year five, he became that guy? 20, 20, what, 26, 27. No, no, no. It was a run they had with Mark Jackson when they lost against the Spurs.

And they came back the next year. And then they came back the next year. That was his fourth year. So Lomelo in his fourth year, he ain't all NBA, he ain't doing all that stuff like the next three years is going to do. But you're not taking in age. You're taking

in years. Age plays a different role. I'm taking in influence and what you can do. So by the fourth year, Steph was 24 turning 25. Average of 23 a game. His first MVP season, he was 26.

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Sixth season. Sixth season? MVP at the sixth season. This is Mello's His first MVP season, he was 26 in his... Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Sixth season. Sixth season? MVP at the sixth season. This is Melo's fourth year. That's why we're able to build that dynasty, because his first four years were all right.

He was trash. But they got him for cheap. Yeah, they got him for cheap. Four for 44. So that fifth and sixth year was when he re-dubbed. No, no. He re-dubbed in his fourth year. They signed him to that bad deal

because he wasn't playing. The fifth and sixth season. Fourth season. They gave him an extension. Right. So Drew Holiday made more than him. Going into his fifth and his sixth season,

that's when he started to turn the corner into the supercar with the bad deal. Uh-huh. Right. So LaMelo is 22 right now, averaging 24.

And he's in his fourth season. Yeah. Fourth season. 22. And he's in his fourth season. Yeah. Fourth season. 22. So next year, his production would have to go up for him to be in that stratosphere. So 24, that was Steph at 25. So it's three years in front, age-wise. But that's because Steph did go to college.

But that's what I'm saying. So you can't evaluate him on the years. It's the age because the maturity of the player, he just has an advantage because he came in early. That's what I'm saying. Like, so if you have a player at 18, that's a number. If you have a number one pick, that's 18. And you have a number one pick, that's 23. Technically, who's supposed to have the better year? The 23 year old. And that's why I would take Steph at 35 and have three years left on him knowing that what I got is here.

I got this, and it's in Charlotte. We're going to build this picture. What are you building? Nobody's coming to Charlotte for just three years. They are to see Steph Curry. To see Steph Curry, bro. But what players are you getting, though? What do you mean?

This is not like Bronc going to L.A. It's Steph Curry. Well, speaking of LeBron, let's talk a little bit about LeBron. So LeBron, 21 years deep in the league, easily one of the most successful hoopers ever on and off the court. After the Lakers beat the Knicks in Madison Square Garden, LeBron gave some free game on what it takes to be great. Learn the history of the game.

Respect the ones that came before you, even when they do disrespect you. It's okay. It's absolutely okay. You know who paved the way. You know, understand that, you know, what a professional is all about. Be a pro. You know, show up to work. Be ready to work.

If you're on time, you're late. Put the work in. The game gives back to you when you put the work in. That's what the game guys do. So come to the gym, we want the first ones to the gym, we want the last ones to leave, you know, and just pour it all into the game. If you want to be great, and if you want to be, you know, someone that's, you know, will never be forgotten in his life. So, the cars and the jewelry and all the other dumb shit that don't matter means absolutely nothing. And I see a lot of these young kids, they get so unfocused about stuff that is so material

that they can lose their focus. Just worry about the game. If you worry about the game, everything will take care of itself. If you worry about the game, worry about your family, and then worry about the game some more. And be selfish, too. It's okay to be selfish because you have to be a little bit selfish to be able to be great.

So with the glitz and glamour that comes with being in the league, how hard is it to focus on the main thing and avoid temptations and distractions as a younger player? It all depends on your background, you know for the most part, you know when you're making it to the NBA the the player themselves Don't value money because we don't know it right. We don't know what a What a million dollars look like we don't know so. So that's usually, that narrative has been pushed by our parents, right? When we're coming into the league, buy me this, buy me that. And that's when

we become materialistic versus the dream of when we were 10 years old playing a game. Because what we're seeing on TV is the game itself. We're not seeing cars and jury and stuff. We're seeing basketball. So that's where our focus is. And once we get it and everyone's pulling and cars and jewelry and stuff. We're seeing basketball. So that's where our focus is. And once we get it and everyone's pulling and pulling and pulling, it puts us into that mindset. But LeBron is right. As long as you're focusing

on the game aspect on it, everything that you're seeking and wanting always follows, period. I don't know why I said period like I'm a chick. But there comes a point where it turns, all right? When we were all coming up, I don't think anyone was like, damn, I just want to play so I can get a max contract.

You were playing to be the best at your craft. Then the business side comes of it. As you mentioned, you're the friends and family and everybody else who looks at you as their vehicle to success as well. But that's the music. I disagree, man. The influence is heavy on music, film film and social media at this point I mean even though McGill makes a great point about everything he said I think that the biggest influencer is

what we seen when we were younger if you wasn't watching BET or MTV the influence was Cameron and Jay-z and in the glamor and the glitz of being, you know, the whips, the chains. Master Pete Goldseid. You know, Cash Money Records, bling, bling, bling, bling. Like, in order to get to this level, you gotta have the money. In order to get the money, you gotta either

have a jump shot or slaying crack rock, right? So one or the other in that era was the decision you made. I look at it now and you say, well, how is a guy supposed to take it serious as far as the craft and the professionalism of the sport when you're being pushed to buy this, buy that, be this, be that, and if you are, this is what you get for it. You get the girl, you get the SportsCenter you get the fucking Magazine covers you get all of the shit is pushed by the culture. So for the kids It's like how do you discern and not listen to what LeBron saying?

But when the contradiction is coming from the music when you love your NBA young boy You love little dirt and you love these guys Then you see John Morant mimicking that shit. And you're like, look at the consequence for that. But he's just doing what he's seeing, right? So it's learned behavior. So for me, I look at it on the other side, like, damn, well, how do we mitigate adopting what LeBron's saying, but also seeing what the real problem is?

It ain't got nothing to do with you taking the game serious more than it is you imitating what you're seeing outside of the sport. And that's what I see the most, the biggest problem is, is who your influences are. Yeah, like the people that you have around you. But it is true, though, like you, people aren't taking the game serious, though, anymore. Like, so he does have a point, like, you know, getting back to the craft, like, yeah, okay, music, fashion, and sports, that's something that's always been in our culture. What they're pushing out, what people are pushing out, that's something that they've always been,

even before social media. When I was coming up, people was pushing stuff in front of my face all the time. But I think it's about just the decisions that you make, the people you have around you. You know, the reason why he's great and the reason why these guys are great, the people they have around. Like, you know, so reason why he's great and the reason why these guys are great, Stephan, is the people they have around.

Like, you know, so, um, but we're human. Like, you know right from wrong. That's from, that's from the day of school. Like you know, like so it's like, if you, I don't know, you gotta just... You can't skip over the experience though. Cause LeBron can't say he didn't buy the chains and the whips. He went through the experience of knowing that this ain't the shit that's going to keep me in the league. Right, but he had the right people around him.

But he still went through it. Regardless of the people around him, he still bought the chain. He still bought the whip. So regardless of it, he has experience and testimony to say, listen guys, I've done this shit. I bought that shit. I'm telling y'all, that ain't it. And I know that's what the message

is. It's like, bro, all that shit that y'all focusing on now, it ain't it because I've been there. And that's a testimony. So that's why it makes sense for him. But it's like pushing the button of saying, like, this is the real issue. It ain't that you're not focused. It's that you're allowing the influence to lead you into another path. Okay. I get what you're saying.

But I've never watched a rapper do something and I want to do it. There was nothing a rapper bought that I get into the NBA and say, I want to follow him. He's not my hero. But you did buy a whip and you did drive. Not because of...

You did drive. You did drive all the way from Oakland, all the way to such and such-such to ride a sunset to do to do what you was you seem To be cool, but what I'm saying is you're saying them music in the culture What is the culture if we're all broke and grew up broke? That is our culture, right? So we wouldn't know no expenses shit anyway, so that's what we're seeing right now But you still seeing other people live that luxurious life and you wanted to do the same I wish I had a private plan or damn I wish I could I got one gonna put some speakers in this whip

I'm gonna put some TVs in this whip because it's bling bling is big timers. It's that's what we see That's but that's something that's the actual error I grew up in and I didn't do it when I bought it not because of a rapper I'm following the group that I'm following that's the NBA players, but I got it for rappers But what I'm saying is you're saying culture my culture is who I'm following that's the NBA players, but I got it from the rappers But what I'm saying is you're saying culture my culture is who I'm sitting next to right? So I'm not listening to a song and someone says yeah I'm about to go buy gutted out seats with the Ferrari and that doesn't make me go buy something

You pulling up and in what blood you're where you get that from and you like oh, I want to go boom boom Give me your people so we're learning from each other in the locker room We're not listening to music and the same thing because the gutted-out seats that you're seeing it came from the actual song from the big time was but Gator boo with the pimped-out Gucci and Reason why he came in and you've seen it is because that's where he got a group now think about NBA player when who the fuck wore a Gucci suit with the gated boots no That's not our color. Like football players are in the same.

But you know what I'm saying. It ain't about doing the exact same thing as he's saying, but you definitely seen niggas pull up. I know Sebastian Telfer definitely had pimped out MCM with the shoes and the bag to match, and motherfuckers pulled up with the furs. If you was a fly nigga, you wore fly shit because what you seen is you seen niggas in New York with that fly shit.

But that's his culture. That's not everybody's culture. It's hip-hop culture. But everyone's not hip-hop. You're just assuming everybody's hip-hop. Bro, so what you saying? But Gil, can you say that hip-hop culture is extremely influential, though, on the black community? Period.

Yeah, music, fashion, whatever. Music, fashion. Music is fashion. Here he is. Niggas is not dressing like Lil Nas X with the hat on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Niggas is not doing that. That's not nigga shit. That's not hip hop. Hip hop is, especially when we came in, was throwback jerseys, big ass baggy jeans, big

ass white tees, Yankee fitted, button-ups, depending on where you from, chucks, khakis, you know what I'm saying, exhibit and all that. It depends. You got L.A., you got down south, you got Midwest, everybody got a different... But I'm saying, you're talking about spending money. For the most part, most of those rappers ain't got money. But they show... For me to even mimic it.

But it look like it, bro. You know what it is when you talk about prop money and we acting like we getting shit and it's the nigga that's just giving us the shit for the video. It's all semantics at the end but I'm saying when Dwyane Wade said when Dwyane Wade When Dwyane Wade went to the club and spent money It wasn't because of a rapper. He was watching it was because the shack came in. This is what Shaq's doing. So we're we're mimicking What about Shaq? But think about it. What was Shaq?

Shaq was a rapper. But that's a stop. He's an entertainer. He's an entertainer. But what I'm saying is we are mimics to what we are around, right? So if I'm around my teammate and my teammate is going to the club, my teammate is getting work, that's what I'm following. I don't give a fuck what Jewel Santana's doing. I don't know him.

I'm watching him on TV. I'm watching him on... I don't know... When we watch MTV Cribs, we didn't say, ooh, I want this because of this rapper. It's the NBA dude. The NBA dude got his jersey collection. I want the jersey collection.

Before we get to the NBA, before we get to the league, there ain't no teammates here. There ain't no none of that. It's, man, I can't wait to get that. When I get that, I'm going to get that. I'm not next. I don't know.

I was like, yo. But when we got the money, did we go do that? No. That's different. No, we didn't. That's different. But we didn't do it. That's different.

I'm talking about the ambition and the influence to have us go try to get that shit came from what we were watching. We was looking at that shit like, damn, Big Thomas, Lil Wayne and them, shit, I'm a nigga from the hood too. So what kind of come up do I gotta get to get to that shit? We wasn't looking at our teammates then, but like,

once we got the bread, once we got the bread, it's like, oh, that Louis bag that I seen that nigga with, that Christopher Jones, 10 bands? Send who with? I'm about to get that shit. Send who with? Whoever. Your teammate?

No. No, nigga, I seen the shit on TV. You seen the shit on TV when you was 10 years old? No, no, no. I was 14 years old. Okay, so you seen when you were 14 years old. Louis Vuitton, Christopher Vans. And when you was 20, what?

When did you get in the league? 19. You got in the league at 19? No, 20. You're 20 years old, so six years later, you went after the bag you seen at 14. Yes. The same way when I was watching Darnell Harvey at the McDonald's All-American game, and I said, Mama, I'm going to do that.

I'm going to be in that game. I'm going to be in that game. You know what I was in? I was in that game. That makes sense. You're watching Darnell Harvey,'m going to be in that game. I'm going to be in that game. You know what I was in? I was in that game. That makes sense. You're watching Darnell Harvey, a basketball player, in a game. Why wouldn't it make sense for a rapper? If I'm in music and I like music, if I mimic to be Tupac and I'm sitting there.

Rappers want to be hoopers and hoopers want to be rappers. Facts. But I'm not. We're not. Stop. You're not. I'm an elementary dude. You're not're not. I'm an elementary dude. You're not, though.

I'm an elementary dude. Now you're putting it into a person. I'm an elementary dude listening to Tupac, and he talking about champagnes and balling. I do not wait seven years, eight years later to get money to mimic some shit I see when I was 12, right? But you weren't. No, you don't do it. When you get there. You're saying you don't do that.

You didn't do that. When you get there, you you get to the level and what room you're in today The millionaires when we're little we're not millionaires So obviously we're dreaming of something when we get there where they're in real time The stuff I buy is coming from the room. I'm in He buys a Maybach. Oh shit. Who got you that Maybach? Let me go buy that. I'm buying it. I'm not going watching MTV. I'm not going MTV. That's you being competitive with niggas you around.

Cameron got this. I'm going to go buy a Maybach. I'm going to buy a pink Escalade off the 35s. I'm not about to do that with a nigga next to me. I'm not about to be like, oh, I'm about to go get what he got because he got it. No. That's lamer. That's lamer. Oh, yeah. Tiki got the work oh, I'm about to go get what he got because he got it. No. That's lamer. That's lamer. Oh, yeah. Tiki got the work

so I'm going to go get the work. No. Your whole life, the whole thing you talk about is work. No. I didn't go get the work because Tiki had the work, my nigga. No. Okay. No. Chat. Chat. You've heard McCann's talk for a year and a half

or a year. All his influences that he said, did he ever say it came from a rapper or Ticket? And what influence are you talking about? Basketball influence? You mean how to become a better basketball player? Anything you said. Work. Basketball.

Work. Clubbing. No club. Smoking weed. Ticket didn't club. Ticket didn smoking weed. Take it didn't color take it in club Take it in club. So you got that you went to the club. That's wrong. That's wrong Ricky this is your story. Yeah, so I story we did it come from smoking weed Did it come from Snoop Dogg understand it come from Snoop Dogg or did it come from the ticket? Listen? We were all smoking weed because of Snoop.

Let's just be real. Because he didn't smoke weed, he can't say that. Who did you? He can't say that. Okay. Who did he say? Who did I say? I said, when I met Ticket, we all smoked weed together in the summer.

That had nothing to do with him. Who was his influence? I smoked weed in college. Did you smoke weed? I smoked weed in college. Who was your influence? What is he talking about? Who was your influence?

So you're trying to make a point that doesn't even make sense? We're talking about culture hip-hop and influence when I talk about a teammate that made me go go buy some shit No, we all had ambitions to buy shit if you were broke cuz you were not Okay, so the testimony is gonna come from a nigga that didn't have who was looking up like damn Dip set dip set and cash money cash money no limit no limit damn when i get or if i get i know what i'm gonna go buy because when i got my bread what did i go buy i didn't go buy what my motherfucking teammates was buying i went to go buy what i said i would buy when i got it because of what i seen we can only go off of what you actually say on this

couch. That's it. And what you have said on this couch is the influences that you went through didn't come from dip set. Bro, we're talking about basketball. Any time an influence I've said has to do with the

actual game which came from the people I played with. That has nothing to do with buying shit or doing anything outside of the sport. So don't try to use that. Okay, again. You want to keep interrupting? I'm going to let you talk. So we're going to try it again.

When you wanted to upgrade your hotels to presidential suites, was it because a birdman said it? Or was it because a ticket said it? When you was going to clubs in Utah and partying popping bottles, did it come from Diddy popping bottles or did it come from the teammates that you were with? Jay-Z, Chris Stahl. Did you watch any Jay-Z videos? Yes.

Okay. Did you buy Chris Stahl? Yes. Okay. Did I buy Chris Stahl because of Jay-Z? Who else was buying Chris Stahl? Again, you're saying that today, but I can only go because of who else was buying Cristal again? You're saying that today, but I can only go off of what you said for the last year and a half in the last year You trying to get away you came the last year of the last year that you've told every story in the brand

You've been doing has been coming from the influence of the people you around that as we're why in Basketball Gilbert not living lifestyle everything you bought everything You've bought everything you do it Kevin Garnett. Oh Brandon. What do you guys what you said? I get both day points, but I do feel I get both day points for sure like when I was young Yeah, of course I wanted to buy this up when I got to the league though Like I can say like when I started smoking was because I was fucking Rasheed Wallace It was certain things if I saw Michael Redd come in as a I'm a rookie

Yeah, I saw Michael Redd come in with a nice car shopping at Louis Vuitton I started just you know, it's just certain shit that I've seen from my peers from basketball that helped me though. Like yes, I Can see them from a distance But I'm not gonna be able to feel the same unless I'm in the presence in which you're around your teammates. Sure. But I get both points. You bought Escalade your rookie year. Uh-huh.

Did you ever consider putting Lamborghini doors on them? No. Okay. I bought an Escalade, right? I bought an Escalade not because big timers was on. I bought an Escalade because Jason Richards and Troy Murphy said, yo, let's go get some escalates That's a great conversation to him and that's just okay

But we're talking about it for that's what I said. I got what he was saying because yes just cultural but our culture is basketball So, you know, that's what we look at What people you want people want to be rapper when you say how are you speaking? I gotta speak for you too. You can't cuz that my culture came from hip-hop. That's it. Just hip-hop hip-hop Hip I played all sports hip-hop and hoops culture though very much Saving him. I'm not saving him from what nobody Truth is the truth You're speaking in general I'm not speaking to journey more I'm speaking for for what this is. Are you trying to tell me to get out? You're speaking in general.

I'm not speaking in general anymore. I'm speaking for you. Can you ask me? I'm going to ask you a question. Answer it. I'm a host, but I'll answer it. Answer it. I'll step outside of my merely hosting.

Anything that he said influenced him just period in life? Life. Life. That means everything. Did it come from rappers everything did it come from rappers or did it come from basketball

that sounds like a question exactly exactly how the fuck did he answer how the fuck did he answer a question about my life

what the fuck are you talking about Gilbert you can only ask me I can only give you that answer okay let's try this again you don't want to ask me because I'm not going to give you the answer you want.

Let's try it again. That's why. No, no, no. Let's try it again. He want me to say what he want. You can't tell me about my life. Hold on. No.

What the fuck kind of shit is that? Hey, Josiah, tell Rashad that he's wrong about the wolf who influenced him in his life. Okay, let's try it again. Since you've been sitting on this couch. Since you've been sitting on this couch is I'm sitting on this couch anything that has to do with his life What has came out his mouth? Yeah, we are basketball show. Uh-huh. So we talked a lot about the air and I have no idea just say I have no idea I don't remember we talked about a lot of shit Swap his ass just to get a little I just want to ask, what came out his mouth

is all I'm asking. The shit that comes out your mouth when you say, ooh, I wanted a presidential suite, so I wanted this car, this car. I never heard Jay-Z in my life. I ain't never said I wanted this car, that car because of a teammate, Gilbert. I

bought cars nobody even had when I was in the league, nigga. Fuck you talking about? Nobody had the whip that I had. What car is that? Nigga, I had the 645. BMW, it just came out. Nobody had it. 645. Drop top. Cranberry.

645 what? Cranberry with the cream guts and I had the spinners on it. 645. And then I got the Range Rover Sport because when it first came out, it got it. Who was driving

the Range Rover Sport? Girls. I got one. It don't matter who was driving it. Nigga, I got it when it came out. I changed it out. I changed it out, though, because it was too small. It was too small, and I got a girl car. Then I got the work.

Where'd you get the work from? CL 63. Another NBA car. Have you noticed every car he named is NBA car? It's my job. Every car he named is an NBA car. Nobody had it. Nobody had it.

Who had it first, though? Listen, listen. Who cars was those again? No, those are NBA cars. Nobody had it. Who had it first, though? Those are NBA cards. Nobody had it. All right, listen, listen. Who cards was those again? No, those are NBA cards. All NBA cards. No, no, no. They're not NBA. He had a 645.

He had a 645. They are. They're cars. They're cars. Yeah. But ain't nobody influencing me to go get them. Ain't no teammate. I'm not looking at no teammate on my team.

It wasn't a rapper. No one had it. It wasn't a rapper. No one on my team. No one had it. It wasn't a rapper. No one on my team pulled up on me. It wasn't a rapper car. It was mine then. It wasn't a rapper car. I'm a rapper.

He got a 645 with the spinner. I had a 745. I'm a rapper. Up your shit. I'm a rapper. I had a 645. Nobody had. I know I had the 745.

So what? Seven. Well, I got to be about you now. Now you want to talk about you know I had the 745 so what seven why I gotta be about you Yes, now you want to talk about how I'm just saying what you doing is that you are bring take take that out of there Don't do that You would make it about me then you want to make it about you all of a sudden Name me the rapper that you seen had the 645 car Go now you can go on because he can't name one because he's seen it from another player. Now go. Thank you. Double text. You've seen the 645 in the summer

and you bought one. So who was the player? It don't matter. Who was the player? Everybody had the 645, 745 in the summer. You didn't have it. I had the 745. Exactly. So it wasn't you. And I seen Chris. So it wasn't you. I know. I'm just saying. So who was it? name the rapper name the rap I don't know

Proving you wasn't painted into the rappers. I will Okay, how did you go by your boat because puppy was riding a boat in the ocean no I did really was I did rent one because of the big stop all right video Papa, we're never happy Our code I got no patience and I hate waiting sound get your ass in If you sing anymore, we're going to get in trouble. He ain't no hip-hop nigga. He ain't no hip-hop nigga. Yeah, we all hip-hop dudes, but we both say the same thing. Let's talk about influence, though.

We got around our teammates. We bought it. Let's talk about influence. Let's talk about influence. Spirited Down, Gilded Man, and Pretended by Underdog Fantasy. All right, let's talk about influence. For their 30th anniversary, they actually... Obviously, influence is a rapper from him.

But I'm a rapper. All of a sudden I influenced myself For their 30th anniversary the iconic slam magazine is doing a countdown of the 30 most influential basketball players that have defined their 30 years So let's take a look at number 26. Which one am I where am I? We're gonna talk to slam go figure it out, but 26 got the one and only legend from Queens Skip to my Lou figure it out. But at 26, got the one and only legend from Queens, Skip Tamalu, also known as Rafer Alton, his government name. That's the magazine, baby! With only 10 high school games played and entering his first season at Fresno State after going the JUCO route, Slam called him the best point guard in the world you've never heard of. He was

a legend before, and he's been a legend ever since. So we had the professor on the show last week, talked a little bit about Skip's impact, but I want to hit all of you as hoopers, we're talking about influence, talking about the game of basketball. How influential was Skip to the culture of basketball? I ran and bought that same magazine. I bought that. That one right there, took it on to my dad and said, yo, this is the best point guard in the world you've never seen him before right that that's like this is the best point guard ever in the world and then i remember going to it was the following year when the use uh ucla to play in um at the runs and he was there he was there and i was like all in all and i got on the court he came down to me he did some skipping my little down To me he did some skip to my

To me he did some other the shit that I read in the magazine So to me if I had to replay what he did he probably put that shit between his arm and it rolled down and passed I don't know what he did, but I could tell you this all I know I was thinking about So he did something I turned around Like day, I was whoa told my daddy, he's the real deal. Skip feels like one of the first real rock stars for our generation. I obviously remember getting the M1 mixtape. Gil had a similar story.

I used to play in the Joe Weekly Run Shooting Dunk League, similar to the Drew League, but at Crenshaw High School. So my brother's high school teammate, Tremaine Folks, played at Fresno State with Skip. So that whole crew came down there. We were probably like 16, 17-year-olds having to play against them. They busted our ass. But just seeing them on the court, like just the aura he had around himself and playing a more structured, organized game didn't really do the Skip shit. But we all knew who Skip Tumalu was.

So Rashad, when you talk about Skip and his cultural influence, what influence does Skip have on the game of basketball? His transition from streetball to pro. I think just to show that you can be a streetball legend and then be able to transition to that point guard that ended up, you know, playing for Houston and Jersey and all those other teams, that he showed that it's possible, the possibility of, you know, coming from nothing, given the opportunity, you can make it. For Brandon, true PG on the couch, obviously a little younger than us, but what influence did Skip have on the culture of basketball? I mean, like I always say, man, when I was 11 years old,

I saw Skip Tmallu on the AM1 mixtape, man, him coming down, skipping and doing like that, throwing the ball between his legs, passing. And I was just like, I think I practiced that move like every day, every day. So just him and being able to get to the league and have a great career too, got paid, everything. So when it comes to street basketball, I mean, he's like the ultimate, like he's number one.

And I don't even know if we'll see another one come from streetball make it Yeah, you know just hearing the story right only played like 10 games in high school Was getting into some shit I think went to either Ventura Community College or Fresno Community College or both before latching on Fresno State But even that Fresno State team led by TARC and just kind of like, you know there for those who've been to Fresno Interesting place in Central California, but to have Fresno rocking like that, I think they had the show on Fox Sports, if I'm not mistaken,

you know, with Chris Heron and all the other stuff going on. So even like that squad and what that meant to the game of basketball. Gil, what happened? Something happened. Nothing, man. I heard the bubble go. What? I heard it, Gil. Let it go. Nothing, man. I heard the bubble go. What? I heard it, Gil.

Let it go. Oh, Lord. Okay, never get along. Black here for a few months. We were talking about Ray for all since Skip came out. I already did my thing. I already said it. Okay. Okay.

Did you watch those Fresno State teams? No. I wasn't watching college basketball then. I didn't know nothing. I just seen the magazine. I was in Slam Magazine. I was just watching the Slam Magazines, bro. And you didn't watch those teams play?

No, never. I mean, no. Squads. I can't tell you what. I mean, Arizona, just the shoes when they had the pennies. Yeah. That was it. Mike Bibby and the Natty game, right?

Uh-huh. And then Chris Webber with the timeout. That's really most college basketball, bro. When you're a kid, you're not really watching college. You're watching the pro pros. You're watching college around March Madness, though. You are? For sure.

Yeah, the tournament. Yeah, everybody's watching the tournament. Yeah, I didn't. No? You weren't watching the tournament. Come on, man. Back then, man, when Jason. Speak for everybody, man.

I'm going to say back then when North Carolina, Jay Will and them was that. What? You wasn't watching them? Come then, man, when Jason... Speak for everybody, man. I'm going to say back then when North Carolina, Jay Willingham was that dude. What? You wasn't watching them? Come on, man. Woo. Jay Willingham. College basketball enthusiast.

Yeah, I'm going to say watching y'all, like, that shit was... You had to. You had to see what your competition was. Who them niggas was killing? I see March Madden. He's the next niggas. I'll watch NBA.

Jay Martyr, Cincinnati, that crew. I'm just saying, like... Yes. Melvin Lever, the helicopter. First of all, he was in during them years. No, y'all still in high school for K-Martin, that crew. Oh, yeah, you would have been because I was a freshman. We should have been the same grade.

Yeah, I was a freshman. But no, you wanted to move ahead. Yeah, I was a freshman. Yeah, you're right. Appreciate you. My daily news coverage expanded out to you. Shit, I didn't even watch college basketball when I was in college. A little harder to do then, obviously.

Shit. Like I said, you got to was in college. A little harder to do then, obviously. Shit. Like I said, you got to watch your competition. For sure. But shout out to Slam. Mr. B, also named in the 30 most influential players at Define Slam Magazine. Oh, for real? It came out?

I don't know if you knew that. Oh, shit, no. We'll talk about it at a later date. But another spirited episode of Gil's Arena. We got one more segment left to celebrate us being deep in the midst of Black History Month. And as always, they may disagree on certain topics, but as soon as these cameras turn off everybody's laughing, giggling, being friends with each other.

Y'all be making it seem like there's issues. Y'all be making it seem like- Nah, y'all trying to get me involved. I just want to host. I'm merely a host, as I've told you. I love it. I love when y'all argue. I get nasty.

No, that's just start my week. I know, I do. Start my week. It's like, you know, I mean, I'm a basketball player. I'm a crazy nigga. I'm a basketball player. I'm always emotional and whoa, whoa, whoa, all this shit. Y'all paint this narrative of a nigga, but it's okay.

I'm a basketball player. I still say what's up to niggas in the street. I influence him. What's up, my nigga? How y'all doing? Y'all good? I'm embraced by the culture. Appreciate y'all. I influence okay. I'm a basketball player. I still say what's up to niggas in the street. I influence him. What's up, my nigga? How y'all doing? Y'all good? I'm embraced by the culture. Appreciate y'all. I influence him because I'm a basketball player. Hip hop, basketball. Cool. What's up, man?

That's why I hang with all the rappers. They know me. The rappers know you? Yeah. The rappers know me. Every hooper thinks they can rap. Every rapper thinks they can hook. They all know me. There was this rapper that I remember. There was this rapper back in the day that, like, he used to, like, perform, bro. He was a good rapper.

His name was, like, I think Sonny Black? Sonny was doing this, like, Sonny Black. Bars? Yeah, he had bars, too. And I remember he wore my jersey because they was like, yo, you know, I influence, because I influence rappers to wear my jerseys. It was the only jersey I had. Wait, what?

Wait, we got a picture of that? Anybody got a picture of Sonny Black? Because I had got rid of all the other ones. It was like, I got to wear this one. I didn't want to just wear a tank top. Oh, wait, you Sonny Black? Anybody got the picture of Sonny Black? Can somebody pull up Sonny Black right here?

You know, this rapper. That face, bro. Here, somehow we make it about Gil. No, no, no, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying, Can anybody get the picture of Sonny Black? Can somebody pull up Sonny Black right here? That face, bro. Somehow we make it about Gil. Somehow we circle back around and make it about Gil.

No, I'm just saying, because you know when you're saying... And his influence. He's not even a superstar. I'm just saying, you know, the rapper's influence, and I'm just trying to figure out why this rapper Sonny Black got basketball shit on if he's a rapper. Because I'm a basketball player. What the fuck? I'm a basketball player that rap. Why wouldn't I show love to my hoopers?

Exactly. I got to see it. Nigga, that dude sang about his life. He was in there spitting his shit in the...yeah! That's just like when I'm hanging with Lil Wayne and he's had on a Kobe Bryant jersey Performing a Kobe Bryant song well while we secure that Well, some information do we have a journey was it do we have the first mostly fans video ready to go? Was headed I need I need the album

And I ain't gonna lie you sp you was spitting bars, though. What you mean, am I going to lie? I know I said I'm not going to lie. You was spitting bars. Bars. You was spitting bars. Yo, no, he just spit some bars the other day. I know.

He was spitting bars. My guy Sonny Black, right there. But just let me know y'all want to make it about me, shit. I can give y'all some more shit. I got a lot of shit y'all can put up there. Sonny Black. Sonny Black. If you're going to promote me, you got to put the king, because that ain't the name. It's King Sonny Black. King Sonny Black. That's why I got to give y'all some more shit. I got a lot of shit y'all can put up there. I need black. Sonny Black. If you're going to promote me, you got to put the king,

because that ain't the name. It's King Sonny Black. King Sonny Black. Yeah, King Sonny Black. Yeah, do it right. All right, let's get into Mostly Fans, presented by Underdog Fantasy. What's up? If you have not done so already, download the app.

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You got it. 2.5 mil- To watch a game? To watch a game. Did y'all see- who was that, uh, the family? Uh, Christian McCaffrey's. Christian McCaffrey's family talking about what? We're gonna chat about it. Like the amount of bread that it takes to get to the game.

But our first question is from Mostly Fans user Rinaldo9. Hey, guys. Quick question. Why the older generation of players hate on the younger generation of players? Is it because of the big contract slash the money or because they wasn't that talented? So why did the older generation hate on the younger generation?

I think that's more just universal. All niggas love to hate. No, it's like I would be hating if I said you need to take that beanie off with that suit on and it's 90 degrees outside. That would be hate. He'd be like, ooh, this is fashion.

You hating on me because this is fashion. Nigga. These niggas be, what you talking about, man? Leave me alone. Go ahead, y'all answer this one. No, I just think, no, I just think just in life, like I don't think OGs or like a lot of us weren't taught. You know, like a lot of our OGs wasn't taught to, you know, be able to help or they, you know, just don't know.

So I don't really think it's hate. I just think it just comes from a place of their OGs or whoever was bringing them up didn't show them the type of love. That's just life. I mean, just life. The older people think that, you know, the younger one is weaker than them. And, you know, like back, you like back when your parents used to say, well back in my day, this is the way I, you know what I mean? So it's more of, because they are considered wiser

and smarter, that what we're doing is somehow invalid to who they are today, versus when you were the same age, technically, I'm in front of you. But most of us are thinking from where we are now with a new thought process. So we always look back and say, well, if you think rap, this generation or the generation before hates this one. But if you think about it, the generation before them hates them. The generation before them hates them, you know, James. It's a endless cycle You know what I mean, James, you know, you know hip hop the hippie now that generation

What do you think they think about the generation before them when he was talking about drugs and stuff like when where's the happy music at? Right. So it's just it's just how it moves It's because you know, the older guys are now looking from a whole different experience of different values of what they... For sure. Jay-Z and them sold drugs, right? They sold drugs. That was the thing, right? Poppin', I'm selling drugs. It was great to be a drug dealer. But in reality, if you sold drugs, think about that generation. Those generations will, people have kids.

So the years y'all was selling drugs, those kids would be what now? 18, 19, 20, 21 to those parents. And they talking about doing drugs. Right? So this is your product anyway. I gave it to y'all parents. So y'all the crackheads to you. I gave it to y'all parents. Yeah So y'all the crackies I sell it to your back baby. Do the crack babies

So we talked about haters, but let's talk about somebody who always shows love I feel like Allen Iverson should be the standard of being an old dude Gives love to everybody, you know, the varying amount of daps and hugs will let you know how much you love you But everybody's getting at least one dap, one hug. I saw him with John Moran a couple years ago at the Iverson Classic in Memphis. I think it was like 10 dap hugs. No, that's him. What? That's him.

But 10 daps. I don't know what the county. He might cry. Five minimum, yeah. Five minimum, but 10. And he'll shed a tear. Right. Love you.

Near tears. But it was like, damn. And let me know. I need to stop being a hater, get my life together. But we got one more question. It's from a mostly fan user, DaddyMC. You can't hear me say any type of names on the show. Yeah, you can't.

DaddyMC. I got a better name. Delicious. So this is a, I ain't calling no grown man delicious. I ain't calling no grown man delicious. So who is the greatest Michael Mike ever between Jordan, Tyson, Phelps, and Jackson? I see how you snuck Michael Phelps in there, but... I'm going basketball, I'm going Michael.

Michael Jordan. I'm going Michael Jordan. Yeah, I mean, I'm going Michael Jordan. All Michael did was just gamble. Everybody else got some fucked up shit with him. Michael Jackson, for sure. Michael Jackson, the greatest Michael ever? Absolutely.

Without a doubt. There's not even a question. Five years old. ABC, one, two, three. Getting it. Bubbles. Bubbles. Never, never land.

Never, never land. Never, never land. You got your own amusement park, nigga? No. Yeah, but what Mike created for basketball though is like, is different. Moonwalk. Like, I mean, there's a lot of great artists. Did he make a moonwalk?

No, but he made a logo. I mean, he made a lot of shit. Was he fucking with Diana Ross and Princess Diana? I mean, well, we don't know who. I mean he made a lot of shit. Was he fucking with Diana Ross and Princess Diana? I mean what we don't know who Probably I mean probably we don't know who Michael and then he called the song dirty Diana I don't know which one of you bitches did this to me, but It is black here she month so let's just read the back of ladies George six-time NBA champ six-timetime finals MVP, ten-time scoring champ.

Mike Tyson, youngest heavyweight champ all-time at 20 years old. Phelps, 28 Olympic medals, 23 gold. I'm pretty sure he rings last. I'm just cultural. I mean, culture-wise, I'm just saying he's going to ring last.

I'm pretty sure in the swimming community, he's number one. He's that nigga. Yeah. I'm just saying he's gonna ring last I'm pretty sure in a swimming community. He's number one I'm just gonna throw it on a limb to the Michael Jackson most consecutive week the number one album in the country 37 weeks I gotta watch that y'all seen that that we are the world joint. I just I breeze by yes, you know I don't want to watch that Because In a sense, these probably generational, probably the greatest singers of all time, and they put their egos aside to make this beautiful song. And you look at now, it's like, how come y'all can't do the same shit?

Like, what makes you guys better? Besides just that's it. That's the standard. There should have been someone. Wasn't Usher? Trying to do something like that? No, no, no. I don't know if it was We Are The World

but there was this thing where Usher was like a little kid. It was like Tevin Campbell, Usher. All of them doing a song together. They were all doing some type of harmony, but all of them was in it. I was like, someone needs to put it together again where all these musicians actually do something for just life itself. For sure. But who? Who we gonna pick?

That's the thing. I mean, shit. But back then, we actually- Because how many singers was. I mean, shit. But back then we actually... Because how many singers was it? No, back then it was real musicianship back then. The type of names that you mentioned, they all played an instrument. Lionel Richie and Michael who wrote the track. What was that?

I'm sure they were looking around like... Stevie Wonder came in and couldn't get a hold of Stevie. Stevie, Stevie, where you at? Some of you niggas don't need to be singing this shit. Yeah, Michael was looking at that girl like... The Michael shade in there was sick. Michael was like, I ain't say none of that, L. Oh.

You're trash. Oh. Bubbles, bubbles, spring bubbles. He said, but if you just believe. Michael said, park it. Michael was like, man, park that shit, bro. Park that shit. I'm glad I'm over here Yeah, we all brought it back together tied a nice bow on here

Do you have any final thoughts before we leave the people for that see you out here? No, I was just trying to look at that video that I seen it once it was like Luther Vange Ross It was like, Black Man Unite. That might have been it. 95, was that it? Black Man Unite, I think that's it. Was it? Don't play any audio games.

That was the Million Man March. Yeah, it was. Okay, so something called Black Man Unite, and it had all of them. Yup, that was it. Okay. Can we do like a 10 hoop? I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's like, you know what I mean?

When you're talking about artistry, they all put their egos aside to do something that's great just for the generation to remember. I love how we all put our egos aside to bring everybody their favorite basketball show, Gills Arena, presented by Underdog Fantasy, every single day. Come together as a family collective.

May have differences of opinion, but at the end of the day everybody's opinion deserves to be heard it's like a room talk man yeah man all this thing was gonna do was take it right to the court and bust your ass now nigga and always thought about you can't guard me one-on-one you're just talking about music that's it man, yeah, man. Just finished the fourth EP, you know what I'm saying, of the book, Challenge. And then she met me. Ooh, all the work you took. Hey, hey, hey. Around the world.

I'm reading that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Niggas talking around the world. I'm traveling around the world still in work. Going around the world. Chapter one. Miami. Chapter two go around the world. Around the world. Chapter one, Miami. Chapter two, China.

Leave that book here, ball. Leave that book here. I got to read this. This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy.

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