Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Reacts To Tatum & Mitchell's MEGA NBA Deals

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Gil's Arena Reacts To Jayson Tatum's MEGA NBA Deal as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down Tatum signing the largest contract in NBA History following the Boston Celtics' NBA Championship and discuss what it means for the future of the NBA now that the C's have their entire starting lineup locked up for the foreseeable future. They also react to Chris Paul signing with the San Antonio Spurs in NBA free agency and analyze how pairing the future Hall of Fame Point God with Victor Wembanyama is a slam dunk for Wemby's on court development with the young Spurs squad. Finally, they react to other free agent signings across the NBA and break down Donovan Mitchell's decision to remain with the Cleveland Cavaliers on a huge extension before giving a break down on the state of the Miami Heat as the perennial contenders have been quiet so far this offseason and are at risk of losing their star in Jimmy Butler as he opted to not sign an extension and bet on himself this season. Please give us a Like & Subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Rashad McCants, Nick Young & Brandon Jennings Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $250 in Bonus Cash and A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Enter The Aura Watch Giveaway For A Chance To Travel to NBA Summer League & Meet The Gil's Arena Crew!! - https://forms.gle/9ZmMwsycBsbLXdLn6 SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:17 Jayson Tatum's Record Breaking Extension 0:11:43 Front Runner For the 2025 NBA MVP 0:23:54 Donovan Mitchell Extended By The Cavs 0:56:50 Darius Garland's Future In Cleveland 1:12:56 Kenyon Pulls Up With A Trophy 1:19:25 Is Garland A Good Fit For The Lakers? 1:22:22 CP3 Joins The Spurs 1:32:04 Better Fit For Lauri Markkanen: Spurs or Warriors? 1:42:26 Next Moves For The Spurs 1:52:51 Savage Stories From NBA Practices 2:00:30 MostlyFans 2:22:18 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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doing here? Good. Got the full crew. The NBA 2K simulations are underway. Ken, you got the first win in his seven-game series versus Brandon. Brandon, how you feeling? I'm all right. Feeling good. You confident in your team?

Yeah. Got to make some switches, some changes, but we all right. Okay. What was going on? Won by like 15, right? He won by 15. Oh. Yeah, it was...

I didn't know. It got rough in the fourth quarter. Yeah. No adjustments. Makes sense. I mean, it's all coaching, right? It's all coaching. I mean...

Coaching all this... Coach don't make great adjustments. Hey, can you pick your coach on that or they... Nah, whatever team you selected. Oh, so he got. Yeah, like Ray Allen had like 21 points in the first half. He got Glenn. I mean, art imitating life, if you will.

I got, what's his name? We got Ham. Okay. We got Darvin. All right. We got Dar. Okay. We got Darwin. All right. We got Darwin ham. I'm waiting for the update so we can switch them out. We'll see if JJ is any better.

No, no, no. We're going to do a ham. No, I don't want JJ. Yeah, I got to see what he's doing. He got to get some reps in. But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arena here with us. Turned up.

On the Lord's Tuesday. Fresh off his appearance at the BET Awards. We got Swaggy P. Nick Young. I was out there with your boo and shit. Who is Gil's boo? Saucy Santana. He asked about you. Man, that's crazy. What? What were you out there? Who is Gills, bro? Saucy Santana. He asked about you. Oh, you know...

Man, that's crazy. What? What were you out there? What were you doing? We had to present an award. Who's we? The cast that were... Cast of what? College Hill.

Oh. Ha-ha. It's a good show, too. Huh? Great show. Thank you. Congrats. I'm just asking. So you were just being few as a cast, huh?

Yeah, yeah. Remember when I FaceTimed you and you was talking to Sauce? No, FaceTime you. Y'all, yeah. You got the number. You got the number. Y'all have fun. It looks like y'all was having fun, dog.

You know what I mean? Y'all was vibing. Yo. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I was like, all right, Nick, go ahead. And, and, and.all was vibing. All right, then go ahead. Proceeding over. Can we move it along?

Proceeding? Can we move it along? Can we move it along? Oh, man. I ain't know. That's your first time at the BET Awards, huh? Damn. And let's move over to this side of the couch.

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in the building with us, representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University. Appreciate you for this Bucks merchandise. No doubt. Courtesy of Tough Crowd. Very comfortable, stylish. I got a little drip now. I'm feeling good. How you doing? You all good? It's one loss. You gonna get it back.

Man, just the... I had the game one. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, relax, bro. Relax. I went up. I was up like... Nothing. I was up. I was winning like seven, maybe. No.

Yeah. Ray. Ray was the reason why I was winning. He was down 10. Remember, they're on teams. Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're going into a two-on-one. You're going into a two-on-one. sweep him know what I think that what I'm saying is I was watching early Hey, I was I was like, yo, I was like, yo, all right down. Did he put in his bench players though?

I'm sorry my man. Yeah, he would do that. I Need to see who's gonna be the great six. We have an excuse All right. I didn't I didn't play my main guys. What did I say I was gonna do? Put my bench players in. They gonna be losing. He gets to come in and then that's my real team. See?

It's called strategy, baby. I know. All right. So this counts if he wins? No. Oh, yeah. I was just practicing. I just want to look at the stats and see who was winning.

How many of them you What? Bullshit. What do you have over here? Did he say? He came through with buttons. What did he say? Bullshit. Bullshit level Defcon 5. Bullshit level Defcon 5.

Defcon 5. Wow. How many more buttons you got? I just got a button, man. He came through with buttons. There's another one. There's another one. So here's what's cracking in the arena today.

The Celtics gave Jason Tatum the largest contract in NBA history and re-upped with Derek White to keep their starting five intact for at least the next two seasons. But how confident should they be about repeating next year? For the red, white, and blue, baby. After the Warriors waived CP3, the Spurs signed him to a one-year deal. But how good will the Wimby and CP3 duo be in San Antonio next season?

Damn, look at the angle on that. Damn. Little man versus the big man. And Donovan Mitchell and the Cavs agreed to a three-year extension. Ooh. But what... You want him.

We need more Donovan Mitchell fans in the arena, man. Come on. No, I want him in L.A. That's why. Okay, that's fine. Now it's fair. Nobody want to come to L.A., man. Man. We like him.

Give us time, Rob. It's working. I would've liked that for him. For real, huh? Damn. I would've liked him. He ain't got to be the number one option. Yeah, blame you for losing.

Blame for you. Nah, he wouldn't have to be the number one option. You gonna blame him for losing? Huh? He got to be the number one option. At the Lakers? Yeah. He's the youngest, too. He's the youngest. Usually the youngest is usually the one. But Donovan Mitchell and the Cavs agree to a three-year extension. But what does this mean for Darius Garland's future with the team?

Before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. Do yourself a favor. Download the app. Use promo code GILL. You can get up to $250 in bonus cash plus a special pickup. It's fire, ain't it? You already, you already, yeah. It was tasty. He did say he, if you sign him back, I'm out!

That was a report on the athletic after the season. You ain't see what Donovan said? You ain't see what Donovan said on the tweet? Tell him that. I'm coming back. Tell him thatuh. Said, tell him that. I'm coming back. Tell him that. Uh-uh. Hashtag, tell him that.

Uh-uh. For real. Tell him that. Uh-uh. Damn. We gonna see. Uh-uh. But what does that mean?

I'm coming back. What does that, for what? I mean, to do what? Donovan? Yeah. Because your garden said if he signs back, I'm out. To do the shit that you said he couldn't do. Why?

They don't like you saying that? To do the shit he said that you said he couldn't do. OK. Remember all that shit you was saying he couldn't do why they don't like you do the city said that you said he couldn't Do okay, there are that shit. You were saying he couldn't do mm-hmm as a number one option. Yeah That's what he said He said I want to see it. Yeah, I want to see it this year Can't get the cash back We will see. Not Garland?

We will see if Darius Garland. They're going to get somebody else. They're going to get somebody else. That's good. That's a good trade. They might get D-Lo. D-Lo? Wait, Darius Garland to L.A.?

Garland to L.A.? How much you make? How much you make? We will discuss shortly. Garland. Darius Garland. We will discuss shortly. Find him backland. De'Aaron Fox. We will discuss shortly. Find him back.

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agreeing to a four-year, $125.9 million contract extension with Derek White, and giving Jason Tatum a five-year, $314 million Supermax extension, which is now the largest contract in league history. So Tatum's contracts are pasted, the five-year, $304 million Supermax extension the Celtics gave Jalen Brown last season, and now Tatum and Brown have the two largest contracts

in league history. You're not excited for your... Okay, that's all I wanted to know. That's all I wanted to hear. That's all I wanted to hear. Tatum has made three straight All-NBA First teams, became the fifth player in NBA history to lead their team in points, rebounds, and assists in a championship run, but the first in that group to not win finals MVP.

So what's the significance of Tatum signing the largest contract in NBA history? We'll start with our resident Boston Celtics fans currently on the free agent market as well as you search for a new team. Yeah, yeah. Congratulations. You know, he's setting landmarks and, you know,

everybody's got to get their weight up. You know, when it comes down to claiming the prize, I think Jason has put in the work. He deserves it. He won a championship. Now, you know, a part of his legacy is solidified,

so he can go out there and start bragging now. You know what I'm saying? I got a championship and the largest contract. So all the good hard work has paid off. Brandon, what do you think about Jason Tatum signing the largest contract in NBA history with the Boston Celtics? Yeah, I mean, it was expected. He's the best player on the team.

So he's marketable. Don't say that next to him. Well, I mean, he's marketable. He's all on all the NBA commercials, everything. I mean, yeah, and the boy can play. So, I mean, but, yeah, I expected that, though. Tatum is marketable. Are other Celtics marketable as well?

Yeah. Okay, make it short. Not like him, though. Tatum is marketable. Are other Celtics marketable as well? Yeah. Okay. Make it short. Not like him though. It's a difference. It's just a difference. That's all. There is a difference. So Nick, what are your thoughts on Tatum? Getting the bag from Boston. Getting for the red, white, and the blue, baby. It is America week here in the arena. It is America

week. America, baby. We got the American pressles. here in the arena. It's America Week. America, baby. We got the American Theory pretzels. We got the balloons. Yeah, man, it's just good to see, man, you know? Winning championships, light-skinned, you know? Best player on the team. He holding it down for the Lightskins, huh?

Man, they was doing bad this year, too. Kendrick came through and kind of killed all of them. The Lightskins community has been putting the L in Lightskins. Until they won the championship, it was probably pretty much over. Is that why they gave it to the Darkskin nigga, the MVP? I think that's what I'm saying. Darkskin got the finals MVP. Yeah, we just had our run.

We just had our run. Now it's like, okay. Now it's going back up. It's going back up. I was trying to say, I was like, was you saying we like, is it you with them or you with us? I tried to figure him out. He likes Ken and he's going to make it. He's a little bit of both.

It depends on how he feels. He don't know which one he want. I'm going to lick his lip today. I'm going to lick my lip today. What are you doing, man? Oh, Lord. If you were expecting a serious episode of Gil's Arena... Top five all time?

This is not the day for you, Gil. Shit. Tatum getting the biggest deal in your mainstream. We know it was expected, but now it's finally here. I'm talking five best looking niggas ever. What, was it not gonna give it to him?

That's what I mean. We knew it was coming, but now the bread has landed. If they would've lost, would he got it? Yeah, he's super max. You're getting it no matter what.

You're getting it no matter, it's a super max deal. It's like a max deal, super max deal. You know, it's two all NBAs, back to know, it's two all-NBAs, back-to-back, Supermax. So he's expected to get it no matter what happens. But it would look better that he won.

Don't matter because there's going to be someone next year who don't make it. They're going to lose in the first round, not make the playoffs, but they all-NBA Supermax. For the foreseeable future, every offseason we will see. Man, so I mean it's next year is going to be somebody else and the year after that is somebody else and that's just how contracts work.

I said so next year somebody is going to get one higher? Yeah, who will be up next year? Luka, I think. Luka's a free agent? No, not free, but he can sign an extension. SGA can sign a big one, too. Not quite on that level, but like $4 million. Yeah, I don't think he's...

$280,000, $290,000, something crazy. Yeah. So it could... Can Luka surpass that? Yeah, I think... They're going to make Luka. Yeah, Luka will be on that trajectory. $330,000?

So, yeah. The only thing that stops that is... The NBA's going to get to $400,000. That's the only thing that stops it is if he doesn't make the All-NBA, right? Or is he already... I think because he made it this year, he should be good. So he's automatically good, yeah. Pretty sure, but, I mean, it's a...

Yeah, so it's going to go... I mean, it goes just like... 400 for five years. When Ticket made the... When Ticket back then, when he had the highest, and the next person to follow him, the next person to follow him... So Luka is eligible for that 2025 Supermax.

Let me see. It'd be five years, $346 million there. $340. Who? Luka Dvornik. It's going to go up like 10% every year just with this cap and this new TV bread. It may be, what, three years from now? Then his shit going to be...

In the last year, that Luka deal would make $78 million. $78 million. If he signs it later. So, Wimby's deal is going to be up after the fourth year. So, he'll get that rookie extension. He'll get a rookie extension, and then. So, there's no way he can get a Supermax extension on a rookie deal? I don't do that.

So, if he gets All-NBA? So, even if he gets All-NBA, it's considered a rookie super max. Soccer at blue. Yeah, that's fucked up. But it's always, it's usually the longer you stay in, you have more advantages at it. So, you know, Tatum's been in for a while. Luka's right behind him. Devin Booker can probably.

If Devin Booker was All-NBA, All-NBA, his shit would be up there. The rookie skill contract right now is two guaranteed, two team options? Yeah. All right. Let's say the team gives him the extension after the second year. Uh-huh. And they extend him. Can they do a one-year deal?

Can they extend him one year? And then after that, can they do a super max after the one-year deal? Can they extend it one year? And then after that, can they do a Supermax after the one-year deal? If he made, like, the first two years, he didn't do nothing, but the third year, he gets all NBA, all NBA. Then it's still, ooh, I don't know. Like, if he did a one-year deal coming out of that second year, and they extended him. They extended him for one year.

And then that next year he's available for the Supermax if he got All-NBA. I think like years of service, all that stuff has a part to play. Years of service matter too. Okay. Yeah, so. That's why I said like Devin Booker. Because it's keeping them constrained into a rookie-scale deal

when they're playing at an R-NBA level. But that's why they call it the rookie max, right? Because they don't want that rookie to come out of it and then he's on the same category as a Jason Tatum, right? So it's like, oh, rookie max, you only get about all of them. LaMelo, all of them got the rookie max. Like 190 or something? It's like 190, 212, around that time, you know, around that.

So, but like people that can, like that's where Jason Tatum is, is Devin Booker, Donovan Mitchell. So if they were playing all NBA, all NBA, they would be signing for the three. So that's like five years. I think LaMelo got five for 260, if I'm not mistaken. Years of service is five years. MB.

Yeah. Ten years plus. Yeah, MB. Yeah, so Mellos could be worth as much as 260. I believe he's got to make an all-NBA team. That's the max he can get, 260? Yeah, five or 260. That's after his rookie deal, though. This is the rookie max extension he signed,

but I think it's contingent on if he makes an all-NBA team, then it'll bump up to 260. There's a lot of bread to be made. God bless Adam Silver and the NBA. And God bless Gil's arena. We need to get our extension talk going, Gil. You know some of us are eligible. Just pointing that out.

Okay. Need that super duper, Max. But back in April before the playoffs started, Trey Young said if Tatum wins the chip, he will be the MVP frontrunner next season. So recently on an episode of his From the Point podcast, Trey was asked if he still feels that way now and had this to say. I know you said that if Boston wins the championship, Tatum has a really good shot of being a frontrunner for the MVP.

He knows if he wins the championship, he's going to be the frontrunner MVP next year. Do you still feel like that? Yeah. I mean, when I talked to Jay, he knew what he needed to do. He just went out there and did it. He didn't care about getting the regular season MVP. He wanted to win a championship. I'm happy for him. He went out there and did it. He knew this was his best team that he's had and had to take advantage of it. Looking forward, people are going to probably give him more credit. That's the best part about being a champion. All the stuff that they doubt about you, now you can throw it back in their face.

So, this season Tatum made first-team All-NBA for the third straight time, finished sixth in MVP voting, despite the Celtics being the best team in the league by a comfortable margin. Should Tatum be considered the 2025 MVP frontrunner based on how this season played out? I think so. If they go back to winning, they involve winning and not just stats.

And you got to think about his team. Everybody down there averaging about 20 are in the team. So I think so. I thought he should have won MVP this year about his team. Everybody down there averaging about 20 are in the team. So, I think so. I thought he should've won MVP this year just because their team was down there 17 wins ahead of people

or 14 wins ahead of people. Yeah. And he was the leading scorer on that team. I feel like in years past that would've been an acceptable criteria. It's always in flux,

always changing. Nick, did he play like an MVP? Yes. No. Did they win always changing. Nick, did he play like an MVP? Yes. No. Did they win the championship? Nick. No.

Jason Tatum during the NBA playoffs. Did Steve Nash play like an MVP when he beat Kobe out? Did he play like an MVP? When he beat Kobe out. Regular season? No, no, no. During the playoffs. The playoffs don't matter about regular season.

I'm just asking the question. I mean, it has nothing to do with the regular season award. We're talking about the regular season. I thought we were talking about finals. No, regular season. I'm just asking the question. I mean, it has nothing to do with the regular season award. We're talking about the regular season award. I thought we were talking about finals MVP. No, regular season. Regular season. Front runner for regular season MVP 2025. I still don't think so.

Just, OK, to even go on that same point, did he play like a finals MVP? Did he play like a finals MVP? Did he play like a finals MVP? Yeah. He did, right? Man, every category. So Joel Embiid going into this season,

why wouldn't he be considered the front runner? If he can hit that 65-game threshold, I'd do it. I'm not even saying if he can do anything. I'm just saying based on where he left it, when he was number one, and then he came back, he was able to still dominate with half of the minutes he was playing and still same numbers. He come back healthy this year.

How is he not number one? Because he's hurt? No, I mean, what you're saying is absolutely correct, right? And that's the problem why some people shouldn't win the MVP. See, if you put Tatum in the front for no reason See, if you put Taylor in the front for no reason, right, you put him in the front for no reason. He was sixth last year, and you got him number one. What did he do?

Whatever his stats were last year was sixth at the end. So the means he comes into the season is sixth, right? The one who won it comes in at first. So if the MVP this year has the same numbers next year and everybody else jumps them, you can't give this motherfucker the MVP again. That is the point of it. Where are you starting off the season at if you are the MVP your finals MVP a champion and your team's supposed to be one and you come in and finish third how do you get credit as a MVP so therefore starting this season off it

should be so Joker Joker should be in the lead. What Joker average last year though. Same shitty average year before what's that? 20 24 12 So he should be he got the war so he should be 24 and 12. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, but they know They give him the credit for the six 26 26 I'm pulling it up. So you got Joker should be one. 26, 12, nine assists. Played 79 games, so obviously hit that. So Joker should be number one.

Who came in second? SGA. SGA should be second. Luka. Who came in third? Joker could get another MVP. Who came in third? Luka.

Luka, then fourth. Who was fourth? Yeah, I know. Fifth was Brunson. Sixth was Tatum. Okay, so starting the season, this is how it should... With the Giannis fourth? Yeah, Giannis.

That's how it should be at the beginning of the season. It should start off with the guys who finished off. There's nothing that happened in the regular season for it to change. Embiid's injury have any impact? Yes. Because Embiid was injury have any impact? Yes. Because Embiid was the frontrunner largely before. But at the end of the day, he is one, but you can't give him one. You've got to insert him somewhere when the season begins.

But what I'm saying is he's one, but you can't give him one. So it's like an asterisk. It's the nigga just floating to the first ten of the games, and then boom, there he goes. You've got to wait. But that's how it is. You can't just say Tatum won because he won a championship. That has no merit to this

award. What Tatum average? 26 and what? So how did Joker trump everything Tatum did? Because he won the MVP. Because they want to, because that's they're using a stat. They're using his if you take away his assists

right? When Westbrook did this shit. And that's what I'm saying. You take away Westbrook rebounds if you take away his assists right when no that's what did this shit And that's what I'm saying you take away Westbrook rebounds you take away Joker assists Which one is more impressive now? 26 and 12 or 31 and 11 Right so what's making Joker stats great as you add 9 assists, and then when you add 11 rebounds you say oh he's patting the stats. Why they don't say that with Joker? They don't.

When Westbrook did it, it was, oh, he's just patting stats. Joker more efficient, though. We got to give him that nod. I'm just telling you. No. But one's a big man. One's a big man. You got to tell like a white man, man.

Come on. I'm just telling you. But I'm just... A lot of people in the chat confuse me as one. Nick, as my role as host, I just always have to keep you guys on the straight and narrow.

Get your ass up. But that's what it is. It's like the nine assists has so much credibility to it. It's not a triple-double. It's almost a triple-double. And it's way better than a guard not a triple-double. It's almost a triple-double, and it's way better than a guard averaging a triple-double, which

is weird. It's weird. It's a position thing, I believe. But how many times can you compete for that? But that's what I'm saying. It's a position thing, so it's like a center passing a ball is way more impressive than a six six four

guy getting rebound only if the offense is suited for the big man pass and that's why i was i'm torn i'm sitting here like i'm trying to play devil's advocate but i'm like westbrook is an orthodox between him and jason kidd to go in there and go get rebounds every single night it's effort yeah right and then you look at stephen adams you're like what the fuck is your big ass doing why are you not averaging those rebounds? He's averaging you should be the double double King. Yeah, not just him, right? So their style of offense wasn't Suited for anyone but him to handle the ball. So he gonna get those assists who Westbrook? Yeah, he gonna get those assists He don't get his points. So the rebounds are gonna be

gonna come at a at a way where we're going to look at it like a stat patent because we don't ever see it. We don't ever see it. But we can see Vlade Divac and all these other guards, I mean big men passing the ball like Joker does in an offense like the Sacramento Kings style offense. So there's no such thing as patent stats on assists? Is that giving up wide open shots to try to get an assist? But when he does it, no one says anything. No, because it's a point guard.

You're supposed to pass it to anyone. Yeah, like if I'm a point guard and I have a shot right here and I keep throwing it to this guy to get an assist because I'm trying to break an assist record, that is considered patent stats. Same thing like a shot blocker, right? I'm trying to break an assist record that is considered patent set same thing like a shot blocker, right? I'm trying to break a shot block record. I'm jumping at everything just to Pat that stat, right? But so when people do it you you got to play it across the board or you don't mention it at all or the Rebound and all like just getting getting your own rebound missing it on purpose

Yeah doing bullshit just to get the extra rebound. I mean, people do that. People do it all the time. They miss on purpose? Yeah, all the time. That's tough. When you're trying to get that triple-double, and you need one more rebound. It's hard to miss on purpose. It's hard to miss. Get the rebound.

Sometimes you miss on the other hoop. Just to... The legend. Shout out Ricky Davis. No, so I'm just saying, like, work harder. Have a love. You just do it all the time.

It's just like a race. Man, it's just like a race. Hold that bitch up there. it all the time it's just like a man it's just that bitch up there go get it it's just like a race right wherever you start at the beginning of the season so they have predictions wherever your team starts at the beginning of the season however you finish should dictate it should dictate so that means if you're in first you don't really get a plus if you finish a race. The more plus comes from somebody who was then supposed to make the playoffs, was supposed to be in eighth, they came in first

or second. They get credit for So, how do we trump SGA, too? Like, everything Joker do just trumps everything. A lot of people on this couch felt that, Gil, you even said it before the MVP award came out, that Shea deserved more love for what he was able to do.

Yeah, okay. This is the regular world. If you're supposed to be, if you have a lead, you know like what they do in track. You know how they give you, if you are up there, your car is up there because you have earned it being in first place, and you, and I'm, I don't know what to make of it. You're talking about NASCAR.

Not even, yeah. And I'm in 11't know about the makeup on NASCAR. It's not even not even yet. And I'm I'm in 11 spot, right? and I come in first and you come in third. How are you winning? You was there already after you're one. Yeah. Yeah, I'm 11 I don't supposed to be in this category and I win this race. Yeah, I win the race I got through and a large the winner is brandy And you're like wait what?

Both wrong was I racing for if you're gonna give it to him both wrong rosters without another all-star player I think we got to point that out But and SGA like we said the Thunder were not predicted to come in first place came in first in the West which we've all Said is the tougher conference And it's like it's no merit. That's what I'm saying You you're telling us is about. You're telling us about winning, and the two winners don't get credit. Yeah.

So it makes people say, players, what the fuck is the winning for? Let me just pat my stats, because that's all you care about. Now SGA says, well, instead of averaging 31, I'm averaging either 35, 8 and 8, 35, 6 and 4. Remember, we talked about that, that SGA,

if he was gonna take that from Joker, he needed to make it obvious. It's gotta be, this is glaring that I'm doing this at this rate. And remember, we said that 30-a-game that he was getting, it was right on point every night. He had 30. Like, right on point every night. He had 30.

Like, right on the dot, right? And if you watch the games, it looks like, hey, I got to hit 30. I got to hit my 30 mark. And if you ain't never been on a bench and really been sitting up there looking at the clock, like, how much I got? How much I'm averaging? How much I got to get to keep my average?

36- 6. But his team from 11 came in first. But they found a formula. That's what I'm saying. They found a formula. That's the problem. You find formulas when you want to use them. Yeah.

Right? Now, this was my argument. I said, okay, Joker wanted what the stats he had this year, and he came in third. Right? Look at his improvement Versus everybody. What is SGA's improvement to win it? What is Tatum's improvement to win this award? What can they do for themselves and their record to win the war? Jokic can what if he averages a triple-double next year and his team comes in first he wins it again

He makes it up. You know saying he's making it obvious though but what i'm saying is because he's averaging the triple double but his team is winning but what i'm saying is you done gave him the award for almost getting it you're giving him credit as if he gets one so when he does get one that's what i'm saying he's the only winner where his team itself is not one, two, or three in the league itself. But he's still the champ. Like, if you think about the champ being boxing, we talk boxing, we say he the champ. To beat the champ, you can't take

him the distance and not knock him out. But every other champ lost. Right. But every other champ... Was that his triple-double two years, three years straight? It's a knockout. When they gave... When Joker won it back to back, why did he win it back to back?

Because his numbers. So why did, because it wasn't, it had nothing to do with the winning because he didn't win anything. Why didn't Russ win it back to back?

Why did Greek win it back to back? Why didn't Greek win three in a row? Who knocked him out, who knocked him out on that third one? Because when they won it,

it was so glaring that this is the dominating piece in the league right now. You got to make it glaring. And SGA just didn't do it. I say if he, because he didn't. 30 a game wasn't like you're dominating.

You're just getting 30 a game. You put your back. If Luka was number one with them stats, he would be MVP. Listen, Luka was doing, but what was Luka doing? If Luka was OKC, number one average and save stats, he would be MVP. What was Luka doing? If Luka was OKC, number one average of save stats, he would be MVP. Nick, what was Luka doing? Don't you make me nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger. But what was Luka doing?

We were saying if his team was one, he would have gave it to them. If Luka's team was one, no, he wouldn't have got it. With the save stat line? They tried to give it to him this one. They tried to give it to him this one. Come over. No. Come over. No.

Come over. No. N-I-6-6-L. Rashad, come on. No. Rashad. Champion. Rashad, stop.

Coming off the championship? They giving it to Luka. No, they not. Come on, bro. What I'm saying? Joker coming off the championship? Yeah, and he fell in. Bro, they giving it to him.

He not fell in. He third. He third. Third. He third. So, okay, now if you put that across the board on... And they third. Okay, now if you put that across the board on every player, when Jordan came back number one and he had the same numbers, who knocked him off? They would give it to Luka over SGA, but not over Joker.

What I'm saying is when Jordan lost, who knocked him off? Number one, his team never went to number two. Number one, his stats was lead the league in scoring. They gave the MVP to somebody else. That's one time, though. All of his. Those are rare occasions. All of his.

Mike? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody who got knocked off, nobody knocked them off with these amazing stats. The only amazing stat was when there was a triple double. Like, oh shit, we never seen that before since the 70s. He deserves it. Then when

he did it again, that makes it too easy. I'm talking about the clear separation between who the league MVP is. I think we all know when they choose it. It's just been recently everybody put it up to debate because everybody's biased based on who they like. Back then when Tim Duncan won it that one year, when AI

won it, when KG won it, certain guys won it and we all looked up like, yeah, KG had that kind of year this year. But I'm not saying that SGA didn't have that type of year. I'm just saying it didn't feel like it. We wasn't turning on SportsCenter like,

damn. But does that, I mean, he got 30. Being OKC, small market, if he does that in a big market

with the same, if he's on the Lakers putting up those numbers and they're number one in the West. It's not going to change the way it looks. But I'm saying,

you don't think he's winning the MVP? It don't change the way it looks. For sure. That's why Jason Taylor, Paul. If he's OKC,

he's winning the MVP. If he's OKC, he's winning the MVP. He just got to be real. He know what it looks. For sure. That's why Jason Tatum, Paul. If he's OKC, he's winning MVP. If he's OKC, he's winning MVP. He just got to be real. He know what it is. That's why Tatum not, that's why Tatum not being considered

because it's the way it looks. The way it looks. What are you doing to get them numbers? So now Tatum has won the chip. Do you think there's any potential that he'll veer off now?

Like you're saying, no, I got to get the numbers to really show that I'm that dude. I don't think so. I think these dudes have a great championship recipe, a formula. He didn't win Eastern Conference Finals MVP.

He didn't win Finals MVP, but he's got that trophy now. I'm all for... I'm all for... having AI. What is that shit called? The computer, what is it called? What do they do?

GPS, PT. Chat, GPT, I believe. I want them to put in all the stats and see who the... Who deserves it. Who deserves it. Because I'm done with media. I'm done with media voting

because it's just bias at this point. It's who I like. That's not how you're supposed to vote. It's not how you're supposed to vote it's not how you're supposed to vote because you're not understanding the media that is voting comes from

a generation that generation to them is the golden era which means they will protect it at all costs so that means if Joker is back toto-back, right? He's back-to-back, right? And he's supposed to win his third one,

and he has stats to win the third one because Larry Bird won three. They're going to give it to someone else. You can't keep fucking up the present because of the past. You can't protect the past anymore. Stop it already. So you're messing up people's legacy today for a legacy that is over.

It's done. Legacy, shit gets better, shit gets faster. Legacies get broke. That's just how it is. So you're saying basically that the media has control over the NBA players' legacies. Yes, they do. Huh.

So they've been holding us hostage this whole time. You just brought up a great point of how the fuck do we get out of this. Do you get out of it? I have more. Since they're literally, what he just told us, they control our legacies based on whether they like us or not. That's always been. But that's always been.

That's crazy. But, Sean, even to your point, from a coverage standpoint, about 100 media voters around about, how many of them are actually watching enough games to make an informed decision on who the MVP is? There's not enough time to be able to do that. Are they really sitting and going through every SGA game like you mentioned? I'm not interested in Thunder games. They're not a Premier League-ass team.

Yeah, that type shit. So, hey, I'm going to watch the Celtics. I'm going to watch the Nuggets for Joker. I'm going to watch Giannis. They're going to start doing some advanced stat shit. What the fuck is advanced stat and all that? Or true shooting percentage. Give me the real percentage.

What is the money? You're shooting 42%. Real shooting percentage. You're shooting 50%. No, fuck the real. He What is the... You're shooting 42%. Real shooting percentage. You're shooting 50%. No, fuck the real... He's shooting 40%. 40. All right?

He's a... He bricks. He bricks in real time. We've seen it. And we watch it. Lay up, miss. Lay up, miss. Oh, real shooting percentage.

You're shooting 50%. Give him something. You're using... You're using... You're using metrics to try to define somebody because you want him to look great. That's not how you're supposed to do anything. Well, it's their lazy

way. It's their lazy way of getting down to the bottom of the results. They're trying to figure out what we know from all the time we put in watching the sport. They try to shortcut it. They're you know, shortcut it. They're just trying to shortcut it. That's why we gave away our own awards, and SGA was the Gills Arena MVP.

Now you can see how much of a disconnect it really is. When you ask the players and ex-players who deserved it, 90% was in SGA. So the fact that you picked Joker, it just shows you how far you are disconnected and what you're looking at, how you're judging it is not real statistics. Like when you gave it to Steve Nash over Kobe and all the players is like, wait, what?

There's a reason. You're not guarding that motherfucker out there. That's why. You're not in front of him guarding. You sitting by your computer. Oh, that's a horrible shot. He's taking some bad shots. Seven people is guarding him, dog. You got the five and two refs.

There's five. There's seven people out here trying to guard this man. Okay, so why... I felt like they wanted Joker to win MVP, though. They wanted to boost his... Yeah. Why would you give it to SGA and not Jalen Brunson? Why...

Because based on what happened last season? Based on the whole... What's the average? 27? It went from, I think, 12 to 3? 12 to 2? But they got the... 12 to 2?

They got the 3! They got the 3. They got the 3. They finished second in the East. They finished second. 12... 12 to 2. 30 and number 1.

12 to 7? But no, no. But look. Brunson, 29, 7 and 4. They were the second. They were a second. 12, 12, 12. 30 and number one. 12, 27. But no, no. OKC last year was number one. Brunson, 29, 7, and 4. No, they was a 6. So 29 points.

OKC was like 5 or 6 last year. 29, 7 assists. No, OKC was like. Last year. 10, I believe. No, they was like 8. No. No, they were.

They didn't make the playoffs. They were 10th last year. They was in the play-in. Yeah, but they. They was like 9. They was 10. 10. In the play-in. They was OKC last year. They were in the play-in. Yeah, but they were like 9. They were 10. In the play-in? They still didn't make the playoffs. They still didn't make the playoffs. Hey, hey, hey, but Jalen's going from 12 to 2.

How's it going to 12? OKC was 9. They went from 9 to 1. 9 to 1. And then where was New York? Wait, in 20- New York went from what? New York went from 5th.

OKC was like this year. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. No, that's what I'm saying. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs.

OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. OKC was 10th in the playoffs. And then where was new you waiting 20 New York went from what? Okay Beginning of the year they were like Brunson Brunson bust Cleveland's ass and the Knicks were the second Fifth is earlier this year Okay, so you went from ten to one from-24, and the Knicks went from 5th and 23 to 2nd and 24. Yeah. I'm talking about earlier this year, the Knicks were like 11th. Man, which way are you going?

The beginning of the season. I started there. I started from the beginning of the season. No, we're talking about. I'm talking about from the beginning of the season to the end of the season. You're saying that OKC went from 10... No, from last season. Last season.

I'm not talking... Preseason ranking. What was New York at? Preseason ranking. I was talking about from the start of the beginning of this year. Preseason ranking. Draylon Brunson took his team from 10 to 2. What do we mean 10?

Where did they go from 10 to 2? Where did they get 10? Where did they get 10? So their preseason ranking was 5. Yeah. No, they finished 5 last year. they get 10? So their preseason ranking was five. No, they finished five last year. We don't know what their preseason ranking is. I'm assuming that their record was really bad. They lost all their players

and they were fifth last year. So that means preseason this year they'll be higher. This is what I'm saying. Earlier in the season when the season started, like the first 10, 20 games, they were at the lowest part of the Eastern Conference, and they built themselves up to number two.

But that doesn't matter because if you start at, let's say you start at four and go to 16, then go back to four, nigga, you been, that's you. You fucked up at the beginning of the season. But if I'm asking about the MVP, like why can't Jalen Brunson be considered an MVP? He was. He was considered. They gave him four. Behind Luka. Remember, the conversation

is about SGA versus Brunson. I'm like, alright, why can't Brunson be the MVP? So Joker in front of SGA and Luka's in front of Brunson. There you go. But the conversation is Brunson and SGA. Luka in front of Brunson. SGA used to y'all talking

about giving SGA the MVP yeah yeah I'm saying so why wouldn't you give it to Jalen Brunson because he didn't look because he didn't what because he didn't have the what he wasn't number one what did you say you said stats he did he have 30 you said he didn't have 30 did he average a triple it didn't look like that did he averagedouble? It didn't look like that. Did he average a triple-double? It didn't look like that. You want to go with the stats, Nick? You want to go with the stats? I'm just asking you because you just went there.

That's why he didn't get it because he didn't look like that. So he didn't have the stats to beat that. He should have been in front of Luka then. Don't say he's... No, it ain't look like that. It ain't look like that. That's why. SGA and Brunson look the same.

I thought Brunson is... SGA and Brunson look the same. No. I'm throwing Brunson in front of SGA. The season he had. Compared to SGA. Ooh. Oh, the season.

The whole season. Yeah. That's what we're talking about. The season. Playoffs. We're not talking about just numbers. Playoffs. We're talking about a nigga that took his team and took them through the...

Playoffs. Playoffs. Playoffs. Playoffs. Playoffs. Playoffs. I'm not just getting 30 just to get 30. They lost in the same way.

Oh, okay. I would say Brunson had a better postseason. His performance. Postseason performance. I'll say Brunson had a better postseason. His performance. Postseason performance. MVP performances. That's what I'm talking about. The SGA did not have any. Second MVP voting, Brunson fifth.

I'm just... But Brunson did average 29-7-4 in the regular season. 29-7-4 in the regular season. That sounds like 30. So Nick's preseason in the whole NBA, they was ranked 7th. Okay, 7. 7-2.

They went from 7-2. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. In the whole NBA. In the whole NBA, they was ranked 7th. So the only teams that was ranked in front of them was... They had Warriors 6th. They had Lakers 5th. They had Suns 4th.

They had Boston 3rd. Milwaukee 2nd. And Denver 1st. Where was OKC? Can you tap that white lady over here? Where was OKC? They have OKC 14th. Can you tap that white lady over here? What was OKC? They have OKC 14th. Can you tap that, sir?

14th, which makes them what? Press the bullshit sign. Can we get some? That was easy. That was easy. So their projection was 45 and 37 wins. He worried about too much over there. He got a dog. He worried about too much over there. He got a dog.

He worried about too much over there. He didn't even mind his fucking business. He got another one. I got a couple of them. They had the projection as a 45-win team this year. This is it. They said SGA would average 24 points a game. So, Joker got three MVPs?

Mm-hmm. Joker does have three MVPs. Who's the most? So... Yeah, so SGA just got to move around, man. Who all got three MVPs in history, though? Bird, Jordan, him. Kareem, I believe.

Kareem. Brian? Brian. Brian. In the last 40 years? Here we go. In the last 40 years, it's MJ, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Jokic. Where he fit on that list? What place he in?

I don't know. Can you ask me where does he fit on that list? I don't know. Fifth? With Jordan? So he fit on the list? I don't know. Fifth? He picked fifth. With Jordan? So we got Jordan. He picked him with the fifth.

No, Jordan. No one else in is Jordan. He picked him with the fifth pick. Jordan, Braun, Magic Bird, Jokic. As of right now, where the career is, where does Jokic, where is he at? He's fifth. He's fifth? Okay.

So he's fifth. So he's the worst player. To get out of that? Yeah, so he's's fifth. Okay. So he's fifth. So he's the worst player. To get out of that? Yeah, so he's the worst. Okay. But being the worst three-time MVP too, so he's the worst out of the five. I'm sorry I'm using the word worst. It just sounds better.

No, it doesn't, Gil. It does. Engage. He's the lowest. So where do you put him? Out of this group. What was the names? Michael Jordan, Ron James, Magic Johnson, Bird, Jokic.

Unnecessary, yo. Oh my. Here we go. Don't do this. Do not do this. Don't do this. Why y'all in so much competition with me? We just asking.

I can't help it. I can't help it. I can't help it. What the fuck is going on? I got to say what you niggas is thinking all the time. Don't say your own shit, Sean. Don't you dare have your own opinion about this shit. So where you got him?

Shit, man. I got him at five. Okay, so he's the worst. Where you got him? So, okay. It's just wording, right? It's just wording, right? I guess people, when you hear

worse, you forget that it was. But is there a number six? There's no six, right? It's just five. No, there's a five. Why does Joker have to be the worst out of them? Because he's the worst out of these five. So whoever's five got to be the worst. Okay, because I didn't want to use last place.

Yeah, he better than Kobe? I didn't want to say fifth. I'm only putting him five because I don't want to... No, what I'm saying is Kobe's not in that category. He ain't better than Braun. So he has to be last. I put him in front of Braun. Huh? I put him in front of Brown any day. You will do what now? You heard me.

You put Joker in front of Brown? Right now, what is that? For that five list? For the three-time MVP? For that list? The list of five? But you just said he was next year. There's only five.

Yeah, because God didn't want him, you know, get y'all all riled up. That's what I'm saying. His stats right now, because we're not finished, he's fifth. But he still has the rest of his career. But that was the point of why I did it like that. Right, right. Because I know where his stats are, so he's ranked fifth right now. But you know where he can end up.

Yeah, he can end up, you know. But I just said. He'll get another MVP. Yeah, of course. For sure. For sure. Where does that put him after that, though? The why?

Does that put him at the number one? The reason I didn't say 50 because Moses... He'll be the best player ever. No, the reason I didn't say 50 years is because Moses Malone in there. And focus might be like, I don't know who Moses Malone is. And they put him in there, then I'm wrong. No Moses Malone slander. I'm just saying.

I'm just... But nobody knows these new generations don't know Moses, so they'll be like, boy, he's better than Moses Malone. They'll be like, if I just keep it short, these four. So Moses is. It's not a hate. Moses isn't that. If you say 50 years, then Moses is.

Ain't Kareem in there? No. Kareem done nothing in there? Not in the last 40 years. Damn. I capped it off for a reason. With arguments. There was off for a reason. No argument. There was strategy involved in this. Just to get the splash out there, because I said worse.

And then when they had to do their research. Most 36-point games on a Tuesday after 4.39 p.m. Eastern. Cold work. On a full moon. So, Tatum, not the MVP frontrunner next season. Nah, nah. Luka. Luka. Luka won't win MVP.

No, it has to, like, I... I mean, no, I'm just saying for me. But, again, nigga, you came in third place. You're not in front of me. Luka won't win it next season. What did you do in a regular season when it finished? That's what I said. It's supposed to go into the season as it finished, right?

That's how we're supposed to start it, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah. I like looking at B, though. I like it. I'm pretty sure. That didn't beat you, Seth. I forgot about that. Go give it to Luka.

Just because I know where his mind is. No, no, no. And he got PG now. Can I ask you all a question, though, then? Can I ask you all a question though then can I ask you all a question? If that's go down no, no, that's gonna go down just a little bit. Let's just say 30 and 12 or something Okay, and they they finished first place. I obviously they're gonna finish damn your first or second. Yeah If they don't get hurt, though. If he keeps starting in square one. Two questionable niggas. Do they reward him because his team is first now,

even though they got another whole motherfucker to help them? And his performance goes down? His performance is going to go down naturally because they got a whole other player there. No, that wouldn't be fair to Jason Tatum. But you see how that, but now you see. That wouldn't be fair to Jason Tatum. See, because if they do it. if they don't he gets it cuz if

They do it for him beat and say your team is one you sacrificed then someone like Tatum. Yeah, it's a man motherfucker Because I got drew holiday I got poor Zingas and my stats had to go down for them to to come to this and then you penalize me But you give him the award? This is crazy. As I said, it's so much contradiction year after year, it makes the player confused. You don't know what to go into the season with.

Well, I mean, you shouldn't be playing for MVP anyway. Play to win the game. We don't know. But, yo, so you play to win the game. Shout out Herman. So what happens when they win the game? Like if Brunson averages the same, if he averages the same,

and then his team is one, MVP. I don't give a fuck if he averages 18, 12, and 5. MVP, dog. Because we don't expect him to be number one. So the fact that he goes through that and carries them, that's MVP. But that's not MVP performances, though. This is like having guys like when you was like the Atlanta Hawks

when they whole starting five made it to the All-Star game. And it was like, they not all All-Stars, right? But if you're not performing at that level of MVP, your performances aren't MVP, you just walking in and you got a good record. That doesn't say you're the best player. Why? If you got the best record and you got the most points on the team, how does that not say you MVP?

If you whoopin' everybody ass? Because your value is based on not only how the fans see you performance-wise and the respect that you're getting, oh, from all the players in the league, but you're dominating. You're not just in there just doing shit. You're dominating. So now, if you're on

the best team in the NBA, then, you're not going to have dominating performances like that for you to have the numbers. So how do we really judge it, then? So that's exactly why Jokic has been getting the MVP, because he's the number one team. But he don't have no other all-stars around him. He's the only

guy, the focal point. So then he's putting up the numbers on top of that. We got to believe that. They had a team that could have been college. And I never said that he had MVP performances. Like, he doesn't have those performances like I've seen, like Brunson's have those performances and a couple other players.

Embiid had those type of performances. But Joker has the the consistency and the know-how So just stay in that conversation. If you're in the conversation, you got to give it to somebody Why are you not gonna give it? But that's what I'm saying. You're just give it if you want to give it to somebody Well, you're giving it to me doesn't say he's getting so much credit for his assists. Yes So the twenty twenty 12, and 9 assists. 34, 12, and 5 assists.

Which one is actually better? Even if you said Luka's stats. They say Luka next to Joker. Then I say point guard versus me. 34, 9, and 9 is a... I'm saying point guard. I mean, that's what I'm saying. 34, 9, and 9.

34, 9, and 9 is... 34, 9, and 9. That is... Right? That99. That is, right? That is a point guard, right? A point guard is giving you 10. That is. But that's what I'm saying. That's a damn near big point guard.

That's what I'm saying. Even when Dirk won his MVP, right? Shit, D. Rose won his. 24-9-3. Hmm. I think D. Rose had like 23. Well, it was back then. Back then. 25-3. Hmm. I think D. Rose had like 23. Well, it was back then. Back then.

They all beat LeBron. 25-10. 25-10-4. That was LeBron. But he wasn't. But there was other big. His team was number one. Chris Bosh was the only one doing anything similar.

They didn't want to give it to LeBron. That's the year LeBron. Yeah, they didn't want to give it to LeBron. That was his third. That was his three-peat. And that was his three-peat. But that was his three-peat. They keep giving it to Joker.

But that was his three-peat. But that was his three-peat. So the three-peat because you're trying to protect somebody else's three-peat. And that was his three-peat. But that was his three-peat. But they keep giving it to Joker, but they keep giving it to LeBron. But that was his three-peat. So the three-peat because you're trying to protect somebody else's three-peat. Yeah. Just like Jerry West. The heroes are just better. Just like the Jerry West stuff, right? The guy on the losing team winning NBA finals.

He was getting buckets, though, Gil. Oh, no, LeBron, that year didn't get buckets? Yeah. I mean, so that's what I'm sayingBron, that year didn't get buckets? Yeah. I mean, so that's what I'm saying. You're trying to protect... He got four votes. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. We will stay in the Eastern Conference.

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fourth in the East, won their first playoff series since 2018, but fired coach J.B. Bickerstaff after five seasons, replaced him with Kenny Atkinson, who spent the last three seasons on the Warriors staff. So for his career, Spiders averaging 28 points, five rebounds, five assists in the postseason, but he's never advanced past the second round. What do y'all think about Donovan Mitchell signing an extension with the Cleveland Cavaliers? The East is the best, baby. The best at what? The best conference.

The East is, in your opinion, the best conference? For sure. The best conference? The Eastern Conference is better than the West. Hell no. From top to bottom? We just seen it. We just seen it. What Boston did to Dallas. Nah.

You know? I think the East got more weak teams to Dallas. You know? I think the East got more weak teams. Oh. Not this year. Man, the West... The West got big names, but that's it. Come on, basketball. Basketball, he watching. I don't know, but the West...

He watching. He watching. All right, tell me what team is better than... Tell me what team is better than Boston, Philly, the Bucks, New York right now. Better than them? Yes, tell me. Minnesota, Denver.

Hell, come on. Dallas. How can you say that? LA. How can you say that? Dallas beat them, and they got swept by goddamn Boston. Yeah, they beat them. That's not how it works.

It don't mean that you're better. It don't mean that you're better. It means that you won't mean you're better. It don't mean that you're better. It means you won the game. No. Who you won? It don't mean that you're a better team, bro. You can't tell. It don't mean you're the better.

You know how many trash teams over there are easy? Minnesota's not better than Boston. Name the bad teams. Minnesota's not better than Boston. Name the bad teams in the East. Phoenix was healthy. They were healthy. Name the bad teams in the East.

The bad teams in the East? Yeah. Um, Indiana. Let him teams in the East? Yeah. Any other? Let him. Let him. Go ahead. That's about it. Wait.

That's it? Indiana's bad? That's it? That's like the least of the... That's it. He ain't bringing up Wizards and shit. No, we're saying

on the East, bro. What do you mean? He said on the East. No. On the East, Boston, 64 wins. The second best team, 50 wins. The second best team, 50 wins.

The third best team, 49 wins. Oh, OKC was the best team in the West. OK, so... They fucking would get killed by Boston. So, so... They would get swept. So, Thunder, 57 wins is first place. Who's next, Gil?

Second place, 57 wins. Third place, 56 wins. Third place, 56 wins. Fourth place, 51 wins. Fifth place, 50 wins. Sixth place, 49 wins. Tell me, it don't matter. It don't matter now? No matter.

Now you're just going to stand on business, huh? All right, so let's say, so you're taking Philly. This Philly team is taking Minnesota over this Philly team. Who on this bench is taking this? Minnesota over Philly right now on this bench? It's a good matchup. No, no, it's a good matchup. Hold on, hold on. I'm taking Philly. I'll take Philly. I'll take Philly.

Right now, this coming season. Nigga, they just got a whole superstar. That's what I'm saying. Motherfucker, that's what I'm saying. So who else? We ain't finished yet. Who else? Yeah, keep going. Who else?

We haven't finished yet. Who you taking over Philly? We just said. Are you winning? Are you taking Dallas over Philly? We don't know. We ain't winning. Go ahead.

You can't say that. I don't give a fuck. We don't know. We ain't finished. Are you taking Dallas over Boston? No. Are you taking Dallas over Boston? No.

All right then. With Clay? With Clay? With Clay? Over with Clay? That was the best team in the West this year. With Clay? No.

He's not the, I'm not, no. I'm not taking nobody. They got new players. I'm not taking nobody. They got new players. I'm not taking nobody until free agency is finished, motherfucker. Hey, fact. You can't say that. Let me know when it's finished. So right now.

Yeah, you saying that now. Right now. Because they got PG. You don't know who's going to get anybody in. Right now. Who else can you get? It's over. I'm still taking Dallas over Philly right now.

Okay, so if Denver gets the. So if Denver get the Rosen. If Denver get the Rosen. Who? Denver. Denver get the Rosen. Denver get the Rosen. Two niggas can't post up at the same spot. I'm just asking.

That's all. I'm just asking. They don't. What that mean? They can't post up at the same spot. I don't know. What? Throwing shit out.

What is that? Two niggas can't do what? It's two different blocks, Nick. It's one block on this side, one block on this side. Joker need people that can shoot threes. He done lost KCP. He done lost goddamn Reggie F. Whatever the nigga, Reggie Jackson.

They think they can make it without Bruce Bowen. They see they can make it without Bruce, damn Bruce Brown, whatever nigga name, man. That was the key? Yes. They got the ass booked this year. That was, man. That was the key? Shit, yes. They got their ass booked this year. That was the key? Bruce Brown, damn. Bruce Brown.

Back to the topic at hand. Are you a Philly man now? No, I'm saying the East is better. Didn't they bench your ass? They did. You said, hate Philly to the core. I'm not saying it. Nigga, I'm just saying it.

Who better than Philly? Who better than New York? I'm just saying. Who's taking over New York right now? What you're right now is what you doing on the team in Philly. New York? New York nice. I like New York. I like New York. I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, okay. And that's like the, that's like the...

He talking about the new, he talking about the new New York. The new with Miguel, okay. Yeah. He talking about... Miguel? No, they... With Miguel. No, Miguel.

He came over to bring him. They got better. New York and Philly got better. Everybody is getting better. It ain't over, though. You're jumping the gun. But what you got right now, man? You crazy.

You crazy. They ain't stupid, bro. We getting DeRozan. Hell no. They ain't getting no goddamn DeRozan. Compton will be whooping LeBron ass. You crazy. We getting DeRozan. He can't cuss LeBron out, no. We ain't get no goddamn DeRozan. Compton will be whooping LeBron ass. You crazy. We get DeRozan.

He can't cuss DeRozan out. We don't need to. He needs shooters. No, we got one. No, DeRozan don't need to come here. DeRozan's coming. If they did that shit to Westbrook, they ain't going to do it to DeMar. They're trying to get Trey.

They can't do that shit to DeMar. Back to the topic at hand. Back to the topic at hand. Donovan Mitchell signing a three-year extension with the Cleveland Cavaliers who finished fourth in the East and won their first playoff series since the LeBron era. No DeMarce. Brandon, how do you feel about the Cavs

investing in Donovan Mitchell with the three-year extension? And I will add the caveat that with this deal, it'll fast-track him to his 10 years of service criteria to be eligible for a five-year, $380 million deal in 2027. That's back season. Number one

option. For number one option, Donovan Mitchell. Can't be that trash. Nobody said he was trash. He's just not a number one option. For the current number one option of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Donovan Mitchell. I'm not rolling with Donovan Mitchell as a number one option.

No, I'm going to keep saying that. So I don't give him three A's. If you get three A's, top five. Top five. So you don't got him a top five shooting guard? Shooting guard, top five. I mean, that's fine. So he's a number one option? Number one option, bro.

If he's a top five shooting guard, he's a number one option. He just don't like the nigga. Oh. What'd he do? What'd he do? No, I didn't say he wasn't good. Hey, hey, hey. Damn, why'd I have to like his game? I don't like the way he does it. There's a third by damn

I gotta sit here and walk like you like his game You can wave first the Wayne waves the NBA champion. We play just like D Wade. No, we don't he don't we don't at all Like the same you don't play at all. Like the way we got the same body type. Yeah, okay body time I said he's a great player. Damn. I gotta like him like that Like God Randy you are you are free to like and dislike whoever you Hang with niggas that got rings, bro. What do you do man? With Steph Curry like what do you do man? Bring bring bring the number one options to the talk about talk to Kyrie Like, come on. What do you do, man? Bring the number one options to the... That's what I'm talking about. I talk to Kyrie.

Come on, bro. What? I'm playing. Next. What do you do, man? Nothing. Nothing, bro. You're going to have to tell us.

You're going to tell us. Nothing. I don't even know the guy. Brandon, this is a safe place. I don't know the guy. This is a safe place. It's just us and 20,000 people in the chat. I fuck with niggas with rain.

Yeah, what happened, man? What did you do, man? I mean, I fuck with real number one options. Damn. What are you talking about? Niggas fucked up, man. They should've got them. And do you all, besides Brandon, feel like Donovan Mitchell is number one option? But can he be a number one option?

First of all, I said he's not a number one option on the championship. That's what I said. That is not what you said. I know you're trying to save this. He said that. He said that. You said that when we was having the conversation. You said that. He said it about Brunson.

Yes. Trust me. I remember it all. No, he said it. You said you're not fucking with Donovan Mitchell at all. No, I said he's not the number one. I said you're not fucking. You said I'm the number one.

That's right. But that's why I say that. He's not the number one. But that's why I say that because history's why I say that because history says... There's only a few. There's only a few people that's a number one option on the championship team. It ain't a lot of motherfuckers out there

that's actually a number one option on the championship team. Donovan Mitchell is 380 qualified. He's a number one option. On a championship team? On a championship-level team. That's what you think. Like, all right, what is considered?

Like, the Warriors, where he'll be on that team? If he's where? On the Warriors. With Steph? Are they, I mean, are they considered a championship team at that point? Yeah. They're a dynasty. But is he the number one option on that team?

Put him on Denver. Put him on Philly. Put him on Philly. I like him. I like him. Put him on Bucks. He's not the number one option on any of those teams. OKC, I like him number one. But he didn't even championship team.

They're not? Dallas? He ain't going to be number one option in Dallas. That's all I said. He can get his 380. For the most part, a point guard themselves, history has said, you're not a number one option.

Steph and Isaiah Thomas really is it. As that main guy who's scoring guard themselves history said when you're not a number one option like steph and isaiah thomas really is it as that main guy who's scoring doing it other than that you it is generational two three four five so like just the way okay you said the way way right if the way way didn't have that supporting cast i don't even think he would have been what was shackley yeah yeah but the supporting cast was you don't think he would have won a championship if he didn't have Shaq? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think him having that, that's what I'm saying.

He needs that type of help to be the number one option on the championship team, like Dwyane Wade. So Dwyane was still the number one option, though. That's fine, but he wouldn't have won a championship, though, without that supporting cast. If you take Shaq off that team and some of them, they're not winning the championship. But Dwyane Wade

has the number one option. I don't believe that. So could the same be said about Donovan Mitchell? If he got that level, that caliber of supporting cast, he would be the number one option and he would win the championship.

He needs that. He needs that. And low key, if you look at that team, that second one with Gary Payton and them, if you look at that roster, they had like 15 players. 12 of

them was lotteries. I was like, man, this is crazy. It was an all-star team. I don't know if anybody, I don't know where they ranked that group as a group. Jason Williams was on that team. Jay, Chad, Lonzo. You know what I mean? That team is crazy.

Posey was top five. Yeah, they were all You had 12 lotteries. It don were all. You had 12 lotteries. It don't matter. You got 12 lotteries. That was old. That was lottery. That was. They wasn't that old, though.

They wasn't. Oh, that was 06, bro. They wasn't old. Shaq, too. They were old. Shaq was hired in 2010 and shit. No, no, it was older Shaq, but he still got me. I mean, but that team was older, though.

That team was old. He was fortunate. He was young. No, he was fortunate. He got an older team to just push him up. How old was Shaq in 04? 28. He just came off the three feet, right? When they won at 2006 you would have been what 30 32. Yeah, he was 32 is not old. Oh, that's not old today Yeah today back then that was back then

He was retired by, what, 35? Mike came back to play at 40 at that point, bro. He was retired. That's a different history. He's talking about Mike. He's talking about Mike. Shaq kept playing through 39. But Shaq. 32, yes.

Shaq in Miami was different. I'm just telling you when his last season in the National Basketball Association was. Relax. Shaq in Phoenix. Shaq in Boston. Shaq in Boston. Shaq in Cleveland. No, we ain't even looking at Shaq. Miami Shaq is where we, so 2008 Miami Shaq 36.

Donovan Mitchell deserves his flowers for sure. Give Donovan Mitchell some love. Despite any kind of hate. What are you talking about? Despite any kind of hate that's going. No, but we're speaking on something else. Yeah, we're not talking. Get your money.

Despite any kind of hate. Three-year, $150 million extension. He's got. But I can tell you right now, he ain't happy with this deal. He's not. No. But he's got. So now it's basically four years guaranteed with this season plus the three extension.

But what I'm saying is he's not happy with this deal because that 65 game kind of screwed him a little bit because he didn't get to get the All-NBA team to get the Supermatch. Exactly. Because if he would have got the All-NBA, what was his deal would have been? For the Supermatch, it could have been like two something. Damn near 280.

With that three extension. He lost a lot of money. He still qualifies. You said he qualifies for 380, though. Uh, in 2027. If he makes all NBA teams. He's got to make an all NBA team in that year or the year before.

You don't think he will? He don't get enough. He should have made it this year. He should have made it. He only played 55 games. Y'all ain't seen what them people doing, man. No, I just see that my man over here is hating on my man for He should have made one. Maxie should have made it to him, right?

Yeah. And why they didn't give it to him? There's not enough spots. Hallenberg. Okay. No, no, no. Not enough spots. They wouldn't put Hallenberg.

Exactly. Let me just ask you. Let me just ask you something. If you're an owner for Philadelphia and you know we voting, how much you going to pay us not to vote for Maxie a lot of cheese sticks that got maybe acting like this shit don't happen I know for sure dog if he makes this team he's getting paid three something I would rather pay you a million dollars not to vote for him I need him I want I want him back, but I don't want him at that high ticket. Because if he gets that, think about it.

If he made the all-NBA team, there's no Paul George. And you're telling me y'all don't think these motherfuckers be behind the scenes. If I know you vote for this man and he makes this team. I'm going to be walking down the street with a shot with a needle. I'm just trying to tell you, man. Think about it. If he makes the all-NBA team, they do not have the money for Paul George. with a shot with a needle. I'm just trying to tell you, man. Think about it. If he makes the all-NBA team,

they do not have the money for Paul George. So it's in their best interest. I'm a hater. That's your 12? Yeah. They want that, though. Don't you want a player that got credentials? You want that.

That looks better. You can afford it. Yes, you can. Does Donovan Mitchell get the respect that he deserves in the league for what he's been able to accomplish? No. He seems like he doesn't get the Donovan Mitchell. Facts! Where has he been playing? In Utah. Utah, we done

forgot about. We didn't even know Utah was still a state part of the NBA. And then now he in Cleveland. Nobody. We stopped paying attention to Cleveland in 2000. What? 17, 18? 18. Yeah.

2018, we stopped paying attention to Cleveland. We get mad that our team got to go there. Like, God. Are you fighting for Donovan Mitchell? I am. I am. Because he good. And the niggas need to put some respect on his name.

Put some respect on his name. But that's the thing. Him and Jiggas need to put some respect on his name. Put some respect on his name. But that's the thing. Him and Jalen Brown need to respect. Jalen Brown needs respect. Jalen Brown needs respect. Put some respect on LeBron James. LeBron deserves some respect as well. Reggie Miller.

He's not even better than his sister. That is a great argument. Cheryl was cold. That cold that's not a knife they still got a debate about that right now but I'm taking Reggie with the curl Cheryl was cold alright so after the Cavs season ended

there was a report from the Athletic that if Mitchell signed an extension all star point guard Dears Garland would have asked for a trade but according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst there isn't a strong market for Garland at this time, and there's still uncertainty if he will be moved. So Garland signed a five-year max rookie extension back in 2022, under contract through 2028. Mitchell is about to turn 28 in September. Garland will be 25

in January. If the Cavs did end up trading Garland or moving him, are they making the right decision picking Donovan Mitchell over Darius Garland? No, it's not that they're I guess they are picking him when they sign him. So at this point you gotta trade him.

You have to because he's already said that And these were just reports. Is there any way to say? We don't know if it's true? There were reports that article dropped right after the Cavs season ended that basically alluded to that. But the fact that you even put that in the air. Yeah. Now because you put it in the air, you have to trade

them because what happens when they play together? We're looking for we're looking for this beef now. Well, they would have got rid of it immediately if it wasn't true. They would have came out and said something. Because that's a lot. Yeah.

You're saying a lot. That's a lot. In front of the world, like, yeah, if he signed back, I'm out of here. What happened, though? Like, they don't click with them. Look, JB gone, though. Think about that. JB gone.

Donovan Mitchell, I believe, signed off on Atkinson, and that was part of the reason he decided to sign the extension. So I think Garland and JB was like this. Okay, and then? And Donovan was like, yeah, y'all going to have to. But is Garland healthy? Because he'd be hurt a lot though, right? Yeah, he was hurt half the season. We don't know what hurt is at these days. At these days.

I'm just saying. The motherfucker don't want to play, man. He don't know what to play. Mental health. I mean, you know what it reminds me of? I'm surprised that didn't work out mean, you know what it reminds me of? That didn't work out, though. You know what it reminds me of? Garland played 57 games regular season this season.

It reminds me of when Kyrie was coming into his own and Braun came. Stunned at the growth, right? Garland made the all-star game and Donovan Mitchell came and stunned at the growth. Took some shots. Right? So it's like, and then as a young dude, you're going to give it to the older dude, knowing damn well, like, come on, man. I need to do my thing.

I think that was JB in that offense. Remember, before Garland got there, JB wasn't there yet, I don't believe. He might have had one year with him, JB Bickerstaff. Oh. So then Garland turned into a traditional point guard after that All-Star season. Because that All-Star season, he looked like Kyrie. That's why I can't compare. I'm like, bro, he got that Kyrie vibe.

He was on another level. That's what I'm saying. And I think that's what it is. He's like, yo, I'm being studied right here. So if I'm going to play with somebody, I'd rather play in a chance of winning something. So trade me. I get it. But, I mean, does it seem, if I'm going to play with somebody, I'd rather play in a chance of winning something. So trade me. I get it.

But, I mean, does it seem, and I know your point, that the news has already been out there, hasn't been refuted, but they don't play in the same position. It seems like. They do. They do, yeah. They both play the ball. It's a one, it's a one, two type of style.

Yeah. I see Garland in the Lakers, though. I love that. But you got to get rid of something. So who are you going to get rid of? Who are you going to throw? style. Yeah. I see Garland and the Lakers, though. That makes sense. I love that. But you got to get rid of something, so who you going to get rid of? Who?

I mean, Sugar Daddy? Lemon Daddy? Who they throw you? Lemon Daddy? You get rid of Lemon Daddy? Who is this? Huh?

I mean, can he get off the Lakers? No. Who? Hell yeah. No. You got to throw that ball. It don't matter.

He's going to play the same way he played this year with the Lakers. I don't know. He will. I don't like it. I don't like it either. I don't matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gonna play the same way he played this year. No, no. With the Lakers. Hey, I don't know. He will. I don't like it.

I don't like it either. I don't like it. He can do whatever he wants. Bro, it says a lot to me though that Klay turned down that $80 million though to go play. I don't like that. When Ron was gonna take a cut. That says a lot. I don't know what's going on over there.

He don't want to fuck with Ron and them. He don't want the... I thought that was the ideal thing, him and CP both going to LA. No, no, no. Both of them old niggas. Listen. Y'all need something. Let me take Garland though.

So that four for 80, give up something for Garland. That four for 80 getting turned down embarrassing for the Lakers? Hell yeah, when Brown was going to take a pay cut. How come everybody getting offered 80 million? Huh? Everybody 80? Then the fake coach, what was his deal? I'm talking about 70.

Huh? How everybody get these overinflated numbers versus what they getting? Stop it, man. They put it on the table for him. Who? Huh? You talking about Clay coming to the Lakers? Four-year 80 million.

No. He ain't got no gut, man. Four-year 80 million. Y'all ain't have that? Why would we offer him four-year $80? Because LeBron was going to take a picture. When his number, his number is three-year $50, two-year $48, two-year $45. Why would we jump up and double it for no reason?

Because light-skinned dudes are... Because you have to get a ring. Yeah. Come on, man. Play Thompson. Who be putting these numbers out there, man? Who be. Well, did anybody deny it? No. Okay. Well, they ain't denied I get tomorrow like you said They gonna be all in the paint. Oh you guys trying to get all right here in the paint

They trying to get rid of DLO desperately. So Garland the Lakers they came you think it would not work You know, you think it would be a good move. Wait, what there's Garland to the Lakers, you think it would not work, D'Lo? You think it would be a good move? Wait, what? Darius Garland to the Lakers? Yeah. If a move was made from the cap? Waste of talent. No.

Waste of talent. He can get there. He can do all that. No, hell no. He ain't got none of that. He ain't got none of that. That's what we need. Whoever it is, we need them ultra aggressive.

We don't need you playing point guard. Yeah. We don't need no point guard. We got a 40-year-old point guard. We don't need. He can do whatever he want. You got to come out here and get buckets. You got to be a bucket here.

You got to get Bron off that one, man. You got to be a bucket. And Bron has been coming off the ball a lot more than later. Bronny, congratulations to Bronny. A major pick up with the 55th pick. Don't put that kind of pressure on us, man. Congratulations, man. Great value with the 55th overall pick.

Bronny like, man, hey, relax. It's a good story. Bronny told me to tell you niggas relax. We have a special. He said relax. It's a good story. We have a special guest pulling up to the arena right now. Our very own Kenya Martin.

He has. Can you order some dope? What's going down? He got a big ass box. He got a big-ass box. He got a big-ass... Big-ass case with something in it. He whoops your ass, Dan. He whoops your ass being there. Come in. We couldn't get him in for the game.

He's like, yeah, I'm busy right now. Whoop his ass for me. We got Kenyon Martin in the arena. It's hot. It is hot. That's why we got the fan going. Hey, man, I don't know if y'all know, but me and my man got down together, man, one time. Okay. Okay. You did?

So, y'all came with this championship shit here one day, right? Uh-huh. So, we on some championship shit too. So, Meshad McCants. Here we go. Hold on, what is this? Check it out.

Oh, there it is. Oh. Big three champion, Rashad McKiss. You all right? Championship Charles. Okay. You all right? Okay.

You all right, championship Charles. And this guy. So there ain't no bluffing going on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The winner's over here, honey. Okay Big three champion. Yes. Can you mark me with John McKay? Another trophy to add to. Ah! That's right there, my G. Yeah, that's what I got. Yeah, man.

I wish I had just this little light stand for the work. You know what I'm saying? Work, you see it light up. You just got to walk around. You said right there. Put a light. Put a light stand, a little light stand. You get a ring with yours or no?

Huh? First one, do it. Y'all just playing catch up. The inaugural Big Three champion. They gave us real diamonds. Yo. Everybody's... My thing is, until somebody go undefeated, I don't want to hear it.

We can go undefeated right now. No, no, for the season. We'll see if we 3-0. We 3-0. We 3-0. We can slide over. We 3-0 that. Welcome Kaelin Martin back into the arena. Go 10-0. We can slide over. Welcome Taylor Martin back into the arena.

Go 10-0. Then you can talk to me. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody going to go 10-0. He said it's hot. I heard about the team. I heard the team is okay. I heard the team is okay. We good, though.

We could go 10-0 if our best player had uh, yeah both his eyes We win the championships one. That's how talented we are. We don't need both to get so Unnecessary We shot MVP of the Big 3 as well. Multiple buttons. Multiple buttons. He came through with the buttons. You got to call full system.

Go ahead, man. Do your thing. I got you, dog. Ken, we appreciate you bringing that big-ass trophy all the way across town. That bitch got some weight to it, too. That bitch got some weight to it. For sure. Different.

So we were talking about Darius Garland potentially going to the Lakers. There was a report after the Cavs season ended that if Donovan Mitchell re-signed, Garland would ask for a trade. Well, there you have it. Has not been refuted. Do you think Darius Garland will be a good fit

for the Lakers if he does make a move? I know. Exactly. I just don't think a real point guard can play with LeBron James. That's all. Do you think he's a real... What he does well, what he does well,

LeBron takes that away from him. That's what we're saying about him saying he's leaving in the last year. He played point guard. They made him play. But that's why he ain't happy. That's why he ain't happy doing that. He don't like it.

No, he ain't happy sharing that shit with Donovan Mitchell. Collin Sexton and him played on the same team. Collin had him off the ball where he can run around and beat Kyrie. That's where he played the best basketball. That's what LeBron do with Kyrie. So why LeBron can't do that with him? Because LeBron needs the ball. He needs somebody that can score and do all the other shit. That's what Ron did with Kyrie, so why can't Ron do that with him? Because Ron needs the ball. He needs somebody that can score and do all the other shit.

He does need that. Yeah. But I don't know if he going to own the thing. It don't look that way. It don't come off that way. If he did it with Kyrie and you said he can't do it with a fake Kyrie. When Kyrie came in and said in the press conference, I need my own team.

Yep. That's because he was cocky. Now he's back in the same place. He's humble. Now he was trying to get back to the Lakers. Back to LeBron. He was trying to get back to LeBron. Stepbacks all day.

I think he had a point in his career, though, where he just... Hey, watch it. Who, Kai? No, Darius Garland. He's younger, man. Yeah, he's still trying to be... Establish himself. Establish himself.

He's going to be that guard for the future. Like you said, that all-star. It stunts their growth when you play with LeBron, unfortunately. But, bro, he got three years. Certain positions. Other positions, not so much. If you're a point guard, it stunts your growth playing next to LeBron. Shit, Mario Chalmers was saying that.

But, bro, he got three years left, though. I got you. Two, three. But, shit, it's still three years of him playing a different role. Like, if he comes in shooting a 17, a 16, a shot. I was eating the. If he comes in shooting 16, 17 shots. Property value terrible over here.

Yeah. He wasn't even doing that with Cleveland. No, no, no, I'm looking at it. I'm looking, like, he shot 14 last year. But the year he won that, the year he made the All-Star, 17 shots, it was all around him the whole offense We need we just need someone who's aggressive like we can't just rely on the old dude number is that but I don't think that's the One though You somebody go get a bucket like that don't rely on LeBron to have to facilitate for him

Is he gonna be a star type dude though that point guard? If he doesn't I we, he has to play for himself. All right, we need him in Kyrie mode. Like, just go, just, when you have the ball, attack. All right, let LeBron figure out everything else. Who's out there like that, though? That plays like that. Nobody right now.

Nobody. At that position? Get you a bucket? At that position, nobody. But him. That's not like it was like when D'Lo was aggressive. I think Collin Stetson can get a bucket. Not like, no, no. I think he can get a bucket. He's a two-way guy.

You know what's funny about, you know what's funny about when you watch him in college, y'all remember that game where the team fouled out and this motherfucker just carried everybody. I thought that was the guy that was coming to the game. Like, when you watch him in college, y'all remember that game where the team fouled out and this motherfucker just carried everybody? I thought that was the guy that was coming to the NBA that was going to be just... He did, though.

It was just Garland came in and just overpowered him. And then they sent him to fucking Utah. Yeah, I'm about to say that. And now he coming off the bench in Utah behind a young nigga, but he's still averaging 17 off the bench. Yeah, you're right. He had that 20. He had that 24 He had that 24 year and then went down to 16 14. Yeah section and the white boy three on five against Minnesota No, we don't fight. He was three on Utah? Yeah, he's still on Utah. Wasn't Avery? You can get him from the way.

The Admiral. What is his name? David Robinson? No. No. Avery Johnson. Wasn't Avery Johnson his coach? Let me see.

At Alabama? Avery Johnson's the general. Alabama. No, I'm saying Avery Johnson was coach of Alabama. And then he left. That wasn't. That's what's happening. I believe Avery was there.

Avery was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went happening. I believe Avery was there. Avery was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went to Alabama. Avery Johnson was there. Avery Johnson, big fan of Gil's Arena. Come on, I'll tell you that, Gil. I was going to say, that's... You said the Admiral.

Yeah, the Admiral. That's all I remember. Whatever I think of his name, I just like the Admiral. Would y'all go with one of the young PGs from Orlando? Uh. Cole Anthony? What's the name of free agent? That shit in Orlando.

Yo. Okay, Fultz. free agent? That shit in Orlando. Yo, Foltz. He aggressive. Foltz, for sure. Former number one pick. Yeah. Listen, he gonna come over to LA, that light's gonna be bright as hell. I do like him, because when he is aggressive, he is aggressive.

He comes downhill. But you know how it is in LA. He'll disappear. He'll disappear. I know what that late game. He'll disappear. He'll disappear. I know what you're saying. He'll disappear. By game 40, they're going to be like, man, where he at?

There's one person out there. Is Ben Simmons up free? Who? The Nets are having a fire sale. He may become available via trade. We don't want him on trade. We want him free. Okay, well, he is not free currently.

He is under contract. He's making the Kings ransom steal. Y'all take Ben Simmons? They're making the Kings ransom steal. The'all take Ben Simmons? They're making the King's ransom steal. The Nets are, the reports the Nets are trying to look for a move. He retired.

He retired. Ben Simmons? Yeah. No. Oh, he retired, so. He's got one year remaining on his deal. He's getting $40 million

this year. Lord. Oh, he did. That's serious. He ain't gonna retire. 40? Ben still playing. D-Lo gave Vincent in a number. He ain't going to retire. 40? Ben still playing. D-Lo gave Vincent in a pick for Benson.

No, no, no. Not doing that. Not doing that. Ben not available. Huh? Ben don't play basketball. He don't play. His back might loosen up with this beautiful California weather.

I don't see nobody. I don't see nobody available to go to the Lakers. Shit about PG, man. DeMar. That's it. DeMar, that's it. For a piece they need. DeMar and? He's free. Listen, DeMar and what's the. DeMar, that's it. For a piece they need. DeMar and...

He's free. Listen, DeMar and... What's the name? He's free. Miles Bridges. Two big white boys. And Miles Bridges. Miles Bridges going back

to Charlotte, watch. But I'm telling you, you know what I'm saying? Whoever gets DeMar, it changes, and whoever gets Zach, if it's a contender, if the contender gets him.

Well, if the Bulls have the fire, say a Vucevic is the move. Yes. If it's a trade, no. Y'all need Vucevic. You can't get both of them. You need a big. You need a five, man.

You need a five. LeBron don't play the three no more. No, but if Ant get hurt, you're dead. You need something to back him up. He can't keep up play the three no more. No, but if he can't get hurt, you're dead. You need something to back him up. He can't keep up with threes anymore. You're going to bring Bouchevich to play the bench? To sit on the bench? No, you just need another power force.

You need another power force that can back up him. LeBron is a four. He can't play the three. You going to put AD to the three? No, AD is a four. Who are you going to play the three? LeBron? You got Austin Reeves. You got Deion Feller, you just drafted.

He can guard the other guy. He can guard the other guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's coming off the bench, bro. Who? Butchery's not coming to me. He's like the fourth best big in the NBA. Yeah, he's a double.

He's a 20 and 15, 24 and 15. We playing small. What you need. We playing small. And this NBA. This ain't Chicago Bulls, this the Lakers. All right? You was doing all that shit with the Bulls, now over here you gonna sit on this bench and give us a double-double?

Nah, nah. You gonna have to start. You gonna double-double. Now when he average, he's career that. Them career numbers, it ain't just... So that's LeBron at the three then, right? LeBron plays the point guard. We're just trying to figure out who he gonna guard. He gonna have to guard the four. He gonna have to guard the four. Who, LeBron plays the point guard. He has the ball. He can guard the four on the other end.

He can guard the four on the other end. Who, LeBron? Yeah, that's fine. He can guard the four. He can guard the three. Come on, man. What three? He's just doing... Anthony Davis said he's the defensive player of the year, goddammit. Put him on the three. I used to have to do it. You can't guard the threes no more, man.

That's all I'm saying. When I thought I was the best defender on the floor, guess who I guarded? I don't want you to guard. Fucking Tracy, Vint, fucking Tracyn Allen Iverson around, fucking Reggie, fucking Glenn, Jalen Rose, Allen Houston, Sprewell. I played the four, but I guarded the fucking everybody. I did not.

We can't have Bambi Niggz out there running around. Like, come on. We can't have Bambi Niggz out there running. Yeah, Bambi Legs. We can't have Bambi Legs out there running around. We got some old legs here. Listen. Anthony Davis. Put Anthony Davis on. Bambi Legs got to stay at the fire.

Yeah, he came out, but that's what I'm saying. Them big-ass shoes he be wearing, man, he be wearing medicine shoes, man. Like, ah, damn. Well, as soon as he look like he about to attempt to, like, he about to fall, man. Yeah, I need to score for sure. Yeah, you need to score. Score ain't a big. Mark Rosen is the move. We will see what the Lakers do, Rob.

Which is nothing. Get on the phone. Make some moves. Before we move on, we got a couple of polls we got to update y'all on. So we asked to chat best NBA conference. 72% said the West. No surprise. We also asked to chat is Donovan Mitchell number one option in the NBA.

55% said yes. But that wasn't the question the question. Okay. I'm just what was it merely hosting? What was the pool the question was that which is Donovan Mitchell number one option in it wasn't there what 55% said yes Okay, 45% we said the question was on a championship team. You gotta add the context to it I will I will relay the message and And that answer is no. And the answer is no. See? Okay. So he's right. But get your 380.

Get your money. No, get your money. Oh, he's saying the same thing. He's saying the same thing as you. He'll get you a bucket. No, no, he ain't going to get you a bucket. Y'all both. So our producer wanted to point out, it doesn't matter.

This is more damning. This is saying he's not one, period. Right? But no one said that he's not one. But 55% said yes. 45% said he's not a number one option I don't know what happened over there not even on the championship team just in general bubble Donovan Mitchell Yeah

Listen change let's move over to the Western Conference So after getting way by the Warriors CP 3 didn't stay in the free agent market long with the future Hall of Famer making his next move his best move, agreeing to a one-year, $11 million deal with the Spurs to play with last season's Rookie of the Year, Victor Wimbinyama. Paul shifted to a reserve role for the first time in his career with the Warriors last season, averaging 9.7 assists, four rebounds. So what are your expectations for the CP3 and Wimby duo with the Spurs this season?

Shit. Why would you look at that? Be in last place? No, I mean, honestly. I didn't say win. I just said Wimby actually having a. I think it'd be good for Wimby. Legit PG.

I mean, Chris Walker's still a hoop. He's still a good point guard. So, like, I think just playing with a good point guard for a year ain't bad like at least he got something I mean Lisa got somebody that's gonna pass on the ball though yes he don't we'll get him the rock yeah so I mean for him last minute I got them other players that don't be last-minute grenade oh I like, I like it for the team itself because how Chris Paul plays, everything is controlled.

So it'll stop all that bullshit that they were doing, just all them random plays. So I expect him to, like, be in that 11-10 round. You think they're playing... Every team he's ever played on. Like, the OPC, when he got there, he had them boys moving. When he was down in New Orleans, that sorry-ass team, it made them look like they was all right.

So, you know, he's, you know, with what he has, he does all right. So, I expect those guys to play with him. Exceed the expectations with him. Put him more efficient. That was a younger Chris Paul. Nobody's going to be in the fall. He's slower now. Shit. He's going to be like, oh, wait. He has to younger Chris Paul. He's slower now. He's going to be like, oh wait.

He ain't going to be throwing it like, we're just going to play half court basketball. Come set the pick and move. They fucking round my score 85 a game. And when we have like 40 of them. Chris Paul over there to be assistant coach. Nah, I think he's going to put some more control,

probably teach some of them young guys how to play. Bro, they got like three players over the average, like 20. Slow it down. He's going to teach some of them guys how to play. That's their problem. That's what Pop need at this point. Yeah, another coach besides him. I don't need to yell at y'all.

Chris, do you? He's going to get on their nerves. And looking at this first squad, you expect CP3 to start this season? Yeah. To go back to the starting line. I think it makes sense. Look, I don't think anybody's expecting much from the Spurs. No, we're not saying they're going to do crazy things.

For Wimby, his second year, at least you were playing with a point guard that was going to get you the ball. If I'm Wimby, I'm looking at it. I'm like, this is what y'all doing to help me? Hell yeah! What the fuck y'all doing to help me? Y'all sending me back! Y'all trying to help Whitby? He might fuck around after 30!

He going to get the ball. He getting the ball a lot. He going to get the ball a lot. All that sitting there doing this is... Chris Paul going to lead the league in assists. Y'all crazy thinking that. Chris Paul going to lead the league in assists. He'll be top two for sure.

Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? He gonna have a ball a lot of all that sitting there doing this is Paul leave the league in the season Yeah, crazy thing. He's gonna leave the league in the season. He'll be top two for sure Oh, you think I'm gonna say top five for sure? Three yeah, yeah easily top three came might leave him all those pass might leave it would be done be top Think about all those passes. We'd be like yo give it just throw it down there or throw it up the Chris Paul's doing that I'm telling you bro. Yes. I'm telling you no Rose. Yeah, I'm that big and I'm picking rolls and we're running watch watch for one

You're watching pop shit. Yeah, nah, you sound like some pop of it. She'll get him in the ball I like speaking that boy the ball some lazy shit That was a lazy move One thing Chris Young me and call me today. He figured this shit out long time ago. No how to get an assist That was a lazy move. One thing Chris Paul understands. Go get fucking Trey Young. He figured this shit out a long time ago. How to get an assist. Right?

No, no, Trey Young, yeah. Man, that's letting me know we're going forward. You're trying to go forward with this thing. Yeah, I mean, Trey Young would have been, yeah. CP, man, what are we doing? Can't you still get Trey Young? Who? Nah, there ain't Trey.

Nah, I don't need Trey right now. Can we get Trey Young as a Lakers? Not looking likely with Trey leaving Clutch, going to CAA, but that's for another conversation. But... Say it again, now? Said, just not looking likely with the change in agent. Hey, y'all think that West is getting good. No, I'm just talking about when...

The same fucking team. What, what, what? Yeah, West is in... I'm starting to think... good. No, I'm just talking about... The same fucking team. I'm starting to think... Hey, Jenny, you might have to open the black book. Open that black book and all the dirt you got on every other owner and you're going to have to start using some of that shit. You remember when you did this? Yeah, we might need your player. You're going to have to start pulling in some Mafia stuff.

Just like they was doing back in the 80s. CP3 move, one-year deal, obviously, so there's no long-term commitment. But how much will having a Hall of Fame vet in CP3 help the development of fourth overall pick, Stephon Castle out of UConn, who can play both guard positions? That's what they got, knowledge, man. That's what they teach him how to play the position for one year? I'll turn it over to him next year.

I'm hot now then. You a young fella? Yeah. Why? I thought I was starting. Oh, no, I thought I was starting. But then, you know, popping them, they might start the young fella. They might start him.

CP might just be that back end. Who's the shooting guard over there? Vassell, right? How tall is he? Six, seven, eight, nine, 12. Six, five, I think. Six, five. You six, five?

Yeah. Damn. He play small forward shooting guard. Oh, yeah, small forward shooting guard. I forgot they got Wimby back there. We can play faux Chris Paul pause with that goddamn thing right there And Chris Walker so nice my bad He definitely more blocks now that's a bad move which one I think it's a safe move

That's what's this bad to me. No, it's right now rebuilding Lazy move You rebuilding? You just called it a lazy move, though, Sean. You called it a lazy move. He saved his lazy. Safe is lazy? Yeah. Why is lazy safe? Because you're taking a risk. Because he's going to get the ball, though.

There's no risk, man. But listen, the guy is going to get the ball every night. That's my biggest thing is when we're going to get touches and how he's going to get touches, what position we're going to be in. Come run this pick and roll with me. What's funny is... Where's Roll?

Where's Roll? Hey, what's funny is he's going to be force-fed Run this pick and roll The ball where's roll? What's funny is he's gonna be he's gonna be force-fed so much And whoever comes in after him You had to deal with a guy who got all these touches exactly and exactly Come on, maybe somehow living up to see Pete. Well, yeah,? Yeah. You know, CP passes the motherfucker 30 times. That's why I say this is a bad move. And when CP gone, the motherfucker's...

Wait, hold on. It's got to move for the future. That's why you got the young boy there. Like, he can still knock it. I'm just talking about just... Imagine playing with Jason Kidd, and then you come in and play with somebody who don't got that vision.

No, man. He gonna get frustrated. CP is in that baby seat right now. He get frustrated, the motherfucker playing with Jason. But bringing in a vet with his experience on that squad, CP is in that baby right now. He is frustrated a motherfucker player, but Bringing it I'll bring it in a vet with his experience on that squad Which is young? Yeah, one year it's the safest thing out there cuz none. No, I mean we can't get Trey young So I got to get somebody got a coach on the floor now every night like it helps to but that's a free agent move

Right. That was a free. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, like, just thinking about that, like, that's what your first move of free agency was. Shit. But you got to know, like, the Spurs system, like, how they play. Like, who else they going to bring? Go get DeMar. Go back and get DeMar again. We just had him. Yeah, bring him back.

For what? No, it didn't work. You need a point guard. Yeah, I don't need a point guard. I mean, DeMar's still a sport. DeMar's already got wings that can... Spurs have a lot of bread left to still maneuver. Yeah.

And free agency. They can get eight. Listen, listen. They can get Ben Simmons. Get something. What's this, Ben? What's this? A motherfucker don't want to.

If he don't want to shoot, pick and roll with them two. Shit, they got the other dude. That's one. They got the dude that shoot one-hand free throw. They don't need both of those. That's one thing that I. They don't need both of them out there. That's one thing that Ph... That's one thing that

Philly just... Whoever was in basketball... The 1-5 pick and roll with Ben Simmons and Embiid, it was never seen. Like, yo. Like,

what was the NBA going to do if they did a pick and roll together? Go under it. How far? Switch. Oh, shit. Basket. Switch.

Okay, that's fine. You can go under four people. Go under. Okay. Free throw, you go under? Under both. Under both. You go under everybody.

You switch it and B got the littlest guy on him, it would have been a... Go under. Floaters. Just tell Ben, we're going to float it. No. and B got the littlest guy on him? It would have been a... Floaters? Just tell Ben, we're going to float it? No. Listen, if you're playing me, listen, Big, stay attached to NB. Stay attached. I'm going under both, man.

Stay attached to NB. Push him up. Listen, I'm going to be at the charge line. I'm talking about when he was trying to shoot the ball. You're talking about going under? Not the recent one. I'm talking about trying to shoot Wait no you way go ahead We're talking about the All-Star Band. You never did anything else. That band was just crazy.

Every time. He would have had to make listen, dog. Before we move on, Gil, you asked to update the poll. Is Donovan Mitchell a number one option on a title team? 70% said no. Okay. 30% said yes. Well, let's stick with these first. You just hate being wrong.

It is Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We all agree. We all agree. You called me a bitch to be like this. Hold on. Hold on, buddy. No, I said you, bitch. That's their relationship, ladies and gentlemen.

Pop, pop, pop, bitch. HR on line one. But let's stick with the Spurs. So according to Yahoo's Jake Fisher and ESPN's Brian Winhurst, the Jazz are in talks with both the Spurs and Warriors on a potential trade for Laurie Markkinen. But the Jazz could also just re-sign him. So Warriors need to land a big name to avoid missing the playoffs again,

but the Spurs have more assets at their disposal. So Markkinen, an all-star and the league's most improved player in 2023, averaged 23.8 rebounds this season on 48-40-90 splits, and is in the final year of his deal with the Jazz at just $18 million. Will Laurie Markkinen be a good fit for the Spurs squad? No.

Lakers. Yeah. Lakers. Yeah. Spurs? That would make that CP move a little bit more better. You want everybody to go to Lakers. We need somebody, shit.

I think the Warriors. It ain't happening. You think Markkinen to the Warriors makes more sense than Markk everybody to go to Lakers. We need somebody, shit. I think the Warriors. It ain't happening. You think marking into the Warriors makes more sense than marking into the Spurs? Yes. I've been trying to get the, listen, man. I've been trying to get a big to throw the ball in the post too so Steph can come off.

He ain't got to work as hard, man. He can get a bucket in half court sometime, dog. A man shouldn't have to keep working this hard to score. Why they ain't get? At this point of his career. Is that a... It's Trey Draymond and I feel better about that. Pfft.

Marketing to get him out of there. I want him out of there. He get out of there, that's a great move. Mm. But him still there in the way? Nah, man, move around. I'm gonna bear down, man. Bear down. Did you know Larry Marketing went to Arizona again? Okay, just making sure. We need him with Anthony Davis, man, at the on, bear down, man. Bear down. Did you know Laurie Markkinen went to Arizona again? Okay.

We need him with Anthony Davis, man, at the full five. Man. Okay. Reasonable. I'm saying. Reasonable. Two seven-footers for the future, and they're around the same age, too. That'd be great.

But you don't want to go to Golden State. It's over for them. It's over for them. It's over, so there ain't no point. This might as well go back to Utah. Man. I mean, it's a better market, but... You know what I mean?

You might as well just go back to Utah. At least him and Anthony it's a better market, but, you know what I mean? He might as well just go back to Utah. At least him and Anthony Davis at the 4-5, the 3-4, whatever. Looks like a better future. It's a circus. Nah. It's a fucking circus in L.A. By the time San Antonio,

better off going to San Antonio for sure. It's a circus out there. You know how much pressure in L.A.? You know how much pressure in LA? James, sir. You know how much pressure in LA? If LA don't win, everybody getting buried, bro, in the back. Everybody buried in the back. Klay coming off the bench for who?

Everybody buried if y'all don't win. Who they have Klay? Who started in front of Klay? Brzezinski. Like I said. Brzezinski. That ain't a circus? Yes.

That's why I said I told Kaminga to get the fuck out of there. Kaminga. Brzezinski started over Clay. Brandon Brzezinski. I told him, Clay's going to get out of there and Kaminga needs to get the fuck out of there. What is going on? Real sick. You came up to this man and said, hey man, Clay, we going to win this thing.

What the fuck? How can you say that to a man? With a straight face? That's why I would have left too, with a straight face. He dead. We going to start in position. We got Brandon Brzezinski, Clay. We build into the future, so you got to move around.

You like saying that all the time? You like Westbrook? Or Rick? I said it. Westbrook to Alcery. Hey, Alcery. That's the real thing. I lost my shit in the playoffs.

That's why they started Francisco Elson over me. Francisco. I'm doing it. Francisco. Francisco. Francisco. Francisco Elson over Nelson. Hey, listen. Certain niggas want to hear their name now. Certain niggas want to hear their name. Francisco. Francisco Nelson. Mr. Nelson. Hey, listen. Certain niggas want to hear their name now.

Right? Certain niggas want to hear their name. Okay, I didn't like the shit you did the first game. I was like, ah, you tripping. Okay, that was one of them mistakes. All right, now they're going, right? You're going back. Can't get right.

Can't get right. Then he called him Francisco. Hey, Francisco. So I went to do before game two. Hey, I'm going to start game. Well, I'm going to start Francisco. Now you fucking with me. Right?

Now you fucking with me. With the cameras. With the cameras. Now I threaten to beat you. With the cameras. Hey, now I threaten to beat you up at halftime. Now I'll beat you up. Hey, don't make me fuck you up now.

You started me and you played me seven minutes. Now I threaten to beat you up at halftime. You fucking with my minutes. You fucking with my minutes now. So to your point, absolutely. Yeah, you don't. The fuck is you starting Przyski over Clayton? No, that shit. beat you up. You fucking with my minutes. You fucking with my minutes now. So, to your point, absolutely. Yeah, you don't fucking start over Clay. No, that shit, that's

like asking Allen Iverson to come off the bench. It's just some shit you don't fucking do in the NBA. Some shit you don't do. And especially for that organization, Clay Thompson. Man. And you experiment. I'm with you. You experiment. He out there with Steve Kerr on.

Burning building. Go to San Antonio. Go out with a bang. buildings. Go to San Antonio. Go out with a bang. Marketing. Go to San Antonio. Francisco. Francisco. Go ahead and get him.

You really thought you had a chance? Was it the name, too? No, it was the name. Fuck his name. It was a game. Game. Game. Shit.

It was his game. And it's the playoffs. You started a nigga named Francisco over me. I'm going to feel it. Yeah, you started the last few games of the regular season. Cool. Playoffs. Yeah, that's what the conversation was. And that's why I was tripping for sure.

Like, I just didn't pass out for no reason. No, no, we talked about this. No, that's a very valid reason. So, no. But, yeah. No, that was dead wrong for that clay shit. Dead wrong for that clay shit. Y'all like marking in on the Lakers,

not feeling the same way about him coming to the Spurs? I don't like to move from Spurs. That's Spurs. I mean, he's 27, so it's not. Yeah, he needs to go somewhere where he can. Like, he needs to, like, right now, like, teams, like. Lakers, Warriors. Like, right now, you're talking about, like, he's at the age where he can change someone's franchise.

Dallas. You're talking about Dallas. You're talking about Milwaukee. Milwaukee. You two do it. Dallas, Milwaukee. Come on, Glenn. I like Milwaukee.

I trade him for him. I trade him for Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez and put him in? I trade him That's a good trade I would do that the issue is you just saying Simon was giving up for Mikhail bridges are the jazz gonna expect Some all that man. hey, man, listen. What they did over there. Well, they robbed fucking Minnesota already.

That's what they did over there. So we got them fucking assets. Don't look over there in their pocket. Look at, this is what we got going on. But they robbed Minnesota already. They got the picks. Huh? They robbed Minnesota for Rudy Gobert.

So they got the picks and shit. They don't need no more picks. Oh, they trying to get rid of B.I. too. Yeah, can we get B.I.? They trying to get rid of B.I. I'm back. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all didn't play trying to get rid of B.I. too. Yeah, can we get B.I.? They trying to get rid of B.I. I'm back. B.I.?

Yeah. Yeah. B.I. didn't play. I didn't like it. He can play in 30. I don't think he liked it here either. Yeah, I'm about to say. Where he played, I was like.

What would you send him? Would you send him to a big city? There's talks about the Kings potentially. I like that. Which one? B.I. to the Kings has been in discussion. They'll figure it out. B.I. to the Kings?

That is the next question. We need we need somebody like monk round here, man Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have no we have we had a young but we want to get rid of it I woke up y'all chose Austin reason. I would have gave what we paid all right No, y'all had y'all was deciding who to keep between the two. I remember that's literally kept that nigga. He went over there He was mad monk. I remember all my dog. Yeah, I would. That's what I got. They literally kept that nigga. He went over there, he was mad. Monk is a dog. I remember that shit. Monk is a dog. Yeah, I would have gave him 150 for three.

That's the shit cowboys do. They don't give them 380. Shit out there that can help. Get rid of them, they come back, come back. No, but this motherfucker out here, dog, and you like,

I'm going to go with this dude. Like, no! The fans say something else. Period. Period. Listen to your fans sometimes. Your fans watch the games. Yeah.

That's the thing. Like, none of the owners motherfucking in tune and GM not in tune to what the sometimes. Your fans watch the games. That's the thing, not enough owners motherfucking in tune and GM not in tune with the fans. Like, no. Like, ask the fans which one. Like, real fans. Real fans. It's a lot of shit to be moved around this summer.

Oh, it's some more shit for that. There's a lot of shit that's about to be moved around. A lot of more, dude, because the team's getting better. Yeah. And Boston's going gonna do some shit. Watch, Boston's gonna pull some shit out of you. Do they trade stuff? What? They gonna do something?

Do they blow it all the way up? No, they're not trading stuff. Nah. Nah, they'll leave Seth there to die by himself. Yeah, they trade Seth that whole arena gone. Yeah, they ain't gonna have nothing. No, for real. They just gonna leave the homie there. They gonna go back to Oakland.

They gonna blow that shit up. Nah, they gonna leave the homie right there by himself. So if they get marketed, it ain't no blow up, huh? No. It ain't no blow up, but what is it? What is it? You got rid of Klay? I mean, what is it?

What is it? If you gonna get marketed, what the fuck you should've signed Klay back for? That's what I'm saying. They gonna... That's what I'm saying. Right now, you lost Klay, so what are you really trying to do? So who they got right now? So who Golden State?

Wiggins. Steph Drake. Steph Drake. Wiggins. That's it. What you do with Kamega? Yeah, TJD, Kevon Looney. Kevon.

But they may be trying to move Kevon. They got rid of Looney. Listen, I'm all about guys. They guaranteed his deal, but they're talking about potentially moving him. Like, Kevon Looney can play a role, but I just think it's, like... Outdated. Yeah. Because that's only for that team that he really plays that role well.

But you got two guys that do that. I understand he's a four-time champion, but still, he's still limited. Right? You put him and Kevon Looney out there together at times, that shit is disgusting. Nasty. That's nasty work. Very much so. Come back to Milwaukee. Who they put out? Draymond. Draymond and Kevon. Nasty. Together on the floor, that's nasty work. Because you ain't got a guard. And they brought in De'Anthony Melton, I believe, on a one-year deal. He's a shooter. He can make shots. This is a pick-up for them, right?

Is it a point or a two? A combo. You're a combo, right? They just look like they're rebuilding. They got the young four. That's what it is. You lost Klay, so now you really have to figure out what you're doing. Man, that's nasty.

What's that boss say? Y'all ain't going to be talking about him. Moses Moody. Moses Moody. Moses Moody. Yeah. Moody, Moody. Y'all ain't going to be talking about my cousin like that.

Kevon Lewis is my cousin. Okay, I'm not saying that. Oh, he is? Yeah. Kevon's your cousin. Oh, that's a Milwaukee connection. No, he's had games. He's got all types of cousins.

Hey, Nick got cousins, dog. Oh, God. He got cousins. When I was in Milwaukee, he was like, why don't we talk about the family? I'm his cousin. That's all I'm saying. Nick, you don't support your cousins in Milwaukee? Hell nah.

They looking for you. I was in Milwaukee. Ballet driver came up. I'm Nick's cousin. Tell him why he don't be calling us. We his family out here in Milwaukee. That's exactly why. That's why we don't call you.

Because you do that. I'm a tally. That's exactly why I don't fucking call you. Because you telling a stranger, nigga. I told him. I was not a stranger. I was Mr. B. Mr. them. I said he'll be here in a minute. They could be here right there Give you $20 Exactly why I don't call your ass. I thought you'd get him out. That's exactly why I don't call your ass, nigga.

I'm like, the Youngs is deep. Day-Day, that's your cousin. It probably ain't even my last name. Last name probably ain't even Young. Nope. Some old shit. Some old shit.

So we talked about market potential options. Back to the Spurs for a second. Gil, you said it'd be prudent for them to get guys on one, two-year deals as they look to build ahead for the future. But when should the Spurs go all in on building a contender-level roster around Wimby? When they see Wimby's ready to take over is usually how it works. I mean, well, did he not show flashes of that this season?

Of taking over? Or is he just showing flashes of just his raw potential? When he starts dominating, right now he's playing freely. He's just playing basketball, right? Like, you know, they're not passing the ball down for him to really just go to work. So when he starts showing flashes that he can take over games, then it's like, all right, let's start putting some pieces around him because he's ready.

And I guess, but with the expectation of what he did last season, solid rookie season, generational by a lot of accounts, making all defensive first team in the discussion with defensive player of the year, how much of a leap do you expect to make this year? It seems like he's going to be on that level

of all-star, potential all-NBA. Was Luka ready for the NBA finals last year or the year before that or the year before that? You're still putting up numbers. But all-NBA first team in all those seasons. What I'm saying, was Luka prepared better this time around or three years ago? That age kicks in.

Same thing with Tatum. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. You know, they made it to the finals, but, you know, they were suited now for it. Wimby at 19 is not suited to carry a team to the championship. I don't know. LeBron went to the playoffs his second year. And got what? Swept.

And got swept. LeBron? And got swept. But he went. Melo won his rookie year. Y' swept. Bruh. And got swept. But he went. Melo won his rookie year. Y'all keep disrespecting the head of squad. I did that just because he didn't go this year.

I went my rookie year. I'm just saying, when he gets his shit together. His confidence is going to be listed, man. He's going to be all-star. His confidence is going to be out. His numbers you can't deny. His confidence is going to be out. His numbers you can't deny. His confidence is going to be out the roof next year. If you put him with some good players, man, he'll make a run for that.

Play off, and then he'll extend that shit, man. I guess the question is just looking. Not with CP3, though. I think they're going to sign some more guys this year. They're going to make some more moves. They're going to make them relevant again. I think they're going to sign some more guys this year. They got about 30, 40 million they can move around. Make them relevant again. I'm telling you, dog. One thing they're not used to, they're used to losing that.

But I guess the question becomes now, how relevant do they want to be now this season? It's been six straight years. Do you want to be a ninth, tenth seed? They ain't had nobody. Sacrifice positioning in the draft versus now you got a loaded draft next season. Still be boo-boo this season, get a couple. The problem is there's no Tatum and Brown. You don't have two people growing with each other,

and you're just moving them around. It's just him right now. So they haven't identified who the second best player is for him. Yeah. Right? So until they identify we're building a team around these two, right now you're just putting teams and letting the season go on until they get a real second option where these two can grow together.

Shit, Pop don't got that much time. Are you going to go upstairs? Is Tim Duncan going to come down? I don't know. Who the fuck knows? Tim Duncan come down and coach? I don't know. Hell no.

I'm just saying. I'm just. There's going to be somebody that's been down and coach? I don't know. Hell no. I'm just saying. I'm just... There's going to be somebody that's been... Been sitting there. Becky Hammond. Hell no. Watch. Who?

It's not happening. Like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris all over again. It's not happening. Like I'm all for it. You got Joe Biden out there coaching. You're going to bring Kamala in and take over for him. Come on, man. You can't read the prompt no more. Hey, man.

Come on now. You can't read it. Where it's rolled. You said 125. Coach, what you talking about? You got to leave Papa alone, bro. Kamala, go come in there, boy. Something like this.

Papa legend, bro. Man, that's one thing that ain't going to happen. I'm sorry. It just ain't feasible. The jigsaw killer. The jigsaw is up, man. The jig is up. Man, can you imagine these two right here?

I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them. I'm going to It just ain't feasible. The jigsaw killer. The jigsaw is up. Man, the jig is up. Man, can you imagine these two right here? On a team with a woman. You said what? Yeah.

You said what? What? That's not the deal with your cooks. If who? If the people were. If she was your cook. All right, McCants, just sit down there. Where I got to sit?

Where I got to sit? Why I got to sit right here? I had a female coach, though. Nancy Lieberman was my first. Nancy Lieberman is the real one. You're not rolling? That ain't the same. Yeah, I had a whole incident with her.

There's a whole reason why that would never work. That shit ain't never work. Shit, I was ignoring her, and she a whole reason why that would never work. That shit would never work. Shit, I was ignoring her, and she was just getting mad as fuck, boy. And she sent me voicemails and all kinds of shit. I still ain't saying nothing to this day. She's still mad at me because I won't say shit. If it was me out, I ain't spoke to her since.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why won't you talk to me? I ain't got nothing to say to you, man. Hey, hey, so if y'all ask why females can't cut, there you go. It's like a fucking breakup. It's going to always be one. Huh?

It's going to always be one. I know. It only takes one. Yeah. It's going to always be one. Fuck everything, girl. Man, I'm just over here trying to do the warm-up drills and shit. She's wondering why my pants are so tight and shit.

She's always looking at my ass. What you doing? Wearing my mom's shorts. They just, if fans really want to know if certain people got like chances, just mic everybody up for practice. Just one, just one, just one week. Just practice. Just practice. Just one week. Just practice. Just don't blurp out.

Just see how some of these coaches get talked to. Nah, that won't work. Just see so you can see what the head coaches, how we talking about them in practice and how we talking to them in practice. And then you let me know if... Respectfully, correct? If you know you got a mic on, you gonna be calm.

It ain't gonna be... Yeah, they got a mic up to just mic the whole thing up? Yeah, just mic the whole thing. As soon as you walk down, this bitch ass nigga, man. God. This nigga's doing the same bullshit. Same drill. Same fucking drill.

This shit ain't worked in three years, motherfucker. You still doing this shit? His ass getting fired, man. You know that nigga White fine in the moment. Same drill. Same fucking drill. This shit ain't worked in three years, motherfucker. You still doing this shit? This ass getting fired, man. You know that nigga White fine in the moment, right? Hey, do that nigga bust me?

That nigga gonna shake y'all too, then. Nigga be saying anything. Nigga, bro, he be all in my face. Could you have died from a loose ball? No, we got ADHD. Like, come on, fucking practice. As an aside, how many of you talking shit we're talking about what we're going to eat It's a work

Shit he say is that one up there you see no one of them So a couple questions for y'all, how do you deal with the coach with bad breath? Hmm? Oh, I'm just saying the clothes talking. Oh, you can't help it. They smoke cigarettes. I don't matter. Hey, are they in your are you trying to back up? How do you they just they just you just got hold your breath That's a real thing That's the worst though you trying to move move. You sit there trying to ask, hey so uh... So you can get... Hey, where are the shoes at?

The shoes are... You know it's bad when you untie your shoes. The untied re-tied. They're already sufficiently tied, let me untie and re-tie. I spit on you in the middle of talking too. Stop. Stop with the bad breaths. So in your experience, which coach that you played for ran the best practice? We're going to keep it positive now.

Okay, I thought you were going to say which coach had the most take in his breath. I'm not trying to put nobody on blast. I'm sure the chat would enjoy that, but. Best practice, I would say for me, was D'Antoni. Did y'all play a lot. No, it was like 45 minutes So the time the time factor Anchor anchor We'll receive car practices like with the world pretty much get what you need

Like 45 to our go over the place and then everybody do individuals and shit like that. Yeah. And we had talked to Matt Barnes a while ago, me and Gil, but it seemed like guys really locked in and stayed and did all the work. And a lot of teams, sometimes guys are just first to get out of there where they would stay. I've noticed that, too.

If you give me a two-hour practice and it's structured, I don't want to be there. Yeah. We do 45 minutes, and then I get to do my free shit for an hour and a half. I'm still staying the same two hours. Right? Because for the most part, practices ain't, it don't, it benefits, but it don't benefit. Because most of the stuff we're doing, we don't do in the game.

Maybe turn five, and I go and set the screen. When the game starts, we not running no turn fives, no turn fours, you know what I mean? So most of the stuff we do in practice is just wasting time. So unless we was playing. Running. Unless we was playing. So it's not like that now. I know back then when we, remember training camp?

Man. Like the three hour training camp. His training camp would have probably been worse than everybody's. Because he came in 2000. So they didn't have no limit yet. Nah. See, but.

Byron Scott was on that shit too. No, no, no, no. You didn't get Byron. No, you didn't get Byron Scott. All he did was bring up fucking the Lakers and shit. Every practice. But y'all had time? Yeah.

He ran like this. Easy run? Man, all that shit. But y'all had three hours. Kobe tried to run it, too. He ran it the first day. And the second day, he was in practice. And he came in the first day showing off.

Dog, this is the worst fucking drill of magic. Man. For the first day of training camp, it is the worst fucking drill of magic. Man. For the first day of training camp, it is the worst fucking drill that you can implement. Which one is that? It's called easy run. Easy run. He did that shit, bro.

And by the name of it, you should know. Man, it was so bad. Ain't shit easy about it. Easy run. Is that the run around the court? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Hands up, defensive slide, backwards slide,, forward, slide, back for 25 minutes.

Go. When did you get them? My rookie year. Oh, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Coming off, torn ligaments in my ankle, broken leg, training camp, day one. Go. Man.

Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. He did that. Yours was easier than this one. All he said was Pat Riley had us doing this. Everything Pat Riley did, we did. Metta said, how long was your first training camp? How long was your first practice? Your first training camp.

Oh, shit. 14, 15 days? No, no, how long? No, how many hours? 14. Oh, the first three, four hours. Yeah, see? Three hours.

Nigga. Each one. Yeah, each one. Metta told this nigga, Byron Scott. long, how many hours. Fourteen. Oh, the first three, four hours. Yeah, see? Three hours each one. Nigga, I'm telling you. Yeah, each one. I told this nigga, Byron Scott. Both practice, three hours. He said, we lost in training camp. Two and a half, the second one maybe. Nigga, we lost the first three games.

He said, Byron Scott, we lost in training camp. What you think? We lost in, absolutely. What you think? Second day of training camp. I'm telling you, it was crazy. Niggas already, y'all been training. Niggas was dead.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I'm telling you, it was crazy. I'm telling you, it was crazy. I'm telling you, it was crazy. I'm telling you, it was crazy. I'm telling you, it was crazy. I'm telling you, it was crazy. Niggas already, y'all been training. Niggas was... Yeah.

Mm-hmm. I'm telling you, Kobe didn't even practice. Halfs on fire, dog, for running backwards half the time. So the next year,

I fixed their ass. I came in great shape, of course, but that running backwards shit, I was sliding my feet. I wasn't picking my feet up when we were supposed to run backwards.

I'm not gonna run backwards no more. I'm sliding them bitches. Then we had people that couldn up when we were supposed to run backwards. I'm not finna run backwards no more. I'm sliding them bitches. Then we had people that couldn't make it. Right? So we had Dikembe one year. He can't fucking make it.

The time, he can't make this. So we just lapping him. Run by him. Then we did the other drill, nigga, where the coaches keep moving back and the ball can't hit the ground. I'm gonna lay up, nigga. You got the coach to go around the coach and gotta hit the ball before it hit the ground?'m gonna lay up nigga. You got the court go around the coach. You gotta kick the ball before hit the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Fuck you started every day by I heard telling people I don't like to practice fuck no like the

There was a clip of Byron Scott. Yeah, I was hard to get. Yeah, you were hard to work His buyer was way different than yours No, dog. Y'all don't know that he came in in 2000. It was his first job. So he's trying to make an impression. No, what I'm saying is 2000. He got Rod Thorne upstairs, which ain't fucking around.

That was his last. You got him after New Orleans. No, fuck New Orleans. New Orleans was crazy too. He came in. He came in. it was already cut at three hours. When he was in the league, it was three hours a practice. So back then, training camp, they was training for six hours a day. There was no limit.

There was no limit to what they were doing. So I can tell you- We had two days, three hours a piece. Three hours a piece. You got an hour and a half a piece. No, apiece. You got an hour and a half apiece. No, hell no. There was no hour and a half. There was.

You can't tell me what Bobby Scott did to me. I know what he mentally did to me. What he mentally did. The rule in 2003, they put it in, you can't practice this

for more than three hours. An hour and a half, an hour and a half of physical, and an hour and a half of non-contact. Because I remember the first year when he said, oh, and an hour and a half of non-contact. Because I remember the first year when he said, oh, this is what we're doing, non-contact? Then y'all going to run a whole hour and a half.

And motherfucker was out there running for that whole hour and a half. Just straight sprinting. An hour and a half. Like, yo, this is crazy. Because the coaches was mad. Go ask anybody that was on my team my rookie year. Yeah. Go ask all the vets that I had. Him, Lucas. my team my rookie year. Yeah. Go ask all the vets that I had.

Him, Lucas. Go ask my rookie year. Go ask fucking Sherman Douglas, fucking Johnny Newman, Lucius Harris. Go ask all them vets we have. Kim Duguid. Go ask them niggas how that shit was from day one. I bet everybody be like, fuck Byron. Yeah, man.

I'm telling you. Him make you say that. That shit, I'm over that. That's where y'all came in. Y'all was good. JR told me. JR told me he was on that shit. JR came in 2004, but that's what I said.

But see, when JR came in. That was, what's the name? His first head coach. He's the head coach now? No, he's the second head coach. But that was an hour and a half. So they used an hour and a half of just running. Yeah.

So it was like, those coaches was mad because there was a handicap on them. Took their time off. So we took time off. That's what Antoine Walker was saying. He was like, you can train me as hard as you want to, not as long as you want to.

Because they know, that first practice, you making us run and I ain't running. The second practice, we got to play now. Yeah. We got to play.

It got to be contact because Blair's like, I'm not doing contact for six hours and seven hours because he's a motherfucking psychopaths and she was here so They cut it they cut it fuck all that brutal practices were brutal. Are you talking about we was that we was here reports, man Nick

Straight hour to have just number running My first year my first year 2001 and we had to do them conditioning drills at the beginning was practicing for five hours Man, I was a part of the losing side of all this shit. I was with the Kings and the Timberwolves. Niggas did not have no structure. When in basketball, you could tell from the start. Like you said, training camp. What we doing in training camp

that's helping us get in shape and learn about our team and sets and all that shit? From the start, you already knew. It was like, what we doing? All year long, we doing the same shit. We ain't practicing sets. We ain't getting better throughout our sets

and inside our scheme. Nobody know the fucking plays. What, you were conditioning first and doing all that? All that dumb ass shit. Yeah, he's just ready, bro. And that's when them vets come in hamstringing, talking about my back tight. Yep, everybody's always hurt.

The back. No, ain't nobody hurt. They just ain't finna do the rest of this condition after two days. You didn't cram me for two days. 20 minutes of fucking five on five. 20 minutes of five on five is an hour and a half of fucking bullshit.

Because when they put that rule in, it seemed like they forgot what to do. Like, so we got to do, we got an hour and a half first practice and an hour and a half second practice. That's exactly how it's gonna be. Alright, we're gonna do a 5-0-0 for 20 minutes. 1-0-0. 2-0-0. 3-0-3.

3-0-1. 2-0-1. The fuck is this, dog? I swear that's how it was. No, literally, I'm like, that's what I said. When we first came in, we did the practice. The first couple years was cool. Yeah.

When they put that rule in, dog, we came to training camp. It was like, what the fuck is this, dog? You know, they said we can't do no contact, so we gonna do some one-on-oh. Big downhill, guard up. What the fuck is one-on-oh? One-on-oh. What the one is a one-on-oh?

We in there, ah! Then this motherfucker started getting creative. They started getting creative, yeah. Goddamn, coming in that business, they got a circuit set up for you. Oh, that was the, that's where we came in. Four circuits. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Mr. Jack, hey, that was the... That's where we came in. Four circuits. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Listen, Jack. Hey, man. Rotate. Rotate. After a minute. Ladger three-minute run, man. What? Get the fuck out of here.

Yeah, they start just making shit up about these 17s. You do the circuit, then the last year, you got like a three-minute run. Like, dude, I'm not going to make... How many minutes?

Listen, whatever, how many touches you looking for right now in this three minutes, I ain't going to make it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you right now Houston had the ten minute. I mean, uh Ten sprints. Oh, yeah

Ten in a minute. We had the same we did we do that my That's the one of Logan couldn't make I have Stan Van Gundy, but we had to do it But the guards had to do it a certain time Yeah, Danny Ford seconds cuz Danny Forza couldn't make his time as a foreman But what ended up happening is when they did his weight so he had to do that bitch like three or four times in a row But when they took this body weight and everything there's like shit didn't the niggas healthy he's in shape He just can't be he just can't do this You have to be I had to bring out the knee pad Huggins

You got to 60 number what I'm saying is it was to 6 to 6 to 2 65 the knee pad Huggins. No, but what I'm saying is it was two six two six two sixty five plan We're bob hugger than you had to be in shape and but for that drill it just he physically couldn't do that Yeah, that's it. But when they did his body fat and all a lot It was like cuz he was coming in like you I've been doing it every day I'm not getting better. But when they measured another shitty lost 15 pounds he so they just passed them As we was out there praying for them, and come on, man. We do not want to run again. Can we run with him? No, it was just him.

But he was by himself. Somebody got to go run with him. You know, so we trying to run with him, but it just, you can see he just... You get in certain shape, you got to go run with him. But you're talking about Antoine Jamison, he's running with him, so he's running as a four-man,

and that four-man drill, and they wouldn't make him the five for the drill itself. Because if he was a five-man, he would have passed on the first pass. Yeah, because it was point guards, guards, wings, and then... Nah, see, back then it was one, two, three, four, five. And he was like, let me just go to the five.

I'm making it as a five. They're like, nah, your position's a four. But all our fours, it's him. I'm surprised he didn't... Antoine Jamison. Troy Murphy. I'm surprised he didn't strangle nobody? Right? He didn't.

He was out there doing it. Yeah, professional. My last day of condition at Cincinnati, I was 22-22s. So I'm surprised he didn't, like, that shit, like... We had 18-33s. Damn. We should do them 33s.

Them shit's just nasty. What is that, 33 trips? 33s and six trips. That's one thing. Six trips, 33 seconds. That was You should do them 33s. Them shit's just nasty. What is that? 33 trips? 33 is a six-trip. That's one thing. Six trips, 33 seconds. That was the funniest one.

Eighteen of those? Eighteen straight, bro. That was... When you hear NBA players talk about part of the season, we all gonna say, man, training camp. Right? I don't miss that. The regular season, easiest part.

Training camp right there is like like yo, I am not Shoot around was a bitch to us the way you trying to figure out what date has started training camp Like when you start training for training camp Do I want to start in September, August? I used to go into training camp in shape and then be, like, kind of out of shape. Yeah. Yeah, you thought you was in shape until them coaches got a hold of you. But you're doing, it's just the stuff that we're doing during practice that makes you.

Because we're playing during the summer. We're not doing the drills. Yeah, we're standing around a lot. Like, with Stan Van Gundy, we had the knee pads, standing around an hour and a half just playing. Got to get taped in ankle braces and all that shit. We had the knee pads, standing around, hour and a half just playing. Got to get taped in ankle braces and all that shit. No content, but you still got ankle tape and you still got everything. All that's just mental.

I'm glad I didn't have to play for nobody like that, man. Yeah, you would have choked him out. No, I would have just had to leave, bro. No, you would have choked him out. Well, shoot around, niggas tell you to get taped. Shoot around. Tape and your knee pads. And we going hard at shoot around, too. Hey, Kenyon, where your tape at?

Listen, I'm going to tell you in the training room. In the ballroom. In the ballroom. Cut! Move the chair. Move the chair. That's when I knew. That's when I knew shit was going.

You know how you just make a little cut? You know how you play a little cut like so, you know How you playing little deepest on each other like you got a little tape out there and then somebody cut and they cut half-ass And they get the best man niggas passing he slammed his step. No, there's no ball You gotta fake the ball. You gotta fake the ball. So imagine just a dickhead. Uh-huh. Yeah. Nah, I pass it over here, coach.

I pass it over here. I didn't even swing it. Jump to the ball. Like, he make it. No, bro. You sitting there like, yo. And guess what I would've did? Hey, Nick, get in.

Bro, shoot around. Hey, look. Bro, shoot around in the ball room. Shoot around. Because one thing I know. He's subbing. He's subbing in the shooting ground. I'm gonna know the game plan. I'm in tune Bro, shoot around. Hey, hey, hey. Shoot around in the ballroom. Shoot around. Because one thing I know. He's subbing. Hey, one thing I know. I'm going to know the game plan.

I'm in tune to the game plan. I'm going to know everything the other team is going to do. He would have said that shit. I'd be like, Nick, get in, bro. He off you. He off you. Oh, no, he done. As soon as you sub out with nobody in the ballroom.

What is Kenyon doing? Why are you subbing? And I'm going to tell you exactly what I'm thinking and why I'm thinking it in that very moment. And them niggas are going to be sitting gonna be sitting like oh this motherfucking boy crazy Yeah, we're looking at the white light Why that motherfucker? Fuck you It was crazy

Imagine playing my, we playing Miami. We started shooting around A-11. We didn't get out that bitch till 2-30. Get the fuck out of here. 2-30. I believe it. Then had to be on the bus at 5. I believe it.

I believe it. Because it's Miami, so you know, it's beef with Miami. Yeah, they don't want you out. Hey, we over here we might as well just sit here. Especially during that time, too. Y'all was good. See, I had them in Detroit, so it was a little later. Oh, yeah. But I know when you had them. We got that motherfucker like, we already played today.

Yeah. No, for real. I wish I would. Ballroom. No, the ballroom. In the ballroom. No, the ballroom. Put your knee getting tape for shoot around. I wish I would. Ballroom. No, no. The ballroom. In the ballroom. No, the ballroom with the knee pads on. With the knee pads.

So everybody has to wear knee pads. So we all have to wear knee pads. That's walk through, K. That's the walk through. Hey, man, what's the fine? Yeah. Not doing this, bro. Listen, man, I'm just certain shit that, because if it don't, no, because he.

We looking like, oh, we don't know. He probably would have benched him. But my thing is. Yeah, he would have benched him. So listen, my thing is, if it don't, it don't make no sense. Like, I'm all about logical fucking thinking and moving forward and being productive.

This is not being, and I'm going to say, this is not fucking being productive, man. Me being taped and with knee pads on right now is not being productive for my game. With no ball. At 730 with no fucking basketball, man. And I'm going to say it, though. You better cut. You better cut. At 730 with no fucking basketball, man. No ball. Yeah, no ball. And I'm going to say it, though.

You better cut. You better cut. You better chuck him when he comes in. Come on, come on. You just running the drill. Come on. I used to tell Reggie to just go hard, bro. We banging niggas because it's so hard, man.

So we get the fuck out of here, dog. He be like, bro, don't touch the ball. We ain't don't touch the ball. Don't touch the ball. I ain't in the ballroom. Why don't you niggas chuck me? I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you.

I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. I'm going to punch you. He was like, bro, don't touch the ball. Don't touch the ball. Why don't you niggas chuck me? I'm going to punch you. I'm going to chuck him. Don't forget to chuck him.

You're the one that got to chuck us. We're sitting like, oh, man. That's the ballroom. We're sitting in the bathroom. You ain't never had to do the ballroom. We did walk-through the ballroom. Absolutely. We put the shit on the tape on the floor.

Yes, we did. We did. We got a ball. It's a walk through. Yeah. Y'all had no ball. Ain't nobody taping. Ain't nobody taping.

It might be some niggas in there with no shoes on. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Straight from the room. Bring your sneakers. Straight from the room.

Bring your sneakers. It's after we got the meeting, after the back to back,back, right? Dudes come down for breakfast. Right after that. We have some dudes that didn't bring no shoes. They wore their game shoes. They got a hard bottom. I just seen them come down and still have hard bottoms on and shorts because they didn't bring no extra shoes.

They wore the same shoes that they wore the game before. In the ballroom for walkthrough. Right? Yeah, normal. But not fucking cutting hard. We're not getting taped for two. And for three, I don't wear knee pads in the game. So what fucking makes you think I'm going to put this shit on right now?

What's so funny is you had to wear elbow pads and knee pads. In the words of Chauncey Billups, you can kiss me in my ass. Damn. I would have never thought that, though, Gil, because you used to hate when I used to move. I just got off the gun and shit. That's elaborate. I was like, niggas, I push so fast.

That's a lot. That's a lot. I got off the gun. You can kiss me in my ass, man. I'm not doing that. I'm, yeah. But I'm still, y'all have an imaginary. Were people stealing the imaginary ball?

Hell no. Listen. Even, y'all have a matter where people stealing the imaginary ball Think about it we're going we have to go hard in all the passes so we can't we can't steal it Tom so don't cuz if we steal the pass they don't get mad at the pass. We're stealing an imaginary pass. Huh? You're stealing a ball with a... Look, think about it being imaginary. If he makes a pass, right, and then I act like I got it, and I'm about to lay it, I'm fucking up the whole shit. I'm making it worse on all of us, because I'm actually pretending like I got it and laid it. He didn't even look at you.

He didn't even look at you. He's just like, ah, ooh, got him. Nigga, step up. Nigga, step up and hit you with a bureau and. Got him. Come on, man. Yeah. They're like, are you going to play some defense?

There ain't no ball, coach. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it's after the l- there's no food. Ain't no ball. Ain't no food. Ain't no food. Listen, Todd, there ain't no ball. You know how we come?

My first time, I'm coming down there with the flip flops and stuff. And it was like, niggas looking at me like, oh, he don't know. He don't know? Know what? Oh yeah, you might as well go get your shoes. Go get my shoes for us.

Yeah, like what the, cause I didn't wear knee pads and ankle like. Jiggle man, jiggle man. Jiggle man, jiggle man. Niggas sitting there, look just, motherfucker 1945. We playing soccer? They was like, yeah, because of the elbows.

We don't want nobody elbowing each other, kneeing each other. Huh? Damn. I wasn't planning on it. I wasn't planning on doing it. I wasn't planning on hitting nobody. Cut!

Cut. Oh, damn! Boo! Nigga's like, you all right? Yeah. I swear, I was talking to him. We're sitting there. That guy was bringing our shoes down.

Listen, man, I would've, Yeah, he bringing our shoes down. You would've chucked me out check me out and listen money. Don't do that no more dog. I would've told you well I would stop the whole list stop the whole walk. Hey, man. I mean don't do that. No, well Bro, well listen. Yeah think about what I came Jake will was on the team go look at his minutes out of here You know what this is a man no more Oh Jay will I'm playing no more. Yeah. I believe in it. No, J. Will wasn't playing that shit. Yeah. Was he been a problem?

Like, was J. Will been, like, disgruntled? Loud as hell. J. Will. No, it wasn't even. It was just, like, little things because J. Will. I think they was playing Duhan over J. Will. J. Will was not having that. He hadn't packed it in yet.

And in practice, J. Will was. Frying. Frying. packed it in yet. He didn't practice. Jay Will was... Frying. Frying. And I remember I'm watching it. Jay Will was like, you know what, you fat, stinky motherfucker. Oh, yeah, I'm with it.

He was saying something and he was just going, what you trying to reach? I got that in my bag through under the sink. What you got under the sink? He talking about his ring. And then, like,

he's walking, talking shit, and he says something to J. Will. J. Will behind him back threw a pass in his ass and his stomach. Boom. And I'm sitting there like, that's a hell of a pass.

Damn, that was a hell of a pass. That motherfucker nice right there. And then that was it. I never played again. I believe it. And every time I seen J. Will, we was just at the YMCA. Dr. Phillips playing.

I believe it. He'd come in there like, oh, yeah, my feet. J. Will would start presenting his feet. Something was wrong with his feet. So he was like, yeah, I can't even get in the jacuzzi without my shoes on. So he'd be in the jacuzzi without my shoes on.

So he'd be in the jacuzzi with his shoes on pretending he had this feet problem. And then we get Dr. Phillips. Like, oh, this is crazy around here, but... Yeah, that would have been out of me. He was penalizing for some shit. It would have been me, because I damn sure wouldn't have been following.

Weight room, weight room, all that. You had to do all that. I did all that. Everything that. You had to do all that. See, I did everything. I did all that. You go anything against the grain. Everything that you asked me to do, I was very, people might think I'm, no, I did everything that was asked of me to do my job and all that shit.

But that extra shit, man, we not doing that. I wasn't. Like, I heard, like, Nate McMillan was coaching me. He was getting off the bus, going to shoot around, sitting, no. You would have been out there jangling. Who? Jangling. No, you don't know. Nick, you ain't buying it sitting old. You'd have been out there jangling. Who?

No, you don't know. Nick, you ain't buying it, Nick. Nick, he's on the team. Nick, you ain't buying it. Nick. He'd have been cut. That's what I said. That nigga would have been in a JW.

In the JW Marriott. In the JW Marriott. Nick, you've been on the team. Now let's move on to Muscley fans. You honestly don't believe that. That's what I'm talking about earlier. No, no, no. You listen.

As a rookie, you got to listen. Who? As a rookie, you don't know what you're going to do. Oh, you know what? Go ask Byron Scott. Oh, shit. You listen to Byron. You wearing the boy's damn feet, man.

Go ask him what I came in his office and told him. Go ask him what I closed the door behind me and told him. Go ask him. He don't want to tell that. Close that door. Yeah, don't tell that story. Like, you want to tell everybody about me in our practice don't want to tell that. Close that door. Yeah, don't tell that story. You want to tell everybody about me now. Go tell the rest of it when I went to your office and sat down in front of you.

It ain't even like that. What the fuck you think going on, bro? It is not that party. That is a great tease, and we will ask that at a later date. We need to get you, Byron, George, Carl all on a pod together. Boxing gloves. One punch in the chest each. Last man standing. I see him all the time. We need to get you a body you Byron George Carl all on a pod together boxing gloves One punch in the chest each last man Don't be up here trying to act like I didn't know I came in so I ain't got it today dog

Fuck you want me to come in bullshit you? I'm tired. Oh ti re I'm thinking about that team like Even Dwight. The ones out there, J.K. Lane? Hell yeah. J.K.

Lane, dude. The only person that did whatever the fuck he wanted to do was that Turk-a-Luke. Turk-a-Luke. He just, come on, Turk. Hey, damn, I want to do what Turk doing, not giving a fuck. All right, man. Everybody else? turd doing not giving the fuck Everybody else Move on my hand right and I'll give a what Ryan airs Yeah, you got a little you fire. Um, but this thing a rookie going into the bank good deal

Scramble never scrabble. It. Always well composed. Elite level hosting. Trying to get your shit off. You know, getting where I fit. Trying to get in there, but you like it. Just trying to be a good company, man. Get this extension. Tell these niggas to shut up, man. Get this knob bigger than me.

More bread. More bread. We're about eight months away from you having more bread. So, no, I'm just kidding. But we got one question, video question from Underdog user BMAC32. My question is, who looks the craziest in this tag on these teams y'all drafted into? Brandon, that Jordan in the box is blasphemous. Okay, it's blasphemous.

And that Knicks with the Kobe. Kobe and the Knicks, it's ugly. I don't like it. It's ugly. So, we want to wish BMAC32 a happy belated birthday. He is our most dedicated Mostly fan. He's made about a million dollars in Mostly fans' questions now at this point. So happy belated birthday to BMAC.

Appreciate you watching the program and all your questions. But who looks the craziest on these all-time teams you drafted? He said Jordan in a Bucs uniform and Kobe in a Knicks jersey. That dude looks sick. That dude looks sick. That's sick. I even said it like, I know Chicago fans is mad right now. My whole squad is a size mellow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Knicks jersey is disgusting. KG, Shaq. Yeah. Who we got? Boston? Steph in a Boston uniform is nasty. Very nasty. T-Mac in a Boston uniform.

Yeah. Oh, we got the Lakers? We got Lakers. So that puts Tim Duncan in a Laker uniform. Well, Luka got the type of number. Bird, Luka, Curry. Got me three white boys. Because we got four Lakers.

Yeah, OK. You know what I mean? Yeah, my squad is. Well. Yeah, you know the means. Oh, yeah my squad Brani five. Oh you ain't counting Brani, huh? Yeah, you're drafting running. I didn't get the update him He's drafted now so we can put them all his body getting any minutes. No Julie's already no get no minute. I got a, Julius Ervin don't get no minute. Like, that motherfucker got zero. Don't you even think about subbing in. Julius Ervin?

Sit your ass over here. Why? We got six people playing 48 minutes. Nah, bro. Trust me. What we doing out there, man, what we doing out there, brother, that's why I said I had to do it once today. For the next two years, June.

Bullshit level, top card five. Stop the bullshit. Yeah, we are not six people. We playing six-man rotation. Who's our starting six here? We got LeBron at the one. LeBron at the one, KD at the two, Dirk at the three,

Duncan at the four, Kareem at the five. Trust me, them niggas be having trouble. And who's our... Because whoever got a little guard get posted up the whole time. Who's up? Six. Magic. Six is Magic and... No. You got to put Julius Irving in.

No, no, no, no. Trust me, trust me, trust me. Trust me. So you just put Magic in, that's it? Yeah, you got to give somebody a breather me, trust me. Trust me. So you just put magic in, that's it? Yeah, you gotta give somebody a breather. Just trust me. So who's the other team that you got? Fuck them other people we got on the team.

Dr. J? Yeah, he ain't playing. You ain't giving Dr. J no burn, Gil? No, he don't get no burn. That's our starting five. Look at that big ass team. Got a big game coming up soon. Gilbert, Rashad, game one.

We got Bird. We got game one today. We got Larry Bird? No, we ain't got Bird. We got Bird. No, no, no. No, we got J. West. Sweet.

Bird. No, mine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe. So who your starting? Who your starting five? Steph, James. I'm changing numbers. James Harden? Steph, James. Trece are you going to start? Who are you going to start by?

Steph, James. James Harden? Steph, James. Tricia McGrady. Bird, Wimby, Embiid. I'm going to go. Because he already see what happens when them little guards are in. Yeah, they go right to the post.

That's what I said. They go right to the post. As soon as Bron goes right to the post watch So what is up happen how they be subbing this what is up happening? Is it they make them double? So they're gonna double off somebody and then it just leaves a shooter. I'll just go that's how Ray has my line of them Yeah Ever because that's what happens when you how he came back how Ray Allen got all the shots is when AI came in You just posted a I it pulls AI ups. Now. You got to come double it right here at the Ray Allen got all the shots is when AI came in. It was just posted AI. It pulls AI up so now you gotta come double. They pass it right to Ray Allen.

So that's why I got Luka. Luka, I started Luka at the point. Yeah. Was AI at least scoring though? Bird. Yeah. Chuck, you at least scoring? AI was shooting.

AI was at the top of the key. I didn't get that. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. But like, you sitting there like, damn. And then he was like, ha. I was like, what the hell? Yeah, AI was getting this shit off. AI is tough in the game.

So you going to start with Luka? Meshav, you getting the win tonight? Yeah. Easy? Is it obvious? Yeah. Championship, Charles. Whenever the small guard comes in.

But still, if they do it off of defense, too, like, they're gonna blow my luka. Tell everybody to move around. Move around podcasts at 3 30 today, man. Oh, it's Tuesday now. He got luka and James on. I took a little longer editing. Okay, no. Quality takes time.

You know, I'm doing the whole thing by myself now. Quality takes time. Rashad, a man of many talents. Yeah, you know, took a little longer than expected, but we back. That is our show for today, Kenyon. We appreciate you pulling up with the Big 3 Championship trophy. I got a date tonight, too. You have a date? Got a little date.

Okay. Hey, hey, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. All right. Hey, where y'all going? Amen.

Like, Kenyon, where you at? It was a pineapple show. You know, we did the pineapple show this weekend. OK. Oh, you pineapple. OK. Melly helped me out. Shout out to Melly Monaco.

And guess what? It's a sister. Oh! Hey! Oh, shit! Y'all know I'm going to get stood up. This is bull shit. You know I'm going to get stood up. Yeah, I know she ain gonna get stood up. Bullshit! I know I'm gonna get stood up.

Yeah, I know shit. She ain't even text me back all goddamn 24 hours, and now I've been trying to wait on red and shit. I got an alternate, though. You have an alternate? Hell yeah. What's your alternate? White? Karen don't never fail. Karen?

She always on time. And Ling Ling, I got double up on Ling Ling. Got the double up just to make sure I'm ready for the night. If you want to watch game one of Rashad versus Gil, pull up to Gil's No Chill YouTube page, 4 p.m. Pacific, 7 p.m. Eastern, for their first game simulation. What time? 4 p.m. Pacific?

No, 7. 7 Pacific, 10 Eastern. I know you got to take your nap, Gil. You got to take your customary midday nap. Fugging up in the back, fugging up in the front. But we appreciate you, as always, for rocking with us,

everybody out there in the chat. It's been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Woo-woo! We will see y'all tomorrow.