Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Throws A 500,000 Subscriber Party!!!

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

Gil's Arena Throws A 500,000 Subscriber Party and Reacts To Kevin Durant & Damian Lillard Facing Off With Their Former Teams as Gilbert Arenas and The Gil's Arena Crew break down KD returning to the Brooklyn Nets and leading his Phoenix Suns to victory & Damian Lillard's much anticipated 1st game back in Portland, where he and Giannis dropped another game in the Doc Rivers era that potentially spiraled the Milwaukee Bucks into their first slump of the season. They also address Rasheed Wallace's CONTROVERSIAL take on Michael Jordan's defensive abilities, and Jason Kidd placing Luka Doncic in the same air as NBA legends like Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant. THANK YOU FOR HELPING US REACH 500k SUBSCRIBERS BY SUBSCRIBING TODAY!! Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: / @gilsarena APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 CHAPTERS: Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:51 What Are You Looking Forward To This Black History Month 0:04:16 Gil's Arena Hits 500k Subscribers!!!!!! 0:07:20 Gil's Craziest Fan Interaction 0:12:59 Kyrie Irving is A Megastar 0:25:58 Another Crazy Gil Fan Interaction 0:28:14 Sabrina vs Steph 3 Point Shootout 0:30:55 NBA Draft Expands to 2 Nights 0:44:08 Damian Lillard's Return To Portland 1:03:55 Is The Bucks Slump Concerning? 1:11:39 The Biggest "What If" in NBA History 1:27:55 Sheed Says MJ isn't a Good Defender?!?! 1:42:03 Does 80s Defense Get Inflated by Mid Offense? 1:53:53 Gil Names The Best Defenders He Faced In The NBA 2:05:09 Jason Kidd Put Luka In The Atmosphere of MJ 2:11:25 MostlyFans 2:48:10 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We talking about flashing lights, baby. Flashing lights everywhere. They just been saying shit about me and they didn't even fucking know me. This is my story. This is what I was doing with what nobody knew. Y'all don't know what goes on in practice

or the locker room. Agency Bros. Change it again. Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy World. Woo! Lots of energy today. We're very energetic. It is the start of Black History Month. We also have some breaking news coming very, very shortly.

That we are happy about, not surprised. What's up, guy? How you doing? What you got? You about to get it in? What's going on? Hey, listen, listen, listen. About to give out 10K to Robby and everybody.

I'm just playing. Give it right back. Give it back. I heard y'all bring cash. I'm just playing. This is Gil Zerino presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. What's up?

We got Lexi Brown back on the couch. Woo-hoo! Woo-woo! Missed y'all. And we got Brandon Jennings and Freedom! Freedom came back. Been gone for a minute. So it is obviously the start of Black History Month,

as we talked about yesterday on the show. Only positive energy, Lexi, we got you here. I got the friendship bracelet Rocking and ready to gossy nobody else were their friendship. Okay, I don't understand the book you get it. Mine's by my bed Okay, I don't know So happy Black History Month to all who celebrate and if you don't celebrate Black History Month There's a hundred and ten percent chance that you are not shit. So go go around the couch real quick Yeah, what are you looking forward to this Black History Month? I already know% chance that you are not shit. So go around the couch real quick. Gil, what are you looking forward to this Black History Month? I already know your feelings about the month, but...

We got All-Star Weekend, we got Super Bowl. Am I going to get anything on Valentine's besides the normal things we get every goddamn Valentine's? Just dress it up and say, hey, happy Valentine's. I want a gift. I want a gift. Yeah, I want a gift. We want gifts! Girl, you still haven't gotten a birthday gift from your kids ever?

Hell no. I know once it is, it'll give me $5, but I never got that. Lexi, what are you looking forward to this Black History Month? Um, I get to go play in my athletes unlimited League this month Okay, turn up again. Okay February 29th we start playing but I go February 18th we scrimmage and stuff So first time playing since July, so I'm excited Lexi is back.

I'm back. I'm healthy. Yes, I'm ready. Brandon, we coming. We showing up. You don't have to. What are you looking forward to this Black History Month? I think every day is Black History Month,

or Black Excellence. Oh, you one of those? I mean, yeah, for everything that I've been through in my life, you know, so I'll just wait till this month to celebrate, you know, black history. I think everything that we've done in our lives, you know, starting this podcast, it's black excellence, things like after basketball, who we can become. So every day is black excellence for me. So that's my piece on it Can I ask a question for all the people out there like if you if you a black owner

Right. Mm-hmm me if y'all black on this right? Yeah black history month. Y'all should be like y'all should be like half-off 75% for the black culture. Uh-huh, they ain't going to do that shit. Maybe 25% off. Black action. Like, what are we getting, Black History Month, besides we get to say it's Black History Month? I want discounts. No sales tax. Uh-huh.

No sales tax. Where's the fire sales? Oh, yeah. All black companies about to get hit up this month. Yeah. We need another. Go ahead, throw some 50% off in there. We need stimulus checks.

I mean, that's why we're like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. That's why it's called Black Friday. Yeah, we need a no hit those on 50% Austin in we need That's why it's called Black Friday Like fire should be black in history. Yeah every Friday Yeah, we need stimulus shot cyber black shit. Yeah When he stimulus some black loans do right won't us some black loans. Free do-right. Come on, give us black loans. Do something. Bring the PPPs back.

Yeah. There you go. Bring the PPPs back. We know how to use those. Oh, my God. Yeah. Lambo's everywhere. We got some breaking news for everybody who's looking for some PPP long deals giving you interest-free PPP loans because the gills arena YouTube channel has hit It's starting off black history, baby.

They said we couldn't do it. Black excellence right there. My black discount. Black discount for the black community. Said we couldn't do it. Oh, we got mimosas. Oh, cheers. I was already damn near done.

Negrosis. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Like gentlemen, like women. Let's go. No, I'm going to just finish mine. Oh, damn, this is gross.

Yeah, no, that's real liquor. We got some necrosis. He thought he had orange juice. As you guys know, in order to be an effective host,

I do not turn up during shows. It's always just fake water, but I want to feel a part of the group. Club soda. I'll admit it. I'll admit it on Black History Month.

I'll come and clean. He thought it was water. Ooh, shit, this is real. This ain't mine. But in addition to getting those 500,000 subscribers, as you all know, Gil made a promise back in December. Some of y'all are lazy, didn't get us to our goal in December, but it is February 1st, the start of Black History Month. So in honor of this momentous occasion, Gil is giving $10,000 out throughout the entire show. We making it.

We making it right up here. We making it right up here. He's never been to the strip club because obviously he doesn't know that you need to throw it just a little bit here and there. You can't give him all your money. I'm a full-time square. Okay, yeah, yeah. A full-time square.

Your wife should be looking at this like, he's never been to the strip club. No idea. He never had the chicken wing. Yeah, because you don't throw it all at one. You give him a little couple here and there. They got to work for the whole $100 you got. Facts. You got to.

When I go to Atlanta, I get the Magic City Wings post made it. Oh, they sent me the auxiliary wings though They said I had to shoot the whole day, okay They said I had to shoot me to protect your image. But uh, let's let's give us a break you Do you want to pick our first two winners? We're giving 20 Lucky people in the chat five hundred dollars apiece. So we'll get it started with our first two. Okay There's one that says YouTube troll not fair magical fig Magical, right? I can spell it please so our producers Oh Mythical okay go hmm. Okay. She got it

Then I'm gonna scroll up and say I Was gonna say Duke, but I don't like Duke. I'm sorry. Change your names right now. Bear Down. Bear Down, Square Down. The bread is getting distributed.

Terenzo. What's the cash up? Fill it. Huh? IT. IT. Okay. Like I said, we're giving away bread all show.

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We ain't got as many haters as many haters a lot of evil spirits anymore We rebuke you but we still gonna eat some bread in the name of Jesus in the name of Jesus But here's what's cracking in the arena today Damian Lillard made his return to Portland and the Bucks took an L but should dames recent shooting slumps be concerning We're also gonna talk about Katie coming back to this Brooklyn as well. Rasheed Wallace said MJ wasn't all that good on defense, but is she tripping or spitting? I love that they got the AI cross.

All the pictures. And Jason Kidd thinks Luke is already better than Dirk and in the atmosphere of MJ, Kobe, and LeBron, but is that facts or cap? Before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. Go ahead and download the Kobe and LeBron, but is that fax or cap? Before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by

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$10,000 giveaway today to celebrate our 500,000 subscribers you'll be watching the show live on youtube but if not understandable we got audio versions available on apple spotify wherever you get your podcast from all right g guess so we're gonna start this one With an interesting story involving yourself that somebody posted on Twitter recently, so Said I met Gil at the Foot Locker in Topanga Bumped into him and said oh shit your age is zero and as that happened to fight broke out on the other side of the store And he shook my hand and said, I got to fucking go. He then left the whole mall.

You didn't leave Foot Locker, girl. They said you left the whole mall. Yeah, that sounds, yeah. Wait, they be fighting at the Bangor Mall? Hell yeah. Okay, wait. I have a question. So, you all know I'm not from here.

So, I was with a group of friends a few days ago, and I was like, yeah, I might like permanently move out to LA. I really like Woodland Hills. And he was like, no, no. No. Don't live out here. There's gangs out and stuff in Woodland Hills. Gangs? That's what he said to me. We're gang. We do live rough.

We do live rough. Just the Coyotes is the gang. The Coyotes is the gang. That's about it. Them damn C ringer. That's not a that's not a good area The worst I mean, I'm not the worst person but the only danger that we have in woolen heels is probably Chris Brown If anything pops off, police, helicopters, they go into one house in Woodland Hills. That's it.

Right? The only menace outside of that in the Valley was Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber was the probably white. Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber was not a tool. Now, when it came to celebrities, the only only person has been banned from here is Justin or that Say you're talking to me still over here to young. See maybe he bought probably thought with young Doug and like truly humble under God

When she's keeping it moved over here Nah, nice cool over here What happens is the LA they come here to try to get free free shit Now we don't think they like the doors over there. Didn't come take free shit go back home. Take free shit Yes, yeah, you will get your boxes stolen. That's that you can come box though, but that ain't from the wooden hills community I was like Not the east side of Woodland Hills. That's another story Now if you go toward behind the trailer Joe Hollywood, you're gonna get that younger crowd Hollywood, you know, Minox, North Hollywood

Oh, yeah, that's where you don't want to go in studio CD. I swear everybody like all the That's where I was at having this conversation like near see that's where it's bad like here It's trying to set you up. They're about to build a Rams stadium here. Yeah. Oh, really? The Rams private facility. The mall, they just got the movie theater, everything.

It's crackin' over here. It's nice here. I'm like, okay. It's the uppity theater too, the dine-in. Thanks for your input, but I'm still gonna live out here. Yeah. Like Brandon said, gang of coyotes out here. That's like- That's it.

That's it. About one in the morning, we're like, ooh! That's it. That's about it. That's all you hear. Like, hey, somebody's all gone. Somebody That's it. That's about it. That's all you're hearing. Like, yeah, somebody's there. Somebody's there. I'm like, is it ghosts?

Oh, no, it's just some coyotes again. When they had, you know, when they was having the Black Lives Matter, like, what is that called? The march? The march? When they having the protest? Mm-hmm. Right?

There was no police. Let's just say that. Right? There was no police out here doing nothing, right? It was just a bunch of white kids protesting. Protesting. I mean, it was no police. Let's just say that. There was no police out here doing nothing, right? It was just a bunch of white kids protesting. Protesting. I mean, it wasn't really black. It was like a sprinkle.

COVID, nothing. COVID, we was chilling. Yeah, COVID. Everybody out here. Everybody fucking with us. The whole little community. We up in the hills. Just to let you know, there was no police doing nothing here.

Now, you will see the occasional Trump rally as we get closer to election day. Those moments just turn up. Yeah, by the tap in the Ralphs, it goes down. Oh yeah, it goes down. It goes down, right? I got a couple of neighbors. Yeah, that liquor store over there, right on the corner. That liquor store, little stadium over there.

That's a good place. I got a neighbor that'll put it in the front yard and then pull it out. It's like he put it only at night when nobody can see it. Showing his support. By 6 AM, it's gone. Oh, you think you slick. A few sundown sections of Wimbledon Hills, but but very not many So good. Let's talk about the fight at Foot Locker at the Topanga Mall. Do you remember what happened that day? Yeah

Probably 2013-14, you know, I was getting shoes Right at the wall. They started fighting. I got in my car. That's what happened. Yeah. Right? It was kids fighting? What am I supposed to do?

Hey, stop that, guys. Shut the fuck up, old man. Shut the fuck up. Nah, nah. Let me go in here and skedaddle. I'm out of there. He said, I got to go. So, question for the couch.

What's the craziest situation where you saw something going down or about to go down, and you had to promptly dip? Oh, shit. I don't... Damn. I don't be in situations like that. Okay, good answer. I just be minding my business.

Athletes are living the season about to start. Coaches watching. I get you. I just be at least a limited season about the start coaches watch I do you have you minding my business? Maybe like the occasional party in high school when the police pull up like a while Hollywood party Florentine Gardens back in the day neighborhood Situations they've heard they've been oh damn. Yeah, what what la you from? But I mean, I don't know.

Shit, I don't know. I remember we were in a strip club and Nip was in there. And it was like 80s, 60s up in there. You had to like, you know, one of them. Oh, I have a story. Oh, yeah, there we go. Oh, Lexi got a story. Oh, shit.

Okay, it's long. I'm going to try to shorten it. Okay, my first season overseas, I was in Hungary. And I was with my teammate and her boyfriend. And we were at this like little wine bar that we'd always go to in the middle of the city. So we were there one night. We go there all the time. So it's cool.

There's not a lot of black people in Hungary. So everywhere we go, lots of stairs. It's weird. So we go in there one night. And there's, like, this big group of, like, Hungarian people. And it's, like, booths. So we're on, like, one side of the booths. And then they're on the other side.

And there's, like, this huge Hungarian dude. And he,arian dude he like looks like he's like coked out or something like there's something wrong with him and he just keeps staring at us like he's looking at us directly so we're like looking around or whatever and then like one of my teammates she's from la so she don't like play that so she's like can i help you or something whatever dude gets up walks over to our table starts like pointing at her getting her face then his girlfriend comes over and she speaks a little bit of english and she's like okay everybody relax relax relax and then i'm just sitting there like what's about to happen so then my friend's boyfriend gets up they start yelling at each other the girl girl pushes the Hungarian dude

a little bit into my friend and she takes her glass and smashes it on his head. Glass of what? Just an empty glass of wine. Boop, his head. And then just throwing shit. I jump up on the booth. I'm recording it just in case they try to arrest us. This wasn't our fault. So now it's like a full brawl in the bar and we have to like, now the whole bar is against us. We're the only black people in there. We get up, we run out of the bar. They have chairs, throwing chairs at us, chasing us. We're like in this big city center. We split up, just take off running. We have no idea what to do. We call our coach, our GM.

It's like 1 a.m. We're going home for Christmas the next day. So I'm crying. I'm like, I'm not going to go home for Christmas. They're going to put us in jail, da, da, da, da, da. But yeah, that was a crazy moment. And then... Overseas too?

Overseas. Lexi, it's funny you tell that story because we actually have the video. While you were in makeup, we took that video off the phone. It was crazy. Like a whole bar brawl happened, and I just ran. I ain't throwing no punches or nothing. We know the Foot Locker story. Has there ever been?

Obviously, you're 8-0. You're a man that's well-traveled. You've seen a lot of things, been a lot of places, seen a lot of faces. Crazy situation where you saw something that was about to go down and was going down and you had to promptly dip Oh Promptly dip I'm getting the fuck out of here like had to I'm not gonna be here as magic Johnson was Well, I mean, I mean I did watch a woman get her ass whoop But y'all got it hold on before y'all be like, you didn't do nothing? Wait, hold on. No, no, listen.

Okay, but look, it was in the sport of, it was in the sport, it was in the sport. Okay, here we go. Yeah, please. All right, so, because you know where you just stand at, they're going to cut up. Okay, look, so we're in China, right? It's Shanghai, right?

It's Shanghai. We're at home playing against Tracy McGrady's team, right? So I don't know if people know how big Tracy McGrady is in China. Mega star in China. So, when he moves, people move. Right? Shanghai lives by their own little rules. Right?

So, Shanghai is like a New York City. So, they only care about themselves. Right? Them and Beijing feel like they're not a part of China. So, you know, TMAC fans is coming in there in large amounts. They, them and Beijing feel like they're not a part of China. So you know, TMAC fans is coming in there large amounts. And you know, TMAC has fans and you know, you have fans that like the yell out shit. And you know, Tracy, TMAC and Asian, how they say it, TMAC-a, right?

So you have a woman up there, you have a woman up there, T-MACA, T-MACA, T-MACA, right? And then what that did T-Macka! T-Macka! Right? Now, you got to think, I'm from America. So, what happens next? Really, we don't see that because there's rules here. Right. Whatever rules here, that shit don't apply over there. Right. Right.

Right. Right. So, he got up. Dog walked her in that chair. No T-Macka! And then he's just giving her the business like nobody did nothing. Right? Nobody did nothing.

Like if she had a wig, that shit fell off. Right? Like hair, everything. She's done. Right? Like, oh shit. Like you start feeling bad. Like, damn. Like me and what's-her-name-white was like, yo, they not gonna do nothing. They not gonna arrest dude. She gets up,

grabs a sign looks at him T-back T-back and I'm like lady. No It ain't worth it. Right? He he's not gonna be performing the way you cheer it His back is hurting right now He's gonna have two or three this ass three. This asshole is not worth it. I'm literally like, no!

What he just did was illegal, but obviously he's probably going to do it again. T-Macka. T-Macka. And I'm sitting like, yo, they are wild out here. Note to self, don't say shit to these people because they have no rules here. Dang. That's not funny, but. Like note to self don't say shit to these people because they have no rules here

Like that's like literally like honey, but no it's not funny But it's funny because she got whooped but then went back and did exactly what she was doing before Yeah, didn't you try to tell me T back not a megastar? I think that that should put him in the conversation for megastar. Nah. Fans taking a fan. Oh, no. No, we got to stop this megastar. In China, he's megastar. No, no, no. He's megastar in China. In China? No, no, no.

Yeah, for sure. No, no, no. In China, Jesus. No, I give you that, but not here. Remember, I told you, I'm in front of LeBron James and D Wade and Melo and Jersey sales in China and I didn't say this I didn't even play right

I got hurt in 07 so I missed the whole season and I outsold those guys while they were in Olympics if I'm telling you he is Jesus trust me in America I've never seen

nothing like that T-Maka bigger than Kobe see I've never seen Kobe in China but they said Kobe in China is ridiculous they said Jordan in China is ridiculous they said LeBron James in China

I never seen them in China we got off that what was the name I was with her. Yeah, and yeah He walked out and man we're talking about the airport dog. I know and it was You talking about about a hundred hundred thousand people they are now imagine the Lakers arena, Golden State arena. You got five arenas of full people just sitting outside.

Just like, what the? I'm like, yo, this is crazy, man. Yo, does your shoe sales help you become a megastar? Yeah. So is Kyrie Irving a megastar? All right, cool. Oh, you're putting Kyrie in the megastar? All right.

So, okay. I'm just making sure. I don't know. All right. I'm just making sure we're on the same page. I don't want people to get confused. There's just some, like when we say exceptions to the rules, there's some people that fall into that category, right?

Like basketball-wise, your stats have to match your performance, your game, your charisma, and then your shoe sales sales jersey sales, right? Some people game and their accolades might not be all of it But their shoe sales Jersey sales popularity is yeah, and he's one of those guys Yeah, yeah, then you might have the accolades, but nobody likes your game. Nobody likes you as a person Nobody does nothing for you, right? You don't have the personality that people like, oh, I like that dude.

Sometimes people just blend, right? You know, some people don't have personalities. Like, if nobody can identify with you as a person, like, oh, I want to be him. I feel sorry for him. I think about when we watch TV, we fall in love with characters, right? Or hate characters.

Some people just not characters enough for you to like they have no personalities. Hey, how was the game today? Game was fine. Both kids play hard. Yeah. You know, so,

you know, it all, it's everything, man. It's not just, it's not just your hoop. It's not just your charisma. It's, it's, it's, you need both. You need to be a jack of all trades when it comes to this. It's not just your charisma. It's it's it's like you you need both You need to be a jack-of-all-trades when it comes to this. That's why there's only a few

Yeah, yeah, it's only a few so Gil obviously everybody watching show today don't really care We have to talk about they're trying to get some bread. So should we give away money to two more? No Lexi Lexi what? Give him some bread Two more. Yep. Lexi. Lexi. What? Oh, my God. Oh, I was like, what am I looking at? Pick two people in the chat. Give them some bread. Here, let me pick one. Yeah, you got next. Oh.

Lexi, best shooter on the couch. Don't just say that because y'all want money. I hope y'all mean it. You're not going to give them the money for that? Damn. Oh, it's like four people saying it. Well, shit. Okay, we have Trini Reem, and his cash app is Reem02.

R-E-E-M-02. Can I pick another one? Yes. Wait, is this... Oh, this person's cash app is Lexi's Arena. Give it to him, too. Did he spell Lexi correctly? He spelled Lexi correctly.

No apostrophe, though, right? L-E-X-I-E. That's it. Arena. Okay. He said that's it. Give me that shit back, god damn it. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Other than that, I did see an NBA player get two-piece

by genuine in the club. So, Gil, all right. Time out, time out, time out. Now, you could have fucking said that from the jump. Right? Elgin Baylor-Lupkin. I'm just showing you how. Elgin Baylor-Lupkin.

No, I'm just showing you how, like, you know, how, you know, T-Mac was so big that a woman got beat up and still performed after that, you know. But, you know, I was I was at a table Right, right. I got a table. You see yeah, I'm in DC Oh, I better love that issue old was that issue old right on the waterfront anybody was there They know this story right and join boom boom boom and then genuine and so I'm here and then you got the other NBA player Here and then you got genuine there. so genuine was given bottles out right respect Right you know you sent a bottle to him. It's on me right so they give it to the dude and genuine wine was like right

the dude was like I Ain't gay. I'm not accepting no bottle from no man. Send that shit back So you know the girl went over there told you why what he said no bottle from no man. Send that shit back. Oh, no. So, you know, the girl went over there, told Junior Wyne what he said. I'm like, you didn't have to say he said the same thing. Right? So Junior Wyne came over there, said some things, and then all of a sudden, wah, wah, wah!

Oh, shit! He been practicing for this. You can't get hit by ponies! Oh! He gave you all what was in his jean hands. So anxious. Oh, my God. So they sent a bottle to your table? He did?

Yeah. You got a bottle from Genuine? Like for you or was it? You know how you send a bottle for the NBA player come in, like, oh, yeah, boom, boom, boom. And, you know, he's hometown dude. So this person also, he's like, oh, you know, bottle on me. But he was sending it to the basketball player. Yeah, the basketball player, yeah.

You know Elgin, January was named after Elgin Baylor, right? You didn't know that? Elgin, yeah. Elgin Baylor lumped it. So he was, you know, he's a big basketball. Basketball connection. He's a big basketball dude, so. So how did Do I continue?

He was your stepping on them. Yeah, that kind of I'm pretty sure that fucked up that night cuz we all watched that Oh Lord, I don't know if you want to keep taking shots anymore cuz You're not over Yeah, you got three piece by the do two shots literally and figuratively Well speaking of shots Lexi glad to have you back on the couch We have some more clarity on the Steph Curry versus a bringing aeskow three-point competition at All-Star Weekend in the first-ever NBA vs. WNBA three-point challenge, not to be confused with the first-ever Gills shootout presented by Underdog Fantasy,

where Lexi finished the highest on the couch. Shout-out to Adam Silver for seeing our motion and trying to really embrace it, gentrifying the event, if you will. So Steph will shoot from NBA 3. Sabrina will shoot from WNBA 3. But for what it's worth, Sabrina offered to shoot from the NBA line so nobody would bitch or complain about it. We'll see if they honor her request.

They should. Don't embarrass yourself. So, Lexi, this used to be your arena. So should Steph and Sabrina have to shoot from the same distance to make this competition fair? I mean, no, but it's a competition. So I would rather her shoot from the NBA line than him shoot from the WNBA line. Okay. But are they doing the regular three-point contest still?

And then this is just like special? So regular three-point contest, Steph And then this is just like special? So regular three-point contest, Stephan versus Sabrina, then the dunk contest. For what? Like, what does this prove? What is this for? I've talked to a few people about this

because I think it is cool because this wouldn't have happened if Sabrina didn't have that ridiculous performance last year at the All-Star game. So they're not just throwing Sabrina in just because. It's because she beat the record for WNBA and NBA. Wait, wait, no. Okay, is it a record for the WNBA under the rules that it was?

Or they added all these extra balls that actually allows you, because there's more points allowed? I don't remember. There's more total points. Huh? She only missed two, one or two shots. That was up. But it doesn't matter. She made 25 out of 27, finished with a total score of 47 out of a possible 50.

As you know, the NBA heavy on sponsorships. Starry came through, so they had special. It's not like the old school three-point contest. Starry's got two four-point balls. You got a whole money ball rack. I'm just saying. Hasn't the NBA added the four-point ball? Yeah, they both, I think, have the same.

That's what I'm saying. It's going to be for entertainment. That's what it's for, entertainment. But there's going to be some weird dialogue and discourse that's going to go on, whether she wins, whether she loses, whether she loses by a lot, loses by a little, if she beats the shit out of Steph, which I don't predict that happening.

But if she does, people will be like, oh, he let her do that. Like, I just don't really see what we're trying to do here other than have a good time. And that's just simply not going to be the case. But people are going to hate on anything, as we know. Exactly. We're giving away money on the show today. People are hating. Yeah.

So, I mean, if we're just doing it for fun, I think it's like a good way to make the WNBA visible during a big basketball weekend. So from that perspective, it makes sense. But if we're going to try and use this as a point for why WNBA and NBA is this, then I'm just like, I don't. Let's take a look at Sabrina getting buckets at WNBA All-Star Weekend. Get what we think. I do want to say last year's three-point contest, they didn't have three-point shooters in the three-point contest. Because look at the score she had to beat to win. 11. That's what she had to beat to to win 11 that's what she had to be she had to be 11 what kind of three-point contest is that this looks like the gil shootout listen like like see that time you gotta move boom yeah yeah

people were complaining about the the first ever gil shootout presented by under fantasy saying you gave the shooters way too much time to get acclimated. And then after she had beat the 11, like, she was just feeling good at that point. So it was like... This is the final round? Yes. She had to beat 11. Okay, you know.

It was Vegas, though, isn't it? One miss? Yeah, one miss. So she was 25 for 27 I believe No, she was the show's OD So you talked about Lexi what this means obviously for WNBA getting some more visibility Should there be a rematch during WNBA all-star weekend? Yeah Why would we not do this? Why would we not do the same thing but maybe it could be different

players because y'all don't have an all-star weekend we have an all-star 36 hours so you got out you got hours i would have not never been so so is yeah and it's going on during summertime uh uh summer league so the player has to want to be there he you got to make sure that player's not on vacation right you know what i mean so it's just weird it's a weird time but again i'm just like as if it's just for visibility and since we don't really have much going on seasonism so it's like cool but again like i'm personally not gonna use this to push any type of agenda Like if Sabrina does great great for Sabrina if she doesn't do great

Great for Sabrina for being able to do this in the first place brand you have some thoughts About the situation. Do you want to share with the couch? Yeah, this is some Nike bullshit Trying to make Steph not be the greatest shooter ever under armor version like yeah, man. I'm sick of it You'll be I see it. I see where this is going. No, bro. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't embarrass. No Try to know just like how they did. Oh boy from TNT with the shooting thing I know what they trying to do. Nah, stop that the first ever winner of your shirt. I'll present my underdog fantasy They should have done is paired NBA and WNBA players into teams and did it that way or or Or because right now Sabrina will actually be at a disadvantage because it's not her season and I'm pretty sure

Is she training for a season? Right at this point in time. Let's say next week. What has she been doing a season? Right? At this point in time, let's say next week, what has she been doing for the last month? Right, compared to Steph. Anything she does compared to what he's been doing

is not paying off. Right, because when does she need to, because is she overseas? No. No. So she hasn't been really doing anything to be really in that game type.

We got, what, two and a half more months until training camp. So shooters don't stay ready? They they do but he's in the middle Like if you if you want to make this a thing in Women's basketball really don't have a three-point like they don't have a weekend if you want to integrate it into The duck the NBA all-star Weekend, that'd be better. With the WNBA All-Star Weekend.

We do have a weekend, but it's nothing like that. Where you take the top three, where you take the top three finals and the finals from the girls, right? And you put them all shoot. Yeah. Do it that way.

I just, yeah. But one versus one after the three-point contest, like, is he in the three-point contest? First of all. But one versus one after the three-point contest, like, is he in the three-point contest? First of all, because if he's in the three-point contest and he went through a round and did all that, now he got to shoot in that contest. One, he's going to be, he already got some practice shots. Where is she getting to shoot her practice shots

if there are three-point contests going on before that? Right? It's just logistically stupid. I just, if the NBA and WNBA are like for real about just bringing eyes and viewership

and just genuine fun, they will do the teams, the pairs. So, instead of a 1v1 type.

NBA tried to do a two ball back in the day. I don't know if y'all remember that where they paired the WNBA player with the NBA player.

To do what? Different spots where they had to pass to each other. That's dumb. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's what the people said. Straight three point competition. They can't go that fast. I don't want to see that either. Rebound and pass. What I'm saying is I don't know who thinks for these people

but some of these people that y'all have things for you are just stupid people. They just think stupid, right? There's a three-point contest. One, I have a shooter plan. One shooter is not in her season. So we don't know what her shooting is right now. But it won't be the same as when she's in her three-point contest, right?

In her season, in her arena, getting her shots up. Like, can she go to her practice facility and work out right now? In New York? I'm not sure. Right? So we go to her practice facility and work out right now? In New York? I'm not sure. Right? So we don't know what the ability is, right? Then you have a three-point shooting contest on the court. Right? If Steph is in it, he has a shooting advantage over her

because he's getting up shots, right? He gets 25 shots first round. If he makes it to the second round, he gets another 25 shots, right? He gets 25 shots first round. If he makes it to the second round, he gets another 25 shots. So he gets 50 shots. Then that is over. Then it's her turn,

where she's been cold forever, because where is she shooting at? While she's watching the three-point contest. Then she comes out there. How many shots do you have to let her warm up before, hey, let's get this shit going? Right. Makes sense. You know what a smart person would do? How many shots do you have to let her warm up before, hey, let's get this shit going? All right. It makes sense. But you know what a smart person would do?

They would do an event where they had an open tryout. From that open tryout, anybody could pull up. Mm-hmm. Select the 16. Finishing the open tryout, let them compete against, I don't know, one of the best basketball podcasts in the game. Their crew that's made up of WNBA, NBA players, and compete for $100,000. And then you get a success story,

like maybe a gentleman who went on another show, got embarrassed, and now gets redemption and gets to walk away with $100,000. Sounds like a good idea. And we should do this multiple times a year. Up the bread and do it for the people. It just doesn't It just doesn't mean it just doesn't there's no there's nothing that comes out of it, right?

Did they like and I do want to know like Did they capture Steph saying that in the warm-up and then they're like idea or has this been in the works? So as I work a lot in the entertainment industry, I will say that it looked a little scripted We're talking about script writers all the time in the NBA NFL It looked like they knew they had Steph miked up that game Steph before the game you and pause Like it was it was just weird, but then hitting both the shots who I think that I just hope the dunk contest is good It happened a year ago like our all-star go get some of them dunkers and we're now just but yeah They're trying to you know know, cross-pollinate, get some bread.

I mean, hey, I see the vision kind of. And then it goes to charity, right? Yeah. You know, ooh! Charity starts at the home. I mean, like, it's for charity. Like, I mean... Well, speaking of charity...

One, she's going to take it more serious than Steph. Like, I'm not going to lie. Like, if I'm going to sit there and shoot, I want to shoot shoot for myself Not some fucking charity. I can tell you that for sure so speaking of charity girl We do have 500,000 subscribers on our YouTube channel We are giving away $10,000 throughout the show. Should we pick two more winners? That's not charity. Those are supporters right there That is supporters. That's not a group that just sitting at home. Hope you pick them for money Yo, cuz then we say that, what, Tuesday? It's your turn.

Or Tuesday or Wednesday, and then we end up getting it. It's your turn. Brandon, pick two people to bless with some bread. I don't know. Okay. Use the bat phone. Yeah, I think it should be a, man, I don't know. Don't look at Gil's search history.

That's a lot of, I don't know. Very't look at Gil's search history. That's a lot of... I don't know. Very interested to see. Brandon Jennings fan. That's their cash app name? Oh. No, wait, hold on. I see B Jennings Arena.

B Jennings Arena cash app. That's one. That doesn't exist. It does. All they do is just feed into our ego, aren't we? Yeah, just feed into my ego right now. I love when you do these giveaways. People are actually nice to me.

See, Adam, listen, Adam Silver, look, look. Go to our chat and get some R&P. They smarter than your thing. Somebody in the comments the other day said, I don't have any moderator, Bop. I'm trying, all right? I'm working on it, people. All right, please.

Work with me. I got a wrench. They're so opinionated. I don't have any moderator Bob. I'm trying all right. I'm working on it people all right, please work with me How do you know I got a wrench? There's so I don't have no my Bob opinionated It's not real about things that they could never do It's okay They have a dollar yeah, I know it's a dollar sign It was dollar sign be Jenny's arena dollar sign be Jenny's arena So what we didn't tell y'all if y'all put a fake Cash App name on there, the money just comes back to me.

Brandon Jennings fan. The Cash App is tough crowd fan. Okay. Simple, simple. If y'all haven't noticed, if y'all want to get picked, tell us how much you love us via your Cash App names. What if it's all just going to one person who's instinctively changing all their Cash App names to whatever? So, Gil, we ready to keep this thing moving and shaking?

Yeah. All right, let's do it. And people don't like when I say keep it moving and shaking, but that's my thing, man. I try. Can I have my own thing? It's your signature. When you do it, just do this a, but that's my thing, man. I try. Can I have my own thing? It's your signature. I can't even do that. No, no.

When you do it, just do this a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Antoine Walker? Mm-hmm. Should be shaking, yeah. Or the Mark Jackson? In the vein of other questionable ideas, the NBA made it official. DraftX is expanding to two nights.

First round is getting its own night at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. And the second round coming the next day at Applebee's. What is y'all's obsession with Applebee's? Now, if they did night two at Applebee's, I would roll with it. Applebee's and Olive Garden got roller seats. So you roll when you get to take it. So that shit is like, you re-rolling.

They got a second round. I've never talked about Applebee's more in my life. Because we love Americana. They got the second round. They got the second round at the Cheesecake Factory. That shit is like eating at Hometown Buffet. You know? What's the second round at again? It's at the ESPN studio in Seaport, Manhattan.

What? I'm just telling you what's going on here. I just read the news. There will still be five minutes before each pick in the first round, and the second round will increase from two minutes to four minutes for each pick. Wait, what? I mean, so they basically took our idea. They basically took our idea.

They're showing more love to the second round. First round, one night, five minutes still each per pick. Second round, the next night. Instead of two minutes, it's now four minutes, so they can milk it out, get some good advertisements in there, and try to make some bread. They took our idea when we had that conversation. Of what? But the first day, I still feel like the first day should just be lottery.

Lottery? And then if you don't get picked lottery, your ass got to sit there until tomorrow. In that seat? Shit, since you want to make entertainment and drama. And they got to sleep in Barclay. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, if you want to make entertainment and drama and they got to sleep they got to sleep you know i'm saying like if you want to do that but that but that is that is like okay one the second round who the fuck wants to look at the second round that's what i'm saying that's one no one watches the second round when it's on the same day.

Why would I wait the next day to say, oh my god, the NBA second round. 55% of the people won't even make it to training camp. The other 45% won't even make it on the team. So we're only looking at probably four players that might make a roster this year. Why?

So good week... 55, 45... That's 100%. That is 100%. And then... Oh, no, no. Yeah, so that's right. And then four people are going to be called in, and then they'll probably make the team. That's how you get out of that. We got a tweet... That would be all of them not making a team.

We got a tweet that essentially shares your same sentiments from the legend M.Grad. Said, the NBA during the draft in two nights isn't going to hit how they think it is. Jokic was drafted during a Taco Bell commercial, and now the second round has its own night. LOL. Why? No, that's what I'm saying.

The first night should just be all lottery. Like, make it interesting. Like, how they do, like, everything in reality. This shit is reality TV now. Yeah. Like, this is like, it's a reality show. Like, this shit is all reality. So if you're going to do two days,

then fucking just do the first 15 picks the first day, and then everybody got to wait the second day. Now, I would enjoy that with cameras on them to see what they're doing. Yeah, I want to see guys not be lottery. With ages for life. But not being a lottery definitely is disappointing, and you can see all over the guys. Mike, everybody.

Mike, they're ages, Seth. I need to see the oh yeah well like i wanted to i want to do interviews before what do you think you're going to be picked yeah anything like really like if you try to talk about entertainment because right now how you guys are speaking lets you know how stupid you are when have anybody ever watched the second round? Listen, the second round sucks so bad that the commissioner of the NBA don't even do it. Right? You don't even meet him. So you're telling me we should watch the second round when you don't even call the fucking names of the second round? He basically said...

Like, let's just be honest. David Stern, you know, may you rest in peace, he was the commissioner for the first round. Adam Silver was the commissioner for the second round. So if the commissioner, the man who is in charge, don't value the second round, why the fuck should we? Soon as the first round is over with, when you leave, motherfucker, so do us. Next thing, Netflix, here we go, TV change. Because at the end of the day, how many jewels is in the first round, in the second round?

And when the jewel does get found, we don't know what it looks like until it starts playing, right? Jokic, back-to-back MVP, the guy everybody everybody's chasing right now was drafted during the Taco Bell commercial Which actually works in his favor Taco Bell is delicious, right? So if you go back and watch he can't even he can't even watch himself being drafted not at the minute You know what I mean? Hey, look, hey kids. Listen, this is what I was rapping. Okay, look, I know you don't even got okay Somewhere between this commercial right here was me, right? So it's not that important because it's not that important for you guys. So for you guys, because Adam Silver, you're going to go to first round in the Barclays Center,

and then someone else is going to do the second round, not you. Don't disrespect Mark Tatum like that, all right? So, Tatum, yeah. And I don't know if that's Jason Tatum's cousin or whatever. Yeah, I'm just saying. No, for real. Deputy Commissioner Mark Tatum, my man in Amsterdam. So situations like that don't happen?

Like, I know that that doesn't value, like, fans watching or anything like that, but there are a lot of guys who get drafted and they don't have their moment because it's all squeezed into one. What I'm saying is the second round is you might have one player in this whole second round that might be good. Might. This is might. So we're going to watch

20-something picks for a might. Yeah, I feel like it's for ad spots. What ad spots do you want? Who wants to buy second round spots for the NBA? Like what I'm, you know what I mean? Enough for them to add a second round. Right, so if you're going to do that, turn it into reality TV.

Right, top 15 picks, boom. One night. Reality TV, because you interviewing. Imagine interviewing Rashad McCants before the draft. What do you think you should be picked shit i should be number one motherfucker what you're thinking about you rashad not here today no what i'm saying is but no what i'm saying is think about the personality right he might know he's top 10 but he's gonna say he's number one because that's who he is right and then from there

you get to watch him and then when you get picked what do you got to say he's gonna give his that that's a personality. Whoever somebody is, someone who thought they was top five, they got picked 12, they going to have something wrong, right? So you have all of this drama that you would want for TV. Now the second round, you have 16 to the rest. Now that's a motherfucking doozy. Yeah, because if that's second round on on Sunday I'm watching baddies instead because we're cuz you gotta remember and some people I will be disappointed like you watch that nonsense I think about Bobo like yeah, like think about Bobo every Sunday me and my oh

I think about Bobo he was supposed to be a number than a top five pick and he went in the second round What his interview sound like? When you interview him, yeah him you know because you know he gonna be he would have this is the type of dude that would have been at the table at the beginning thinking he's a top 10 pick he would have had to come back the second night yeah and then watch himself get picked somewhere else that is tv if you're gonna do it other than that if you're gonna just do it regular no one's gonna watch yeah that's what i'm saying you gotta have some drama behind it and then some guys might not want to come back the second day because they wasn't.

And it's like, well, that's on you. And then you got the second day at motherfucking IHOP. What did you say it was? Yo, Taco Bell. Show some respect. IHOP also, when they have the unlimited pancakes, also a fine restaurant. They're having the goddamn second one at the ESPN IHOP convention center in the lunchroom. With the 39th pick.

Just listen to how that sounds. With the 54th pick. Just listen to how that sounds. With the 54th pick. They got to switch it up. They got to switch it. Be like, with the first pick of the second round. You know what else they should do live? They should do trades. Trades.

Like gyms. Like do the live trades to see. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But for the most part, most people don't know they're getting treated until they get treated no no no but get the reaction of the trades so we can see like who was really the dumb ass at the end oh like the gms and stuff yes like yeah so certain oh yeah you know so people can like yeah we got that trade whatever boom boom boom and then you know people can go back to it like that was a dumb trade or do they ever talk

to the gms and coaches on draft night? That's that's reality. Yeah. Yeah, right. I suppose draft night when it's all right You know Dallas is on a ticker It should be live. All right, we're talking about what we think who we know. No, I don't want to get here Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah about this. Oh his wingspan this that's now we get to see how smart you are or how dumb you really are Yes, yes put them niggas on the clock. So we get to really see How you're picking what you're valuing right because that right there lets the generation moving forward

Understands what you're looking for or looking at right, right? Yeah, so when you're with the third pick right in the NBA Drive and you're looking for or looking at. Right? So when you're with the third pick, right, in the NBA draft, and you're, let's say, Golden State Warriors, right? And we're like, oh, you need LaMelo. And we get to hear what you're saying. Yeah. And we know we need someone to, you know, come in for, you know, Steph Curry. But, you know, Steph Curry feels like he has about six, seven more years.

So we can run with him. We don't have no big man presence. So we're leaning towards this. You know, we might like wise men, but we don't really have an office for wise men. Like you, we get to really see what you're, how you're picking this pick. That's real. That's entertaining. I mean, because they got cameras and mics on everything else.

That makes a lot of sense. You know the league. They're just going to keep feeding it to Woj. They will never allow that to happen. It's so bad. Fuck Woj. We don't need him. We want to hear from the person that's picking.

So we can be like, well, you know. He can't listen. There's literally camera mics, everything on the players, everybody. But when it comes to the GMs, front office, coaches, it's like just curtains. You don't know what's going on, what they're talking about. But we should. Tell me. We should, though.

I think we should know what they're thinking, too, because players get put out there all the time, right? So, while we don't ever hear. Like, I want to know what type of shit you're thinking. Yeah. Like, while we always got to hear, oh, he just made this pick. No, what were you thinking? What were you thinking? Like, to do all this. Okay, yeah, we got to keep this person. Like, like, like why we always got to hear, oh, he just made this pick. No, what were you thinking? What were you thinking? Like to,

to, to do all this? Okay. Yeah. We got to keep this person. No, we got to like, no,

I want to know what you think. Why does, why the hell you got the job? Why does a player, why does this player who was supposed to be like top five slip in the draft? Right. So because we get to hear you and his name come up, blah,

you know, I don't like the way, you know, his, then we get to really like, we don't like the way his attitude is. He didn't have a good work ethic. Right. So the people, fuck the people you're picking, right. They're already in that situation. The generation that's coming, right. They get to

watch the draft and then see, Oh, this guy was supposed to be drafted number 20. He got picked five and they get to hear, well, he hustled every day. He was here two hours early. He left three hours. Like, you know, he was a good guy, so we're willing to take the risk on him. People get to hear that information. Right now, everyone's going blind. So most of these kids think they need to be a 30-point scorer to make it to the NBA, not realizing, for the most part, majority of y'all are going to be role players. But also, too, if you give up that information, I mean, you know majority of us that's coming into the league are black

So, you know, why would you let a black kid know or whatever let him know what you're thinking? You drafted me so I need to know yeah But at the end of day though the the thing about the NBA too is why it's so fucked up too is that you know We're judging guys off the money they make and not maturity. You know what I'm saying? You're giving a kid 21 years old all this 30, 40 million. He don't know. So I want to know what my GM is really thinking behind closed doors. You know what I'm saying? Just how they know

everything we're thinking. They know everything. This ain't no game. The NBA is more lenient because they're dealing with that age group. The people who's judging are the people who are at an older age. So you have 50, 60, 70-year-olds judging a 20-year-old with money. But then if I tell you, all right, tell me who you were at 21. Oh, yeah, I used to get drunk every day at the frat parties.

Yeah, but that's cool. But what skin tone is coming into the league? No, but what I'm saying is if you're getting drunk at 21 at frat parties, why are you judging me but what I'm saying is if you're getting drunk at 21 at frat parties, why are you judging me for what I'm doing? Because what skin tone is coming into the league? Our skin tone has been dominated in the league. Okay, but... What I'm saying is we're being judged

by older men that don't realize when you was this age, you was just as dumb. You just didn't have money. Probably dumber. You was having frat parties. You was getting girls drunk at this age. So why are you judging me? Because I gave you $50 million. Because I'm paying you. Because I'm paying you. That girls drunk at this age so why are you judging me because i gave you 50 million you because i'm paying you that's why so i expect you to know these but they don't also tell us the tools either but you didn't know it i don't that's

what i don't listen to them you didn't know it at my age so why should i how are you gonna tell me how to be when you was my age you was a fuck up you had to drop out because you couldn't go to class now let me give you a hundred million you you you was a fuck up. You had to drop out because you couldn't go to class. Now let me give you a hundred million. You was a fuck up for free. You was fucked up for free. Let me give you a hundred million. What kind of person you think you are? So I'm pretty sure

who I am right now is a hundred times better than who you would have been in the same predicament. They don't want to talk about that. They're going to talk about who they are at this age. Well, I'm 56. He's a dumbass. Let me rewind you.

Well, when you was 21, you was arrested four times for DUI. Your frat got raided four times. You was under investigation. This is who you were at the same age, fucker. When you start doing that to them, then they get mad.

Yeah, but they ain't going to do that because we dominant. Sorry, it's black history, but it is just what it is speak it. Let it be known, you know, but whatever man No, no, no one no one at 18 19 20 21 is mature enough Period Right facts. No, just period life remember think about 21. I I finally get to go to an adult club, right? For the most part most of them been in the dog club since they was 18 because they got a fake ID That's what that's the group you're dealing with think about 18 19. They're getting fake IDs to try to get into 21, right?

That's the the thought process of the age itself right That's just regular life. The same age for sports is getting paid 50, 60, 70, 100 million dollars. What do you expect from them? So you think overall, these

younger guys coming to the league are like being unfairly judged? Hell yeah. Just off the money they make. They're just looking at the money and not looking at... So how do you fix that? You can't. You can't. Right?

Because in... I think it comes from the fans. It comes from front office. It comes from coaches. It comes from you. I mean, it comes from me. how young these guys are because they have all this money.

Like, Luke is 23. Right. Right. Y'all mad at him for being mad that someone was Let him be judged. Like, how about this?

Let him be judged by 23-year-olds, and you'll see how normal what he does is. Yeah, this is normal. Or he actually is way more mature than 99% of 23-year-olds. This man got mad. This man had a whole person kicked out because he called him fat. Is that really mature?

I think that is maturity, Gil. Is that maturity? No, but I'm just saying... That affected him. No, I mean, but it's just a sign of, like, I'm 23. It's like, man, get up out of my... But that's maturity, Gil. Is that maturity? I mean, just think about it. No, no, no. I mean, that affected him. No, no, no. I mean, but it's just a sign of like, I'm 23. It's like, man, get up out of my chair. But that's what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that affected him. So obviously, he can't be that mature if someone's yelling to something that. But then he turns around and scores 70. How many 23-year-olds would just shake that off? Everyone was on the edge. All right, not to actually, you guys, Luca, 24. He'll be 25. Just letting the couch know.

His talent is his talent. You can't change his talent. But what I'm saying is let him be judged by his peers. Then you will see how far we are. Most millionaires and billionaires, most millionaires in this country, in the world, make that million 35 and up. Most of those guys that we see, they're getting rich at our age now. They wasn't even mature enough to know what money was at this age.

Athletes are getting paid the most money at the wrong time. Not when they're mature, they're 40 years old, they understand life, they went through the trials and tribulation, they're settled down. You're giving them money at the hottest time of their life. Yeah. Oh, I'm horny. Oh, I just got a millionaire. I want all the women. Not like I want to settle down, have a family.

You're giving them the money. And then you're like, but, yeah. Oh, these guys out here being sluts. Duh. Duh. Right. I just got out of high school. You see high school girls?

Right. Shit. Like, it's just, that's what I'm saying. It's just, it's just, it's just. Like, you're judging somebody like Chris Brown. Mm-hmm. Right? 18, 19? Mm-hmm. Right? 18, 19?

Mm-hmm. You're judging. 16. He started at 16. No, when he got in trouble. Got in trouble. Oh, yeah, yeah. They were both really young.

18? Yeah. You're holding this man, who he was today at 30-something years old, to who he was at 18. The problem is something's wrong with you as a human. Mm-hmm You're holding someone to a standard when he was 18 years old to the adult that's two different that's fucking four different people by now. Yeah. Yeah

Like that's like me holding you today to who you was at 18 and I'm judging you are now I remember you yeah, this is who you are This is who you are still no Then fuck it then shit when you were six you was a peepee in the bed boy. That's who you are I'm gonna call you peepee in the bed boy right we started doing Peepee in the bed boy Holding people to yeah who they to who they were little kids just learning how to drive, not old enough to get in the club. These are grown people with kids now, and you're still using that, which means you as an individual haven't actually grown up. Yeah.

You haven't moved on in life. If you're still using it say 20 years ago you this is what you did 20 years yeah five five seven eight like so that's what we have to go through covid like if you ain't changed since then like that's the problem with cancer culture the only person in cancer cultures that's moving on is the person that you're trying to cancel. Because they went through it. They understand they fuck up. They apologize. They're trying to move

on. The only people that haven't moved on is the same people that are still trying to cancel the person that they already canceled. Oh, I canceled you 10 years ago for this. I got to do it again. I'm not that person no more. You can't cancel me. I'm new. I'm a new asshole. Like you said, though, people aren't maturing or people aren't growing.

No. Like, that's the thing. And people hate to see you grow. Like, people hate to see you keep going. Like, why are you not still mad? Like, how can you keep going? What the fuck do you think? We got tomorrow.

Like, it's like, what the fuck? Remember when you first hated me, you was 18. You hated me, you was 18 bopping. Yeah. Right now, you a cougar. Saying the same, you got four kids right now hating me for the same thing I did when we was 18. Shut up. Call them Little Pee Pee Boy and move on.

Watch out. Just call them Little Pee Pee Boy and move on like we're going to move on in this show. So Damian Lillard made his return to Portland on Wednesday night, and the Blazers showed him some love with a tribute video and standing ovation before the game. Then they showed him what his first L on a visiting team looks like. Blazers got the win over the Bucs under some questionable circumstances. Brandon, I know you're probably watching the game. Questionable circumstances.

Wait, you said the first win of a... No, I'm saying Dame took the L back playing against the Blazers. Before the game, Dame had this to say about returning to his old stomping grounds. It was weird. I walked in and as I was coming in, I was instinctively about to just keep walking down the hall. I really didn't know where to go. I had never been

in the visitor's locker room until today. So Gil, we'll start with you. What were your emotions like when playing against one of your former teams and did you feel any added pressure in those situations? No, I bust my former team ass because I mean, you know unlike Dame, you know I didn't sit in the city 12 years where you know Your whole life is that you know from when you came into the draft like you being a rookie you grown you became a father You became a community guy, right?

That's your life. That's where you, that's like going back to Oakland for the first time, right? Not Oakland, the arena, just him going back to Oakland, his community. So him going back to that arena, that is his life there, right? So seeing his kids, and I think his kids' birthdays was, his twins' birthdays was there, so he got to see their birthdays. So, you know, that's a whole different emotion and only certain players get that opportunity. Yeah. So you talked about, obviously you were in Golden State for two seasons before you went to the Wizards, but what was it like for you coming back to Washington after everything that went down there um it was a nerve-racking in a sense where

um because I left on bad terms I left on bad terms so me coming back I felt more ashamed than you know egotistic so me coming back I felt like I I you know let the let them down so me presenting myself and you know like hey like like I just didn't leave this motherfucker with some you know so I didn't really feel comfortable going back I I really was trying to get out of the game somehow and just stay back home and then hopefully a little year passed by and then I can come back so with those nerves though just walking back into that arena, like, did they ever calm? Or was that just the whole situation all the way through the end of the game or when I got the fuck out of there? I don't know. I was numb. I didn't even.

I mean, that's what I said. Mentally, I wasn't even there because I didn't want to process anything that was going on. That's it. That's it. That's interesting, man. So, Lexi, what was it like for you playing against one of your former teams? Every time I go back to the teams that traded me or cut me, I'm just like, y'all are dumb. So let me show you. Yeah. I don't really feel no, like, I don't have no beef with anybody because obviously even the makeups of the teams are so different now. And coaching staffs are a little different.

So, like, all that, like, that mindset is kind of gone at this point. But when, like, the first return back to Chicago, I was like, I just hope y'all win a championship, and now I'm on the spark. So I'm going to show y'all why y'all could have kept me. Same with Minnesota. I go to Minnesota, and I try to bust their ass, no matter who's on the team. Like, that's where my real beef is with the Lynx. And just landing in the city, like, oh.

Oh, yeah, I'm like, I can't wait to play. Okay. And those are, like, the last two years have been, like, my best games have been against the Lynx, so, yeah. And then, Brandon, how about you for yourself? What are your emotions like when you were playing against one of your former teams? Did you feel any additional pressure? I think when I got traded from Milwaukee, I was just kind of, like, numb.

Because I was still young, so I was just kind of more like because I was still young so I was just kind of more like damn like I really got traded and right now in that this next chapter and I don't know if I was really ready for it just because I was so like used to just being in Milwaukee like four years being there so I remember the first game back in Milwaukee I think I had like a double double and we won But I mean it just didn't feel like anything like it like it didn't feel like oh It was revenge or anything like that. It was more like what Gil said more of just like Wish I would have did better Like like I wish I would have had a better attitude towards like certain things and I've seen you young when that trade happens

Were you hurt at all, disappointed? Did you feel like, kind of like that Will Smith moment of Fresh Prince, why don't they want me kind of situation? No, it wasn't more like why they didn't want me. It was just more of like, like it was so much off the court shit to me more than just basketball.

So it was just like, I was just kind of going with the flow. Was I happy? No, not really. But a lot of my unhappiness came from off the court okay because of like you know the the stuff that i created around me so that's why for sure i mean just for like people like just uh to understand that you know trades trades is like getting like getting fired in a sense yeah right yeah we're getting transferred yeah right you know just randomly just wake up hey oh yeah

you don't you don't work anymore we don't transfer you to yeah Alaska you know what right and that's what a trade is right that's how trade is right you you got a job where you're going is just we just gonna uproot you and you just gonna go right there's nothing you can do about it you can't veto it or nothing Right. You got a job where you're going. It's just we just going to uproot you and you just going to go. Right. There's nothing you can do about it. You can't veto it or nothing. So, you know, just imagine, you know, just being at work today and then, you know, you get traded to a whole nother city, you know, at the same job. Like it's not you, you know, like you request. A lot of times they don't even tell you why. Why? No. And if they do, it's bullshit. Yeah. So you were doing a great job.

You know, we really love you It's like if I getting done basically, right? Was that you know, you're still making the same money Yeah, so it's not like I'm going to a spot where I can't afford to live It's like okay like, you know, that's the only thing that keeps you like, okay I'm gonna but that's I'm saying like you're gonna keep everything in but you just you and your family you got kids that got to Go to school not tomorrow. friend y'all gonna be over here and you're like oh shit and you got a report you got 24 hours yeah you got you just uprooting you know your life for the most part so you don't

really i don't think you guys are looking for sympathy at all in this situation i feel like a lot of people who aren't in your position will quickly say well are you millionaires are you making a bunch of money but that's just deal with. No, but that's what I said. Alright, just like regular, just like a job. It's like you keep your same money, whatever. If you just got a raise, all of that is fine. The only thing that's going to happen is you're not

getting fired, you're just getting transferred out of your will. Yeah. Right? You're getting the same pay, you're in the same position, you're just going to be in a different city when you come to work. Right? If you live in Los Angeles and they say, alright, you got in the same position. You just gonna be in a different city when you come to work, right? There's no you if you live in Los Angeles and they say all right you got to go work in Minnesota and you got to be there in 24 hours and you got a whole family Yeah, so now do you do you like day I think left his family on Portland there. Yeah, so do you leave your kids? We've got even that but that's that's more of the problem, right if you listen to date Dame

The basketball is not a problem. He's basically saying, shit, these are my kids. My whole family's here. I left, and I haven't seen my kids. I haven't seen this person. You know what I mean? That's more of the foundation that kept him sane is what's not there. So let's talk about Dame a little bit.

25 points in the loss, but he was 9 for 23 from the field, 3 for 13 from 3. So Dame's still trying to find his fit with the Bucs offense. He was cooking in December. January's been a little bit of a different story. He's shooting 39% from the field, 28% from 3. So, Brandon, I'm going to start with you because you're our resident Bucs fan. Should Dame's slump be concerning for the Bucs at this point in the season? No, we're 0-2 under Doc.

That's the concern. Should Doc's slump be concerning for Bucs fans at this point in the season? It's the Doc's slump right now. And I love Doc being the coach. It's just the Doc's slump right now. I don't think there's any... Because those shots, you know,

they traded Dame to come... to be able to score enough in the fourth quarter during the playoffs so that slump is nothing I mean we're just going to under doc right now and well hopefully we get out of it so like should the Bucks be concerned all with names slump right now not really kind of I don't think I mean being a shooter it happens sometimes and the way he shoots the ball the shots he takes are, like, not easy ones. But, yeah, he's gone through a lot of transition,

which I'm sure he wasn't expecting to be under a new coach halfway through his first year in Milwaukee. New city, like we said, his family's not there. Just there's a lot of changes, like, off the court that can affect you as a player on the court. But, again, he's fourth quarter Dame, hopefully playoff Dame. But, yeah, Doc 0-2, that's unfortunate, but I think that would be fine. Mr. Hibachi, should Dame's slump be concerning for the Bucs at this point?

I mean, Dame being, I mean, if he's in a slump, you know, whatever that is, if that's a... Just a slump for him. I'm not even, you know, for his standards. I mean, a slump is, you know, are you taking wide open shots and you're just missing those? Or, you know, like it's just you're being doubled and, you know, there's different ways of calling something a slump. Just, you know, you missing wide open shots and you just feel like you're in a slump. You know, offense changing, personnel changing, the way they're playing you, you know, that can and you just feel like you're in a slump, you know office changing Personnel changing the way they're playing you, you know that can have you just missing shots

the the shots he takes sometimes or you just be like, well How would your shooting be if you actually took? 22 foot three-point shoot three-pointers versus 30 footers, right? Like, I know you can shoot from this far, but I'm pretty sure this percentage is going to be way less than this percentage, right? So, you know, getting closer threes versus trying to shoot the longer threes. Like, this generation is more into making a, ooh, three. I want to shoot the closest three.

If I'm on a heater, I'll pull up from here. But these are not going to be my everyday threes shooting 30-footers. 30-foot three in a 23-footer. That's like shooting a long layup. Why am I going to jump from the free throw line because it looks cool when I can just get fucking right there and make The lay I'm gonna make the baby looks like being on a fast break and trying to jump as far as you can You know, so that is the least of the concern they have way bigger problems there and

They're really big problem like Media Dame is not the reason for bad defense losing drew holiday and Grayson Allen is the reason that your defense is not where it was yesterday, right? The defensive schemes hasn't changed. Remember, I kept questioning, like, wait, hold on. How did bad defense, when they had first-team all-defense back there with Lopez, and then you have Giannis back there,

how is their defense this bad, right? One person can't turn the defense this bad, right? Well, the problem is they've never had a defensive scheme they had smart defensive players who understood how to play the game so when you watch drew himself when he when it was him and pj tucker think about pj tucker right he's going to give you a 2.9 he's going to come here he's going to block out you drive he's going to be there he's going to get back he's going to dig right so you can't really quantify or have stats on. So he does that

just naturally. Drew Holiday does that naturally. That's not part of their scheme. You drive left-handed and he decides, I don't have a shooter. Let me go catch. And he runs down there and he's the block man or he's going to die. He

individually is doing things outside of the system That saves defense that saves defense that make everyone look a little bit better make the team look a little bit better That's smart guy. That's on the on you on a ISO and he just ate. I got your 2.9 I got your 2.9. I got your 2.9. I'm help 2.9. I'm helped. Push him this way. Push him this way. That's him. He's the guy that's sitting there doing it. That's not part of your scheme. So when you lose two of those guys, who's doing all the netting up?

There are two nets left. Now these guys are on their own. So when Greek goes to block a shot, there's somebody boxing out. Now you got Brooke Lopez used to doing what he do, box out. No, you got to go get the rebound.

Now y'all giving up offensive rebounds because what Drew Holiday did is not being done. So it's not that Dame just doesn't do what he does.

It's not like you're taking Dame off the dribble, killing him. He's just not giving the effort. It's not Dame's. Dame, obviously, I think was outspoken.

He wanted to go to the Heat. Not necessarily Dame's fault that he ended up going to the Bucs. This is more of a Bucs issue where if you knew that was going to be a problem, you should have fucking addressed it. No, but they don't know that's a problem because they're not understanding who he is. There are certain players that do things naturally. Like Marcus Smart. What defensive scheme

has him picking up full court? You shove him. He holds you. You shove him again. He takes the charge, right? Right? He does the flop. That's not part of your defensive scheme.

That's him individually, right? That's what he does. So when you get rid of those players, you don't realize how bad you are in defense when those guys go. And even coaches don't even realize when you're doing this. Like I've had a few coaches of mine tell me, I don't I don't realize how much you save our defenses with your positioning. Like a help side here, a jab here, just communicating. But you don't always see that in real time. And then you never see it in stats.

You don't get a stat for being in a position defensively. So I don't even think that they were going to miss Grayson and Drew this much defensively. Because there's no way to... Analytics isn't going to tell you what they do on defense. Because there's no numbers. What isn't going to tell you what they do on defense because there's no numbers what what it is too is okay so let's say you let's say you are um you're trying to iso the big right right you're trying to iso the big that's what you want to do so when you come off the pick and roll right right, and we're switching, and then imagine just Drew just running up there just naturally to get the ball out of here.

Now you got to pass it and run and get it back, and then we switch back. What a great defensive player does is he takes you out of what you're trying to do. So the reason that you don't know how to quantify his defense because whatever they're trying to do, he done already took you out of it. Like what made Kenyon good. Because Kenyon played in our system, he knew our plays, right? So Kenyon knew where to be, right? All right, okay, fours out, fists, okay,

and turns on the opposite side. Oh, hey, they're snapping back fronted, right? So, you know, when he's faking here to come back here he said hey no no front of front it already fun is just stay on that side now when come right back now when he tried to snap back he doesn't have that guy so Kenyan already did that play right you don't know Kenyan did that right so you did the guy who's guarding here you think the guy who's frontin stopped Antoine when the guy who knows the play stopped it, right?

That's what the defense is. The defense is not the play. There's no fucking player in here who can stop someone it's the concept of defense right so if Spurs is a great defensive team back in the day, right? Now let's take the system out was your nobody a great defensive player No, was Tony Parker a great defensive player? No, no Ginobili a great defensive player? No. Was Tony Parker a great defensive player? No. No. Was Bonner a great defensive player?

No. So, you know, you got three guys who didn't play defense, but the team is number one in defense because what they did do is, hey, my job is not to let you do this. So when you get below this free throw line, I'm supposed to push you that way. When you go that way, that's on the next person. So they just made sure they made sure

what they did was correct. Yeah. I mean, that was the best advice I got from a coach is defense isn't always about stopping your man. It's about making them do something that they don't want to do. And sometimes they're going to make it most times they're not. But if you just let them go get into their rhythm shots or do whatever move that they want to do, then you're going to get 30 points dropped on your head. And that's like the concept of defense summarized, I think. Should the Bucs start Bobby Portis?

Over who, Lopez? No, no, keep Lopez at the five, Bobby Portis and Giannis at the three, and then Malik Beasley at the two, and bring Chris Middleton off. At this point, we're defense. Right, to be honest, he's dragging the leg. What he's skilled at is he's trying to, like, use his body to post up, but he don't have the foot advantage over anybody anymore, right? If he's hitting shots, you know, cool.

Like last night, he was hitting shots, but, you know, Kuh, like last night, he was hitting shots, but, you know, at the end of the day, he still couldn't get past this guy. He's just hitting shots. You can try it. Just to play faster,

and like you said, they back it down, like to play, just to get more active on defense, like I think early. I mean, active on defense, it doesn't help them because they all look bad, right? When you break down the tape right whoever's guarding the ball there's nobody

in position to help right you know i'm guarding you and this this is a driving lane he's on the island you know no one's tagging 2.9 none of them because none of them did it okay grayson grayson drew did it because they know right Grayson Grayson and drew was the 2.9 and get away you'll get over there they did that so that's gone and then them to be on the same page they were also able to help each other they go on top like helping the rest of the team like me like when people say I was a bad defensive player I wasn't a bad defensive player in areas. Man to man, picking up full court, I'm fine, right?

Stopping the ball from getting the lane, I'm fine. I hit picks. Me too. Screamer? Yeah, I say yes. Screen club? Anything above like guard 94 feet, I'm going to do all that. When it comes to all these... It's hard to get over screens.

Like getting over screens and putting my shoulder in there. Or down screens, don't get hit by the screen, Gil. Oof, it's hard. Gil said, come on, bro. Like, bro, he's targeting me, bro. Like, he's targeting me, bro. You know what I mean? Like, why can't we switch?

Like, today, why can't we switch? I feel like out of all the things on defense, one of the main things that is a skill is navigating ball screens and down screens. Like Patrick Bailey, that's his job, right? I feel like out of all the things on defense the one of the main things that is a skill is Navigating ball screens and down screens like like Patrick barely that's his job, right? You know get through ball screens and do shit like that, right me like I keep the ball Like I used to say why you gotta keep calling a screen take me off the dribble Because yeah, go right past me. I'm big I'm bigger and stronger and faster than the guards that are guard I got Eric snow. I got you know

You know Mike James BB, you know Steve Nash them right Take me off the dribble, huh? We cast. Oh, yeah. Y'all want to call picks get my big man involved No, my big man can't move right knowing I'm about to die On the pick right so, you know What? Right. Knowing I'm about to die on the pick. Right. So, you know, what made me look better is having Larry Hughes. So Larry, he's like, yo, he's a ball watcher. He's a ball watcher. He's a net guy. He's going to follow the ball, which means is as long as he's tracking the ball, what ends up happening, he might lose sight of his man. So I'm a follow his man knowing that he's gonna go for a steal on the weak side i'm gonna net his guy just in case this guy goes back door so larry hughes was a big

net guy for me i was a big guy for him so when he's like yo when uh kobe come off the pick and roll what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna keep trying to steal it from the back i want i want to try to steal it from the back so he can shorten his dribble, make him come back this way. Make sure when I go you're there so the lane doesn't look like it's open. So what I'll do is he's going for the pick and roll. I'll just run in the lane. Ah! And then

come back so he can get back in front. But that's people. That has nothing to do with the team scheme. You can't really teach that. And coaches try and they waste a lot of time trying to teach players how to play like that. You either have the IQ to do it or you don't. That's what I've learned. It's all IQ, man.

It's all natural. You can't teach Kawhi what Kawhi has. There's nothing. Should they go try to go get P.J. Tucker again? I mean, I'm just saying, like, for... For a net guy, I mean, for what they for fuller. I'm just saying like for for net for a net guy. I mean for Trying to do yes now That is a problem. Not an office is a problem too because the simplest thing right the simplest thing is this

You guys are shooting so many threes and it's so many long three so many bad three so many heat check threes that you don't realize that You guys can score 130 you guys play so fast that you can score 130, right? Mm-hmm because Why you guys don't play together? Like meaning like throw the ball in the honest at the mid post runoff Giannis, try to get the ball back, pick and roll, dive, hit, pass it to Giannis, flare screen, dump, doom. Like, that is basketball. You guys don't even have that. You guys have, alright, I want to say the pick with Giannis,

but shit, they're going to double me, you know, me and Giannis, and I'm going to have to pass the ball back to Giannis, then Giannis has to go downhill and fuck that. Here, Lopez, come on, Giannis, go somewhere else. Lopez, come. Ooh, got a three. Like, you're changing the offense because you individually, which hurts the offensive team, right? And KD told me something. Because I asked KD, how come you guys don't play star versus star?

Like, I mean, why do stars don't play with each other? Right? Like, Carmelo. Like, you knew what Jack. Carmelo and John Stockton. Stop us. Right? However you want to try to stop us.

You want to go under? I'm going to make it lower. You want a hard show? We're going to dump it in. He go... Right, you couldn't stop them too. Right? Right.

Why y'all don't do that? And he said, you know, the game today is looking for a mismatch and exploiting the mismatch, which now is pick and roll, big man switch. Okay, now let's play one-on-one. So we talked about the Bucs. Now let's give away some Bucs. Yeah, Joe! Everybody in the chat...

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Remember. All right, let's talk about Kevin Durant. He also made a return, granted to not a spot where he spent a ton of time. But Brooklyn for the first time since being traded to the Suns. And against his wishes, he got a tribute video as well. After the game, he said he enjoyed it. He appreciated it. But not everyone was feeling Durant's return.

Like this usher who had to tell a fan to stop glazing the Easy Money Sniper so hard. Look at him. Sit down. Sit your ass down. Yo, look. He look like he. Hey. Yo, fam.

He look like yo. What was he saying? I don't know, but he look like he. He was going to say something wild. Look at his reaction. He look like he just fed up. He was giving him the heart. Just enough.

Ayo, the Staples Center fans, they be struggling. Brooklyn, they not. You see, he got up. He knew to sit down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Staples Center security, very fine people, but yeah. You can get your shit off in crypto. You can go in other places.

You're not supposed to be just, oh, you know. There's also people who went to high school and shit like that, too. So, look out. Yeah, yeah. They do know us, though. Shut up. Oh, no, BJ, I got you. Just slide through here.

Yeah. You can see the genie's box. For sure. For sure. So, KD got the win, too. He had 33 points, five rebounds, eight assists. Suns are 9-2 in their last 11 games, six in the West. Interesting note from that game, though.

The Suns' big three has already played more games than the Nets' big three did. Are the Nets' big three one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history? No. You know what I think is a what-if? Wasn't when Chris Paul was trying to go to the Lakers, whatever year that was, and they wouldn't let that happen? When the NBA stomped down? Yeah.

I feel like that's one, even though it didn't happen. I'm like... David Stern said, not on my they wouldn't let that happen. And the NBA stomped down? Yeah. I feel like that's one. Even though it didn't happen, I'm like... David Stern said, not on my watch. Yeah. It was crazy. Actually, I think they were running the Hornets at that point. Yeah, I think that's what they were. They were.

So he was put in the great position to be able to shut it down, but it said all this stuff. David Stern vetoed that trade. He's the one who gave the trade. It was his team. He's the one who presented the trade. Didn't they veto? I thought they vetoed it, though. They vetoed the veto that trade He's the one who gave the tree. It was his team. He's the one who presented the trade didn't they beat? I thought they'd be loaded. They beat on who vetoed it. I don't know who they be But I remember it was like okay who owned the team again the National Basketball Association. Who's that? They said right now they were starting this so I How can David Stern to veto something that he's the one who put together in the first place?

It was vetoed, Gil. So who vetoed it? No, I know who vetoed it. I know it was vetoed, but you got to remember, think about what I'm saying. For it to happen first, who had to say, oh, this is a good idea? Yeah. David Stern. To make it look good. Or to get high.

David Stern is sick. Okay, now think about it. David Stern. David Stern is negotiating with, hey, doing Turner is sick. Okay, now think about it. Davis Turner is negotiating with, hey, during the lockout, who is Davis Turner negotiating with anyway? Yeah, yeah. Who is the captain of the player? I just want people to really get,

grasp what I'm trying to say. If Davis Turner is speaking for the owners, Davis Turner owns the team and makes all the decisions for the team. Who is the player person? Who is the king on the other side when we're negotiating contracts? Chris Paul. Right? I mean, right?

So, right? So, if there was a trade and this trade actually went through Who let it go through right? Obviously someone made him second guess it right and that would have been hey, that's some gangster Nobody pays attention to that, right? Like hey, that's some gangster shit Hey, good job. Good job Go to la and one of us is colored. Yeah, go to LA and whatever's his color. Hey, bro, I'm going to throw this trade out here, but it ain't going.

No, no, no. I'm going to throw it out here. What happened with the trade was this. Yeah, all right. What happened with the trade was this. Mark Cuban crunched the numbers on the trade. So the trade was Chris Paul is getting traded, right? He's getting traded for Paul Gasol and Lamar Odom.

So one player for two, right? Lamar Odom's going somewhere. Paul Gasol's going somewhere. So now you have Chris Paul and Kobe. On the back end, which nobody really knew at the time, was Bynum was being pushed for Dwight Howard. So now you would have had Dwight Howard, Kobe, and Chris Paul, which no one really gave a shit about that. The actual problem was after the trade was done, Lakers had $24 million in cap space.

Now, back then, $24 million in cap space is two max contracts. You start both of them at $12 million, right? You can max two players out. So let's imagine who came up in 2011 around at 12 million, right? You can max two players out. So let's imagine who came up in 2011 around the same time, right? So they could have went after, just in theory, they could have went after, oh, let me get LeBron James and Chris Bosh. So they vetoed it for, like... They vetoed it because what happened is

they had so much money left over that they were going to... The Lakers would have create the USA team. Because I can go out and get two players. Max, I can go out and get LeBron James and Chris Bosh. Come on. I got you two. Then Kobe's contract was up, which was $24 million. They could have literally said, yeah, Kobe, we don't need you.

We can go and get two more Max players to start them off at $12, $13 million. Kevin Durant and what's-his-name, come on. The Lakers would have looked like the USA team for 10 years because of the way the contracts have been set up. So Mark Cuban said, fuck that. How about Mark Cuban? Told the rest of the owners and the rest of the owners and the rest of the owners was like the rest of the owners was like hold on we just had a lockout about small teams getting rid

of your big players and how come you get the team and the first thing you do after the lockout is get rid of your big player because think about it there's no owner of that team so before he sells the team gets rid of i guess i get rid of you know the chris paul no owner of that team. So before he sells the team, he gets rid of it. I get rid of, you know, the Chris Paul and all of that. So that's what ends up happening. I think you need more beverages on Gil's Arena. You are out here spitting. That's, that's, that's, that's.

Well, y'all believe that? That's 100%. I was in Orlando. Y'all believe that, bro? 100%. I believe in nothing. I don't remember how old I was. I believe that he was trying to go at David Stern and David Stern said no. Sit down Clifford. Who? No.

This trade is not going through. You thought you can battle me behind closed doors? No. This is who I am. The deal we signed was some bullshit. Right. Because of him. Right? Right? Because of him right? Because of who? Because of Chris Wall right? Okay if it's some bullshit, so what happens is if we send you a contract and players say no, and then the same contract come by and it's like, yeah, who wins that?

David Stern, right? So whatever Chris Paul did was in David Stern. So why would you take that position anyway? So why would you put yourself in that position to take that position? Do you know who the other player personnel was? Who was the other head? Derek Fisher. Who?

Who was it, Derek Fisher? Right, right. When he was retired, what first job did he get that quick? la sparks Nicks, right? Let's go to next right straight up that are you alluding? So is that what it's about so is that what are you alluding to some colluding you so is that what it about? What I'm saying is I mean, okay, but where's he coaching?

I know what I'm saying is what he got what I'm saying is he got a real opportunity. What I'm saying is who was the player personnel dealing with David Stern before them two? Mark Curry? Was it Curry? All I want to know, is it better now, though? You mean players associated on the league side? Players side. Curry was the dude, Curry, right? I don the league side? The players side. Okay. Curry was the dude

Curry, right? I don't know if he was Mr. Cooper? No, not Mark Curry. I'm sorry. That's funny. That's funny. What's his name?

Does Chad know? Who? Michael Curry. Michael Curry. Shout out to Mark Curry though. So Michael Curry was on the players side.

When he retired, what was the first thing he got? Next year, coaching job. Is that what it's about? So you got to take that road to get a coaching job? Gil, you can get a coaching job right now. How much you know?

So you got to take an L. So you got to sit up there and talk to the commissioner, take an L just to get a coaching job, and then end up a high school coach after that. Okay. I'm not saying what you do. I'm saying this. If you are any commissioner at any goddamn sport,

you are not going into no negotiation fair. I know that. Are you serious? Like, let's just keep it a buck. Who's the player personnel right now? Who's in charge? Let's give it to a white boy. I'm just saying, who's in charge?

I don't even know. CJ McCullough, right? Coaching job? I'm going to tell you one million percent, if I'm Adam Silver and this is the man in charge, ain't no damn way that I'm not going to be promising the golden world. So when we do have to go to war, we both have an understanding what the big picture is. And the big picture is, after you're done, son, do you want to be in this NBA still?

Do you want to be in this NBA still? Do you want a coaching job in this NBA? Hey, what are you doing out there? You like wine? Hey, do you want your coaching job in his NBA? Hey, what are you doing? Have you like wine? Hey, do you want your wine? I get it. There'd be Sponsor in the NBA. So therefore hey tough karate. You got a little merchandise a good crowd, right? Hey, it would be nice if you design some outfits for us. I got the licensing deal for it We made some license for you. Mr. Brandon Jennings. Hey, you know, I just like certain teams, you know Okay, cool. Whatever teams you like. I'm only to make some licenses for you, Mr. Brandon Jennings. Hey, you know... I just like certain teams. You don't want to come here.

Okay, cool. Whatever teams you like. I'm only fucking with the Bucks. Hey, hey, hey. You want the Bucks? You want the Bucks? I can give you 100% access to the Bucks, and you keep all your profit. I'm just saying, when we go into negotiation, and I have a deal for you, it's in your best interest to make sure that these guys sign this deal.

Okay, yeah. That's what that... And that... But, I mean... That's what happens, man. Let's just be honest. So you sell your soul, basically. I'm going to sell my soul for myself so I can fuck everybody else that play in the NBA.

So I'm going to fuck everybody else up just for me at the end. Sell your soul, then. It's called bore on the floor, Brandon. I'm going to call bore on the floor. I'm cool, bro. I'm cool. I'm going to call bore on the floor in American words. I'm cool, bro. I'm cool. I'm cool.

I know you cool. I'm cool, dude. I know you cool. I'm going to do a deal where we can all make sense for each other. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how this works. That's selling your soul. No, that's not how this works, son.

You not doing the deal. Cool. Next. How about you? No, that's, I mean, that's fine, too. I mean, that's fine, too. But I'm just saying, like, but just don't be mad when everybody in the league don't fuck with you because of... How many of them is on the committee?

There's three of them, right? Right? There's usually three. Trust me. I got a crew of... Why they didn't give the role to a white man? What role? To run the commission or shit.

I mean, for him to go talk. Who listened to him? Why it got to be on us? Who listened to him? That's funny you say that, Brandon. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Like, why it got to be always on us?

You know who the first president of the NBAPA was? Bob Cousy. I mean, shit. I mean, I just think at that point, why you don't know? Hey, Bob Cousy was, huh? Then it's kind of weird that they kept getting all those goddamn... That's like some Illuminati shit, bro. Number one picks and all the goddamn Hall of Fame guys. That's weird that the first person that was in charge

got all the talent to win it. The Lamb Marine. Oh, my God. Back to the question at hand. Back to the question at hand. Are the Nets, Big 3, one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history? No, the biggest what-if was Kobe was supposed to go to Detroit. The what- if is there.

It's like, what if he got there, will he still be alive? No, what is the what if? No, I mean, he was supposed to get traded to Detroit. When? What year was this? Was there a big three there? I heard a story that Kobe was supposed to get traded to Detroit. And it was during the time when they were trying to go back again. And Kobe was going to get traded to Detroit. And it was during the time when they were trying to go back again.

And Kobe was finna get traded to Detroit as Joe Dumars. Nobody listen to Joe Dumars. All right. I'm just saying, all right, I'm just telling you. That's just the story I told.

Kobe was supposed to go to Detroit. So, Joe, I would say that is not the biggest what if. One of. I didn't say the. No, no. But we asked the chat, coincidentally, fine chat saying very nice things

because we're giving bread away for reaching 500,000 subscribers. 51% said yes, 49% said no. Before we move on, very quickly, Gil, I'm going to read you another interesting tidbit of information. Isaiah Thomas, president of the NBA Players Association, from October 5th, 1988 to February Isaiah Thomas, president of the NBA Players Association. From October 5th, 1988 to February 13th, 1994.

Do you recall what happened in 1998? No, what happened in 1988? 88, 89, 89, 90. Back to back. Back to back? Oh, oh, oh, oh, they got their plan. Oh, fair, fair, fair. So what year was it?

He took over in February of 88. February in 88. He said they got their plan. Let it be known. What was he trying to say? I'm not saying they ain't going to. All I'm saying is if he was the player personnel. President of the NBA players. NBA players personnel.

I know they were the first team with a plane during the year they went back to back. That's all I'm saying. Detroit, fine city, fine airport. That's interesting. You can't knock it for... Now I'm thinking about it. I mean, that's just weird, huh? I'm like, hey.

Are you questioning... What do you need from us as a partnership? We need a plane. Interesting. Okay, we got you a plane. Yeah. Let's talk about a former Detroit Piston, Rasheed Wallace. On a recent episode of the Sheet and Tyler show on the underdog NBA YouTube channel, Woof Woof,

a friend of the program, Rasheed Wallace, had this to say about MJ's defense. Mike wasn't all that good of a defender. Ten all defensive teams, that Mike was good? All this NBA shit, yeah, we like Mike, we gonna put him out there. Da-da-da-da-da. I'm talking about being out there. I seen this motherfucker get his ass bust, where he couldn't stop a motherfucker. Against J.R.Ryder, um, yeah, probably against Clyde Drexler, shit, don't forget the early

Joe Dumar. And I'm not saying that he didn't play defense. I'm just saying that his defense wasn't as high as most other cats at that time. I couldn't put him on 10 or 11 consecutive first-team all-defense joint stop. So, Jordan, nine-time first-team, all defense selection, three-time steals leader, second most blocks by a guard in NBA history, won his first defensive player of the year in 1988, same year he won his first MVP. So we're going to play a game of facts or cap.

Brandon, I'm going to start with you. Michael Jordan wasn't all that good of a defender. Facts or cap? That's a fact. Oh, Lord. That to start with you. Michael Jordan wasn't all that good of a defender. Facts or cap? That's a fact. Oh, Lord. That's a fucking fact. And what leads you to believe this? It's crazy.

I just feel like his dominance on the offensive end just took over anything he did on the court. If it came to defense, you know, like guys like, like you said, Kenyon Martin, you Martin, Rasheed Wallace, and all these guys who really are defensive players, I'm going to take advice from them before I take advice from Mike when it comes to the defensive end. But that doesn't mean he didn't play defense or anything like that. I just feel like the first person I'm going to about defense is probably Gary Payton or guys like that. So I don't

consider him like this great defensive player to me I just think overall he's just dominant okay Alexi Michael Jordan wasn't all that good of a defender facts or cap um I'm just I'm only gonna say cap because I haven't really I haven't watched a ton of Michael Jordan in his like entirety But nine nine time first, that's what I'm saying all defense selection I'm a I'm a firm believer in not speaking on things that you don't have a lot of information on and that's like where I'm Out with it. So the information that I do have and the things that I have seen him do I Believe that he was an elite defender. Okay. You can also abstain.

Maybe in this era, he wouldn't be considered one of the elite defenders, but in the era he played in, I think so. But again, we was talking about the blue guys, the high IQ guys. I don't think he was one of those. You don't think? Ooh. As far as the net player. That's what he was.

You think he was? That's what he was. You think he was? That's what he was? He was really good at that? So what Rasheed Wallace is really pointing out, so you see he's isolated by Iverson, right? So you're saying he was a high-level net player, but as far as one-on-one stuff, he wasn't the best. Okay, so that's why I said sometimes we're judging people

on the individual matchups, where the individual matchups is not the whole picture. Right. Right? You're talking about when we're thinking about Michael Jordan, when there's a key stop to be made, he's making it. You know, snapping back on Karl Malone, right, right to get that steal to go win the game, right? Making that the block right. He was the actual net guy as an individual

guard Pippen was a better defender on the ball, right? Right? He was a better defender on the ball Michael Jordan awareness of defense was great, right? How come we don't see more net guys getting shown love in today's NBA? Now it's all the centers who block shots and get defensive rebounds, and it's like the P.J. Tuckers. Obviously, Marcus Smart just won defense player of the year, but they're considered pesky, but they're not considered elite.

Because what happens is, all right, so let's say Michael Jordan, right? You have a Michael Jordan on your team. A Michael Jordan wouldn't guard, right? He wouldn't guard a Kawhi Leonard, or he wouldn't guard, let's say, LeBron James if there's a Vando on the court, right? You're going to put him on Vando and he's just... He's so good at that. Then he's going to say, all right, Vando only takes two shots a game.

I'm going to roam. Now you have Michael Jordan roaming during the game, right? That's not what you wanted, right? So he's the one sitting there netting, coming back, snapping back because his guy's only shooting two shots a game. So when he had guys like that, you know, so why you think he makes the, think about when he made his first all-defensive team. It's the year Mike, Scottie Pippen comes to the game. Okay. Got it. He wasn't considered a defensive player until Mike, Scottie Pippen comes, because now him and Scottie Pippen can do exactly what they're,

when he's on the ball, Scotty Pippen, you follow me. Scotty Pippen, when you have the ball, I'm netting everything up, right? So they had a great system. So he's no different than like a Drew Holiday where I'm the net guy. I'm making sure this guy don't come,

Pat, what's the name? Patrick Ewing likes to go this way. I'm making sure this guy don't come. What's the name? Patrick Ewing likes to go this way. I'm going to come this way. But if you try to take him off the dribble man to man, that's where his exposure was when you had high-level guys. Remember, in the 80s, you didn't have 3 and D guys. You didn't have the 3-level guys where he has to guard you shooting a 3. For the most part, let's say John Starks, right? John Starks didn't dribble like that.

So when John Starks pumped fake, he didn't take them off the eatable. Where's John Starks going, right? Like, think about it. What moves did they have in the 80s? That's what I'm saying. So, like, I didn't know he was that kind of player based on what is shown to us and what I've said about Michael Jordan. I had no idea that that's how he played defense and that's how he got all those accolades.

Yeah, he was a wrong guy. So when you see him on someone like Iverson, right, Iverson gets the best of him because Jordan wasn't used to that type of player yet. Like when you got Grant Hill coming down and he's crossing over Jordan like hold on this is that yes, this your type. Let me go net right in Jordan's defense though Anybody garden Iverson one on one. No, no, no, but I'm saying so it's not it's not the one-on-one So what what what Rasheed Wallace is seeing is he's seeing the one-on-one individual Player going at him not realizing it's everything that

Jordan's bringing. He does. Snapping back, making sure you're not going to do this. You remember when Kenya was saying, I'm going to stop Booker, you're going to have to pass it to Nurkic. Nurkic is going to have 60. That's Jordan. Booker is the number one option.

Right? So I'm going to be up on Booker. You're going to have to pass it to Nurkic. So if Nurkic is busting Jordan's ass because that's his matchup, Nurkic is like he busts Jordan's ass when Jordan's whole thing was to make sure Booker and KD don't get off. Right? So he's willing to give this dude them points so he can stop this guy. So you have to really put that into equation when you're talking about defensive players But once you get one, you know, the NBA is like this

Once you win one award That's what you are. Yeah, right you win a defensive player award Wren then you get the benefit of the doubt every time time. The refs give you the benefit of the doubt. If you are defensive player of the year, what the fuck do you think you get to do when you come back the following year? Hack the fuck out of everybody. Pull, grab, do. You get the benefit

of the doubt, which means because you're getting the benefit of the doubt, when they're talking about defensive player of the year or defensive teams, you get that award. If you're a bad defensive player, the year, or defensive teams, you know, you get the benefit. You get that award. If you're a bad defensive player, you get that stamp, right? No matter what Harden does, bad defensive player. There's nothing you can do.

He can go out there and get 20 stops in a row. Bad defensive player. Because that's the narrative. That's the narrative. So, you know. So, when it comes to Michael Jordan, wasn't all that good of a defender, do you say fax or cap?

Cap. Okay. Yo, so if Mike was playing today, who would he have to guard on the Suns? If Jordan was playing today. Right, and the Bulls was coming to town, right? And the Bulls was coming to town. Right. Okay, so if Bulls was coming to town, he would guard Grayson Allen.

What if Grayson Allen was not on the Suns? But, like, why wouldn't you guard Devin Booker? And he's going to guard you. Because... Because... He's a net guy. Of all three of them... He's the guy who's going to be on every snapback.

He's the guy who's going to go for the block. He's the guy who's going to go for the charge. So, Scottie Pippen might not be great at those. So, Scottie Pippen, you're great on the ball defender. He's guarding Booker. So, you're guarding Booker. So, whoie Pippen might not be great at those. So, Scottie Pippen, you're great on the ball defender. He's guarding Booker. So, you're guarding Booker. So, who's guarding Bill?

Ron Harper? Oh, he'll guard Bill. MJ will guard Bill. Or MJ is going to guard Bill. Or MJ is going to guard Bill. Whatever allows MJ to just run through the rest of the plays. Because that's what he was great at. So, if he's guarding Bill, Ron Harper is not a great snapbacker. He's not a great net guy.

You know what I mean? So let the on-ball defenders be great on-ball defenders. Let the net guys be net guys. So you're positioning for the betterment of the team. Here's why Detroit was great. Because of one player, right? Rasheed Wallace. Okay.

Right? And people would think, like, how did Rasheed make them that much better? Because he put everybody back in their right element, right? So imagine being a train track, right, and two wheels is off, right? You're not moving as fast, right? He put everybody back in alignment, which was this. Ben Wallace, right, wasn't a great on-ball defender

in the post. Smaller. I mean, he's strong, but he was smaller to the point where people can pump fake him, he's going to jump and dunk, right? He was a great weak side help guy, right? He was a net guy. He was a great guy helping, stopping, right? He was a net guy. He was a great guy helping, stopping, I'm going to stop the pick and roll.

When you hit him in the post and Tim Duncan has him here, that's not his thing, right? Rasheed Wallace was a great on-ball defender, right? You couldn't trick Rasheed. Post up, pull a chair, this guy, right? So now you have a great on-ball defender. Now Ben Wallace is in his perfect role. Help, slide, go there, go there. I got your help. Hey, make him shoot over you. He challenges. Hey, Rasheed, stay down. I'll challenge it, right? So now you have him playing in his perfect position, and now you have a team that is hard to score on

right now if you say all right ben wallace you're on the ball against shack and um rashid you help all right shack tortures both of them because one you're too small too little rashid don't jump that high so shit i'm dunking on both of y'all other way around Rasheed. Hold his ground. He's longer So Shaq has to go up there now now you have been Wallace coming with the extra Arms, so when it comes to she'd saying Jordan wasn't all that good of a defender stop the cap So good. We all know you're feeling up to cap. We all know your feelings towards 80s NBA basketball Does the defense in the 80s and 90s get inflated because people don't want to admit the offense was kind of mid no that's that's that's the thing right it's that's that's the real thing. I hate calling it mid though because at that time it was very high level basketball being played but as life goes on like we can admit like it wasn't that

high VHS players were kind of mid they were great for their moment what I'm saying is not like Nintendo was the shit when it came out. No what I'm saying is not it's okay It's high level. No, no, no, we can't it's high level for them for that era. It's for that era Yeah, right. So we have to take in for the era itself what everybody did then, everybody was high level. Okay, but the reason just overall defense looked better, just understand that they did not have players like a Steph Curry in the league. Right? They didn't have a Westbrook. They didn't have Dames.

They didn't have these type of guards. One guard, for the most part, Isaiah Thomas, right? Who was a guy who was triple threat, but for the most part, he was getting in, getting out. He had a field day, right? Right? So when we think about if there's one guy out there and his name is Isaiah Thomas, and he's having a fucking field day at the guard position, what happens when the generation of more like him is coming in bigger so if he had a field day let you know what his competition really was because right he's only six what six one six two little but he's getting everywhere because what he's doing is different than everybody else

everybody else you know when he's guarding kerr kerr yeah yeah dj armstrong like how i mean are we really having this discussion? You know, when they say Curry and these guys can play in an era, do y'all know that there was players like BJ Armstrong averaging 15 and 16? What the fuck are you talking about? There's guys like Steve Kerr sitting there running around. Steve Kerr can't run around in today's game. Say Kevin Johnson.

Those guys can't. What happened when Kevin Johnson came? What happened with Tim Hart when you had guards who actually knew how to school? Who were offensively? Scores they took advantage of the lack of Guard defense, but there was never really three type of scoring, right? Right, right, right the three-point line those got the three-point line was longer than it is today People don't realize that it was 24 feet. So where people are shooting from now like the danger

That's what a three-point line really was. Oh shit. Really? It was 24 feet Today is 22 feet back and win back 24 feet came in 94 When Jordan we when Jordan retired for the first time that's what oh we need more scoring move it up So these guys can shoot that shit was was that far? It was far. So they wasn't shooting. So they probably didn't want to shoot that shit anymore. Right, I'm about to say, that's probably why they wasn't shooting that shit.

So now, when you think about defense, where are you picking the guy up from? So, treat everybody like, alright, the point guard position. Treat everybody more like a rondo. Okay. Where you picking them up at? Frito line. So right now, if picking them? But, but. Frito line. So right now, if I'm picking you up at the Frito line and you're not really allowed to

shoot like that, right? You're trying to dump it in for this. I'm here. I get to really be here. Pass it to the post where if you're trying to break me down, I know I can pick you up and you can't go to the basket. Right? Think about it.

If I know you can drive, I get to do what to you? Overplay you. Defensively. Yeah. I get to really pressure you because I know no matter what I do, Derek Fisher, where are you going to go? Shaq is down there. Shaq is like, hey, Kobe's somewhere over that mother. Like, whoo-hoo.

Right? So I know you can't take me off the dribble. So I'm going to pick you up. I'm going to pressure you knowing that I can be so aggressive because I know you can't go nowhere. Right. Today's game. Right. You can't do that.

Because I'm scoring. Like I'm in I'm in 2001, y'all. Not 80. 2001. And the guards that I was playing against wasn't scoring. They were lunching me. That's why I said, like,

Iverson was considered a two. The second best scorer was, when I first started, would have been, like, Mulberry. Other than that, it was Mike James, who's not an all-star. You know what I mean? That was the second best scoring guard

in my era yeah right so think about like think about the evolution of the evolution right right so it's it's it's it's easier to guard them because they didn't shoot the three now you have like i have to guard them at the goddamn half court i have to pick up then. Before then it's like, I'm not Derek Harper. I'm not guarding you out there. Ron Harper? What the fuck am I going to pick you up at the half court for? I'm just going to sit back here.

You're going to do the pick and roll? Do y'all see where what's-her-name's pick and roll was? If you want to understand how spacing was and how guards were there, the great John Stockton, look where he did pick and rolls at. The free throw line.

Inside, I'm about to say. He's going to walk all the way down to the free throw line because they're going to back up. Like, shit, you can't shoot, but back up all the way. And then he's going to run his pick and roll at the free throw line. Pick and roll right here. I can shoot a free throw. I wish we could run a pick Let Derrick Rose get to the free throw line when did let John Moran get to the free throw line and start his pick and roll She'll ever us for us book back then you can't even don't even think about letting Steph get to the free throw He and start his pick and roll. Should have left Russell Rustberg back then. You can't even, don't even think about letting Steph get to the free throw line.

He done shot that motherfucker 40 times already. Y'all going to back up? Right? So because of the three-point line, because of the players gotten better at that skill, it makes it harder to guard. That's all. It's not like, right, Jordan, like,

Jordan was limited in what he did, and he lunched me. Yeah, he's still top. Right, don't't forget forget the moves Let's just say Jordans signature thing what he did One to dribble pull up. It wasn't fancy, right? It wasn't shaking big. I was just right sick basically. Huh? I'm fake jab one to dribble pull up skill It was just kill

Once you pull up. Skill. It was just skill. Ha, ha, ha, ha. One-two, pull up, right? He averaged 35, 37, 30. Dude, this is that. You couldn't stop that. So what the fuck are you talking about? You couldn't stop the one thing that he did. It's not like you made Jordan pump fake, pump fake, slip under, throw it off the back.

He didn't have to do none of that. Oh, shit. Pull up, right? Pull up. Slip under throw it off the back. He didn't have to do none of that Who oh shit Pull up right Pull up like he he was so basic because your defense didn't stop didn't affect him in his ability You're six for non-athletic. He's six six athletic and shit. So when he decided to pull up there was nothing you really doing with it Okay, you talked about pick and roll before Let's pick Four more people to give some bread on Gil and roll them over see that money There's no gives arena 500,000 subscribers to celebrate the start of black history month

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Defense is like this, listen. The best offensive players, besides just a great defensive mind, the second best defensive player mind on the court is a great offensive player, right? So when you think about MJ, when you think about Bird, when you think about Kobe, the AIs, right? They have to know defense to the point where they can manipulate it. Right?

I need to know what you do on pick and rolls. I need to know how fast this guy. I need to know who's on the back line. I need to know if he, does he take charges? He does blocks. What's your scheme? Which for me to be effective in my scoring. Right?

So I need to know what defense, no matter if I don't play the shit. If you don't think James Harden is a great great defensive mind and something's wrong with you right he's so great that he knows bop bop bop i'm gonna put the ball you're gonna reach i'm gonna put my hand because he knows human behavior he knows you gotta lean me here because he knows if i snatch back here you're not gonna have this guy like kairi's mind defensively he how your feet are supposed to be for him to shift you. Right? And I don't think people understand that part. To be great at defense, you need to know the blueprint. I mean, to be great at offense, you need to know the blueprint of defense very well.

Who's your top five defenders ever in the NBA? Ever? Yeah. Just like, or top three. Like your favorite defenders, whatever, that you just felt like. Where do you guys, you studied just to see how they played, it would make you a better offensive player. Yeah.

That you played against. To make me a great offensive player? Yeah, that you played against. Yeah, how about that? That I played against. So I never really played against Jordan. Right. Right, so I can't, you know, I mean.

That's fine. I was at Kobe. Rajah Bell. Karolinko. He guarded you? Yeah. Okay. Karolinko.

Shit, or Iguodala. Either one of those two at the three. I want it would dollar I mean, that's for I mean, I mean that's for right there. I mean so At the five I would say Shaquille O'Neal No, no, I'm just saying just like that you had to go up against that you felt like you know So that I had to go yeah. Yeah, yeah that you not like that you like no, I'm talking about that Oh, I like that guarded you like so I'll say banks Picking me up full court. Thank you. I got good. It's right out. That's a legend Marcus Cold right because when I say greedy listen don't care about my scoring is what I did But remember my scoring against what I did.

But remember, my scoring comes because I'm studying how he plays defensively. Right. Right? I just had an advantage over him, but as a defensive player, what he did. Marcus Bates was a bulldog, by the way. Shit. Same thing with Rajah. Rajah. Karolinko. And Iguodala.

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the individual on-ball defense. But everybody don't got to agree. That's what makes... No, I mean... It's just like some people are great in their area. Who's a great defender right now as a big man?

Lopez, right? He was first team? Or Jaron Jack, right? Mm-hmm. AD. Right? AD, yeah. Not Rudy Gobert. No, Jaron Jack won

player of the year, right? Yeah, last year. Yeah, defense. You think he can stop Kevin Durant? You think he can stop Tatum? No.

You think he can stop Luka? Not. Hell no. He can't guard those guys, so he's good in the element that he's good. Protecting the rim, being the help guy, whatever. He's good in his area.

So when Rasheed's talking, he's talking from the area that he's looking at. And that area is on ball, probably on ball, defending the isos. Yeah, so why don't guards show more love for that? Because that's essentially what the big players are doing You know, but they're blocking shots obviously so it's been getting rebounds But the guards are essentially doing the same like probably the best team defensive player that I Played against as a big man. I mean the big man is probably wild thing ratio

right ratio a big man, I mean a big man, is probably wild thing, Vrajal. Right, Vrajal. Vrajal gave me troubles. Vrajal Rondo? No, Vrajal. With the hair? Anderson. Varejal? Varejal.

Okay, with the hair. What I'm saying is, no, no, I, what I mean gave me fits is where I'm trying to go. He's there already. He's there already. I'm trying, like, when I go to the lane, like, okay, ooh, I got LeBron on me. You know, he don't move very well left to right compared to me. Boom, I'm gone. Oh, shit, Virage, y'all trying to take a charge. Right?

So now I can't go. All right, let me go this side. Virage, y'all are sitting there like, damn, this motherfucker a tracker? Motherfucker bloodhound. I got a bloodhound right here. So I'm pretty sure if I ask him, when you played against me, what was your job? And if he says his job was just to track my movements, it made sense. Whenever he was on the court, I had to think more.

So, Gil, we have a Mostly Fans question from one of our producers. He said, can you ask Gil what Virgil's first name is? Anders, Anders, uh, Ander. It starts with A. Oh, you got it. Right? Anderson. Yeah.

Good job. Have y'all noticed? I just call, I say last names. I don't really, y'all fuck your first name up. You fucked his last name up, too. Shout out. Last names are easy. I feel like last names are easy.

Just, like, get in. Don't, like, just say, yo, get in. You're like, Andrew. Like, how many fucking Andrews are there? Shout out to Kedrick Perkins and Kedrick Lamar. But women, you got to say. Giannis' last name is tough. That's a Tocompo.

That's a Tocompo. Saying that throughout a game is crazy. It's hard. And Justin Bieber. That was my favorite one. Justin Bieber? Bieber. Justin Bieber

Doing that shit on purpose, that's why we appreciate you I still can't I even though I know is the the Aaron Fox if I'm just saying it y'all know who the fuck I'm talking Oh, I think it's the Jalen Brown day After when you be fucking having up. That's most of the time we be talking about Jalen Brown. But you be throwing shit. So, Gil, you mentioned Luka a second ago. Let's talk a little bit about Luka. During a recent radio interview, Mavs head coach Jason Kidd offered his thoughts on where Luka stands in comparison to some of the greats.

So, J. Kidd said the following. Luka is better than Dirk. He's in the atmosphere of MJ. The best to ever do it, LeBron, Kobe. So, here's Luka compared to MJ, Kobe, and LeBron based on where each of their players was. At the same age. At the same exact age. 90, what is it?

9,000. The same thing you did with Steph. Yeah. 104, or based on their sixth season. So, LeBron more games, followed by Jordan, Kobe,

Luka. MJ leads the points per game average, but Luka is second with 28.3. Luka leading in rebounds, Luka leading in assists. MJ smacking everybody in steals.

Well, let's get to some. What is a V-O-R-A? What is that? Value over replacement play. What the fuck does that mean? Don't worry about it. There's a hundred other things here.

Okay. Nothing. Oh, yeah. Value over... What does the atmosphere of MJ mean? What does that mean? Is it the same atmospheric... The ozone layer?

He said, like, a lot of... Oh, atmosphere, meaning, like like he's in the goat debate. That's the atmosphere. He's in that type of... So, Luka still has a whole half season to go, but let's just take a look. Jordan the only one with championships. He had three at that point. Or no, excuse me, Kobe had three at that point.

I was going to say Jordan had three. I was going to say, smoking crack, Gil. You gave me a mimosa. I told you, don't put nothing in my bag. You gave me a mimosa. Just give me straight OJ. But, so MJ first team, All-NBA

four times. Luka likely will get that to five this season, but it's four. Then All-Star selections, Luka will be at six, I believe, or did they correct it to five? It's five. So Luka obviously got in this year. MJ leading. Am I here slurring this shit, giving away money?

Now, if you really want to, listen, media, if you really want to make Luka really good, why don't you just go by the same age? See, if you go by the same age, he looks better than Jordan. So that's, so wait, what's that? Sixth season. So Luka's five and a half. Luka's five and a half season deep, everyone else is six season. So if you want him to look better than MJ in this type of thing...

So how old was MJ in his... Six season MJ was... MJ didn't win a ring, he was seven. Remember MJ came in the league at 22. Luke is only 23. Now. Luke is 24, he'll be 25 at the end of Black History Month. February 20th. Luke has no rotation this season.

So Michael Jordan was 26 in his sixth season. So if you do it by 23, that means you cap Jordan off to- Again, 24, give him 25 at the end. Oh my God, man. I'm not doing this for you. But I'm just saying. I'm not. That's what I'm saying.

If you really want to push the narrative these little stats out They just they manipulate so many things because it's a for them to spit out a sentence I'm not gonna tell you right now if I'm a fan looking at this as Of right now, I'm gonna say Lucas better Because Luca came in at 18. So if his numbers are just like this you 22 when you came in so you was an older player Luka also had a EuroLeague MVP before he came to the league I don't know what that means, but I don't know what that has to do with the NBA

I'm just but I'm what I'm saying is one is a kid one is an adult it has to do with What I'm saying is one is a kid one is an adult when they came in. So when MJ comes in, MJ has to be great. Luka had a chance, like Kobe, right? But if you just say, all right, Luka at the same age, well, this is not even close. This is not even close to bait at this point. Only person who's comparable to him is LeBron. So we'll go.

Question for the group. Facts or cap? Another round. Jason Kidd saying Luke is better than Durkin in the atmosphere of MJ, LeBron, and Kobe. Facts or cap? Brandon, we'll start with you. Start with Lexi. Based on the

information you've just sent. I don't fucking know. I don't like these facts or cap questions. Look, we're trying to get sponsorships We try to give some better AC I don't agree with the entire statement, but I mean, I think Luka is going to be one of the NBA greats when it's all said and done. So can we interpret that as a fact? Sure, we'll say facts.

Facts over here too. Facts. I don't know how Brandon got that. 77. This is, I know it's- That was a trinket of Lexi's arena, Brandon. I know it's Black History Month, but this is the only probably... Luca, Luca...

...Pont Cajun that we're going to see cooking. I did an interview with Tim Hardaway Jr. last year. Oh? He said Luca has ample Negro tendencies, not to say that he can get an off-sport... For sure. ...or get it to go play, but that he has several... He can definitely get it to go play. And he needs to go to service pool, too.

He took a picture with my son back... He was cool. He was cool, too. At service pool? No, no, no, I'm saying at the game. I'm saying he needs to go to service pool and eat. Yeah, he has permission from Brandon Jennings to go to service pool.

For sure. But service pool's been a little gentrified anyway. No, no, no, no. I mean, you know, that's what happens. Respectfully. Respectfully. We got to keep growing as everybody growing. Delicious restaurant. We going to keep growing as everybody growing. Delicious restaurant.

But we going to keep our black-owned business. Delicious restaurant deserves all the love that it can. If you ever in Inglewood, hit up the serving spoon. Very, very delicious. I used to roll with the catfish back in the day. Now I live in Woodland Hills. All we got is coyotes out here. Soul food very scarce in this area.

Sure. We need to bring a, you know what's crazy? We need to bring a soul food spot to Woodland Hills. There's a lot of black folks that live out here. That, you know. You know. You know, tough crowd eats Not even a Popeyes in the vicinity got it. No, they got Louisiana fried chicken down the street

You know, you know, we need like a golden bird, you know some BRB. I don't think the Rams will want that They're trying to you know, best we could do is like some hot chicken So Gilbert arenas I'm seeing I'm seeing your poll and your poll is is is you're looking at my poll. Yeah, pause your poll Your poll is jaded because the first statement is the one that was actually important is he better than dirt dirt dirt new whiskey First statement is the one that was actually important. Is he better than Dirk? Dirk. Dirk Newiskey, ladies and gentlemen. I'm thinking Dirk Diggler.

Is he better than Dirk? At that age, yeah. No, yeah. Him and Dirk Newiskey are not even the same planet at the same age. Yeah, for sure. They're not. It's not even close. And what I'm saying is it's not even close close right when Lucas done if he just if he keeps

Up or just do whatever One championship no championship. He has a statue out there These are not even even they're not even the same building and so you think statue regardless if he brings a chip So listen does that you think before we go to statue the statue thing? So you think in this error you think more cats to get a statue even if they don't win it? You're the owner. It's all about what that player did for you. No, but I'm saying, do you think players today have played to a higher, like, you know,

like, do you think what Lucas has done so far, do you think that he could, like, he's on his way to getting a statue? Even if he doesn't win a ring. So say he just beat number one in scoring or I mean I don't know or whatever it is I don't know I mean you dirt eight points his first year 17 21 23 25 21 right that's dirt new ice cream right right right let me one do again at So basically, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, right? Yep. 8, 17, 21, 23, 25, right? Luca. Luca. 21.

14 points more the first year. 28, 27, 28, 32, 34. They're not even in the same realm, realm right at this stage of their at the stage in their career they're not even on the same planet like right now right now same tracking Luca is the best player that ever went through Dallas I'm sorry but that's just the fact right at this point at this point in time for sure he is the best player that ever went through Dallas, period. It's not even close. But I think this is the issue. Everybody watch out.

This is the issue a lot of people have, and they'll try and manipulate this quote and take it and make it something it's not. But all we can do is base Luka on this point in his career. Obviously, we can't project in the future, but based on that trajectory of where he's at right now. This is what I do. All right by the age of 24 If you want to see how good a person is a young person, right? Yeah So when you want to see how good Luca is remember we're judging Luca when you compare them to Jordan You're comparing them to Jordan. Right. Everything. Kobe, everything.

LeBron, everything. Right? Obviously, he needs 14 more years to finish his career, 10 more. Won't you do this? If you want to see how bad the man is, stop their careers at the same age, everyone. So everyone by the age of 24, stop it and see where he ranks among the greats. Then you will realize how special LeBron was, how special Luka is, how special Tatum is. Because when you shut everybody down at the same age, you can really see who they are.

You can really see what they are because when you're comparing them you're comparing them to people who's finished already So when you say well, he ain't why is he talking about Michael Jordan Michael Jordan six-time ring day? Of course, it's easy to do that right shut everybody down where Lucas at right now then say, all right, let's see where they are Then you can see what trajectory they really are on So when you when you when you look at Jason Kidd, remember he's a basketball player, so he's thinking the same way. At this same age, this is the

group he's in. There's not a lot of people in that group at that age. Like Magic. Magic was 20 when he came in. Michael Jordan was 22. So when he won a championship, he was younger than most of the folks. I mean, even looking at Magic's career and I think why we in L.A. and across the

world too hold him in such high esteem is, came in right away, finals MVP, what he did for the city, again opening up a movie theater in the hood, unlimited strawberry soda refills later on. That strawberry soda refill shit, man. Like, Brent, you ever been to a movie theater before Magic where they unlimited strawberry soda refills later on. That strawberry soda refill shit, man. Like, Brent, you know, we can go to the- You ever been to a movie theater before, imagine where they have strawberry soda? For sure, we can go to the Golden Bird, though.

And they have the Golden Bird in the same complex. The Golden Bird. See, that's some real L.A. shit. See, we got to take her to the Golden Bird. She got to go to the Golden Bird. You been to TGI Friday. I don't even think it's the Magic TGI Friday. That's some L.A. shit, the Golden Bird, only-

But yeah, TGI Friday is looking like Super Bowl. We need to go to Watts Coffee House over there by the Drew League. The five rings, MVPs, what he was able to do in such a short amount of time, even after the situation during the epidemic going on back then, being able to come back, drop a triple-double. But he won his greatness before. Listen, people, here we go. When you're trying to identify what talent is, here we go.

Magic Johnson came in at the age of 20, right? He was compared to Larry Bird. There's a reason Magic is in front of Larry. Larry Bird's 23. Magic is 20. By the time Magic turned 23, he was a two-time champion, right? Finals MVP, right? Was he a finals MVP that first year? Yeah, his rookie year. Finals MVP, a two-time champion, three-time all-star by the age of 23 when Larry Bird was a rookie at that age. They're not on the same planet. People don't think about that. People think, oh, it's fair to judge someone that's 20 versus someone that's 23. The 23-year-old's supposed to have an age. So the fact that 20 is even close to it lets you know how great 20 is.

People don't ever want to talk about that. Larry Bird came in at the age of 23 years old. Old ass man in a sense. Compared to Magic. By the time Magic turned 23, Magic was already damn near established as a fucking Hall of Famer.

I'm a finals MVP, a champion, three time all. We're not even the same planet, old man. That's really how it is. I'm sorry, but that's... When you think about it like that, right? For sure. Yeah, you're both rookies.

Oh, this is what you're rookies to give. This nigga's old as fuck. At 23. Ten years later, he's old. My back. My back is done. Ten years, he's 45. My back.

My back. You know, and that's just the reality. You might say, my back. But years, he's 45. My back. My back. You know, and that's just a reality. I might say my back. But that's just a reality. And when people say... 73 years old. When people say, damn, why is Magic still there?

Because when you start breaking it down, you realize that, yeah, when you're older, you have an advantage. And you have to be great now. So the fact that he was great when he didn't supposed to be great. Luka was great at an age where he wasn't even accounted for.

So when it comes to J-Kid saying Luka's in the same atmosphere as MJ, OB and Luka. Facts. Girl, you said facts. I said facts, but the chat says. You're saying cap? Hell yeah, because they didn't use better than dirt, what Jason Kidd said.

Yeah, the initial statement, better than dirt what Jason kids Yeah Yes I don't agree with the whole statement. She's right now. So we'll give you Right now. Yes. He's better than dirt today Is he in the same atmosphere as MJ Kobe and LeBron at a compromise at a common age? Comparable age your what at a common range your how old is he? 24 24 be 25 is so so Kobe had won age. At a comparable age? Comparable age. At a comparable age. How old is he? 24. 24 would be 25.

So Kobe had won his third ring by what age? 25? I think before. 24. You hate accounting. He's not better than a Kobe at 23. But I'm like, when you talk about an average beer deal, you got to include a champion. Here's all these gentlemen in their 60s and Kobe, three championships, only one first team. I'm just saying, Kobe at 20. No, no a champion. Here's all these gentlemen in their sixth season. Kobe, three championships, only one

first-team All-NBA. I'm just saying, Kobe at 20. No, no, no. I mean, hey, man. When y'all do stuff like this... What you mean, bro? No, when I'm saying... No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. When I'm saying... No, when I'm saying, when they do stuff like this, this is when... Let me see this first so I can give it to you for real. This is ESPN

stuff right here, right? There's a reason... That's Steve's shit. Steve did that in this is this is that hair basketball game right like like you're comparing him because he he's gotta remember one's only played 370 games right so I'm saying at the same age like it's the reality is one is older like like like like Kobe right it makes it look bad it makes it look like Kobe wasn't dominant because you're counting his first two seasons that Steve doing us. Yeah, but you yeah We're just talking six No, no, you, no, no. You can't do six seasons. They're fucking up in the back. The reason you can't do six seasons is because three of these guys, right, came in at 18.

The guy who's leading it was in high school at this age. So what do you want me to do? So what I'm saying is you can make one look way better than the other because at the same age These guys were playing NBA basketball when one was a freshman in college Luca already Luca has already been playing professional basketball since he was 11 years old So when you say the first three years three of them don't one is in college basketball one is in an NBA So they don't support No, so they don't supposed to play basketball at this age. So when when Jordan comes in he's 22

Okay, well His ass overseas age do the same age because if we say who was the better 18 year old LeBron James or Jordan Luca or Jordan Kobe or Jordan? You got to name the guys who was in the NBA at that age. You can't name the college guy because he's playing. Six seasons. I didn't say age. Six seasons.

Three of them. Don't even. How about this? Bro, Luka been a pro since he was a little kid. LeBron James, six season? The six seasons. What is his age at that age? What what is his age at that age? What is Jordan's age at that age?

So how about this? Take off Luca Jordan or Luca LeBron and Kobe's first four years. Because that's Jordan's college years. And then go

when they average 31, 35, 35, 35, then you can see what they look like. That's Jordan's college years. And then go when they average 31, 35, 35, 35. Then you can see what they look like. That's why I said it's easier to say same age because Kobe at 18 is coming off the bench. Well, that would have been his first year at UNC like Jordan was. You can't do that. You can't compare a 22-year-old to an 18-year-old. That's the reason why I said these Europeans be kicking our ass. They've been pros since they were younger.

You can't knock that young... You can't knock Luka off because of his past. No, I don't know what you're talking about. I think you're elevating Luka. I'm elevating Luka. I'm saying you knock Jordan down because he's coming in at an adult age. As a grown man. And you're being compared to kids.

So, obviously, the kids are going to be hurt by it because they're not supposed to play. So, when Jordan comes in, Jordan comes in at 22, he gets to dominate. Well, Kobe can't dominate because he's 18. Gil, I think it's back to your point always that you look at it from a GM perspective. Like, when we talk about Wimby or Chet or any of these situations, you say, oh, this person is two years younger than this person, so we can't look at them both as the same rookie,

right? Because this person in theory has two more years. Now, we do it my way. Jordan comes in at 22. How much did he average? Yeah, but... Just so you can understand why it's unfair to everyone else What a Jordan average at 22 you think no matter how many no no you have the same year. I'm saying he's better

28 is Ricky. Okay, so he had his 28 at 22 at his 22 year old year. Yeah, Kobe average 28 at 22 You see what you or you right? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, so he averaged 20- He was four years into his career? Yeah. Okay. So he averaged 28 at 24. Or at 22. Yes. Now let's go LeBron James. At 22. At 22. 22, LeBron James averaged 27. Right? Damn, shit, he averaged 31 a year before that. Is that the year he went to the finals?

Yeah. Okay. So he averaged 27 the following before that. Is that the year he went to the finals? Yeah. Okay. So he averaged 27 the following year at that age, 22, but he averaged 31 the year before. Yep. Right? Now you go Luka at 22. So you'd prefer people to compare players by their age rather than seasons played. Luka at 22 averaged 28. Okay.

Just like everybody else. Everybody else. So when someone says he's in the realm, that's what Jason kid is doing right? He's put him in the realm So when you look at Kobe stats, you wouldn't have him averaging 19 points because when he was 18 and 19 He wasn't playing so you're using stats that But why are we using stats or anything? This shouldn't be surprising. This guy has been a pro since he was 11, 12 years old. So he should be able to come into the league and do this. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, why is this even a comparison? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, why does it matter at his age? It's like, this guy's been a pro since 15. No, he has an advantage. But when someone says, no, he's not in the realm, and then you break it down by age you see where he is He is in the realm Jordan at this age average 28

LeBron at his age average when he Colby at his age 28 when Jason kids says He's in his realm. That's what he means, right? So that's why I said so when you break it down like this and you give Kobe these disadvantageous stats because he's 18, 19, and 20, and 21, yeah, he's not MJ. If he got to go to four years of college and didn't come in and didn't play at that age of 22, then you get the check of stats. So the only thing you can do is say, all right, when did MJ come in? Okay, 22. All right, 22, this was the average.

23, 24. What did everybody else do at the same age? Now you have what Jason Kidd means. So the answer is actually yes. did everybody else do at the same age now you have what Jason kid means So the answer is actually yes, okay, he's in the same atmosphere in the same atmosphere at the same age So he is He is better than all of those. No, he's exactly dead on Dead on our bed at the same age. Well LeBron LeBron technically has advantage cuz shit at 21 he averaged 31.

That's MJ's junior year. Okay, okay. Brandon, give away some bread. You know, that's what I mean. Like, so when Jason Kidd says it, this is the algorithm Jason's going by. He's looking at the age. Like, we don't go by years because we know some guys like Wimby, right? Like, if I'm going to say, all right like Wimby, right? If I'm going

to say, all right, Wimby, I'm going to judge you on your rookie season. I can't judge you to Larry Bird. I can't judge you to everybody who came in at 19, and I'm going to say, all right, you're right there. LeBron was a little bit better than you. Luka was a little bit better than you. Magic had one more year. Right? So you're right on peak to where guys who are considered GOATs are. So is he the face? Who?

Of the NBA, Luka. They're not making a Euro face. Why not? Because he's a European. But why not, though? Why not, though? If we're talking about basketball, right? Okay.

Hold on, bro. All right, hold on. Okay. Here, let me get to the... Oh, there's still more? Yeah. Yeah, we're nowhere near. Yeah, let me just pick and then you can ask her just But we did a great job hooking people get it. So why can't I European like you represent about the best player and I'm not done so already download the app use promo code Gil

They will match your first deposit up to $100 because I say so you know when you when you talk about when you talk about liking people right when you know I got one right here goat Gill arenas with the dollar sign at the beginning goat Gill arenas is what it said yeah so to arena says no no goat Gill arenas my man Salinas arena and let's do it like this The reason I can't make him the face is like this. All right, we're going to take you, who you are, right, Brandon? Yep. Your style, how you came. All right, last one right here.

Dollar sign BJ I, no, BJ Iso, no, BJ is O'Kill. BJ is O'Kill's one. Number one. Yep, you goddamn right. I got 28 days to figure out if I'm going. The number one or the word? The number one.

If I take you and I say, we have Luka at what he's doing, and then I take you and your personality and your style and give you the same numbers, you will be rated higher for fans than he will Because I'm here no, no, no be just style of play your style of play how you play how you walk how you dude? Like I'm giving you the same exact numbers, right? Yeah, you will rate higher amongst kids

They don't want to buy your shoes over his, right? Because they can identify with your style more than his style, right? His style is great, but is it sexy to the kids, right? This popularity, this thing of the face is when I put you and make you the face, can I sell you to everyone? Can I sell you to the black community? Can I sell you to kids who can't make it? Can I sell you to...

Right? Yeah, yeah. Does the game translate? Is it exciting, right? It's like some people are just great at what they do, but they're not exciting watching. Tim Duncan was great. Best power forward ever to play this game.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Did anybody ever like actually watching his game? I know some Tim Duncan fans. I know one. I'm just saying. The Tim Duncan fans. Yeah.

When they made it to the championship, lowest ratings. You'd be like, oh, shit. Fucking Tim Duncan in this shit again. Right? Because it didn't rate well with people. Right? When we watched Lamar Jackson, we watched Patrick Jones, we watch Michael Vick, how they played the game got us watching, right?

Right. Yeah, so when you say this stuff, right, when you say about, like, being the GOAT and being the main player in the NBA, right, like, so, like, as a player, it's like, so you just do the best you can? No, you got to understand. Right, like at a. No, okay, so let's a player, it's like, so you just do the best you can? No, you got to understand. Right? Like at a. No, okay.

So let's do it like this. Because you can never be the face, right? And everybody's playing basketball, I'm sure, in the NBA, right? They want to be the face. Like, you want to be the guy. Yeah. Right? So.

Like if I told you, I said, all right, this is how to be the face. You have to say, all right, skill. Yeah. Right? Check. Yeah. Right? You have to have the look, check.

Right? You have to have the personality, check. Mm-hmm. Right? But I feel like there's a lot of things that have to align that you don't have control of. But you can't. I mean, definitely the machine behind you. No, but think about what checks are.

Because who thought that Steph Curry would be one of the faces of the NBA when he was in the game? He didn't. But if he's looking at the check marks, he can check off a bunch of boxes. Right. But a lot of things had to happen for him to get put in that position. Like the Warriors, the way they played, they had to win championships. No one thought the way that they was playing basketball was going to turn into all of this. But that's what I said.

He jumped in. But that's what I'm saying. He ended up checking off a bunch of boxes that he didn't... What's his name? So, like, let's say I'm Devin Booker, right? Yeah.

I have the game. Check. I have the look. Check. Do I have the personality? If I don't have the personality, now I know

what I need to do to get this checkmark off. Right? He has everything. He has the cars, the everything. Yeah, let me get the personality. Let me be more personable. cars, everything. Yeah, let me get the personality.

Let me be more personable. Hey, guys, boom, boom, boom. Now, you know, now I'm making kids like me so I can check that box off. So, Embiid, right? You get the check boxes off, right? That's what I'm saying. Like, so, Luca, right?

You got the game. Do you have the personality yet? Can I sell you? Everybody's, um, so so do you think everybody has like the same list but like some some people have to like double check like a certain box no makeup for like not having no the list is the list right i think the nba know too no that's what i said the nba know so like somebody like you know think about your kids right like what if you don't have the look but you have the personality in the game. It's not gonna happen

I mean, no, no. Yeah, it's not gonna happen. No, I get it. You know, you don't sell a ugly motherfucker. You can't Not sell anybody You can't sell Go ahead Please don't disrespect anybody. I say nobody ain't saying nobody. I'm just saying. Scoot over a little bit. I mean, so whatever you think is, I mean, that's still on you. Look at that jersey.

That's on you. Look at that jersey. Stop it. Stop it. What I'm saying, no, no, no. Please don't do it, girl. Please. Do not pant over that.

Do not pant. Brandon, you see that jersey? Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. Yeah. You can sell. If it has a personality, you can sell it. But that's what I'm saying. You has a personality you can You can sell it. Yeah, I think I like double check. Think about it like Joker right here. He comes off as stoic Yeah, right

But he comes off as a stoic dude that don't have no personality. That's not fun, right? now they're trying to set a person if he if he had the personality of Will Ferrell a Funny dude, right kissing babies I'm gonna throw this debate out there. I'm gonna let you finish But I'm gonna throw this one that that's gonna get everything cracking now So like like think about like the personality if he had that kissing babies high-five and doing that going to going on the sideline Falling drinking a beer that type of the fucking public would love that They do but that's not how he comes he comes in like fucking caveman. So hey, how you doing?

You're good. Nice. I hey, did you talk to me? No, and then you know, he goes and plays games So there's boxes. He can't check personally to be the face, right? Great player check Hall of Fame type of player, check. Personality, ah, no. Charisma, ah, no. Look, ah, no. What's the shoe deal? Does he got a shoe? Ah, no. Yeah, city matters too, right? The fuck I'm going to give you a shoe for? Who's the face in hip hop? The face in hip hop?

Yep. Who's the top three faces in hip hophop right now that you can sell and I'm gonna just that I you can sell that you can sell and always make but but but but but but but listen like when we talk about sell is about like how you want to make it do you want to be a gimmick do you want to be like always being somebody I mean just yeah just just I mean yeah, Mel man. Okay, so you got no figures you got Drake Selling I need to sell this person I'm just saying I'm just put this person out here and I can just make money and it's gonna be cool and it's gonna always But you always got to remember like how you moving the crowd so three, okay, so we got Drake Are they young or old don't matter it's just right just right now So three. Okay. So we got Drake. I might put Kanye in there.

Are they young or old? Don't matter. It's just right now. I might put Kanye in there. Y'all don't think A$AP Rocky's in there? Not anymore. Y'all don't think A$AP Rocky can move the meter like that? Not anymore. With who his partner?

No, no, no. I'm talking about who his partner is. No. No. So y'all looking at it the wrong way. Y'all looking at it the wrong way. No, no, no, no, no. So y'all looking at it the way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no Look, you're right away. No his partner is but the problem with that is

Has he capitalized on who his party? Yes, he has because in fashion But we because in fashion because a sad rocky has his own lane in fashion. That's what I'm saying Well, I said what was his last song? What was the last thing? No, but hip-hop but hip-hop has everything to do with sports and music, and sports, fashion, and music, right? So hip-hop is everything. So... A$AP ain't in sports.

Nobody? No, no, I'm not... If we're talking about the intersection, he's more... I mean, his wife, I mean, his girlfriend was just... I mean, his wife, whatever, I mean, his wife, girlfriend, whatever, was just performing at the Super Bowl, so I'm a part of sports. This is what music brings, sports. So I'm everywhere.

He not in sports. He lost, he lost, I'm everywhere. He not in sports. He lost, he lost, I'm just... I don't know. He had a chance to capitalize on, I'm dating Rihanna and this is my partner. Let me do what I do. Right? But the problem with it is, he did not do anything. What you mean he didn't? What album did he come out with?

I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But hip-hop is more than just music, though. It's everything. Like, for me, like, look, when we talk about hip-hop, right, we're talking about niggas that can move the meter. We're talking about Jay, Kanye, and we're talking about, like... But what did they stand on? I mean, Pharrell, Pharrell. What did they stand on?

But think about everybody your name and stood on what they were known for Also Jay's standard on his music then capitalized. It's more than music. Yeah, he's got it on his music It's more than just that and we're talking about the goat and we're talking about the most important people is more than just music What do you do outside of music that makes you pop don't even know who you are outside of music Yes, we do. We do know who Jay you do because you're in fashion No, no, but more than just fashion. Everything. Jay has started more than just music.

Kanye, more than just music. A$AP, more than just music. We don't know. I mean, shit, I put two babies in Rihanna. What I'm saying is... What the fuck are we talking about? That's a bar. How many albums did Kanye come out with when he met Kim Kardashian?

Way before then. No, how many did he... No, how many did he come with after? We're talking about after. All his fashion came after. Everything came after. He was already doing...

He was already in fashion before he met... But what I'm saying is... He brought fashion into the Kardashians. But he capitalized off of the... I'm meeting you.

You're boosting me up. I'm adding to it. For sure, for sure. Jay-Z, I got Beyonce. How many albums meeting you, you're boosting me up, I'm adding to it. For sure, for sure. Jay-Z, I got Beyonce, how many albums? Right, you didn't even mention that he was with Beyonce. How many songs? I mean, hey, I got a better route. My route is better.

I think about what I'm saying is, I'm using this platform and I'm building on it, right? Exactly. Now you're talking about, who else? Who else did you say? A$AP. No, there was one before, after. He said is it Kanye Pharrell for real, right? for real now so with with with Look at the steps that they take it with ASAP with ASAP

ASAP stopped what he was identified as what what is the Music is identified as fashion first He was he was it was a he was a nigga in Harlem, fashion, doing music, but it was fashion too also. Yes, the ear, but it was also fashion, the way he looked. Everything. Like, bro, music, fashion, and sports. If you don't have those three in your... If you don't have music, fashion, or art, you don't have...

He don't have music anymore. Bro, music is... Bro. You know what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? Like Kelsey and... What's her name, right? Cool.

Taylor Swift. And Taylor Swift, right? He's a football player first. Right. Football player first. Right. It's like him retiring and then doing what she's doing

and coming a fashion guy. No one... Be a foot... He's a football player first. Now, if he wants to build a fashion design after that because she'll help push it, it brings him into another

atmosphere. He had Rihanna. He has Rihanna. So why are you mad about it? Why are you not building music? Why are you and her not collabing? They are. They are. They're doing everything together. What music? What song? No, I'm not saying they have a song together. They have everything.

You're doing everything but what we know you for. The music already solidified. Now we're on some What music? What song? No, no, I'm not saying they have a song together. They have everything. You have everything. You're doing everything. But hold on, the music is already solidified. Now we own some other shit. That's the part of growth in your relationship. Rihanna is. No, but that's why you got to give respect to niggas in the industry like that. Because I'm willing to, I got enough nuts to be able to get this woman to be able to help me.

That's what everything's about in the universe. Fashion? I mean, fashion sports, I'm not going to just go basketball and then go get with somebody and start a brand that can't help me. What the fuck? What is this line?

No, but I'm saying that's why they looked at as important as into where they are. The growth, you got to look at. No, they are too. As a man. I'm sorry. Bro, as a man, bro, you got to. Bro, as a, bro.

If he came out with a CD. I mean, but as a man too, though, you got to as a man, bro, you gotta... Bro, as a... Bro. If he came out with a CD... I mean, but as a man too, though, you gotta have enough sense to be like, yo, listen. It's like Alicia... I mean, there's a lot of niggas that fumble the bag. I don't think that... Jermaine Dupri, fumble the bag with Janet Jackson. I mean, what the fuck are we talking about? I think Rihanna's growth would have remained the same. No, it wasn't. No.

I mean, yeah, her growth was, but she got the right person. But right. She got the right person, but his growth without her is not happening. It's the same. But that's what I'm saying. As a man and woman, you got to look at the respect as like, yo, I'm able to realize I got this and I'm not going to lose this. The girl? No, both.

Both. You lost your career. He did not lose his career. Okay, what song did he perform? How did A$AP Rocky... He just performed with an orchestra behind him, like in... What was his last album? Bro, he's coming out with an album this year.

Oh, that didn't... What I'm saying is you're speaking before it even exists. No, but I'm speaking because I've seen it. Right, Alicia Keys, right? Come on, man. Great musician. Great everything. She gets with Swiss beats.

Why are we fighting the route? What I'm saying is she gets with Swiss beats. My route is... Swiss beats, we think the music that's about to happen is about to be banging. What came? Nothing. A housewife? Yeah.

Nothing happened. So, yeah, she's in a better position as a wife and all of that. We're getting to other things. But the artist is- Why do I have to keep doing music? At the end of the day, I play basketball for nine years. I'm not even thinking about picking up a basketball. I'm in fashion now.

Why are we talking about, oh, well, when I get with this person, I got to keep hooping. No, fuck that. I'm on to the next thing. That's about the thing about life and growth. You can't- Why would A$AP- Have them. Fuck that I'm on to the next thing. That's about the thing about life and growth Like what I would a step like okay a step just keep rock rockin on Harlem and keep doing music Well, you should be wrong with the woman that you're with can't Know who said he's not who said they're not doing what they're doing Speaking of life and growth. It's time for us to grow and move on to mostly family

I'm gonna make me another day the fuck how many? How many... Wait, I just want to... I don't care about that chat. They talking about basketball. We talking about life. Life, you're just basically saying, yeah, my woman is bigger than me. I mean, no, I'm not saying my wife is, but God put us on this earth to be with a woman,

so figure it out. If she leaves you, what I'm saying is, if she leaves you, what does he stand on? Guys get with women that help them. If she leaves him, what I'm saying is if she leaves you, what does he stand on? Guys get with women that help them. If she leaves him, what does he stand on? Jay-Z stands on Jay-Z.

Beyonce, they got together. Of course, I'm not saying that, but he's bigger with her. So, Gil, we got a ton of bread to give out, but we got one mostly fans question. It's from Underdog User 14 Flat. Since Gil doesn't think Jalen Brunson is a star by his definition of a seat filler because he never said he didn't play like a star, if you were the GM and Brunson's contract was coming up, would you pay him the max? So no, Brunson's in the second season of his four-year $104 million. So wait, wait, say that again.

So if you were the GM and Brunson's contract was coming up, would you pay him the max? No, you said some shit before that. Since Gil doesn't think Jalen Brunson is a star by his definition of a seat filler because he never said he didn't play like A star okay, if you were the GM and Brunson's contract was coming up. Would you pay him the max? I never see right. Hey, this guy's smart. I never said he wasn't good I just said he wasn't a seat filler which is a star. Will I pay him the max? Yes No, Gil. Hold on. Hold on Yeah, no no, no, no, no, give hold on hold on Yeah, no no here no

No, he is a he's a see-filler. So when he go to books everybody's who I'm gonna go see Shannon Brunson, right? Okay Okay, I hear you. Okay, okay. All right, Ben. All right, I agree. All right, never mind. Never mind. Never mind. When you're taking your kids, you're taking your kids to go see Steph. You're not saying...

First of all, my kids are not even asking to go see Jalen Brunson. We're going to see Brunson. Like, nobody's doing that. Some people are going to see Jalen Brunson, a fine young man. No, I'm just being... The answer to your question...

Yes, you're getting a max. I'm paying him the max, yes. So he is a max level player, in your opinion? Yes. Okay. That's what I'm paying him the max, yes. So he is a max level player, in your opinion? Yes. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Everyone's confused.

I grabbed words to smoke. It's the Black History Month. Everyone's taking what we were saying. They took it somewhere else. And that's why I like the question, because you understood. I'm not saying he's not good. I'm saying he's not a star name. His talent is a star name.

He can put the ball in the basket. He can do what he wants. So if I got to pay somebody on that team $300 million, I'm not even Brunson. What's happening? Boom. Easy. What's happening? No question.

If I got to trade everybody and say keep one, Brunson. Yeah. Because I know what Brunson's going to give me. Brunson's going to do his damn thing. One thing that Brunson does that a lot of players don't do, right? You can't teach height and you can't teach not being afraid. One thing, he's not afraid to do whatever he want. He's not afraid to take the last shot He's not afraid to go get what he needs. That's why I say in the playoffs I know seven games five games bunts is coming to play. Okay. I can't rely on the rest of the motherfuckers for real

Okay, right, right. I know burns is coming to pay, so yes. You asked the right question. Will I pay him? Yes. Hey, basically, when he's done with his career, he can sit right here next to me. Jay LaBruncie, you are always welcome at Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog Fantasy. But before we leave, we got some more bread to give out to celebrate. More?

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Okay Photo girl to to to a be now with her on the side with that type of music In them video timing is everything because it could have faded because then they would have dropped some albums together and then not be together Time but I'm just saying keep it everything like what if it's a is everything because it could have faded because then they would have dropped them albums together and then not be together. Timing is everything. I'm just saying, keep it everything. Like, what if it's music? I think it's- X, like the letter X.

I think his timing now is- C, the letter C, 87. Because with music? No, with, he has music coming. Oh. And she still got R9. It hasn't been really, but I'm saying, at the end of the day, listen, at the end of the day.

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