Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Tells Their Best NBA All Star Weekend Stories | FT Marques Johnson

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

Gil's Arena Tells Their Best NBA All Star Weekend Stories as Gilbert Arenas and The Gil's Arena Crew preview the NBA All Star Break & remember their time playing in iconic NBA All Star Games. They also react to the Isaiah Stewart punch on Drew Eubanks before breaking down Jayson Tatum's meteoric rise to superstardom and the up & downs of the journey for similar rising superstars like Victor Wembanyama. Finally, Marques Johnson is welcomed into the Arena to analyze the current state of The Milwaukee Bucks and tell stories of his time in the 1980's NBA & his iconic performance in White Man Can't Jump. Please consider giving us a like and subscribe!!!! Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 CHAPTERS: Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:04:16 Worst Meal You've Ever Had 0:08:51 Favorite Struggle Meal 0:16:16 Draymond Takes A Dive 0:28:50 Should Plumlee Be Suspended? 0:33:48 Klay Gifts The Clips a Win 0:35:19 Ty Lue Calls Out The Refs 0:40:14 Isaiah Stewart PUNCHES Drew Eubanks 0:42:33 Marques Johnson Enters The Arena 1:01:24 Inside Scoop on The Bucks 1:02:27 Marques Pick For Next Face of The League 1:25:52 Best NBA All Star Stories 1:27:39 Problems With All Star Games 1:36:21 Unpacking The Old Handchecking Rule 1:40:56 Best/Worst Parts of All Star Weekend 1:45:18 Marques' Birthday Dunk 2:04:50 The Father-Son-Coach Relationship 2:09:06 PJ Tucker FINED 2:24:58 MostlyFans 2:35:09 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Bomb? Yeah. Bomb digging in. Yeah. okay just the third fumble lost this year by mcgaffrey and you're like yeah yeah yeah yeah now she's the first person in the history to have a fuck up hamburger helper we couldn't even get out of way it's hard to mess up Hamburger Helper. Delicious meal enjoyed by all. What's the worst meal a significant other cooked for you? It was broccoli, hot dogs, noodles. And I think the kids called it a Tuesday.

It was the Tuesday meal, right? Every Tuesday, it was like, like, sausages, broccoli with fettuccine sauce. It's online, you can look, you can Google it, trust me. You can Google this meal. No, no, no, no, you can Google this meal, just Google it. Just Google it. You know what. You can Google this, man. Just Google. Just Google. You know what? I'll Google it for you. Go kill you so we can Google this one.

That's not a terrible comment, bro. Shit. When you see it. That's fucking awful. It doesn't sound good at all. Kane, what's the worst meal a significant other cooked for you? I don't have one, to be honest. That's what I mean. I have tasted your wife's cooking.

Yeah. I will tell you firsthand, gave me the itis instantly. Yeah, no, I've never experienced it. It might have been like she might have put some salt in it one time. I said it to you, Steve. You can go ahead and shoot him. Well, we get that ready. Oh.

And Kane, your wife has catered a few gills arena meals? No, no, no. That's shit. Stop that. That ain't it. That ain't it? That look better. Y'all made that shit up. That look scrumptious. I just put it on a group chat. I just put it on.

Don't do that. Y'all got to see the real one. Oh, shit. Yeah, go ahead and load that up, goddammit. Shit. While we do that, next question for y'all. Hold on, hold on. We're not going to move on from this shit.

I'm trying to tell you. No. We are loading this. We are getting this. Hold on, it's in the group chat. It's roasted over. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah.

Yeah. Load that shit up there. This is every Tuesday. Yeah, I would've looked at that shit. So while we're loading it up, with so many food delivery options available, how important is it for your boo to be able to make a good home-cooked meal

in this day and age? Just, I mean, just as a... Or athlete or just period? Period, in general. I mean, shit, what else are you supposed to be doing? I mean, not to be, you know, sexist, but... Yeah, no, I ain't saying you got to... I mean...

No, I ain't saying you got to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen like the old school shit. Men and women, though. Ain't nobody saying that, but... So what he's saying is, well, for me, it's like, it's your attitude, your looks,

and your hygiene and all that. I would go down the list of important things of a woman. For me, it's up there with that. Hygiene. It's up there with cooking. Cooking is up there with your height for me. Yeah, for sure. It's important. It's important. Because it's Hygiene. It's up there with cooking. Cooking is up there with your height for me. Yeah, for sure. It's important.

It's important. Because it's not for doing. There we go. Damn. Yeah. That was the Tuesday meal. Yeah. If you mix it all together, though.

Yeah. Mix it all together. Put some garlic salt on top. Bah. Yeah. That's a bad meal. There's no effort in that. That don't say you love me.

That meal don't say you care about me. That's the Eckerd sausage. Yeah. If it was. That's regular ass ranch. Oh, that's not even... Oh, okay. Don't look like Alfredo.

Hey, no, the funny part now. Listen, listen. Because, you know, that's not even, oh, okay. Damn. I mean. Don't look like Alfredo. Could, but. Hey, no, the funny, the funny part now, listen, listen. Because, you know, I used to troll. I used to troll when we got in a fight. I used to troll with this. And I have a picture of my son, the youngest, and I'm looking at it like. What is this? I got a picture of him just looking all sad and shit.

Oh, because kids going to let you know. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, like, you know like when you when you're just talking about like duties Duties, you know as as as a partner. I mean if you're a woman and you can't cook I mean that's At the end of the day that that'll hurt you moving forward because if the person got to spend money all the time I'm spending money for both of us Right both. Yeah. Now if I remove you is just one If a person got to spend money all the time, I'm spending money for both of us, right? Both.

Now if I remove you, it's just one. You know? Instead of it being a $20 meal, if I remove you, it's a $10 meal. So, you know what I mean? If I can remove you out of the equation and my finances drop drastically, then you are not very important in a man's life as you would think somebody in the chair said that's child abuse

No, no, I mean but my fucking should have been tased for me it was like like So it's one thing right if you didn't have the upbringing to someone to teach you But you get to the point of someone that doesn't. I just don't cook and I ain't going to cook. It's that. And you think somebody want to be with you. Like seriously, I ain't going to do it. Like you can't.

So it's one thing if you want to learn. Pick up a cookbook. I ask, can you read? Yeah. Well, you can fall in greetings. I ain't going to cook. I ain't going to fall in greed. Yeah. I ain't going to cook. I ain't going to be faithful either. Yeah, so.

Yeah. I ain't going to do it. How about that? Yeah, don't pretty much go hand in hand. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to go somewhere with somebody cooking. Yeah, like. So, back to Rick Ross.

I mean, it looked like he was enjoying that guy. Yeah, let's get back to that meal. Now, he looked like he was enjoying it. At first, y' get back to that meal. Now, he looked like he was enjoying it. At first, y'all didn't see his face? Oh, you put the cheddar cheese on? You put the cheddar cheese on? I think I ate hamburger helper. It's a delicious meal, enjoyed by all.

I eat like ramen still. I eat certain things I did as a child still to this day. For sure. Hamburger helper not on that list? That ain't on there. I've never ate that beef either. It's not on there. You've never had hamburger helper?

I've had it as a child. Maybe once as an adult on some high shit. But that's the important combo. It works well. It's a good. Does the meat come with it? He was watching the game when this happened. So he that's the important combo. It works well. It's a good— Does the meat come with it? So he was watching the game when this happened?

You got a meat separate. So he was watching the Super Bowl? That was his Super Bowl meal? That was his Super Bowl meal. Oh, no. No, no. I mean, no. Look, if you look at his face, I ain't going to—he was happy he got that.

So most likely he was just hungry. And whatever came his way, he was like, yeah. Like he started doing a little dance and everything. Go ahead and give me that. Bit the fork and everything. Yeah. You can eat it. Damn, relax. Y'all may not be rolling with it, but Hamburger Helper is universally embraced as one of the best struggle meals on the planet.

No matter your budget, you can get it going. But what was your favorite struggle meal when you were broke? So it's just noodles then. So you buy the box. You make the hamburger. You pour the noodles in the sauce and all that. And then you get your own meat. It's kind of hard to get your own meat. You get your own ground beef or ground turkey, whatever you prefer. Oh so it's no different than like spaghetti or anything? Yes, but it's in a box. It comes in a box. It helps hamburgers. Yeah, it comes in a box. You've probably seen the commercial before, they got the little white hand. Yeah, the white hand, but the little white Meat came with it. No, no, no meat in the box

Somebody else that cook it for my problem without that shit, too Whatever your preference The chatter grease hamburger helper is fire. Okay. I say it was bad But you could but you could take it to another level ask add your own bacon Ask them I get it have some accessories. I want people to look at a balloon. Yo I can't have my own block well and My woman and I'm making me hamburger help. That's

Unless this unless you requested it Unless you request it listen for the soup bowl. You know what I'll meet some hamburger help I just look at it like as a as just if I'm on the other side as a female right he got his own plane This and that you should know that you gonna have to like to really keep and not be Keep me in the house. Yeah yeah and not not his eyes get to wander and he want to be the big boss right you you better learn how to take some cooking classes when he in the studio you need to like really do some other things to keep his attention span because just like the 30 40 girls before you they didn't have the same thing you don't have

certain things you look good you do this you't have the same thing you don't have. Certain things. You look good. You do this. You do that. Whatever you want to do. The 30 before you did the same thing. What y'all doing is y'all accepting the free gifts and the bags and this and you're not bringing nothing to the table but the same thing that all

other women are bringing. 29 of us. I said, dude, now men bringing that same thing. Yeah. So, you better get in there and start cooking this shit. What? Hey, he want to give you that Birkin bag. Hold on.

Let me take the money and give him the cooking. Cooking. I'm going to take this culinary class. Yeah, let me go. So, when you got your boys over and everybody want to do the things, I can cook these meals. Now they look like, damn, your wife cooking this? Boy, you got a good one.

He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Gil, the chat is buzzing right now. They're saying that you grew up rich. Because I didn't eat hamburger. What if I was too poor for that? Let them know. Yeah. That was a good one Yeah, see y'all don't know nothing. I told you I ate bologna Yeah, we said right with the red thing. They had the little red thing around it right? Yeah, I ate that Hey, I went to my I had to spend a night at my friend's house one time

Yeah, that's shit can you make struggle meal? Old school making cinnamon toast Get the old GE oven. No, the old man, this is project shit Gil. Like grew up in a project, listen, here's where I come from, project kid, baby. Him, right here, this guy right here, project baby. So what was the French toast? No, no, cinnamon toast. Whether you had the ends, normally we use the ends of the bread the bread for it because you got to use other pieces for sandwiches. Uh-huh. Right? And the bread might get a little butter,

but you better not use too much of it. A little butter, cinnamon, and sugar, and put it up under the broiler on the old school GE oven. Yeah. The white joint. So you don't know nothing about that. Absolutely. You ain't had no oven.

Project. Yeah, I ain't had no oven. Project. Yeah, yeah. I ain't had no oven to cook no cinnamon. Brother's starving. Yes, I am. Absolutely. So you just said bread?

Butter, cinnamon, and sugar. Bread? Butter, cinnamon, and sugar. Hey, put it in the oven. That ain't no meal. That's good. Struggle meal. What?

Like a syrup sandwich? Basically. Like you can just serve syrup and bread. Basically. Bread. That's good. That the oven. That ain't no meal. That's a struggle meal. What? Like a syrup sandwich? Like, we were like, you need syrup and bread?

Basically. Hey, and same concept. Damn. Bruh. Oh, I was like, crack the egg. Mom got paid every week. Throw the little bread in there, a little cinnamon on it, a little sugar.

That's French toast. Oh, yeah. That's French toast. Oh, so y'all just had it without the egg? No, couldn't waste eggs. If there was eggs in the house to do, mom got paid every two weeks. Uh-huh. Right?

Got to pay rent, take care of two kids. Oh, you ain't had no white friends. Projects. You can walk out of the projects and cross the street? This is not L.A., Gilbo. Oh, okay. L.A. is the only place where motherfuckers grow up in a house in gangbangers, dog.

It's the only place that people grow up with both parents in a household, both parents got good jobs, and now you a fucking crip. Yeah, no, no, facts, facts, facts. That shit is wild to me. Like, I used to drive down these neighborhoods,

and people were like, yo, this is such and such neighborhood. I'd be like, where? They got houses. These are... Blue Face Valencia. But I'm just like, yo, this shit is wild to me, right? Yo. Just so you know, Blue Face is from Valencia.

So, just so you have it. But where I'm from, no, I grew up in, like, if we ever go to Dallas together, I would take you to where I grew up, to my apartment where I grew up, and where I made it out of. Right? We got houses.

I'm going to be able to. Damn. Dead ass, bro. More specious. All right, well. What was your struggle meal? Yeah, see? Ah!

Nasty Crunch Bars from Costco. Yeah, see? All right, well, what was your sugar meal? Yeah, see? Ah! Nessie Crunch Bars from Costco. Yeah, see, listen, bro. So my mom cooked when she got home from work. We got to eat every two weeks. It was one of two things if it was fast food. It was either Long John Silver, fish for Long John Silver, or Chinese food. Like, I never ate out.

Like, and then when shit hit the fan, like, shit got real bad. Like, dude, I can run this shit down to you, Gil, and you'll sit there with your mouth. Like, people don't understand what I went through as a kid, nigga. To be here today? It'll bring tears to your eyes, dog. Like, dead ass. So, yeah, when I say rough times, nigga. That's why the best day of my life, people ask me, me being able to go to college, yeah, but draft day. Because everything changed. Overnight. Right? In that instant, it all changed, right? But, nah, man, eating shit that, like, really?

Like, y'all eat that? Like, bro, for, like... It was hard out here back in the day. No, for you gentlemen, I'm good. My dad played in the league, had a lot of kids, though. Oh, yeah, but, yeah. See, yeah, see, I was like, shh, boy. Didn't trickle down.

Nigga, I didn't, yeah. Let's move on. I didn't Yeah Let's move on grew up in sunshine. I thought sugar mills when they could be like, yeah, you can only get the cheeseburger Hey, I wanted the Big Mac Hey, do you listen so real shit so you remember the Eddie Murphyit? That ain't no McDonald's hamburger. Yeah. Nigga, we wasn't getting no McDonald's. My mom was making burgers in the house. Oh, them big beef. Pizza's in the house, bro.

We wasn't, no. The journals? Who? My mom was making, she was going to buy the pizzas, the French bread pizzas, buying the meat, cheese and all that. We was making the bitches at the house, bro. We wasn't eating out. Wasn't nobody ordering no pizza to be delivered. I didn't eat burgers, none of that stuff, huh? Listen, bro.

I know you're proud of me, brother. Until I got to college. Until I got to college. My struggle meal was when I got to the NBA. Yeah, see? I spent all my money. I spent all my money. Shit, it was grist and fish the whole time.

Yeah, see? You can eat bananas and fish the whole time. Yeah, see, yeah. Eat bananas and shit on the plane. I was like, damn. I need to go back to college. I spent all my money on the Escalade, right? Had no more money. Shit. That was the poorest I ever felt.

We got an audience question on the topic. Gil, so when you spent all your money as a rookie, did you ever, like, take food home from the Warriors facility or anything like that? Oh, no. Don't judge me, because, listen, this is the first time that I really didn't have, like, I'm on my own. So back then, we just had the bars and, like, the Gatorade. So I used to fill that up. That was, like, the meals at home, little Gatorade bars. So I couldn't wait to go on the road.

So back then, we didn't have, like, you know, like, food at the arena and shit like that. And if we did, it was the media. You go to the media lounge. I didn't know about that, like, the first half of the season. I didn't know about the media lounge. I didn't know about that first half of the season. I didn't know about the media lounge. So what I used to do is, on the plane, I'll fill my bag up from the plane food because I couldn't afford to order room service.

And then, yeah, yeah. So what ended up happening is like, don't judge me on this part. You know when motherfuckers roll their shit out, their food, the shit they ain't eat. Yeah, yeah, let me go ahead and put that. Oh, half a burger, yeah, cut the little slice off with they mouth on it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't give a fuck what the... I was innocent. I ain't going to lie. Some of them steaks, some of them boys didn't even finish their meals like that. Little one bite of the steak. Oh, shit.

I was waiting for them to roll that little plate out there. Boy, I was in there digging. Yes, sir. And then I found out that because it was Larry Hughes. Larry Hughes put me up on it on accident. They came to gamble in my room. And when they came to gamble in the room, Larry Hughes ordered room service from the room and said hey, this is a very huge. I mean right now. I'm in room You know 205 so deliver the 205 but charge boom boom boom and then came in boom sign for it And both of you left hey, this is Larry Hughes again. Can you give me the same thing I had before, like a cheeseburger, french fries, throwing a Coke, and three scoops of vanilla ice cream, please?

Boop. And sure enough, they broke it. I signed for it. Boy, I was running that bill up. Gil always hustles smarter. Woo. Boy, I was. So what was it?

So you were getting per diem? I lost that on the plane, bro. Oh, my God. I tried to double up. Yo, you had some horrible vets. I was trying to double up. You had some horrible vets. Because back then, what was it?

Like $27 back then. What, the per diem? Back then. What was it? No. It was a meal. A meal? Yeah, it was like 80.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was dumpster diving like a meal. A meal? Yeah, this was like 80, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was dumpster diving like a mug, I told you. Yeah, that chat said, get you out here dumpster diving. Respectful. It ain't dumpster diving, it was hallway diving. Hallway diving.

Hallway diving. From a team. Yeah, you had some horrible events, bro. Look, breakfast, we got, look, breakfast, we got like, they had like four pancakes, you still got one and a half. Yeah, some little eggs and stuff I was orange juice boy. I was looking after dudes in my second year. So Yeah, I wouldn't let you do that. See but nobody said if I was on your team, but still though like I'm

Observing bro. Like I saw you put shit your bag shit on the plane. Somebody saw you doing that shit dog the make is new They just fuck with you. I had cuz the motherfuckers knew remember I was the asshole. Somebody saw you doing that shit, dog. Them niggas knew. They just didn't fuck with you like that. This is the fucking teammates I had, because I was with them. This motherfuckers knew. Remember I was an asshole. Yeah, you was fucking with people. I was fucking with people, so. Let's say like I did, I remember going to Toronto.

I won 400. And I was like, ah, gee, we got some girls, we got some bad girls. Hey, go get the pizza, because I'm a rook. So they're like, go get the pizzas, and then we'll pay you back. I'm like, all right, how many pizzas you want? All right, like 20, 30 of them.

All right, bet, bet, bet, bet. Hell yeah. Y'all going to have one for me? Like, yeah. All right, bet. Dropped them pizzas off. Brother, there was no party. There was no party.

There was no nothing. I just spent all the money I won on pizza. No reimbursement, nothing. Just because I was bragging about all the money I won on pizza. No reimbursement, nothing. Just because I was bragging about all the money I won. That's why you get them back with the roof service, Hustle Gil. All right, but let's keep this thing moving. Talk a little basketball on this beautiful day, the eve of All-Star weekend.

So Clippers pulled up to the Bay to play the Warriors without Kawhi Leonard, who's dealing with an adductor strain, not to be confused with conductor, as some of you on the internet seem to not be aware of. Clippers didn't have Kawhi. They also didn't have PJ Tucker and Bones Highland, who were sent home to reset their mindset like we talked about yesterday. It was one of the more wilder games in recent memory,

and it started in pregame when Steph did this. Just at a 94-feet heave. I mean, come on, dog. Come on, Steph. That man is unreal. Bruh. With the wave. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

So, Steph dropped 41 in the game, but the Warriors tricked off their sixth game this season when having a 15-point lead tied with the Spurs for most in the league. Like I said, there were a bunch of wild moments in the game, like this one involving Draymond and Zubach. So, third quarter. Dray takes the elbow to the grill. Man was laid out on the court. Nobody helping him. Play resumed, continued.

Dray still, yeah. 5-on-4. Dray still laid out. He's a bad sign. Dre still, yeah. 5-on-4. Dre still laid out. He still laid out coming back. He would be alright. Now they gotta stop it, right? No. No?

They can't stop. Still kept going. Still kept going. You can't stop it until it's a dead ball. Dre still laid out on the ground. Replay showed that Dre might actually jump into Zubac's elbow. Is that real kidding me? That's magic.

Oh, no, there it is. You see it. You see it. He take it on. Dude, I don't give a fuck. No, no, fuck all that. Nope. Nope. Not from him.

That's my guy. He's on a PR tour. That's my guy. Not from him. Nope. You can't be out here punching people, slapping people, choking people, nigga, and you can't take that. So if a motherfucker punch you, it's over. Somebody punch you, it's a wrap.

That's what you telling me. That, no's a wrap. That's what you telling me. That no. Hell no. Hell no. Fuck no, Gilbert. No, I'm saying you don't think he was trying to get in the mouth. He was trying to sell his shit.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but no, that shit didn't hurt. But at what point in selling it... You can't lay out that way and you already choking motherfuckers. At what point in selling that is it like, alright, well damn. Dude, they did three trips and you still laid out. He's trying to get the game stopped. They ain't called nothing. They ain't go, you ran into him. Dude, it was inadvertent. Dude, you, you can't be out here, dude, acting wild, dude.

You just... So, let's, we got more things to discuss in this game. Nah, nah, dude, you can't be I uh So if you were to swung the elbow at you and hit you yeah, I would have went for a little more of it Mm-hmm, but if I if he's swinging the elbow at you and hit you I don't expect Draymond green to fall out. I Expect you to retaliate I'm gonna fuck what you just went through 16. I don't give a fuck. Yo just went through. 16 games, I don't give a fuck. He on parole. Now, that don't matter. It's standing on principle, dog. He's supposed to be standing

on, he's supposed to be the guy, right? Standing on principle, right? All the shit I went through in the league, I didn't give suspensions, all that. The next person would have got it. No. If you stand on something, you stand on it, right? If you ain't taking no bullshit at no point

You can't fall out When it did when it wasn't that bad you trying to sell it I'm trying to sell the car but but most of when you think about most of his Most of those files he be doing and some of those texts he be getting he be trying to sell it I'm with you. They just go against him. I'm with you. I get on the chest Yeah, grab a foot That's what I said most of the things that happen that's why I said it's like Nothing is ever warranted for him to be doing the things he do it just be some touchy touchy in the back

Like it just be one of those that's's why. He didn't hit you that hard, Dre, man. I get it. I get you trying to, but dude, after you didn't hear the whistle and you didn't hear people running by you three times. That's when you fall on the ground

and come back and get the ball. He's supposed to be up. When Steph looked at you, Steph got the ball like, this motherfucker's still on the ground. Like, no. No, you can't.

No, I'm not no no you came from no Nah Later in the game fourth quarter Mason Plumlee got a fragrant frow for going at Brandon Pajimski I need your judges opinion on this First he's been tricked to lay up, then look like multiple swipes. Kaminga came to just piece the fence. Draymond got involved in this one. A lot of confusion going on on court. Draymond

and Draymond getting stuck out. Got into it with P.J. Harden. Ty Lue was ejected. Ty Lue got ejected. What does everybody get ejected for? Draymond did this, whatever this is. Oh man. But just looking at that Plumlee play, given its history, does Plumlee deserve to be suspended for that flagrant foul?

I don't know, Muffin, we didn't get to see it. We didn't see it. We need another angle. Another angle, like to see what that... Because I didn't see the guy... Because we've seen the swipe. Yeah. We've seen the hit, but what was that second hit? Was that like a real punch? What was it?

It was... We have it or no? If Draymond would have did it... Well, I was in bed at 8 o'clock, so I didn't see it. Okay. But if Draymond would have did it, it feels like it would have been a different situation. Didn't he get kicked out?

It's history, though. Plumlee got a flagrant. He didn't get kicked out. It's history. It's history. Plumlee got a little bit of history. Not at Draymond's level. Come on now.

I mean, the frustration. There's different rules of incarceration. It is. There's different sentences for different things you do, right? Let's move on later in the game. In the final minute with the Warriors trying to make a comeback, Clay helped the Clippers steal the win with this questionable play. So, Podziemski hit the three, cut the lead to three.

39.6 seconds remaining. And for some unexplainable reason, Clay fouls Westbrook. Steve Kerr. Don't know how to react. Clay in his feelings a little bit. But just... Even the yuckster. Clay tried to... Got left hanging like old man Tessie.

How bad of a decision was Clay's foul on Westbrook? I mean, obvious, fucking obvious. I mean, that's a really bad decision. But I mean, you know, it seemed like he was the only person that didn't know the time, right? So he probably thought that it was under the 35 seconds that he needed to foul not realizing it was still above I'm a 24. Oh my god 24 seconds right, um, I'm thinking college right 24 seconds, so She's 39 on the clock as I don't know what he had going on in his mind

You know at that moment in time, not realizing that you still had another possession going on. Do you think the recent report that the Warriors were trying to make a trade for LeBron maybe had anything to do with the situation? No, just relapses, man. You know, sometimes, and just be honest, sometimes when you're in the middle of the game, man, your mind be wandering sometimes. You start thinking about other shit that ain you're in the middle of the game, man, you mind be wondering sometimes. You start thinking about other shit that ain't got shit to do with the game.

Now you ain't got shit to do with the game, and, you know, something happened in real time, and you just react, oh, we hit a three, got a foul. Like even with J.R. Smith, right? I'm pretty sure all he thought was, I'm about to get this rebound, I'm about to get this rebound, just get the rebound, get the rebound. And he got that motherfucker Oh shit dribble out the concept of calling time out and I didn't even He was just so happy to get the rebound that he probably had

memorized in his head that the rest of The basketball game just eluded him it happens for sure and we have that the clip Another angle of the Plumlee flagger for you gentlemen. Okay, let's see. To see what's going on. We gotta stop the white on white violence. Dude. Let's look at it again please.

Rewind it. One more time. Like he ain't get hit in the face. Not at all. All that fucking falling out and shit. Boom. Missed him. Hit him on his arm. Yeah. Missed him, hit him on his arm.

Yeah. Dude. Yeah, that's it. Come on, man. Now that we see it, right? They're making a lot out of nothing. Like, dude, he missed him the first swipe. Mm-hmm.

Didn't even touch him. Mm-hmm. The second one, hit him on the shoulder, then you fall out. Yeah. Like, hit you in your face. Not a playground for that that one not at all that's just regular are we gonna just gloss over that draymond hit everybody with the four rings what else was he doing into me well what did he do to pg it was when he was walking out

maybe calling him mush i don't know who knows dog yeah i'm still trying to figure out what was going on there i don't know but the foot like the only thing i don't like about knows the Trying to figure out what was going on there But the foot like the only thing I don't like about the four rings it always comes from everybody but the superstar Like the one who you know, I mean the guy who really is responsible for rings just throughout history, they're never the ones that Points to rings when they're having a discussion or having a you know, because it's all about you know What we doing in real time what we're doing to get the next yeah, I got I got 50 on you, right? You know you having a bad game. You know I'm having a bad game having a bad game, but my my end result is not gonna be there That was it I've never done let me be. That's what I've never heard.

I mean, me sitting there talking trash, I've never seen someone do this. I've never. I've never. I've never. It always comes from someone who got it, but they wasn't the number one option getting it. It's just a weird flex because it's not from the people who's... Feels like it comes a lot, too, when they're losing games. Yeah. It was winning when he did it. It's just a weird flex because it's not from the people who's... Feels like it comes a lot too when they're losing games.

Yeah. It was winning when he did it. There's no other time. What other time would you want to throw it up? Yeah, that's fair. I'm just saying if you're going to do it, you're going to come out the game, like, I got foe.

On the jump ball, like, I got foe. Score my first lip, I got foe. There's 30 seconds left in the game, Barone. You got two right now. But I got four rings! Like, it's... It just seems weird because it's always... It's like it's always coming out against someone that's really busting your ass in real time,

and the only thing you're standing on is the rings, because... And people point out Kobe did it, but he has five. When did he? Do it I think he was on the bench. Yeah, somebody says something to him Oh, no the fans you're fine. Okay, fine. Was he playing? No, he's in the suit I was in a seat for miss me. Okay, but let's talk about Tyloo Tyloo got ejected following that Plumlee situation I was a second tech. So after the game Tyloo emerged from the locker room to congratulate his team and send a message to the refs

Tyloo said where's James at the referee I want to kick him in the mouth he doesn't kiss him in the mouth He said kick him in the mouth or kiss You sure No, y'all just guessing because it could be either one so some people Cuz kick him in the mouth seems violent and y'all looking for him to get suspended and fine Yeah, kiss him in the mouth seems a little different. Thank you to thank him. Yeah, I want to thank you for cheating, you bastard. So, Gil, to your point, shout out to Hoop Jab who captured the video. Some people are hearing kick and some people are hearing kiss. Can we play that one more time, please, just to...

It's a blue dress. Who the ref said that? Cheat! That's all they be doing. Where's James at? The referee? I want a kiss him in the mouth. Man, I want to... Ooh, ooh, ooh. Could be kiss, could be kick. Either way, is kissing a ref in the mouth a finable offense? Because it depends on what you said.

You know what I mean? Kissing the mouth of a little cheating-ass bastard. You know what I mean? Have you ever wanted to kiss a ref in the mouth for cheating? No. Stop the cap. a rap in the mouth, it doesn't sound... But still, you know he not mean it. Yeah, he not mean it in the new term. He not going to go...

The 2024 term, he ain't meanin' that. Okay. All right. You gentlemen are experts. Yeah, and I know T. Lou. Yeah, yeah. We were asking in the chat. The chat seems to overwhelmingly think he said kiss him in the mouth.

Let me see. So that stops him from getting suspended right there. All right, no suspension. All right, well, let's talk about two players who don't want to kiss each other in the mouth. Isaiah Stewart may be spending some time on Chillington's Island after reportedly punching Drew Eubanks before the Pistons-Suns game Wednesday night.

Shams detailed the situation. Did you just say reportedly? Oh, no, he fucking punched him. He went to jail. He punched him. Y'all released? No, you got released. But you went.

He didn't go to jail jail. Yes, he did. Nigga, he had to post bond. He was in the back room. No, nigga, they put that nigga in cuffs. So according to Shams, Isaiah Stewart punched Eubanks in the back tunnels of the Suns Arena today. Unclear was sparked the altercation. The NBA is expected to receive the video review.

So both Stewart and Eubanks were going chest to chest before a swing to Eubanks' face connected on Wednesday. Both were separated, and there is police presence involved with the situation. Then later it was reported that Stewart was arrested by Phoenix police for assaulting Eubanks, later released receiving a citation, but the investigation is ongoing. Gentlemen, you know we've had some run-ins with B-Stewart.

Nah, we didn't have no run-ins, goddammit. I ran away. My feet worked well. Uh-huh. I'm not Eubanks, baby. I know how to move backwards See, that's what I've been see when I was running track right they teach us how to use our hamstrings to go back, right? To work back. All right, and I put mine to use Yeah, it's a big gentleman I'll be honest I was in the vicinity you I was not gonna help you

I'm saying he's done a lot for me and my family, but I Gotta protect these looks what's the left of what? Tacoma we were at home Z can shout out Isaiah Thomas vital to the Z can Give us talking to Brandon Roy Rashad was in the vicinity as well. Mm-hmm. They asked her I think very similar similar way situation To what I'm described Can you go to say you know what the fuck was going on at first like yo, it was not a what's up situation Zayas Stewart, I think very similar situation to what Sean described. Because he wrote about Gil. Gil didn't really know what the fuck was going on at first. Like, yo, what's up?

No, it was not a what's up situation. We had our underdog crew, but not very, you know, not gentlemen I would go to a fight with. No disrespect to the underdog fantasy crew. 35 people would not walk down a dark alley with you gentlemen. That's the difference between me and Gil. So when people talk about Gil, your IQ ain't, you know, high. Shit, he crazy as hell. Just let you know, huh? I dodged a beatdown. I seen it coming.

Ooh shit, he moving a little fast, talking a little slow. Tell that nigga in real time, nigga, you touch me nigga, I'm suing the fuck out of you. Touch me and I'll sue. Hey, tell him that real time. Touch me nigga, I'm suing the fuck out of you. Touch me and I'll sue. Hey, touch me, nigga, I'm suing you. Everybody in the chat. No, but the people that settle and shit, they need it, right? Oh, no, nigga, I'm going to drag you across the cold, bro. Like, if I'm in that moment, if I was you in that moment, I'm suing you, nigga.

For me, you ain't getting out of this before 150 If everybody in the chat who has an opinion, I challenge you to go fight beef stew. Don't do it video No, don't do it. No, cuz yeah, he has a whole different energy Built inside like this is why I know that it is valid. This is love day This is love day, but we thinking about love Hearts and roses he got off the bus Thinking ass I'm gonna spread the love all right

He got off the bus looking for a motherfucker that says something to him probably last year or last day Last time they played probably last month Got off the bus and shoot around Oh Where he I know he better not be in this motherfucker gym. Yeah, he's still very very good photographic memory remember things Because he came over to you, Gil, he was like, wait, I had to scroll back in your IG. Yeah, I know, you had to scroll back.

I was like, video, when the fuck did we talk about him? I'm like, Gil's Arena. And he was like, nah, we talked about him on your IG. IG? Episode of another show that we did. This was after the altercation with LeBron when he tried to run through. So what did you say to piss him off?

This is what I said. I said, yo we in the NBA we don't fight we got to pretend We want to fight for the fans, right? So wait till your teammates Wait till your teammates get around you and hold you back. Then you go tough That's what you're supposed to do say a lot of money that way. I think his, how he read it, because, you know, he probably went to public school. So how he read it, he read, you waited till your teammates got around you before you acted tough. Yeah. So he was like, I ain't got my teammates around me now.

So what's up? I don't, as much as I wanted to say, I don't think you read that right, big fella. I didn't want those problems. You can't I don't think you read that right big fella You can't tell a slow motherfucker they slow in real time Okay proceed Proceeding we may or may not be at the Z can again this summer Every security presence we might need to bring Mike Tyson. As our personal security.

No, but it, like, on real, this is one of those situations, like, when, all right, just, you know, assault in the NBA is any fight, right? So they treat it just like assault in the world. But ours is a little bit different because the other person has to press charges. And when you get hit in the NBA, nobody's really pressing charges like that. Right. I would.

Yeah. So... No. What color is Eubank's skin? White. But see, this is what happened. Because I already asked somebody. They said, what happened?

They told me this. They said, what happened? They told me this. They said, he didn't go to jail jail. He didn't get handcuffed and go to the prison. Because, you know, now the team security got to follow him, make sure nothing happened to him and do all that. So they just had his ass in a little holding room. He's just black ass down. No lessons learned.

Yeah, yeah. No, of course not. No lessons learned. But then what they said is, like, because it's's Phoenix Suns Phoenix Suns will have to press charges The NBA will call and say let it go and then they're gonna drop the charge I'm with it keep moving because you know any fight when When Kobe got two-piece by what's-her-name any fighting in first out? Yeah, that can be considered

assault you know, so Like when I heard I was like police got involved like police like outside police. That's crazy But I you know, oh, that's what I usually is usually in-house. Yeah, they should have put his ass in cuffs and drove his ass away So that's the fear in him. Yeah, that's right. I learned took his ass booked him Listen, hey, you're gonna let that learn something and I think that's I think that's the fear in him yet. Absolutely learned took his ass booked him. Listen, hey, you're gonna learn something and I think that's I think that's the The part that's with the NBA we because we don't get penalized in real time for regular shit

Yeah, we don't stop the behavior. Not at all I you know me like bringing the guns a room, like I didn't get arrested. There was no police involved. Yeah. There was no police. As many times as I've run BB guns and paint balls, there was no police. Y'all have no jurisdiction over here. Who's telling on us?

You know what I mean? So I think sometimes we become enemies of ourselves and we get over, you know. So a question for both of y'all. Tremendous amount of NBA experience. How much stuff goes down in the tunnel before and after games? I've never heard before. Like, before has to be some shit brewing. Off the bus, you're ready to?

That has to be some shit brewing, personal shit. Yeah, that was some overlapping shit. You ain't coming to shoot around on one. Yeah, that's all the time That's all the time you seeing each other on game days that shoot around shoot around for the game like this You get there early like what he got cross it. They stopped that shit because oak yeah It's not that because oak when you you're like, one team is working out and then the other team actually, like, come in, mingle, they talk, and then they... Yeah.

And then when Oakland puts somebody to sleep, they go, hey, hold on, y'all gonna have to wait a little bit. Yeah. But, like, I've never... Just the Oakland, that one is probably the only ones I've heard of. George McLeod and Ron Mercer.

Yeah, so talk about, you talk about the most infamous one, Kermit Washington and Rudy Tomjanovich. Oh, that was on the floor, though. I'm saying, but no, I think... Like, that was my thing. Well, we used to be in Denver. You know how the buses was in Denver. Like, after I couldn't do nothing to you in the game after I was warned. Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna tell you listen

Leave your basketball shoes on when I'm gonna see you by the bus You know because we had to walk by the bus to go to our cars yeah, yeah So yeah eyes So we got a question from the audience Never did but that was the threat. That was the threat. Oh, that was the basketball shoes. Oh, yeah, cuz just... So we got a question from the audience. Never did, but that was the threat. Oh, that was the threat? Oh, that was the threat. Keep your basketball shoes on.

Yeah, yeah, because you're going to need them. But no, I know you never got to that. They either had team security or the police walking them out. Audience question. Yeah, never got to that, though. How many fights did you guys see that the media didn't find out about? How many fights did we see that the media didn't find out about? Shit. We are the media now, so they about to find out.

No, I mean, I've seen a few. Shit. Denver, George McCloud, Danny Fortson. Right, so they scuffling on the court, right? You know, like two rhinos. Right?

And what ended up happening is McCloud got hit in the eye, right? So Danny somehow got him in the eye on the move, and they kicked McCloud out. They kicked him out, not Danny. And he went level 10, right? He went level 10. The game ended. So, like, Danny went in, and I'm coming last. I don't know where George

Came from he missed Danny and I was the next person he he saw or something any left shoulder big him Broke me down is a tilt it tell Danny bitch ass. I'm outside Alright Nancy You're dead The McLeod do McLeod do said he gonna be waiting out there Danny did this dog then he said oh Really? Oh, he's eating out there. He pulls down his socks

razor blade razor blade he had razor blade like you know like like it didn't just he didn't just put it in there he had it in there because when he took it it's white like it's this ash like it's like it's been in a whole game he had a problem with him for a long time. I'm about to go. And I'm sitting here like, this is crazy. He played the game with the razor blades. That's the wildest shit I ever heard. I was like, yo, something wrong with this dude. Something wrong with Danny.

Something wrong with him. Oh, we know something wrong with Danny. He was quiet as hell, but there was something wrong with him. Turn him on. Both you motherfuckers are crazy. We have Marcus Johnson, theme soundbites coming. He'll be pulling up the show in just a little bit. Turn him on.

Be quiet. That was the craziest thing I seen. That's the crazy shit I didn't heard. Razor blades in the socks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, fights happen all the time in practice. You know, people not fighting for jobs, man, fighting for minutes. People don't know what guys are going through at home. Girl cheated on them, dog died, whatever.

You know what I'm saying? They don't know where you get into practice and motherfucker busting your ass one day and you get to yapping and say the wrong thing. Hey, tempest flares. It happens all the time, man. Or you get to playing and somebody call you the wrong word and it's on sight. So, no, it happens all the time, man.

Look at Nene wrap his hands around Steve Blake Nick Steve Blake daddy was in there watching practice not a friend of the man's did the Steve like swing though what four five six times yeah yeah yeah gonna let me go. Steve Blake's funny, though. Yeah, he ain't no ho. Steve Blake ain't no ho. Listen, all right, yeah. You can search videos on YouTube that confirm what came, man. Steve Blake is crazy, man.

He got the man on the fight. He was getting into it. Steve Blake with it. Like, boy, you ain't gonna beat nobody, but then he always gonna stand on his own. Oh, he stand on business. He's a man. I mean, JaVale beat up Andre Blach a couple times on a plane

In flight and they fought all the time in flight head locks. Hey lock in the seats and shit Them do it too big. The funny part is they said next to each other Sitting there just arguing all the time. Yeah, yeah Sit back down god damn it like you should like yo, what's wrong with y'all? Hey, I like finish break it up. They sit right back next to each other talking shit Nick Kendall gear choked out Jim McElveen my rookie year. Yeah, the legend Jim McElveen Choked him to fuck out and practice Hell yeah got his big ass on the ground and choked him, I'll kill you in this bitch. I train to fight every day, I'll kill you in this motherfucker. I was like, oh, I'm a rookie,

right? You know, I ain't no ho, but I'm like, damn. Like, had that big seven-boy ass on the ground, and his feet was... Had to grab his... Yo! It's Wild Times here in Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog Fantasy. If you have not done so already, download that. Use promo code GIL. We'll match your first deposit up to $100.

Go ahead, Gil. The last one I seen was... It was 2000... 11, 12, or 12, 13. Well, I was trying out, it was Lakers. You know, like Clippers usually open their gym for summer. They're playing in there, and then they'll close it. And then two weeks later, season start, that's when Lakers opened it up.

So Steve Blake and Steve Nash, right I'm busting both they asked like oh, yeah get him talking shit Steve Nash kept doing some Steve Nathan like He killed all those the pick and roll kept doing a little elbow Steve's start warning them like yo yo yo Next you know, we're talking about Steve Nash back- to back MVP, damn. He said Steve was just like, uh-uh. Just, what up? They sitting on the floor. Hey man, I don't know who gonna win,

but look, y'all gotta guard me next. Yeah. You don't need it, god damn it. But that was the funniest thing, I said, no, you can't punch. You God damn it. But that was the funniest thing. I said, oh you can't you can't You can't just watch your people, but you can't put your the MVP like for college fights She was telling the story about Reuben Patterson when he was here by how strong man listen Jack Open gym man

Former play, you know hugs used to have the former players come back to practice against the dudes that live local. They working out, they come back to practice. So during the summer, you know, Huggs let them get away with murder. Like they ain't never calling fouls on dudes, like none of that shit, so they fucking us up during practice. So you know, during the summer, ain't no no coaches in there so it's fair game now. Man former player he ain't nothing mother fucker. That thot thot thot thot bitch this and rude man don't call me another bitch dog. The dun dun dun dun bitch. Listen I'm warning you

the last warning man hey he didn't get the word out good. The next one. I know that hurt. Man he hit him dog and it sound like a't know that hurt. Man, he hit him, dog. And it sounded like a gunshot in that bitch. Like, he hit him like this. His hand was like, bayao. Come to find out he broke the dude's jaw, right? Man, he was fighting and all that.

He tried to grab Rude and ripped his shirt off his back. No, he tried to grab him and Rude moved backwards. Ripped the whole shirt off his back No, he tried to grab and move backwards. Yeah, rip the whole shirt off his back I'm like day had that break had them break away break away jerseys at the time. I Was like man niggas fought so hard for so long. I wish it'd be like man. Somebody got to break it up This is the one of them fights we don't nobody want to get You I feel like you were doing that

to try and put me out there. I've been in a few fights. Okay. Thank you. I have the stars to prove it. Who got the work? Some wins, some losses. Took a beer mug to the face one time in college. Damn. Fought some Arizona football players, Gil. They did not drop me.

Three on one. Three on one, they didn't drop you? Yeah. I knew your team was trash. Man. No, college fights is wild, bro. Straight bar fight, I'm like, oh, shit, like. Oh, dude, you want, we can go for days.

Punish a football player to get into it. They live in the same dorm, send the same chicks, all them niggas get into it over a chick. One of my partners, nigga Aaron, punched a dude on the football team in They live in the same dorm, send the same chicks, all them niggas get into it over a chick. One of my partners, Aaron, punched a dude on the football team and dropped him, right? He was on a couple of them dudes, so they go get the other homeboys.

We standing outside and the dude that punched him was standing behind one of my teammates. The nigga hit my teammate because he couldn't get to him. Fire! Yo! You took that for him? These niggas out here rumbling in the street, this is like my senior year. So you know, I can't get,

I damn sure can't get arrested out here for you. Them niggas running around the street, falling and tripping, cars and shit, going by the police. I hear the sirens. I'm like, oh, that's my cue. Go back to the dorm. Y'all niggas live in the same dorm. Like y'all don't, not gonna see

each other every day. Like over a chick, y'all know what these chicks doing in college, man? Wild times, wild times. Uh-oh. We have the guest at the door. Okay. No, no, this ain't Raymond.

Chat talking about fighting over the work. That's all y'all do. That's all y'all do is fighting over the work. So we got a special guest making his debut in the arena. Five-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA selection. Michael Jordan had his poster on the wall of his college dorm, played the iconic role of Raymond in Way Make That Jump. Yeah!

Now Emmy Award-winning analyst for the Bucs. Hey, hey, hey, what's up, man? What up, son? Okay, Mark. Hello, son. Hello, son. He's also the co-creator of your favorite host. Yeah.

Marcus Johnson, welcome to Gil's Arena. All right. We all want to slide over a little bit? You can move the megaphone. We just have that in case things get a little... Can you talk loud enough? Yeah, just in case you're sitting and get out of hand, we got to... No, that's for...

Get up! Yeah, no, that's Lex's bullhorn. Like, Lex will be trying to talk some days, and she can't get no point of power. Y'all don't let her in. Nah. Now, it got heated here one day and she had a whistle. They gave her a whistle and we ignored the whistle. Threw the whistle.

Yeah, threw the whistle and all. Yeah, it got bad here. But, Dad, what's going on with you? How you doing? Man, I'm doing good, man. You know, just a little bit of a break, coming into the All-Star break. We got one more game before the break, and then a nice few days off. And so a lot going on back in Milwaukee.

Gil definitely has some opinions. We are here to protect your bag, though. I mean, you're on vacation going with Doc? Because Doc said he was going to go on vacation, too. Well, Doc's going to be coaching the All-Star team. Best record in the – well, no, second best record, but because Boston did it last year, we get to do it this year. But he said he was going to give the money to Adrian Griffin.

Is Adrian Griffin going to accept that, Brett? Money and the gear. Money and the gear. Maybe the gear. Fuck that. I want my job. At least the gear. I want my job back.

You want to give me something? Give me my job back. Give me my job back. Yeah me my job back. Yeah. Tell them people, never mind. So just looking at this Bucs squad, obviously Doc Rivers taking over for Adrian Griffin. Yeah. Team has been struggling just a little bit in the Doc Rivers era. In your opinion, you get to see this team all the time, what's the Bucs' biggest issue right now?

Oh, man, just trying to find, you know, who we are as a basketball team, just an identity. And that was even an issue when we were rolling and had a really good record under Adrian Griffin, who is an outstanding person, really good coach, I think in a different scenario where the expectations were not quite as high, that he'd be the perfect man for a job like this. But this was a situation where it's championship or bust. And even that good record that we had was done with the softest schedule in the league the first half of the season. Our schedule, the second half is the hardest schedule in the league. And so Adrian came in and wanted to reinvent some things that had been successful

for the team under Mike Budenholzer. One of those was force more turnovers. Well, we were last in the league in turnovers, even though we had that great record. A lot of the stuff that he wanted to do, we last in the league in transition defense. It was just some glaring effort stats that just weren't coinciding with the team kind of coalescing and coming together like you would hope it would. It just got to that point. Some of the things that had

Bobby Portis' blow up during the in-season tournament, Giannis came out and said that, it's funny, Giannis came out and said that we all got to be better. The coaching staff must be better. The coaching staff must be better. The equipment manager must be better. I must be better.

That night we played against Utah. I'm like, I got on the air. I'm like, broadcasters, we got to be better. Everybody's got to be. We're getting ready to turn this stuff around. Everybody's got to. We got down like 30 in the first half. And then that's when it was like, for me, a disconnect.

Like, what's going on? I don't know what these guys are. The next game, Boston, later that week, blew them out. Played great. So I just think management felt it was time to, at this point in the season, just kind of bite the bullet, make the tough decision, and bring in a guy that's had 24 years of head coaching experience in the NBA, has had some success as a champion with the Celtics, and just knows the NBA kind of ropes and lingo and parlance.

And so we'll see how... It's been fascinating watching it kind of unfold. I don't know where it's gonna lead, but it's been fascinating. You never know. You never know. So do you think Adrian would have been better with a younger team? Oh, without question. If we were the Orlando Magic or one of these young up-and-coming teams, I still think he could coach in the NBA.

He's an outstanding coach, outstanding person, got his Ph.D. in organizational leadership. But the first kind of sign was coming in and changing our defense and having Brooke Lopez blitz on the perimeter at 7'1", 290 pounds with a 7'6 wingspan, second best shot blocker in the league last year, second for defensive player of the year. Got Brooke out there trying it, but with little success. After about two or three weeks in, I think it was Chris Middleton, Giannis, maybe even Brooke came to Adrian and said, look, let's get Brooke back into that drop defense that he was so successful doing last year.

And so Adrian said, hey, I'm no fool. I'm going to listen to this. Put him back in drop. That next game against the Knicks, he had nine block shots. And so it's just little things like that, little adjustments like that, that he was trying to do something. You know, you come into a new situation, you want to put your own mark on it. And so I'm the new coach, so we're going to, you know, do things differently than the old regime.

Well, the old regime, Budenholzer, our defense was top five for the last four or five years. Offense was really solid. So my opinion is that you don't have to throw out everything. You know, you come in and tweak a couple of things here and there, try something different, put your own personality, your own style on it. But, you know, it didn't work. I think the guys, if you were there, you'd get that sense that something wasn't right, just in the huddles and everybody's doing their own thing and everybody's talking and

nobody's... It was just a real nonproductive vibe that you picked up on that I thought made the change necessary. So I got another question. So even though there was 30 and 13 at the time, winning doesn't solve those things? Well, it's- Right? If they was 13 and 30?

No, without question, without question. Everybody expect a change. But again, he just scheduled, he just scheduled... I understand, but it's still the NBA though. Yeah, yeah, it's still the NBA, but it's the way that you're winning. You know, teams that we should be blowing out, it's a struggle. We've got to come back to beat, I forgot who it was, but one of these teams that was at the bottom of the league, had us down, you know, Detroit. We got to come back to beat the Pistons. We go to Detroit to play the Pistons back to back, and it's a struggle each game. While

they're losing, they're missing losing 25, 26 in a row. And again, it's the NBA, and the talent is there on a given night for anybody to compete, but you could just get the sense that the team wasn't buying in You know in terms of what he was trying to do. I understand you know, but isn't that isn't that a Isn't that a personal problem for each other right because I remember when Eddie Jordan came and He he gave he put the Princeton in right the Same offense that they had, right? And we didn't buy into it, right? Horrible, like, this is a horrible offense, coach. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is

horrible. Like, this is not how I play basketball. This is, we've seen here passing people touching the ball that they shouldn't be touching the ball at the wrong times, right? And realizing he's not going nowhere. He just got the job. I'm new. So at the end of the day It didn't work all the new things that was trying to be put in it didn't work

So he said here's the playbook learn it And I said well Can I change some shit in here that I see the fit us as a team like we have you know? We don't have you know Chris Webber them that make it back pass that's not our team So can I change it a little bit? And they said, do it. So I took the playbook the whole time and then ended up changing it.

And then the same team, the very next year, we added Antoine Jamerson. That actually helped, right, relieve some of the backdoor problems that we were having. So as a team, if you failed last year and he's trying to implement something new. But we didn't fail last year. But in a sense, yeah, you didn't win last year and he's trying to implement something new. But we didn't fail last year. But in a sense, yeah, you didn't win last year. No, but Giannis missed two and a half games against Miami. But see, that's the problem. If he wouldn't have got hurt in that series, I'm telling you, we'd beat Miami in the first round.

Now, how much further we would have gone, could we have beaten Boston to get to the finals? I don't know. But I really believe in my heart we could have beat Miami with Giannis being healthy. Okay, but see, that's the delusion that we have sometimes. It's just humans right we we did lose Right without yana without yana when half games is right. So if you say Let's bring back. Let's bring back. Let's bring back Giannis and say we would have went there then why fire the coach So that means the coach didn't do nothing wrong either Yeah

So now so you fired a coach knowing that if y'all would have been healthy, y'all would have probably won. How long did Eddie Jordan last with you guys? Did he have a lot of success? Yeah. We had four, five, six years. Eddie's a good man. So you fired a coach that lets you know

that you need to change anyway. So the guy you bring in, if he sees that we could do this better, you have to give it some time. So sometimes we just go into situations that we don't like change. Like if I like sitting back here,

right, saving my energy, you come to me, right, now you want me to come blitz and hard show and do all this and that's not what I want to do. Right. I'm going to...

Give it half. I'm going to give it half the shit anyway. See, oh, of course this shit don't work. Oh, he keep going around. Go give me the fake hustle. There you go.

But I was seeing a lot of that. It was a lot of that. It was a lot of that. But even Budenholzer, now the knock on Coach Budenholzer, I thought was excellent, but it was adjustments, you know, just kind of,

he had this mindset, and I forget what he called it, but it was a corporate kind of an approach where you don't change. You just stick to what you're doing, come hell or high water, success or failure, you got to believe in it, you stick to it. And so that was something that not so much the players, maybe ownership. I know the fan base didn't like it. They wanted more change. They wanted him to play younger players and develop younger players. And he was kind of a guy that I'm rolling with my older vets. And that's kind of how Doc has been so far. So, I mean, so, you know, he's been there five years.

And, you know, it's always something that, you know, when the players start tuning you out at a certain point, you know, ownership thinks that it's time to go in another direction. Yeah, go ahead. No, this is a young guy's league. Yeah, yeah, without question. You've got is a young guys league. Yeah. Yeah without question And look you can't roll with them maybe in the finals or But you got January February

March when you want to give your old bets legs a little chance to rest a little bit I mean these and then you've got to start developing in my opinion and out of training camp and play them You know in a little bit to rest a little bit. And then you've got to start developing them, in my opinion, out of training camp and play them a little bit in December, January. So by the time Andre Jackson Jr. or Marshawn Beauchamp or A.J. Green has been really good. If I need you, you're ready. You're ready. You're ready. So, yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with that. Instead of coming into January and you got, I don't know, you coming into January and you got 22 DMPs.

You're like, ah! But to your point, so the teams that killed us this year, they was going up and down and every time, make or miss, they just pushing it up the floor. So we got our, you know, Chris Middleton and Brook Lopez and Dame, I mean, some of our 30-plus-year-old guys, you know. They can't go. You know, and Miami did that to us the other night. They came in.

We were just beating Denver on Monday night. They came in Tuesday night, and, man, they just transitioned us. They just played fast. Nikola Jokic looked like Nikola Jokic, you know, just lighting us up. But in training, beating us down the floor, getting to the spots. We close out. They beat us, kick, you know. And so, yeah, yeah, we are a work in progress. Progress, not perfection.

So what's the difference between, let's say, Doc and Adrian? So like, even with Adrian, you know, you're trying to implement new stuff, and they're rejecting it. Now, the problem with the new coach is, it's old stuff. I need to implement my stuff, and if they don't like it, they're going to reject it. Now Doc is on the time ticker, and this is why I first said he can't win here.

The reason he can't win here is when he comes in, he's going to look at that roster, think about he's on the watch list. So I'm not going to gamble as much as a coach. I'm going to play, I'm going to try to cut my rotation down and I'm going to play safe basketball. Safe basketball for Doc, you're not going to win. And that's the problem

because you need to experiment to see who can do what. Now you're sitting here with a, there used to be a nine man rotation. Now that's just a seven man rotation because you want to try to collect these wins up to make yourself look good But understand this about about docking where he is in his career. I don't know what his contract is. Let's just say it 40 million It's like three years 40 million. We know

13 point three a year. Okay, so and if they fired me what have I got I'll get that money. Yeah, you get it Okay, so I if they fired me what have I don't get that money. Yeah, you get it. Okay, so I'm guaranteed 40 million for three years That's not going to put any I mean, you know, and I've been around 24 years Not like I'm just some new coach got approved. I won a championship. I've had some success I've had some a lot a lot of failures up 3-1 blah blah blah But I don't think it's that same kind of and that that's the thing. When you're a veteran coach like Doc, 62 years old, a Milwaukee guy at Marquette,

you're coming in and hoping that what you want to implement, and he's got two great assistants, Dave Yeager. I loved him since he was with Memphis, Sacramento. I thought he did a really good job. Absolutely. Yeah, you can tell by the way his teams play, you know, that this guy can coach.

Maybe he wasn't ready to take him to the next level. Who knows? Rex Kalamian played or coached with the Clippers with Doc. He's been around forever. He's got a good staff that he brought in with him. And so I just think with Doc, it's like, hey, I'm going to come in. I'm going to give it my best shot. And if these guys respond.

And the guys know that. Like, they look like, look, y'all done got rid of one coach, two coaches, actually, Boothoser and Adrian Griffin after 43 games with a 30-13 record. Now, the onus is on you to embrace what this man has done. We done got rid of two guys for you. Now here comes the third in

with a nice resume, got all the background they were looking for in terms of being a local guy and all the success he had at Marquette. Now, the onus is, it puts the pressure on the players now what y'all gonna do and so Doc's thing is he wants to simplify What we're doing so that the players don't have to think as much they can play with more fire And you could see that that was an issue before And then he wants to stop talking about it and be about it stuff all this like yeah We want to be champions,

we want to win. You know, forget about all that. Get out there and play like you want to be a championship team. So whether or not it's embraced by the players remains to be seen, but that's what makes it fascinating. So let's talk a little bit about Damian Lillard, still trying to find his rhythm with the team. Yeah. What do Damian the Bucks need to do after the break to get him right? You said with the team or with the coach You got it. Now, you know, you got worded, right? worded right with the new coach Coaches team. He was all you know, he started all-star with the way he was playing before doc got there

If we revote right now, god damn it Brunson you the starter now god damn it you to start It's interesting be funny you mentioned Brunson cuz with Dame I mean if and I was talking with him a few games ago and and and and I was like man You know if I had to grade you based on you know What I know you can do and what I've seen so far I give you like a C C plus, you know Shooting percentage is way down, turnovers are up, usage rate is way down. His usage rate is like 30 or something percent,

and that's like lowest it's been in about eight years. The thing that Doc wants to do is to not cut down Giannis' touches, but give the ball to Dam a little more. Let the point guard be your point guard. Giannis, you get out in transition, get out on the wing, you know, backside cuts to the basket. You don't have to initiate every single action every single time. And Giannis' usage rate is about the lowest it's been in about four or five years. It's not like he's been a ball haul.

And another thing I told Dame is when he talked to me about a month into it, he told me he was having some challenges, I'll put it that way, to figure out kind of how to play with Giannis. I told him, man, this is around Thanksgiving. I said, Giannis can fix his own plate. You worry about your plate. Don't worry about trying to fix his plate. He's going to get his. Giannis is going to go to the hole, get in transition, get some offensive rebound, do this, do that, get some steals. He's going to get his. Don't concern yourself with him. And as a point guard, it's easier said than done because you want to placate the big man.

You want to make sure he's fed, gets the ball where he needs to get it. But with Giannis, you don't have to worry so much about that. And I think Dame got... And he told me recently that he sat out a game or two with an ankle or something, but he said, I've started to really kind of see what this team needs me to do and that that's to be Dame I mean penetrate kick use your quickness that you use that little extra gear you have when you can beat it off the dribble and separate they you collapse the defense now look that you're kicking the shooter so he's doing a better job of that and you mentioned Brunton I'm

telling you Dame's defense has been disparaged and talked about but this dude plays better defense than what people thought. Yeah, I thought what people thought. He locked last three or four minutes of this Knick game, I think it was an in-season tournament or whatever it was. But he got into Jalen Brunson and gave this effort that, to me, was like, okay, now, see, you didn't expose yourself. I don't want to see anything less come crunch time.

So what we used to do when Chauncey came, right? Chauncey's a great decision maker. Chauncey will get the ball where he needs to get it to, but he can score when he needs to. So we stopped throwing the ball to Melo in the backcourt. Whoever got the rebound, now you make him get ahead of the ball. Yeah. Right?

Make him go. Right. Yeah. So now when other guys, so when Brooke getting the rebound or Chris, whoever the guys don't want to bring it up, they can't bring it up. They give it to Dame instead of Giannis is always being the one back there looking for the outlet. Right.

Right. So now you make him get ahead of the ball. Yeah. Now Dame got the ball and he can be the decision maker. I think a couple, a few games ago, Brooke or somebody threw it to Dame. He wouldn't hit him in the back of the head because he's waiting for him to give it to Giannis. He's so used to it. This is how we've been operating. This needs to be a conversation. I ain't saying you got to be 100% of it today and he wouldn't hit you like hit him in the back of the head because he's waiting for him to give it to Giannis. You're so used to this is how we've been operating.

This needs to be a conversation. I ain't saying you got to be 100 percent of the time. Right. Right. But as a group, in order for us to play better and play different. Right. Get a different result. Play different.

Play different. It has to be a conversation within the locker room. Yeah. That Giannis, we need you to get ahead of the ball more times. Right. Bringing it up so you can go go into pick and roll with Dame. Now it's a better. Remember I said I'm watching the game and I pointed something out.

I said Dame and Giannis do not know how to play together with each other because what ends up happening is when Dame does a pick and roll with Giannis, everyone knows Giannis can't shoot, so they're going to blitz Dame, right? So now when he wants to set a pick and roll thinking this is about to be Amari and him, and they're like, nah, we're going to blitz you. Now he's like, oh, shit, I got to give it to... And he's not really good at passing out.

Dame, that's not a strength of his. His bigs and teams are doing that, the real big, long, length on him, coming and blitzing him. And he has some issues kind of finding the open guys, because of his size and all that, so. So he'd rather stay with, so now he'd rather

just do the pick and roll with Lope. Brooke. Brooke. He loves Brooke. Yeah, so now, Giannis for Dame, when Dame want to get off and get his shit going, Giannis is not his number one option. He's like, I don't want to, you can do your own, I'm going to play with you guys.

Him and Bobby Paul. And that's what ends up happening. So Dame is consciously going away from Yannis pick and roll and staying here and then when the Yannis wants to play Yannis is playing one-on-one so what ends up happening is is It's gonna be what is really the betterment of the team and the problem that's gonna be is this Yannis you going to have to play half-court basketball. Right? Because when we give it to Dame and Dame is bringing it up, your fast

break is going to be cut off. Now that's $50,000 that you spent in the summer to try to prove a point. You're going to have to exercise that $50,000. Get your ass in that pose. Now, you're going to have me sitting here like Right and he got you

When Giannis goes one-on-one it's like one on four it walls its walls I mean and then the good Miami Eric's poster. I mean Giannis had one free throw I believe for the game he had done 19 at halftime 23 for the game for in a second I mean they built a wall and did it effectively You know Bam out of bios got this trip got the foot speed to kind of stay in front of him not let him get To his spots and every time he spun there was somebody coming at him and you know and so It's it's better for him almost in situations like that against good teams What you'll see in the playoffs is to rely on Dame to kind of initiate. And now you looked as that weak side cutter to find your spots in there after they blitz Dame or whatever they're going to do to try to slow him down,

all that defensive attention he can command. Now you've got some stuff going on on that second side that you can exploit. And his jumper, he's knocking down his mid-range jumper a lot more consistently the last five or six games. It's starting to come around. His post-up game is a lot a lot better He's got the you know, nice little jump hook middle He's got this fade to the right shoulder on the baseline that he's knocking down

So it's just a question of and this is where docking his staff. He got to earn that How much 13.3 you got to earn that money coming up coming to divide and document? Doc has said that this team is not it's a long ways, and it's going to be after the All-Star break before we kind of get our feet under us and go on a little bit of a roll. And so, so far, he's been prescient with that. You better be careful where y'all listen. That first-round matchup.

Yeah. Can't let too many go, and you fuck around and slip, and you got the wrong matchup in the first round. Well, right now, there's a point where we were three, and Indiana was six. And I looked at that and I was like, we don't want that. What's funny is Giannis, right? After this season, he should look at how Miami plays him.

How do they keep stopping me personally? I'm having trouble with this team. What are they doing? So when he thinks about this is the best team defense that I face, let me watch it. Let me break down the film so I can work on

my game next summer. See where I can gain an advantage against them. This ain't a person. This is a team that has your number. That means you have the blueprint to how to get better. Once you defeat them, there's really nothing that has your number. That means you have the blueprint to how to get better. Once you defeat them, there's really nothing that can stop you. So if you need to say, all right, I can post him up here, I can cut here,

this is where I need to work on my mid-range, you will start really understanding how to get better as a basketball player. Well, and that's the difference between KD and a guy like Giannis. I'm overstating the obvious here But you know KD a pull that mid-range jumper ten times a game you give it to him Mm-hmm Giannis may shoot it three times five even if he's making a missing this kind of a limit You might and that's that confidence that that you're lacking in terms of where you were as a mid-range shooter where you're now You're doing better, but you still don't have that inner confidence that you know

That that makes you like Chris Middleton makes you shoot it without even thinking. There's still some, you can see him thinking out there and hesitating, and he'll pull it a little short, you know. And I always say on the air, you got to let that thing go. If they give it to you, let it go. Live with the results. So you talked about Bucks being three, Pacers being six. If the playoffs started today, Bucks would be the third seed. Pacers would be the sixth seed. Neither here nor there, but just something to think about

from that matchup standpoint. But you get up. You're a role as analyst with the Bucs. Get a front row seat to see some of the best young talent in the NBA. We talk about this a lot on the show, but in your opinion, who has all the ingredients to be the next face of the league? Oh, man. Give me some names.

I don't know. That's a tough one. We're talking about Ja, Anthony Edwards, I mean... Thanasis. Jason. Thanasis did a sham gun. Yeah, we talked about it. You see Thanasis' sham gun the other day, man?

Yeah. Come on, man. The world saw it. The world said the world... He made sure we saw it. Leave Thanasis alone, man. But I'm just... who... When you look at these young players

Yeah, I mean I like Anthony Edwards, I mean Anthony Edwards he's interesting because He has really worked on his game to the point now He's comfortable scoring pretty much anywhere on the floor and he's always had the athleticism It's funny. It's ironic. You, that old tape of Anthony Edwards in high school, talking about Cam Reddish is the dude, everybody wanted to be like Cam. It's amazing how as time passes, how you pass dudes, you guys all experienced that. Dudes that were up here that you just idolized and all of a sudden it gets closer and closer and then pretty soon you're

looking down at them. But Anthony Edwards and the way Minnesota's playing, the way their coach has them playing at both ends, top defense in the league. I love what they're doing offensively, Gobert. And Cat seemed to have found out how to play together. You know, they are a real solid team. You know, it's hard to, I mean, are we saying Jokic is not a face of the league right now or what? I don't think he wants to be.

He doesn't want to be. Somebody has to embrace it. He don't got the face to be the face of the league. This is all of it. So what you're saying, personality and just personality. All of it. Kind of that superstar, megastar, shoes. Like, you know, the ones the kids look like want to be like.

Right, right. We said, you know, Jai had a good opportunity to do that. Obviously a little tough with his suspension and not missing the rest of the season. Right, right. We said, you know, Jai had a good opportunity to do that. Obviously a little tough with his suspension and not missing the rest of the season. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tatum is, you know,

I can't fight Tatum. I love Tatum. I mean, Tatum, and people talk about, you know, his playoffs. I don't know. I mean, there's some criticism of him

that people I know kind of throw out there that think Jalen Brown is better than this dad, and I think they're crazy. I think Jason Tatum, he's so good, you know, with his ability to get to his spots and the long-range shooting, and he finishes inside.

And I don't know. I mean, I like him as a potential face of the league also. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. It's the Evil All-Star Weekend. We have a combined nine All-star appearances here on this couch So there's so much that you guys include me You don't want to care to the weather. I got. Duh. Duh. But it's way less.

In case of offense, I think the most points on this couch in an All-Star game. Okay. Yeah. You already know. I'm for sure. I'm not even close. What, at 17? Yeah, 17 to 7.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At 17 to 7? I never had a good All-Star. They were playing defense back in your days, right? Well, it was 2004 All-Star. Okay, yeah. I was too excited. I before this. Well, that was 2004 All-Star. Okay, yeah. I was too excited. I was too. Yeah, I was way too...

My excitement leads to jumping. Yeah. Woo! Yeah. Throw it! So, we just want to take y'all back down memory lane. How did you feel when you first found out that you made your first All-Star game? And what was it like walking in that locker room, seeing your All-Star jersey hanging

up there amongst all the other great players in the league? Well, the first All-Star game, I mean, it was expected. Damn. I was averaging 26 a game. I was, you know, third leading scorer in the league. You know, started off the season my second year with six or seven straight 30-point games. Yeah. That was the year I was first team All-Pro.

So that was like, I thought I should have made it the year before. As a rookie I averaged like 20 and 10 basically. 19.7 or something and 10 plus rebound. So I thought I had a legitimate chance to make that. They took Brian Winters, my teammate, and he even told me like, yeah, you know, you'll make plenty more of these. They probably should have took you this year.

And so that next year, you know, it was like expected. Now that first year we played in the Detroit Silverdome. Pontiac Silverdome. Alright, so that next year, you know, it was like expected. Now, that first year we played in the Detroit Silverdome, Pontiac Silverdome. All right, so that's my first All-Star game. I'm at the hotel. The bus is going to leave to go over there real early, too early, five hours before the game. And I just said, I don't want to get there that early. So I said, like, I missed the bus.

Okay, I'll find a ride. So I'm outside maybe two and a half hours before the game. It's about a 40-minute ride, and there's no transportation. I'm just out there like, oh, shoot. So this player comes up who's on the All-Star team, a good buddy of mine back in those days. And he's got like a big Cadillac. Somebody's driving. Got five dudes in there from Detroit.

And so he's like, yo, Mark, you need a ride? I was like, yeah, yeah, can I? So I jump in there. There's six of us, three in the front, three in the back. We're riding out to Pontiac Silverdome. They start blazing up some weed. They just start smoking some weed. They're passing my way.

He's like, no, no, I got to play. My boy's like, yo, no, this will make you play better, man. Here, here, here. And so the contact, all that. So we get to the game, and just, you know, I can imagine what I must have smelled like, you know, in that car ride for 45 minutes. We get to the Silverdome. I get dressed, we're waiting in the tunnel to go out for

the warm-ups, and there's a guy with the London Fog overcoat on, white guy, long hair, and so he's just kind of waiting there. So as we get ready to run out, he takes off the overcoat, and he's got on a Kansas City Kings warm-up, Barry Bremond, he's a great imposter. He runs out there with us. And so I kind of look at him, and he's like, yeah, the name on his shooting shirt is Johnson. I think it's Ali Johnson from Kansas City. He said, just pretend I'm your cousin. I'm cool, I'm cool, I'm cool. Just pretend I'm your cousin.

We got a little video clip of that whole situation. So this is from halftime. This is you walking out right here. And then coming up, that's him right there, white dude. Yeah. And he actually, that's halftime? Yeah. Okay, because he actually warmed up with us, too.

He came out there for warm-ups. He must have paid one of the ushers. He had to pay somebody to get that kind of access. But you can imagine, I'm a little buzzed from the secondhand smoke, just the secondhand smoke. And, you know, I got this dude coming out here, and, you know, he's like, be cool, man, I'm cool. I think Otis Bird saw him, might have snitched on him or something

and got him out of there. But, you know, so, yeah, but seeing the jersey out there. But for me, again, my second year, I felt like, you know, this is overdue. I should have been All-Star last year, if I'm going to be honest but it was it was you know it was great to start that game um maybe I started alongside Dr. J or something so it was all good uh you got voted in the second year uh your first year was voted yeah your second year got voted in yeah all-star starter babe damn yep gentlemen what was your first all-star experience like what was it like for you to walk into that locker room and see your jersey hanging up?

I was geeked. That was, I know there was a video of me like, yo, do I get to keep, like, because it had the robe in it. Do I get to keep this? Like, so I was, I mean, I'm not even going to lie. It was probably one of the best moments because, you know, draft wasn't you know

My draft moment wasn't so that that moment of you know being an all-star like when I heard that I was all-star It was all right cool. You know you're in the middle of the season you hear the art cool Yeah, but when you get there, and then you see everybody Like every like all everyone in one Area is like oh yeah Like, every, like, all, everyone in one area. It's like, oh, shh. Damn.

And, I mean, I've brushed your asses individually, but this is a whole different thing right here. You know, so I was more, I was more like a little kid. Was that your 29 point a game year? Was that your, what year was that? No, that was my 25.5. Okay. Right, so, like, I got that because of Larry got hurt, broke his thumb. You know, so I was basically third on the team in the sense of, you know, production.

And when he got hurt, I took over and took my production and his production up. So by the time he got back, I was the one that was going to end. Who was going to end? Antoine? Antoine Jameson? Antoine was probably the number one option. Him or Larry was the number one option. I was third. Okay. And then when he went out, I jumped in front of Antoine James? Antoine was probably the number one option. Him or Larry was the number one option. I was third. And then when he went out, I jumped in front of Antoine. I was averaging 25.

What was your first experience getting a plane? First and only? You were an all-star. Nah, like your dad said, I felt I should have made it the year before. We had the best record in the East. Yeah, so, but yeah, nah, it was dope, man. I was excited. We was playing here. Yeah, who don't want to play an All-Star game in LA?

Yeah. Oh, you're the LA one? Yeah, yeah, 04, yeah. It was dope, it was great, man. Had my point guard there, so it made my job easy. You know, me able to score 17 in an All-Star game. That's why you scored 17. The kid was like...

Oh, yeah, I got my point guard. He was actually passing. The kid was looking for you. I had my point guard there, so it was... Because I asked him how to approach it, and he just said, be you. Yeah, yeah. Because I didn't know. He was a multi-time All-Star.

I'm like, man, what do I need to do, man? I don't... For a time, he said, shit, just be you. Yeah, well, I don't, for every time he says shit, just be you. Yeah. Well, it's good to have a point guard on your side. Quick story. I mean, my last All-Star game, fifth and final, went 86 in Dallas. That was a special.

Reunion Arena. Bud Webb, dunk game, dunk contest game. But I'm playing. Let's talk about your point guard. So I'm on the floor. Magic's got the ball in the middle. We're in transition. Worthy's on one side on the wing.

I'm on the other side on the wing. I'm getting my steps together. One defender back. We're coming down. We cross half court. Get to right on top of the middle. We're in transition. Worthy's on one side on the wing. I'm on the other side on the wing. I'm getting my steps together. One defender back. We're coming down. We cross half court. Get to right on top of the key. Magic looks my way. That's when I knew I wasn't getting... I'm like, no, no. No, don't look. Don't look that way. He hit Worthy.

Worthy came in and dunked. I knew right then. I was like, oh, man, don't look at me like that. Don't look at me. Look the other way. But that's his point guard taking care of his team. I couldn't be mad at him. If we would have won, like I don't know everybody's stats in that game. If we would have won that game, I probably had a shot. At MVP?

At MVP. Because there wasn't nobody scoring like that. But back then, it wasn't like everybody how that three ball is now and people scoring the way they are in the All-Star game. Does that do anything for you guys, dilute the significance of the records, the way the lack of defense being played, and all the points these guys are scoring,

or you don't really give a crap? It bothers me. With just a regular basketball or an All-Star game, I'm saying? Just this season No, no, I'm talking all-star game game and you got gas going like, you know, most points an all-star game history You know recently he's a guy you would you would you would know better because you know, I think you guys back then Took it serious serious, man

Yeah, you know you guys took it serious at a point where it was actually a basketball game. Yeah, right, right Now like even when I played I remember when I jumped off the trampoline in Vegas They dinner had a heart attack The thought of it like yo, you know, we got the rest of the season getting ready for the playoffs So, you know when we went into the you know, when I went into All-Star, it was more, yo, rest. Right. Because we got the second half of the season to try to make a push. Yeah.

So, you know, me going into the, you know, to All-Star weekend anyway, it was team. Right. Right. So these guys are sitting here like, yo, I still got the team. This ain't even really important enough. Right. And I guess that wasn't even really important enough. Right? And I guess that wasn't the thought back then. I think the thought back then is that.

Yeah, and it wasn't the extravaganza. So you come in, I'd come in like on a Saturday morning or something instead of Friday. We had the banquet, the dinner like Friday, Saturday night, Bob Hope. Remember, Bob Hope had a line at our All-Star banquet, around 82 in Cleveland, wherever it was in Cleveland. But he had the line, you know, I don't want to say there's a lot of drug use in the NBA, but there's a rumor that the Golden State Warriors landed at the Oakland airport an hour before their team did, an hour before the team plane did. You know what I'm saying?

High as a kite. You know. You know. So, listen, Jonathan Winters, I mean, he was all something, but he was just motor—I was sitting next to him on the desk, and he was talking to me all the minute. So we had that and then the game. So it just wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like, oh, I got to get there and participate in all the festivities. No, they're making you do it now.

You got to do all this stuff. I mean, on Friday, yeah. Obligations, a lot of obligations. Yeah, now, like you were saying, I went to the West. People don't know. Yeah, I was a one-time All-Star, but I changed conferences. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. And... Get your ass on out of here. Yeah. And Jameson was happy. I know he was. You dudes was like, ooh, he gone. He gone? Ooh.

Like, yeah, there's a lot of dudes, man. Like, but, yeah. If Denver would have, yeah, if Denver would have yeah if Jersey would offer more I woulda Who does most it would be here after year after year nobody in the East That's nothing I was wondering Eastern Conference and we talked about a little on the show But do you know what you know now? Would you have stayed in the East not necessarily even with with the Nets but just stayed in the Eastern Conference? Probably so. Okay. But the thing then, shit, the only other team in the East that had money at the time that offered me was Atlanta.

And Lord knows what the hell that would have been. What, me at 26 in Atlanta? Oh. With a max deal? Everybody's like, yeah, they was on drugs. That's why I say, they gonna stop anybody how they go stop anybody god it was under the influence no no no that's I heard you say that on Shannon Shannon showed I let me let me let me set the record straight

now I did an informal survey of the amount of guys who were actually drug abusers on the roster it was was less than two, probably per... Like 1.8. See, keep wording that phrase. You said abusers. Abused. Abusers. Fucking users and abusers.

Two totally separate things now. Well, two totally different things. I'm talking about to the point... Now, how many of you, sir, if you were to change your word in that survey, how many of you motherfuckers was users? I mean... I bet that two would have been more like four and a half

Smoking weed in your era there wasn't a lot of weed smoking going on. Come on. I mean I mean ecstasy and all that Ecstasy I know a bunch of cats, you know, I could just look at them and you know, this is like 10 15 20 years ago, whatever when it was a big thing back in those days. So, but no, but my point is, so, I mean, so you might have four or five teams with nobody that was, you know, serious, serious drug abuser. You might have a team with three or four guys, but it wasn't like, it wasn't like Rampant. And some of the best players in the league, without naming names, you know, were, you know, doing what they were doing naming names, you know, were doing what they were doing.

So, you know. Can you explain something, because I read a rule and you would know better. So okay, so today, right, when everybody talks about the hand checking rule, what was the actual hand checking rule in the 70s versus the 90s? I'm trying to remember. Was there there a two-hand hand check at first I mean I think the rule the the understanding the principle was that if you stuck your arm and locked your elbow They would call a foul even in your area

Yeah But as long as you had the elbow bent you could pretty much guide a play now before my era in the early 70s with Norm Van Leer Norm Van Leer played with with the Milwaukee Bucks at the very tailed end of his career And he got called for a couple of early aggressive hand checks with two hands And he kept complaining to Earl Strom the official and they called him for a third one so the rest of the quarter He played defense with his hands behind his back He was just slide his feet they gave him tech for that because he was showing up the officials yeah see that's what i read something where okay so they were two years for a long time yeah so there was a two-hand

handshake yeah yeah right i think people got confused when they said the hand check is gone there was a two-hand handshake where you can really really take your man yeah you can really take your man 70s right before i got to the league. That was like really, really physical. And then eventually it became the one-hand hand check where everyone's getting confused. Like that hand check is still kind of in the day. Right. So there was a thing when Jordan was coming down and Charles Oakley kept getting called, right? It was like the two-hand hand check is gone and they're trying to get used to this new one. Right.

And then this guide went. And I'm like the guide one is not the one that people think was the greatest defense because this guide win, when you extend, I can hit that off. It was this two win that was controlling everybody. When you're trying to drive, and I can funnel you both. That's the one they took off. And that made guys like Jim Price. You don't remember him in Louisville, but early 70s, Lakers, Bucks, some other teams.

He's one of the top guard defenders, but he was just, his forearms, he was super strong. He would just- Yeah, see that- His foot speed was average, but up here, he was just so physically aggressive. Jerry Sloan did the same thing with the Bulls when he was in the back court with Norm Van Leer. They would just beat you up and then not allow you to go where you wanted to go. So it was a lot tougher for the quarterback.

That's what I said. So now, people under the Frito line, you still have a handshake. There's still a handshake. But the difference is now guys are going downhill, which is hard to handshake a guy going downhill. If you looked at... He just got called for it. He didn't get called for the hand check. Look at Josh Hart.

Josh Hart, I think it was, was it Josh Hart against LeBron? It was Josh Hart. He was hand checking someone. They didn't call the foul until he pushed. Pushed him, yeah. Right? So that was the foul. That's what people don't like.

He has the hand check on him. And he's behind him like normal. And then what he usually do is I can't guard him I can't do this I try to try to push him off that spot and that's where they call a foul they don't call a foul on it Ain't no way you saw that that's the one yet. There's no way you saw that He said anyway, you saw if you look at it. He has the handshake on him That is just irrelevant today the handshake that everybody think is a hand check that everybody can play about was the two hand hand check that can just hold you.

The stronger guys can hold you from trying to drive around them. And guide you where they want you to go. Yeah, yeah. Guide you. But you can see he's holding with two hands, not the one hand that everybody keeps thinking the 80s had. It's like, ah. The person who probably did it the most that they

probably used as a rule was Derek Harper Derek Harper. Yep Mm-hmm You trying to back him down and he trying he's I'm literally got your waist in like I'm you remember this It was like it is this and this and it's just a little cuff and I'm holding you on his sidelines So you can't go nowhere goddamnit and that's what they took off. Yeah, that's why I play in the post Yeah No, I grab it. And that's what they took off. Yeah, that's why I play in the post Yeah Maybe grab it. I'll grab your baseline side

So you can't spin can't spin if you get ready to twist if I feel you I let go. Yeah 50 that's what said people right? Right I grab you but I never had This on the baseline. Yeah, never. Yes Everybody gone This I feel that twitch. Oh, yeah, I let go because you I'm gonna let you go. Mm-hmm This is who you turn it ball. Yeah Yeah, it's details. So dad Marcus. I'm professional saying I call you Marcus Well, it's the John when I need some bread. I call you dad

So you said all-starend wasn't as turnt up or as much stuff going on as it is now, but for you guys in those 2000s, what was your favorite part of All-Star Weekend? What was the worst part? Okay, so the most excited I was for All-Star was I think it was 2002. Was that Philly?

It was either Philly. 50 Cent just came out, G-Unit. I love how we can take music moving. It was Philly. Yeah, so basically everybody down in the lobby in 50 Cent, that whole G-Unit. So everybody got the tank tops and the G-Unit on. Everybody got first. Just watching money. Because I was broke. Right, that whole G unit. So everybody got the tank tops and the G unit on. Like, everybody got furs. Just watching money.

Right, because, you know, I was broke. So just going down there, just watching shit you could never, ever be a part of. Like, yeah, all the little nice ladies in here. Yeah, I'm like the ball kid at this point, right? Just like, yeah. Was that 2002 or 2003? 2002. 2002 was my second year.

It was my second year. It was my second year. It was my second year because I played in the rookie sophomore game. So 02 was Philly, right? Yeah, I played in the rookie sophomore game. So you played against Jay Rich? Jay Rich was a freshman, right? Yeah, so you were a sophomore at Jay Rich. Yeah.

So you know what's wild? We were playing. I was at UCLA at that point. We played Villanova and somehow ended up having to stay in the fucking All-Star Weekend Hotel and live there. He was there too? Most pimps fur coats. Yeah, that's wild. It I've ever seen Philly and well, yeah, we have Over out there somebody they put us in the fucking all-star hotel. Well, y'all didn't come to DC then

See how your before 2001 That one that was when I I realized people used to talk about all the girls in the lobby and all that. A bus pulled up outside the hotel. All girls? All girls got off. Yeah. Outside the fucking team hotel, bro. I'm getting excited like I was going to get one.

In D.C. I was like... Oh. Hey, I'm acting like I was going to get one. You know, you heard the story before I got in the league. Like, man, there'd be girls in the lobby all the time. I'm at All-Star Weekend. Before All-Star Weekend, we'd come to every hotel.

Shit, where they at? We're going down to the bar, hanging out at the bar until they close. Like, man, ain't no women walked in this lobby yet. Ain't seen no business people in here. Stand up to Four Seasons, like, got to that D.C., that All-Star. I'm like, yo, a bus pulled up outside the hotel. I was like, yo. What is the work dynamic like?

All-Star weekend? At the All-Star weekend. Oh, it's unbelievable. It's like the black Super Bowl, as some people call it. Oh, the Super Bowl ain't got nothing on there. What? This is like, the All-Star weekend is like Instagram. What?

Right, and you got the blue check before they made you pay for the blue check. Absolutely. Oh, boy. You sitting there, listen. Picking them, come on. They're trying to be a part of this. They're trying to be a part of everything. Heavy demand, but also

heavy supply of stars. Nah. I'm just curious. Put it like this. The friend of the NBA player It damn near has first dibs Like you you damn near have first dibs at the all-star game You'll be sitting there mad like that. You pulled that oh, yeah You know I was told my played for the Bobcats like that's usually the Bobcats

Yeah, some of them bottom-feet and tees. Ain't nobody watching. Ain't never on TV. Ain't never on TV. Ain't never on national television. If you look at the national TV slate, hit one of those tees at the bottom, that's not good. If you think I'm lying, Chad, look. If you're 6, 7, and above, slim, go to All-Star Weekend and just have a jersey or whatever. Just say a little duffel bag, anything. Just look like you.

Yeah, just look like you. Look at that. Walk around the lobby with your sunglasses on. Yo, walk around with your sunglasses on. Look important. Yeah, you play on the Bobcats. You play on Orlando Magic. Yeah, you play on Utah Jazz.

You good money, boy. Go get you a little crossbody or something. A little fanny pack. A little knockoff Louis bag or something. A little fanny pack. A little knockoff Louis bag or something. You know what I'm saying? It's hard nowadays though, the internet and smartphones because you used to be able to get that off early 2000s. Nobody would know.

You're right. They got the internet. But for real. Enlarge that motherfucker. Like, where he at in the team picture? You can get away with it a little bit. I'm on a 10 day. I'm on a 10 day. I'm on a tent day. Limited Wi-Fi. You just have to be at places where Wi-Fi issues.

But you guys talk about that. And for me, just from an outsider's perspective, for the most part, all-stars are the alpha on their team for the most part. So what happens when you put up to 24 alphas in the same place at the same time? Like who are the alphas of the alphas on those teams that you guys played on? Not necessarily alphas, just the person. Whoever has the biggest personality

is going to always have the biggest personality. You know what I mean? So, you know, when I was there, it was more of like, Shaquille O'Neal is going to be Shaquille O'Neal.

Yeah. You know, I remember we had a little, it was a little tense in the locker room that it was the Vegas year because Amici just came out. So John Amici just came out. So we all got like, hey, don't talk about Amici, the LGBT.

So everybody's like, all right, cool, cool, cool. And then as soon as the media came in, Shaq took off his what's-her-name, got the silver thong jockstrap. I'm John Amici, y'all. Oh, shit. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's funny. I'm John Amici because I think what happened was John Amici came out and then Tim Hardaway said something that everybody didn't agree with.

Yeah. It was like, it was real tense. Yes, Tim did. Yes, Tim did. And then Shaq broke all that tension with Johnny Meachy y'all You know and then everybody got in the spirit and just it was kind of like alright fun loving again It was a great mutual admiration society too when we played 86 I remembered I think Clyde Drexler was on the Western Conference team and I mean he was just popping me up and how much he

Loved my game and how much he respected this and that and I'm you know I was a big Drexler fan since Houston University of Houston and I think I might like give me some of it. Give me some of that spring You got on your legs. I could use you know, it was just a real good feeling because everybody was real respectful I don't know how that was in is the years progressed 20 years later and you guys's era But I don't know if it was more competitive or more hatred or more salt, I don't know. But back then everybody was just happy to kind of be an all-star and celebrate the greatness that was in the room, if you will.

MJ was on that in 86, I don't think he played, he might have been hurt that year, but MJ, Patrick Ewing, what was it like being around those young guys, kind of the future of the league, the guys who were taking over? Well, my story with those two, it was at, that was Dallas. So after the dinner and the comedian or whatever, Willie Nelson was going to be performing. So I'm like, yeah, I'm not in the country in Western. Let me go back to the hotel. So I was outside waiting to catch a cab.

Here comes Patrick Ewing. Here comes Michael Jordan. And so we're all three kind of outside waiting to try and get some, we didn't have limos and anything like that, just transportation. This brother comes up in his old kind of older Lincoln Continental. It's like, yo, Marcus, Patrick, Michael, y'all need a ride back to the hotel? Like, yeah. So get on in. So we got on in. I'm sitting in the middle between Michael and Patrick. Michael's sitting in the middle between Patrick and me. And so I'll never forget this. This is the year Michael was hurt. Foot was But was broke missed a bunch of games came back had the 63 against Boston

And so we were all talking again mutual admiration Michael Jordan was like it like he said before yo yo Yo, I loved your game Marcus. You know, you know, I knew I had my poster on my wall And when I was in North Carolina, I was you know, Patrick was saying a bunch of good stuff So then Patrick said to Michael he's like look look MJ when you get back Don't be bringing that stuff inside to my office. And so Michael, I'll never forget this, Michael said, Pat, I got a hide-and-seek show you ain't even seen yet. I got a hide-and-seek show you ain't even seen yet. And then when he came back, he dropped that 63 on Boston.

But it was the coldest. Michael had like a fur on a full-length leather coat. But the way he said it, you know, it was just the coldest. I got a hide-and-seek show you ain't even seen yet. I just got to look it up. Hide-and just the coldest. I got a high-end Sikh show you ain't even seen yet. I just got to look it up. I got a high-end Sikh show. And then he came back with that 63 against Boston. I'm like, there's a high-end Sikh show.

There's that high-end Sikh show he was talking about. Yep. So MJ in the middle. He wouldn't take that middle. I mean, as the years progressed, he wouldn't take that middle seat. Y'all got to find your own. You got middle seat, MJ, very, very early. I was playing with the Cl progressed. Yeah, yeah. They want to take that middle seat and one of y'all. Nah. Y'all got to find your own ride.

You got middle seat, MJ, very, very early. I was playing with the Clippers, man, and I sent like a Detroit, like a flare screen on him. We called it Detroit screens back in the day. So he came to the screen real hard with a forearm,

and I was like, I grabbed him and said, hey, rookie, watch the screen. He's like, hey, rookie, watch the elbow. He's like, hey, Beck, watch the screen. You know, I was like,

okay, all right, all right. You know, I was like, okay, all right, all right. He was real feisty even back then. This was before I knew that he was a fan of mine, but he was real feisty even back then, man. So for all of y'all, we talk about that on-court dynamic. Obviously, Kenyon, you were fortunate to have your teammate, Jason Kidd, out there who actually liked passing the ball. But for your guys' experience, what's that dynamic like for you? Are guys giving up the rock? Is there a lot of ball hogging?

How hard is it to actually get the ball? And also, what's the easiest way to try to get buckets? Well, we're playing the Lakers. I mean, not the Lakers. We're playing at the forum where the Lakers played back in the day. That's 83, right? 83 All-Star, the Marvin Gaye National Anthem game, which was off the hook. And so I had flown a young kid, Maltese Williams, from Milwaukee for the All-Star. He was in a fire, went in a coma. He was like a big fan of mine, 12 years old or whatever he was. I came into the hospital room and he kind of came out of the coma. And they were like, Mr. Johnson, it's a miracle. He's been in a coma for like two months. You come in, say some words. So I said said look you know young man you keep getting better i'm gonna take you to the all-star game in la so i took him out to the

all-star game during all-star break now and i want to get mvp it's like i got a game it's a great story you know if i can get mvp i get a trophy to maltese williams he's in the wheelchair it'd be a great story came out there and uh the very first time on the floor it's a two-on-one. I got the ball. Sidney Moncrief, my teammate, is a little bit ahead of me. And so get the ball back. You give it up early. And we've done this hundreds of times before.

I give it to him. He gives it back to me. I throw it down. Jack Sigma's backpedaling on defense, 6'11". And so I'm pushing. Sidney's there. I give it up to Sidney. It's the all-star game. Sidney gets it and just attacks Jack.

He didn't even look at me again. I mean, he wasn't thinking about passing the ball back. Made a real nice move and finish. I think Sidney might have had 26 points in that game. I wound up having a real bad game and just feeling like low as well crap because I wanted to do it and make it special for this kid and all that. But looking back on it, I mean, it was special for the kid anyway, you know. But the kid, I remember he was at my house for the little post-game party.

And I may have told him, like, I'm going to get the MVP for you. And he was like, so what happened to the MVP? I think I went upstairs and cried in my parents' bedroom. I was like, what's wrong with you? I was like, hey, nothing. I was so disappointed. You're for yourself. What was like, hey, nothing. I was so disappointed. Good for yourself. What was that?

Long night that night, too. I threw that in. Long night that night. Back in L.A. I already know. We already know it was. Long night. What was that dynamic like for you on the court playing with these stars?

I mean, from first game, second game on, just in terms of actually getting the ball and being able to score. I'm the PG. So, you know, I remember this to score. I'm the PG. So, you know, I remember this is my year I'm starting. So this is the Vegas. Vegas year. My second year, you know, that was the Detroit Pistons, all four.

And then even in the all-star game, me and Joe Johnson sitting there, and we kind of like, because they subbed all four of them in together to make this type of history. So we all like, this is some bullshit right here. Right? So I don't remember that yet. Yeah. The 06, 07, I'm starting. Right?

So first play of the game, right? Eddie Jordan calling up a play, like, when we get the ball, that's where we're going to run. Right? play of the game, right? Eddie Jordan calling up a play, like, when we get the ball, that's what we're going to run, right? And he draws a play up for a backdoor for Dwayne Wade. You know, you're looking at it like, man, hell no. That ain't the play that I like to run the first

play. The first play is always for me. Like, you're my coach. Got the ball up. We got the tip. I see Dwayne Wade backdoor door just like coach drew it like oh he opened three this is just like i don't know how you drew it coach but this is how he's supposed to be through hey through bang three yes Dwayne Wade was wide open. This would have been the nicest assist, but no, come on, coach. You can't call the play.

Dwayne say anything? For the off? Dwayne say anything to you? Nah, nah, I didn't get the ball the rest of the game, but you can't call it for the off, coach. Right, right. Wait, did you make the... Hell yeah, man, it was a bank though.

I ain't calling nothing. I mean, you good, you good. Who went in? Got me a little three. Got me a little good three in there. Like it's supposed to happen. It came over, like again, you in L.A. You in L. good. Who went in? Got me a little three. Got me a little good three in there. Like it's supposed to happen. It came over, like again, you in LA. You in LA 2004, Jay-Z, Beyonce,

courtside, star-studded event. What was that dynamic like for you and how long did it take you to get comfortable playing in that game? Or did you just come in right away ready to do it? It was easy. Like I said, J. Kidd was there, man, so I wasn't worried, I wasn't.

I'm not, people that's there, I actually don't,'m not not starstruck. Yeah, one pick bro. Okay It started your come here is the last time though. No around I still my fan Star struck I don't bother people when they out But now it was it was dope man having them Having JK at there and of course showing I was all stars-Star, KJ was born, so I had my eldest there. He was special for me. But yeah, nah, me being out there and having J.K. out there, it was like just another game,

to be honest. It was just another game over the weekend. It was the same action. Run, jump, A-B-D. Run, jump, dunk. Yeah. I think I always put too much pressure on myself. I mean, just I wanted to do so well.

And the All-Star Games then, I mean, it was for the great one-on-one players, Doc, George Girvin, I mean, even Larry to a certain extent. I mean, they were the ones that kind of got you. You give it up, you weren't, you know. It wasn't like we're going to move it around and you'll get it back and get it in the mid-range area where you're coming off a screen. You give it up, you know,

you had to get it off the offensive glass pretty much because they were looking to do something. Everybody was aware of the prominence of being the MVP. And I wasn't so, I just wasn't caught up except that one game in LA with the kid who was in the fire, Maltese Williams. But other than that, man, it was almost like a, I won't say a nuisance, but those two or three days off, if I could have done something else, I would have done something else. But I was honored, don't get me wrong. And it meant

more after I stopped being named All-Star teams later in my career. But at that time when I was making them every year for three or four years in a row, it's like, you know, here we go again. Some more pressure. Here we go again. I was watching, I think it was KG and Paul Pierce talking about one year there was an All-star game where 222 everybody had their own clique and everybody like they switched the seats around so they teammates and sitting next to each other So it was like Chris Bosch way and LeBron, right? It was

him Paul Pierce and I don't know if it was Rondo, but I know Ray Allen. I think it was only them. No, it was three. It was three of them. Yeah, it was three. And then you had Orlando.

They had their two. Like, everybody, it was just like cliques. And they sit there just, they not talking to each other. They just all, and I was like, dang, that's rare, though. That's rare when you have, it's multi-team. There's three players, two players from each team, and that's how y'all set. That's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, yeah, we got beef with them. Yeah, I wear this shirt. I said, of course, you know, my locker room is for the kid, but yeah, it's... So what was the wildest thing that you guys saw during the All-Star weekend, on the court, off the court, anything going on?

Listen, the best part, listen, the best part of it is when you get to hear players trying to holler at girls, the game that is being spoken, the shit that is being said. Now, you hear some of the rudest stuff ever. Some stuff I just had to, yeah, I'm that line one day just one day like, you know I can't use it the same way you used it, but I'm gonna use it What do what's like I'm not the prettiest nigga in the world, but I can buy that thing and I'm like Yeah, he ain't pretty but I mean, that's That's a good line I'm gonna use that but. But that's, like, just at the bar, just listening to people talk,

it'd just be like, yo, y'all are wild, bro. Y'all, this is wild. Obviously, 70s, 80s. 70s, 80s. A lot more turnt up than it is now. What was the wildest or craziest thing you saw during the All-Star weekend? I mean, just, I go back to that Barry Bremens, the great imposter in Detroit was probably

the craziest thing. But we weren't into the really wild partying. I mean, everybody kind of did their own thing with their own way. And so it wasn't a lot of collective craziness going on. There was some individual specific craziness going on, but it was more like that back in the 70s and 80s. It came from your experience in L.A. early 2000s. No, it just ain't the shit that you see.

It's the shit that you hear about after the fact. Like, man, you motherfuckers crazy. What happened? What hotel was this? Man, I'm glad I wasn't at that. You're like, man, ain't no way. Yeah, it's them stories. That all-star game. Vegas? Listen. Yeah. You were out there? Yes. I wasn't playing that season. So-hmm. So I'll add them and had nothing to get back to oh I Was getting my knee scope. So I had microfracture surgery in November. I

Was healing and I had to go get my left knee cleaned out of scope right after all start breaking So I I'm in Vegas from Thursday to Sunday. I show up to get surgery, they like, your blood pressure is abnormally high. What's going on? I was like, I ain't changed nothing in my diet, I ain't duh duh duh. I said, well I did just come from Vegas.

They was like, there you go. Yeah, they was like, yeah, we're gonna have to give you a couple bags of IV before we can start this procedure. I'm like, they don't want you to conk out in this bitch. You're back in L.A. for a few days, and now you got to get up out of here. But before we let you go, you celebrate your birthday every year with the annual dunk. You did it last year on Gil's Court here at Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. That started the Gil's Arena. You helped out at Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. That started the Gil's Arena.

You helped out at the Gil's Arena. That started it. Multiple jacket shirts, getting the dunk off. You turned 68 this year. Do you have one more birthday dunk left in you? Yeah, I think so, man. I was out with your baby sister, Shiloh, my daughter, this morning. She got me up at 530 to get some shots up at 24-Hour Fitness.

24-Hour Fitness got this one rim that's a little bit lower. They've got the one a little higher. So that is a low rim. I did a few jumps. And you know how I am. I mean, the first few jumps are nasty. I'm just nowhere near close. So those first few are nasty. So I think I got those out of my system. And so 68, my high school, Crenshaw High School, I'm writing a book with Charlie Rosen about Crenshaw, the Crenshaw culture, and all the great athletes and entertainers and songwriters and musicians and politicians and lawyers and doctors that came through there. You played against Crenshaw, right? I played against him. He was on the bench. Okay.

He got the watch of greatness. I'm talking to you about that. But the point is, I may go back to Crenshaw. Crenshaw was opened in 1968. I just turned 68. A little bit of synergy there. So I think I may go back to Crenshaw. I got to check and see with my best friend, Ed Waters.

His mom is Maxine Waters. She's been coaching there. I played with him in high school. He's coaching there for the last 20 years or so. So I got to make sure that we can, you know. As we've discussed, the rims are Crenshaw, standard rim, 10 feet. Crenshaw notorious for having 10.2 and a 10.3 rim. The rim is not 10. It is above 10 feet.

Yeah. It's better than Sierra Canyon. Sierra Canyon put them on the 9.5. Do they? That's where I need to go to get my... We'll be going to Syracuse. Now what you do is when they had a little workouts, when they do like a little pre-draft,

when they do pre-draft workouts, they lower that one side. Do they? And everybody be dunking everybody's head over the rim. Right, right, right, right. Like, come on, y'all. We can see it. But Chris, y'all for years had the one rim about nine, ten,

and the other one about ten, three. So second half, those guys that were just dunking so easily, they'd get hung. For years had the one rim about nine ten and the other one about ten three Second half those those guys that were just dunking so easily they get hung. Yeah, what the hell's going on? So I'm gonna do it man I'm gonna do it. I've been working out faith in you. I will be there filming it. Yeah, as always I'll never let stardom get to my head Maybe started like what you're 55. I want to say Griffin's jumping over the Kia I think I jumped over like a matchbook with BD. Yeah, we're beating through him the love. Yeah Yeah, it was easy then it was really easy then at 55. How old are you? 46 so Duncan really easy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got me 15 years. Yeah, yeah Man, but but now 68 whoo

Any major surgeries, huh? You have any major surgeries? I had a hip replacement July 25th of last year. Now, the guy that did it, Don Sanders out of UCLA I went to college with. Wait, when did you get that hip surgery? July 25th. But he told me, this was July 25th, he told me that once six months or so passes by that he put enough padding and stuff in there that I should be able to do everything I could do before it flared up. It actually flared up on my birthday when I dunked on this court out here.

You remember, it took about 20 times before I got it done. And I had the bad hip then. It was flaring up then. So I had hip replacement July 25th. And he put a bunch of stuff in there that he says is going to help me with it. And he sent me some video of some mixed martial artists in their 60s who were doing double kicks

and ballerinas doing hops and leaps and all that and just showing me kind of what's possible at 60 with the hip replacement. So we'll see. We'll see. I've been working out, man, six days a week. We were optimistic. Do not waste my time if I come pull up.

Marcus Johnson, we appreciate you pulling up to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Thank you so much. I'm going to my car. Get my other gun. Shoot everybody's ass. So yeah, if you want to hop on, we still have more show to do.

We do? A little bit more, Gil. We got to get our money's worth. Thank you so much for coming through our holiday. Yes, sir. Marcus Johnson, ladies and gentlemen. get our money for it. Thank you so much for coming through our holiday. You did a great job. Marcus Johnson, ladies and gentlemen. Do not hit the jumbotron.

He does not have umbrella policy. You ain't got no insurance at this house. So let's talk, we got one more thing to cover quickly, just Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum rides a superstar in the NBA. Wasn't an easy one. His dad, Justin, St. Louis Hoops legend, currently coaching the Illawarra Hawks in the

NBL. Poured a lot into making sure that Jason lived up to his full potential as a Hooper. So during a recent interview with Graham Bessinger, Tatum talked about the difficulty of having a father that is a coach and balancing that father-coach relationship with that father son relationship in his words that you actually hated having your dad as coach earlier in life why because it kind of put a strain on our relationship i feel like i missed out on like a father son relationship like me and my dad only ever went to games or practice and to get haircuts. Like, we didn't go to amusement parks.

We didn't go to picnics or fishing or, like, really have father-son talks because it was just all basketball. It was extremely tough on me. Like, cuss me out in front of everybody, you know, embarrassed me, humiliated me, throw the ball at me, just because he wanted, in his eyes, he wanted me to be the toughest, he wanted me to be the best, and that was his way of, like, if he made me upset, I would play better. In a sense, I did, right? I would

get so upset, I would get so angry, that I would play better. In a sense, I did. I would get so upset, I would get so angry that I would play better. So, Kaden, you have a son in the league, Gil. You have a few kids that will be there soon. How hard is it balancing the relationship between being a coach, mentor on the basketball side, and being a dad? It's funny. It's been easier for me because my son didn't start off as a basketball player. He started off as a soccer player, right? And then entered basketball and wasn't that good, right? So, you know, just watching other parents put so much pressure on the idea of seven, eight-year-olds being NBA players,

it kind of, that kind of gave me the path to go, right? For the most part, it was just being a fan. And then, you know, once he got good enough to say, yo, you want to train, you know, training him and like me training him, I'm hard, right? When I train, it's like, this is how we're going to train if you want to be a certain type of player. Once he plays, that's how you play the game. You're not going to hear from me, right? There's nothing. So you don't need to look at me and do all that, right? So, you know, it's, I'm a father when you're playing, I'm the coach when we're training, right? And that's how I separated the two. So I've coached them. I've coached, like, I coached them for a couple weekends. It was fine because it's a couple weekends.

Yeah, because, you know, me, it's, I just have everybody shoot the fucking ball, right? You know what I mean? Just get up and down. We're going to press full court and everybody shoot. So, you know, with that idea of everybody getting shooting, there's really no, you know, there ain't no, like, yo. So I don't really have to yell at him, you know, with that idea of everybody getting shooting, there's really no, you know, there ain't no like, yo. So I don't really have to yell at him, you know, in a sense of everybody's

getting the same treatment. And I want everybody to shoot. You ain't shooting the ball, get the fuck out of the game. Right. That's how I was coaching. But for the most part is, you know, our relationship is solid because it's once we done training, then it's father, son. Okay. And, Kane, you've talked about, you know, not having a dad in your life, but, you know, taking on that role with KJ, seeing KJ get to the NBA, see his dream fulfilled. So how hard was that relationship from a basketball perspective

versus just being a parent? No, mine was easy. I never trained KJ because I know me. No, I just, like, I learned early. Like, we were at the park, and KJ, because the way his brain works, he's ambidextrous. Like, on the court, he shoots right at everything else left. So he used to shoot with both hands.

So when he was starting to take it seriously, I think he might have been 12. We're at the park. I'm telling him, telling this you got to start She got to pick a hand, bro. Like you can't be serious about basketball shoe with both hands, right? Just it's going in but it looked fucking crazy. Yeah, so when I'm talking to him to that and he walks off And I got the ball in my hand and I caught myself Right

then this is younger me. This is... And I caught myself. And I was like, nah, this is going to turn him... This is horrible. So, hey, man, I'm talking to you, bro. When I'm talking, don't you ever walk off. So it went from me about to hit him in the back of the head with the ball to me having a conversation with him.

And I was like, yeah, like I can go in the gym and watch him work out and I can, while somebody's doing what they do, if I see things and I know, I'm always going to help him to get better. So that's what it was for me. Finding the people that do what they do and me critiquing as, like I'm not going

to sit in the gym and watch him do a drill and do some shit that I know is not going to be effective. Man, we're not going to do that, bro. So I was more of that. As he got older and then, I'm saying he played back to back state champions, I hear we know that, but those years it was more more before that it was more body language stuff I'm hard on you about your body language when he was in the ninth tenth grade Body language like that's you know who but I'm more I was born to that. I was on his ass about that

Junior senior year it was more about just the game Junior year me just point everything because I saw he could take it. Whether it was good or bad. If I saw some shit that I needed to chew him out about, I did it. But most of the time, it was me in public. I'm his biggest cheerleader. Nobody ever see

me cut at the games. I'm like, hey, yo, man, what you? But nothing to me attacking him in the public eye. Save that for when we get in the car. If I have something negative to say to him, this, that, and the other you? But nothing to me attacking him in the public eye. Save that for when we get in the car. If I have something negative to say to him, this, that, and the other. I'm going to save that for our private time. But to Jason Tatum's point, I get it.

And when he said it, I was like, damn, was I? But no, I had moments before KJ started playing and those intimate times, amusement parks and those things, right? So when he said it, I'm like, damn, did I only... But it's tough. But, see, the difference is he's the coach. Yeah. So now his relationship is a little different because, and this is the problem with father-son relationship.

Father-daughter sports. When you're coaching your own kid, what you end up doing is this. You're ruining your relationship with the kid because you're trying to prove to the other players that there's no favoritism. So what ends up happening is everything you want to say to the other kids that there's no favoritism. So what ends up happening is everything you want to say to the other kids, you don't, and you just throw it all on yours because you think you can mend it when you get home and you can buy my ice cream. So what ends up happening is you treat your son worse than everybody else and that child doesn't understand that. So at all. Right? So you want to not be a favoritism type of coach, but you are.

You're favoring the other players and giving all your child the brutal, what's the name, when technically it should be the opposite. You should really technically be like LeVar Ball, where motherfucker, I'm here. I'm going to big up my kid. I'm going to big up my kid. Really, I don't give a fuck about yours. That's really how you really want to do it because the other way you're creating this... You know, that's some of the realest shit you've ever said. I know you're coaching your daughter right now. Oh, yeah.

And it's a little bit different. I'm coaching my son right now. Like, baseball, Josiah, fine. I don't really know shit about baseball. Other coach, whatever. Just make sure you got your stance. But to your point, I feel like as I take a step back, I can't yell at these other kids.

That's my logic. I can't yell at them. I can yell at you because fucking, you know. So you just keep like, it could be a loose ball in your son over here. And you be like, why can't you just go get it? Like, what? I'm not even in the game yet. I can't yell at that bad sorry motherfucker right there.

And that's what ends up happening. Yeah, I got to yell the instructions to him that I want and hope that the game yet. I can't yell at that bad, sorry motherfucker right there. And that's what ends up happening. Yeah, I can't. I got to yell the instructions to him that I want and hope that the other kid here, I know the parents are watching. Yeah, that's why I would not like. For one, I know I can't coach. I couldn't have coached. Like, just the younger me when KJ was younger and Cameron was younger. Like, no, I couldn't have coached them.

Them weren't nobody else's kids. Like, it wouldn't have wented them. Them weren't nobody else's kids. No, it wouldn't have went over well. Like, at all. Zero understanding. Zero patience. No, so I have girls, too. So, you know, as easy as my boys could, I have girls.

And when they're both working, and that'd be the problem, if I'm working the girls out, the boys can't be there. The reason is the boys are just going to go. And then the girls are going to take a couple minutes. And I'd be like problem if I'm working the girls out the boys can't be there the reason is the boys are just gonna go and then the girls gonna take a couple minutes and I'd be like yo did y'all wake up to do this because if y'all woke up to say your stomach y'all gonna stay the fuck home right y'all could have stayed home sit on the side patty cake whatever you want but we trying to work here like we trying to get 500 600 shots so what ends up happening is when they're working the girl the boys eat the boys are out working and I'm gonna judge

This is hoop Hoopers your stomach hurt every time we work out listen. No one cares. Okay, your opponent don't care So why should I and that be that so but when the boys not there is like alright, I I got We got four hours to take 100 shots cool Okay, you sent me hurting it. You need another water break. Okay. I got professional water Water break drinkers. Okay. Nobody want to be no Hooper. So my girls don't like like working out Because I don't want to hear water I've never seen stuff curry drink water while he was playing the game

Right. So if you want to drink water, go sit on the bench. Listen, when you're on that bench, you got all the water you want to drink at your disposal. Oh, so Steph, so now he a camel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I be sitting there like, bro, like, I can't. I got to have patience with the girls. Okay, you know what I'm talking about. When you look at Tatum and where he's been able to get

consistent top five player in the league, it seems like that methodology worked out. You got to be hard. I think that's what's been lost a lot now with this generation is the coaching. The difference between bullying and coaching. Coaches are tough. They want the best out of you.

At times, you're going to feel bad, but now you're mentally tough enough that you can play at the highest level. I don't know their relationship now. I would love to know their relationship now. I hope it's better than that, because he said it was tough on him. So I would love to know their relationship now, and hopefully it's thriving in the right direction, man.

Yeah, it's... Because you... Let me cut you off. It's... I hoped. I didn't make it. Let me cut you off. I hoped I didn't make it. I'm going to live vicariously through my son, and I'm going to put all this shit on his plate.

And to add on what you said, I can't yell at them, so I'm going to put it on you. And now you put all the pressure on him to make it. And all of that. It's just too much for a child. Too, too, too, too much. I didn't make it. You got to make it. I think, you know, I think once he gets older, like I think like Jason understanding now,

now that he has a child, he understands now. You know, the grandfather's the better father, and he gets to be a better father because you made it. Mm-hmm. Right? So all the shit that I put you through, you there. You there. Everything you about to... You there.

You took it you there and you know sometimes as as the children of that you have to sit back and say The only way I would have would have the only reason I'm here is because of how it was That's good right now. So, you know the relationship then probably wasn't father son then Right. It was more, you know, drill sergeant. Now I get to have that relationship as father-son. And I ain't going to do it that way. Yeah, you know what I mean?

I get to have father-son with me. Like, now we can go fishing. You know, now we can do all that. This is when you do it, the golfing and all that, because then there was a goal in mind, and I was looking for a father, but I had a coach. Now I don't need you as a coach, now I can need you as a father. So you have time. That's why when I see Steph, when we went to go see Steph up in Baltimore and him

going, him and his dad is there, him and his dad is having a shooting contest against each other. Like, you get to see the father-son now, you know, as adults. And, you know, they golfing with each other and all that stuff. And it's kind of like, okay. Yeah. That's cool. That's for us.

Definitely. So stop yelling at your son, Josiah. That's what I took away from this conversation. I don't be yelling, but instructing. Yeah, no, I'm that way with my daughter. No, no, like, she's nine. She just started playing basketball, right? And, but I see her enthusiasm about it.

So with her enthusiasm, I probably, my expectations were a little too premature, you know what I'm saying? From where her skill set is. So I have to dial myself back. I'm like, okay, she just fucking started playing. She's already trying to shoot threes and stuff at nine from the top of the key.

So I'm like, okay. I let her do her, but I'm still... You know, but we talked about this. You walk into that gym and you coaching the team versus how the other coaches look at you, you know what I'm saying?

They feel like they got a win on Kenyon. Of course. As opposed to the team. Absolutely. But yeah. It's part of the idea, oh, they ain't beating the girls. They want to beat me. Yeah, but I think about Kobe and that squad.

So if Kobe and that squad could get smacked up and then come back and win by 100 the next year, that's kind of always in the back of my head. Oh, yeah. I'm not wearing no pants. We're just taking mental notes right now. The enthusiasm that she is showing. She's 105-year-old, so my son, he's five. He about to be six.

But, yeah, the oldest kids didn't play at this age. So K.J. did. K.J. had a ball out the womb. So every time you saw him around the house, when he could walk, he had a ball. Yeah. So, but, no, it's different, like Gil said, to little girls. You got to have white gloves.

You got to own your pair of white gloves if you're going to deal with your daughter in sports. So it's this thing I hear. I be seeing this dad and his daughter. She's a softball player. You ever seen this? Uh-uh. Oh, listen, yo. They didn't build some little pitching thing.

She played softball. I don't know if it's old or if it's newer, but he be on her ass. Oh, my God. Imagine you as back there catching for your daughter in every pitch. She a little bit this way. Oh, so you don't fucking come to work today? Oh, so I should just go do something else. I can go do lawn today. He's just everything is

Clip at the time. Thank you. Yeah, I see that in Little League now I'm like chill out like you talked about sometimes parents gotta look in the mirror like as tall as you are That's what your kids like how you look is what your kids are gonna look like when they get to your age Yeah, enjoy these times. You know that enjoy these times. Enjoy these times, god damn it. I know he's 5'6 in the 6th grade, but god damn it, that's it. He's going to be 5'6. He's going to be 5'8.

He might grow 2-3 more. I know he's a power 4 today, but he's going to have to be a point guard later. So, let's talk a little bit about these Clippers. According to reports, the league is fined P.J. Tucker $75,000 for making a public trade request ahead of the NBA trade deadline. Shams has the report.

As we mentioned earlier in the show and yesterday, P.J. Tucker, Bones Highland were not allowed, they were sent home from the Clippers road trip against the Warriors to reset their mindset. I still do not know what that means. How do you tell a grown man you got to reset their mindset. I still do not know what that means. How do you tell a grown man how you got to reset your mindset? Like, full reset, get what he can make.

Come on, NBA. Come on, dog. There's just certain people that they can request whatever they want. It really don't matter because nobody's like, oh, he want to trade? Let me go get him. Like, you just taking money. Killian Hayes comes to mind as well. He requested a trade before the deadline. Bro, you average one. trade let me go get him like yeah you just taking money killian hayes comes to mind as well he

requested a trade before the deadline bro you average you average one nobody just you can request all you want so do you think pj will accept his role and just ride out as we mentioned yesterday he has 11.5 million dollar player option. Except or not, it really don't matter. Right? You're my bad. You ain't getting in the game. Which I did. Keep my shoes clean, give me my money. We ain't getting in the game.

Shit. We got a better chance of getting in the game over there. That's true. Damn, nigga don't play. You ain't get fined because I asked to leave? Damn. Listen, this is just some of the things just, PJ Tucker said, don't even worry about it.

So how did they think this Bones Highland thing was going to end up? Hey, really. Let's be honest. They probably thought, just like they think everything, that you're going to bench me and then I'm just going to sit here and I'm going to be happy and I'm gonna be happy. Woo! Okay coach, good job coach. Yeah. Woo! Hooray! Like no.

So, wasn't really playing in Denver the way he thought he should have, right? So that could have been probably some dis... probably disgruntled, right? In the time in Denver. Where did he go after that? Orlando? No, Clippers. Clippers, yep. Clippers.

Second team. So he's just been... Second team. So it's just been Denver and Clippers? Three years. That's the only two teams you've been on? Three years. Yeah, because I was with the Nuggets staff Summer League in Vegas. He was a rookie.

Okay. And how was he? Played hard. Good kid. Like from what I could soft-spoken, care about his little music thing and went to hoop, been through some stuff in his life. And every time you done seen him he plays what like... Plays hard. There must be something else then. He's not a pass first guy.

He's aggressive offensively. So a good six man. But then you had him and Norman Powell out there together. It's only one ball. So they picked Norman Powell over him. And basically... The game is the game, as they say. And trade his ass for the Lakers.

I mean, the Lakers, we can use the six man that's aggressive. Just buy him out. He's definitely aggressive. He is definitely... And that's... If you know a guy you don't plan... You came out publicly and said, we don't plan on playing him, right? He's out of the rotation is what we read and the reports are.

You know this. You don't do everything in your power to find him somewhere to be. Like trading. No trades out there from 29 other teams that was for a guy who you're not going to play. Not going to play. So you can't take no deal. from 29 other teams that was, forgot who you not going to play. Not going to play. So you can't take no deal. Whenever the second round pick is,

the two second round picks, I saw this meme, somebody made a trade and they put the kids on there. They're like, these trades, the kids are in the fifth and sixth grade right now when the trades are irrelevant. So you can't get none of them for...

You could, even with his contract, you don't want them, buy him out. Buy him out, let somebody... Let somebody else take him. Right, that's why I said it's like, it seems like it's a little selfish of like,

you don't want to use him. You got to pay him anyway. Buy him out. Most likely he going to, it's going to be cheaper if you buy him out because he might take a deal to go somewhere else. Definitely take a deal to go out. I'm pretty sure like if I'm him,

you owe me what, how much a million you have? I take 500, buy me out so I can go to the Lakers, right? I might not be able to play here, but I know damn sure they need scoring off the bench, right? All they have is defense off the bench. That's why they're trying to put D'Angelo on the bench. So they need someone to come off the bench that can just relieve pressure. I can do that, so just buy me out. That would have been my...

Shit, yeah. We can see, because when you buy me out, I can actually now pick, hey, y'all need someone that has my skill set, need someone that's aggressive, that can change the tempo, right? I want to play, I work hard, boom, boom, boom. You can do that on a buyout, so it's like...

Yeah, I just, yeah, that shit baffles me all the time, man. You publicly say that you're not going to play me. I got a problem with it. I say something, and I continually say something, and you fucking send me home? Now the narrative around the league is that I'm the fucking problem because I got sent home from a fucking game or a road trip or I

Got suspended whatever the narrative is that people want to run with now. That's what is out there When you had no intentions on playing the guy so Yeah, somebody said I got they got cam and in V. Exactly why I would be wanting to come over there. Because that's who you guys have. And, you know, like, he can be that Jordan Poole type. You need, like, listen, when you're talking about the playoffs and you're just talking about getting buckets,

you need a guy who can come up there and just change the tempo with the style that he plays. That was Ginobili. That was, you know... Jamal Crawford. Jamal Crawford. Jamal Crawford. Shit, even for Denver, that was Bruce Brown

and that other Brown. What's his... Bruce Brown and... When they won it. No, what was his name? Brown, yeah. The white ball Brown. Yeah, Brown.

Christian Brown, right? Like, when he come in the game and he's just so aggressive on the fast break, it changes the game because you're not scouted that. You didn't scout that. You wasn't planning for it. So you do need that. So I don't understand as organizations, if you're not going to use a guy, if you know you're not going to use him,

you know it's cheaper. It's cheaper for your organization to buy him out. I'm sorry, I know you guys don't realize that, but you always want to buy out big contracts. Little contracts will buy out too if they know they can go somewhere else. So I'm pretty sure if you go to Bones right now or PJ right now and you talk buyout, I guarantee you that they will consider leaving and go somewhere else, which saves you money.

Come on, think. Who the fuck thinks for y'all if I'm PJ Yeah, buying out shit. I'm I need my little crazy. You're my 11.5 next year crazy. Yeah You're not taking that full bread at 38 years old PJ I don't know because I get because no because this is the reason let's say he's over 20 22 he's old, what, 22? He's old 22. You say, all right, give me 17. And then remember the 17 is for two years.

They gave me the money right now. Okay. Right? Which they might not, they gave me the money right now, then I can go and... Well, let's be honest. Y'all talked about it. I was ill yesterday, but I got the gist of what was... From the group chat, I got the gist of what was, from the group chat, I got the gist of

what, right? What of the other 29 teams in NBA, what other team can use P.J. Tucker's services? Next year. Not this year, next year. As a starter, as a backup? Yes. Because he's one of those guys that if he's not starting, you don't want to bring him off the bench.

Like, I'm not bringing him off the bench. And I like, that's my guy. I like PJ's solid all men, but we here to talk sports and be honest. Who? I mean, the only people that I can use would probably be what, Bucks? Milwaukee. Milwaukee. Then that's this year.

Mm-hmm. Because they're going to make moves over the summer. Mm-hmm. Right? So for P.J., it's a tough spot. For Bones, not so much. Mm-hmm. So it's, for PJ it's a tough spot. For Bones, not so much. Make it 11 and a half, I want my bread from PJ.

Unless I got some guarantee, a guaranteed team over here that say, you get released at 1, you own, at 2 o'clock you part of a, if it ain't no guarantee like that, then I'm not taking a buyout on nothing at 38. And I had a hard time getting in the door. I've been in the door and I've made a great career of it and I need all mine. If I'm Bones, yeah, there's a need for Bones around

the NBA. Definitely buyout. He's just on the team where it's all vets. Right? You know, when you're talking about Bowen, you're talking about teams

like Houston. Not even Houston. You're talking about Orlando. Orlando is already backstocked with guards like that. But that's what I'm saying. There's teams where he can,

that's what I'm saying, even with the Lakers, he can teams where he can, that's what I'm saying, even with the Lakers, he can get 15 minutes out of that group. 15 minutes, go in there and get like seven, eight shots. You hit three, four, five of them, you're going to keep playing a little bit more and relieve some pressure? Yeah, of course. Oh, he's going to be aggressive.

One thing about him, he is aggressive. And you can see when D'Angelo was aggressive, we good. So you, we need that. What else we need is to go to mostly fans because it is Thursday. We have some things we need to get to, All-Star weekend. Shout out to everybody who'll be out there turning up in Indianapolis.

You going to Indianapolis? Nah. I was on the fence. I was thinking about pulling up, but I'm going to mess with layover city. Not enough direct flags out of LA. And I got t-ball this weekend. So we got a video question from underdog fantasy user Uncle Jew. That's a chat.

Uncle Jew. A chat question. Uncle Drew or Uncle Jew? Oh, so chat question from underdog user Uncle Ju. Do you think the best 24 players in the league should be All-Stars rather than East versus West? Should the All-Star game

be the top 24 players in the league regardless of conference or should they still do East? Well, I mean, even if it's East versus West, I like the top 24 anyway. Let's just do top 24. Let's let's start with the top 24 period no position

Just the best players in the league like it's like when you look back in the day man. You didn't have You didn't have motherfuckers average and Sam To rebound so you didn't had it in all so again you had stars like had stars. When you look at Dr. J, Magic Johnson, you had star players. I mean, you had, what was it, Chambers? Tom Chambers. Yeah, Tom Chambers, but you look at his stats, okay, cool, right?

You know what I mean? You're like, who the fuck is this? Then you got to look and say, okay, he's an all-star. But for the most part, it was stars, all stars. Now it's third options on good teams. Like that is not an all, you're a third fucking option. How are you in front of a number one option? How are you in front of a dude who's carrying his team?

I don't give a fuck if they got 10 wins. His job is fucking harder than yours. Right, no matter what you do, goddammit, you don't have no responsibility as a third option. This dude, no matter if he's winning, he has to take on the other team by himself if he doesn't have no help. That is the all-star.

You're not an all-star because your record is fucking good. That's some shit they done added in. That's like participation trophies now. And they're making all-stars just these random-ass dudes for no damn reason that don't have no impact on the game. I agree. Get into the top 24,

then we can talk about the rest of the shit. Okay. I agree. That's fair. That's a fair assessment. Well, that's a fair. That's a fair assessment. Well, that's a good place to finish up this show. Shout out to Marcus Johnson for pulling up to Gil's Arena. Appreciate you, Gil. Appreciate you, Canyon. Everybody enjoy your all-star weekend.

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