Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Talks Klay's Future & New Load Management Rules

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Gil's Arena Breaks Down Klay Thompson & The Golden State Warriors' Future as Gilbert Arenas and The Gil's Arena Crew discuss Klay's contract situation with the Dubs and analyze what's next for this Warrior's dynasty as they fade into the latter years of the Big 3. They also discuss the NBA's new load management rules and their impact on star like Kawhi Leonard before discussing Shaq's new role with Reebok and the NIL signing of Angel Reese. Please Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get a $500 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. SUBSCRIBE:  / @gilsarena   APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ THE HOMETOWN FAVORITES https://thehometownfavorites.com/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Pre-Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 Chapters Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:04:26 How Gil Invented Dunk Contest Dunks 0:08:30 Shaq Signs LSU Star Angel Reese 0:18:20 Best #1 Picks In NBA History 0:31:38 Gil Explains The Gilbert Arenas Rule 0:47:22 Klay's Future With The Warriors 0:52:14 More Important to GS Dynasty: Klay or Draymond? 1:09:11 New Load Management Rules 1:13:57 Load Management Impact on The Playoffs 1:45:25 MostlyFans 1:56:30 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah, we heard. I know. Don't be acting like you not tired. You do more streaming than anybody I ever see. He like that shit, though. You do this shit, go back and do a playback, go do another three-hour stream, go do a relationship stream. Got JLBs, baby. JLBs. Got JLBs. What you rocking today? Playback go do another three-hour stream go to a little bees Be a jail bees

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Rocking the Reeboks. We're going to do a little Reebok talk today. Here we go. You came ready. Hey. Hey. Y'all know what it is. The greatness.

Y'all know what it is. The crown. You know how we go. You know how we go. You know how we do it. Here's what we got cooking in the arena today. Klay Thompson is in the final year of his deal and looking for an extension. But will the Warriors do right by Klay? The NBA reversed its stance on load management.

But will the new player participation policy actually work? And Shaq and AI are trying to bring Reebok basketball back and they signed their first baller to help them get buckets You see injuries out here getting it. Let me know some angel. Let me borrow about a hundred But before we get into all that if you want to get the bread up go ahead download the underdog app use promo code Gil They will match your first deposit up to $500. You heard that right people $500 we don't know how long it's gonna last You know that you need to get your bread right NBA about to start WBA is cracking We got college football NFL so many things for you to get your pickups cracking wit and shame on deck one yard short

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Help us really get to the top. We were number four previously. We're going for that number one spot now. So, Gil, we're going to give you some flowers right quick before we get into... Me? Yes. Yesterday, you talked about...

This is Gil's Arena. Don't do that, man. Don't do that, man. Me? Me? Yesterday you talked about how you helped Jason Richardson win the dunk contest. There's a video of him saying, my two dunks, the ones I won with, Gilbert created them. And then the other one,

is our second year, invited me again. And we was talking about, you know, windmill and stuff. And I was like, why don't you just go on a baseline and reverse it so we mean versus like reverse it oh my lord like reverse it bro we never seen that like all he does is every single he so he never practiced it he just throws it and he's watching bounce and he said I got that right so in like we we was like like I don't know if it works I don't know you like I had a dream so he end up he pulled it out he's never done it since so you know some people in the chat said it was cap

they tried to hit you with the LeBron lying me oh yeah 13% haters in the chat I was more no no no no, no, no. You have more than that. No, no, no, no. I seen on you, y'all dropped a clip. And they called him a Soulja Boy and everything. Wow. Drake?

Yeah, they was calling him a Soulja Boy like I was a smicker. Like, yeah. Yeah, good one. What the good one do is come without repeats. He created every dunk contest. Damn. Yeah, he the one who taught MJ his moves. Like, damn. So we dug into the archives and

we got some video evidence to present. Jumped outside the lane. Come on, man. Look at everybody going crazy. Look at Eddie going crazy. I was in the one. Cuz I won rookie all-star. So I'm looking one more. Because I won rookie all-star. So I'm looking for one more.

Oh! The dunk contest is back! Yes it is. It's back. You know what? It's sad that somebody has to lose that. Yeah, that's true. Oh my goodness. That's everything. That's all. That's Desmond Mason. That's Vince Carter.

He never did it before. He rolled into one duck. But good idea to be between the legs. He came backwards. He's backwards instead of forwards. There you go. Oh, backwards instead of forwards. Oh!

He went backwards. What was the last duck, and how did you ever dare to think about doing it? Well, me and Gilbert Renan is always up in the gym thinking of ducks, and I wanted to see if I could do it between the legs 360, but I couldn't get the steps right He said once you just take it between your last backwards and duck with your left hand I like the idea I tried it once and I just want my second time doing it And Gil used to have these crazy thoughts of dunks that he couldn't do but he knew I would try

These dunks I'm like Gil man, you trying to break my neck The two dunk contests that i won he gave me those ducks so he's like hey man you need to do this duck and both of those dunks that i did in 01 i mean 02 and 03 i did it one time and i was in the dunk contest and the second one between the legs backwards i did that was my first time ever attempting that that's the first time i ever made it and i couldn't do it again for some reason I tried it basketball camp. I tried it at celebrity games. I could never do that dunk again. It's so crazy, bro That's Wow Do the duck

Receipts You know What was your reaction when you see Jay rich actually do this dunk in the dunk hunter, okay, so the first one The first time when he when he went up and did that so what he was trying to do is Because he's never tried to dunk so it was like this is the dunk that you end with right So he threw it up and he was gonna just go between the legs because he needed a 45, right? And then the ball slipped, and they were trying to count it as an attempt. So back then, that was considered an attempt. Would you get, like, two attempts, or how did it work? No, if you got an attempt, they...

Oh, they didn't... Yeah, so, you know, basically, it was like that was an attempt. So, you know, I'm sitting here, like, on the sideline, do the what today? But he was like, was an attempt so you know I'm sitting here like on the sideline do the watch today but he was like bye fuck it threw it up and then twist it at the end so you know I'm jump like if you see that video you can see I run on the court I'm hype I'm in there dancing warriors baby we won that he ended up giving me 10 grand for you know back then I was broke 10 grand at the all-star game. Thank you I mean a lot realize yeah

So this is the second time, you know So the second time we went and and There's you know Desmond Mason so him and Desmond are the same type of dunkers. So when we were sitting there trying to figure out what dunks we're going to do, because I was participating in that dunk contest. So I went up and pretended I was going to go between the legs through the lob, and then he tried to windmill and then missed that one. But it was between him and Desmond Mason, so we were trying to figure out what dunks he's going to try, what he's going to take away from you, what you can take away from him, because it's either between the legs, 360, windmill, between the legs, windmill,

reversal windmill. So that's what I was like, you know, if you get to the end and we need that 50, you know, this is the one. Man. And then it came down to that dunk. Game winner. Yeah. I don't even think Desmond Mason made it. This is the one man and then it came down to that dunk game winner I don't even think there's a man Mason made I think it was a young fella Joe Wallace in the finals. Mm-hmm. I think so. I think Joe was when Des was with a Seattle Seattle

So good you like the black forest gump of the league What's a random Gilbert arena's fact people don't know? I'm just saying, hearing shit like that- I mean, you calling me special? No. Yeah, what does that mean? What does that mean exactly? Life is like a box of chocolates. That's what that means. Life is like a box of chocolates. I love Forrest Gump because he always do his subtext.

I got you. Oh, I'm not asking. It's not talking about your mental capabilities before he did start the bubblegum shrimp company and make tons of bread, so. Damn, Gil, that's a shot. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. That's not a shot. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit.

You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. You don't let this nigga shoot shit. It's not talking about your mental capabilities before they start the bubble gum company and make tons of bread That's a shot, you know, let's go let this nigga shoot shots that you like that. No father said Bubba Don't have been a shot Um, I

Was ahead of my time no, no serious, um So I created a stat what it was I think it was over 300 free throws or that's 300 free throws and 600 threes it was one of those it was 200 threes something free throws and I was the first one to create it in 2006, 2007. Nobody was into that stat again until 2014, which was James Harden. Shit. And then he was in it ever since. So it was basically, I was the first person to have the threes and the free throws.

Okay. Because usually you was a free throw, you was a, you know, you attack the basket or you just shot threes. Free throw attempts. Free throw made. Made. Yeah. Oh,rees. Free throw attempts? Free throw made. Made? Yeah. Oh, shit. So 3,000 free throws made.

Nah, it was... I got it. Yeah, let me pull it up now. And three-pointers made, right? Huh? Three-pointers made, too? Yeah, so here, let me... You know, I keep...

What, the 200 free throw or 200... 200 three-pointers, 600 free throws? Yeah. So 2,607, you made 205 three-pointers. Yep. And 60 600 free throws. Yeah, so 2006 oh seven you made 205 three pointers Yep, and 606 free throws Yeah, so I was the first person to create that stat and then seven years later James Harden comes in so him and Russell Imagine if we was able to shoot threes like they shoot threes now how many threes you would have been shooting Her game and be honest. I was looking at somebody, I was shooting 15, 12, I was putting them up.

Threes? Not like consistently, though. You had some of them games where you... No, that's what I'm saying. That's why the stat was created, because I was like the first one that was actually launching. Jay Rich was, too, though. Yeah.

You and Jay Rich was always at the top. Like, back then, it was... That's why I said it was like one of those those, like I wasn't called a ball hog yet. Like I was seeing players that like Steve Francis, Mulberry, they were getting called out for what they were doing and, you know, I wasn't. And I'm like, man, I shoot way more than them. Like I'm shooting, you know, 20-something shots a game. You know, it was the pace. You know, we was moving so fast that someone had to take the shot.

And the offense, y'all was running. Did y'all shoot, like, early in the shot clock or late? Or did it matter? Like, because, you know, some teams are like, we shooting this amount of time. So we were considered the sons of the East Coast. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, you score, we're trying to score.

Right. Right, we wasn't, you know. And y'all's advantage in that situation was you would push the fucking pace early Yeah, and if you got it you got it If you didn't you run it out and then y'all running this fucking elaborate ass offense Where you steal the number one fucking I mean on the first two passes boom come off lay up You know saying that shit was so difficult the fucking guard. Yeah, it was we was We was pushing it like we were doesn't say we were today's offense

Probably there on 10. We was probably at five. It was level five compared to what they're doing now So like you said the only other players to do that You Russ and Harden did it six times Harden's in six times. Yeah, it's only was that 200 200 mates. Yeah, and Harden did it six times. Shit. Harden did it six times? Yeah, Harden did it. So Russ was at 200? 200 mates? Yeah.

Damn. That's wild. It was that year he averaged, he was averaging triple, I think it was his first triple-double or something like that. He was shooting that bitch. That's what I'm saying.

It's hard. It's really hard to, like, be aggressive at the, getting to the basket and a three-point shooter. Yeah. Right? That's just,

that's real. Well? That's just... That's real. Let's keep this thing moving. Reebok is making a comeback to basketball. A company recently named Shaq and AI as president and vice president of basketball. And according to the legend Nick DiPaolo, they're making a big splash by signing LSU star Angel Reese

as the first Reebok athlete of the next generation. Reese led LSU to its first national championship, was named most outstanding player at a 2023 tournament, one of the most influential college athletes in the game, NIL valuation of $1.6 million. LSU is a Nike school, but Reese can rock her Reebok gear off the court in when she decides to go pro. So, Lexi, this is something people may not know.

You've been with Reebok since 2020. Yep. What are your thoughts on Angel Reese joining the team? Since she was little. Since she was little, technically. Yeah, see, I know last time I said I was a free agent, but that's over now. Yeah.

I'm a Reebok girly, still. But yeah, no, I think it's great. I think them bringing Shaq and AI on is amazing. Since I've been with Reebok, they haven't even had a basketball department at all. So I was just kind of hanging out with them and

just waiting for them to get their stuff together on the business side. And I think it's great that they went after Angel. They could have went after a college boy. They could have went after a high school kid. They could have went after an NBA player to start this. And they went after her. And I love that for her. I love that for the women's game. And you see, she looked beautiful in their campaign shoot. And I think that's the angle that they're going with. And I

love that. And it's going to be fun to see her continue to rock the Reeboks. And I saw her wear a Reeboks over the summer. And I was like, I kind of figured that she was going to be fun to see her continue to rock the Reeboks. And I saw her wear a Reeboks over the summer. And I was like, I kind of figured that she was going to go there, you know, with the connection with LSU Shack. So I think it's like an obvious thing to do. You know what would be dope, though? If they just focused that on the women's, like to start the campaign just solely on, you know Becky's talking about how Asia needs a shoe yeah right and you got this which is a perfect segue of creating a shoe not only just for the WNBA but maybe even all sports that have to do something with women soccer you know I'm

saying you got a whole whole line of things that can be done in the industry that needs it so it's like not only that the nil being able to go into college in high school juju you know i'm saying you know she gonna want to go nike but jordan jordan mercy yeah jordan got her jordan got a high school player already. A girl high school player. So they're just getting younger. It ain't Jordan. It's Jordan's daughter. She's the head of all that.

Oh. Yeah, his kids are the... They running the ship. Good move, Mike. His kids is running the ship. Jordan just on vacation. If you're a female and you're trying to get Jordan Brand, it has to go through.

Wow. Miss Jordan. Yeah, but Reebok should definitely focus on the open market because you can flood the block with women's sports. I mean, I saw the announcement this morning when I woke up, and I was like, this is dope, and it's great for her. And the season's about to start, so it's like the timing of it obviously makes sense.

So, you know, I'm hoping that when the WNBA season starts, something similar will go on with me. You know, that's the plan. And I feel like now that they've done this for the college player, then they should do the same for the professional player that they have signed. Next up. Yeah, exactly, because we're going to be in the same league at some point. So having us having that same level energy would be great.

So when she comes to the league, you're going to have two WNBA players already on your roster. Yeah, that's dope. So we had Cheryl Swoops in the arena yesterday. She said, Angel, she was asking where you were at. Thought you might be ducking her. I don't know. Come on, Cheryl. You never know.

I was just with her a few days ago. She said, just stay back. But she said, Angel, not necessarily Angel's struggle those first couple years, but she's not going to just be a star right away in the W when she does decide to come. Do you agree with that? And how long do you think it's going to take her

to kind of fit into the league? I mean, one depends on what team she goes to. Because if she goes to a team that is severely lacking at that position, then she will be a star. Like, she's going to get all the shots. Like, look at Aaliyah Boston. People thought that she was going to struggle a little bit. And she had her ups and downs, but she was the main option on that team. And, you know, Indiana didn't make the playoffs. They weren't a very good team. But Aaliyah made significant strides during her rookie season.

But I definitely agree with Cher. I think she is going to have growing pains. She's not going against people her size or skill level at all at the college level right now, if we're being honest. Maybe one or two players in the SEC match her athletically and size-wise. So yeah, I think she's going to struggle a little bit, but everybody does. There's not very many. I would say Candice, Maya, Tamika might be one of the three that came into the league rookie year ready, ready to go. Even Asia struggled a little bit. I mean, we're in year six now, so I don't think it's going to take her a long time to adjust, but that's solely going to be on her. But I think she's going to come in and make her

mark. She plays hard. She's emotional. She's going to have fun. So, I mean, I'm excited. I mean, we don't know if they're coming out this year or next year, but when they decide to come to the W, we'll be ready for them. And y'all both rocking Reebok. As long as it ain't Freebok, they got a bag, you got a robe. I personally don't see any of the girls coming out this year if they got one more year to stay. I mean, you're talking about she's evaluated at 1.7? I think Kaylin Clark is going to come out, and I think Hailey Van Lith is going to come out.

Does it have the Roney year, right? That extra COVID? Yeah, so this is the last year of that. Okay. So they're just going to have to think who's coming behind them because now this group, this next group of seniors, they have no choice now because that COVID stuff is over. So I think there are going to be some seniors that maybe would want to stay in college for another year,

but probably shouldn't because then they may not get drafted or make a team. But now we have the two expansion teams, which is going to be good. So it's going to be interesting. Would the W take that chance of not drafting some high-profile seniors that's coming out, regardless if they decide to stay another year, wouldn't it be a risk to not draft them? You need all the promo marketing. No, I agree. They wouldn't put their name in there.

Yeah, if they put their name in, they're going to get drafted. But at the end of the day, you have to come to training camp ready to go. Right, right, right. And the conversation has been like, well, they don't have enough time. Like, none of us have had any time to be ready for training camp. Like, that's not new. I'm glad that there's more attention

being brought to it for sure because I don't think that two, three weeks from your last game of college to your first WBA training camp is enough time. Wait. Yeah. Yes.

I left school early. I had to take my finals early to make it to training camp on time. So we had my Sweet 16 game. The draft was 10 days after that, and then I was in Connecticut two weeks after that. Then you can see why a rookie will have trouble adjusting. There's no real adjustment period. No, there's not. So the last thing they remember is college,

and then it's jump right into the pros without working in the summer. We're done. We got, like, what, four or five months? At least three. Yeah, March to what? March to October. To. October to October. To get ready for your first pro season. Yeah, and then we get a, we have like stepping periods, right?

We leave school, then we train, and then we go to workouts, and then that workout let us know if we're in shape or not, depending on how that workout went, right? Like Ant-Man, he went to go to state, and they're like, yo, you need to go harder. Can you do this? Can you do this? He left and said, hey, we need to change up how we're training, right? Because this ain't it. I wasn't ready for this workout.

For real. Then he has to retrain. You don't know what team you're getting drafted to until you get drafted to that team. That's the same here. I mean, I thought I was going to Seattle, and I ended up going to Connecticut. And you just have conversations with coaches, and they tell you, oh, yeah, we want you, we want you.

But they really don't know what the team before them is about to do. So, you know, I really thought I was going to go to Seattle, and I ended up going to Connecticut, which both were a blessing, which was amazing. Jordan ended up going to Seattle, which was amazing for her. But, yeah, it's a very short period. So I think people are a little hard on the rookies when they come in, which is why, as amazing as the expansion teams are, the two additional roster spots, I feel like, would have been what we needed. But we'll see how they navigate through these expansion teams

because they could end up doing the same thing. The expansion team, they'll get what? The number one pick and the number two pick guaranteed. So if you're Angel and them, you're going to come out. You have to. Because what ends up happening is if those two teams are, they get the number one and number two pick, right? And I'm them and I'm going to be a number one or two pick.

I want to come into that team because now that is actually my team. Right. I don't have to worry about some veteran pecking order. Right. I get to be a star today versus letting someone else do it and then I come into the draft and then someone... Exactly. You know, something happens and then, you know,

I get drafted to Las Vegas but if they all stay who's gonna be like one two because some of them could come out next year that's what I'm saying if I'm if I'm so you have to just play you bet on chess exactly so when do you find out who gets the the picks I have no idea we haven't even they haven't even announced the second team yet. Wow. Yeah. So how much faster is the WNBA game versus college in making that transition within a couple?

Oh, it's night and day. I know. There's no comparison. That's why I'm asking you. I mean, when I was at Duke, we played a 1-2-2 zone the entire season. I led the ACC. I broke the ACC record in steals playing in a zone. There's just no comparison to how the game is played in the W versus college.

Everyone in the W is just so talented, athletic, fast, smart. IQ is off the charts. So back to what I said about, like, the Iowa coach. Like, I'm not here to get my player ready for the pros. Like, that's real. All the coaches feel that way. She's the first one that probably said it out loud but here to keep my job who who who does angel play like uh in the pros as far as when you say you know she's bigger and stronger than everybody she plays against in college like who would she compare to in the pros right now?

I think her biggest asset is the way she chases the ball off the glass. I would compare it to a Rebecca Brunson who played for the Lynx. Not the most talented offensively, but she's going to make the shots that she gets. I think Angel has actively been working on that because I know that was a big criticism of hers last season was that she didn't really have an offensive game. But that energy, that motor she has, like, that's easy. You can teach somebody some skills,

but you can't teach that motor. So I would compare it to, like, a Rebecca Brunson for sure. So she's not a natural scorer? No. Okay. She's just bigger. Energy, she goes and gets it. Goes and gets it, yeah. She goes and gets it. Goes and gets it, yeah.

She goes and gets it. Okay. I was going to say, if you're number one to pick, are you going to pick someone who's not a natural scorer? No, I'm going to pick Angel. Oh, sure. You're going to pick Angel at one? If it's Caitlyn and Angel, I'm picking Caitlyn first.

Where do you place Haley? I don't know. Five, six. Yeah. She's... I don't know what position she is. She looks like a one. She plays like a two. She's little. Little as hell. So I think this team is going to be good for her because maybe she can play that one and show everybody that she can, she's a capable point guard that can score. Obviously she can score the shit out of me.

Isn't somebody in front of her already? Haley? Yeah. At LSU. The point guard that was there last year. And they paid her five. She left? Oh, she was a senior? They paid her $500,000. Yeah, no, Alexis is gone. Oh, the NIL?

Yeah, LSU paid her $500,000 to leave Louisville. Yeah, because Jeff Wal her five hundred thousand to leave Louisville's yeah, Jeff wasn't he was like bye For that They got crazy give me that bread I'll take it well speaking of number one picks Fadeaway world dropped the list ranking the top ten number one overall picks in NBA history. It has Shaq feeling some type of way. Oh.

We got the list. We got the IG post. So, LeBron took the top spot, followed by Kareem, Magic, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Akeem, Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, David Robinson, and AI. Shaq posted the list on his IG and commented, thoughts? I say heel, no. Ooh, the auto-scratch got him. Yeah say he'll know Yeah, remember man he'll know oh I say Well, you know he was mad yeah, I like people say thoughts and then tell you the thought that they want you

to have. So Gil, sorry, are you rolling with this list or does it need to be re- Can I see it again? Yeah, please. Yeah, I was about to say pull that up again. Ah. Ah. Shit.

Okay, so when we do, okay, so when we do lists, so when we do lists are we talking about the resume or the actual? Talent themselves like their talent Right. So if if Shaq played against, you know, Kareem, that's a chihuahua versus a pitbull, right? We know Kareem can do nothing with a Shaquille O'Neal, right? So but you know, like I, one way, 215. I played at 218. You see the difference? You got 310 versus two something.

It's barbecue meat. I think it's just who's the best overall number one pick. Just their career. Just that. Just that. Just like, yeah. overall number one pick just a career just yeah so I don't just like yeah maybe maybe I mean only person ain't go in front of his probably Tim who Shaq you say yeah I mean I would drop magic I will put him Tim above magic mmm and I I'll push a couple man I was so fun as I was wondering how was house Kareem always in front of magic when magic was winning all the Nvps in the finals MVPs of that team, but I forget that

Kareem has his bucks years cream has a whole other universe. No, no, no, no Kareem has UCLA. I Don't talk about number one pick right? It's about what you're going into as the number one pick. So Magic is coming from Michigan State. Tim Duncan is coming from Wake Forest, two-time national player of the year. LeBron coming from high school. Shaq, literally at five, is probably going into it the least qualified but the most talented. And Hakeem, did don't, did Hakeem them win that year? Houston, I don't think they won a championship that year. That was back when he was our king.

So it's leading up to being number one. LeBron is, damn for sure, number one because he's coming out of high school. No, this is your stats. These are your stats while you played in the NBA. No, because look, it's overall, who was the greatest overall number one. So coming into being number one. Like your career. The whole thing.

I would say career beyond. Yeah, career. So you take number one, what did you do? What did you do? Get drafted on. Okay. See, I can't. Seven and eight, I don't really know much about because, you know. Elijah Baylor was a killer. Yeah, everyone was a killer against white folks um

damn the seven black people that played in that league they're all hall of famers we get it every single one Eldra Baylor was killing during the week serving in the military yeah yeah what was he doing

he was balling during the week putting up like 38 uh huh and during the week and then in the military. Yeah, yeah. What was he doing? He was bowling during the week, putting up like 38. Uh-huh, and during the week? And then on the weekend, he had a job. He was pimping. He was pimping. No, he had a job. Working in the military. Think of what I'm saying.

You're playing basketball, and then you have a regular job. Defending our country, Gil. You can't do that today. But it's easy when you play against Y'all rolling with AI at 10. I don't think so. He should probably bump over. Yeah, I don't One two three. I can move Shaq and at four. Yeah, I would flip-flop Shaq and Tim Duncan problem Yeah, nah Nah Shit Tim never Tim never okay as a dominant player, I don't...

Remember you said career. He was a great player, but... Is it fair to be like, take everyone's championships away? You take away championships and now it's just you? Now it's different. Now it's just you. Now it's just you? Now it's different.

See, and I think that's what Shaq is thinking. He's looking at the list like, I mean, if me and Kareem played against each other, that's easy buckets. Yeah, Shaq moves up. That's what I said. I put it back. I go off of just your talent yourself.

I go Shaq at... Hakeem moves up. Hakeem moves up to me, if that's the case, too. Hakeem moves up. I hate these damn lists. Yeah. I hate them. Like seven and eight

is just like I just can't do nothing with you. Like I don't know. You're not the old head hatred? No I'm just saying I don't know.

Are we talking you talking about you don't know as far as stats? No what I'm saying is if I look at the stats I'm pretty sure the stats gonna stand out because the era they played in. Oh no the stats go up because it's triple double he's triple double guy. No't know what I'm saying is if I look at the stats this time pretty sure the stats gonna stand out Cuz the era they played in oh no

Cuz this triple-double he's triple-double guy does I'm saying the era they played in their stats is gonna look amazing so I don't know how to quantify that against dudes who played against 90% black versus Question so now intent so I've noticed obviously we're talking about greatest of all time. Braun is like the most recent pick on this list. Do you think in like 10 years, some of these names will be replaced? Yes.

Yes. Well, you say number one pick. Is there like a minimum amount of years played? Is that why some of these other number one picks aren't anywhere? No, some of them. What other number one picks would it be? It'd be, what, Dwight Howard. Yeah.

Kyrie. Kyrie. A.D. Zion. Zion. Wimby. Wimby. Ten years?

Man, this is... What about Kat? Karl Anthony Thompson? Yeah. Nah. Huh? What about Kat? Carl Anthony Thompson? Yeah. It's a new day and when you're talking about chasing NVPs and scoring titles and all the stuff some of those older guys got, you're just shit out of luck. There's no center today that's going to beat the... I mean, who's the last great center that has the most All-Stars?

Probably Dwight. After that, Jokic and Embiid. You literally have to get voted in now. It's not even voted in. The metrics is different. So there's not going to be a sinner that's going to be able to have 15, 17 all-stars because they milked the men into the four men. So it's like, hmm. So what'd you do? You put Dwight in there in front of AI?

In front of AI? Not in front. Ooh, not in. No, no, it's not in front of AI. It's in front of Oscar or Elgin. I can't. I don't know. That's why I'm saying that. With them, because I don't know, I can look at the numbers, but ooh, these niggas are

killers, right? But I don't know. Right? I know it's for your time, and as me, it's like, I just put seven, eight question marks, but that's where y'all at. If that's where they put you at at that's what they put you at That's what it puts you at. Yeah, I mean one more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah play was seven years maybe

Like the jerky like I think about dominance like Shaq you he dominated, you know, AI Dominated like, you know, Tim Duncan did well. He was well. You went down. You went down. Did you see his voice go down on that? If they take away his championships, was he better than Carmelone at the four? Right, yeah, okay.

So he was better than Carmelone at the four? Yes. You got the old Navy thing. You know what I'm saying? Was he better than Barkley at the for Without the championships. Yes What does he have if you don't have championships? No score no scoring time Defend defense defense offense all-star all NBA all NBA

I want to hear out listen all NBA's I want to hear the do not fucking with Tim Duncan though No, no, your team had a great team defense scheme. Am I wrong? You are wrong, because he was the anchor of the whole defense. So they wasn't... Did Ginobili play defense? You don't know, right? Did Parker play defense? You don't know.

Did the four-man play? Who's Bowen? Did he play defense? Like, I mean, what I'm saying is, if you have a defensive Like your base of your team is structured on D like Timber those teams is a structure of defense So when you're talking about defense is like how do I evaluate each player? Defensively because if your whole team is defense who's getting the metrics who gets the points like because you would You didn't block what I'm saying is you get credit for the defense plus this guy plus this guy how Who's getting the metrics? Who gets the points? Like, you would defense it. You get him blocked.

What I'm saying is you get credit for the defense plus this guy, plus this guy. How? How are you guys all stopping the same defense? It was like the Detroit Pistons. Not the bad boys. That was hacking. The real defense, which was the 0-4 team. That was a defensive team, right? Who, they all

played defense, but who only- According to you, only one played defense, which was Ben Wilder. No, he's the one who got the credit. Tayshaun was probably one of the most, I mean, Rasheed was, like it was, that's what I'm saying. But what makes Karl Malone a Charles- He guards out a lot in these defensive things. Because, like, if I'm stopping him, right, and then, you know, you end up blocking him at the end,

you get the credit, not me, who did 23 minutes of... Yeah, because I blocked the shot. I should get the credit. But I forced him or her into a bad shot to get blocked. Yeah. Because if I'm not there... There's no stat for getting a stop. But look, it's not a stop.

If I don't block it and he makes the shot, it's bad defense. But if he misses it and it's good defense, I don't get a stat for that. No, you don't. Because we get the rebound and blah, blah, blah. And then you get a stat for that too. The rebound. Like, so someone asked me a question. It was like, yo, in my era, me a question. It was like yo in my era would I have been a

Could I have made all defensive team, right? Like if I apply myself on defense like that, which I did but I said there's no if you look at our That era the point guard He didn't we like 2005 six seven the point guard, there was no point guard that was on first team. No. It was all shooting guards. You have Bruce Bourne and Kobe, Larry Hughes and Kobe, Prince and, it was shooting guards,

which makes sense. The shooting guard is guarding all the guys that score, and if there's guards that are scoring, they get the metric for that too. So if I'm guarding a bunch of guards who don't score, so they average 12, for me to have a plus number, you got to score zero. But even back then- Zero to two, that is hard when you don't score much, but if you score 30 and they keep you to 20, that's 10 plus points you get as a defensive player.

But you said it yourself back then, you was probably the only real true scoring point guard. Everybody else was shooting guards that were scoring a small forward. So the all defensive teams shooting guard small forwards would make sense because we had the best guard tandem in history. So all those guys got to guard each other. It was a night in, night out thing. For you, if you was to be considered all defensive,

it would be, your team would have to be a defensive team. Yeah, it's just like my player has to score, like that's what I'm saying, if you guard AI

and AI's averaging 30 something and you hold him to 20 or in the teens, look how many points you would get on your defensive rating. Right. Right?

You know, that's what I said, if I'm guarding Smush Parker and he averages six and I leave him to zero I just get six So there you as a point guard guards, yeah, I think our shoes are sitting in the post all guys Yeah, yeah, yeah, then you would be considered at least because you were actually going up. You're playing up to actually be considered that shit.

I would be minus them. They're 300. Kobe would have had like 70. Everybody would have been putting a blender the whole time. I want to ask you this. What would make Karl Malone or Charles Barkley better than Tim Duncan if you'd taken away Tim Duncan's defense? No, I don't know. That's all I was asking.

I don't know. Because Tim is definitely better than both of them. Okay. I mean, I'm just kidding. He's... But look, he ain't even finished his career. They already had him as best power forward. Ticket or Tim?

We know he's going to pick. That's always a good conversation for me. I mean, I always edge Ticket just because I play with him, but when you really think about body of work, Tim watching the matchups, Tim did a lot, and Tim frustrated KG more than KG frustrated him. You know the funny part, when you really think about the history of the NBA NBA especially like 80s and 90s, I mean it makes sense that Tim would be put in

The number one power forward that fast because the power forward in History was usually the grunt man. Yeah, he was usually that dirty work guy Yeah, just you know hit people he was you know, he was the enforcer Okay, you know, you know, so, you know a guy who just hit people. He was the enforcer. Kevin McKinnon. So a guy who was just a pure scorer kind of made it easy. And the people he was defending, especially that early, like that early 90s, the mid 90s when all the...

And nobody talks about this in history either. Shaq changed the game because everyone was so scared to play against him when he would get coming into the draft they went two to four see nobody nobody had to go nobody realized why the center position fell off it's because all the 90s centers decided we're gonna be four man so you know the um kgs and all that like I'm too skinny to play against this dude. Hell no. So everyone became four. That's why the four men became seven foot.

Wow. And they sitting there like, yeah, I'm only 6'9". Like, come on. Get your ass down there and go on set. Come on, man. Get your ass down there and go on set. So what ends up happening is the four men, everybody they were playing against was 6'7", 6'6", 6'8". Yeah, they had an advantage.

What's up, little man? And then, you know, then our four men elevated and our centers went down. That's a good point. So, Gil, you weren't a number one pick. You were a second rounder. But you were probably one of the best draft day steals. Went on to be a three-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA. I think what a lot of people don't realize, though, in your first four seasons,

you made more money than the number one pick in your draft class. So technically, based on bread, you were the number one pick. No, no, because back then, you know, it was first round. You get, you know, three plus one, right? So you get four years, but, you know, it's a team option on the fourth. And then second round, it was one year or two years, but it's a team option on the fourth. And then second round, it was one year or two years, right? So Jason Richardson had to help me fight for just getting two years. So when I was a free agent, I signed for 64. So if the number one pick at the time was making $3 million,

the third year he was probably at $4 million. My third year, I'm already at $8 million. So by the time they got out of their deal, I'm still in front. By the time the money matched up, I'm already in another deal. That's crazy. So there was really nobody in my draft class that would have caught me in money. Well, that's the part of the reason why the league made the Gilbert Arrhenius rule to play or hate? So what we know yeah, they made the rule they made the rule and what they did is they gave so back then like teams Couldn't match their own player. Mm-hmm. So because they couldn't match me they got upset and said he's our own player

That's not fair. There needs to be a rule where I mean like they you mean? They didn't have the money to, or they just couldn't? They didn't have the money to, but because I didn't have my bird rights. So there was never a second round player that played over the mid-level that fast. Like two years. So I played over the mid-level, so because it never happened before, no one ever thought about it. So the team complained, and then they put it in the next year where whatever your second round get, you can at least match it, and it doesn't count against you against the cap. And then Boozer rearranged that shit. So what happened was Boozer, I think he had a three-year.

They gave him an extra year, so they started giving the second round three years. So he played well, and then he convinced Cleveland to let him out of the deal because he assigned You know, it's like 24 million like yeah, I signed right now Just let me out so I can sign it. I want to hear long term, but he already had a deal in Utah So soon as they let him out, he's gone. Who was the first round pick of your class? Jay will? No, uh Kwame. Oh He was Kwame's year? It was Kwame, Tyson, Eddie. Yeah, Kwame, Tyson, then Gasol, Eddie, Jason Richardson. Oh man, 98, okay. Safe pick. So I want to say

the first two years you made like 800 grand total. That's a lot of money, but not by NBA standards. So what was it like for you going from NBA broke boy to a big baller because I mean I was I was rich in college and then went broke I took a dip. I took a dip. I took a dip. It was hard out in the streets. What am I doing? What am I doing? It was a blessing because your first two years when everyone gets money, they go out there and they buy the things that they want. With me, I didn't get that luxury. So it's still like really struggling, but I have a name and I have this, I have been

successful already. Most improved sophomore all-star, I mean, MVP of the all-star, one rookie of the month, one player of the month. So I was already... So when I signed my deal, it was really nothing I wanted. You know, I bought a Range Rover and like S 700. You upgraded from the Escalade to a Range Rover. Yeah. Um, you got a Benz too, didn't you? The, it was the seven 60, but it got the BMW. Yeah. The seven 60. But other than that, it was really, and then I, I, I, I party cause

you know, I got, I was old enough now to party and then I got hurt and then I just like oh see this I believe party you'd hurt strippers It was just a regular club. What we going tonight? Strip club. It was just a regular club. Just to get the bottles. Like, yeah, they said to pop the bottles.

Keep me semi-hypnotic. It was out of style then. I look stupid. Incredible. Incredible. Let me get some hypnotic. Hypnotic. And it was like hypnotic.

We don't feel that. We don't feel that. They put the bottle. I didn't get to blow the dust off. Incredible? Let me get some hypnotic. Hypnotic? And they was like, hypnotic? Oh. We don't feel that. We don't feel that. And they put the bottle. Yep. And they blow the dust off. Under everything else.

Like, did you just get money? Yes. Sure did. Who invented Incredible Hulk, and why the fuck did we do that? Hypnotic and Hennessy, bro. I had that one time. Who thought that that was a good idea? It was not a good idea.

It was not a good idea. You're chasing Hennessy with hypnotic? Listen, you wake up like you don't want to wake up. You go back to sleep. You was wilder last night. You was wild. Incredible Hulk. You was Incredible Hulk last night.

You know you picked her up above your head. You're not supposed to do shit like that in the club. Incredible Hulk. You got your shirt off and all kinds of shit. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. Let's head over to the Bay, back to the Bay, where you spent your first two years. Klay Thompson is the second longest-tenured player

on the Warriors behind Steph Curry. He's been an integral part of their dynasty. His future with the Dubs, still uncertain entering the last year of his deal, and reports are there are no progress being made on any extension, as Klay and the Warriors aren't aligned on years or bread. Give Clay his money.

Clay posted this story on his IG Monday. It's just me against the world. The type of energy I'm on. All season. Oh, shit, Clay. With this guy. Emotional damage. He ain't going nowhere.

So, as the Warriors roster currently stands, Steph signed through 2026. Draymond re-signed this offseason, has a player option 2027. Wiggins has a player option 2027. CP3 and Kevon Looney are signed through 25. And Kaminga and Moody have team options after this season. So, looking at everything that's going on and we interviewed Steph this summer just about you know was this kind of the last dynasty run for this warrior squad as we know it but will the Warriors do right by Klay? You know at the end of the day man just like anything someone has to

get screwed right and you know you always going into a situation like, I hope it ain't me. Like you said, everyone's signed right now, and he's the last one trying to negotiate. And the leverage is, who's going to pay him the money he's asking for if he leaves? Everybody. It's Klay Thompson. It's Klay.

If you know the metrics, the only system he really fits in that uses him the way he's used is that system. He could fit in the Lakers system. We haven't seen him in any other system. Sit in the corner? The Lakers don't even move fast enough for Clay to be able to. No, what AR doing, Clay can do. Clay don't put the ball on the...

Clay do not put the ball on the basket. I mean, on the floor. He can't dribble like that, which is sad. AR is not out there mixing and mastering. He is. No, he not. He's two dribbles to the lane, paint, touch, shoot. He plays the point guard.

Even if you put AR at the point, you could put clay. You got, you got... They don't have the offense for it. You don't think a team would like adjust their offense? For clay? For 30, 40, 50 million? Yes, right now? Or is it paying CP? I think they keep them down. No, CP is getting paid for what he was already getting paid.

Bob Myers is going to gonna pay him Bob out I don't I know that's what I'm saying Bob would pay him but Mike Dunleavy I don't think he rolling that's part of reason Bob said he left like he didn't have to be the one to make I'm sure that's what I'm saying. It's it's Like it's it's someone has to get but they did it to Jordan already I feel like the bad guy was already the one that got fucked over was Jordan Poole here's a question that sucks to ask but

Has clay gotten better in the last six years At least not the last three years No, I can't do crazy injury. I before the injuries, when you look at his game, has he actually, him, gotten better? Or has it been Steph who's gotten better? He's been really good at what he does. That's not a bad question, Gil. Probably under the idea that he never was going to go anywhere. Sometimes guys get better or find something else to do

because they want to go somewhere else. Someone else is offering something or they see the grass being greener somewhere else. I just don't think that's ever been on his mind. And that's why he's just been so elite on that team for so long. He's been consistent, though. I mean, when you think about him just improving as an individual, like I was like- You got to talk about it. Like dribbling.

Talk about it. Because I made a statement way back when Kirby, before Kirby was like blowing, I was like, man, if Klay B got his handles right, I would put him at the point guard and get a bigger shooting guard. Straight up. Right? But it was like, you know, all of this time you haven't been working on ball handling right I will put him at the point guard and get a bigger shooting guard straight up right but it was like you know all of this time you haven't you haven't been working on ball handling for you to

even has he had to though but that's what I'm saying what is he doing you have all these ball handlers around you what you putting the ball on the floor for so well the question like you said the question is has he gotten better and if you had gotten better your trade value of going to another team you have those attributes to show now i can actually play pick and roll because i i was off the ball in the warriors you send me somewhere else where i could actually move and now we see you got oh clay always had this bag with him but if you don't now like you're saying with the Lakers, you're saying it for a reason. You're saying, hey, man, we don't see this nigga put the ball on the floor.

He ain't doing it like that. And it's like, has he gotten better? I like that. I like that. If I'm paying 50, if I'm going to pay him 40-something million, that 40-something million has to be in the element that makes him good. And the element that makes him good is how the Warriors play. How they play, not how I play.

So if I'm Dallas and I got Luka that sits there and Kyrie that sits there and he's just in the corner and he's a corner dude, I got $50 million wasted. In the corner, yeah. Right? and he's a corner dude, I got $50 million wasted. I mean, that's not how I want Clay, but if I'm Golden State, I'm paying you. You did your job, right? You did your job. You won me my rings, and the evaluation is the payday.

My evaluation on my franchise is what you did. I went from when you guys got here, I was at what? A billion and some change? I think like 800 in the initial stages, not at 8 billion. Now I'm at 8 billion. So the three of y'all, y'all got me seven something billion dollars.

Let's go. I don't care. What I'm saying is me winning you did it. Think about it. Someone made you 7 point something billion dollars. Unless I paid them 7 something billion whatever I get is worth it.

I'm worth it. If I don't win for the next something years it was worth it. Do you give him what he's asking for? Yes. You said you give Clay as a warrior. for? Yes. Yeah, you said you give clay I am I mean as a warrior Okay, what I'm saying is I was at 800 when I bought this team and I said I'm at a billion

You three did your job? Yeah, right. So is clay asking for more than what Dre? Is asking and Wiggins was asking for does he get more than him? Because of his particular part that he played you know yeah he's I mean he's second option yes I can nice yeah so when you talk about which I'm pretty sure he's asking for his max whatever his max is I'm pretty sure he's asking for that's I'm saying I'm not hesitating so you do they have it for to give it to Silicon Valley got that nobody listen. So basically saying the Warriors should be loyal to the big three but my question for you would be for how long right like

So even if you give him this new deal, do you just have important 7 billion? But do you just ride it to all them dudes are ready to dip? Yeah All right money we gave you the next extension. The wheels fall off. They did. When you're talking about loyalty and business, right,

you have to look at them and when you go, you go to sleep, you go to sleep good at night because of them. Right? Real shit. That's why you get the whatever you buy in is because of them all three yeah yeah right and a coach yeah the four of them right you know I mean so that's that's you know that's

who your loyalty is to right that's who built a I mean that I mean that sounds great But I think when we look at American culture, I'm just saying no no no you're right But owners don't give a fuck about labor for the most part right y'all built this for me I said I need y'all take a pay cut so I can make a little bit more bread Yeah, when you put the problem when you show loyalty When you show loyalty, the player shows loyalty. When you start showing that you're loyal to these players, think about just this player who's going to have a son.

You know what I mean? He might want to go. Think about colleges right now. Jason Richardson, they was loyal to him. His son goes there. There's legacies. You're going to own this team through a few legacies., right and you have to really think about like what you're doing like this This player has a fan base, right?

However, he feels his fan base is gonna feel you might have another kid who wants to go into the situation, right? So you have to think about the longevity of of what you're doing all this their future steps Yeah, right. So they're not gonna be quick to leave and say oh well my player didn't like why would I want to be here? They're all the future steps. Yeah. Right? So they're not going to be quick to leave and say, oh, well, my player didn't like it. Why would I want to be here? They're not going to do that. Yeah. You know, that's why New York fell off.

You know, how you talk about New York, how the media talks about New York, all the New York fans, how y'all do, it makes players that's growing up reluctant to go there. Hey, man. So if you play now, should you feel disrespected by the Warriors and what's going on? Of course. You know, claim out, should you feel disrespected by the Warriors and what's going on?

Of course. You know, I mean, we all expect that when we ask for something, give it to me. Right? You know, like I got four rings. I've done it. You see my work ethic. You see this. We shouldn't even be negotiating.

Right? But, you know, it's never that easy. Should he have posted that? Yeah, I mean, it's emotions, man. You know, that's... Because they didn't make anybody else wait, like him,

as far as the contract restriction. Draymond, he had to wait. How long? Shit, everyone thought Draymond was gone. Yeah, I mean,

he was going into free agency this past summer, if I'm not mistaken. But the Jordan Poole situation was lingering. No, he went into the free agency, right? Yeah.

No. I mean, they got the deal done, I think, before. Right before the free agency. It's that same shit. But that was a lingering thing for him. The reason why they were reluctant to go right away with him. Is Kaminga going to feel that wrath this year? What you getting at?

Listen, someone has to be... Watch your tongue. Someone's going to get... Because he got a chip on his shoulder. It looked like he was going to have a chip on his shoulder. No, Clay. So it was like, how is Clay going to play? Shit, that's the one I pay now because, I mean, it can go all bad. It can go all good.

That's what I'm saying. He can be out there on demon time. Seriously, then what are you going to do? He can be out there on demon time. You're going to do it in. I mean, obviously, as soon as that happens you play So if you're the Warriors though, do you approach it with the wait-and-see mentality because to your point if you don't go demon time We don't want to overpay you. Yeah, I mean at the end of the day

What are you waiting for if you're gonna sign them back? Like there's nothing that And if they are waiting for him to like go crazy in the season that is disrespectful that's disrespectful because even if he plays on up to this point i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure they're hoping he starts off rugged so they can be like okay is this what you were any signs like it's what the games what's the game yeah it's nasty nasty work so let's say clay's balling and it looks like you're not gonna be able to pay him it's early in the season my team's worth $8 billion. But should the Warriors just even look to move Klay at the deadline?

My team is worth $8 billion. But we're trying to get to $9 billion. Okay, look. First of all, how many teams in history has won a championship when they traded during the middle of the season? All four pistons for sure. That's it, right? That's the only ones I can think of. With Rasheed and him? during the middle of the season? 0-4 Pistons for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's it, right?

That's the only ones I can think of. With Rasheed and him. 0-4 Rasheed. Did the Miami team, the 0-6 Miami team trade me a season? Nah. That was their whole team coming in?

The four key players. They traded Aguilar. Mark was in... The Mavericks? Aguilar. Aguilar got traded. Yeah. Rasheed was traded mid-season, right?

Yeah, mid-season Rasheed., but I'm saying other than that like that's Trading key players in the middle see that don't it's hard Be quiet before she so it ain't like so when your team makes a tree Count that your championship that shit is over. Is he playing for championships anymore clay? It's all three of them together. I think so. No, I'm saying if he gets traded, if the champs move him, right? And you know, he's like, I'm cool. Get me out of here. Man, he got full. So he's looking for max money regardless. At this point in life? He should. I mean... Come on, man. They giving it. I mean, come on, man. They're giving it. I mean, it's 2-3, hun.

They're giving 2. I mean, he's probably asking for like 2-10, 2-15. What's his numbers? What's his numbers like? Last season, 22, 22-4, 2 assists. He was 22? Oh, no, he's averaging 20. 44% from the field, 41% from the field.

He's been averaging 20 for the last seven years. He's been averaging. You got to give him that money. If it didn't dip under, if he ain't have no bad year. All for two injuries. Major injuries. No, you got to give him that bread. Major injuries.

He deserve it, for sure. Because we didn't expect him to come back and do those numbers. And in theory now, this would be three seasons removed from. This would be his. The theory now, this is three seasons removed from... The problem is this would be his healthy season. That's what I was saying to you earlier. Championship 2022 last year, this is his real year.

That's what I was saying to you. Clay's going to have some. He got something to prove. It's one of those things where Golden State, you're really not in position to really negotiate because it can turn bad. Because what happens is both his boys are still there and they're signed. Yep.

He looking crazy. If they loyal, they're going to be like, all right, we're going to start making sure you're going to get them that 45, that 60. You're going to be breaking records that right, we're going to start making sure you're going to get them that 45, that 60. You're going to be breaking records that you, you know what I mean? And you don't want that now Clay averaged them 28. Oh, you're saying from a player standpoint. From a player standpoint. Oh, yeah.

They locked in. They want to keep him there. I already got my money. I'm trying to get, yeah. Because we know when Kirby's off the court, we know what Clay looked like. Yeah. He was averaging 31 when Curry wasn't playing. Average. Every time

Curry didn't play, Klay averages 31. Now you're talking about supermax. Y'all better stop playing with the boy. But you got CP out there that'll give him that rock too, so it's almost like you're saying we'll serve you, bro. We know what's going on. And a lot of players do know

those situations where it's like, man he in the contract bro yeah he in contract mode so you know yeah last season without steph uh 26 5 and 3 and 20 games without steph curry left you know that's nice that's nice what are you doing so but you say you would stay loyal to that big three but for how long? At the detriment of your franchise for several years after that? Just as an appreciation for what they were able to build? Like, how did this impact your young core now? It's what, 26, 27, right?

Curry would be what, 38, 37, 38? If I'm not mistaken. That's when, you know, when they get to that point, that's when we're negotiating. Okay. Like, you know, I'm an A, you know, fellas. You know what I mean? We need to move on from them, so I can't pay you max money. I want you to retire here, so I can give you, you know, 20 a year.

I can't give you 50 a year. I can give you 20 a year so I can start building in the right direction. Give them under the table love. I mean. We got the new Uber for you. You know what I mean? I'm just saying. You think that they're actually thinking longevity like we want you to retire?

I think so. The Warriors are thinking that. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it would be great to see. It would be so nice to see all three of them retire in Golden State. At the same time, too. That'd be a great ceremony.

And then imagine that last few seasons where people are like, is this our last season together? Right. That's what I'm thinking about. And then let's say they go, this is our- You know how much money they're going to make? This is our last season. Yeah, if they say this is our last season together.

The tour. The tour. The camera's out. All three? This is our last tour? Oh my gosh, who's gonna be the Scotty in that I was setting the screen. I was setting the screen. I was getting the rebound. I was getting the text. We got a couple more on this topic Who has been more important to the Warriors dynasty clay or drama? He said clay was the second option. That's on offense overall. Who do you feel like has been more important? That's a loaded question It's a hard one. Yes., it's hard because they both...

Clay benefited from Draymond. Draymond assist benefited from Clay because that's where it went. Like, we do the pick and roll, kick it back to me. I drive. They dumb. I pass it to Clay, right? So...

Clay is the second. You put Clay above Dre. Yeah. Because I can't... It's hard to find another Clay. I can find someone to just be a... I can find a Draymond type. If I have Clay and Steph,

I can find a Draymond type. Someone who can come in, grab, and go, and pass. I can find a dream on type Someone who can come and grab and go and Pat I can find out you told me last season. You can't find another dream on That's why I said type. Yeah, that's why he's it type ties that dream on time I can find I can find the bootleg Dremel You can find like somebody that's gonna rebound the screen and pass screen passes to light skin. Just look like skin Just you know, it looks white but it's tan, you know What you think

I'm gonna say clay but I think the most special thing about this Golden State team is that we all know, they know that they all need each other, which is why none of them have left. And I feel like all three of them would have been just fine on another team. I think they would have scored their points. I think they would have made their money. But what they have is very special. And even though we all know that everything goes through them, like it is very hard for people to even stop them.

And that's how they have so many championships. So, I mean, you can say Klay is more important than Draymond, but it just depends on what lens you're looking through. So we've talked historically over the entire dynasty, but right now today, what is it, the 17th of October, who is more important to the Warriors, Klay or Draymond? Why are you staring at me?

Like you want to fight? No, I'm just thinking. Like you're about to go get the blickies. Who's more important? Klay. Klay. Still Klay? Yeah.

Because, I mean, yeah. Point, bro. That's a point. End of the day. It's just what he brings. As long as he's on the court, it's hard to double Steph. Yeah. It just.

It is more than that because it's an automatic clip It's not just going how he scores it how fast he can score He could turn that bitch on like that like look down you like maybe was just up 12 clay just hit three straight in two minutes and he's truly the only Was a psychopath on the team yeah mentally. Mentally. Yeah, he don't care. The concept of time, score, doesn't matter. So when you're talking about making a

comeback or shooting that big shot, he's the only one who has no thought process of what's going on. So, you know, when they're down, he's the most dangerous person on the court because he's going to shoot shots like it's just practice. I think that's

in history. I think he is historically the most psychopathic scorer I've ever seen. Catch, shot, not even blinking. Don't matter where you are, where your hand at. And I still haven't seen nobody really block his shot, knowing

that he's going to shoot it when he catch it. Like, you're supposed to know as soon as he catch that, bitch, he's putting it up. So I like the fact that Klay has that advantage to be considered the second value on the team, for sure. I can see it going either way, and that's obviously a difficult question to ask, because everything Draymond brings on the defensive side,

basically being a point guard on the offensive side. No, I mean, for that team, for the team itself, there was one point where he was actually the most important player on the team. It's because, you know, steals, deflections. Yeah, two ways. Blocks, altered shots, rebounds, assists like though he held every category but scoring right? It's like, you know, you replace him It's like ooh this team and the occasional dick kick to which Fear like I mean it was just like what I'm saying is

So many, you know categories it was like man, this is... It was a natural motion. I'd like to extend that for her. All right, let's keep this thing moving. The NBA's new load management rules take effect this season, and the league is shifting its stance. Former Pistons bad boy and six-time All-Star Joe Dumars, who is the executive vice president of basketball operations, had this to say about the science behind load management.

Before, it was a given conclusion that the data showed that you had to rest players a certain amount, and that justified them sitting out. We've gotten more data, and it just doesn't show that resting, sitting guys out, correlates with lack of injuries or fatigue or anything like that. What it does show is maybe guys aren't as efficient on the second night of a back-to-back. So Dumars also added the following. Obviously, everybody's not going to play 82 games, but everyone should want to play 82 games, and that's the culture that we are trying to reestablish right now.

From your favorite team, Gil, the Bad Boys Pistons, Joe Dumars. So Dumars met with coaches from all 30 NBA teams to relay this message, but not everyone is buying it. According to The Athletic, one unnamed coach had this to say, it's just PR. There are plenty of other studies that prove load management makes sense from an injury and recovery

standpoint. So we'll start with you. Thoughts on the league's new stance on load management? It's not on thoughts on the league's new stance. Oh, there's not on thoughts on the league. That's the stance That's my stance. Okay. That's my stance when we had I believe you instead of all don't stop. Yeah, he was over here. Yeah, he was here and I said They have not actually realized load management is the reason everyone's getting hurt because now the guys are out of shape. Yep.

Right? I was the one who was saying that. Right? Because you're out of shape and you're not in peak performance, what happens is when you go out there and your body is not used to what you're capable of doing, you pull injuries. You're hurt. That's why, you know, I told you, I said, if you're lifting 300 pounds and that's what

you can do, and then you take a week off and then go back and try to lift that same 300. It's going to hurt. That's going to hurt you. You're going to pull something. Right? The same thing with sports. If I done took two, three days off and then I go out there and try to, yeah, I feel great. My body feels great.

But my muscles is not ready to do what I'm about to do. Right? You have to really, like, come on, Jordan and play. Like I'm looking at Jordan, 82 games, 82 games, 82 games, 81, 82 games, 82 games, 81. There's a reason behind it. Played 82 games, nine times, 81 once, 80 another time. Gil, even early on in your career, you was out there. No, but as I said, but when you look at history, it's like these guys these guys you're talking about one of the most athletic players played Long why because he trained all day his body was used to it

His body's was prepared to do the weird things that he was gonna do out there if you're not in condition to do that But if you even taken if you taking games off just to take games off, that's weird in itself. It's like, why would you just... Because you're not hurt. If you're not hurt, you should be playing. Why are you chilling on the side? Do you think, like, if they maybe play, like, less minutes in a game,

but that's going to affect, like, all their stats and stuff too, so is that why they just opt to not play at all? Because they could go play, if they average in 28 minutes. They could go play 20 But maybe they might not get there Averages. Yeah, so so in the 82. Okay, so in an 82 game Season right The elite like the the one two those five players, right? They're mentally there 77, right? After them, 70. After them, 62. The guys you're like, ah, they're this close to an all-star.

They're in the middle at 41, right? That are mentally there. So what happens is if everyone's there for 65 games, right, the mentality drops too. So I'm playing 65 games, but mentally I'm only there for 54 of them, 55. That's what you're bringing into the game now. Yeah. Right? So if this guy is only playing 65 games, that means he only really mentally came to play 55 of them.

So you're bringing down a talent thinking that, oh, if we take 82 games, but he only plays 65, those 65 are going to be so elite that it's going to... No, that's not how a fucking game works. Right. He has to physically go out there and play the game and mentally be prepared. You're assuming that all 65 of those games, he's going to have a great night of rest, a great day.

Right. I already know what they did. They go, they look at your schedule, and then the games you didn't play well, they chink them off, and they say, oh, he played excellent 70 games. So if we keep him around 70 games, this is what we're going to get.

For all 70 or not. There's no science behind it. Yeah, it's just, it's dumb, man. It's mostly the back-to-backs that they're really complaining about. I think the guys don't want to play back-to-backs. No, back-to-backs, let's just made it just it's dumb man. I mostly to back the backs that they really complaining about I think they the guys don't want to play back to back. No back to back. Let's your duck back to basses It's like gut punches. You know, I'm saying is you really are. Yeah, that's it. It's a challenge It's that's what it sounds. This is a mental game. The elite is it's a mental war right when you're talking about Kobe nine games, you know 40 plus It's a mental war, right? When you're talking about Kobe,

nine games, you know, 40 plus, right? That is mental. Mentally being prepared to play, right? You know, that James Harden stretch. Yeah. Where it was damn near 40 something games with 30 plus. Yeah. That is not, you can't,

your science does not Can't calculate that right? It doesn't right whatever you you can attach things to to see how his body's working It does not measure you can't figure it out, right? Yeah, it's it's mentally like, you know The game clicked on it and he turned into another mode like I'm gonna put some things on me it was one of those years. And, um, it was like when it was first trying to do science of how the body works and they were like, yeah, you know, your output is only, um, 15% a day. You know, you're really weak, you know, you're dehydrated, you know, you're going to go

score below, you know, uh, 20 points. And I was I was like oh that's what it says you clicked on mentally right there I'm like does it does it does this tell you who I'm playing against he's sorry as hell on defense he's afraid of me and I'm averaging 30 does it does that tell you this no we'll get this off of me cuz I'm scoring 40 against him tonight scored 43 yeah, this doesn't tell you how I feel about that dude in there. My body can be 100 and I'm scared of you. Right?

I want to sit out because I know you're going to hold me to 15. Right? This doesn't tell you that. So it's a mental thing that they can't measure. And everything they're trying to do sounds just dumb. What about the potential of shortening the season,

which has been thrown out? Are you for or against that? Or play the 82, because y'all had to play the 82. Toughen up, as the kids would say. You're changing history. You're changing, like, you're telling us that we have to, players have to compete with these invisible names that you got.

You got people in the Hall of Fame that you don't want to put out But I'm getting measured to them right you know my all-stars versus this all-star They got 12 all-stars, and you you know I got three, but they're 12 It was only 16 players in the league so shit 14 of them had to make it like Like stop like you know to me just stop like you know unless you're changing the metrics on stats as a whole and you're saying, all right, it's top 25 ever, at least put them in decades because you're changing rules. When y'all made the three-point line smaller, you went from 24 feet to 22 feet, there should have been an adjustment in stats then

Right because the guys who were shooting threes before the guys who wasn't three-point shooters absolutely There should have just been like it should have been gap so we can all see the change Like people didn't even know the three-point line changed in 94 95 until I said That's a man Some of them weren't alive for that to see it. If you're getting paid all this damn money, you should be playing. No facts.

That's, that's... Like, the money has increased, right? So there shouldn't be no reason. To me, it's tough. Like you said, mental toughness. But if you're a star player and you want to sit out back-to-backs, man, I'm already looking at you weird.

I'm already like, yo, what is this? Why would you want to sit out on a back-to-back and not quadruple your production? Because I'm tired like yo, what is this? Why would you want to sit out on the back-to-back and not quadruple your production? Cuz I'm tired a little bit like I'm a little bit of come on man Rollin and I just why I like and Edwards when he came out and he was saying that like I don't know What's up with this load management shit? I'm not rolling I'm not rolling with it. He took the Kobe approach when you know, Kobe's like there's somebody out there when cold got it from Mike

Somebody's out there to come see me play for the first time and they're in the nosebleeds and they spent a hard-on money To come out here to watch me and I'm sitting Or because I'm in Memphis. Yeah, cuz I I feel like we gonna win this game. I don't want to play Like that's unfair to the game I mean, you know the fan to when you're excited to see your favorite players come into town and you pull up to that game and they're not playing, that shit hurts. I mean, I don't care about, to be honest, I don't care about the fan part of it. It's just, I mean, you know what I mean?

It's the competition. Like, it's just comp. Like, the person you sit now, that's an NBA player. Right? Who's trying to take your spot. Yeah, that's an NBA player. Right? Who's trying to take your spot. Yeah, he want to beat you. Right? Man, I wish we had players when I played on a team that took low management.

I would have been starting a long time ago. Oh, you're taking the day off? Coach, you got to play me now. You got to play me. Yep. I took your position, and trust me, I'm not taking no days off because I'm not giving you a chance to get it back. Yep. That mentality is gone, though.

Yeah, I don't like... It's gone, yeah. It's gone completely. But again, we talk about how the injury... Practice? What happened to practice? No, they don't practice. Huh?

That's what I'm saying. I mean, like, all you guys, all the media, league, all y'all who killed Allen Iverson for the practice statement, y'all should be apologizing. Apologizing because he missed practice, played in a game. They are missing games. And none of y'all are saying shit. Hey, talk about it. Like, y'all even run those clips today.

We ain't talking about the game because, yeah, we're not talking about the game. When the game come, he was there 100%. He's playing 1,000 miles an hour. He's giving you his all. Every game. And y'all crucified this man for that. And now you're allowing.

You're putting rules in. So they can miss games. You know, just don't have two stars miss games games He was missing free practice. They're missing paid games. Hey, I'm sure the niggas in practice too. They at practice Practice I remember when he said practice, and I'm sitting there like, yeah, what's wrong with that? What practice is? I think about it. What are we practicing for?

What was Philly? What were y'all arguing? What was the concept of killing this man for not practicing? What were they going to practice? Hey, AI, get the ball and go score. Because that's what the game was. Here, AI, go score. Is that what he needs to practice practice on giving me the ball the whole time to go score and practice Like no like hey, I'm gonna sit out y'all do something without me

Really think that the James Harden is sitting they sit in practice doing James Harden. No, that's what they do in the game. Like, no one practices like that. I used to love when our best players would not practice because now we get all the rest. I mean, I like that. Earlier in my career when I wasn't playing at all and they decided to rest for practice, now I get to go play and go show what I can do. And that's really the point of in-season practices. Yeah, because you feel like you now,

like, one of the guys that can potentially be one of the guys. It's like, let me show coach. I don't want to watch y'all have the ball the whole time in the game and in practice. That was my argument when I wasn't playing. So I wasn't playing in the game and I wasn't practicing. You know, you'd be like, hey, hey, hey, Mook, let me get you. Yeah, let me get you, bro. Sit down. Oh, man, I'm trying to feel. They used to do that shit all the time. I wasn't practicing. You'd be like, hey, hey, hey, Mook, let me get you. Yeah, let me get you, bro. Sit down.

They used to do that shit all the time. I'm serious. Come on, let me get one of y'all, man. Come on, man. Y'all playing all the games and practice too. And it was like, that was a thing. Be mad, bro. They playing pick up. I want to play pick up. I got next. That's why I said

I got next, bro. No, I had's why I said I was I got next bro no I had next I used to do that too hey man I got bad me I got no no I don't want you I don't want you I don't want you and it was like nah that's not how this work and I put that's why I said I was in the keys art I was in the keys art pro-am league in San Francisco during our season and it was like yo you're not allowed to be in this uh Art Pro-Am League in San Francisco during our season. And they was like, yo, you're not allowed to be in a Pro-Am? That's the only place I get to play. Stop playing with me.

Stop playing with me. I get to play out here. I'm playing at the park. I'm playing at like... Playing everywhere. What happens? I get hurt. What am I going to do?

Sit some more? Sit with the same suit. Sit with the suit, injured or healthy. I'm sitting. I know where I'm sitting at. Seat 15 maybe 14 if somebody just like to get up you screwed it up and sit scout team was the best we scouting we scouting against oh I'm that guy today they used to be mad why are you going full speed uh because I'm not playing Look we playing against Washington where's this Gilbert arena?

Everybody's good play on other side. I'll was like, oh, Ray Allen today? I was like, Ray Allen today? All three. The best part, your teammates get mad at you. It's like, yo, I'm right. That's what he's going to do to you in the game. Not the teammates. It's the starters that get mad. A hundred percent. Because the coach is like, God, are we going to stop this?

Nope. Not today. I'm going to get this thing off. Because he's Ray Allen, but he's playing his game. A hundred percent. Da-bow. Da-bow. Talking shit and everything. Y'all going to have to guard this tonight. Hey, I'm not even Ray Allen y'all

I'm not Ray Allen Ray Allen better than me You be talking if I'm doing this reality, we're gonna get killed today boy. We're getting cute We hated to practice like Laurent profit was practice Kobe. Leron Raffido. Leron Raffido. Leron was practice Kobe, and that was a headache because he was athletic like Kobe. He walked, he had the mannerisms and all that. Yeah, he had the whole mannerisms,

so he played like him, but his game was different, but now you give him the ultimate green light, and it was like, oh, I'm not darned, dude. It's crazy how that mindset shifts like in a practice where you're like you're on the scout team do whatever you want you like turn into a just a completely different player and then your coach sees that and they still don't play you they don't it's like they enjoy they enjoy the show confidence in a game that y'all give me in

practice what type of player i'm gonna be on the the court? Come on. But they just sit you down. And all their practices go overlooked. It's like, once upon a time in practice, I used to cook you. No, no, no. I told a young fellow today, he was like, man, I'm cooking in practice. I said, man, to be honest, that don't mean shit. No, it don't. And I said, it don't mean nothing because the star players don't value practice

after a certain time. And coaches understand that. So you cooking in practice really doesn't get evaluated like that. Right? So, you know, I told him, I said, man, you have to play the long game. Which means is you put yourself in a routine. And the routine is do not be an NBA player. You know, like you become an NBA player when the season's over with. Because

what happens is the NBA players, when they get in season, they go hard at the beginning, then they're going to start clubbing, they're going to start partying, they're going to start drinking, they're going to start being NBA dudes. That's when you become the professional. Yeah. Right? You have your practice regimen, and before practice, like practice at 11, get there at 8, work with the team, work by yourself, film, practice, after, break down film, what you need to do, massage.

You treat it like a job. Yep. Right? Don't go out, you know, because there's dudes that's behind you or in front of you, right? They're going to be like, yo, yo, come on, hang out with me. Because they already know what they're doing, right? They already know what they're doing. You don't. So they, hey, come on, take these shots. Let's go there. Now you drunk. You ain't ready for the game. Coach

put you in. You playing like trash. Cool. NBA player. That doesn't set you back three weeks, right? And they will put you into that because you're trying to take their job. Yep. Right? So y'all teammates, but y'all not teammates like that. Co-workers. Co-workers. And that's really how it is.

Like, I'm not, you know, I'm trying to find a chink. Oh, you partying like that. Cool. Soon as you're coming in, like, oh, man, I'm a calf sword, man. Soon as startup, meow on running around you but does the evaluation that the GM's be given though. They say he's a pro Mm-hmm. They say he was a pros Right and there's guys who yeah, he come in. He he's a one of the guys on the team Mm-hmm. Those are the NBA players you talking about like yeah, he on the team he go do his thing

but this this guy right here, like David West, was like a pro's pro. You know what I'm saying? You knew what you was going to get from him. He's a hard hat guy. You know what I'm saying? Blue collar. He's going to do his job, go home, and be ready. But a lot of those guys, like you're talking about, they go out.

I turned into one of those guys just because when you're not playing, you try to figure out how to be a pro mentally and then how not to buy into the temptation of trying to be something else that you think may get you opportunity but it don't because you're trying to hang with the guys that are doing it. And it's like, damn, what if I do go home and chill and I don't get the opportunity? I said, I had a lot of work that I could have got

I missed out on a lot of work work was trying to be a pro's pro and it didn't work out for me so those are always the mental battles it's like it's mental like you know working and doing it and I told him I said man it's a long game it's a long season and you know you want to be prepared for when they call your name. And the reason is because it might took three months before they called your name, right? And when they called and you ain't prepared, it might take another six, seven months to call it. So you need to be so prepared when they call your name and you get in. I said, even, I said, you're the type of dude when you're on the end of the bench, when the defense is on your side the defense is on your side you Helping your team watch the back door watch the back door watch that you have to be like a coach watch the back door So when they look down you engaged right you engage like water like oh you got some luck

You you supposed to be that dude he call your name I don't give a fuck if it's point five seconds on the clock in the fourth quarter you rip that My rookie season I got called to sub in with like a second left and I walked Was you upset was it the upset? Yeah, it was like why are you putting me in right now one second? Yeah fucking the stats And we were on defense. I was going out to guard Diana Taurasi. My rookie year. One second left.

Going into the half, so whatever. But you can say you locked her up. I don't even remember the play because after it happened, I saw his reaction and it was Kurt, my coach now. So we have a lot of fun stories too from my rookie year. Yeah. When I sat down in the locker room,

it came from my teammates first, and then he came in and did the same. So the team got you. I've never done that again. And I always tell the babies on my team now, because now I'm a veteran, don't do that. And I'm not telling you because I'm trying to be the boss to you. I'm telling you because I did it once,

and I got embarrassed in the locker room in front of everybody about walking to the table. But one of the hardest things for me was getting mentally ready for every game to be ready to play and you don't play. The first time that happened to me, I went home and cried. I was like, this sucks. What is this? And it just kept happening and happening and happening but like gil said like you have that one game where you go in and you're not prepared like you might not get that opportunity again so you have to i've talked to so many of my younger teammates about that i love how do i stay right like you just have to love it that was that was my biggest challenge my year, I was coming off a micro fracture. And this was the year I averaged 15 a game.

In 2008, toughest, I believe the toughest era, basketball. And to be mentally prepared. Everything you're saying I went through the year prior. So coming into that year, and I'm watching the first quarter go by, eight minutes, 13, three minutes left in the first quarter go by eight minutes 13 three minutes left in the first okay coach and all I heard was shoddy go ahead and that was I knew I knew my time was coming at some point during five minutes left three minutes left or we've let them rock out for the whole first quarter but second

quarter was all mine I knew you had to call my number because I was prepared yeah I had already locked in everything both of y'all had said was like okay as soon as he called my name i know it's i know it's not because he has to but it's because he knows that i'm prepared and that he needs me because he's looking at the game like all right we need to run we need some scoring shotty shotty. Wish out here. Go ahead your time bed ready Packs off. I'm already ready. You know I'm saying but a lot of these young kids don't be understanding You got to get past that wall first that you're talking about is you sit there you're like damn I played 26 minutes the yesterday I

Ain't even gonna touch the flow tonight. Yeah, but then you might play 30 minutes Yeah, the next game my second year my then you might play 30 minutes the next game. Yeah, and that would be my second year. My first year, I played no minutes. My second year, I was first or second off the bench for the year. But, yeah, some games I'd play, like, 35. The next game, I'd play, like, 14. So I'd be like, what the fuck?

Tough. You just got to get over that. Listen, I used to treat, like, you'll sub me in for five seconds at the end of the game, bro. I don't. I'm picking up full court because I'm fat. This is the thing. They used to bet to see if I'm going to get a shot up. So I'm playing hard and I'll foul. I'll get a free throw.

Go shoot the free throw so I get the ball. Give me the ball. I'm going to get a shot somehow. So I used to do that so much where I'm you call my name, bro. I'm knocking everything. I'm jumping out come in I'll be in the middle and I'm throwing my shit back So it looked like I'm so excited just to be in the game And I remember one day man a coach put me in in the middle of a game Like it was like two minutes like the last two minutes

Against ticket them it was we're down eight Two minutes going into the it was like two minutes, like the last two minutes against Ticket, then. We were down eight. Two minutes going into the, it was like the end of the third. And I'm like, he put me in the middle of third. Oh, I'm getting buckets. I scored eight straight. We tied the game, right? And he subbed me out. Man, I'm celebrating.

I won. Yeah. 8-0. First win. Let's go. I don't care what happened after that! Get up! Get up! Real shit!

Game over! My man, it's over! I mean, we lost, I'm in the locker room, boy, good game, boys! Yeah! They looking at me like, what's wrong with you, man? I won. I played. What y'all did? I won. Called my dad. Hey, man, you see the victory today? You see that?

A straight. I beat the Wolves. A-Z, bro. I beat the Wolves. A-Z. Yep. But that's the type of energy you have to be on because everyone's looking. You don't know what a coach is looking for when he subs someone in.

He might just be looking for a dude to change the pace, a dude to go in there and foul, a dude to just change energy. He's looking for a dude to change the pace to do to go in there and foul to do to just change energy He's looking for something every couple every times in the game where? The game plan ain't working right and he might just lie you you you get in. Yes You know and that's what happens I mean we was down by 20 once and he put four rookies in four rookies and Donald Ford go and We down 20 came back and tied the game up right all of vets many had they had to I pack soul stretching and

We said man. We got y'all back and coach was like Nah nah You're back. And then what happened is the whole Golden State fan just clapped the whole time because he kept us in and Jason Terry came in, hit the game winning it, but they gave us a sand ovation for it. Man, it's the consistency. Moments like that. Yeah.

That was my NBA moments. It was little things like that. If you don't understand the consistency and that that that mentality like you said even showing how excited you are Mm-hmm, and you do that in practice to like when you hey man, I got next let me Scout to you. I'm all over but even when we doing shoot arounds They used to be mad at me at shooting Every single shot and it's like the consistency of that is knowing that I really want this. Like I want to play, one.

If you don't play tonight and you hurt, oh, yeah, it's up. It's up. It's up. I'm trying to show coach as much as I can. That you're ready. That I'm ready. And if we're not practicing like that, you're not really getting those opportunities. It's the body language.

Yeah, the body language. Body language is everything. And I'm so glad that you said that because even if you got to fake it, you got to show them. Like, oh, shit. Yeah, I ain't fake shit. And they showed it to me on film, our next film session. And I was like, all right. Body language.

That's what I said. I was sitting there at the end listening. I think it was with me. It was listening to some of the vets, right, when they talking. Like dudes, like older dudes. I mean, we had a dude over there who got drunk every game. He knew he wasn't getting in so he's just drinking Just you know, and you know, you just hear him just bickering and moaning and and I'm like Man, it's gonna be like me He know everybody or they pay him the max he don't do this and why he in three minutes like own teammates like man

Like the fruit like I'm cool. I just stand up like yeah. Yeah. Yeah don't do this and why he getting three million like our own teammates like man like that like the fruit like i'm cool like i just stand up like hey man come on yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean and it was just it was just one of those things where just mentally i needed to try to figure out how to get the attention if i'm not like i'm not in layup lines i'm not any of that and i mean coach don't see how hard i'm going in layup lines but the layup lines was my game that was my game. That was my game. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm dribbling full court. You're going to see, y'all going to see something. I'm trying all the dunks. Like, you know, that was my game. Right? And after that, my game then became more of a cheerleader style. You know what I mean? And, you know, I was just going to do that to the best of my ability until it was time for me to get in one day. But it's hard.

Yeah. that to the best of my ability until it was time for me to get in one day but like Lexi but it's hard yeah like Lexi said when you have the body language of like a coach trying to put you in with a second left or two seconds left 20 seconds left and you're like man I can't believe that walk to the scores table you're not thinking about anybody watching you you're thinking am I not good enough to play in the game I'm only good enough to play in the last 20 seconds? Yeah. Fuck that. And sometimes some of the games, though, that are beyond winnable, we're losing. Why

are you still waiting this long to put me in? There's no comeback happening in the next six minutes. Why are you waiting for 42 seconds to put the bench in? I don't like that either. That's the bench in? I don't like that either. That's a disrespectful thing. I don't like that.

I know, but that's what I said. It's one of those things. All right, we've been down 30 the entire game. Why are we waiting for 42 seconds? And they want you to check in with the enthusiasm that I'm doing something for you. At least when you get put in when you're winning, you can fake a look. When you're down, the team is down 30, and you get put in, and you have to go be excited that is still probably you know it's a funny and i think that's i think that's the the mind games that they are playing yeah absolutely right and then sometimes you you got to understand that you know some of this stuff is mind games they want to see how she's

gonna react yeah you know so i'm i gotta think that he's trying to play me. Mm-hmm. Right? Good job, coach. God, I got you, coach. What play you wanna run? Like, it's three seconds left. What play you wanna run? You know, I can be stupid, too.

Yeah. Yeah. But think about how many players don't know that, though. They don't know that the coach is testing them for the mind game, and they fail that test. They end up in the doghouse. Yeah. Because I tried to put you in.

What you mean? You walked your ass up to that scoring table. I didn't put your ass in. You wasn end up in the doghouse. Because I tried to put you in. What you mean? You walked your ass up to that score table. I didn't put your ass in. If you wasn't happy with the one second, why would I put you in for 10 seconds? Come on, man. I would put you in for 20 in this. But it's something you have to be told. Because obviously, you know, like,

I got the learning because I'm watching. Yeah. You know, I'm sitting there just watching. It's your boy. Are you about to go in? No, no. He's going to bust your ass too. You know what I mean?

Right then you hear a player who get in for three seconds. Why he pick me? Why won't you just put him in? We see that. Why you just put him... What the fuck you put me in for? I don't want to play.

Just DNP me like usual. Oh, you don't want to play? Yep. Oh, you don't want to play? All right. I was trying to put you into the rotation. Now play? Yep. Oh, you don't want to play. All right. That's it. I was trying to put you into the rotation. Now it's IR.

Oh. Oh, you don't want to DNP? Okay, IR. You don't even suit up. No suit up? That's different. That's hurting. Damn.

Getting nowhere. DNPs is one thing. Coach's decisions. You see a lot of those when you look at that box. God damn. Coach's decisions. That's the most fucked up thing to me. Coach's decision.

Coach not fucking with you. I are when you healthy is the most disrespectful thing ever. I ain't never been on that. But you can at least pretend. No. I remember they asked me. It was like, yeah, you know, how's your back? Back, what do you mean back?

It was like, how's your back injury? I ain't got no back injury. It says, I'm not hurt. I'm just not good enough to play What they do What did they do he ain't you good and you good you see that you be like man they over there fucking with him man Yeah, yes, very very familiar Over the past 20 years,

there's been a significant decline in the amount of minutes star players play during the regular season. So Gil, do star players playing less minutes in the regular season help or hurt them in the postseason? I mean, it hurts in theory. It hurts.

I mean, if your body's used to playing, like everything is, your body, your mental is all being calculated in real time. So if you are used to, you know,

like you said, I know when I'm going in. A player knows when he's subbing out. So you're mentally trained. Your body is mentally being trained all season. So if you're used to playing

32, 33 minutes and your body is mentally being trained all season. So if you're used to playing 32, 33 minutes, and your body then shuts down, right? It's being, you know, trained. So then he's like, oh, I need you to, you know, play the whole game. One, you never went hard enough. Exactly. You've never went hard enough.

You've been pacing yourself for 33 minutes. Whoever plays 40-something minutes, they know how to pace themselves for that. So if you're playing 33 minutes and he says, I need you to play 48. Different. You're going to gash yourself out because you've not especially even, now you've got to play 55

minutes because we went to overtime. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, you know, if your body's not trained to hit those streams when it's time to come, and now you're watching someone in the fourth quarter, it's like, man, how come he gasses out in the fourth quarter? Because he's never played more than 32 minutes, 34 minutes. Now we're at the 42-minute mark.

He's done. Well, that's what we look at. I look at Joel Embiid because during the season. That's what I was talking I look at Joel Embiid because during the season that's what I was talking yeah yeah but during the season there's a lot of guys who not you know LeBron played more minutes I want to say Embiid Giannis and potentially Joker too and you're I don't question Giannis is like he I don't I don't question it I'm just saying though to your point if you've got these guys and they're not mentally trained, that around the 33, 34-minute mark, I'm done.

Now you get to play all basketball. I'm like, we need your ass out there 45, 46 minutes. And playing a higher level of ball, too. Hold on, that shit crazy, though. They averaged that in 32 minutes? Yes. Yeah. And that's a lot more minutes if you think about it.

If I'm playing 42 a game, like James and Westbrook, weren't they playing like 39 39 40 minutes when there was the stretches yeah back in the day what 43 42 minutes that's a lot the earlier period games are like 40 minute clips and think about the time you're resting you might rest for like a minute two minutes and be like now I'm back in I'm ready to go but you in top-notch shape mm-hmm like when you in time not say you don't need to rest coach Look, you give me a breather cuz I I asked you to take me out But don't take me out just cuz you think I'm tired mother to take me out when I need it 30

They're doing that and that's short of time frame. Jesus. Yeah Like joke, I think 33 minutes a game from the 25 That's a lot. Yeah on the same thing putting putting up 25, 11 minutes. That's a lot. Jan, the same thing, putting up 30 pieces in 32 minutes. That's a lot of production in a short period of time. So do you feel like it balances it out? Kind of. I can't even calculate that right now. Yeah, like, what do you need to play all those in a tour if you're doing all of that

in the shorter amount of time isn't that like the efficiency part that people want to see more of in the game you leave them out there for what if they're not really going but it's not the guys that are being efficient and productive like that that are complaining about low those are the guys that are actually playing that are playing them you know i'm saying those are the guys that are actually playing that are playing them I'm saying those are the guys that you see out there doing it Giannis Joker not gonna say and be as much but during the regular season he does produce he does I mean I've already load managing like I don't see that's what I said I don't know if it's the players load managing or the team see

that's what's not being really said it's not that it's not where they're going to the coaches and acts and the coaches about it, and the coaches are going to back out. I feel like everything is like a runaround answer when it comes to it. What I'm saying is, think about if you're a player, and you go and say, yeah, I'm going to take the day off. Give it to them. What I'm saying is, I'm not going to be a coach, and I respect you.

Let's just say if you did an eight-game stretch and you were doing your thing, you're like, Coach, I need one. You got to give me one. Give me a day off. But what I'm saying is a good coach knows that already. Right. A good coach would be like, hey, man, you've been going hard.

I'm going to go ahead and sit you today. That's what I'm saying. I don't see the players for the most part. I don't see players doing it. I see the coaches and the upper management like, yo, we're going... The trainers. We're going to rest you. The angle don't look right. We're going to save you.

Or ask you how you feel. How you feel today. You know what I'm saying? How you feel? You feeling good? Because I wasn't planning on playing. I'm only planning to play you 20-something minutes. Yeah. Knowing damn well, 20. You're going to end up my stats up like that. Exactly what it comes down to. I'll mess up my stats.

I'll sit. Y'all mess my stats up. I'll play zero minutes. You played 42 minutes per game, 0-5, 0-6, played 80 games that season. That's crazy. Wow.

But now, looking at the long-term ramifications of that, would you still do that knowing what you know now? No, that was no long. I got... Someone ran into me. That's how I got injured. looking at the long-term ramifications of that, would you still do that knowing what you know now? No, that wasn't long. Someone ran into me. That's how I got injured.

So I don't know what would have happened. I'm not like you was on the bench, though. Listen. We have the greatest man of all time. He played 13 seasons. Nine of the seasons, he played all 92 games. The 10th season, 81.

11th and 12th, 80. In one of those years, he was injured. You shouldn't be able to say shit. You know what I mean? Without the technology we have today, without the medical staff we have today without all that shit right He was 38 and he played 82 games as a wizard

as a wizard he played 82 game and They said most of that though those games his knees had to be drained. Yeah. Jumping his knee and shit. He's playing 82 games and draining his knee every game. And there was no question of sitting and seeing load management and thinking about missing a game. And it was the Wizards. So, you know, it's one of those things where when you think about a 40-year-old man playing 82 games, getting his knee drained after every game, and he didn't think about sitting 40 year old man playing 82 games getting his knee drained after every game and he didn't think about sitting because somebody paid there's really you can't tell me

you can't tell me you can't give me a good enough excuse right what was uh carl malone and john stockton they did 20 years i mean john stockton there was a good stat for that john stockton was up there too with both there both and I remember KG's to say look man these these two particular players told me hey, you know, he was sitting the I he had his ice bag Knees ankles feet in the tub all day. We should see him every game and he's like, oh, yeah John's dog didn't come along told me about this shit Oh and after game do this shit right after the games sit here and ice him knees ice them ankles ice Whatever it is is sit there nice because this what this what got them to keep playing

Over and over and over and over again without really having those aches aches and bruises and stuff so yeah Malone only played less he played Less than 80 games twice in his career 90 80 less than 80 years 99, he played 49 games in 2003-04 with the Lakers. He played 42. I think he had the knee injury or whatever it was. Other than that, he played 80. Rookie year, 81. 82, 82, 80.

82, 82, 81, 82, 82, 82, 82, 81. Stockton was more than him, too. I don't think Stockton. So when did this shift happen? Probably last... When Stockton started So when did this shift happen? Probably last... When Pop started sitting Duncan, Parker, and General. 2013?

Yeah, I remember that. I think I remember that happening. 2011? But he didn't... That's what I'm saying. He wasn't sitting in for load managing. He was sitting in for up. F you guys.

Right? And that's what he was doing that for. Like, you know, it was that year. I remember the year. It was their play in Miami. Right? And that's what he was doing that for. Like, you know, it was that year. I remember the year. It was they were playing Miami. Right? So what happened?

What happened? It was Miami. No, it was they played OKC. They blew OKC out in the playoffs by 20 both games. And then all of a sudden, game three through six, they became old. Right? Oh, they're so old. They can't keep up with these young guys. And, you know's in five troubles nobody's in five everybody's in five number and then OKC plays in

a championship right so what ends up happening is you know TNT Miami versus Spurs this what the championship would have been like so Papa's like oh that's what y'all want to see now huh yeah and send everybody home but the fucked up part of the spurs almost beat the heat in that game with the the reserves right it was a close-ass game because i was thinking my head like now what happened if the spurs win this game like what can you say to what can you say right but let's just want to mention that year malone played 49 games that was the the strike season. So it was 49 out of 50. Wow.

And then the one you said you got hurt? Then the last season with the Lakers. But Stockton's even crazier. 82, 82, 82, 82, 78, 82, 82, 82, 82, 82, 64, 50 in that strike shortened season. 82, 82, 82. You play 82 as a 40-year-old playing close to 30 minutes a game.

Come on. Yeah, yeah. Good for them. It's like, what did they, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what science they used. There was no science. There wasn't any. Bacon potatoes.

But what science is this? That means they practiced and played. Back then, they practiced. Really practiced. They practiced and played. Jerry Sloan back then there was no You know their training camp was trick. They had unlimited training camp Wow So there was no back then there was no time right so a coach wanted to train you for six hours Y'all gonna practice they did that whoa they changed it when it was I think it was my third year

They was getting six hour practices off. Yeah, we had a union we had to do it in a collective bargaining right before I could when I came in like it was my third third year when they agreed to they can only do three hours three hours is max and only an hour and a half contact man because you know players are complaining that you know like Pat Riley was having them conditioned for two hours three hours and shit doing doing the the trash can drill you know running up and down sliding back with your hands up just hours just in their life what's hilarious about that is Antoine Walker came to the Timberwolves he said man there's a new rule you can train me as long as you want to you can't train me as hard as you want to do what I want want to do in this three hour block that you got me here.

That was a three hour blocker. Like John Lucas, they said John Lucas, it was crazy back then. Now let's move on to the last segment of the day, Mostly Fans. Mostly. Presented by Underdog Fantasy, Gil's Arena. So look, we do the questions in the chat. Some good questions come from the chat We also do video questions, and we would say 100 for the video questions Under for the video questions 50 for you really want to see y'all face really do

very excited Joe Joe excited you can't wait to Very excited to see what y'all look like because it feels like you're projecting your own shortcomings and inequity. You got your jokes ready, though? No, I don't need jokes. You're not making fun of the fans. I want to hear your jokes. I'm working right now. He said, I'm working right now.

Oh, man. Matthew, I can't get your work. I hate on you for free. You're not even getting paid to do this shit. You're literally eighth of your day. Imagine spending eighth of your day, by the time I wake up in the morning, I'm about to go hate on Josiah. You tell people this.

What you doing today? No, that's facts. What you going to do today? I'm going to go hate on Josiah all day. For the show he's getting paid to work on. Thank you. Y'all killing me. Y'all got it.

I don't care what I look like if I get $100 yeah, so we more story Hey, yeah, that's my question you my honey So first question from the third splash bro, that's the underdog username. Would you rather have Kyrie's bag or Steph shooting ability? Think about it. I got mine. I got mine. It's a Kyrie bag. I already got a shooting ability. Wait, do I get...

I already got an unmatched shooting ability. Do I get Steph dribbling too? Do I get Steph dribbling too, or do I just have his shooting... Kyrie's bad. Everything you got. Everything you got. I'm like, when you do punches like got. They leave out half of Steph's game completely.

Because if you have Kyrie's bag but can't shoot, then I... That's the point. I'm just going back to fuck up. Just the shooting ability. Everything you got, you get Steph's shooting. I'll take Steph. I don't want to be...

I'm going with Kyrie then. Oh, you get Steph's shoot. I'll take Steph. I don't want to be... Oh, everything I have already? Everything you got. I'm going with Kyrie then. Going with Kyrie, yeah. You already got... Oh, you're going with me? Yeah, everything you got, and you can add one of their things, one of their attributes. Steph.

Yeah, I'm picking Kyrie. Because I was fast, so I don't really need the dribbling. Just, you know, shot. But you could already shoot. Mr. Bionic, man. It becomes more and better I can run and shoot I can run shoot three more percentage points on my three

Is gonna go up because now they got a garbage they got a guard in it and they can't guard it Yeah, you got a card. I'm saying I was so fast I probably stop when I shoot now cuz I got stuff. Could you shoot from half? I just like ah yeah Should I get a turnaround to all my god So our first video clip of the day coming from underdog username fierce deception fierce deception fierce deception let's roll the video it's good gil's arena i got one question for y'all if there was one game that you can witness in nba history this could be any game that you could sit courtside for and watch

what game would that be and if there's one game that you would have loved to play in in NBA history, what game would that be? That's a good question. That's two questions. Give him 200. Give him 200. Two good questions, too. What game would you want to play? Probably a Laker-Boston game in the 80s, since that's when all the racial tension happened. And I'd rather it be in LA just to be those folks.

Damn. Ain't no LA, just go magic! I'm serious, that's really technically what the, that's what's really going on. It was like, you know, you got Dwight. Yeah. And then you got us free over here and it was, we fight for freedom. Fight for freedom. In a sense, in a sense, in a sense. Go ahead.

But yeah, I would've wanted to watch one of those games and I would have wanted to play when Will played to score that hundred Because I'm pretty sure that I would have had at least a hundred to What bro you There was no two-point line a hundred and two or a hundred to the wizard on three-point line. It was a 102 or 102? It was a three-point line. He also was going to have 100. That would have been just with all layups, all fast break layups and free throws. I could have did it because he probably didn't shoot good free throws.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put me in will. 102. I would have had one or two quick ones. Trading baskets. Picking a full court because then we can jump one hand What do you say that was 40 to give me? He was what a

28 for 32 from the line in the 28 for 32 minutes. Oh, he only missed for miss for yeah now. Okay. I want that game God damn damn Cuz he made all his free throws so And he was he was in here with it. Yeah Over here. He was just as fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I probably wouldn't scored a hundred in cuz he Was he got the height you blocking that shit now? I'm saying he got the height too. So that helped him score easier. So it's the other probably had like 80 But I got 85 though I'm gonna take the 85 it even goes 17 I take the 85 probably would have gotten to 100 Lexi how about yourself I see the

brain turning over there the Reeboks is Reeboking Reeboking the game I don't want to be at is the Malice in the Palace game I like that I was going to say that. I like that. I would like to be there just to see. I saw, I watched the documentary about it, but I would like to be there, probably would have been like, just insane. To play in, I don't know. There's a lot of, maybe that game that,

when Ray Allen hit that corner three in Miami. Okay. Just to like, I don't know, that's probably another game I like to like just watch. There's not, I don't know. That's probably another game I like to, like, just watch. I don't know if there's any games that I physically want to be a part of, but, like, as far as being in the building, like, just that moment, I remember watching it on TV. They want to know, at that Miles in the Palace game,

would you be throwing cups at people, like, dumping soda on Reggie Miller? Absolutely not. Okay. Just watching. Throwing hands with him? I would assume that I'm a time traveler in this moment Recording everything no

WNBA game though. What WNBA game? Yeah, I didn't want to say I don't I don't think you can play in that Miami game WNBA game Shit shit, I wish I played in the game where we won the damn championship. I didn't play a minute. I was on the bench. You could have. Check me in, Coach, goddamn, put me in that game. The game four in Chicago of our finals. I did not play a second. Hey, I would have checked myself in at that point.

So I would have loved to play in that game. That's fine. Okay. I understand. Rashad, how about yourself? I would have loved to play in that game. That's fine. Understand. Rashad, how about yourself? Last shot, Michael Jordan, Utah. I want to be courtside. Courtside of that.

I want to see that. That shit was fire. It would have been a little tough leaving the stadium. It don't matter. It don't matter. Airport close, though. The airport is close. That was just an iconic moment, you know what I'm saying?

I think to be quite so dear. And the game to play in, I want to, 81, Kobe. Play on his team. I don't want no parts of that 81. Play on his team? Play on his team. You know they ain't shoot the ball, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm a part of the history. Okay, yeah. I was going to say. Me and Luke, was Luke Walton on that team? Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah I'm a part of the history. Okay Me and Lou what was Lou Walton on that team? Yeah, he was there I mean, I mean last game would have been dope to be there for two. Yeah, I mean not the point Yeah, you're not one. Yeah, you're not look I pass what's so fun? No, no To be honest, I watched that game. I just did it on Playback I just watched that game. He wasn't ball-hardened. No, he wasn't.

No, he wasn't. Actually, they were just sorry as hell. No, no, no. They missed a lot of shots. The Raptors or the Lakers? Both. Both teams were sorry as hell. But the Lakers, they didn't have no shooters whatsoever. So, the Raptors was basically playing a zone.

So because the other ones couldn't shoot, you got Lamar Odom. Yeah, you got Lamar Odom. You had on the court, you had Mims. You had Kwame. You had Smush. You had Luke Walton. So think about the court. They're not going to shoot the three.

So it was basically just we're going to pass it around and eventually try to get to Kobe, and he has to try to put something up. So they just didn't have any shooters for anybody to take any shots, but everybody got the ball. They had what? Radmatovich was on that team, I think. He wasn't on that team? No. No, I don't think he—no.

They had Sash. Devin George. They had Devin George, who couldn't shoot. Yep. They had Sash. Sash. And who? Brian.

Brian. He was the only shooter. The bench. They only scored five points. That's crazy. All five were scored in the first quarter. I'll take Luke Wallace's spot. Go out there. Here you go, Kobe.

Here you go. Last question comes from BMAC32. Another video question. And I hope y'all answered this question. I had to put it in the chat several times and Josiah just keep ignoring it. It ain't me. I hope y'all get this, man. But who is the goat for the W? Who's the female goat? And does Asia Wilson has a chance at being that goat? BMAC, it was not me. That's why we got to you.

We wanted to make sure you got the 100, not the 50. We doubled it up. Lexi, who's the GOAT? I don't know. I feel like the thing is so many of us have different answers. And because the league is so young. And I hate calling her the GO goat because she's still playing some sometimes I teeter between Maya and it's hard for my because she kind of just left her career

unfinished kind of but she was so accomplished and then Diana obviously because her body of work she's all-time leading scorer so I put Diana up there then I hate ignoring like Cheryl and all them so I'm like I sure before the show yesterday she kind of just gave me a look that implied like me or Bob or and I'm but I was gonna go with Cheryl yeah I mean if we're we're talking like the like the totality of the W it's Cheryl I think okay so when they do when they when they hear, like, some when they say WNBA, right? And then some says just women's basketball.

Right. So when you say women's basketball, then it's like, they'd be like Cynthia Cooper because when she was doing what she was doing, there was no W. There was no WNBA. And then when she came in, she was, i think she was in her 30s and she was like mvp mvp like it just it just all happened so fast and it was like she left came back mvp so it was like how good was this yes you know how good was she so i it's it's hard it's hard because there's so many moments in women's basketball that is like just undocumented or like people just didn't care enough to share it.

Like even Cheryl Miller scoring out of high school. Like how did you score 100 points in high school? What's so funny is that shouldn't even be the record, though, because that record was damn near beat at halftime by Lisa Leslie. But the team wouldn't come out. So she would have beat the record, but the team didn't want to come out at halftime by Lisa Leslie, but the team wouldn't come out. So she would have beat the record, but the team didn't want to come out at halftime. Imagine getting 200 put on your head. She got 101?

Like, canceled the whole season. Yeah, so Cheryl Miller's was 105. Yeah. 105. Lisa Leslie has 101 at the half. That's mean. Are you pressing? That was an eight-minute quarter.

That was an eight-minute quarter. That was an eight-minute quarter. That was an eight-minute quarter. Eight-minute quarter. That's impossible. They couldn't get the ball past her. Who's the scorekeeper? I'm telling you. They couldn't get the ball.

Like, for them, I mean, obviously, I'm not discrediting their talent, but, like, how bad were the girls they were playing? They couldn't get the ball past her. Who was the referee? It's a foul. No, no. It's a foul. Lisa, that's a foul. Stop fouling.

What is it? They're taking the ball out and she's just sitting there. And there's no shot clock either. So why are you guys not just holding the ball at this point? Get the ball in. You don't have one press break? They couldn't get the ball past half court on her. Eight-minute quarters.

You got 100 at half. I need to see the footage. But we're seeing teams right now 169-2. Like, so, you know what I mean? I mean, the talent, yeah. And do you think Asia can get to that level? I think so. Oh.

I do. Okay. She's, again, we're so early in our careers. There's so much of her game that she hasn't even tapped into yet. Like, she doesn't even play outside of the paint pretty much at all. I think she's going to add that at some point, but she doesn't have to anytime soon. But, I mean, it's hard to deem someone a GOAT when they only play,

you know, they're only shooting layups, they're playing pick and roll. Like, you don't have that flashiness. So that's the hard part. I think that's why people don't give her the respect because she's just a hard-nosed, solid player. But she puts up crazy numbers. She's going to break that scoring record, I think. I'm mad that Becky didn't let her get past that 53 mark.

Real shit. She was right there. But yeah, I think she's on pace. If she's not the GOAT, she's going to be Hall of Famer, no question, one of the best to ever play, definitely. Agreed. For sure. Agreed.

There you have it. That's our show for today. We appreciate y'all rocking with us. Appreciate you to Underdog Fantasy, as always. Download the app, use promo code GILL. They will match your first deposit up to $500. Appreciate you to everybody who sent in a video, too. For mostly fans, y'all getting $100.

First one was a double question, right? They're getting $200. Make it happen, underdogs. They don't come looking for me. B-Mac, we will get your questions in. See you in the chat. You got to spam us, but we got you one today. Shout out to those nice guys, man. Appreciate the love last night.

I'm still kind of tipsy a little bit. I'm looking for some work out there. He's a nice guy. Wednesdays and highlight room. Milton and them holler at me, man. Highlight room. I'm there Wednesdays. Let's go. No, you got the all-day plug every day. I'm just trying to figure out how to get back on the scene. You feel me? Oh, brother. You feel me? You got the ball rolling at the line. You know what I'm saying?

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For sure. But we'll be back Wednesday with another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. See y'all tomorrow. We'll be right back. Let me find out y'all over there. I'm on the sidelines. you