Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Says Kyrie Will DOMINATE The NBA Finals

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

Gil's Arena Says Kyrie Will DOMINATE The NBA Finals as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew preview the finals matchup between the Boston Celtics & Dallas Mavericks and give their picks for the unsung heroes that will define the series like Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, PJ Washington and Derrick Jones Jr. They also break down how Kyrie Irving will impact the series and discuss what version of Kyrie will show up in the finals before reacting to LeBron James' recent comments on his former teammate, sparking a debate on if the King will find a way to team up with Irving once more before the end of his career. Finally, the crew reacts to the viral cast of doppelgängers on the Los Angeles Clippers show and give their opinion on James Harden's desire to be remembered as a winner despite making just 1 NBA Finals so far in his career.Please consider giving us a like and subscribe!!! Today's Crew - Rashad McCants & Kenyon Martin Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $250 in Bonus Cash AND A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@GilsArena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! - https://discord.gg/underdog APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ CHAPTERS: Intro 0:00:00 Cemetary Larry Burys Freedom 0:02:06 Nastiest Body Bag Play You've Ever Seen 0:07:47 Clippers New TV Show 0:13:18 Harden Wants To Be Remembered As A Winner 0:20:19 Top 5 SGs In NBA History 0:39:02 Old School Hoopers' Terrible Shooting Percentage 1:07:14 Kyrie Is The Most Gifted NBA Player Ever 1:12:16 Comparing Kobe & MJ 1:28:05 What Would A Title Without LeBron Mean For Kyrie? 1:41:20 What Version of Kyrie Will We Get In The NBA Finals 1:49:38 Gil & Rashad Disagree Over The Celtics Game Plan 1:58:38 MostlyFans 2:28:05 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart. Groceries that over-deliver. Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoa, whoa! Ha, ha, ha! Why you do freedom like that, Sean? Because his daddy don't listen.

Put your foot in the bag! His daddy don't listen. His daddy don't listen. We're gonna start the show with a moment of silence for Freedom of the Dog. Had a good run. Loyal to his master. Did not see it. Did not make it through. That's funny.

He looking at it like this. Man. Not the dog side. Sorry we late y'all. I had to run to the store right quick. There you go. There you go. Man. Not the dog sound. Sorry we late, y'all. I had to run to the store right quick. There you go, there you go.

But I'm here now. That's cool. This is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. Cemetery Larry. Championship Charles. Rashad McCann's back in the building. Joker or Mello?

Come on. Oh, yeah, come on now. I just had a check. Our era, man. I had a check. That man had an attack. I had a check. It was an attack on our era, man. I had a check.

It was an attack on our era, man. Making sure we all on the same page. Come on, man. Mello represents the era. You don't got a Mello jersey in here, Gil. I had a high school one. Okay. He can sign one when he comes on the show.

Man, a high school and a McDonald's one. Mm. And we got Kenya Martin back in the arena. Thank you very much. Melo, we need you to sign a jersey when you pull up. No, I got a high school and a, didn't I just say I had a high school and a McDonald's one? Okay, we need the Nuggets one signed. The three piece. What's up with No, I got a high school in, didn't I just say I had a high school in McDonald's? Okay, we need the nuggets, my son.

The three piece. What's up with you K-Mart, you good? Sure, I'm good. Okay, we've been at your house all week, brother. Turning up, plotting on all of you. Plotting on all y'all. Everybody else out there, winter is coming. Oh, they gonna be mad.

Oh yeah. Oh, they gonna be big mad. There's gonna be a lot of hurt feelings. Facts. In this 2024. Cat Williams already warned y'all, though. But as a reminder, we now have two viewing options for the show, our traditional version and a vertical mobile version

for everybody watching on their phones. So pick whichever one you want to watch, but just make sure you tap in with your favorite basketball show here on YouTube. Here's what's cracking in the arena today. So there will be plenty of star power in the NBA finals, but which role players will be the biggest X factors for the Mavs and Celtics?

James Harden says he wants to be remembered as a winner, but will he be? And LeBron called Kyrie the most gifted player the league has ever seen, but which version of Ky should we expect in the finals? We're going to discuss it. I think he's a winner. The record reflects it.

But you know how the internet does. People don't like numbers and facts. But before we get into all that, as always, the show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. Do yourself a favor. Download the app. Use promo code GILL, and you can receive up to $250 in bonus cash plus a special pick-em.

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of the NBA finals. So our eight picks on Thursday will be as follows. One underdog special, two from GILL because it is his show, one from Brandon, one from Rashad,

one from Kenyon, one from myself, and a special producer pick as you know our producers have been... Can we and a special producer pick. As you know, our producers have been... Or... Can we get a Lexi pick? How does that work?

No. No, Jonte. No, Jonte. No, Jonte. Okay. No, Jonte. You mean it's a WNBA? Don't sleep on me. I made a pick three yesterday.

What I'm saying is, even if it's on the NBA? I don't know. But it was in another sport, right? We got to talk to Adam Silver. Okay. I'm just asking. I'm just asking. You know, they probably wondering, too.

Just asking. Lexi on the show does not use underdog fantasy. That's a lot. Eight is a lot. As always, we do mostly fans at the end of every show, sometimes at the beginning as well. If you drop a good question in the chat with your underdog fantasy username, man, we use it on the show. You get a $50 bonus to your Underdog Fantasy account. And we have a

special request for you today. Send us your best questions about this year's Mav Celtics NBA Finals for our show tomorrow. We're answering a ton of fan questions related to the finals. So send them in today. Help our producers get their minds right, get prepared, and it could be featured on the show tomorrow.

And with that in mind, we do the show live four times a week on YouTube. If you can't watch it with us, here on this beautiful platform, we've got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So we normally do Mostly Fans at the end of the show. We're going to start today

with a Mostly Fan question at the beginning of the show that has some special significance. It's from underdog user Zedarian. Hey, Rashad going crazy with these body bags. What's the nastiest body bag play you ever seen? So what is the nastiest body bag play you've ever seen? Robert, you're good. It's your show. It is the Arena Deguibar. body bag play you've ever seen?

Robert, you good? Is your show, is the arena dead you better? I was guarding my man like I was supposed to. Don't ever leave the corner. Don't leave the corner shooter. And Allen Iverson was at the top of the key. And he made Antonio Daniels play twister.

Cha-cha. Yeah, he hit the ground, came up, hit the ground again, and then went in for the lay right in. Did you react on the court, Gil? Huh? Did you react? I did exactly what I was supposed to do. Hurry up and take the ball out and try to score before they call a timeout.

And actually dunk take the ball out and try to score before they call a timeout. And actually dunk the ball. But nah, it was one of those plays where you're like, ooh. Ooh, no. Yeah. Rashad, what's the nastiest body bag play you've ever seen? It don't gotta be in person, right?

No. Oh, the Kobe over Dwight When Kobe don't don't the whites split the pick and roll Mighty bag that man Which is good you talked about the Allen Iverson clip Made that man touch earth twice our producers have it Cover hey, hey Hey, hey, hey

No, just to show you his channel. Oh my jeez you see I didn't move not one foot. Oh God somebody called an ambulance. Oh, oh Yo, man. Ain't no three-pointer needed for that. Hey, man. Ain't no three-pointer needed for that. No, no. Y'all see I didn't move?

Yo. Shod, you said Kobe, Duncan on Dwight Howard. Mm-hmm. A.K.A. Chocolate Shoulders. Mm-hmm. Chocolate Shoulders. Mm-hmm. That was his nickname.

That shit was fire. It was much needed The basketball world needed it Kenya. What's the nastiest body bag play you've ever seen? Oh Shit Colby dunked on time McCullough in the finals God Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yeah, that showed and he put they and then then you can do with it Ain't nothing you can do once somebody get here off to cuz he and he put that ball here and let me you better move Yeah, did y'all have to watch that playing film Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah back into the left. Yeah, that's how I know I didn't move Gil So why didn't you a I, I had Kyle Crawford.

Had a shooter. Strong side of the corner. Our rule is don't leave the corner shooter. And then you're like, uh, help side, where you at? Those would be the things. Help side, where you at? You're supposed to be over. And it looked just like this, just rewinding and rewinding.

You can see Antonio Dan is just like, I'm going to keep watching. He's just going to just pointing out everybody, or something, we just can't move on to the next play. So, Shaw, you said Kobe, Dwight Howard. We have that play as a refresher for our lovely audience. Oh, you got a love SD. That's the tie. Oh!

I'mma color. Ugh. Lean on him. Eh! So, how do you not react when that's your teammate getting dunked on like that? Come on the court. If I was on the bench, probably a different story. But, Lord, Lord, Lord, look, I am, and I'm guarding a non-shoot over that motherfucker. I didn't say thank you or this.

Right? Looking down at him. And the look says it all though. Oh my God. Ugh. One more time, slow-mo. Man, you know how y'all don't have to play the whole 23 seconds? Just that boy, ah.

Okay. Just that boy. Just putting it up. I think in more contemporary times, you gotta go LeBron on Jason Terry. Obviously Norris Cole broke that down. No The Andre Jordan and fucking Brandon I was even even though any get laid there like he was hurt man Yeah, I can't I can't the guard the big on the guard, but he shouldn't jump. No, he shouldn't jump deal that kid You're pregnant about the kids works. Oh

Blake oh, yeah, oh him agolf, the one on Kitchen Perkins was disgusting. That was disgusting. Throw it in Mozgolf. Yeah, that was disgusting. Grabbed him, pulled him, that was disgusting. But the fact that dude like Brandon Knight laid there. Yeah. He hit the ground hard.

He was hurt, he was hurt. Like, he shouldn't have jumped. I should have asked him. I was like, dog, what possessed you to jump? Because you had no chance at doing nothing to affect that play. Natural reaction. Dude, get your ass out of the way. He tried to dunk you and the ball.

That Lob City era of Clippers. Very interesting. So interesting, in fact, I think it deserves a TV show. Laker's Showtime era got dramatized in HBO's Winning Time, and now the Clippers have their own series as well. Some were saying it should have been called Losing Time. Not the case. It's called Clipped. It's a docudrama centered around the Clippers saga involving former owner Donald Sterling

and his side boo, V. Stiviano, who put Sterling on blast by leaking several recorded conversations, which ultimately led to Sterling being forced to sell the team to Steve Ballmer. So the first two episodes premiered on Hulu Tuesday, and viewers couldn't help but notice some questionable casting decisions. So we've got Blake Griffin. We got J.J. Red ready to see p3 damn, okay The Andre Jordan shout out to the legend shell Bailey who portrays the Andre in the show

Doc Rivers, I think more fish burn pretty close to line up press Dean like Doc's Solid, but Steph Curry who a lot of people said he looked like Dak Prescott. Not like Steph. Shout out to the internet for that. So, obviously we've all watched a lot of television the other day. When you see casting like this, does it delegitimize the show for you, make you want to watch more?

People seem to be super excited about it. I guess it's the story. We want to hear the story itself and what transpired. Is it on Hulu? Hulu and FX. Okay, I watched two episodes. There's only two? I think two so far.

I watched two. So it'll be released weekly. I got invited last weekend to the premiere joint. I missed it. I had a lot of shit going on, but yeah, I should have walked the dog or something. It's about Sterling, right? It's about Sterling, that whole situation, that season. Oh, just the season, just not him altogether?

No, Sterling's in it. Everything. Hal Bundy, Ed O'Neal plays. Oh, okay. Oh, shit. Okay. It's got a very- Pokai. Pokailing's in it. Everything. How Bundy at O'Neal plays. Oh, okay. Oh shit. Okay. It's got a very-

Pokai. Pokai. Very good. Ain't nothing worse than Flex Washington playing Michael Jackson in the Lifetime series. It was legendary though. Can't get no worse than that. So this is going to be epic in comparison. The Michael Jordan American Hero, too. I think that was...

Or the recent Hulu with Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson, the Hulu... That shit was... I mean, it is hard because it's like the people who really look like them got to be actors, too, which is probably the hardest part. I mean, the only one that really cast great was Tupac. Yeah, but... That was really the only one.

He was playing himself. Yeah. Who? Tupac. No, no. No, I'm just... Yeah, yeah. That was really the Tupac, huh?

No, but um It's easier to get athletes to act then to get actors to be athletes yeah movie so Yeah, I mean you got some you could it's enough of them you could have dubbed some of the Clipper players Yeah, that's what like you could this is my they all look like themselves So that's kind of the yeah, but you can go find some you couldn't you couldn't get Blake or Matt Barnes and none of them to play themselves in a movie because they not realistic it did that now is reality Yeah, yeah, I make it we gotta make it film. It's Hollywood. It's magic, but it's still like it's like I saw No, no, I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say Smith like will Smith play

Ali Okay, the movie was I believe but it's the point of transforming your Make it look good that part cuz he's that somewhat of a athlete. Yeah, right will someone of that someone ever he's tall Like so he moved that you don't tell he has some DeAndre Jordan's all of 611 to do plan of six-fold Oh boy Chat Chadwick Right. Oh, it's like Jackie Robinson. Yeah, you know Ashley Michael B Jordan

He locked in he playing but he playing Creed ain't a real person. She got a transit form that that's the whole point I challenge of an actor is going in and saying who I gotta play like Jamie playing Ray Like I got a transform in the great Charles. Yeah, but that's not being an athlete I'll get it. But I'm saying, like, as an athlete, if you can play, like, the dude, when Ant Edwards did the shit in Hustle, right? It made sense because Ant's kind of playing himself, right? So he's not acting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

You got the Clippers. Play yourself. But it didn't make it a great movie because we we see like it's expected Now you're gonna do a good job because you're not playing anything you're playing yourself So when you get a challenge of playing That my even kg was in In the shit with Adam Sandler he's playing himself Yeah, Jim's you don't really have to do much. Yeah, but what if somebody else played him? Then we'll be like, yeah.

It depends on who did it. And how well they could do it. What actor's going to be 7'1"? But you know what I'm saying? It's easier to teach us to act. But it's just like, it'll be redundant for us to play ourselves. Like, we have to play. Like, if you had somebody, like one of us play Wilt, that's different. Like, we have to play... Like, if you had somebody, like, one of us play Wilt, that's different.

Like, someone play Wilt or... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what we're saying, yeah. We talking about them playing the Philz and the Clippers joint. They can go get a light-skinned dude with curly hair to play Matt, that hoop. Sharonez Jackson.

Man, from Insecure. I'm just saying, he... That's what I'm saying. He got a basketball background. Even with Jamie Foxx, he's playing someone that sings. He sings. Yeah. Makes it easier. Yeah. So, Kane, to your point about actors not being good athletes,

my dad was in White Man Can't Jump. Now, I want you guys to go back and watch that movie. Watch every Wesley Snipes scene and see how much movie magic they had to do with cutaways and whatever to make it. It's just all feet. It's just feet. Like Dwayne Martin in Butter room above the rim. He was a he was back. Yeah, you know what I mean? So

But other do like you can tell Wesley who you can tell what Harrison who There was what he was a hooper where Wesley wasn't but you can tell I do the way what it was little. Wesley had enough to make it look. No, he had enough feet. So they were doing, like, training camp for the movie. Nobody wanted to do drills with him because he was so bad. Yeah. Like, if he messed up, he had to go over again. So he caught wind of it and started cussing everybody out. Yeah, but you can tell.

He caught wind. You know, it's like, we're doing three-man weave. Everybody started backing up. They don't want to go with him. You can go ahead. Go ahead. You can go ahead. But keeping it Clipper-themed, let's talk about a current Clipper.

James Harden is currently on a European tour with Adidas. He was asked by local media how he wants to be remembered. Here's what he had to say. That I was a winner, that I was a teacher. You know what I mean? That I had a different love for the game. You know what I mean?

Put the money aside, I really enjoy and love the game of basketball and playing it. So whether it's, you know, being with the kids, you know, here or, you know, when I travel, you know, other places in Europe, when I go to China, I just want, you know, people to understand it and understand how much I really love and enjoy the game of basketball. So I saw this clip put up. I saw a lot of people, as the Internet tends to do, had a lot of negative things to say. So let's just put it all in context. In his career, Harden is an MVP, seven-time All-NBA selection, including six first teams, three-time scoring champ, two-time assist champ, sixth man of the year, and a member

of the 75th anniversary team. He has a regular season record of 697 and 375. He's never been on a team with a losing season. He's 87 to79 in the playoffs. Teams have never missed a postseason in his 15-year career. Reached the conference finals

four times, finals once, but has never won a ring. Obviously, in recent years, he's drawn criticism for forcing his way out of Houston, Brooklyn, and Philly,

whereas he mentioned he took less bread to make the team competitive than proceeded to get pump-faked by Daryl Morey. But I ask all you gentlemen on this couch, will James Harden be remembered as a winner?

I got inside news. I actually wasn't Daryl Morey. Somebody else pump faked? His owner. Damn. I guess they had a new owner? I think Ruben did sell. I forget who. Yeah, so Maury wanted to pay him,

and the owner vetoed it. Oh. And Maury was probably more embarrassed to face James and tell him the bad news, so he just... Damn, so... Do you think it was because of the numbers? That's what the owner said. I said the same shit. It was the it was because of the numbers? That's what the that's what the owner said the owner. I said the same owner

It was the owner who crunched the numbers and don't make sense more was like not for that much I'm not paying today You gave me this and you could have gave me more you just did enough to just get now But as I said, but Maury was like I don't care right let's go see already probably yeah Yeah, it's my relationship. It wasn't actually wasn't more Yeah, more. He was just embarrassed that he promises his dude dad and couldn't deliver You know and it was me like it was it was more of in shame. I'ma just be quiet I can't promise nobody they told checkbook. Yeah You can't promise no, but it ain't your checkbook man

So I write I writing somebody say how much you want, man? Give her money. I don't give a fuck. Now I got to go tell Gil how much I gave him. Now I got to go ask Gil, you know what? Hey, man, I promised

Rashad, motherfucker, $30,000. Yeah, what? Why? Why? Why'd you do that? But if that's the case, though, why not more be like,

look, I wanted to give you the bread. They tripping. Embarrassed. Because he trying to keep his fucking job. But I can tell if me and James had that relationship. James will go say something. James was trying to hit that shit, man. He was trying to hit that. So Darren Morgan will come out and tell James, listen, I want to pay you the owner said, fuck you. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, either way same same shit. So you fuck him

I don't have either I lose my job with you or is one of us gone. Yep So let's stick together don't look out for me first and foremost Jack Ain't got it. Yeah. I ain't got it, bro. Hey put some money. I think I Think James is a winner Because now we have to understand the criteria of champion versus winner. And I think that goes back

to our conversation me and Gil was having in season one about Reggie Miller. He's like, you know, you think Reggie Miller's a winner. Am I a winner? You have a winner mindset,

so on and so forth. So when you look at the context of that conversation, we was only singling that out as winner being champion or championships. But I think now the concept, now with all the accolades you just ran down, all the things he does well, you can't say he is a winner because he's won. He's just not a champion. And I think that's the difference with a lot of people.

It's like you can win, You just never won the championship. So you're not a champion. You can never say you're a champion. Big Shot Bob can say he's a champion. Ginobili, all those guys can say they're champions. But the guys who never won championships, like Melo, like AI, they're winners because they won. Especially if you look at the metrics of all those consecutive 15 straight seasons with a winning season. Never missed a playoff.

Never missed a playoff. Now, you can't say he's not a winner because he's winning. He's never won a championship. Like you guys have said, there's champions out there who are losers. Right. Remember, there's 15 players on a team. There's 15 players on a team. Everyone's not happy that

they're not playing. Their attitude towards that season some are losing spirits right but the winners and the players that's playing majority of the team is the winners right so I look at it like this no matter what your record is because if you're on the bottom fitting team and they never give you anything, right? Your legacy is built off of that, right? What did you do? What was your preparation?

What was your mindset? Did you have a winning mindset, a losing mindset? Did you get better individually to help winning, right? That's all we can go by, right? There are very few things that you can be certain of in life. But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the

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Visit PCFinancial.ca for details. What I know now how owners and, you know, money being made, because if we use a record to define winning, that means everyone who is ever drafted by the Clippers with Donald Sterling would be considered a loser, right? Not because of them, right? Because of his method. He wanted money, bring you in three years, get rid of you. There was no formula of winning.

So all those guys who was dedicating themselves and their body to the game wasn't getting rewarded. So that whole franchise is a losing franchise. And all the players on there are considered losers. That shouldn't be fair. Did you get better? You came in this league, you couldn't shoot. By the time you end up finishing this league, you became one of the

best three-point shooters. That is a winner. So to me, yes, James is a winner. He's gotten better every year. He took his teams. Some teams that didn't look good some he failed to some better teams um I can't say because he wanted to be out of situations he's a loser then everyone else is a loser too who wanted out of situations you know that's well if you take less bread I think this is what we talk about all the time well I got you take less money to make the team better.

He did that. Obviously, the Sixers didn't win a chip. And then he gets did dirty. Why would I want to be here if y'all playing with my bread? I think all of us can understand that, even people at home. You had a job. You make concessions to help make the job better with the expectation you're going to get a raise or a promotion or whatever. They tell you no.

Well, we can't look to the outside parameters of what winning and losing actually is, right? So that's the business side of the game. But when you talk about at the end of the game, when the shot clock goes zero and time scores what it is, who won, who lost, that's how I judge winning and losing. So you're going to win some, you're going to lose some. Did you win a championship?

You didn't win a championship? Then you just tally up how many wins you got compared to how many losses. Like, you know, we can talk about the losing mentality, which is your approach to the game and how that approach can then dictate how you win or lose. But I think that's a whole different conversation in comparison to just the outcome The outcome is what it is based on what your team did to prepare for the game and how you guys

Executed so on and so forth, but you know widget when it came to James he wants on he lost some You know, he just never came up with the championship just like the other greats t Mac Hey, I mellow all those guys who came up short but you can't judge them based on um the losses alone you know what i'm saying because then there's the wins too so and like you're always talking about just from an organizational standpoint sometimes organizations don't put their players in position to be winners. So we can't just look at the win-loss. Because it's a business, right?

You know, some of these guys are fortunate to have owners that actually love basketball, right? You know, Dirk getting Mark Cuban. He was a fanatic, right? Like, when you really understand someone like Cuban, he buys a team, he wants to be one of the players. He's sitting on the sideline there. Not in a suite, he's sitting there. The other owners got mad at that, and they had to fine him every time he did that 100,000,

get your ass back to the booth where the owner sit, right? So think about his mindset. That means he's looking out for these guys. So eventually he was going to win and put a winning formula together, right? Same thing with Mickey, same thing with any, the same thing with the guys in Golden State, right? If you think about the newest owners in the nba now they are successful because the new owners in the nba this is what they want to do right do you look at bomber spirit right he looks like he wants to win right so it's it's if we all got the pick for our legacy, we say, all right, fellas, you pick the team you want for your legacy to be here. Man, 90% of these teams wouldn't have no players, man. 90% of these teams wouldn't even have players.

If our legacy is built off of it, we're going to sit around the dudes that want to win. Like, oh, you trying to win a championship? Cool, cool, cool. We're going to sit around the dudes that want to win. Like, oh, you're trying to win the championship? Cool, cool, cool. We'll stay here. Facts. Yeah. The fact that James has to say that, right? Mm-hmm.

That I want to be remembered as a winner, like... Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right? Because that's the narrative out there, right? That you feel you need to answer that. He's doubting his own mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he heard the rumblings.

He knows what it is. The fact that you haven't won the championship is... Yeah, it's... People put a lot of emphasis on that, but with all the accolades and everything that you just read off... Yeah, successful, absolutely winning. Yeah, it's... Yeah, I laughed because it's like you...

for him to feel that he needs to do that, right? I don't know what the question was, like probably legacy, like what you want your legacy to be, right? Basically, how do you want to be remembered? Yeah. Yeah, it just can't be somebody like, I really love the game. I gave it my all every time out. Like, that.

Instead, like, I want to be remembered as a winner. Like. Instead of like, I want to be remembered as a winner. I think it's said because everyone overlooks this. Right? Like, when you say it out loud, you're like, oh, damn. Oh, shit. You know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah.

Motherfucker was winning. Right? First ballot, Hall of Fame. You know, because the narrative is he has a losing streak. He loses. Yeah. Right? You know, we're not, you know, we're not. He's on the line.

Yep. Game seven. This is all we know. Yeah. Two game seven seasons, right? Like, they made it think like it's set 15 years of this. Yeah. Right?

And not realize it's a whole body of work. And you have to judge the whole body of work, not just the moments that we remember in time. Because it's only as of late what people remember. It's the last three stops. Three steps. Right? It's the last three stops that's fresh in people's mind and they forget things that people forget things they want to forget.

Right? And remember what they want to forget. Mm-hmm, right and remember what they want to remember Yeah, but in theory what he's done is he shined a light on something that didn't need to be Shined upon which is even bringing it up over emphasizing the fact that you are already a winner by your body of work Mm-hmm. All right. So now what you're going to have everyone look at now is like with James, which he never won. Right? That's the number one. In theory, you're a winner.

Yeah, but... But then now we're thinking like, what is James talking about? I want to be remembered as a winner, but you never won. But they're talking about championships. That's what I'm saying. But it makes...

What happens is when he says he wants to be remembered as a winner, exactly what he did. They start going to try to debunk that, and then they realize his resume is going to speak for itself. Of course. They just didn't look at the resume. That's the problem.

I didn't look at your resume. I looked at clips and TV. Or a couple of games and used that. Nah, but what they're looking at, this is what I'm saying. Think about that. Everything you're saying is right. In theory, when you go and you research and you look, like, James is a winner.

But your comment of, I just want to be remembered as a winner, that never won the chip. So think of your common fan. Your common fan ain't thinking, I'm going to go research to see how much he won Like with James you never you you didn't play good in every game seven and you didn't you didn't To so whatever whatever the case is like you just never did you never took it over the top?

Well, we've seen you holding the trophy yet. Well, we can say James Harden one Yeah, they probably don't even think that they probably like how can you be a winner when you forced your way out of the last situation? And that's how... That is it. You forced your way out of these situations, you're not a winner. Because that's all they remember. That's all they fucking remember.

Because most winners stay and stick it out. They try to figure it out. Listen, when they want to make you a loser, they know how. Yeah. They're going to remember and forget what they want to, man. People are... Yeah, yeah.

They got selective memory, man. They got selective memory. Yeah. It's bad in theory just to see him say that and feel like he has to say that. So what stands out to you the most about Harden's career, and can you make the argument that he's a top five shooting guard all time? What stands out for me is no different than someone like Steph. He perfected something.

Right? And when you're talking about greatness, when we talk about Steph and Steph's skill in shooting and the dedication he took in shooting and conditioning and all of that is what makes the shot in his shooting so epic. Same thing with James, right? You can call it a travel, whatever you want to call. It was a perfection of a move that couldn't be stopped. It couldn't be stopped to the point where you had to try to go to rule book to try to figure out and have rules stop it. This is a travel. Now they got to look at these plays and really count,

and nobody realized because of the move, what he was doing, they created words, zero step, gather step. That was him. That was his invention. So when you're talking about someone who tapped into rule books, wording, he became a perfectionist in what he was doing. A lot of people can't say that.

That finished his game. Jordan's fadeaway was a perfection in his game. A jump man logo, but his signature move is a fadeaway, is the Houdini that nobody even thinks about. The logo is him, but his signature was a fadeaway. Which in theory is a bad shot. I'm just saying.

Fading away from the basket, moving target. He perfected it. Made it a great shot. He perfected it. Is he top five? Top five. Shooting guard? Jordan, Kobe,

A.I. Yep. You put him here top five? Yep. Okay, what stands out to you the most about Harden's career, and would you say he's the top five shooting guard all time? Mm-hmm. Let me see that list.

At the position... We got D-Wade... Cole... Huh? Chuck. Mm-hmm. Mike. Mm-hmm.

Shit. Shit. I don't know. I got to think about it some more, the field spot. But what stands out, I'll get back to you on the field. Yeah. What stands out the most? You know, he just, he found a way to manipulate the NBA, to cater to his style of play, right? The drawing fouls, the step back, like, he made it a thing.

So they, the league really, they had to, like, to Gil's point a minute ago they were changing rules because of him right and now the the gather the sweep through to the foul like all those things

because of James so that stands out right when you making certain things when you manipulate

the entire NBA to cater to your game yeah manipulate the entire NBA to cater to your game. Yeah. That probably stands out the most. I'm gonna go. What stands out the most about James Harden is averaging 40 points a game for 40 games. I think that was the most dynamic.

In 2019, I believe, he averaged 40 a game for 40 games. We never seen anything like that in our era. And the way he was doing it, regardless of how you feel about it, getting 50, 15, and 12. You know what I'm saying? So he covered the board when it came down to it and top five i definitely gotta say you know when it's cold mike ai and then there's always the conversation between him and d wade

you know with those stats alone 40 a game for 40 games you gotta got to put him in front of D-Wade as crazy and as dynamic as D-Wade was. He just wasn't a volume as scored as James is. Like Gil said, he created his own little lane that you couldn't really mimic. It was his own thing, his own creation.

So I think he's definitely in the top five. Put him right at four. So, Gil, the chat is saying that T-Mac is a two. Would you agree or disagree with that? Yeah, I was over it. It was in my conversation of thought just now. T-Mac's a two or a three.

He's a two or a three. Yeah. I'm putting him at a three. Can you say the same about Harden being a PG or a shooting guard? Same with A.I. though. I was over it. I was going to say it, I'm... Same with A.I., though, so... Yeah. I was over it.

I was going to say it, but I didn't want to... What about Reggie Miller? I said, I'm... He a two? Him and Ray Allen are two. They're twos. That's what I'm saying. T-Mac was a three to me.

Him, KD, they in their own little lane. Seeing him with James, I don't look at... See, and it's hard for me to say James is a two-three. You look at him more as a point guard? He's had the ball in his hand. It's just like the same thing with LeBron. You want to put him at the position, right? When it's convenient. Yeah, exactly.

Does he initiate the offense? So, for my thing, when has he not been the main assist guy on the team, right? Let the league in assists, what, twice? Two, three times? Yeah, two-time assist champion. So that's a point guard, right? They had point guards on the team that was playing the position. If we play like that, then it changes history because that's...

He was on the team with CP for a short period of time. I think Kyle Lowry was on that team one time. No, he had point guards, but that's the same argument. He had the ball in his hand then. But that's the same argument with someone like LeBron James and Magic Johnson. Absolutely. Magic Johnson was a point. He had guards.

He had, you know, Norm Nixon. For one, but that was only a short period of time. But then he had, you know, Byron Scott. Played the two. Yeah. But Norm played some two. B. Scott played the two. As wild as it is.

Like, B. Scott played the two. B. Scott never had the ball in his hand. B. Scott was the two. To me, it was the system. He had the ball the same as well There's my Scott played the two B Scott was never had the ball is and B Scott was the two to me Yeah, the ball the same amount as Kyrie. It was a system who did Scott. No Kyrie played the point B Scott never was a point But that's the same way anybody play with James they played the point when he just had the ball It was the system the system of how we run our offense is gonna be James has the ball majority of the time The point guard move to the corner. I'm saying he did he didn't mean there's a tooth I'm gonna look at him as a true ball handler for the a good foot

Yeah teammate is definitely a three even if he was even if he was a shooting guard resume is He's not talking about we're not talking about potential we're talking about who you push out Name there's only five you only named five Yeah, that's what said who you push out if T Mac is not if T Mac goes in cuz he didn't say D Wade who? Did it you do? Mike no, I just I don't know Mike you only said for you didn't say I'll say your No, I just, I didn't say it. Mike, you only said four. You didn't say. I didn't say you're fifth.

So you didn't get five. Oh, no. When I was counting, I was like, yeah, he's five. Right? So D-Wade is. D-Wade is a fifth, right? Yeah, D-Wade is in there. If T-Mac is the two guard, does T-Mac go in the top five? No.

So you're saying James is the two? Yeah. See, I don't. D-Wade pushes out if T-Mac is a two. So you're pushing out't D-Wade pushes out if T-Mac is a two So you have you pushing out D-Wade D-Wade's resume over T-Mac's resume? As a two guard? As a two guard? Yeah, if T-Mac is a two guard, T-Mac is top five. Are we doing a resume or just the potential? I'm on the players. I don't ever talk resume when we talk about top five. So we're talking about the players. I'll never, because resumes is subjective. I mean, I'm talking about longevity.

Longevity, the way his career was better. That's all subjective. The way his career was better, longevity. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, longevity. He's a better player, though, to me. I mean, then top five teammate, for sure. For sure. I mean, if we're talking about just a player

himself at their height i mean tracy mcgrady can argue that he's top 10 of all time that's the conversations to be had that's why i don't put those in there because oh you played this amount but that's that's the key you can't be grateful for two three to four years you can greatness is longevity you got to sustain your greatness for a long period of time you can't be technically like a rapper a one-hit wonder right you gotta be great accidents yeah do you got to be great but do you factor an injury to that that situation you can't you can't that's game that's why i should be excluded game but that's the game because i can't i can't i can't. You can't. That's game. That's why I should be excluded. That's the game. But that's the game because I can't. I can't. I can't.

Like, let's say you played five years and you averaged 28 to 32 for those five years. And then someone averaged 27 to 28 for 15 years. I can't. I can't say this is what you would have did moving forward. You can't do that. You can. Huh? You can. You can? Yeah. Oh, you can? Because forward. You can't do that. You can. Huh? You can.

You can? Yeah. You can? It's talent. Talent is talent. Okay. If D-Rose don't get hurt, D-Rose becomes a generational type of talent. Okay, how about this? I'm going to do this then. All right, this player averaged 29, 29, 30, 36, 34.

What is the next year supposed to look like? Last year it was 34. So 29, 29, 30, 36, 34. Somewhere in the 30s. So if he stopped right there. 34, we expect at least 34 the next year. Okay, so that's what we expect. So if you stop this man's career right now and had to argue...

That he would have averaged you. He would have averaged, but his average ended up being 24, 24, 22, 22, 21, 21, 16. And that's the guy we're talking about right now. Right? But if he stopped him at that peak, we argue this is what he would have did. But in reality, what changed? It doesn't matter. It does matter.

It doesn't. It does. It can't. It has to. Because this is real life. No, because 34 to 24, you got to say what happened. Did he change teams? Did the offense change?

Anything can. Yes, perfect. Just like with James Harden. James Harden went from this to this to this to all of a sudden, that's James. So I'm thinking you're talking about T-Mac. No, this is James. So how does James stay in there? No, because this is still his stats.

So when you talk about T-Mac and he get injured and this is what happened, I can't give you anything more. I got to give you what he gave us. I can't pretend that this would have been his stats. We don't know that. So you can only go with what you have. What? So you just said that. I can't mock.

You just said James got all these good and if you stop it here. If you stop it at down 10 points. Yes. That's like the per 48 shit. I can't give you a four. Yes. What you're asking for is per 48 shit. I can't give you a four per, yes. What you asking for is per 48. You're asking for per 48.

So T-Mac's numbers is what T-Mac's numbers is. We can't give you. I don't go by numbers. You go by the talent. The talent is T-Mac. What we seen at this guy, due for the league, for the game. At a short period of time. Bro. Yes. He was, even if his numbers don't continue, at this guy, due for the league, for the game. A short period of time.

Even if his numbers don't continue, he's top five. If I'm going to argue with you, so if we're going to debate that, I'm going to put defense in the category and I'm going with D-Wade because his defense is better than Mack. I still think Mack is a better player. When he was there,

yeah. If I'm picking my five to go out there on the court, D-Way is coming off the bench. T-Mac is starting. Period. But just like what you have to do, what you have to do is because he got hurt and the way his career ended, you're going to have to stay in a certain time frame. You can't use his career. Now, you've got to say the TMAC end this year.

I don't have to do that at all. I'm just going to say TMAC. TMAC. For his overall body of work, though. TMAC. TMAC is TMAC. Because when you're a hooper, even though you age and your knees might get you still a hooper, you still got that J work. You might not be able to move the way you move you still team at we know what team I can do well

That's why our conversations are different probably than the masses because you've actually seen these people seeing what they're capable of at their peak But really good. I think what you're saying is it depends on how long that peak actually last Yeah, so like let me know score 62 against me like you know, I mean I know I know I know who the motherfucker is 62 they gave us 62 damn and it was not even a it wasn't about the saying even Yeah, yeah, we had a home-and-home and he had 74 in two games. Yeah, y'all 62. Yes It's like 910 free throws. It wasn't even it wasn't even one of those like oh, yeah, he's killing us You just look up like, damn, he got 62?

Damn, he should have had 70 easy. Right? If he was just on fire, 80 for sure. But he was a mediocre regular ass 62. It wasn't even one of those, the nigga was balling, balling, balling. It didn't even look like it.

It wasn't one of those like, man, we got to stop him. He was just bugging it. It was a, He was a I know but you I'm ready even saying that a secret For six in the guard he was torturing me. It wasn't It wasn't one of those were like Dan. It's me guy. He kill it. That's y'all right It was just one of those came down hit a couple shots foot 10 here free throw like anything I miss it all if you don't keep it up in the game and then when you look at the stats like You know y'all know he should have had 77 against us

Should I have 77 if you look at the game if you look at the game you gonna be like Yeah, he should have said show easy work. That's how easy it looked. But it's still the record. Like D. Rose, right? If we stop D. Rose at his MVP year, right, people will argue that he could have been one of the greatest players of all time. And this and that. Yes, we could.

But reality is reality still. He came back. He played. He fought injury. He played. He fought injury. He didn't get to have the Hall of Fame resume that his talent was. His talent.

But he has the Hall of Fame talent. We're saying of Fame talent. Yes, that's what I'm saying. His talent is Hall of Fame talent. So let me do this then. You don't get hurt. You don't get hurt. I can't. But your ability is your ability. So I can put you

in the top ten, top five point guards based on what you showed me. I can put you there and say ten top five point guards based on what you showed me I can put you there and say hey man if K don't have two microfractures What Six time all-star ten time monster he's giving these niggas work He's doing more shit that but it's a hypothetical based on stats and numbers not on talent not on potential because we've seen the potential and we know this guy did what he did 29 29 30 we can't take away that that trajectory was going this route so we're gonna keep it at the 29 29 30 do that but i'm gonna

say these three years that i know of this guy, I'm putting him in there based on his three years. I understand what you're saying. I do. I really do. I get it. But when you have somebody else to compare that to, right?

And it's for a longer period of time. It's just a tough sale. But how? We're not going to say the short period of time of this guy is still better than the long period. But no, because you have to have a career. We have to see the greats of you, the falls of you, the bounce back. That's what makes the greats of you, the falls of you, the bounce back. That's what makes the greats. You can't have a top and then say, okay, the music, right?

It's hard for me. And y'all, they named her, they named the album, the number one album ever. Right? Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill. When someone says, all right, Lauryn Hill's resume as an artist, yes, her CD itself, a masterpiece. My question is, what's the next one? See, if there's no next one it's a false it's it's false for me why because you scored 100

points game one and you quit or back out and don't play another game so now your resume gets to sit at 100 i have there's 81 more games i gotta see where you finish that what is the rest of the season look like where I finished because I retired at this this my season I won I won five MVPs this one season and I said you know what I don't want to play no more the competition is not up no but but I gotta gauge you against someone who who played years. And even you gauging me against those 15, it's unanimous that I'm still number one. No, that one game is number one. No, it's unanimous. They unanimously still picked her out of looking at everybody else's body of work.

We're looking at everybody else. Y'all been doing all this shit. Who's still number one? The album is number one, not the resume. That wasn't the question was who has the number one resume of all time. It's the number one album of all time.

So you're only going on the album, not resume. Because you can't go resume. What I'm saying is to be great, you have to be great for a long period of time. So when we say who's the greatest of something, you can't raise your hand and say, hey, I scored 100 points in one game. They're like, oh, cool.

What did you average for the season? 100. You said one game, right? Yeah. What happened to the rest? Wilt Chamberlain is a perfect example. No, he played games after that. But after that, he didn't do what he was doing in the beginning.

Exactly. But he's still considered great. No. Think about what you just said. He's 4 to 100. We're not saying Mack not great. I'm saying we're not saying that. I'm saying his body of work is still greater than everybody else who played.

But the thing is, when you mention Wilt, he's never really at the top of those lists for some reason, despite averaging 50 and 23 and whatever. But what I'm saying is... Because if he was to say stats, he would. No, but what I'm saying is you have to be able to... It's like I'm scoring 100, but I'm scared to play in the next game because I'm scared for this number to go down. Like, that's not how you're supposed to play it.

You're supposed to be... That's how you're seeing it. That's not how she did it. I don't know. No, I'm just not an example like when we talking about so when people say one of the greatest artists of all time Right in so we got Nicki Minaj this this this and she gets to go up We can only compare this one thing versus everybody's resume and that's unfair to one her and unfair to everyone else because everyone else got to go great they got flop albums they got the bounce back from the flop albums they they had a dud then they came back they had to ride the roller coaster that's the only way we can tell if you're built you have to ride the coaster look nikki and all of the rest

of y'all, which album are you going to put up that you did against this one? My career. No. No, my one album. Even your career is not better than this one album. My one album. Yes, I didn't have one album that was this great. So then that settles it.

But I have a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth. Even you putting them together. You can put them together. it doesn't add up to this seven eight even you put them together What I'm saying together doesn't mean is yes. I you you had a perfect game Right you you had a perfect game you went for 50 my first album went for 35 The next night I came I came and scored 40. What did you do the next night? I still I have a record What did you do tonight? I have the record. What did I'm LeBron James with the record? Oh you get 40,000 What did you do talk? What I'm saying is what did you do the next night the next night? I'm why it's not I came I watched you try to write me. What I'm saying is I

Failed and failed and came back and came back to become something Right. That is the point of it. I can't be a boxer and go 1 and 0 and then say yeah I knocked him out. I knocked him out and then I'm done. I'm the best boxer ever to box You can go 50 and 0 and do that Yes, you know what but there was a guy who went 173-0, but he's not considered the best. Think about what you're saying. I'm talking about Floyd compared to... 50-0.

I think it was, was it Duran? One of them. I think it was Roberto Duran. Had a certain amount of victories with no losses, and then Floyd will say 50-0 would be considered the best ever because it hasn't been done on record since then. But it doesn't add up to that because we don't consider that to be the best. 50-0. We're talking about one-offs.

If someone right now beats Floyd Mayweather and beats him. But he stopped. And one, and go one zero, he can't say he's the best boxer of all time. But he stopped at 50 and 0 because he didn't fight the guys who could potentially beat him. Just like Long Hill. If I'm going to stop at this, I'm going to stop at this. This is going to be me stopping Y'all gotta beat this five Mike five-star album that even consider to be next to me until then again

But we don't have the conversation you're using some wide number two. You're saying someone who has a what is his record? You're saying what is this? Is he at four point five stars? Maybe it has to be five stars. No one about that. No, what i'm saying is someone has a career yeah you're saying like floyd boxed he had to fight careers almost getting beat almost that it happened yes these people have careers you can't you can't minimize someone's full body of work off of this moment in time. You can't do that. Yes, you can. You can. You do it all the time. No, because if everyone stops

at their peak, then we can't tell if they were meant to fall or not fall. If we stop LeBron James after he won his second championship in Miami, we don't even know he lasts this long. He's LeBron James.

But we don't know what I'm saying. But we still know. No, no, no, no, no. For the first eight years is LeBron James. Okay. That's what we do know. But this is the same person the media said was washed in 2014. They did not see 10 years more. This is 10 more years.

This is what makes the person. When Jordan came back, no one expected the man at 39 to do what he did. You have to be able to have long periods of stuff that's the only way it works just like a fucking youtuber or these these these these uh these guys on on media they have that viral moment right they get all these views a year later you don't even know who they are because to be famous, you have to sustain your ability to be famous. That's what makes Will Smith great. That's what makes Denzel Washington Morgan free. It's the body of work.

I guarantee you if we can find a one-off guy who won Emmys and all that for one year and you don't see him no more, he can't say he's the greatest movie star of all. Where do we hear from Lauryn Hill first? Fugees. Fugees. Right? Fugees. So the Fugees came out, right?

That put them on the map. Then she did Sister Act and then she released her body of work, right? So let's think about a name like this. Do you know this name, Lin Bias? Yes. Right, that guy, right? That guy, when he was at Maryland, we knew what route or trajectory he was headed towards, right? And there was another guy in college at the same time as him that didn't hold a candle to him,

that ended up being one of the, if not the greatest of all time, Michael Jordan. Did he go to North Carolina? Right? So, limb bias goes to a different team, doesn't overdose, blah, blah, blah. Hypothetical. He doesn't have a body of work for us to even consider. He doesn't even have that moment in time for us to consider.

So, we can't even put him in a conversation. He's not in no conversation. Right. So, when you look at Lauryn Hill and you say Lauryn Hill has not only the body of work from this moment because she won five Grammys up against these albums in

this moment of time, there hasn't been a moment of time since to surpass her. And that's the point. So in the moment of time when you look at Michael Jordan's record of 6-0 in the finals. 6 when you look at Michael Jordan's record of six in O in the fight You know, we haven't seen a moment in time that can pass that you can't keep using people who's done it multiple times All throughout their career so long as a moment in time

It was there 16, you know 16, you know, there's an 86 16-0. There's an 86 and 87 year, right? He didn't stop there. But he wasn't 1-0. He didn't stop there. He lost to the Celtics. 86-87 was considered the greatest year in sports history for an individual. He did not stop there. He lost to the Celtics.

But he did not stop as an individual there because the career wasn't done But we only look at Mike from six, you know, we're looking at the wins the championship It's like oh the greatness of life. He defended he defended his title Right. He defended his title multiple times, right? Correct, right six times six times. What I'm saying is you have the greatest album then and still to today. I don't have to defend it. You know, the album by itself, boom. How about the career?

How about who's better? Don't have to have to. So when you have five from one CD, yes. But I got to compare you to someone who's did it 15, 20 years, and she has 20 or 16 or 15. She doesn't have five from one. It don't matter. It does. That's what makes her the great.

That's what makes it number one. How that might be. You might have. What I'm saying is we don't know the possibility of your career. That might have been the only CD that might be the only great because we don't know what a CD 2 is or 3 or this and this. That's the point.

That is the point I'm trying to say. It's not enough. It's plenty. Because no one can duplicate it. You can't beat it. But before we move on, I got three things. It's a record.

I can't. It's a record for this. For the category we're talking about. Best album of all time. Beat that. Now, who is the best rapper of all time? Female. Can you put her in that category?

No. Okay. Because album of all time, it doesn't say female album of all time. No, not female. Who is the best female rapper of all time? That, I don't know the debate for that. It could be Lil' Kim, Nicki Minaj. It could be Missy Elliott. Okay, okay.

It could be a lot of different people. Could it be her, though? Who, Lauryn Hill? Yeah. No, because it wasn't a rap album. What album was it? What is it considered? R&B.

Okay, let's put her in R&B. Would she be considered the best R&B singer, female singer of all time? Yes. No, she will not. All right, before we move on, three things for you gentlemen. First, Will Chamberlain, who I brought up earlier, averaged 50 points, 26 rebounds, finished second in MVP voting. To Bill Russell, who averaged 19 points and 23 rebounds. Who probably shot 39% from the field.

That's one. That is just a crazy thing. But this is like... No, what I'm saying is just the thought of it and... I'm just... It's just a thought of, you know, because we've played the game and we see the game and we see the attributes and we've seen the plays and when people say Bill Russell should be considered

top five, it irks me that this guy was one of the tallest players I played then. One probably, besides Wilt, probably the second most athletic player in the game. Right? And Curry from three and half court, whatever the fuck Curry shoots from, Damier has the same shooting percentage that you have. And you're under the basket. That just boggles me. What are we

talking about here? George Mikan, the Mikan drill. That's why it was the Mikan drill, because he was trash as shit. And he shot 40% from layups. He couldn't do his own drill. What are we even talking about here? You shot 40% from layups. He couldn't do his own drill. Like, what are we even talking about here? You shot 40%

from layups. That's why he made a drill to try to get his shit right. And that's why I just, it just, like, when I look at it, it's like, man, listen, I don't want to talk about, I don't want to talk about these guys because they did pave a way, but please, let's

get this stopped, right? There's no three-point line. It was late. Like, the rim's here. Just here. Like, just here. Like, just late. Right? Everybody is right here. Just

late. Like, what are you like, I can, we can only imagine to shoot 40% being the biggest dude on the court has us looking at like nine-year-old basketball, right? right Just just you just you just you're just out there what? Because there's no way we could, like. Or exactly how that shit looks. Like, I'm not, like, we know what Rudy looks like,

and we'd be like, yeah, he probably might miss this. He probably, and, you know, he's at 67%, so we're like, wait a minute here. What the fuck was you out here doing on the layup line? Not dunking that bitch. You know he wasn't dunking it. Ah, shit. Let me get the rebound. Ah, shit. Let me get the rebound.

Ah, shit. You're throwing that bitch shooting that. He ain't even looking at the rim. He's like, you just get it up. That's why he made

the mic drill. We just went about it the wrong way. We thought, oh, this is a great game. We thought, just work on it. I was like,

get your nasty ass in here and work on these layups. But we asked the chat, will James Harden be remembered as a winner? We have more than 5,000 votes. 73% said no, but we do know our chat

is full of haters. We also asked the chat, though, they redeemed themselves as Harden, the top five shooting guard. 54% said yes. And Bill Gill, excuse me,

our producer, wanted you to know that Bill wrote a 44% lifetime field goal percentage. Curry's 42. 43% in his MVP years. I get it. No, no, no.

Still. That may sound good to people at home. No, no. You didn't hear I said Curry shoots around the same. One's shooting at 44. One is shooting at 42. That's my point.

That may sound like, oh, it's not that bad until you factor in the fact that it was a lot of stuff. What is Steph shooting for two from his career? 50-something. That's that.

If somebody today, with all the athletes in the world, as a big man, shot 44% from the field, you're not on the court. Steph Curry, 52% on twos

in his career. 52% on twos. Gil Russell. Think about it. If a big man shot 44% from the field from two-pointers and that's all you did, you wouldn't even get on the court, dog. Wait a minute. No. Wait a minute. Now, let's think about this for a second.

And what... Please. The 40% you're talking about with these big guys, there's a bunch of big guys down there, right? In today's game, yeah. Today's game, yeah. Not with fucking Bill Russell. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what makes it even worse. Shout out 44%. No, that shit's... That's horrible. Dude, you jump up there them drop that bitch in there? Like there's no right well him and what Chamberlain were just this they were the wimpy and So if it's just a way to be it's just them two right and they're shooting and I don't know the attempts You know, I mean, I'm pretty sure they shot a lot of twos

There's 19 points though. There you go. So if he's missing a lot of joints and he's not taking a lot of joints. No, he's taking a lot of joints. We don't know. That's what I'm saying. But if Steph Curry, 52, and he's not taking a lot of twos, he's taking more threes than he is twos, his percentage is going to be his percentage based on the fact that he's not shooting a lot of them.

You know what I'm saying? Okay, so you got Will Chamberlain, 72% from the field that season. 64, 54, 56, 58, 59, 68. Those are center shooting percentages. That's because he's averaging a high clip points per game. But if you give him less shots, you still, those percentages should be fucking higher.

Yeah, better percentage. But if you're Bill Russell, you're only at 19 Right and most of your two pointers are coming from put backs He's I'm just and you're missing them put back to get them rebounds back 16 shots around the basket you make six six for 16 Six for 16. This dude's averaging 50. Six for 16. This dude's averaging 19.

There's no one that blocked him. It was a good 19. Let's keep this thing moving. Hold on. I got to hear what that's good. What's funny is because of back then, see, now I got to watch the game because when you're talking about 24 rebounds, I want to see how many was offensive. That's what I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. Just what I just said. He averaging 19 and he going six for 16. He's missing a lot of buttons. He's grabbing those things. And he's going back up. He's missing and he's going back up. Now think about how that looks.

It's Joker shit. It's like Joker shit. Everybody's here, dog. This ain't like Joker. It's here, dog. So let's keep this thing moving. Shit, Dennis Rodman shot 52%. Dennis Rodman.

Julio Cesar. Julio Cesar. 89, what? 89-0-1 started 87-0 before first draw. But let's keep this thing moving. We got a lot more to get into. So before joining forces with Luka to create one of the most dangerous duels in the league,

Kyrie and LeBron were doing their thing in Cleveland, leading the Cavs to the greatest comeback in NBA Finals history to dethrone the 73-9 Golden State Warriors, in case you guys forgot. So on a recent episode of his Mind the Game podcast, Bron had this to say about Kyrie. Listen, I will call Kyrie

the wizard. Who left? All the I will call Kyrie the wizard. Who left? All the time. Like, all the time. Like, there was nothing on the basketball floor that Kyrie couldn't do. And sitting here watching it, you know, I'm like,

I'm playing like so fucking happy and so proud to watch him continue his growth or whatever the case may be. And at the same time, I'm so fucking mad at the same time that I am not his running mate anymore. So I'm like, I just remember those times. And to back to what you were saying, JJ, like, to have a guy like Kyrie Irving as the ultimate wild card, that's like having a draw four in your hand every time someone deals you cards in Uno. He's the most gifted player the NBA has ever seen.

So let's talk about a few things. First, Gil, are you cool with JJ Redick's court placement? He changed it. Yeah, yeah. He fixed it. He took notes. So yes, obviously, Bron and Kyrie together in Cleveland. Kyrie dips.

I think in a recent interview he said he didn't get the chance to tell Bron before he dipped, but the way things were shaking out, he needed to get out of there. So they didn't speak for a long time, have since reconciled, been trying to get each other to come play with each other. Brown tried to get the Lakers to make some moves for him. I think they had some issue with giving Kyrie a four-year extension.

Kyle tried to get Brown to come to the Mavs. Obviously, Brown was still under contract, not feeling it. But let's go back to the point of that particular soundbite. Brown's saying that Kyrie's the most gifted player the league has ever seen.

So do you guys agree with LeBron that Kyrie is the most gifted player the league has ever seen. So do you guys agree with LeBron that Kyrie is the most gifted player the league has ever seen? No. No. No. He's putting extras on it? Yeah, no. Very gifted, though. Very gifted.

Absolutely. Very gifted offensive player. Yeah, he's, but Michael Jefferson. Having exceptional talent and natural player. Yeah, he's... Michael Jeffery, Joey. Having exceptional talent and natural ability. Yeah. Mike. Michael Jeffery.

So, we just talked about Will. Hold on. There's only one guy. There's only one guy that's the most skilled guy we've ever seen. He didn't say skilled. He said gifted. He didn't say skilled. That's why I'm sitting. The most gifted guy we've ever seen is Victor Wimbynjana.

Already? Already. Wimby already the most gifted? We've never seen anything like that. True. With the gifts that he has. See? 7-4 block, pass, dribble, shoot.

Man, get the fuck out of here. What y'all watching? Ken, you said Michael Jeffrey Jordan. In your opinion, most gifted. Any Bob Cousy takers on the couch? No, okay, so by the... Wrong hand, Joe. No, no, no, by the... Wrong hand, Joe.

Definitely wrong hand, Joe. Yeah, please go with that one. You got to spin this way. The reason I wanted to Google the meaning is because just like anything with generational people, people don't really understand the concept of some of the stuff. So, you know, when you think gifted, you're probably, there's a few definitions. One is just your natural ability. Just what is naturally in you.

It's no different than IQ. It's just you yourself. You can just process things a lot faster than everyone else. And gifted can be a form of art on how someone paints a picture. So when you're talking about that type of, you're talking about probably like what,

a Jason kid, when it comes to, then you break it down because, you know, Kirby can be gifted in shooting, pass and magic and, you know. Yeah, he's the most gifted shooter we've ever seen. Yeah.

Magic the most gifted passer we've seen. Yeah, him or a pistol Pete Jason Williams That's gifted in like so there's um overall gift all gift See I ain't seen unlike women before but I'm but when you see like see one guy got in but I'm just see we go what? Not his his natural gift ability. He can be the most gifted that we've ever seen gift and you see that motherfucker pop out so that's what you let that motherfucker run around on it you'd be like yo what the fuck is this from so kairi you look at kairi you say all right what is it

that kairi's actually gifted in re in reality ball handling if you take his wait a minute listen hear me out hear me out take away his ball handle Wait a minute. Listen, hear me out. Hear me out. Take away his ball handling. I think it's finished. Take away. Okay. We're going to say,

all right, Kyrie is a standard Jose Calderon ball handler. Okay. Uh-huh. What is it that makes him special after that? This is finishes. Finishes.

Finishes. Okay. You take that away. Hurry. Take away his shooting ability. All right. What makes him special? He can finish. Take away his shooting ability. What makes him special? He can finish as well. Makes him special.

That's why I went with. I can answer that. What makes him special is if you take away his shooting ability, movement. Without the ball. And his conditioning. Yes. So that's Richard Hamilton and Reggie Miller. Where he got it from?

Kyrie Irving? I would take away his ball handling. You say, all right, he finishes like who? Rod Strickland? Better. Better than Rod Strickland? Was Rod Strickland considered one of the better finishers in the history? So it's like you're a 2.0 version of Rod, but if you don't got that ball handling, what are we saying?

No, no, no. See, that's a problem because when we're talking about someone like Kai, like I can see where LeBron's going. Basic basketball casuals think there's this thing called three level scoring, right? I score from the three, lay up in mid-range. You got to factor in there's these phenomenons that have this thing called ISO work, post-up work, floating work, right? And you can say there's five levels of scoring, and he's probably in history probably the only one who can check off a lot of those boxes besides Larry Bird, right?

Yeah, he didn't have the three-point line when... But we know he was a three-point shooter. He was a mid-range shooter. he was a three point shooter. He was a mid-range shooter. He was a post-up guy, float around the rim. So there's only a few players in history that can score from everywhere on the court, can get his shots off in different ways, right hand, left hand, so ooh. And only one of them could have this other thing that

if all that shit else fell, that shit that you named, I can jump the fuck over you. Oh, with Michael? See, but Michael was more. But Michael was- All that shit you just named, and then- But see, that's what I'm saying. I can jump the fuck over.

But Michael was physically more gifted. I can't, I can't, like I can't argue that he's not when you think about just the totality of the concept of everything he actually can do on that court. You cut off his three-point shot, he can still kill

the hell out of you. You say, all right, you got to play without any dribbles, he can still kill out of you. You say, only work in the post, he can kill the hell out of you. You say, all right, you got to play without any dribbles, he can still kill out of you. You say only work in the post, he can kill the hell out of you, right? Only mid-range, he can kill the hell out of you. So he's only one of the rare few who's tapped into all of his scoring options on the basketball court. Would you put KD in that combo?

Yeah. Where's Vince? He didn't, Vince most talented. Okay, now. Talented. It's a different. When you said Michael Jeffrey Jordan, I thought Vince Carter.

As the most gifted person. Gifted? Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. As the most gifted human being that now why you think I always say he didn't tap into his potential. Because he had a gift. Because you had your generational talent

that you was blessed with. But people think that's a slight though. People think that you're saying something negative when the reality is. As great as your career was, it could have been so much higher with everything that you had. With everything that you had,

this is like your father giving you a billion dollars and then 10 years later you saying, I got three. And you don't have 23. And then someone got a dollar and someone got a dollar and he's a billionaire

like dude he's more valuable you had a head start on everyone in the world dog and this is this is what you finished with? cool for your ego but the dude who worked his ass off is in the same room as you

so when you're in like Steph like I Don't want to call Steph a generational because his work ethic is what made him special him running I'm saying dudes in Dubai on vacation is what makes him special He wasn't naturally gifted with a cheat code. Yeah, he had to create one That's the difference but even that that, people, I've seen the reactions now. It's like, you hate no step. They don't understand.

People didn't even understand. It's like, yeah, AI, because I argued for AI last night, right? Not realizing I said, Steph is part of my top 10. AI is not. They didn't even realize I said, no, not realizing I said Steph is part of my top ten, AI is not. They didn't even realize I said Steph is in my top ten, AI is not in my top ten.

But because he said AI ain't that good, like, wait, hold on. Now I got to defend him. You also said Steph never got quadruple teamed. And there was tons of video evidence that was presented. Yeah, that's cool and all. That's cool and all. Yeah, that and all. That's cool and all. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool and all, but to me it's like...

I'm going to argue on both sides of it. When you have an expectation, man, that's what I look at. The expectation. Like he's saying, Steph had to work and get to that point where his talent was shown through the hard work. When you have an expectation to be something, out the gate, Brian had an expectation. Certain people, when you get drafted, expectation. We seen you do this when you was eight years old. We're expecting you, Zion Williamson, to come in here and be that guy. LaMelo Ball,

you have an expectation. You didn't go to college. You went all of these different places because we knew you was going to be this guy. That's what I think when it comes to, you know, the gift. When you got the gift. And, like, I'll keep bringing up Wilt, but I'm just. See, like, Wilt, right? And that's my, when I look at his numbers, I'm going to say, and then I'm going to look at his, and then I'm going to look at all the other black dudes in there because I'm just going to go stereotypical. Most likely the black guys are the most athletic in the league.

Let me read off how all the black dudes play. Okay, ooh, this motherfucker has his triple-double. This motherfucker has 38, 14. Okay, Wilt, 50, 50, 50. I'll just read. This black dude. Wilt's rookie year stats. You tripping, dog.

Wilt's rookie year stats, 38 points, 27 rebounds. This black dude, okay? You tripping. You tripping, dog. What was Ricky Year's stats? 38 points, 27 rebounds. See, now, now. MVP, Ricky of the Year. So that's what I'm saying. But just. With his physical gift, he maximized what he was supposed to do. Yeah.

But would you say the same for Kyrie, though? No. All that is work ethic. That is work ethic. He had to work on it. He's been working on the left hand since he was 13. Yeah, he had to work on this. But just even the game winner, I just wanted to try it. That's what I'm saying.

He had to work on this gift. Like Kobe, when I said, yo, I watched him take 500 left hand jumpers, didn't shoot none of them that game, but I seen him work on it. He wasn't, you know, it's not something he inherited. He had to

earn it. Like Steph had to earn this ability. And that's why I say, when did you consider Steph a generational player? When I ask people, why I say, when did you consider Steph a generational player? When I ask people. And they say, well, when he did, okay, that's the problem right there. When he did this, this, this, this, this. So I say, okay, cool.

So when he became the best shooter in the world, so that means he had to beat someone. So he beat Reggie and Ray. Were they generational? No. Okay, so he beat two non-generational people to become generational. Okay, however that works. Then I say, okay, is Trey Young generational? First answer is what? No.

Okay, so if he then now wins four straight championships, two MVPs, and then breaks all-step records. Is he generational? Yes. That's the problem. Accolades can make or break if you are a generational thing. But there's also a gifted and work ethic. It's two different things.

People are afraid to have the tough conversations. That's what I'm finding out in social media is when you have a tough conversation That's gonna put the guy that you love the most in a tough spot Based on where you put him and now everyone's now Questioning where you put him based on the fact that you love him this much and we dissect them right now We're hating because now we have to dissect the tough conversation. The tough conversation is what's gifted? What's most skilled? Are we talking about offense?

We're talking about ball handling. Are we talking about three-way, five-way scoring? What are we talking about? Because when you look at all the other gifted players that's ever come down the pipeline of the NBA, you have to now put Kyrie next to these guys. And when you look at the defensive side of the game, is Kyrie considered gifted at all? In any aspect? And do you bring all of those together? It depends on what LeBron is saying.

Or are you saying the most gifted offensive player? What's the context? Because when you say it the way you're saying it, I'm thinking two-way player. I'm thinking three-way player. Is Kyrie that? I've always said the most gifted offensive ball handlers slash finishers. Even then, it's top two, top three because I still think AI is up there. And I think that Kyrie did what

Kobe did for Mike. He took the game, elevated it from where AI had it. AI had it. We consider AI. We ain't never seen nothing like this. And then here come Kyrie. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, shit. This nigga's a better version of AI. Same with Mike. We ain't never seen nobody do this shit like

Mike do it. So now, here we go. But nobody wanted to have the tough conversation because we hating. Mike do it. So now, here we go. But nobody wonder how to cut the tough conversation because we hating. Oh, man, you niggas is hating on us. Even the Kobe comparison to Mike. The tough conversation then becomes when we say we've never seen anybody like Mike. And we never will. And we throw Kobe in there. The real conversation is this.

No, we've never seen anything like Mike. Kobe was nothing like Mike. The only things that Kobe resembled from Mike was Mike's second three piece Kobe was not even capable to compare 84 Mike 85 Mike 86 7 8 9 10 1 2 3 he That wasn't... That Jordan was not even capable of being reached. So when people say he's a carbon copy of Michael Jordan,

please just say the old nigga when he was on his three-peat run. Because if you think about... The second three-peat. The second three-peat. If you think about putting him three if you think about putting them against the 80 michael jordan it wouldn't be no competition with that man because the man was physically moving a better engine so the day that we have new athletes with new technology that still hasn't beat his jumping right Right? We got the new dudes that's

jumping. They still hasn't matched what this man was capable of then. So when we say he reminds us of Mike, you just say the dude came back after and... After baseball. After baseball and he was playing

back to the basket with the fadeaways and the footstep that one because The one who created that logo is Not even in the same breath even the even number eight Kobe. Yeah Number eight Kobe wasn't even compared to Mike. No About to say that I was Brian that was a whole different dude. He had his own idea Yes, it was him. And I always have that conversation.

I'm like, yo, y'all didn't start comparing Kobe until after Shaq was really gone. Maybe in that 2002 year where he was like, yo, this feels like Michael. And then it's because the triangle. It's why you can mimic and feel the same way as Mike because they're running the same offense. But like you said, same shot. You got to mimic it.

It looks the same, right? Because now Phil is telling Cope, this is how Mike did it. You should do it like this. And now you got to look at the film and he got to do it. That's where Mike got his shot at that. This is where you can be successful at, too. But that 88, Mike, those, that, Mike,

you can't mimic the black, that black nigga. Yeah, the black with the black cat So that it's it's It's art we can argue we can argue about who's the gifted right? I mean, you know LeBron people will put you as a gifted person So the fact that you you can you can see the gift in Kyrie is on his own. Would you consider LeBron gifted? Yeah, he's a physical specimen. But we're talking about the IQ side, which you guys talk a lot about. That's a gift.

Remembering plays, being able to play plays. I remember when I came to you guys' playoff series. I think this was 03, 04 season. You guys had home court, right? And I went to the first round. And watching this kid, some of the stuff he was

doing, it's like, what are you looking at? You know what I mean? That's why I said sometimes I want to jump. Like, what are you, how did you see that? What made you? You see he has the inside guy, but you can't throw it here, but you know to throw it right at the right angle

before it hit the rubber to come right in front of his lap. How did you see that? How did you think of that, right? Right? That's gifted. So we can't say Wimby's gifted without saying LeBron is gifted because LeBron was the first gift that we really seen at that size. But that's just physically.

But that's just physically. There's so many gifts. What you can do. Running that fast, jumping that high. Yeah, what you could do with that body. Like the gift is not the body. The gift is not the speed or the strength. It's the know-how, what to do with this body and how to do it.

That's what Wimby. Wimby's 7'4". There's been a few 7'4". George Murison, motherfucking Manute Boe. They didn't have what you needed to translate into ultra That's why as if they're generational you tell me Manu Bowe had the gifts to be generational just from the natural ability No, he didn't he didn't know what to do with the body When be known was like, oh

I'm gonna work on this stuff because with this body I have the tangibles because I just came out this way. The game, he's forced to have to do those things in order to be where he is. Be a part of the game. Yeah, he got to inherit something. He has to. Like, his height is his height, right?

If he was, just say if he was younger, right? I mean older. If he was older, he would have been back to the basket guy. That's what it would have been. The game has forced him to have to be able to face the basket and be able to handle it. So what he's seeing... So now it's that. So yeah, you can't teach

you. I agree with both of them, but it's size, it's ability, it's strength, it's speed, it's all of those natural things that when you step in the door with... You're stepping in the door with, yes. Like, I things that when you step in the door with. You're stepping in the door with. Yes.

Like, you came out the womb with it. Right? This is something that you were born with. Yeah. Right? Like, I was having a conversation with a guy at a party the other day. He was asking me about my jump in the building. I was like, he asked me if I ever worked on anything.

Like, what did you? Because he asked me about KJ. He said, KJ, man, what you had your son doing? Nothing. Born. And that's what KJ. He said, KJ, man, what you had your son doing? Nothing. Born. And that's what I said. He said, huh? I said, he was born that way. He said, so what did you do?

I'm like, I was born that way. So you never did any, I said, no. When I got to college, I got stronger. I became more powerful. But natural ability, no, I was always here. Like, so it's that, right? But I look at LeBron, I look at a Shaquille O'Neal, I look at a Wimby, I look at-

See, people can't understand, I don't think people can understand when we say, when I said, okay, before there's rewards, right? When I said, you know, tiger woods and all these guys these guys was already identified as special beings before they became a professional right when the draft comes right those first couple picks they're looking for the the person that they think is walking in with a special gift. So when you say Joker, if they thought Joker was a generational, there's no way he goes in a second round. They don't give a fuck about.

If he was considered generational from an early age, it's being picked. Right? When Mark Cuban, when they did all their studying, and they're like, whoa, he's borderline generational with his height, how he moved. We're picking him. They were going to do anything to get that man. And obviously, his algorithm

was right. You know who is considered a generational person? Chris Humphries. He was 16. Yeah, coming out, but... 20 or 10, guy. No, no, no, no, no.

Right, now think about his size, his body, right? He was a generational talent as a swimmer. 10-year-old phenom set a world record, and it wasn't broken to 20 years. I know you're going to go 20 years later. I'm curious.

He was the Michael Phelps. Not Michael. He beat Phelps and Lochte back in the day. Yeah. Decided, decided, I want to play basketball. Right? Decide it. Decide it. I want to play basketball. So lungs, arm, everything. He was the

Michael Jordan or whatever of the pool. And didn't get into that realm and went somewhere else. But his gifts of who he was was good enough to make the NBA. That's what generational talent is.

You can take some of these people and say, you're supposed to be an NBA player, let's put you in baseball, and to translate, and he becomes a professional baseball player. Like Deion Sanders. Generational. Bo Jackson, that's what generational is. It doesn't have nothing to do with the accolades.

When you get there, it's before. Bo Jackson played in the NFL as a hobby. Yeah. Only people understand what I just said. He played in the National Football League

as a hobby. He's a baseball player. I ain't got nothing to do right now. You know what? I'll go back and play with y'all. The total team, not the draft. Right? The total bucks, not the drafting.

I ain't coming. Y'all draft me. You know what? I just go play baseball four times. Y'all need to run. Y'all need to run it back? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They traded an all-pro.

For him? Got rid of Marcus Allen. Right. Because he... So... Now, that's generational. And gifted in... I'm going to throw another name a lot of people don't know,

but Dave Winfield. Basketball, football, baseball. baseball, drafted by four different leagues. This is going to be crazy, too. You know, I was Googling, right? Like, before you, you know, they said Danny Ains was a... Yeah. Was he the three-sport All-American, right? Was it football, basketball...

Baseball, I think. Like, just. just, Jim Brown. Like, I mean, it just... Cross legend. But that's why I said it's more of that... If they say, take away, we put these guys, take away their... Take away whatever they're good at

and say, all right, we're going to play this... This... This unknown sport. Now pick your players. Right? Pick who you're going with. You're going with, okay, the physical,

like you're going to go with who looks like the motherfucker that's sitting on their tippy toes. Like, okay, he got some bounce in the body. You know what I mean? So, Danny H, high school,

only high school athlete ever named first team All-American in football, basketball, and baseball. Don't know if that's been broken since, but. It's like, back in the day right when they go into war Line everybody like shit. I'm definitely taking you

I'm gonna go him It's that right so that's what it like this is what this is like this is like we're going to work So I want the biggest Attributes I can see like the physical shit that I can see who I think go go help me out in these moments And that's what this That's what sports is yeah, that's right. So bringing it back to judge. Yeah, bring it mm-hmm Like you can't fucking teach that good at it right? Six seven

Like being hit that ball that you can't teach it but you can look at and be like I did he not like that He's not like that. You know like these other His ability like he said I'm swinging his bat seventy eighty percent of my strength Who yeah, huh? And he hit that motherfucker 400. And my number's 99. Yeah, yeah. My number's 99. I already know what I can do.

For a creative player. Ain't still the only one to be a high school all-American, football, baseball, basketball. We got it confirmed by our producers, but I want to bring it back. So if I would have stayed at the private school I flunked out of my sophomore year, could we have played like a 2A. Yeah. Probably could have been. You could have probably.

Shit. Shit. Man, like. Yes. For as many things as you were on the basketball court, I can only imagine on the football field. Playing a 2A? But playing a 2, not, no.

See, Texas is huge. I'm not saying I'm like 10 11 12 5 8. That's Here all of them at the booths can go out there. Yeah Baseball different track different all that shit different out there, but at the 2a school all of them hell Yeah, we was coming out the hood. I was bringing dudes out the hood to the private Yeah, and we were running the sports. So yeah, but then a shot of getting age though. That's dope So I want to bring it back well Kyrie LeBron and just looking ahead to his NBA finals. What would winning a chip without LeBron mean for Kyrie's legacy?

Because right now they still treat him as LeBron's little bro. Who does? Just kind of the narrative. You mean the LeBron fans? Actually, I don't even know. LeBron fans can't leave shit alone. No, what's so funny is that LeBron can't even leave shit alone. Nah, it ain't.

It's a relevant topic. He can't leave shit alone. And their what's so funny? LeBron can't even leave shit alone. Nah, it ain't LeBron fans. It's a relevant topic. He has shit alone. And their friends are getting out. What do you mean you miss him? He can move around. That's what I said. Nah, it's not LeBron's fans. Move around.

LeBron fans don't. I don't want to hear that shit. Let Kyrie be Kyrie, man. They can't miss each other. You're here or you're not. Nigga, relax. They both said that they were trying to get back together. Sit down.

That's what I'm saying. You're using a narrative. Sit down. It's anti-media for Kyrie fans. It's the hatred towards Kyrie. You're knocking

his career and saying, oh, you only wanted shit because of LeBron. That's those guys who are trying to be anti-Kyrie because of stuff that has nothing to do with anything It's not work and but you feel like there's a potential for them to say you only want to chip because now you have Luca But I feel like Kyrie, you know what?

To LeBron to yeah, you only want but that's only one guy got and that's why that's why I said it was a LeBron Because because if you watch the game, Kyrie earned his ring. We know he earned his ring. I think just Kyrie himself as a basketball player wanted to prove to himself that he can be the full lead dog and win the chip. And I think we can't say he regrets the decision, but we can say he probably thinks about that decision a lot, knowing how it panned out. Hindsight.

Hindsight. He has a chance to, you know, make himself whole. The basketball community itself, we know the chip he won was because of him too. Right? 1A, 1B, and then depending on what game, he was 1A, LeBron was 1B. Right? what game he was 1A, LeBron was 1B, right? So, you know, I think the championship, if he wins it, this is for him. I think he's redeeming his decisions that has happened. I don't, the last, the decision to, you know, not take the shot and all that, that's not part of his,

that's not part of Kyrie's book. I think that the time he decided to go to Boston, I think for him itself, because he was getting to his own, right, he was, he felt that I'm not robbing I am a superman too, and I want to show everybody I'm a superman too I think it's just that that one two years form. I think that's what this championship is over with I'll say this quote

from Kyrie I Want to be traded. I want to be the focal point of a franchise. And I'll never be that here. Goes to Boston. Unfortunately, things happened family-wise that put him in a disarray mentally. He couldn't really deliver the way he wanted to because of the things off the court, right?

His career then goes in a certain direction because now you're trying to battle expectations from Boston, and then you're going to other teams now trying to figure out that path and find that way. He finally found a place where he can be himself outside of the shit we consider the most diabolical shit in sports, what happened in Brooklyn during the COVID shit. Because he took a stance

and then he shared a link and all of a sudden he should be canceled from the whole sport. Think about rebounding from that, going to Dallas where you're now playing

super second fiddle to the newest superstar in the league. How do you fit in with this? And I even questioned it. Like, yeah, man, I don't know what Kyrie going to do here except for be number two. But as maturity tells you,

you learn to be a contributor to something great, and that's what he's doing. So now when he has the opportunity to be back into a position where he can show that his greatness is his greatness from the number one pick, from playing at Duke, from being a focal point of a franchise and then being overtaken by some guy who didn't want to stay where the fuck he was at in Miami, now you want to bring me back up. You wish you never broke up with me. Okay. And that's fair, but also from the other side, how much is it part of Kyrie's Now you won't bring me back up you for which you never broke up with me Okay, that's fair but also from the other side how much is it part of Kyrie's growth to say look I want to go Do this and be the man

try it but then recognize I got a great opportunity to come here and But this he signed with them so but this is this was my whole thing about The the same thing we were talking about earlier, right? The T-Mac, the music. This is the example of it, right? If we stop Kyrie's career during that rough time, what does his name look like? He got a chance. He was here.

He fell, hit rock bottom. Now he's back up. It's the career. We got to see what makes you great. The fact that the world turned against you. They say to you, you averaging 27. They say you need to retire. You ain't shit.

And you're here. It's the character that kept fighting. He didn't quit when he got knocked down or it felt like he got knocked down. He came back up and now he's in this position. So that's what makes us us. You break your leg, number one. Break it again. Had a career, right? That's what, it's the bounce back, the Derrick Rose, right?

Lost his career. They thought it was over. Goes to Timberwolves, scores 50. Tears come. And I know why he was crying There was nights he probably cried thinking he would never get his career back He would never be able to play like this again So when he did it it it's it's it's for those nights

But if Derrick Rose would have stopped there We would have never seen the growth of Derrick Rose, the mentor of Derrick Rose, the person. That's what careers are, right? So when someone says, if Gil, if you had to vote to vote him in the Hall of Fame, I'm voting him in the Hall of Fame because his stats don't do it because of unfortunate circumstances. But the person himself was a Hall of Fame person what he started with what he went through and the fact that he still fought the rest of his career that's Hall of Fame okay I was Kyrie one of your favorite players no you caused a stir earlier in the season with the comments about him Maluka but I think the other point is

this Mavs squad finished 11th last season, doesn't make the playoffs. Kyrie, free agent, can go wherever he wants. Decides to stay. And now this same squad, minus a few adjustments and trades that were made before the deadline, now going to the finals.

And I don't think it's unreasonable for any of us, we talked about it yesterday, to say that Kyrie can win finals MVP. I feel like it's wide open. Obviously, if the Mavs win, it'll likely be Luka because he's going to fill up the stat sheets. But what we saw in Kyrie in the Western Conference Finals, he has the ability to take over games and he has the chip on his shoulder going back up against Boston in that situation. So the question for you, Kenyon, is what version of Kyrie do you expect to see in the NBA finals? 2016. 2016 version. Like Gil just stated,

it can, either night it can be 1A, 1B. Like, they, like I stated last year, they're going to have to average between Luka and Kyrie from 60 to 68 points between them in the series. And he could be on the higher end of that. He could be the 33 or 34, whatever. Like, I just, yeah. So I'm expecting that version, that 2016 killer version of Kyrie Irving in the finals. Focused, clear head, more mature.

Yeah, so from the tip, I'm expecting him to come out and be that alpha and be that assassin that we know he can be. It's high stakes. So the last time we saw him on these stages, he's a... So... Rashad, what version of Kyrie are you expecting to see in the NBA Finals? I think this is going to be the most challenging situation for him offensively.

I like to talk hoop when we go into depth with shit like this. OKC, Minnesota. The defenders that he had on him and the team he had on him are newcomers to his style of play. They're not used to knowing what the hell is Kyrie's going to do to us, what are we expecting.

I think the Boston Celtics, between Drew Holiday's leadership on the defensive end when it comes to experiencing Kyrie Irving through the duration of his career can be able to coach them through knowing how to guard Kyrie for this series. And even though Kyrie's good enough to get his lays, get his finishes, bank shots, all that stuff in the pick and roll, I think it's going to be a tougher challenge for him to hit 30 plus, even 25, because we've seen him have games where he has 16, 15, where he kind of just let Luka do him. I think this is going to be the toughest one because they have actual experienced defenders. I think McDaniels and Ant-Man just didn't have what it takes to take care of both of

them, neutralize Luka and Kyrie. Lou Dort and Shea, they knew to this, right? So Kai and them could take their leadership and their experience to another level and say, I know they can't guard this. When I go to this, they can't get to this. But Drew, I think is gonna take it personal to match up with Kairi. And I think Jaylen Brown is gonna take it personal when switched off. And really sit down and really try to guard Kyrie and put a stop to it. It's going to be as tough as y'all.

I'm not saying he can't overcome it. He can't do what he does. I just don't think it's going to be at the highest clip where we're going to see him dominate at 30 plus. Because that means he's going to have to take more shots. And I don't think he's comfortable right now with the way that their offense is moving. To take more than the shots he's going to have to take more shots. And I don't think he's comfortable right now with the way that their offense is moving to take more than the shots he's been taking. Even in that last game, you know, he had 36. But that came at the effect that Minnesota was being fucking railroaded at that point.

So it was just like, he can do what he want. They had already given up. What are you averaging this series? Against the Timberwolves? Well, I think we anywhere from 23 to 22. Like 27, I thought, but... Yeah, they both averaged about... One second.

Yeah, 27, 5, and 4. What did he average in OKC? About like 25. I don't think he averaged really well. He wasn't that aggressive. He was passing actually was. He wasn't that aggressive. He was passing the ball. He was 16. He was being a facilitator.

Six and two rebounds. He wasn't looking to score. Which version do you think you're going to see? The 27 and more, Kyrie. That's what I said. It's like when Ant-Man said that. Yeah. Think about his mentality going into that series, though, with the Timberwolves knowing we're going to go pick and roll

and who I can get my 27 on. No. Ant-Man said, I got him. That's where 27 came from. But they came in the pick and roll. It wasn't on one-on-one with Ant-Man. All Kyrie's points came pick and roll switches, going to the basket, bank shots, left hand, pull-ups.

Kyrie was one-on-one. Threes. It wasn't. It wasn't. It was the same game as what? Just this time, someone challenged me to stop me, and I'm going. It was pick and rolls. That was their whole game.

Pick and roll, lobs, and the whole night. He was just being more aggressive than he was in round one. In the first half, too. He was doing more first half aggression. In the first half of the first series. Make y'all a judge. Even the Clippers series. Getting everybody... Make y'all a judge. Even the Clippers series.

Getting everybody involved. Came out against OKC, getting everybody involved, getting these guys in the fourth quarter. He was winning the last five, six minutes. He would turn it on. Against Minnesota, he came out there, motherfucker. The man said he was going to guard him. Average 27. Ain't nobody said shit, but he know what's on the other side.

And Drew and Der Derek and those guys he so therefore the I think gonna be up for the challenge and They gonna have a hard time. So he averaged 27 six rebounds five assists against the Clippers to Drop off obviously versus the Thunder wasn't it wasn't it's not like they stopped me just wasn't aggressive It's like he didn't need to he was aggressive when when he wanted to. And it seems like the Celtics are- PJ Washington played well against Oakland. That was Derrick Jones, he was deferring shots and stuff like that when he could have been taking.

I don't see him doing that right now. So we asked the chat, is Kyrie the most gifted NBA player ever? Over 7,000 votes. 51% said yes, 51% said yes. 49% said no. So you mentioned PJ.

You know what's funny is if if if Mavs win win win win the Mavs win? Nah. It depends. Win the match, win?

Nah. Like, Boston would have to really just be dumb. No, Boston, there's Medallas McPhee. If Boston plays dumb come out and trap Luka on a pick and roll. They're not. Then they have a bad, bad scout. They have bad, what what are the analytic team? Because per possession every time you trap

Luca Points per 100. They're sitting at about 65 to 68 points switching 110 110 switching sagging on no 110

is drop coverage drop coverage switching is 112 trap 67 out of 100 possessions so if you don't even

think about it you you literally are a moron because if you're gonna switch switch and drop, they're going to. Yeah, I'm telling you where they're going to play it, man. They got all the same size guys. They got good, listen, they got good defending Drew,

good defending Derrick White. Let me tell you what happens. Go ahead. Let me tell you what happens. All right, what y'all talking about is putting Derrick Lively in that pick and roll. All right. For Luka. Luka pick and roll with Derrick Lively. Or Gafford, right? That's what y'all talking about is putting Derrick Lively in that pick and roll. Right? I don't give a fuck. Luka pick and roll with Derrick Lively.

Or Gafford, right? That's what y'all are assuming. No. So if you do guard to guard, pick and roll. Uh-huh. They gotta switch. They gonna switch it. Yep. I'm saying trap. So you're saying trap it. Regardless. So who you throwing the two of us guard to guard? Kyrie.

So you gonna leave Kyrie open? Now you see why I said Kyrie could. That's what I was getting to. So you're going to leave Kyrie open? If they do their defense right, that's where this conversation was going. If they play smart basketball where the stats say trap Luka on all picking roles, there's no other defense you even think about That means the only option left to take over a game will be Kyrie

So so you cannot play Luka switch. You can't play him and drop the the stats say it Does not exist in his world So you saying you saying that the Bostonells would be dumb if they don't double? They would be idiots. Right, so that means Kyrie of the guard-to-guard pick and roll. That's what he said. Whoever said it,

trap him. The stats say trap him. The stats say trap him because it's damn near a 40% drop-off on Mavs offense which means Kyrie turns into Terminator so they did win and deep that defense was played Kyrie as a chance of being the finals MVP all right so in them in the wolf

series the reason they did the pick and roll and they didn't switch it or they didn't trap it is because they you know it with lively or gaffer right because they don't they dumb? They thought they're they thought their individual one-on-one defense was good enough to stop Luca. That's what they was dumb Okay, but we talked about if they did trap that last play they would have threw it to who? Lively all right, and we're living with him making a play Decision okay, so in this series if we're not throwing it to Lively and living with that. So, that means Lively's not doing the pick and roll? That means that Lively's not doing the pick and roll.

That means we're doing a guard-to-guard pick and roll. We're throwing it to P.J. Washington. We're throwing it to Jones. Or we're throwing it to Kyrie. That's a whole different scenario. You cannot live with that. Point six seven says you do. What do you mean point.67? The stats?

Out of 100 possessions, they're scoring 67 points if you trap Luka on a pick and roll. With the bigs? With who? Pick and roll. Anytime you put two on Luka. It ain't no anytime. We don't have the stats for the guard-to-guard pick

and roll and what happens. And then the bigs. It's a of pick and roll. We don't have the stats for the guard-to-guard pick and roll and what happens. It's a double team. And then the big. It's a double team. It's a double team. Anytime you put two on it. We need to know what that looks like. Anytime you put two pick and rolls, the percentage is.67.

If you do drop coverage, it's 1.1. He's scoring. The team is going to average at least 110. If you switch it, 112. All right. So, therefore therefore stats say 40 percent less double this man that man So double the man so for me if you double him and we full rotate cuz I'm not

We talked stats like we don't know who like let's talk hoop. Let's not happens when I double you you do what this has the ball And go around over we talk about guard to guard. It doesn't matter where you go. It has to go somewhere else besides Luca, right? Yes, and it's going to who? Don't matter. It does matter. It does matter somebody all know it matters So if it's a big tub if I go pick and roll with Kyrie Irving and it's a double and he's open for the fucking three. We have to full rotate. And if I full rotate to Kyrie like any smart person would then go.

Got Washington in the corner. You got Jones Jr. over there. You got two shooters. And it's.67 with them doing that. They're not two shooters. What you mean they're not two shooters? I'm not afraid of them. I think they're going to win but I'm not afraid of them doing that. They're not two shooters. What you mean they're not two shooters? I'm not afraid of them.

I think they're going to win, but I'm not afraid of them as shooters. It's.67 once you double. I want the ball to find it. Like I said, Kyrie is on this court. You don't like analytics. You don't like all these analytical motherfuckers coming in. Kyrie is on this court also, right? So if it goes to Lively and he gives it to Kyrie, Kyrie is on this I'm pouring ball. So right so if it goes alive and he gives it to Kyrie Kyrie still has a Rotating outside of lively if it's lively in the pick and roll and we're doubling Luca and then lively gets it. We're not leaving

Okay, can I make him make a play? We're gonna soldier clip. Okay, you got it. Okay, we're gonna go with you And you don't that we're gonna go we're gonna go with your your theory. Let's play it out Who's guarding Luka? Derrick White. No, wrong, wrong. Derrick White. Oh, this is his match, sorry. Okay, Derrick White.

Okay. My bad. Derrick White. Who you want to do pick and roll with? You said guard to guard. Let's do pick and with? You said guard to guard. Let's do pick and roll. You said guard to guard. Let's do pick and roll with Derrick Jones.

You just said Derrick. You said guard. Your whole argument right now is guard to guard. Derrick Jones not a guard? I... Okay. Who's going... Uh-huh.

Is Derrick Jones not a guard? Derrick Jones a starting guard? Bro, what are you talking about? Derrick Jones. No. The guard is Kyrie. But I know what you thought. When I said,

when I said, do the pick and roll, and you was thinking guard to guard, you realized, you realized the switch. No, no, he knew what it was. No, no, no. You're was their guard. No, no, no You're saying four guards in a big you're saying

Washington guard pants all of them are gone. Listen, he knew what he knew what was happening when I when he put Derek right on him and the Guard was a And the guard was coming and it was going to switch it. Now you're switching Drew Holiday on. He thought about it. Either one.

No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I did not. Yes, you did. No, I didn't. You knew who was going to be guard. Let's change it right now then. Okay.

Drew Holiday's guarding. Okay. Guarding Luka. Guarding Luka. Okay. No, no, no. Let's change it even more. Okay.

Change it again. Jalen Brown. Guarding Luka. Jalen Brown guarding Luka. Okay. All right. Derrick Jones comes in to set the guard to guard. Are all of these guards?

A forward now. Okay, is Jalen Brown a guard? No. He's not. So now we're switching up positions for the fake that y'all want to survive in this conversation now. I don't think Jalen Brown is a guard. We're playing a four-guard series. Both teams have four guards.

But you want to say that, alright, Jason Tatum's a forward, Jalen Brown's a forward, I get it. But you guys know as hoopers, these are guards. And this is a guard-to-guard switch if they go guard-to-guard pick and roll. Regardless of how you feel, you know that.

You know that. Same size guard. Same size guard. Same size.. Guard is the same. Same size guys. Same size. Same size. Same size is not their position. Switch the conversation. No, it's not their position.

Same size. PJ Washington is a four. Same size. Derrick Jones is a three. Four. Same size. A three and four. Okay, so why the fuck am I doing a pick and roll?

Then why the fuck? Same size. Why am I doing a pick and roll to get the same type of dude on me? Because you just said we're going to double Luca regardless. That's why. You said we're going to double Luca regardless. So Dallas, send Derrick Jones Jr. over there to fucking set a screen so you can be the facilitator and not lively. Okay.

Period. Okay. So when they double, we got two guards on Luca. Jones, you either go dunk that bitch, cause you're a high flyer. I'm rotating. Now you're gonna rotate on Jones. Who's open?

Lively. Washington. Lively, the one you're trying to get rid of. Washington. Is open. Okay. Can I ask you another question? He's shooting, what is his shooting percentage? I think he's about 38. PJ Washington?

Yeah, I think he's about 38. You can't change on your fantasy lineups and your fantasy movements, you can't change.67 on trapping him, right? I'm talking football. There's a reason he does not do guard to guard because obviously he needs to pick and roll to get past the first nigga he has on him. I want this person off me, so I'm going to do a pick and roll to get somebody else that I don't want. So if I have this guy on me and I'm doing a pick and roll, the same guy on me is pointless.

We know you get loud when you're wrong. It is pointless. We know you get loud when you're wrong. It is pointless. We know you get loud when you're wrong. If I got Drew Holiday on me and I do a pick and roll to get white on me, I don't want him either. I want Lively's guy on me because I know...

You said double regardless. I'm doing a pick and roll with a big man because if they switch, I get the big man on me. I am not doing a pick and roll with Kyrie's guy because I don't want that nigga guarding me because I can't get past him either. There's a reason I do pick and roll.

I do pick and roll because I'm slow-footed and I need an advantage. I can't get an advantage if it's same size switching and that's why they don't do it. You don't make any sense. You just said that the statistics said trap regardless of what happens. If you trap this guy, whether it's lively or anybody, the statistics say this. Yes.

So then why wouldn't I do a guard to guard where I got two guards? Why? Because they haven't. Exactly. Because it's not part of their plays. They haven't. It's not part of their plays. If I'm Boston, why wouldn't I do it?

Because it's not part of their plays. If I'm Boston, why would I trap? Why would you? If I'm Boston, why would I trap the pick and roll? There's no statistic for it. Because. There's no statistic for it. Wait, hold on.

The statistic for trapping him says 67%. You're trying to recreate something that they don't do. I'm being a coach. I'm being a coach. That's fantasy. I'm being a coach. Fantasy. No, it's not.

It's fantasy. It's realistic. Jason Kidd, if they're going to trap us, like Gil said, you'll be stupid, Boston Celtics, to not trap Luka. Okay, hey, team, they're going to trap us regardless of who we throw in the pick and roll. Let's do a guard to guard where our guard is facilitating.

That's the smartest thing you could do as a fucking coach. Okay, but that's not real. How? Because it hasn't happened, they don't do it. Exactly it hasn't, because I just told them to fucking do it. You're arguing about some- I just shot Stradamus, did it again. Hey Jason Kidd, if you're watching this, do a fucking guard to guard pick and roll, let's

your guard facilitate the goddamn game, and you'll have open threes You mean same size guys because if we say guard they're not it's it's shot for double No, I'm just saying if you do go if you're gonna do don't say the Celtics are dumb if they don't Fucking trap and I'm saying hey Celtics if you go by Gil's logic and you do trap. Hey Mavericks. This is what you can fucking do to beat that So I would say Celtics don't fucking do that shit because there's a way to beat it I can't be aware beat it if you just made it up Hey Celtics

If you're a hooper my shit don't't make sense, ask them. If you're a hooper and my shit don't make sense, give me a thumbs fucking down, goddamn it, bro. Because if we look at hoop and we could draw this shit up right now, if you gave me a board and we drew this up right now, Luca, pick and roll, top of the key, guard to guard. Boss it. Whoever catches the ball to facilitate that,

they got to make a decision to fucking rotate or let me go. Or, or, or, we're gonna just create some more stuff. Hey, Boston, if they do a guard-to-guard pick and roll, I'll switch it. And so they do a pick and roll with Lively, and then you're trapping. Is that your answer? Oh, man, he's scrambling. We're creating fake scenarios. If you do a pick and roll guard to guard because your best defensive players are guards

and you're saying Jalen Brown is a guard that can play defense as a two-way player, if he does any pick and roll with you guys, switch it. Now, what do you do after that? Now, what do you do? You said Boston would be dumb if they don't double the pick and roll. Don't switch it now. You just said it.

Don't say, oh, switch. You're creating a whole different scenario that doesn't even exist. It does exist. It's called guard-to-guard pick and roll. That exists in basketball. So if they do guard-to-guard pick and roll, don't switch, so a basketball or they do guard to guard pick and roll Don't switch don't double don't double don't doubt and switch. I mean don't double the pick it Oh, they do guard to guard don't double and switch it. Now. What don't double don't double and they switch it

Now what go go to work Luca? Why did he do that on the first? Exactly. That's why you don't fucking do it. You don't fucking do the pick and roll looking for a fucking switch with the fucking big man. Because if we're going to trap it regardless, you ended up giving it to Lively who can't make a fucking play. If we double Lively in a pick and roll, if we double that, you're giving it to Lively to do what? No, no, no, no, no. You can't talk your way out of this one, sir. You're giving it to Lively to do what? If Luka plays in a pick and roll, right?

And they go, and I'm saying, because, I'm saying, because Dallas playbook is Luka pick and roll with his big man. That's their playbook, right? Since that's their playbook, the stats say trap him because it's 67. Okay? Now you want to create a whole another offense. Okay, cool.

So you're saying do a guard to guard pick and roll. Since they're going to double. Well, if they're going to do guard to guard, why am I doubling? I can just switch it. Now I'm saying, what do you do now offensively? No matter what the fuck you say is gonna sound stupid, because the original guard on him, he didn't want on him.

He wants a big on him. So if he has Drew on him, he don't want Drew on him. He wants a big man on him. He wants Porzingis. He wants Al Horford. So if you go guard the guard, White or Drew guarding him, or Brown or Tatum, we can switch it. He's back

to the original form, which he is not going one-on-one in the first place. You said the Boston Celtics would be dumb not to double Luka Doncic in the picking role regardless. Because their picking role is one in this. You said regardless, Gil. You said it don't matter.

When I said guard to guard, you said it don't matter. Because the statistic says this is the success regardless. Guard to guard or lively. And I I said, okay that doesn't make sense because there's a solution to that That's all bro. And I proved that you can't prove something. That's fantasy It's fantasy your dog. You're making it up how cuz it doesn't exist. It does exist. Show me the facts. I just explained it. I don't give a fuck what you said. I just explained it. I don't give a fuck what you said.

Show me. Show me. When they go guard to guard, what is their percentage? Show me. I asked that. I said, well, what are the percentages for guard to guard? And you just said, oh, everything. It's all included.

You said it's all included. I was like, well, it can't be all included because they haven't separated it. I said that. They're on a trap with Luka. No matter what fucking fantasy stats, whatever fucking fantasy scenarios you're going to put up, right? It is 6.67. That is the stat. That sounds like it's just the stat with the blue.

If I say every time we leave Rashad open He shoots 20% from three and then you say hey, hey Take one bounce. You don't shoot 80. You got your rhythm. You don't shoot 80 They got your rhythm just take one bounce get your rhythm and shoot it He's grand that's that does not exist for you to be right. You're scrambling, bro. No, you scrambled. You're scrambling. Because that's what you want them to do on a guard-to-guard pick-and-roll between two guards that he don't want on him anyway. You said double the pick-and-roll regardless. Gil, you can't get out of this.

You said that. I didn't say double the pick-and-roll regardless. You did. That means that there's no switch anymore. So stop saying switch. Guard them. Okay, we guard them no matter what the pick and roll is. Double it.

Double it. That's what you're saying? Yes. All right, and I'm saying if they're going to do that. They're going to means they don't do it. Oh, my. So what you're trying to say doesn't even exist. What the fuck are you talking about?

They don't do that. It's obvious that they don't do it. They haven't played each other yet the fuck are you talking about? They don't do that. It's obvious that they don't do it. They haven't played each other yet. What are you talking about, bro? They haven't even met. They haven't played each other yet. Of course they haven't done it yet. So what you're saying doesn't even exist.

And what I'm saying is going to be the solution to what you're saying. You're saying double. Then how can you be right about it? You're saying double. We're gone. How can you be right about a solution that doesn't even exist because the solution is guard to guard you have to make a decision Now compared to lively you don't you can say lively Hey, hey, and if Shaq was white Shaq will be bird. Okay fantasy is fantasy. How you can win fantasy

It's not you can't win fantasy. It's not matter. You can't win fantasy. It's not fantasy, bro. No matter what you say, it's fantasy. We're talking basketball. It's not real. We're talking basketball strategy. We're talking X's and O's in a real basketball scenario. And you're calling it fantasy because we haven't seen it yet. What are you talking about, bro? You're acting like you you never played basketball before like like that

She was so crazy about this conversation is the fact no no no I came up with a solution to your problem your problem being Double this no matter what? Double this no matter what I say well that would mean that if you did this That mean they would have to change up their strategy. Because you're leaving a dangerous guy who can make a play wide open after the double team, no matter what. This is not lively in the pick and roll anymore, where you can say, hey, man, at least we can slow rotate back to lively because he's not a threat. No, you're now passing to a threat with a threat in the corner wide open, what are you going to do now? That's not fantasy.

That's not fantasy, Gilbert. It is because it doesn't exist. So you're making a play and saying, what am I going to do now, right? With Lively? No, you said, what am I going to do now on this? I said switch picking roles with

guard to guard. Since you introduce something that doesn't exist I'm gonna introduce something switch it guard to guard now. What do you do? Yeah, I know it's Wow Wow, you're changing you you're changing something up. So no he's Go It's what you so listen What he is saying is the stats says double team Luka, right? You're saying you gave a scenario to debunk the stat.

Go guard to guard, right? Now, he came back with his scenario, right? It's y'all playing chess now. And I'm winning. I said switch it. You don't even have And I'm winning. I said switch it. You don't even have to. No, I'm saying switch it. You're saying no, you can't switch it now.

You got to keep doubling and doubling. You got to give him something different. No, but he's not giving me nothing. I gave you something different. Now he's going back to switching it. But he said no matter what, you would be dumb as boss not to double the pick and roll. Because if you throw it to Kyrie, then you run another play. Then he's saying to switch it, right?

So if you go guard to guard, right? Which they don't do. He is just going to switch it then, right? But he's saying they'll be dumb not to double. Yeah, because how they play, they don't do guard to guard. Because the stats say. You're creating guard to guard. I'm creating the solution.

So think about what you're saying. They don't do what you're saying. So the stats say Do this on how they play so you're saying okay don't play like that play like this now what okay? They're gonna play like this sir. I'm gonna switch it I'm only saying that because you said double it no matter what that's the only reason the solution is there But I won't saying you would be dumb not to double Luca in all situations There's all his situations are in this way. It's only in one way cuz it's that going with the big, okay? Like you said, we don't know. We don't so it's just the step overall

We don't know if it's only one player though So I this guard to guard we don't know if it's only one player, though. If it's guard to guard. We don't know if it's guard to guard, big to big. He's saying it's not. We don't know. I'm saying we don't know if the situation is how many times Kyrie and Luke has run pick and roll

during the year. We don't have that. We don't have that. I introduce it's overall, right? So the overall stat says when Luka is involved in a pick and roll, no matter who's involved, to put two on him. Right. That's the.67 possession, right? Listen to what y'all...

So to put any... To put any... No matter who's in it, two on him. Put two on him. That's what the stat says. Yes. So he's saying that if they're not doing that, they're not paying attention to analytics because the analytical part of the game is huge now

to get the ball out of Luka's hand no matter who's setting the screen. No matter who's setting. No matter who's setting. And I said this. Okay, since it doesn't matter who's setting it. You put the guard on him. Put a guard. Now, can you do that same scenario?

Then he just said no to switching. He said no. To switching. To switching. He said no. He said no to switching. And then to counter, he said to switching. Now what?

No. Now what? That means that you cannot do that in a guard-to-guard. What? Yeah, you could. If you're going to double it no matter what. You could. And I introduced guard-to-guard. Yeah, you could. If you're going to double it no matter what. You could. And I introduced guard-to-guard. That means now no, now switch it.

That's the other, of course, that's the other element. You could do it because if they are hell-bent on statistics and these things, you could do it, right? The stat says to put two on it. If you're big

and if you're analytical, the way you run your shit is 50-50, then the stat says to double it. But if you are like we are, we fucking 80-20 basketball analytics, it says not to run it. They just going to switch the shit.

If they're going to switch it every time we go guard to guard, so the guard has it. time we go guard to guard, so the guard has it. And now he says, well, if we go guard to guard, that means switch it. Us basketball people saying we're not going to go guard to guard. And when I say guard, they're just going to put a big in it, right? Yeah, because that's what they do. They put a big in it. You're creating something that's not there.

You're creating, as a basketball mind, you're creating a guard-to-guard switch. But thinking that we're thinking that we're going to keep the same, but when I introduce, well, if they're going to go guard-to-guard, I will just switch it. You don't want to answer this. Oh, because

that's not the original statement. The original statement doesn't have your fake fantasy plays in it. No, it's not. It's you saying no matter what happens, we're going to double Luca. Because the stat says that. Yes. All I'm saying is if you got four guards as Dallas.

But they're not. You got four guards and then Derek Lively. And if I'm Boston and I got four guards and Kristoff Bazingas. We have four. We've matched up. That means I'm going to go same size pick and roll. It just so happened that Luka is the same size as fucking four men in the NBA. You know what I'm saying? So Tatum and Jalen Brown are all the same.

Stay the same size. Stay the same size. So same size pick and roll. Hey, if I'm Dallas, I'm not bringing Lively up. But the stats say, no matter who says, if P.J. Washington says it, Derek Jones says it, the stats

says to trap it. If Kyrie or whoever does it, if you're going to do that, I'm throwing it to a playmaker. I understand that. So therefore, the ball is finding them and the ball is not in Luka's hands. So, the stat says we live with the possession.

And then I say if you're going to live with that, you're going to die. Don't listen to what he's saying. But you can't prove it. Because you're going to die. But it says.67. That's what the end result is. That's without the guard. You're making that up.

You're making that up. We do not know that. That's why I say result is. That's what out the garden garden is. You're making that up. You're making that up. We do not know that. That's why I say you don't know that. You're just creating. That's not real stat yet. That's a real strategy. All right. That's a point.

That's a real strategy. Where's your. You can't say. Hey. Oh, hey. He can do the pick and roll with the coach. It was a good try. Like you creating shit that doesn't.

You're going away from hoop and you know it. So we asked the chat. I don't give a fuck about that. I know you don't care. It doesn't matter what the chat says. Right now. Now it don't matter. No, no, no.

What I'm saying is on this one. He and this is a lot of fucking people out here. A lot of sports people out here, a lot of sports people out here. They get into this right here, these conversations. I can't believe you're putting me in this. And they talk. I can't believe you're doing that to me.

You spent 30 minutes talking about a fantasy scenario and think that the fantasy scenario is provable. Let's say they never run a pick and roll guard to guard. Everything you said didn't exist, doesn't exist. That means they played 80, 90 something. They played 90 fucking games, sir. 90 something games. And the stats on 90 something games they played 90 fucking games, sir. 90 something games. And the stats on 90 something games is this.

So, you want to create a scenario to beat the 90 game scenario and have no games to prove it. And say, ta-da! I won! Ha-ha won I'm oh no I'm only no one to pick a role

because I can tell you that we gonna pass it to this guy this guy's gonna go down here we got Michael Jordan jr. over here we're gonna throw the Michael Jordan jr. they're gonna put Tim Hardaway jr. in here and Tim John Hardaway do go hit all his threes we're gonna pass it pass it to him. He's going to have 50. That's your argument. No, it's not. That's your argument. No, that's something you can't prove.

That's your argument. I didn't say none of that. You can't prove. I didn't say none of that. Can I say it my way? How do you prove it? You know my way sounds way better than your way. Yeah, because you know my way sounds way better than your way.

Go. My way. Let's hear your way. My way. Let's hear it. Hey, Boston Celtics, you're gonna double the pick and roll No matter fucking what This is what the fucking Dallas Mavericks are going to do

Because we're not just talking about Derek Lively running up there in the pick and roll anymore Which is what you're used to 90% of the fucking time 100 a hundred percent of the time You're used to Derek Lively because you know why because they wasn't doubling you Do you know a Josiah? You know, they wasn't doubling you. That's the whole thing. It's like you would be dumb not to double him You'll be dumb not to double them cuz nine hundred percent of the time you have it a hundred percent of the time you haven't Doubled them which resulted in step back threes for games So now you're saying you guys would be stupid not to double him this series, which is the anomaly.

This is the anomaly series where now we have to come up with some type of scenario that would combat this 100%. So if we're going to double him regardless of who runs into the pick and roll, why wouldn't we put somebody who can make a play in the pick and roll? Yeah, we haven't done it before. But this is basketball.

Just like if we never run this out of bounds OB, never in practice, but hey, coach, I'm about to draw this play up. Hey, guys, are you smart enough to run this fucking play? Basketball players? I'm going to draw this play up. This is what we're doing now. We ain't did it all year.

But we're doing it right now. Derek, go into the fucking pick and roll. They double it. You get it. You go. Make a fucking play. Ta-da. Can I ask you a question?

You haven't ran a play all year. You haven't ran it all year. You're going to draw it up. What's the result? Nothing, nigga. You just made it up because you haven't ran it all year. Ta-da! Has the series started?

Ta-da! It starts tomorrow. No matter how you finish it. Ta-da! The series starts tomorrow. We got a lot to get into. So has the series started moving? There is starts tomorrow we got a lot to get into it'll be just as turnt up in high style tomorrow, but we did Hey on Friday When we do our Friday show because if we did Friday shows we will begin 40,000 because it's Friday Everybody on Friday like to be on YouTube on Friday. So we did a Friday show. There's gonna be 40,000 people in it

The body bag is already buried in the Fantasy basketball you gonna make me throw your ass in that motherfucker. He plays underdog. You gonna make me throw your motherfucker in that body bag. Underdog slash McCants fantasy. So, we asked the chat, is it obvious? 4,000 plus voters. 71%.

Hell yeah, it's obvious. We don't know what's obvious, though. Now talk to Mosey fans. We cannot confirm or deny what is We don't know what's obvious, though. Now it's time for Mostly Fans. And the A-Ship Dolls wins again! We cannot confirm or deny what is obvious, though. That's nice music, man. That's championship music. All right, we have one Mostly Fans question.

I love y'all over there. Y'all laughing at all my jokes and shit. Another turntable down there. It makes me feel so good inside. You know? Just put a leg in. Woo! Just put a leg in. Shit. So we got a video question from Underdog User Queen Jen Official.

Hey y'all. Considering all the beatings that Kate and Clark has been getting on the court, who do you think would be a good enforcer in the W for her? Like Draymond is for Steph? So who would be a good enforcer for Kaitlyn Clark, like Draymond is for Steph? The person who went on Instagram, I think last night or earlier today,

and said she will be Kaitlyn Clark's enforcer. Who was that person, Gil? Was that Angel? Hmm? Angel? No, no, no, no. No, no. I played for Atlanta.

Shooter. Make, make, um... I don't know. I know somebody out here that get physical. Shit, where Big Lee is at? What's that? Where Big Lee is?

Cambridge, actually. Big Lee is getting fucking physical shit. Go out there and and get it Rashad. He is my Who would be a good enforcer for Kayla Clark? Oh No, oh No At this point man, she need we think angel McCarty. Yeah angel McCarty Yeah, she needs some she needs a said she would come out and defend her.

She needs some security. She needs security. Security. Yeah, she needs on-court security. Everybody's good? We good once these cameras go off? Or is it going to be hostile? But you know what's the funny?

Hey, Joe. Come on, man. You got to stop this. Move around. No, but just like any star player, when we're saying that she needs an enforcer, that's every star player, because the opposing team, their job is to try to take out the stars. Exactly. Cheap shot, try to break their will. That's why Jordan had Oakley, right?

He had Oakley. Then he eventually got Dennis Rodman and Horace Grant and them. Dwyane Wade had Haslam, right? Shaq was Shaq, right? But Kobe had Shaq, you know, back there. So Jason Kinnum had Kenyon. Harvey C. Mello had Kenyon, right? Reggie Evans, you know, that motherfucker over there.

So the game itself has had protection, right? Especially for guards who can't protect themselves. They had someone that defended them. So, yes, she's going to need someone. When you hit her, they hitting you. The game is the game. She can't hit back. She can't hit back.

Like Steph. What does Steph look like trying to be dirty out there? It's just not. It ain't dirty. He need his ass clotheslined. Because I remember I tried that shit. I was built like you when he ran up on me. Car Malone said one of them pics in the back, twice.

Hit the first one, oh shit, big fella. Second one, boom. And then I tried to trip him, boom. And then he came back with the, hey. I said, huh? I was like, don't get mad at me. Yeah. Show your enforcer to deal with me.

Thanks. Cool. Damn it, my enforcer don't like me. Damn. My enforcer said he ain't protecting me until I pass him the ball. So you were not getting protection, nigga. We know you were not passing the rocker under any circumstances. Before we take off, I want to give a shout-out to all our fans out there

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