Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Talks Jaylen Brown Contract & Saudi NBA Contracts

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

Gilbert Arenas is BACK in Gil's Arena discussing Jaylen Brown's MASSIVE Contract with The Boston Celtics, Lebron James Thoughts on Kylian Mbappe's Saudi Contract making it's way to the NBA and the show offers thoughts to Bronny James following his health scare. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ THE HOMETOWN FAVORITES https://thehometownfavorites.com/ Chapters Show Start 0:00:00 Intro 0:04:24 Bronny James Scary Incident 0:06:57 Jaylen Brown Contract 0:12:06 Are New Look Celtics Best In The East? 0:17:53 Should The MVP Get a Pay Bonus? 0:23:25 60% Of NBA Players Have Low B-Ball IQ 0:39:08 Difference Between Low IQ and No Feel 0:42:28 Talents vs Basketball IQ 1:08:06 Is Player Empowerment Bad For The League? 1:15:30 Saudi Arabian Sports Contracts 1:33:08 Is The NBA Safe From A Saudi-Backed League? 1:40:37 Backlash If an NBA Player Leaves The NBA 1:52:38 Mostly Fans 2:01:28 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Y'all already know that. Y'all already know we don't take shit serious. I love us. But before we get into the show, we got to talk about a scary moment for Bronny James on Monday. An incoming USC freshman suffered a cardiac arrest during practice. So Shams broke the tweet this morning. He said, USC All-American Bronny James collapsed on the court Monday and had a cardiac arrest. Taken to the hospital and now in stable condition and no longer in the ICU.

And the tweet included the following statement. It said, yesterday while practicing, Bronny James suffered a cardiac arrest. Medical staff was able to treat Bronny and take him to the hospital. He is now in stable condition, no longer in ICU. We ask for respect and privacy for the James family, and we will update media when there is more information. Obviously, a ton of people online sent their prayers, showed their love. One in particular, DeMar Hamlin, who you may remember,

suffered a similar cardiac arrest situation during a Monday night football game. Had to be carted off the field, but he tweeted the following in response to the news Said players prayers to Bronny and the James family as well here for you guys just like you've been for me my entire process So obviously at this point we don't want to speculate we don't really know a lot of information behind it We're gonna wait for all those details a lot of dickheads and idiots on Twitter Trying to make correlations and shit that basically isn't based on any facts or logic at this point Like I said, we'll wait to hear the information But just quickly want to just get y'all kind of reaction to the news and hearing about the situation with Bronnie

And just you know speedy recovery, you know, this is a time where you know, the family has to you know Bond stop whatever they're doing and make sure he's over it Yeah, just know, the family has to, you know, bond, stop whatever they're doing, and make sure he's all right. Yeah, just pray for his family, Bron, his wife, his children, everything. It's a tough situation, because you just don't know, so, but just keep them in your prayers. Same. You know, hoping it's not a reoccurring thing. I'm seeing it a little bit too often amongst athletes. You know, this hard thing, and it's unfortunate,

so we got to figure out what it is and how to prevent it. Yeah. My son is in tennis camp right now in Florida. It's 97. It's the summer, hurricane season. Like, it scared me as a mom. I called him and I'm just like, hey, if you feel anything, if you feel tired,

normally you're telling them to push through, don't quit, don't fight, keep going. But I had to tell him, quit if you feel something. Stop immediately. It's okay. Because he saw it too. And he was like, dang, what happened? What's going on? And I was like, if you feel anything, just stop. Cause now it's not the time to be tough, to push through if you feel anything. Cause it's, it's happening a lot. Yeah. And just, just to put a button on this, just want to send prayers out to Bronnie

and obviously LeBron and the family. Uh, thank you. Thanks by the grace of God that he was able to get medical attention right away. He's obviously now doing better progressing. So we're gonna keep eye out on this situation But just want to send our prayers out from gills arena to the entire James family for the situation obviously, then you want to deal with as a as an athlete and also as a parent or family as an athlete, so We wish you Ronnie. We're walking with you bros, but you know, we're here to do gills arena So we got an actual show today So here's what we got cooking Celtics gave Jalen Brown the richest contract in NBA history, but what does that mean for his future with the team?

Player empowerment is here, and it ain't going nowhere But is it really bad for the league at least one NBA player thinks so we're gonna get to that and a soccer team in Saudi Arabia offered soccer star Mbappe damn near a billion for one season. But would an NBA star ever consider making a similar move? But as you know, before we get into all that, show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. If you have not done so already, download the app, use promo code Gills Arena. They will match your first deposit up to $100. They got World Cup pick-ems cracking right now. College football is right around the corner. NFL right around the corner. NBA a few months away.

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That's white man in your ear. We can hear you. We can fucking hear you, man. You can hear it? You got the black man in your ear. You can hear it? Hey, say how much. He loud.

It's loud. We loud. It's loud. It's loud. It's all loud. And we quiet. That shit is loud. That's why I don't be rocking an AirPod. I'm about to get the Bluetooth like the old head. Very loud ass.

But let's talk about. Let's talk a little bit about Jalen Brown. You know, Boston Celtics locked up Jalen Brown until 2029 with the biggest bag in NBA history. Let's go ahead and take a look at some of the news. So, Brown's Supermax extension is a five-year, $304 million deal, fully guaranteed, includes a trade kicker and no player option. So, Brown is in the last year of his deal. He's got $31.8 million coming this year this new deal kicks in He slated to make fifty two point three million in

2024 2025 and through the life of the deal sixty nine point one million in the last season 2028 29 Not eligible for a no trade clause because he signed an extension So salute to Jaylen brown and his agent Jason Jason Gluchon, for getting that deal done. Making history. That's nice. But now we got to talk turkey. So Gil, is this a good deal or a bad deal for the Celtics?

I mean, it's a good deal. You know, they got their player back. You know, he's only, what, 24, 25 years old, 25, 26. So, you know, securing him is, you you know what they needed to do Yeah, I'm number one 153 look crazy Right, you know 153 155 Right. Yeah, like this 305 304 is cute today This summer I mean next summer next summer is gonna be. Yeah. When the big fish get out there. I'm here for it.

That Pat Mahomes, you won't reach Pat Mahomes 500. You ain't really talking about nothing. Pat Mahomes got 500. For 10 years, though. It's weak. He locked in. The NFL contract, though. You know that shit is junk. 10 years weak.

He locked in. It sounds good. And it's not fully. If he did 10 years, that would be what? 600. The NFL contracts are janky, back-loaded, language very iffy. Tricky. Looks good.

It looked good when they posted. But is he going to see all that 500? If you get a 10, if you get two shades darker, you lose 50%. Stay out the sun. That's crazy. But, Mika, how do you feel about it? I mean, I was a little worried on whether or not they were going to stay together, if they were going to keep that nucleus together.

So it seems like they're rolling with what they got. They're locked in. And any time a player gets that type of money, it almost makes you relax. And maybe once he relaxes, maybe you'll see a different player too. So Brown, two-time All-Star, one-time All-NBA selection, obviously on the same team as Jason Tatum, who's a four-time All-Star, four-time All-NBA selection. But, Brandon, when you look at this,

Brown's relationship with the Celtics has been a little rocky. There's been some comments made, some situations. They kind of had to give him this deal. But will Jalen Brown finish this deal as a Celtic? Probably not. I mean, he got his money. He'll be in Houston soon. Why Houston?

Why not? He went from Robin to Iron Man. He'll be in Houston? This is a new suit. something got a whole new suit I'm a whole new I'm on a whole new spectrum. I'm from with from DC to Marvel nigga Houston What's up, maybe for day? Why are we talking about the end of the continent man ain't even get to the He got the money. He got the money. He gonna fix no, no, he's not gonna finish there for sure He's not. Oh, no, this is Gilills arena. We got to ask the pertinent question

That ain't no question. I get 300 and what I'm 50 million a year. I got I want the ball further I got my money. I'm good My play now I'm out I'm out play I'm out of it. Come again. Maybe it's okay I'll take the Robin role on the court. I'm out. I'm gonna come again. But maybe it's okay. I'll take the Robin roll on the court. I'm Batman With the pain if Robin got more bread the bad man who really okay? My cave Doesn't know how it works you number two you number two. Yeah, you gonna get paid like number two But you can play like number Tatum obviously will get the big bad. Exactly. It's what I'm saying.

And it's his turn. He's standing there like, yeah. You got the 304? That's cute. But for the time being, because Jalen Brown and I get to walk in that locker room like, yo, I make the most bread. This is my team. No. No.

I don't think he wants to be there long term. I think he wants his own team So this ain't no not you want his own to hear it about no, you know, so I gotta get my money first I'm a tree. This ain't no sign of trade. Oh No for who A lot Dame Dame Dame Dave Dave not gonna master Damon. No, I mean three or five

I mean, you know, it's just where the number's at. You know what I mean? Like, we looking at the number. Yeah. It's still not a Max Max. Yeah, that's just Max Max. Right? That's not, that's not, who's Max?

That's not Tatum's Max. That's not Booker's Max. That's not. Well, yeah, the Braggs are going to increase in the subsequent season. Murray? Huh? Murray? No, he's not. Spider- season. Murray? Huh? Murray?

No, he's not. Spider-Man. Spider-Mitchell? Yeah. So that's not their max. When their max comes up, the older you are, your max is a lot higher. Right. So the three-year players, their max is 260, three years plus.

So his is probably 305. That means Tatum's, Tatum's, Ben Simmons, that group, you know, and Bede, that group, they'd be like at 350.

Damn. Good Lord. We need underdog follow suit. We need them super maxes. We need them super maxes. So we looked ahead, but now let's look at the now.

Jalen Brown's the Celtics for right now. Are the Celtics the favorite to win the East with this Jalen Brown turmoil behind them? His face. That quote-unquote big three of Tatum, Jalen Brown, and Porzingis. I mean, look, they got rid of who?

Just Marcus Smart? Yep. And they got a big, an actual big that keeps them big. I mean, it does. Al Horford. It does. Al Horford's at the four. Not the five anymore.

And Williams is still there, too. It does. Al Horford's at the four. Not the five anymore. And Williams is still there, too. Time Lord. So, what? And they're going to be up there. They were one last year, right? Yeah. I don't see how you... They got better.

They got better. They got a lot better. Who'd y'all get? Top three, huh? Who'd y'all get? Who'd y'all get? They got a new start because they're not injured. No, they got a new coach. They got a new coach. Oh, there we go... Who'd y'all get? Top three, huh? Who'd y'all get? Who'd y'all get? Let me know who the Bucs got. They got a new start because they're not injured. No, they got a new coach.

They got a new coach. Oh, there we go. Who's the coach? Bucs were first in the East last year by a game. Yeah, I'm about to say, yeah. I'm about to let y'all talk. Yeah.

I'm about to say, yeah. We was one. Yeah, we lost one to... Yeah, we lost one to Miami guys. It's going to be the same thing like last year. Again, this year. We're going to be one again.

Y'all got that. Milwaukee going to be one and then everybody going to be fighting. Summertime. I hear Willie Hill, these guys is coming. Did y'all get better? No. Huh?

Huh? You said, did we get better? Yeah. I mean, we got a coach. I mean, everybody coming back healthy. Who's the coach? Adrian Griffin. Adrian Griffin. Yeah. We got a black coach. Mm.

Mm. Fair. Any concern though, new coach coming in? Is it gonna be Rocky to start or they gonna be able to, Bucks gonna get it together right away? Fair. Any concern, though, new coach coming in? Is it going to be rocky to start? Are they going to be able to get it together right away? I mean, we still have our core. So, I mean, those guys, they still know how to play together. Resigning Chris Middleton, Bobby Porters, Brooke Lopez, all back. So we still got our core.

It's just about, you know, what the coach is going to do. My thing is this. When a new coach comes in, right, are you putting in your own plays or are you keeping the same plays that made the players comfortable? I think it's half and half. I think you still go with some of the schemes, but you've got to put in something new, though, because they brought him in for a reason, so it's something new that he's bringing in.

I think if he was on the bench when all that shit was going down, he's going to make the adjustments that he felt needed to be made. If Adrian was watching Boo Hoser do certain things that wasn't working, certain offenses, schemes, things that didn't, he's going to come in and make those adjustments. I've seen certain coaches do that, sit behind the bench and watch a coach do certain things. Then they come in and get that opportunity and they change these like you said if they change the whole

offense because it's comfortable that's what I fear for Milwaukee is they're gonna come in with a new system with the same players and still get the yes so Adrian Griffin was with the Raptors you can't say that first round you can't call that nothing like that's an injured situation. I'm going to call it the same thing I called it with the Lakers. You're going to call it the same thing you have with the Lakers? It doesn't matter. When you have an injured player, it obviously changes things.

Miami in trouble next year or so. And this is another thing about the Celtics. You guys picked saying that they're the favorite to win. They look so funny in the light. Who has trust in them? They should have beat Miami. They should have beat Miami. Seriously. Why? Because they're the better team.

They have better players. They have the better team. They're better players. They don't perform well in that situation. Why would I pick them to win it next year when they had an opportunity to beat a team that really wasn't supposed to be there if we're keeping it real

And they couldn't do it and Adrian Griffin was with the Raptors 2018 to 2023 with Nick nurse. So bringing in a different Potentially a different offense different philosophy, but you talk about those Celtics exactly, you know Miami's in trouble in trouble, bro Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you locked in. I'm locked in. Keep that same energy. Keep that same energy.

Keep that same energy. Keep that same energy. Keep that same energy. You got swept. Keep that same energy. Right? Talking about last year. You got swept.

Who? Right? You got gentlemen swept. Well, I mean, you all. You guys got gentlemen swept. What do you call that? Gentlemen swept. You got a win, though, right?

But we got there, too. Didn't we got there, too? Didn't we get there? I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. Didn't we get there? And they put their hands Then we got there too. Hold on. Didn't we get there? I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. Didn't we get there? And they put their hands on y'all. Didn't we get there?

You had the Grizzlies? I want to hear that. You had every team. Every team. You had the Grizzlies. Here you go. What hat I'm wearing? I'm not wearing all of them.

He had Boston also. I'm wearing one hat. OK, now. I'm wearing one hat. He had Boston also. Y'all can't even wear the hat. Y now I'm wearing one hat. Yeah, I can't even wear the hat y'all so motherfucking embarrassed We got the whole Make of y'all I See, that hat. Perfect. You still got the hat. You can't role play the fuck out of that.

I like the Lakers, but I'm Milwaukee first. Understandable. So now we're talking about Jalen Brown, highest player, player. It feels like rarely does the best player in the league get the highest contract. So Embiid won MVP last season. Enters this season, I think, as the fifth highest paid player. So should there be a world where an MVP gets a lead, you know League MVP gets a bonus to make them the highest paid player the following season

Like doesn't count against the cap But you're saying the best player who says the MVP is the actual The most the most valuable player is the most valuable player in the league Where's that almost valuable player on the best team. So whoever wins that the from the square voters It's not a person because that's not the best player in the team. It's the criteria What is the criteria if the criteria is if you win MVP and you have the best team because the top three teams Whoever the best players are the favorite to win for sure has nothing to do with the best player in the once as voted So you want to do whoever has Whoever wins that award gets a bump they get a bump doesn't count against the cap

Then you should do that in your desk. That's part of your player contract Yeah, yeah, we're with Joker the best player in the league last year the best player Joker Disagree Yeah. Okay. You disagree? Oh, I agree. He was the MVP. That means that everything he just said- No, no, he didn't win it. No, MVP didn't win it. Everything I just said what? Hold on.

Whoa. Everything I just said what? Go. Everything you just said, the best player is not necessarily the MVP. Okay. I was just about to give you credit, but you stopped it. You stopped the credit. See how you do that?

I was making sure. I was making sure. I was going to give you the whole- I take it. I just the credit. See how you do that? I'm going to give you the whole... I just wanted to make sure he finished the sauce. Man, messing up your blessings. That should be in your player contract. What I'm saying is separate to the league

award, the bonus, so it don't count against the salary cap. No. Incentives. That should be an incentive on your contract. Why don't players vote for the MVP? Because players are haters. Players are haters. Worse than the media? Yeah, the media is worse to me.

And they have low IQ. Remember we talked about Trae Young being the most underrated niggas just hate on Trae Young. And you know what I'm saying? That whole conversation was like... It has to be a better way because if you let the players Vote that was in the NBA this year. I don't think Embiid would have won. Yeah What do you guys vote for all-star?

No, see the NBA and the NFL the players get to vote for like Pro Bowl like they have a players and they have a fans And they have a media does that make sense good? Because players are haters. Probably bigger haters. But not when the majority will get it grouped. They'll get it right. You'll have some players, ah, fuck that nigga. But a media, like the thing, if I try to do an interview with you and you didn't give me the interview, I ain't going for you. So what do you think about former players? What if you're a player?

Or all the famers. But do they watch the game? I think they're haters. Everybody's a hater. I think that's the moral. Everybody's a hater. You see all the veteran players too upset at the contracts that a lot of the guys are getting, and they might hate on them too.

It's just a sticky thing. Doesn't someone have it? I don't know if it's a coach. Is it a college coach? Someone has it in their contract. Someone coach Someone has it in their contract someone out there has in their contract. They have to be the highest paid. I Think it's a coach. So every time a coach gets in front of him, he automatically gets above There's someone out there that has that well Chamberlain was getting that off back in the day saving he's gonna hold $42 Bill Russell was quote-unquote the highest paid player

But we would basically be like I got a back injury I got whatever make that fucking money more than his I don't care what the contract said If Charles Barkley in the 80s is making 400,000 as like a top champion what the hell you think they was making that's fair and man that seems like a good move That's a good, I mean. Bill Russell made $100,000 in 65. I don't know what the current comp is, but that was enough. You know, you could live a good life.

It's almost like it's moving towards leaving it up to 2K. 2K is going to dictate. Who's going to be what, just based on ratings, performance, what you're doing all that? I just I just wish there was a real clear-cut Like definition of what is the MVP

But will there ever be a criteria like can we see the criteria most valuable player? To who though though? Yay? To who, though? Yeah. To the league. Okay, so... The league MVP usually, when you held up that, it was you were the most valuable player in the league. But sometimes it's easy to know who that is. So if you're on the last place team and you're averaging 30, 37 points a game,

wouldn't you be the most valuable player? You were the scoring champ. No, no, but your team sucks that bad that you have to do that. That means you have to play, you have to run your engine a thousand miles an hour to keep up. Tracy McGrady was a scoring champ, but he wasn't the most valuable player in the league. But he was. But he wasn't.

No, he didn't win the war because that's not the criteria. Now who won MVP those years he won scoring champ? That was Shaq one year kg one year and I don't think I want for sure yeah but now that's what I'm done I think about nothing and I think about us Steph Curry's in him right look at think about that team right you have three all-stars they didn't even have to play in the fourth quarter right versus someone who's playing who has to play oh damn they're 48 minutes just to keep in that same race.

He's running his engine a lot more versus someone who only has to go about 65%. So what is the real criteria of if we take this person who's running his engine off, right, they have no chance of winning jersey sales influence Points from points per game all those things all NBA's All of those things play a part when you look at Allen Iverson when he was the league MVP. He was jersey sales He was influenced he ran his engine all the way out So it's like it was a hands-down thing when you looked at AI that you know kg that year He did everything for the Minnesota number one to them. Yeah, but what do you look at LeBron right finals different Cleveland? They went number one in the lottery for straight I mean, so I think you saw my just impact if I remove this guy even you have 15 wins

Okay, if I take this dude off the team do you have to let you don't say nothing now think about that, right? That LeBron was at two thousand Just like 10-10. No, no, no. That last one. When he came to the Lakers? Yeah. What year was that?

2018-19? 18-19, yeah. All right. Now, he didn't win an MVP that year, right? Giannis, I think. Right? Damn, bro. Okay.

This is just an example. This is just an example, right? He didn't win an MVP. I don't even think he was close to winning an MVP. He was just removed off that team. They were in last place. Wouldn't that be considered the most valuable player? One person took him to the finals.

To the team? Period. But you have a point. That's what I'm saying there's no cut clean cut like definition of what it is because it moves and it changes every year and I think that the league does it perfect example last year let's just keep it real MB was not supposed to be the MVP

I think they gave it to him because they didn't want to give it to Joker three years in a row and that would have put him on a pedestal higher than all the other centers and they just didn't want to do it they just didn't want to do it It's still one of Michael Jordan to I mean because Michael Jordan in a row in debate Yeah, but Larry Bird did so we got a you know, you know, there are conversations we need to have that are different basketball Even though even if he won three there's no hoop

That would have put him in the top five of anything. Just because of that. He hasn't done enough to be put in the top five, but it's not okay. He got three. But it would have made it a discussion, period. You know what I mean? It just would have been a thing. Based on criteria, right?

I don't know why I'm saying that. I don't know why Statman is saying that. Statman said Isaiah Thomas is overrated because he didn't get enough defensive all defensive teams Over John letterman because John Stockton had more defensive teams but play more years But I mean so if you got three MVPs that should matter. Yes, it should I mean yes, it's I mean you with Larry Bird too So it's like what's up right to white guys? I mean, yes, it's you with Larry Bird, too. So it's like, what's up? Right. Two white guys. I mean, two white guys.

One white. One white. One foreign. That's still white. No, it's not. Chinese white. Caucasian white. Yes.

Chinese white. Caucasian. Go ask the Asian if they white. Yeah. Then they won't. So quickly, it's quickly spiraling. So white is his own race. His own race.

No, it's a color. It's a color. Where is Caucasian on the map? Until we can answer that question. It's quickly spiraling. White is his own race. No, it's a color. It's a color. Where is Caucasian on the map? Until we can answer that question. It's a color. It's in the mountains of Europe. Where is it? You call an Asian a white man, they're going to be offended.

Squaring up. They're going to get offended. If you ask me if there's skin in white, I would say yes. They're the color of a white man. A white woman, they are. That was a good argument that I had. You have the most defensive team in the league okay in the head of the defensive frontier the main the point guard point guard don't have no defensive stats i don't y'all don't see a problem with that the same with kd

yeah katie should come on the show. How does KD... Because KD don't got no all defensive teams. You consider him the best player in front of everybody else. I'm saying, wait. The back line is the best defensive team, and this guy's in the front picking the ball up. How he doesn't have... It should be easy for him.

Like Drew Holiday, right? Marcus Smart. They're in the front. They have the protection in the back. So how does he not have these defensive things if he is the the first line of defense? Cuz he got other players who have a holiday market smart their defense wasn't like the Pistons back then Well, here's my argument. I hit there the people in the back wasn't Like Chauncey billis was on a defensive team. He's in the front

So I'm just it was a thing like how he's not winning defense if he's the first but that's my argument with KD KD says but look Katie seven foot just like Giannis I consider him and Giannis to be very very similar Giannis defensive player to hear what twice yeah they saw right twice and he won it with the MVP so why is Katie never been considered in the defense of all team discussion when you're seven foot your guarding guards who are way smaller than you? Block that shit block that shit block that you can't but that doesn't Why is he could be in the in the discussion of best player in the league when he doesn't have that criteria? You should you can't hold that same standard for Z one guard. You don't have four does the 80 exactly?

Oh, that's there's two different people. No, there's two different positions not two different different people one has to pick the ball up One can play the ball up what one Giannis didn't have to pick the ball up You have drew holiday who's with John? I don't have to do holiday all defensive player Every year was Westbrook an all-defensive player? No. What do you mean? Klay Thompson was an all-defensive player? Picking the ball up.

Picking the ball up. So why is KD not? If Giannis was... Why are you using a forward when the conversation is about a guard? Because I'm saying... Like Chris Paul is picking the ball up. Kobe Bryant is picking the ball up. If Giannis can be all-def defensive, KD can be all defensive.

Cool, but that's not what we're arguing right now. We're arguing why on the front line of a defense, your first line of defense is your point guard. How come on the best defensive team we consider in history, whenever someone brings up the 80s, they're bringing up the bad boys. How is there for bad boy? Are you saying that I say it didn't have good defense that way you're saying? I'm just saying because just because you don't get an award you don't get status to me

You're not a good defensive player And let me tell you why because you can be the first line you can be the person that causes the turnover The reason that the person gets the steal there are some defensive players that get stats based off of what other people are doing No, you get you get credit for the stop and Pat Beverly was the decent disruptor. He disrupted things Jose Alvarado disrupt things Rondo disrupted things these certain players Disrupted things right, but it's not like if they didn't make the team and you can't say he didn't play defense He doesn't make the team you can can't say he didn't play defense. He doesn't make the team.

You can't say, oh, he didn't play no defense. Like my nigga, I didn't get the award because my other guys got the awards. It's just a weird. It's just a weird. It's just a weird thing that. If he had a defensive player of the year award or was in the all defensive, then you would feel more comfortable putting him over stop. It makes sense. Like when Detroit, when they received him, and everybody was scoring damn near 65 to 85 points, right?

It was a whole team lockdown. Everybody was rewarded. So how is everyone else rewarded but the main guy? Because you, look, I feel like this. I feel like this. Isaiah wasn't, the team, the Pistons you're talking about wasn't considered the best defensive team because they called the bad

boys. They were the bad boys because they'd knock your fucking teeth out. They were aggressive. They were no nonsense. It wasn't because they were just the best defensive team. They got their ass whooped sometimes too. Jordan went in there and whooped their ass when they had to. Bird and magic, all them. But it's like when you talk about going in there, they bad boys because they don't take no shit. They knock you out. You can't come to the lane. That was anchored by Isaiah.

His mentality was, hey, listen, when Jordan goes left, he's going to shoot. When he goes right, he's going to dunk. John Sally said, hey, Zeke told us to take that nigga out when he go right. So he's telling everybody what to do, but he's not doing it himself? Because he don't have to. He's leading him down there to Lambert and Mahorn. If he's doing it, he's getting fouls. Why would he take himself out with fouls when he can say, hey, Lambert, take these hard fouls.

John Sally, take these hard fouls. Mahorn, take these hard fouls. Is that how Thomas is going to pull up on you, Gary? I'm just asking a question. I'm just telling you. I'm just asking a question. I mean, Gary Payton, no nonsense. Got in your butt.

They didn't have to worry about that. Pause. He didn't have to worry about that. He didn't have no weak side. If you ask anybody about John Stockton, he was the most dirtiest player in the league as a guard cuz he didn't take no shit But does that make him a good defender? You see how many words he had because he didn't get caught right his Chris ball a good Defender yeah back then yeah, you got

Just already started on the kids online online on just some shit I'm lying. I'm lying. I'm just on trip Should already started on Tuesday Isaiah Thomas if you do pull up bring somebody out of war winning champagne with you, please Let it be. No, we go. I'll buy that already Party is Uh-oh. They were probably drinking mums back then. Shit. What the fuck? Andre. Andre used to hit back in the day.

$700. Andre. Felt like a superstar. Andre was. Cristal Cousin, Andre. But let's talk a little bit about Draymond Green. So Draymond Green hopped on Pat Bev's podcast, and the two shared some insight into the prevalence of low IQ players. Not only do I not think there's many guys that have the next level basketball IQ,

there's not many guys that have a basketball IQ in the NBA. Yes, there is. You talk to him. Less than 60% of the NBA. And he's being nice. He's he's been, like, nice. Right. Yeah. He's been really nice.

Generous. Yeah. Right. I'm really generous. But don't have an IQ. What's an ATO? Motherfucker, ATO. Like, some coaches

don't know what ATOs are. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, no cap. What we're supposed to see somewhere is just just it's supposed to hear the sound audio audio Relax, okay. It was super close up. Oh, they were shooting forehead Draymond obviously a high IQ player, but also an example that even with a high IQ You can do some dumb shit on the court sometimes. Think about getting suspended, game five, 2016, stomping on Sabonis' chest.

But do you agree with Draymond saying 60% of players in the NBA have a low basketball IQ? Only 60%? They said that was being nice. Only 60%? I mean, the team, you know, the league is younger, right?

Longer, they're coming straight from AAU, spending one year in college. Like, it's not going to have the IQ of, you know, the 80s and the 90s, you know, players that really understand the game. Yeah. So, 60% don't have... I'm thinking 80-85.

I mean, have these players, you can see, when they get out of timeout, coach drew the play up, they sitting there like, where'd I go? Right? Well, that's why the game has been simplified the way that it has. Look at how, when we was playing, it was complex.

There were plays, there were sets, there was counters, there were strategies defensively. You had to know the terminology of every pick and roll coverage. You had to know how to follow the teams underneath where you're guarding a Utah Jazz, you're guarding a Spurs team. Everybody played differently. You had to be on your ship. You actually got the playbook.

You had to have the playbook. If you wasn't a star player that didn't really necessarily need that, to be in the game, you had to know strategies. You had to know all this. Now they just simplified it for where now players are just like, alright, this nigga's going to go one-on-one. We're going to load up.

When he swing, we close out. And then offensively, sit in the corner, nigga, and wait for the ball and shoot it. Five out. Ain't no plays. I mean, it's just a lot, like, in life now. Social media. Like, kids are just into everything else besides basketball. It's a lot.

Like, guys are making a lot of money. Like, the history of it, like, the history of the game is not really, people don't really appreciate it as much anymore. Because, you know, everybody's doing so much different things now. So that's probably why the IQ is so low too because we're not respecting the history of the game. Yeah. And is there a difference between having a low IQ versus no feel for the game? Or is that one and the same?

That's a good-ass question. Yeah. I think it's two different things. Having a feel for the game. Having a feel is like playing enough to know how the game is going. Like having a feel is just we can go out right now and just have a feel. Yeah, having a feel. Yeah, having a feel. I mean having a feel is it's I guess it's it's pretty much the same in a sense. Right? A guy who's been playing basketball a long time

just go out there and can play backdoor, read, he can do all that, which can be considered a high IQ player. So I mean, I just come from reps, right? Like actually, I think the emphasis nowadays, a lot of guys do individual training, skill work, but like when we were younger, it was like, go to the park, we playing for five, six hours,

whatever it may be, and like y'all are saying, just actually learning the game of basketball from a team standpoint. It's experience. It's a whole. High school gives you experience. And also, the movement of the game is completely different now. Like, the way the ball moves now versus then. So, if you, like, credit to what you said. If you didn't, if you don't watch, a lot of these kids don't even know who some of these old players are,

you know? So if you didn't watch, your only, your only idea of what the game's like is what you've seen. So a lot of people aren't keeping

the good, needy parts of the old school game and bringing it. It was left behind. That's wild because you can literally go on YouTube now.

Yeah. Like, we didn't have that option. Yeah. We had to watch In Bay on NBC. Live, right? We were on. If you didn't put that shit on VHS, you wasn't going to see it again. But you can literally go on YouTube now. Yeah. Like, we didn't have that option. Yeah, we didn't. We had to watch him be on NBC. Come on, right? We're going on.

If you didn't put that shit on VHS, you wasn't going to see it again. But you can literally go watch whole ass games from pretty much any point in the league's history. So you should be able, these guys should have a higher IQ

and be more skilled now in theory, but... But they don't. So take a player like Andre Miller. I think we could all say Andre Miller was a high IQ guy, right? Yeah. He did things on the court that a lot of point guards, if you didn't study the game, you wouldn't know that was important for the game.

The things he did for Andre Iguodala with Philly, the things he did for the different Nuggets when Melo and all of them was on that big ass team. He was the one that was really getting niggas involved. High IQ guy, Rajon Rondo How do you segment all these personalities on the Boston Celtics without knowing how to fucking do it? You know saying like these kids don't study the game enough To be able to say that they got a high IQ and they don't like you said they don't give a fuck They really don't when you're asking who Vince Carter is and if he got game or not

Like I was saying in Vegas is like My nigga, what do you mean? Like all you know is him being a dunk contest champion like you don't know that he really had game so It's a dollar like he Like it's easy to you can see which players are very high IQ usually most of the kids who are dominating without Athleticism. Yeah, right, you know because they have to really understand the game players are very high IQ. Usually most of the kids who are dominating without athleticism, right, you know,

because they have to really understand the game. They have to understand movement, angles, body language to still get their shots off. Now, if the athletic kid gets that same attribute, that's where our goats come from.

Yeah. So a question for y'all. Y'all all play in the league. How hard is that rookie learning curve? And how much does IQ really improve for most NBA players over time? Just like a shot. You have to train it. You have to train.

You have to study. You have to ask questions. You have to understand ruling. And that's the problem with the NBA. The NBA is having a bad, bad... I blame the NBA and coaching. You're dumbing down, you're watering down everything for the average of your league, right? Here's why. All the rules that are being changed, you're taking away from high IQ players. You're taking away from the person who's studying the rule book, the James Harden. All right, if I go here, I'm left-handed, he's right-handed, he's going to reach with this.

I can use this elbow, get him up. And now you're like now you know you can't do that tim duncan tim duncan is the one they're putting their hand like this that's the high iq who's manipulating the game so what ends up happening everyone gets tired too many fouls is boring and this game is boring yeah now you're you're dumbing down for stupidity so it looks better. Yep. Like if you're too stupid to understand, don't jump. I'm going to pump fake. Right?

And you're going to keep jumping. That's your fucking problem, not mine. And we keep telling you in the huddle, he's going to go two dribbles and he's going to fucking pump fake. Don't go for it. What do you do it anyway? Do, do, do. Low IQ. What a coach you do a coach you take your stupid ass out NBA is not like no no no no we're not gonna call it now yeah oh now you get to keep your stupid ass in that's what I call it a learning curve for a reason to learn you learn around the mistakes

that you make the mistakes that other people make you're sitting on the bench if you don't play a lot and you sitting there looking in the crowd and all that other shit and you're really not paying attention. When Kobe in the game for these first five minutes, Durant in the game, first Kyrie, Steph, you're not watching the habits of what they do in the first five minutes of how

they get their fucking 30 points. It starts in the beginning of the game. So if you're not a student, you're going to end up being out of the league. So good. You talk a student, you're going to end up being out of the league. So, Gil, you talk a lot about watching film, reading rule books, but how many guys, and we talk about just learning the game,

you learn from, you know, I'm coaching young kids right now. They eventually learn what an out-of-bounds is, what a key is, whatever, just from being there and doing it. How many guys do you actually feel like are scanning through that rule book, trying to exploit flaws,

find loopholes, and really understand the rules of the game? Five to seven players. Which is crazy to think about. Here's your textbook, fucking go study. Yep, and it's the five to seven players that are

doing this is the five to seven players the league is targeting. That's why I always like you're targeting the James Harden, the Trey Youngs, the Lucas, you're targeting the Steph Curry. When you look at Steph Curry and I was watching his doc, amazing. Steph, come talk about it on the show. Look at his movements.

Set a pick, stop stop take off so stop as soon as he stops you stop then he takes off right those are that's iq stuff that is all when you think about reggie right he has your momentum he gives you a little tap to go the other way those are very high iq players so when you start penalizing your top tier, you're trying to make them normal. And that's a problem. If James Harden goes out there and gets 47 free throws, that ain't his fucking fault. That ain't his fault. Adjust.

Understand. He's reading. He's learning. Bad defense. And you're getting mad for the ability to process the information. This might hurt some feelings, but I'm blaming it on these fucking summertime trainers. It's in there fucking bop, bop, bop, bop, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, and ain't nobody fucking working on strategies on how to fucking play defense.

Like if we're going to teach offense, right, you got to teach the defensive side of that as well. I got to teach the defensive side of that as well. I got to guard this shit. So when I go in, I see like a dribble too much or all these guys, and I'm like, all right, I see you putting these dudes through these dribbling joints. Let me guard this shit. Let me guard this shit. Let me guard this shit. But let's guard it with four other players on the floor

because you don't got that much space to do all this shit that you think you're doing. We got an opportunity now to expose this because it's fucking up the game. It's fucking up the game because now if you want to try to get fouls, T-Mac talked about it. He's training his son three dribbles max because not everybody gets the opportunity to dribble the fucking air out of the ball. You don't get the. So if you can guard a guy with three dribbles max

And you can shut him down and know he got a pass it by the fourth dribble There's other shit going on in the court right that's just fine one-on-one, but now you put eight other players on the court Yeah, that space is getting eaten up There's a dude coming to smack from behind whatever it may be so it all looks great like you see all the videos trash can Be killing that trash can again that trash can work Real life that trash can is a human being moving. That's what so here's the real problem too with the trainers The moves they're teaching they've never fucking done

They've never And never was successful with it either like I don't mind you being a trainer you know because sometimes you know you go through your college career and you didn't make it you know you're trying to use what you're learning now onto the youth but at the end of the day the moves that you are trying to teach them you actually never done yourself so you're giving them all this baggage with no they don't know how to use this outlet like i'll see moves done on the side baseline side and they sitting here doing this back in the back in the back in the how the fuck you gonna do that where you doing you can't do that fucking combo on the baseline damn it half the moves you're teaching is iso straight top of the key one four flat four flat shit those moves you have side moves and you have

baseline moves if you think you're gonna push them step back hit them with do boom and go you shouldn't get paid i'm sorry you should that. You can't do none of the shit you're teaching on the baseline. You can't do this shit. But that also comes with IQ. Then I'm going to go across the lane. No, the fuck you not. That comes with IQ as well. Like perfect example of me playing tennis, for example.

I can go into a tennis lesson and a coach can be telling me something. I know if this is stupid. I should know. You shouldn't be in there just doing whatever somebody tells you to do. You've also got to use your own IQ and say, am I really going to use it? You've played basketball, you know damn well that move ain't going to work on the baseline, so get rid of this guy. You know what I'm saying? That's a part of the player's issue as well. Stop letting people tell you bullshit and you paying them. I walk into a gym and I can

tell you right now, motherfucker might not know me. They think I'm fashion and all that. I'm watching you work out. I'm going to shut that shit off. I ain't even got to guard you. I'm going to play off the ball. I'm going to guard the worst nigga on the floor. You're going the best nigga you're gonna think you're gonna get your shit off on here i'm loading up i'm loading up why is this nigga always in the way because you

trash and you got your head down and you're doing all this dribble too much shit and man that nigga came that nigga came to our gym that nigga came to our gym with that shit he never came back he never fucking came back and it shit, he never came back. He never fucking came back. He never fucking came back. And it's because he played a certain way that is beneficial to him, but it don't got results in the league because you never played in the league. I would rather get my game from a Gilbert, a Steve Francis, a Brandon Jennings that went in there and did these things and got success from it Then a nigga that's just doing it for views and trying to get the hype off of it and get credit for your talent It's like these niggas are now getting credit. You're talking about a certain person No, there is a guy named Dribble Too Much. Yeah, I know.

You talking about him? He's in Dribble Too Much. No, he came in the gym. Dribble Too Much came in the gym. He's talking about him. Yes. I didn't know his name was John. I know he came in the gym.

He's talking about a specific guy. Yes, he is. Chris Brinkley. I'm talking about all the guys who train guys and they're taking credit for their work that they're putting in. It's like these guys got natural abilities, but you guys ain't never shown the results behind what you're teaching them. But I don't, listen, NBA is different, right? NBA is different because we have different rules. If you're a high school player and someone's using I coach or I train NBA players and they're giving you this bag, I'm telling you right now, this shit ain't going to work. You ever heard of a fucking zone?

Man. Huh? You shit don't work in zone. That's why you're getting fucked up in these high school games. You're the best player and they sit in the fucking two three and you sit there like You don't work on zone because there's no zone in the NBA like that. Yeah, that shit don't work on a Boxing one now, you don't know how to score in a boxing one You don't know how to score in a triangle in two. You don't know how to score in a press because that's your level Yeah, get a trainer that's training you for that level. Yes, bro

Your baggage does not mean shit if a motherfucker put a box in one. Shake you. Stolen. You didn't know that man was coming? And they don't know how bad they look. They doing one, two, two presses. Get through the levels

first. Understand how to catch and shoot. Move without the ball. Flash in. This is the zone. This is a two right here, flashing right here, right? This is what he's going to suck in. Throw that over there. You have to understand the level you're at and train your body for that level. Yes. Once you dominated that level, the next level is college.

Has a little bit more spacing. Yeah. Right? Kind of same kind. They're going to compact it. Better players also. When you get to the NBA, it becomes a different bit more spacing. Yeah. Right? Kind of same kind. They're going to compact it. Better players also. When you get to the NBA, it becomes a different level. Yup, and they're teaching them to fall in love with having the ball, not getting

off the ball. If you pass and move Steph Curry without the ball, get it back, learn that if you're a good player, you're always going to get the ball back. You just got to know how to screen for another teammate. Get your teammate involved. Back screen, ah, I'm gonna be wide open, because if they stupid, he gonna stay on me, he gonna be open.

If they smart, they gonna stay on him, I'm gonna be open. This is what basketball's about. That's, I was watching, I know y'all watch AAU basketball. And here, some of y'all kids out there, let me show you what, the reason that some of y'all kids out there, let me show you what, the reason that some of y'all are having trouble.

Right? This is a 2-3. I pass the ball, right? I'm swinging it. It's standing there. The three-point line is right there. They back up by the half court to get the outlet pass. To pass it.

Right? To back up. I'm like, yo, won't y'all get to the three-point line? Step in. Get to the fucking three-point. Everybody get to the three-point line so when you pass it, it comes to you,

you got your shot, you can shoot the shot. But the fact that you got to back up and then try to take a dribble, then they close that gap, now you got to pass it, then you're going to back up again. And I'm sitting here like,

I would have took 12 shots by now. Oh, man. I would have took 12 shots. I would have been back down and back'm sitting here like Listen I passed it they messed up on a rotate So when it comes back to you you can shoot the fact that you're backing up as an outlet I don't even know fucking outlet pass. I didn't dribble jet. Nope, but they but it is called getting to the seams When you get into the seams of a fucking zone, nigga, you make them drive, kick. This

nigga got a wide open three now instead of us just swinging it around the perimeter. I'm like, what are we doing? And Brandon, you have the unique experience of going straight from high school playing pro in Italy, but how much is high school, college to blame for this shit? We've talked about this before. A lot of college coaches. I don't give a fuck about Gil getting you to the league

I just give a fuck about getting my next contract. So we're gonna play a bullshit style. That's really only gonna work for college That's not gonna translate to the NBA and it just is what it is So now you come into the league and we're Charlotte you say you don't know those terminologies You don't know you don't know all that information nothing Mike Michelle, like you said, you don't know those terminologies. You don't know all that information. Nothing. Like, so now you start the league, and it's like, what the fuck are y'all talking about? I will say this. As a college coach, that's not your business. That's not your job.

Because, well, I'm saying because you have to think about your entire roster does not consist of all NBA players. So you're going to have to dump some stuff down. Everybody's not NBA level. You've got to be able to make them all play together. So you can have a little sprinkle to try to assist that one player you know that can get to that next level. But in order for them to all play together in college, you've got to, the scheme has to be. But that's, you should be, your teaching should be for. The next level.

No, for everyone who can't make it to the NBA But if they're like if they're not skilled ready for that or IQ ready you got to put something together Yeah pass cut get to the open spot. If you don't get it cut through The backdoor continue your back those are basic but that's what I'm saying So in be a player who has the natural ability, that just enhances his skill. Yes. Like I had the ball all the time in high school. In college, I didn't have the ball. Right.

I had to run the floor, cut, back doors. Team game. You know what I mean? But that's something I had to learn because there was no plays coming for me. So I'm going to get the ball. Yeah. Everybody's focused on all these guys. I'm going to just cut, back doors, slice.

But you have to be... But I had that in high school when I played adult league, right? Adults didn't pass you the ball. They didn't pass you the ball. But you have to understand, Gilbert, like, don't compare yourself. But what I'm saying is I had to play in situations where I don't have the ball to understand how to get the ball. But you were still Gilbert Arenas.

Everybody isn't Gilbert Arenas. No, I wasn't. Yeah, you are. You've always been yourself. Yeah, but I wasn't ever the best player on the court. Yeah, so what he's saying is when he went to Arizona coming out of high school, the ball was taken out of his hand.

He was forced to then learn how to play off the ball. No, I'm saying in high school, the reason that you were able to do that in college is because of what you did in high school. No, that's not how that works. That's what I would think, because that's what happened to me in high school. I was the same thing.

I never passed. I always had the ball. When I went to college, I had an All-American at center. I got to pass her the ball. I got to actually play team basketball, but that's because of the player I am. Everybody's not like that. But how did that affect you? It affected my numbers, yeah. It didn't affect my numbers.

Yeah, but mine did. Mine did, because like I said, I'm going to play team basketball. you it affected my numbers yeah it didn't affect my numbers yeah but mine did mine did because like i said i i'm going to play team basketball in high school i was just i was the scorer i had to do all these things but in college i had another role but i have an iq everybody don't have that but that's what i'm saying i didn't have my scoring didn't drop because i learned how to score without the ball in the net. Yeah. It's harder when you have most...

I have other players, too. I have one of the best shooters in our conference. I don't know what you're trying to say. No, I'm saying that the higher your IQ, the more talent you have, the easier you are to coach and learn. A lot of players aren't like that. Just because they go to college doesn't mean they have an IQ. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to figure out what you're saying.

I'm saying the coaches. You're saying that he was talking about the coaches should be preparing them to play in the nba and i said everybody can't prepare for that oh he said that oh i said everyone should your college system should be around of just everyone moving and like oh yeah princeton i played but some some level to your point everybody's not gonna make it to that next level but if i'm a college coach and i've got n-level talent on my team, I've got to get those guys ready. Yeah, you can try. Like, look what I did for him. I can do this for you.

No, but the college level is the college level. It's the intermediate level of professional. So, to both points, is you have to, one, prepare for the next level and also get the rookie up to a standard of knowing that hey This is a pro style set. Yeah, we're gonna have to understand how the fundamentals of the game like Everything meshes. Yeah, but I wanted to hear what Brandon had to say about the Italy thing. Yeah. Yeah So my experience I mean through high school I mean I had my way of course, you know the a you, 38-0, and then Oak Hill kind of had my way. I didn't really learn how to start really playing basketball until I went to Italy.

That's when I had a whole year of just, because that's when I had to, you know, change my, I had to change who I was, my game. But it also got me drafted higher because everything I learned in Italy helped me in the workouts. So, you know, I didn't play a lot. I only averaged like five points or whatever overseas. But once I got into those workouts, I was on another level from everybody. Only thing is I just couldn't keep my mouth shut, but it's because I was kicking everybody's ass. So I felt like I was the best. But yeah, I think that's where my IQ changed and understanding spots and understanding how to play and, you know, not just going, you know, going full speed.

You know, when you're young, you're just taking off. And, you know, overseas, you have to, you know, play half court and, you know, understand angles. The flow of the game was different. Yeah, I think that's what helped me more than anything. And overseas, you got to understand, it's a bonus of college. It's like the next level up than college, because it's the same system, same format, where it's three in the key, motherfuckers is playing zone, they might throw a boxing one on you, they might throw a triangle and two on you, but it's grown ass motherfuckers out there- Way more physical.

... who've been out there, they're 35, 38. They've been out there doing this shit for a long time. So when you go overseas, especially for you at a young age, me, I went during my prime, so I had to adjust from NBA, learning that fucking lane is open, ISOs, I got all this thinking that I'm going to do the same shit over... No. It was eye open. It was like, damn, they play college ball over here. I got to dumb my shit down because this ain't the NBA.

Yeah, and I remember my first year. Well, that was my rookie year playing for Fresh League. My rookie year, I'm playing against Travis Best and Earl Boykins. They're teaching me things. Getting advice from Travis Best and Earl Boykins. I was put right up in the fire, and they was hooping over there. Travis was a beast. Travis Best, I mean I'm a beast Travis beast I mean Travis best. I mean, yeah, he got here. He got game

The last years the last years. No, what year was this 2009? It's like 2008 2009 He's still running the one. I mean still a bet. He's still Travis like Travis. I mean over I mean, he never played over to see overseas is different though Huh? That don't count. No, no, no. This is wrong. Italy.

China is not the same. This is EuroLeague. No, no, it's not the same. EuroLeague is way better. It's very different. EuroLeague is different. No, it's not. And I was in China, too.

No, it's not the same. It's not the same. China's just more aggressive. EuroLeague and China are the same. China's just more aggressive. China reminds me of the, like the, what's what's the Globetrotters it's like you let Travis best but your asses oh I just say he bust my ass I say nothing about I never said I said he was giving me advice I'm just like 40 at the time

he was just he was just running the one, dog. I wasn't even playing like that. I was running around. I'm like, you got to retire, brother. You got to retire, homeboy. Was he with Indiana then? It's his heart. I just remember Travis Best when he got game.

Me too. That's when I was hyped with me. That's probably his best basketball. When you played in China, were they still smoking cigarettes in the area Take a leak like but China not like Europe see Europe Once you understand basketball and understand all the elements it it's easy. Boxing ones, boxing twos. That's him.

Boxing ones, boxing twos. He was struggling in Europe. Yeah, Gil never had a way to sub in. You would have to get up there. You would have to foul you six straight times. You would have to foul you six straight times. And you definitely have to play defense. Okay, do you know what offense I was in?

That's fine. I was in the Princeton offense. What is that? The hardest offense is was in? That's fine. I was in the Princeton offense. What is that? The hardest offense, the guard. Pass and cut. There's no Kyrie in it. That's why the illusion of I was this dribbler makes it laugh. When were you in the Princeton offense?

I was passing and cutting. When were you in the Princeton offense? His whole watcher. So you feel like you pass the ball a lot? Yes. Well, I wouldn't say that. She doesn't understand. Nah, his offense was catered around him coming off of a lot of different actions.

Yes. So he took advantage of those options because he knew those options. You're thinking general point guard passing and making assists. No, but also in a Princeton offense, that also gives the idea that anybody can score the ball. Yes. That's the offense that anybody can score the ball. Yes That's the offensive was the Princeton often, but he had the option because he was the best He was the best score on the team. So I had to find out how to manipulate the system You manipulated the Princeton offense is what he did. Sure. Yeah, that's why it was hard to guard and Jameson was What I'm saying is you couldn't deny me.

I backdoor. You sag off. I flare out. Triple handoff. Triple handoff. There's nothing you can do. Rejecting the screen. That was our scout report.

Make Gilbert use the screen. Make me use the screen. He's going to reject the screen. He's going to go baseline every time. Make him use the screen. So hypothetical for y'all. What percent of NBA players wouldn't make it overseas versus what percent of overseas players wouldn't cut in the NBA stupid ass question

No, I mean all know you're in it. I mean it's a different game Different the planet the travel in the players. I got two practices a day man at least at least 150 plus about 150 Yeah, that's there's 150 euros so at least them right You know we could throw some Americans in there All right, so last question on this topic, but how much does talent cover up a good player with a low basketball IQ? Well, I'm sure you guys have seen dudes in your time. They can literally just skate by

Similar about how like, you know how you say the 82 games It's a whole one season of playoffs another season. I think that the low IQ players struggle in the playoffs the game completely changes a whole nother season you got to beat somebody in a series not a one-night type of thing and and that's Another example what I was talking about with the Celtics what I saw happened to them I feel like they played a lot of bad basketball in the playoffs So what does that say about the guys who didn't flourish in the playoffs? That were high talents like to Tracy McGrady's like the James Harden's I got Chris Paul's guys didn't get over the hump? Wait, there's different ways. I'm not calling. You know what I'm saying?

Themselves as players or team. Or the team. We're talking about players themselves. Like if you average 35 in regular season and then in the playoffs, you're averaging 21. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about the team then. I'm talking about the players. If you talk about like a talent like T Mac and then You go to the playoffs and you expect that talent to over exceed and take you to the chip

But it don't it doesn't make him a the question is it is he a low IQ player because he doesn't know how to adjust Does he but it wasn't just hold on There's a difference between having a championship team and having a team and you're the best player. So when we go into the playoffs, how many teams make it to the playoffs? 16. There's only really three teams that can win it. Everybody else is not good enough. So the other

13, because they didn't make it to the championship, we can't call them low IQs. There's only three. So Tracy McGrady's never had a team. He had y'all and them. That wasn't a team. Not a championship. Not a championship. But a team that can get you out of the first round. That's just...

But I'm not... He performed. Yeah, I'm not poking at him and saying he's a low IQ. I'm just saying as far as his talent, being a great talent and talent like that, we expect you to go to this level. And it's like, why is it that you don't? Because maybe if you average 29 in the regular season and average 31 in the playoffs, you are a super stud.

Remember, you still got other players who probably, that probably is a shell shock for them. Right. Right. Right? You know, like if they're all, you have all low IQ players on your team, then you're going to hit a wall. But those same players got us to the playoffs. They got you to the playoffs. Now the playoffs is I'm reading everything about you now. Yeah. Right.

Right. So now you're sitting like, oh, I can't go left. Yeah. That's what we were talking about before the show. What do I do? As a winner, you got to be able to adjust to win because we know that as a winner, we're going to do whatever it takes to win.

Now, we know they're stopping us here. Playbook says they're going to take this away from us. What's our adjustment? What is our secondary adjustment that's going to take us over the hump? If you don't have none, it's like James Harden against Utah when they started playing behind him in that fucking ISO. It was like, what the fuck is James doing? You don't got no midi?

Mm-hmm. Nope. You're going to the lane and you're just throwing this shit away? And all of a sudden we lose in the first round, second round, what is it, first round exit? Because they made an adjustment and you didn't wait Houston one out, right? I guess the jazz yeah, well, you're playing that stupid ass, but when Ricky Rubio was sitting behind him That was a first-round exit. Oh, I don't know. I've never seen James lose first round He's always all second round. He's on you know, I'm on the computer

Ricky Rubio got his ass fired after that That was Quinn Snyder enough but it was just like it was weird to see niggas playing defense on him like that like it was Okay, he busts. Yeah, he busts the ass that series. Oh, no. Yeah, I don't think I seen James get was that what? 2027 2018 when he says MVP United they beat him for one No, no 2017 2018 when he says MVP United they beat him for one. I'm gonna say Yeah No, no no Second round out Yeah, but he beat the Jazz every time you seen him in the playoff. Yeah, that was that was just horrible like playing behind him

What are y'all are you or what? If you want to stop him push it just push him left Left means he can only go all the way. He can't shoot that step back going left. But let's keep this thing moving and progressing. Another healthy segment, healthy debate, healthy discussion. No voices were raised. Oh, shit. Nobody. But shit's about to get real. Let's go.

Let's go. You trying to get the shit going then. Let's go. Let's go. Ain't no gentleman's cut. Brandon ain't brought no gentleman's cut. Where the gentleman's cut at? What's up, Steph? We need Steph. I got y'all. No gentleman Gentleman's cut every tell me so step. We need I got y'all. Okay. We know you got about 20 We've seen it on your eyes you got

20 he keeping it Let's talk a little bit about player empowerment. Player empowerment is here. It ain't going nowhere. Past few years, we've seen star players flex on teams or force their way out of situations that they deemed undesirable. But Austin Rivers is not rolling. On a recent episode of his podcast, Rivers had this to say about players like Damian Lillard

forcing trades with multiple years left on their contract. Regardless of how good of a player you are, man, the NBA is not... It's a privilege. And if you were a free agent, then you could choose where you were going to go. That's the business. But when you're not and you sign a deal, man,

that's part of the business, bro. If you get traded somewhere, you gotta go play, man. You know what I mean? For sure. And this started with James and Ben and all these guys doing this. if you get traded somewhere like you gotta go play man you know what i mean like for sure the whole and this started with like james and ben and all these guys doing this bad for the league this is why our cba deal that we just signed and i don't even want to get heavy into that that thing is don't even get me started right on that deal that we got going because it's top heavy that's why you're seeing all these teams right now with you either make 50 million or two it's the most lopsided contract teams i

mean it's a joke bro i can't tell you how many mid-level guys are signing for vet minimum around the nba it's it's laughable yeah um but yeah it's just it's a scary dynamic when you when when when stars start acting like this they had the the porno music on there, too. So he records his podcast with the camera that close to him? Like up in his shit like that? I thought he was in jail. Austin Rivers? Austin Rivers?

Oh, I thought that was Andrew Tate. You know what? Wait, what? You ever shut the fuck up? It wasn't Andrew Tate? No, it's Austin Rivers. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

That is not Andrew. And he's not in jail anymore. I thought he was in jail. He's not in jail anymore. That ain't Andrew. No. No. He's got to grow his hair faster.

He sounds like a company man. That's what he sounds like to me. And if you were to talk to any other players in other leagues, they would die for that type of CBA. Like other professional sports. Like, come on. Like, stop being a hater. other leagues, they would die for that type of CBA. Other professional sports, come on. Stop being a hater. He just sounds like a company man for real. Is player empowerment

bad for the league? Player empowerment? Players being able to do, Austin Rivers is basically saying, I keep on calling him Austin Rivers too, their names are too similar, but Austin Rivers is saying because it's... So that ain't Andrew Tate. No, okay Okay, Doc's on a privilege as well

But I'll say that if you got to put yourself as a player in the other, you know in other position I'm saying if you don't know yourself as a player in the other you know in other position i'm saying if you the owner and you giving out these contracts you expect people to follow through with the contract as is and if we feel like you are better peace somewhere else and we want somebody else we can trade you back in the day you go to that team and you played That was the history of the league. But now that has changed. So since that has changed, we either adjust or we complain. So he's just complaining because now the mid-level guys have not only been gone, but they're never coming back because it's 50 or two.

That's terrible though. You got us taking- But that's terrible. We talked about IT. That is terrible what he said. 50 to two is ridiculous. No, no, no. What he's saying- like nice true though. He is saying some real shit Oh, yes, like but that's how it's always been that's like What sports is is what America is you're trying to get rid of the middle class?

Yep, I try to get rid of middle class either rich or poor. Yep, right same thing in the NBA Alright because the NBA 50 million Don't hurt me. Mmm, right 50 million don't hurt me 50 and then I got Tatum right now Four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve making around now 20 million each That's that's that becomes you know to me. So when you look at Miami's roster It goes big money, big money, big money, nothing. Those are all wins.

Yes. It goes wins. And they don't want those $7 million, $8 million a year, $9 million, because there's too many of those guys. So they're trying to just make it higher. That's a bigger majority, obviously, of the league compared to Star. But that was the mid-level exception that we had when we were all playing. That's where the Corey McGettys came in, the Coutinho Mobleys. They were mid-level guys that I looked up to like

Trying to get those type of contracts like I knew I could get a million level if I didn't get a big deal I'm getting mid-level for sure because I could produce mid-level numbers But now it's like you got a nigga like IT They don't get a chance to who? Because he refuses to take the two or the one because his value is more. You look at a nigga like Nate Robinson, when he was playing, he was 20 a game and he had to take a one year, two mil. JR Smith had to take less just because these guys are 15, 20 mil guys.

They taking what they got to take, which is even worse because now you're devaluing the market because you are at this level of value and you're taking less. That's why the collective bargaining is 50 and 2 because we settled on that shit. I think that it's creating generational wealth for a lot of black men. I'm here for it. Yeah, at the top though. I'm here for it. Yeah, at the top, though. And look, millions of dollars. Millions of dollars, you can still live off that. I'm here for what

these players do with that wealth. I want to see if we become business owners, if we become entrepreneurs after your sport and things like that. Because if you're getting this type of money, you should be able to do something with it. But we've already seen that. But it's only gonna be like three guys.

That's enough. But we've seen it. We've seen all these guys make this money we still don't have a gym. You still don't have a gym. Kobe was the only guy that was gonna do the Mambo Academy. That's a gym. Well there's other guys doing other things. You got LeBron, You got all these guys getting these big money. We don't have a facility. We don't have a community. The NBA players, the players. We do have one.

Yes, they do. The NBPA. It's up in New York. That's theirs. That's the NBA Players Association. I'm talking about amongst the community of players doing business together. These guys aren't like that. Doing business together. We're talking't like that. Doing business together. We're talking about generational wealth and be there for the black man, right?

But then niggas don't want to get together. There's individuals still. There's families. You know what I mean? It's just like family type of families. I'm talking about as players coming together to create things for the little man as getting the two,

the two guy that's not going to survive after two years. Yes, he should. that's not going to survive after two years. Yes, he should. He's not going to survive, but he's not. He should. But he's not, because it doesn't string out like that. That's your issue. So the guy with 50,

he's going to get 50 the next year. The next year, he's got 200, right? And it's like, well, at least if you're going to give back, let's create something for the future of the players, like a facility, like a community of hoopers that can come and be here and play here and train here, but we don't have the camaraderie amongst players. I think that's probably something that you, I don't know, is that a collective thing that players want? Is that a thing?

Because I've never heard anybody say that this is something they want. I mean, I hear it every time I talk to guys, especially the guys that are out of the league they like damn man out of the league thing Yeah, not because the niggas that's made all the money. They're not gonna have that conversation cuz they got the money So I mean, but I feel like we do have that though. It's in New York at the MBPA I mean, that's part. That's us one place. I mean we have something I have a gym They have a gym. Football having it? I didn't know that that was something that people wanted. I didn't even know. I'm thinking about me.

If I was a player like that and I made that kind of money, it's my opportunity to build something for my legacy, for my family, for my generation. Just as you see these owners of these teams, you can't pass a job down. You can't pass your NBA career down to your children these NBA owners they can pass down their business to their children so for me I would love for me to be in a situation where I can make that kind of money and I can create something to pass to my children and vice versa like that's what I'm on so you got to see both sides of the right 50 million dollar guys I don't give a fuck I'm on. So, you got to see both sides of it, right? $50 million guys.

I don't give a fuck. I'm making $50 million a year. The $2 million guys. But the reality is, in the eyes of most Americans, we'll never see that type of bread. You should better live like that. Yes. I don't get why you're making $2 million. Yes. But it's not.

What? It's not reality. Because y'all not understand. It's not reality. It's not reality. It sounds cute when you say, oh, I make this. Well, your lifestyle is to that. So, if your lifestyle is $5,000 to $3,500

a month, $1,000,000, $2,000,000, sounds amazing. Well, if you're making $2,000,000 and that's what you came into, and your lifestyle is around the $2,000,000, you're technically living like a $3,500 person. A regular person. You're living like that person.

Your expectations... So, what are you saying? That they shouldn't? They're not. No, I'm asking you. So, you're living like that person you're you're expecting you're saying that they shouldn't They're not no, I'm asking you so you're saying that they should make more money Then let's you say the two It's like they took out the middle if they took out the middle class then Miss America if you take out the middle class She falls apart. She falls apart. I mean take out the middle class, shit falls apart. Shit falls apart. I mean, look at the Suns as a prime example, right?

They got Bill, they got Katie, they got Book. Once that deal first happened, everybody was like, well how the fuck are they gonna fill the rest of this roster? Yeah, small guys. Yeah, obviously Aiden got a bag too, but then after that it was like, damn, he signed for that or damn, he signed for that.

Who's willing to take less to come in here? Eric Gordon, certain guys are the light Oh, that's your jet, but that's Me and that situation. I'm gonna take less than one year. Oh, well you're playing with them. I might be on no You're not doesn't the high work. I mean, I mean winning championship. Nobody remembers you you out of league That's a lie. They gave Austin Reeves just 50 some so he played Okay, so if I if I'm on a if I'm on a minimum and I play on the Phoenix We all have choices. That's a lie. They gave Austin Reeves just 50-something. He played. Okay, so if I'm on a minimum and I play on the Phoenix Suns,

you have an opportunity to go get that same thing? That's an opportunity. I'm going to get paid. These are young guys, right? We're talking about the young guys that are coming in on the minimum. Get on your hustle. Get on your grind. You've been in the league for six, seven years. Okay, yep.

You're looking for a mid-level. There is no mid-level available for you. You can only take what these young guys are getting, which is the minimum. I'm jaded. I'm jaded. I gotta see what the deal is. We're just going off of here. I'm jaded. I'm looking at NFL contracts. The NBA

zip it. Every single one through 15 fucking zip it. I don't give a fuck about the NFL. No, I'm just saying in perspective you have to know and appreciate what you got you chose that sport

no I'm talking about NBA players the mid-level guys could be worse but there ain't no mid-level guys the worst is putting me at 2 million you think I give a fuck about the person who lives outside this gate if my hair don't work I'm mad Level guys Okay, that could be And it's the same thing for the 50 million dollar play you think I give a fuck that you only getting 2 million

No, I don't have to come out here and scream for you. No. Don't ask me to fucking pass you. Then? Then? Then? Then? Then? Then? Shit, you need us to win.

You got to give it how you live. You need the little guy. It's hard to argue because we don't know what the Tom Brady. You need the fucking offensive line, nigga. You need the line. You need them niggas to block for you. But we don't know what it is.

We're arguing on something we don't know. We just hearing what he said. We do know the new CBA benefits to our players. It seems like that's kind of a traditional trend. Okay. But the vocal players in the league aren't getting that kind of bread. So how come we don't have those who are the majority

try and rise up and essentially say, you know. And the question now is will we ever see a war between the NBA's middle class lower class players? No, they don't have a voice. They don't have a voice. You talked about that in the collective bargaining. You was like, the $50 million niggas

are going to fight more because they don't really give a fuck about the small bread that's being... But you can't have the small bread niggas talking for the big... No, no. See, that's the problem. Right? You... When you're trying to break in law right when you're trying to change stuff you need the hierarchy who don't care either way

to help right so let's say let's take it out of basketball. Let's say the LGBT. You need straight, you need the straight community to combat you on your views so you can see the loopholes that will happen later on. Right? It'll help you with your loss if someone's combating what you're trying to do. Challenging you, yeah. Right? So you can, oh, that makes sense. So let me do that. So if you have the $50 million guys, the top tier, arguing

with the owners, they can stand their ground. Well, if you have all $1 million, $2 million players, right, time fucks them up. All right, we're going to have a lockout. Oh, shit, oh, I got to pay my bills. Now they start

thinking irrational. That hurts them in the long run. So they can get their next check. Big money don't fall like that. And that's what happened in the 99. That happens every year. That's why I said, when you look at that roster, if I don't see LeBron, K...

Booker, Stagg... You name all... If I don't see that in the room, y'all lost. Lost. And got no leverage. Like when Charles Barkley was in there, and he's like, no, we're holding out. We're going to hold out. And the rest of the group, the Oakleys, they're like, nah, we need to end this lockout.

Yeah, get out of here. Yeah. Right? You're going to sign? When there's more? And that's why football don't have guarantees. Yes. There's more.

Too many of them. There's more. Everyone shouldn't get a vote. Yes. Nah. I'm sorry. Take two players off each team. Let them vote.

The rest of y'all shut the fuck up. If you got to put your house up for sale, hey, when it's all said and done, you're going gonna be in a better position So think you might lose today, but you're gonna be in a better position If those fit if there's no fifty million dollars like Charles Barkley if there's nobody to stand up With those low-level guys. There ain't no conversation for the low-level guys They lose automatically like you said the fifty million dollar guys whether they do this shit or not, nigga, we good. We good. That's what it is. We lock out.

We all know. I go home. But if there's no league after that, it's like, well, we don't care either because we got our bread. But there's no league. So these niggas are like, we'll take whatever you give us, which is the $51.49, all the shit that Austin's talking about, the 50-2, it's like the low-level niggas is taking whatever because they need to pay their bills. They're like, man, look.

Take it, man. We can't hold out just because. That's why they shouldn't have a voice. That's what I'm saying. So if there is no $50 million nigga as the voice, there's no win, period. There's no competition. There's no nothing. And that's what he's mad win period there's no competition there's no nothing i've always that's what he's mad about he's like what's happening with dame and all these other

guys is they're controlling the narrative for all of the guys no they're controlling the narrative for themselves no they're not everybody else no because dame them are not actually in those meetings they're just we're just doing... Like, I signed this contract. I'm not happy. I'm out. Trade me somewhere. Right? Why the fuck

am I supposed to sit at work not happy? No, it's not about... Because if you're not happy with me at work, you're getting rid of me. Exactly. They can do what they want to do. I don't fuck about

I just signed six years. That's not the conversation. The conversation is when you ask for the trade and we trade you, go play. Don't sit out. He's saying what you niggas want and we trade you, go play. Don't sit out. He's saying what you niggas want to do is you want to get traded to your team.

Yes. Yes, I do. So that's what they're saying. The conversation. I'm going to Burger King. I like McDonald's. Trade me to McDonald's. But that's never happened.

That's never happened. You trade me to Arby's. I don't want to be there. That's never happened. When you got traded, you went and you played. I wanted to go there. You played. But is that a bad thing, though?

But hold on, hold on. Now, let's say they traded you and you came and this coach don't like you. He ain't got to play you, right? He won't. He won't. What's the difference? There ain't no difference. Okay.

So is it all leverage based? Hey, at this point. What's best for you? Whoever got the juice, use it accordingly. I mean, much like everything else in life, though. But if you're at that top and you get in the big bag, like, I feel for y'all. That sucks, but shit.

Listen, don't blame a player for using his power when the other side uses it, too. Theirs, too. We've seen it, Ben, right? Just think about how it used to be. You've seen what Ben... We don't want to play you. We don't need you right now.

...they really deserve, you know what't I mean and the owners was holding out Back, you know before when players weren't getting the money They really were supposed to get you know, there was a time when it was like that and now it's flipped now We have the power the player they got the juice I think they have more power at the end of the day the owners the players have more power I would say then you think it's you think it's still the same situation You think you have more power that I would say then you think it's you think it's still the same situation You think you have more power than a billionaire? Historically have had I would say it's still not you still not dominating because they're getting a big bread

Listen if them if them owners want to be like puffy was in that uh that skit The license off The light is off Uh-huh the light is off, but they wouldn't do that though. They wouldn't but if they wanted to yeah, but they wouldn't but because they're businessmen But the same way we're saying that the business manager is gonna calculate So if you think you have the power you want to be out But the same way we're saying the 50 million dollar guys can be like, yeah We can lock out if you want for an extended period right now I've got that bread what a billionaire owners are like shit. We can lock out longer than y'all like this is still gonna be It's still who can hang out who can it's the longest because you're still holding your money also

Yeah, for sure, you know, so it's just it's just it's just about If you're gonna to stand your ground. But whatever I lose as an owner, I'm going to get that shit back from y'all at some point. We're going to take that $57 down to $51. Whatever we need to do, we're going to get our bread. It's like a litigation lawsuit. You got your lawyers and you're going to try to sue somebody

and they're like, hey man, we're going to hold them out until we dry them out. Yeah, we're going to dry them out. Then you're going to settle. When y'all see them cases that be like four see them settle. Then you're going to settle. When y'all see them cases that be like four, five years, all they're doing is just burning through somebody else's lawyer money. Until they out.

Blah, I got to drop this case. Yeah, I won. So let's keep this thing moving, but kind of still centric on this subject. In the last decade, we've seen NBA team valuation skyrocket, some teams by more than 10 times their original selling price. That's a thanks in large part to Donald Sterling being salty at his side, boo, for taking a picture with Magic Johnson.

But in the same time frame, play is true. Magic don't take that picture with his boo. Clippers don't sell for $2 billion to Steve Ballmer, who is thirsty to get in the league. And like we say, if the Clippers are worth two billion Then what are the Lakers worth? What are the Knicks work because if y'all work to this shit we were fine like you wouldn't you know

I mean, but that's what kind of literally escalated this whole situation, but in that same time frame player contracts I think Kobe was the highest paid player in 2014 at like 30 million dollars a year now We're around 60 so they've essentially doubled when teams of 10x if not more You know you look at him just selling Hornets, bought them for 275. They sold them at a $3 billion valuation in the latest news. So after French soccer star, Kylian Mbappe was offered nearly $800 million for one season by Al-Hala in Saudi Arabia. Who?

Al-Hala. Mbappe. Offered him $800 million. For one year. Mbappe. Offered who? Mbappe, the soccer player. Mbappe. Kylian Mbappe. Offered who? Mbappe, the soccer player. Mbappe.

Killing Mbappe. You know who that is? No. Then why you saying who? Because I don't know what y'all saying. Do you know who Mbappe is? I didn't know y'all were speaking English. You don't know who Mbappe is?

No. Mbappe, I thought it was a song. He doesn't know. Mbappe. He's a very famous soccer player. What country does Mbappe play for again? Africa. Gotta be.

Because you wore real. Y'all Madrid. Where are Africans dominating right now in Europe? Just think about the NBA. Say that again? Where are Africans dominating right now in Europe? Think about the NBA. What's the fucking test now?

French. France. Ignore him. Whimby. France. Whatever. But Mbappe was offered near the hundred million dollars to leave He's in Miami so messy the part of the

Goat but Mbappe is the future. Yeah, but about No, he's in the middle Messi's almost on his way out. He's about to retire says Christian. Oh, I feel like Brian. No, it's not it's me Mar Christian, I'm Bopper. No, it's in Bob. No, it's me Ronaldo. No, no number one on All of that. Not talent. Janky statues. All of that.

This nigga, hey, Portugal porn star. He's a Portugal porn star. Not talent. He's a man. He's a man. Mbappe was offered nearly $800 million for one season by a hollow in Saudi Arabia. So several NBA stars took to Twitter or whatever that shit is called now. I don't know.

Every day shit changes names. There's some shit going on. But they're trying to get a piece of that action. Giannis tried the all- Giannis was good. Giannis tried the all-black-people-look-alike approach, tweeting, hold on, you can take me, I look like Kenley and Mbappe. Which, if you know what Mbappe look like, it'd be a lot fun. He don't know who they look like.

They could be cousins. They do look alike, though. They do look alike. And then LeBron got in on the action, tweeting a meme, trying to be like King Josiah. He said, me headed to Saudi when they call Rich Paul and Matt Carter for that one-year deal. I'm sure. They offered like 800 million, what?

800 million, one year. So just to put, 775, but to put that into perspective, I think we got another graphic that we want to run. So just to put that into perspective for you all, I think that $775 million is equivalent to the top 17 NBA player salaries for 23-14. That's him, Gilbert. That's him, Boppa. To the right. So you kind of look like, who do he look like? He look like... He look like he don't speak English. He does.

Oh, okay. He look like one of your cousins. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He look like... Where's he from? He look like a nigga from Carson. Where's he from? Frank. Oh, he's Frank. He look like one of your cousins. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He look like, yeah. Where's he from? He look like a nigga from Carson. Where's he from? French.

Oh, he's French. I mean, he's from French. He look like a nigga from, you know, Africa. He's from the 190s. Carson, Gardena area. Definitely a Gardena. For one year? Definitely a Gardena Carson.

Graduated from Cal State to Big End. He's not bad in soccer now. He's going over to Saudi to those. So y'all talked about Ronaldo. Ronaldo actually's going over to Saudi to those... So you all talked about Ronaldo. Ronaldo actually left to go to Saudi Arabia. I think he took a two and a half year deal worth anywhere from 75 mil to 200 mil. Messi came from PSG, the same team Mbappe is on. Inter Milan.

Yeah, I think two and a half year deal worth somewhere around 60 mil a year, so about 150. But let's talk about basketball now. So we talk about the NBA. We talk about salary cap, which I've never particularly been a fan of. Living in America, free market, capitalism, all these things we hear. How are you capping salaries, especially for a league that's predominantly black men?

But how much would an international team need to offer a star to make them consider dipping from the NBA? Amen. Didn't we already have this conversation? We did, but in light of these recent events. I got some salty connects that I used

to live next to some salty. Hey, listen. Gil's Arena and salty. I leave these motherfuckers right now. Right now, one year deal. I'll be there. Gil Halil. How much you need? How much would you

guys, how much you think you'll have to offer, let's say, like a shy, a player like that. Like, he's on the rise. He was in the... I don't give a fuck about no shy. I'm talking about myself. Gil, you are not playing anymore. I said this podcast. You motherfuckers right here

on this couch. We can't come with you, Gil. Hell no. You're're gonna do your own deal Can we keep the studio at least To That's all these money 50 million one year to podcast may back you keep the main but we talked about this previous I think the consensus back then was that stars wouldn't do it, but this opens up a whole nother issue, right? I'm just saying at what point now and you got like the LeBron's or what about Ja? Oh, y'all want to suspend me for 25 games?

My juice is bigger than the league. LeBron is bigger than the league. 75 for what? Well, I mean it's hard because he's under contract. Grass ain't greener on the other side. We're getting that a little bit, but let's hypothetically That's a different discussion, but that's hypothetically Hypothetically that's a was a free. I go into free agency Someone like job Or just a job outside a little hundred for a year a hundred for a year should be fine. Yeah 500 for the year a

500 for the year. I don't think he comes back to them. Yeah, I must say yeah He never did you pay me 5 million a year? Fuck. I'm out. I'm done. Ain't that a one-year deal? Wasn't that a one-year? That's 775, but one year. I'm the most famous nigga in the world.

So let's say LeBron now. And I'm not going to say, LeBron, look, you already won four chips, four finals MVPs, four MVPs. Your legacy in the NBA is cemented. 200. So 200, because I was going to say likePs. Your legacy in the NBA is cemented. 200. So 200 because I was going to say like 3 to 350. 2 to 350. But I'll give you two year, $400 million deal. I'll take that.

The NBA will be in that thing. They'll be disgusting. Once he's like done playing? Because that's going to start a domino effect. No, I don't think so. That would. You're getting the end of my players? It doesn't matter, though. So let's take it a step further.

So we've seen the Saudis take over corners in American sports, live golf, gank some of the biggest golfers in the PGA Tour, eventually forced a merger. And as much as we love the NBA

as we know it now, we got to show some love to the ABA, which popped up in 1967, lasted for nine years, but was able to more or less strong on the NBA and to force it to merger as well.

And a lot of the game, as we know it now, is a result of those ABA innovations, three-point line, hardship, bringing in guys, Spencer Haywood and Moses Maloney, guys who didn't have to do the four-year joint. You know what I mean? So we've seen it before. And when the league was like 21 years old when the ABA launched in 67, so it made sense at that point, the NBA was still new, there was the ability to push the paint.

They never could get to that financial side because they couldn't get a national broadcast deal. And then they have the black players. But the ABA teams were smacking the NBA teams in exhibitions. So imagine, NBA champion takes on ABA champion, and the ABA champion busts their ass. Smacking them. Joking around, getting busted by the ABA team. Yeah, because it was white versus black. Yes.

So this brings me to our next question. Cocaine versus the weed. Could a heavily funded alternative basketball league come for the NBA's throne? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I already gave you the new game plan with the game, the world versus the dream team. Yeah. Let's just start creating new games. Especially basketball. Al. Hell yeah. I already gave y'all the new game plan with the game, the world versus the dream team.

Yeah. I think it's good. Like, let's just start creating new games. Especially basketball. Al-Hala. Hit up Mr. B. Mr. B got some fucking. Mr. B got some.

China? Like, the money that China has and the money that. Saudi. Saudi has. I mean, you're talking about just for shits and giggles. Just for shits and giggles. Just for shits and giggles, right? Who's up next year? What big name is up next year?

Is Booker coming up next? Let me see. I'll say Booker. I'll say Booker. I'll give you, if I'm sorry, I'll give you half a billion dollars. You come over here and play half a year. A lot of players will do'm out right yeah, happy here Okay, I know you can go back you can go back like especially you can go back and sign your contract at all-star break

I just need you from here to then and not even to give the formula But you'd probably have to stagger it if this was to happen over like a three-year period, right? So you could hit the 2024 free agents, hit the 2025 free agents. It'd have to be that first class or free agents to kind of take that leap of faith. But then over those next two years, I could build a league. No, but what I'm saying is I see if I can entice them first, right? So like let's say China, because China starts in like October, November, and they end around February, right? And I say, I give you half a billion dollars for 32 games, right? Now, when a player looks at the contract, Booker's going to sign 370

for five, and he has this deal for half a million dollars for 32 games, like, no, no, no, no. I'm going to sign this five-year deal in February. Yeah. Motherfucker, I'm just going to miss half the season. Yeah, what are they going to do, not sign you? They will. So here's the other side of it, right?

I mean, they can... They will. Like, y'all played in China. Did you necessarily like that experience? No. You missed being home, right? Well... I mean, don't... Did you miss living in America, though, I would say?

It was solid for me, man. I did. It was a six-star hotel. But was it better than... The food in general, yeah. Was it better than being and playing in the NBA? No. I played in Shanghai, so I'm fine.

Okay. But now... It was cold as hell. China was fire. Look, but LeBron, Steph, you don't got to come to Saudi Arabia. You don't got to come to China. We'll put the league in America. First of all... No, you don't got to come to Saudi Arabia. You don't got to come to China. We'll put the league in America. First of all, when you that name, trust me, you're going to have English everything.

Yeah, for sure. I get it. The T-Mac had all phantoms following him. He had a compound and chefs and all that. So you that person, the rest of the city might be fucked up, not you. But my point is, you don't even got to come to China or here. We'll just bring the league right to America.

Alternatively. Six to eight teams. Nah, that defeats the purpose. That defeats the purpose. You want to take the stars out and put them in your country. Yeah, I want to be gone. I don't want to be on U.S. soil still. The NBA is going and I'm playing in the U.S. That was my point of why it would not work.

But from a competition standpoint, I think we said the league is not competitive enough. Guys would be like, look, the NBA is more competitive. But if the league is on the same level of competition. You'll take the money for a short term. Yeah, for sure. Right? But for a long term for the league, it's not going to last because guys would rather be home. Because they're going to learn that overseas is not where it's at when it comes to long term shit.

So what if we do a mix? And be. 500. 500 million. They're going to make sure my whole family comes. First of all, I can't wait to leave. 500 million. You're leaving.

My whole family coming. My whole family coming. That's what I'm saying. It's just not as enticing. Oui, oui. After the bread. That'll be all right. After the a whole family coming. I'm a whole family coming. That's what I'm saying. It's just not as enticing. Wee-wee. After the bread. You're French. That'll be all right.

After the bread. You're French fries. Pause. Do all that. That'll be all right for a couple months. That'll be all right for a couple, living like that. Even a year,

maybe a year. Now Saudi League is like, all right, you got to play half the season in Saudi Arabia to your point that they're going to want it. I'm acting like Saudi. It's so awful.

Yeah, I'm about to say. They got the red carpet. You're giving me that. I know they got the red carpet you giving me that I know I got Put you up in a palace like I'm gonna have my own concerts the homies is coming over Oh, but you play half the season out there half the season in America wouldn't come back. Why yeah, if the league was structured Okay. Okay. First of all Y'all see yo get you when he was talking about horses. No, no, no the fans funny That's talking about the fans. How's the no, no. Oh. The fans. That was funny. That shit was funny. When he was talking about the fans, how was the fans' variety?

And he was like, I'm playing Serbia. Right. Right? And then they showed the Serbia crowd. Yeah, with them flags and all that shit. One day in that atmosphere, I don't want to come back to America. Yeah, it's boring. Every night is like that, too.

Every night. They got fire in them up. Every night. The flags. The flags. Can you pay me big money like that? Oh, let's go. It was about the jump ball.

I guess they lost. One team lost the jump ball. They started throwing toilet paper on the court. Yeah. They wasted 30 minutes just to clean the toilet paper up. Like, that's an atmosphere you can't pay for. It's lit. All we've seen here, like.

Yeah. Boobs. Yeah. Yeah. You get kicked out. Yeah, you get kicked out for saying something. So should the NBA embrace, and we talked about this before about with Joker in that situation, but should the NBA embrace a situation like that or is it going to get too turnt up and not become a liability?

It needs to get more rowdy in the stands. It should be more rowdy in the stands. Sacramento had it when they were doing dollar beer night. Now, you can't make me owner because I see shit, I got to. You doing dollar beer night. Now, you can't make me owner. Because I see shit, I got to... You doing dollar beer night? Huh? Every Friday, free.

Free beer. Free game. Free, you come in here free. That means I'm getting all the worse and worse. Worse and worse. This whole bottom row, rich people, you got to sit up front. You got here too late. And y'all's bougie. Right? It's all to sit up front. You got here too late. Y'all bougie.

Right? It's all. The purge. You had a purge. And this section is, y'all can't sit down. Y'all got to jump. It's all. Hey, whatever goes. Man, beer all over the floor and everything.

Whatever goes. I don't know about free, but maybe free beer. I won't share. This arena has to be. Give them one drink ticket. Yeah. One free drink. I don't know what arena has to be unwinnable proof. I don't know what the owner's doing.

Oh, you got to kick him out. Who? Not my fan. You think making it free is going to make it unwinnable? Get one award. Think about who comes free. Who going to sit in line on free tickets to an NBA game?

But see, that's how it is in Europe. Like, when I played, they used to have the stadiums first come, first served. First come, first served. And the tickets were the same price. Everybody's tickets were the same price. So you first come, first served.

If you roll one, you get there in time. Ain't no Mayweathers. Early, yeah. Ain't no Mayweathers in that. There ain't none of that in the front row no more. Yeah. Ain't no Beyonce and Quavo sitting there. That's exactly how a nigga got robbed at That's exactly how they got robbed at gunpoint. They got robbed at gunpoint right after the game after that.

Venezuela. Yeah, we got you. You ain't going to be here. Yeah, we was in the front row. Remember we was doing that? Remember you didn't look at us? Yeah, you ain't going to be there. I need that chain now.

They ain't going to be there. I need that chain. They not going to be at those games. They in the front. Yes, they in the front row. They need that chain. They're not going to be at those games. They in the front. Yes, they in the front row. They was there first. They was in the front.

Who was there? The robbers. It ain't going to be no game. It ain't going to be no game. Stick them up. It ain't going to be no game. Stick them up. It's going to only be them at the bottom.

It ain't going to be no rich people at the bottom. I'm not talking about robbing them. I'm talking about robbing us players. Nigga, they robbed us overseas. They robbed us. There's still security. Ain't enough security for them free niggas that come in there. I'm saying first come, first serve.

Crypto. Nigga, you know what's across the street? You still got to get metal. First come, first serve. What's across the street? What's across the street from the crypto? Come on on. About seven bars.

Come on, bring your ass on over here. I don't want that rowdy. Gilbert want the wrong crowd. They rowdy. It ain't going to be no game. It ain't going to be no game. It's going to be toxic. Let's call you out at the JW Marriott.

You're not coming here with all that shit. It ain't going to be no game. You're going to be... You don't look like you got enough bread to be here. You can't win in this arena is how everyone should be. You cannot... Like, when you look at overseas overseas that shit is beautiful, man Yeah, yeah, that shit is to the best thing about overseas is winning the game on the road

Winning the game on though? Are you ever nervous leaving the World Cup? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And serving? Hell yeah. You don't even want to win that game. They stopped us from going to soccer matches because we would go to support our soccer teams, and the fans would attack us, the basketball players. Yeah.

So we couldn't even go to the soccer. That's how bad the rivalry was. That's how I won my arena. I won my arena to the point where you don't want to wear the other team's jersey. Nobody other than Jersey Hunt. LeBron coming in. God damn it. Ain't one liquor.

That's not a liquor jersey. Isn't that some bitch? Overseas, you know what they do? They throw bananas on the floor. Yeah. Monkeys. No, they take the tops. They stop taking the tops off of the drinks.

They start throwing coins. They put that little thing over our bench. They take the tops. They stop taking the tops off of the drinks. They start throwing coins. They put that little thing over our bench. They can't throw coins and stuff at us. Had that in Serbia. Look at you. I mean, do you feel like the NBA. 42, 41 and 0.

0. Do you feel like NBA events were more turnt up back in the day? Like, is the miles in the palace kind of, has that shifted the fan experience? Man, I feel like when Magic and them was playing, it was turnt up. No, Lakers in the 80s was turnt. Well, I think it was too because... Was it turnt or were they just high? No, no, no. It was also because

the fan bases were different then because the average person could afford to go to a game. Now, you gotta save, it's like college tuition to go to multiple game. Now you got to save, it's like college tuition to like go to multiple games. I'm going to be real. I went to several Lakers playoff games. Who did I say that I wanted first come first serve? Who's going to be there? The

old Lakers, all them old ones, all them old, yeah, come on up in there. They rich now though. So I went to a few Lakers games this postseason and every subsequent round, the shit got more boring. More expensive. It was to a point where I was like, what and every subsequent round, the shit got more boring. It was like, what the fuck is going on? But more expensive. Y'all not excited to be watching basketball right now?

Muffin's not cheering. Why do you think the owners get the bread? They get the bread because they raised the price. Because they priced out the real fans. Yeah, for courtside. What do you think that courtside is going to look like with $46,000 there? It's going to look like two billions in my pocket. Billions of dollars. They're going to look like with $46,000 there? It's going to look like two billions in my pocket.

Billions of dollars. They're going to be on the internet taking selfies. Like, nah, I need craziness. The real fans is the ones up there in the nosebleeds. That's the real fans. The best fans in the nosebleeds.

So where are you getting your money from as an owner? You getting your money from concessions and ticket sales or you getting it from the wins? All of it. No, you don't have to win to make money. You don't have to win to make money What's the reason for doing a free game

Free a what's the reason for doing a free game? Yeah that you got to take it that TV money you lose it Huh the TV money? The TV that's where all they get their money from. The TV money. Concessions, ticket sales. TV's number one. TV is number one. That concession shit ain't shit. TV's number one. Them hot dogs. Motherfucker, them hot,

them born-ass hot dogs ain't shit. TV's number one. TV deal. Like you just said, $46,000 in the front row. The Glitz is like $15. $46,000 in the front row. They making a lot of money

off the concessions, though. That's not the... That's the chump change. I'm not saying it's not the main. I'm not saying it's the main. Why you worrying aboutcession I'm losing the game Shut this shit down. Lights off. Click. Wait, one switch. Shit, I'm dead ass serious. He is. Don't let me own no shit like that. He's crazy because he's crazy.

It'd be impossible. And then we talked a little bit about NBA players potentially embracing that soccer player mentality, going and getting a bag at a lesser league. What type of backlash do you think they would get if they did that? Would the NBA make an example out of them? Are you going to do that shit, try and come back and see what happens? I wouldn't give up. How do you get a backlash if you ain did that with the NBA make an example out of my are you gonna do that shit? Try and come back and see what happens. I wouldn't give up. How do you get a backlash of you ain't even in the country And I'm up yeah

And it's not like a team's not gonna take you when you come back. Yeah, really if you play yeah, they're good I'm just coming back with way more money and My whole perspective is different in life. Deion Sanders. I own shit. I own different shit now. Right? Deion Sanders' song was... For the love. Must be the money.

For the love of the money. No, must be the money. Must be the money. Yeah. It must be the money. Must be the money. I would love to see it, though. I mean...

I would love to see it. In theory, in theory, in theory, it's not... It doesn't work. I mean, no, in theory, it does work because of WNBA. They play overseas, make more money than they do back home. Yeah. Yes. So shoe company...

And I'm surprised that overseas... Hasn't done something about that. And just said, hey, we'll pay you all year long. Don't. They don't have a year-round season. But if they were smart, they should. They don't have a market. Yeah, but you have to give people a break

too, like bodies. Fans? No, the players. You just want to have multiple leagues? No, if I'm overseas and I run a team, I'm going to run my team all year round and I'm going to pay you not to go back to the WNBA. But when do you break? When do you have a timeout? I give you a month break.

You just take some days off. That ain't going to work gonna work one game a week people's bodies need to recover you need to one game every two we'll Want to give me every two weeks? I mean to me. I just feel like it depends on where I'm staying and how much I'm getting paid Come back to America. Yeah, well, I'll just keep traveling around Europe. What there's nothing I mean if I'm getting paid like that If my family's with me. I mean, overseas. I mean, we come back when we need to.

It's $200,000 that the match player gets here? I mean, what? Yeah. I can have the whole WNBA. Three, four million? But that's what happened. You know, the WNBA used to be during the NBA season. Y'all think it's.

And then the players realized, I could go overseas and make so much more money and actually have fans and it would be more fun. And that's why they switched the WNBA to the summer how they're doing it now. Because they couldn't compete with Europe. The players were leaving. It ain't sweet

over there like you said. Sound cute. But they go over there. What are you talking about? They go over there every year. I love it. Because they have to. No. No, they want to. They have to.

They want to work. I would actually live over there if I could. It ain't because, oh yeah, I want to go. It's because I got to go get another place. If you can make just as much money

staying in America, you feel like you're over there. Ain't no market over there. Absolutely. For women. Absolutely. Ain't no market. Ain't no fan base.

Even lighter than the Britney Spears situation. Well, there's certain places you wouldn't go. Yeah, there's certain countries I'm not fucking with under any circumstances. Just keep me in Italy. No, what I'm saying is they make more money over there. That's why they go there. No, I understand that, but I'm saying that for them to stay

over there, they wouldn't have the incentive because there's no real market, even though they Who cares about the money? Who cares? It's money. You have to have a fan base. There is. They have a fan base. There is. They have a fan base. No, no. They pay them over there because the girls that are over there are from that country.

They need competition. They need better competition to play against. So when you go to China, it's like they bring the girls over there because these girls need somebody to play against. Okay. The same thing with all the other countries. No, everybody has in there. But it's not no real, it's like, it's not a whole thing. That's why they don't stay over there.

That's why the girls come back. The reason you don't stay over there is because they want to play WNBA. And your family is not over there. This is what she just said.

They come back because they want to play in the WNBA. Okay, but they get paid more to go over there. It's pressure. Excuse me? It's pressure.

If you get paid more to go over there, why would you come back? Because,'s pressure. If you get paid more to go over there, why would you come back? Because, first of all, it's not just no money. There is some money, and it's also a plan for your country

and for your own... Oh, those are all excuses. You're giving me excuses. No, I've already asked. I've already asked. That's the truth. If you get paid more, why would you come back?

More money. More money. Nope, nope. This is true. Any WNBA player... My sister was a WNBA player. WNBA player This is true. Any WNBA player. My sister was a WNBA player. WNBA player. My sister is a WNBA player.

They said. My sister. I have lots of friends. Lots of friends. She said, they said the WNBA is their second job. Yes, it's a B. This is their B job. It's their hustle.

That's their side business. It's the scam money. This is their B job, not their number one job. And it's only three months. I'm not going to get into it with you guys. I'm just telling you. I have a twin that's told me how much money she makes off

what she does not playing basketball. She made more than she did playing basketball overseas and in the WNBA. Yeah, well, that's her. That's her. I'm telling you. The WNBA. Yeah, well, that's her. That's her. I'm telling you... The WNBA girls, their second job

is the WNBA. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just telling you that if it paid more and it was lucrative enough, they would stay over. Their season's... Their season's all year round over there.

The season's over. The season's over, so they come back here. This is home. Well, that's... I mean, is that why the W, you know. That's why I said if they did it all year round. They wouldn't.

They wouldn't come back here. Well, men's and women's college basketball follows the same schedule, right? WNBA starts right around Memorial Day. Yes. But it's basically geared around NBA offseason and now key basketball going. That's the only way. And then when that season over, if the European League said, well, you know what, we're going to fucking

play into this shit too. No, if the Euro had their league right now. And it was the same money, those girls would not play in the WNBA. Yeah, the girls are gone. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm surprised the Euro hasn't done it yet. But that's, they won't, I don't think they will because of the fact that the girls will want a break. Everybody want a break

when you're playing a sport. Everybody want their body to just take a break. You need that. He's stuck on this. I just don't agree. Because I know what he just said is they want to come back here. They want to come back here. Because playing home, playing here, they want to come back here.

But what if the season's structure is the same? back here because playing home, playing here, they want to come back here. If they just got paid more here, it wouldn't even be a conversation. Because it's the WNBA, right? So the whole point for me is saying that from my from the information I gathered from my sister is that the grass ain't greener

on the other side because you're getting paid more money. It didn't feel good for her. It wasn't the shit. It wasn't like that. She didn't like it Wasn't like that. What is your argument? Yeah, you say you don't disagree. I don't have I don't have an argue You don't have to have a hard disagree with you. Okay, but I don't have to have I just don't agree with Whatever you're saying what what am I saying? You don't know I don't like your tone. Okay You don't know what you're arguing about 10-1 exactly I knew it Like I'm saying I'm saying euro They just did all year round it wouldn't come back if America just like more money, they wouldn't come. And he's saying the same thing,

but he's disagreeing. And I'm like, what are you disagreeing on exactly? I don't know. I just don't like the way you're saying it. Cool. We got the answer. Can we put both y'all niggas in the big sumo outfits and let y'all just... No, they need a celebrity body. No, I told you how he argues. I told you how he argues. He don't listen. He just want to be right.

That's it. That's all Gilbert Aridas does is He just want to be right. That's it. Okay. It's all Gilbert. Arena's does is I want to be right. All right. So let me make sure that you're, what are you saying? Oh, you're wrong. Okay. So what are you disagreeing with? Okay. What are you disagreeing with? Oh, I'm right. Okay. I just want to disagree with disagree about this. 10 one. Yep. We agree. All right. All right. You're right. You're agree? You're right. That's 10-1. You should have never let him beat you. You should have never let him. He didn't let me do shit.

He didn't let me do shit. Let me fix that. You should have never lost to him. You want to go shoot right now? I retired. I retired. I ain't going to tell y'all. You ain't wearing our water shirt, man.

Find him and forget him. I don't fuck around no more. Forget about him. The t-shirts on this side of the show. Forget about him. Phenomenal. It's over with. We don't deal with that shit no more.

We are different today. It's over with. We don't deal with that shit no more. We are different today. We're getting canceled. It's Titty Tuesday for me though. I wonder what they're thinking at the underdog office. They're saying everything. Oh man. They're getting the bags ready. You fucking do the bags ready.

I know right. Never should have gave you niggas a shot. But if you have not done so already, go ahead and download the underdog fantasy app. Use promo code GILZARENA. They will match your first deposit up to $100. One thing we can all agree on is that sometimes the chat ask good questions, which leads us now to our mostly fan segment We don't put two out good hours in Hope it's some good questions are they getting blocked?

So first question is from pop he said what do we do? It might be great Papa. Popovich's ass watching the show. Trying to pull up on it. Pop, if this is really you, pull up on it. What year did you feel the most dominant playing? Like you felt like everyone that stepped against you was reps. The most locked in. Keep the questions.

Multiple sentences. They're only talking to you. They have multiple sentences. They only talking to you. They only talking to you. They talking to you. What was your best season, basically? When you felt like, I'm killing everybody, no matter who you put in front of me. Even though my best scoring and best numbers were 05, 06, but it felt like mentally I was more dominant 06, 07.

Why did you feel that way? Because the game winners, like the end of the game, I just was on point. I think it was one point I was like 41 out of 45 at end of quarters, end of periods, and end of game shots. You value that more than... Yeah, it just seemed like you couldn't stop me when it was time to be stopped But the the year before that, you know, I averaged 29 my numbers was better, you know But the the other year just seemed like which which year do you feel like you guys were the better team?

When you were averaging 29 or when you was hitting I think our Better team a year y'all lost a LeBron probably when you were averaging 29 or when you was hitting like that? I think our better team. That year y'all lost to LeBron? Probably. That was good that year. I think it was that year or the year before that with that game. Well, that was 0-7. I think maybe the 0-4-0-5, Antoine, we still had Larry, right? We had a more all-around great team.

I just think everyone was just young young and we just needed more experience Larry left and you know we had to start altering from there Brandon how about yourself I definitely got to go my senior year was a great year my rookie year in the NBA and then right before I tore my Achilles in Detroit I felt like I was getting to like a flow with Stan Van Gundy having Greg Monroe KCP on Andre Drummond Quran Butler was on that team too we had just traded for Josh and I knew it was being five and twenty three and we was like two games out of eight spot and I was your trigger we were five and 23 at the beginning of the season oh okay and then once we uh we traded for josh we're like two games out of the east like uh and then i tore

my achilles but that's when i felt like i was gonna take that next leap so how about yourself uh my third year i just came off uh microfracture surgery oh seven oh eight oh you were coming into that year after microfracture? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, wow. I wasn't supposed to do none of the shit I was doing. I was on my last year of my Nike contract. So I had my signature shoe and shit.

And I remember they was coming in and telling me that they was going to expire the contract and all this shit. And I was coming off the bench like 20, 25 minutes a game, 15 points a game. Yep. I'm looking at 41% from three. But it wasn't really about the numbers for me. It was, I mean, because a lot of people can look at the numbers and be like, oh, that's that. But it was when I checked in the game. Like, there was a scouting report for me that just got me hyped.

Got me up for, like, the next years to come and just the potential of what I could do. And it was my first year actually getting the actual play and having plays when you got in a game. Like, I had my own plays, and it was an opportunity for me to dunk on a lot of niggas and show my athleticism after a fucking surgery, you know what I'm saying, like that. So, you know, I could just remember certain guys when I checked in, like, oh, shit, don't be on that shit tonight

You know I'm saying you on that shit and I used to just shoot that bitch I used to really shoot that bitch like I was shooting that niggas head off in Vegas like he he didn't know he Top tier niggas My a nigga had a fucking clip there was not to be overlooked You know I'm saying so and you know regardless of whatever the fuck you want to say There's certain niggas that know uh-huh When I niggas step on that fucking floor when y'all walk in that gym, it's never going away I'm sorry. This is this is the Instagram shooter in

Your Instagram you take 30 something shots and you took the best eight to promote he went to for 22 this before we challenge the history is in the numbers two for 22 so technically he's 10 for 30 something my 40% sniper right I just want to hear true for Twitter right yeah, two for 22 or deep horrible sniper, but when it was time to compete I was huh? Eight for ten that's what I'm saying when you I wasn't there that we he was working out. I'm filming was no running Now he's lying no, I'm not working out he was shooting shots. He started talking like oh you missed Oh my god, my guys in. You can't say I said yeah He's real and I took about ten more shots. Just try to get the range to die once. I got the range

He wanted to bring his ass out there and talk some more shit To for 22 then he got his head off like I told you I said He was there. I was there. I'm feeling one of them. No. No. He didn't witness it. He didn't witness it. He was there. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold bigger. He said make more shots. If the rim's bigger, why wouldn't you make more? It's bigger. You should make more.

This shit was... Air ball. I'm like, who is this nigga? Who brought him over here? This motherfucker be ready every fucking day. Nigga at 5.30 in the morning. Okay. Now that question... 5 5.30 in the morning. Okay.

So, now that question... 5 o'clock in the morning. Where you gonna be? Outside on the floor. So, that's a great question. So, why did you go 2 for 22 first? Get together. So, why'd you go 2 for 22 first? If it was that easy.

Because I set you up. 2 for 22. Because I went 8 for 10 after that. Because he had to get a... That's what I'm saying. He takes 40 shots. He takes 40 shots, and then in part of the 40 shots,

he makes 8, and that's the one he wants to brag about. That was 40. Can we do this again in... Backyard, right now. Tacoma? Can we do this again in Tacoma? He don't want to shoot.

What's going on in Tacoma? I'm going to say you... What is the backyard going to be different from the fucking trampoline place? Because be different we gonna be in the gym all day No, but I'm different from backyard in the trampoline, but it's a treason shit Oh for this we could send videos in the chat and one-handed and all this other dumbass see right Then you get on the court and you can't hit a goddamn shot. You hit one you went two for 22 now divide You hit one one for 11 you hit one you went one for 11 Don't talk about what I did talk about what you do

You went wrong. No, you were one for more than that nigga. You were like one for a 200 because you lost to the nigga after me Man I took two L's today. I said Gilbert two L's put together looks like a W, bro. It's going to be okay. Are you going to let him get a fade back? I can pull that out of the tab. Two L's. Put it together. It looks like a W. We all, man, Gilbert. Are you going to let him get a fade back? Are you going to let him get a fade back?

He's not even going to let me warm up to shoot him. You don't need a warm up. You said bionic arm don't need a warm up. You don't Be the rim is this big like it's like it took anywhere It's a good you say I make excuse you need to be flaming is that Hoopers don't need excuses on no ball Okay, thank you now

They did shoot. It took him 24 shots. That's what I'm saying. Give him a fade back. Give him a fade back. So give him a fade back then. It took me this. So give him a fade back. It took me one. You should do it again. It took me one session to evaporate this nigga. And it wouldn't let me.

This is what Thanos does when it's time for a nigga to. Let's go in the back. We can all take 20 warm-up shots. Let's go to a gym. Let's just fuck your back, y'all. Let's go in the back We can all take 20 warm-up shots But as you can we got to ask another question We can't assume No, I'm not shooting. Of course you're not. Yeah, fifth and sixth.

Question number two. Wow. He wants you on the half rim half, and he'll watch. No, I'm just going to do it on my time, nigga. I won. My time. When is that? When we get your time?

When I'm ready. All right, question number one. When you're not ready. When I'm ready. With my gym and my rules, nigga. Okay, your rules. Not on you lost. Can you tell us when?

No say so. How about this? How about this? How about this? Can you tell me? Don't let no loser nigga tell me. With my gym in my rules I don't want you to say all right today. We're gonna shoot and you don't warmed up like you did before Oh my god, he keeps talking about warm both players get warm up warmed up is cheating, right? You take 20 shots to adjust it. They give a shoot Gilbert. It's me warmed up is cheating, right? You take 20 shots to adjust and say, Gilbert, shoot. Gilbert, is me warmed up cheating? For a shooting contest? You're not answering. I just want to know. Is me being warmed up cheating for you? I just want you to just give everybody the date.

Say, hey, we're going to go to my gym. Rashad McCann is warmed up as a dangerous man. We're going to shoot at this time On this date at my location Everybody knows we can say yes McCann swarmed up. I don't want him to come in here and blow you I just finished working out taking 3,000 shots. Let's shoot right now. You can't warm up like I want that You need to warm up right everybody. Yes. Okay, that's all I want to warm up So I want to hear cuz he said only warm up. I'm pretty sure who's saying boat had to warm up before he ran. No, we don't We don't knock them dead and we all see that before the game we got the next question so next question

You want his warm-up nigga you give you get your warm-up Next question from Aramis Alexander. What's the strangest superstitions you had playing or seen from teammates who went from that to that question? What? Let me... No, I'm gonna say one. That fucking kind of question is this. I used to smoke before in college. I used to smoke and drink root beer before every game. In the games I didn't... What were you smoking? Weed.

Okay, make it short. Oh, whoa. There's a lot of shit that could be smoked. I'm just... I mean, crack. Cigarettes. I'm just kidding. I mean crack. Cigarettes? I was going cigarettes. Ew.

But... Ew. No, weed. You could have been smoking root beer. There was a period where niggas would smoke a crack before a game. No, I had my best games in college when I smoked, weed, and drank a root beer. I'm talking about chug. I used to be able to chug a root beer.

But like right before the game? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And it had no gas? I'm pretty sure she averaged three points a game. Shut up. I'm just saying. Mine wasn't always about points like you.

Oh. Got it. You can set good screens. You can be a good rebounder. I performed better high and with that caffeine. What did it do for you? I feel like it almost made me feel like I could run into a wall and I'd be fine.

Like, I swear to God. Shit. Because I used to take a lot of contact going to the hole and all that kind of stuff. And I just felt like I was just like Wonder Woman. All right, kids, listen out there. I'm not saying it was a good thing. I'm just saying I used to do that. I'm just saying, kids out there. I'm not saying it was a good thing. I'm just saying I used to do that. I'm just saying, kids out there.

I think for me, I think for me, it was always, I needed pasta. I needed, like, Alfredo. Alfredo pasta with some chicken. Because when I came back from Rome, Italy always had to have, like, some pasta. Like, some Alfredo or some chicken before the game. If I didn't, you know, it would just, it would be awful. It's a little awful.

I already told y'all mine. What was yours? I already told you. Sex all law already told y'all my Good my little massage and massage you were back you come in let me lose Scott. Damn it. I was freaking out. Give him what was yours. All right, last question. Nothing. Last question is from Brandon Webb. Who's the best non-black teammate you ever had in your basketball career? Non-black? Y'all ain't gonna know mine.

Y'all go ahead. Non-black. Like just in any level? Like teammate? Yeah. Ever had in your basketball career? Has Richard Jefferson considered non-black? Yes, like teammate. Yeah, never good ever had your basketball career as Richard Jefferson considered To me probably Probably JJ JJ Redick. Hmm. Negro tendencies. Probably JJ Redick. Okay.

I think they Kevin Love. Kevin Love on the fence. I'm saying he was getting haircuts in the hood like you don't know about okay love I Do a 30? Okay love back a day light-skinned attendants come from the beach boy still pulling up in the hood embraced Wally's are bit Gucci Wally Was the only same team would you yeah? Yeah, I was a wally, but I would say probably Kmart Kevin Martin

I like Kevin Martin from SAC. What? He's black. No, look Kmart. Yeah, he's light-skinned. You know what? That's non-black. You know what? You know what?

It's non-black. The show's over. God damn it, on that note. If Richard Jefferson's non-black, Kmart's non-black damn it. On that note. If Richard Jefferson's not a black Kmart, I had to go back. Everybody was like, wait. No, I was asking the question. Think of who it was.

Oh, my God. If Kmart don't qualify. He does not. Then, yeah, Wally. Oh, my God. The best. Show's over. Get us out of here.

We'll see y'all tomorrow, man. Another wild episode. We will see if we'll be back tomorrow. I, this is the best. Show's over. Get us out of here. We'll see y'all tomorrow, man. Another wild episode. We will see if we'll be back tomorrow. I got to feel the underdog. I didn't know Kevin Martin was black. He said, Kevin Martin. I'm like, I'm going to see you later. Wait, is there another one I don't know about?

I thought he was white. I didn't know he was black. Who is, Daddy Black? This has been another episode of Gills Arena. Appreciate you to Underdog Fantasy, as always. Like I said, hopefully we have another show tomorrow. The powers that be. I'm finding it hard to let us continue doing this show for y'all.

But we'll see y'all Wednesday, hopefully. He's like, man. He's still checking it. Yeah, when did he get back? When did he get back? When? I don't know.