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Starting point is 00:01:39 all-star players revolt? Trace Jackson Davis put Wimby on late poster, but the number one overall pick still found a silver lining. And Isaiah Thomas has been cooking in the G League, but will the two-time All-Star get another shot in the league? Before we get into all that,

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Starting point is 00:02:33 your underdog fantasy username we'll give you a hundred dollar bonus and if you can't watch the show live with us on youtube we have audio versions available on apple spotify wherever you get your podcast from so let's get into it. You three are very, very intelligent men. I feel like you'd be successful in anything that you do. If basketball didn't work out, what would your dream job have been? Probably McDonald's. Because back then, it was still the Monopoly lottery.

Starting point is 00:03:09 And, you know, everybody was trying to be a millionaire. So I wanted to be close to the fries. So I can... Pull the... Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, nah. Yo. The railroad.

Starting point is 00:03:20 Oh, bro, I used to gamble my lunch money just to get more lunch money. Just so I can just get, I didn't want no burgers. Just fry, fry, fry, fry, fry. So I can. Trying to get boardwalk. Yeah, trying to get boardwalk. Got a hundred park places to see the boardwalk. And boardwalk never came around to nobody, man.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Hell no. I didn't know it was rigged, but I would have probably been that or a panhandler. Probably on the side of the freeway, just panhandling. With a sign? Trying to get that money, because they made good money back then. People don't know that. People get money. What kind of sign are you going to have, though?

Starting point is 00:03:49 What kind of sign would you have? Do you usually articulate? You know, the thing about it is, like, they always look sad, right? And then you feel sorry for them. I got, like, three kids at home and all that. Couldn't have used that back then, because I looked too young. Couldn't say I was a veteran, so I don't know. I would probably have been just, like just like funny telling jokes or something.

Starting point is 00:04:06 Dancing? But it's in like homeless happy don't get paid very well. Have you noticed that? When they happy, smiling and shit, you be like,

Starting point is 00:04:13 oh, you doing too good? You just try to fuck off. You need the ones that look real sad, you know, a little, oh, man, I feel bad for you.

Starting point is 00:04:20 You ain't shit, man. The ones that smiling, waving and shit, talking, you be like, yeah, you ain't hit rock bottom. You got some money, you ain't shit, man. The ones that smiling, waving and shit, talking, you like, yeah, you ain't hit rock bottom. You ain't hit rock bottom. See, dude, he ruined it for me. We had the light, he was doing his thing and he ran, somebody

Starting point is 00:04:36 he pulled his phone out of his pocket and answered his phone. He ran across the street and got in the car. I was like, see? See, see, see. You can't help people, dog. You can't do right. You really can't help people because they take advantage. Yeah. So, Ken, if basketball didn't work out for you, what was your dream job? Shit, if basketball didn't work, like or even now oh and your post basketball

Starting point is 00:05:06 life besides being a part of gills are represented by underdog fantasy wolf wolf shit there was like I don't know bro be Listen, Jack. Growing up where I grew up, shit. Shit I saw wasn't nothing to really be, like, trying to be other than a couple things. So,

Starting point is 00:05:31 what you gonna do? I feel like you would've been successful. Yeah, yeah. It would've had to be. If you didn't go that route. It would've had to. Like, that was what we saw.

Starting point is 00:05:42 But, something positive? I mean, you can find positives in... Drug dealer? It never worked out. Good for the community. It never worked out. I got to say, you get to buy new housing units.

Starting point is 00:05:56 Everybody went to lock up. Everybody went to lock up. There was nothing positive about it. Car dealerships Yeah, we had a baby. I was doing all that shit. Maybe mom folks can't when them folks came take it off Yeah, let me make here. You get that let me get that let me get that Get that Hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so we're shot if basketball did not work out. What would your dream job be? I

Starting point is 00:06:25 Always like that movie, Deuce Bigelow. There's something about that movie that inspired me. Manginas. Yeah, tickling the big feet and all that type of shit. You know what I'm saying? They need love too, everybody need love in the world. Shit, you get paid for it too? go on a date with a blind girl. I'm gonna date with a deaf girl, too Okay, yeah, yeah this damn both of you fools me yes both y'all

Starting point is 00:07:00 I'm just thinking about when I graduated like That's about it. Yeah, you work with me dollars back in the day right no Would you know I worked I worked at City Walk as a rock Climber instructor. I saw I was a dude that you wanted to come in climb the rock I was the one that holds you up. Oh, right Trust me. There was a problem just one time. Some dude was like, he didn't hit the weight requirement.

Starting point is 00:07:29 Yeah. Right? But he paid me a little extra under the table and he got up and then he decided he wanted to jump down. Jump down, I flew up. I was scared of heights. Yup. Quit after that.

Starting point is 00:07:44 Yeah. That's not a job. That's that. Yeah, that's not a job. That's not a job. Responsibility. No, like, it was just, I'm not, you know, it's... Go up, you got to come down, and I ain't like... Yeah, I'm scared of heights. Post-NBA career, man, yeah. Like balconies and stuff?

Starting point is 00:08:04 Oh, man. Yeah, like balconies and stuff. Oh man, like I don't like the height where I Can fall and not die and be handicapped. I don't like that height. So I got me one way or the other. Yeah Yeah, you gotta be cool or did yeah It can't be that in between where like 65, not 24. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to be on the 65th floor. Yeah. I got to look off and be like, yeah, I can survive that. I just like, yeah, I don't like that height. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:33 Harliss? Oh, yeah. Some, yeah. With certain things, I'm not afraid of heights to a certain degree, but it's just like certain overpass, like you're driving, I can't see the other side of it. That should give me anxiety, bro. I don't know what it is. Yeah, like it's a bridge in San Diego Like we're all went over a bit of Coronado. Hey going to this Coronado tournament. Yeah, no Miss curious at the game dog and I'm sitting at the game the whole time to get dread like damn

Starting point is 00:08:57 I got a drive back home I'm sitting the whole time. Yeah, I ain't even worried about no I ain't even looking at the gun watching the game, but my mind is named much case you didn't play like Bridges man, like we know it's like it's secure enough not to really go off days But it's either the other that bitch though. Oh Hey see that side of it. I think y'all don't y'all don't believe y'all can fly. I believe I can fly Well guess what? I'm from Missouri nigga come show me Let's go find one of these structures. That's it. That's I'm saying about 16 feet. I want you to show me

Starting point is 00:09:42 Hmm feet I want you to show me I'll be looking over there like hmm I think I can get this I think I can get this You know I'm delusional though Like going through the Malibu canyon and stuff like that I love it I usually take that around all the time I'm the one I'm the car that's closer to the You be scary

Starting point is 00:10:00 The mountain I'd rather hit that mountain than hit that rail I'm hitting that motherfucker like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, this is cool. The only one I drive on at night is the Los Virgins because that ain't bad. Yeah, that's a straight shot. Topanga and all them other ones. Los Virgins?

Starting point is 00:10:14 No, that ain't bad. I'm right by that mountain. Yeah, the Los Virgins one ain't bad. I'm the one that gets flat tires. Mulholland Drive, what? Going up and down, what? That motherfucker nice. Uh-uh. Hook them corners.

Starting point is 00:10:27 You tripped. Yeah, unfortunately. That's where, like, Kev had his accident. Mm-hmm. No thank you. So, Gil, they want to know, do you ride roller coasters? When I was younger. Your eyes closed the whole time.

Starting point is 00:10:40 Every picture you see. Oh, come on, man. I ride them. I got young. my daughter's a enthusiasm fit in it some of me got the joke the one to go here not nothing that go here like this like not only one in the car gotta be like this some of them I didn't go there like now I ain't a better fit on that So I can't go another going circles though. Like anything that goes and

Starting point is 00:11:12 Just spin around one thing. I'm a Mmm. It's always that first one. You just hear like every time I get on a It is the slow quick like oh my god what I do this. Yes Why can't we start from the bottom first like go here let me get used to it as always go all the way up Yeah, that's that noise. Yeah Maybe stop you like And then it's like that's the time to think like week later someone then died at the damn party off the damn Is he there we go right here

Starting point is 00:11:45 That's how I feel about relationships I'm like God damn Fuck is gonna happen when I get to the top of this shit emotional road. I think I'm the only one that's how to sabotage relationships No, you know No, no, you're not I'll be No, you're not. I'd be waiting for one fight like, oh my God, I can angle again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:12:09 Thank you. Lord Jesus. You didn't take the trash out. You leaving me, right? Leave me. Any little thing, let go. I feel for you. I'm never going to change.

Starting point is 00:12:17 You're waiting on the call. You're waiting on the call. But it's Tuesday. Be surprised when they come back. I thought you left. They say, why every time I come here, the microwave on high? You're waiting on the car. You're waiting on the car. It's Tuesday. Be surprised when they come back. I thought you left. They say, why every time I come here, the microwave on high? I'm trying to get out of this motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:12:32 That's my shit. You ain't going to clean up. Something wrong when you get older, man. You be trying to find ways to get out. She won't let you. She love you. Oh, yeah, buddy. Where you think you going?

Starting point is 00:12:44 Yeah. All right, let's. She love you. Oh, yeah, buddy What you think you going? Yeah Let's keep this thing moving Denver Nuggets are breaking tradition and skipping a trip to the White House that was scheduled for March 18th I've been a lot of different reports about the reasoning behind it But according to Harrison when the 18th is an off day between two road games one at Dallas on the 17th and in Minnesota on the 19th Forcing a trip to DC doesn't make a lot of sense there. Mike Malone also refuted reports that it was so they could concentrate on being the number

Starting point is 00:13:10 one seed, they just didn't feel like making the travel. So I gotta ask y'all, if y'all want to chip, would you rather go to the White House, Disneyland, or Magic City? What kind of question is that? Wait, wait, wait, when you say Magic City, I know what you mean. Who's paying for it? Team. Team sponsors.

Starting point is 00:13:27 Gil, you're paying for it. You make the most bread. Who is going to be living with lemon pepper in ass is all I'm saying. That's the cra- are you cra- are you serious? Not even a question. Yeah. No, no, Disneyland, no? No.

Starting point is 00:13:42 Disneyland? Disney, no. It's fucking 12. It is. Yeah, look at the park. It's going to the kids. No, no, Disneyland no Contrary to popular belief they have a lot of adult-centric Rising activities now with kids. I'm pretty sure that was a big promotional thing back in the day. Yeah for sure I don't think no grown-ass man was talking about I'm going to Disney World or Disney. They say Disneyland or Disney World It was Disneyland first shifted to Disney World Okay It was Disneyland first shifted to Disney World. Okay. Yeah, Disney World and Big Joe. Much bigger.

Starting point is 00:14:07 Yeah, I'm taking that. Unless they was deprived from going to Disneyland or Disney World. I mean, did we ever see them with pictures at Disney World? They always go. They did the parade there? They used to do it. They have a parade. Football.

Starting point is 00:14:20 I think it started with Phil Simms after the Giants won the Super Bowl. It became an annual tradition. Magic City. Magic City. I will take that. He going to the White House, man. He going to the White House. No, I mean, White House was probably the shit probably in the 80s and early 90s, I'm sure, because it was like this secret thing.

Starting point is 00:14:50 Now they got Instagram. Who? The white house? Man, presidents and stuff. We can see them rant all day now. We can see them talk. It's ass in the white house, too. It's some ass in the white house, too.

Starting point is 00:14:59 No, I'm just saying, back then it was more like this thing to do. like oh go just meet the president and you know hear what he's saying You know cuz we see them on only on TV then now we can watch him and follow him on YouTube So he's not important like that. They go they be doing freaky shit championship to go see him Go moving forward. What is the most important event that you skipped? Twice So moving forward, what is the most important event that you skipped? Twice. Inducted to LA City Hall of Fame and California Hall of Fame. You did not show up to either one of those? Forgot.

Starting point is 00:15:40 Both times. I'll be real with you. It was a long ceremony. I don't know what I was doing, but I knew on Thursday I had to go and prepare. But when Saturday came, I just totally forgot. I was doing other shit. Did not pull up. Did they give you a medal or a trophy? They gave me a little medal, a little thing.

Starting point is 00:16:02 Do you have it here? Yeah, of course. Okay. Kane, what's the most important event that you skipped? You make it everywhere like skipped on purpose like just say fucking I wasn't going yeah, I did that a few times Couple games. Kids birth. Yeah, I got fucking shit to do today.

Starting point is 00:16:34 Already done seen two of them. Always that tells. I'll see you next year, little nigga. Made it for all of them. You did? Yeah, I got the first one. Yeah. I got two out of five.

Starting point is 00:16:49 Shooting about 40%. Well, not KJ. I wasn't up for KJ, of course, but five out of six. Five out of six. Good percentage. Yeah, 90. Five out of six. Great.

Starting point is 00:16:58 Shop, most important event you skipped? Probably BET Awards. You didn't go to BET Awards for sure? Yeah, I just didn't feel obligated to be around a bunch of niggas. I'm good. It's the hood Oscars. Yeah, I went to the CMT instead. CMT, what's that?

Starting point is 00:17:19 Country music. What year was this? It was like 2012. So no black people was in that? CMT? No. Huh? No.

Starting point is 00:17:34 I'm like, now we have black country singers. I'm trying to integrate. Trying to get some investments. I have businesses. So we asked the chat, where are you going after winning the chip? 79% said Magic City. I'm gonna get some investments and businesses. So we asked the chat, where are you going after winning the chip? 79% said Magic City. What?

Starting point is 00:17:51 79? 79% of the chat said that they were... What was the second? Disneyland? The White House at 14% and Disneyland at a staggering 7%. Yeah, I wasn't skipping no shit that was important. You making everything? Like, shit that had something to do personally with me, yeah, I was pretty professional when it came to that.

Starting point is 00:18:10 Like, I didn't, I didn't skip shit or miss shit. Like, I'm, you, dude, I'm prompt. You don't notice. Right? You on time, on time. Right? You're very aware of your promptness, your punctuality. And that's everywhere.

Starting point is 00:18:22 Like, it ain't just here. Like, that's everything and everywhere I go. Like, if I'm running late, it gives me anxiety. Like, I don't like running late. I don't like rushing. I don't like doing nothing. So it's, like, taking my time, get to where I'm doing. And so if that's something that has some shit to do with me,

Starting point is 00:18:42 there's some shit I went to that I wish I hadn't went. Now, trust me. So what's the event be? Oh, I told you I went to that fucking Espy shit for the fuck dude. Like, I wish I wouldn't went to that shit. OK. There's a few things that I wish I would have skipped on

Starting point is 00:18:55 or bailed out on like early on when I was, trust me, regret. I missed the Hall of Fame from my high school jersey retirement. Your own individual jersey retirement ceremony? I regret. I missed the Hall of Fame from my high school. Jersey. Retirement. Your own individual Jersey retirement ceremony? Yeah, they did our team. We won a championship my senior year up in New Hampshire. So they did a Hall of Fame ceremony, all that kind of shit I missed.

Starting point is 00:19:17 What year did they do it after you graduated? I graduated in 02. They just did it recently, maybe like two and a half years ago. Damn. Yeah. Man had other things to do. They just did it recently maybe like two and a half years ago Man other things to do and brother. Yeah, just to what 20 years there's great. Yeah, she's a while New Hampshire man I mean that should have been graduated right after he was finished. It's all up to New Hampshire It's not like it's California You got drafted. Ah

Starting point is 00:19:49 Like when you got that's when they did like mine in my high school like after like when I got drafted But man, yeah, take the deal, you know, they ain't want to appreciate me. I bet I've been in the tabloids for a long time Yeah, man Okay with me. I was'm taking on UNC and NCAA. I'm calling motherfuckers. Not to kill you. I'm doing it. I'm retired today.

Starting point is 00:20:10 I graduated from high school. That's good. I mean, you played in the Valley. Boom! Done. You play in the Valley. Ain't nobody out here playing. You should be.

Starting point is 00:20:17 You should be, fucker. Yeah. You play in New Hampshire. That's what I'm saying. That's damn near worse than the Valley. Yeah. We have more NBA players here than... This is a boarding school where people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to come to our school.

Starting point is 00:20:31 Well, you were a city friend from the beginning. You went to a school where motherfuckers was like, we're going to send you here because y'all ain't got shit. No, no, no. I went to a school where I lived across the street. That's, yeah. Whatever the case. Yeah, it was on. I had to fly in a private jet to my school.

Starting point is 00:20:46 Yeah, we... Yeah, that's the type of school I went to. Damn, 20 years? Tuition. Yeah, that's we yeah, whatever the zone I had to fly the private jet to Moscow. Yeah, we yeah That's type of school. I went to him 20 years wishing Mary Kay, Natalie, oh slim It was public school back then it was popping First week of school and then the fights they had that yeah, yeah Yeah, right on the ground your gang bangs gotta fight the first week see who and then the fights they had that yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's on the ground. Yeah gangbangers gotta fight the first week. See who's gonna dominate the school year Two weeks to start off about what 5,500 kids get down about three three thousand Way sitting at lunch time. Oh shit buddy. Go. It's gonna go down. Yeah, it was 300 kids at my school There's presidents and governors and all that type of shit It's about to go down. Yeah. There was 300 kids at my school.

Starting point is 00:21:25 Presidents and governors and all that type of shit. Man, he was privileged. I got lucky. I got lucky. I got lucky. Grew up privileged. Let's get to some NBA action. LA niggas say you was privileged, boy.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Listen, hey, nigga that grew up in the Valley say you privileged? Boy. A lot of people don't even know where New Hampshire is, so I feel, you know, I say it, but they're like, where? Yeah. Yeah, up there now with the white people. Up there now. So the Warriors are without Steph Curry for the immediate future.

Starting point is 00:21:56 They were 0-4 without 30 this season, entering their matchup with the Spurs in San Antonio. After going 57th in last year's draft, Trace Jackson Davis put the number one overall pick on a poster. So we got the play right here with a minute 13 remaining in the fourth quarter. TJD put the nail in the Spurs coffin, catching Wimby slipping and putting him on Le Postel. Replay show, Jackson Davis moves Wimby's arm out of the way. Some people were complaining about offensive foul. Too bad. Poster stands. Warriors went on to win the game and prove the 1-4 without Steph.

Starting point is 00:22:29 That's a layup, dawgs. That's a layup, dawgs. That's a flush. That's a layup, dawgs. Yo, that's a flush. That's a layup. He got to touch the rim. That's a hook. That's the Kareem hook shot. Threw it in. I got one like that in my career, away from the rim, above the rim. But you was above the rim? Just like threw it in. No, no, no, his was like this. Didn't touch the rim at all. I was away from the rim, just like that. Threw that bitch in.

Starting point is 00:22:57 Threw it in, like that? No, threw it in just like he did. I feel like that's more disrespectful. Yeah, you, yeah. Y'all don't know? No, no. You got to touch the rim? That's a tough layup. That's a disrespectful. Yeah, you, yeah. Y'all don't know? Oh, oh. You got to touch the rim? That's a tough layup. That's a tough layup.

Starting point is 00:23:08 That's a tough and one layup. See, that's coming from niggas who don't dunk on people. No, but I got to see where your arm is. Like, if you jump in the rims here, and you come in and throw it like that. Yes. Can we see it again, Flynn? Can we see it again?

Starting point is 00:23:21 But you know what that is. He's still over the rim, dude. He's still over the rim. Nah, nah, nah, nah. He threw that in, bro. That's a tough play. If he would have tried to dunk it, But you that is no Dunk it you would play he would have got hung look now. That's a tough lay yo watch watch you see it He might be trying to dunk. He wouldn't made that duck coming from people on dunk on people Watch right here come from people on dunk on people. We're not calling this a dunk close. Watch right here. Dump from people who don't dunk on people. We not calling this a dunk? No, look right here.

Starting point is 00:23:47 Look, look, look, look, look, look, and throw it. He can't dunk that. Nah, that's a tough lay. No, trust me. That's a flush. Oh no. I mean, if that was me, I would've counted it. That's all, okay.

Starting point is 00:23:57 If you would've did that. I would've counted it. It's a dunk. Are you telling people I laid it up on Whimby or I dunked on Whimby? Absolutely. So that's- I had one like that though. I had- Can he absolutely so does my man. I have one like that though I have don't get can I have one like that on two minutes? I have one like that on two niggas

Starting point is 00:24:11 Maxil in You did I was a duck. Yes, he would have gone finish that. I gotta touch the rim at least no I mean like I've seen they jump so high stop touching the rim after wild and then we're like me and Melo was just Throw anybody's but dad's a dunk though. I ain't touching the rim You said we gotta touch the rim on that you gotta touch the rim on a dog home He you dunking on a nigga you got this the rim somebody in the chest. That's a layer Like I mean like you jump high enough where we got it was a dunk. Yeah Yeah, I thought in there you sit near Blake DeAndre type Some of them just the white Yeah, yeah, I thought in there you sit near Blake

Starting point is 00:24:51 Some of them just the white you know, ah, he wasn't high enough to throw you Because that's what he did. I'm playing those minutes man. It'd be there. Hi, man I mean, it's on my pulse. I would have cut it right at the end. Boom. He should always show that last clip It was my good now. He's been playing good playing well in high school I remember you Dale Davidson I didn't jump high enough to okay. Jay slip right you can't they didn't know he could jump went up there try to contest it late Oh, yeah The whole game Come back over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was trying to get him.

Starting point is 00:25:26 I'm like, yeah, you got your ass, huh? He's like, I didn't think he was going to duck. I said, yeah. Because it didn't look like he was going to. He was that bouncy back then. Yeah. Now, he plays well. I think he should play more, him and Kaminga together.

Starting point is 00:25:35 He's been doing well. He's been doing well this season. Warriors got a steal in the draft. Before we move on, Rashad, I noticed... Yeah, the conversation y'all had yesterday. This guy. Is that the greatest rapper ever on your shirt? Huh?

Starting point is 00:25:49 Who? Who's that? No, it's just a t-shirt I had in my closet. Who's on the shirt? Pac. No, man. It's just a guy I like. That's it?

Starting point is 00:25:58 One of your favorite musicians? One of my favorites of all time. That's it. So after getting baptized, Wimby acknowledged the game as a game saying getting dunked on is nothing. It's part of the game. I dunk on a lot of people and a lot of people dunk on me too.

Starting point is 00:26:12 But I think I block more often than I get it dunked on. So that's the positive. And Wimby did drop 27 and 14 in the game, had two blocks. But obviously TJD made sure that those two blocks weren't three blocks. So can you hear him talk like that?

Starting point is 00:26:25 It's true. He's averaging three and a half blocks a night. Trust me. He contesting shit like that, it's going to happen, bro. When you're a shot block, you're going to get dunked on. Ain't nobody jumping with him for him to dunk on too many people. Yeah, true. For him to dunk on too many people.

Starting point is 00:26:42 So just what it is. But, yeah, once you start putting that thing on, yeah, people start moving out the way. And he's 7'5", so it ain't too many people can block it. So he's going to have a lot of free runs at the rim. But he's a shot blocker, man. So that's the only mentality to have as a shot blocker. Is that how you approached the game when you were playing?

Starting point is 00:27:05 Yeah. I'm a contestant, man. It's all about timing. Like I said, I'm going to get more than they're going to get me. I'm going to block more than you're going to dunk on me. So that's just what it is. Gil, was that your approach? Yeah, that's how I felt when I was up there blocking shots.

Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah, because not too many people can average three and a half blocks. No, I mean, that's the point. I didn't in the league, but my seniors and snags, I averaged three and a half blocks a game. So I know what that feeling is, to be dominating, to paint and stuff like that. And for you, what was it, obviously averaging three and a half blocks, when you see dudes come down the lane and see you, and just like the look of fear in their eyes, what did it have to... When you see dudes come down the lane to see you and just like the look of fear in their eyes What it happened? Oh, yeah, now you just know it's respect when you when you hear of other teams Having special offensive rebounding drills they do when they get ready to play us

Starting point is 00:27:55 Right, they get off as we better not allowed to shoot Pump fake and throw it out. Right. Oh, that's facts. Right? That's so that's that's respect and you see it or dudes driving they've been oh shit keep dribbling that thing out like nah it's pump fake pump fake pump fake three seconds right you didn't pump that i'm not gonna jump i'm gonna wait so now and then when we got good timing and i can see him like it's only gonna get more intimidating with him because he he covers so much ground Yeah, right and it's Yeah, three and a half Okay, you can see his career does that you can beat him on one side of the rim and he can just

Starting point is 00:28:37 Sit there and block. Yeah, if he get that mentality like me like dude, like if he beat him on one I'm he's so long he can cover both sides of the backboard Put him up for you jumpy reverse layups all that shit is dead with him? Yeah, you got it That's crazy. Don't come because you You can't do nothing else but quick dunk or just you got to move his hand. Yeah, that's it Loaders is out the question because he's getting all you know How you got a float the ball get over him if he jumped straight up was crazy is he's getting all this. You know how high you got to float the ball to get it over him? If he jumps straight up? What's crazy is he's averaging, what, three and a half?

Starting point is 00:29:08 Mm-hmm. What happens when he understands how to block shots and defend in his third, fourth year? Nothing. You think he's going to be at five? Hell yeah. Easy, dog. Once he learned how to play? I mean, you think...

Starting point is 00:29:21 I used to tell Marcus Campbell this. MC used to swing at the ball, all of you. I be this like MC use a swing at the ball Mm-hmm. I like dude stop swinging at the ball You'll average the block another block and a half if you just jump straight up and try to get there He want to smack it. Yeah, so it was all I'm so long. No, let me do the embarrassing Let me let me not that shit out of there. They go ask for the ball, right? Let me do that You you go get at the top. Like, that's...

Starting point is 00:29:47 I think you got to have a mix. One of those just to send a message. Obviously, everybody sees that. But obviously, smart play, tip it, then get the... Yeah, so I got cussed out a lot in college for that. Early on. Like, you know, that was the thing. I'm...

Starting point is 00:29:58 Hugs, like, God damn it, Kenyon. Then he said... First, it was keep it in play. Yep. Right? Mm-hmm. Yep. God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, You might grab people shit out there and starting to break like he like So when I got to the league, I got a few of them like I'm Like oh you can grab people shit out there in the league like that's more embarrassing than blocking here for yes Me go a motherfucker just ah Hold on man. He can't do that. Can't you be twice? I'm doing this about see people don't like my mentality mentality I'm a swipe down low if I don't get it here you know I'm swinging both ways come here yeah I'm a block I'm blocking it twice

Starting point is 00:30:57 sometimes if I miss it with this or I'm gonna hit it and hit it again I think like yo something is wrong with you man like yo too active I'm trying not to let you score I did like what do people understand about this shit you pass it. I'm gonna kick it. Yeah, like it's there's no Off with me. Yeah, but you yeah So there's a clip of me in college playing Louisville and that new try to shoot a floater and I went from here to And people thought it was photoshopped. Like I'm... Listen, like in this...

Starting point is 00:31:32 Yeah, like there's a clip where we playing the Knicks in the playoffs. Van Baker got an offensive rebound and I just went and golfed his shit. Just snatched it out the air with both hands. That one? Yes. We can't show y'all, but for our own personal entertainment.

Starting point is 00:31:50 People think that shit Photoshopped, right? People think it's Photoshopped. It does look. It does look. We're getting it right now. But yeah, and you listen to Rex Chapman doing the game. He like, like, hold on, let's rewind this clip. Like, this is just ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:32:13 Like, Vin Baker did with exactly what he was supposed to do. Like, just, like, just... Oh, shit, I had those kind of bunnies. Like, D-Wade was a rookie. I know he was like, man, they weren't doing this shit at Marquette. So they ran the play, weak side, little handoff shit for strong. He was going for game. They ran a little handoff for game. They running a double on this side. I ain't paying no, you know, I'm not going to run that shit. The ball going over here. He turned the corner and went and tried to lay that bitch off for game. I snatched the

Starting point is 00:32:41 shit off the glass for game. Like, I know I know he was like, I know they wasn't doing this shit at Marquette, bro. For game. For game, but no. But Wimby's timing right now is immaculate. The more he plays, the more minutes he plays, the better understanding that he has. That three and a half is going to be four,

Starting point is 00:33:02 four and a half, damn near five a night Do you think it'll be a situation where it may not go up? But that's just cuz dudes are not on time or they go up. They still gonna try to Learn the hard way we learn we hard-hated. Okay, right motherfucker block me like I'm gonna get this off on you I'm gonna get this off for you. And I mean just if he is just blocking people to that point It's gonna it's gonna result in a bunch of jumpers which the defense rating goes up right And they'll be they end up being like one or two in deep just because people they want to rely on jump shots versus going

Starting point is 00:33:42 to the hole Everybody not Kyrie Irving But I ain't gonna be able to move that thing Everybody ain't got that right so Yeah, good luck with because he blocking jump shots. He's later threes No step back. Yeah, I'd step he's like that chat step back. He's blocking it. He bought another seven foot step back, side step. He blocked that Chet step back. Yeah, he's blocking it. He blocked another seven-foot step back, right? Yeah. Oh, Lord.

Starting point is 00:34:08 You know, they fucking up in the back. But, Kane, we do have that shot of you blocking. Dang. With the phone posits on. Yeah, you see them? Even the ref's like, God, damn. Yeah, that's a hell of a... So we asked... That's vert.

Starting point is 00:34:27 We asked to chat about Trace Jackson's, Davis' Dunk or No Dunk. 61% said dunk, 39% said layup. Damn. So we call that a dunk kill. It is what it is. I would've called it dunk too if it was me. Would you not? If it was on me, hell no, I was power layup. Yeah, good layup.

Starting point is 00:34:44 Good layup, young fella. Power layup. So, it was a Kareem hook shot. Technically. A power hook. Yeah, a power hook. So, if you could dunk on anybody in NBA history, who would you post to?

Starting point is 00:34:58 Shaq. No doubt. Facts. Easy? Yes. Because that's one thing he didn't allow. So catch it off the backboard or the rim or something, get him. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:12 Yeah. Yeah. I got Marcus Camby already. So it would be that nigga right there. That nigga right there. I got Marcus my rookie year. You got a rookie year? Yeah, I got ejected for that shit, too.

Starting point is 00:35:29 I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Benny Salvatore got me up out of there. Oh, my God, Benny. But, yeah. Old Benny. Kenyon probably the only nigga that I looked up to that was like a monster. Wanted to catch him, huh?

Starting point is 00:35:43 I got you. I wanted to. Man, could never catch him. Could nevercha. I wanted to man could never catch him Could never never lined up for me. He's never lined up. I got Dallenberg. I got fucking Tyson Chandler. I got a couple niggas, but Probably wouldn't have been as successful though. Yes, the shot blockers and he wanted I got a tractor trailer. Oh shit. Yeah It's a good take. Well, hold on. Hold on to me. I's a good one. Hold on, hold on. Let me. I did a split and they fouled me.

Starting point is 00:36:08 They blew the whistle. Boop! He jumped. He jumped. And he jumped. Boom! Still counts. No, it didn't count.

Starting point is 00:36:16 But it still counts. It definitely counts. Yeah, he jumped. That's why. It still counts. So, with my highlight tape, I just turned the whistle off and just put highlight music. Yeah, just put some music behind it so people don't know it was a whistle. Like, that was it.

Starting point is 00:36:29 Right there. And one. Don't jump. Don't you jump. And one. Yes, sir. Kenny, if you could duck on anybody in history, who would you posterize? Shit, there's somebody who would play that.

Starting point is 00:36:41 I never got Theo Ratliff. Like, I wanted his scalp. Yes. Theo. I never got, Ratliff. Like, I wanted his scalp. Yes. I never got... I wanted Theo's scalp. For whatever reason. He really good at shot blocking. Like, his timing, man.

Starting point is 00:36:53 Yes. Like, his... I thought Dikembe timing was immaculate. Theo Ratliff timing was fucking amazing. Yeah. As soon as... I don't know what... I'm coming with...

Starting point is 00:37:03 I ain't just trying to dunk it. I'm trying to take your hand and playing with him. As soon as, like, I don't know what, you know, I'm coming with, I ain't just trying to dunk it. I'm trying to take your hand and arm with me. And he just always get at the right moment. Like, I don't know what he, I don't know if he was, he had to be watching a fucking film or something. He's strong, too. He just, he had to be, because his timing, like, every time. Like, he just, he just run behind. He'd be help side, or he help side or he just always?

Starting point is 00:37:26 Because I got every five I played against, they was on the menu. They on the menu. I got Zo, Sean Bradley, Dikembe. You five, you listen. Yeah. Trying to catch it, man. Yeah, I ducked on multiple times in games.

Starting point is 00:37:46 So, yeah, it's Theo. Theo tough. Yeah, I wanted Theo rather. For sure. Or who's all the time, somebody like Mark Eaton. Team Sean Bradley. Right? Oh, I got Sean Bradley. You got him?

Starting point is 00:38:00 Yeah, I got Sean Bradley. Yeah, 7'6". Yeah, right on the... Come on, the bigger... Yeah, all of them. Yeah. Oh, I got Sean Brown. Yeah, yeah, 7'6". Yeah, right on. Yeah, come on, the bigger. Yeah, all of them. Yeah. Oh, you got yeah? Dude, you're only, whether it's a tip dunk, whatever, you watch your, young dude, watch your head.

Starting point is 00:38:18 Watch your head. Watch your head. Watch your head. Yeah, man, it was, everybody was, yeah. Fours, fives. Yeah, but Theo Radcliffe, though. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about Donovan Mitchell.

Starting point is 00:38:35 Became the latest victim of the NBA's new 65-game minimum requirement for awards eligibility. Mitchell was likely to make an All-NBA team this season, but missed his 18th game on Monday night, meaning he will not play at least 65 games this season. He's averaged 28 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds in 47 games, but has missed the last 7 games in the county dealing with a knee injury. So he joins Embiid, who would have likely still made an All-NBA team if he got to about the 60-game range. So how long is the players, the star players in this league, going to let this rule last before we start to see some type of revolt? It ain't going to be the players. It's going to be the owners.

Starting point is 00:39:19 Because the owners, okay, so you have Embiid, who's definitely number one. Mitchell was probably a definite number two, right? So whoever's third got to be moved up to two. And whoever wasn't in it gets moved up. So who would be replacing him that wasn't an All-NBA player? Which guard is that going to be? And then that owner got to pay him. And now you got to pay him Supermax because he's an All-NBA player. So right now, who would that be?

Starting point is 00:39:44 Who would be taking this spot? So some say second, some say 13, but let's... But he's out, so... So that gives a better chance. Tyrese Maxey, Jalen Bronson. Like, it just gets, like... Who else you say? No, we're talking about the East.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Allen Bird. Oh, just the East? But Allen Bird... But all NBA. All NBA. All NBA. Allen Bird would have probably been number one, and Jalen Bronson would have been number two. We're talking about the Allen bird. Oh just to eat but the Hallenberg Hallenberg would have probably been number one and Jalen Brunson would have been number two Tyrese maxi so Tyrese maxi just put in yeah Benchero, huh? Not guard guard his guards. Oh just them down. It's just them. So now young your Fox

Starting point is 00:40:19 Hey betray obviously got no not not which my east. No, just don't matter. Oh Yeah, so dear yeah Betrayed obviously got no not now. We're to my east. No, just overall. We don't matter. Oh, yeah Yeah, so dear yeah tray maxi Yes You know what's going to end up happening is they're gonna try to they're gonna try to take it and give it to someone Who's already super max? So somebody like an older guy who probably would have made it like dame dame yeah they're gonna

Starting point is 00:40:46 force they're gonna try to force one of them because if they give it to someone who's not who wasn't all nba you have to supermax that dude so like right now deandre dearon fox is not um or brunson's not supermax right if they click it i want my super max so now you have Brunson or Darren I'm pretty sure they don't care if Darren gets 300 but hmm yeah yeah so you say the owners will be the one to complain because it affected yeah and the fact yeah you see come from both sides because if I'm a guy who could hit that range and I'm having that level of season, I'm not there yet. And I don't make it.

Starting point is 00:41:29 That, I mean, it's one of those things is however they put this rule in is because they got something in return. Right? Whenever something like comes, it's like this, they're probably, I don't know what they got in return for this, but it's something. It's inevitable. Think about it. If you're an owner, you know players are going to get hurt. And at some point, if they miss a certain amount of games, we can penalize their contracts based on how many games they play. So that's an inevitable thing that you're going to see every year in everybody's contract. Like, all right, we know this guy is not going to stay healthy. So if he missed a certain amount of games, it ain't on us now. It's on you to stay healthy. But think about it. If he

Starting point is 00:42:16 missed seven games because of a knee injury that he had after the break, all-star break, it ain't something that's like something that in in training camp, right? This is something that just happened and he can't he can't really control that but the owners is like Good fuck shit. We ain't got to pay this man XYZ now. Mm-hmm, but that's not something they was banking on From the owners facade. They just know that you you're gonna be hurt. This is gonna be up to you How long you be hurt. No. It's a double-edged sword, and that's the problem with it because the owners and the coaches, mostly the owners, are protecting their investments.

Starting point is 00:42:56 So they're the ones that creates and created their load management. Protect my investment for long term. So what ends up happening is both sides become selfish. So somebody like Donovan Mitchell, we got four to six weeks. Before, they used to say,

Starting point is 00:43:16 all right, four to six weeks. All right, two to four weeks, you got to be ready to go. And then you're going to get your happy-ass house. Now they're like, all right, it's eight to ten weeks. The doctor told them four to six. He's telling you eight to ten. Because he knows eight to ten, you're going to miss another eight, five, eight, nine games.

Starting point is 00:43:34 So now he's telling you. Donovan can't control that injury, though. He can't control whatever element he gets, whatever timeline he gets. He can't control that. No, you have to go off my timeline. But whatever the injury is. No, what I'm saying is, like, your injury is, let's say it's a tweak wasn't anymore a bone bruise and that bone bruise is two weeks i'm telling you it's gonna be five weeks right so i'm gonna clear you in five

Starting point is 00:43:54 weeks thinking about how many more games you miss in those three weeks so i'm controlling your 65 games believe it or not now now the players is like well well, I feel good. I'm about to go out there. If I'm using the team doctors, if I'm getting the outside, if I'm going to get my second and third opinions, and I know I can get this and I can clear protocols coming from the team, but if you're using team doctors, that's where they can control your timeline. You can actually go to the third, fourth opinions. You can go start doing your rehab. You come back

Starting point is 00:44:27 and then you can do your testing. That's exactly when I came back from Michael's surgery. Yeah, you were trying to come back faster. No, I was just

Starting point is 00:44:34 trying to be healthy. What I'm saying is you're coming back faster than the doctors are telling you. Now it's the opposite. They're wanting you to wait now

Starting point is 00:44:43 because they have a 65 game rule. So that means before they're trying to say, yeah, you're an investment, you're 10 to 12 weeks, we want you back faster. Now you got to go get a second opinion to stay out a little bit longer, right? If that opinion says that. Yeah, so like Kawhi, let's say Kawhi Leonard, right? You remember when San Antonio, where the San Antonio Spurs cleared

Starting point is 00:45:08 him to play. His outside doctor didn't clear him. Right. So he's listening to his outside doctor. Right. Now let's switch it. Your outside doctor's saying oh no, he's ready to play. Right. The team doctor's like, nah. He ain't ready. But what reason would the team doctor say that other than

Starting point is 00:45:23 an evaluation? You have to evaluate that supermax Two more two more games. I don't got to pay you 300 I'm the different. I don't think the agent or the union will allow that because it's an evaluation based on two different doctors I don't think you're ready two different doctors. He thinks he's already you I don't want to pay you 300 I want to keep you at the 200 So if I need you to miss two more games, you're not gonna convince me but the doctor you trash this motherfucker What is you're not gonna come it's my money that I gotta sign this check You're not gonna convince me to put you in the game. I don't give fuck who you call. I don't care who you call

Starting point is 00:46:00 I'm not clearing you so this I Saw so I heard you what you were saying, right? So he was trying to come back name so now it is they had a baseline test I don't care who you call. I'm not clearing you. So I heard you what you were saying, right? So he was trying to come back. So now it is they had a baseline test. It's your baseline. Yeah, you're not there yet. So that's what he's saying.

Starting point is 00:46:18 Oh, I get that. So I get exactly what you're saying. But if I come into the test and I pass those tests. But they're not going to tell you pass. You're not going to tell me pass. I understand. They're not going're not gonna tell you past you're not gonna say I understand they're not gonna say you put but they're gonna be like, yeah, we need another balance plan Even if they say yeah, we don't think you're ready. Mm-hmm. That has to be based on Everybody's evaluation from the doctor that you seen on the outside and a doctor that you see it on the turner so but they ultimately got The last I guess last lap like what I'm gonna say you ready to play my doctor a doctor I'm gonna say well, we need to try you out in practice gonna do some more things in practice

Starting point is 00:46:48 And then there's two more games before your your three out of the back of some shit Yeah, I gonna let you play the back to but if you're saying I'm ready to play cool. All right, we're gonna check it We're gonna see where it is. Like I'm ready. I feel great. Well, cuz usually it's like it's based on how the player feels How do you feel then and we play Milwaukee Boston? We got Charlotte on Saturday. player feels. How do you feel? Then, we play Milwaukee, Boston. We got Charlotte on Saturday. Yeah, we're going to let you come back. On Charlotte, right. But those two games, right?

Starting point is 00:47:13 Those two games. Before that. Yeah, you missed that. Those two put you at 17 games. Yeah. Right? But you're good to go. You're like, I want to go.

Starting point is 00:47:23 Fuck that. I want to go. Us as athletes, fuck that. I want to go. Us as athletes, like, fuck that. I want to go play. They like, he had 15 games. He missed two more. Shit, we ain't going to make all NBA. But if you as a player know that, you fight.

Starting point is 00:47:34 But you're not thinking that, though. If you know, now they know. Now they know. Now they know. So, what I'm saying, so Donovan will fight against that to say, nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah, nah. I'm ready to go now. It's too late now, though.

Starting point is 00:47:45 That's what they're complaining about. Just like when Hallenberg came back, right? He wasn't ready to play. But Donovan ain't ready to play. That's why he can't argue with it because he's not ready. But that's what I'm saying. Hallenberg, you see Hallenberg

Starting point is 00:47:55 and I'm like, ah. Because he wants to at least kiss his 65-year-old. But he actually hurt, though. Same thing with Embiid. They all actually hurt and you can't control actually being hurt

Starting point is 00:48:04 other than actually being ready to play. If they was ready to play inside of the 65, they would play. Of course, they will want to play, but you're thinking about it, but you're not understanding now. I save money, a lot of money. So you can't tell me you're ready to play. If they are ready to play. We don't know.

Starting point is 00:48:23 The player is going to fight against them. This is not the NBA we know. This is not the NBA we know, right? Outside of Steph, Braun, Kawhi, PG, PJ Tucker. Did I say James Harden? James James Russ

Starting point is 00:48:47 Kevin Durant yes Booker I wouldn't even put him in that Luca this conversation I'm about to say besides those

Starting point is 00:49:04 eight, nine I'm probably missing a couple size those Al Horford Jimmy You doing Jimmy Butler, right? The rest besides those 10 11 guys that we name it right the rest of the NBA is brainwashed Right. Mm-hmm. The team has brainwashed him they think for them They control everything about their existence when it comes to their life.

Starting point is 00:49:28 But we're basketball now. It ain't like us. Right? We had so much free time, so much this. I mean, these dudes got sleep. They got apps on their phone. They do got to hit a button when they getting ready to go to bed. Tell them when they...

Starting point is 00:49:39 Like, it's all kind of shit going on now. Right? So they have more say-so in whether you play the next game or not. You can tell them you feel great, or the only way to play is don't say shit at all, which is not fucking good, right? But in order for you to keep playing and not miss your 17, 18 game that you allotted is to keep your mouth closed. Right. Right?

Starting point is 00:50:06 If something's bothering you, you're going to play through a little nagging injury more now. Yep. If they ask you to. No, no, no. No, you just don't tell them. Like, you hurt and you ain't saying shit. You just don't tell them, right?

Starting point is 00:50:16 Because if you got tendonitis brewing in your knee and that shit just, you're like, the only thing you're doing is ice. You're doing everything, but it's just getting worse. Yeah, it's hurting. But you, but this fucking threshold that you're trying to meet, right? The only way to keep them out of it is to not say nothing. Right. Which is unfortunate.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Yep. So if you do say something, and you've been playing your ass off, now what Gil said comes into play. What you're saying is accurate, yes. But now what Gil said comes into play. What you saying is accurate, yes. But now what Gil said comes into play. Yep.

Starting point is 00:50:49 Like, shit, we going, he had 13 games, yeah, we going, he definitely going to miss another five. Right then it was like

Starting point is 00:50:57 McHale would say, you can't make the club if you're in the tub. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's that Boston Celtics shit. You know what I'm saying? You can't make the club

Starting point is 00:51:04 if you're in the tub. And it it's like what the fuck does that mean? That Boston Celtics shit Icing and doing all this if you get so ass out there. He wanted us out there limping and shit like Now they don't yeah I don't okay. You're nice. I became made the club like who's about who's about let's say the mellow ball, right? Is he how where his team's at? Third to last. Third to last, right?

Starting point is 00:51:29 13th in the East, 16th in the West. So let's say his contract is up right now. He's your best player. He's playing like a Supermax guy, right? And there's one game between he gets it or not, and it's the last game of the season, and they third it. You think they're going to allow him in that game? Hmm. I mean, I think that would be a bad look for the franchise

Starting point is 00:51:49 I'm moving forward I'm not gonna be a losing franchise and I got to sign you supermax how much money do I save by not allowing them you're gonna sit down I literally seen this in the game do in em of, baby. Yeah, get the extra two million. Get the extra two million. Because he averaging 20 points a game. Yeah, he's hitting his thing. So, 30 seconds into the game. I want you down.

Starting point is 00:52:23 19.9. 30 seconds. seconds into the game. Goons you down. 19.9. Dirty game. Who the hell didn't give you extra two million dollars because you we in last place. Shut up.

Starting point is 00:52:33 That's what happens. Them incentives kick in. Boy, you start looking at them incentives and realize what they doing. Like,

Starting point is 00:52:40 what's his name from Miami? Who got all the incentives in that? Duncan Robinson. If it's playing time, if he got to play like 37 minutes and shit like that in there, he's never going to hit those. Right. Never.

Starting point is 00:52:57 Best players, why do you agree to that stuff? Yeah. I have no idea. I mean, from us. We want the money. They asked me, man, you want to put this, young man? No, it could be, we could say the numbers is, fuck no. So we could say the numbers is.

Starting point is 00:53:15 No, give me, no, real dollars. Yeah, it was like the damn witty shit, give me a dollar, he'd get a dollar if they win a championship. That was his incentive, right? Yeah. I think I was taking a jab at one of his previous teams because they would put all these ridiculous incentives in there that they know teams wouldn't reach not to say he doesn't think he can get a championship with the Lakers some dudes do it I'm saying for motivational purposes like to

Starting point is 00:53:37 get to make sure that they ready to play every night some dudes do it for wins for those teams incentives and I just never felt the... I'm going to go out, I just... Certain dudes are going to go out and play a certain way. And you don't need... And football, I like it. If it's reachable. If it's reachable. Yeah, something to do with it, yeah. Because they get taken advantage of so much in their shit. I like the football incentive shit.

Starting point is 00:54:04 I don't like anything that has to do with controlling that the team can control at some point like Let's say I have passing like I got I'm a receiver and I got a catch a certain amount of yards to get this extra Bonus now you over here making it's not like I'm making my calls you making the calls now now you want to just be fucking running all day We just got a running back you want to run all goddamn day any given Sunday It's one of those things where it kind of like when it when there's an incentive involved But you don't have control of it it kind of I'm which you know I guess And then if you have a block if you have a block One right now that now that big dude don't care. None about no got in in defense

Starting point is 00:54:50 Yeah, I'm gonna sum up trying to block all day. He giving up all kind of offensive rebounds to try to block it everything Oh, you know Then there's some that should become detrimental to the team. Yeah. Yeah that part. Yeah, that's the one he was Yeah, I knew goddamn dog You had somebody do you have somebody on the team like that? Yeah Like stay down I know if I had one in the steel one do you bruh? You can back me door back door on me all you want. I'm coming in the steel one. Dude, yeah. Bruh. You can back door on me all you want.

Starting point is 00:55:25 I'm coming for that steel. I'm reaching for everything. It's like some of them cornerbacks in the NFL that had them incentives for interceptions. They jumping everything. Yeah. And getting beat deep. Damn, why you always open? Man, listen.

Starting point is 00:55:38 Hey, you jumping routes. I'm trying to get you. My incentives are to get fucking three interceptions, not stop anybody from scoring a touchdown. Yeah, I was watching what I think was due from the Jets Early in the season like one of the shit first game of the season second game of his thing He had that three interceptions in here. He had two motherfuckers in one game See shit like easy. He had to have three for the season and he had in the first game in the first game of the season That's you It's a cold game out there so I see it see it from both sides, but

Starting point is 00:56:09 Do you think at some point they have to go back and tweak this rule because take a guy like Tyrese maxi for example If he doesn't make an all-nba team his projected contracts five years 207 million makes an all-nba team It goes to five years 249 million. He's making the decision He's making it this year and Philadelphia is gonna be in there like hey, hey, hey, hold on y'all Oh, yeah right now. Well, he will actually was cleared to play at it because so he's a Bummer said so you got you got some teams that the Cavs are not you gonna make it some teams will benefit for a guy And I make it all in me a team but there's some teams would get screwed But if I'm if I'm on the team does benefit I don't care about that's your problem now

Starting point is 00:56:44 Yeah, I'm pretty yeah Cleveland I'm care. Hell. Yeah, so they don't gotta pay supermax and we're still third in the east So it's yeah, Philadelphia cares because it's like what should already got him beat at supermax I gotta pay Maxie supermax. Ah, cuz he's gonna get it now, especially not Donovan Mitchell. Yeah So now you're hoping I mean to be honest you're hoping for the voters Like if you New York if you're New York, you don't want Brunson to get it. If you're Philly, you don't want him again. So you will hope that the voters give it to Steph.

Starting point is 00:57:15 Since he's already Supermax, we ain't got to worry about him. Yeah, give it to Steph again. Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're one of them small market teams, you don't want your guy to get it at this point. Because you don't want to have to pay him the superman to kind of get you don't they gotta pick two per This is the top 15 guys or is it two guards two guards two guards? No, I think it's positionless this is positionless, but but they're gonna do you know, you got like alright supermax We already got staff and Devin boogie. You're gonna try to they're gonna try to

Starting point is 00:57:45 Oh, well, let's run it down right now. So who first team right now as we sit here first team. We got Luca SGA SGA No, thank you. Just guards right? So no, so it says this position Joker Giannis, so that's so that's okay. So didn't shit it to be Joker Giannis Tatum Joker Giannis Tatum. That's first team So the first two you said so Shea Luca Tatum Giannis and Jokic so that's the first five. Uh-huh second five

Starting point is 00:58:20 Damn no, no the bonus potentially on the second Booker Katie Both no just Katie No, but what happens when he ate the time of Katie's average of 28? Yeah, that's why I'm Time to know he's missed a lot of I don't think he's he hasn't Threshold but he didn't miss a lot of time though. I don't know in the double digits. I think I Don't think he put me the game double-digit lot of time, though. I don't know. He in the double digits, I think. I don't think he played. He played 51 games this season.

Starting point is 00:58:49 Ant-Man. Ooh, good call. Suns. Ant-Man. I put Booker 13. So you say Sabonis. Booker got to play 16 or 15 more games for the rest of the season. For the rest of the season.

Starting point is 00:59:02 The Suns have 17 more, I believe. You say Katie Sabonis, Anthony Edwards-huh shit brawn brawn ad I don't fucking throw him in there somewhere they don't I mean don't throw him in us you don't have but that's what they're gonna have to or you put another guard in there yeah that's what I mean. So Steph. No, Steph. So Steph's second team. Steph will be second team. So that's 10.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Third team. That's if Sabonis is there. So third team for sure is Brunson. Brunson, Maxie. Halliburton. So Brunson and Halliburton is already in front from the year they had Right. So you got those two ad

Starting point is 00:59:50 83 And choir you put some effort in there So yo this Dame that's all the damn thoughDame throw Dame in there. Just because he been on... Or Jalen Brown not getting on? Jalen Brown might be sneaking into a third team. Number one team. I'm just, you know what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:00:15 I'm saying they first team. What's up, I don't see Maxie...I don't think Maxie gonna make it then. Nah, me either. I do. They gonna... Not yet. I don't see... Even though he's playing good, it's like... He finished the year, because listen, they fighting to get in, right? Then you got Fox.

Starting point is 01:00:28 They fighting to get in. I put Fox in there. Third team. They fighting to get in. Fox over Maxie? Yeah. I see both Fox and Sacramento getting screwed. I'm thinking for like...

Starting point is 01:00:41 They're both seventh in their respective conferences right now. I'm just saying. I mean, I'm thinking about like as an owner, I'm telling you right now. Whoever I know who's voting as an owner, you know who's voting. You telling me they're not going to sit here and and and give some of these voters a little money under the table, not to vote. Y'all can say whatever y'all want. Whatever y'all want. If I'm Sacramento, I'm willing to spend two million dollars on whoever's voting. Here's 200,000. Kedrick Perkins,

Starting point is 01:01:12 here's an extra two. Give it to Kedrick. Two. Do not vote my two players. Why wouldn't they do that? I don't think they're that desperate to save money. You crazy as hell. You crazy as hell.

Starting point is 01:01:29 Because I don't make it. If both my players... Think about it. If both these players make it, that's super max and super max. We get that back. That's an extra hundred... They're not getting that back.

Starting point is 01:01:42 They're getting that back on a Tuesday. That's an extra hundred million I got to pay, million I gotta pay and I can pay 2 million save myself 98 Are you saying to me not to vote these do 2 million not to vote my guys in making a million dollars Not doing that they're not doing that you're making a million dollars a day man If they was desperate it would I don't think they that desperate I don't think it ain't that night I guess you don't know how and I'm gonna face money I guess it's been too mill to save a hundred and I still get to keep these guys you know yeah if you wrote that shit in a movie script I would actually

Starting point is 01:02:22 if I can go pay mama how much move called 1275 as my 1275 I can go get roll Sam F nigga in the watch it. I will believe it man Listen, I'm saying when you look at that list of voters I've seen some outliers in that list seeing some con I've heard some conversations between owner and owners You hired that motherfucker to be your goddamn general manager, goddamn it, we're going to have a problem. All right, you're right.

Starting point is 01:02:48 Click. I get that. But the owner's still the owner. Y'all seen some of them all-star games, right? Y'all seen some of them all-star voting. When some of them players

Starting point is 01:02:59 was getting voted, look at the other people that's voting. Hey, you vote for my guy or we're going to have a problem. I'm going to vote for your guy, you vote for my guy. Well, we're gonna have a problem I'm a vote for your guy you vote for my guy and you look at all-star game and you you realize that Six of these coaches came from the same one coach Come on, hey the Detroit Pistons when all of them made it

Starting point is 01:03:22 Look at the rest of the coaching staff He did coach at Boston he did coach at Boston. He did coach at Detroit. He did coach at Detroit, too. Damn, he coached at Detroit, too. Shit, that's five votes. Oh, yeah. But I don't think they going. That's five votes out of the damn 15 coaches right there.

Starting point is 01:03:37 Yeah, they ain't going far. It's hunting, like, people. I hate you, but no, I just. He's a businessman. Well, I know Tyrese Maxon. He's going to be on the mission because they're trying to get in the playoffs. He can play out his mind.

Starting point is 01:03:49 He missed a few games, too. A comeback cooker. Four games. I'm telling you, I'm on it. I'm voting. They got a month left in the season. Yeah, they got a month left to go in the season. But they got roughly, what, 15 games?

Starting point is 01:04:02 16, 17 games. Can you got to vote? So, yeah, you... Kids go to see a kid, huh? Yeah, 15, 16, 17 guys. They're like, can you got to vote? So, yeah. Kids go to see a kid, huh? Yeah, you know, they go here. No free, no money. I'm going to take that fat. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 01:04:14 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Them Sacramento kids, yeah, yeah. We don't like that. Not a chance. Not a chance. Not a chance. They voting for free right now. All legit.

Starting point is 01:04:24 All legit. Not a chance. both for free right now Who voted why they vote like this? Send that gym bag I need my blueie bag blue chip style. You go. I need mine in the Louis bag and a travel please Oh my god, they did in Minnesota with Joe Smith. They gave that man a gym bag Give me a Louis bag and they still got fucking call it went over there Perk went over there woke up one day was like And bean is the MVP. Huh? Where that come from? Where that come from? Out of the blue.

Starting point is 01:05:08 Open that bag. I like NB too. I like NB. NB, MVP, y'all. That's why he still got his job up there. We supposed to bend that guy this nigga by the end. I tell you right now, hey, you can tell me, you can tell when I got paid. If I just randomly just say something, say so hey look 80s is the best

Starting point is 01:05:26 Era ever LeBron Got me a little bad LeBron is the greatest Kobe's the greatest The best powerful small boy LeB. LeBron is the greatest of all time. Who gave you that check? The Lakers are going to win it again. Who gave you that check? We would just believe that to be true. We wouldn't think that you were... The Lakers are going to make it from the tip seed

Starting point is 01:05:52 all the way to the first. Look, only in America. The Nikes swept again. So let's talk a little bit. We talked about Luka yesterday. He was looking to extend his NBA record six straight games with 30-point triple doubles and five straight games with 35-point triple doubles on Mondaybles and five straight games with 35-point triple-doubles on Monday against the Bulls.

Starting point is 01:06:07 Streak came to an end. Luka did drop a triple-double, but he had 27, 12, and 12 assists in the blowout win. Before he was subbed out halfway through the fourth quarter, Luka attempted a three to get to 30 and believed he was fouled on the play. When he got to the bench, this was his reaction. It appears this is it look you play it again So we'll play it again a slow-mo for you he said you fucking hate her bitch ass Bitch ass. Probably through the end where a bitch ass nip.

Starting point is 01:06:49 Not sure if you did that, Gil, but have you ever had a situation like that where you were close to getting something and you felt like a ref was fucking with you? Not a ref.

Starting point is 01:07:01 Coach. It's three points. I mean, how many minutes was left? It was like six minutes but they were they were smacking the bull they pulled all the players bro Kyrie just dipped no sell me back in sell me back in I'm gonna get the little three points I don't what does it matter at this point what does it matter we was I'm pretty sure we was up the first when the the fourth quarter started right we was probably up the first, when the fourth quarter started, right?

Starting point is 01:07:25 We was probably up the whole time, so you could have sent me there, so the fact that I got 27, don't let me rock a little one more minute. Ain't no point. We was playing the Knicks. I got 46. I got 46 points

Starting point is 01:07:42 in 29 minutes. Right? And the crowd, 81, 81. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm already mad.

Starting point is 01:07:54 I'm out. We winning by a lot. And I'm sitting here like, yo, hey, tell Coach to put me back in. Hurry up. I don't know if I can score damn near 30-something points in this next one. But I can get the mouse sick because I ain't have 60 yet. Right? I ain't even got I can score damn near 30-something points in this next one, but I can get the mouse sick because I ain't have 60 yet. I ain't even got 50 yet. So I'm trying to hit 50 at least, and Coach was like, nah.

Starting point is 01:08:10 So I'm already mad. I said, this nigga hating, dog. Oh, man. I'm cussing like, yo, this crazy. He need to be fired. I'm yelling out anything at this point. Then it was like, nah now you already have a record. Which record?

Starting point is 01:08:27 It was like, you just broke Larry Burr's record most points in less than 29 minutes. It was 42, you got 46. If you play another minute, you out of the conversation. So it has to be 30 minutes or less. Oh, y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:46 I'm good. Good job, coach. You know what he doing? Yeah, I'm back happy, but I'm not knowing that. So obviously he knew that, so I guess there was a record 30 minutes or under. So like when people talk about like Kobe had the 63 in Dallas.

Starting point is 01:09:03 Yeah, the three quarters. But it was less than Creeped, but that wasn't the record because you played all 36 minutes then. So there was a record that was 29. J.R. Smith almost broke it. Right? But Clay ended up getting that.

Starting point is 01:09:18 Clay ended up getting that. But yeah, that was a record, but I was hot as hell. Your coach didn't know that. Huh? That nigga didn't know that. He didn't know that huh and he didn't know that He just fucking with you fuck with you all the time somebody I'm talking about me mine Yeah, you're good coach didn't know that not on the fly

Starting point is 01:09:37 Somebody had told him not to put me back in on no He just didn't want to put your ass back in y'all was up. It just so happened to work out that way basketball I was thinking the same thing, but because I had a record I was like I'm cool They just they just so happened to work out that way. Basketball. I was thinking the same thing, but because I had a record, I was like, ah, I'm cool. It just so happened to work out that way. How much y'all was up? Like 20-something. Yeah, it wasn't putting your ass back in. It make sense? I was trying to get in that, boo.

Starting point is 01:09:56 I ain't even gonna lie. I was trying to get at least 50. I ain't had 50 yet. And I was getting teased, too. Like, damn, you can't even get 50. Like, even when I got 60, didn't even get 50 yet. I went from 40 to 60 and still was getting teased. So is Luka's situation a little bit different,

Starting point is 01:10:20 but Giannis against the Pacers when he dropped that 64 piece, Bucks were winning, took him out, Pacers actually started to come back a little bit. So it made sense to put him back in the game to get that franchise record. Is Luka being petty or passionate? I want it to be an upset and frustrated that he wasn't able to keep the streak going. Starting to sway away from being a Luka fan, man.

Starting point is 01:10:40 What? Yeah, man. It goes against my basketball etiquette. What's wrong with Luca? What'd he do? Chasing the stats and shit, man. Just fucking play ball, nigga. It don't fucking matter. Y'all winning, man. You playing good. Y'all winning, nigga. Cool. If y'all losing and you getting these fucking stats, that shit don't fucking matter. Why? Is he doing his job, though? Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did his job. It was up exactly 20 So why would he be mad? That's what I'm saying. I'm the absurdity man. I'm not getting the call. I

Starting point is 01:11:11 Will hope so. This is mad about getting the call. Yeah. Yeah, if it's anything else, I'm like, yo, man, I'm cool on you, bro You're already not playing defense. I think the way he be not playing the like the ref ain't looking up there like oh shit He need three for a triple-. The ref ain't worried about that. He'll be surprised what the rest be doing. And they listening. They promoting that shit. Like, Luka's on his seventh, and tonight could be his. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:34 You feel like refs know that information. Oh, you got six straight, you know, 30-point. Man, give me my three points, man. So is that more on Jason Kish? Give me my three points, bro. So guess what? So the argument is you should have made one of them other ones that you took. Cool.

Starting point is 01:11:48 It was 9 for 23 in the game. I got six minutes. So you could have made one. You could have been 10 for motherfucking 20. So I don't want to hear it. All of that. All of that. Give me my three points, man. Me and Coach having problems. Right? You got to get them three points, though. Now what if...

Starting point is 01:12:02 You go back in there and motherfucking tear your shit up. Nah. Cool. Did I get my 30? Seven. This is going to be my problem right here. Now what if now this is this go back in there motherfucking tear shit up not being cool Did I get my 37 this is gonna be my problem? I hear you're going to tell you shit up and you got your 30-point triple-double now you out for the rest I'm not going up on my last six one now Jake here fucking game on the fucking job on the line because your ass shouldn't have been in that bitch as you chasing this day Cuz you know, you know, I just I've been chasing them all year that's why I'm averaging 30 10 and 10 that's what I'm saying man now what happens now what this is this will irritate the shit out of me as a player right I scored 27 today right record broke and then the next five games I do the same thing

Starting point is 01:12:38 right 30 10 and 10 and 30 and this motherfucker could have could have but he did so you and you could have made another shot. No Could have got right free throw Yeah, I could have got to the free throw if I had to play six more minutes to you could have given the time When we went to it was it so you will we'll had a hundred what was the score was again? Hmm when will who knows that nobody see it? Let me find out. I just be like, when the record's right.

Starting point is 01:13:11 169 to 147. 100 to what? 69 to 147. Say it again. How much? 169 to 147. So they won by how much? 22, if my math is not betraying me. So he was just in the game, just breaking the record.

Starting point is 01:13:25 And that was how long ago? 1962, March 2nd. So... Listen, I'm one of these. Listen, I'm just like this. If I'm playing 42 minutes a game, right? And I'm at the 35-minute mark, I don't give a fuck what the score is. You better give me the 42 minutes. Give me my 42 minutes coach

Starting point is 01:13:47 He may be up 30 I'm gonna fuck about that score my coach said play to the whistle ends I'm gonna playoffs how many playoff series you in I won I won one good one That's it. Hey, it was a quality Set it it's a reason it was high quality though. Okay. There's good window and it didn't go sit his ass down I am this is a good one One of the best series it was it was a good one. Come on man. Listen y'all got 90 listen listen y'all got 95 points, right? There's two minutes left in the game 95 sit me the fuck y'all up y'all up 40 in a record is 101 Okay, you're not going for it as the team. No, I want the guys who ain't played to get it That's just different between me and you for sure bro going for that right I'm like the

Starting point is 01:14:47 bitches in the bitches I said this is the teammate that I am right now the bitches if I know you needed four points you never had your 50 guess what I'm gonna tell the coach I'm gonna tell me to put you back in you ain't gonna have to be mad right hey man put gear back in so we can get it over for the way before right that's what I'm gonna do but you said if you if I look down a bitch you over them mad cuz you ain't in I'm be like man Fuck yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. It's a different day Hey coach, we gonna put the pressure on the coach. Hey coach. I never see no coach you that but oh You if you need five more points, are you taking your press off not to get it?

Starting point is 01:15:22 Could you feel sorry for the team? No, I don't feel sorry for the other team, but I don't want my starters in. I want guys who are not big. No, no, I'm being, but you're going to keep your press on. No, we don't need to keep the press on. We up 40. No, because there's a record, though. There's a record that's 100.

Starting point is 01:15:34 Nah, I'm not going to do that. Oh, shit. Take the press off. We're in zone. We'll play zone. No, we probably ain't going to play zone, but we're going to play man-to-man, but I ain't going to be pressing when we up 40.

Starting point is 01:15:43 No, I'm trying to get the rounds. I don't give a fuck about your, I don't care about your team. I don't care about their feelings. I know when history's over with, it's gonna be like that team right there got a hundred. Honey, I don't know what the score was when Lisa Leslie had the hundred at the half. I can tell you this though shoot at 200? She was mad as shit that their team quit She didn't get that she didn't get the California record because there's no question

Starting point is 01:16:13 Would you rather win the game or have the most points most points? Fuck you talking about Because I can tell you this when they say all the points in history I know one thing they don't have next to it wins and losses They don't have wins and losses when whoever had 70 something 62 85 see there's no wins and losses So we don't know what the hell happened When you get to the championship game, you would rather have the most points than to actually win the championship. You said the championship? Where is the championship? Like your son, the other

Starting point is 01:16:49 day, he had 44 most ever points, but they didn't win the championship. You didn't know they didn't win because I said they didn't win. Other than that... I said I wasn't paying attention. Other than that, nobody know if they won or lost. Except for the two teams that was playing. Yeah. It's Google, boy. It's Google because it's Google boy

Starting point is 01:17:06 They're like Danny at 44 the championship everybody thought he won So would you read that so would you rather have the most points or win the championship? I'm a sophomore right and I know you're just Because I'm a sophomore, I got two more years to get there. My leg ain't that strong. My leg ain't that strong. You keep moving it. All I'm saying is, right, I got to be in that moment. Like, I broke the record.

Starting point is 01:17:33 I really wanted a championship, but once I broke the record, I don't really. Do me a favor. Just answer the question. Go ahead. Get what you got. Championship or the most points. Go ask Elijah. Guarantee his ass

Starting point is 01:17:45 Guaranty, he won't win that shit check he'll take by 20 of the motherfuckers off to be 24 with a dub shit I'm thinking about the 100% Hey 100% You know what? I'll take the I'll take the championship because the record he's the number two He's number two. He's not number one. So he don't have the record record. So he's in second place He's in a record for a for a or Division four and second overall Tracy Murray got the record for 60. No traces put that ball in a basket

Starting point is 01:18:21 So now if you tell me 60, I got 61 in the loss Yeah, we take it. I'm 61 when I hit 60 and cause like yeah, we got the win I said it I'm gonna fuck about that win. I got 60 points on Kobe Bryant You can't take that off So you it's the Staples Center record to you didn't care that no there's one night dog no stop It was 60 on Kobe Bryant, bro. You think I care about fucking about him? In the world.

Starting point is 01:18:49 Because I know 60 on him, even if he won, he's still mentally hot. I was 60 on the Los Angeles Lakers, man. Huh? It was the Los Angeles Lakers. It was the Lakers. Before 24 on Kobe. It was 33 on Kobe, to be correct, because to be correct cuz free throws counts. I'm glad you Yes, 33

Starting point is 01:19:12 Fouled me and I go to the free throw line. That's two points, too So you got to count those two and it's a stable center record also for opponent That don't come with a win or loss as. How many did Kobe end up with that game? 44. Not on me. Like even, even. So he can say he got 60 on Kobe, but Kobe can't say he got 44 on you. I'm not dumb enough to guard him.

Starting point is 01:19:37 He can't say he got 44 on you. I'm not dumb enough to guard him. But he can't say he got 44 on me. Because I didn't guard him. 60, you saying he got 60 on him? No, I said 33. You only got 33 on him. I 33 on him.

Starting point is 01:19:48 But you keep saying I got 60 on Kobe. Because he was, it was the most important. Just saying. It was the most important part of it, though. Just saying, man. It was the most important. It was the last 33. I'm wearing my Kobe shirt next week.

Starting point is 01:20:00 It was the last 33. That's all that mattered. It was the last of it. Like, that matter. It was the last of it Like even even like stuff on the internet when they do this stuff, but you ever seen that like would you rather have? 73 points Zero says four rebounds and a loss or 12 points 20 rebounds 20 cents in the wind What would you rather have what would you rather have? What would you rather have Gil? 73, what the fuck are you talking about?

Starting point is 01:20:27 73! You just don't like winning huh? What the fuck do I want 12, 20 and 24? Nobody's going to remember that. Amazing triple double. You won! You win! Gil, 12, 20, 20 triple double. Win, win, win.

Starting point is 01:20:39 We'll remember the 73 more than we'll remember the 12, 20, 20. Gil, listen, you must have didn't win a lot when you was a kid. Okay, so. When you a kid and you win, you get used to that. You get used to that feeling of I want to beat your ass every time. Yours is. Whatever we play, I'm going to win. Win, win.

Starting point is 01:20:56 So, if you was losing, it's like, I don't give a fuck. No, see, he the type of motherfucker when y'all was playing at the park, getting passed in the ball, he took his ball and went home. He took the ball home. I mean. Because he wasn't getting to shoot enough. No, I shot enough because I got all the rebounds. I was going to rebound and shoot. The park you're passing the ball. He took his ball went to the ball We use his ball cuz he don't Ball right my ball pillow. Yeah, everybody else ball got it. We ain't got no air pump

Starting point is 01:21:24 Right there And a nice ball we right? Damn, the air pump and nice ball. Yeah, he got the air pump and a nice ball. We waiting for him to come to the court. Yeah, so we're not... There you go, Gilbert, he got the ball. Don't pass him the ball. He take his ball and go home. Fuck y'all. I ain't going to another court.

Starting point is 01:21:33 Yeah, Gil, would you do that? I'm a 73 dog. Okay. Just like Luka, just like whoever got 70-something, win or lost, they got it. It's in history. Mm-hmm. At the top. 12, 20, and 20. 12, 20, and 20.

Starting point is 01:21:46 12, 20, and 20 with a dub? Nigga, are you crazy? So this is how I win, right? That's crazy. Where you at in history, though? Which part of history? Wins! Yeah, that's just another win.

Starting point is 01:21:59 I'm just saying, when they look your stat up, where that 12 points going to be? Where's them 20 rebounds going to be? Where's that 20 assists going to be? I can tell you ain't going to be at the top of top of next to the first page. The first page says winners Yeah, I don't be there in the Instagram. There's no winners no more. Yo when Devin Booker scored 70 with Boston, right? I was so disappointed in Tyson channel at all like He was right in the middle of that shit. I was so disappointed in Tyson cuz I I'll Tyson up here for his teammate leadership respect and all that.

Starting point is 01:22:32 When they lost and they scored 70, Tyson was right in the middle with that shit. I was like... Hell yeah. Nigga, I would have been over that motherfucker. Y'all lost. We lost. Yeah. Dead ass hit. This nigga would have been like, oh, this nigga here, horrible team.

Starting point is 01:22:41 Man, what's wrong with you, man? He got 70. Nigga, we lost. Yeah. Yo, hey, listen. here horrible team. What's wrong with you man? We got 70 nigga. We love yeah. Hey listen Yeah, the feet. Yeah, we're defeated. Hey, we're a teammate. We're nowhere near no good thing New to the team we lose here the shower singing Do you remember what song you were singing? I don't know Hey man, if I had 73... Hey man.

Starting point is 01:23:08 I'm singing in the shower. Ice on and everything. Ice on and tights and tights. You done got up. I done took my feet out the bucket and everything. You know it's serious. Yeah for sure. Hey man, I know you not in here singing.

Starting point is 01:23:24 Not as we just lost. Was it good singing? You could have been rapping, singing. You could have been tap dancing. I don't care. They could have pissed, man. No, we went and listened. What if it's a sad song?

Starting point is 01:23:34 If you had 70 during your loss, are you singing in the shower? I'm not a particularly good singer. Are you singing in the shower? The way I better sing in the car. I better sing in the car. You better sing in the car, nigga. Where we going? Then on me.

Starting point is 01:23:48 Yeah, I was so good. Then on me. Y'all, that's fine. All y'all can go. I'm like, hey, I see you upset and everything, but what are we doing after this? Nothing. Nah, man.

Starting point is 01:23:57 K-Mart don't want to go eat. That's why them niggas are not like me. I'm sitting there like, niggas is looking at their stats and shit like, yeah, man, I should. Like, nigga, we just got like about 30. What the fuck is y'all niggas talking about? Hey, it's looking at they stash and see like yeah, man. I should I think we just got about 30 No, what the fuck is all they get talking about? Hey, it's your job to be mad My job is to do what I did and I did it so uh, I'd I see y'all boys tomorrow I'm bad a strip club. Anybody who won't go I

Starting point is 01:24:17 See y'all there. I've never seen nobody. Why is that? Okay? on a sin with us? Man I get after them nigga right and your teammates over there cool see I see him I said fuck the me This dude, you know has the most points by visiting player in Staples Center history who they mean will do tell Gilbert arenas 60 points Allen Houston 53, Dang 48. Who that? That's me right there, right there. Hey, that's me after the game too. Yeah, that was the...yeah. Yeah, that's me too after the game and a loss. Should've put the L next to it.

Starting point is 01:24:56 You know what I'm saying? Should've put the 70 with the L next to it. You want to zoom in? Final score. That's going to be his curse though. That's me right there, just... Boogskirk smiling with that 70, go's gonna be his curse though. That's me right there. Just books curse smiling with that 70 Damn I almost got it as a young player you took the L but you dropped 70 in the garden We talked to Earl Watson my former UCLA teammate was coaching the Suns at this point

Starting point is 01:25:16 I needed him to get that confidence instilled in him. That's what he said. We had a longer goal I knew the Suns was fucking this wasn't gonna put a competitive team out there But I knew D book was gonna be special had to let him to put a competitive team out there, but I knew D-Book was going to be special. Had to let them go out there and cook. Does that change it at all? If they would have won. Like, I get what Earl said. And when he said it, I heard him, and I respect Earl.

Starting point is 01:25:38 I do. But I hear it. If that leads to, what was the final score of that game? That matters. It does. Oh, shit, I just had it. Just like Black Lives. It was one...

Starting point is 01:25:50 But... 130 to 120. So they lost by 10. So they had a chance to win. Yeah. So I'm okay with him going about it that way, right? They had a chance. If they was down 40 at one point,

Starting point is 01:26:10 then him... So you got to put this shit into context, right? Does it make it worse if they lost by 40 or 50? Yeah. Or they was down 40 during the game and him...

Starting point is 01:26:21 Keep bringing them back. Him leaving them in and like... It was still a competitive game. So... Keep bringing them back. Him leaving them in and, like... He just... It was still a competitive game. So, I'm cool with that. But the celebration after the loss, right? We... Okay, he scored 70.

Starting point is 01:26:32 All of them... I don't care. Like, it basically was champagne, that bitch. Like, they... Like, it was no. We lost. For sure. They smiling in the locker room.

Starting point is 01:26:39 Yeah, by the way. Like, I was disappointed. The team, they just had 70. I was disappointed in Tyson. Man, we lost. And we lost. We lost. Like, I was... Yeah, I was... Yeah. It don't matter who had this is a loss. We lost. I was yeah

Starting point is 01:26:45 I was yeah, it don't matter who had what on the team my nigga. We on the plane. I'm mad. We lost fuck the dumb shit Yeah, I'm the dumb. I just like women. I'm happy for you. Listen a book. Congratulations Good good game. This is me. Amen. Great. Thank you game, bro. No, but she other than that, you know I'm that's what see that. that's what I was expecting more from Tyson, right? That not being the middle of the celebration when we just fucking lost. I've never seen somebody score 70 before. I don't care. That's all I have to tell you.

Starting point is 01:27:14 That's all Kobe said. I've seen people lose and win. Congratulations. I see what that look like. Right? They won. Ooh, they cheer. They lost.

Starting point is 01:27:23 Ooh, they sad. 70? Yeah. Yeah. 70 different. Yeah the game bro. You score 70 in the laws. How sad are you the same thing for you came? Sad I'm about being safe happened. Oh what you mean? This man lost in the first round with me in the shootout happy than the motherfucker cuz I lost he has He He has seven I won He lost I did not lose I did not lose He didn't get out of the first round Lost to the same Kenyon

Starting point is 01:27:51 Kenyon He lost to the same people The point of the shootout was not to win the shootout Wow Loser What was the versus Gilbert has to beat me and I we both lost You are so playoffs. I don't give a fuck if he went to game seven and I went the first well lost

Starting point is 01:28:14 Exit was he said did he say don't know man. They what he was happy to the motherfuckers. I did Good job. Yeah. Oh, yeah He lost twice to he lost to the dude He had a chance to get out of the first round one-on-one what a dude who wasn't even a shooter lost again He lost two times Gilbert. He lost one They had He lost two times! Gilbert. He lost one on one. You sat on the couch. They had a... Gilbert sat on the couch and said, my whole point of this shootout, as long as I beat

Starting point is 01:28:52 him, I don't give a fuck who wins. He said it. We can pull it up. I don't give a fuck who wins. My whole point is to beat him. Who did he beat? He did not beat me. So I took the same approach.

Starting point is 01:29:05 I said, well, shit, I'm not trying to win this motherfucker either. Rashad, so you're saying you deliberately tanked the first ever girls arena? That's a loser. I won against him. That's a loser. It was not a tournament for me. It was Gilbert is out here training every day for 12 hours a day to beat me. I'm not even in the gym training at all.

Starting point is 01:29:27 I'm in this business. It showed. It showed. I'm in this business like this. Well, if he's just going to train, I'm just going to show up and still beat this nigga. All I got to do is have more than him. What did I do? I have more than him.

Starting point is 01:29:40 17 to 12. That was the game. Okay. It's over. After that, it was over. That's why I was cheering. I said, yes! Yes, because tomorrow when we get on film, when we get on

Starting point is 01:29:51 camera, I have more than you. Again. Again. Again. That wasn't 70 on the loss. That was 20 on the win. No, 17 on the win. 17 on the way. Okay, who won? Anthony Miracola was the okay who didn't get out of the first round of this thing

Starting point is 01:30:13 amongst other people Gilbert arenas Rashad McCance and Brendan Jennings, right? We didn't get out of the first round, right? Yeah, so as a group each individual we lost to a whole bunch of other people, right? Yes. Does this sound like a winning dude, right? He's saying that if he don't win, he's upset. I would have been upset if you beat me. If he didn't win.

Starting point is 01:30:38 I would have been up fucking set. If he did not win, he would have been hot, right? So he won enough to be satisfied. I beat you. He personally did enough for himself to be satisfied, right? If 70 is good enough for me, you cheer, right? You see how he tries to change the wording? I'm not too tall.

Starting point is 01:31:02 You want to get on your line because this is what you do. You're going to go from here upstairs to your little live and try to convince all your little minions that, see, see, this is what he be doing. He be doing this.

Starting point is 01:31:12 Nigga, you challenged me. The reason we did the shootout because you thought you was a better shooter than me. It came out that you're not. Twice. Twice, nigga. It don't matter who was else out there shooting nigga we didn't

Starting point is 01:31:27 go out there to shoot against anthony mara coleman who the fuck was them niggas i don't know you all i know is you you got the gym you rented it out you was cheating beforehand you was in there doing all this shit and you still lost To me Nigga this was a match up between you and me Nobody else So when you leave here Go upstairs and try to convince them Hey McKenzie's out there man he's cooking you a gig Gilbert

Starting point is 01:31:56 What you gotta say Well this is what he was doing I don't want to hear all that shit man You lost to me 17 to 12 You done? No So you said you come over here and say you a winner hear all that shit, man. You lost to me. 17 to 12. You done? No. So you said, you come over here and say you a winner. I beat you. I won. If you do not

Starting point is 01:32:12 win at all, right? There you go. Do not win at all, shit. Because if I'm playing you in a game and I score 70 and you couldn't stop me, but I lost and you won, you're claiming as a winner. The challenge is me and you. Hold on. Our team is a team.

Starting point is 01:32:28 So I'm saying I won when I scored 70 and took an L. Me personally won. You're saying, no, nigga, I got the win. So I'm saying, well, in our matchup, in the shootout, you personally beat me. My team against your team. But you lost the tournament, but you're claiming to win.

Starting point is 01:32:44 Because I didn't go in to play the tournament I'm planning to shoot. I don't know tournament. It was my team against your team me team Rashad I came with the work. Remember I will do she will be in Okay, what did you wait wait So when you when you had 17 tied with the other dude and it was between you two to get to the next round. Why didn't you just stop and say already be Gilbert? Because why that we had you I did was stop you the last one to go.

Starting point is 01:33:16 Maybe what you're talking about. I went first. Me and do it first. We were the first contestants. I was the first suitor. You was the last suitor. That's first shooter. You was the last shooter. That's why I didn't cheer until you went. Because you hit 12.

Starting point is 01:33:30 I'm like, this nigga got to hit 19. Oh, he didn't. I win. So again, that was good. At the end of the first round, what happened? Lexi Brown advanced. No, what happened after the first round? Two people was tied for 17, correct? Correct.

Starting point is 01:33:45 Who was those two people? Oh, did he have to Rashad shoot off Rashad had a shootout. He beat me He should have just said hey, I'm good. I'll he tried to go to the second round. Oh, I missed on purpose Okay, I want already okay, that's what I want you want I Wanted I won already. Okay. That's what I want you want Why not one? Okay, we had a good party after that. I know I did it was Can't believe your wife catered made and we had a good part delicious assortment of food Yeah, I was very delicious absolutely instant itis we had a party here I wouldn't talk about this out before I had a different kind of party. Yeah, we had a party here. I wouldn't talk about this out. Well, I had a different kind of party. Yeah, we had a party

Starting point is 01:34:32 Baby you do exactly what I need you to do roll me in and roll me out She rolls your ass out to out of the first round just like me Shout out to Anthony Miracola winner the first ever Gills Arena shootout presented by the North Fantasy Wolf Wolf. He won another chance. He can have all the chances he wants. I told him we can shoot whenever. Gil, let's just get in the gym. Shit, you can get your face back. As you go right now. Let's go. I'm ready. I got it. Only in America, ladies and gentlemen.

Starting point is 01:34:58 What? I think we need another Gills shootout, personally. So, now, fuck that up. So, what we're going to do gonna do is we're gonna do like the nba did right we're gonna have the regular shootout then we're gonna let you two that's that's what it's supposed to be so that's what i'm trying to get just what we're gonna do so we're gonna have a regular shootout right we'll have a winner that can win the prize how about this we can go me and him saturday you can fit we can film it saturday just me and him we take a hundred shots no we pay the people pay to come on. Oh, yeah We shoot

Starting point is 01:35:38 And just shoot not cuz I gotta be well And then we and then we get short right here and then we can look at it make it a thing Why give away what you can sell we ain't shooting in the backyard We can shoot at you. We can shoot wherever you want. We got to make sure you can pick the location. It's whatever We're Saturday at the where's that? What's Saturday this Saturday? I got some I got some work In right now I got some people to do things Things to see so we asked the chat who won the shootout nearly 2,000 votes. 56% said Anthony Miracola.

Starting point is 01:36:28 Thank you. 34% said Rashad McCants. And 10% said Agent 12. I didn't win. I lost. Definitely fucking lost. Like I'm not saying I didn't lose. I'm just saying

Starting point is 01:36:38 stop saying you a winner if you ain't winning nothing. You can't lose with me then say I'm only about winning. Winning is the whole day There was a hundred thousand on the table thirty seven percent say I won there was a hundred thousand on the table That was the win you didn't win it if I didn't win a hundred percent would have said Marco

Starting point is 01:36:53 But they said thirty seven percent said McCann's did the chat has revolted again. There was one prize a coup de grand You went in entered for a hundred grand you as in the first round with me I'm going in the game to win a game Unfortunately, I hit 73. I'm happy y'all see how this shit go down I'm happy so if we plan to okay, he gonna be like yeah, you didn't beat me cuz I didn't bring my controller. No Cuz your Wi-Fi glitchy man, I don don't know, man. My shit was missing. You got the sliders on. That's him. I ain't wearing my lucky hat.

Starting point is 01:37:31 No, I'm like this. We play two on two. And we going to 21. I got 19 and we lost. Bitch, I won. I won. I can't help he didn't score. I can't help you didn't score

Starting point is 01:37:59 When it comes to team shit, hey, I'm an individual still you play a you basketball That's what I played original a you know, that's what our arrow a you just where you had But you were shooting it every time though still oh facts never when he never went to the championship game They went to the gym. Oh, I went to the final four you never what you never won a championship in you Wait what no No, we went to the final four and I had to come back for summer school That was it, but we got to the final four though. You had to come back for summer school. That was it. But we got to the Final Four though. You was firing that motherfucker though, right?

Starting point is 01:38:29 What? What? Fair assessment. Well, I had Dunleavy on my team. So you're not passing him? No, he passed me the ball. Okay. Three-time state champ.

Starting point is 01:38:38 Your teammates love you. And a national champ. My teammates love me. That's what they told you. I was hustler, played defense. I was what? That's what they told you. Oh, no, no I was what that's what they told no no no no teammates my teammate we didn't have we didn't we didn't have

Starting point is 01:39:04 It wasn't that many blacks on our chair so so many events you ain't get to go to that door back door back door It's talking to the man very limited. Yeah, very limited. Yeah, and we do I have to go today's That's what they said when you should but on the way to the game. On the way to the game. With their parents in the car. Yeah, after their parents in the car. You're never going to be there. Because you know they carpooling back there. There's three or four people in the middle of the car. No, no. See? Or they're in the suburban. Or they're in the suburban.

Starting point is 01:39:31 Nah, we had cars back then, brother. White people fake too. They, as soon as they see, yay! Right before they got out of the car, they was like, man, I hope he don't show up. Yeah, you show up at the last minute. They like, yeah, damn, yay! Oh, no. Oh, we don't, no.

Starting point is 01:39:42 We don't, the only reason we got to Vegas is because of me. They know that. Oh, they didn't. We, listen, they're we got the Vegas cuz of me they know that oh they didn't we listen Oh man They drove as soon as you get closer deal With y'all trade in ten shots or go to Vegas they'll be like Yeah, we played y'all a cringeworthy to Vegas? They'd be like, yeah, I want 10 shots. We played y'all in Crenshaw. Did it look like my teammates wanted us? They did not look particularly enthused to be on the basketball court,

Starting point is 01:40:12 except we're giving the ball to Gilbert. Gil, this would be a fast break. Where's Gilbert at? Shoot the ball. You got him. This is the Valley, bro. This is the Valley, we did we didn't play We was just happy to get out

Starting point is 01:40:39 Stopping me was impossible. It was all pics Let's get back let's get back to more productive Let's get back to more productive topics now first friend of the program at two-time all-star Yeah, you know our studios used to crack back in the day Hmm friend of the program, two-time All-Star, Isaiah Thomas made his debut last week with the Jazz G League affiliate, showed the basketball world he still got game. So we got some highlights, hopefully, unless our crew just mutinied. I know, they're still rocking with him. Before the game or after?

Starting point is 01:41:20 So IT put up 32 points in the game. Doing his thing. Just happy to see that man back out there. Everything he's been through the past few years. Can you be supportive? So he followed that up. With another 30-piece on Monday You can't shoot that shit. He's looking good. He's looking good.

Starting point is 01:41:52 Thomas last played in the league 2021-2022 season. He had brief stints with the Lakers, Mavs, and then appeared in 17 games with the Hornets to close out the season. After the game, IT reflected on the adversity he's faced the past few years and why he would never give up on his dream of getting back to the league. Has there been a constant message or something that you've read that has just constantly kept you focused each and every day and kept that energy where you need it? My kids, they're at age now, it's like if I give up at some point in their life, they're going to hit some adversity and maybe tap out and give up. And're 12 and 13 I got a daughter that's five and

Starting point is 01:42:29 she doesn't really know what's going on but them boys seen it at see me at the highest level and they see me at the lowest where I couldn't even get out of bed and I was hurt so the the biggest reason is them like I them, should I go to the G League? Like, when they came and called me, and them two boys was like, you better go. You better go. Like, we want to come see you play too. So that's the reason I keep going,

Starting point is 01:42:58 and then the overall love of it. The hell are you laughing at? I'm not laughing at anything. I'm rolling with it, T. G. The Zeke in, he was very hospitable. I'm fucking with you, man. Let us pull up to Tacoma. Trying to get back in the league. I'm not saying he can't play basketball.

Starting point is 01:43:21 I'm not saying that. Are you just not particularly fond of the G League level of talent? No, I'm not saying he can't play basketball. I'm not saying that. Are you just not particularly fond of the G League level of talent? No, I'm not saying that either. Dude. Talk about it. How old is he? 35. So the chance of him growing six inches is what?

Starting point is 01:43:42 Zero. I feel like he will stay at his current height for the remainder of his life. It's a different game. It's a different game, dog. But I don't even know if he's... If his kids want to see him play, which I'm all for. It's great.

Starting point is 01:43:58 Unfortunate is going to be there. He can lead the G League in scoring. That's where it's going to be. That's just where the game is now. He's a volume shooter. Liability defensively. I'm just calling it space. It was a basketball show, right?

Starting point is 01:44:21 Talking about basketball, right? I'm looking at the totality. Was his run when he was in it good? Absolutely. I think the NBA ship has sailed. Just where the game is going. I mean, just from what he's talking, I don't know if it's about the NBA.

Starting point is 01:44:41 I mean, you know, his kids are at an age where, you know, everything he does, they watching. Right. So, you know, from getting out of bed and not wanting to do something, not wanting to train, they don't pick up on those habits. And I think this is more about like personally for him to show them that he never gave up on a dream. So when it's time for them to move forward in life, they always have something to go back to. Like, oh, you know, when dad was this, this, and this, he still worked hard, and it might help them keep going.

Starting point is 01:45:17 So I can see what he's saying from that standpoint. And, you know, I mean, we just, you know, as a Hooper, we're just, you know, so many people, when we leave, we don't get a chance to go at any level. So the fact that he's still playing and, you know, getting opportunity, even if it's a short window, you know, for us, that's, when we started it, it was a short window. I understand. Right, so. No, for sure.

Starting point is 01:45:38 He can get a 10-day, 3-day, 5-day, 7-day. If it's about. 72 hours. No, he can get him a 10-day at the embassies. day three day Friday seven days if it's about 72 hours no and get them attended overseas under that would be the extent of yeah of a longevity is what I'm saying not everything you said I agree with 1000% I'm taking nothing away from none of that but yeah not understand what you sound I'm looking at somebody who loves the game yeah been through a lot, and still even at 35 years old, whatever the motivation may be, trying to show you can still...

Starting point is 01:46:10 True. Find it. Do it. Support him in that. There's a lot of us that still want to play, still feel like we can, but our bodies say differently. You know what I'm saying? I think it's more of the storyline behind what he is trying to go after. I can still play a little bit. I can still move up and down. But to show my kids that I reached a low to actually get a 10-day or whatever contract that he does get just to be like, look, see, I did it. So I think realistically for him it's not, can I go back to the league and score

Starting point is 01:46:46 17, 18 a game and be a factor and sub in on sixth man, seventh man, eighth man on the bench, that type of shit. It's like, nah, put me on a team and be a vet. Let me talk to these young kids, figure it out. But if I'm in that arena and popcorn popping, it's different when you go in there and you smell that NBA shit. You go into the NBA locker room and you're a part of that NBA team and the NBA practices. That's a whole different type of energy that I think that he's trying to get back to

Starting point is 01:47:13 so that he can show his kids, like, nah, it's possible. But if it don't happen, I don't think it should be anything that his kids look at as a failure. No, because they can't because he's been there, right? Right, right.

Starting point is 01:47:26 Like he said, they were like, I think him saying when he couldn't get out of bed, I think when he was hurt. When he was hurt, yeah. His kids old enough to see that. So they remember his dad playing at the highest level. So they have that to lean on. He still have that to tell them. I think they're about six, seven years old at that point.

Starting point is 01:47:42 Yeah, so but see, memories at this time, this was crazy, the kids' memories, but they're unbelievable. You'd be surprised, right? They remember. Yeah, I'm with him, man. It's tough to be there and then still have that ability in your brain and still be able to go out and display it.

Starting point is 01:48:04 Yeah, I'm pretty sure his dreams and admiration is to be on another NBA roster. Right? Of course. He's been there. But it's just, yeah, having that to share with his kids is great. But we've got to look at the reality of the game. The game has evolved. The game has changed.

Starting point is 01:48:19 Yeah, just at his position. Right? At his position alone. Like, it's just, it's going to be tough. Right? Yeah. But he love hooping, and we know the G League is a place where you can go hoop, and like you said, he can go out there, and he's a vet,

Starting point is 01:48:34 and the team's going to lean on that. Yeah. And, yeah, so he can go get down there and definitely be a leader, and the things that he did to get there and the stick and all that, he can definitely share all those experiences. There's some positives that can come out of this, but I don't want him to have all those eggs in that NBA basket

Starting point is 01:48:52 because the game has evolved. Yeah, I think more so just love of the game. Even when we have Norris on the show and him still playing as Vets to be able to give back to this younger generation, hopefully give them some good habits. The guys that will move forward, even just giving back to the game, I think is an admirable, noble move. And obviously, we saw him at the Zeke Inn this past summer, just got a chance to talk

Starting point is 01:49:13 to him, and the situations that led to where he is now, you can't help but feel for him and just be rooting for him. Yeah, G League shit is like a graveyard, dog. A lot of people. I was four years old. And it feels that way for a lot of guys. Yeah, for a lot of guys, League shit is like a graveyard. Yeah, that's what people that's what it feels It feels that way for a lot of guys. Yeah for a lot of guys. That's just like a graveyard man So I just don't want him to think that that he think that he did wasn't successful and She liked that. Yeah, but for sure and then from your standpoint just as Hoopers quickly. How cold was was IT during this prime? I was in a league when he came in.

Starting point is 01:49:47 But just watching, I mean, you know, that Washington Wizards series, I mean, he was phenomenal. I think that was the last year that, you know, that he was on top of his game because of the injury. That labrum tear is just different. But watching him against that Wizards series, I mean, he was phenomenal. I go back to SAC. I go back to watching...

Starting point is 01:50:14 Did you ever miss SAC? Nah, it was right after. So just watching how he progressed and how the stories that came out of SAC when he was there, how he was like a bully. He was the little bully. Him and D Cousins was on that bully shit, and to hear it coming from him, like, he didn't take no shit. He demanded everybody play hard.

Starting point is 01:50:36 And just the way that he willed himself, you know, after we seen a guy like Nate Robinson come in and show that little guys can play, then he came in and showed that little guys can really score that bitch at a high clip. And I think that him going to Boston and getting the opportunity to have his own little situation was prime time. Prime time. You can't forget about what he's done for the game. And it's unfortunate that he did have an injury and Boston did do him like that.

Starting point is 01:51:03 And I'm a Boston fan right now. So it just kind of folks with me that that's the the element for him but it's a success story that should end with a 10-day just for the NBA sake so let's keep this thing moving so been a lot of discussion about how stars from the 2000s. We look in today's game. We've had some heated debates These past few weeks talked at great length about AI saying he could average 43 in this offensive driven NBA But which superstar from your era would have the most success in this current NBA Do you know how many people play in there a lot you okay a lot of great basketball players Well, this would be a great era for like Like someone like Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, right? Because now you have a whole bunch of shooters,

Starting point is 01:52:08 so you know, and Jake Kidd has what, 12, damn, assists then, and now he has nothing but shooters. I mean, you're talking about a way better Halliburton, right, when it comes to just passing the ball dirt I mean I don't know it depends I just I'm gonna go with Trace and the great face my grading yeah what is it about T max game that you think you can't touch him by like, no off button? Yeah, Dirk.

Starting point is 01:52:56 But I'm going to go with Matt. The obvious. I'm going to go with the obvious. Mamba? No. Who? Who's the obvious then? Shaquille O'Neal. What the fuck are they going to do with Shaq out there?

Starting point is 01:53:15 What the fuck are you guys going to do with Shaquille O'Neal? Like, what can you do? Literally. Where nobody can do the answer, so shit. Literally. Like, what the fuck are you guys can you do? Literally nobody could do the answer Literally like what the fuck you guys gonna do nothing out there right now like with even with Joker And do not with joke what the fuck are you gonna do with Shaq? Maybe one year and they don't have to switch all the way back to Big man big man big man big man. It just go back to drafting a whole bunch of big men. Yeesh. Disgusting.

Starting point is 01:53:47 Do you think we'll ever see, and we talked about this, I think, last week or a week or two ago, but a player like that, obviously Shaq just don't grow on trees, but is there going to be a big man that's dominant enough to shift the league back to prioritizing? Because that big man would be evolved. He's running the one now. He'd be evolved. They don't eat enough.

Starting point is 01:54:12 They're not big enough like that. He was grown fed. He was slave strong. Because even though he was big, he was still so athletic. So it has to be just some...

Starting point is 01:54:24 Even but Young Shaq, though, has though has some guards pushing. Yeah, like Even though that even that dude was that dude was more advanced in the Laker shot. Yeah, in a sense the I'm gonna have to be capable of Making Shots like you say got that like being like a be a shooter shooter,'re going to have to be able to be a shooter-shooter, but he's going to have to be capable. Be big in that regard, like statue-wise like Shaq, but be capable of

Starting point is 01:54:52 making shots, right? But his number one asset and ability is to get your ass on this block and let's see what it is. Yeah, but even with that, you got to think about, like, how slow the game was when we have to go to the post, right?

Starting point is 01:55:12 Slow it down, go, like, so... I look at... Even when Jokic is still pick and roll, pop, then he'll dribble down there. But somebody who just post-play, now we got to sit there and slow the ball down to get him. You still can run your normal offense, but it ain't gonna be every position. We run in turn five. Yeah You wouldn't have to cuz gonna think about what Joker don't do

Starting point is 01:55:35 He don't run the floor middle of the floor under the rim turn seal Yeah, you don't see that that's what Shaq was. Like you got to stop Shaq at the free throw line Hope that he go to the post Like imagine like Shaq not having the real skill set where he can get there and drop step and just turn and dunk on your ass every time Like if Joker actually had that if and be got it a little bit where he'll seal you I'm saying he'll make keep you on his back boom jump hook whatever it is But I just don't see motherfuckers having what Shaq had was that I'm gonna put you in the doghouse barbecue chicken down here

Starting point is 01:56:09 He had the black tornado. That's what he called that motherfucker. Would he spin on that spin lob with the dunk? No, man, he was just there's too much. Do you think teams would be able to neutralize Shaq and defensively? Nothing you can do you ain't got enough players. Shooting 40, 50 threes, not making them stretch. But at the end of the day, whoever has Shaq is not shooting 50-something threes. No, I'm saying the other team that they're playing against. Yeah, but you still look at points in the paint, too. They're shooting all them threes, but then you got to look at points in the paint what team's scoring tonight, so it still balances out.

Starting point is 01:56:38 You're still scoring 50, 60 points in the paint. Yep, and we're slowing the game down because you got a foul. So we're putting you in the bonus in the first five, six minutes in the paint. Yep. And we're slowing the game down. And we're slowing the game down because you got a foul. So we're putting you in the bonus in the first five, six minutes of the game. Yeah, the game is fast, but it's still averaging, what, 115, 16. That's team average of 24. So you can still average that with Shaq out there, with the more athletic young Shaq. Like that Orlando Shaq could definitely,

Starting point is 01:57:05 would have been a major goddamn problem in his NBA. Yeah. Rim protector, rim runner. Most of the bigs, I mean, was it probably Hakeem from the 90s bigs? Alonzo. Because if Rudy Gobert could play in his NBA. Yeah. And he's not. That's every big, yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:22 And he's not good offensively. I mean, offensively, you can throw him the ball, and he's limited, right? He don't have the mentality like Shaq had. So, no shots there, Rudy. Yeah, that's not a... Three-time defense, but all that is great. But then you add that with a dude who won it offensively with the young Shaq. Like, that's an issue.

Starting point is 01:57:41 Yeah. And you're not worried about not keeping Shaq on the floor because everybody's trying to shoot threes but you think about why they run at a fast pace why the ball is going up and down because they're not playing no defense you're not getting either they're getting stops or it's fast fast shots quick shots right so if you actually execute an offensively get the ball down the Shaq he's scoring that bitch you got to take it out get it up then y'all got to get a good shot off whether it's a fast shot or a quick shot.

Starting point is 01:58:08 Whatever it is, the game is going to move at the pace of who executing the best. So if you executing and you're not turning the ball over, the other team not really scoring at that fast pace. You got to play at our pace. We playing at Shaq's pace. You dictating it based on... So when Shaq went to Phoenix, they changed

Starting point is 01:58:24 the pace because they wasn't making him the focal point. He wasn't the, oh, we're going to get it to Shaq first pace. You dictating it, Bissell. So when Shaq went to Phoenix, they changed the pace because they wasn't making him the focal point. He wasn't the, oh, we're going to get it to Shaq first. It was not. We get that bitch down and shoot it and shoot it. Shaq, you get the half court. Sorry, big fella. That's what happens. They were going to Shaq. Slowed the whole offense up for the rest of them. But when they could get

Starting point is 01:58:39 down and shoot it, they did. And then that what made them ultimately change the Shaq. You're slowing the fucking game down. You're slowing it too far for us. So today's game, it wouldn't be that because it wouldn't be that slow Shaq. It would be a faster Shaq.

Starting point is 01:58:55 We will hope. But I'm saying young Orlando Shaq, if you had to just guess how much you think a young Orlando Shaq could average in this current NBA? I'm saying 40 and 20. If a lead is at 33 and 14. You got to play more like Giannis.

Starting point is 01:59:21 He's going to be playing more back to the basket. He's going to have a lot more and ones. More like Giannis. More like Giannis, yeah. Stronger. Yeah. He's going to be playing more back to the basket. He's going to have a lot more and ones. More like Giannis. More like Giannis, yeah. Stronger. Yeah. Yeah, it's thirsty.

Starting point is 01:59:30 I want to say he averaged 29 and 11 playing 37 minutes a game. So even if that shifted down to 33, 32 minutes. That's Giannis' numbers. Yeah. This is for Giannis. 30 and. So do we think it would increase though with the hot stop volume? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:44 Because there's nobody there to protect. There's nobody there protect it. Yeah, nobody's big enough to actually stop him from for sure Duncan it you know, that's Nobody built like remember when he came in Those he he average what that's the second year. So first year average 23 and 14 second year. We average 29 and 13 So you have a 29 the year? Hakeem was embarrassing them. Yep 90 playing 40 40 minutes a game. Yeah, he played against MVP big man, and he still averaged 29 There's no MVP big man. That's gonna play defense, right?

Starting point is 02:00:19 So we think I came was a defensive player David Robinson defensive player Yeah, that's a UN defense deepest but those bigs played defense And he was eating a lunch and offense these guys are Now you have Rudy who plays defense, but I mean he's checks pushing through that tax. Mm-hmm 40 piece 40 or 15. Yeah easy Like I said, I'm Shag making free throws, man, that's some...

Starting point is 02:00:46 Shaq made free throws. He's averaging 40 against us. Yeah, that's... Nightmare. So, I mean, you got to keep his free throws still low, but, I mean, you know, it's... He's making seven free throws a night, eight free throws. Like, that's... Career 53. He wouldn't even shoot... What's so funny is he wouldn't even shoot that many free throws in his era.

Starting point is 02:01:03 Because they're not going to foul him. Yeah. Because, yeah, he can't. He can't be shoot that many free those in his hair cuz then I don't follow him Yeah, cuz he can't Make free throw what I'm saying is no we keep his free those the same Nobody's cuz they're not built if they don't have enough bigs to get in foul trouble for right and in the altar I mean, there's no alternates for you banks. You got him now I mean surely they would adjust but do you think now those numbers increase? Because if they got to preserve the fouls, they're just going to let it go. That's what I'm saying. He's just going to be getting dunks and layers because Rudy Goldberg, who's his backup now?

Starting point is 02:01:30 There's not six big men bums sitting on the bench just being able to sub in just to get those fouls in. I'm going to tell you right now, as much as I love defense and play defense, I'd be damned, possession after possession, I was going to go out there and guard him. Yeah, foul him. No. I him no no nothing to do with him no brother you got it yeah a possession yeah I get stuck alright cool we're in transition and I'm the first one down alright cool I'm gonna hold him up as much as I can hey guarantee they throw this bitch down here Y'all better double Can you imagine cold in his hair I

Starting point is 02:02:10 Thought about it T-mega was like T man There's just certain people that just like you can't touch him. No can't touch him. No real doubles He's Francis. And it's open. But that bounce, that explosiveness. Still 6'3". Shifty. But he was more highlight reel than it was actual going to get bucket. So he'd be like the Jordan Poole type, sitting there trying to make a highlight doing too many moves. He'd be on SportsCenter like crazy.

Starting point is 02:02:43 Fucking Joe Johnson. Oh, Joe, yeah. Oh my God. I saw Joe. And this, oh shit. No, because it'd be Tatum with a better playbook. Absolutely, yo. It's like saying Jamal Mashburn. That nigga.

Starting point is 02:03:01 That shit. That shit effortless huh? Nigga, Joe Johns, yo, that shit effortless. Yeah. Yo. His playbook was amazing at the shooting guard position. Allen Houston. I was just about to say Allen. Shooting shit out of it, bro.

Starting point is 02:03:15 But he couldn't dribble, right? No, he didn't. He was Clay Thompson. He was Clay Thompson. Second option, third option. But he ain't missing that bitch. He knocking that shit down at a high clip. High clip. Hot clip.

Starting point is 02:03:26 So which superstar from your era was struggling the most to translate to this NBA? Why you smacking your lips? You like to stretch this shit out, don't you? I know, right? Steve Nash. He's going to stretch it a little bit longer. I don't say shit when the director Pizek come through.

Starting point is 02:03:44 Be smiling, whistling whistling best friends Danny Who struck up and you asking us to bash niggas man, not the best There's different areas different period. We don't bad about it. Whoever we name Not good as the Nash was like just just defensively, he struggled to get up. They ain't even trying to play defense now. You're right. What am I talking about? Duh. Duh. But you think Nash was...

Starting point is 02:04:22 Nah, it's Gil right there. He would have want to know. He would have been absolutely fine. Running up and down, passing the shoe. That's all he was doing. But he was doing back then. But you said Nash and JK, we'll keep it positive since all of a sudden you're all about spreading positivity. Because it's hard to say who will struggle. Not even from a struggle standpoint, but like you pointed out, IT, just with the size of guards now and the way the league has shifted at 5'9", is going to have some issues on that

Starting point is 02:04:54 side in previous seasons. I mean, majority of the guards who couldn't shoot. I mean, if you can't shoot, I mean, it's hard to play today. Dominique Wilkins? Who? Dominique? He was in our era, but I mean... Oh, you're saying our era,

Starting point is 02:05:11 2000s? I don't know. I don't... I mean, just... If you couldn't shoot the ball, it'd be kind of hard unless you were just really explosive and get into that basket.

Starting point is 02:05:22 Like D-Wade would kill. Yeah. I'm talking about from the point guard position Like D-Wade would kill. Yeah. I'm talking about from the point guard position. Point guards who can't shoot. Anybody. Like if D-Wade was playing this era, he would kill. He wasn't a shooter like that. No, that's shooting guard.

Starting point is 02:05:33 That's the difference. I'm talking about point guard. As a point guard, if you couldn't shoot. Look at Ben Simmons struggling, right? And he's 6'10". If he was in our era, he'd be dominant. In this era, he's, that's the city's This is areas like wait. Hold on. We just gonna sit back in here

Starting point is 02:05:53 about Ray Allen Pig and rolls with the I see that's the difference now. It's pick a roll and switch. Yeah, it's not real He has a dribble See that's the difference now. It's pick and roll and switch. Yeah, it's not Dribble Ray would have to shoot off the dribble. It wouldn't be no catch the shoe. There's not I use that diamond in our air It's a good question, so yeah Cuz they're switching now So now you got to actually have one-on-one ability to get past somebody and one to, two, dribble, pull up. In that pick and roll, he's sitting. He gets to turn the corner now. Switch.

Starting point is 02:06:27 Go. Tough. I don't know his moves. What about Parker? Tony Parker. Hell yeah. Because now he's switching. No, you're switching.

Starting point is 02:06:38 Now he's getting to run out a whole bunch of big. God. He gets to run. Boop. Oh. He ain't had no problem getting to the lane. No, he gonna get in there spin Right off them big years to nobody He was struggle. Oh, there's a clip out there me and Tony. I said Alan a sheep that doesn't spin again reverse my

Starting point is 02:06:59 What we down to pick and roll. He didn't. Ooh. That was nice. I think from our era, dudes who didn't get the ball a lot. Like dudes who, like they were special. Like Bruce Bowen would probably average more in this era. Because now, that swing, swing, they're going to actually get to him now. Right before, we wouldn't.

Starting point is 02:07:23 Remember, back in the day that swing it all the way around and that corner guy used to be a horrible shooter that's why we put his ass all the way over there mike bibby it's hard when like you guys like that were clever right it was clever they can shoot it like that's as long as he was. They can shoot. Like I was going to say, as long as... Sopic, Roe. He was so good at certain situations. But he played in the system that he played without the ball. Yeah. He was in the same system, yeah.

Starting point is 02:07:54 In the same, what they played, they throwing that motherfucker at the elbow, the fucking Vladi and motherfucking C-Web. Split action. And they running splits and all that, and he could shoot it. So he had a quick release. He never brought the ball down. Yep, shot off the double. way up split action they run in splits and all that so he and he could shoot it so he and quick release he never bought the ball down shot off the table yeah no i think i think as long as you can as long as you can shoot the ball he can you can you can travel to any area yeah he can shoot it so all right well let's move on we're gonna talk a little football because we got kenyon here

Starting point is 02:08:19 our resident football expert but i want your gentleman's opinion as well. What are we? Oh. So we just talked NFL free agency. Free agency, yeah. Yeah, free agency underway. So Quan Barkley stunned Giants fans on Monday. When news broke, he agreed to a three-year deal worth up to $47 million, including $26 million guaranteed with their biggest rival. $46 point. The Philadelphia Eagles.

Starting point is 02:08:41 Yeah, I know. That's the funniest thing. His coffee check. Take that M off you gave this a brick Parker the numbers you picked by the Giants 2018 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year two-time Pro Bowler had 3,000 yard rushing outputs during the sixth season with the Giants so after the news broke former Giants running back Tiki barber offered his thoughts. And Saquon has already taken to Twitter himself

Starting point is 02:09:07 to say thank you to everyone who's shown me love and support over the past six years. Forever grateful. Excited for the next chapter. Blue heart emoji. Peace. Okay. Blue heart emoji. I'm looking at a pic. He's dead to us now. Yeah, say it. He's dead to us. Because he won't say it. You're dead to us, Saquon. Good luck. You're dead to me.

Starting point is 02:09:25 Taking it personal. So naturally, Barkley wasn't feeling Barber You're dead to us, St. Kwan. Good luck. You're dead to me. Taking it personal. So naturally, Barkley wasn't feeling Barber's comments, responded accordingly. Said, you've been a hater since I got to New York, and all the dead to me talk don't smile on my face when you see me. Like that he's already updated it to the Eagles. So the Eagles offered Barkley more guaranteed money than the Giants did last season when he was looking for a long-term deal. Do you guys have any issues with a player

Starting point is 02:09:46 different from a squad to go to their biggest rival? They could have paid him. So they had the most money to offer. It is what it is, man, at this point. There's no loyalty to him, so why should he be lower to them and like i said i had an opportunity to pay him so game is the game tiki wasn't being serious though tiki was just about money he's around he's like you know he said he said it in jest but yeah but he don't take it too serious he i don't think

Starting point is 02:10:22 shaq should have took that serious at all. Shaq? Shaquan. Shaquan Barkley. Yeah, Shaquan. No, you got to get him. What is his nickname? Saquads. Okay, David. Saquads. Nah, but yeah, him, he, you know, you know it's a part of the business. It's the NFL. You can be on any team anytime. You're in free agency. And it hasn't been good in New York. So it was about that time. So if y'all were in a similar situation in the league, you had to go to a rival you're not tripping. I mean, isn't that like going from the Lakers to the Clippers? Right? And then New

Starting point is 02:10:58 York is like New York Giants is the better team, right? Historically. No, if the Giants are going to the Jets, that would be like the Giants going to the Jets. Wait, where is he going? He's going to Philadelphia Eagles. So Eagles are division rivals. He's going to the Jets. It would be that way.

Starting point is 02:11:11 That was green. I thought that was Jets. No, it's the Eagles. Better team, though. Better team. Way better team. Okay. I don't care.

Starting point is 02:11:24 At all? Huh? At all, Gil? Shit Shit my new team made a move. What'd they end up doing? Ravens. Oh you got a new team? That's my new team. You made a new team finally. Hey boy I'm Rams. Rams? I'm Rams. Yeah they went out and got Derrick Henry. Yeah that's a good move. Gil are you gonna use your SeatGeek plug to get us some Rams tickets? I'm going to get me some Rams tickets. Oh, this is what we're doing. I don't know what team you like. What team you like?

Starting point is 02:11:50 I live in L.A. The Rams play in L.A. He likes free. I'm a Rams fan. If you're going to be a Rams fan like you are a Lakers fan, I don't know if I can sit next to you every day. Okay, yeah. Damn, right?

Starting point is 02:12:02 Because he's a LeBron fan. He's not a Lakers fan. Yeah, I heard. I heard. I heard. I heard. He got a whole bunch of Cavs. I heard all the time. Just to let you know, he got a whole bunch of Cavs.

Starting point is 02:12:10 He got more Cavs shit than he did Lakers. Yeah, you have seen nothing. He also got Miami shit, too. You have seen no Cavs or Miami merchandise in my house. I am not getting a big bag like you yet from Underdog Fantasy. Yeah, so I'm a Rams fan. I'm going to be at the Rams game depending on the ticket prices. Seat Geek, give us the plug. You're from under dog fantasy. So I'm a Rams fan. I'm be at the Rams game depending on the ticket prices see geek

Starting point is 02:12:32 Give us the plug make sure you use promo code Gil to get that seat key plug $20 off your first purchase I don't know who the players are, but hopefully don't matter in the free agency No, no, so let's talk about something you can appreciate Kirk Cousins may have just cemented his place as the greatest finesse or in NFL history 35 years old coming off a torn Achilles, secured another bag in the first day of free agency with the Falcons. So he got a $180 million deal, includes a $50 million signing bonus, $100 million guaranteed, fresh start at age 35. Wow.

Starting point is 02:13:02 Yeah. Yeah. So in honor of Kirk Cousins' legendary bag finessing, internet savant co-host of the to age 35. Wow. Yeah. So. So in honor of Kirk Cousins' legendary bag finessing, internet savant co-host of the Jenkins and Jones show, Dragonfly Jones

Starting point is 02:13:11 said it's time to put some respect on his name. He tweeted the following. Gotta start bringing up Kirk Cousins and more GOAT debates. Sure, okay, Brady has seven rings and played

Starting point is 02:13:19 at a high level for 20 years. But Kirk Cousins has made $330 million in guaranteed money while only winning one playoff game. Wow. How we really define the greatness here. Y'all know this is a conversation. I know this is a conversation that's going to get you

Starting point is 02:13:31 excited. Wow. Let's go get you excited. So let's just break it down. Brady, Tom Brady, obviously the GOAT, was in the league 23 seasons, seven Super Bowls, made $332 million in contracts in his 23 seasons. Kirk Cousls, made $332 million in contracts in his 23 seasons.

Starting point is 02:13:47 Kirk Cousins, fourth round pick out of Michigan State, career record of 76, 67, and 2, one and three in the playoffs, has made $330 million in guaranteed bread. And if he plays out this contract, $411 million total. I see you hitting the Sososu, Gil. contract, $411 million total. I see you hitting the Sososu, Gil. I'll ask you a question. Is Kirk Cousins better than Cam Newton? I don't believe that to be

Starting point is 02:14:16 true, but... All I heard was $411 million. $411 million. Who you say is better than me, I done made $400 something. Gil, I want to ask you, would you rather have Tom Brady or Kirk Cousins' NFL career? Wait, wait what? Would you rather have Tom Brady or Kirk Cousins' NFL? Tom Brady.

Starting point is 02:14:33 330 or 411? No, no, no, that's 330, then- The accolades? No, no, fuck them accolades. Notice that 330, didn't he get like a bag at the NFL shit too? Yes, he did. 400 something? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:14:44 I'm going to take that one too. That's 330 on the field on the feet on the field. Yeah on the field that we know of Yeah, and Sam rings. Yeah Just needed to know I didn't need the rings. They're just pick his career I just know every day and I got to do it as my five six seven hundred. We got the most bread For sure for sure But do you respect the hustle? $411 million. It should be 16 seasons.

Starting point is 02:15:09 One playoff. Yeah, man. Shit. Brady's winning. You know what I mean? Like a team sport. Got him. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:15:21 That's Kirk. Hey. Hey. It's 10. It's 8. I don't play defense. Hey, man. Football, hey. And football, listen, Jack.

Starting point is 02:15:30 Hey, I don't play defense. I can only throw this bitch if they getting open. I can't run for them if I hand this bitch off. I can't block and I don't tackle. Something don't feel right with that, man. Yeah, yeah, you got to contradict a little bit. It. Yeah, yeah. You got to contradict a little bit. It don't feel right. You got to contradict a little bit.

Starting point is 02:15:48 It's football. 3.30? I'm consistent, man. Kirk Cousins? Oh, no. I'm just talking about their sport. I'm not talking about me. This ain't shit to do with me.

Starting point is 02:15:55 Kirk Cousins, though? Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I would go with Cam in that argument. Cam, NFL MVP. Huh? Cam didn't even get a chance to get that type of break. I'm saying just a head-to-head of who's a better quarterback with career longevity. Damn, 330 guaranteed, and you play for the Vikings?

Starting point is 02:16:13 Commanders. Are you serious, bro? I'm going to ask you nobody, but if you really, like, the MVP year, Cam played absolutely great. Yeah. Right? Got to the Super Bowl and got fucking drugged. These things happen. These things happen.

Starting point is 02:16:33 But was his team actually a Super Bowl team? No. No. He just had a great year. He played great. But this heard me out, right? If you look at the position that Cam played, there's certain things that they expect in development with that position, right?

Starting point is 02:16:53 And throughout Cam's career, I don't think he developed, like, a touch in certain things. If you watch him play, like, he can be from me to you. No way. No way. I disagree. No way. Cam is a I disagree. No way. Cam is a prodigy, man. No, I'm not taking, but if you look

Starting point is 02:17:09 at it, the screen passes and certain things over time, right? If you look at him play, like, come on, you know, I'm watching Sunday. He didn't get to play with Christian McCaffrey like that when he was in. He did not. So the people that were still, still running backs that he played with

Starting point is 02:17:27 wasn't shabby, none of them years. Man. They had two nice, and Stewart, and what's the, yeah, so don't. That's when they got there, though. They got there with Stewart. He didn't have receivers? Over time. Steve Smith was his guy.

Starting point is 02:17:38 But after that, when it came down to him trying to figure out the coach was fucking with him, then he trying to figure out another team go to trying to keep his preserve his integrity as being a prodigy quarterback and knowing his ability and not being able to play up to that ability and trying to

Starting point is 02:17:56 you know he take the Mike Vick role where you got different coaches every you trying to figure it out now but his defense like he said he put him he put himself in difficult situations. Right. Right? Going to New England, coming back to Carolina,

Starting point is 02:18:11 different offensive coordinators, this, that, and the third, right? Yes. But I just look at certain things that I've seen. Being healthy, too. Being healthy. Yeah. So you ask, is he better than Kirk Cousins, right? That's not for us to judge, really, because we ain't play quarterback, right?

Starting point is 02:18:29 But if you look at just what people see in the game, that from what I could just hear, you know, I watch fucking the NFL network, just listen to them dudes that's played it, right? Cam growth wasn't what they thought just far as tradition as a traditional quarter they didn't ever like that he played should he didn't play tradition he didn't have to but Because of the injury factor that chooses that like they would expect you to Buy that a running set instead of running seven times buy let's run four, right? And let's rely on this. And he never did, right?

Starting point is 02:19:13 So people knocked him four. Yep. He didn't conform. When the game was telling you to, right? Because the injuries and certain things, the way the NFL was going, it was becoming a passing league. Where that running quarterback, Lamar wasn't here yet.

Starting point is 02:19:31 Cam just get that bitch, let's go. Right? He motherfucking goddamn Derrick Henry that's playing quarterback. The game and injury was telling him that he needed to be, not just your traditional drop back But like I said, if you run it at seven out of ten

Starting point is 02:19:48 Let's make that run for the TN instead and he didn't do that So they knocked him forward and that wasn't the formula for his abilities either because like he always used to read off of The reaction that I could run this right here and if they telling me not to run now I got a fully read the play Yeah, yes. Now I got a check down and so now they question in your IQ Yeah, now they quite because I'm not used to do now all of these things again is in the playbook Oh, you must not be a smart. You must not be this. So this is what people were saying. Yeah over time, right? so that's what is he better than Kirk? Probably not. I mean, is Kirk better than him? Probably not. But it's that Kirk done been in different systems.

Starting point is 02:20:27 Kirk did this, did that, and Kirk has adjusted to whatever that is. Better at getting breath. He's a better traditional quarterback than Cannon. So that's no different than what NBA players go through. The guys who have all the athleticism versus the guys who don't. The guys who don't, they're more fundamentally sound versus the guys who got all the boosts and a fast twitch so yeah uh basically we're saying fourth round pick versus the number one pick first the guy who's like well you got all the gifts and you need to get these little things yeah and we don't say these these little patty we know you can throw that

Starting point is 02:21:00 motherfucker 400 yards absolutely and run but we need these little outs. We need these little three Yeah, these are little nuances Okay They're looking at me and he would throw that motherfucker at your foot at your feet from me to you right and the people like Dad damn cam like that's touch right you watching the game right now He can't throw that but you ask him to do other things he fucking great at it Yeah, and then but did he have time to did he have he did learn it? He had to learn it, but you know just for it. You'd be like, all right

Starting point is 02:21:29 I'm used to running this this little pocket pass that y'all want me to throw. This is five yards for me I'm not throwing it three yards. He wants to run it. Yeah, I can get there He like I can get this little guy got this linebacker coming down get coming down the line and in your lunch Yeah, right. It's a defensive end on your right. So now you got now you're taking unnecessary hits. Yeah Yeah, right now you hurt and you're trying to play through engine I just making you look workers now you can't you got now you can't do the pocket Taking that shortcut. I'm just gonna get the five yards myself. Yeah. All right. Okay. Okay Well, let's keep this thing moving last segment of the day

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Starting point is 02:22:31 God bless certain states in this great country. So, first question from Underdog User. Free game. Said, in their prime, are you taking a front kick from Anderson Silva or an uppercut from Mike Tyson? Front kick. Front kick where? I don't give a fuck at that point. You heard him say Mikeercut from Mike Tyson front kick How was front cake where and I don't fuck at that point you said Mike he said Mike Tyson

Starting point is 02:22:55 He said Mike Tyson dog uppercut yeah To kick you kick huh? Kick me. However, wherever. Clean shot, free game. What do we do? Yeah. If I kick you, you probably ain't going to go out. Yeah. Mike uppercut you. There's a good chance he's going to knock some shit loose.

Starting point is 02:23:15 Dead. Tooth gone. Eyeball swelled. He ain't killed nobody yet. Because he got gloves on. Did you see? I think a gloved uppercut. A gloved uppercut. Yeah, he ain't killed nobody yet. Because they got gloves on. Did you see? I think a gloved uppercut. A gloved uppercut.

Starting point is 02:23:26 Yeah, he ain't killed nobody. Cool. He ain't put nobody in the hospital either. I don't see Anderson Silva goddamn taking a motherfucker's jawbone off. Now with a kick. Like a bare hand for Mike Tyson is probably death

Starting point is 02:23:37 for the average human being. I'm just being... Like a bare handed uppercut for Mike Tyson? Glove? What age? Yeah, I would take an uppercut over a hook. Prime? Yeah. I would take an uppercut for Mike Tyson love wait. I would take a look a uppercut over her prime Yeah, yeah, I would take a look at over if you would have said a hook for Mike Tyson It's like a different one. It's a different a different part

Starting point is 02:23:56 I'd rather go here than there you let him off. I can turn all of this shit. Yeah into that. I'm not having that what these Have you seen his uppercut? It's like I'm duking. It's like Ken and I'm duking. He's boom, boom. He's coming low, punching up.

Starting point is 02:24:12 Remember, he was little. He was two, though. So this right here, he's coming, hitting it. I just watched. He uppercutted a nigga like 17 times.

Starting point is 02:24:19 He never went down. Because they tall. He's uppercutting the shit out of these niggas. We tall. I'm good. Yeah, he might hit me right here. My teeth D's teeth gonna go into this and I might lose all I'm good I do get need this face of the dead you see fight. He ate that shit man. That was the O'Malley fight Yes, no need him and it sounded the sound of it me. Oh, yes

Starting point is 02:24:40 Yeah, the other day Saturday dog. He need him and they shoot that ship. He ate that Everybody was like this. Hold on. Let's slow it down and listen to it They showed it first and then put the sound on it. Yeah all five rounds. I bet that knockout I'm like, come on my name is in world star Didn't they might that wasn't for Mike Tyson little knockouts people's getting was That wasn't for my Tyson. That wasn't from Mike Tyson, I can tell you that. Yeah, if it's between them two, yeah, kick me. But Mike Tyson, yeah. I'm a no comment that I'm a...

Starting point is 02:25:15 You ever been kicked before? I don't allow it. I don't allow feet on me at all. I don't know how powerful somebody can kick up at my face, and I'm pretty sure it ain't as powerful as that uppercut So kick is like spit to me like you kick me is like you spitting on me. Don't make me you got to pick one Okay, you gotta get both Hold on they want me to show you something real quick you So this is an Anderson Silva, then he ain't seen Anderson Silva kick. No, we got it right here Hold on they want me to show you something real quick Gil.

Starting point is 02:25:45 So this is an Anderson Silva. He ain't seen the Anderson Silva kick. Nah we got it right here. Oh the front kick. Let me see that. Do that again. That wasn't no big deal. But the front kick just standing in front of you up.

Starting point is 02:25:56 Yeah nah. Oh that's the front kick right? Not the, not the. Nah. Man. Yeah I'm thinking of front kicks. Man. You know those little toes man.

Starting point is 02:26:04 You see those little toes. He's them toes he's looking at. He might fucking around and break man. You just got little toes. He's got them toes. He might fucking around and break those. Yeah, we got to just... That's not a good one. A windmill kick, a roundhouse kick. No, there's no... Roundhouse kick, I'm... No, there's some other front kick knockouts on that bitch. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:26:16 You're kicking your chest, too. You can kick your chest. Front kick or uppercut, though? Front kick knockout. Them feet, man. Them feet, them feet, bro. How hard is them feet? They usually break they feet.

Starting point is 02:26:28 No, Gil, you ain't watch UFC shit. They do. Hey, Gil. Yeah, go look up. I'm just saying, Tyson uppercut. It's as hard as they feet, Gil. Part of it, like they on the cage, right? They wrestling, they be stomping on each other toes. Trying to break their feet.

Starting point is 02:26:45 What if he hits you in your throat? You're dead. He done hit people in they throat. I'm just saying. They still alive. So, next question.

Starting point is 02:26:56 Underdog user, one four flat. What would the score be in a Gil versus Rashad three point contest from NBA distance, five racks, five balls,

Starting point is 02:27:04 no money balls, 25-point max. So basically 25 shots or 25-point total, five balls, five spots. Twelve. So you'd have 12? So you're going to go with your original. You ain't going to say 13? He said from NBA. From NBA. Twelve. Okay.

Starting point is 02:27:22 So you still at 12? Rashad, what do you feel like, what score would you put up? 22. So 22 to 12? Would you consider yourself the winner? Absolutely. Okay. I might go 24, depending on how I'm feeling. That's what I've been shooting the last week or so, out of 25.

Starting point is 02:27:41 Got another shootout coming out, don't we? We are working on it right now. Game preparation underway. Oh, we are we are working on it right now. So the game preparation underway. Oh Yeah, the next shootout We got a qualify now So we got a so there's gonna be like eight cities eight cities We're gonna go to eight different cities, or 16, and we're going to take three qualifiers from every city.

Starting point is 02:28:09 So LA, everybody shows up for LA, the top three from LA automatically advance. So Lexi, no, no, it's Jenna. Miracola. Miracola. And then the other dude. They automatically qualify. So LA, we all gotta qualify now... to go. The Raddick said some rappers want to get in, man.

Starting point is 02:28:31 This is them rappers, y'all rappers. My man A-Verb and Simba said he could shoot and Gilly and... Cam and them. What the fuck y'all niggas doing? Y'all say I can shoot? Famous moves from all these niggas? They gotta check their DMs. They got DMed. Gil, the chat wants to no, how come you're not doing it in 12 cities in honor of your agent 12

Starting point is 02:28:50 nickname Okay, 12 cities. No go back 16. We need a bigger pool 12 cities give people their bread and we oh and then we're gonna take everybody and then we're gonna have one Big shootout for a million a million American dollars. Yep American million dollars. Mm-hmm So is it not me against you no more? No, we're gonna do that Saturday or whatever We do the Gilbert shot shootout at this event as well. No, no, I just wanted we can just go we can just record Just me and him. I'm gonna just meet me at a gym so we could just shoot

Starting point is 02:29:20 Yeah, make me man. This is true as friends, but he don't let me like that's your honor No, you don't do I already know how you don't wanna you know, this is what he do. We need to build up Yeah, we know this Oh, and it was just like both when it was friendly he invite me back since it was just like bowling, right? If he's losing like yeah, this is warm up Is always once that's when I just got a brand new ball first game I got a brand new ball brand new game, I got a brand new ball. And he told me not to even do nothing until he got there.

Starting point is 02:29:48 He's like, no, don't you be, don't you be sure. First game, just warm up. But he wouldn't let me warm up in Vegas at all. You see? That's because you called me out. You see? You see? He called me out. You don't call me out and then say you want to warm up. He called me out in bowling. No. I said, let's bowl. He didn't think I was a bowler.

Starting point is 02:30:04 You had your own ball. He didn't know I was bowling like that. You have your own ball. You're a bow bowl. He didn't call you a bowler. I you had your own ball You get your know I was bold. You have your own ball your bowler He didn't know I was he didn't know I was rolling like that in that ball here to act out whoopies Oh, that's just try. Let's do it. Just do another one Whoop that ass too. Well, it was one one. Let's do another one. It was one one Here to go. He's doing it. He had to go. He had to do it. He had to go.

Starting point is 02:30:25 He didn't want to stay longer. We went to a third one. I purposely lost the third one. What do you mean? Ask him how we started. You heard it. I started. You heard it.

Starting point is 02:30:36 You heard it here first. You heard it. He won the first one. He lost the second one. Then he purposely. No, no, no, no, sir. I won both. I won the first.

Starting point is 02:30:43 I won the warm-up. Whooped your ass. I got my balls in the trunk. I got my balls in the trunk right now. The second one, I whooped your ass. The third one, I started off with a turkey and didn't close another one. Go upstairs and ask her what I said I'm going to do. We're going to be here all motherfucking day if you don't get the one.

Starting point is 02:31:00 Whose fault is that that you didn't close the one? We're going to be here. Ask her. We're going to be up here all day. What's she supposed to say? She's supposed to agree agree with me. I didn't I saw you sleep here. See that post I started off as a turk. I sleep here. This is okay. I Started up think about my agree with you is that but you come on Hundred started off all day in a row and then I didn't close not one thing again.

Starting point is 02:31:26 He don't even remember the damn game. What did I start off with? This is a new ball. This is a new ball. I need to go back to my old ball. You're so dramatic. We're going to be here all day. If he don't win, he ain't going to stop.

Starting point is 02:31:43 I started off with a turkey. Because I know one-on-one, two, he wasn't going to be here all day because if he don't win, he ain't going to stop. Gil, you lost on purpose? I started off with a turkey. He came in. Because I know once I won, too, he wasn't going to talk about it again. He came in. And he didn't come and say shit about that bowling game. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. The first thing we talked about.

Starting point is 02:31:52 No, we didn't. No, we didn't. I said, we went bowling. No, we didn't. I will bring it up. We didn't talk about it. We will bring it. Yes, we did.

Starting point is 02:31:57 This is the first time y'all hearing about bowling. No. This was last year. This is right after the West. Brandon Jennings said here, he said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me.

Starting point is 02:32:04 He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat me. He said, man, I don't know if you can beat here, he said, man, I don't know if you can beat McKay. He can really, because we went bowling twice, me and BJ. He said, I don't know if you can, hey, he can really bowl. I don't know if you can beat me.

Starting point is 02:32:09 And then you said, hey, let's go bowling. Let's go bowling. I'm like, bet. Let's go. I'm going to get, I need a new ball. I can tell you. You the one that told me to go get the new ball. You told me where to get it.

Starting point is 02:32:18 I can tell you when he went bowling. He was so geek to try to beat me that Brandon Jennings had an event. He missed the event to try to beat me that Brennan Jennings had an event He missed the event to try to come bowl me We can go right now 200, I'm whooping his ass $200? Can't fuck with me on bowling, no, that ain't his thing Them muscles don't mean nothing

Starting point is 02:32:38 He can't beat me in nothing He's like, man, you consistent with throwing the thing He can't beat me in nothing I got a new ball, it ain't new no more Wanna go bowl right now? It ain't new no more I ain't bow a new ball. It ain't new no more. You want to go bowl right now? It ain't new no more. I ain't bowled since I played you. It ain't new no more.

Starting point is 02:32:49 Do you want to go bowl? It ain't new no more. Okay, bet. All right. We're going to go bowl right after this. I'm going to max that ass out. When y'all finish y'all argument, I got to pick my kids up from school, guys. It ain't new no more.

Starting point is 02:33:01 I'm like deuce. Y'all let me know how you're doing. We'll just wrap it. We'll wrap it. We'll wrap it. Kanye got to pick his kids up from school. You know it. Kanye speaks.

Starting point is 02:33:09 We listen. Oh, no. Y'all can keep going. I'm just like, yeah. They can finish. No, you know. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids.

Starting point is 02:33:17 I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids.

Starting point is 02:33:18 I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. I got to fight the kids. This is new ball me and my hands and sweaty man. I ain't get to eat man. I'm Instagram is called a 1 8 Queen Queen pin a queen pin a 1 8 regulation. Is that how Gil talks? I can go to it. I can go. I got an Instagram. It's called 818 Queenpin or Queenpin818. That's your Instagram, Gil? Bowling League.

Starting point is 02:33:52 Okay. Okay. Niggas in the league. So we were going to do a Gil's Arena decathlon at some point. We'll just pick 10 events and let y'all go head to head.

Starting point is 02:34:00 Can't beat me in nothing. We will find out. We will find out. But this has been another episode of Gilills Reader presented by Underdog Fantasy. We will see y'all tomorrow.

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