Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Talks Ant-Man vs Shai & Doc's DISASTROUS Debut

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

Gil's Arena Talks Anthony Edwards vs Shai Gilgeous Alexander as they react to last nights battle between the Oklahoma City Thunder and Minnesota Timberwolves and discuss if a new rivalry is budding between 2 of the NBA's most exciting young stars. They also discuss Doc River's DISASTROUS Debut for the Milwaukee Bucks as his new team blew his first game to the Denver Nuggets before breaking down another terrible loss for LeBron James and The Los Angeles Lakers as they got shellacked by the Houston Rockets. HELP US REACH 500k SUBSCRIBERS BY SUBSCRIBING TODAY!! Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 CHAPTERS: INTRO 0:00:00 Show Start 0:05:31 Kanye Calls The Paparazzi on Himself 0:07:40 Wemby's Sacred Schedule 0:12:02 What The Rookie Wall Feels Like 0:19:08 Swaggy P On Life After Basketball 0:23:49 Shai & Anthony Edwards New Rivalry 0:36:37 Who Would You Rather Start A Team With - Ant Man or Shai 0:45:27 Ant Man Fires Back At The Refs 0:58:47 Reacting to Max Struss AWFUL Technical 1:05:36 Ime Udoka Is Changing the Culture in Houston 1:11:20 Are the Knicks For Real or Fugazi??? 1:31:25 What Is A Superstar? 1:41:44 Docs DISASTROUS Debut 2:00:57 MostlyFans 2:16:38 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We talking about flashing lights, baby. Flashing lights everywhere. They just been saying shit about me. They didn't even fucking know me. This is my school. This is what I was doing when I wasn't nobody's little. Y'all don't know what goes on in practice.

Or the locker room. Age is zero. Change again. Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoa, whoa! Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Woof, woof! Damn, I got dizzy doing that woof, woof. Let's go! Hold on, let me recalibrate.

We back here, Gil, okay. Styling as usual. The last one. Yep. Got one last fit. One last fit. You about to go to the mall with Trekkie? Yep, about to go to the mall. Gotacker? Yep, about to go to the mall.

Got to re-up? Got to re-up. Got to hit the weave wall, man, is that what they call them? The weave, man. I'll call them weave men. I'll call them, what do you call them at the mall? Yeah, they probably sent that for Valentine's Day or something. Adidas?

No, yeah, I got this on Valentine's Day. Yeah, Valentine's. Last year. That's a nice fit. It's long enough. It's a little last year. You can bring it back up. No, yeah, I got this on Valentine's Day. Yeah, Valentine's. Last year. That's a nice fit. It's long enough. It's a little last year. You can bring it back up.

No, it's nice. This is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. We also got Rashad McCants in the building. Rashad, are you here on your own free will? You asking me those stupid ass questions, man. Let me take my phone. Kanye, Kanye. You know what I'm saying? Kanye, Kanye, Kanye, Kumbaya. God damn it. We asked me a stupid-ass questions man Yeah, yeah

Yeah, come on. Yay Kanye Kumbaya. God damn it. And we got Kenya Martin back here with us. What's going on Kmart? They thought I was gone Poor say your demise were premature What's that? Well, yeah, I know y'all saw that Kanye clip. What y'all think about that whole situation? I'm a grown-ass man. With the mask on? I'm a grown-ass man. I'm here to support Charlie Wilson.

You ask me stupid-ass questions. You want to work with me or not? What's it like for y'all when y'all just, I mean, walking around, do y'all ever get bothered to that magnitude? Does it ever become too much, like, when you're just trying to mind your business, do what you're doing?

Nah, because we don't call paparazzi and tell them where we are so we can do that. We don't do that. I mean, Kanye, well, we're going to be over here, so you just stand there by yourself, you know. Don't be telling the truth. You feel me? Hey, give me your phone.

Don't be telling all the jewels, man. You're supposed to be telling the secrets. They're still falling for that shit, man. Come on, man. They call it on themselves. They have no idea that's what we do. Who the fuck just sits at a random just place waiting for Kanye West? No, they don't just be waiting.

Like, when I was staying in Calabasas, they used to hang out in the commons. Yeah, the commons, yeah. At the goddamn Starbucks, man. Just waiting. Like, the paparazzi. Like, dude, they just hang out up there, dog. That's why I'm like, dude, come on, man. Like, we're not going to talk to you every time I see you, bro.

Like, every time I'm here, you got man. We're not gonna not gonna talk to you every time I see you, bro Like every time I'm here you got a question like dude Well, hey what time you gonna be the same dude at the airport I don't know where to beat up with your American Airlines. Some people call Some people are posted like do they ever repost in front of spirit waiting for something to go? No like something like Like the comments right there hang out in the comments because that's where all the celebrities go eat food and all that stuff But you you never see him shopping. So obviously, you know Obviously, right so for the most part when they're going places and they want to get themselves seen They call like and they get mad that they called?

Like if you date a celebrity girl, right, and she's trying to get poppin', she'll call a paparazzi and say, yeah, we're going to be at dinner. Mm-hmm. That's how Chloe got me. You got a guy like that? Hell yeah. And they popped out of the bushes on my ass like they was in Call of Duty or some shit, just like this.

Gotcha, bitch. Another spirit today the day, Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog Fantasy. Here's what we got cracking in the arena today. Doc Rivers, some may call him Glenn, but I call him Doc, made his debut with the Bucks Monday night, and it ended with a loss to the Nuggets.

Are the deer still feared? And an SGA got a rivalry brewing, but which one of them has the higher ceiling? And the Knicks, Gil, your favorite team, the New York Knickerbockers, 13-2, fourth in the East since the OG Ananobi trade, but are they for real or fugazi?

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I recall in December there was some talk about some bread being distributed to the masses to celebrate that momentous achievement milestone in the history

of Gil's Arena. Is that bread still on the table? $195ous achievement, milestone in the history of Gil's arena. Where we at? Is that bread still on the table? 195? Yeah, 10 grand, right? Oh, 10? Yeah. It was 20, but they were lazy, right?

They were supposed to be lazy. Yeah, they were supposed to be lazy. Because he said at the top of the year, it was at the top of the year. I would have doubled and made it 20 if they got into December. So you cost yourself bread by not telling your friends, cousins, uncles, side booze work to like and subscribe on the show. But once we get to 500K, Gil will be giving away some bread just Gil will get the of them on the cash I figured out won't y'all just tell them a secret

though create a fake-ass account like y'all do on every other fucking platform and just start resubscribing but then with those counts pull up the show and just let it run y'all stop playing. The bot system. There's a funny story back in the day. There was an animated series that people know and love, but the creator was like, he made everybody just fucking go watch the shows on all their computers.

Like, we got to run these numbers up. For real. Get this algorithm going. Everybody just keep your computer on. Keep your shit on and keep it going on all our clips so we can run these numbers Up you got to go to work. Just keep your phone on just let it run in your pocket Yeah, turn the volume down his goal was gonna make enough money to retire like let's make it a place I don't have to do this shit anymore. We're gonna work

Did not I mean if they'll work like a turn for the worse But nonetheless, well, no, hey don't do what he just said because obviously the person who taught him that failed You tried, though. You tried. You tried. All right, let's get into this thing. So Victor Wimby Yama may only be 20 years old, but he's already embracing the work-life balance. According to reports, Spurs staff have been instructed to not contact Wimby after 9.30 p.m. I don't know if that's local time everywhere he goes or if that's San Antonio time, but wherever we're at, 9.30 p.m.

And after doing some nightly reading, Wimby tries to be in bed by 10.30 in order to get sufficient rest for his long rookie season. So, Gil Starcher, what was your schedule as a rookie and how long did it take you to adjust to life in the NBA? Huh? My schedule. My schedule was anytime they told my black hairs to show up in that gym to train, that was my schedule. Were you getting sufficient sleep? Were you being young though, staying out all hours of the night? Did you lock in?

I was 19, so there was nowhere to go. There was nowhere to go. The fuck I'm going to go? I couldn't go to the club. My teammates wouldn't let me. And I was broke! Shit. So there wasn't places where to go. Where the fuck I'm going to go? I couldn't go to the club. My teammates wouldn't let me. And I was broke. Shit. But it was in places to actually go with no money.

No fake ID. No money. Right? $20 to get in the club. That broke me. All right. So no money, bro. That used to be hurtful back in those days.

So I slept in the gym. That's where I was. The gym. It used to be $20 to get in the club. Then they started getting greedy, charging $40. And it was like, man, I couldn't in the gym. That's where I was. The gym. It used to be 20 getting to the club. Then they started getting greedy, charging 40. And it was like. Yeah, I couldn't pay the dud. I'll hang out outside, pull up by 1.45 a.m.

And wait for everybody to come to me. I'm in the gym, brother. That's my. Rashad, what was your schedule like as a rookie? Y'all know I had a different type of work schedule. I had a different type of point to prove. I had a different. I wanted the city to know me.

In case I wasn't playing, I was still playing. Okay. You know what I'm saying? The nightlife was different. Made sure I got my work in during the day, you know, because they had the rookies on a certain schedule. Got to come in early, get all your work in before practice, stay after. And I believed in, you know, get there early before everybody else

and leave, be the last one out, right? Okay, but that's what you got your work in early but nightlife with nightlife. It was work time. Okay, I'm saying make sure we set up shop and Yeah, it was different. Can you how about yourself? I was coming in number one draft pick In Jersey, but no so close to New York. Oh, yeah, I live close to the city. Yeah Or you know in the nightlife. Oh, yeah, I was older. No, I came in I was 22 Okay, I got drafted at 22 so I had no restrictions Hit the ground running Fred Flintstone

Running I was running, nigga. I was in the city, boy. Yeah, we weren't that good, but yeah, it was... Do you remember your first time here in New York, what that experience was like? It was after I got drafted. And that was in June, so it was... Oh, so it was already... Yeah, right after I got drafted, I went to the I'm saying I let's see if the PJ out there and

For the press carms and all that Yeah, so I had a oh, this is wonderful What So at what point in your career did you start locking in and start Understanding the importance of value sleep. This seems like when B's ahead of the curve if he's really going to bed at 10.30. I just never been able to go to bed that early. Like I took naps consistently, like every day. Like Gil still takes his to this day.

I took naps like every day during my career. Like at the same time, whether it was my pregame nap or non-game days, I had the same routine. I took a nap every day. So I just wasn't in the... Like, to this day, if I go to bed at a certain time, I'm going to be up in the middle of the night.

That's just what it is. Like, it's just... Say I'm going to go to bed at 10 o'clock, I'm going to be up at 3.30. Like, whoo, that was enough sleep for the night. But yeah, no, during my career like sleeping I didn't She took me a few years and made let's start I ain't really breakfast my rookie year

So yeah, I was getting up just going to practice My dumbass driving home one day and got the sweating and light-headed Ain't nothing hey blood on zero at the negative that they'd be about to crash. Like, yo. So yeah, shit like that, man. It wasn't as, they wasn't taking care of us the way they take care of them.

They coddling their ass now. I mean, did you have that soul that, like, young fella, this is how you need to approach it, this is what you need to be doing? No, it was a learning. You got to learn on your own or just figure it out I mean they give you bits and pieces but it wasn't until you became a detriment to yourself that they would try to step in and be like hey hey hey hey now you now you're doing a little bit too much but I mean for the most

part you're gonna hit the rookie wall and that's what I think he trying to avoid yeah it's hitting that rookie wall getting his rest enough time where he can get up and Do whatever he need to do throughout the day and if you are getting your naps, I mean it is important Not as important it is when you damn near 40 now. Yeah, you know I'm saying I'm down Not be my naps love my even 30 minutes and get you over to home. Yeah, don't bother me at all I'm not change the shape of the day But you guys talk about that rookie war. So his games are what, 5.30?

Hmm? They play at 5.30? Who, the Spurs tonight? No, period. No, 7. 7 o'clock game. 5.30 here. Yeah.

5.30 here, 7. 7. Right? 7. How long is the game? About two and a half, three hours? Yeah. So that puts him at 10 o'clock before he leave the gym.

He want to be in bed at... Shut the fuck up. There's one thing I know about you. Whatever I say, I saw you turning away on the phone. Where he from? Doing the math. Where he from? Paris.

Okay. Fresh part of California. He not from Compton. So he sleep. So they not talking to him during the game. Don't call me. Don't call me during the game don't call me don't don't call me during the game because it's 9 30 coaches 9 31 stop coaching they just say anything man just say like on off days when they ain't no game i think off days is okay be clear just be clear if he

playing till 10 o'clock just be clear then he's gonna need to shower he's gonna need to shower listen he damn sure ain't getting into motherfucking 1130 12 o'clock 1232 climbing two o'clock in the morning someplace depends on where you flying from into So y'all got a back-to-back you leave after the game that plane ain't taking off before 1030 11 o'clock So they can't talk to Call me after 9.30. Okay, cool, man. Other than that,

your asses, come on. Yeah. You with us. We see you every day around this time. Getting ready to sub them. Can't talk to them right now. Don't say shit to me.

And sign a good one. I have to think about it. 9.30, that sounds cool. Then it's like, wait, hold on, man. I'm sure off day, but you guys talk about that sounds cool. Then it's like, wait, hold on, man. I'm sure off day, but you guys talk about that rookie wall. What's the hardest part about hitting that wall, and how did you eventually get over it?

Or was there a wall every season in your career that just you figured out how to work through? Yeah, I didn't get popping to after whatever wall. I was like Mexico, baby. Y'all put the wall up. I was digging under it. See, I was coming under the wall. I was like Mexico, baby. Y'all put the wall up. I was digging under it. I was coming under the wall. I wasn't playing. It wasn't paying attention to me, god damn it.

By the time I got under the wall, time to play. Time to play. Last 30-something games. For sure. That's it. You're still a college student. That didn't affect me. You were playing. Yeah, so that didn't affect me. Ken, you were playing. Yeah, yeah.

People would think this sound, but I came in, I was physically ready to play though. I was mentally and physically ready for the NBA. I don't remember at some point getting tired or like, oh, I don't feel like playing tonight or or my legs was done like now I was Then I got hurt like people don't like Don't know this or didn't or didn't know this or forgot. I

Got hurt again my rookie year like I broke my leg my rookie year. Yeah Like I broke my fibula again against Boston so I like that was part of the reason I didn't get a rookie of the year. Mike Miller played well, don't get me wrong, but I think it would have been a lot closer than had I finished the season. I got hurt in March. I got hurt. Oh, right at the end of the season. Yeah, I got hurt, so I didn't get to finish the season.

That was the second time, right? Yeah, same bone, different spot. But the injury in college, that was my ankle. So I tore the ligaments in my ankle. So people here at college are like, oh, he broke his leg, he broke his leg, he broke his leg. Like, yeah, but that wasn't what did it. I tore the ligaments in my ankle.

So they had to put a screw in my ankle So that was what but anybody I broke into my leg in my rookie year So I don't know if that contributed to it like me me playing all them games and the way and tear probably was the wall My leg was like Here's the wall You go push through them Yeah. Here's the wall, nigga. Here's the wall right here, nigga. Because if it's up to me. You're going to push through that moment. Yeah, like it don't exist. Like I said, them shots of Patron.

Yeah, yeah. That's a Patron added with the runner. Yeah, god damn it, slow down. So yeah, so I guess that, yeah, now I'm not thinking about it like in that sense, but no, I was just playing, bro. I was just hooping. I was getting minutes. So like I said, we won 26 games my rookie year. So it wasn't like we were okay. So it's competing for nothing I know y'all's gonna be on vacation. Yeah, I'm

How was that wall like for you man? It was uh, it was more mental I think that a lot of the guys that go through hitting a rookie wall. It's a more mental thing. Being overwhelmed with the terminology, the coverages, not playing, seeing guys you're better than playing, seeing your peers playing on other teams, playing more minutes than you are, and trying to figure out how to really combat all of these emotions and your preparation. I had to change preparation a few times because I was doing what Ticket was doing. And I came in thinking that if I do what he do, I'm on my way the same way he on his way.

Because he's showing me like, oh, doing this, doing that. I'm like, yeah, this seems fine, but I feel like I'm not doing enough. And then once the rookie wall kind of hit me, it was like, I think with all of us, like mid-season, kind of three quarters through the way, where you get this preparation, you start to get into this rhythm, and then you don't play. You don't play. And then you just kind of give up. And I think that's more so about what the rookie wild is. Not giving up, not giving in. Staying disciplined to the path. And once you get through the rookie wild, that's when I started to see minutes. That's when I started to see things change.

We made a trade for Wally Zerbiak, for Ricky Davis, and Marcus Banks. And that's when I started to get minutes. And if I hadn't prepared for that, I wouldn't have been able to start. I was averaging like 12 points a quarter. I was just only playing the second quarters. So I was prepared to come in and give my piece based on the fact that I had just hit the rookie wall and I was ready to give up okay and you know Dwayne Casey was the coach so you never knew what was gonna happen with that so for all the players out there the rookie wall it's

real it's definitely real and you need to be preparing for that shit cuz once you hit it you ain't gonna know to know you're hitting it. Like K said, he didn't think he hit it. But that injury can say otherwise. So now let's talk a little bit about life after basketball. Friend of the program Nick Young dropped a video recently offering his thoughts. Life after the NBA is cold, my nigga. You got to refine yourself.

If anybody say this shit is's fun this shit ain't fun nah look at niggas now look at everybody now look what niggas look like after the nba niggas get fat and lose their mind look look at that look at gil look at this whole cast got a nigga with a crown on a rusty crown on niggas just trying to catch a wave if y'all want me to come to y'all and speak at y'all conferences and shit i tell y'all enjoy that shit enjoy the hoes the clothes all that i can say i live baby i done lived i lived a thousand years but i'm telling you when it's over it's over you have to become a a regular citizen again you at home you can't do the shit you used to do. You cheat now, it's over. Ain't no coming back.

Don't cheat now because you're going to lose it because you're going to bring in the same amount you used to bring in. You know? You cheat now, it's over. Don't cheat now. I learned not to cheat.

I'm a good man now. I think the gist Nick was saying is don't cheat. Shout out to Nick. I think he was at Target. Sock section, bedding section, hard to tell, but it looks like the local Target from the ceiling view. You know what the irony of this is?

Because you know I retired before him. He went to Lakers and shit. He used to call me a bacon cake ass dude. Talking about, you over there baking cakes. You a family man. Laughing. Oh, Nick, you look miserable all night number. Oh, no, that shit gonna hit you you gonna hit you too, right? He played for the Lakers. So now he you doing everything he wanted to do, you know, he got your eggy. Yeah. Yeah, he having fun Uh-huh. Look at his ass now. Yeah, uh-huh. He's the corner man. You got the corners over here.

You got the liquor store dudes over here. Ooh, that shit hurt. That shit hurt now, don't it, boy? Uh-huh. Keep going on your iPhone. Mm-mm. Mm-mm-mm. Got your corner, yeah. Shout out to my corner dude Shots fucking fired, huh?

Damn Joe he was including you on the couch cuz you don't hit this mother. I'm with us You should be a fucking way retired after college That's all the vision talking about the crown and all that everybody want to take shots man. God he Yeah, man, how you't targeting. He was just on the couch, too. Yeah, man. That's how you feel now. You walking him into the arena. Corner boys. See how the corner boys do? They'll stick you up the stick-up kids. They literally stick-up kids.

He's ready to, give me your money. Give me all your money. It ain't the old days anymore. But, Daniel, I'll start with you. What's the hardest part about going from being an NBA player to a regular citizen? It's the time you have. Trying to fill that void. Some people have things going on where they can.

Family, businesses, et cetera. Some people don't. Some people find comfort in eating and you can tell. You can tell. Food is delicious. Oh, it definitely is, but we got to push away from the table. No. You got to eat to your food, not till it's gone.

Mm. Mm-hmm. Here's the distinction. I'm still struggling with it. Don't waste. Don't waste. Don't waste. Don't you waste my food. Yeah, nah, man.

But it just depends on who you are, man. For me, it was me putting time into my family. I retired. I left Dallas. Moved out here to LA. My oldest kids was here. So, for me it was that. It was me coming here and being around them because I hadn't been there.

Because for 15 years I was occupied with my craft and trying to get better and injuries and surgery and recoveries and a few other things, but that was what it was for me. But you're trying to find that. But it's rough, though. You wake up and you're used to having that routine, and it all changes. So now you've got to find a different routine. That's why a lot of guys might get into coaching or getting into the broadcasting side just to still feel a part of you don't get into something there's negative or

positive you're gonna get into something if you don't find something to occupy your time so whether it's that whether it's what we're doing here whether it's coaching whether it's some guys going to it thinking they want to be a coach afterwards or some guys figured out why they doing what it thinking they want to be a coach afterwards, or some guys figure it out while they're doing it, like what they want to do after, and they do that. Well, yeah, if a lot of guys, they don't figure it out, then not everybody get that farewell tour to be able to plan for it. And most guys' careers end abruptly. So you think it's going to be the next year, and that next year don't come.

And then the next year don't come and then the next year don't come then and then you So So shot, what's the hardest part? By going from being an NBA player to a regular citizen Jim Jim pop as we call it man didn't last long for me I'm saying I'm broke all my life. So transition was very short-lived and As far as being a civilian I ain't never really ever been that I never think I'm gonna be that the light shines on me very brightly so regardless of material things I move in a certain manner where people are always gonna know when I

walk in the room I ain't no normal nigga so you know I'll take pride in that. So regardless of if it's the crown or an outfit or whatever it is, I'm going to stand out. And when you do find yourself not being able to be in an association no more, you've got to associate yourself with something else. And I've always surrounded myself with other things and kept myself busy. I just finished my fourth book. So things like that has always been able to captivate me and keep me busy. So, you know, what Nick's saying, it makes sense for guys that don't got no real ambition. You know, you want to sit around and wait for things to happen for you just because you're a part of something.

But for me, I'm a make it happen type of motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? I'm a stand-on business. So, you know, regardless if it's basketball, football, baseball gonna stand on business so you know regardless of his basketball football baseball bowling whatever you know entertainment tech whatever I try to keep my foot right in that door so I don't really know nothing about it I try to stay separate from from the civilian life and just being able to exist and ain't nothing wrong with it but it's just I'm a creative and I like to be creative so I'm um, I'm always going to stand on that.

For sure. And Gil, how about for yourself? What was the question? Going from an NBA player, going from being Hibachi, Agent Zero to Gilbert. Oh, just me personally or just general? Personally, general. A little bit of everything. I mean, to be honest, it's difficult. I mean, you know, you've been pampered since you were skilled, right? AAU, college, right?

High school. Like, you've been put on a pedestal, right? So, you know, most of the time when motherfuckers get to the NBA they've never even done land laundry before when they got the college somebody's doing a homework somebody was doing a laundry and then you get to the NBA you on your own right for the first time so when you get to the NBA most of these people are on for for they're on their own for the first time trying to

figure out how to be an adult with all the money in the world. Right? So you fly in private, you're doing all this stuff. Now when you're done, it's no different than somebody who's been in jail for 10, 15 years or in the Army. Right? You didn't have a, most players didn't have plan B's. Right? You know, we're Superman. Right? So when we're done, one, we didn't know we were going to be done, right?

So we're sitting around trying to work out, and then it becomes a depression. It becomes a depression because everything we know left, right? The money doesn't matter at that point, right? Because the only thing that money does is get us in trouble. So most guys, most guys' habits, those bad habits, drugs and gambling, that happens usually when they're done because they're trying to fill the void of practice and games, right? So, you know, the first couple of years, the first year,

the first year you don't notice it because, you know, the first couple, the first year is, the first year you don't notice it because, you know, you still is like, oh, I'm just vacation, season end, I'm on vacation. Season come around, I'm still working out, still getting ready, waiting for the call. When reality kicks in that you don't, you ain't going back no more. Now it's like, all right, who are you? Right. I was a basketball motherfucker playing. Now, who are you? Who are you? Bitch, I was a basketball motherfucker player. Now, who are you? Who are you?

Bitch, I don't know. I've been a basketball player since I was 10. Since I was 10. Like, I'm 10 years old. So 10 to 35, but 20-something years of being a basketball player. Rules, structure, this, this. Now you're saying, all right, have fun. Whose kids are these?

All of them? They all mine? You sure? Mine? He look like mine, but I don't know. Okay, they all? Okay, all right. All of them.

How do you? Damn. When I have you? 2000. Okay. You start trying to figure out how to, now you're trying to figure out how to be a dad Yeah, you use a dad in the NBA, but I mean What does that really look like you're playing games at night there sleep you get home you traveling you're gone 14 days You come back you to do that's interrupting their lives, right? We're gonna my bed 2 a.m. And what hey, hey, I'm daddy home

Hey, daddy Daddy Hey, hey, daddy home. Hey, daddy. Daddy home. Hey, daddy. Go back to sleep. Right? So, you know, being a father for the first time is what happens when we're done. But for our competitiveness, that's what gets triggered. That's where the depression comes in. That's where the loneliness comes in.

Because we don't have the locker room to talk shit no more. We don't have the practice to really go rah, rah. You know what I mean? Where's our aggression going to happen? Right? Now we're talking to a girl who now looking at us like, we ain't shit no more. She ain't got no gains today. Watch these kids.

Who do you think you're talking to? You better look at my resume. Boy, that resume is old now. You know what I mean? So, you know, most of our problems come when we're done because, you know, we have to try to reinvent ourselves from the person we was since we was little.

That's real shit. Sometimes you create a show, find somebody to talk to. Yeah, that's it. Find somebody to talk to. Hey, you want to talk? Hey, I want to talk. Don't talk through the work. Don't do that. Sometimes you find a couch full Find somebody to talk to. Hey, you want to talk? Hey, I want to talk. Don't talk to the work. Don't do that. Sometimes you find a couch full of people to talk to

when you start a show called Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. You see why? 11.30. 11.30 on the dot. Practice time. Almost 11.30 on the dot. Practice time, but I'm saying this is practice time. Most of the time we find that safe haven with each other, though. We share a lot.

Everybody that hoop share a lot of the common themes in life. So when we all go through the same shit, I think that's what these podcasts are starting to become. A way for us to share those stories of what things that happen, you know, kind of recollect on the things that we made mistakes on. Try to really come to terms with ourselves and understand, like, we can't blame nobody for where we're at. Like, we all got to this position, whether we wanted it to happen or not, whether it's injury or just mishaps, whatever. Once we accept all those things and understand depression, depression is a part of progression.

You got to go through the depression. You got to go through the pain. You got to go through accountability to overcome it all, to be able to say, all right, this is where I'm at now. Who am I? You want to be, and that's where you go with it. That's real. We talked about life after basketball. Let's talk about a little bit of life in basketball.

Budding rivalry brewing between Ant-Man and SGA. That might be just what the league needs. In their last meeting on January 20th, SGA dropped 30, 12 for 13 from the foul line. After that game, Ant said the Thunder were hard to beat with the whistle that Shea gets. Eshae responded to Ant basically calling him a foul merchant with one of his now standard IG posts. They talking about me for my post game,

not my post game. That's a bar. Bar. for my post game. Not my post game. That's a bar. Bar. Not my post game. I wonder if he's writing those captions. He got a team. He got Ghostwriter. Jay-Z line.

I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman. So he biting? I'm not saying biting. He re-tooling. He re-tooling. A legally safe version. Okay.

So Pat Bev has played with both N and SGA and had this to say about both players embracing their head-to-head battles. I think the NBA's in really, really good hands. I'm going to say that first. I wouldn't call it beef. Competition. I like it. Go at each other.

Guard each other. Shoot step backs on each other. Yank each other. Right and left each other. Yeah backs on each other yank each other right left each other yeah lay each other dunk each other i love that shit both know i love y'all to death i want to see it all i want to see y'all go crazy at each other every time y'all see each other smoke not from no other reason but just pure basketball keep pushing the needle y'all boys cold but when y'all see each other let let it be smoke. Let it be pure basketball fun. Give each other 40, 50 a piece. Hug

and can't wait to see you next time. And shout out to Pat Bedrock and the Steph Curry tough crowd collab. Courtesy of our very own Brandon Jennings. Well, the pair heeded their OG's advice for the final regular season meeting of the season on Monday in OKC

with sole possession of the top spot in the West on the line. So we talked a lot about players lacking pride on defense just want to start showing this play right here SGA trying to put the clamps on it can you see him playing defense at that level does it make you proud? The effort, huh? The effort he did. Go out and do it, and you'll kill him. Try your best not to let him catch it. But SJ was also frying the wolves on the offensive side as well. 37 points, seven rebounds, eight assists. Ant-Man was doing some cooking of his own.

Came through a 27. Four and four. Big buckets. Not getting whistles. if you notice in these clips, because this is the theme developing, which we'll get into in a second. On the way, next up to the second half. These dudes are going at it. And late in the game, and came through. And Anthony Edwards.

Put that down a pucker. Didn't get a foul there either. Very distraught. The Wolves got the win. Even the season series 2-2 moved into first place in the West. Fuck that. I know if I ran around trying to get the ball and you just didn't hand that motherfucker off, you'd get pissed out.

A couple times he could have just handed that bitch off, too. I'm over here running around trying to get open and I got two feet in front of him and you don't just give me the ball and get out. Making him look good. I know what you're doing. You just want to go ISO, god damn it. You just want to go ISO, god damn it. You get the fuck out out making it look good. Yeah, I know what you're doing. You just want to go I so got That's called me let him put his arm through that motherfucker I don't care

Attempt let me touch it. Let me fumble it be sitting there do how I hate that Fake you keep all my god. So it was a good defense so much Call after town won't get that. He won't get his offense. I get it. Oh, I used to hate the fake offense. Clearly. Oh, my God. That's called a play action.

That's called a play action. That's called a play action. Hey, hey, hey, can you run off real hard and he's faking to turn the corner, go dunk? Oh, dig. Peyton Manning all day. Oh, shit. Don't fake me, guys. We call it Blue 52.

Blue 52. That's that big man shit right there, boy. Blue 52. You take off, finally got open, and then you do one of these, and then pull it back. You just try to sit and scream. And run past us. Yeah, you getting all the shot shit.

Let's watch this one. Watch this one. You done did it? You done did it? Gotcha you. You done did it? What? What? Gotcha. Uh-huh.

My man, I feel my man slip just a little bit. Uh-uh. Turn the corner. Turn the corner. And I handed it off the last time, and he jumped out there. Watch this. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Gotcha. Mm-hmm. What you mean? What you mean? What you mean? What you mean? What you mean?

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Melo used to get in double team. Uh-huh. Melo used to fake the pass, bruh. Fake the double team pass? Yeah. And them niggas wouldn't move. I'd be like, dude, they still on you. They over here.

They still on you. They not going nowhere. They still see the ball. Uh-huh, they still see the ball. Every now and again, some bird brain will fall. He faking you. You still got it, dude. Niggas start telling, hey, no, it's a fake. Just stay right there. Just stay.

Come on. Being on this couch never gets old. I'm not going to move. So notice the young burgeoning rivalry, but how y'all feeling about this in-man SGA? I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move.

I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to old. I'm not going to move. So notice the young burgeoning rivalry. But how are y'all feeling about this MN-SGA rivalry? I personally like rivalries that they guard each other. Like they're in the same position.

But in that defense, they did guard each other in the fourth quarter. A couple plays. Yeah, when it mattered. A couple plays, yeah. Yeah, when it mattered in question. One's yeah. Yeah, when it mattered, any question. One's a shooting guard, one's a point guard. So, you know, it's a rivalry because they're star players and they're going back and forth to each other.

But, you know, it's... I like rivalries where the two, they match up. They actually have to guard each other. That's their matchup. They cannot duck each other for considerable portions of the game. I like it. I like it. I like it because it's two dogs.

Two dogs that hang their hat on both sides of the court. They both got to carry their weight offensively and defensively on both sides. And SGA ain't going to back down. He's going to take it personal just because there ain't

nobody else on his team that's going to take it personal like he is. And I think Ant-Man is the same way. He's like, all right, if I got to guard this, let me guard him. And then it's like, you got smaller guys that's going to have to guard him because he's a PG. He got bigger guys that he may have to guard. But I think just the rivalry itself, Ant-Man is, it ain't about smoke to him more than it is about fire. He's going to start

the fire. You're going to see the smoke. That's what I like about Ant-Man. Like, he going to bring, he going to bring. And then he take the fun out of the game, like he did. Like, hey, man, they fouling the shit out of me all night long. Y'all, and we still beating y'all ass. And that's what I love about him. And SGA, you know, take it personal and be like, hey, post-game, post-game.

A little bit quiet, but he'll come through with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He going to say some shit. He ain't going to be too quiet. So I just like that they both accept the challenge and that, you know, like Pat said, it's the future of the NBA when you talk about a rivalry. I'm not going to say it's as similar as T-Mac and Kobe was,

but, you know, you can be there where it's like you look forward to seeing this matchup when they play. Especially with those who do small market guys, you know, Thunder, once KD Russ left, not necessarily much to watch, but it's prime viewing, you know, in the league. I think that the league appreciates. But, Kenny, what do you think about this? Do we even call it a rivalry yet? I like it. It's a good competition, man.

It's a good competition for the league. Two young studs going at it. It's not like it's good competition, man. It's good competition for the league. Two young studs going at it. It's great for basketball. Why they... we was talking about earlier, like with scheduling. They done playing already. We wouldn't want to see this later in the season. Right.

Because for the most part, they don't know that this would have been a good— I get that. Yeah, but damn, they— You know what I mean? Like, there's a bunch of teams that— It's done already. Some of those guys, they try to get them wins, right? Like, if you didn't think OKC was going to be good and you thought Woo was going to be

good, you get them four times really early to try to get those wins. Try to get them four wins early so they can—I get it, but I would love to see this matchup later in the season or maybe in the playoffs. This will be a great playoff matchup. Yeah. Yeah. Because you got two guys that could average 35 plus in a series. And they both will average 35 in a series. Yeah. And it'll be- So we're looking at a 1-8 matchup?

It'll be a great- If OK can get to 7 or 8 Because I think the world's gonna pull out number one in the West. That's the world number one right now. Okay sees third Nuggets or second So unless you know less a lot of Western Conference final some but not yeah, but you know, I think this season Yes, you know what you know? down the road. Eventually. Two years from now. Eventually. But they've both got a long, bright future ahead in this league. Absolutely. To see those kind of seeds developing and burgeoning.

So we have a good mostly fans question from Underdog User. What's up, Kenny? What's up, Gil's Arena? Presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoop, whoop. Okay. I got a question. Who would you'all rather

start a team with? Ant-Man or Shea? You got to pick one. Thank y'all. Appreciate you for the shout-out. Man, I know he's struggling, man. I know he want the full mustache, but he can't grow it.

You know what I mean? I know. Man, listen, I was there at that phase, man, where this one grow in a little thicker than this one, so you just got to look. Just got to keep it even. You got to keep it even.

I know. Leave him alone, man. I'm just saying, I know, we've been there before. You can't get the whole full one, you know, start lighting right there, just go ahead, taper it. One of my goals in life is to get my mustache to touch. I don't know if I'll ever see it. Oh, you ain't got it either?

Never happened. I don't know if I'll ever see it come to fruition. never happened I don't know if I ever see it come to fruition that Pedro hope work that magic city you know that bitch hope you got to accept you're gonna be facially here challenge the game is the game I'm going with it if I I had to start a team, I'm going with Ant-Man. Going with Ant-Man. So I'm going to say Ant-Man, only 22 in his fourth NBA season, SGA 25 in his sixth season.

But you say Ant-Man. Why do you pick Ant-Man? Well, he's younger. At the same age, he's playing a lot better than SGA was at that same time. So his ceiling is going to be higher, bigger. I can play him at the two cup, can play him at the three, can play him at the one. I play him at the one.

So I mean, I can play him at different stages. I mean, you can also with SGA, you can play him at the one and the two, right? Cause he's about what, 6'6 now? 6'7. 6'6, 6'7, yeah. So he's very mobile between the one and the two, but I'm gonna go with that man because athletic,

big for his position, even bigger if he goes to the one. And like you said, it seems like that trajectory, obviously the Wolves are probably going to have to make some moves in the near future to really officially make it his squad and let him run things. He's out of there, man. Gil, stop it. Minnesota, a great city.

Ample amount of targets for Nick Young to make videos in. We had Pat Bev on the show in the season one finale. He echoed those similar sentiments, but you think, why can't he build something in Minnesota? He can. He Minnesota? He can. He can. He can. He's just not going to win nothing in Minnesota. He can build something there.

I think that if he hang his hat on, you know, staying with one team and continuing to build a legacy, breaking all them records that's there, something similar with what KG did. And then at the end, if you need to, depart ways and go chip hunting. But as far as, you know, legacy and being drafted there, and if you want to chase the big city lights, it's different.

But I don't see nothing really changing. Get rid of them other niggas around them and bring some motherfuckers in. Why can't you bring the city life to Minnesota? Because it's Minnesota. Because he can go to New York City. You said the Knicks. Man, I don't care.

I mean, listen, anybody can say what they want. But, I mean, history is history, right? When you talk about the first 50 greatest of all time, right, at the top 50, you know, they did their greatest list. When you look on that list, y'all going to At the top 50, you know, they did their greatest list. When you look on that list, y'all going to realize out of 50, 37 of them came from big city teams, right? Boston, Philly, LA, Chicago, same shit, same teams. When we talk about our top five right now, if we talk about the top 10 ever, the only person that's going to be in there from not a big city would be Tim

Duncan other than that everybody from LA Chicago Boston new not even New York New York don't you have top 25 right Patrick Ewing is gonna be somewhere between 25 and 30 other than that is three steps in top 10 they callelo on that in there? Hell no. I know. No. Who is the top 10? Anybody you name. KD? Tim Duncan will be...

The only one? The only one. Will KD make that? We talking about right now. Right now. We're not talking about when they done. I'm just asking. So if we say top 25, it would change though, right? Yeah, you'll have a sprinkle.

You'll have about four, five people in there. But you know what I mean? It seems like when you start looking at history and when you're talking about legacy, that person who's like a Tim Duncan. If Tim Duncan was in a New York or LA or Boston and won the same exact thing and did the same exact stats

just in a bigger city. He's top two, top three. But what changes that? Just the city? City. Wow. Same thing with Russell's triple-double. Nobody sees it.

Doing an OKC versus doing it. Wow. You do that shit in New York. You do that shit in New York. Doing an OKC versus doing it in New York or doing it in LA. Look how they- Russ Book? Yes.

Well, he did it in OKC. He did it in Houston. And then he did it in Washington. But New York. Now, if he did it in New York or LA. Y'all see what he did with Jeremy Lin. Y'all remember that hype? Nah, man.

Think about what they did for Jeremy Lin scoring 20 points in a game. I don't know, that hype? Nah, man. Think about what they did for Jeremy Lin. Scoring 20 points in a game. I don't know, man. That hype, man. Triple-double. We knew Russ did that shit. And he didn't even start in the All-Star Games. But we knew he did that shit.

We knew it was impressive. But he didn't start in the All-Star Games. It's just different, man. There was a lot of motherfuckers hooping, though, then. When Russ was doing that shit. That's what makes it so impressive that he can do that and not even start in the all-star. You can be like, who's starting in front of him? Oh, yeah.

You got Curry and you got the, yeah. You got Curry and who? Who was it? You're talking about the West, right? Yeah. It was- Curry and- James?

James Harden. Curry, Harden. I mean, you're having a triple-double though. West, right? Yeah. It was- Curry and- James? James Harden. Curry, Harden. I mean, you're having a triple-double though. I mean- James was having- That's what I'm saying if you- Fucking 39.

Because there's only a certain amount of people in Oklahoma City that can vote for- Yup. That they limited in the city and the state. CP made it over? Who was this? CP had- Somebody made it over him. In the city and the state.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're talking about when you're talking about like, is it like Jai, right? Who's this? T.B. Somebody made it over him. In the city and the state. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're talking about when you're talking about like, is it like Jai, right? There's only 600,000 people in Memphis. Mm-hmm. Damn, it's 700,000. But you know, Jai's like, it's like AI playing in Memphis. If AI was, got drafted to Memphis, you can't deny the fact that there's AI doing AI shit.

Yeah, but Philly's a bigger city. Philly's a bigger city. You know what I'm saying, but if AI was in Memphis instead of Philly, we still putting AI in there, regardless if it's Philly, because it's AI. Fan votes. Fan votes. When you're in a smaller city, it's like you have to do double the damage.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Right, so if you average 30 in a small city, that's 25 in a big city. For sure. Triple-double puts you in, right? Triple-double. If you average triple-double in OKC, it's, oh, Russell averaged triple-double. Remember, if he's playing for LA, think about the teams that's on TV right now.

Those three teams that got the most TV games is going to be probably, for sure, Golden State won. Lakers. Lakers. Lakers. Boston. Right. So you're saying as far as us seeing him more gives more fan votes for him. As far as a Pacers super exciting, bought-out, in-season tournament,

I think they were under 10 games, I want to say, on that national TV scale. I mean, they got the smallest arena in basketball there, man. It's like a high school arena. The birthplace of hoops don't get up. Hoosiers? No. No. Their arena probably bigger than that one.

So Rashad, back to the mostly fans question. Would you rather start a franchise with Ant or SGA? Ant-Man. Easy? Yeah. Just attributes, skill set, markability, fanfare. He just got it. He got the it.

He the it factor. You know what I'm saying? He's talking about playing both sides of the ball, being able to go one through three, maybe even one through four, guarding if you need to. He's strong enough. He got it all.

I like that man a lot. I liked him since I seen him in Georgia and I think that SGA had to build himself up to get to this point so he would have to have a lot more I had to have a lot more trust in him rather than just knowing that when I throw a man out there he gonna get it done in Kenya what yourself and or SGA start a franchise go with the couch take the enemies yeah take nothing away from Shay like not but you gotta take if you all things in the count of you playing GM right you got to go with the age thing right now. It's, we're talking about right now, today.

He's younger. You gotta go with that. That's a thing. People don't realize that. That's a thing. That's a thing. You said that with Wimby and Chet, and people get mad at you.

You're just like, why don't we both just judge him as Ricky's? Like, we do, but it's like a 19-month age difference. People just don't, they don't get it. Like, it's, like when they're, Like when they're looking at the boy, right, in these gym, in these meeting rooms, they got your name, your height, where you from or what school, what country you from, what school you went to, and your date of birth. And they got that bitch hyphenated to the month.

So if you born in December they got this shit, whatever, they got your shit to the month. So it's a thing. Not how many points you average. They got no stats up there. No stats up there, none of that matter. Sage, your wings, they fucking had your wingspan up there before you before your points So and that's what the funny part like when I when I made that comment about young fella in Detroit, right? The twins and they don't understand like

Yes are and y'all over there talking they talking about like yeah, he's a rookie Yeah, I get all that but I'm talking GM talk. Yeah, he's a rookie yeah i get all that but i'm talking gm talk like he's 22 now yeah about to turn 22 if he's not 22 already as a rookie right right like so now i'm gonna compare his stats to all 22 year olds not all rookies 22 year olds so now if I'm paying him or I want to see where his his ability is gonna be Take him at 22. All right, so okay shit this guy's an all-star at 22 this guy's averaging 22 This guy's averaging 25. He will be below He will be at the bottom end of 22 like he wouldn't be considered like you got to who's the king of 22? And who's the bottom end of 22 good not to not to correct you, but today is actually his birthday.

He just turned 21. Oh, 21. My bad. Just letting you know. 21. Happy birthday to the Thompson twins. So, you know, you're saying 21. Is it his birthday or is it their birthday?

Their birthday. Gil's kids will not be giving you a gift as well. You know, so like when you look at some of the players when they were 21, what were their stats? Like to see if he's going to be in that algorithm of a superstar or a star. No, I understand what you're saying. You know what I mean?

And people don't understand that it's age, man. We care about the age for the most part. Like if you average, you know, 20 as a 22-year-old, somebody 18 can average 13 and y'all will be compared the same. Yeah He will be even valued more at 18 averaging 13. You got to put it in layman's terms for the fans It's potential potential, but I mean even even quick we're gonna talk about can't they don't even know what that is They don't even know that they just hear it too much That's why I said like if you're 20 and you average 20, right? Someone at 18 can average 13 and be compared. Yes having more potential now you signed a hundred million dollars

Averaging 20 at 20 the person who's 18 averages 13 will get paid the same because when he turns 20 Most likely he will be averaging more than 20. So by the time Ant-Man gets to 25, SGA numbers right now, he will be touching that or way in front of it. Holy, that boy balling right now. This is shit. He's 30, so shit. So we asked the chat, I'd rather start a team with Ant-Man or SGA.

62% said Ant over nearly 3,000 votes. Shout out to you, chat, for being supportive. So let's talk a little bit more about Ant. After the game, Ant was critical of the officiating, or lack thereof, and was willing to write a check to get the Wolves some damn respect. Points, but contributions all around.

A team effort in this one. Team effort. How did you get it done in this environment? I don't know. I don't know, and I'm going to take the fine because the refs did not give us no calls tonight. We had to play through every bump, every grab. I don't know.

I don't know how we won tonight. Big shout-out to my team. Big shout-out to my coaches, for sure. I like that young nigga, bro. He's a very likable human being. I like him. He's my favorite nigga. Talk that shit, boy. Young nigga versus old nigga Kawhi. I mean...

Does he get fined for that? Probably so. Probably so? Yeah. League needs his bread. More than likely. I'll take it though. He said, I just got paid. It's Friday night. Just got paid. It's Friday night. Johnny Kim. Adidas, pay just got paid. It's Friday night. Just got paid. It's Friday night. Johnny Kemp. Adidas, pay that for me.

So, and going about this the right way, as a burgeoning superstar, calling out refs like this, do you think it'll actually benefit him down the road? Or you guys know refs. Are they saltine? Do they take shit like this personal? I mean, they take it personal, but it's not like he called anybody by name. He just made a general statement of, we don't know how we won, but shit, we won. You know what I mean, they take it personal, but it's not like he called anybody by name. He just made a general statement of, we don't know how we won, but shit, we won. You know what I mean?

We wasn't getting no calls, but we won. Shit, fuck it, we're going to take it. You know, it's not like, you can see his demeanor. It ain't really like anger. It's still comical. Right. You know, so. As a ref, you're not going to take it personal like that.

You will hope. You will hope. They might. I know. You will hope that. Did you see things like that work in your career or down the road? Did you notice, damn, this ref is a hater? Oh, yeah.

More haters than, you know, they whole grudge is, man. I think when you the star player though, you got some type of leniency to be able to talk that shit like he did today. He didn't go over, he didn't overstep. He just made an obvious observation. Hey man, we got, hey, not even we, more so he like, man, they been fucking me up all night.

Y'all ain't giving me shit and we still beat y'all. Me is we, though, in the case of these. Yeah, but he looking in the camera directly. Hey, Adam, yeah, find me. Check's in the mail, bro. I don't give a fuck. Thank you, my team and my teammates. That's what make him a commendable dude, man.

He go right to the team. I like that. So Gil, when you were playing, when did you feel like you had enough motion to be able to come at refs like this and speak your mind? Like, at what point was it like, all right, now I can really take on that role and tell refs they ain't shit? No, no, no, I know people don't know this,

but I think my second year, I was damn near right behind Rasheed Wallace in technicals. Well, I was a little angry for that second year. I don't know. I just threw a headband at a ref. He didn't give me one of them calls, I'm bleeding and shit. Motherfucker. Yeah, I did. I got a bunch of texts. Sweaty headband, Gil? I got a bunch of texts. And then from there girl? I got a bunch of text my and then from there It's it's I started realizing that you know, I mean their fans

They're human They gonna miss shit they don't you know Sometimes you know, they might just be looking at the game and see a nice move and not realize they at work, right? So you got it counted once I mean like oh Wow day at work, right? So you got to count it once a... You know what I mean? Like, oh, oh, oh, file! Oh, shit, my bad. My bad, my bad. I see somebody hold a rifle, like, oh, that's a file.

Blow your whistle! Oh, shit. My bad. I got you on the next one. You're my favorite player. You know what I mean? So it's more of just, you know, understanding how to talk to them, you know, without, you know, crossing that them without crossing that line and letting them really understand that there's going to be some times where I'm going to cuss you out, I'm going to get angry, just from the nature of the game. So don't hold it against me.

I'm not going to hold it against you when you fuck up. Don't hold it against me when I fuck up and come at you a little bit. Alright, well, we got some more things to cover and get into on the show so let's kick it off. What happened to the little lady who gave the technical for the motherfucker giving her the ball? Don't act like y'all didn't see that.

Recently? Yeah. Was that the Portland game? Miami. When Max got the foul and he handed it, the lady called the foul and he gave the ball to her. She got offended that he gave it to her and gave him a take. I see it. Man, I'm a sweetheart.

Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, sit your ass down for a couple games. He gave you, he didn't throw the motherfucker at you. He gave it to you, and you called a technical foul. I think you're trying to show me up. I don't give a fuck what it is.

I'm giving you the ball, right? Now, if I roll that motherfucker past you, you're going to give me a technical for rolling to pass you. Yeah, they, last last night during the Portland game In the Sixers game Chauncey and Pat Beth just Talking back and forth and Pat must have reff and Pat told Chauncey to quit crying or something

And Chauncey said something back and the ref just in they business and gave both of them a double tech Let them cook. Like, it got nothing to do with you? Yeah, what you think they're going to do? You think Johnson's about to come on the court and fight Pat Baird? You think Pat Baird about to...

Like, what is the purpose of it? And the fans can't hear nothing, so it ain't fucking up, man. We trying to stop them. Why? It's the... Like, let... Shut up.

And, yo... They do too much, man. We trying to stop them why it's the like let shut up They they do too much man good you had a career-high 14 text. Well, you're the other two How many 14 cheese? Yeah, I said a month I could get nosey in the mud It was 500 a pop. Yeah, you gave away. That's money I didn't have. I told you. I was scared because I spent all my money my rookie year before I got drafted. For two years, $500

is all I had for two years just free money. A week? A month? A month. I was struggling. That plain food and ordering food on my teammates bills was how I eat and survive You got a dude you got a little money little boo-ray if I win extra $40. I'm out of them up come up That's okay. I went one hand boom. I'm good

y'all Tomorrow so she is you know that that 500 them gains brother that's whoo shit Good you talked about the streus tech. We actually had that video came in the Cavs Clippers game shit you know that that 500 them games brother that's whoo shit good do you talk about the strews tech we actually had that video came in the Cavs Clippers game that we can show we'll get your guys opinions run it we got extreme Technology. Oh yeah, that's a tech. But why? But why? Yeah, that's a tech.

It's a tech if you're an emotional ass referee. See how fast he did it? It don't matter. He said, here bitch. She said, don't throw the ball at me like that nigga. Don't hand you the ball fast. I mean. mean kind of threw it at her too little too yeah it was aggressive that's a terrible call but

then I don't want to be I don't want to say it but I'm gonna say it just can't be out there man with a bunch of aggressive grown-ass men man I hate this I hate this it just at times it's if you do the same thing to a male ref is no it don't look as aggressive right cuz she a female look like he kind of got a talk are there good female reps absolutely but it's this game is we we? emotion like we deal with grown men at times and emotion get in this certain things look Going towards a female look a certain way

Emotional intelligence nowadays we he didn't have no emotional intelligence No, no, but it's the problem is, what is that shit called? Equality? That's what it's called? I'll give it for you. This is. Don't warn him. Don't warn him. Let him go.

Let him go. Go ahead. Cut. The idea of equality, right, when we see stuff like this, is when men second guess, do we want this in our sport, right? Because you're saying you're fit to do the job. Right? It shouldn't be about gender.

Right? The smartest... So, in this instance, what does he do? Just let the ball roll? Right? Kick it? What do you want him to do?

Because either way, you're going to give him a tech. Right? Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Drop it. And we just sit in there. We get a tech. Right? Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Drop it. And we just sit in there.

We get a tech for that. Ball right there, and we just... You come get it. Oh, I've done it. You come get it. For sure. Tech. Right?

So no matter what, you're giving me a tech. Won't they just... How about this? When there's a play call, right? If we roll it to another ref, like you make a call and I give it to that... No, this is... Tech that way. Right?

So there's no good way of us giving you the motherfucking ball and we if we just leave it here tech right so the the problem is is he didn't throw it to you he didn't roll it past you which both would have been text he handed to you and you you're mad it was was the man. I get your point. But if you really look at it it was just the manner of how he did. Absolutely. Which

not a big deal but because of who it is and the emotion how emotional she got behind it which is fucked up. I take the emotion out of it. But do you say that's just limited to a female ref? Well, there's a certain men when it wouldn't have been the same thing.

I promise you wouldn't be. Let's just say the ref don't catch it. It's not exclusive to gender. Let's just say the ref don't catch it, right? Strews literally just, here you go, great call, right? It was a little fast. And let's say it hit the ref. And it's a male ref.

He's going to take it as, you throwing the ball at me? You trying to show me up? Yeah, you throwing the ball at me? So for the female ref to actually took a part, she took a beat, she took a little small beat like, all right, yeah, that's a little bit much. Because the way he did it, it was like the way he immediately- Yeah, she was saying it was kind of- He gave me the ball.

Yeah, that was a shock. She was shocked. She didn't know how to do it. She didn't know how to respond. For a't know how to respond for a male ref immediately We've seen some very egregious texts across the board absolutely some ridiculous shit, so I'm not saying it's isolated to any It's tough the problem is fine line. Yeah You're the ref You have no emotions in this game, so you shouldn't be at level 10, right ever

Right you all you doing this. Boop foul. Give me the ball still a foul right and then make your call him He's he's emotional. He probably thought he got there in time. He got a foul instead of hitting the ball Yeah, right he his emotions is going you supposed to be calm so obviously obviously, you're just as emotional to if that's what warrants a Technical that's a problem for me. I'm sorry. I get a moment for do this. How you doing on the free throw line? Oh, it's the best one ever. And that ball come by you, and make it or it miss,

and it bounce by you, and they expect you to give it and give it back. Oh, I would watch that motherfucker roll right by me. Just literally watch it. Oh, and a couple times, that bitch didn't bounce, bounce, bounce, and bounce right here. And I did this.

I move my foot. Yeah, I move my foot. Yeah. Oops. Yeah, I move my foot so make sure it don't touch me. Mm-hmm. And they get mad at that? Yeah, I make you come over there and bend over and get the ball. Yeah.

But then they hold grudges and now you don't get a bit of a call or something like that. That's asshole shit. That's not good. Like, you go to the end and you don't pick the ball.

You walk over. Oh, yeah. I would, yeah. You ask me for the ball, it'll bounce, bounce, bounce'll bounce bounce bounce bounce and I will they give me a take you asking for the ball And I gonna give it to this rep. Yes. Oh, they got that bad Now you showing me up. Yeah, I show me the game is the game, but let's move on to some hibachi Yeah, now you showing me up so we got to head on over to Houston. Oh, look at the new lighting structure, Gil.

It sizzling in here. It sizzling in here. All right. Let's make this. Bring out some eggs and some shrimp. We're going to toss them into the crowd. All right. The Rockets.

Orange under here. The Rockets smack the Lakers on Monday night. Hey, man, y'all got too much goddamn time on y'all hands. No, I'm just man, y'all got too much goddamn time on y'all hands. No, I'm just saying, y'all got a lot of time on y'all hands to be fucking with lights and shit. This is FYI. See, this is my job. This is Gil's Arena presentation.

I'm just saying, man. Okay, new lights, okay, everything red and this shit. Okay, I see y'all. We are trying to evolve, raise the bar. You know, we did get a slight lighting budget from Underdog Fantasy putting it to use. What, what?

Some of this will end up in the back of the truck at the crib. So the Rockets smacked the Lakers on Monday night. We saw a few historic performances in the game,

or historic moments, rather. Jalen Green dropped 34 points, 12 boards and seven dimes, and Alper and Shang-Goon added 31, 12 boards and seven dimes as well. Damn. Shangoon added 31, 12 boards and seven dimes as well. So Green and Shangoon are the youngest duo in league history to each have 30 plus points, 10 plus rebounds in the same game. Cookie. Darvin Ham, meanwhile, hands in his pocket. Looking for answers. Shangoon also called LeBron's living year 39, though.

So it doesn't count. 39 years old. Year 21. But Cam Whitmore was also a big story in the game, cooking off the bench. Cam came through, dropped 20 points in 18 minutes, which tied Zion and Kaminga for the fewest minutes played by a teenager in a 20-point game. He had a stretch in the first half where he scored nine points in 90 seconds. Naturally, Lakers fans are left wondering why they passed on Whitmore in the draft,

as our current draft pick, Chile Gonzales. Rockets are 22-24 so far this season, have already matched their win total from last season. Has Ime Adoka officially changed the culture in Houston? What was the culture before? A bunch of young kids? Boo-boo. And then they paid some veterans to come in there? I think paying the veterans this summer was the change of the culture.

But they came for Ime. That's quarter bread. But they even had a job first, That's a load of bread. But they, he even had a job first, right? They signed those free agents first. Right, Dylan Brooks? Mm-mm. After?

Uh-oh. No, he didn't. No. But you can't get, I mean, but, I know, I mean, Fred and Dylan,

like, that's what's changing your culture. You know, it's... Accountability. He may hire in April. That's it. K would know out of everybody who's talking about it early off air. Silas, it didn't really respect him.

Good coach, but, you know, I think struggled a little bit to earn the team's respect. Feels like E-Mate's come in. But, again, you don't have the same players there. You can't change the team up and then... Even when they... I said this. Even when they would have had the same team,

it would have been different having E-May there. Right? I just thought that. Because it's just the talent that they had, there was no... They was losing too much for... Yeah, it was just... It was...

It was... There was no respect for Silas. much for... Yeah, it was just... It was... It was... There was no respect for Silas. Yeah. What I saw, right? A lot of talent, but there was no... So it's just hard to coach that when you don't have the locker room. And I think M.A. would have came in,

he would have demanded that, and certain guys wouldn't have been able to play for him. With the same team, certain guys wouldn't have been able to play for him. With the same team, certain guys wouldn't have been able to play. So therefore they made the moves because of certain things, but I just... You know, you still got Tyree still there, Jabari, Sangoon, Tate, Jalen Green. They got them. So it's still... And they only had Eric Gore in.

But those wasn't the troublemakers? No. Yeah. But it was only... But it wasn't... The whole team wasn't troublemakers. I know, that's what I'm saying. The whole team was just a few. No, it wasn't even a few.

Just one. Yeah. So the whole team wasn't troublemakers. It was... But they were so young with no guidance, right? You put some guidance. They would have won the same team they had last year, right? If M.A. Udoka is that coach, they win more than 22 games last year.

How many more? I don't know. But they win more than 22 games if he's with the same talent because he has the locker room he's going to demand certain things in the locker room because of how he is and the tree of coaching that he comes from and he's standing on business

so that's what I know you got to add too add to Dylan Brooks somebody who's outspoken who's played on teams where everybody's accountable, and you add Fred, which are two like vets that can actually come beside E-May and say, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Eric Gordon was probably the only vet. And he didn't say anything.

He not a speaker, he don't be saying nothing, so it's like they can walk over him too, like, man, you know what I'm saying? Two guys play off experience. Yeah, so now it's like you got three guys in the locker room that's gonna be like a young fella for you guys a headache gone and yeah you're older that's why I said it's you get a point guard and I thought somebody like Mike Conley would have been perfect for the team that they had last year mm-hmm read somebody and settle that shit down get the ball ready to let Jaylen be who

is that the guy it would have been perfect. But even, you know, Lakers played the Rockets thing back in December. He may get into it with Bron as a player on that team. Seeing that, seeing your coach not back down. It injects. From the man, you know, but it lets you know, all right, I can rock with this dude. So imagine having that same thing with a younger team. Yeah. Like, they buy it in. As young guys see thing with a younger team. They buy it in.

As young guys, they buy it in to what the coach is preaching. They're like, oh, shit, coach don't fuck with Bron like that? And that's their favorite play. Cam Whitmore's favorite play. Several guys have said that. But Rockets have a solid young core, like we mentioned. They're going to have a ton of cap space next year. Proving coach, solid vest, we mentioned.

Fred Van Fleet and Dylan Brooks. How far away are the Rockets from being competitive in the West? I thought that was supposed to be all the moves they made. That's what I thought they was... You thought it was supposed to be this year? Yeah, with all the shit. It turned over the roster. Was it 22, 23?

Probably two more years from now. Yeah. If they keep the same team together. Yeah. Add a few more pieces, everybody got a little bit older. Everybody get Jalen Green, Shingun, really get into their own. I mean, it could be all right in two years. Which is, I think, you know, 25, 26, I think Shingun has a qualifying offer.

Jalen Green will have a qualifying offer, but those guys' price points would be so much lower. Based on how this new CBA is going, it seems like they have a ton of flexibility to keep these guys. I compare them more to SAC right now with having two, like before they got rid of Halliburton and they went and got Sabonis, when they had just Fox out there and they're trying to figure out where they're going to go for the future,

picking up Sungoon gives them an extra added value. Then you got Jabari and you got Cam Whitmore is going to be a problem. It's just about how long can you keep the team together and make them like an OKC type where you can build them together and you can start winning and start building up some confidence. But if that doesn't happen, I think they're going to have to figure out what's next. I mean, Houston's a big market. You don't want to fuck that up.

And you got, I mean, Shane Goon already getting comparisons to Joker. They're calling him Baby Joker. Is he enough to, would you build your franchise around him? Jalen Green. Okay. Or the duo? You tell that to goddamn New York, New York, they think I'm stupid when I said it.

Fucking Jalen Green. And how effective can that combo be if they stay together? Oh them two? Oh yeah, them two, that's like an advanced Murray and... A younger, a more athletic... More athletic. Jesus. Taller, younger, like... You say it could be the Murray Joker. Yes. Dude.

With a better guard. Because you can put him at the one, two. I mean, he's all of six, seven, six, eight. That boy can play, man. Any competitor. I watched him, like, in depth. Like, Jaden Green, competitive, man. I think sometimes when we talk they look at

right now right it's like no right now he's 22 23 and i'm saying you invest in him today and build around him today 21 yeah 20 about to be i think it's more consistency though it's like it's like seeing the consistency to, let's build around these two compared to just the potential of it. Because if they're not showing the consistency that you can build around both of them at the same time, you got to get rid of one. Like you said, if you're going to get rid of Jalen to go to New York, then you got to say, all right, what does he compare to Jalen Brunson? Jalen Brunson, 28 years old. I don't give a fuck. He's 28.

He's good right now. I understand. But you know, in New Yorkork we need consistency right now we don't want to wait three years to see you turn into jalen brunson we're giving up jalen brunson now 60 okay we say jalen brunson today what he's doing jalen green six years from now will be where brunson is what does that look like you know new york not waiting six years What I'm saying is what does it look like? That's what I'm saying. They're thinking about the team aspect and we're going to make the playoffs,

first round, second round. Yeah, that's cool. But I'm saying if you... That team is not winning a championship because you're going to have to replace because you need a star-studded player who demands respect from the league, of the players. Right now, New York, Brunson, and Randall can't call not one player on the phone and say, yo, come team with us.

Everybody's going to be like, who this? How'd you get this number? But what is your goal? What is your goal? Is your goal to win a championship? Or is your goal just to ignite fire into the city? That's the question. So if you're trying to literally win a championship,

you're going to win a championship by adding something to what you got now. With what? You need a star. With Brunson and- A star. No, you just need another piece. Star. You need a number one option.

They got the number one option. He's averaging 26. If that's your number one option, then you're probably going to be in trouble. Not if you add another piece. What kind of piece are you going to add? You're going to have to add a guard another the guard. Let's like like Barrett not not What's it with OG not OG but a scoring guard like Levine You add a Levine you add a Levine. He's the number one option

No, he's not Not over Brunson bro Brunson is the number one option I'm gonna take you to a next game you because Jalen Brunson is getting bucky.son is the number one option. I'm going to take you to our next game, Gil. Brunson is getting buckets, bro. He walked off the set on me yesterday, didn't give me a piece of candy, which was the most egregious part. But I'm saying, no GM in the planet of GM's history will take Brunson over Zach Levine as a number one option.

You wouldn't have to make the decision. I want my 6'6", 6'7", guy who has a 46-inch vertical who can create his own shot. But you wouldn't have to make that decision. Versus a 6'1", guy

who can create his own shot. The team's going to make that decision. If my 6'1", guy is creating all my shots, how good am I? This is not 19-fucking-57. You're pretty good

if he's still doing it. If it ain't 1947 and it's 2024 and he's averaging 26 a game, what's changing? Nothing's changing. If Zach Levine is not doing that in Chicago, what makes the difference in him coming to New York and do it? If my 6'1 guard

who's not athletic is dominating the game, what do I really have on my team? You have a player who knows how to play basketball. What the rest of my team look like? If my 6'1 guard, who's not athletic, is dominating this game, that means my shooting guard...

You look like the... My shooting guard is probably trash. My three is probably trash. Philadelphia 76ers with Allen Iverson. So it looks kind of like how Boston looked when IT was there, averaging 30. The rest of the team is probably just not that good. But you can take them there, just like IT did.

IT took them there. To the what? First place? Took them there. He took them where they needed to go to get the energy. They got the energy going. Again, if you're New York and you're going to go to the first round and second round, yeah, the team you have right now is perfect. If IT had a Julius Randle on it, would they have went further?

No, they'd have been right where they are. How? How could you say that? How could you say that? Because he was by himself and he took it where he took it. Let me try this. Put IT at his highest, right, when he was an all-star. Remember, Brunson's not an all-star yet.

IT was a two-time all-star. If we have Jason Tatum and Brown today, who's the number one option? With IT on the team? Yes. Okay. IT at its highest? Yes, IT averaging 30. The year he averaged 29.

Who is the number one option? Jalen Brown and Tatum today. Today? Yeah. Don't even stop. Ooh. Yeah, don't even stop. Ooh, Lord have mercy.

Stop. They going to be like, hey, hey, little nigga, get the ball up. Give it up. Little nigga got the ball. Give it up. Little nigga got the ball. He got to give it up. Give it up.

He got to give it up. When a nigga told you to give it up, what was you doing? Now, let's go down this road. I'm six foot. What was you doing? I don't give a fuck how tall you was. What was your mentality? Now, let's go down this road. What was you doing? I don't give a fuck how tall you was. What was your mentality? I got the ball.

Y'all motherfuckers move. This is how you said you were. Again, answer the question. IT don't got to give it up. Answer the question. I don't got to give it up. Who's... I don't got to give it up.

If Tatum and Brown right now, and IT's on a team, and IT's hot... It's a tough question to answer for me. It's tough. It's tough. Okay. Because I really like Jason Tatum, but I really love

IT and his prime. Jalen Green. Okay. Jalen Green. We're back. Same thing. Jalen Green. Bad man. Him and Sangoon together. I'm not waiting six years for Jalen Green. With a dude like Whitmore. I'm not waiting six years. No, no, no.

You're not waiting six years, but in six years, the same team that you're glorifying, you won't even have those either. Because in six years, they're going to be 35 and 34. If the window is now, we take the window we got now. Listen, if I have, let me show you how Brunson works, right? If I take Brunson right now and I put him on Boston, that is a dangerous lineup, right? If I take Brunson and put him with the fucking Lakers, if I take him and put him in Phoenix, right? Because he is not the number one option, but he's a dangerous option, right? That means the last five minutes, he's going to control the tempo. He's going to take advantage of whoever is on him if he can get it if not he's going to give it to the best player right but if

he is my best player at 6-1 then that means i don't have no one that's dominating the game so he's looking at randall like you're a sidekick nah let me let me do all this because i'm a bet i'm a better option too than you are they don't have an option one for him to play his role. His role is no different than Be wise. The fuck I need to be wise for? He's option two. I don't give a fuck what nobody say.

Nah. Nah. He's option two. Uh-uh. It's not adding up. You put him on you there was a reason they got rid of in Dallas He's option to know The fuck I need the ball in his hands no No, Jay, if I put it with SGA who the fuck is getting the ball They didn't know who he was getting the ball. You know who he was getting the ball. I know who he was again Who's getting the ball. They know who he was getting the ball. I know who he was again. Who's getting the ball?

It's who is getting the ball if he's with SGA Okay, who is getting the ball? Guard who is getting the ball if he's in Phoenix or two point guards who's getting the ball with his he is He don't he gonna be the point guard, but he gonna be less effective because he has to make oh, yeah He has to defer better players. Yeah, why would you put him there? So when you're gonna to make him less effective? So right now... When you want the maximum from your player,

you don't put him with a bunch of players where he's going to diminish his game. You put him where he's most effective. New York, he's most effective right now in this position. Say that shit again, out loud. Did you not hear me? Yeah, I know, I heard you. Say it one more time.

Most effective. Put him in a position where he's most effective. Where he's most effective, and if you put him in Phoenix, I know. I heard you. Say it one more time. Most effective. Put him in position where he's most effective. Where he's most effective. And if you put him in Phoenix, he wouldn't be most effective. He's not going to maximize his potential because he's going to have to defer. Am I speaking fucking English? What the fuck? No, I don't think you are.

What the fuck? No, you're speaking English. So what the hell are you not getting? If he's on a better team with options ones and twos, he has to defer to the better players. If he's option one, that means the team ain't that fucking good. No, it doesn't. It means that you can put

motherfuckers around him. Gilbert, he's in New York. Add a fucking piece. Bring in a motherfucker who can add to what he does in his maximum capacity. Okay, that's not fucking piece. Bring in a motherfucker who can add to what he does in his maximum capacity. Okay, that's not fucking Chinese. Don't send him to fucking Phoenix where he has to do less. You keep him where he is and bring niggas in where he can still do more.

He can still be Jalen Brunson at 26 a game. What are you talking about? Let's bring in, if you want to keep him, let's bring in Kevin Durant and Booker, motherfucker, to make it better. Where is he now? Where is Bradley Bill, who you said was going to play the fucking point guard? Is he playing at maximum capacity? Why would you need to bring anybody else if you got these two dudes who, oh, we don't need a point guard. These two niggas can play the point guard.

What the fuck you need Brunson for? Action again. This is the fucking shit you said before. We don't need a point guard. What the fuck you need brunson for? Action again. This is the fucking shit you said before. We don't need a point guard. We got these guys. But what is happening? They not being maximized because that's not their true fucking positions. All right, you got rid of a point guard to motherfucking let these motherfuckers do what? Nothing. Now you're talking about bringing Brunson down so he could know, keep him where he at. Let him fucking rock and you bring niggas around him. You good?

No. You finished? You finished? I'll let you get off. Did the microwave ping yet? Is the fucking shit done? Then ping it. Bing.

Okay. Okay. So, again, like we said before, if he's the number one option, him playing in his realm as the number one option, then your team is really not going to go that far because the rest of the players aren't that good. Now, I told you, take the same guy and put him in Phoenix where there's a number one and you got Hall of Famers there. His role gets diminished. Obviously, he's going to get the fucking diminished because there's better players, right? So if I said, all right, you don't want them over there. Let's bring those better players here. Obviously his role gets

diminished. So for him to stay the number one option, that means it has to be less talent for him to still dominate. So you can't bring over a number one option if you want him to still be the number one option. And if he is the number one option, then your team ain't that good. But you're the one saying Zach Levine is the number one. I'm not saying Zach is the number one option. I'm saying bringing a player

like Zach over to New York will add value to the team with Brunson still being able to be number one. That's what I'm saying. You're saying, oh, you bring in Zach, and the GM's going to say he's the number one option. I'm saying, nah, nah, nah, he's not. I'm saying you're going to be now Richard Hamilton in them. You're going to come off screens. You can still be athletic, my nigga, but this is our show. Well, let's talk about these Knicks a little bit. They've been balling since the OG Ananobi trade.

They have a good team. They have a very good team. 13-2 since January 1st. Best record in the league in that month. Seven game winning streak, league leading. Brunson's been balling in January as well, 29 a game, eight assists, four rebounds. Come on, man. At six foot one. Sounds great. Ananobi looking like a legit defensive player to your candidate. Knicks have the best defensive rating in the league since he pulled up to the Big Apple.

Top seventh offense right now. And they're doing that without who? And they recently lost Julius Randle for a few weeks. No, no, no, no. The other guy. Mitchell Robinson. Thank you. Ooh, because that's an all-star.

Ooh, shit. Ooh, let me stand back. Ooh, this motherfucking team. Ooh, who scared of them in the playoffs? Are the Knicks for real or Fugazi? Yes. Okay, let me start with you Fourth in the ace not rule defensive identity

You're not Not rolling with Dolan No, they have nothing to do with the Dolan brought up with the Dolan no the owner Don't do you think I'm not rolling? Why are you not rolling with that squad? Because we have the Boston Celtics in the East, and we have the Milwaukee Bucks in the East, and I don't think that they could beat Philly in the playoff series if Joel decides that he gonna motherfucking be that guy.

So that's just my personal thoughts. Rashad, how about yourself? I'm rolling. You're rolling with the Knicks or for real? They, yeah. I think that they can give you fourth or fifth seed. They're not going for the top three. Pushing on the six, obviously Embiid's been missing a lot of games. Some ducking, some knee knee injury who really knows but Fugazi to me is

Like saying that it's fool's goal and they gonna end up 10th 9th They definitely competitors in the East. They definitely has shown some consistency of late and It's it's up to them to lose it. It's up to them to fuck it up. And I think you know, they trying to turn the corner That's it. And they ain't really fully healthy They still out there competing every night and I think Jalen Brunson is the one that bring that dog out of them and just give them that consistency that that that og that that vet mentality of championship swagger and I think that him and Josh Hart give that team that and they give New York that

That's what I see who they beat in the playoff Depends on who they go up against look at the East as it stands. Let's look at the standings, right? I got what's the point is I got the standings right? Okay. Yeah, I'm up as well. Oh, you do to cross-reference They prefer so if the playoffs started today Their fourth Knicks Cavs would be they're gonna be next cast. They're gonna be the same team. They probably beat last year Cleveland Cleaves cast for four or five. Okay, but the runs are gonna have a field day once again because So that means that so they'll make it they'll make it to the second round, right? Yeah Okay, so and they'll put stars in Cleveland? I'm just asking the question right now.

Why you got to have stars? I'm just saying, they go to the second round. The winner of 1-8. Okay. So they'll play the winner of 1-8. Which is currently Boston Celtics. Which is currently Boston Celtics. Very solid.

They not beating the Boston Celtics. I'm just saying. So if they move up or down, if they get the, they not getting the two. Right? Can I ask? Only chance they have. Do they have a chance they have hands to be no. No, is it gonna be a no No, they gonna beat the hell out. They're gonna be a sweet. So they go best player for one gentlemen sweep at bet at worse It won't be a long series. Okay, let's just say hypothetically they can move up to that three spot They'd be looking at the Pacers right now in the first

round, and potentially the Bucks. So, just hear me out, right? So,

just hear me out, right? If they do play Boston, right, by chance, who's going

to guard Jalen Brunson? As far as the Boston Celtics? Yeah, who? Drew. And who else?

Probably White. That's tough trade, and the motherfuckers just switch And if you um, and then who is but when I was not worried about neither one of them and who Brunson gonna guard when?

They go big he has to guard Tatum when Tatum goes to the one at the same shit zone up. They zone up That's what they do. They zone up when they need to know what he doing out there I'm just saying I got a chance. No Mitchell Robinson. Poor Zing is going to have a fit. That's my only worry about that. It's too small for them. It's too much. It's too much.

It's just too much. I'm just looking at it as it. It's just too much. I don't want people to think I don't like Brunson. Brunson's a hell of a guy. He is. Absolutely. He's a hit.

If I have him on my team, I know I'm going to always be in position to win games. He's a winner. He knows how to win. Yeah, he's proving that. Right? Proving that. Proving winner. But for me to go over the top

and put myself in Eastern Conference finals or even a championship, he can't be my best player. Talent-wise, I get what you're saying. On paper-wise, I get what you're saying, but I'm looking past that. I'm looking past it. Three years. Two years from now, Randall's going to

probably be off that team. You're going to break the team. I'm saying as far as the way that they compete. When they have chances to win, it goes beyond just the talent that you put on paper. You say, all right, Boston versus New York. We know Boston is way more talented. They should win, right? But when we talk about dogs and we're talking about shootouts, it's gonna be a

shootout where both teams got a chance to really out shoot each other, out dog each other. It's about really who wants it more at that point. My dog, my toughest player is 6'1". And other team best players... Allen Iverson was the... Allen Iverson was the toughest guy on his team. But he took him to the place. He took him to the place. And I know you're not comparing. I'm not.

I'm just saying height. I'm saying 6'1". When you say height, you can't just push that out the way and be like, just because he that. It's not the size. It was all in the fight. You remember when I said, oh, he reminds me of IT. And all New York people got offended? Shit, IT got offended.

I'm an all-NBA player. I'm a two-time All-Star. Like, come on, don't do that. And I'm just saying, you know, you just remind me of how you dominated. Don't get me wrong. They can go in the playoffs. They can go in the playoffs, go to the second round. Cool.

Nothing wrong with it. But they're not competing for nothing right now with the current line. I'm not saying that they is. I agree with you, but as far as them sneaking in, getting the way that they need to get in. If you're a fourth seed, you're sneaking in. If you're a fourth seed. But is that a successful season for this team and this roster? Yes.

Second round. For New York fans? For New York fans, it's a problem. For New York fans, this is a perfect team for you Gritty grindy gritty get you to the first round to the second round. Yeah, y'all out who we did good a fight it like sure I thought y'all cuz y'all a big city y'all will hope for more But if that's what y'all like first second round y'all got the fucking perfect team But if you're saying that what they doing that without a true star, they're definitely cheering for that.

They're like, man, we got to the second round and we ain't got no big guy. We only got our two guys. So it's like, yo, like I said, if they add another piece... They're going to be in the second round. If they add a star, if they add a number one option,

then they're more dangerous because they have a number one option. Phoenix added Kevin Durant and still didn't go to the house What does that say about adding a number one player or a star don't mean shit? It's just best if you'll start on taking to the fucking chip They don't take you there. So it really don't mean nothing to my in my sense when you say oh we got it We got Kevin Durant. We should go all the way to the place

You didn't who they lose to in the second round last year Who your sons? No, New York Miami Spirited heat. How can someone ask me? Huh, it was a see right so the New York was favorite and he lost to a Better second option in Jimmy Butler. So Jimmy is the second option Where he's looking for that number one option that can come in and relieve Jimmy was second option who Jimmy is a Jimmy's a second Jimmy Jimmy's a second option Jimmy's a dog but Jimmy don't wanna my Jimmy shows up in the fourth quarter we know that

but we can't say that he's still not the number one option when when so where's he at when when he played with him be a hero takes more shots in Jimmy but yeah Tyler hero takes more shots in Jimmy, but yeah Tyler hero takes more shots, right? He's trying to find someone that gives it to you Did you just know what I just said? No, I get no Tyler hero takes more shots, but he's taking more shots cuz Jimmy don't wanna take the shot So there I'm the number one option, but I don't want to shoot the ball They don't sound they don't it don't but that's what that Miami that's Miami She for just what we call oxymoron. That's why I went to fucking Boston with my team. I said look I can't handle Jimmy not wanting to be number one

That's why when he was with him be that's why I'm be was still hurting like doll. This is the perfect motherfucker I needed with me right him right that's the this is this is my Scotty Pippen who has Fourth-quarter cheer and bam right I have fourth quarter traits. So what happened is And I guarantee you in that series Brunson played very well. I'm pretty sure right because he's the type of player because he has nobody widow Right out of Brunson do we got think the point you're making it's not a knock to Brunson to say Oh, just like it's not a knock to Jimmy Butler. Just like it wasn't a knock to Brunson to say that. No, no. Just like it's not a knock to Jimmy Butler. Just like it wasn't a knock to Kevin Garnett.

Out of a basketball player. Right? When he went to Boston, guess what he was? What was he? A one-time champion. No, no, no. What was he?

What option was he when he went to Boston? Three. Okay. So if I said, Kevin Garnett is an option three on the championship, I hope nobody would get offended.

Nobody should. Nobody would get offended. So he's the number one option. He goes there and he realizes, okay, I got him. I got him. I can go ahead and be. That's what when Brutson win his championship. Trust me, sir.

He will not be the number one option. He won't. When he wins, and I can say, because he's a win, he will not be the number one option, because if he is your number one option, him is your number one option, what is he going up against? Because remember, he's not even, what guard is he in the NBA right now? Would you say he's a star in this league, though? A what?

A star, Gil. Well, you got to work that. He will make the awesome. You got to work that. You love doing that. When you know what it means, you be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what does it mean? When you say star, there's not a lot of stars in the NBA. He will make the all-star team. You know what I'm saying?

There's not a lot of stars in the NBA. But he will be on the all-star teamstar team like stars is like Kevin when all the stars go to Indianapolis to play He will have one well you saying being an all-star that's not a star that's an all-star It's all-stars like stars as Bradley bill a star. No, he's an all-star. Okay Booker is a star. He's sitting there on urge He said he said Bill is star. No, he's an all-star. Okay, Booker is a star. He's sitting there on urge. I think he's sitting there. Is Jalen Brown a star? No. I think off-court stuff with Booker has made him into that. Yeah. He's a star. He's a star. It makes you think about it. is Donovan Mitchell a star. No

So you see where I'm gonna you see the different no He's not a star and then but to that point cuz I've shared by a very very definite So if it was your best play, you ain't winning nothing. We have two superstars in it to Mm-hmm. Who are those two superstars in your book right now? Steph and LeBron. Mm-hmm Those are there at the superstar to you right now Like super like it's a whole different guy. It's a whole different category job. So Kevin Durant's not a superstar He's Luca Luca. Don't you just not a super? He's creeping into that. Okay. No, there's not a superstar Yannis is not a dog. It's not even a Giannis is not a superstar

Joker's not even a Joker's not even a true star yet. So y'all still calling LeBron James a superstar? He is. Do you know what a superstar is? A superstar has nothing to do with the basketball itself. He is. Like John Morant, like there's categories, right? John Morant is in the superstar road tier because he can move product and all that.

Ant-Man's not a superstar? He's in the superstar road. So let me put it in layman terms, right? So you drive on the highway at this bitch, right? So to the far right we got what? That's the slow lane, right? You know, there's a bunch of bed Pat mm-hmm

Next lane to that. Okay, it's a little less. Mm-hmm. Then you got the third lane I meanhuh. Right? Then the fourth lane is the fast lane, right? Uh-huh, yeah. And then you got the HOV lane, right? Ooh, yeah, you got to be special to get in that motherfucker. You got to have somebody with you. Yeah, you got to have somebody with you in that motherfucker, right? Uh-huh, you can't get in that motherfucker. So somebody with you is the accolades and everything that these dudes has accomplished, right?

I'm in the fast lane. We can go the same speed, but it might be another car in front of you so you mean to tell me that Giannis is not in the HOV lane as Superstar as a super yes as a superstar Y'all selling me Giannis is not in the HOV lane Oh, that's the best in the oh my god You mean to tell me Joker's not in the HOV lane with his horse? He don't want to be.

He's in the fucking home, but he's there. It ain't about what you want. It's about what I can do. If I want to go, if I want to drive in the HOV lane, I can. He's in the, he, like he said. I got horses. I don't want to be in here. No, but he's in the slow lane with his motherfucking horses.

But if he wanted to go over here. Hey, I like this. If he wanted to go over here. Hey, I like this. If he wanted to go over here. No. Y'all know that the Nass is not in the HOV lane? All hours of the day.

I don't know, guys. I don't know, guys. I'm just saying. Do you know where to start? I don't know, man. Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, T-Mac, those were superstars. Megastars. Who they are.

Me, I'm an all-star. There's nothing I can, no matter what I did, I can't get in that goddamn lane. Kobe's a superstar. Let's name him, though. Gilbert, you were on your way.

No. If that doesn't happen to you and you your way. No, listen to me. Yes. No. Yes. If that doesn't happen to you and you don't get injured, bro, you're on your way. No, everybody's not superstars. In the last 25 years, let's name them. Superstars.

Last 25? 25 years. Since 2000. Since 2000. 2000. Superstars. All right, we got Allen Iverson. Mm-hmm Vince Carter Tracy McGrady Wade

LeBron Kobe Shaq Yao mean Yao mean hurt the though Tim Duncan and dirt. No, no Navy. No, no Navy fits. No, no And me I get to look up here and look at the jerseys I'm to read the drugs all based on what you're in a base on your jerseys. No, so we're basing super stardom Basically, what I'm saying is I can look at the jerseys and then look at the names and then I can tell you so you like Nash, I got some the teeter of that. Guys that's on the teeter of that. Hard Westbrook. Yeah, those are teetering.

Okay. Yeah. That sounds biased. It sounds biased to me. It just sounds very biased based on who you guys like. No, no. Yes. Here you go.

Yes, because everybody's list is different based on superstars. I disagree with you I in my in my position, right a Superstar was Steve Francis Interesting I'm better than him. I'm playing better to him, but I don't have the mojo and the shit that he came with He is the superstar He has the superstar lane. No matter if he's driving it fast or driving it slow, that's what the superstar looked like. So when you look at him getting votes, he can average 16 points a game and be voted an all-star game because he was a superstar.

So how does a superstar not get, like, Steph is a superstar, but he's not a starter in an all-star game? Because he got replaced. Because he got because they got replaced Because it should be undeniable the Place the fans didn't get replaced have more points just I don't do this that we're talking about we talk about superstars. No, I'm gonna do is that right? Of course that's a little this is we're talking about superstars, right? These are people people with people look at right Luke is not a superstar to you then cuz he's creeping Luke Luke is creeping into superstar. Luke. Luke had close to more than a million votes instead He's only TV's more than what he's in the James Harden, Westbrook, Luka, Giannis.

It's that group. Luka's not a superstar. Giannis is not a superstar. Giannis is teetering. What the fuck does teetering mean? Devin Booker's teetering. What's that mean? What does that mean?

They in the fast lane. Just like y'all said, what a skill. I'm like, tell me what teetering means. Tell me what on the fast. I just gave it to you. Tatum is in the superstar lane. No matter what Jalen Brown does, he can never get in this HOV lane. So Tatum is a superstar?

Yes. Your guys only said there was two superstars. No, what I'm saying is he's in the lane of being winning. So when we're talking about who's the face of the NBA Do anybody ever say Jokic or Tatum has to enter to an ash Jersey in the league and I number two in sales Of course cuz he's Cuz he's a superstar is he in the super because he's a superstar superstar training Jason Tatum is a superstar cuz he has a number two the Jersey's number two. You're saying it like you're saying like you're saying something You saying he's tinkering. I'm saying

What are you talking about Jason Taylor I just said what I said he's in a fast lane of superstar Jalen Brown can't ever get in that list. That's what I just said. So you're speaking it this you're speaking it louder No, I'm not no, you're pretend when I asked you it is Jason Tatum was a superstar you said yes And then I was like, but you guys just said there was only two soup. He's in the house Now you're saying he's in the superstar Lane John Moran is in a superstar Lane. So is he a superstar or not? He's in a superstar. Yeah, you saying the ladies in this superstar But he's in the yes or no He's in the superstar lane. Yes or no? Is he a superstar or not? I don't give a

fuck about the lane he's in. What lane is he in? What lane is he in? What lane did I say he's in? Carlos, what's going on here? You can't just give me an answer? You just can't say yes or no? What lane is he in that I just said? How many times? Did you say the superstar lane? Okay, thank you. Right, so when we talk about lane, he's in the HOV.

We're not talking about lane. John Moran is in the HOV Lane. That's the superstar. That is the mega star Lane. But he's not a superstar. Y'all say there's only two superstars in the league. LeBron James, Steph Curry. Everyone else is in the lane. I'm asking how is it that these other guys are not in the same lane as these other two guys? Because they're not LeBron James Steph Curry. That's how. What lane is LeBron in? HOV, right?

What lane is... He's in the OLD lane. Okay, whatever. Curry. What lane is Curry in? OLD. OLD. Sit your ass down, man. Just because you sound like you're on repeat, don't change it. Right?

He's on. He's on. These might be the first two cars in the HOV lane, but it's a lane of where the superstars hang out at. Like, different door. Right? There's just some people in this world that has more. They have the it. So that would be that would be considered mega stars. Yeah. Yeah Oh, yeah, so okay. Okay. Just can't be a mega star. He can he be a superstar though? No

Leave it get Luca Okay, Yana Luca has the personality Luca has the look so what would you call Joker if he can't be a superstar just a star? He's just a star You know, you know like you know how like Magic Johnson, you know the charisma that he had it put him in front of a Whole lot of other players that was better than him because he has it I thought it was his finals appearances and performances in it But maybe that's just me. But the Magic Johnson Theater, too, puts him over in another category. CGI Friday.

Unlimited Strawberry Soldiers Guild. Had a booby theater. Waffle fries. In the hood with no issues. Hey, hey, hey. How about this? Who is a better player? Him or Bird?

You know my feelings towards Magic Johnson. Who's the better player, him or Bird? You know my feelings towards Magic Johnson. Who's the better player, him or Bird? If you had to give one megastar and one a regular star, who gets which one? Okay. There's different tiers. Who gets a Gil? Yeah, who gets a Gil? Who gets megastar? Walk off again. I'm trying to make you walk off again.

Who gets megastar? I'm trying to make you walk. It's a mate who gets mega star I'm trying to make you walk off again because I know um, I know Boston would consider him a megastar Just like how LA would consider magical make a star the world considers Both of them make us when was the last time you heard besides you cuz you put anybody in the top two What was the last time y'all heard bird in the top ten? Have you noticed magic Johnson has never failed? They both stopped in the same years, but yeah, I remember like Magic Johnson was retired and they voted him in all-star game Who was bird get voted in that all-star game? Yeah bad bag. Yeah

No, no, I didn't say nothing about no bad bag. I'm pretty sure the other one was probably I'm pretty sure the other one was probably I'm pretty sure the other ones were way worse at that time. But I'm saying who did the fans vote into the All-Star game that year? Did Bird get into that motherfucking? No, no, no, no. Just saying, man. There's a difference. There's levels.

Superstars, megastars. I think we got more superstars than we do anything. There's no. You can't put just because you're good. Like again, I'm averaging 29 My stardom was capped off if if Steve Francis was averaging 29. Oh trust me. God. Damn it He was in a whole nother lane and category than I was but yeah It ain't close you're after 29 or withers if you're after 29 on the next 29 of the Lakers

Would you've gone to that? Superstar to I think I had the person like a good ass question That's a good ass trap question cuz he can't even answer that I'm trying to answer if you just shut the fuck up He can't I'm baby. He can't But you had the personality and a person after shoe. I had the personality. I had to shoe I'm in Washington. It's a big market, but I didn't have If you were in LA I feel like you would open up movie theaters in the San Fernando Valley Yeah, but there's a work works and there's a some again, but you see how I can rip this

This is the problem with him. I can recognize what a megastar looks like versus me I keep trying to tell you, I'm a regular star. Make an all-star game, make an all-star. Like, here, this is. When you average 29 a game, trust me, a megastar does not get snubbed from the all-star game. No, but he said if you were in New York,

if you were in a bigger city, would you have been a superstar? No, you can't. That city don't make you. You are the superstar, not the city. You. You. But not the city. You. You. But does the city help?

John Morant in New York or... He, him, his aura is superstar. But does the city help? I'm just saying everything. The city helps you get noticed, but it doesn't change you to superstar. Like whatever, like Michael Vick, right? Superstar. But I don't give a fuck where he is.

If he was with the fucking Browns, he's a superstar. Super. Like you said, Jai Memphis. He's a superstar right now. Small market. Does he get any more credit or deserve any more credit for being able to do that and escape the limits and the constraints of being in the small market? What I'm saying is if he's in a different market, he's a megastar. Okay.

He's a superstar. Bigger market, he's mega. Like LeBron James, superstar. He goes to bigger market, he's a mega star. Right? It's a difference. I'm a star. Get to all-star.

I can't get to superstar. Is LeBron a mega star in any market, though? He was a mega star in any market. He was. Okay. Just asking. But Giannis, not a superstar. In Cleveland.

In Cleveland. I understand him. In Cleveland. What he did for that city. That's what I'm saying. It's you. Giannis, say it again. Giannis is not a superstar.

Giannis is not a superstar. I don't think so. Doc Rivers. Okay, how about this? Is Dame a superstar? No. Okay. You see how we can recognize it either?

No matter how many motherfuckers you throw out, we can... Okay, how about this? Is Dame a superstar? No. Okay. You see how we can recognize it? No matter how many motherfuckers you throw out, we can... No, you're saying it right off the cuff. Because we got motherfuckers watching. Everybody watching. So we just get to put this on paper, document it. Gil said these motherfuckers is not superstars. Document it.

You know, like Trey Young right now is not a superstar, right? You know, when you start moving motherfuckers out, yeah, we gon' like... You see how they recognizing who the next up and coming, because they switching the motherfuckers in and out. There was a reason that the NBA started adding this extra shit so they can start moving motherfuckers around like chess pieces. Is Halliburton a superstar? No.

Is he a star? Yes. But Halliburton can't get to that superstar. Love no net Hmm could give don't get to that. You don't get you are that you're so sorry You are a superstar so when be like, okay, how about this since y'all don't know How does he get to be a starter in the all-star game? How about this? He can't reject her. I did who is more pop two small city teams, right? Too small city same position who is bigger

fan wise in the sense of celebrity NISM lamello ball or Halliburton Yeah, but but but my ass Who is bigger him or Lonzo ball you just say that shit to go opposite beer whose book who's bigger lamella ball or Lonzo ball bigger lamella or Alonzo lamella He has something right. He has it. You don't know what it is, but he has it. He didn't go to college.

But he didn't do it because he was 13. He didn't go to college. Again, you do not know what it is. He's the Michael Jackson of the LeVar Balls crew. And there was a reason that he was not being pushed, like Melo, like Lonzo and Jello. Y'all never noticed that he never pushed the little one. Yes, he did. They were showing him shooting from half court. They made him skip the grade and play varsity.

He was shooting from half court. He was literally showing LaMelo. He was shooting from half court. He was like 12, 13 years old. With the janky overbite, they made him play varsity. Cool. So LaMelo Ball got the same push that Lonzo Ball and Jello Ball got. He got the benefit from playing underneath.

He had his own shoes, his own water, all that shit. He got the same push. Like when we say push, like all three of them got push. Who got the least of the push? Jello. No, Jello was out there. What are you talking about? Military prisoner workouts.

No, man. LaMelo got the smallest push because LaMelo was a star. he didn't need to push him. He didn't need to sell him He knew he was a Lamborghini. So he didn't need to sell that Lamborghini He didn't need to sell the Lamborghini that man went over wait. He went to overseas everybody. Oh sure Yeah, he he came back. He played in some janky Ashley. Nobody knew what the fuck league it was He created a leagueinky-ass league. Nobody knew what the fuck league it was. He created a league for him. The JBA, show some respect to LeVar Ball and the JBA. It's a Ferrari. I mean, it's a Lamborghini. I don't need to sell it. It's going to sell itself.

But isn't that called pushing it if you're telling everybody we're over here and we're over there? But LaMelo was also the most outspoken of that crew. Lonzo, quiet until his rap career started. Jello kind of just, you know, in his cup. But LaMelo, very early on, those Facebook Lives as we all know. And he hit the growth spurt that actually helped Tony become more marketable and he had to push him now. But you didn't push him.

He was just it. You don't need to push. It's it. It's it. All right. So how many number one picks? What was that? Aiden, right?

Number one pick. did he get pushed? No, I don't have it Arizona. You know, how about that Marvin Bagley? Also from Arizona. You don't have it was from the rookie year He don't have it How we can I just don't have it? Yeah, just don't name the guys who didn't pay Just don't name the guys who didn't pan out. Just don't name the guys who didn't pan out. Name the guys who panned out and had it.

We can say it from the beginning. Name the third person in Zion and John Morant's class. Of course, who? R.J. Barrett. R.J. Barrett, right? R.J. Barrett was ranked in front of Zion, right? Him and Cam Reddish. Remember that, right?

From day one, who did the NBA push? What two players and what two players only? Yeah, because they had it. Oh, my. Well, let's talk about a team that's looking for it. The Doc Rivers era officially began with the Bucks on Monday night in Denver. Rivers made his head coaching debut in the wake of Adrian Griffin's firing. May or may not have been some dirty macking.

Our sources are still trying to cover the information. Bucks took an L. Doc has admitted- Wait, he took an L? The Bucks did not win. They lost to the Nuggets. Damn. So they won without a coach. Nobody. Nobody. Dancing and dancing. Yeah, that's dancing. And be free. Like I told you, they danced for every game. That dance had a little bit more lean and wiggle on it. Win on three. One, two, three. So Doc has admitted taking

over at this point in the season is going to be a challenge, but it's a challenge that he's running towards. Should teams fear the deer with Doc running things now? Hey, I heard Keidra Perkins was looking for us, but the funny part of it is he said he wants to talk to us about Doc, and then they asked him a question and said, do you believe in the books? He said no. At that point, whatever you got to say to me, you'd understand.

We both on the same page. We both on the same page. Kedrick Perkins, Kedrick, pull up to the arena. Well, I'm just saying. Kedrick, pull up. Because I guess how we talked about Doc, so he disagreed with how we talked about it, I'm sure. But we both agreed that, yeah, we do not believe

So let's add Keejri to the list of pretty pronounced names ready to Keejri might be my favorite. Yeah Still gotta play basketball games man I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying, the team is bigger than the coach. Did you fear that squad with Adrian Griffin running things? I don't feel like, and that's no disrespect to Adrian Griffin, but... They still have the same team, but Adrian Griffin never got a chance to blow nothing. No leads or trick a series off.

So I'm just speaking facts here, unfortunately. He barely got a Christmas. Right? Right. So there's nothing to judge. He barely got a secret sentence. Fear them with Adrian, the coach or not, don't know. There's nothing to gauge it on.

But we have a resume of... Yeah. Let's try it this way. There's not one team in the playoffs, and I'm just going to be honest. If we were coaches, right, and we're coaching against Doc Rivers in the playoffs, and he's up 3-1, there's not one coach that he will be going against

that will say, ah, this is going to be our last game. We got a chance. We got a chance. We get this next one, we get just the next one and make it 3-2, the series favors us.

There's no, there's nothing, like there's no, there's like, he is probably going in the playoffs probably the weakest playoff coach with the most with the most with the most experience hmm because that how about this I'm a shooter right I had 12 we're going to the next one. I guarantee you. What? That's one nigga we ain't fearing. Uh-huh.

That's what you're thinking, right? That's his resume. You're the last person. 3-1, 3-1, 3-1, 3-2. There's nothing in your resume that shows dominance and you're going to take over. So as long as we have games, your resume goes in our favor. Look, the old days are the old days. One of the Bucs' biggest problems this season has been defense.

I think they're currently 19th in defensive rating. Doc has had moderate success on the defensive side. Cap. I need to say that, Gil, so let me bring it to the forefront. Boston had a good defensive. I was going to say Boston, they had a great team to have defense. 18-19 Clippers were 19th, so support you. 18-19 what?

2019-2020. Hold on, hold on. Say that again. Don't gloss over it, say that again. Yeah, I said it very loud. Okay, the 18-19. I'm going to get some candy. No, I'm just asking you, the 18-19 team, he was coaching. I'm just asking the 1819 team. He was coaching that right 19th in defense

All right, he was coaching that okay It was also the coach of the 2019 2020 Clippers that were fit who they get who they get that made them fifth You tell me go shoot. Now who they get? Who they get? Oh shit. They got two defensive players Kawhi and PG that has nothing to do with die. Okay, Doc Rivers locked in though I'm not tricky did not squander. Yeah Okay, I'm not here I'm not ESPN analyst Nothing to do with Doc. Okay. Doc Rivers locked in, though. Did not trick it. Did not squander it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm not here. I'm not ESPN analyst, guys.

I got you. You were not Kedrick. Yeah, let's keep trying this. Go again. Now, come on. You were G-Drick. Come on. Let's see what happened after.

2020, 2021, every second. Mm-hmm. This slid to 12. Okay. The next season. Last season, they were eight. Okay. That's what y'all got for me?

Mm-hmm. Okay. Ooh. Lucky for me, I do my own research. Nope. Give me the notebook Okay, so Orlando yeah Orlando when he won a coach of the year right his offense was 22 his defense was 9 Usually with doc every year gets worse right the following year 10th

Following year 16th then 20th and then when he got fired his team was 29th press the hairline through all of it 29 and i think back then right i don't know how many teams we had back then was there 20 he was 29 when he got fired, okay show up Hmm Okay, we want to go we want go Boston so Boston right 2005 2006 he's the coach right 20 they ring 20th. Mm-hmm then 16. Uh-huh. Then they got yeah, Kevin Garnett right defensive. Yeah, they got him and then they got a Ray Allen then they went to one Mm-hmm in two in five one and seven but their offense 27 24

28 Yeah, okay. So let's talk about the clip. I got a reverse it Clipper days Before he got there it was Vin Vinny, right? Vinny the Black? Yep. Vinny's record was 40-26, 4th, 18th on defense. And then Vinny was in 2012-2013, his team was 56-26. That's pretty damn good. He was 4th and 8th and got fired. That's crazy.

He got fired with 56. Doc came in. Especially for the Clippers. You do that. The team I was on. Yeah, so Doc came in, won one more game. Offense was one. Defense was nine.

So there was eight before Doc got there, ninth. Then the next year, 15th. So they went, again, 15. They went to nine and 15. It was hard in LA. Nine and 15. So they went, you know, again, 15. They went to 9 and 15. It was hard in L.A. 9 and 15. Then they bumped up to 6. Then 12th, 20, 21. What the fuck are we talking about here?

What defense does he stand on? Can you play for Doug? Defensive players he bring in. Oh, you did not. Okay. I'm just, I'm just. He got that. He got a fire Vinny. He was on the Vinny team. We was four and eight

Yeah, that was good team. Yeah, I don't know another Make the second round I'm trying to figure out where where where yeah, you ripped the book. I'm known that's just not real I'm just trying to figure out what business is he standing on and has something to defense when it clearly shows Hmm I'm just trying to figure out what business is he standing on and has something to defense when it clearly shows Somebody retrieve gila tiki punch, please I'm just I'm just saying we can look at we can look at whatever stats we want to to make it sound good But reality is reality. I'm just saying.

You can make it sound as good. We can go back the next five years. Also, you're going to go and the team that has Ben Simmons, who was all NBA defense, and he gets to inherit this defensive squad. What happens when he's there? When he gets there, obviously, shit starts to tank defensive squad. What happens when he's there? When he gets there, obviously, shit starts to tank defensively. The solution is

to make a trade for some defense. For the Bucs? Yeah. I mean, they made a trade for some offense. So, Doc, you run his numbers back up. I mean, as I said, we can look at it either

way you want to look at it. Last year, defense was here. Defense here, offense was here. This year, flip-flop. So if they really wanted to stand on defense, then they would have just kept the same team they had. But obviously, their offense wasn't that good when they needed it, so they just flipped it. But my question is this. Okay, if Adrian Griffin was asking for more accountability on the defensive end and they fire him just so They wouldn't have to do that and they bring in a guy more offensive minded. Does that work for the Bucks?

They didn't they didn't nobody listen the the defensive end that they need to be better on defense was media push No, it was the media saying that dumb defensive shit. No, it was like that was the stats Well, if anybody if and it went to 22. That was the stats. It was fifth and went to 19. They're 19th right now. They're 19th right now. Yeah.

Last year from five to 19 now. That's a big deal. Yeah, yeah. And their offense was the same and it went to two. But we're talking about defense. We're talking about better team. Specifically, the reason Adrian had a problem was because of the defense. No, that's everybody had a problem with him.

Because he wanted accountability for the defense. Why we ain't playing no defense? But his team, this team this year, is statistically better than last year's team. Defensively? Period. I ain't talking about period. Period! I don't give a fuck if you want defense number one, but your offense is like, okay, defense

is number one, but your offense is 30th, and you're losing every game, but you get to stand on defense? Which team is better? Statistically, this year's team is two points better overall than team last year. He got fired because of personal problems. They personally didn't like him personally. Right. When you talk about defense, it should show you that you're telling me that Drew Holiday, Drew Holiday himself impacted the defense to the point where they went from 4 to 19, but you have a first You have your big man his first team or second team all defense Yannis is mad He didn't get it because he felt he was the great defensive player last year the year before that he was on the first team

So you're telling me all that defense in the back line and they dropped that far off Yeah, cuz you lost a frontline line defender. You lost a back court defender. You lost a back court defender. All NBA defenders. That Jimmy Butler was laughing at. That's one player. That ain't the whole NBA. One player laughing at him. You got the best of me, bro.

Listen, you're 6'9". Okay, I get it. I'm 6'3.5". Okay, look, you should be laughing at me, but look, everybody else scared of me. I'm all NBA. What's up? Oh, y'all got rid of me Sort of okay guess guess well guess where I'm at now and guess what we at Guess what team I'm on now and where are we ranked? Thank you very much, but very good tape. That's crazy because nobody in paying attention to drew holiday Nobody even talked about him. We talked about the Boston Celtics though number one

Sacrifice for that what I'm saying is has anybody has any report has any report? Did you this is your team has any report? Said damn since we got drew our defense has been elite. As in the report? Yeah, you know how they report in Dame? Oh, shit, our defense is worse. No, I don't think the Boston Celtics work like that. Yeah, I know. I think we work as a unit, and it's like, yeah, team success is our success.

It's we, not me. But it's not you, but it's you when you leave. It's crazy how you do that. It's crazy how you do that. When we pointed out that then we're... We were winning when I was on the team. We just got our guy got hurt and then I fired our

coach and then we broke the team apart. We 30 and 13. Talking about when Drew was there and they lost to Miami because y'all say Giannis got hurt. Y'all broke that team up. Now I'm on another team and we number one. We not me. It was we not me when I was with y'all.

Are we going to the Lakers-Bucks game when they come out here in March? Are we going to the Lakers-Bucks game so you can just boo-dock the whole game? We get some content Mmm Hey is your show you could not does this one ass, you know, cuz you use the Boston Celtics fan, right? Oh, I hear coming Stat man stat. Yeah, you man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's... Okay, so... Why y'all so wild? Can't we just have one day where we all get along? Hmm.

Y'all are entertaining today. No, I'm just... I'm just... I'm just wondering. I'm just... I'm just curious. Is the internet just I'm just wondering I'm just just just just I'm just curious Is the internet moving right is it is moving fast enough? No, I'm just curious that you know, Boston is The worst defensively this year than they were last year if why but you said overall their number what? They say overall remember we're not just talking about defense. Overall.

Why should I respect your overall when you didn't respect it when I used it? Because you're saying it. You're saying it now. I'm just using your shit. I'm just using your shit. You're saying overall. So is my shit right or wrong? Now you get to go.

It depends on when you're saying it. Yeah. So when I'm saying it for me, it's wrong. When I'm saying it for you, it's right. Pretty much. Okay. All right. So when I'm saying it for me, it's wrong. When I'm saying it for you, it's right. Pretty much. Okay. All right. So, yeah.

So, Boston is... Boston is a better team this year, even though they're a point-dash-worst defensively this year. But they're a better team. Right? Bucs is overall a better team this year, even though their defense slipped, but their offense

has dived in. You see how that works? No, I do. You see how I'm right on both of them? Yeah, you fucking have my ticket plug. No, I'm just saying, you see how I'm right on both? Right? So, you know, if you say I'm wrong, then obviously Boston would be. I can't wait to take the show to Milwaukee. I'm just saying, he can't fall under that guillotine.

You see how I get him like that? Ooh, the guillotine. That's a segment. Who ain't know you, Josiah? I'm transisting. Transition can happen at any moment. Mm-hmm. Now let's move on.

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download the Underdog Fantasy app. Use promo code GIL. They will match your first deposit up to $100. So you can do pick-ems on the Bucks, the Celtics, your favorite superstars, stars, HOV land. Oh,V line oh my favorite no no I'm five big man all right first question is from underdog user Braylon OTE brother making a lot of money off this show and I appreciate you brother I know it's gonna start another debate so if y'all want to stretch out, prep

yourself. Start, bench, cut. Amari Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, or LaMarcus Aldridge? Let's see if we can get one agreement. If we get one agreement, underdog. I'm not judging on them motherfuckers. I used to play against some niggas and I locked that shit up Fuck yeah With the angry voice Look all the niggas you gotta pick a whole new three, bro So this conversation is not for me. Oh shit. Kenyon going with the rare cut, cut, cut. That's good. That's very rare.

I never had to guard him so I don't... So who's the three again? Amar Stoudemire, Chris Bosch, LaMarcus Aldridge. Mm. Mm-mm-mm. Are you reconsidering your cut? No. Okay, I'll cut, cut, cut. Go ask him to wait. So go ask him to start a team.

When you want him to ask him. The best players, who do you like? Chris Bosch, Aldridge, and Amari. Of the people when I played, that probably had the most because he had Steve Nash. Yeah, but see that's what I'm saying. He had Steve Nash. What is it without? Dude, I'm...

But doesn't every big need a good PG? Stat was a fucking man child, man. Yeah. He was a fucking man child. Monster. Monster. Yeah, absolutely. Now, Stat, don't take fucking manchild monster and I'm monster Absolutely. No, no, don't take me now. All three of those dudes had great career before it's wrong I all three of them do have great careers

But don't don't don't get it twisted Well, you gotta take the bite you gotta take your because you know, you know you and we know you I wouldn't even put That would I know the matchup so I wouldn't even put that wouldn't I know the matchup So I wouldn't even be like a man when I compared Kenyan guard them niggas. It's like yeah, that's just You you yeah, we can't put you in there. Yeah, but outside of that like I'm starting Amari I'm bitchin CB4 Chris Bosh and then I'm cutting the Marcus

And this I mean CB4, Chris Bosh, and then I'm cutting to Marcus. And it's, I mean... Gil, you're going to go with the cut, cut, cut. I see you. I see the phone turning with the pristine Wi-Fi. Gil, you got your own Wi-Fi in the house. You didn't tell none of us about. Instant connection. Because they're all different.

Yeah, very different. The moment people have been waiting for star bench cut Chris was nasty this was nasty Amari but Amari I mean okay so the Marcus was a post player that you can actually give the ball to and then he did what he did mm-hmm right so you can all fails you can all fail. You can, hey, throw the ball down there. Please give me a bucket. Absolutely.

Bosh, mid-post type guy, free throw, pump fake. Amari, he didn't have a post move. You couldn't throw the ball down to him in the post. Left shoulder jump hook. Left shoulder jump hook. Face shot. Yeah. For the most part, his danger came like Blake Griffin.

Pick and roll, you detach from him, dump it, dunk it. He started making the 15, 17 foot more consistently. You got to add all of that together. We're putting it all together, right? I think you could throw the ball in the CB, and he can get you a bucket. He didn't. Amari not going to give you a consistent bucket like throw it down there, but he going to man shot like he's going to play Griffin. He going to out athletic you.

He's an athlete. He going to try to get that bucket quick jumping and all that shit. So it's tough for all three of them. I'm probably Bosh to start probably Bosh

Altridge and then cut Amari because I need someone who can get Amari to ball even though he's fucking

man child like it's tough yeah as long as I can get him to ball he's biased, dog. Okay. You need a point guard.

But I'm just, because I, like, if I'm a dude, it's bad, man. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to keep saying that all three of them dudes, they gave the league fits in their own respective way. Right? But. But like the great MJ said, you had no problem. No, no, because, see, just hear me out. When I'm guarding dudes, right, if I'm playing you,

like me and Stat, we went at it because we had great point guards earlier on. We both were doing what we did, right? If we lined up, right, I'm pushing Stat left, can't go left, making him do certain things, right? I'm guarding Chris Bosh. Mm-hmm. He ain't got no right blinker in his car. Mm-hmm. Just saying.

I'm being physical as fuck with him. He's not going... It wasn't the same energy each night. Right. I can get after him, and I did a lot of nights. Did his thing some nights, facing up, jump shots. Don't get me wrong, but no. Nothing to the basket. No.

And out of the words of LaMarcus Argers' mouth, man, I be busting these dudes' ass in this league. You? Man, I ain't never got the best of you. I hit him on his ass that you never will young fella Good luck But you know so therefore not this is great player from Dallas all that much much love to every one of them Lamarcus from the hood From the house all that. Yes, great. Yeah, but I'm not um You want to put cut star shit? I'm gonna put myself in the fucking conversation, right?

Well, so that's just all it is for me. You tell me who my point how for it is I'll tell you who I won't look up and how for doing it. I know My bad, I respect it. Yeah, okay. You do whatever you want on the show. It's not anybody doing I'm just not I'm dudes bad men, but they gave the league fits. They stood on what they did for their team. They made who they are. Trust me. But I'm just in a different space. Amari was my class and I seen him first hand. Like, the development and all that shit. And Steve Nash or without Steve Nash, whoever the fuck was going to get him the ball, move the fuck out the way.

That motherfucker's on the way. What's so funny is I had him in Jordan camp, right? I had him in Jordan camp, and dude tried to dunk everything. Like, if he was in the paint and had the ball, he tried to dunk it. 2000, was it 2002, 2003? That summer right draft

We got the third pick and I'm like, you'll get that Amari kid. I Said what the way we play right shit. He soon as he touched the paint. He's trying to dunk. Absolutely All right. That's as soon as he touched the paint. I said I had him at Jordan camp and trust me This motherfucker is gonna be nice There's our non. That's not who we looking for. We need Michael don't Damn So he was a Jordan camp the year before I was cuz the next year it was the Marcus Al Jefferson

They was at Jordan camp and that's when I seen them too for the first time. Oh, yeah, I was there with yeah him too, yeah, I was there with, yeah. Him too. Yeah. Biggs is hard because it's like, you know, I go for like. I think I hated you. Like, you know, when you're talking about like first pick. Now, you know, like when I say first pick is Morris, who has to hold their own if I don't have anybody else on my team? We have some side combos going on.

Oh, yeah. But very important to the. No, I would love to have them. No, man, I would love to have them conversation. Get me in the room with all the powerful. Some side combos going on. Oh very very important to the Know him and I would love to have them conversation. Give me in the room with all the powerful I would love to have them conversation, but I would Know are you taking all their cornbread? No, you take no corn. We got your own cornbread. I want your cornbread Hey, oh I would like to go home. We all got our own space. I don't want you going home. I don't want you going home. That's a great conversation to have with guys, your peers, who you played against,

being the guards that was in the league that was, have those conversations and let's stand on business. You suck their defense, you suck their defense, you suck their defense. Let's start our battle at times. We all going to feel different. Conversations and let's stand on visit defense you suck that defense you saw that time though. So is Like we all gonna feel Absolutely, it was nice though Chris Bosh Amari Lamarcus. Audrey. Feel free to pull up to gills arena. Keep your Perkins Feel free to pull up to give us a reading So we have some things to discuss cuz all right the same thing. I know y'all watching the show, too. I know your producers are as well.

And thank you. Bad, bad man, dog. Next, we got a video question from Underdog User Quash21. Quash21. What's up, Gil? So my question of the day is, who is your favorite role player slash glue guy to play with? And when I say role player,

I'm not talking about someone that can go to another team and be a number one option. I'm talking about a legit role player, like a Corey Brewer or a P.J. Tucker, anybody like that. So who's your favorite guy to play with and why? Mine was Jared Jeffries, a legend. Right? Like, in our offense, you know, we had Jared at the shooting guard position.

Because Karan wanted to be the three, he didn't want to be the two. So you know, Jared was one of those all-purpose guys that, like, actually made our lineup legit because he's the shooting guard on offense that don't really He's not really part of the offense and then on a defensive end right? He's the Three four Depending on you know who's out there right here go from garden Okay, so if I'm getting my ass busted by you know J Kid go guard J Kid right right so he was the guy who can guard

who was literally guarding one through five right he's 6'11 can move long right so you know when we lost him right you know think about it he's our shooting guard but you know when Antoine couldn't guard right

KG put him on KG. You guard Hudson, goddammit. In the playoffs, he ain't guarding LeBron, he guarding Eric Cheneau. Put him on Eric Cheneau, right? You know what I mean? So we got to move him around because of height and all that stuff, so when we lost him

and we got a regular shooting guard, which was Deshaun Stevenson, it made us very small and very limited. So losing him in New York, it hurt us. Can you favorite role player glue guy you ever played with? Shit, I played a lot of basketball with Buck. Like who? Shit.

Who allowed us? Probably Greg Buckner. Uncle Buck. Buck. Uncle Buck. Because Buck used to play, he guarded ones, twos, threes. Depends on some time. Yeah, because fours at times, depends on where it was. Did you play with Nahari?

I played with Nahari. Twin? Mm-hmm. Which twin? Oh, you mean the Collins? Jason Collins. I played with Jay too in Minnesota. Yeah, I played with Jason in the first... For three years with the Nets.

Yeah, for three years with the Nets. I'm out of guys, man, but I'm probably Buck, because he... Multiple things. Yeah. Rashad, how about... Don't ask a role player about other role players. He said glue, dawg. Don't ask a fucking... Beef? Turtle?

Nah, just, I mean, it's awkward talking about other niggas you set aside. He said like... I'm a... When I said Jer was our starter, it's like he's the glue guy. He's the guy like I'm trying to be the boat. They get big be like me like German is a start. He's a glue guy. I say Fuck you had to pick one. Um

Sebastian tell affair. Mm-hmm. I was another person we need to get on goes away Yeah, Bessie was a fan. He was he played his role, you know He knew he could compete for the starting role, but they had already had, like, picked Randy for it. When we was coming up, you know, it was rebuilding stage, but Bassey was one of those guys who accepted his role and showed up every night professional. He kept the second unit rolling, always positive,

you know what I'm saying, and shared the rock. He was one of the dudes that shared a rock. Wanted to get everybody involved and still get his piece off. Like, one of the, if not down in history, is number one point guard coming out of New York City. Shout out to Sebastian Tuffer. Pull up. Like I seen somebody put Ginobili for Spurs. Spur?

No. The glue guy would have been Bruce Bowen. Yeah. Can I let people feel how they feel? No! No, I'm not going to, no. No, no. I'm just going to do stupid. Your father wants to try to get a little smarter, a little bit.

You're not going to say Robert? Robert who? Hooray. Yeah, Robert Hooray was a great glue guy. I thought it was a biased thing with you. No, no, no, no, no. Rob, Rob, Rob. You got to be truthful. Yeah, Robert. Hoard was a great glue guy. I thought it was a biased thing with you. No, no No, no, Rob. Rob. Yeah Yeah, you can not But you ain't gonna be naive and stupid Like now I like like big shot was a great blue guy That's I said for Ginobili Ginobili was a main type of guy right option

No, for sure the guy who glued it all together was Bruce Bowen. Yeah. Right? Or Matt Bonner. Bruce. Bruce. Bruce Moore. Bruce.

Can you and Robert Ory increase? Like Shane Battier. Shane Battier. Shane was a glue guy. Like you got on your team Brewer. Ory. Corey Brewer would have been. Pookie.

Yeah. We nicknamed him Pookie. Oh, Brewer. Yeah, because been pookie. Yeah We nicknamed him pookie Yeah He looked broke his head he got a break didn't know he really hurt himself right we was planning toys a sale against us I was I was there. We didn't know he did but high and look crazy and look credit eyes leg went Uh-huh, and we was like boy that you need to walk off the I'm like yo, but now pookie all over the place. Oh, that's what we should call it Who used to be all over the place? How did he get the pookie? Look at it? He is real steady. Look go look at New Jack City from New Jersey and look at the Kory boy

Look, I walk in the locker room like that too. Like, bro, you ain't got no, you got to shop at the real places, bro. You look dingy. Let's hear what we come up with. Bucks, who's the glue guy? Who's the glue guy? On, was this Bucks team? Yeah.

Giannis, brother. Giannis, brother. That kind of team. I was going to say Brook Lopez. The Nasus. I'm not giving it to the Nasus. You're not? No, man.

I don't even know how to say it. They don't play no ball. They don't play no ball. They don't play no ball. I was going to say Brook Lopez. I'm not giving it to Nassus. You're not? I don't even know how to say it. He don't play no minutes. If he played minutes, I would give it to Nassus. You wouldn't say Mad Dog was one of the blue guys?

Mad Dog didn't play enough, but he was that kind of a guy. If he played more, absolutely. Like Eric Snow to Allen Iverson. The guy who really sacrifices for the betterment of the team. The Nassau didn't sacrifice. He gave Giannis the shoes when they was coming up. He gave Giannis the shoes so Giannis could carry on. That was very noble of him. I'm out here playing barefoot.

To give his brother his shoes. Take these. Take these. That was very noble of him. I'm going to play barefoot for your ass, but just make sure. This is somebody who could have been, like, he's supposed to have been, like, a star. But he was probably a glue. Lamar Odom.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Dominant. What about Coutinho? Nah, Coutinho. Nah, I wouldn't have a clue for that. Nah, not a clue. He wasn't a glue guy.

But the Clippers? Bucket, guitar. Clippers, glue guy? Sam and Corey? Sam, Corey, and Chris? He was an option. Chris was averaging 20. That was a fucking problem. That was probably the first.

Corey was averaging 20. Chris was averaging 20. Corey who? Sam was averaging 19. Corey who? McGatty. That shit wasn't, I mean, it was 16 free throws, nigga.

Still 20? No. Four buckets. Nigga out there looking for a nigga to run into. Elton was on that team? EB. That was a stack.

They had a stack. EB and Cat, but I think if, I'm going to go with Cat as probably the first option. Yeah. Really? Hell yeah.

Like Tyson Chandler was Bla a glue glide for his team. For the Hornets? With CP and him? I was a glue glide for my team. Chicago? For Denver? For Denver. For Denver, yeah.

Yeah, Marcus, yeah. He was, yeah. When MC left? Even when he was, yeah. Nae Nae? Because I could have, no. He came off the bench, right? No, because I'm not thinking that.

He came off the bench. You was a starter. He came off the bench with the team when he was a, yeah, yeah. Eh, nay nay? Because I could have, no. He played, he came off the bench, right? No, because I'm not thinking that. He came off the bench. You was a starter. He came off the bench when MC left. But you was a starter. You was a prime guy. Yeah.

But you got to remember, he's the one that's sitting there like, yeah. Figure out, yeah, yeah. If I decide I want the fucking ball, there's going to be a problem here. Let me just go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I could have from the beginning, dog. And I stand on that. I could have been that motherfucker from the beginning man I need 17 to 20 shots a night dog and I'm not

Deviating from it right Luol Deng. Yeah, no out definitely. Um Andre good dollar. Yeah, let me go I took that I was gonna say my men to go. Yeah, definitely Carol Ingo like like you know mean it's like that It's that player that So if you want to that Houston team well Sose Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. David West David West So we got like he was like what's the funniest he was a yeah 20 he was a 20 Solid night in night out

Reliable vet niggas. Yeah, Lottie D box in Sacramento No, more Brad Miller. That's that's oh, yeah Brad Brad in Indiana Hmm. So we have one last mostly fans question Josiah Johnson and UCLA Good One last Mosey fans question. Josiah Johnson in UCLA. Glue it in. GPA boosting. Yeah. A lot of things.

Did all the homework. A lot of stuff. Hey, you late with the homework, Joe. Damn, my bad. Hit a clip note. Hit a clip note. Where my bag at? You didn't do nobody homework, Joe.

You didn't help nobody out. No. Shut up, Jason Capone. Man. You're throwing us all the past. I only got the sandwiches today. Fuck y'all. Capone was Moses. Follow my lead, y'all. Follow my lead, y' today. Fuck y'all. Oh, no was Moses

Follow my lead. Okay, we're doing this quarter Capone. Oh Marion Boris D out. Yes Boris for sure. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. And yes Yes, so we go this was a glue guy some glue guys are all-star. Absolutely Like Josh Howard. Yeah. Yeah, that's what some glue guys are all-stars. They may The glue guy episode it goes and we need all glue guys on the couch, but we got one Last mostly fans question to come from underdog user one for cap Says big fan of the show and everything Josiah does despite you ungrateful Negroes Gil Is it true that you really got a chair signed by Obama?

Oh, shit. Oh, yes, sir. Here it is. And it's dusty, so you know it's real. Oh, yeah, that's... Yeah. It's a wizard junk? Yeah, that's the one he sat in, baby. Did you smell it? Huh?

Smell the seat, Gil? Look, his mouth. His nigga's mouth is smirking. Yeah, yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Presidential booty. I Smell this smirk Maybe maybe Booty what cologne did he have? Number nine stop thinking I'll be lying on this shit man. That's good. You're sure how you get the chair up out of there I would have did that shit to it that bitch on your back Because they all hooked up to here He counted the motherfucker to win during the game here in the chart number 13

Hence your 13 Did you get it after the game? No, no, no, this took a couple. Yeah. No, he said seven months shit See they've been to the White House. You can take it take it back. And seven months later, he got it back. It's the show. Oh, okay, my man. It's the end of the show. Shout out to Barack Obama for signing Gil's chair. I got a whole bunch of this shit.

So where do you think the chair was sitting at while you were waiting those months and months and months for it? In the Oval Office? I don't know where it was. He probably set the crib, posted up on it. All right, fine, then you have it now. Let's go, Brandon. Mm-hmm. This has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by

Underdog Fantasy. We will see y'all on Wednesday. so Thank you. so Outro Music Bye.