Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Says James Harden Has ZERO Value

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

Gil's Arena Reacts To More James Harden & 76ers Drama as Gilbert Arenas breaks down the ongoing saga between Harden and Daryl Morey and predict what the outcome will be just 1 week away from NBA tipoff. Other NBA Topics include The preseason debut for Emoni Bates and the Cleveland Cavaliers, Bam Adebayo's comments on NBA defense, and the performances of Damian Lillard and Zion Williamson in the NBA Preseason. Remember to Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get a $500 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. SUBSCRIBE:  / @gilsarena   APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ THE HOMETOWN FAVORITES https://thehometownfavorites.com/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Pre-Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 Chapters Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:07:50 Ben Simmons Chest Tattoo 0:14:51 Kuzma Says Nike Is Ruining Jerseys 0:21:15 Jazz Jumpman Shirt 0:28:59 Emoni Bates Steal Of The Draft 0:33:37 Advice To NBA Rookies 0:40:37 Bam Adebayo Says Guys Are Stat Watchers 1:13:51 James Harden No Shows 76ers Practice 1:33:07 Predicting Landing Spots For James Harden  1:53:43 Thursday Tease - Harder to Guard: Kyrie or AI? 2:08:38 Mostly Fans 2:10:59 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Gil, the ribbed jeans. They said you need to cuff your jeans. The chat's coming for you today now, Gil. No, no, no. Just some of them just have... Man, listen. Don't blame the stylists, man. I mean, not the stylists, but the people who make these jeans, man. What'd they say you need to do?

They think I'm on my Jordan. They think I'm doing my Jordan full legs. The boot cuts say they think I'm on my Jordan. They think I'm a joy. I'm doing my Jordan Fool is like They think I got the boo. I got a main why they're not these ones the ones before the ones I was about to put on Why yeah, I'm gonna get some tape and just take the bottom Little tape literally literally tape The chat is chatting. We appreciate y'all. Hey, they brutal.

Funny, though. Yeah, they funny. They mean-spirited. They mean-spirited. Yesterday, watching y'all, I was like, man. I'm like, just constant. Just one after another. And it's fast, too.

It's a war inside the chat. The chat goes hard. We appreciate y'all as always. This is gills arena presented by underdog fantasy here with the legend Gilbert arenas We got Brandon Jennings back with us repping tough crowd head to toe. Yeah Yeah, you got tough crowd shoes now. Yeah I'm assuming coming soon. We're team. They said I need to get my shoe game, right? So yeah, I mean you got like Chuck's or the white Chuck's we know yeah, I keep it simple Decision fatigue I have an extensive closet of shoes. I just don't you know keep it simple. No, I don't I'm poor And we got can you mark back here with us? Wait for underdog checks to hit the director pot.

Oh, man. Here's what we got cooking in the arena today. Bam Adebayo thinks there is too many stat watchers that don't really know what good defense is. Imani Bates was the man in high school but slipped to the second round. Did the Cavs get the steal to the draft? And James Harden was a no-show at Sixers practice today. He's allegedly in Houston working out, doing his thing. But as you know, Houston is not Philadelphia.

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Hurry up and do it. They said people are actually listening, GILL. I know. I would, too. I mean, $ it. They said people are actually listening. I know. I would too. I mean, $500 is cool. $500 is different. You're giving me $500 of your money. I mean, I can make some things work. I can make some things work on $500.

Multiple accounts. Do a little more picking. I can do a little more picking. Three picks? Three picks? $25.50 each? $3.50 See I try to go with the three but then the four or five just be calling Listen I just I do three and then I'm other two I'm guessing I just picked them two and then one more like I just one go hit

One go ahead Like, I just, one going to hit. One going to hit. They got the live, too. So, wait until halftime, see how players are performing. You can get the pickups cracking live, too, which is my new thing. Halftime, get that going. Still lose. Still lose. To be honest, I don't really know much about football like that.

So, it's like, and I just think, like, okay, quarterback and kicker. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You know, kicker, you know, yeah, you know kicker, you know Six and a half that just seems so easy So I'm up so I'm gonna start pulling up on Sunday around like 9 9 30 game. Come on at 10 We might not watch you sit there and watch When you watch every game they got to set up now you can watch four at a time and yeah Mathematically never made sense to me. I played it. So, you know, I played it like I play Madden

fourth and tears fourth and 20 Go to hell Mary is the option for reason right? It's not football That's video game. Yeah, that's video game for a list I got four three downs to score 10 or four downs to score 10 yards. I'm going with the four. It's mathematics. It's mathematics, baby.

There's some coaches, there's some people that's more aggressive than others when they come like to the but not. Like if it's fourth and one or two and you're running back averaging three yards, the hell I'm kicking the four. Well, that's because that one yard tough. Yeah. I'm saying like the Philadelphia Eagles got the best scrum thing going right now. Like they got the best shit going right now because their quarterback's strong.

He got a good, strong lower base. So he able to push the line forward when he get it. If it's fourth and one, you're not stopping them. Okay. Like they got the best shit going. Fourth and one, fourth and two, they percentage of getting it is great. The last few years, yeah, Jayler Hurts, no, he getting that thing. You got to keep them out of the mold. If it's fourth and one, they getting it.

They got to be fourth and long. We got mostly fans. We see our fans, you MFers, in the chat getting it, going hard. Already? Oh, of course. But I appreciate that dedication. They be on before the show, after the show. They form little communities. Hopefully y'all doing group meetups, hangouts, all the like.

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So who you take down to put the football jersey up? I'm finna get somebody mad. Who did I take down? Dead man's sense. It's a LeBron High School jersey though. St. Vincent, St. Mary. That jersey is crazy. Yeah, I forgot who I took down.

But I was doing something. That's a top three jersey in here. Yeah, I forgot who I took down. But I was doing something. That's a top three jersey in here. Yeah, I was doing something. I took it down just to make the jersey collection look a little bit better. You got some heat in here, dude. We already got some heat going on in the chat. User by the name of MrChocolateRobot said, I'm on parole staying low key.

We got BJ today, so apparently he's not staying low key if he's in the chat, but he's a Brandon Janik fan. He's on parole. We wish you the best. That's better than being in jail. Absolutely. More power to you. Just being in jail at home, that's all. Being in jail calling.

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One every day is good. You know, we've got to really put it in their brain. But this summer we highlighted a John Morant fan that took their love of the Grizzly Star a little too far with some body art. And now a Ben Simmons fan has entered the chat. He got he got Ben Simmons on his chest. And in exchange Ben Simmons gave him a sweaty ass towel. But he was happy about it.

So Brandon we know you have some feelings about getting another man tattooed on your chest, but what do y'all think about the Ben Simmons chest tattoo? Man, listen, fans are fans, man. It's different for a fan. It's different for a fan to me. Because a fan, I mean, he buys everything. He looks up, like, that's just... Like you're his hero.

Like, you know what I mean? You're his hero like you know what I mean is you a hero Yeah, I ran to do Vegas had my name big like mine from my Argentina or something like that Like my name like huge. Mm-hmm. I was like Like really do like you that big of a fan like what the heck you want take a picture absolutely At least I can do yeah. Yeah I watch like okay. I ain't taking no pitch with you get out my face like you got like Have you ever seen a fan with your face tattooed on their body? No, not not their face like Not that I know of that my god. I got you know chicks You know, I got the name

agent zero Get agent zero. There's agent zero. I got a zero on Agent Zero? I got Agent Zero. There's Agent Zero. Somebody got Agent Zero on there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, man, I play it, y'all. And then I got babies born, not mine, others. Like their last name was Gilbert, so they named their son Arenas. Arenas Gilbert?

Yeah, Arenas Gilbert. Yeah, so I got like okay got another kid who's uh his last name is uh his first name is arenas i'm like good luck so if you had to get a tattoo of one athlete not yourself on your body who would it be one athlete Dead or alive? Okay, when I was in high school, I would have got the penny doll. The penny doll? Yeah, that's like a logo, though.

I wanted to, like, penny got a bulldog. I wanted a bulldog, too. Like, that's dope. Yeah, yeah. Somebody might end up getting the penny doll. Now that you said that, somebody might end up with that. Yeah, with the penny doll. That's hot.

Yeah. But is it, what does it matter, like living or not? Let's say living just to make it spicier. You have to maybe see this person, and you've got their face tattooed on you. Not living. Not walking. Nobody? How about that?

That's why I asked the question. How about not living? Oh, Jack dirt. Nobody? How about that? That's why I asked the question. How about not living? Jack Johnson. Okay. Okay. I don't even know who that is. The boxer.

Boxer. Unforgivable blackness. Like, Jack Johnson was the first rebel out here. Like, it was like, when it was forbidden to look at white women, Jack Johnson was riding around the car with them. Heavyweight champ of the world, dog. Heavyweight champ. Like, yo, big old black dude, man. Like, Jack Johnson, dog.

Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, listen, dog. Gotta read the book, man. Watch the doc. Listen, man. Man, I don't know. Man man OJ Simpson in the Bronco Boy

Yeah as a tap yeah, I made a jacket a tough crowd jacket and I call it like don't play with my love I got OJ. I got OJ in the back like the cops following me nothing Classic I was following him in that thing. Ah! Damn. Classic. You learn something new every day on Gills and Riddles. I mean, a Mike Tyson back in the 90s would have been a tat. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would have been a tat. I would have got a Deion tat back in high school.

Low? We're talking about now. Yeah. Oh, now? He said now. But Deion with the jerry curl or with the- Yeah. Yeah, jerry curl. I mean, I didn't even think now. Swag Bo Jackson jerry curl or with the yeah. Yeah, I mean I even think that's right Bo Jackson

See that's the tan now that Ken Griffey pose What a swing that swings that we had my finish? Like Dennis like guys like that. I feel like rock stars like dudes who got in trouble for sure. Mm-hmm For sure. Yeah, so good. We don't know if anybody has your face tattooed on their body, but we do know at least one fan out there really dedicated to the Aging Zero movement. Oh, that's... Yeah. Number 65 on ESPN, number one in my heart.

Yeah, there we go. That's tough. Now, I'm about to get my own tattoo of my shoe. Where you going? Yeah. Yeah. I'm about to get my tat to you. Yeah.

So you know what's- Just re-released it. Yo, it's a lot of people with tough crowd tats I be seeing now. They be having the dog, like one guy in China, he got the whole dog on the side of his head just like I do. See man. That's pretty like- That's legendary.

Pretty dope. Man. Let's keep this thing moving. I'm going to have the Rashad list. Somebody're going to have Rashad listen. Somebody go and get the Rashad crown on your body. Hey, if you get the Rashad crown on your body and you send it in, we will give you $200. We might bring you on the show.

We might bring you on the show. I'll give you a thousand. We might bring you on the show. Hell yeah. You can sit right next to him. Both of y'all got the crown. We might fly you in. Like crown around his head?

Yeah. Like, yeah. $1,000 is documented. Y'all got my crown my fly you in like like crown like around his head Yeah Thousand dollars bill is documented. There's no coming back In a flight I give another I give a thousand To come do a crown around your head and I'm a fly and I'll pay for you a flight Shock shock on coming this month, we're gonna borrow. Look, I got my own tackle box. Get my goddamn money. Give me my thousand. Let's keep this thing moving.

The NBA and Nike have been OD on dropping in alternate uniforms for each team, including these city jerseys that they make every year. They're supposed to represent the stories, history, and heritage that make each franchise unique, honoring the inherent bond between court, community, and culture. But let's be real, they're just trying to get their bags up. But Kyle Kuzma isn't really rolling. So after a photo of the Clippers, new city jerseys dropped, or alleged city jerseys. Kuz, who's repped by Puma, so we got to mention that, took to Twitter to voice his displeasure. He said, Nike is ruining the nostalgia of jerseys every year it's a new jersey and what gets

lost is brand identity so do you agree or disagree with what cool this thing I mean those are just that like you were does what two four or five times a year don't look like some Wizards Jersey let me just yeah I mean you don't wear you know yeah but the alternate jerseys like y'all alternate jerseys was what the gold right that go you had gold yeah we had gold one year Zephyrs one year Yeah, but the alternate jerseys, like y'all alternate jerseys was what, the gold, right? That gold. Yeah, we had gold one year, Zephyrs one year, Bullets one year. Yeah, so it was like, it was traditional.

These like, Clippers ain't never had that in their history of like- Well, because they got different designers. They got guys like yourself in there making jerseys. Makes a tough crowd. They got guys that's fashion forward that's in there designing jerseys. I mean tough crowd. They got guys that's fashion forward that's in there designing jerseys now. I mean, whoever did that, I mean, whoever did that,

that was simple. Just black. I'm saying they got the Virgils and the Brandon Jennings in there designing jerseys. Yeah, but I wouldn't, I don't know.

I mean, I think the jerseys If you was in there, so if they Nike hired you as design, brand design and bad, what would you do? I would ask can I get the practice stuff? Like I don't like I just don't know if like I mean I get it like what it would do But I just don't know if that's part of like the real history of the sport like of the culture of the team

Like everything is evolved Yeah, Boston, I don't know like the change class Everything has evolved. Yeah, but I still, I don't know. I'm just afraid of the classics, though. They changed basketball. So you think they changed the classics? No, but they've already ran through the classics. With the Wilson, they've already ran through the classics. But you can't really.

Because everybody don't have the history, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, everybody don't have it. Yeah. Okay, that's true. That's true, dude. Everybody don't have the history.. Okay, that's true. That's true, dude. Everybody don't have the history. The Bobcats. That's true.

I think if you're going to go that way, right, and you're going to do city-type jerseys- Make it to the actual city. Like if I'm the Hornets, don't come to me with a Charlotte Bobcats, nothing. We're not wearing that, dog. What about the clip jerseys? We're not wearing that dog. What about the the clip jerseys are that we're not witness We're not one of that. Like you'd like more man. Let's like the hoarder see our color scheme Did you see they call us game? We're not doing that. Yeah Like that's like what makes you different like the San Antonio's colorway. That's the next colorway

Like yeah, you're the clips like do something that how about Rodney King and you know The city on fire something something you know to me Like you have like like it's the city's own fire like you have something that really represents Yeah, right and King getting beat up some original Beat up somebody, Reginald Denny in the back. Oh, shit. Go ahead. Go ahead. We're going to have OJ on the warm-up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ride the keys to the city on fire on the journey. It's the city. For real.

For real. Yep. Yep. Tell me you won't buy that, though. Yep. I will ponder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

I will ponder. Yep. And it's produced by the Julie. Yeah. But what I'm saying is think about all the colors. When you're talking about attracting fans, you're black. Kids don't want black. Kids don't want

black. They want colors. They want colors. They want all that funky coloring. You're going to have to put them NBA players in WNBA colors. Kids are going to buy it. That's all AU is. The parents buying the jer jurors and giving them kids

black again Well, I went to the game last night the clue game a lot of black people Jersey there I'm just saying different names on them, but they got different and I mean you got a you got to put out that then phone Oh, no, I think the old 90s clipper jerseys is they need to bring that back? The old 90 clippers and Norman and Danny man. I think the old 90s Clipper jerseys, they need to bring that back. The old 90s Clippers. Ken Norman and Danny Mannix? Yeah, when they was at the, what stadium playing? Sports Arena.

The Sports Arena playing. Bring back them jerseys. Yeah, a lot of, like, some teams, they kept the same, like Sacramento. They did nothing different. They did nothing different. So now you got to do something for them. You got to give them something. They had the old school Baby Blue joints. Yeah.

The old one, the old one run with Bibi and them. Yeah, but it's still pretty much the same thing with the team now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They just, it's just, they ain't you so they you have to create something for them The Milwaukee Bucks you got it the color schemes I always been that but you got to create something like the thing with the deer on it That was dope. I'm saying like Jersey with the deer on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That's something for this. I'm saying it means because it's the logo

I think they should just keep those colors. You like the blue jerseys. You like the blue? I don't. Yeah, like, yeah. I don't like the blue. For them? Unless there's some type of meaning of something. Well, blue collar. They've always been the same color. Well, fuck, everybody says that shit. So what?

The blue collar. Okay, cool. Blue collar what? Blue collar state. Yeah. You just have the blue collar on. Yeah. And you're green on it.

The blue collar makes it look different. That would be more fitting to what they're trying to portray. The cream, you like the cream ones when they started that cream? No? That's okay because it's still got the green accents. Yeah. I like that. I like the office.

Yeah, I like that. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Because then you're able to play with the color scheme of the shoes. Yeah. I'm a coordinator kind of guy. Okay, okay, coordinator. You know what I'm saying?

I'm a Dion guy. You look good, you play good, you pay good. You know what I'm talking about? I'm a prime guy with that shit. You know what I'm a coordinator. Okay, coordinator. I'm a Dion guy. You look good, you play good, you get paid good. I'm a prime guy with that shit. I get it. Some teams, they don't have the history of... I like the old school Mavericks joints. The 90s Mavericks. Just kidding.

Before that? It was the same thing. I like them 90s. I think they should go back to them the best race Phoenix like oh Listen at all feed all feed on joints and my MBA was smart All they would do if you instead of doing this crap just tapping the football Change your colorway into a football colorway, right? So Lakers or the Western aim going to the Rams Rams colorway right Dallas going to the Cowboys colorway like Do something like now now you think about all the football fans they get to wear your basketball jersey at the football game

That's good shit Dolphins colorway, yeah, I must say because they did like that South Beach color Huh like LeBron shoes was like they did like a South Beach They did a South Beach color right with the South Beach LeBron's right? Yeah, but I'm just as all yeah But imagine in the dolphin color off and whoo Y'all giving away free Always do we always Think about you like because I was like man if our company like the redness Jersey the Redskins color way

What come at me use with it to the Nets and the Mets? Hmm the Knicks and the Yankees. Yeah The Nick. Oh, they the the Knicks Jersey and the Yankee Them that beats up who was in the in the in the bear which Y'all might have just did something. Yeah. No bad. Watch it like two weeks ago.

Right. Ooh, NFL NBA. But that's what I'm saying. Now you're going to literally have football fans at the games with the basketball games. Vice versa. Vice versa. Vice versa. That's real.

That's fine. Keep their house the same color way? Yeah. That's fine. So let's shift in. Let's talk about That's fine. Keep their house the same colorway? Yeah. That's fine. So let's shift in. Let's talk about a questionable decision. Now, we all know the Nike Jumpman is sponsoring the NBA, and MJ lives rent-free in the minds of jazz fans.

Two of Jordan's six rings came from the 97-98 Bulls, beating the Jazz, and the Jazz is the only two final trips in franchise history. MJ ruined the Jazz's chances of breaking their NBA championship drought. So in the Jazz team store, I think earlier this week, they were selling these shirts. That's crazy.

Fire whoever allowed this design. Jordan. Jazz fans were understandably salty when these shirts dropped in the team store. They feature an oversized Jumpman dunking over the Utah Jazz. Jordan may be the official sponsor of the league, but somebody had to be trolling by letting these hit the shelves. Comedian Ian Carmel offered some astute analysis of the Jumpman Jazz shirts.

He said, this is like Tokyo putting out a shirt with Godzilla on it. And one Jazz fan took it upon himself to remix the shirt to spotlight one of the most controversial plays in Game 6 of the 98 Finals. I pushed off. Fixed it.

They fixed it. What y'all think about Jumpman and StrongArm in the league? Because these aren't only in Utah. I believe you got one in New York. They're everywhere. You got Cleveland, Craig, Elo might be wearing one of these. Yeah, there's a few franchises that this man stopped from getting rings, man. That's a bar.

It's because everybody got it. That's the problem because he messed everybody up. I mean, that's the problem got it. That's the problem because he messed everybody up license. I mean as so every 30 team So I think if it was the the team name was bigger and the logo was just a size that people wouldn't probably have Bigger problem with it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's kind of disrespectful His kids had to do that Today control the young mind right there. Yeah, that's the four right there. That's a young mind right there. Yeah, they controlling the stuff over there, right?

They running the stuff over there, so it's... Yeah, that was a... Imagine you were a Jazz fan, you got to walk into the door. So the Jumpman is NBA or is it Nike? I think it's interchangeable, if I'm not mistaken. Nah. Let me just... Because I seen that tag, that tag said Nike.

And the inside is said Nike Yeah, it didn't say it's a Nike Nike making a product because if you go on a Nike site It's still Jordan stuff all you can yes still it's all going to fill my pocket. I know but it's at the end of day on Whatever it is. Oh, I mean jump in and man got I mean jump in and a guy would have been a little bit better I ain't got a building on the campus, man. You didn't expect that. Who? The man got a building. It should have been like in the back.

Only a few people that got buildings on the campus. Or like normally, like it's up here, like usual. It's only a few people got buildings on the campus, man. So. Those jerseys ain't going to sell too much. Them shirts. They ain't worry about them shirts selling, man. They're going to pull them.

People complain, they'll pull them. That's like the championship shirts they print up the fucking team that don't win it Third world You go to some I'm saying some town in some little country and saying, Guatemala, and they got... When did they win a championship? Miami Heat championship. What? Fuck.

Oh, my Lord. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, like when the Warriors was up 3-1, they had them bitches printed. Yeah, they did. Telling them they had them printed. They had them bitches printed, ready. The pain.

Such a beautiful moment. I'm telling you, though. Where them shirts at? Yeah, yeah. Because I know a dude that play for the Seahawks. Mm-hmm. He said he saw the people bringing the shirts and stuff out when they were wrestling through the interception and they were supposed to run it. He said he saw the dude bringing

everything out, and he threw the interception, motherfucker, turned around like, whoa, shit, let me go. Man, that got to be the sickest fit no yeah you got two downs you got the hardest runner one of the hardest runners ever and you don't give him the ball and you throw a pick and they gotta take the stuff back in the back you he said i saw him wheeling it out oh they all he said the best part is marshawn laughed at pete carroll. Oh, that's the best of the dog. He laughed at Pete Carroll's face. He was on Club Che Che. He basically said

after the play, Russell Wilson was like, we'll get him next time or something. He said he just laughed at Pete Carroll's face and went to the locker room. Yeah, he said he didn't say nothing. We'll get him next time. Shit. Let's move things to current NBA discussion. So Gil, when the Cavs landed landed Imani Bates with the 49th pick,

you said that was one of the steals of the draft because the Cavs were getting a lottery-level player late in the second round. Mm-hmm. Bates has been balling this preseason in his long-range game, as Cavs fans calling him 3-Money. That's his new name. 3-Money? 3-Money Bates.

So Cavs head coach J.B. Bickerstaff has like what he's seen from base in the preseason And he thinks he could be one of the top rookies this season. He said and I quote I Believe if Imani had gone in the lottery he'd be He'd have been there one of the players who'd have been in the rookie of the year conversation We are extremely fortunate that he's here with us, and we look forward to working with him So Imani was one of the picked to be one of the guys very early. SI cover, first sophomore to win Gatorade National Player

of the Year, reclassified, went to Memphis, had some off-course issues, transferred to Eastern Michigan, ended up getting his rhythm back. And now, here he is getting some love.

So how great is it seeing Imani Bates bounce back after all the criticism? It's good, man. I mean, you know, young kids, especially with that type of recognition,

you know, things are going to happen, right? So the fact that he had to fall this far for people to realize that he was, he's good. I think, you know, he's going to get to the bag faster than everybody, right? Because, you know, it's a two-year, three-year deal now, so he's going to get there. He's on a team that's going to win games, and at that position, you know, he's going to get time. So, you know, I expect the big things. You know, that's why I said I thought it was a steal when I see him go that late. Like, he was literally a lottery pick, right?

His talent is a lottery. What he does, his skills. So, get him in the second round. Like, I don't want to hear nobody, like, later in life, like, we didn't see what, like, you did. Shut up. You did. You were still trying to penalize young fella, right?

You know, so, you know, proud of him, you know? I mean, it's preseason, but he's taking advantage of his opportunity. I'm sure he's hearing the noise, not being first round. Like you said, he'll have a chance to play, be around

a team that's going to be fighting in the playoffs. He'll be able to be in games when he's playing big minutes to also so I'm excited for him. He just had hit me on the DMs the other day You know, I just told him just congratulations and you know, just keep pushing through but I'm excited for him, man I've always been a fan Always been a fan, but I love the fact that you know

He's staying hungry though like the fact that he was top in high school and you know, like you said has a little issue but You know, like you said me got take advantage of the opportunity He has a chance, you know, like you said, had his little issue. But, you know, like you said, man, you got to take advantage of the opportunity. He has a chance to, you know, kind of like be in your situation. You know, so we'll see. But I'm excited. Yeah, no, you got to make the best of your opportunity, like B said. But being humble sometimes will make you work harder. It'll make you lock in.

And whatever situation he went through, it was unfortunate. But it seemed like it humbled him. And being probably in Memphis probably wouldn't have been the best situation. Him ending up in eastern Michigan was smaller scale. School wasn't getting the attention that he was always getting. So I did something to him.

But no, being in a good situation under good coaching staff goes a long way. Having guys around under good coaching staff goes a long way. Having guys around you fighting for something goes a long way. Yeah. And like Brandon said, just having the opportunity to play in the preseason with no pressures. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying?

And nobody expected nothing. Yup. So now you get to show people what it was, what people thought it was when you was a sophomore, during these years when you were in high school. Now you get to display that and open people's eyes again, but still understand that I did get drafted in the second round. It ain't guaranteed. You know what I'm saying? So keeping that humble approach.

I mean, it's also about, like you always say, it's also about getting to the right situation too in the draft like where you get picked like he could win first round somewhere where you know You never know but still with the Cavs. It's like he's in a good situation to me Like you know, I think that's the blessing of it all cuz you never know point No, I get to your point though. Like he makes shots and he gonna get the play at that position because they Like it's one of those things though. He's what six nine six eight six nine, yes, I and If he shows what he can show one of them guards is gone

One of them guards is gone because you have two small guards that's the same size right and then you have a money Bates when you can just slide a money Bates to the two now you have a big to guard and then you can guard he can guard his to huh and who's that the one Donovan I was between Donovan and I was the the one of them is really a point yeah but but or two you know I'm saying they so they're just both hybrids now you can get you get rid of one of your hybrids And now you have a legit two slash three so you have more Flexibility and you can bring in a big three and you kind of got a big team which

Your point guard really don't need to be point. Yeah, right same like same like the Suns In a sense. Garland's a little bit more of a point, but you have flexibility in your team. Because Imani can play the one. Garland or Wesson didn't come off. I can see that happen. That's like in training camp and in the season,

I'm going to be looking for him to take one of these spots if he can. Like, I want him at the three, but I'm like, I can make you a two. How realistic do you feel like they did coming in as a second-round pick? It'd be different if he was a lottery like they say, but... It don't matter. We know what it's... You can see his talent. You can see he makes shots.

He can shoot that thing, right? He can... He's long, he's big. At that point, it's like, I can see the talent. You know, he's working. So all of it... All of this is just getting reps in,

and then, you know, I'm thinking about, like, when can I start... You know, when am I expecting him to come in and move? So whoever whoever is a free agent coming up in the next two years three years They got to be on your mind Yeah, being over playing free Got them guys. Yeah

It's like when Brian came over here when Brian came to Cleveland, right? Like yeah, he's the number one pick but Whatever position that he's playing, you got to really think, like, you know, I don't think I'm going to be here, you know, much longer. Shit. You know what I mean? You want to be the three to two?

I got to be asking that question. You want to be the two to three? Like, shit, because you're out of there. So, obviously, you have a unique perspective, being a second-round pick and going on to have the career that you have. What advice would you give to second-round picks and undrafted players about getting ready for their rookie season in the league? Man, learn, study, focus. Get your routine outside of the team,

because that's all you can rely on when you know things ain't going your way it's a long season right so however that season look at the beginning might not finish that way you know what i mean so like if you you getting a lot of minutes at the beginning shit you might not get minutes at the end right you you might not get no minutes like i went from like one minute hit 30 seconds two minutes and minutes, and then overnight, two days later, I'm starting, right? No practice, no nothing. Didn't, you know, somebody got hurt, somebody got kicked off the team, they had to put somebody in.

And then when I, you know, when I got that chance, I just took off, right? So you got to always be mentally prepared, ready. You know, it's hard to, it's easy to say don't get into your feelings and think that you know you ain't playing and get down on yourself it's gonna happen but understand that it is part of the process so understand how to bounce out of it watch game tape like whatever positive things you got going on make sure you're flooded with it you know every day in practice even if you have a bad practice, put a highlight tape in. You know what I mean? Because one bad practice

and you got killed, you go into tomorrow thinking what happened last night, gonna happen again. And again. And again. So you gotta keep ensuring yourself how good you are. So like, you know, every day, you know, you move in towards whatever your goal is.

So Kenny and Brandon, you guys have a different perspective, obviously. You know, number one overall pick. Slightly. Slightly. I ain't have to worry about that shit, man. But what advice would you give to lottery picks on how to approach their rookie season? It's the same thing, man. It don't change because you first pick lottery, 53rd, 49th.

It don't change. You got to routine. You got to work your ass off. You got to surround yourself with positive people. You got to do all the positive stuff in order to get ready. You know what I'm saying? Your demand might be a little different if you lottery pick from your team with obligations as far as media and stuff like that but

as far as the game it don't change yeah like for me i was still trying to get like healthy before training camp because my situation was different i was coming off an injury and i didn't do the pre-draft stuff so i i was just now starting to work out right before the draft and people still questioning whether I was this whether I was that And I'm saying so I still had a little something to prove because of Quote unquote dominance my senior year, you know I'm saying Like so I see I had to prove that I was that coming into it So once I started working out I I had to go that much harder

because I was behind. Because everybody else had been working out all summer. Like my first eight weeks of the summer, I was non-weight bearing. I was on crutches. So I had to hit the ground. And I had to double time. You know what I'm saying?

I had to get ready for training camp. I had to do more than I probably would have had to do so to speak them said I probably read the work out work Mass oh, but I had to I guess I had to double up on everything that I was doing because I was behind so Remember about yourself. I mean for me. I had no time to waste at Scott's cows Right, you know right from the jump, you know, he was, you know, I had to come in and, you know, work hard, show up early, you know, film and, you know, everything.

You know, because the point guard position, it was up, you know, it was up to me. You know, if I wanted it, I had to go out there and earn it, and I did. So the pressure was already on me right from the jump, coming over from Europe, not playing, coming back wanting to prove that I did make the right decision. So being able to start, say, my rookie year, make it to the playoffs, that was a big accomplishment to me because of all the criticism that I had to face skipping out on college.

But also, like Ken and Gil said, it doesn't matter what pick you are because the next year is another 60. So, your job can be in jeopardy the next year. So, you have no time to waste. Well, my job wasn't in jeopardy the next year. I'm just, Bill. I mean, we just traded for J.K. the next year. So, I was like like shit. Let's go But how you said it somebody like me, right?

You don't see me coming not at all your jobs y'all jobs were in jeopardy, right? Are we gonna kick you off? We're going you're gonna go on a bitch. You're gonna do it like yeah. Oh, yeah, I saw it Yeah, yeah, I mean I saw what would the Drafted RJ. Okay. Yeah, he's gonna he's starting. Yeah, you started. You start seeing it You know I'm saying like but now if they were to draft to the floor when I was in a bitch I'd be like, okay now This is what y'all doing now. Okay, it's like it's for just for everyone like You got rewarded by getting drafted for what you've done, right?

Now to get rewarded the next time, these next three, four years is what you put into it. So if you put into it, like, I made it, oh, yeah, your contract the next week will reflect that. Right? I made it. I'm about to go be an play and do all that like now you got to some of you got in the summer right I mean it's I mean you know there's gonna be places where you want to hang out and have fun and all that but you gotta remember this is when you own job this is when everyone's watching you this is when the demand is high so this is the

time where you want to be an NBA player, you're going to be sitting on the bench wondering why other people are passing you up because they're going to be NBA players when the season's over with. I can party when the season's over. Six months work, six months party, if that's how you want to look at it.

Why are you waiting until you get to work to party? And a lot of NBA players do that. When I get to work and I'm around my boys, that's when we're going to do the most damage. Well, how much is that temptation a factor, though, right? You get drafted, you're the man now. I'm saying, yeah, you young. No, no, no, no.

You ain't technically, you ain't the man. Whoever the number one pick is, really, you're not technically the man on the team. Unless the team is real trash, but you're going to have big money on your team still. But I'm just saying, coming into now, that new city, you're the new fresh face, people rocking with you.

How hard is it to avoid those distractions and just concentrate on doing the work? You're going to ask them. Nobody wanted me. You was a legend. I didn't get to a club until I got to Washington. So we came in my rookie year. I was, of course, number one pick for a reason. Team wasn't that good the year before.

We had a bunch of older guys, so we wasn't really. We won 26 games my rookie year. Wasn't expected to do much. Steph was on the team, so Steph was the money guy on the team at the time. So yeah, but it was still, I probably was at second, you know what I'm saying, on the team as far as popularity in the area. We got New York right there, so this is like shit. That shit was a different animal, dog.

Because I hadn't hit the ground at 19. They hit the ground at 22. Yeah. So I'm everywhere. And it's just a different love when your teammates ain't that good, but then you start winning. And it's like, they really like you now. You know what I'm saying?

For the young people watching, Stephon Marbury. You heard that here, Steph. Stephon Marbury. They're young. No, no, not you. I'm just saying. Starbury. Starbury.

Starbury. You know, they be like, he didn't play with Steph. Yeah. That's how people move. Mellow Steph, yes. Carmelo Anthony. Now, Brent, how about yourself? Milwaukee a little bit different than playing New York.

Milwaukee, as you know, you're the main attraction. Yeah, I was the man. Green Bay two hours away. I brung all the California flavor to LA during that time. Everybody on AirTrain, $100. Like Southwest, fly to LA to Milwaukee. And yeah, we was just terrorizing the city. I was out.

I was outside. Yeah, I was outside. I was outside. You was outside? Yeah, I was outside. I was outside. A little too much? You look back a little too much? I mean, for me, I feel like, because I didn't get the experience of college, so I went from Oak Hill to Italy.

So I didn't get no type of prom or none of that. So to me, I felt like, you know, after my rookie year, I scored 55. We're making the playoffs. Like, let's party. So I was just partying, like, for, like, because I was 20, you know, after my rookie year, I scored 55. We're making the playoffs. Like, let's party. So I was just partying. Like, for, like, because I was 20. And then coming into my second year, I turned 21.

So, you know, it was partying. It was up time. It was up. Because I missed out on a lot of fun. So I got that little star power. I couldn't afford it. I'm not even going to lie. I couldn't even buy a beer, man.

What, the clubs back then? Yeah. The prices was cheap. Yeah. I spent my money on a chain and an Escalade. I had four... Listen, I had... When they did my budget, man, when they did my budget for the...

Because I had a two-year deal. The first year, all that money was gone. It was gone. It was gone. So I was already in the year two money. So they had to do my budget. I had $400 after bills was paid,

$400 to myself. A week? A month? A week. I mean a month. A month. I got gas, dog, food, girlfriend. See, back then, two of them got to go. I had to tell them.

Which two are you picking? The house is on fire. At the time, girlfriend and the dog. The dog and the girl got to go at the time. I told her, hey, you're going to have to find a real NBA player. Yeah. At the time. Yeah.

He's trying to make his second. Oh, dog and the girl got to go. I got to eat and I got to get to work. And I got the dog after I got drafted. Yeah, because back then they used to give us free cars. Remember the team? Who? The teams, they used to like the local dealers.

Oh, the local dealers, not the team. Yeah, but the local dealers, they used to give us free cars. So, you know the second one I picked, Paul? It was Martin Cadillac in the jersey. I'm about to say yeah, they used to give us free No, no sick. Oh, yo, pick no. Yeah. Oh, it was Martin Cadillac Yeah, I'm gonna say Milwaukee they gave me a free why maybe like free Cadillacs I remember my birthday my 23rd birthday. They gave me 23 cars to drive around the city 23 cars. Okay, like 15 Obama, but still yeah like 15 like I flew everybody off from Cali I swear to we pulled up to 720 and I had like 15 cars

He just shit it on my little for I'll about to say I like Range Rovers like Range Rovers like the first electric cars like true story Put up in my walk Just you know 23 it was the 23 like Jordan that's I need to run around the city like I'm Mike so So I had the ears okay, the extended Escalade. I had the regular Escalade. I had the pickup truck, and I had a sedan. Mm-hmm.

Damn! Every 10,000 miles, we had to just bring it back. They gave us a new one. What was I doing? What was I? Like, just imagine Martin Cadillac in Jersey. It's Martin. It makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard. I heard. Yeah. They give you like three or four Escalades for the year.

Just trade them out every 10,000 miles, because they want to be... So your college coach probably wouldn't... He wasn't paying for his car. Oh, no, no. You talking about college? Oh, no. I'm saying... No, but he wasn't paying for his car. I'm just saying. He wasn't paying for his car. Oh, no, no. You talking about college? No, but he wasn't paying for his car. I'm just saying.

So that was the highest paying guy you probably had been around up to that point. He wasn't paying for his car. So I learned that shit in college. Like, Hugs wasn't paying for his Lexus. The Hugs-Lexus game was crazy in college. Like, damn, you got the new one, too. Damn, you got the truck. You got... But they just give them, like...

So, I got a draft this year We I knew I knew of that She wrote a local dealership at man. You need to go ahead deal with them So last question for you on on this topic What's the hardest part about making the transition to the NBA? You're on your own. You know, you're on your own, and you're in there with adults. And, you know, there's going to be some teams where you're the only rookie, right?

And, you know, you're sitting there in 19, 20, everybody else 25, 26, 27. They're probably married with girlfriends, so they ain't hanging around with you. No married woman wants their man to hang out with a bachelor. All right, that just seems like that's no no, right? Right. So it's you you get lonely you there by yourself. So You know, that's what usually was get you in trouble because you really have no You have no blueprint No foundation. It's like you planned and y'all go y'all separate ways, and then now, you know, you college.

I got to try to figure out, because, you know, all you know is what? High school, college type of thing, so your house is going to look exactly how your dorm look. One room, probably done, with a kitchen, you know, your bathroom, and then everything else empty, right? You can have a futon master somewhere, have one of those with friends, but for the most part, it's just because you're by yourself.

You don't know nothing. I think the access, having the freedom and access to me, because from Oak Hill straight from Italy to the NBA to having a great rookie season to having money in the bank and like you know having a full summer I think that was the hardest thing for me like just the women the party and like you know just being able to have your own spot being so young and horny we've got that time I really sit on your face brother He's reminiscing like a motherfucker right now. Hey, listen. The women. The women. He smiled. The party. The party. The smile got bigger and bigger.

It went from a smirk to a grin to a full-out day. Like, just. To your mama telling you on the picture, smile, boy. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like, damn. Mom's finally not around.

Like, just doing whatever. I think, yeah, that was just like, just trying to maintain it, yeah. Like, damn, mom's finally not around. Like, just doing whatever. I think, yeah, that was just like, just trying to maintain it, though. Trying to find a way to maintain it, being so young. You know, for me, not having a father figure and things like that, so not really being taught, you know, a lot of things caught up to me early. Oh, shit.

You hit the nail on the head, Jack. Freedom and money. And if you don't have no guidance as a youth, it's gonna catch up. And it's in some form or fashion now, but yeah, I just think having man, just the time on your hands, man, and nobody telling you how to use it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, if you don't know, if you ain't around nobody positive, you're going to, yeah, just don't know what to do. And you're going to end up, yeah, but if you, yeah, like I said, I'm coming in, man, and I didn't, like I said, I didn't have no father figure coming up. I got a couple partners. Shit, we out.

We on the streets. We in the streets, dog. I think sometimes, like, the public and the fans don't understand. Imagine you only have to go to work, right, an hour a day at 11. But you got all the money in the world, right? So let's 10 times whatever you're getting paid right now. 10 times. Maybe twenty times it and Then you only got to work our and then some nights you your hours at night and you get cheered

You get cheered that's didn't be a lifestyle Right, you got all the money in the world, but you the demand of your job is a hour in a day That's all they demand an hour For practice right and then game day, you know two hours That's that's really your workload. So if you go by that workload Yeah Like if you go by that workload, oh you got anything now like today's NBA where the team got their hands on these guys, right? When we played once April 15th, whenever your last game, guys had already shipped their

cars home. Yeah. Listen, they didn't decide them. They month to month lease or they... Yeah. Especially they ain't making the playoffs. They out of there. And the team not seeing these guys until

training camp. Yeah. You ain't seen me in four months. You don't know what you getting back. You know what I'm saying? You ain't seen me in four months. You don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, no, for real.

He can leave looking like this. Absolutely. Coming back like, wait a minute. What did you do all summer? Now y'all got 30 days to give me a shield Like you You show up a plus six. Yeah, no, what did you you put on 50 sitting in four months? Cuz you ain't did jack shit Yeah, but drink and eat and wake up at fucking four in the afternoon.

No, no, no. Don't think about this. Man, when I tore my Achilles, that's what I was doing. Drinking, partying, and waking up at four. Think about the lockout, right? Two players in history, right? When they hear about the lockout, they're like, oh, we're not playing this year.

When they came back, you'd be like, yo, you went from a one, two, 3, 2, 4, 5. Yes. You are the 5-man now. That was Boris, right? Mm-hmm. And then you have Sean Kim. Right, just because the thought of it, like, oh, shit, we're going to have a lockout,

so we ain't going to start the season, so we ain't working out. He ate himself out the lead, man, literally. But, you know, you have an hour. That's what I'm saying. It's not the lead, man. Literally. You know, you have an hour. That's what I'm saying. It's not like college, man. And then with that workplace, you only work in six months. Six months.

So to put it in context. 40 hours a week. You know, y'all got 40 hours a week. Shit, we might get that in a month. Yeah. So to put it in context, what we're talking about, coming into money, time,

before I got drafted, before I saw any NBA money, right, the most money I had, like, as far as a check that had my name on it, I could spend at one time. Pell grant. The first check was $700. that had my name on it I could spend at one time. Pell Grant. The first check was $700. The next check was $1,875. Hey, them checks was big.

It was a total of $2,500. That's the most money I had ever seen for four years, like my four years in college. I couldn't imagine, I can't count how many times I overdrafted my account in college. How many times I was in the negative because I didn't know how to manage money. How many times we came home from a road trip, my lights was off in my apartment. Man, you gave me a pail grant money. Ain't nobody told me you got to pay bills first, can you? No.

Ain't nobody told me this at 18 years old. I didn't stay in the dorm my freshman year. At first, I wasn't eligible to stay in the dorm because I wasn't on scholarship at first. I had to get an apartment. So what comes with apartment? Fucking responsibilities, bills. Ain't nobody told,

can you before you go buy some shoes or you go buy this polo, you need to make sure the light's paid. Polo's more expensive too, let's keep it real. So you learn each year, okay I gotta pay this for it, but by the time my senior come around you got everybody doing... So I ain't learn shit basically, you know what I'm saying? No responsibility.

I get drafted draft number one Check shit Lose my mind. I do my mother ain't never had a car growing up We just catch the bus to go buy groceries, dog My man that my money never owned nothing. So what you think I'm finna do with this? Mm-hmm. What you think? Man, I ain't never seen nothing, had nothing. I own nothing.

I'm 22. First time ever owning anything with my name on it, my mom, anything. And I'm in New York City. Boy, I'm telling you. He said, boy, I'm telling you. Woo! Sounds fun. Sounds fun.

Huh? No, I'm saying I was... The draping, the curtains up. telling you. Woo! Sounds fun. Sounds fun. Huh? Nice house. The draping, the curtains up. Man, people ask me the best day of my career, draft day. Draft day. It doesn't equate, nothing equates to that day.

Yeah. Because it's up now. They say it's up. Oh, it's up. He said it's up. Yeah, I got a question. So when you first get your first paycheck, right, the thing they always say is you should buy your mom a house

or you should take care of your parents and things like that. What would be your advice for youngins coming in when they first get that paycheck? What should they do with it first? Yeah. It depends on your situation. Nowadays, they're a little more

these guys come from some better upbringing than a lot of us did. I don't know the percentage of it. NBA now is like these guys came from- They're growing up in houses.

They're not here. They're not in the project. They ain't growing up in the project. Yeah, they're not in the project. A lot of these dudes ain't growing up in the project. They just call it what it is. They ain't growing up in decent- Some of them, yes.

There's still some stories from guys from the inner cities in LA, Dallas, and other places. Yeah, that's rough. There are. Yeah. But it depends on the background. To your question, it depends on what you come from. There's no need for KJ to buy me a house.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But if it wasn't the case, then I'm not expecting it, but if he did it, what could somebody say? You know what I'm saying? What could somebody say?

No, don't do that for your dad. No, that ain't what you're supposed to do with your money. You know what I'm saying? But do you think parents should encourage their kids to want to buy? No. Okay, so look. Something for themselves. Something for themselves because you want to get there.

No, you take care of yourself first and foremost. That should be the message. Right. But a lot of parents in a lot of situations, they live vicariously through their kids. So when they make it, it's we made it. You know what I'm saying? It's when you're going to take care of us, we need this. We need this house.

It's that. You know what I'm saying? So it's those pressures that some parents put on their kids, which is unfair. You know what I'm saying? Because no, the truth of the matter is you had your fucking shot and whatever, to be whatever you wanted to be, whatever happened, it didn't pan out for whatever that dream was if that's what you wanted to be. You know what I'm saying? Right. Don't put that on your child to...

Like, that's a lot of pressure. It's pressure because, one, he doesn't know nothing about money, and you don't know nothing about money. Mm-hmm. So what happens is, let's say you're the number one pick, right? You're making, you know, three million. Well, so let's say you're the number one pick, right? You're making $3 million. Well, let's say $4. Well, after taxes, you got about $2.5, right?

Your parents want a house. They always want a $2 million house. Now you got, you don't have that money in your account when they want it. You didn't get a check yet. You got drafted in the summer, right? So now you got to borrow money from your agent. You got to borrow money from your agent or get a loan out from the bank, right? To get them a $2 million house, you got to put half a million dollars on it or something. Now

they got a mortgage, right? Now you got to furnish that house. You got to buy them a car, right? Get a new wardrobe. So, you know, before you even started the season, you probably done spent $700,000, $700,000, $800,000 before you even touched anything for yourself. Right. Right? So before that season's over with, 90% of the kids are already in their second year's money.

Okay. They already on their second year's money. Okay. They already on their second year's money. So that's all that's happening is like you're putting them in a better situation, right? You know, if they already have a house, fixing the house up or paying the mortgage off, buying them a new whip, right? Trying to, you know, that makes sense. But when you're trying to really just upgrade for a guy, you're going to upgrade them, then you're going to upgrade yourself.

Now two people are spending on the same one money. Yeah. And that's mostly what ends up happening at the beginning. And now that player is, like, he's really searching for his second check. So let's take somebody like Zoe. That $5 million house that his dad got, that was his, where he had to get a condo. He had to get a condo,

so whatever cars he bought, then the water company, then you got to put money in the water company. So whatever your dad wants, that's coming from your Laker money because you didn't get a shoe deal. So most of his early money with the Lakers was being Put on pops and trying to build the company so him signing that new deal gave him relief

Now look at him and then look at the second son has no responsibilities None I ain't gotta buy y'all shit. And I ain't got to buy you nothing. It's already been done. So when you look at the two, when it's all said and done, they can play the same amount of years. One's going to be living here. One's going to be living here. Like, you know, one does that, like, you know, Zoe probably spent eight, nine million of his dollars, you know, building, trying to build the empire for the family. And the other one, $100 million contract,

number one pick, right? He's going to touch $500 million like this. And Zoe's never going to hit any of that kind of money. You know what I mean? And that's just the difference of it. Like, when you ask white kids, you know, what's the first thing you bought? They've never said anything about buying their parents anything.

Right, right. Nah, for sure. You know what I mean? And they're taught to move the money thing you bought? They've never said anything about buying their parents anything. Right. For sure. You know what I mean? And they're taught to move the money forward. So whatever money they get, they're saving so when they get kids, they can take care of their kids for their kids to take care of their kids. We're taught when we make money, move back. We got to take care of our parents.

We got to take care of our parents. So by the time we all get kids There's no money left Right. So the life we gave our Parents we can't give our kids Mmm-hmm. And that's that's that's the problem We haven't we're given a lifestyle that we supposed to be giving to our kids for our kids to move it forward We're giving it to our So there's no generation. We can't use no generational wealth because we're moving it back.

And we're taught that. Yeah. But we're coming from... But the problem, we're coming from a situation where... We're already behind the eight ball. We're already behind the eight ball. And we're trying to make up for it.

Starting behind, I'm saying. We're trying to make up for it. Just call it what it is. Yeah, we're trying to make up for it. Like, it should be like, listen, like... We're starting at a deficit. Yeah. The're trying to make up for it. Like, it should be like, listen, like, we're starting at a deficit. Yeah. The kids today,

to be honest, the kids today shouldn't really have that problem. Yeah. Because I was looking like Wimby, right? How much did you make

being number one pick? My total deal was like 15 million more taxes. 15 million. He's 55 billion. Mm. Right.

55, right? He's already, like, it's done. You know what I mean? He's already, like, it's done, right? You know what I mean? He's 55. He's 55, like, without a shoe deal. That's his first money. So, you know, it's

different money now to the point where they can really afford the $2 million, $3 million house and not even worry about it. But that's been the problem where we're moving the money back instead of trying to move it forward for our kids to be in that better situation. As fathers,

we want better for our kids, right? And that's how we dream. And then when we get to that point, it's like, man, my bad, man. I had to take care of grandma. Right, right You know, I had to take care of grandma. Right, right, right, right. You know what I mean?

I had to take care of grandma when, you know, I should be like saving for when it's your turn. You can, you have the trainers and all this stuff, so you can go past and go past and go past. So, man, last question. Listen, what point, so are you saying basically live humbly, live modestly initially? At what point do you really start to,

that second contract is when you really start to that second? Contract is when you maybe start to spin the bread a little bit more man. Listen, it's easy for us to say it You know, I mean it's easy for say man, you know I try to try to say put yourself on a real budget because during that NBA season you don't really you don't really need Yeah, you don't spend there's no there's no there's spending, but you're going to find ways to try to spend. You're going to find ways. I'm going to go to the club. I'm going to spend 50 racks.

Knowing that that 50 racks you're giving on bottle service could really be something you do here. Right? And then think about all the bottle service we done spent. Like, damn, that was an island. I could have an island. And you really have to be conscious of that and try not to enjoy it. You spent $50,000 in a club before?

Fuck yeah! I had a bottle war with a, uh, with a, one of them, what do they call them, the dudes? They really ain't got that money, but they pretend they do. What are they called? Um, club promoters. Yeah! I had a club promoter, yeah. Like, he buying bottles so I can buy bottles so he can buy bottles and like dude

I got you know, I don't know. Let me let me just play devil's advocate here Do you think he was pump faking you do you think he was buying those bottles? Oh, no, no, you get it free and it making you buy bottles to keep but I had I had I had to really like Do one of these it was it was bottle war, right? We ordered bottles It's just me Antoine and Antoine's girlfriend. We got about 30-something bottles. We didn't drink like that. I took a sip. I had to

tell them. I told the ladies, why y'all over there? I got all the bottles. He probably got an apartment. I said, you know what? Since y'all want to do all this, all the Fiji water in here, I want to buy all of it. They got six packs. It was in live. Six packs. I want to do all this all the Fiji water in here. I Want to buy all of it They got six packs. It was in live six packs or I want every case y'all got I don't want him to hydrate

Don't want to hydrate. So then all I get all about just coming We have water fight Had to do for the breath No hydration alone. No for the coach. Can you had different? Do it. I was gonna do it for the coach, King. I had to do it for the coach, King. I had to do it. I wasn't going to let a club promoter be me, man. You better eat it. You eat it to the club, but you keep on trying to keep up.

This is what I do, and I'm about to do it again tomorrow night. I'm going to turn all the faucets off, cut all the water in the club. We started humble, bro. That's why I hate the sparklers. Fuck sparklers, man. We competitive. Yeah. Right? I order two bottles.

Me? Antoine. You're good with your girl. We good. Two bottles. He going bottle five. I can just see it just. And look.

Give me, give me, give me 10. It's all like, man, what you doing, man? Give me 10. I'm not letting him beat me, man. Nah, man. You are an amazing human being. That's why I got... Petty guy, man.

Petty guy, man. The chat said you're at the club with a no hydration clause. Man, I bought it. If anybody was going to live that night, we had a whole water fight. Every water. Nobody got water. Little Wayne and that motherfucker. You can't get no water.

You got to come to me. Let's keep this thing moving. Shit, man. They say defense wins championships, but what makes a player an elite defender? Obviously things like steals and blocks are important, but Heat Center Bam out of Bio thinks too many people are stat watchers and not game watchers.

There's been a lot of talk about maybe defensive athletes being a steals and block award. You go out there with four blocks in the first half. Do you think that's an accurate statement of the way it's viewed as kind of the guys who get the steals and the blocks are the guys that kind of get more credit defensively yeah i mean obviously because we have a lot of people who are stat watchers they don't really watch the game they they're stat watchers go straight to the column and be like, oh, well, you know, he had this much not knowing, like, he gave up, I don't know, probably 40 in the paint depending on who it is. So, yeah, I feel like if they watch the game,

it'll be a different perspective as always. Before we get into discussion, Brandon, can you rate that man purse for us? Yeah, I'm tired of the man. Like, can we retire that look? The Indiana, what is it? It's supposed to be the Indiana Jones satchel. Can we get that man purse up out here? I'm tired of that.

Is that a man of tough crowd? Just go get a wallet. Nah, you got a pin in your pocket. Just go get a nice wallet. Where you going to put the wallet? Your back pocket. Right here. Go get some.

I'm old school. I got the old head wallet, cars. I'm like, wait, like well, you know this shit. We live in a digital world But I mean we you don't even really need nothing. I'm about say you just need your I go on vacation I carry my bag with me. I'm saying I don't know I'm a loose shit Well, I push it in my pockets when I go on vacation. Yeah, big. Yeah, everywhere I go Yeah, I'm putting everything in my bag when I go on vacation. I put nothing putting nothing in my pocket. Wallet, money. Bring the fanny packs back. But that's okay. Vacation, yeah. I get that.

Yeah, when I'm traveling, yeah, no, other than that, like, no. The fanny packs. Not every day. Yeah, not every. So, Kenny, we'll start with you. Do you agree with Bam saying that too many people are box store watchers and not game watchers? Yeah, absolutely.

Like, not a lot of people understand what comes into playing defense, so they're not going to understand in no way what they're watching. So, yeah, they're watching stats. I love, everybody knows the way I feel about AI. Like, Chuck, my man, Hunter Grant. Like, Chuck wasn't, we, nobody considered a defensive specialist by any stretch of imagination. And he won, he was on defensive player of the year because he had steals. I'm saying, all defensive teams because he had steals and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? So, leading the league in steals, it's not like you, yeah, no, it's definitely, I agree 100% with him because I didn't make all defensive team because I didn't average, what, two, three steals a night, two, three blocks.

But anybody I played against, any matchups, any team, any scheme, anything you ask, any coach I played for, against, any player I played against, defensively, there wasn't nobody more prepared or more willing to engage and switch picking roles and guard guys and hold his own. Like, I'm one of a lot of those guys nowadays get praised for being able to guard one through five. Been doing that. Like, I'm telling you that. Like, I'm doing that. Like,

only the guys I didn't, Shaq. Okay. That's it. That's everybody. That's it. Like, for me,

my size, my stature, Shaq. But the rest of them fives had no problem. That's the easy work. Fours, three,

like, come on, man. Like, guarding ones, coming out of timeouts having to chase Gill around Switching the pick and roll on Gil we playing New Orleans garden Chris Paul come out of timeouts got to go chase AI around Back in day playing Indiana. I got a I'm chasing Reggie and Jalen around I got a little bang with Jermaine O'Neal and them down, but Davis, like, chasing Sprewell and Allen Houston around, I got to go bang with Larry. Come on, man, same game. This is out of time now.

Okay, I got him. I got him. I got him. I got him. I've been doing this, and if people was watching the game knowing that, can't tell me. I ain't, year in, year out. He had to guard me, too. Third game in the season

I probably switched out there more than likely. Yeah, listen, I ain't got no problem a switch. Yeah, my thing I ain't gonna let you go Bobby Go have to shoot a jump shot. You better settle that jumper. I'm gonna make you shoot a contested to man Like if you look at the game what I'm I'm forcing you into the shot I want you you might want that shot but if i'm doing i ain't letting you get to putting our team in harm's way on the back end and making you take a tough two where there's a tough if you do get by me you can best believe i'm swiping at that bitch up top twice i'm trying to block it swiping out your hand like

come on man these dudes that's why i never like, people think it's, when I say it, they think it's a crazy take, right? Oh, he said this guy don't play defense. And then they go and look at it. He made eight defensive teams. Yeah, I don't know what metrics they use it, but he was trash on defense. Like, he was easy to go by.

Like, I'm trying to figure out, what are we considering defensive players? That's what I want to know. Give us the metrics of how you're judging, because I was third in steals, and they were calling me a defensive player that year. Like, I ain't doing nothing. I'm ball watching. Like, I'm just tracking. I'm going for the steal.

Like, I'm giving up points because I'm trying to go for the steal. I'm trying to catch A.I. and Larry. You know what I mean? So it's like, how are you guys rating defense? Like, on-ball defense, I was great. Coming off pin downs, nah. Throwing knees and elbows and big man sitting there,

nah, I'm good on that, so I'm going to take the long routes. Right? Like, even fighting through, like Even fighting through pick and roll stuff, that's a team part. If the big man don't show and my guy turn a corner, that's not on me. That's his job. My job is to make sure he goes over. Now, if he goes the other way, my fault. You're not calculating

that. I know you're not. I know you're not calculating that. If I've got my guy in a post and he's doing this and I get him to take a bad shot and the big man gets the block, who gets that rating? Right? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you guys are not judging defense on how it really is. Like, what is a defensive player? A defensive player is who's netting everything.

He's netting everything. He's netting everything. I try to go like, okay, I'm about to hit him with the fake and go baseline, but he came over and stopped me from doing that. That's a defensive point because I was getting ready to go baseline. He was trash, right? But it got stopped. I'm getting ready to go middle and I'm getting ready to hit him with the dime and and big man came over already early, right? He stopped that. Now I found his man. That's not his fault. That's his teammates fault, right? I'm coming down the lane. Big man came over, stopped me. I dump it off. That's not the big man's fault. That's the guard's fault because the guard's supposed to snap back, right? So,

you know what I mean? There's like, you guys, like, you guys are not judging defense on how it is. It's a team thing, but you need to know everybody's responsibility. That's everybody's responsibility. So, if the big man is doing his job, like, on you guys' team, it was you first, then J-Kid. On Cavs, Vrazia out you first, then J.K. on Cavs, raised you out by himself damn near, right? Like Lakers, little bit of Derrick Fisher, Kobe keeping the ball away from you, and Shaq.

But the thing with Kobe, once you get get past him he ain't playing defense no more right is you know you get by him he gonna turn point get him get him yeah right so I knew that like once I get by him I don't have to worry about him coming behind me or trying to sweep down you know I just gotta worry about big fella now

right you know like there's there's guys that you know they get no there's there's guys that you know, they get to know credit Yeah for the things that they do because you don't you don't see what they're doing you you trying to run a play to them I call it the black the down album. You're gonna pass that boom. I kick it out of bounds. Yeah Defensive you go boom. I'll get my hand on the shit now. We can somebody else get the steel I got the deflect somebody good, but I don't get no credit for the deflection. Yep Or you gonna make it moveable and I'll make you travel, yep

Right. No, no you went to your shit like no, I stood you up and made you change direction. I made you travel My god, are you trying to run across green? I'll blow your whole player Run your cross green because I didn't blow the whole fucking play up. Because y'all knew our offense. Yeah. Because they ran the shit that we ran. I'm not letting them run nothing. Nothing.

Whatever he knew to throw the ball. Listen, if he's trying to run some shit, throw it away from me. Or call something different when I'm out of the game because you're not going to be able to run it. Not. Little shit in the game. We playing the Lakers.

Guy Ritz is a man. So I'm tired of Kobe busting our ass. We come out of time and I grab my guy. Listen, man, I'm finna run at him when he get. When he cross half court, he get the ball. I'm gonna run at him. Nobody know that. That's.

Now. I love that. We're gonna give that a name. What we gonna call that? Like coaches ain't letting you put defensive shit in that. The way. The way I guarded stuff wasn't team, the way other guys, the other bigs guarded pick and rolls and cross screens and, no.

I'm going to guard it this way because it's effective. You teach them to guard it that way. I'm going to guard it this way. And every coach I've had, you know what? Do what you do. That what? Do what you do. That's, do what you do. I said, it's just, it's frustrating because it's like, if 90% of the guards are using pick and roll,

how are you judging a guard's defense? How are you judging a guard's defense? How are you judging the guard's defense? Because it becomes someone else's responsibility to stop the ball now. Well, I guess like if he gets over the screens. Oh, so now it... But it depends on the coverage though. Now I'm a great defensive player because I know how to get over that mother... It depends on the coverage.

Yeah. So some teams play, let him get over the top, you got the nail helping make him kick it to the wing and then they rotate to the corner. This man rotate... It depends on how you're playing it. Some teams the nail helping make it kick it to the wing, and then they rotate to the corner. This man rotates. It depends on how you're playing it. Some teams down it. Some teams jumping it. Some teams... Now, now, think about it.

I'm late. Let's just say I'm late on getting over, right? He can't turn the corner because it was a hard show, or he can't get in the lane because the nail guy there. Now, the nail guy is there. They pass it to that guy. That guy shoot. Who's wrong?

Me? And then the guy who didn't help you because you helped me. Because you stopped my man from doing it. So you get the defense. You're supposed to get the defense to stop him, make him make that pass. He goes here, you go there. They looking at matchup to matchup, not realizing, no, that's not his fault. That's his fault.

That's why fights start in them locker rooms during film time. Click. Yo, listen, that film. Click. That film the next day might be the most dangerous thing. Yeah, you'll get subbed out because you thought it was your fault. You'll be like, that wasn't my responsibility. I did.

I snapped back. He threw it over here. Or simple shit like you know I mean like guy coming in and you do one of these stop the ball they throw it to the corner and That corner gets to hit the three. That's my fault. We don't leave the corner now if he turned the corner, and I don't help I need my responsibility. Yeah, that's big man. He's supposed to come over right so it's that's wild Are you paying to be that don't talk Or big they don't like you

Don't like you probably Where Don't talk I Beg that didn't like none. Yeah, it's usually if you don't give them ball. Yeah, but yeah Yeah for sure yeah Life you let your point guard get hit with a blind screen like yeah, I trip not trip I tripped up car Malone because of that is my I was picking up John Stockton boom

Then they one of those trips like I didn't know it was called. I didn't look back like, ooh. He wasn't going to do shit. No, no, he stood over me and said, don't get mad at me, get mad at your big. And now you look all the way down there, big all the way down there, he ran down there like, man, that hurt. I ain't picking him up no more. You know, that shit bothers me that I ain't never make a defense, all-defense team. All right. How many years do you feel like you had a legitimate case to make one? Not the last couple, two, three years, but, shit, every year in Denver, three years in

Jersey, every year in Denver, at least a shot at least one of them fucking teams. It's got three of them. Right. Yeah. Shit. Every it's got three of them right shit every year they got three of them for 15 years you mean to tell me I ain't

come on man line them up dog let's just think about it let's throughout my 15 years the fours the threes the defensive guys

who that was who won no I'm just saying Ben Wallace won a few but I'm just saying, Ben Wilder's won a few, but I'm just, like, just... other than Ben, rebounding and blocking shots. See, they count that as defense. Yeah, they do, fucking rebounding.

They count rebounding as actual defense. So, shit, I mean, if we're gonna do that, Russell... Russell should be fucking defensive player. Yeah, exactly. Every year, yeah. Every year! But that's how they count it. I mean if we're gonna do that Russell Russell should be So if you have like four but if you have is three blocks and you and you getting Nine defensive rebounds a night ten defensive rebounds a night What they got do with defense with that and when you got let me start that guy do with defense like you you when you got some other guy like just

You meet him to know I don't wanna I don't decide like a hater Anybody ain't hating because you got some guys on something cuz you got guys on teams that got deals their teammates to get fucking Like we was playing big the guys got incentives in a country. Yeah. No, no, no all that shit You know I'm saying they're going to get rebound they Guys get out the fucking way the ball coming. They yeah. Yeah. No, no that shit You know I'm saying you got rebound incentives in your deal like that kind of shit, which which I had teammates my It was a Both years where I'll be on a basket a rebound. I got it. They push me out of bounds Like that and the other ball Nobody get it fucking ball going out of bounds. Like that, or the ball fucking going out of bounds. Nobody get it. The fucking ball going out of bounds.

You fighting over the ball, the fucking ball going out of bounds. Really, dude? Because they got them clauses. That's what I said. Them clauses, man. NBA clauses, man. It makes everyone selfish. And I'm just... Who the bigs in that? I want an honest assessment. I can tell you who was good.

Just think about the bigs I I played against over my time. Eldon, Durant, Dirk, Tim Duncan. KG deserved it. KG deserved it. Tim Duncan deserved it. Ben Wallace deserved it. Yeah, but he kind of rebounds. I don't.

Like he was. Kira Lincoln. Ben was good at guarding bigs. Because he was strong. Post up bigs. Post guarding bigs. Because he was strong. Post-up bigs. Post-up bigs. You know what I'm saying? Ben went out there switching pick and rolls regularly.

He just hard show. He's going to try to hard show, try to get back. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why. Carol Linko guarded multiple positions. But that's why, if you notice notice that's why someone like Rashid Wallace Going there and height in their game right because he was big enough to guard Shaquille and all the big fives Right with great defense which made Ben sit back and he gets to like challenge over the top and do all that extra stuff He can roll more and that's why they team went

different cuz now you got two dudes back there one is solid and one is the hyper dude with Tayshaun Prince it was you know I mean it was so you got some but you name the defensive player yeah we think about just guys that know I'm just first force first team our defense second team already like that's like that's Carol Inko yes absolutely I'm the first to say I go like two thousand what for like four or five four or five Been while it's the same ones every year Tim Duncan. It's the same ones every Marcus can be Kira Laco my Marcus

MC average block but we there's blocks and rebound like I don't remember him like I've never played and said oh I'm who I need to watch out for him. And he averaging three, four blocks a game. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Okay, well, next year? MC didn't guard

the toughest guy on the team. So, Ben Wallace, Kira Linko, 05, 06, Ben Wallace, Kira Linko. Same dude. Seconds, yeah, Chauncey, KG,

Marcus Canby. Yeah, so like, you can see my position is going to be all shooting guards. Yeah. This is wild. And I'm guarding everybody. That's what I said. I don't know.

That's your play. I'm guarding everybody, every night. No matter who it is, the team's best post player, I'm guarding. Team's best wings, I'm guarding. Yeah. Ask them. Ask them. Line them up and ask them when they have to play me. I want to know what people think.

A damn show ain't going to say it was sweet. I know. That I do know. I do know. Let's say somebody like Shaq, right? Like, where is he getting his rating from? I would like to know like like like let's say somebody like Shaq right like Like where's he getting his rating from Like like, you know, I mean I know like, you know who he is back there, but pick and rolls He was never there getting shot easy

Every time every time like pick and roll easy easy that that's his position. That's his that's his rating This is you like it's a pick and roll. You're a man setting a pick. You're supposed to be here, and you're giving up points, so you're not getting discredited for those points. No big man scores. There really wasn't no real true post players that you were guarding, so I just didn't understand. I just know most of his defense was he going to hit the first nigga that came in there hard. Absolutely. He going to hit them hard, so everybody just want to take jump shots.

That turned to- Which made it easier for them. It was smart. They going in there and him turning to the side, dog. That shit, come on, man. Oh, you ain't have to worry about that. Going to try to dunk on him, he do this shit here. All that just turn and hit you.

Boom. Man. That's why nobody never tried to dunk on him like that. No, that's why he ain't never. There's nothing out there. A tip dunk. Yeah, that's the only way you catch him, tip. A tip dunk, that's it. There's nothing nobody.

If he see you coming, ain't nobody ever dunked on him. Because he's pushing all his's nothing nobody's nice. He see you coming ain't nobody ever dunked on him cuz he's he's He's pushing all his weight and then his side. I so he ain't coming like this. No. Yeah, boom You can hear it. Oh How many he got one? It's too long, you know, I'm going up Clips over fine. He. I'm getting quick to the back. Yoom. Dunk that thing.

Float it. You know, you ain't nothing big, fella. Uh-uh, that shit hurt. Yeah, that shit hurt. Let's keep this thing moving. So we got to talk about James Harden. After skipping Sixers media day to hang out in Houston, Harden headed back to H-Down and skipped Sixers practice today.

It was a no-show. So according to Shams Tarania, James Harden's a no-show at Philadelphia 76ers practice today, sources tell The Athletic and Stadium. Harden has not been present with the team since Sunday. In response to Harden missing practice, Embiid had this to say, Maybe he has something to do. I'm not sure. I don't know if anything was going on because he's been here.

He wasn't here today. So, obviously, I think he probably has something important to do or something came up. So, there were reports that Harden was in Houston actually working out, getting ready for the season. I think this was an unexcused absence from the team, though. Nick Nurse was kind of a little confused as well. But is Harden hurting his trade options by not playing ball with the Sixers?

I mean, what season is he getting ready for? Look at what I'm trying to see. He's in Houston working out. Has he played one preseason game? Nope. He said he wants to play, and there was talks. I think the Sixers had their last preseason game on Friday. I don't care about what he has.

Has he played yet? He said he wants to play in that final game. We don't know. Answer that question. No. No. Okay, so he hasn't played a game yet. No.

But can i give you all the details no so what the fuck is the detail is no so he's shit he said he want to though fuck what he want to do has he so he's practiced this whole time but ain't played in no games i think he's played in one team scrimmage as well i don't know how much he's actually been so he hasn't played no game no right so so he's practicing every day but not playing an actual game with the team. Well, they haven't seen him since Sunday. Yeah, now I see Houston. Why do we care? I'm sorry. I think Philadelphia... No, no. What team is he on now?

The Sixers. No, no. What team is he on now? In Philly? Yeah, the 60s. Like, I think Philly want us to do their dirty work. Right? Well, we supposed to bash him, because, like, y'all mismanaged him. So we supposed to bash him because he didn't show up to practice and he's practicing somewhere else. Like, to be honest, the fuck does he need to practice there for if he ain't playing in the game like like make it make sense before we we start bashing someone like like Take care your own shit like fuck that like you take care your own shit. This is your problem, right?

Right, it's your problem He was in practice and what happens during game day y'all ain't demanding him to go in the game But y'all demanding him in practice. Like, this ain't our problem. Like, I'm sorry. I'm tired of taking sides. Right? You know, I'm tired of taking sides. This is y'all fuck up.

If he ain't showing up to practice, fine, motherfucker. What we care for now? Right. This is y'all second year doing this. Yeah. We don't care. Fucking Daryl Moore, you created this fucking monster. Deal with it.

You created this monster in Houston, he followed you to fucking Philly, you all went there together, brotherly love. God damn it, you created a deal with it. It's definitely not real stuff. To Gil's place. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Who gives a fuck at this point, man? Like, hurting it, helping it.

It is what the fuck it is. Like the analogy I gave you the other day, we're talking about the James Lord and coke got a fucking mental. Mm-hmm, but shit in it. You seen what it do The fuck we still like you said like There are more sure fucking deal with it you you created this fucking this damn thing deal with it And we're not sexist fans up here. Okay? No, but that's what I'm saying You care like you like walking through that door. We can pretend that you know what James is saying is not true Right he took a pay cut you promised him something and you were a nigga. That's your problem now Don't don't don't have the media coming in here trying to

Take the pressure off of you. That's the problem you you want to throw everything just like Ben Simmons you want Everyone to go at James so we don't look at you, right? We don't see what you did No, the NBA don't investigate. What did you promise the man? What'd you like? You think like you want us to think that he's doing all this for no reason. Like, I'm pretty sure we're not talking about $10 million here. Right? I'm pretty sure we're talking about real money that was promised, and he took pay cuts, and you're reneging on it. Right?

Because at the end of the day, whatever happens after happens after this it's gonna be hundreds of millions lost Let me tell you what I think happened He had a conversation with James without speaking to other people. Mm-hmm. You made these promises and it ain't a checkbook It ain't your checkbook, that's what I think. That's what this smells like to me. You made promises that ain't your checkbook to motherfucking write. You go to this man that write checks and this man be like, who? Who? Who what?

Him? You out of your rabid ass mind. Now you got to go back and be like, shit, shit. Uh, James, like, yo, where that money at, dawg? You're like, well, what happened was, uh, now you... But if you harden, are you blaming Maury for that? Yeah, he had the conversation, yes. But if Maury, you promised me not go up the ladder and they say no. But I'm not listening to no owner.

Huh? I mean, I'm not listening to him. Like I know that I'm gonna man. I mean you know I'm not listening to him like he not like but that's his His man, huh? The grain. Yeah, that's not so man. No, that's that in his case In this case that that was his man. I was his man. There was a beautiful together this That's not great. They push him using together him Maury James then Tony created that shit that they fought to follow each other. No, they boys They had a conversation. He promised that man money. That's not now. You got to go have a conversation with somebody who actually making the decisions Yeah, that's what I said. It's like you you want us to won't he just be a professional?

Cuz because none of y'all would None of y'all would. None of y'all would. Half the media that's doing this, y'all are quitting jobs because you can't get along on TV or behind the scenes. Y'all arguing about seats and shit. Names, who name goes first?

Not hundreds of millions. Y'all arguing about little things and leaving. I can't, the way we argue, I don't like the way we argue. I don't like the way she smell. We're gonna have to get rid of, that's what y'all fighting for. Right, and then gonna say, well, he should just be a professional.

Get the fuck outta here, man. Nobody wanna hear what y'all got going on, man. We watching y'all too. And that's just the way it is Like I'm not gonna sit here and say, you know, James need to go out there, you know play and this is gonna hurt That's not my right. That's not my judgment. Right? You know what I mean? Like Like I'm taking I'm taking a stance that as a human if he's disgruntled, why would I want him to put on my uniform? Why would I want the cook I just said can't do nothing cook my meal?

No. No. But maybe they don't care about losing the money either. So if they don't want to trade, they're probably just like, well, whatever. No, no. Like, just sit here. Just sit. No, no, no, no.

This is what they think they can do. What they think they can do. What they think they can do is because it's money, right? This is how the uppers think. It's money. You care about money. So every game you miss, I'm going to fine you. Okay. Every practice you miss, I'm going to fine you. So they feel that I can fine you so much that you gonna want to play and then whoo everything is settled No, I mean probably not Sub me and aha whoo At low back, I mean, I feel like you've given this recipe a formula and we've seen players use it.

Yeah, used it very well. So if you harden that while you're in Houston, why you not just back you out of me? Because it's too late. It's too late. You can't. It's too late to back you out of me? Yes. So that's what I'm saying.

And they know that. That's why it's just like, okay. So I feel like the Sixers just playing it like, okay, well, whatever. We're going to sit here and wait. Whatever. There's nothing he can do or say right now. I mean, I don't know. But that's what I said.

Both of them. They both losing. But that's what I said is the Sixers think because when James do these little things and the media kills them, it takes them off the hook. Right? Like, they want you to play. James don't want to play. So it puts the pressure all on James because he's the one we're all looking.

Just like a lockout, right? When a lockout, who do they blame on a lockout? The players making too much money. Not realizing we're only locked out because them 30 owners, they had conversations about how they want to split their revenue and the TV deals and the Lakers and all them big money deals, like, no, no, no, I'm not, you too poor for me, right? The Lakers then start big-bullying them small teams, and then it's like, well, take it from

the players. Well, then we're gonna have a lockout, and then they come look at us. When the original argument was- Y'all give up more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all gotta give up more to make them feel happy when the Lakers and all the New Yorks and all of them guys that want to split their profits with the owners. It had nothing to do with the players. But then they make us look like we the bad guy and we make too much money. You know, they always try to deflect it to the player themselves because...

The public. Yeah, instead of putting it all into context and looking at it. I just think in this situation, they just going to sit there and just wait. Just going to sit there and wait. So do y'all see a problem based on the information that we have and we know, do y'all see a problem with what James is doing and would you react in a similar fashion? If you was guaranteed some bread,

you took less money for the team, and then they tried to pull that deal. I want to know, to be honest, I want to know how much it is. The reason I want to know that is, I mean, we can just think about it like he's on a max deal probably was looking for another max, right? Which is what, about 250?

She didn't know him? 300? Probably. You need an all-NBA team, so probably like 200-ish around? 200-something? Like 250, yeah. Let's just say 250. Yeah, like 250, yeah. And after this year, let's say he gets one year 20. That's 230.

That's 230 guaranteed. Just that. Just that alone is lost. We don't know what he had to take. We don't know what extension he was supposed to get. True. Yeah, see, that's... So, do James really think they was going to give him five for 250?

That's not what I want to think about. Come on, man. But you're my friend. You're not my friend. You know what I'm saying? But no, no, that's business. But to that point, if I've done everything King... Everything is lined up.

But let's look at the facts. No, let's look at the facts. lined up. Let's look at the facts. No, let's look at the facts. Fuck that. Let's look at the facts. Yeah. Line the last four years up of James Harden, of this current deal that he's under. He's on the last year of this deal right now, right?

The last four years of this deal that he's been under. What positive things have James Harden done for himself or a basketball organization? In basketball terms, he took a sacrifice to try to win, in a sense of points. Win? Going to Philly.

Right? Instead of trying to average 30 and 10, he went down to 22. He went from 30-something all the way to 22. So someone told him that, you know, we don't need you to shoot as much. Before that, I think in Brooklyn. I think it started in Brooklyn.

Like taking the sacrifice. I I know but what I'm saying So the sabotage you're trying to get out this situation, but more you came out first, right? If I'm not saying he got he left the situation first and yeah, yes or no Yeah, like so that one positive we all signed do this shit together you bounce But the point I'm making is he bounced because of what though more it no no because because Kai wasn't playing right? Yeah Yeah, I mean he didn't it wasn't a situation that he thought was going to, whatever, they're talking behind the scenes. But Maury, you came and got me out of that. Yeah, you did.

But moving forward, looking at the next five years, I'm supposed to give you 250? I understand we are naive in our ability at times. We are naive about our future at times as athletes and what we still have in the tank as athletes. We are naive about these things at times. I think this is one of those situations that an athlete is being naive in his thought process about his future, about who he is as a person and as a basketball player. If I'm being honest with myself as an athlete and as a person, and I look in the mirror, I can't, if I'm James Harden, I can't expect them people to give me another five years for $250 million, dog.

I don't give a fuck what he promised me sitting at the dinner table. If I'm being honest, he tell me that shit, I'm leaning at him with me thinking he a fucking liar. For sure, for facts. If I'm being honest about the, putting everything on the table and being happy with myself, fuck having a conversation with anybody else. If I'm being honest with myself in this situation,

everything that I've put on the table, the last three stops, everything that I've put on the table, why would somebody sign me up for another five for the maximum amount of money that they could possibly give me because even we're naive to my point we're naive we're naive but we're still if we just go off of the numbers 22 and 11 22 and 10 double-double led the league in assists I'm still worth that money

And the most no you're not James was four years who you are you got to put I'm gonna go here Everything in four years 200 million was the max Philly. No, no, no, no I get what you're saying But yeah, no, I get what you're saying is like the naive part, but the the part that makes it really naive is you are my guy. You know who I am, right? So you know I'm going to take a pay cut for you, and that's the problem. So that means you use our friendship to make it look good for the owner. Yeah, I can get my guy to, you know, I can get my guy to, you know, take a pay cut to make it fit. Right? So you come to me and tell me, and because we have this relationship, I do it.

Right? So, you know, one uses power. Absolutely. And that's the problem. And I think that's what really hurts James. I don't really think this is about James the kind of money James has from before From his Adidas deal. Yeah, right This ain't really about money. Not at all. I mean listen four year 200. Yeah, we cool

I can get that I can do that. But this is more about The principle like dude you you really made me you use my friendship against you like you you used that's the name You know what I mean? This is like there's no different in I get we driving in a car you got a Boy yeah You know, I mean I got a burner car and I like you you know, you know, I'm gonna strike to you You you burning you burning him you use him being know, like, he's looking up to you. And that's the problem I see James having. Like, I know I don't supposed to trust you, but I did.

And I do. But that's why you got to go to the guy who's the guy. I always make my, you got to go to the guy. You don't go to the middleman. But you had the ability and you built enough to have that relationship with him, with the owner. Mr. Poland, right? Mm-hmm. James don't have that luxury that we know of to go and be able to have that conversation. He was relying on his guy.

And like I said, if he's telling me this, you got to take the shit with a grain of salt. You have to. In these situations, we've proved that. But it's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate that if that's the way it transpired, that he relied on his man word and he back he and he and he backstabbed him so yeah that's a fucked up situation yeah all together yeah but go to your point the 200 mil

you're not gonna be i don't care how much money you've made previously if you're looking at 200 mil and now you pull this bullshit on me no i mean that's what i'm saying on the way out on the way out and this could be my last big deal of my career, and I've been riding with you. Like, listen, we see how just, like, we negotiating, and you not negotiating with me fast enough. You see how that looks. You know, like, you didn't offer me.

We know how that looks. Imagine a man saying, making you take less money to get it in the back end, and he don't want to give you the back end. You know what I mean? I guess it's fucked up, but... Let me do that to Drake. Yeah, I got it.

I got it. I got a mail for you. 500 up front, five in the back. Give him the five up front. He do a whole concert. And be like, yeah, man, about that back end. I ain't got you. Right? Oh, boy. five up front he do a whole concert and like yeah man about that backhand I ain't got you right that concert wasn't as good as yours past

but that's just where they use it but that's they use it they do they use it man like I said it's an unfortunate situation that he's in but he's in it. Multiple moving parts, multiple people at fault. Mm-hmm. What you gonna do at this point? But that's what I said. Like, we can, like, the media, we can sit here and say whatever we want about James, but I know 1,000%.

Philly can say whatever they want. There's no way Philly wants him on that court. They already know there's nothing good that's going to come out of it. We've seen game six or seven in the playoffs, and he took, what, two, three shots, didn't take none in the fourth quarter. If he's playing this year to start off, I'm expecting this type of performance. So there's no reason that I'm going to put him on the court. I can sit there like, yeah, you're not going to embarrass yourself. I don't know that. But I know

if you're going out there doing what you did the last game, that does affect our start off. We start off 0-10. Nah. So there's no way Philly Duffy is going to put them on the court. So why are you guys making this a deal? Like, whatever you're going to do, do it. Do it. Leave us the fuck alone so we can talk about some shit that's really popping in the... Bottle wars.

Yeah, water wars in the club. Yeah. Harden has made it clear he wants to go to the Clippers. Trade talks between the Clippers and Sixers installed. Apparently, they're back on the phone talking with each other. But the holdup is the Clippers don't want to come off a Terrence Mann. Who? Terrence Mann.

From Miami? No. From the Clippers. Do you have some respect to the other team in Los Angeles? You know Terrence Mann. Believe the Sixers want Terrence Mayer to first. Yo, we got to start doing

the random faces for him to see if he know what team they play on. Who he play for. Wait, wait, wait. Who he play for. Because we got to, because he don't know.

I'm going to feel that shit too, though. They don't want to come off of. These are just reports, guys. You know, I just want. And who else? I think it's Terrence Mayer to first and maybe some other pieces

to try to get Harden. They got to do something to make the contracts match. I like it. I like it. Harden to the Clippers. I like it. You got to give...

Does Terrence Mann start? No, no. I mean, I think Westbrook... No, he wasn't starting much. A whole L.A. team. We got a whole L.A. team. Yeah, we'll have a whole L.A. team.

Kawhi, PG, Russ. From I.E., Palmdale. Yeah, it's all L.A team. Kawhi, PG, Russ. IE, Poundell. Yeah, it's all LA. Every corner. It's Southern California. So Clippers don't want to give up a bench dude in two first... For 22 and 10. Because guess what?

Because guess what? Because he's a free agent. Now, fuck that. If he come here, he ain't averaging 22 and 10. And that's why... Because guess what? That's why the clip... Because guess what? Because he's a free agent. Now, fuck that. If he come here, he ain't averaging 22 and 10. What the fuck are y'all missing? He ain't going to average what the bitch do to average it?

How much does man... He won't average 22 and 10. How much does man average? It won't... He won't average 22 and 10. He might average... He going to average what? He can average 15 and 10.

I mean, he got shooters. He got shooters, so they going to... He got who? He got scorers. He got scorers. He got scorers. Nah, nah. Kawhi can shoot that thing.

Kawhi's not a catch-and-shoot guy. He can shoot it. He can catch a little bit. Have you seen where he got his 10 assists from before? We were surprised how they got it. So Terrence Mann, nine points, four rebounds. He can do better than that. 23 minutes rebounds. He can do better than that. 23 minutes a game.

He can do better than that. But if you're Harden, why would you want to come to that? Because you know what Terrence Mann does that James don't do? What, defense? Play hard as fuck all the time, and he defend. Hey, he play hard. He give a fuck. Hey, man, listen.

I'm just saying. If I'm Philly, man, listen. I'm just saying. If I'm Philly, man, listen. If I know Lawrence Frank like I think I do. He won't. Philly won't him? I don't think Lawrence Frank is talking to them about this. They just calling him? I'm just saying, man.

I don't. Where the. So where does he go? Where the reports? Are you going to go to Houston? So question, question. Nightclub. Question for you, Kenya.

13. 13. He got his own club. If you're a contender this season. He's got a bowling out in the club in the restaurant. 13. Absolutely. That's where he's at every, yeah.

I've seen him, yeah. That's next level. Nice, too. Kenya, if you're a contender this season, what value will James Harden bring to your team, do you feel like? I don't think he does. He coming to the Clippers.

I don't think he brings value to a team that's contended because he, his demand, the way he has to play the game to be effective, he needs the ball in his hand. So now if you're a contender team, you already have pieces in place. You have stars, you have guys who's stuck in their ways, need the ball in their hand to score. If you trade for them, you got to make a trade so you got to give something up that you've already relying on, right? That's what the contender team, that's what it is. Are you willing to blow your team up, so to speak, and you fight for something, but James Harden, you don't know what James Harden you gonna get blowing up a table one person

The question was a contending team hmm, what value does James bring to a contending team? I ain't just talking about the clip. I'm talking about team just fight for some Teams that that we think over the last couple years are teams that's right there right now. What? Just say if it's an up-and-coming team that's good. So God forbid a team suffers an injury and they're contending and they need James to fill that void,

would you see a move being made? There may be. But maybe, in that case, absolutely. Yes. A young team, you can't bring case, absolutely. Yes. Okay. A young team, you can't bring them to it. If you're drafting young and you're fighting for the future, you're not putting them around young talent

because of the other things that we know, right? Damn, but what I'm saying is if you're the Clippers and you're giving up a hustle man. Because we're talking basketball, dog. I know, but knowing your team, though, knowing your team and the stars you have... The history of your team. Right?

You have two stars that usually are going to miss a lot of games. And what usually happens is you don't have enough scoring to what's-her-name. So if you have a backup dude who can put buckets in the basket when those stars is out

And this is what I got to give up And that's been your name to start so this is logic behind the same two guys miss a lot of time last year We was the fifth seed You know, but now imagine if we had James the whole time. We don't need to be a 50. No, we would have been 13 not necessary Him and Russ. I mean don't need James to be a fifth seed. No, I don't. We would have been third team. Not necessary. Him and Russ? I mean. Don't work, man.

We talking about. I'm just. That's what I'm saying. I'm just trying to figure out. I'm looking at the game of basketball in 2023. I'm like, what am I giving? I'm just saying, what am I giving? Like, I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up.

To bring. Coming off the bench 23 minutes, nine and four. And to take on 36 million. And we ain't no guarantees in it? Ain't no telling what James is going to get? I got 175 toilets in my new arena. That's the new arena. That's the new arena.

I'm doing a whole bunch of pointless shit anyway. That's the new arena. I'm doing a whole bunch of pointless shit anyway. We're talking about 2023. We're talking about this. 2023, 2024 basketball season we're talking about right here. I can't turn KJ into 9-4. I can't turn him into main.

That's what I'm saying. What am I losing? What are you gaining? It's what you're getting back in this. I'm getting a possible 22- 10 if these two guys go out. If they don't go out, 15 and 5. 15 and 11, yeah. So my question for you, if you harden now,

why would you want to go into that situation if you're trying to get some bread? Because that's where you want to come anyway. But you're going to be a free agent next year. You're trying to get that last good deal. That's what I'm saying. What are those numbers going to look like trying to play with 4-1-C-G? But that's what I'm saying. The numbers gonna look like trying to play with us but that's what I'm saying the fact that this is where

he wants to come it is not about money then right if this is where he wants to if I know this is where I'm going and my numbers gonna drop and I know I'm not gonna sign the max then it can't be about money at this point with him this is just a principle move yeah I want to play like this is a principle move like this is like me going on my principal move. Yeah, like, I want to play. Like, this is just a principal move. Like, this is like me going on my contract year and I'm like, all right, I want to go to Golden State. And I know Steph and Clay there. I know I'm not signing Max.

I know I might not even get a four-year, $100 million deal. So what is the real reason? To win a championship. Come home. Come home. Play with my boys. terrorize the city. Bar-barbaricode, gotta open it back up.

Back to my point I'm making. We're talking about basketball here. Get it, Craig. Yeah, I just, yeah, no, no, what I'm saying is like, I'm saying like- We're talking about basketball here. Like, you know, I don't have to give up. I don't have to give up a star. I don't really have to give up something that I'm going to miss because I can replace that with...

The Clippers are going to need something. I mean, Paul and Kawhi ain't playing the whole season. No, that's what I'm saying. We're going to make up for that. So you have now go with Harden and Russ. Is that insurance policy? That's the only reason I would do it, because of the insurance policy. Like, I'd rather have them knowing that if they do miss

and, you know, there's going to be like a 10, 15-game stretch where I might need some more scoring, that's where it is. Other than that, I'm expecting him to come in average 15 and 5. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't even know if I start that team. I don't even know how all of them start. And does James...

Now we're talking basketball. Yeah, yeah. I don't even know, like... So now we're talking basketball. Like, it made sense... So who comes off the bench? So you're going to ask James to come off the bench? Russ. No, Russ will come off what so you gonna ask James come off the bench Russ

Russell come off. I mean Russell come off Why Russ got a sacrifice now? I know but I see now we That's cool because It's coming to hit his wife cuz he did it before like no shit ain't never okay never I got what Gus cuz he did the man a former MVP. And none of them can play four? And let's stop the bullshit, you know what I'm saying? Let's stop it. None of them can play four?

I mean, they were trying to throw Russ at the four, I can see. But you know what I'm saying? You can put James at the one and Kawhi at the... So now you're asking dudes to do shit now, and now it's fucking with them. But I don't fucking with the morale of me and the team, because you asked me to come out the bench, and I'm like, you asked me to come out with the bench. Now I'm like, fuck your bench. I want to start.

Now I think... Like, see, I thought the whole time they were like, it was going to be like Russ being traded with... Like, you know what? It made sense, but the fact that he's coming is like, ooh. That's... What? James at the one, Kawhi and Paul at the two and three.

James is a willing passer. You're acting like this guy is not a willing passer at the end of the day. He's one, two and three. James is a willing passer. You're acting like this guy is not a willing passer at the end of the day. He's one, two, three. I mean, you can go small. I mean, listen. You can go small. The Clippers got to do something. You got to go small.

If not, then it's just, okay, fight for fifth and sixth. You got to go small. Did you move PG to the four? Did you move PG to the four for defensive? See, but I don't even think they're going to play that many games. I mean, I don't know. It only hurts the team if P.G. and them play the whole season. That's the fucked up part.

We're going into this. No, they're probably not going to play the whole year anyway. Man, if I'm the Lakers, man. If I'm the Lakers. Fuck it, huh? Woo! I get it, huh? Pull the trigger.

You could probably go D-Lo and Gabe. As soon as D-Lo said he wanted to be Derek, oh, no. No. Derek White? Hell no. He said he wanted to be Derek White? Yeah. As soon as he said we done had Ice Vane all preseason.

You should have known. Ice Vane coming out here like, yeah, got my D-Lo back. You should have been, no. Soon as he said, ah, yeah, I want to be him. You can't trust anybody that snitches on Nick Young. No, I'm just saying, him, your second year in the league was his best year. Your second year was his best year. Why would you want to be your second year again? No, man, hell no.

I like that. I like that. Both of them for James. I like that. No, why not? You ain't got you guys have nothing else out here. It's just gonna be me talking and Gil all year about our team Let's go get ugly for y'all. You know, you know, we look good Rob on the phone You know you we look bad when he can have a whole meal. He ain't got to stand up, know nothing. He ain't celebrate because he know ain't no highlights coming. Let me go ahead and eat my pasta for the night. You talking about Brian? It's about to be a rough couple of years for Brian. These last two.

No, no, no. We all right. These last two about to be rough. I mean, no, he going to go out right now. Listen, he going to get his farewell. But, man, he going to go out right now. Listen, he going to get his farewell. But, man, he going to go out like top three in the West right now. Right now? Lakers?

The who? West? Y'all not even top five. We will be. Y'all not even top five. Don't do that. Don't do that. You Phoenix.

Don't do that. You Phoenix. Do not do that. I'm Phoenix, too. No, you're one team. Multiple teams. No, I'm Bucs. No, you're one team. Multiple teams. You Phoenix. No, I'm Bucks.

No, you're Dame. I'm Dame. You're Dame. You're Dame. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm Dame. I'm Russ. I'm Dame.

I'm Russ. And then Lakers and the Suns. God, this guy. Just take all 30? Huh? This guy. Just take all 30? No, no, no, no.

We got to have principles, Steve. Okay? We got to have principles. I'm going to say, some teams is never getting talked about on this podcast. They can just forget about it. They know that. Let's go Dame. They know that.

Let's go Dame. Some teams will never get mentioned on this podcast. Let's go Russ. We shoot in Los Angeles. Do with that information what you will. Now, we got to bring some other change in the mix. I feel bad sometimes. Yeah, we can bring in Indiana Pacers.

Listen, man, once January come, I'm going to be sitting up here just laughing at all y'all. We'll see. You ain't going to be laughing when it's up. You can't be laughing at me. That's my hope. Listen. No, no, no.

He said right now. You said top three, right? Yeah, right now. I took an edible before the show. Let me preface. No, don't do that. But that no, no. He said right now. You said top three, right? Yeah, right now. I took an edible before the show. Let me preface. No, don't do that. But that is my hope. Yeah, okay.

I'm with it. No, I'm with it. There's nothing wrong with having faith in your team. I just wanted the clarification. I just needed some clarification. LeBron, you're 21. Just make sure that's what you're saying out your mouth. NBA support.

The NBA got our back. Adam Silver knows where his money coming from. Yes. And he also knows the talent that they got over there. You don't like that squad? They're okay. Top three. No, not top three.

We have bodies now. The Chicago Bulls? Shit, I'm a body. The what? Get out there. Get out there. I'm like, if you're Philly, do you make a Chicago Bulls? Who's that?

Oh, that wouldn't be bad either. That wouldn't be bad either. That wouldn't be bad either. I'm trying to see a team that, like, they got good players, but they're not going to go nowhere right now. You know, you got the Rosen and Zach over there. If you them, do you make a play for that and say, shut up? Go all LA with them? Oh, I like that.

James over there and Chicago? No, no, no. No, yeah, James and Chicago and then Philly get back like Zach or the Rosen. James with DeMar. I'm all for LA. Wait, wait, wait. They, and then Philly get back like Zach or DeRozan. I'm all for L.A. Wait, wait, wait. Both or just one of them? Now, you got to keep DeMar. Oh, shit.

I'm thinking different. What are you thinking? The big fella with DeMar and fucking Zach. Oh, you? Oh, um, um, um, uh, uh, Boots. No, that's what I'm saying. You trade them and bring them over to Philly. You both for them for James I don't think I do both

What's that but well you trade in be no no no if I trade cargo No, listen, okay. Let's say you know if I trade no if I don't If I dream if I trade James and Tobias For the Rosen and... And what, Zach? No way. Why not? James and Tobias is not better than Damar and Zach. I know. I'm... No, no, no. I'm Philly. I want to get rid of these two for them

too. Yeah, but I don't think... He come off your books and Tobias come off your books, and then you back to rebuilding. Chicago not doing it. Then you back rebuilding. You got Tyrese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But... To the Congo not Chicago not doing then you back rebuilding you got Tyrese But no no I would be upset if somebody trade for Tobias Harris, we're gonna be talking We're gonna be talking about this hell or many Levine come on. Yeah

God put some more respect on this. So those of you who watch the show and been supporting us, you know we've been doing our hot take time machine, jumping into the old school debates and some new school topics as well. We got one coming this Thursday. We got Gil. Ken, you'll be here too. So we'll ask Brandon. I don't need your opinions.

Last week you went a little too hard with the information. Really, it staggered us come Thursday. So Brandon, just Brandon, because you're not going to be here tomorrow. Harder to guard, Kyrie or AI? Harder to guard, Kyrie or AI. I truly think it depends on how do you want this 50-point game.

Do you want it straight at you, full speed, or do you want it side- side by side footwork in the post um i just think it depends on how you want 50 points to put on your head but it's coming either way it's gonna come either way so one with ai you got to be in shape for sure you got to be able to run around all all game um a lot of a lot of in the paint points kairi's more you know he's you know it's like putting together a song with Kyrie. And it just depends on how you want it. So I really can't pick.

It just depends on how you want it. Got you over there. Mind turning. You tell me. You tell me. We're about to do mine. So I'll do mine. So do you have to pick?

Do you have to pick or you can give Brandon his answer? You said you can't. Brandon didn't pick. He did pick. I think the hardest would be Kyrie because of the way it looks. He's just going to have you all over the place. I think just the way it's going to look. From a more embarrassment standpoint? Yeah, Kyrie.

Okay. So, Gil, we'll get into it tomorrow. This is Gil's arena. You know you can interrupt me whenever you want to do whatever you want. All you got to do is put the hand out. That's my cue stop talking But To our last segment of day mostly fans presented by underdog fantasy download the app use promo code Gil They'll match your first deposit up to $500

We've been really going hard for underdog. We need that cam and mace bag. I'm just gonna throw it out there again We need to go to Vegas on doing an in-season tournament. We need to That's one guy I need to hook that up in in season turn always be in Vegas after win Land about a tail can run up the room charge tower suites and go to that Chinese restaurant. That's up the thing Hey, I'm gonna tell, hey, man, whatever day y'all on, we, uh... Hey, the wind be bullshitting, though. They live, so... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But the way he's determined, I think it'd be dope.

We got an advantage. Bring both shows out there. The worst is that the wind, you try to make reservations and we're completely booked for the night. It's like it's 3.30 in the afternoon.

Nah, you gotta... Nah, you gotta... Listen, Delilah, everything we good. Nah, I do it under Gil's name. Yeah, that's... Yeah. I just put it on the room,

Underdog. Yeah, we going. Underdog got it for me. I'm B. Jam. Mr. B. Mr. B. Yeah, that's... Yeah. I just put it on the room, Underdog. Yeah, we're going. Underdog got it for me. I'm B. Jam. Mr. B. Mr. B. and Megan. Mr. B. A sight to behold.

So our first question comes from Underdog. No, go ahead, dog. I was about to say. Do your thing, killer. First question comes from Underdog, username ZA139. It says, what young players or player do you think will have a breakout year? That already hasn't had one? Or more breakout?

I mean, Jordan Poole. Jordan Poole, Maxie. Those are the two I'm going with. I'm going to go with the two rookies we talked about. Chet and Bates that we talked about earlier. Okay, Imani. Imani Bates, yeah. Okay, Imani, Gravo. Imani, Bates, yeah. Okay.

I'm going with those two. Is Chet a rookie, though? Redshirt rookie? Redshirt rookie. Chet's my guy. He shouldn't be allowed to win a rookie of the year. Let me just say that. But break out of your year, Jordan Poole with ultimate freedom is, oh, let me just say that. But, break out of here, yeah, Jordan Poole with

ultimate freedom is, oh my God. He had freedom over there, but it was a little, it wasn't, Jesus boy. Yeah, I'm going to go with Jordan Poole. He going, yeah, he might lead the league in scoring.

Alright, next question. I know. Because if he get the yeah No, he ain't got look over his shoulder. You know who? Mmm. Did Darren to Fox have a breakout year last year? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I was gonna say him at or The kid McKay bridges to continue what he did at the end of the year yeah, like that's Can he do it if he doing that, that's my, yeah.

Can Zion technically have a breakout year if he stayed healthy? Yes. If he just stays healthy. Yes. If he stays healthy the whole season and he just do the 27 and 7, that's a breakout year, right? Yeah. He got to play 65 or more. How many games does he have to play in order for it to count as a breakout year?

65. 65 is the threat, so let's put it on 65 games for Zion. If he do it in 55, we're not going to feel that way? No. If he did 35 in 55? No, he did 65. If he did, what, 29, whatever it was. If he doubles, that's 58.

No, 65. He do 65. That's considered a breakout year. Zion, pull up to the show again. That might be most improved. Yeah. So, next question comes from Underdog, username ZayThomas. Who's a player you wish you had the opportunity to play with

during your careers and why? And also, what current player do you wish you had the opportunity to play with and why? Send them 100 for the two questions. We're trying to bankrupt you underdog unless y'all send it to the in season tournament probably probably probably cold which feel right just to see them the the mindset like the like just for the like the everyday stuff the locker room, you know how they prepare, you know

Seeing what the Zen master what made him great All right, you know That's that's why I just I just want to be able to get under the hood and just see it all like What if you saw it though if it was trash? At least I got that answer. I'm not saying he is. I just got the answer. You know, I guess when you think of people at the top, you want to know what they was doing that you wasn't.

Now, probably Steve Kerr, right? Just to see they work out every day. Like what, are they working out? Like what is, what is, how did you get them, these players, good enough to be stars when for the most part they wasn't, they wasn't elite, right? They were created into elite players. So I want to know like what was the regimen? What were y'all doing every single day

to get them to this point? I think for me, I don't really have a player that I would have wanted to play with. I think just a coach, probably been what's the

son's coach? Money? No, for – Earl? With Steve Nash. Oh, D'Antoni. D'Antoni. Yeah, D'Antoni.

Shout out Earl Watson. Earl Watson? Sure. Earl let you cook. Get that 70. Yeah, I know. Get that 70 too. Yeah, I think D'Antoni, my rookie year with the Knicks,

I think if I would have played for him, that 55 in the garden would Have been different. Who's a player though that He said he said Wasn't really players I think just coaches like and then like currently like currently today like pop Like I would just want to just get the knowledge from pop Is there no young player that you got playing now you rock with that? I will love I mean, I mean if anything right now

I would Like I feel like I would be like a Patrick Beverly, so I would want to go to Golden State and play. Just like be the backup or something like that. Oh, you're talking about now? Yeah, yeah. Right now, as you play, not like when you were scoring yourself? No, no.

Because he said currently. He said what? Well, I'm just saying player, current player, that you wish you had the opportunity to play with at the height of Mr. B, who's a guy in the league now, you'd be like, I could rock with that dude. Probably Darius Garland. Darius Garland, like, I love that kid.

Like, yeah. Like, that's one kid I'm ready to see, like, break out. Darius Garland. You got to go look at his highlights. Kenny, how out yourself? The mellow ball. I was about to say the same shit for him. I was hoping you was going to say KJ.

No, I was going to say... That's the easiest choice, my son. I knew that. I knew he was going to say that, Darius. He's looking for it. Who? Who going to throw that motherfucker up there? Who going to pass the bat there for him?

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I was like, I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. I was like, I'm going to pass the bat there. He's looking for all who who don't throw them up. Yes

Had you yeah, Jason Jason kid Andre mill over like a little bit. I play Jason kid Andre Miller Oh, we got your Andre Miller to pull up some sick, bro Andre Miller is a legend where they don't have 50 points without three-point shot. One of the biggest legends. LA. Yeah, cuz. What's up, man? The curl. Yeah, cuz. What's up, cuz? Still in the curl.

Still with the curl. Yeah, I would, yeah. I'm sitting easy choice for me to say KJ, of course. Okay. I don't want to say him, but nah. Hey, LaMelo. I would just love to see you and KJ dunk on the same person. I don't know who that person, but you know, like Ken Griffey Jr. seeing where they hit

the home run. Obviously, nah, that's..., but, you know, like Ken Griffey Jr. seeing where they hit the home run off the bench. Yeah, we got bodies, though. We got bodies as a family. We got bodies. We got bodies now. We're tapping heads right here, Jack. I'm going Steven Adams as a player. Okay.

Take the ball out, set picks. Shit, you play with a few of those. I know, that's why. Take the ball out, set good picks. Yeah, you play with a few. You ain't got to argue. You ain't going to say nothing. Yeah, you play with a few of those. I know, that's why. Take the ball out, set good picks. Yeah, you play with a few logs. You ain't got to argue, you ain't going to say nothing. Yeah, you play with a few logs. My favorite big guy.

My mother started talking, hey, get him. Hey, you play with a few logs out there. Get him, Aquaman. The guy just in the way. Yeah. Taking up space in the way. My favorite big to ever play with was Kurt Thomas. Oh, Kurt get you open.

That's why I was getting off. Oh, Kurt get you open. Yeah. Kurt, young fella, he was like, young fella, just relax. Just calm down. Just relax, young fella. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? He's like, was getting off. Oh, could get you open. Yeah young fella. Yeah, just relax. Just calm down. Just relax He's like got him

And they got to pay you do with KT knocking it back 10 to 10 and 11 with me. Hey pick a roll. Come back. He's like come back get a young fella No, Katie not that thing. Danny. Go get you open. Yeah last question for y'all. This might start some controversy You have mass, brace yourself. This comes from underdog username HolyDrip. He said, I'm a Maverick fan. Is Luka just a new version of Harden in Houston, and can we win a championship with his play style?

So is Luka just a new version of Harden in Houston, and can we win a championship with his play style? Yes, no. It has potential to be that. Huh no. It has potential to be that. Huh? It has the potential to be that, Harden. Yeah. If he's not it yet?

Yeah. He has the potential to be that. Yeah, absolutely. The way he plays. Because he dominates the ball a lot. Dominates no defense. No. Right.

So, I mean. It's going to be, I feel like it's going to be a lot of players like Harden, like, coming up. I don't. There's not a lot of good teams. They're taking the ball out of the guys' hands now. Yeah, they're trying to run them in the, what was that, weave type of offenses. They're taking the ball out of the guys' hands.

They're not letting you dominate the ball no more Yeah, that ball moving you got to be fishing in your approach now Jack I'm saying if you're gonna get this you got certain guys gonna get the looks like you don't get certain shots But you got to be a fish in your approach and I take the ball out your hand I think about like two more years to try to figure it out because I what is he 25? I don't even think he's that yet no 20 it's soundbar right 24 25 now he ain't kj he turned 25 in february 24 25 so yeah this is that time now like because but once you're 27 and you're still doing the same thing it's kind of like all right you stuck yeah it's like all right like we know what we've So, is he, unless they make major moves in Dallas.

Well, I feel like they'll get. The next two, three years, do they? The only person that'll probably be out is Kyrie. Yeah, Kyrie. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, probably in a year or two. Kyrie'll probably get moved on. And what do you do from there?

We don't know. It's all up in the air, but what do you do from there? If I'm Dallas, I'm trying to go get Embiid. You got to make that move now, though. I mean, right now. Those moves have to be made now. Today. Well. Before the season.

This season. In order for you to have a shot next year and the year after, you got to do that shit now. I'm sure they'll figure it out. At pieces. Or Luka, I mean, because you can't lose Luka. He's not going to lose Luka. Yeah, so it's like, you know, or does Luka just stay and then he just ends up being Dirk later on in his career?

Like, they end up getting some pieces? No, I mean, that's usually what's going to... You think Luka stays there? Yeah, for sure. It's a difference. Yeah. You can put pieces around Dirk. You can put pieces around Luka, too.

Luka needs the ball in his hand. You think Luka will stay in the back? No, this is one thing you... So let me ask you this. So the question is, is he the new James Harden, right? Since James has dominated the ball the way he has and manipulated the game the way he has in order for his number stats and all that stuff points and assists What has come of it?

Western Conference besides stats Western Conference finals and Going out and missing 27 straight threes in the game as a team. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah Yeah, but I'm just saying like it did have sick, but it did have success though in Houston Oh, they could make one under 27? That shit still hurts. But it did, but it still, but we still got to the Western Conference Finals, though. Is that the, that's what teams aim for now?

No, no, but I'm just saying, for that type of style, for people to say that it's bad, it still got me farther than a lot of guys. Like, Western Conference. So, of all the teams that's played, of all the examples, that's one situation he made to one Weston Conference Finals.

Well, I mean, he made a couple with OKC, been to the finals, and he was a big part of that. What did he have around him? He didn't dominate the ball. I said, since James Harden has dominated the ball

the way he has, he didn't dominate the ball. His ratio was crazy at OK, see though, but he Like what did I ask him question? Yeah, did I dance? No. Yes, since he's damn Hey, get up dance around this motherfucker. You're not answering my question What I Mean so Luke so to Lucas skill set right, mm-hmm

great individual talent Yes, James-hmm great individual talent Yes, James Harden great individual talent That don't equate To that because you if you look at the teams that wins The team assists number is what I mean, I was 20 30 I mean, he's a that means James supporting the Cavs was trash. No, no, no. He didn't play with nobody.

He ain't got nobody in Houston. But my point is the ball don't move. Well, nobody in Houston with James. The ball don't move. No, no, but that's something that you need to really think about. For them to do what they do, that means the team ain't that good. So by the time they get a certain age, that's all they know. Yeah.

So when they do get other players that they need to conform to, they don't know how. Stripes on a zebra. So there has to be a point where, like, if you're going to try to break Luka, you're going to have to do it now. Right?

Because you let him get to 27, 28, and he done got all these accolades, and now you're talking about he might have a scoring title and up It's gonna be hard to break him at that point like trying to say win the championship Mmm, there's a lot. I mean, I mean, I just feel like okay. I Just feel like when Houston if CP 3 doesn't get hurt in game 6. I they might be go to stay Like like you know I said so it's like that it was working

It was there was just one little but as I'm saying, So it's like, it was working. There was just one little piece away. But think about the success individually that he's had after that. You know, MVP,

scoring titles, it's kind of hard to rewind it back. So if you don't see that, okay, to build a team, I'm going to have to cut them off now

or start bringing pieces in where he starts relying on other people because once he starts averaging 33, 30, you know what I'm going to have to cut him off now. Start bringing pieces in where he starts relying on other people. Because once he starts averaging 33, 30... You know what I'm saying? Like, what James did is rare to go from 30 to 22. Right?

But you see how just the thought process of that, you can see what happens at the end of the game where he's not existing. Because he's probably looking like, oh, I haven't already shot enough. I don't need to shoot no more when that's when you probably need him at his best. So he needs to conform now on how to share and be part of a team. So if Luca don't- If that ball ain't doing, you're not winning, dog. I'm just saying. I'm just-

Like that's what- I'm saying you're not, dog. Kyrie. LeBron came back right in time- To get that. Kyrie got to really become- Yeah, to get that yeah Yeah, so let me give you now. He's more of a winner than he is So doing that during that time you saying CP was on the team with James right there they playing Golden State I

Was doing radio at time. I had a radio show man Mike Rapport at a radio show shot out the rap This one I I didn't know that it was a thing that they was taking stats on dribbles, a game. Like, how many dribbles per game one individual player had. Mm-hmm. Right? Doing these two, so they gave the stat on Steph and Klay, CP and James.

It was double the amount of dribbles that them dudes had had. And like, it was astronomical. Like, it wasn't close. Like, it was like low 400s and like damn near 900. Like, crazy.

To the point, like, if that ball ain't, and you look at the stats and you go to one number and it's the assist column. Every night, Golden State, 28, 29. You look at the, James got assists, CP got,

it ain't both of them each night. You know what I'm saying? One night James will have a lot of assists, one night CP will have a lot of assists. That's just the way it is. It ain't a consistent thing. And if the ball ain't moving and you dominate the ball like Luka does, and now you put them in the same situation, now you got Kyrie that's doing, like, it's you go, I go.

You go, I go. You go, I go. You run the pick and roll, I run the pick and roll. It's that. So it's the same situation that you've put him in now. And to Gil's point, if you gonna do it, you gotta do it now. You gotta make him get off the ball now and start playing in other spots on the floor

without the ball. Make him come to the ball, make him get off of it, use the screen. But he can't physically do it. I'm just saying, because they prove it, they serve it, he just, that's what I've heard over time, that he ain't

always in the best shape. They can't run him like they gotta do. Embarrassed, of course. So what do you do now? The only other thing he gets to do is let him pound that bitch and run a pick and roll and let him going to put that That's the next thing to do in order for him to be successful because that's what you've seen over time You know nothing else. Mm-hmm What a great show yeah, we really took it did my bad no you good

The fans appreciate it. Yeah, we supposed to only go like our have to our we, two hours. We always go about 2.15, 2.20, 2.30 because when the conversation gets good, we keep this thing moving. It was a great show today. Shout out to Underdog Fantasy for helping us keep this thing going. Shout out to Gil, Brandon, I'll see y'all Monday. Well, bros, we'll be back tomorrow.

Vegas. Send us to Vegas. Send us to Vegas, please. I want to run it up. I just got a seat warmer on. I just got a seat warmer on. Thank you. you