Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Reacts To Kyrie COOKING The Wolves In Game 1

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Gil's Arena Reacts To Kyrie Irving COOKING The Minnesota Timberwolves In Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down Kyrie and Luka Doncic carrying the ...Dallas Mavericks over the Wolves and discuss how this win impacts the series & an already gassed Timberwolves team. They also react to the announcement of the 2024 All-NBA Teams, giving their thoughts on who deserves their place, who got snubbed and compare the official list to the Gil's Arena Predictions made before the beginning of the NBA Playoffs. Finally, they react to the rumors of the billion dollar NBA TV rights deal that would increase a supermax contract to nearly $100 million per season and break down LeBron James' recent comments around JJ Redick as the Los Angeles Lakers next head coach and the relentless stream of hate on Caitlin Clark. Please consider giving us a like and subscribe!!! Today's Crew - Rashad McCants & Kenyon Martin Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $250 in Bonus Cash AND A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@GilsArena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! - https://discord.gg/underdog APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ CHAPTERS: Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:55 All NBA Team Reaction 0:05:56 Who Can Crack All-NBA 1st Team Next Season? 0:17:49 All NBA Snubs 0:23:58 Luka's Hall Of Fame Resume 0:27:48 Playing Through Injury For All-NBA Deals 0:38:06 The MINDBLOWING New Supermax Deals 0:42:15 Kyrie Answers Ant-Man's Challenge 0:49:23 Were The Wolves Gassed In Game 1? 1:08:19 Debating Who Wins The Series 1:29:13 Game Plan To Slow Down Kyrie & Luka 1:31:40 JJ Redick Is Pat Riley 2.0 1:55:42 LeBron Defends Caitlin Clark 2:11:27 Gil's Arena In The Building For Sparks v Fever 2:24:10 MostlyFans 2:25:15 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:14 This is my story. This is what I was doing when I was a little. Y'all don't know what goes on in practice. Or the locker room. welcome Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Woo! Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Woo woo! Back out here, last show of the week. Keep that energy going. Who got Kyrie? None of y'all?
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Starting point is 00:02:30 Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. I know,
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Starting point is 00:03:58 They were out there putting in work. The NBA released to all NBA teams for this season. But did the square media voters get it right? And we got our hard picks, too. We're going to go recap everything that we said was going to happen, see if it did or not. And the Lakers think J.J. Reddick could potentially be the next Pat Riley. But can Reddick handle the pressure
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Starting point is 00:04:29 and you can receive up to $250 in bonus cash and a special pick-em. So I believe we have the picks for tonight. These are the most popular. Tyrese Halliburton, higher 19.5 points. Siakam, higher 3.5 assists. Siakam, higher, 3.5 assists. Obi Toppin, higher, 9 points. Kenny, I believe you picked him game one.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Yeah, that shit was 7.5. He did that in the first quarter. And Drew Holiday, coming off his season high 28, higher, 14.5 points. So go ahead, get it going. You know, if you want to make some bread. If you don't, do what you want to do. Don't listen to us. What do we know?
Starting point is 00:05:08 I like two of those. I like two of those. Okay. Which ones do you like? I think I'm going to keep rocking with the Obie. Mm-hmm. Yeah, now you know, huh? Yeah, yeah.
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Starting point is 00:06:01 So Wednesday night, NBA announced to all NBA teams for this season. Now, this was the first season with a 65-game minimum requirement and the first time that the teams were positionless. So let's get into it. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life, but you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And, of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for.
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Starting point is 00:07:13 SGA did play in America coming up. So Jalen Breslin and Anthony Edwards secured the two top spots on the second team, with both making their first ever All-NBA teams and were joined by KD, Kawhi, and AD. And the third team featured LeBron, Steph, Sabonis, Tyrese Halliburton, and D-Book. So Bron extended his record making his 20th All-NBA team and is the youngest and oldest player in NBA history to make an All-NBA team. So that's how it broke down.
Starting point is 00:07:43 This is the final list according to the Square Media, 99 voters. Shortly after the regular season ended, though, our Gills Arena crew gave their all-NBA picks. So let's see how close that you guys got to the actual list. Good. I don't see it. It's coming. So we're going to...
Starting point is 00:08:02 Damn. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We've got to build up the anticipation. So let's start with Rashad's All-NBA picks. So, Rashad, you got four right on the first team, three on the second team, three on the third team
Starting point is 00:08:15 for a total of 10 out of 15 correct. Not rolling. The voters betrayed you. No, no, no. I fucked up with the Luka ant, but I like ant. I was just playing ant because I picked Ant, but I knew Luka was going to make it.
Starting point is 00:08:26 This nigga's crazy. Yo. Yo. Something serious wrong with you, man. You know that? Antonovich. Huh?
Starting point is 00:08:34 Hey, you know something wrong with you, right? With what? You do know this man like was like third MVP voting and led the league in sport, right? Nah, like I said,
Starting point is 00:08:41 I picked Ant because I like Ant. It was just bias. I understand, but you just damn, damn going with the facts. Yeah, right? No, like I said, I picked Ant because I like Ant. It was just biased. I understand, but you just damn going with the facts. Yeah, yeah. I picked him because I'm biased. You don't mind?
Starting point is 00:08:50 You just said, fuck it. Yeah. It's just like you said, you like, you know, you like Ray over Luka. No, I like it, but I'm not going to put him on second team because I like him more. Okay, so, you know, I was hoping. Because I like him more. I'm going to be logical with his time. I was hoping, you know.
Starting point is 00:09:08 He was who? I don't think I put Giannis on mine. You what? Damn, Gil. I'm first-hand. Y'all boys crazy. I was told. It's a bonus, too.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah. Y'all crazy. I'm sure. Okay. So, now let's move on to Kenyon's picks. And this is when? When was this made, though? I believe back in April. Okay, so now let's move on to Kenyon's picks. And this is when, when was this made though? I believe back in April.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Day of the Lobster. Oh, yeah. So Ken, you got four right on the first team, sacrificing a perfect score out of respect of Embiid, who was ineligible. Yeah. But nonetheless, you had to show your love. And two on the third, two on the second team And two on the third team For a total of Eight out of fifteen But again I'll
Starting point is 00:09:47 Preface that It'd be with NL But nonetheless Who did you put there though You did the same thing I did You did the same thing I did
Starting point is 00:09:55 Just fuck the facts Just fuck the facts No but man Like I said Damn the 65 games You went With the nigga You said
Starting point is 00:10:03 Cause you like him more Yeah man No I didn't go I said Cause damn damn the 65 games the man that was 35 when he played Shit like who would you to put on the first team? Said again, who would you have put? Who don't I have up there you had in beats or if you didn't have Embiid, who did you have put? Tatum or Ant? Tatum. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:35 And finally, Mr. Arenas, here are your All-NBA picks. So you also put Ant on the first team, but you got four right on the first team, four on the second team, and three on the third team for a total of 11 out of 15. It was the best score amongst the Gills Arena crew. Is that Giannis, man? Your Giannis disrespect? I penalized him. You did?
Starting point is 00:11:02 I penalized, I mean, you know, when he went 17 and 19 at the end, I'm like, how can you be all NBA first team? Well, his, but you, see, see, see. I know, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. how can you be all NBA first team? But you see. I know. That's what I said. That's what I said. I penalized him. For Doc. For Doc. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:11 And then Ant-Man, it was like, how are you not going to put Ant-Man when his team was, I think they won, what, 57 games? Yeah. 57 games. Tie for the top in the West. Yeah. The game in the West. Yeah. Well, the game is the game. Ben Chilwell and Brown.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Yeah, Paolo didn't make it. Jalen Brown. Wait, who the fuck did they have? Hmm? Who did they put? No, the actual list. Halliburton. Sabonis.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Yeah, Halliburton and Sabonis. Halliburton and Curry. Curry? Yeah. The LeBron Curry booker. See, the third team was a popularity. I was going to say Curry. Because you can't leave them out.
Starting point is 00:11:52 It's a popularity thing. What? That just cost Tyrese and Max a whole lot of money. What? Ah, yeah. Remember I said, yes. I'd be damned if you put it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:04 You remember I said that. Like, God damn, I'd be damned if you put it. Yeah, you can say it a minute. You remember I said that, like, God damn, I'd be damned if I get double max on him. You were saying that about Halliburton, too. Halliburton, too. So what are you most surprised about with these All-NBA teams? Can we put the official All-NBA teams back up just for the sake of reference? So what are you most surprised about with these 15 gentlemen who were selected to Adam Silver's All-NBA?
Starting point is 00:12:27 Kawhi. You think he should have higher or lower? I just think he didn't do enough. He didn't play a lot. Well, he played a lot. Yeah, 68 games. He played a lot for Kawhi. But you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:12:40 If anything lower, I don't care. It wasn't the Kawhi that you compared to the like Benchero. I Think he got snow But do you feel like Paolo should have made it over Kawhi? Yeah If anybody and I just point out Clippers were fourth in the West Donovan Mitchell Cuz he had enough he had some Kawhi. Yeah, because I put him there for a reason. He had a good year.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Hold on. I'll pull him up for you. He said 68 games. Played 68 games. Average 24.6 rebounds, four assists. Shot 53% from the field, 42% from three, 89% from the free throw line. That's a good year. That's a good year.
Starting point is 00:13:20 He got that re-up. That's a good year. Ventero, damn near. Ventero, 23? Yeah. And Paolo thisup. That's just like Benchero. Damn near. Yeah. Benchero 23. Yeah And Paolo this season. Shoot, what Tyrese Max average? You said it. If I was 76ers, I was not having it. They were making phone calls like yeah, he ain't ready So Tyrese average. Is that a namesake? What? Second team for Kawhi?
Starting point is 00:13:50 Because of the history and longevity, you know, when you got years of being in there. You have a solid year, and he has a solid year. Just like Bron. Bron has a solid enough year that you can't even say he not. And people would have put Bron on the second team and Kawhi on the third. It's like I can't complain because on either one. I mean, who made it? No, actually, LeBron belongs on the second team. Yeah. Over Kawhi? Over Kawhi. Like it's like I can't complain cuz on either one. I mean who made it I will actually
Starting point is 00:14:11 Blowns on the second team. Yeah over over quiet. Why why think what Lakers were three, you know Oh, I'm browns doing against the Clippers. So this has nothing to do with teams. He says though, right? Well, I mean, it should but if you got Jalen Brown not making the list, but I'm Sambal, I mean just the business big for all this supposed to be higher But you're talking about record Jalen Brown. Who is saying, but the Clippers used to be in this, Big Four, all this. Supposed to be higher. But you're talking about a record Jalen Brown, who is he going to be in front of on the first team? I'm not saying first team, I'm just saying not even making it. Oh, Jalen Brown, I'm thinking Jalen Brown. Because you had Jalen Brown on the third team.
Starting point is 00:14:35 So it would have been Booker off. I would have been cool with that. I would have been cool with that too. No, Booker's stats is still, and his team is, I mean, they was five? That's the same with Kawhi. Kawhi's team was what? Jalen Brown's team was still. And his team is, I mean, they was five? That's the same with Kawhi. Kawhi's team was what? Jada Brown's team was one. I know.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Jada Brown's team was one. Devin Booker averaged 27, 7, 5, and 68 games a season. Was close to 49% from the field, 36% from the field. They had this big show. They had been either Curry. I mean, I knew Sabonis because it was like, how do you keep the guy off that had that who led the league in triple-doubles? So I was like, man.
Starting point is 00:15:08 What are Steph's numbers? So to your point, Sabonis had 26 triple-doubles this season. What was Steph's? Steph was 26 points, five assists, five rebounds, 45% from the field, 41% from the field. I know that's what I said. Everybody was watching. That third team, we was like, ah, it could have been anybody.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Yeah. And obviously we get into the debate about American Hoopers versus international Hoopers. You have four international players, if you want to include SGA, who's from Canada but played. There's always four. Four out of five. There's four.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Every year is the same four. Why does Halliburton make it? Because he led the league in assists. He led the league in assists. It was up until the play-in tournament that he was playing very, very well. We was like, oh, shit. Then after that, it was a huge drop-off. Yeah, but he still averaged.
Starting point is 00:16:01 He led the league in assists. It was a double-double still. It's weird because it's like his double-double is we like it, and then Trey Young's double-double we frowned upon. Yeah, bro. It's weird, you know what I mean? Never got a chance to do it. They don't like Trey for that. But Talley's assist to turnover ratio was absurd this year.
Starting point is 00:16:21 No, no. For real. So he averaged, what, 11 assists, two turnovers. That's crazy. Which is crazy. That's insane. Had a few games. Because I, because, you know.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Zero turnover games, big assists. Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, I'm not mad at him. That's, that's. Best offense in the league this season. Halliburton did have
Starting point is 00:16:42 44 double-doubles, points and assists. But, so four out of the, four out of the five on the first team, international players. Three. Oh, yeah. in the league this season. Halliburton did have 44 double-doubles. Points in a sense. So four out of the five on the first team, international players. Three, oh yeah. Nobody else on the list technically.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Obviously Sabonis, Lithuanian, American, but was born in Portland, so we keeping him. They can have him. Just for the sake of debate, but... They can have him.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Big deal? Is that a big deal? Not a big deal? Five out of the 15? You guys talk about... It's the same four. It's the same four. All-Star, name the same, it's the same four.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Very top-heavy, though. It's the same four. No matter how you look at it, it's the same four. All-Star, it's the same four. No matter how you switch it up, it's the same four, and the only newbie that's going to be there will be Wimby. Right? Another big, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:17:28 And then just based on regular season, postseason success, do we feel like this might be the last time that Ant-Man misses the first team for a while? Don't know. It's heavy. It's heavy. I think it's a toss-up between the first team, second team. Because you've got Lucas, Shea Because you got Lucas, Shea. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Lucas, Shea. So we can guarantee damn near Lucas, Shea, Jokic. Yeah. That's damn near guaranteed three moving forward. Giannis too. Giannis can bounce back and forth. Giannis is giving you 30 and 12, 13 every year. His numbers can go down. Think about MB. MB don't get hurt. Yeah. With healthy 12, 13 every year. His numbers can go down. And B, think about him.
Starting point is 00:18:07 He don't get hurt. With healthy him, he don't. And we're talking about positionless. He plays 65 games. He's first. Yeah, that's what I said. So it's like, so Giannis 30, 12, seven assists, shot 61% from the field.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I mean, if everybody's healthy, you're talking about. The same five. It could be the same five for a while. Nah, I don't think he's first team either. Because he will have the record. He has to share responsibility, so his stats wouldn't match. That's fucked up hard. And he's not crazy.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Facts, bro. I feel the same way. I used to feel that way, but now I see the talent rising. These boys good. These boys are good. And Jason got to raise his level of play. That's what you guys talked about, though. Does he start to need to sacrifice his own individual stats?
Starting point is 00:18:55 Like we drop a couple more games, but I'm putting up 30. That's the problem. We're still number one. That's the problem. When you start really getting to talking and you start saying, hey, man, Lucas' team is going to be 4-5 every year. He averages 35. He's guaranteed first team. I'm sacrificing a winning,
Starting point is 00:19:08 and I'm averaging 27, and I'm going to be second team? The fuck do I need these wins for then? And it kind of makes you think back selfish. Let me ask you this. No, no, no, no, no, no. It doesn't. Let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:19:20 What's the difference in 27 and 34, 35? The way you get it? The way you get it. A lot of points. But what's the difference? What does Luka do more than Jason Tatum? Tougher shots. Rebound, I mean, assists and free throws. That's true.
Starting point is 00:19:41 He gets to the free throw line. Jason Tatum don't get to the line. So that's every game. Well, Luka's what, top three, four free throws attempted every season? That's what really changes you from efficiency. No, free throws. The efficiency of getting to the line and adding another element of scoring. And Luka's not a great free throw shooter.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Facts. But he's still getting it like and so that's Yeah, look it was top four free throw attempt to season has 608. That's what that's what I say them have 497. That's the That's what helps Trey young to read it over well guess who we leaving out John Maria We're for Demetrius. We're forgetting about Ja Morant. You're talking about Ja, you're talking about Wimby. I'm just saying, like, those two.
Starting point is 00:20:29 The only person that can sneak into the first, like, that five right there, goddammit, they going into the season as a favorite every year. Right now, the only people who can sneak in there is Wimby. Ja Morant. You don't think Ja can? Ja is going to be with Tatum. Ja is going to be with Tatum and Ant-Man. Ja is going to be Ja, Ant-Man, Tatum in that second. And if Zion keep creeping up the way he was creeping up at the end,
Starting point is 00:21:00 he got to be in the conversation. This is our team. You know what I'm saying? Depending on how good the Pelicans are, you know what I'm saying, he could creep into second team. And that first team is nasty. You're going to need a historic year to get on that list. Or you're going to need that 65 game.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Please keep us together. Please keep us together. Some Tanya Harding going on. 64, 64-four. So can we pull up that list one more time? Please follow up. Has there ever been a dominant five? Like, without the record, has there ever been a dominant five you can have guaranteed on first team?
Starting point is 00:21:43 Because this is crazy. I mean, I mean, Cole, yeah. Who was the fifth we were saying? It's Luka, Joker,
Starting point is 00:21:50 and B, and who else? Who was the fifth? Not one of them two. Yeah, yeah. It's them four. Take them out
Starting point is 00:21:56 and put them in B. So you can keep SGA as a guarantee every year? Hell yeah. Nah, hell nah. Because AD could have
Starting point is 00:22:02 went first team. Fuck no. Fuck no. If they put up a little bit more numbers. If the Lakers would have did better, but that's the problem. But even though, like, I know. You know, AG's averaging.
Starting point is 00:22:12 See, the problem is SGA's averaging 30 guaranteed. Guaranteed. You're going to guarantee that. But it's not first team. It's not a first team 30. It's my team needs a 30. It's my team needs 30 for me. But number one in the West, like...
Starting point is 00:22:28 If his team was third in the West, he's still his first team. The man is averaging 30 or something. Like, there's 35 or 5. His number, that's what I said, his numbers didn't go up. Even if Luka goes down to 33, 32, 31, he's still first team. KD pushes to 30. We're keeping him down? He ain 32, 31, he's still first team. KD pushes to 30. Is he keeping him down? He ain't, but that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:22:49 He's got to do more than just score. Everybody who's on second team, I guarantee second team, they're older. So they're not going to be pushing him younger. So when you look at this list, is there anyone here we don't think will make another All-NBA team? All-NBA? I mean, the only person who's on the back end is Steph. Kawhi?
Starting point is 00:23:15 I think Sabonis and Halliburton. Nah, Sabonis is a stat stuffer. I think he only got it this time because that spot was open for a debate. spot it was open for a debate That spot was open for a debate and he got it just because they're they're talking about BAM should have deserved that spot Hail right. It's and that's I said the same thing
Starting point is 00:23:36 I'm like will BAM got with all defensive and he was ranked, you know certain First team all he did have is a double-double. I mean finalists for a defensive. So they're like, well, why he get this, and then he don't get this, and then Sabonis didn't get none of this, and then he put it. So it's like just the conversation around it for Sabonis, boom. But then I look at Halliburton, I'm like, man, you got other guys that play at a higher clip.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And even though the assist thing is the assist thing, but it's not a – You could have played with that third team any way you wanted to. Yeah, that third team. You could have just pulled from a hat. You could have put ten names. If you would have put Jaden Brown in there, everybody would have been like, all right. You could have put Bam in there. You could have put Maxie in there.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Everybody would have been like, all right. Dame, Trey Young. Like, they all are mad right now. They all like, man, what the fuck we got to do? How he get it, and we've been waiting six, seven years to get here, and he just creeped in with a, what? What did he average? 19 and 13. 19 and 11.
Starting point is 00:24:32 19 and 11. 19 and 11. He creeped in with that? That he creeped in? Yeah, because, damn, I mean, I averaged 30 in. Six and six. I ain't even getting that. You was averaging 30 until you got docked. It's nasty work out there.
Starting point is 00:24:45 So let's talk a little bit, snubs. There's only 15 spots on the All-NBA team. Naturally, some guys are not going to make the cut. So Jalen Brown just missed making his second straight All-NBA team. He was amongst that list. He finished 16th. He made it when he needed to make it. Hey, he ain't tripping.
Starting point is 00:25:00 He like, shit, I mean, hey, last summer was great. Once I got that bread,, he like, shit, I mean, hey, last summer was great. It is. It is. Once I got that bread, it's like, I don't got to make one for a couple more years. Man, I got three years, man. Y'all good. So other players not making the list that we talked about include Paul George, Maxie, Gobert, Wimby, Zion, Paolo Banchero, Darren Fox, Bam, DeMar DeRozan. Who was the biggest All-Star, All-NBAs-ing up this season?
Starting point is 00:25:27 Maxie. For me, Maxie. Tyrese Maxie, man. Tyrese Maxie. Like, the way he played, the way he held the fourth down when Embiid was out. Making it to the playoffs. Yeah. Still with a struggling Embiid.
Starting point is 00:25:42 And it's costing him a whole lot of money. What was his numbers compared to Steph? You're free agents this year. Yeah, what was his numbers compared to Steph? They're the same, right? So Maxie averaged 26 points, six assists, four rebounds, played 70 games, 45% from the field. And what was Steph's?
Starting point is 00:26:00 Steph was? We got Doogie Howser. 26-5-5. So they're the same. 45-41% from three, 92% from three. One made the playoffs, one didn't. It's popularity. Like I said, it was a popularity thing for third team, I think.
Starting point is 00:26:18 We're just, yeah, obviously with the square media, some of those guys that are amazing. They're going to vote for LeBron. They're going to vote for Steph. They're going to vote for Book. And the two wild cards, like Shai was saying, was Halliburton and Sabonis. Right? It's a popularity thing.
Starting point is 00:26:33 So, like I said, LeBron made his. He said they didn't deserve it. But you could have put LeBron on the second team. You could have put LeBron on the third team. You could have. You could have. So, I think it was a popularity contest when it came to the third team. So LeBron, NBA record 20.
Starting point is 00:26:48 All NBA selections. Kareem is the next closest with 15. The longevity, consistency. He got records that ain't gonna... Will anybody come close to that? No. In our lifetime? No. In our lifetime? No.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Damn. No one's physically gifted enough. When you're talking about somebody like Luka and Jokic, genetics go against them. They're slow moving today. When they get 35, what do you think they're going to look like? So you're talking about a guy who you know, when he was younger, he
Starting point is 00:27:31 was at a 44-inch vertical. Right now, he's slowing down. He got a 40, 41, 40, right? That's at that height. That helps. Kobe and Duncan also have 15
Starting point is 00:27:47 All-NBA selections in their current edition of Kareem. Yeah, that's why I said when you look at Duncan, when he got older, it looked like he was, like when Dirk was getting older,
Starting point is 00:27:55 it looked like it. Like, this is genetics. Like, you gotta be somebody who genetically can last six, seven years when everybody else would be falling down. Who's the pappy
Starting point is 00:28:12 Who's the pappy You mentioned Luca just Just looking at it, based on where he's at now, Luka will probably have the best chance to do it, obviously, like you said, if his body can sustain. But by making All-NBA,
Starting point is 00:28:32 Luka's now eligible for the largest contract in NBA history in 2025. He can sign a five-year, $346 million Supermax. So at just 25 years old, Luka already has five first-team
Starting point is 00:28:43 All-NBA selections. So let's take a list that gentlemen, he has five first-team All-NBA selections. So let's take a list. My Lord. Gentlemen, he has more first-teams than more than Steph, AI, Westbrook, Chris Paul, T-Mac, D-Wade, KG, Jokic, and Dirk, to name a few. And he's only 25. So does Luka deserve more love for the success he's had so far in his career? More. He's getting. I career More he's getting I mean He keeps getting no more. So yeah, what else do we need? It's not like he's getting it's not like he's getting snubbed
Starting point is 00:29:13 I'm like, yeah, look at these numbers Five he's in front of a whole Generational at this point though, just from when he's accomplished at 25 But obviously math still in the postseason. What would winning a ring do for Luka's career? His trajectory is already what it is, right? I mean, he's already on a fast track. The things he's doing is unreal for his age, unreal for just basketball itself.
Starting point is 00:29:43 So winning a championship, not winning a championship. He's He's pushed to where he is. Okay, and where is that? Right now if he stopped right today, he's first ballot Hall flame with those sense Which is crazy You say top 15 top 20 ever You say top 15, top 20? Ever? There's going to be some conversation. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I mean, longevity is a thing. Yeah, for sure. If we're talking about just talent, right, and, you know, TMAC is not top 75, but if you say, all right, we're going on numbers. If we're going on just whose ability, came free was a small for you You can't find five five small force. That's better than him with just straight natural talent But you know his numbers is what can I might have been not not what he can do it magically, huh? Don't my Tracy no You know, so, you know, longevity, the numbers itself.
Starting point is 00:30:46 I was about to say, shit, I can name, I thought you said you can't name five Ben Lugos. I was just, shit, I was about to say, what? I was talking about just Mac himself, you know, to keep him out of the top seven. I was talking about Tracy. Yeah. You were about to say, I was about to say Tracy first. But just your longevity helps, right? That's the point of greatness.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Greatness is not a year, two years, five years thing. It's you have to be able to sustain it. It's like a number one hit. You can have a number one hit and do all that, and then the next year you nobody. Right? Two years, three years is like peaks and valleys is what a career is. And, you know, the longer you can sustain being great is what helps you.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Yeah. Well, it's just like saying, you know, joker got the back-to-back mvps and then you add a championship to that you say well damn what more do he what more do he need right and then luca hasn't won an mvp but you know his career is going towards a trajectory to the point where if he does add a championship to it you want to look now at the future assets like okay can he get another one this is it's his trajectory that they're going to be dominant where every time the season starts you're looking at luca to win another championship or is it a paper champ type of situation where he got one because the situation was what it was and uh that's what i looked at with joker it's like if Joker them don't come back and repeat,
Starting point is 00:32:07 that's a paper champ situation where you just happen to add up to Chip's fail where you guys can win a championship. Just like Giannis, Chip's fail the way they fail. AD, Chip's fail the way they fail. So if you can't bounce back and get a double up, where it's a dominating situation where season in, season out, we know you're going to deliver and take us to the finals. Similar to Jason Tatum. Tatum got there consecutively, but he has to take it over the top.
Starting point is 00:32:34 So if he wins, it can put him and Luka in the same type of breath of conversation just simply because they won it. But I think for Luka, if he can win multiple, that's when we're looking at his legacy very differently. It was like, okay, he's doing this since he was 20, 25, he done did all this shit, and he won a championship, and he won two of them. Shit, now we're talking about real greatness. Top ten type shit.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah, multiple championships helps your argument. Yeah, for real. I'm saying when you're the guy, to your point, yeah, you can win one, but I think multiple people can't question you then. Mm-hmm. So, we'll see. You got to get there first. Luke making a name for it. Now, he's doing what he's supposed to.
Starting point is 00:33:27 I'm saying it. He held him up. It might be one of those KD things where by the time he turned 28, KD had all these scoring titles, MVPs, and mother done did everything. And the only thing he couldn't check off was a finals MVP and being a champ
Starting point is 00:33:45 and as a basketball player it's like well these are the things I need right here if I can't get it here I gotta go get it yeah yeah got two of them though but does it feel like yeah yeah yeah I see what you're saying did it catapult did it catapult it didn't so that's not in public opinion and that opinion. Because of the way it was done. Now we have this thing where we can't say a ring and finals MVP matters. And now it comes with a
Starting point is 00:34:15 question mark. How did you get it? Yeah, because if he don't get it in Dallas, if him and Kyrie can't get it done eventually, then what do you do? Right? We got all the numbers all these accolades is It gonna look yeah, it's the teams up and go wins it if he goes with your kids and wins it over there like now Now we question it. I ain't a real one. So legacy is built on Now how you do it?
Starting point is 00:34:42 Just wow. Yeah, but when let's get it straight though. I don't get what winning it is. Winning the NBA championship ain't easy, man. It was, everybody had one. So, trust me. You can get there and you can win it, and then to win multiple, it helps your argument, but.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Yeah, that's why it was so important for Kobe to win one without Shaq. Right? I'm sure he can do it. Same thing probably with Shaq. I got to win one without Kobe. It's these weird
Starting point is 00:35:17 things that comes with you get questioned no matter how you do it because the Mount Rushmore did it in a way that it doesn't exist anymore. You can't pay people low-budget deals to build a dynasty. Dynasties are built because someone signed bad contracts. And that's how a dynasty is built right when you
Starting point is 00:35:46 talk about curry curry his foot was hurt a whole bunch of years where they got him for pennies on a dollar so the the dude who became the best player in the world wasn't paid like the best player in the world right jordan wasn't paid like the best player in the world when they built that team when you talk about um magic magic when you talk, I mean, damn, they tried to sign him over, what, 20 years? 20 years. I think that was one of those 20 years, 20 million. And then same thing with football, right?
Starting point is 00:36:15 They had the Chiefs, right? Those are bad deals. Mahomes with the 250. Yeah, so for you to build, someone has to be tricked into some little money. So it's hard to do that now. It's hard to handicap somebody. The only thing that handicaps them is not making all NBA team. You can try those. Right now we have like John Morant where he's not getting
Starting point is 00:36:45 paid like the superstar he is um he's getting paid is the same as Maxie now right that is like right you know so you know depending on you know the luck of the draw depending on who's going to be the next legacy team yeah I look at the legacy as the Mount Worth from where she said there's only Five players who've been able to do the back-to-backs Maybe maybe six at Tim Duncan. Did they do back-to-back? Hmm. I saw you got magic Back to back so can't include him so you got got Magic and Bird. They both did back to back, right? Then you got Kobe, Jordan, back to back, and then LeBron. Shaq.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Shaq, too. So it's six. Shaq, LeBron. So that's why LeBron is so close to all of them. KD. Kyrie, yeah. Kyrie didn't do back to back. No, no, no. KD, Curry.
Starting point is 00:37:40 KD and Curry. All right, so that's it. What's that? Bird doesn't have back to back. No back to back for Bird? No, Magic interrupted that. Magic got back to back No back to back for Bird Magic interrupted that Isaiah Thomas So you see the handful of guys
Starting point is 00:37:53 Who showed dominance by winning Back to back titles Cement themselves as saying that We wasn't a paper champ we came back And did it again I think that's important for the legacy And I think those guys who was on those teams that led those teams feel that way, too. It's like, well, it ain't about the stats or the MVPs for that.
Starting point is 00:38:12 It's the fact that we came back and did it again. We came back and was dominant again. And we did it with the team that drafted us. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the times are very different. Like, you think about when Kobe won his three championships, he was so damned on the rookie deal. Damn. So, you know what I mean? And then his first deal was 79.
Starting point is 00:38:30 What, it was a 79 million? Back then, that's $79 million max. So, it's really, like, you got to be very smart. It's like if OKC, if they win some championships, they can end up becoming a dynasty because the money is so little with them. When you do pay them, it don't affect your team. So you mentioned OKC, so let's get into some other info in regards to these All-NBA teams. SGA is eligible to sign a four-year, $294 million Supermax in the 2025 offseason.
Starting point is 00:39:02 He would get paid $81 million in the last year of that deal. So talked about Jay LeBron so made his first all the NBA so I know Kenya no wait how much 81 million in the last year that that deal to 92 94 for your 294 extension oh so he's not the 500 million dollar player but we will get him him so him Tatum, so he's 26, right? 25 I believe about to be 26. You know him Tatum. So him Tatum 26 in July. Yeah, so him Tatum and Luca They're in that same age group. So you say he signed for to set to 92 now he can sign for 294 2025 What can Luca sign for $294 in 2025. And what can Luka sign for?
Starting point is 00:39:45 $346. You see how big a difference that is? At the same age? It's a lot of bread. Yeah, you know what I mean? So, like, Luka and Tatum, I want to know what the fuck Tatum's going to get. With Tatum, I can believe can, let me pull it up. But Tatum can do...
Starting point is 00:40:01 No, he can go $40-something, I believe. So 349, he can get the most. Yeah, so he can get the most, yes, because he came in before Luka. 349, I think that's it. He can make more than Jalen Brown, I know that. Of course. He came in before. So Luka...
Starting point is 00:40:21 I think 315 is, or something like that. Yeah, so Luka and Tatum, when they get out of this deal, they might be pushing that half a billy contract. So we're going to talk about that in a second. Brunson made his first All-NBA team, isn't eligible for a Supermax contract because he signed with the Knicks as a free agent. But by making their first All-NBA team, both Ant and Halliburton earned an extra $41 million on their deals. So we talked earlier this season how it appeared that Halliburton was playing through a sore hamstring to reach that 65 game threshold.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Will we continue to see guys playing through injury to stay eligible for all NBA teams? And do you think that it's good or bad for the league with the 65 game minimum? We've seen it. We witnessed it. We witnessed that players became selfish to their contract, which is how it's always been when you have incentives in your deal, right, and you got these extra bonuses and you need
Starting point is 00:41:15 to do some certain things, right, rebounds, free throws, whatever, you're playing to your contract, right? So the fact that it's 65 and there's an extra $40 to $80 million on the line, of course. We're talking about an extra $41 million, right? If I got to limp the fuck out there, motherfucker, I'm limping across that finish line. Like, it's $41 million.
Starting point is 00:41:38 This ain't no bonus of $2 million. It's an extra $41 million, 80-something. I am good, good, good, good. Yeah, be at home. I need a new knee just so I can get it. And we've seen it. We've seen Donovan Mitchell go down trying to get back up. We've seen what happened to Embiid, right?
Starting point is 00:41:56 So, yes, right? Some people are going to make it. There's going to be more that hurt themselves trying to get know get it we seem quite 41 million same deal with Kawhi Kawhi got got it he tried everything to get past it and we didn't see him in the playoffs because of it you're getting paid that much money but your ass out there if you want that money you know that's the whole a work for it work for it all right that's what the owners put that shit in there. There's so many guys when the deal extension thing started to come up,
Starting point is 00:42:29 when Alan Crabb and Alec Burke and all them got that big money because they had money sitting that they had to give away to bad contracts. So they was giving away that money because they didn't want to give away bigger contracts when the actual extension came up. contracts when the extension came up. And once the extension came up, you had to pay guys way more. So they're trying to get rid of the bag early. Now it's, we want you to earn this shit. You're going to earn it now.
Starting point is 00:42:54 So they put the 65 in there to make sure you earn it. So now everybody got to go out there and play. So you talk about just how outrageous these contracts are getting. So according to reports, NBA set to finalize its next TV rights deal, ESPN, NBC, and Amazon for a combined $7.4 billion per year. So when you look at that $7 billion, media rights will likely lock in a 10% cap growth. That is a max that the cap can go up starting in the 25-26 season. So the cap will top $200 million in 28-29. A 35 max salary that year projects to be $72 million. Fifth year on that max deal, $95 million.
Starting point is 00:43:37 And up to $420 million on the value of that contract. So when you look at the growth of this league and where it's come from, from when you guys are playing to where it is now, did you ever imagine a day where an NBA player could make nearly $100 million in a season? Yeah. I mean, we're in a league where the numbers are moving up every other year. So obviously, right, we've never seen any league
Starting point is 00:44:03 that go from $100 million to $30 million, right? We've never seen any league that go from 100 million to 30 right we've never seen it scale backwards so you know at some point it was going to hit these numbers i'm pretty sure back when it was making five thousand dollars a game they didn't think people were going to be millionaires right so who's right you know 20 year 26 million dollar dude We're talking about 500, there's going to be kids that like that's going to be billionaires You know, you're talking about like, not even
Starting point is 00:44:35 this generation, Wimby's going to be a billionaire while he's playing Faster than what LeBron was, and then the generation after that Right, so so you know um Big media's lied to us You should be honest where they say the views down or are they trying to trick us with the views that obviously the fucking views Ain't down if they're giving up seven billion dollars for fucking NBA rights a year
Starting point is 00:44:59 But yeah, I hear point four right so how is the money going up but the view's down? Shut up and tell the truth. I think the way that it looked back then when KG got his big money and Shaq got his big money, that was like $100 million a year. That's what it felt like. That's what it felt like. Shaq got how much? Ticket got how much? Like what?
Starting point is 00:45:23 And now it's like the reciprocation of all of the things that we put into the game and what they see we put into the game. Even what we're doing right now is helping viewership for the game because we're analyzing and breaking it down so that the regular audience members can go in and go watch the game differently and enjoy the game differently. So I think we're all collectively a part of what's going on. The $7 billion is just the tip of the iceberg, though.
Starting point is 00:45:49 I think they're going to renegotiate that because they want to trickle down and reinvest into the WNBA because they see what's happening with that. So now you look at the TV rights and being able to watch simultaneously both leagues and then endorsement deals, like you said, when are we going to be able to tackle that billion just on endorsements alone? No, I'm not even talking about off the court. I'm talking about on the court.
Starting point is 00:46:13 On the court, he's going to hit a billion. How much has Jason Tatum made so far? He's already, what, 300? Just, like, you're counting, like, I think with the four seasons, the one that you said you were talking about, He's already what, 300? 800? What are the signs so far worth the contract money? He has to be in the 3-4, right? Give me one second.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Not yet. No. So career earnings so far are just $120. Then he'll get that $315. What the fuck you mean $120? After his rookie deal, he signed a max deal, right? What is it? Five-year 196?
Starting point is 00:47:07 Yeah, what are you talking about? So 196. So 192, excuse me. So 192. 192 based on through 2025. Then once he gets that max 315, he'll be about close to 500. Close to 500. Excuse me, 507. And then after that, so he won't, like that's it.
Starting point is 00:47:20 So he's not it. It's going to be, like I said, that, damn, it might be. It could be. It'll be Anthony Edwards. It'll be Ant-Man because Ant-Man just signed 219, 2-something. Yeah, 241. He just went up with that extra 421. So it's him that wouldn't be the first probably billionaires
Starting point is 00:47:40 or whoever's going to be coming in right around now. Yeah. Maybe the billion-dollar players on the court we wouldn't be probably more than anybody else probably and rachel you talked about because this first deal is 55 million right yeah bread time you talk you talk about this show and helping the growth of the league so just had to announce to you guys we are also all eligible for super max extensions yeah from underdog fantasy. So, bring some bread. Super max. They're like, yeah, we got the max Magic Johnson deals.
Starting point is 00:48:09 We hit the game's minimum. 20 years. 20 mil. We officially hit the game's minimum today. And then lastly, obviously, with this new deal, TNT, getting pushed out to paint means the end of Inside the NBA after next season. We talked about it last week, but...
Starting point is 00:48:24 They're gonna land on one of them, so they'll be all right. Or we just take their corners over. Yeah. I'm just saying, they've been together forever. They're going to... I'm just saying, you know how it is, J.O. They ain't just going to get rid of them dudes
Starting point is 00:48:39 and they've been on TV all along. Who, TNT? Yeah, they... I mean, Charles can go to... Charles can dip. He's got to opt out. I think Ernie's the only one who... No, I'm saying he can go to's TNT? Yeah. I mean, Charles can go to. Charles can dip. He's got to opt out. I think Ernie's the only one. No, he can go to college.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Right? College. But they don't have. Trust me. They ain't going nowhere. Basketball night in America. But some of them got smart. I think.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Tony Dungy. You know, because, you know, if you look at Shaq's podcast, he started in December. Right? When was that first cut when damn near half ESPN, when everybody got cut? Jack's podcast, he started in December, right? When was that first cut when damn near half ESPN, when everybody got cut? It was in the summer. Right, so when it got summer, Club Shea Shea, Stephen A. Smith, everybody, all of them got smart
Starting point is 00:49:18 and realized they needed a safety net, right? So we're going to use, like JJ, I have this platform, I have my own platform. I'm going to use this, build the audience off of this big, so if something ever happens to me, I have my core audience and I can survive until I find my next move. Right? And some of them didn't look at that warning. No.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Right? You're going to need different platforms so when they cut your legs off, you still got another leg to stand on. Or then build this and then, hey, look who I am right now.
Starting point is 00:49:54 You want to rehire me? Let's go back up. Move around podcast. Coming soon. Coming soon. And you got some stuff in the works. But for all the other analysts out there that want to be analysts,
Starting point is 00:50:08 come on over to Def Row. Facts. Make your offer. You can't refuse. All right, let's get into it. We had Western Conference Finals game one last night. So on Sunday after the Wolves overcame a 20-point second-half deficit to dethrone the defending champion Nuggets in Denver,
Starting point is 00:50:23 let it be known who we wanted to guard in the Western Conference Finals. It's going to be fun, man. You know, my matchup is going to be Kyrie, so that's going to be fun. We're going to see what I can do versus him. So Ant later said that him and all defensive pick Jaden McDaniels will be spending time guarding both Luka and Kyrie. Well, in game one, Luka and Kyrie showed Ant-Man he was barking up the wrong tree. So Kyrie was cooking in the first half,
Starting point is 00:50:50 scoring 24 of his 30 points to keep the Mavs within striking distance. Kyrie was 11 for 14 in the first two quarters of the game. Jaden McDaniels was getting it done offensively for the Wolves with 19 points in the first half. He was 5 for 6 from 3 in that half. Game was back and forth with 14 lead changes. Things got turnt up in the first half. He was 5 for 6 from 3 in that half. Game was back and forth with 14 lead changes. Things got turnt up in the second half. Early in the fourth quarter, the Mavs were down 5.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Luka took over, scoring 7 straight points. It's part of a 13-0 Mavs run to take an 8-point lead with a little over 7 minutes remaining. Luka scored 15 of his 33 points in the final period. Wolves came clawing back. Cat and that man hit back-to-back threes to give Minnesota a 4-point lead. Then Luka and P.J. Washington returned the
Starting point is 00:51:25 favor with a pair of threes of their own. I think he was going to hit the rim. I think he was going to hit the rim. Yeah, so with the Wolves down four with under 10 seconds remaining, Nas Reed tipped in a cap to cut it to two, and then Cat had that Okay, I don't, I've
Starting point is 00:51:41 never jumped that high. That offensive goal Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I've never jumped that high. I'll tell you whatandy? Yeah, that's what I said. I've never jumped that high. I'll tell you what he did, right? If you really look at it, he grabbed it. He could have just normally just dunked the ball right in, right? He grabbed it, held it for a minute, then dunked it back in. So to make it look like it was off the rim. So what's the rule?
Starting point is 00:52:01 It looked like it was going to hit the rim. So they say it was still in the cylinder. But, I mean, from this angle, it's tough to see. But when you see when he grabs it, it looks like you see where it is. Yeah. So like right there, it looks like it's out the cylinder. But so it's not because there's still going to jump and grab it. Right. OK, so when he touches it, it's outside the cylinder. Right. He ain't got a hand on it yet. So right there. It's going to hit the rim. So if it hits the rim, that's that's considered the cylinder right there. He ain't got a hand on it yet. Right there. It's going to hit the rim. So if it hits the rim, that's considered a cylinder?
Starting point is 00:52:28 It was going to hit the rim. When it was coming back down, right? And that cylinder goes all the way up. Yeah, it probably would have hit the rim, so that's not allowed? No, he can't grab it. It looks tough from both those angles, but it still is. Like from that overhead angle, it looks like it goes out of it. That's why he grabs it first instead of just dunking right back in.
Starting point is 00:52:47 He grabs it first. And the other question, it don't look like it would have bounced back in if he didn't touch it. It was going to bounce out. Yeah. It was going to hit the lip of the rim and bounce out. Also, it's not, see, that's why I never jumped that high to hide these problems. Right? I ain't got to worry about that.
Starting point is 00:53:03 So that's your expertise. Yeah, I just grabbed it off and just try to throw it. But, yeah. So, Luka and Kyrie combined for 63 points. Luka had 33, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals. Ky had 35 rebounds and 4 assists. P.J. Washington had 13, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks. Derek Lively had 9 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Kat and Gobert were combined 0 for 10 with Lively as their primary defender. Just food for thought. So, Amon had 19, 11 rebounds, 8 assists, but he was 6 for 16 from the field, 5 for 12 from 3. Like I said earlier, McDaniels, Cooken had 24 and 4 rebounds, third straight 20 point game. Kat had 16 points. What?
Starting point is 00:53:38 Okay, go ahead. What were you saying? No, no, go ahead. Kat had 16 points, but was 6 for 20 from the field, 2 for 9 from 3. Gobert at 12 and 7, Nasri came off the bench with 15. So Mavs got their first game 1 win in the Jason Kidd era. They were previously
Starting point is 00:53:52 0 and 5 coming into this game. They improved to 5 and 2 on the road this postseason. So after the game, Kyrie was asked about Ant's comments before the series started. Kyrie, you at home minding your business the other night. What about it? You put your beautiful family just chilling, probably having a nice meal
Starting point is 00:54:08 and then the young fella says, I got Kyrie. And you said, excuse me? And he said it again. He said, I got Kyrie. That's the most aggressive you've been in a long time. Yes, sir. I know that had to irk you a little bit.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Well, use it as a motivation. You know, when I was sitting at home and I saw it, I was like, it's just a nod of respect. And that no fear mentality that he has is what, is why I love him as a competitor and why I love him as a person. But we're on that court. I know he's going to give his all.
Starting point is 00:54:40 I'm going to give him my all. And at the end of the game, you know, it's all love. And we're in between those lines. He knows what it is, and I know what it is. So what lesson did Ant-Man and the Wolves learn in game one? The same lesson I learned when I said something about Dwyane Wade. Some people you just got to shut your mouth about because they take that shit personal.
Starting point is 00:55:00 But, you know, like we said it here, like we knew that was going to trigger someone like Kyrie, and it showed in the first half. Like, right now, if you think about if Kyrie would have started the first half, like, he started every game before that comment. Y'all would have probably been up 20. But the fact that he took it personal and he showed you and held them together the first half with 20-something points. Like telling Colby, I'm going to shut you down. I'm a Kobe stopper. Think about them people.
Starting point is 00:55:33 I'm a Kobe stopper. I'm a Jordan stopper. Rashad, I see you shaking your head. That wasn't the energy that he gave off. He challenged. He took the challenge. I mean, if we all watched the game, right? All right, Dallas had a scheme.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Every time Ant-Man caught the balls, elbows, and boxes, we ain't letting you get off on your shit and a damn near double-teaming you every time you make a drive. The effort he had to put in offensively and defensively is something he wasn't used to. And that's why he got gassed out in the fourth. Now, you look at Dallas' defense, how they could take breaks and conserve their energy for the offense. It was a great scheme I don't think Minnesota ski up planned to scheme on Kyrie and Luca until the fourth quarter when they got going
Starting point is 00:56:15 There was one-on-one matchup throughout the whole game So when you look at how Ant-Man has to guard and McDaniels has to guard with no help and we just defensive team We're just gonna see what we can do with these guys by ourselves it did not fucking work yeah right so then you look at the other side Kyrie not guarding that man head up exerting energy so he don't have that energy at the end of the game to have 30 so that's why to me when I look at the matchups it's like yeah Kai you could be irked and be challenged by that but it's like if you're not gonna go down and guard him the way he's guarding you The scheme saves you but is it smart on the map? If you tell me you about the lock me up didn't say that
Starting point is 00:56:55 He didn't say nothing about no locking up. He said I'm gonna have to guard Kyrie And he said and I scored 24 in the first half the fuck are you talking about the fourth quarter for? You're doing what you're supposed to do. Get 24 points put on you? Doing what you're supposed to do, but you're saving yourself on defense, too. That wasn't the question. He didn't say, I want him to guard me. The challenge is I'm stopping him because you're the defensive player. Okay, did it work?
Starting point is 00:57:17 I have to take the challenge because I'm the best player on my team. Okay, cool. Just like any other best player on your team. Kobe took the challenge on LeBron, on D-Wade, on Paul Pierce, and all of those guys. But if it didn't work... You have to recalibrate and go do something else. That's what we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Should he have shut the fuck up? No, it ain't got nothing to do with shut the fuck up. It got everything to do with your defensive strategy. It didn't work. Exactly. They got to go and do something different. It ain't got nothing to do with Ant saying what he's saying. It's got everything to do with the team. If I'm averaging... El go and do something different. It ain't nothing to do with Ant saying what he's saying. It's got everything to do with the team. If I'm averaging four points in the first half, every game, and you say you're going to stop me,
Starting point is 00:58:03 and I scored 24 points for you in the half, obviously what you said triggered me. He never said he was going to stop you. He never said anything like that. You publicly say you're going to guard him. Kyrie Irving has to step up and stop averaging four points in the first half because it's the fucking finals. Not because somebody challenged
Starting point is 00:58:19 him. Period. He knows what the fuck time it is. I got to cut it up. But what I'm saying is you're trying to change what he said. He's saying he heard it. I heard what he said, motherfucker, and I took it. So, Connery was averaging seven points
Starting point is 00:58:36 per game in the first half. Seven points per game in the first half. So, let's put the puzzle together, right? So, the narrative against Denver is that Anthony Edwards locked down Jamal Murray. Yes, no? That's what he said. Right. So the narrative against Denver is that Anthony Edwards locked down Jamal Murray. Yes. No. Mm-hmm. That's what he said. No, no, I'm saying today I didn't say he what he said. I said the narrative like listen to what I'm saying young fella the narrative out there with media and everything is that Anthony Edwards is this hell of a defender right and that he that he shut down Jamal Murray during that round, right?
Starting point is 00:59:06 That's the narrative. So that's where the question came from, stems from. You played hell of a defense on Jamal Murray this round. Got Dallas. Kyrie going to be my matchup. This, that, and the third. Said he used his motivation. But the narrative is out there that
Starting point is 00:59:22 he's this hell of a defender. So that's why it's being brought up by charles and everybody being talked about because the narrative out there that anthony edwards is this hell of a own ball defender and that somehow some way he was going to be able to do the same thing that he did to jamal murray that he was going to do to Kyrie Irving. And we sit here on this couch on Tuesday and said, with that mentality, you can't go say that publicly and you're going to have to exert
Starting point is 00:59:52 that much energy having to play this guy. And it showed its ugly head in the first game. So, the narrative is out there that he's this hell of a defender and that he was going to do the same thing to Kyrie that he did to Jamal Murray. And we said no.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Don't do that. And don't. But he's not the same player as Jamal Murray. That's the thing. All right? Jamal Murray don't handle the ball like Kyrie. He's not as crafty as Kyrie. He don't move as gracefully as Kyrie.
Starting point is 01:00:22 And he was dealing with an injury. So it's not the same matchup. It's not the same animal like we said on Tuesday. It's just not. So you can't go into it with that mentality. It's that you got to let the game play out for itself and not be so rave up to play defense against this dude because it's exhausting right
Starting point is 01:00:46 you you over doing all this trying to stop him and you're not gonna do it you're just not like you're wearing yourself up to play defense against this dude and it's you play your regular defense that you've been playing and not have to be that excited about guarding him because you still got to go do it on the other end. Yeah, for sure. Right. So the narrative out there is that he was going to stop and, well, play better defense on him than anybody has.
Starting point is 01:01:15 So in the one game that Luka and Kyrie played against the Wolves in the regular season, I think they combined for 69 points. The Mavs won that game. But do we feel like, obviously, Ant coming off a win in of winning the game seven feeling himself just dethrone the defending champ anything he say could be perceived as disrespect. Play the clip again. Paulo can you play the Ant-Man clip again please just for reference. It's gonna be fun man you know my matchup gonna be Kyrie so that's gonna be fun we're gonna see what I can do versus him.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Let's play the whole interview first Yeah, my matchup is gonna be Matt because the narrative out there is that that he's is great that what he did because they talking about the whole thing Coming off playing Jamal Murray. It's like you don't want to get something Why are you upset that he took it personal dog? Why are you upset that I'm upset? Why are you upset that I'm upset Why can't I just be fucking upset why you got to jump in you want to jump in and choke me out? Cuz I'm over here like I don't like that shit. That's crazy That's the crazy part. Yeah
Starting point is 01:02:20 I'm breaking down. I don't like it. Yeah We still haven't heard you keep going to the fourth quarter like I'm breaking down while I don't like it. Yeah We still haven't heard you keep going to the fourth quarter like I'm breaking down while I don't like it You're being you're being protected not playing the same kind of defense he playing because the Minnesota Timberwolves is not scheming They're playing straight up. Okay, the Dallas Mavericks are scheming Drop shit if you listening to the game and all that shit, that scheme shit is that drop shit, and that drop shit not going to work like we said in this bitch on Tuesday. Listen, man, Rudy Gobert ain't going to be a factor
Starting point is 01:02:54 because of how they got to play because he's a liability. If they don't get up on the screens with him, they ain't got a chance at hell because Luka and Kyrie just going to pick and pro until they get him where they want him, and they going got a chance at hell. Because Luka and Kyrie just going to pick and probe until they get him where they want him, and they going to exploit the matchups. What was the score? So, Mavs won.
Starting point is 01:03:12 By how much? By three points. No, no. What was the score is, this was the point of the score. Mavs won. Someone said that, I can't wait for this matchup. The guy he said it to was averaging seven in the first half. Seven points
Starting point is 01:03:28 in the first half. He heard what you said and for the first time he was ultra aggressive in the first half. It's not the first time. He averages seven points in the first half.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Not the first quarter. First half. He scored 24. Okay? Everybody, history shows when you publicly call out another player, that player hears it and that player shows up. So 24 for Kyrie was the most in the first half of this postseason. He also had 16 against the Clippers in game four in 21 minutes.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Trust me, I know. Yeah. I'm just... Right? Everybody who said, hey, I'm stopping... When they came out publicly and said, I'm stopping Koba. Huh? What do you do? See, what you want to do is
Starting point is 01:04:25 this is what you want to do. You want to call me out, right? I bust your ass and then you be like, why you ain't guarding me? Well, fucker, I didn't call you out. You said you was gonna, you was ready to challenge me. You was ready for this excitement. I gave you all the excitement. Did you come to the, did you
Starting point is 01:04:42 buy your ticket to the circus, goddammit? Cause I'm about to show you something. Can you play the clip one more time for this nigga? It's going to be fun, man. You know, my matchup is going to be Kyrie, so that's going to be fun. My matchup is going to be Kyrie. It's going to be fun. My matchup, yeah, it was definitely fun.
Starting point is 01:04:57 He almost had a triple-double. He had to keep his team in the game another way. Was it fun? I'm pretty sure 24 in the first half didn't seem so fun. It don't seem fun, motherfuckers. When it is an individual matchup, when you love a team game, it was a great game throughout and through. Kyrie showed up and did what the fuck he's supposed to do.
Starting point is 01:05:16 He's Kyrie Irving. Luka Doncic did what the fuck he's supposed to do. Everybody did their job. Just ended up that they lost by three. We're not talking about the three. I don't like the way that they lost by three. We're not talking about the three. We're not talking about the three. I don't like the way that they lost because they could have still won the game because if they win the game, are we talking about that? You got cooked.
Starting point is 01:05:31 He didn't say it. You got cooked by Kyrie. Nobody give a fuck about that. He didn't say it. You get cooked. Yeah. If you get cooked, you get cooked. That's the problem with the NBA.
Starting point is 01:05:39 You're scared to get cooked. And Edwards ain't scared to get cooked. But that's not what we're talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, you're talking about something different then. We're not talking about if he was scared to get cooked. But that's not what we're talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, you're talking about something different then. We're not talking about if he was scared to get cooked or not. We're saying that what he said, it didn't work out for him. That's all we're saying.
Starting point is 01:05:51 It did work out for him. Just like they said on there. It did work out for him. It worked out for him. They lost, bro. It worked out for him. They lost and he lost. They get to make an adjustment.
Starting point is 01:05:59 They lost. They get to make an adjustment. Maybe on his adjustment speed it might make a little difference. They lost. It didn't work out for the team. It worked out for Ed, man, to get to see that he don't need to play like on his adjustment street They lost it didn't work out for the team it works man to get a CD He don't need to play like that no more low. Okay, I don't need to play like that So that means what you're talking about. It didn't work. So maybe next time he might say something different, right? You're trying to argue about words time. They won the game. I mean Ant-Man is gonna continue to play the same way
Starting point is 01:06:20 They did but that's what I said you're arguing about something You lost so nigga. That's it. There's nothing you can argue about next time Okay, okay So we asked the chat to Kyrie answer at man's challenge 91% said yes, but Rashad I got it obvious Fridge upon my hosting duties. No, I'm just kidding Is it obvious Yeah, you about to spill more water on your shirt fucking around and that she just dried up
Starting point is 01:06:58 No, I've been I've been keeping the tally going. Let's all stick together. What's crazy? This is a great cop, but let's get more into it and we're shot. I understand what you're saying And nobody ever understands what the fuck I'm saying. I see all of you. And embrace the challenge of guarding Kyrie. Were you expecting Kyrie to guard and back? Because I think that map scheme of not doing that. No, I wasn't. No, I wasn't.
Starting point is 01:07:14 They have to protect their play. They don't play one-on-one defense. And they've already been assumed to not play good one-on-one defense. Well, that's called good coaching. That's called good coaching. Shit, I know I got two probabilities on here. know I forget in the lives for playing bad defense is because they wasn't playing good team defense where they got to live in Minnesota Timberwolves play good individual defense throughout the season and this is not a team that you
Starting point is 01:07:36 can do that with because they got to it a best one-on-one offensive players in the league you can't do that you got to change up yeah you got to change that drop camera shot whatever they got to change up. Yeah, they got to change that drop cover shot. Whatever they got to change, they got to change. They got to change that drop cover. I'm going to tell you this shit right now. Wolves are going to have to go smaller? Or just Gobert is going to need to move around? Either one or two things are going to have to happen.
Starting point is 01:07:55 I don't know what I'm talking about, man. If you're going to have to demand this motherfucker to be up on the screen, Rudy Gobert and Cat, Nasri, whoever your bigs is, you have to put two on them and make lively what I'm saying. When they made lively, make plays at the free throw line and Gafford, it wasn't that successful. But you let these dudes turn the corner and play one-on-one, come downhill, it's a problem, man. It is a problem.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Because you got two of them. It ain't like you got one guy that you got a scheme for this shit for. They can swing that bitch and he's coming down. It's just, it's an issue. It's an issue. And he's not, historically, he hasn't been up on the pick and roll. So they know this. You listen to Kyrie said that.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Draymond said it. Everybody's like, no. Van Gundy said it during the game. Like, that drop coverage ain't it, man. Oh, yeah, they're going to put Rudy out. They shouldn't be playing Rudy and Anderson in at the same time Because that's two people we don't have the guard so we can just pack the lane Yeah, well caught it. I mean 11 in the game was big in the first quarter, but understand what
Starting point is 01:08:55 Get off his rebound put it back in but from the jump shot I mean you can throw that knuckleball all you want to talk about the fact that he shot five of them is crazy We're gonna keep letting him shoot it. Well, he shot three. I think he three. Whatever it is. It don't matter. Just keep it. Keep shooting it. It's better him shooting that bitch than Anthony Edwards shooting that motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:09:10 I'll tell you that much right now. He was five for eight. Kyle was five for eight, one for three from three. Hey, he going to have to. Yeah. In the playoff series, we're going to make the ball find him. And that's what you guys always talk about. Guy might get some confidence early.
Starting point is 01:09:22 Absolutely. Go ahead. Keep going. I hope you go four for six in the first half from three. Please do. Because guess what? You're going to have to shoot 12 of them in the second half. So let's talk about something else in that game.
Starting point is 01:09:38 Ant, 22 years old, coming off that game seven against the Nuggets, playing in Denver out to two. Obviously feeling himself like any 22-year-old would after beating the defending champs, but appeared gassed in the second half. Really? And talked about it after the game. We came out flat today. That's a positive.
Starting point is 01:09:56 And then we found our energy, then we went back to being flat. So I think it was just on us. Everything was on us today. I didn't get downhill as much. Yeah, just stuff like that. We was just a little tired probably. So Cat also said that the Wolves were tired. The fuck you tired for?
Starting point is 01:10:16 I think it's 22. I can understand him being tired because, you know, he poked a bear. I can understand that because he's got to play offense and defense now. Cat, who you guarding? Who the fuck you guarding? This ain't Yolk. This is a whole different series. Ant-Man has to play real deep because he has two dudes to guard.
Starting point is 01:10:37 I don't buy that you're tired of shit. You just ran around and played that altitude in Denver like that at 22 years old and chased Jamal Murray around and playing. No, that I'm tired shit, no. No, no, no. But I get it here because he's bouncing from Luka and Kyrie. I can get it.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Karl-Anthony, you had to guard Jokic. Right? Cool. Who the fuck you guarding in this to be tired? Who you guarding in this series to be tired? You should be fresh than a motherfucker out there. Because you ain't got nobody.
Starting point is 01:11:18 There ain't nobody bumping you. You got a 6'6", small four, damn near guard. And you're standing prim. You shot nine threes. Yeah, nine out of his 20 shots were threes. You got a 6'6", small four, damn near guard. Guarding you, and you got a... And you're standing in the perimeter. You shot nine threes. Yeah, nine out of his 20 shots were threes. Nine out of your 20 shots were threes. And you're standing in the perimeter.
Starting point is 01:11:32 You ain't down to banging and... This man is guarding it damn near. Rashad, you have some thoughts, it appears. PJ Washington. Did he say we or me? Did Cat say we was tired or did he say I was tired? I think he said we as a collective. I'm not 100% sure though, but...
Starting point is 01:11:53 So Cat could not be tired because he'd be like, I was fresh. We as a team look tired. We look tired. He said the Wolves were tired and Cat were combined 12 for 36. What did he say exactly? We will hunt it down. We was that I Mean yeah, my fucking shoes right Davis. They look tired out there boss
Starting point is 01:12:23 Them they I'm fresh so it didn't play with enough energy just look tired He was using whee's and not me's. Yeah. We, we, we, we, we, you, you, you. Everybody become Frenchmen. You know what's wrong with France? Great country. I understand, but the game was close, right? It wasn't like they came out and got blew out.
Starting point is 01:12:44 I could understand them saying that shit if that would have happened. If they would have came out and get dogs thumped by 20, I could understand, like, it was a letdown. We just came off a tough game seven. I understand that. But it was a close game. And it feels like a game that could have went either way. You guys always say game ones are the easiest ones for a team to steal.
Starting point is 01:13:07 It's not like the Wolves. I mean, they got a lot of positives they can take from this. When your two best players are 12 for 36 from the field, I think they shot 11 for 19 from the free throw line. Cat with obviously that tip-in goes his way. We may be looking at a different ball game, but they did not win. How many dumb plays are we going to see at the end of the game during this playoffs? You have one in particular?
Starting point is 01:13:31 No, it's been a note. Even the Mavs inbound with the timeout with the eight seconds. And the foul, like green foul, the dude on the three. How many times, dude? It's happened entirely too much in these playoffs. It's wild. Who's the bigger team here? Wolves, right?
Starting point is 01:13:59 By far, right? It's not even close, right? Because on Dallas, Luka's the second biggest player on the court. Behind Gafford? Yeah, behind Gafford or Lively when he's playing. So he's the second. How tall is Derrick Jones? 6'6".
Starting point is 01:14:14 Yeah. 6'7". He's an arm. Yeah, just an arm. Damn, I thought he was taller. Right, so how do y'all have 49 threes? How is the team that's supposed to dominate inside have 49 threes and the smaller team is saying, yeah, y'all weak now?
Starting point is 01:14:36 That was the problem. The problem is you guys are a great defensive team. We didn't beat you with threes. We came inside. Beat you inside. With paint points. Where Rudy is and Cat is. We came to your house and got to the free throw line
Starting point is 01:14:58 and attacked that rim when we're the small team and we're supposed to be shooting all the threes. So Mavs had 62 paint points to the Wolves' 38 in the game. That makes sense. I mean, it makes sense where if you're a smaller team, you're going to try to keep them out of the lane where that's where you're
Starting point is 01:15:16 supposed to post up. But if you're the smaller team getting... The smaller team getting inside seems a little weird for a team that has shot blockers and defenders down there just it's a lot of contradiction on but I mean you look at the world to do something to it or big like they're cad now I play more like it's like they're paper defenders you know you gotta work paper champs paper
Starting point is 01:15:42 defenders number one defense in the league league. It seems like it's all paper. Yeah, I just... Everybody do something different. Look at this tape. They got to make a decision what they're going to do about this pick and roll shit. I'm telling you right now. You remember yesterday you were talking about true percentage? Remember that bullshit?
Starting point is 01:16:08 Hey, can y'all do a true percentage shooting on 18 for 49 from a three? How much does that turn into? Because I know they only scored 105. Because I know they took 53s out of damn 90 shots. That seems weird. Like, how does that work? Are they, huh? How does that turn into twos?
Starting point is 01:16:30 Translates to like around 55%. 55% if they took all twos? Well, God. Not if, just with. If you just count a field goal as two points. Did you watch the game? Yeah. I watched it on three TVs.
Starting point is 01:16:43 I watched it twice. Was Dallas in like a zone? Did you call it a zone? Had the bigs back and said that. Did you call it a zone? He experienced it. The first two scenes, he felt like the big was up. Pass, pass, pass, shot.
Starting point is 01:16:56 With no real big presence. There was no flash to the middle. There was no high-low. There was no none of that. So it was really come off the pick and roll. We'll match it. We'll switch it. We'll all drop when you do that. There was no none of that. So it was really come off the pick and roll. We'll match it. We'll switch it. We'll all drop when you do that.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Now you got to swing it. Now you got to swing it. Now you got to shoot it. That's what it looked like to me. So that's why I think that they shot a lot of threes is because the scheme worked. They missed a lot of shots, too, but they missed a lot of shots they could have made. I'm going to tell you the mind of where this is coming from. They got one playmaker.
Starting point is 01:17:26 Mm-hmm. One. We make him get off the ball. Mm-hmm. How we going to play him? We're going to go in to make him shoot jump shots, threes. We got one playmaker. We're not worried about Mike Conley beating us off the bounce.
Starting point is 01:17:42 We're not worried about Alexander beating us off the bounce. We're not worried about McDaniels beating us off the bounce. We're not worried about Kyle economy being us off the bounce We're not worried about Alexander's being off the balance. We're not worried about McDaniels being off the bound We're not worried about Kyle Anderson being us off the bounce We're not worried about cat posting up and I'm bird about Rudy posting up the only threat really offensively they have out there That's a metro problem is Nas Reed. Mm-hmm So jay kid is playing this shit like he's looking at it and like okay this like what I was saying they was boxing elbows they pass motherfuckers off and they making them other dudes stand and just fire threes up so and they gonna live and die by the three or they gonna have to do something different like it's so he said they could do high low right that'll work I don't know if it'll work but they didn't look at it so whose fault is that I didn't
Starting point is 01:18:21 say it was nobody's fault I'm just asking fault? I guess it was Timberwolves' fault. Chris Fitch? You know, Dallas is known for playing the zone. 49 threes, I mean. They've been playing zone for a long time. I'm weird, when the zone come in? Do y'all think, I don't have no idea. Zone came in around like what, 2003, right?
Starting point is 01:18:40 And they zoned in, right? And we didn't sit there and waste our time shooting a bunch of old Jump on jump shot. We knew how to get to where the fuck was gonna get to The other day they go blame this like the code if they lose the West Coast I say gonna blame the coaching situation on dude not being on the front. Did they blame it for? The Timberwolves coach finish not being able to be right to try to Not cuz it was two positions away from winning which but overall I'm saying the series
Starting point is 01:19:19 I think they're doing a good job of mediating because I see him behind the bench talking You know, I'm saying? I see them. Are we too down on the Wolves? Because, Shia, you said it's a three-point game. No, no, no. I'm not saying. Not down on them. It was a very winnable game. That's the point.
Starting point is 01:19:33 Are they going to win a series? Yeah. But the thing is. You think the Wolves are going to win a series? I don't. Because I think the Mariners are going to beat them, bro. You think they're going to shoot this bad? 49?
Starting point is 01:19:43 I mean, they lost by two. Did you hear what I just said, Gil? Yeah, I heard what you said're gonna shoot this bad 49. I mean they'd love to do Did you see what I just said? Yeah, yeah, I heard what you said They're not gonna listen the way Jake hit is playing them. Just watch it again, bro. They got one playmaker They got one and how they guarding him in the picking roles. Mm-hmm They switching it switch boxing elbows them dudes And then they closing out the dude's body making them make they not playmakers off the bounce. I Know I can't I really listen dudes had 63, right? Tim Hardaway didn't play. Well, PJ Washington didn't play well to a Tim Hardaway don't even play but I'm saying he didn't know He don't play don't even play no more. He only played like five, ten minutes. He played ten minutes a game.
Starting point is 01:20:25 But he didn't get no looks. Did not take a shot. He didn't take a shot. P.J. Washington played. That's impressive for Tim Hardaway. It looked like Tim Hardaway has proven a point now. Well, that's impressive for him. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:20:34 It looks like he's perfect. Like, if you look at the last series and they haven't been playing him, it looks like he's purposed. He was hurt. He was hurt. No, he came back. But I'm saying he looked like he's like, yo, you ain't going to give me no shot. He looked like he gave up. I don't know. Well, that dude's, but I'm saying he's like you know, give me a shot It like he's you know, he gave her I don't know what I do is playing well
Starting point is 01:20:47 But I just think I think that was gonna beat them I think the adjustments need to happen on the Minnesota Timberwolves side defensively before we could say Who can do what because if you don't adjust to what Luca and Kyrie doing? We're looking at the the scores the same, but the outcome being... When the Mavs won the game, it was because Luka hit that shot on McDaniels with, what, 30 seconds left? On the right, on the left. On the right, on the right.
Starting point is 01:21:14 The three, the three. That step back three. No, the jumper. The jumper, yeah. The two, the two. When he went right. That shit was, it was a dagger, right? Because that was right after Cat just got called for the goaltend.
Starting point is 01:21:24 So that was a tie game. Like, for the the goaltending so that was a tie game it's like if that don't happen it's the tie game yeah so you're looking at right that possession changes luca makes that move because we're up to this concealed the deal so i'm looking at it like all right if you get a stop right there luca misses that shot we got another chance to tie the game instead of actually saying we got a foul now like that's it's the differences between getting a good stop and having a great offensive player which is goes back to my thing with with ant-man challenging kairi because he knows mcdaniels has to take luca it's the better player like you gotta take that challenge i'm not i mean we don't i don't
Starting point is 01:22:02 think that smoke with luca cooks Luka cooked McDaniels. And he cooked him. You know what I'm saying? So it's like Joker. Joker going to cook whoever in front of him. Kyrie going to cook. If you wake him up,
Starting point is 01:22:13 he going to cook you even more than he would in the fourth quarter without him scoring in the first half. You going to lose this battle anyway if you going to head up.
Starting point is 01:22:21 But if you attack it the way that the Mavs attacked it, they're going to have a tougher chance. And that's how I'm looking at the adjustments for the T wolves is adjust make the adjustments Based on what they're doing now Not what you can do. So what you just said, right? We're saying the same like the same thing but like the swing so if ain't get off of it, right, we'll just say if Minnesota was to try to play the same scheme defensively that Dallas did, right, it doesn't work.
Starting point is 01:22:53 It worked because you can swing it to Kyrie or you can swing it to Luke, and now they got another playmaker, which Minnesota don't have. But for those two, if we work it on both of them, depending're depending on Derrick Jones to hit shots, PJ to hit shots. But they shooting that bitch. They are, but we're going to have to live with that. I'm with you. You know what I'm saying? Because remember the two games that they had, big games in the OKC? OKC tried that same scheme, and they hit shots, so they had to get out of it.
Starting point is 01:23:18 So it's one of those things you've got to live with. You can't allow those guys to just be. I'm not worrying about – I don't think Timberwolves is worried about it. It's like, we lost three and we shot horrible. Right? If they're gonna keep playing their zone, we're not gonna keep shooting 18 for 49. Right? If we shoot 20 for 49, we win
Starting point is 01:23:35 this game. Right? So the fact that we shot really bad, Ant-Man played really bad, our two best players played bad, their two players played great, and we only lost by three. It kind of gives me some hope. It's not like if they would have lost by 20, then there. But the fact that we shot horrible, you played horrible, you played horrible,
Starting point is 01:23:54 and we only lost by three, if that don't go in, it probably changes the game. I don't see them panicking right now. So we'll see. If you play better, but the fact that you lost game one at home in a Western Conference final. Yeah. That's the more. That's all I'm saying. What's so funny.
Starting point is 01:24:10 By 20, by three. It was one shot away from being a blowout twice. Right? Like Timberwolves was up 11, 12. One shot. Luka takes one bad step back. We're looking at a 20-point blowout. Right?
Starting point is 01:24:28 So the fact that they... That's what I said. It's like at the right time, that motherfucker gets smart. Yes. Right? At the right time, it's like he can sense,
Starting point is 01:24:39 like, oh, this... You know, let me drive. Yeah. Right? He just took two bad step backs and he's like, all right, let me drive and take two drives took two bad step backs and he's like all right let me drive and take two drives get a little and one floater boom now they down five again then here comes the three now they down two it's like at the right time god damn it you take
Starting point is 01:24:56 and it's a learning curve for ant-man if you really think about everything that you said in the beginning when you take the challenge and you exert all that anxiety energy trying to stop Kyrie instead of just playing solid defense and if you look at the end of the game when he was gassed we needed that downhill energy from you we didn't have it because you're trying to stop Kyrie that's why Ky knows the edge he slows slows the game down. Oh, you trying to stop me. Can't nobody stop me. But if you play with the energy of containing me, that would give you, you'd give yourself some energy. I think Ant-Man goes back to the drawing board and say,
Starting point is 01:25:39 I can't be so anxious to try to stop him or block the shot or make everyone see me as a great defensive player and just play the angles play the energy I don't need all that cuz now I'm depleted like he's walking back to the timeout like really gas 22 years old. I'm just saying you better back your ass up and pick him up after half court Because the learning curve for that's also he got to learn that you better trust me man, you can't come Pick his ass up That's why I'm saying he got to learn that. He better. Trust me, man. You can't come. Oh, hey. If you're going to do that, let's call you. Call you, pick his ass up, get him a little tired, then I'll pick him up at the half.
Starting point is 01:26:12 Obviously, Ant came in, again, feeling himself as he should with everything he's been able to accomplish this postseason. I think learned a valuable lesson. But, Kenny, like you said, Wolves tricking this game off, but based on how that previous series against the Nuggets played out, do you think it's a big deal for him? I have to go up 2-0, lose three straight, win two more. Stakes are... Significantly higher, but just...
Starting point is 01:26:31 Trust me. Been there, bro. Like, these games, man. Right now, one point, 20 point, it don't matter, man. It does not matter how you get it. How it looks, it don't matter man. It does not matter how you get it. Yep. Here's how it looks It doesn't matter on whose floor it doesn't matter man Only that win and that loss at this place. You know, it's the first of four. Mm-hmm. I got a game up on you now That's right. I stole one us. So now I'm playing with house money going in the game too and then heaven forbid
Starting point is 01:27:07 They had 63 between two of them. Mm-hmm Easily, we know one of them boys can go for 45 at any given day And don't let PZ Washington come out have and go for 20 do you plan see this is? You gotta treat this shit like yeah, okay, we was right there. This is a seven-game game. No, fuck that. It's not. It's one game.
Starting point is 01:27:32 The next one that matters, it's a one-game series. Each game is a one-game series. That's the game that's important. Treat it as if we don't win this, there ain't no tomorrow. Yep, yep. It's a big deal. Okay, it was three-point loss. Yeah. A lot of positives we did.
Starting point is 01:27:50 Yeah. And guess what the Mavericks are saying? The exact same thing that y'all are saying. We didn't play that great. We can be better than these. We stole one. We can do this better. We can do this. Even though we had 62 points in the paint, we didn't shoot well from the three. We can do da-da-da-da. Even though we had 62 points in the paint, we didn't shoot well from the three, we can do da da da da.
Starting point is 01:28:05 Trust me, they saying the exact same thing. So I just, I don't mess around with that, yeah, okay, we should learn, no. Hey, hey, it's pressure time. Because don't, okay, we won in Denver, this is not Denver, this is a whole different series, this is a whole different coach, It's a whole different animal over here Chance of correcting in game two absolutely, but
Starting point is 01:28:34 All that it's a long series shit. I don't buy any of that at all For me, it's one game series each game is one game says how are we gonna play this game right here? Who gonna get the best of this game right here that we're about to play? I see the matchup in comparison to the Denver series like we talk about. The big guard matchup that Timberwolves had, which is why Cat and Gobert was gassed and more tired than they should have been because they had to guard Joker. Then you got MPJ, who was a threat.
Starting point is 01:29:10 Then you got Murray, who was a threat. These are three guys, right? So the Timberwolves now are just worried about two guys and ain't no big that they really got to worry about. So it's a different matchup where it's like if these guys have off-shooting nights, we win by 20. If Kyrie and Luka have an off-shooting night, it's a if these guys have off shooting nights we win by 20 if Kyrie and Luca have an off shooting night it's a 20-point victory so is it that you guys are not playing good enough defense on them or you're not putting a pressure
Starting point is 01:29:34 on them or you're not putting their team in a situation where they got to depend on the other guys because you're gonna you're gonna put them in a position where like you said they can go for 40 any given night, and if you continue to play defense the way you was playing the night before, that's what's going to happen. They'll win the series based on the bigs not having to be a factor. We can keep Cat and Gobert and Nasri out of the whole equation because we're playing where they got to shoot threes all game.
Starting point is 01:30:01 They're not even going to the post. So this is the thing. I think Cat is one-dimensional. You know what he want to do. Rudy is a non-factor. McDaniels can, he's getting there, but he's still, like I said, the only one that has multiple things they can do is Anthony Edwards, right? And Nas Reed a little bit. And Nas Reed. And Nas Reed. If Luke is not making threes, you know where he's going. Yep.
Starting point is 01:30:31 If Kyrie's threes is not falling, you know. And Luke shoots more threes than Kyrie, of course. But Ky's going to shoot some, but he's not relying on that three ball, so you know where he's going. So if his mid-range ain't falling, he's going to try to get to the basket. He's going to try to get to the basket. He's going to try to get to the line. They have more ways to attack you and put them in different ways to be successful with different motions
Starting point is 01:30:50 where I think Minnesota is limited in their approach. I think those differences is why I think Dallas is going to win this series because they have more ways to attack you whether those guys are making shots or not. You got them believing now that they're defending.
Starting point is 01:31:09 If you look at a few possessions last night, Luca was ISO 101. He was moving his feet, bump, boom, boom, boom. I was like, listen, dog, as long as you give me an honest effort, you don't just let somebody one blow by you, you don't give us a chance to help. I'm cool with the way he defended. Hey, man, Kai. Look, coach, I can play defense. I'm cool with the way he defended him and Kai Look, look cold. I try defense. I'm trying so now we can help you. Yeah, right for them
Starting point is 01:31:30 You try we can help you just let me blow by you look at the do blow by you now We ain't got no hell. Yeah, so I'm turn at least one or two times. We good. Yeah, you did your job to test every shot No Can you talk about this this Luke and Kyrie crew being able to go 60 to 70 points? But it don't got to be 30 30, right? No, I can go 40 guy you give me 20 Can you talk about this Luke and Kyrie crew being able to go 60 to 70 points, but it don't got to be 30-30, right? If I'm Luke, I can go 40. Ky, you give me 20.
Starting point is 01:31:52 That's usually it. My guard play, give me anything from 50 to 70 combined for them two, was it probably 13, 10 to 15 assists between the two. Between the two, 12, 13 rebounds from your guard play. As I said, that's your guard play. If you expect that right there, that's their numbers from your backcourt. And then trigger down the rest of it. So, Luke and Kyrie first do it each score 30 in their first conference finals game together since Steph and KD. What should be the Wolves' game plan
Starting point is 01:32:30 to slow down Luka and Kyrie? You have to play the pick and roll. I said it already. You have to play the ball different when them dudes in pick and roll. You have to. That drop, it was proven in Utah when Rudy was in Utah. That drop coverage, the way they was
Starting point is 01:32:47 playing, it does not work this time of year, man. It doesn't work in this game. It doesn't work in this game, but especially right now, because we are going to exploit it. They got two masters with this ball in his hand. They got a mad scientist
Starting point is 01:33:03 over there as a coach. Right? So that recipe is like, we're going to scheme, we're going to put him in a lot of action, man. I don't even know why drop action still is a thing. Like, it's the lazy defense. No, but I guess back in the 90s, back in the 90s, it made sense back in the 80s and 90s
Starting point is 01:33:26 because the point guard himself didn't shoot the ball very well and wasn't aggressive as an offensive threat trying to score. He was trying to run offense. But mid-2000s, I loved when Shaq and Alonzo Mourning sat back there waiting for me to do what I'm pulling up Right here. Right. I'm pulling right that why you think up? Oh, I don't need to go that damn far fucker So the fact that the point guard today all shoot They shoot from the logo, right?
Starting point is 01:34:04 So you drop it at the free throw line. That's a layup for those guys. So why are you even in that defense now? Why does the guard keep going over top? Because you don't go under on a guard that can shoot. Why don't we make him shoot it? Make him shoot it. Whoever it is.
Starting point is 01:34:23 Go under so we can shoot? I'm not saying go under And not contest but remember when we used to play and you go under a certain guy and he shot it It's a contest either for the big or for the guard. It's still a contested shot If you're going under two with a guy that can shoot that's a no-no, but if you look at the drop coverage It's not really a screen there You're going over top because that's just what they're telling you to do.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Chase them, keep chasing. Yeah, chase them, chase them. So what happens when you chase? It puts you on my back and that forces me to do what we train in the cone drills. Go slow, uh-oh, I got him, I'm watching, I'm watching. Boom, I can make my move now with no resistance at all whatsoever.
Starting point is 01:35:03 So if you're going gonna not give me resistance Why would I put myself at a disadvantage and not go under and force us a lower percentage shot one? I'm getting you out of the two-point zone I'm forcing you to look at this three and if you can make a consent to a contested three On the move off the dribble like that consistently at 40% clip Because this is because I'm not shooting the three. What are the guys we're talking about now, I can't. No, we know that they can, but remember, if they're shooting at 40%,
Starting point is 01:35:32 they're shooting at 40% from the series, contested. What I'm saying is it's not contested because you're assuming that I'm going to shoot the first one because you went under. I'm not, right? I'm going to come off, oh, shit, you went under, rescreen, I'm going to shoot the first one because you went under. I'm not, right? I'm going to come off. Oh, shit, you went under? Rescreen. I'm getting lower.
Starting point is 01:35:48 That's when the big should come up. I think you should be up on the first one. But the big, but what I'm saying is. You eliminate all of them. No, no, but because that's his athleticism. No, because he can go back. Yeah, you can go back and forth. I ain't saying you have to.
Starting point is 01:36:00 No, no, but. You're saying be there. You're saying flat show. No, no, but. Get the level of the screen. Yeah, flat show. But we're going to say yours, right? If you're sagging, right, and I come off the first one,
Starting point is 01:36:09 and then I have a re-screen real quick, boom, you're not getting here, right? Right? So because you're down low, you're not going to be able to go down low and try to come up here. So either you're going to be up already or you're fucked because I'm going to come off, oh, redo it, shoot this bitty because if you try to come up, I'm speeding by you. Right? So you're fucked because I'm gonna come off Oh redo it shoot this MIDI Cuz if you try to come up I'm speeding by you, but it's like you're in a bad situation
Starting point is 01:36:29 So you have to be up remember how we used to guard the floppy right or know the double screen from the corner K's coming Second you're the big big and there's the guard taking big always right? So what you did was you trailed the first one and when you shot the second one just like this you can go under the First one trail the second one, uh-huh Because now the second one if you're because you how you saying you would play it as I'm like, all right I know what they're doing that he's going under let's just rescreen that shit right away Bam bam, so I know I don't gotta Kmart on my team
Starting point is 01:37:00 I got a Rudy go bear who's lazy and motherfuckers is just sitting back because it's the easiest thing to do They let him be lazy. Right? So if on the first one we knowing that I'm going under he's not going to take that. You got to be up
Starting point is 01:37:11 ready to trap that. We're talking about eight seconds on the shot clock at this point. Eight seconds on the shot clock. We're under the first one.
Starting point is 01:37:18 We're trapping the second one. We're passing on the weak side. But that's on a double screen. Go ahead. But on a double screen that got killed too. You follow me on the weak side, but that's on a double screen, but go ahead but on a double screen The BAP that got killed too you follow me on the first one you go under the second one that guy's drop pick Yeah, so this is gonna be run right into it. Those are the colors that we use but they don't have them counters So this is my thing, right?
Starting point is 01:37:40 With having guys and drop coverage and they guys say they can't do it and they feet don't work this way or they Like that shit is like it's BS to me right? Yeah facts because Just just take Rudy Gobert. Just take Carl Anthony Towns right in this situation If you throw Carl Anthony Towns the ball on the block And tell them to go get a bucket pretty good footwork Pretty good footwork. Pretty good footwork. Right?
Starting point is 01:38:05 Yeah. So you know how to move your feet when you want to. Yep. Woody Gobert, yesterday, there was a break. They didn't throw it to him, but he was like hustling down the middle, and he asked for it. You're moving fast as hell asking for the ball. They throw you that ball on the drop.
Starting point is 01:38:22 You know how to drop, step, and go to dunk that thing. Your footwork is immaculate then So for me You don't get a pass with me When you know how to move your feet Offensively but you limited Moving your feet defensively Nah bro You can
Starting point is 01:38:39 They letting them be lazy I'm not asking you to go out there and No be up at the level. If you have to make a slide, make a slide. Make them throw the ball in. Be in the way. Be in the way. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:38:51 Be up on the level. Do this at the level of the screen. That's it. That's it. That's a body. Now, that makes me laugh now because what you're saying makes me laugh because it was Stan Van Gunney, right? Dwight had to, Dwight hard showed, got back, stopped the screen, came down, blocked it like one play. He did five stops in one play,
Starting point is 01:39:17 blocked it, someone got it, passed it, dude scored. Dwight, goddammit, Stan Van Gundy called a timeout. So, you know, good defense just messed up. He goes to Dwight, goddammit. Stan Vanley called a timeout, right? So, you know, good defense. Just messed up. He goes to Dwight. What happened? What the fuck do you mean what happened? He was like, why you didn't block that?
Starting point is 01:39:35 What? I stopped the hard show, deflected that two blocks. Hey, they call you Superman. I'm expecting you to stop every goddamn thing. And I'm sitting here laughing like, that's crazy. Because the effort he did put in, immaculate, right? So to see defensive players of the year four times, and you're not doing all of it. Lawrence Frank just showed this clip of me
Starting point is 01:40:06 that we was playing, same shit. Show, boom, boom, boom, I could test the ball in the far corner. Like I didn't show, all this shit on the weak, strong side, the ball got to the weak side and I could test the shot in the corner. Like, dude, it's, he used to show this clip all the time. Y'all wanna see effort?
Starting point is 01:40:22 Watch this. Watch this. If you wanna do it, and you do, you're Defensive Playerall want to see effort? Watch this. If you want to do it, and you're Defensive Player of the Year, right? Four times. So you need... Huh. You're supposed to... Whatever is needed
Starting point is 01:40:36 in order for us to be able to switch defenses because you four times, you should be able to do. This is... I'm not asking you to do it. If you want us to win, listen, I'm demanding you do this. If you want us to have a chance to win and go
Starting point is 01:40:52 to the finals, you need to be up on the screen, dog. That whole thing is, show me them trophies as you got four of them. I don't need you to be a great help side defender. That trophy says defensive player of the year a great help side defender that trophy says defensive player of the year not
Starting point is 01:41:07 help side defender not on the ball it says defense that means all inclusive bitch right when Dennis Rodman was getting it he was all inclusive he had to guard somebody he was picking up 94 feet when he was playing
Starting point is 01:41:24 Carmel When he was playing Carmelone, nigga, he was going Carmelone on offense. You know what I mean? I'm defensive player of the year. Hey, you got the ball. No, I don't. My job is to stop you.
Starting point is 01:41:38 All the time. Right? The ball go in, he's picking them up. He's bumping them full court. Full court. And that's what we expect for that trophy I'm sorry, but this might be the series you gonna have to do it because if they take you out of the game dog
Starting point is 01:41:54 You you should get your trophies back They'd rather go small and and take off the best defensive player in the last decade off the court to go small That you give your trophies back sir cuz you It's a league-wide I'm not gonna Cuz you're right, is it a thing right? It's a little absolutely we go we're gonna go watch summer league right? Mm-hmm summer league those mother when the motherfucker is running to go set a screen they run with them. Mm-hmm I'm running with them because i can't be late what happens is when a guy runs into a pick and
Starting point is 01:42:29 roll that one guy who's next to him he's late for the screen the one thing that guys in the league today are afraid of is being late and being to blame for whatever happens in this pick and roll if you're not in the right spot so the only thing that can cover your ass is to be in drop at least i'm in front of the basket this is rudy's whole mo when he plays a pick and roll it's just like how y'all was in pick and roll how shack was in pick and roll they all had an excuse to say at least i'm still here but you're giving up tony parker twos when we're trying to stop him from getting to the to. He's mastered the shot now. Shaq, you've got to be up to make him make another decision. You've got Kyrie and Luka coming off the
Starting point is 01:43:10 same type of shit. You're putting pressure on the defender where he's like, what the fuck do you want me to do? McDaniel's got two fouls from Luka based on the fact that he was behind him. You can't play defense behind anybody. So I'm always looking at the pick and roll. If you've got Cat out there, who's a more agile defender nazri more agile defender if the coach is keeping them in
Starting point is 01:43:30 drop coverage they have to then think of themselves like damn coach like we might need to change this but how many veteran guys back then would change that coverage on their own i know he's changing it i know tickets changing it's changing it. On the fly. Now, now, now, now, listen. When we go back out there, I'm showing. Yeah, I know Ticket was out there because I seen he popped out. Whoa, what you doing out here, big fella? I wasn't used to you trying to hard show. Y'all wasn't doing that before the time. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:57 Facts. That part. He's like, let me try something different on the fly. And that's the thing. Like, the guards, I don't care what guard it is I wouldn't even give Lonzo ball going right and I know he don't do pull up or back then he didn't do pull-ups going right, I'm still not dropping on him because There's the map giving him a mid-range like they're getting creative now. So that's the game
Starting point is 01:44:23 So the reason so do you have when the drop thing came into play, right? People stopped shooting mid-range. Only certain guys shoot mid-range. So they're like, ain't nobody going to shoot it. So they're trying to stop you from getting the layups and the threes. So the drop coverage is for the mid-range guys
Starting point is 01:44:40 for the non mid-range game that all of a sudden... That was James Harden, Russell Westbrook, guys who for the non mid-range game that oh now what that was that was well James hard and Russell it was coming off the snake even Chris Paul coming off the snake it was like he was coming off the snake for the line for Lob City wait so so so they decided to create a offense that only the elite player a decent plays in a defense a defense that and it only helps the elite. Yes. Because you're only using this against them. No, no. Because it's like, how else are we going to guard?
Starting point is 01:45:13 No, no, no. So they didn't account for Kevin Durant, Booker, Kawhi, PG. They didn't account for them with the scheme that they came up with. No, because they don't have the ball in their hands. They made it for Steph. They made this defense for Steph. For point guards. No, no, no. Not point guards.
Starting point is 01:45:31 They made the defense for Steph. They made it for three-point shooters where we're going to sag because they're going to only shoot the three and they're going to get to the basket. We're going to take them off the line. Right? And I said, so you made a defense that helps the elite in the world because the elite players today shoot mid-range. So when Shade comes off the, he don't want to shoot the three, so you're going behind me and you're going to sit there. Well, fuck it.
Starting point is 01:45:55 This is what I want to do. Now it looks like cone drills to these guys, right? I got my trainer sitting back there. I got the other trainer going behind. He playing. I'm sitting there doing this shit and I get this shooting shot because y'all analytics Y'all analytics in account for the elite players and it's a league-wide
Starting point is 01:46:15 Adjustment that they made like like we said when you look at every team they're playing and fucking drop Yeah, we haven't seen one team up on the coverage not even, we don't even see no fucking showing going under. None of that shit happens anymore. Because this is like, well, if you're not guarding an elite point guard, it's like, why would we even do it? It's either switch or drop. Switch or drop. That's it. So you know when I realized like when I was with the Clippers
Starting point is 01:46:37 and they had DeAndre Jordan doing it a lot. Drop. In the drop. And I went to them, I was like, yo, man, why the fuck they ain't up on the screen? Like, why are we not be on like yo, man, why the fuck they end up on the screen? Wow, like why are we not playing like this be like, hmm? I don't know if they can do it right now that yeah, well make them do it I don't know if they can do it. I don't know if we can do it. Yeah I don't think they dare. Yeah, just that like make them do it right and why?
Starting point is 01:47:03 Why teams on down pickin rolls no more man on the side? Why put the fun aside? I don't know what a pop bag I would what in a strong side corner field ice with the third guy In the strong side corner They run a side pick and roll and you either gonna switch it or try to go do something crazy Dude, I'll be sitting there like dude. Let's keep him on the side. You got three defenders I mean, they use that they use the snake screen on the side and I think that's why they stopped When they I said you got somebody feel that they can come up high
Starting point is 01:47:41 Yes that come up high and if he do get the middle to the guy to be guarding the corner, you take him and I go to the... Yes. Dude, I be sitting there like... Oh, they're going to pop. Yeah, okay. So what? How many bigs is shooting it now? But they stopped that with Draymond
Starting point is 01:47:53 because they used to ice it on Steph. They used to ice Steph and pop it to Draymond, but Draymond put it in the perspective where he can be the facilitator, and they didn't want that facilitation to happen because he could get Klay open. He could do the lob. Stunt him the fuck back. Right!
Starting point is 01:48:10 So he recovered! Man, dude, Draymond, either he was going to be a hell of a pull-up, one-dribble guy, or he was going to be a hell of a three-point shooter if I'm guarding him. One or the other. He's not going to be able to keep out here throwing lob, dribble, hand out. Dude, I'm
Starting point is 01:48:26 going to stunt him back. We're going to, hey, everybody stay home, man. It's effort, though. Think about it. If you're stunting and getting back, that guy who's showing or whatever he's doing in the pick row, got to get back into the play. And then we put in certain schemes. Listen, anytime he in action with number 30, we trapping 30.
Starting point is 01:48:41 Even on the ice, like somebody like San Antonio Spurs, right? When you got to a certain point on the side, it was automatically the ice. And what's so funny is they got back to the pop guy because the person that was icing was the weak side big. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:02 So the weak side big automatically came over. So he'll pretend he's in the ice and he'll get back and we'll go and then it's like, oh, oh, god damn it. And then I can't get to the lane because this big is here.
Starting point is 01:49:15 Yep. So, but hence why, hence why all the rookie centers made all defense came from the same team. Because it pushed them to that guy, and all that guy had to do was protect the basket.
Starting point is 01:49:31 And you're saying with the San Antonio, Tim used to always shoot that little janky-ass free throw line jumper. No, we're talking about on their defense. Oh, on their defense. On their defense, yeah. So even the offense, when we used to ice Tony Parker on the side. And for the people who don't know what ice is Is when you're on the side pick and roll and you push the defense towards the sideline and the baseline
Starting point is 01:49:51 You're pushing them all the way on the side So they don't have an opportunity to come to the middle of the floor And when you stop that they have to throw back to the middle guy, which is probably the trail and big Power forward or the center usually the center because center because he's out of the post area for right now. Guys make shots now, absolutely. Some bigs make shots now, yes. But the masses, you don't scheme it for game to game.
Starting point is 01:50:21 You play every game the same. Same, yep. If I'm the Dallas, Dallas has two nuns shooting big To two nuns shooting big they're not shooting the three Don't give fuck if the shot clock was on zero One they're not shooting it If Kyrie Irving and Luka dungeons in a pit side pick and roll Anyway
Starting point is 01:50:44 What you have on the floor? floor, down it, ice it, blue it, fight, whatever call you want to name it. Get closer to him, make him throw it to him. If he catches it in the pocket, if Lively catches it in the pocket, great. If Gaffer catches it, cool. They're not shooting three, they're not shooting 15-footers. Neither one of them. 16, 17-footers, they're not shooting 15-footers.
Starting point is 01:51:05 Neither one of them. 16, 17-footers, they're not shooting from that three-point line, and they're not shooting unless it's around the rim. They shouldn't still be... Timberwolves shouldn't be in a drop at all. If we look at that scheme, though, let's look at that scheme
Starting point is 01:51:21 with the corner field. Drop coverage, corner field, coverage corner field pocket pass it's a two-on-one on the weak side well you got d jones jr in the corner and you got pj washington on the wing right so if kairi's in the corner field luke is in the pick and roll with lively you drop past the lively he's got got the lob option the G Jones jr But then PJ's wide open for shots and the scramble for that so lively is throwing a lob to someone. Yeah It's like Shaq throwing a lob to Robert over here. Okay Let's change the actual screener then D Jones jr. Is the screener and then I just. Jones Jr. is the screener.
Starting point is 01:52:05 Then I just switch that. Lively is in the dunker. You have to scheme it for player to player. Yeah. Like, God, you can't play every possession and every guy in the pick and roll the same. You got to have... See, this is where IQ comes into play at, right?
Starting point is 01:52:23 I know I got to play Gilbert different in the pick and roll than I got to play Rashad. Fact right? I know I got to play Gilbert different in the pick and roll than I got to play Richie Wilde. Or I know I got to play AI different in the pick and roll than I got to play Eric Snow. Or I know it's different and I got to play Rip Hamilton in the pick and roll than Chauncey Biller. If Tayshia and Prince is helping the ball in the pick and roll, I know what I got to do if he's in the pick and roll with Ben Wallace.
Starting point is 01:52:43 I know how I got to play that because I'm, right? This is an IQ question to play, right? So I'm playing everybody there because there's a different scheme and a different way you're playing it. I'm not, if they run a cross screen for Ben Wallace, I'm not playing my normal defense to beat him to the spot. Yeah, you could delay a little bit. I'm going to go under the screen and please hope they throw it.
Starting point is 01:53:09 Yeah, under the screen, clog up the middle. Because this could delay a little bit. I'm gonna go under the screen and please hoping they Know that and I don't think these dudes have that That IQ to be able to each possession each guy is different each players different each we guarding this guy this way We playing this guy to come up. We're gonna guard the pick and roll this different. We're gonna down him We're gonna show yes, bro. And under on him. We're going to hedge on him. He and the dog, they don't have the capacity to do all that. And I think that's the problem. It's like they're trying to simplify
Starting point is 01:53:33 the game so it's easier to do. That's not how it works. There's a lot of motherfucking dummies out there. They made it younger. Think about it. They made the league younger. And that's why I say the college thing made sense because you learned how to calculate in real time schemes, scouting report, like who could do what, what we're doing on this. We got three different coverages for one guy. We didn't just have one scheme for you.
Starting point is 01:53:58 You did too much shit. We're like, bro, he got so many different options in this offense. We cannot guard him the same way on every option. When he gets it on the side, we're going to have to ice him because no, no, we can't ice him. We got to send him over because Antoine is a pick and pop guy. If we ice him, we full rotate
Starting point is 01:54:16 him at least. He comes up the middle, we got to play it differently. They're not coaching. They're not coaching. Then you're playing it different if I'm off the floor, right? If I'm off the floor, you're not playing the guy the same. You're playing it different if I'm off the floor, right? If I'm off the floor, you're not playing the guy the same. You're playing it different if I'm on the floor. You're playing the scheme different. Like, it's, you know how, and this day and age,
Starting point is 01:54:33 you come up with a game plan, and it's the universal game plan for the room. Right. Like, no, you don't, it doesn't work, because everybody's skill set is different. Everybody's thought process, So you can't. I wonder what the scouting reports look like to be honest. That's what I was thinking the same day.
Starting point is 01:54:52 I was like, man, who can I call to get a scouting report? I want to see that shit. What does that shit look like? I can get you one. I want to see a scouting report, man. I'm pretty sure it's digital. I'm pretty sure it's email now more text message The book cuz you gotta get the reason I need the book cuz I got a look at the page you see this motherfucker Swipe that I want to see is there a wrinkle?
Starting point is 01:55:18 There's a water spot on this shit because if it looked like I looked in college when I return my books, then he's just brand new They know if you look If you went in Like you're used to doing your thing, you know, which a little you know, keep it all the little edge that you Like it's just going like you counting the miles you ain't on it. Yeah I need to see because obviously y'all ain't looking at these shits. I'm sitting there just... Same with the plays. The scrolls... Motherfuckers don't be knowing the plays.
Starting point is 01:55:48 That's why they simplify plays to just be pick and roll. We used to have actual plays where you got to scheme these plays. We ain't just doing this because this is a ducking in right here. It's a pin down on the weak side. It's a curl right here. None of that shit happens, bro. So we asked the chat who wins this series we got over 7 000 voters in 62 say the math there with you kenya damn but y'all talking about schemes uh
Starting point is 01:56:13 all falls into coaching so let's talk a little bit about some coaching situations going on around the league uh lakers had two players make the all nba team but they are still without a head coach firing darvin ham after the team finished seventh in the West and got booted in the first round of the playoffs. So the team is conducting interviews right now, and J.J. Redick appears to be one of the leading candidates. So according to The Athletic, Jovan Buha and Shams, the Lakers see Redick as a Pat Riley-like coaching prospect who could both help the franchise in the short term and lead it for years. So Gil and Rashad, you've previously said you think J.J. would make a great NBA head coach with his strong basketball mind
Starting point is 01:56:48 and ability to connect with players. Rashad, you said, quote, niggas respect J.J. But not all NBA head coaching jobs are the same. Lakers are easily one of the toughest being in a major market, tons of media scrutiny, everything that comes with that.
Starting point is 01:57:03 So can J.J. Redick handle the pressure that comes with that so can jj reddick handle the pressure that comes with coaching the lakers especially as a first-time head coach with no previous nba coaching experience has he coached anything no au high school girls game yeah he might have coached some kids games i don't know but as i said i don't know. As I said, I don't know. I mean, listen. They respect him. His resources, I'm pretty sure Shane Battier, I'm pretty sure Coach K, I'm pretty sure if he gets the job, he's going to be protected with great minds around him. So him himself, I don't know how many coaches
Starting point is 01:57:47 by themselves are great because there's a staff, right? So depending on what his staff looks like, depending on, you know, what he's going to do, but he has LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the team, right? They go out and get a nice free agent.
Starting point is 01:58:02 They come back and win 72 and 10. We can't say, oh, JJ's a and get a nice free agent. They come back and win 72-10. Ah, we can't say, oh, JJ's a hell of a coach. Yeah, the fucking nigga. Yeah, and I'm talking more so, not even from the coaching aspect. You guys say he's a great basketball mind, but all the other stuff that comes with being this particular team's coach. You're Hornets head coach, Cavs head coach. You know,
Starting point is 01:58:19 JB Bickerson got fired today, too, but you're Cavs head coach. Listen, listen, they lose a game, fuck him. But it's different, right? It's a different level of pressure. Who gets blamed for all Laker losses? LeBron James. It rotates. Right? So it don't matter who the coach is. We're going to give it to whoever we're going to give it to. You know, we got to have
Starting point is 01:58:35 Twinkle Toes not playing the way he needs to be playing, right? Bambi Lez, Anthony Davis. If he's not playing well, we're going to give it to Anthony Davis. Right? If LeBron plays well, Anthony Davis plays well not playing well, we're going to give it to Andy Davis. If LeBron plays well, Andy Davis plays well and we lost, we're going to give it to the coach. We're going to find out who to blame on this motherfucker. That's what we do.
Starting point is 01:58:52 Somebody's getting that blood. Somebody's going to get the hammer. Whoever gets the job, I just want to see the staff that they build. That's where I come in at. I just want to see the staff. They got to start somewhere, right? Pat started somewhere, right? Yeah. Pat started somewhere, right?
Starting point is 01:59:08 When he got the job, he had no experience. Pat was calling Lakers games, became an assistant. He was an assistant coach first. For like one year, maybe. Okay, that's more. On a championship team. So when has he worked out? Sposter, right?
Starting point is 01:59:20 He was in the building already. Right, he was a video guy. Years. But years, though, was in the building. So what JJ's doing on the sideline for ESPN, what is that? The dozen. Same thing they're doing on the line, just talking. Same thing we're doing in Joe's arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. And we know collectively, we know if we were able to get a team and really put our knowledge behind the team, we can put him in the right path.
Starting point is 01:59:46 I think JJ, what they're trying to give him credit for without having experience is trying to elevate him so that we don't have an expectation for him. But I think for the most part, you give him an opportunity with the respect the players have for him, the respect the league has for him. It's going to be tough for him to fail unless the players just give up on him. What players? When you say players, you got to respect who?
Starting point is 02:00:11 Which players? Just respect the fact that he's played 16 years in the league. Just his resume. Like Adrian Griffin, he played a certain amount in the league, and he was an assistant coach, and then he still went in there, and they didn't respect him,
Starting point is 02:00:23 and they got his ass up out of there. Yeah was the wrong team exactly so but jj is like it could be it could be a good team for him but that's but that's my question for you with jj is this where the guy with no experiences well when has it worked out former player you can say stever, but that Warriors squad was already... Jason Kidd. He had experience. He had experience. Jason Kidd.
Starting point is 02:00:48 He was an assistant coach. Jay Kidd. I was coming from the front office with the Suns. I'm just saying. Jay Kidd in Milwaukee. So he was never in San Antonio? Let me double check. Steve Kerr was never in San Antonio?
Starting point is 02:01:01 Let me double check. Darryl Fisher in New York. You see how that worked out? No, so Ward was his first coaching job. So I think it was his son's front office before. But he was in the building.
Starting point is 02:01:11 Went to TV and then went from TV. So he was in the building, the son's building as GM, right? Yeah. Some experiences within the building, right?
Starting point is 02:01:21 Other than that, when has it worked out? Doc Rivers? It only... I wait it only works out listen the only people who really get to JK on job number three FYI it's like where did I do, Ty Lue. Where did Ty Lue go? Failure. Oh, Ty Lue was assistant coach, right? Yeah, three Hall of Famers, and it was a failure. Are we expecting the Lakers to... Steve Nash, same thing. But...
Starting point is 02:01:51 But the story when you got Lenny Wilkins, I think Don Nelson. But the problem is, it's always, what kind of team are you starting with? Right? He's, like, whoever gets the job, you have an advantage. Because you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis on your team. You're not going to the Detroit. You're not going to one of these mediocre teams that has no expectations and you have to try to build them to greatness.
Starting point is 02:02:18 You're inherited. I hear you, J.K. had Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. They're old as fuck. Is your playing experience not experience? They old to LeBron? Not this old. No, no, J.K. had Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. They're old as fuck. Is your playing experience not experience? They older than LeBron? Not this old. No, no, no. But were they these two old?
Starting point is 02:02:32 They're not 26. You know I know what you mean. Is playing experience not experience? No. No? No. The game is different, man. When people ask me...
Starting point is 02:02:44 They didn't really play. They. Darvin Hale played. AJ Griffin played. They didn't really play. I'm saying they played. They played, but not Rodley played. But what I'm saying is, look. They was a role player. How we look at the game is, right, we're looking at it like this. We're looking at it 2K view.
Starting point is 02:02:56 They didn't really want a role player, right? We look at it 2K view, right? That's our play. As players, we're looking at it 2K view, right? They're looking at broadcast. They're looking at broadcast. They're looking at broadcast. So their vision of the game is different. So for me to say, all right, I'm going to turn to this angle and then, you know, coach it.
Starting point is 02:03:14 There's some shit I can't see. Like me thinking, hey, why you didn't do that? I got to fuck around. The sideline, dude. He's been broadcasting on the side with ESPN. That's the broadcast view. That's the side of ESPN. That's what I'm saying. That's the broadcast view. That's this vision. That's the side of the floor.
Starting point is 02:03:29 That's TV vision like this. That's the side of the floor, y'all. But what I'm saying is you got this. There's more than coaching. So it's like if you do this. Yep. Is it like you got to be like. That's not the same.
Starting point is 02:03:43 No, what I'm saying. That's not the same. What I'm saying is even for Jason kid. Right. And I talked to Jason and he said the difference is that he's the one who told me I'm looking at it from this way. And that angle is a little different. Right. And so things I think is open. It probably is not. So I got to trust this guy's vision to see it. And then I got to know the subbing. I got to trust this guy's vision to see it and then I got a note of subbing I got to understand players mood
Starting point is 02:04:08 I have an advantage because how I played the game, but I still got to understand it from a different look I'm playing the game 40 something minutes Now I'm watching the game for 40 something minutes. Like I'm a bench player now. I'm looking at mannerisms That's the thing that the advantage I have as Kidd is now that I'm seeing it from this horizontal view, it's a new look. It's a new look, right? So my adjustment isn't that I don't know what it looks like
Starting point is 02:04:33 going the other way. I know exactly what he's seeing because I've seen it. I'm Jason Kidd. I've seen what you're seeing, but I'm looking at it over here now where I'm like, okay, I may not see what he sees seeing but I'm looking at it over here now where I'm like, okay different I may not see what he sees but I know What he's looking at if I know what he's looking at. No, no, no, let me tell you when it was effective though
Starting point is 02:04:53 I hear you. Let me tell you when it was effective When he got to Milwaukee, we had a bunch of young guys. He can go out there and tell me exactly what to do don't think do what I say and the shit worked right but you know when you know LeBron go come out of jail I really do like this you know when players got better you know when you know when players started that look like coaches when they has got hurt and they sitting on the bench for the first time. They get to see the shit. And they get to see it differently.
Starting point is 02:05:28 Now they looking at their teammates and you start looking around like, hey, yo, yo, fucking focus. Like, you know, you start, now you start looking at the game different. Even though when your ass is coming out,
Starting point is 02:05:38 you ain't see shit he talking about. You over there drinking the water, talking to the blah, blah, blah. You don't see right now. Now you get to sit there and see it and, man, that's why you don't get in the fucking game, dog. Over here, talking the whole goddamn time.
Starting point is 02:05:50 Right? And you start listening to conversations, hearing it. When you become a... When niggas is talking about it and thinking about it. That's your thought process. As a game, you didn't see... When you're playing, you don't know what the fuck these dudes is talking about. I'm not on the bench longer.
Starting point is 02:06:03 I'm off the bench one minute, two minutes. Now I'm sitting here 48 minutes listening to niggas talk about everything but basketball. Everything but the game. Man, who girl is that up there, man? This and this and that. And then Coach just subbed your ass in. Oh, hell no. He done changed the pick and roll coverage, nigga.
Starting point is 02:06:22 You ain't got a clue. Clue. Because you ain't been in no time out Sitting there drinking water and shit talking playing or the horn and shit and not a coach and then the coach puts your ass in The game and you see it now a lot You didn't miss this is the shit. I wonder why this motherfucker can't score this the shit He been talking about all goddamn game. That's the difference between a guy like Calvin Booth Who when I play with him in Minnesota good dude wasn't one of the guys that was talking like this like we were we were one of the guys like he's exempt yeah but i was one of those guys too i was one of the guys on the
Starting point is 02:06:54 bench where i'm like all right look how they playing the down screen look how they playing the pick and roll look how they playing the side i'm not even though i can hear all the shit that you're saying that you you you can listen to but it's like if I want to get in the game, I got to be ready for the rotation. I got to be ready for the adjustment. I'm not going to be in the back of the timeout. I'm going to be up there listening to what Coach is saying because when he subbed me in, I got to be ready for the adjustment. So I'm looking at JJ as a guy that was like that when he wasn't in the game. He wasn't participating in the bullshit conversation.
Starting point is 02:07:23 No work-related conversation. None of that. He was over there like, oh, okay, I see. They played me like this, but they played Terrence, what's the dude, Ross, Quentin Ross. Quentin Ross, back when he was the Clippers. They're like, oh, they're playing
Starting point is 02:07:37 Quentin Ross like this. Quentin Richardson? Number 13. The guy who couldn't shoot. So you look at the two differences, you're like, oh, JJ knows that when they play him, they play him, they play him different than they play this. So it's like when you put JJ in a Lakers situation where there's no, I don't think there will be any pressure for him. Lakers are.
Starting point is 02:07:58 For him. Lakers, bro. Hey man, just because you drove on a whole bunch of planes don't mean you're a good pilot. How much pressure could the Lakers really put on a coach if you actually hired Darvin Hamm? Because you've got to be successful after this now. But you picked Darvin Hamm out of all the coaches to pick from. You couldn't have been placing pressure on him
Starting point is 02:08:18 because he's not a coach where you can come in and say, we're expecting you to win. But he got fired. We wasn't expecting you to win. We wasn't expecting you to win. We wasn't expecting you to win here. Second year knocked out the first time. Frank Vogel, when he got there. He won championship.
Starting point is 02:08:34 He got fired. Dirty first. But that's what I'm saying. You got us one. But I'm saying the expectation when you put that jersey on you, we are expected. I don't give a fuck. You expected to win. We know LeBron James is coaching the team, but we don't give a fuck because we're blaming you. We are expected. I don't give a fuck. You're expected to win. We know LeBron James is
Starting point is 02:08:45 coaching the team, but we don't give a fuck because we're blaming you. Especially in this situation. So what would be considered a championship caliber coach right now? We had a guy sitting on the couch. I'd like to see him get another shot. Mark Jackson. I'd like to see him get another shot. Championship caliber?
Starting point is 02:09:02 We don't know. He's respect. He'll be more respect. We know Frank Vogel was championship. He'll be more respect. We don't know who's he's respect he'll be more respect. We know Frank Volga was championship He'll be Morris. We don't know who's the champion ready to get a little has boo hosers. We don't know hosers a championship coach Right, but that's what they're feeling But that's I'm saying like it depending on what the free agency market you can that's the whoever gets this job One you you're borderline a playoff team, just with the roster you have. Upstairs, they get a couple pieces. Shit, you're damn near a playoff team and probably a contender.
Starting point is 02:09:36 So the job, whoever gets the job is on a curve anyway because you have an advantage. You have an advantage because who was on your team, right? Who's on your team, you have an advantage. Whoever gets the Cleveland job, right? Cleveland. Yeah, fucking playoff team. Yeah, like you said. Right, right. So you automatically start your career off with at least 40 fucking wins.
Starting point is 02:09:56 That sounds like a great job to me versus I got a team that won nine games last year. God damn it, I'm at 12. I start my career off in the negative. That is a pretty appropriate value. Think about how Luke Wong started his career off, right? That's fucking a great resume to start off your career versus you get a bottom-feeding team as a job. You know y'all won nine games last year.
Starting point is 02:10:18 15 is great. Think about your record, though. God damn it, I'm not Hall of Famer. God damn it, I'm not in the Hall of Famer. You already started off in the hole. First three in, first three in. You got 20 combined wins. That's a great position for J.J. then, right?
Starting point is 02:10:34 No. To be with this Lakers squad? If it was a good situation for Luke Walton to come in and get a team that's already moving over the curve, J.J. could fit right in there and not lose. I don't know, but... And not lose a beat. Listen, a job is a job. You got to start somewhere. Goddamn it, I guess I'd rather start with the purple and gold. Why not?
Starting point is 02:10:55 No, if you got to start... Hell yeah. I'd be in that motherfucker cheering, too. I'd be a fan. What? No, if you got to start somewhere, why not? Why not? But I just think that we're trying to get over it. Like, that's the difference in the close game situation. He ain't never had the board in his hand. Who?
Starting point is 02:11:11 Yeah, JJ. But we saw what was being drawn on that board. That's the only problem. That'd be the only problem with some of the coaches. Like, there's just certain situations you just, you've never been in. He probably hit a game. His first dunk, I was on the team with him. I think I missed it.
Starting point is 02:11:28 I missed the shot where he got the dunk on. You don't have to run career dunks, so that's it. I missed the shot. He got the rebound and dunked it, baseline. But there is situational stuff that he'll probably draw up and realize you have to have experience in certain situations to put, but for the most part, I'm pretty sure,
Starting point is 02:11:49 listen, I'm not worried about him. I'm, what is going to be his staff? That's all I really care about. I want to see his, because everybody got fired. So I want to see who the trainers are, who is going to be behind that bench, who's the medicals.
Starting point is 02:12:01 I need to know who's going to be hired. And I can tell you if you're going to be successful or not. So we asked a chat, can JJ handle coaching in LA? 52% said yes. Nearly 3,000 voters. So according to reports, LeBron doesn't want to be involved in the Lakers coaching search, but he may
Starting point is 02:12:16 not be talking about the Lakers head coaching job, but he is talking about WNBA number one overall pick Kaitlin Clark during a recent episode of his Mind the Game podcast with Reddick. LeBron had this to say about the hate that Clark is getting. Don't get it twisted. Don't get it fucked up. Caitlyn Clark is the reason
Starting point is 02:12:32 why a lot of great things is going to happen for the WNBA. But for her individually, I don't think she should get involved on nothing that's being said. Just go have fun. Enjoy. I'm rude for Caitlyn because i've been in that seat before i've walked that road before i hope they i hope she kills i hope alia boston does amazing
Starting point is 02:12:53 you know i hope they do great and i'm just kind of in this mode right now because i'm getting the same you know thing from watching my son who's a 19 year old kind of getting a lot of animosity and hatred towards him when he's just a kid trying to live out his dream you know there's a very small number of men and women that actually get to live out their dream of playing the professional sport and we have grown ass men and women out here doing whatever they can to try to make sure that does not happen that is the weirdest thing in the world but it is what it is and i'm glad that caitlin has a great head on her shoulder so fever oh and five this season clark's averaging nearly 18 points per game and she joins candace parker and sabrina nescu as the only rookies with 85 plus points 25
Starting point is 02:13:42 plus assist 20 plus rebounds in their first five career games. She's also played in front of sold out crowds in all five of those regular season games. And since the draft in April, revenue from the WNBA's online stores up more than 2,000 percent, already surpassing total sales for the entire 2023 season. So when you hear what LeBron is saying, what's your guys' reaction to just, as for Kaylin tuning out the hate, but also the value that she's going to bring to this WNBA? You said the online store matched last year only in five games?
Starting point is 02:14:18 Since April, they've already surpassed the 2023 sales. A 2,000% increase. I don't know if the WNBA girls got internet. I would assume that internet is widely available. All they have to do is just look. Just look. With her in the league, five games into it, we sold more merch than us. All of last year.
Starting point is 02:14:55 In five games. So therefore, no matter how we feel about the attention she's getting, our shit is being sold. People are watching us now, right? And I can tell you right now, most of these games, I don't even know where to find somebody. It's like they all spread around. It's like finding where's Waldo in some of these places. Like one game is on Tubi, one game is on the Internet,
Starting point is 02:15:24 one game is TNT. But I'm serious. Tubi, a great platform. I'm just saying, no. Enjoyed by many. But I'm just saying, all the games are so spread out, it's like, yo, what?
Starting point is 02:15:35 I didn't, we didn't, just be honest, we didn't realize it was so technically unprofessional where some of these games are. So the fact that she's making the league more popular for the masses, it's benefiting you guys.
Starting point is 02:15:51 Like, you know, yesterday was it Lloyd who had 34? Everyone's sold out arena seen that, right? So the girls who are actually playing, we get to see you now. So, yeah, so I know, hey, she can't sign every goddamn deal. So that means it has a trickle-down effect, right? Every loaf of bread she gets. Yeah, slices. Some slices is coming off, right?
Starting point is 02:16:17 Yeah. Someone has to get that slice before there was no loaf. There was crumbs. Loafs are coming now. Absolutely. Good point. You can hate the girl all you want, but she's putting money in your pocket. And if you don't understand that, and y'all sitting here trying to hurt her, I can tell you what's going to happen.
Starting point is 02:16:34 Them games, she started missing. She gets hurt, and they say, hey, Caitlyn's out for the year. I know one thing that's going to happen. Ticket sales. Them ticket sales is gone. Revenue, ticket sales, everything going to decline. So, be excited.
Starting point is 02:16:50 Like you remember when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson seemed like they were enemies to the world? When Magic Johnson got a shoe deal, who was the first person to call? Hey, Larry, come and do the commercial with me. We can do... He friended Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. They were friends no matter what y'all was thinking out there.
Starting point is 02:17:08 They was friends because they know they needed each other. Yeah, shit. Everybody color, shit, everybody's favorite color ain't green. Some of y'all people like purple. There's gold in y'all life, shit. Y'all put these shoes together to make y'all pick. Y'all want them black and green or these gold and purple, hey? I know this is it. Purple and gold, I know one side that won't be buying my shoes that side. Hey
Starting point is 02:17:30 Want to be friends? Yes, let's make some colors in yours. Now that whole side now. We just doubled our market. Absolutely No, yeah, she's definitely Helping in a major way putting light To your point definitely bringing los to the party now. Before, it was them sprinkling in there, and it was only certain people that was benefiting from it. Yeah, there's a lot more now, man. There's a lot of successful women in places that will reach out.
Starting point is 02:18:03 Business women. Business women. Successful business women that want reach out. Yeah. Businesswomen. Businesswomen. Successful businesswomen that will want to deal with... Yeah, so, in these cities that they probably wouldn't have before. So, no, it's a good thing, man. No, it's a...
Starting point is 02:18:13 What happens... It's a very good thing. What happens when a woman's territory is threatened? She would cut her nose off to the spider face. It would tear down that motherfucker. You in my space?
Starting point is 02:18:30 Mm-hmm. Get the fuck up out of here. I ain't used to this. That's all we're seeing. It's a threat to the territory, and it's new, and it ain't never been seen before. So they got to adjust to her coming in and doing what she's doing for the league,
Starting point is 02:18:44 and it's going to take some time. Because you think about it, everyone that was getting attention now getting the same attention. But I would disagree and say they're getting more attention. More now. They're not focused on them. What I'm saying is I was number one, right, getting all the attention, but the attention's right here. Now I'm number three, right? Getting all the attention, but the attention's right here.
Starting point is 02:19:06 Now I'm number three, but my attention's here. That's what they have to look at. They have to look at... I made $230,000 last year being an MVP or whatever. I made... Nobody's talking about me, but I made $500,000. Gilbert, what main chick wants to go to the third chick? That's the problem.
Starting point is 02:19:28 That's society. I'm just asking. I want you to clear it up because you know it like I know it. You know, too. What main chick wants to move to number three? Our main chick making $100,000. I'm the third chick making half a million. Is it the bag or is it the attention?
Starting point is 02:19:44 I was the main. I was in the front. I was the one going to Nobu. I was the one. But you wasn't going to Nobu. You can call it whatever you want to call it. It was the main show. Whatever spot it was, I was the one he was opening the door for. Now he's telling me to get the fuck out in the back.
Starting point is 02:19:59 You're in the back seat, baby. Get your ass out. What's up? We going in. But there's a problem. He was in the front seat of a Honda. Now your ass is damn near in the Mayseat, baby. Get your ass out. What's up? We going in. But there's a problem. Front seat of a Honda. Yeah, yeah. He was in the front seat of a Honda. Now your ass damn near in the Maybach right now. And if you play your cards right, you might be in the passenger seat of a Bugatti. Right?
Starting point is 02:20:14 You have to let this. It's a process. It's a process. But I'm saying this. You have to sometimes sit back and say, you know what? This might be the person that needs to drive the car now. When I was driving
Starting point is 02:20:30 it, I was cool with it. I wasn't getting as many miles as I could have. It seems like everybody wants to see her drive. Let her drive. Let her drive. It's okay. I'm still the fucking MVP. I'm still the runner-up. I'm still the fucking MVP. I'm still the runner
Starting point is 02:20:46 up. I'm still the defensive player. I'm still these people. Now the whole world gets to see my talent. That's all this is. Sometimes you just got to sit back. Because ticket sales The ticket sales is up. Think about it. When
Starting point is 02:21:00 when she plays Aces she's coming soon. Who? Be all right. Who gonna dominate the game? In a sold-out arena. Asia Wilson. Here we go.
Starting point is 02:21:13 When that motherfucker about to be sold out, we gonna be on TNT? I know who they... They might be coming to see her, but I know who they gonna leave saying, God damn, that motherfucker over there. Who the fuck is that over... She's badder than the motherfucker right there.
Starting point is 02:21:26 That's all that's going to happen. Question for you, Gil. We talked about this with Wimby. You thought that the league should have gave them an easier, more favorable schedule to start so we could go out there
Starting point is 02:21:34 and cook and kind of help the brand of value. When looking at Kaylin, her first four games were against the Sun and the Liberty, two of the toughest teams in the Eastern Conference.
Starting point is 02:21:41 Fever are currently 0-5 right now, but the Liberty set a ticket revenue record $2 million in their home game in New York. So should the League have given... They would do that anyway. They'd have got them second best team in the... But I'm saying early on in the season. So should the League have given
Starting point is 02:21:55 the Fever an easier schedule to start, or does it make sense to leverage Clark to showcase the premier teams and talent in the league? Schedule's made before the draft. Yeah, that's the problem. Schedule's made before the draft. Yeah, that's the problem. Schedule's made before the draft. But you, I'm just saying, you knew the fever. If you knew she was going to the fever,
Starting point is 02:22:12 what I'm saying is why would you, my thing was why would you place her against the hardest teams knowing that the team itself sucked? Yeah. Then it wasn't a good team. So her being on there, she was still going to get blown out. This team, both teams she played twice was second and third in the WNBA. One was runner-up to the champions, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:22:32 So you're playing against the elite. What do you think is going to happen? They're going to get blown out by 20. What does that say? Like, with her off the team, they lose by fucking 40. With her on the team, they lose by 20. It's still not a very good look. Nobody was talking about, you know, oh, damn, they lost.
Starting point is 02:22:53 They're just saying, oh, she played horrible. She's playing against damn near two best defenders. But the question for you, though, so easier schedule or leverage her to showcase all the other premier talent and teams in the league, knowing that the Fever probably aren't going to win those games anyway? Okay. If they played the Sparks, it's sold out, right? It's close to a sellout at this point. It's going to be a sold out.
Starting point is 02:23:14 What I'm saying is she played them the first game. They're going to get the $2 million. They probably get a win. They play this team. That's going to be sold out. They're probably going to win. And she starts 5-0. What happens when she plays those top teams anyway?
Starting point is 02:23:27 That was the point I was making. Boom! I was going to make that point. But I see what point you're making. I just see it both ways. He's saying basically like the value of showcasing the talent of the two best teams early on, allowing her to whatever struggle or win or lose, you're showcasing more than just her. But then I see what you're saying with
Starting point is 02:23:45 if she starts 5-0, it's the story for her. It's like Deion and Colorado, right? Yeah. It's more for the league, too, but it's still more spotlight on her. Think about the spotlight that was on Deion. Everybody benefits. Everybody benefits. Because it's benefiting either way. Not right now,
Starting point is 02:24:01 because it benefits there. Then when you play the tougher teams and they're 3-0 what happened when they played oregon they got swag right but think about the buzz that went between that those two yeah yeah what if they play now what if they played oregon and them the first and they start off yeah now those bottom teams they're beating on don't even matter because nobody's showing up right so you play the easier schedule let them beat on a team let her average damn near 30 everybody oh shit she's got it when she plays against the Sabrina it is unreal you make your bread either way you make it more bread on on going this way eat here eat here versus here now when she's playing against these bottom teams that she's 0 and 6 this team 0 and
Starting point is 02:24:44 3 now you're trickling. You actually lose. You actually lose. You lose in a second. The way you guys did it. They lost because if she starts 5-0. Still eating. So you talk about Sparks, Lex Brown, 20-piece player of the game.
Starting point is 02:24:56 The Fever in town Friday. The folks at Underdog Fantasy have splurge on us. Gil's Arena will be at the Fever-Sparks game at Staples Center. We're not calling it crypto.com arena on Friday I'm dead baby ten feet on the wood If you can make it past security to the section that we're gonna be in come say hello You may see one or two of us or more of us getting escorted out of the game for being too turnt up Go in there to support Lexi Brown. Hey, Lex, I'm going to be drunk off the rip. Close the bars after the first quarter.
Starting point is 02:25:30 You got to make a shirt. Lexi Red. Lexi Red. Lexi Red. Let me go ahead and make that shirt. We will be in the building supporting Lexi. Those embarrassing family members. She's going to sit there like, aw.
Starting point is 02:25:44 Lexi already said she's not worried about us being at the game. But I don't think Lexi has seen Gil at a basketball game before. I'm going to put on
Starting point is 02:25:55 regular shoes. I'll put on regular shoes. No sandals? Yeah, she said just no sandals. All right. What's wrong with the sandals? We'll be doing pick-ups as well.
Starting point is 02:26:03 So shout-out to Underdog Fantasy for making that happen. Now let's move on to Mostly Fans. Yeah, let's go. I got to go in there. Yeah. I already know. King like, shit, I got to go get a haircut.
Starting point is 02:26:13 If you have not done so already, download the app. Use promo code GILL. You can receive up to $250 in bonus cash and a special pick-up. Thank you again to Underdog Fantasy. Cutting the checks, splurging. Lexi said bring your ass, and we are bringing our ass to the Sparks gang. Let's get it. So first question is a email question.
Starting point is 02:26:34 Email? Yes. Underdog user DimTunken99. You have to give up either alcohol or warm, hot showers and baths for the rest of your life So you either give up alcohol you give up warm hot showers for the rest of your life. Which are you giving it? No, I'll go ever I don't fuck my drink Should I be fake drinking this water? You can't tell you cold shower. No it invigorates you in the morning Would you give up alcohol or?
Starting point is 02:27:04 a cold or a warm shower for the rest of your life? I'd give up alcohol. Warm showers are essential. All right. Next. Come on. That wasn't even a good one. I wrote the questions.
Starting point is 02:27:23 I'm just here to conduit. I was bored on that one. Who let that question go? a good one. I wrote the question. I'm just here to counter it. You was bored on that one. Who let that question go? You was bored. Y'all should have tweaked it, made it something. It's fucking easy. You got to ask an alcoholic. Yeah, that was an alcoholic.
Starting point is 02:27:39 You got to ask somebody who's an alcoholic. If you get drunk, you can just take the cold shower and it'll feel like a hot shower. No, it won't. No, no. A cold shower is going to be a cold shower. You ever took a cold shower in front of your girl? She get to sniggling and giggling.
Starting point is 02:27:55 Yeah, that means there was some shrinkage going on. No, no, you need warmth. You bet all time. Some of us are shrink proof. You better not get to giggling and shit. Some of us are shrink proof. As soon as that cold hit that shower, you lose about two inches. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that.
Starting point is 02:28:05 You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that.
Starting point is 02:28:07 You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that.
Starting point is 02:28:11 You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that.
Starting point is 02:28:13 You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You bet that. You ain't got two inches to lose. That's part of this conversation. Y'all got it. I'm sorry. You ain't got the inches. I'm sorry. You can have that conversation with Gil, man.
Starting point is 02:28:30 All right, next question from Underdog User, 14Flat. After game three of the Western Conference Final Sunday, predict what the Mavs-Wolves series will be at. So after game three, what will the Mavs-Wolves series be at? We don't know. That's fine. They're asking you to predict, King. All right, 2-1. Who one who oh shit. I was just
Starting point is 02:28:50 Almost non-cooperative unparticipating is to one give me Minnesota to one So we'll to one Mr. Cemetery Larry. I'll take that. 2-1. All right.
Starting point is 02:29:08 It came. 2-0 Dallas. 3-0 Dallas. Oh, wow. Sweep territory. All right. Well, we will find out in the near future. And again, we will be at the Sparks Fever Game Friday at Staples Center.
Starting point is 02:29:23 Pull up. Shout out to all the bacon wrap vendors. You think that's a good picture for a t-shirt? Sexy red on there? Mm-hmm. Are you going to put a sexy red? Put a sexy red on a t-shirt. Dan, if we make it through the whole game, that would be inspiring.
Starting point is 02:29:37 Somebody's getting escorted out of their premises or at least saying. Why you keep looking at me? Because you. God, I heard you. I keep looking at you. You almost get ejected from high school basketball games, which is a sight to behold. Why are you looking at me good cuz you gotta hurt you keep looking at you You almost get ejected from high school basketball games, which is Almost never been no I said I'm almost I never been almost Oh
Starting point is 02:29:59 Can you very long I don't let them take you out. I've never Maybe skitter key like no, I'll be saying something and be like, oh, hey, Mr. Martin. Hey, Mr. Martin. They hear the voice. That ain't about me. I ain't gonna embarrass the babies. But we appreciate all of y'all for pulling up and tuning in for another week of Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoa, whoa!
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