Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Reacts To The HOSTILE Knicks & T-Wolves Trade

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

Gil's Arena Reacts To The HOSTILE New York Knicks & Minnesota Timberwolves Trade as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew return for the Season 3 premiere of Gil's Arena and kick things off by reacting to the latest trade that rocked the NBA landscape, sending Karl Anthony Towns to the New York Knicks in exchange for Julius Randle, Donte Divencenzo and other assets. They breakdown how KAT fits in with the new look Knicks and debate if his presence moves the needle for a Knicks squad looking to compete at the top of the NBA's Eastern Conference. They also react to Donte Divencenzo's hostile response to the trade that saw him clown his former coach mid game and get into it with Rick Brunson following the team's recent preseason battle. Finally, it wouldn't be a new season of Gil's Arena without some Los Angeles Lakers talk so Gil & The Crew give their thoughts on LeBron James sharing the court with Bronny for the very first time and give their realistic expectations for LeBron, Bronny & JJ Redick this season as the Lakeshow look to finally re-enter the conversation with the NBA's elite. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants, Brandon Jennings & Kenyon Martin Use code GIL10 for 10% off your SeatGeek order*. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:04 Best Moments of Season 2 0:07:10 Knicks Timberwolves Trade Reaction 0:16:42 Which Team Goes Deeper In The NBA Playoffs? 0:29:32 Examining The Knicks New Starting 5 0:37:30 Donte Divencenzo vs Rick Brunson 0:44:26 Expectations for Ant-Man & T-Wolves 0:51:15 Josh Hart FIRES BACK At Mr B 1:04:58 Gil's Arena Merch Coming Soon 1:12:02 LeBron & Bronny Share The Court 1:16:06 Ant-Man on The NBA's New Leadership Style 1:53:18 MostlyFans 2:23:12 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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a future resources company. Welcome back to the Season 3 premiere of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We're back already. Had about a good one and a half week break. Appreciate you, Gil. It's been three weeks. Something around about.

We good? We good? See everybody? Got the hats, got the merch. Can you get me no hat? No. Okay. In the nationalities. I'm going to wear them though.

You're going to see. But we appreciate all y'all who've been bothering us, wondering when we're coming back. We are here now. You see we got it decorated for Halloween. Shout out to our crew for putting this all together. Season three is going to be even more legendary than last season. Hopefully we don't get canceled.

We get to stay on the air, keep getting these checks from Underdog Fantasy. But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. What's up, Gil? What up, what up, what up? So we got Brandon Jennings here with us right now, but Mr.? What up, what up, what up? So we got Brandon Jennings here with us right now, but Mr. B should be here shortly. We looking for him.

About a couple ways. About a couple ways from Mr. B. That's funny. Kenya Martin is up in here. And we got Cemetery Larry. Rashad McCants back on the couch. Uh-oh. Nigga ugly.

Whose head is that? He's ugly. Man, a few words, season three, saving the... I was waiting for my theme song. Yeah, we did not hear... That was season two. You got to get a new one. We was waiting for my theme song. Yeah, we did not hear it. That was season two. You got to get a new one. We didn't hear the theme song. That was season two, buddy.

You upgraded. I got to change my name, I guess. See, they complained, Dan, that everybody's a gift. They didn't know everybody didn't have one, so. Got to take mine out. Yeah. Damn. They went to HR and raised me.

Doing too much. And we equal. Yeah. You know them went to HR and raised me. I ain't doing too much. And we equal. Yeah. You know damn Polygon. So the one and none. He mixing you a new one. Right. As we speak. He mixing him a new one, yeah.

This show's all about equality this season. We had a great meal last night at Nobu. Shout out to Underdog Fantasy for plugging us. Got the plot and plan for everything we got in store for y'all this season. It will be legendary. But as a reminder for all the fans out there, we have two viewing options for you, our traditional version and a mobile vertical version. Pick whichever one you want to watch.

Just make sure you support your favorite basketball show. We are no longer a football slash basketball show. Are we just basketball again, Gil? No, we're football players. Okay, we got football. I bought too many football jerseys. You got to use the jerseys. Man, you crazy.

But we got a lot of basketball to discuss. The season is right around the corner, but here's what's cracking in the arena today. The Knicks and Wolves capped off the offseason with a blockbuster trade, but how much has Cat moved the needle for the Knicks in the East, and how will Julius Randle and Dante DiVincenzo

fit in with Ant-Man and the Wolves in the West? LeBron and Bronny made history becoming the first father and son duo to play in an NBA game. What are realistic expectations for LeBron and Bronny made history becoming the first father and son duo to play in an NBA game. What are realistic expectations for LeBron and the Lakers this season? We think in championship, but y'all may disagree out there. And the 2024

Naismith Hall of Fame class was inducted this weekend. Our crew has some thoughts on which caliber of players actually deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Hopefully these gentlemen are amongst those players, but we shall discuss. Before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy.

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And we got a studio audience here, so they will be asking some special Mostly Fans questions as well. Rashad. Rashad's like, I can use one of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can go through music. Yeah, yeah. We'll come out of the work.

Hey, hold on. Man, I just ordered a triple pole and a whole nine. I was like, could be in the bathroom when I play that music. Leave my team music. With the red in the back, red lights. Yeah. And if you can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, Monday through Thursday at 1130 in Pacific

around about 2.30 p.m. Eastern every Monday through Thursday. We got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. So before we get season three in the full swing, we got to take a quick look back at a few moments that made season two so special. Welcome back to season

two of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoa! You did it! Come on, folks, forgot about me, huh? Let me crash the goddamn party then. It's a hardwood classic look. Don't let them trigger you, man. I bust a lot of ass in this outfit.

You're going to have dreams, workout stuff. Take it serious. But there was no reason to back him. You're not going to prove a point to me if I've already studied every damn play that he's done. I walked in, I was like, oh, no. This is an issue. Say it louder. Three times in a repeat.

How many championships? Like three, right? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh times in a repeat. How many championships? Like three, right? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Once upon a time in practice, I used to cook you. No, no, no. I know. Oh, man, we talking sports. Y'all just going to give me the ball anyway. So here. When you hurt your Achilles, is this when you started focusing on tough crowd?

Yeah. It is? Yeah. I was trying to figure out what was next. When you heard your Achilles, is this when you started focusing on Tough Crowd? Yeah. It is? Yeah. I was trying to figure out what was next. Man, I don't want to cry, but it's just like, you know, it's a, man. Shit, I did, nigga. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Rich Paul, welcome back to Gil's Arena. Thank you. We're going to get right into it. I thought we had to smoke before. Give him the smoke. We have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Smoke machine fix. I like all the reactions. Perfect. Give him the smoke. We have to smoke machine fix. I like all of the actions. Perfect. Mamma mia. I'm what an 80s player would look like. Oh. They played into this. Just average you. Rasheed Wallace.

Welcome to Gills Arena. What it do, gentlemen? Gentlemen, how is y'all? How is y'all? To be honest, I didn't hear shit you said. I was trying to signal so I can get some more. I was trying not to look at this. I was trying not to look at this. That shit right there is hilarious.

Mike Tyson got punched in the face before, right? At the end of the fight, Mike Tyson was like this, right? It's okay. It happens. That's all I got to say. Oh! Anthony needed that bread that covered some bills. Let's go!

Miracola! He's got that money in his pocket now. I just want to thank y'all. A reminder, if we get to $500,000, Gil is giving away $10,000. Can I? I can get on the chat. But we can see your name. You're not going to pick my name because you're here?

No, no, like this. All right, let's say Kong Daddy, you won $500,000. I just look, boom, right there. What's up, everybody? Now, you know we couldn't end the year without giving y'all a live episode of your favorite basketball show. And if gonna do it we gonna do it big Bring it on, man. Bring it in. Go ahead. Arena. We're going to... Smoke my phone.

That's a nice little outro. Well, you... As you can see, them people are already at work trying to bring us down. They're already messing with the feed. Gil, Black Suburban are in the neighborhood getting it going. But let's go around the couch real quick.

What was your favorite moment from season two? Shad, we'll start with you, Mr. Cemetery Larry. Favorites. So I will start with you, Mr. Cemetery Larry. Hmm. Um, favorites. Well, it had to be, you know, the Pat Bittiff episode. You know what I'm saying? Oh, my favorite as well. I think that, I think that tied out with that and Branding, you know, putting his legs in the fucking, in the bag. Put your fucking legs in the fucking bag.

In the body back body bag But this is I'm collecting heads so he ain't gotta worry about it. No body bags no more Sir, baby out there you weren't scheduled to be on the show that day Pat bad was supposed to pull up But you took some time out of your schedule came through a surprise shoveling hand We had your theme music good to go. Yeah, you know I was alerted, you know, he was gonna be on. I was just like, nah, I'm good. I'm good. Then I thought about it. I said, nah, I'm good. You pulled up. I'm really good at this shit. Okay. So let's do it. For sure. So, Kenyon, how about yourself? What was your favorite moment from season two?

I forgot this boy put on a trash bag. Like, I really forgot that you put on a trash bag first before you... That was a tough day for us. Yeah, that's when I cried. The trash bag. My punk ass sitting here crying. Because I put on a trash bag. 80s suck.

You were kind enough to pull? It was a lot. Ken, you were kind enough to pull up dressed as Michael Myers. Yeah. I see you're emotional that day. Yeah, because KJ was supposed to be Michael Myers for Halloween, so it was like just paying homage and all in one, you know what I'm saying?

Him getting traded that day was, no, it was pretty emotional, but no, so that Halloween episode was dope. I liked that in the New Year's joke we did. So emotional day, but then they cut to me and Gil dressed as Mario in the 80s. We don't know how to feel at that moment. Yeah, I can't be over here upset.

You over here with the mustache on. Him over here with the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's tough to be emotional around y'all, trust me. You already know. Brandon, how about yourself? Favorite moment from season two? I would say our first live show. Was that a success? Y'all, trust me. You already know. Brandon, how about yourself? Favorite moment from season two? I would say our first live show.

Was that a success? It was turnt up. Very. All right. And then the shootout. The shootout. Especially for the winner. Man, that was season two. Man.

Yeah, you know, just hearing his story and what he came out here to do and win the shootout for his child, I thought that was dope. I was more surprised that none of y'all were able to get out of the first round. The goal of the shootout. Shots fired. I know the goal of the shootout. Y'all were trying to help uplift. No, no. Beat him. Beat him.

That's it. We have more than them. That's it. Okay. Gil, how about you? Gil, what was your favorite moment from season two? Twelve. Twelve. When the USA team won gold. How about you? Gil, what was your favorite moment from season two? 12. 12? 12.

When the USA team won gold. God bless America, Gil. Thwarted the Euros. Into takeover. Shut all that dumb shit up, man. Shut up. About three points. Shut up.

About three. About three. No, about 11. Who had the gold? But who was counting? Same difference. Yeah up. Shut up. About three. No, it was by 11. Who had the gold? But who was counting? Same difference. Yeah, yeah.

Three. Game winner. Three lamb gold. They needed a lucky shot at the end. Needed a lucky shot at the end. Hey. By Steph? Hey.

You talking about this stuff? By Steph? What are you talking about? Enjoy. Wait, hold on. What are you talking about? About lucky? Euro.

We was up six the whole time. What are you talking about? No, he basically said if Steph. We was up six, and then No, he's not no he basically is step. We was up sick. Did he hit a three? We hit a three they're making up now what narrative is this Going in across we would have still been up sick if he did through it across the court to that other guy We was Actually through the ball to the other guy Yeah, it was to him so not the guy he used to play with though, the other guy. What other guy? There was two of them over there. Yeah, it was two of them. Not the guy he used to play with, though.

Okay, not KD. No, he trusts him. He trusts him. He was upset. He hit a three, make it up nine. They hit a three, make it up six. We hit a nine. They missed.

And boom, game. Them three threes is never in doubt. It was never a close thing. I'm sorry. I know it made it seem like it. You know what I mean? Nice try, though. But that wasn't our argument. I mean, we knew they was gonna win.

We won gold. We knew it was gonna get it close. No, what I'm saying is, the Americans won gold. What did the Euros win? The Euros won silver. They won silver and bronze. Those are niggas, too. They were black. See? Oh, honey. Go ahead and tell them.

So for all y'all out there, we had a meeting at Nobu last night. Got one. Kenya rounded the troops together. She said, we don't want to hear you say the N-word no more. And when Kenya say do so, we do it. So we're going to find ourselves. We're trying to be better in this season. She obviously wasn't listening to what Kenya was saying.

I was listening. Fuck you, bitch. You owe $100, too. I didn't listening to what Kenya was saying. I was listening. I was listening. Fuck you, man. You owe $100, too. I didn't say it. But you wanted to. I did. No, you said a cuss word. We're doing all cuss words, right?

No. No. We can cuss. We can cuss after five minutes, girl. You know what you're doing. I owe $100. At the end of the week, the money go back to the chat. No.

We're supposed to go to one of us. No, I go to the chat. We have to give it out in the chat. Nah, nah. I go to the producer. No, we're supposed to go to one of us. Nah, go to the chat. We have to give it out in the chat. Nah, nah, go to the producer. Nah. We still are undecided if Luka hits a long jumper

if Shia's able to set one. We might need like three for these. I want 100. Oh, yeah, it's 100. He's just going to cost you 100. You know, we got to put it in

for each one. So I want 100. Cool. For each one, you got to... Yeah. Well, obviously... That's for your job right there, too, right?

Yeah, I think we need to put a bucket in on the floor. We'll put a bucket. Right next to that head. Y'all better go to the bank. You and you. I ain't got nothing to do with it.

I know how to turn it on, turn it off. We will find out this season, but obviously, pleasure to have everybody back on the couch. Lexi, Cheryl, Nick Young, rest of our crew will be here throughout the season, but now we got to talk some basketball, ladies and gentlemen. Basketball season is here. So now we got to talk some basketball, ladies and gentlemen. Basketball season is here.

So while we were on a brief break, the Knicks and Wolves made Brandon look like Negro dominance. Brandon, you said you wanted to see the cat Julius Randle trade. Yeah. They agreed. So they had a blockbuster trade, sent a four-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection, Carl Anthony Towns to the Big Apple, with the Wolves getting a three-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection. Julius Randle, former Nova Nick, Dante DiVincenzo, Keita Bates-Diop,

and a 2025 protected first-round pick via the Pistons. So the Hornets completed the three-team trade, getting Charlie Brown, Daquan Jeffries, Dwayne Washington Jr. Two second-round picks from the Knicks. One second-rounder from the Wolves, plus $7 million cash. So Knicks also acquired the draft rights to big man james nagy in the deal so randall was the nicks first all nba player since mellow suffered a season-ending shoulder injury watched jalen brunson emerge as a top five player in the league leading nicks their first 50 win season since 2013 finishing second in the east reaching the second round before getting knocked out by the Pacers in seven games.

But, Shad, you are our resident Knicks fan now. You made that decision during our summer league show. You abandoned your allegiance to the Celtics, jumped over to the Knicks. You free agency. How did I abandon? Are you still in? What was the goal? You led them to glory.

In championship one, right? Mission accomplished. Now I get to do it with another team. I'm doing what LeBron did. They're not going to do it with LeBron. What's wrong with what I'm trying to follow the blueprint? I got one. He's hated for that. I got one.

Now I'm going to the... We're going to get another one. I don't know about that one. We're going to get another one. So let's talk about this trade from the Knicks side. How much does the cat trade move the needle for the Knicks in the East? It makes us a lot more flexible. It makes us a lot more flexible.

In transition, the way we already like to play fast, right? I think Julius would have slowed down that tempo that they was creating. I think losing DiVincenzo, losing our three-point sniper affects that transition opportunity, but at the same time, when you look at Cat, he spaces the floor differently than Julius does because he's more agile, he's faster, he can do a lot more things with the ball, so it makes him a lot more flexible.

Say, you think he's faster? Huh? You think he's faster than Julio? Yeah. Cat, yeah, Cat's a cat. He's a cat. Right? It's just my downside with Cat is being a cat.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you can be a tiger, you can be a lion, you can be a panther, you can be all those things. Then you can be little Siamese, little Siamese. Don't he got, like, 27? His shoe size is 27, right? Shoe size 27? Like, 27, 25, anything but 19, right?

Got boots, right? His size is 20. 27 is... He look good, man. Bashaw, previously on this show... That don't sound fast at all. I don't think he's faster, but he's definitely... Previously on this show, on this faster. He ain't no boy wearing 20s fast. He fast, man.

Ain't no person wearing size 20 fast. Nah, he not faster than him. Y'all don't watch the game, man. We watched. We watched. He was very fast. He's faster than all the

seven-footers out there. He's faster than all the seven footers out there. He's faster than Andre Drummond? He's faster than all of the seven footers out there. He's not faster than Andre Drummond. Hmm. Or Wimby. Or, yeah. Faster? Right? No. So, Shaub, before the trade went down, on this very couch,

you said you like dogs, not cats. Mm-hmm. But have you changed your stance now? No, I haven't changed my stance. Of course not. Can cat become a dog with the Knicks? No, cat's gonna be a cat. not cats but have you changed your stance now no I haven't changed my stance of course not can cat become a dog with the Knicks

no cat's gonna be a cat we just gonna have to work you know with a cat do you know what I'm saying that's just the only thing you know we got the dogs in the backyard

we got the cat in the front yard you know what I'm saying we just we just played it we gotta play the field the way we got it we ain't complaining about it

we got what we got do you like the trade do you think do you think I wanted something we ought to win? I wanted to see Drew just play with them to see if they can do something before they move the trade. Yeah, that was your argument. Yeah, but

I lost that argument. I take my L from that. As soon as it happened, I was like, now I took the L because I was talking about the cat and the dog and all that. I was like, I could always change teams right now. No, you can't. No, you couldn't. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Because ain't no game has happened. Ain't no game has happened. I was just like, dude, do he really affect it that much? Can we take it all away with cat? I don't know. I think both teams won, though, with the trade. I think Minnesota, they got a shooter.

Like, they got. Yeah. Yeah. Minnesota definitely got a shooter. I mean, they got a shooter. Like, they got... Yeah. Minnesota definitely got a shooter. I mean, they got a shooter. I like Randall over there, too. I think Minnesota got the best of the trade. I think Minnesota came out on top.

For sure. I do, too. Because now you get a solid number two in Julius Randall when he's healthy. Like, you get someone who's a walking double-double, 20-10 guy. And then there was... Yeah, and you got Dante DiMattenzo is that. You know what I'm saying? He's become who he is in his league, defender. He's going to make big shots.

He's going to take some big shots and make big shots. There's just something about Carl Anthony Towns' game, man, that just don't do it for me. Like, I don't... It's slow. You do all that, and he averaged 22. You take a lot of shots, and I only averaged 22 points. It's like...

That's still a lot. Coming off injury and back-to-back years. Now when you... Wait, wait, wait. He what? Wait, he take how many? It's a lot of jump shots. No, he scores a 22 a game.

He scores 22 a night, but it doesn't... What does it do for... Because of how it looks right it's a lot of jump shots it's a lot of threes yeah he you know what

the way he plays the game is the way they think you should play it now he's either dunking or he's shooting a three like there's there's no there's no in between

with him so Kaepernick 62 games last year averaged 15 shots a game but five threes per game. Yeah. 30 shots coming

from beyond the arc. He's a black dirt. Yeah, I know. Ooh, what? No, no. Not as far as No, no. Yo, you bugging, boy.

Can y'all listen? Can y'all just fucking stop jumping to fucking conclusions and listen until we talk about basketball, bro? Black dirt. I'm not talking about

skill, man. What you talking about? I'm talking about style. No. Yes, your style is not, man. What you talking about? I'm talking about style. No. Yes, your style is not like Dirk's style. Dirk on that block. Man, but Dirk not driving the ball. But Dirk get on the block and posting up.

Trying to shoot jump shots. But he posting up. But he's doing the same thing. No, no. Cat posted in the last game. He not posting up. What you talking about? He just turning the game.

Just now. Dirk, man. What you talking about? It's one preseason game. Man, listen, man. I guarded Dirk. Trust me. What that mean? I know where I had to guard him at, boy. I'm one preseason game. Man, listen, man. I guarded Dirk, trust me. What that mean?

I know where I had to guard him at, boy. I'm watching the fucking game. We're watching, Cat. You ain't guarding Cat. But I know. So what you talking about? I guarded Dirk, and I know where he caught the ball at. What that have to do with style of play?

I'm talking about jump shots. It's not. It's not nowhere near it. I'm talking about jump shots. Nowhere near it. I ain't talking about. Let me not say Dirk. Let me not say Dirk.

That's a bad. Marcus Aldridge. No, not even him. No. So I can't say nobody. No, not even him. I'm not me not say dirty. Let me not say dirty. That's a bad... No, not even him. No. So I can't say nobody. No, not even him. I'm not going to say nobody. You know why? Because I know this shit. Ain't anybody I say going to say no.

Because he said no before I even figured his name. Because they ran plays for him to post up. Both guys you named... Carl Anthony Townsend, number one pick. He's a fucking pick and pop player who can shoot the ball in any position on the court. He's turning catch, turning post, two dribbles back down, turn over. Who does that? Who does that?

Porzingis. The Marcus Aldridge is Porzingis. It's the same nigga. No. Same nigga. That's three. Yeah, thank you. Keep going.

Yeah, that's three, Yonah, in the box. You want to keep going? Brother. I'm good. Dig, dig, dig. Keep going. Yeah, that's 300 in the box. You want to keep going, brother? I'm good. Yeah, I'll go ahead. He owe 300. So let's shift it over to this side. He owe 300? Yeah. That's three. Three, right? Back to back to back. Ha, ha, ha!

He just said he can control it. Yeah. I can control it. I just won't say nothing. That's what y'all want. Y'all going to win the conversation with me. No, we're having a conversation. Not to have me say shit. That's the only way y'all going to get done.

No, we're having a conversation. You got to say, you got to pull it out like, you got to do all that, I'm cool. I did not say that, man. I gave you a guy. You said who? I'm cool, man. Or Zingas plays like Carl Anthony Towns. Everybody who knows the game knows what it's all that, man. I gave you a guy. You said who? I'm cool, man. Porzingis plays like Carl Anthony Towns.

Everybody who knows the game knows what it's all about, man. They shoot jump shot first. That's crazy. No matter who guarding them, it's a jump shot. Like, that's all. How much do you think Cat will move the needle for the Knicks in the Easter season? Obviously, Hartenstein went over to the Thunder. We said they had a big man issue they need to address.

Mitchell Robinson. I mean, you lose two big mans to grab one. That's a step back. Then you got three centers in the three centers coming off the bench. Yeah. I think where it hurts is you don't have an enforcer anymore that protects Brunson. Right you know when you start getting to some of those teams I like to play bully basketball just bring him in here we're gonna hit him a little bit you don't have that's going to have his back, right? That ain't Kat's job. He's not going to be sitting there trying to level people that hit Brunson a few times. So I think that's going to hurt them a little bit moving forward. And Kat don't get to the free

throw line. So because Kat don't get fouls, he doesn't create foul opportunities, now that means your best player at 5'10", 5'11", 6'1", I just give him the benefit of the doubt, 6'1". I appreciate that. He's going to have to create all of the fouls. So that means you're allowed to hit this man in the backcourt and they take the ball out. Like when you're a scoring guard,

you need someone that can get some of those fouls so when you got somebody picking you up full court that's giving you little cheap shots, there's no taking that about. I get to walk down and shoot free throws now. Now you have to play me different. Yeah, like a lost heart. Yeah.

We will, yeah. Well, yeah. You know, we will get into that shortly. So that's what I'm saying. There's nobody that creates fouls. So now it's just Brunson the whole time. Yeah, Cat only averaged 4.7 free throw attempts per game the past two seasons, so I understand what you're saying.

That's what I said. So it'll help Ant-Man because now, you know, Julie's playing bully ball. There's going to be some three, four little tiki-tac fouls. Now Ant-Man's coming one-on-one. Now he don't have to waste that energy to get to that free throw line. So I'm sure his free throw is going to go up. And you run in place for Julius Randle to put him in one-on-one situations,

create one-on-one situations for him. To Gil's point, he's going to get fouled. And, yeah, so it just helped. Yeah, I just didn't understand it. Like, yeah, I'm – like I said, it was a good trade for Minnesota. Like, I really like it for Minnesota. I don't know what... Like, I really don't know what it does for the Knicks.

Yo, so where do you see the Knicks now, though? You see the Knicks still being top three? No. Um... No. I don't think so. I mean, they did the trade, but I don't... I don't think so.

I don't think they go top three now. Would you have just gotten rid of Hart and kept Dante? Yep. But they didn't want Hart, they wanted Dante. I'm listening to the game yesterday and they was, I guess they wanted him when he was a free agent and the Knicks had more money to give him. So he signed back with, but I guess there's, but that was the rumor. Yeah, he signed a four year deal with the Knicks. Yeah, he signed a four yearyear, but I guess Minnesota didn't have the money to give him, so... You think they style him more like Boston

style, chugging a bunch of threes? Yeah. Yes. You got one guy driving, you got one guy putting pressure on the rim with Jalen Brunson, because he's... And you got a slash in Mikael Bridges, but he's going to stand out there and just spot shoot cuz

Dylan Brunson go have the ball in his hand a lot now Then you bring the big campaign in it could survive not top three though So let last day they got Boston you got to get worse defensively though, but in regular I mean, but regular walkie I'm so you get worse defensively who who is cat like what, I mean, but regular season. You got Milwaukee. I'm saying, you get worse defensively. Who is, like. But I'm saying, you know, regular season, like, usually fast teams who can get up and score a lot, they going to jump out ahead. True, true. Right? Philly, you know, they could.

They could. Top three. Milwaukee's still in the fray. You still got Boston. I think Boston going. They going. They might have a better record than they did last year. Some dog walking going on.

There's going to be some dog walking going on in Boston this year. They might not lose at home. It's going to be one of them years. So, Knicks made it to the second round, lost to the Pacers in seven. Timberwolves made it to the Western Conference Finals. Who do you see making a deeper playoff run as currently assembled between those two teams? Timberwolves. I think T-Wolves.

So, you think T-Wolves get over the hump? Look, there's a chance that Knicks could lose in the first round. Depends on the matchup. Okay. It could be a 4-5 matchup, right? It could be a 4-5 matchup, right? It could be a 4-5 matchup. It could be a bad matchup. I'm just saying.

And they could be the fifth seed and not have home court. I think Minnesota is top three teams in the West, easily. Okay. The way they defend, listen, man. Hey, they was getting out of it. Them boys playing defense yesterday, man. I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry.

And putting in work. No, Chris name got in foul trouble early. McDaniels got in foul trouble, so he had to guard Jalen Brunson. I mean, and Julius is there now with his toughness. He's going to buy in. They're going to be good. Really good defensively. And you got Nas Reed in the starting lineup.

He get to take more shots because you don't want – I'm saying Rudy not – Yeah, it's going to be all right. I like this. They don't have a lot of firepower. I like this. Trying to come back. So we asked the chat who won the trade.

44% said Knicks. 31% said the Timberwolves. 25% said it was an easy trade. Who y'all didn't want to trade? So we got a special Mostly Fans question, Gil. Special Mostly Fans question. So normally Mostly Fans ask the question, but we're going to ask the question to mostly fans here in Gil's spot. We didn't vet everybody, Gil.

We didn't do background checks on the crowd. No need to. No need to. I just want to say. Neither do some of these sports people that's hiring some of these people to talk sports. Don't vet them either. So on three, I want everybody in the crowd to yell who you think won the Cat Julius Randall trade. One, two, three. Knicks. Okay. Kind of pretty split. Why did the Knicks win? I want everybody in the crowd to yell who you think won the cat you miss Randall trade one two three

Okay, okay pretty split Oh I get it The black people said dicks white folks over there It is kind of segregated. It is segregated in New England right now. I just thought about it. Who, the Knicks? Okay, just kept rolling with those squads? They were both close, both teams were right there. Yeah, yeah.

Prime example of people doing too much. You got a microphone? Right? Sitting back overthinking and overdoing your job. Right? To his point, I think this is a prime example. Sitting around overdoing your job. Overdoing your job.

Overdoing it. It was fine. You don't know what you're going to look like to your point with Julius Randle. You can always move. You can always do whatever you was going to do with Julius Randle, right? Mm-hmm. He's got one more year on his deal, right? So he's going to the last year of his deal.

Obviously, there was talk about extension, but just not knowing what the future holds. Obviously, Nis got a lot of bread tied up. Yeah, so you can always trade that line, or before, let the season go, see if it ain't meshing. Then you make that move. But I just think you're overdoing it at this point. Like, you had something good.

And for everybody who said, whoa. I don't think he wanted to be there, though. So, I mean think you're overdoing it at this point. Like, you had something good. And for everybody who said, whoa. I don't think he wanted to be there, though. So, I mean, you know, if his... Nah, you can't say that, because he did get offended when his jersey wasn't in that... That's what I'm saying. So, I don't think he wanted to really be there. No, what I'm saying, if you don't want to be there, you don't give two fucks. Okay, so that's...

I know, that's what I'm saying. So, him leaving is... I don't think it had nothing to do with Julius. I think it just had anything to do with Cat. Minnesota wanted to get off Cat. Off that bread. And Cat, remember, if y'all think back. Because you can't get off the other guy.

Middle of the season last year, they had a game where Cat scored a lot of points. And then he started chucking up shots, trying to chase the record. No, I think they won that game. No, they won. They lost. Because the coach went into the press conference and got mad at Cat and was just like, this is unacceptable. 62 points in the loss.

He said it was immature. He was mad, right? He said it was immature basketball. They never got back from that energy, right? That energy was like Cat just not serious. And this is after he had, you know, he had a loss in the family. He got hurt or whatever. Now he's back. He's healthy. But it's just know, he had a loss in the family. He had got hurt or whatever. Now he's back, he's healthy, but it's just like, it's not the same.

He's not a leader. So they wanted to move on from Cat, gave him the opportunity to make a trade for the perceivably fucked up Julius Randall situation in New York. So if you can perceive that that's an opportunity for us to call over there and see what y'all got, what y'all want to get off over there. We'll get y'all Cat. What y'all got which I want to get off over there We'll get y'all cat which I'm willing to give us now think about it They not thinking about getting off Jew and they not thinking about getting off D even Chinzo the conversation

They wouldn't even gonna be had cuz we just ran it back. We run it back with a healthy team See y'all won't give us cat shit. What y'all think? We'll tell you Julius Is this vegan? We got... It should be. Okay. We got the... We got the Mr. Bee Juice in the arena. Hopefully, his gentleman's cut. Shout out to Steph.

Man, I got to go talk to some... I got a business event. You got things to do today. Oh, what? I sent him, sir. But Cat said he didn't know that the trade was going to happen. Eyes front. Eyes front. Eyes front. He's like, I ain't looking at nothing. I sent it, sir. But Kat said he didn't know that the trade was going to happen. Eyes front.

Eyes front. He's like, I ain't looking at nothing. We cheers in season three. I ain't doing nothing. Cheers to Underdorf. We're still cutting the check. Cheers. Season three, season three.

Cut this shit out, man. Whoa, whoa. Come on, y'all. They might need something in here. They look, yeah, they look young, but I think y'all older. Ricardin? No, they're too young. You don't want to catch a case.

I'm saying the token black guy over there can't drink. He looked up like, who? Yeah, yeah. Hi, token black guy. My son. Shut up. But we talked, we asked the crowd. We had mixed emotions.

Some said Nick Sussner, some said they should have just kept it going. But you knew you were going to likely lose Julius Randle. You didn't get a move done by the trade deadline. There were some potential options to give him extensions that would have still facilitated the trade. But it seemed like time to get it going. Brandon, obviously you sat here on this couch. Said you liked the move before it happened. Yeah, but

I don't know now. There's some things going on in the Knicks. A little chatty. We will get into it shortly, but I don't know now. Some will say disrespectful, but... Is it the Vincenzo part that... Yeah. You know what I mean? Is it that part that just like... It's that part I don't like that they gave up the...

Yeah, I don't like the Knicks gave up Dante. I just. Yeah, because I don't. But I knew that I. Cat don't. If you would have got somebody else for Divenso, I would have been like, all right. Cat just don't do it for me, man. I don't know what it is about his game, whatever.

When it's time, it just don't. You're coming off two players. And you're coming off it just don't. You're coming off two players. And you're coming off two players this season? Yeah. Were the same kind of minutes available for DiVincenzo this season when you bring in Bridges? I think so. It was going to be.

Was he going to be the odd man out of that? No, it was going to be him or Josh. Those two friends are going to fight over minutes. He makes shots. I know. One play defense, one sacrifice. So it's going to be over minutes. He makes shots. I know. One play defense, one sacrifice. So it's going to be whatever Tibbs valued the most. I mean, he just scored zero yesterday in 25 minutes.

So, you know, he's going to sacrifice for the rest of the team. So at the end of the day, they were going to bump against each other on that contract. And because Devin Chinzo would have been up soon, you screw him over. You got a couple more years left on the team. But I'm just saying, you'd rather screw him over so he don't get a bigger bag. Well, it was a hard situation for him.

Played in 81 games last season, started 63, set a Knicks franchise record with 283 three-pointers made. 63 averaged 19 as a starter. You can't put him back on the bench. Here's the question. Did he ask to go

or did they just put him in the trade? Put him in the trade. Put him in the trade. So if they put him in the trade, he ain't got nothing to do with him. Oh, no, no, no, no, trade? Put him in the trade. Put him in the trade. So if they put him in the trade, he ain't got nothing to do with him. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm with you. No, no, no.

He asked for a trade. Did he ask? No. No, I thought he asked for a trade. That's why I'm asking. No, he said he refuted those reports. There was talk that he was unhappy, disgruntled. He talked last night after the Nick Timberwolves game, said he didn't want to be traded and

that there was really no talk before the trade about his role in minutes diminishing or any of that type of stuff that we knew was likely going to be a result of Mikael Bridges joining that squad. But let's talk about the Knicks a little bit more now. So Knicks will likely roll out a starting five of Brunson, Bridges, Josh Hart, O.G. Ananobi, and Cat. Do the Knicks have the best starting five in the league right now? No. That's a question, Joe. Question mark. There's a yes answer and a no answer.

That's why we ask questions on this here program. No, but I do like that five, though. But no. Boston. Boston still got the... Denver. Where does this start? Are you asking me?

No. The answer is no. Exclamation point. And do you feel like this is a worse starting five than what they had last year? Where does this start in five? Are you asking me? No. The answer to the question, no. Exclamation point. And do you feel like this is a worse starting five than what they had last season? Yes, exclamation point. That's why we ask questions. No.

Yeah, they definitely got the best starting five. Our resident Knicks fan, you supportive of that starting five? Yeah, absolutely. The best starting five? Yeah, in the league. Celtics still got their crew. Yeah. Nuggets still in the mix.

Mm-hmm. So you got Philly? Mm. Yeah. Are y'all rolling with it? Huh? I know you're rolling with that Philly squad. Yeah, I'm rolling with Philly.

I don't mind. All day. I mean, Philly's going to be good. You got a solid three. You got a solid point. Solid four. I like OG. You got a solid three. You got a solid point. Solid four. I like OG. You got a solid five. You got a solid four.

You got a solid five. I can't be. I can't be two. But look, I know you can downplay the two-guard position because he doesn't score. Yeah, and it's like you look at the two-guard, you're like, but it is Josh. But he guards, he rebounds. We know if he needs to score 20, he will. What?

But it's not in his... It ain't because we asking him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just might do it. He might give us 20 randomly. I'm like, we didn't even ask for this shit. We ain't ask for it. Appreciate it, though.

Here you go. I got my 17 offensive rebounds. That's what I'm saying. So, as a... The way the lineup is, you do need somebody to sacrifice, and it's easier for him to do it than anybody else. So, I'm not mad at the starting five. I'm not mad at it, but I was like...

It's not the best, though. He said, is it the best starting five in the NBA? It was a question. I do not believe it to be true. Well, you know. But Underdog pays me. That's starting five. Who was the name throwing out this year?

Who's Sacramento throwing out their starting five? Who? Sacramento starting five. Bear Fox. This shit is going to be with Phoenix Suns? They still at five, man, though. Well, they ain't got no five. They got a heavy ass three.

Yeah. Shit, that was. You know what I mean? They got a solid point. Alex Mavericks? Solid point. Alex Mavericks? Mm.

Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. That was Mavericks. Still got the... Then there's one thing you say it's on paper, but then you just look at how they play.

We seen you add those additions. You say... Still got the Thunder in the mix, too. Play with Dallas. Minnesota starting five. Minnesota's for sure. Minnesota starting five is like that. Even though I'm not a Rudy fan.

Who are you moving? Not a Rudy fan, but still. Who are you moving on that? Who? Is McDaniels, who's, is Steven Chizzo starting? Yes. Yeah. For who?

Himself. For him. Who does he? Oh yeah, Conley. Who does he move? You got Conley? I don't think Mike Conley, no, he restarts, I believe. I don't know, they're lining up, they haven't had everybody. Mike Conley's going off the bench.

Drew, who? These are six guys right here. Who's Conley coming off the bench? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, start all three of them? No. It's too big? Is Nas Reed's contract up? He's still a six man. He's still a six man. He's still a six man. Unless you bring in Rudy off the bench. Nah. Sacre Blue. So that's what's up. So Nas Reed,

one more year on his field and a player option. Nas Reed. So a player option this summer. Wait a minute, so he can be free agent this summer? He can opt out of the deal after this season, yes. You still let him be him? Six-man. You still let him be him, though.

He still got six-man. Nas Reed. You're going to make Nas Reed the six-man because you don't want him to be a starter. That's his role. And then that motherfucker opt out. That's his role, though. It was his role until you make him a starter, then the starter is his role. Yeah.

I'll be damned if I play all 82 games and that motherfucker average 20 and you tell me I'm a six man. I think he averaged 18 when Cat was down. He averaged like 18 or something like that. I think they're going to try to James Harden him like what they did at OKC. Bring him off the bench and then hopefully he opts out this year and they can resign him as a six man contract and then start his ass next year. Because I think they're going to let Randall go. He's up, right? They'll let Randall go and then you got Nas

Reid as your starting power forward. So we asked the chat, do the Knicks have the best starting five in the NBA? As expected, 79% said no. Anybody here think the Knicks have the best starting five? Okay, a lot of head shaking. Our other resident Knicks fan. So one person.

Wait, you think the best starting five? For sure. He has to think. He's a Knicks fan. Number one seed in Adam Silver's Eastern Conference. He's a Knicks fan. Hey, can we drug test? We still got to play basketball.

We got the cup. Hey, we still got to play basketball. We still got to play basketball. That's true. At the end of the day, you look at how we play basketball. Yeah, we test the producer for hard drugs. New York play basketball, man. They play good

basketball. Everybody else be playing erratic. They don't play good basketball. So the Knicks are the only team that play good basketball? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that they do. They do. Better than the Celtics. Brunson plays good basketball.

If that's good enough, then he's a system, right? If we're going to create the system around Brunson, all we need is him to play. Yeah, you're going to say, Brunson plays basketball. Yeah, everybody else move around him. Yeah, you take him off, they eat rackets. He plays system ball. We system around him.

Now, they got some smart basketball players over there. Yeah, for sure. I think that'll take you a long way when you play smart. He's the new James Harden. Who? Who? Brunson. No, no, no, no, no.

You think so? Just a lot of dribbling and shooting and getting to the free throw line. You know what he is? For a purpose. He's a scoring Chris Paul. Yes. Ooh. No.

What I'm saying is, you know, Chris Paul controls the game. Yes. He's with you. For the pass. He can score any time he wants. But he'll pass the first, though. No, but I'm saying Chris Paul's still a passer first. No, no, I'm saying Chris Paul. But I'm saying Chris Paul controls it. He controls it. No, no, he controls it. He controls it in the pass. He can score anytime he wants. But he'll pass the first, though. No, but I'm saying Chris Paul. No, no, I'm saying Chris Paul.

But I'm saying Chris Paul. He controls it. No, no. He manipulates the game. Brunson controls the game. No, he manipulates the game. Y'all call it control. He ain't going to make no difference.

Y'all call it control. I'll call it manipulation. No, yeah. Okay, manipulation. Brunson ain't going to hit two threes and then come down and try to take a 40-footer just for a heat check. No, he's going to go right back to it. He's going to go right back to it. He's going to go right back to it.

Yes. Nah, you're going to play 24 seconds, God damn it. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. I'm going to wear your ass down. I'm going to wear you down. Yeah, that's a lot of probing with him. Hell, yeah.

I'm like, dude, shoot it. He's like, nah. I'm like, oh, you got to shoot again. That Tony Parker shit, man. Duh, foul. Yeah, foul. Shoot the layup. Shoot the layup. Gotcha, you got to get in. That Tony Parker shit. Duh, foul. I can't go tonight. Shoot the layup. Shoot the layup.

Gotcha, bitch. Gotcha. Before we get more in-depth on the Wolves' side of the deal, we got to talk about some situations that went down Sunday in the Garden in the team's only meeting this preseason. Obviously, Dante DiVincenzo was looking forward to be a part of those supernova Knicks, as Lexi Brown told us at dinner last night. Did not work out.

But after getting to end one in the first quarter DeVincenzo looked over at the Knicks bench and had this to say That's what happens when they let you run the show. That's what happens when they let you run the show. So after the game, DiVincenzo was also seen exchanging some words with Knicks assistant coach Rick Brunson, who was also Jalen's daddy. DiVincenzo said he was joking with Tibbs while at the foul line when he said, I can't finish, Tibbs, I can't finish, but also looked over at somebody else and said, that's what happens when they let you run the show. He said, that wasn't a joke.

He also said this exchange with Brunson was serious as well. You see Jalen standing nearby. He kind of moved his way out. Boy, you look just like your dad. DiVincenzo said he would talk privately with Rick and figure that out. So what's your reaction to Dante DiVincenzo going at Tibbs, obviously lightly joking, but his post-game exchange with Rick Brunson.

I like it. Where's the camera footage to show who he was talking to, who was talking back with him? That's what happened when they let you run the show. Was it Brunson? So he's saying basically Rick is out there calling all the shots. Yeah, but he tried to cover it up. Like, I wasn't talking to Rick.

I was talking to Tibbs. No, he said he was joking with Tibbs about I can't finish. Joking with Tibbs at first. At the end when he was trying to tell Brunson, I was talking to Tibbs. He said that. He said that to Brunson during the exchange. He was running that show.

He said, so Brunson. And Rick knew he was talking to him because he know. I know what you're talking about, nigga. What's up? So, $400. I like you. The chat, hey, chat! Hey, chat, your bills is being paid! That's $500 on the first show.

Damn! It's okay, brother. Hey, it's going to a good cause. No, it's not. It ain't going to work. It ain't going to work. It don't work. Hey, work, work, release, bud.

I thought I knew you another word. So he was in the locker room. He was in the organization, right? Motherfucker! You know what? You hear rumblings. You been in the locker. You little cliques and crews and people talking, and you get wind of stuff, right?

When you around, you been in the locker room. You been in the locker room hearing stuff that most of the outside world not privileged to. Mm-hmm. But there's smoke. There's fire. There's fire. So for him to say that, he must have was, it was talks, the man Rick over talking pro and stuff.

So therefore he got the opportunity to speak on it. Absolutely. Because something was said for him to make, for him to say that in that moment, something was said to him. So you're just not going to look over there and say that when you're on the free throw line. Oh, everybody would probably be like, who you talking to? Loudly. Everybody's like, who you talking to?

It's so hard to be, it's so hard to really be mad at the Brunson's man because they sacrificed so much capital to build whatever they're going to build moving forward. Who's they?

Father to son. It's like both are. You know what I mean? It's father to son, basically. Hey, man, you know, we need this moving forward. So the fact that, you know, Lutobron Sestil looks up to his daddy and the fact that he signed that contract, saving hundreds of millions of dollars for the future of that team. Well, $113 million, but it'll end up being a very small amount

if they get him back a couple years down the road. That's a big hit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You want all your money immediately. You sign a $200 today, and then later down the road, whatever you sign is whatever you sign it. You don't never get back whatever you sacrifice. But with that cap increase, the ability to sign a longer-term deal a few years,

I'm just saying a few years down the road. I'm just sleeping nights, homie. He out? Oh, he dope. Man, we are not entertaining you? No, no, no, that's just Chef I. No, he was not. Okay, he just doing what he do.

Chef low on it. But you got to imagine, Brunson now emerging. Sleep nights, Chef. What's going on? Brunson now emerging as a franchise player, giving back 113 mils so they could build this team. Do you think he had some knowledge of this trade happening before it went down,

and did he have to at least give some level of approval of it? I don't think he had to give no approval. They just said, this is what we're doing. We sent your board. They probably I don't know if they ran it by him or not But a Brunson. Yeah, but I'm don't know if they did or they didn't he felt the way when I was left it happened Dante Davies has no felt the way out that have an opposite. So Who's making all the decisions there? Who's Leon Rose? Worldwide Wes. Shout out to the legend Worldwide Wes.

Pulled up on us that summer. I mean, when you think about it, just whatever makes sense moving forward. And that's really all there. We're going to see. What is Cat? When is Cat's contract up? So Cat is good, right? He's going to be there for a minute.

So he's good for a while. He's getting his breath for a while. So he is signed. Everybody's under contract? So Cat is signed through the 2027 season. Then he has a player option, 27-28, for $61 million. So there's nobody that's up, coming up. OG is good through 2028 season.

Jalen Brunson has a player option, summer of 2028. Mikael Bridges has two more years on his deal. So he's there until at least 2026. Josh Hart has a team option 2027. Boy, they pitched a whole lot. That was the reason to trade, because there's the trade right there. Because Julius Randle was up for this season, so... There was talk, but Will said it wasn't as big of a deal

as people made it out to be, but... It was. Paying that bread to Cat for the foreseeable future. No, it don't matter. Like, if you had something to do with that. What I'm having is they probably thought that he could have left. He could have possibly just bounced on it. Yeah.

And as you know as well, Jalen Brunson, the agent, Sam Rose, the son of Leon Rose. It's a whole CIA. This is what I'm saying. Two CIA clients. Somebody knew something. Woad's retiring. I'm just saying, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Who broke it?

Who broke the news? Was that Roe? That might have been his farewell tour. That was his farewell tour. We'll see. We need you to do one last thing before we... Before we out of here.

But... So let's talk a little bit about this Will Scott. Wills are coming off their best season in the last 20 years, reaching the conference finals for the first time since 2004.

Cat had been the squad's franchise player, but obviously the emergence of Anthony Edwards as a bona fide superstar and potential face of the NBA changed that up. Coupled with the strong

core of big men, including defensive player of the year, Rudy Go up. Coupled with the strong core big man, including defensive player of the year, Rudy Gobert. We will not talk about whether or not we believe he deserved that defensive player of the year. The voters voted. It is what it is. They also got sixth man of the year, Nas Reed, which obviously made Cat expendable. But y'all like Randall and DiVincenzo

fitting in with Ant-Man and this Wolf squad this season? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Make them laugh. Exciting. Yep, they got that shooter. Randall's still a dog. He's still going to do what he do. You didn't lose nothing. No. You didn't lose nothing important.

In a sense where you got something back important too. So you lost a power forward that can score double-double. You also got back a guy who's a double-double and you added Devin Chinzo and didn't lose none of your young pieces so that's a then you got you got you know Rob who's a wild card Rob that's that can be your Jordan Poole in a championship run

nobody knows I forgot Rob is over there you don't know nothing about him and you're not gonna have a scouting report for the kid and you can put him in in situations and he can go hot real quick. Any concern with Randall and his shoulder injury at all? Has not played this preseason, expected to play at some point next week. They didn't say whether season opener or not, but he'll make his debut.

He's probably practicing every single day with them. He's doing everything. He's just, there's no need to perform. Yeah, you got enough talent right now to take it easy with him. There's no urgency of him starting the season off and playing in the first month if you don't need him to. You got Nas Reed. You can roll out Nas and go there.

Nas can average, what, 19 and 8 this year? Easy. But Gil, you already said, do you want that with him with a playoff? Y'all tripping. You don't think Nas Reed can? This is probably the most difficult season Anthony Edwards is probably ever going to have because it's the most talented team probably they'll ever have together. So he's going to have to mitigate his talent for everybody else to shine as a team.

It's going to be a terrible understanding for him to really say, I got to dial my game back so that everyone can actually show something of a reminiscence of a championship team. Boy, this boy going to be in the MVP conversation. What are you talking about? So then that means that everybody else got to minimize their games. He got to minimize their games. No.

The team is so good. The team right now is so good. If Anthony Edwards goes in trying to prove himself more than what he's already proven, it's going to fuck up the chemistry. You know the thing about... He's more efficient, though. He's more efficient this year. That 26 is going to be 28, 29. He can be 26, but he

is, though. What did he do last year? He shot the team out. He shot them out because he's trying to play hero ball at the end. And he doesn't understand that sometimes you got to mitigate and get guys open to get you. So he learned. He learned.

He's a year smarter. We won't know what he learned until we see it. So when we look at the skill test and you say, man, what can he learn with a really good team? Well, we know what you can do with a team that's up and coming. But now that the team is assembled, where you got Julius Randles established, Rudy established, Mike Conley established,

then you got Devin Chinzo trying to establish himself. You got McDaniels trying to establish himself. It's a team full of guys that's looking for growth. Anthony Edwards is the star, and they're trying to give him everything all at once. So for him, think about all the statements that he's making. Think about all the stuff he's saying. But it's like, we're looking at it, you're looking at it wrong

because he didn't have, he didn't come to a bad team where he got to be really selfish early, right? So he didn't get the average 20, 30 winning MVP where you have to worry about that. He already came into a winning situation where he was already sacrificing his potential greatness. So he didn't get to have

really that selfish average of 33, 34. He's already been on a good team for the long time. He's been in the playoffs. He's only 22, 23 years old. It's not like... Same thing with Jason Tatum. He comes in and they don't have to have that MVP scoring

where when a star gets there, they're bucking over whose team this is. He's like, this is my team, but I don't need to average 30. You remember who was on the team when he got there? Cat. Who else? Wiggins, right? So, Wolves were nasty.

Two other number one picks. Yeah. Two other number one picks. So. Two other number one picks. So, of course, you're not coming in as the main guy, as a rookie. Yeah. Right? So now year three comes in. Wiggins is out.

It's just me and Cat. Now it's like, I'm better than you. You're going to give it to me. Or I'm going to take it. Which one? All right, I took it. Now he's had the same team for the last four years. Yeah, but they won.

Playoffs, three straight seasons. Western Conference Finals last year. But do you think... It's only going to get better, man. He's made the team the way it is now. He's made them better to this point. But you've never played with them as good as they are now with you still being as hungry as you are trying to... So Western Conference Finals last season,

had the Olympic run this year, got to see that old guard. But is he trying to make a move now for the throne? He doesn't have to. You don't have to. What I'm saying is he is. He's making a move. Year five. You hear it.

He's sacrificed. You hear him making the move. Yeah, he's been sacrificed. Watch him play, man. It's effortless out there for him now, man. On offensive end, it's effortless for him now. I think they finished one, man. They could.

He's one scheme away from just joining. He's going to be in the MVP conversation this year. That's what I'm saying. There's the way he's playing. They averaged 20,

just call it 26, 5 and 5 last year. 26, 5 and 5. They're number one. They're like 36 from 3. All them numbers going up. You're going to get to the line more.

That's fine. All them numbers going up. 28 this year? Yes. They'll win it. You got another guy that's a double more. That's fine. All the numbers going up. 28 this year? Yes. They'll win it. You got another guy that's a double-double where you can throw the ball to go get a bucket. Yeah, I like him. He's going to sacrifice so much that that selfish intention is not in him.

That averaging 37 for a season, doing everything, and then now with Star coming on, now we like, oh, how much I got to average it? Nah. I don't think he's selfish, though. he's not just he but he's never had to Yeah, I came in winning came in smiling and that's what he already came in winning that's So he's I mean we'll see Juicy like Minnesota year five. I'm 23. I think he takes that next more Netflix heavy

Starting five on Netflix basically basically alluding that- Do we know the game right now? That he'll take over for LeBron. Don't. We still learning. Still learning. He knows enough. He knows enough?

He has enough smart people around him. To make it to the Western Conference finals last year? Yeah. I don't like when you give him grace for falling short and don't hold his feet to the fire. Who? When we're saying, oh, he don't have to. He don't have to do nothing year five. Who said that?

We just said it. You just said it. No, we said, like, he doesn't have to, like, go overboard like you were saying. Like, I don't think he's going to do that. He's going to play the way he played last year. Right, which is not MVP. But smarter. Huh?

Which is not MVP. He was playing MVP last year. He's playing is not MVP. Huh? Which is not MVP. He was playing MVP basketball. He was playing MVP basketball. I finished seventh, I believe, in MVP basketball. He was playing MVP basketball. You're deep on the playoffs, which you can't get that experience unless you get that experience

of playing deep in the playoffs, which he has. Matt KD beat Magnus. But why is everything on him? Why are we not blaming Kats? He's a star. Yeah, but what about Kats? No, I'm saying, no, but you're saying last year, like last year like why he didn't like he shot him out and all this like he shot him out

Look, we're not on his feet. He ain't got nothing. Bunch of niggas sitting in the corner And that's why I said this year if he shot him out last year because he didn't have nobody else gonna help him Now he do this year. Are you gonna let them guys shoot? Hell yeah, he let them shoot. If you gonna let to let them shoot, that means your number's going to go down. That's cool. That's my whole point. That was my whole point.

You know what it is? My whole point is he had to mitigate his game for the team. That's what I said from the start. He will average more than 25.9. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well, Randall and Devin

should have more than 25.9 and more than five assists. Now you can't load up on him anymore like you were before. He'll average more than five assists. Now you can't load up on him anymore like you were before. He'll average more than five assists. And he will average more than 25.9. I believe that. This year.

I believe that. So his numbers won't go down, they'll go up. Listen, he got to sit around. He got to sit around. Only thing that might stay the same is rebounds. Braun, Curry, KD. He got to really sit and pick the brains of great players. That's one.

That's one on a high level. That's one with each other. And he gets to learn. He got to learn from them. Right? So that's going to take him to another level, just that experience, practicing with them every day, watching the mannerisms of them. So I think he's going to turn it up this year.

So Ant-Man's season-long higher or lower on Underdog Fantasy is 27.3 points per game. This man a salient, man. This man a red bull over here, man. Hey, man, you got to sleep nice, dog. Hey. Sleep nice. You got to sleep nice, man. You can't hoop with the Owls. You're sore with the Eagles on this game.

You know what I'm talking about? He over there, boy. Every four seconds, Chef over there. Got to sleep nice. You can't hoot with the owls, you're sore with the eagles on this Gilgamesh. You know what I'm talking about? He over there, boy, you... Every four seconds, Chef over there. Y'all got to keep him entertained. You see that thumb do this. So Ant-Man season long, high or lower on Underdog Fantasy's 27.3 points per game.

We going higher or lower on Ant-Man average of 20? 27.3. Watch him do 27.29 just to mess with y'all. I'm going to go higher. Higher than 27.3 points per game this season for Anthony Edwards. It's that time, man. Average 25.9 last season. I don't know.

Another point and a half? Another point? Another point and a half? Yep. It's right there. It was a perfect number, man. It's like... I think 20. It's like 20...

It's like either right at 27 or 27.6. Something is going to be... Yeah, I'll go lower. I'll go lower. We're going to be able to round it up to 28? Or it's going to be... They're going to be blowing so many people out that he's not going to be able to get it up to 28? Or it's going to be... They're going to be blowing so many people out that he's not going to be able to get the numbers he wants.

Not with 27. It's going to be that Steph MVP year. Them three quarters are going to be so impactful that we're not even going to look at the numbers as... So this offseason, Ant-Man said that he wants to bring a banner to Minnesota. Most of the people on this couch think a move to a bigger market will be beneficial to his career, but if the Wolves can't build on the success they had last season, will it lead

to Ant-Man wanting to take his talents to a bigger... No. Y'all think he's staying? He's locked up. He's got four or five more years. Yeah, I'm not putting that in there. He's what? Four or five.

Yeah, no, hell no. You good? Yeah, yeah. Minnesota. You got A-Rod. And nah. And this is going to leave until they... And Gil or another hunter.

Okay. Put it in the bucket. Hey, we need a... Who don't leave until what? Can we get a pause real quick? Just a pause. We need like a ninja counter. Steve doing it.

He ain't paying attention. They already caught you. They caught a couple of y'all already. They caught a couple of y'all. They didn't catch it. He didn't catch it. You didn't say that. No, I have not.

Yeah, my sister. No, I have. Listen, see, this is the thing. See, this is the thing. When I, see, this is how I have. I didn't finish mine. Hold on. But you did.

Did I finish it? I'm finna put a disclaimer out there right now. I have an advantage over y'all in this aspect. Wow. Because, listen, I've been on, I've done, listen, I've been on Fox, I've been on ESPN, I've been in these places doing radio where I, I couldn't cuss and I couldn't use the N word. So therefore.

That's crazy. I have an advantage. I know how to turn it off. I've had to turn it off. I'm at 600. I'm at 600. No, no. We at off 600 I got three done that we've done that but no but you yeah, you didn't catch it We so we are at 800 total shot how do you spin right? I get $1,000 today That might get a thousand missed it. Huh? You missed regular didn't catch everything man. I'm out So do it so if I miss you being on ESPN, I missed it

Fox radio shows. I got experience just like you. I can cut it off. I just like saying it. I like hearing it. I like saying it. I like saying it. I like hearing it.

And it said we on YouTube, so I'm like, yeah, I'm comfortable saying it here. But if we on set, it's like we home. And I see the boss over there. I seen the boss over there. He said, you said it one more time, you're out of here. He's like, yeah, I ain't going to say it. I ain't saying it no more, boss. You better leave me alone. Keep saying it.

Hey, do you, brother? Hey. Uh. And as a reminder. Don't try to put me in your category, because I know I ain't said it, brother. Don't, don't, don't, don't do that. If you ain't got facts, don't, don't, don't do that. Because it's false. Don't lie on this couch. Send me the, uh. Don't lie. don't don't do that If you ain't got facts, no don't don't do that because it's false don't lie on this couch

Send me they don't lie. We got the tape. Yeah, you know, no no jack the check cuz they want they money So they own it send me the clips If you want You wronged Douglas. I ain't, we're not going to be wronged for. That's it for me. I ain't got to show y'all. I ain't got to show nobody. So let's make a bet. No bets. Let's bet. No bets. Well then.

No bets. We do higher or lower here. Bear tree. Bear tree. No bets. No bets. No bets. Let me get my evidence together

and then I'm going to bet. Dad, this applies to you as well. I see people using it in the chat. I will alert Kenyon. Yeah. And we will find you. We have ways of doing it. But before we move on, as always, a reminder,

this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. Go ahead, download the app. They got tons of Boostober specials. But when you download that, make sure you use promo code GIL. Get up to $1,000 in bonus cash, plus all those specials and a special pick-em. So before we move on on this topic, we got some other Knicks things we need to address. We got to talk about a situation that has arisen between Brandon and certain members of the Nova Knicks.

So, Brandon, during one of our shows in Vegas at Summer League after the McHale-Bridges trade, we talked about the Nova Knicks, specifically Jalen Brunson, knowing what it takes to win a championship from his college days. You said this. He knows what winning feels like. He knows what winning feels like. He knows what winning feels like. They don't care about that college shit. You know what winning feels like?

When you win something, you know what it feels like. No, you're a champion when you're in the NBA. You're a champion when you're in the NBA. You care about that college shit? When you win an award, it all feels the same, bro. No, it don't.

Like when I beat you in 2K, it feels the same. No, it don't. It feels the same as a national championship. Certain wins are just different. It feels the same as a national championship. Man, when I beat you in 2K, it feels the same. You're talking about he know what it feels like to be a champion in college, not don't. No, I don't. Certain wins are just different. Certain wins are just different. When I beat him in two days, it feels the same. He know what it feels like to be a champion in college, not the NBA.

So he knows what it feels like to be a champion in college, not in the NBA. Well, it appears that at least some members of the Nova Knicks crew watch our show, as they should, just like all you at home. So an interview with GQ Sports, Josh Hart had this response to your comments, Mr. B. He said, if you never won anything in your life, you can't talk about winning. For guys who've only been losers to talk about how to win is foolish to me. Brand new. What is your read? Think about it. Read exactly what he said. I know because I've seen your lips getting ready to just go.

Your lips turning black. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. He did it, right? Nick, Nick, Nick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm about to swear jar coming.

I'm going to read it again, Brandon. Just take it on its own. He said if you've never won anything in your life, you can't talk about winning. For guys who've only been losers, to talk about how to win is foolish to me. Again, this is Josh Hart. He's talking to you.

In an interview with GQ Sports, he responds to the Gills Arena Clips from Summer League. He's not talking to nobody. We'll give you time, Brandon, to turn into Mr. B. You got two more seconds. I mean, of course I've won in life. I mean, I'm winning now, like every day. Every day I wake up with opportunities,

so I don't know what he's talking about with that. I was good enough. I didn't have to go to college. I know he's won a college championship, so I don't know nothing about it. So you have no idea. I don't do that. Because you were getting bread. Yeah, 1.5 out of high.

I don't know that. So I've been winning. I'm the one that's the reason why everybody's getting paid now. Let's talk to Josh Hart. NIL deals. He's winning now, though. He's got a NICU uniform on. You're the reason that some of these kids are signing 360 deals. No, I am the reason. Predatory. Okay. That's a good one. That's a good one. I'm winning though. We all winning. I was at Noble yesterday eating. Yeah. Ocean View. The mist from the ocean raining down on our dome. That reminds me of Deshaun Stevenson. When you sit there talking about college. I don't know nothing about that. I don't know nothing about that. I'm straight to the pros. I was eating lunch line. I was eating filet mignon. That's right the shot

We said I know you know how we used to talk shit He always used to trumpet with I don't know what none of that None about none of that so And they coming at you So brand as a former Nick are you insulted at all that a current Nick? No. No, I mean, once a Nick, always a Nick. Okay.

I mean, they had a chance to win it, but now they don't. So we'll see how much winning he'll be doing in life. Be careful with them Knicks. You know, they'll start booing you. It looks like we might have to go to New York. Mm-hmm. See what's cracking Shot see you

Waving the severed head. I'm just saying hi to Brandon We talked about this briefly at dinner last night number three Number three and Brandon you winning 2k you winning 2K. You winning 2K. You winning Madden. Messy. You win. No, I was just wondering. You win. Wait, did you wear three yet?

Yeah. With the Knicks. Did you give Josh Hart your blessing to wear number three with the Knicks? Nah. You did not. Okay. So how do you feel about Josh Hart coming out a member of the Gills Arena crew? A member. One of the proud members, Mr. B. Brandon Jennings.

I hope they jump him. Niggas ain't come from my side. Oh! Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Ting. Ting. I dare y'all to say, y'all supposed to just breeze over it. Ain't nobody here supposed to be.

The funny part is, the chat ain't going to cancel us. They don't care. They don't care now. The chat is like, keep saying it. Yeah. What's that, 900? And in our never-ending quest to instigate the health of chat, get their bread, we have some more beverages coming through.

He has passed. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. We have things to do later. I can control it. We see cash apps like, whoo! I can control it. That's the only thing in this chat room. Yeah, that's what I

used to say. That's what I used to say. I got six kids. My pull-out game. I can control it. No, you can't. Better go get it snipped. Like this. You better go get it snipped. There's a difference between wanting to and doing what you do.

Come on, man. Do your thing, Jack. Come on, man. It's going to be a never-ending. Hey, you're doing it again. It's like, yes, it's another 100, my nigga. That's 1,000. That's 1,000 right there. 1,000 a day. Ain't no other tag out of 1 my nigga. That's a thousand. That's a thousand right there.

That's a thousand today. Ain't no, the chat got a thousand. That's good. Thousand dollars for the chat. I feel like this plan backfired. We huddled up as a crew. We huddled up. We made a commitment.

We did. We got you. We got you. Yeah, we ain't going to say no more. You did it. What you say? I said, what happens if Luca hits a long jumper? I need it to know.

We will find out soon. But I see everybody on the couch rocking. Gills Arena Season 3 merch. We see the hats. We got some new merch. We see the hats. I was like, man. We got a long way to go.

For $700, I ain't got some. $700, you know I could have got for $700. You want me to act like Michael Irvin? I can. I ain't lean. You want me to be me? I'll be G-Virgin. Not Michael Irvin.

Be the G-Virgin. What y'all want me to do? Nobody ask you to be the G-Virgin. It's just going to cost you. It's just going to cost you. Do you. Like I keep saying, do you, brother. Do you.

Hey, it ain't coming out of my check. Damn show. See, most of y'all on the couch rocking the Gills Arena Season 3 merch. Yeah. Shout out. I'm going to cheer you on to keep saying it. We did a light collab with Chuck Prout. Yeah. I'm going to cheer you on to keep saying it.

He won't be just spending my money. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. So for all the fans in the chat who've been asking us about official Gills Arena merch, we have some heat coming for you soon. So should we show them a few samples of the product just to see? Oh, ooh.

Ooh. That's for us Lakers. Ooh, what we doing? We got caps. We got shorts. Ooh, we got sweatshirts, hoodies. That's one Gilbert Arena's he's wearing today. Multicolored. We got caps, we got sweatshirts, hoodies. That's one Gilbert Arenas is wearing today. Multi-colored.

We got pants. In the arena. Coming soon. Very reasonable price. So make sure you support Gil's Arena and our official merch when it drops. If we see you on the street wearing it, Underdog will give you a $100 bonus. And we'll sign it. We'll sign the merch.

We will sign it. Yo, speaking the merch. And we will sign it. Yo, speaking of merch, man, I want to shout out Curry Brand, tough crowd. We did a merch giveaway for the kids this weekend. We had like 50 kids come to Raleigh Park. Gave out over like $100,000 worth of gear for the kids. Wow.

Shout out Lynn. Shout out Lynn from Undarmer, Steve. Everybody from the Curry Brand. Tough crowd, man. Thank Lynn. Come on, Darmer. Steve. Everybody from the Curry brand. Tough crowd, man. Thank you. So, Brandon, obviously, the show's presented by Underdog Fantasy. Gotta do a special higher or lower. Higher or lower, Josh Hart wears.5 tough crowd fits this season. I'm definitely

sending him some gear. You're gonna send him some gear? That's a good man, Brandon. He should. Third best, number three in franchise history is what they're saying. The third what? Third best. In what? Number three.

In what, the Knicks? You got John Starrs, you got, um... A lot of people wore number three. Stop it, you. Don't be disrespectful. A lot of people wore number three. Don't be disrespectful. No, Mulberry, John Starr. Don't be disrespectful.

And then Josh Hart. And then Josh Hart. No. They say Brandon's fourth? So where's Brandon? Seven. With the Bucs? Who? I don't know. I don't know. Number three, man. I's Brandon? With the box

So I won number three with the Knicks oh so y'all was on the same team Oh Same college football Say thank college football you had the same number he playing offense. I'm playing defense like no 26 players have worn number three. Mm. Where do you rank Brendan? Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. Wow! He's at the bottom.

Ah! Yeah, I don't know if you... I just know it. I just seen it at the bottom. Tracy McGrady wore number three with the Knicks. Or was he good then? It don't matter, Gil. Okay.

We have narratives to push. Number three? Yes. He did? We have narratives to push. Yes. He did? We have narratives to push. Wait, he played for the Knicks? No, I did not know. I'm trying.

What year was that? Wait, did he play? I don't know. What, huh? 2010. It was like when my aunt, Anthony Hardaway played. I was like, ah.

29, 29, 09. Wait. Let me double check. Which 10? Let me check. Is it going in 11? Is it going into the lockout year? I know he played for the Spurs.

It just said 2010 on there. It just says 2010, so. I remember he played for the Spurs. Is that the lockout year? Or is it the year before? Because the lockout year was. 2009, 2010. So it was two.

Where? 24 games. Uh-uh. Yeah. That's why we don't. But nonetheless, we got Gills Arena merch coming soon. Lockout year is 10-11, so it wasn't 10-uh. Yeah. That's why we don't... But nonetheless, we got Gills Arena merch coming soon. Let's talk about a topic we don't really discuss here on this program. Zion Jail?

What was I at? Was I at jail? Was this the gun? This is a gun situation? No, I know. Wait, hold on. You missed just the whole scene. Was I at the hallway?

Did the halfway houseman just happen? Because that's crazy. 09, 010. Yup. Jail?. I was in halfway. I got in trouble. Yeah The Wizards cut off my all my NBA package And they say you can't watch no more no more sports Yeah I was like, I never see when when did he play there? Yeah, it was that mouth, yeah. I was like, I've never seen him. When did he play there?

Yeah, it was that year. Yeah, I was off. I was in Miami. I was at Tussie's. It was just watching the game. Yeah, I was at Tussie's. Trying to watch the game? It was no watching no game.

I was watching exactly what I went there for. I said trying. Oh, trying, yeah, yeah. But you was distracted. You want to turn the gun, Mr. Gilt? No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, but you was distracted. Yeah, yeah turn the game, Mr. Gilt? No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, but you was distracted. Yeah, yeah.

Anywho, let's talk about a topic we don't really discuss on this show, the Lakers. So LeBron and Bronny made history this preseason in the game against the Suns on October 6th, becoming the first father and son duo to play together in the league. And according to Shams, who's now at ESPN, replacing Woe, shout out Shams for that move, we may see the pair on the floor at some point during the Lakers' season opener against the Wolves this coming Tuesday.

So, how special of a moment will it be for Bron and Bronny to play together in a real NBA game? I mean, it would be looking like... I mean, seriously, it would look like Ken Griffey joined his dad. No, I'm not. I'm just saying, them being on the... The sentiments.

Yeah, like, I'm just saying, them being on the same floor. I don't know what's going to happen. Okay. In reality, for that to happen, for it to happen in the real season, it would be like the fourth quarter.

They're up a lot enough to put Bronny in. And LeBron is still in the game, which he shouldn't be. But it's going to happen. It's going to happen. They're going to try to figure out a way to make it happen so it'll be one of those things where you're subbing in the bench

and you leave LeBron in for a minute, minute and a half. It'll be one of those. Let's just be honest. Let's just go ahead and get it out of the way. Let's just do it game one. Start them. Yeah, whatever. Whatever you got, just get it out of the way. You going to go ahead and get it out the way. Let's just do it game one. Start them! Yeah, whatever. Whatever you got to do, get it out the way.

Like, so it ain't this whole thing, right? Who we playing game one? Minnesota Timberwolves. Nope. This loss. Never mind. You guys are losing to Minnesota. Honey!

Yo, what's our second game? Relax. Suns. Loss, 0-2. What's our third game? Brandon, Brandon, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're 7-3. 7-3, my... We starting the season 2-0. What's the third game? Brandon, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're 7-3. 7-3, my...

We starting the season 2-0. 2-0? Everybody's starting off. They don't know what they have. We're not worried about it. Y'all don't know what y'all got. Relax. We're not worried about it. Hey, guess what?

They got J.J. Redick as our coach. Relax. Hey, one thing they know, they got more than y'all. They got J.J. Redick as our coach. You say that as if it's a bad thing. And we starting the season off. We starting the season off. Everybody's on a new slate.

You know who you have as your coach in history. So relax. Man, they gonna treat him like Rudy. Don Tonavit. Get him out of here. Like how Kobe was talking to him. Get that shit out of here. Our key man here.

This ain't Houston Rockets. This ain't Duke. This nigga's Houston Rockets. This ain't Duke. This nigga's going to be trash. Another one, please. That's 100. Hey, Brandon, 100. Rashad, I see you there. Y'all not going to be top five.

Holding a wooden club. Looks like a baseball bet. Ken Griffey Jr. or senior. I don't know. That's the significance of your club. What are your thoughts on the significance of LeBron and Bronny becoming the first father-son duo to play in the NBA game together?

No comment. Did you have an N-word or two? No, no, no. Okay. Congratulations. Thank you, brother. No, fact. No, fact.

Yeah, congratulations. Fact. It is. It is. Congratulations. Much adieu. I ain't seen nobody do it. It's a proud moment. Definitely.

Proud father. When it happens. We should definitely celebrate it. It won't happen again. I mean, the preseason is a preseason. That don't count. It does not. That don't count.

The regular season, get it out of the way so it's not part of this media's narrative. I'm starting to hate these people. Good job. What people, Gil? The media. Like, the ones that don't know sports,

they're more like reality. Right? When you start really talking now, you really understand that who was the one they filmed this house? And he's like,

I thought this was about my job. That? That, yeah. He's like, what thought this was about my job. That? That, yeah. He's like, what does my house have to do with the sport? Same thing with here. It's like you focus so much on how bad you think Bronny's playing when he's the 56th. He's not the number one pick in the draft. You don't need to focus on the man so much like he's the number one pick

or the number two pick in the draft. There was a stat that went out that said. How about the first 54 picks? Yeah. He was a minus 40. Through the first three preseason games. Through the first three preseason games. He raised last.

Cool. Who ranked second to last? That should be a story. That's the number two pick in the draft. Unfortunately, he's placed for the Wizards, but that's the number two pick in the draft, and that's not a story. You want to focus on the 56th pick, and the number two pick is right in front of him.

Like, come on. Like, relax. Like, I understand that you... That's why I said it's... I consider it immature analysts. Absolutely. It's the, it's low-hanging fruit. It's easy to pick on the fucking 56th pick in the draft.

Right, every time he don't get in, oh he got a DNP! Oh, he got a DNP, he didn't play like it's the 56th pick in the draft. 55th. 55th. Yeah, but see they- Does it matter? I'm just trying to give him a blow. It's just the way that they're just is what I'm saying is because he's

Because his daddy's who is that he is that you don't like the daddy. It's easy to pick on the son Come on, don't do that Throw throw rocks at the throne He if he's the throne if he's the king pick on the king stop picking on the guy who's trying to get his career going We're not going loud, though We're not going I got to say if Bonnie was a top five pick, have at it. But he got picked exactly where his talent is right now

and where his media exposure should be, right? I mean, if he's the 55th pick, is the 54th pick getting more exposure than him? No, we don't even know who that is. We don't even know who the 54th pick is. I don't even know who the first pick was. Zako, we resushed know who that is. Is the first pick. We don't even know who the 54th pick is. I don't even know who the first pick was. Zacho, Zacho, where you research? I said no comment.

I forgot who was the first pick. We like that you said no comment. Said no comment. But it's a great, listen, I just told you. What was the dude's name? Who, the first pick? No, no, no. The second pick.

No, no, no, no. The guy who played well. Start with a Q. Oh, Quincy Oliveri. That's his name? Yeah, undrafted. He's undrafted? Yep. What'd he do?. That's his name? Yeah, undrafted. He's undrafted? Yep.

What'd he do? Could you run his test? Smack Doc Rivers and Darvin Hamm in that preseason game against the Bucs. What was his test? He had like 11 points. 11 points in like three, four minutes or something? No, it was 10. 10 minutes?

Yeah. Okay. And... Undrafted. Undrafted. Did we talk about him? He played for the Lakers. We talked about him right now. Did we talk about him before? He played for the Lakers. And undrafted. Undrafted. Did we talk about him? He played for the Lakers. We talked about him right now.

Did we talk about him before? He played for the Lakers? He does. Yeah. So how old is he? How old? 23. 23.

Oh, yeah, he should be then. Yeah, what the fuck? Let's call the spade a spade. I'm not going to let nobody pick on a 19-year-old kid. Because he should be in college. Yeah, he should still be in college. So therefore, I'm not going to let nobody. I mean, because he played for the Lakers. Did he make a decision to enter a man's league? Like people like they should be in college Because you play for the lady make a decision to enter a man's league. Yeah, were you gonna get criticized heavily?

But you get paid to perform. Why are you... Why is it always on him, though? Why is it on him, though? You get paid for us to criticize you, too. No, so that's fine. Name one second round you done criticized in preseason in NBA history. In NBA history. Why are you picking him as the first? It's the record because you were the first father's son. That's why.

You don't like this record? You don't like this record, though of you don't like this record let's raise it you don't like this right while we pray like that break but let's let's bring it let's write it off why we're not celebrating we praise the father son I say one and one like these are the two foot we're not saying like he's a number one pick in the draft and he's underperforming. That's not the case. He's the second-round pick who's not going to get no minutes, who's not going to play. Why are you bashing for that? That's because that's not the narrative.

The narrative is you're his son and they made moves to get you where you are. What moves did they make? He was the 50th pick. It's not like they moved up in the draft to get him at 17. It's not like they called teams and told them not to draft him. Not to draft. Bro, teams were going to draft him. Hold on, say that again. Not to draft, meaning he would

have went a little bit earlier, right? Meaning don't draft him. So, if I'm calling you to not draft, you can't. Why are you calling me not to draft? So they don't draft my son. Why? Because I want to be with my son. So this is a part of the business you get criticized for. draft? So they don't draft my son. Why? Because I want to be with my son. So this is a part of the business you get criticized for. You can't say don't criticize me for being the second-round pick and underperforming,

but then say give me praise because my dad moved mountains for me to be here. Nobody said praise him. Be here. Nobody's saying praise him. Wait, wait, wait. They did this so nobody, listen, the demand as as it stands is fragile because of where he got drafted it's a fragile career as is so why would i put my son in a different situation with a different organization to mess up his career to throw him out there early for him to look bad

or to put him in a situation no we're not gonna do that all this so. Oh, this is bad. So, listen, I get it. Trust me. I've had to think about that. And what I absolutely, I would have moved mountains to get KJ if I still was in the league to have KJ play with me. Exactly. Move goddamn mountains to have that boy right there with me. No doubt about it.

But the fact that he in the league, I'm like, even better. But the fact that these dudes playing together or just in the league at the same time, but he was able to control the narrative. Listen, we understand where his skill set is. It's fragile right now. I'm not going to send him to a bad organization where they're going to do Lord knows what with his... We're not going to do that. So, yeah, and all the shit, the nepotism shit,

all that, man, this shit has been going... Nepotism has been going on forever, man. You look at any Fortune 500 company, any billionaire, they ain't picking no dude off the street to run their company. It's a fact. They're passing it down. Was there nepotism when Brunson got his son over there? It's been going on from Bill Walton versus Luke Walton.

It's, dog, you... Doc McGrath got his son over there. Dog, you... I'm talking to somebody the other day... He's the number one pick. And... No, I'm day, and Brandon Watson walked in, the boxing dude walked in, we're talking about nepotism, right? He walked in, I said, nepotism in its finest. His dad is in boxing. Now, you just pass it, it's in every walk and every facet of life.

If somebody owns a convenience store and they get older, they not gonna go give it to me. They gonna give it to their son. Right? They not gonna just come pick me. I'll walk in and I know business. Like, you know what, you want to run my store that I had in my family for 200 years? No.

Like, it just... I think it's called... What's her name, Jenny Buss? Yeah. Buss, right? It's Jenny Buss, right? Yes. Who was her father? Daughter of Jerry Buss. Who did Jerry Buss own Yeah. Buss, right? It's Jenny Buss, right? Yes. Who was her father? Daughter of Jerry Buss.

Daughter of Jerry Buss. Who did Jerry Buss own? What team? The Lakers and the Kings. Let me tell you what goes on. If we're going to criticize your daddy, guess who's going to get criticized, too? Nah, you're going to get criticized. But that's what I'm saying.

Nah, nah, let's be serious. You got that show, Eddie. Who's going to get criticized, too? So you'd rather pick on the 50? What you mean? Everybody get criticized. You're picking on the 50. It's lineage. It's bloodline. How about this? Hey, your dad was get criticized, too? So you'd rather pick on the 50? Everybody get criticized. You picking on the 50. It's lineage.

It's bloodline. How about this? Hey, your dad was picked on, too, man. He used to get bullied. Hey, let me, let me, let me. But you ain't no different, my nigga. You going to have to stick up for yourself. You're bullied, number one pick.

You're going to have to do some push-ups. You got to do something. Hey, can anybody tell me what the number one pick scored last night? Who, Zachary Rees-Sachet? Yeah. Well, Gil, of course I can, but... Anybody?

Nobody, no. How about the number two pick? I don't even know who he is. We don't know who they are. The number three pick? Alex R. Rees-Shepard, number three pick. I got a better one for you. How about the top 15?

Anybody that's in the line? No, no, no. So nobody knows nothing about the top 15 picks. That is the problem here That they're focused on the 55th pick in the NBA draft and Everybody else the top five picks get to go through the league like nothing Hey, I know they over all of them over there like whoo. Thank God. Thank God. We got brought in our draft That's the fact that's the fact all of them over there like, thank God for Bronny. Thank God we got Bronny in our draft. Thank God for Bronny in our draft.

That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact they're doing that. Because if there's no Bronny, the kid from the Wizards would be called a bust today. Because if you take Bronny out, he will be last in preseason. So he's worse than Bronny.

If we think about the numbers. In theory right now, the young kid over there will be considered, he's busting out right now. As a number two pick in the draft, he's busting out. You're at the bottom with LeBron James' son. You're ranked in preseason, first three games, 493. Damn. 93.

We expect the last couple picks to be there. Not you, sir. Right, right, right. On a team where you get to do whatever the fuck you want to do. Facts. But that's not a narrative nobody wants to talk about. Cool. Like, if you like the clicks and you want to talk about the young fella,

how bad he's doing, because I know it's going to happen. His daddy has a triple-double. He played one minute. We're going to talk about, oh, he was over two. Trash. Can't do that. I would say they combine for a triple-double.

Just so I can look at it. Oh, man. You're definitely going to be doing that. I'll push narratives on this show. Just like any man, but let's wait until they get 21, 20, 20, 21, 22, 23. Like, that's when you read. I said that. I said give them three years.

So, Gil, to your point. Hold on, hold on. Did we criticize Scoot Hiddleston last year? No, not really. A little bit. We did talk Scoot a little bit. His is second year last year, right? A little bit.

No, this year's second year. He was a rookie last year. He is his second year last year, right? A little bit. No, this year's his second year. He was a rookie last year. Yes, second year this year. Rookie last year. Wait, what? I believe he definitely got heavily criticized. Did he? Yes, his team was.

No, he didn't. His team was. He's 19, too. We didn't really say anything about that. We didn't even know he went to the G League. We didn't even know the number two. We wasn't talking about. He wasn't a player.

We talked about him a little bit. We didn't talk about him like that. Talk to me. I'm just talking about what we're talking about. Nobody really talked about him a little bit. We didn't talk about him like that. Just talk to me. I'm just talking what we're talking about. Like, we're talking. He was injured? He was injured. He was injured. He was injured.

He had a few of his eyes. But he got his feet back. And he had a few of his hands. Sure. Yeah, but we weren't talking about him. Played 62 games, 32 starts. The team was trash. But the Blazers were hot boo-boo, as we've already said.

So not necessarily a topic. So, no, nobody really bashed him. No, he got criticized. I bashed him for wearing double zero of them goggles. We did. We did talk about the zero and the goggles. Double zero and the goggles. We didn't talk about his game.

Because I see Kevin Duckworth every time. The only person wearing double zero is Kyle Watson from Brother Rim. I go ahead. Mr. B is in the building. But what about it, though? I was just like, you know, we're above criticism. It's just going to be a... But we didn't really criticize him last year, though.

It's going to be a one-sided street, man. We didn't really talk about him last year at all. Talk about who? Scoop. Yeah, I know. We was talking about Bronny. We talked about Bronny more than Scoop. Why, though?

I don't know. You tell me. I ain't asking questions. And Scoop top five, right? I'm not asking the questions, man. Rashad, who is asking the questions? I'm not asking the questions, man. Rashad, who is asking the questions? I'm not asking the questions. I'm just saying.

We talk about Bronny right now more than everybody else. We spoke to your brother. I know. Because you want to bat. Let's just say if Bronny wasn't in the draft and we wasn't talking about it, like you said, if everybody else was like, we got Bronny there so they ain't got to see us, it would just be like the last two, three drafts.

There's not a lot of talent for us to be all in over, and everybody goes through their process of development during their first year. Everybody's going to go through that same type of thing. So why can't he get his development? You just said, without Bronny there, all those other guys would feel the same. Like, yeah, they're looking at us and they're not. It don't matter. We're rookies. You just said if nobody talks about the rookies their first year

so they can get their development, why are you not letting the 55th pick get his development before? Because he's taking all the attention away from everybody. No, y'all giving him all the attention because you want. Because you don't want to talk because you can't go at his daddy. It ain't his fault. He was put in this position. He wants it, though.

No, I don't think he wants it. So why are you doing this? Because it's not a situation he can come out being successful early on. We have to wait for him to be successful. We have to wait for his development. He's been put in a position for us to criticize him early because we see what we see. If you're giving us production we got to be critical on, and it's minimum production, it's going to look nasty for you

because you ain't had the maximum capacity to do the shit. I've never seen that. That's all it is. It's like he's put in a position where he because you ain't had the maximum capacity to do the shit. I've never seen. That's all it is. It's like he's put in a position where he can't really outperform the expectation. What expectation? He's the 55th pick. He's LeBron James' son. You keep saying 55th pick.

That's where he got picked. No, but that ain't why he got picked. That's where he got picked. That ain't why he got picked, Gil. But that's where he got picked. You're trying to substitute 55th pick for LeBron James' son. You cannot do that. Stop doing that.

Because he's LeBron James' son first. That's a surce. Before he got picked, 55th, he was LeBron James' son, who we said, don't pick him. Before 55, he was LeBron's son. That's the point. It just reminds me of the narrative. It ain't no knock on it. You remember when they thought that they were going to pick him at the 17 pick? They're treating him like he actually got

picked there. Like they just said, fuck it, we're going to pick our son at 17. Like, he literally got picked at the end of the draft. I mean, it is weird, though. I mean, I know, still, like, I've never seen a second round pick get this much hype.

If Dalton Connect is around at 55, they pick Bronny at 17 and still get Dalton Connect at 55. But he wouldn't have been. That's what I just said. Hey, wait. Y'all remember that dude, Y'all remember that dude, Isaiah Wong?

Isaiah Wong. Miami? Now, yeah, he was last year's 50-50 pick. I'm just saying, you know what I mean? How good was he? Nothing, yeah. Was that supposed to be proving the point or something? Are we supposed to pull up second round picks at 55 now?

Yeah. Patty Mills. What was Joker? Patty Mills. What was Joker? Patty Mills spoke the GOAT 50-50. Facts. What was Joker?

No. 41. Oh, y'all laughing at his joke. Y'all can't tell what pick was Joker? 42. 41. Second round. Second round.

Now, Joker. Taco Bell commercial. What was this Joker's expectations when he got drafted at 40 something? You're a seven-footer. What was this expectation? Nobody knew none about I think they was playing Everybody has an expectation. I think they was playing against the Rockets and the announcer laughs they put anybody into the game That was the quote from an announcer when they put Joker in again. They're just putting anybody in the game. That was the quote from an announcer when they put Joker in the game. They're just putting anybody in the game. So...

Because nobody, there's no expectations. You would agree that the NBA drafted guys without expectations. The whole second round is without expectation. That's why they win in the second round. Mm. If you have expectations of being great, why the fuck are you in the second round?

They will pick you in the second round? They will pick you in the first round. Well, you can't pick everybody on your team to be great. Sometimes you got utility players who are going to be there to be dependable players. You got great players, you got dependable players. Not everybody can be great. Sometimes they're a first-round level talent, but teams are just hating. So they end up going second round, outperforming their contract and getting a provision in the CBA.

And then becoming a cover athlete. Then going on to create the best basketball. But I'm saying they actually know that this person, if you think if they knew Joker was going to be Joker, you think he's going 41? No, he's, yeah. Oh, okay. Okay, because if you know Joker's going to be Joker

and you're a general manager and you're picking other players, I'm pretty sure you should just go to the draft, look at all the teams that passed on him, and then all of them should just be fired. Right? You should just be fired. Like, if you...

He is going to be an MVP, three-time MVP, and I'm just not going to pick him. So I should be fired like if you if you he is gonna be an MVP three-time MVP And I'm just not gonna pick them so I should be fired so obviously I'm Bowie With the third and Bowie third pit at the earth sick MJ him Jack But with the third pick. Yeah, and boy. Third pick. And the earth sick. Yeah. MJ, MJ. Let the 50-fig pick be the 50-fig pick. Come in the game. Play two minutes.

Kick it off your foot. Play two minutes. Yeah, play two minutes when you're down 35. That's what we're expecting him to do, right? Hell yeah. Like every other second round pick. That's what I'm expecting. So do you feel...

How many second... Does anybody know how many second round picks in this year's draft didn't make the team? Oh, how about that one? It ain't over yet. So far, they didn't even make the...

They didn't even make the preseason team. They automatically in the G League. I think there's... I think there's right now there's four first rounders that's just straight to the G League.

Or shit, they ain't even got no G League. I don't know where they at. Overseas. Overseas, state overseas. Four first-rounders going to the G League? No, there's no more G League. They just, yeah, we good. How many players didn't even make the roster that got drafted?

There's, what, already eight or nine? Come on, man, there's no expectation on these guys, man. The fact that he got in the preseason game, he should be good. I got in the preseason game and failed. Damn. Does that count?

Even though it was passionate guilt. Robert Orr did a hard show on me. I never seen that before and failed. Failed. Just, ah, dropped the ball. He went in and made a layup. Hated him to this day. Is that where the B-stamp's from?

Facts. Robert Orr, you heard it. No, because he wasn't a professional when he did it. Like, he went and made it. Cool. He laughing at me like Come and do it again No I'm not but but that's what a second round pick is man

You get in these little minutes of the games and when when season start he might get in the game here and there Might miss ten games might go to the G League. Oh shit. There's no no no no G League There's a dude might go to the G League. Oh, shit, there's no G. Oh, no, no, there's a G League. There is a G League. Might go to the G League, play some games down there, come back up. Might sit. I mean, I give him, if he plays more than 16 actual NBA games, he did good. For a second-round pick. For a second-round pick.

I think it's a mistake for them to send him to the G League. Yeah, you can't. Yeah. You said before the G League is a graveyard. Yes, and for him, heaven forbid he go down there and not play well at all. Heaven forbid he go down there and not just play. Competition target him and all that. They will.

When you show up day one, you're making more money than everybody in the G League. On top. Combined probably. On top. The whole league. The whole league. You probably making the same amount.

The whole league. So, oh, they going at you. And them dudes, them dudes is 28, 29, 30. They got their grown man strength, and they going to be out there trying to dog walk that young boy. It's going to be worse. It's going to be dark. They going to make a point. Yeah, they going to try to.

Like in the NBA, you're not going to ISO him and go at him. You don't get no credit. You don't get no credit for that. But down there, ain't no cameras. But when you go down there, what you got to do back nothing just what do you get it back so that's what i was performance base i can tell you that i was about to say it wouldn't be on performance base, I can tell you that. That's what I was about to say. It wouldn't be you go down there and they expect you to play this way. He averaged like 22, and then like we – Oh, Bronny Highlighting.

What would bring him back? Just one more game. Would he be stuck down there? They say it's not a two-way. It sounds like if he go down there, like if you not outperforming me – Is that bad for a 19-year-old? Go down there and average five. Yeah, I don't think – Five? Five that though? Go down there and average five.

Yeah, I don't think so. Five? Five. If five. What about the guy averaging 22? Bronnie Five going to get way more. Who your daddy. That's what I'm saying.

But then it becomes that. It becomes, why y'all calling him up? Hey, man, this ain't no. Hey, we already know what it is. Why you calling him up? I just gave him 30. Hold on. This ain't no. This ain't no. And I gave him 30. Hold on. This ain't no.

This ain't no. And I gave him 24. This ain't fair. Both games. My contract is worth more than his whole team. That's what it becomes. No, it's not fair. If he goes down there, it becomes that.

He's going to wear his jersey the other way when he gets there. He has to. He's going to put the Lakers. He's got the Lakers. What is it called? It's the South Bay Lakers. South Bay is going to be the Lakers. He got a real Laker. He got a Laker one. What is it called? It's the South Bay Lakers. South Bay going to be on the back.

It's going to have James Jr. right here. Just like the one to me. James Jr. The one to me. Just like anything. It ain't fair. If he go down there, he going down there, gets a couple runs. He don't have to score nothing. He can call back up.

You can score 100 a game. You ain't going in front of him. Just like in the club, right? Everybody don't stand in that line. I don't know what the line look like. I'm going, hey, hey, hey, what's up? What's up? My $100 folded. What's up, boss man?

Go on in and get to my table. God damn it. Okay, I'm not standing. Everybody ain't in the line. He VIP. He gonna come down. He not regular folk. And then come back up. That's it. Okay, I'm not saying everybody ain't in the line. He VIP. He going to come down. He not regular folk. And then come back up. That's it. He moves freely. Yeah, no, it's just nature, but it'll be a mistake for them to send him down there for a long period of time

or for a month. That'll be a mistake. But even as a 19-year-old in his first season in the league, I'm just saying. It'll be a mistake, man. That's why I feel like... They're going to... Dog, them dudes down there, dog, he show up. I can tell you this. His team... Quincy has going down his first season in the league. I'm just saying. Big mistake, man. That's why I feel like. They going. Dog. Them dudes down there. Dog, he show up. I can tell you this.

His team. Quincy has going down there if he made the team. His teammates. For one, his teammates going to be jealous and envious of him because he's showing up making more money than them. And heaven forbid he come down there and start going into his package and they like, hey, hey, hey, easy now, yo. Easy.

Easy. Hey. Your daddy LeBron. You automatically. Yeah, hey, hey, easy now, young man. Easy, easy. Your daddy LeBron, you automatically got to do all that. They're going to be like, hey, dude, your name Bronny. Swing that big. Swing that dog. Swing that big. And then you go into the other game, dude's going to be like, hey, drop three over here, man. One's not backing him down, putting him in every pick and roll.

They're going to be trapping him on the pick and roll. Even the coach is going to be in on it. Like, yeah, They're going to be trapping him on the pick and roll. It's going to, listen. Even the coach is going to be going in on it. Like, yeah, you're going after Bronny. He's going to trap him on every pick and roll. They're going to trap him. It's going to be something like that.

We ain't going to let him get off today, y'all. Right? They're going to put a target on the boy back. And I just think it's unfair for him. Keep him, let him practice

with the guys that's going to practice him. You got your player development guys. You're paying all the former players to do that. Let him practice against them because some of them are former pros. Let them learn in that

environment. Don't send them down to that. They still got Gabe missing. They should be. Put them up against them. How many points did he score this year? You better not send that boy down to that prison ball. How many points did he score? G League prison ball, dog.

Score. Total. Points total. He's a higher Lord on how many points he scored Oh Bronny G League prison ball But average or just score score total points total if he went down there, but look he needed offense 200 points this year like in a game He ain't so you can't do cuz you don't know how many games ago place. I know taking under on it Yeah, I gotta take I'm gonna take it on don't know you don't know how many games if and when he might get in. The black Suburbans. But even getting in, do you put Bronny in as a guy

that's going to facilitate being the star guy? Star? What do you mean star? He needs to be the star. Well, if he's going down now. That's what I'm saying. If he's going down now,

you're trying to put him in. Fortunately, the situation that they're going to throw him in. They have to. How is he going to respond to that? He ain't never done that. He ain't got enough experience. No, that's what I've been saying this whole time.

So he ain't played enough games to do anything. To even go down there and try to be that. What G League player usually is the star player? The guy that they have signed down. The guy that got the guarantee and contract. So KJ and Kevin Porter, when they went to Houston, that's their first year, KJ rookie year, they went down to the G League for maybe a month, if that. Every time.

KJ went down and he had a few 30-point games, and Kevin Porter was down there firing that thing every single time. Right? And they came back in the month, and they was in the rotation, right? It was used for that. They knew what they was going down there for. They was running the same plays that the main team was running, so they was getting acclimated to the plays.

I'm sorry. If I'm in the G League, you ain't coming down here just going to be taking 30 shots. Bro, that's what we're saying the whole time. They're going to be off him with that. They'll be like, yo, Bronny down here? Oh, he's definitely going to shoot 25. He's definitely shooting 25. That's automatic. There's no game Bronny's ever played where he

took 25. No, I'm saying to give him the green light to do it. If he did it, he's not going to do that. Most situations when a guy comes down, so let's say if a guy was on the two-way, right? So let's say if a guy was on the two-way. Most of the time, when a guy goes down, he is looked at as the guy. The main

guy. He's, you know, big, small, whatever. Whatever star player you want to name for his team in the league. When they go down to the G League, he looked at it as that guy. And they notify everybody in the front. Everybody knows. This is what it's for. We need him to get looks.

We need him to get reps. We need him to do this, that. We need to get his ass back up there. Yeah, get his ass back up there. He takes ten shots in a game. He's gone. I did, too. I went down there.

You fucking up the whole vibe down here. If he come down and take 10 shots a night, people are going to be like, damn, he got to get off the ball. For sure. He take 10 shots, he's bald. The thing is, people haven't seen him

do it because he hasn't had enough games and enough experience to do that. Give him the ball and let him work. He's just an unselfish kid. He's a good basketball player. His high school teams, he was stacked. Yep. He wasn't a man on his high school teams.

He had guys that was, he had Desire Williams, Brandon Boston, Amari Bailey. Bailey. So it was, so he had to share that. Mm-hmm. And you go to college, and then your time gets interrupted. Yep. But the health thing, you go to the summer league,

you don't play well, but you're out there, and still you haven't had enough experience to go down there and to be like, I'm going to take the 10 to 15 shot tonight. But ain't that a place where he can learn it? At least for the first two, three times. Let's say he do five games down there. The first three games, he says, Bronny, look, we need you to shoot 12 a game.

No, no, no, no, no. I hear you. Just to get comfortable. You don't pass the ball. You don't be a passer for 20 years of your life, and then all of a sudden, you think you about to just turn into a motherfucker. He's a play... A scorer.

That's not how that works. You know how many times I've told... Listen, dog, I can show you the message right now. I sent KJ the other day. The five, none of the starters played. He was out there

the other day. I sent them that, dude, you got to be more aggressive offensively. You know how many times I've told him that? Dude, you know how many times I've told KJ,

you think he's done it? Nope. Because he's a play, he plays the right way no matter who he's out there with. He don't even know what that means. He don't know what it means. Like, what do you mean?

He ain't going to pull up. Like, he had an opportunity. It was a pump fake one-drip. He should have shot it. I text him during the game, man, that's a one-drip pull-up. You got to shoot that. Going into halftime, say you put the teammate in a bad spot. You got to shoot that.

But no matter how many times I've said it to him, going into year five now, the first four years he's heard it, you got to be more assertive in your offense game. Listen, if there's ten possessions, I ain't saying shoot it eight times. I need you to shoot 50-50. Get it up. It's still going to be three. He's going to dribble handoff seven times,

and he's going to be aggressive three. It's just what it is. It ain't my game, Pop. It ain't my game. And I got to respect that. It ain't my game. It ain't my game. And I got to respect that. It ain't my game. So, but for Bronny, it's the same thing. He's just been, he's been blessed to play with good players,

so he's had to tone that part of his game. He's never had to be that. Except for when he's working out, where you can actually see. You can see it. You be like, damn, Bronny, why don't you use this shit in the game? And he's like, I just don't like playing like that. It's just not his thing. He's incapable.

Yeah. Like, skill set, yeah, but he's incapable of being in the game. And it's like, I just don't like playing like that. It's just not his time. It's incapable. Yeah. Like, skill set, yeah, but he's incapable of being in that moment. Like, I tell KJ all the time,

you're never going to know if you're hot. Yeah, if you don't shoot it. You're never going to know if you're on fire because you make one, a three,

you might shoot the next one. If you miss it, you're not going to shoot another. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

But those are the developments. But see, that's the development at the middle school, high school level where that is about, that's about selfishness. Yeah. Right?

When you're in middle school and high school, it ain't about championship. It's about selfishness because this is going to dictate what you are later. Right? So if you're on these stacked teams and you're averaging, you know,

six shots and you're passing, making the right plays. Yeah, you don't know who the fuck you are. What do you think growing up? You're not going to turn into a 30-point scorer. Yeah, facts. I can't dial you up if you've never been dialed up. I can dial you down. Say, oh yeah, we got a bunch of stars on here. You've been taking 30 shots. We need to dial that down to 15. If you've been taking five shots the rest of your whole life, I can't say, hey man, I need you to take 30.

You've never had it in you. You just, the stars, the stars are there. You passing it. And then the bench players coming in, you become the vet. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, come on, come on, come on. That's exactly how you play.

You become one of those. Y'all niggas know a little something. Yeah, you become the ultra passer. I love this. Almost, almost. Update me. He missed that. No, the chat don't miss. No, keep going.

The chat don't miss. That's the thing, man. It's one of those things where even if you put him down there, he has a better chance of leading the team in assists and steals versus shot attempts and scoring. That's not going to be a stain.

Facts. But is that good enough for the legacy? He's going to be a defender. That's the narrative. It's his legacy. That's the narrative. That's why everybody pushing the criticism so tough because of that. It's his legacy.

Is LeBron James Jr. being a role player good enough for the legacy? That's his legacy. I understand that. I'm speaking from the that. He made it. I'm speaking from the outside. He made it. I'm speaking from the people like, hey, man, is that actually good enough? Yeah. But you know people are haters.

It's his legacy. He made it to the league. Second round? Yeah. My son was the 52nd pick. LeBron James? He got cried like a baby. Junior. What does LeBron James?

He's not as big as LeBron. LeBron James' legacy is LeBron James' legacy. We know how people think, and we know that that's the form. The expectation is, you're his son. You're supposed to be that guy. No, you're not. Why? No, that's a narrative that people want to put on that can't be.

You want to put that on him because it's a negative. It's an unfair narrative. It's a jealousy narrative, and it's a narrative that we got to stop doing. With criticism attached. Let me ask you this. No, that's that shit we do with like people so let me actually so what father-son Combination that's played in the league that play like they dad has been dead data skill set this as far as like either You're gonna be worse or better. I'm so got the courage that shoot. Yeah, but they better

I got the shooter, but he shoot it better than Dale and play better than play better It was just a pure shooter woman was so this the Tim Hardaway's don't look alike He was a Yeah, he's an athlete is that he They play defense to say oh both of them what was the one was half and half both of a little GP athletic Better defense than Andy athlete Danny Athletic is hell. Probably better at defense than G.P. And he's an athlete. And he's crazy.

And he's crazy. His daddy never was. The Masons, the Glenn Robinsons, none of them. I got Big Gary fucked up. What happened? Athlete? No, we said athlete. The son of better athlete. Oh, no, no.

Athlete. The son of better athlete. No, no, yeah. Oh, okay, yeah, that, no. He got the defense. Oh, yeah, no, I thought you were going to say he played better defense than his dad. He do. Rashad, he say that. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, that, no. He got the defense. Oh, yeah, no, I thought you said he played better defense than his dad. He do. Rashad, he said that.

Oh, I don't know about that one. Yeah, for sure. I mean, they both played. I mean, he's definitely athletic. Big Jerry? You add athleticism to Gary Payton, bro. That's fine, but Gary Payton? Did you hear what I said?

Add athleticism to Gary Payton. 94 feet, and I'm going to come down and do it. And I'm going to come down and score, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're different defensive players. They play different. They play do They're defenders, but they play different defensive honor I'm just I would say this GP because these dudes got that thing on the string now and he's on it and he's on it So they got more wiggle and stuff now than they had when big GP was playing

On God's fair, right? That's fair. He was able to put this on you and guide you where you wanted him to go. He still was a hell of a defender. Get his hands on the line. But then you got point guards back there. You got to do this the whole time. Big GP going up there to go get that thing off his glass. Andy.

Off his glass. He going to go with that. Give me that. They're both different, though. What you talking about? But he's able to guard guys that got this. Get that shit out of here. So, but.

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We just getting started. We got hundreds of more episodes to go this year. But we're going to go back to Ant-Man real quick. So after drawing the ire of old heads, including Magic Johnson, for saying Michael Jordan was the only skilled player in his heyday, Anthony Edwards has once again decided to stir the pot. So during a Zoom interview with fellow Georgia native Chris Tucker for Interview Magazine, Tucker asked Ant if he liked the way Kobe and Jordan

went at their teammates from a leadership standpoint, and Ant had this response. He said, I can agree to disagree because in today's game, everybody's different. You can't talk to everybody the same. You got to talk to players differently. Certain players can take it. I talked to some of my teammates like, hey, get your shit together. But some players, you got to talk to them on the side.

You can't really cuss them out in front of everybody. You just got to know how to do it the first things first before we get into this For a player he can't cuss out in front of everybody is talking about go bear Might not be okay Might be somebody else. I mean, you know, it's just called know your personnel. I mean, that's all I mean KYP KYP But he was complaining about how Mike and Kobe talked. Just that leadership style. Yeah, but... Going at guys, you know, criticizing teams.

I mean, listen, if you want to win in the NBA, you're going to have to get down and dirty. You can't just come in there soft. I get you got to know your personnel, but those guys, if you want to be a killer on that level, you're going to have to talk a little bit, you know? Like, if you can't... We in the battle right no his leadership is different like what was magic johnson's

leadership did he cuss people out maybe yeah maybe yeah we don't know yeah he did was steph curry was he cussed people out yeah his personality more like that i'm pretty sure yokich ain't saying nothing to nobody right yannisnis don't have to. So Steph never had to because he had Draven on, right? I mean, what I'm saying is. I'm sure Giannis has. Everybody's style is your. Your team is yours. He lead by example.

So you don't think when they have a conversation, like team, he don't say nothing now? No. Giannis. It's not his personality. Giannis. He might say, guys, we need to play harder. Guys, we need to do these things. You playing like bitches.

Right? I don't think he's challenging guys individually. Yogesh, I know. They say Yogesh didn't say nothing. Yeah, he's not challenging guys individually like those other guys did. Like he's speaking of. See, like we spoke yesterday. I just, I'm a firm believer, man.

When it comes to sports, put your feelings in your pocket. When we're in the locker room or when we're on the bench or when we're in comes to sports, put your feelings in your pocket. When we're in the locker room or when we're on the bench or when we're in these trenches together, put your feelings in your pocket because winning or losing don't care about your feelings. Okay. Shut up. So you agree with the sentiment that leadership can be one way for everybody?

No. Yeah. As far as like he's saying trying to cater to certain issues. Absolutely. No. One more. $50.

You didn't get the full one out. You didn't get the full one out. No, it's $100. As far as like, I've done a bunch of halves. As far as like, trying to cater to certain guys. I know.

It's like, I believe, I believe like it's, I didn't come up that way. It's full. It's full for everybody. Like, this is is like you said lead by example

if I'm leading by example and I'm I have an expectation for my teammates to be professional where's the need for leadership if everybody comes in

professional there's only direction at that time so it's direct so I play for Bob Huggins I can only speak on my situation I play for Bob Huggins

and it wasn't asked it wasn't it wasn't axed. It wasn't, I'm going to cater to you, you, you, you. No, there was none of that. So, if you're going to do it this way or you're not going to play. That's where I could, that's where, I know in the NBA it's not, you can't approach everybody that way. But I can challenge you to do your job. Right, we're getting paid to do a job.

I can challenge you individually in a way to do your job. Mike, we're getting paid to do a job. I can challenge you individually in a way to do your job. It's not degrading you. It's not talking bad. I'm going to challenge you to do your job. And that's what Mike did. That's what Kobe did. I challenge you to be your best. I'm going to be my best in order for you to get the best out of you.

This is what I know. So if I'm leading here, if I'm doing it this way, if to get the best out of you this is what I know so if I'm leading here if I'm doing it this way if you get the bet you of course I'm I'm superior his skills him Michael Jordan right his skill set everything is scoring was superior to his teammates we weren't expecting them to be Michael Jordan I tell everybody you tap your ability you get as good as you gonna get and working as hard as you gonna get and we can bring this thing together and be successful. Like Kobe said, we told somebody, well, why would I pass

you the ball? That's all the way you work, right? So you think the guy was working. So that's a good leader? Yes. Yeah. I'm like, watch out. You said it too, Gil. No, what I'm saying is if I have a team, 15 players, and as the leader, I have this hard stance of if you can't work, you don't play.

Or if you're not helping us. And I got seven of us. You're not helping us. Okay, cool. I got seven. Seven what? Players. Seven players that's following.

And the other eight ain't following. Mm-hmm. How is that a. Players that's following. And the other eight ain't following. Mm-hmm. That's, how's that a good leader? Eight people you can't, you can't talk to eight people to get them on the same page. Well in order to, because you gotta learn from the people that's doing it the right way that's playing. But what I'm saying, there's eight people you can't, you don't know how to talk to,

to make it a full 15. Well who's leading the other eight? Who's the other leader? That's the question. Now, that's the problem. So you're not a leader. If I'm the star and I got seven followers, that means the other eight. I'm supposed to be able to get everyone.

Yeah. Everyone. So if there's no child left behind, why wait? But if there's no child left behind, right? But it might take some longer to buy in. Right. But in order for you to get on this 94-50, you go buy in.

We going this way. But that's... If eight go this way, that means y'all, somebody leading y'all to go that way. But that's... A dictator's not a leader. Well, hey, call it what you want. How is it a dictator? If we going this way and you go that way, that means you decided to go that way.

This is a dictatorship. You're going to play hard and you're going to do it my way. I'm not asking you. But that doesn't consider a great leader. Why not? Because if I need to talk to you a certain way, if I need to. But I'm saying, if I can talk to you. If I can talk to you.

It comes with results. If I can talk to you grimy, and you're going to play hard, cool. If I talk to him grimy, and I lose him, that's my. I need to talk to him in a way where he performs at the same level as you. But are we winning though? Let me ask you this. That's the key thing. Are we winning? Are we winning? I'm trying to take this in a different direction but it's still what we're

talking about in the sport. In the sense of talking to people a certain way and getting best results, right? Let me ask you this. When they lining up, when they go to boot camp for the Marines or whatever, you think they picking and choosing how they speaking to you? No.

Because you got to be on the same accord. We got to be lined up together. And if you're not, then somebody going to die. You have to do your job. I don't have time to worry about if your feelings get hurt when I tell you to get in this damn dirt. And do them fucking pushups. I don't have time to think about that.

Because I'm trying to lead this group. But that's not the same. I get to say I want you, I don't want you. You can't do that on the team. In the Army, you can fail and you don't have to be on this team anymore. So whatever I say, this is

what we're going to do. On the team, it's the message. But what I'm saying is what we're going to do. But you listen. But still, the message is the message. But what I'm saying is I don't have to. But the message don't change. I don't need the weak link. I can keep getting rid of the weak link. But the message doesn't change. They're not worried about your feelings.

But on your team, you have a weak link. So if you don't know how to talk to the weak link to make him feel a part of this team, how can you call yourself a real leader? Because if you want to play, you buy in. And why? We go get somebody yeah, but we're gonna keep the same momentum and everything you don't want to all right Yes, I want to go that way that got nothing to do with leadership

That guy do it pride as somebody does actually that's if we went in but but in the league I've been with different personalities dealing with a bunch of kids now. There's again. That's good That's still they still on n that's still on the nipple. It's just on the funnel. Yeah. That's all. No, that's for sure. That's what we're dealing with.

For sure. These days, right? For sure. It's a lot of babying. It's a lot of this going on. It ain't, in my opinion, it ain't enough tough love going on with sports. Facts. Everybody's being catered to and slapped on the ass here.

You're doing a good job, young man. Got it. Because sometimes you might need to tell someone. No, I'm not going to tell you. Why would I? What, you want me to tell you you're doing a good job? No, you're not doing a good job. You suck today.

Why would I? You want me to tell you you're doing a good job? Yes, K. No, I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. But sometimes smoke. Piss down your back and tell you it's raining. No, no, no. Sometimes I need to tell you. If I need him to run through the wall, run through the wall.

I can tell you, run through that motherfucking wall, and you are strong enough mentally to do it. Cool. But if I need him to run through the wall and talking to him like that might not help. Hey, you know what? For the betterment of the team, I might need you to go in there at a nice little speed

to go through this wall, and the way it registered him, he might do it. Oh, how about this? Hey, you know what? a nice little speed to go through this wall and the way it register him He might do it. Oh, how about this? Hey, you know what? You don't want to run through the wall. Hey, Josiah I need you to show him how to run Run through them run through the wall Now Josiah just ran through the wall You know what I'm gonna do a Josiah you now starting in front of Gil and I'm gonna be like why am I running through? What you what you need to do what Josiah do.

There's a teacher in school, right? There's a classroom. There's a teacher. And then you have A students and then you have F students, right? Are the F students F's because they're dumb? Or they didn't know how to process the information that was given? The F students are in the back

laughing and joking. They don't pay attention. They don't laughing and joking. We don't know where they are. And they're not paying attention. They don't do their homework. They don't read. But is it possible they could be smarter than the A students? Could be. If you approach them.

So how do you get that? How do you get the A out of the student that's in the front row? No. Get them out the back? So you adjust it. You sit in the back. So you adjust it? No. I keep giving you F.

So you learn. So you learn. You don't. Now you're 17 and you're sitting in the back. So you're adjusting? No, I keep giving you F. So you learn. Until you learn. You don't, you, now you 17 and you're still in the A grade. You're still in the A grade. You're still in the A grade. You're 17, you're in the A grade. Man, how are we playing? Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

We all play this sport. We know there's visual learners. Yep. Okay. And there's people you can talk to. Okay. Sometimes the visual, yo, get, bring. That's not what you're talking about.

It is. No. Because if you don't know how to, if you don't know how to speak to him to get him to perform... We're not talking about learning. We're not talking about teaching and coaching. We're not talking about teaching. We're talking about leadership and following the leader. And getting you to play hard.

I'm trying to wrap you up. I'm trying to get the best out of you. Come on, bro. You're talking about, nah, I'm going to go over here. I don't like the way you're talking to me. That's sensitive emotional stuff. Yeah. That's emotional shit.

Put your feelings in your pocket. That's exactly what he's saying. Because winning and losing don't care. You don't like the way you talking to me that's sensitive emotional stuff I see most exactly what he's saying I'm talking to you yeah I don't need you to talk to tone police like a trainer I mean people gonna train you got the trigger one more one more that's this listen what you're asking for I don't want my household I don't need you to write I don't need you to I'm a type of person I don't need you to ramp me up shut up but what you let's shut up just keep the count I'm gonna do me I don't need you to ramp me up. Shut up. But what you... Shut up. Just keep the count. I'm going to do me. I don't need you.

Come on. One more. One more. I don't need you. Shut the fuck up right now. I mean, but that might be their personality, though. It's a personality. On a team, what you're saying right now, you would be the guy that's like, I don't need

all that leadership shit from you. No, I don't need... Like, I know I can talk to Andre Blotch a certain way. I couldn't talk to Nick Young a certain way. I can talk to Karan, I can cuss at him. Might not be able to say none to this person. So I gotta be able to know how to

talk so they're all playing at a 100% level. Well, see, that's the problem. They seeing the inconsistency. See, that's the problem for me. See, that's the problem for me, too. Because guess what we are? And you come at me. Because guess what? Everybody that you name, guess what?

They're getting a paycheck. They're professional. You ain't babysitting them. What you're speaking of is the way that you have to parent. Facts. Right? Yeah, that's how you date. I can't talk to KJ crazy as shit.

I can't talk to Cameron that way. I can't talk to Sierra that way. I can't talk to KJ. So if you was coaching't talk to Cameron that way. I can't talk to Sierra that way. I can't talk to KJ. So if you was coaching them all on the same team, you're going to. But I'm not. So the way you talk to KJ, you would lose the other four. No, I can talk to him a certain way to get the best out of him. As a parent.

As a parent. I'm talking about as a coach. I won't coach my. I've never coached my kids for that reason. You have to coach him now. He wouldn't parent him. It's not a coach. I won't coach my... I've never coached my kids for that reason. You have to coach them now. He wouldn't parent him. It's not a coach then. You know they're all different.

I will coach my kids different than I parent my kids, Gil. What I'm saying is if you have to coach them... If I'm coaching my kids, I don't care about... Cameron, did I ever care about your feelings when you came to basketball? For the crimes and... What is it? Suck it up. Dude.

You'll try again tomorrow. I believe you. Dude, I don't care. Between those lines, it's war. And we get afterwards, am I your dad? Yeah. So this is what I'm saying. I'm not coaching my kids the way I'm parenting my kids. I don't care about his feelings during basketball.

Yeah. I don't care. It ain't about his feelings. Yes, it is. No, it ain't. It's about yours. Yes, ain't about his feelings. Yes, it is. No, it ain't. It's about yours. Yes, it's about his feelings. You can't call yourself a leader if you can't adapt to all of the elements.

Why would I adapt if I'm trying to get the best out of everybody? And we're all doing the same thing, Gil. You have to be able to. We're all not doing different things. We're all in unison. That's why the leadership has to run. That's the problem. We're all doing different things on the court.

Are we trying to accomplish one goal? One goal. One goal is to win. But we're all doing different things. One goal is to win. We all have different responsibilities. To go to the one goal. To the one goal.

Boom. That's all that matters. That goal is very hostile to him. I don't need you to baby me for me to do my job. Maybe I don't need you to baby me. I don't need you to talk soft to me. I'm a grown-ass man. That's need you to talk soft to me. Yeah. I'm a grown-ass man.

That's you. That's you. Put some fucking bass in your voice. Maybe somebody else I need to talk to him that way... What did I say about... ...to get him to the same goal? What did I say... Hold on.

What did I say about the Monty Williams situation on this very couch? Yeah, yeah, I'm not that shit. Uh-huh. You got a curse at him? You got a curse at him. They got to understand four-letter words. These are millionaires.

Right? Millionaires. You can't talk to them... We're not babying these dudes. Hey, don't... You can't talk to them a certain way. They lost 27 straight games. And you soft-shoeing

with these dudes. And you can't do that, man. Stepping around on it. Right? You can't. So right next time. I said you can't. No, it hasn't worked.

It hasn't. Steve Kerr might have been the only one That maybe took that approach because he's mom it might That's been really really soon. I guarantee feel was cussing people out I seen Draymond green cuz everybody out never seen him cuz I'll Steph because he understood Steph is Different than the rest of them, you know what that difference is That leader is better understood Steph is different than the rest of them. You know what that difference is? So that leader, if he's the leader, that leader talked to all of them different to get the best out of all of them.

Who J-Mon talked to different? I'm sure he talked to Steph the same way he talked to everybody else. Absolutely. There's no off switch with him. Ain't no off switch. I'm sure in locker room, I'm sure he fucked everybody else. Absolutely. There's no off switch with him. Ain't no off switch. I'm sure in locker room, I'm sure he called Steph out. So now we have to have seen it for it to happen. That's not necessary.

That's not the bullshit, Phil. Yeah, he doing that, man. He can't do that. So now we have to see it for it to happen. Facts! We know it happened. Bro, they been in too many battles not to. We know Dre's text.

Because we don't know if Jordan talked to all of his teammates the same way or Kobe We know it. We know it. Bro, they've been in too many battles not to. We know Dre's text. We don't know if Jordan talked to all of his teammates the same way or Kobe. What has been the narrative, Gil? There's evidence Michael Jordan talked to his teammates like that. And there's evidence Kobe talked to his teammates like that. And there's evidence that Dre talked to his teammates like that. There's evidence they talked to all of them. What teammates? What teammates?

He didn't talk to KD Crazy? He wasn't talking to Charles Oakley like that. I said Steph and Clayton. Just because we haven't seen it. I'm sure. Just because we haven't seen it hasn't happened. Yeah, what'd you just say? I'm sure Dre probably said, yo, Steph passed that one. Oh, man, like, I didn't get all of it.

He had to step in between them a couple times. So he can go see him and hit him a couple times. Hold on. How long has Draymond Green and Curry been playing? Eight years. Eight years. So you don't think he's cursed him out? How many games have we watched him curse out Steph Curry?

So, like I said, just because we haven't seen it, who would be that dumb to just curse your teammate out? Have you watched every single one of their games since they've been in the league? They've been together 12 seasons. Hold on. Have you watched every single one of their games? No. Have you watched every single one of their practices?

No. Have you watched every single one of their shoot-arounds? No. Have you watched every single one of their games? No. Have you watched every single one of their practices? No. Have you watched every single one of their shoot-arounds? No. Have you watched every single one of their film sessions? No. So how do you know? Did we see him? How do you know?

Did he come stop KD? How do you know? We only seen it one time. We seen it one time. That's all we needed. Have we seen it one time or anybody else? No. So just because we haven't seen it hasn't happened.

But he had a reason to do it that time. So we can assume it hasn't happened because we haven't seen it. Yes. If we can assume it does, when we do see it, we've seen some video. It could be in the game. I'm sure he has got it

with other players. We've seen some video. For sure. For sure he's done that. Hey, Steph, get off the ball. For sure he's done that. You said he did. I'm saying he didn't.

I believe he has. I believe he didn't. They've been in too many big games and too many battles. I believe he did. We didn't see it. We didn't so I believe yes Twelve years What I'm saying is we Watch this man choke people punch people and you think us people out on national TV You know we haven't seen it in step or close just cuz we are sitting all set him different just cuz we ain't seen it in Steph or Clay. Just because we ain't seen it didn't happen. Because he talks to them different. Just because we ain't seen it didn't happen.

Stop it, Gil. The KDs don't blow up because Draymond was in the wrong. Because he was telling us, he shot the shot. The KD was telling us to pass. The KD was lying. Facts. So there's not been one scenario where Draymond wanted Clay or Steph to pass the ball. That we've seen.

And he didn't naturally just say anything. Let me ask a question. So like I said, have you watched all their games, all their practice, all their shooting? So, have you watched any of them? No. So, therefore, you're naive, so you don't know what you're talking about. No, no, he knows this, though.

Have you seen any of Kobe's all his practices games? We can do the same thing from the other way. God damn, we can do it the other way on Michael Jordan and Kobe. So, how do we know? They just talk to people nice. Words out of their teammates' mouth. What did Jordan Poole say about being Draymond Gray? Well, what did Jordan say?

You don't like the way I leave. What was that T-shirt I wore? Who's in the backpack? But did he? Who's in the back? Draymond is in Steph Curry's Gucci backpack. Draymond is. I'm asking for the same person.

Are you going to talk crazy to the nigga? Are you going to talk or add it to the list? Right? We can say Michael Jordan cussed out the people we've seen him, but then he cussed out everybody. I guarantee you that. One thing I know about Draymond Green, from what I've seen about Draymond Green,

there's no off switch with his leadership. That's crazy. From what I've seen, from what I've seen, just because we ain't seen it, it didn't happen. switch with his leadership. That's crazy. I believe that. That's crazy. I'm going to take it. We ain't seen it in one game. What I've seen, just because we ain't seen it, it didn't happen. Right? I believe it.

Huh? It's isolated. For everybody. No, I'm sure it's other times. We just don't. We ain't going back to the games. They have gotten into it plenty of times. For sure.

They've been in too many battles. Yes. They've lost, like, come on, bro. You're definitely. Or we can just see, he probably knows how to talk to those guys. No, not him. Not him. When you talk basketball,

that's knowing how to talk to a guy. Not him. When you correct a guy in basketball, that's talking to him. I could talk to you because you know you messed up. You messed up. I'm accountable. I messed up. I hear you, bro. You know what? You're right. You're right. You got a right to correct me if we're playing team ball. That's a no-brainer.

But again, I can talk to you a certain way. I can talk to you a certain way. I can talk to him a certain way. You can't talk to everybody the same way and expect the same result. I'm sorry. If you're saying someone is soft in here and you have the same... What would happen if we talked to James Harden reckless? Is James Harden still going to be James Harden?

Who he got respect for depends on who he got respect for. Now, if James Harden is not being James Harden and he's being this okay dude, then you're not a leader getting the best out of him. Can a leadership come from coach or player that we're speaking of? What was the leadership when Russell averaged a triple-double in Washington?

What was the leadership in Lakers? Did they get a triple-double out of him? He just averaged one a few months before. What are you saying, that LeBron is not a good leader? What I'm saying is, was the leadership getting a triple-double out of him? Did LeBron get a triple-double out of him? Yeah, let me ask you a question. No, right?

No. He was all fucked up mentally, right? They wasn't talking to him. His leader wasn't talking to him. To get the best results out of him. So what franchise, let me ask you a question. Who was the leader for the Lakers? Football has the most Super Bowls.

Say it again, Brandon. Don't say it under your breath. Who has the most Super Bowls? I think New England's up there, right? New England? Okay. I think they're up there, right? New England? Okay. I think they're up there, right? The Patriots?

If I'm not mistaken. They had the same head coach through all of them. Okay. Do you think he deviated? I don't know. Hell no. No. Yes. Did you talk to Brady the same way you talked to the other players?

Yes. No. Bullshit. Yes. Huh? Yes. And Tom said it. And Tom has said it. He didn't? Yes. And Tom said it. And Tom has said it.

He didn't deviate. Tom has said it. He said Bill never treated me different. He had to. Wait a minute. Hold on. Bill never treated me different. So you think Bill never treated me different?

Wait, wait, wait. You think Bill Belichick deviated the way he coached? No, I didn't say that. Talk to the players? Deviate. I'm not treating Tom Brady any different than anybody else. It's the same thing, Gil. So you're saying that

the way he led his team didn't deviate. Talk to the players. Do your fucking job. You think he talked to Antonio Brown the same way he talked to Josh Gordon? You think he talked to him the same way he talked

to Brady? Or he talked to them a way that they can function? Yes. Randy Moss can say the same thing. Hey, man, Bill didn't change nothing. I thought he was going to treat me special. I thought Bill was going to treat me special. He didn't treat me nowhere close.

We don't know. That's what Randy Moss said when he got to New England. I'm pretty sure that T.O. too. T.O. too. T.O. got there. He's like, man, I thought I was going to be special, but nah. Special too. He's the word out of these people's mouth. To the coach. Me and the coach, we've had a special bond. No, ain't no special bond. He said, you've been treated like everybody else. Go do your job and get out of my face. Get out of my face. And run that route. No, I'm not sending you no cookies. My wife ain't baking nothing for you. Did they win? Did they win? Did they win? Who?

Did they win with us? With Randy Lawson and T.O.? They know. They won with other people that showed up and did what the fuck he said to do. Exactly. Wes Welkers and Julian Edelman. He got six of them, right? Trust me.

That's what it is. We're not deviating. Not deviating. The way I coach and the way I lead, I'm not deviating. We don't know. Yes. We definitely know. We know. We definitely know.

But like I said, because it didn't happen, because we didn't see it, it didn't happen, in your opinion. Yeah. No, if you can say it happened for that and we didn't see it, then we should be able to do the other thing. We should be able to go 50-50 on this, right? So let me ask you a question. Uh-huh.

Things throughout history, right, that's in history books and shit like that, have you seen them? Seen what? The things that's listed in history books and shit. That you would deem

to be true and factual. Have you seen them? You've never seen happen. So did that mean they didn't happen? Don't let me ask it. No, no. So that mean they didn't happen?

You really think I care? I think about Cowboys and Indians? I'm not talking about them. Native Americans. So you're going to go that far back? So that's cool. So that means it didn't happen? You really think I care? I think about cowboys and Indians? I'm not talking about them. Native Americans. So you're going to go that far back? So that's cool. So that never happened? I don't know.

I mean, I watched the movie. Certain things never happen because you didn't see it? Because we didn't see it with our own eyes. You're arguing that it did. I'm arguing that it didn't. But your argument is the same as mine, so it should be 50-50. How? Because you said that

If you didn't see it, but you believe it, why can I not see it also and not believe it? Because there's proof. There's fucking proof, Dio. There's proof in what you're talking about, my guy. You're just saying that Show me the proof. No, no, show me the proof. You're just saying that you weren't there. You're saying he wasn't there and he didn't see it. Okay, how about he can

Show me the proof that Draymond yelled at Steph Curry and Klay. Well, I asked this man to hit his friend up and ask him. I said show me the proof. No, no, no. I think this guy can find something. I think this guy can find something. Show me the proof. I'm sure they've gotten into it.

I'm sure. I'm sure. Gil. I'm sure, too. Gil. We're both sure. So the words out of Gil. So I asked him to deal so we're both sure so the words are so good to Andre

He just hit so I had some good text Steph Curry says so if this man says yes, that means nothing Did you see it? Yeah Am I not you're moving to go right now, but you're assuming That's out all 13 Sure us to believe we need to talk to all 13. I'm going to the source. You're going to the source.

Technically. I'm going to the source. Then you got to call Clay. Because he's in there too. We said Steph. He was one. I said Clay too. So now you want to move to Goldport.

So now you want to call Looney. You want to call Looney. You want to call JaVale McGee. Who you want to call? You want to call Sean Livenston. You want to call Sean Livenston. You want to call Andre Goddard. You want to call Looney? You want to call Looney? You want to call JaVale McGee? Who you want to call? Who else? Sean Livenston? You want to call Sean Livenston? You want to call Andre Goddard? You want to call everybody?

What was my initial thing? You have to talk to everybody different. So that means if you have to. You think you talk Steph that way? If you have 13 players on the team, you are saying all 13 got to be talking. Everybody got to get a cut step. That means if one didn't, then I win. Everybody get a cut step.

If one didn't what? If one didn't get talked to that way, I win. Hey, one thing I know. Because he said all 13 got to be talked to the same way. I was saying Calipari didn't talk to Marcus Camby the same way that he would talk to the rest of the team. Because Marcus Camby was the star. It don't matter.

That's the way Calipari coached. And it starts with the star. It don't matter. That's the way Calipari coach. And it starts with the star. It trickles down. If I talk to the star a certain way, I don't have to change the way I talk to anybody else.

That's why they target the star. It's called the buck breaking. You buck break the main guy that's giving you an example.

Sean, I feel like that's a little thing from down there. That's how it goes. That's how it goes. A coaching situation. That's how it goes. That's how it goes. That's about the plan. That's more's a coach That's how it go That's how it go That's how it go I gotta target him That's more of a chain than Django

I just asked him I said does that leadership Come in coaching and players So now you only talking about the player I asked that question But I asked the question though though, Gideon. Did I answer it? Yes.

What did I say? You said yes. You said yes. I said what? I asked, does that leadership come from coach and player? You said yes. Coach? I mean, player.

So you... All right, go ahead. This dude over here. Yeah, we're talking about Michael Jordan. But I asked the question. But I said, as a player, you can't talk to your teammates... So therefore, I asked you a specific question. Does this leadership we speak of, can it come from coach and player?

And your answer was yes. Okay, yes. So therefore, don't go back to we just talked about the player. So do you think this is a great leader? If I have 15 players on my team or just I have a tribe of something and only four or five make it to the finish line because they listen to my voice. That is a great leader to you

because he got five to six people to the finish line because he talked. What about the rest? What makes a... I thought a great leader is supposed to be able to identify with everybody. No, he's supposed to... I'm supposed to get everybody to the finish line.

I've never seen an alpha male wolf leave people behind because they cannot keep up. He makes sure the whole... What are you talking about? You ran with wolves before? Are you talking...

What do you mean he hasn't... You ran with wolves before? Bro, how you gonna put 20 people on his back? I watched his skit. You ran with wolves before? I'm saying... A lion or anything that's in charge,

he doesn't just... He doesn't not... He just doesn't protect the strong. A male lion lead would fear. He makes sure everybody gets to the lead. No, he leaves the lead. So you think Brian's the good leader then because of the way he can protect everybody? A male lion lead would fear. Hold No, he leads me. So you think Bron is a good leader then because of the way he can talk to everybody?

Male line leader is fear. That's seriously what a good leader is? Hold on, say it again. Every leader is different. Don't nobody eat until daddy eat. So if Michael Jordan talked to everybody grimy, you think Phil did too? They want some champion. Who do you think talked to them to make them perform well with Michael Jordan?

So I got a question. Does Phil sound like he sounds like Michael Jordan though? I got a question. Right? So if he's the leader, then we can say the coach did not talk to everybody the same. Kenyon, last question, then we got to move on. Last question. Mr. Martin.

So with these people that we are speaking of that led a certain way, right, that Anthony Edwards mentioned, so you to talk about the player. With them leading that way and being that kind of a leader, how many championships they got in between them? 11. Two guys. 11. I'm just asking.

11. I don't... Oh. 11, right? Yeah. That seemed pretty fucking successful to me. But the reason why he's saying that because he's around different leaders now.

Like LeBron James and KD, they probably talk different. Was Jordan a leader or was... Man... Was Phil the leader? Uh-uh. Phil was also a leader. Michael Jordan was the leader of that team. Now, did Phil...

Phil was the leader of the team. Michael Jordan was the leader of the team. Now, how did Phil talk to Michael Jordan? Did Phil talk to Michael Jordan and say, wait, talk to Steve Kerr? No. But he got the best out of them. He needed to make sure that they were mentally prepared to play with Michael Jordan.

Because I'm pretty sure whatever championship you're going to name, I guarantee you the leader is still the same person on all of them, right? Phil Jackson? No. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach, Gil.

Ooh, we have a Mostly Fans question, so let's move on to Mostly Fans. Presented by Underdog Fantasy. Oh, you put a little extra on it, at least. We appreciate it. We are getting our money's worth. Check is in the mail. We will take it out of the N-word fund and send you a little bit over. Because it's growing. First question from the crowd.

Who was the leader on Kobe and Shaq's team when they first started playing together, when they first won their championships? Was it Shaq? Was it Kobe? Or was it Phil? My man. According to Gil, it was Phil. Who had to convince Kobe to pass the ball to Shaquille and Shaquille not to slap on Kobe?

So convincing and leading. Yeah, what's the difference? What leading it. So that's the difference. Yeah, what's the difference? Define the difference. What is the difference? Define the difference. I have to talk to you a certain way so you can pass the ball to him. I gotta, hey, hey, relax, I'll make sure he...

That's not what Phil did? No. Convince him that this is the best way to win. So do you... Convince him this is the best way to win. Then how did he talk to them? Did he talk to them all the same way? Yes. Yeah, Phil Jackson has the Zen master. Yes, everybody everybody What was that standard so so we understand all get off the ball

You got the forget off the ball Mike give shag the question I just add he wants to bingo Hey once again, what hey once again what was phil jackson's motto then run it because we know what kobe's motto was win so what was phil's model because it was the opposite of kobe's let's win so let's it wasn't the same standard it was what does that mean let's win but let's win together let's win together and how do we do that let's get off the ball you yell at him i get off And how do we do that? Get off the ball. You yell at him, I don't. Get off the ball. That's fine.

Get off the ball. Get off the ball. And then you take over the corner. He's the big fella. And then Phil did what? Phil had a conversation with Kobe. How was that conversation? I got another question.

I got another question about this leader. Big fella just came back. Whoa, hold on. I got another question about this leader that you're talking about, Phil Jackson, right? I got a question, kid. How many other talking about, Phil Jackson, right? I got a question here. How many other championships he got without Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant? The same as that.

I asked him, how many does he have? The same as them having none without him. Exactly. I mean, that's a specific question. How many does he have? How many does he have? Zero. Y'all can't move the fucking goalposts.

So my... It still doesn't change the topic. The leader that you speak of, how many championships does he have without Michael Jordan and or Kobe Bryant? Zero. So he's not the leader. So how many championships do they have without him? How many championships do they have without him?

It's the same narrative. They're the leader of the team. Are they the same players? How is the coach? Are they the same narrative. They're the same players. How he's the coach. Are they the same players that actually lead the same way? The two players we're talking about lead the same way. And they only had one coach.

That's why I'm listening. He's the coach. He's not the leader of those situations. He's the coach. He's not the leader of those situations. Those individuals are the same guy. He is the coach. He is not the leader of those situations. Because those individuals are the same guy. He is the coach. He is not the leader of those situations. So was Bob Huggins the leader of the team or were you the leader of the team?

Bob Huggins. Okay. Bob Huggins was. Because everybody deal with the fuck Bob Huggins said or you wouldn't go fucking play. Right. So therefore, simple question, simple answer. So we got another MostlyFans question from our crowd. I don't even know where I'm at with simple question, simple answer. So we got another mostly fans question from our crowd.

I don't even know where I'm at with the question, but I feel like leadership is also based off of ability and consistency because we follow people that are confident, not necessarily if they're right or wrong, but if they're confident, like it's like if we're playing ball and you hit three shots, you're automatically my leader. Like as a man, I'm like, okay, we can win. But I feel like with women, it's different. It's like if a woman hits a shot and she's on a woman team, then it's like they come up with hate or they're like, ah. But I think as

far as like leadership, it's also like ability and consistency. Like if I see somebody that's good, like we automatically follow that person. And then the other thing too, I was going to say is about greatness and being good. I think like in order to achieve greatness or be really good, you have to overcome a level of adversity. And I just think that that's what's like the separation between people that are really great and good is they've overcame a level of adversity that other people haven't, even if the other person has the ability.

That's it. So a great leader brings out the potential of... Yeah, they bring out the best by being the best. So if you're playing bad and, you know, I need you in the fourth quarter, am I going to tell you, stop shooting, sorry, son of a bitch, or am I going to say some words

that makes you feel good about yourself so later on you have the confidence to hit the shot. Hold on, whoa, whoa. Tell me something. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Who told their coach not to play the guy because they're ready to play in Washington, D.C.?

Me. Me. Thank you. Tough luck. They're ready to play. All right, you're done. And then the same person... I told the coach, then the same person with Nick

Young, I said, hey Nick, don't worry about it. I got you. You're going to hit this shot. What was the message? Because that was the beginning. Because I talked to them in a certain way and then I realized I could not talk to them like that. So now I had to come with another approach to get the best out of them. So his best

games was with me. But that's your approach. Because I got the best out of him Cuz I got the best out of them. I don't I got the best out of him Good, that's what a leader is that's and other I got they led their way and they didn't deviate and they won championship How do you know wait? My Jordan has six Kobe Bryant has five. That's a note. Doing it their way. So you said 11. That means Phil Jackson has how many?

Yes. 11. He was a coach. 11. And how many does he have? 12. He has one as a player. 12.

Man, that counts. How many teams did he coach? He only coached Mike and Kobe. So, like, he only coached Mike and Kobe. That's a smart man. Well. That's a smart man. Well, that's a smart man. So we hold him all? So all success then?

No, not all, but a majority of it. And on... Hold on. Only when it's convenient. Only when it's convenient. That man hides your point. If Phil Jackson cussed shit out your mouth, if Phil Jackson cussed...

That man gave Joe Kim Noah 70 million. Y'all better stop it. So before we go, before we go, we are celebrating the season three premiere of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. So you know we had to turn it up. We had a saxophone player.

We had a live crowd. We got one last surprise for y'all here on this couch. It's not even Gil's birthday, but we got that cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake. Surprise for y'all here on this couch. It's not even Gil's birthday. But we got that cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake. Uh-oh. Congrats on a successful season three premiere of Gil's Arena. Oh, the sparklers.

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