Gil's Arena - Jimmy Butler's 2nd Suspension SHOCKS Gil's Arena!!

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Gil's Arena Debates Jimmy Butler's PERFECT Fit With The Phoenix Suns as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the Phoenix Suns mysterious trade to land 3 1st round picks and lay the ground work for a potential move to land the perfect piece to their system in Jimmy Butler. The GA Crew debates this fit for Jimmy alongside Kevin Durant & Devin Booker and discuss if swapping out Bradley Beal for Butler is the right move to save a floundering superteam. Next, they react to LeBron James' HISTORIC triple double as The King became just the 2nd player to record a triple double over the age of 40 and continued to make his mark on a turbulent Los Angeles Lakers season before breaking down Joel Embiid's decision to duck Nikola Jokic for the 6th season in a row, launching a hostile debate over who is the better hooper right now. Finally, they react to Kevin Durant's list of the top 5 pure hoopers in NBA History and name their own picks for the NBA legends with the smoothest game. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!!  Gil's Arena Crew - Josiah Johnson, Gilbert Arenas, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at https://gilsarenamerch.com/  Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena USE Code GIL for $20 off tickets on SeatGeek https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL To get YOUR FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag, go to https://ruffgreens.com & use Promo code GIL SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 2min Countdown 0:00:00 Player Introductions 0:02:02 Show Start 0:03:44 Rashad Brings The Crew Some Gifts 0:05:15 Jimmy Butler Continues To Troll Miami 0:10:36 Are The Heat Better Off Without Jimmy? 0:32:29 The Suns Are Pushing To Make A Big Move 0:38:40 Joel Embiid DUCKS Jokic Again 1:03:53 Cemetery Larry COOKS The Lakers Midseason Grade 1:14:37 LeBron Attends Ohio State's National Championship 1:38:00 Top 5 Pure Hoopers 1:40:58 Cade Cunningham & Jalen Green's HEATED Beef 1:55:52 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Woo! What's up everybody good job we had a nice audience today make you feel awkward everybody just we back hold on let me get the wires get the mic out pass the wire cutters. How everybody doing today? Good, good, good. Another productive day. We got glitter. Cream, shoot all in your mouth.

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Flags, awkward gestures, all types of shit going on. Liberty. All types of shit going on. Flags in the yard. But this is Gils Arena presented by underdog, Whoop Whoop. Whoop Whoop. Whoop Whoop.

So we got a lot to get into today, but before we do, we still got, hold on. Before we do. All right, go ahead. You got it. I came bearing gifts. Which, uh-uh. Something specific for you, my brother. Which we got?

My brother, could you bring me the gift bag, man? A LeBron championship? Can you give me the gift bag, man? LeBron championship. Another Lakers chip? Yeah, yeah, yeah? Can you give me the gift bag, man? Another Lakers chip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man, just, you know, little T-shirt, man.

I'll wear it. You know, man. Oh! Ah! Woo! Hold on, let me hold it up. Hold it up. You're going to slay me. Oh, hold it up. Hold it up. We're gonna slang this.

Oh, with the silhouette, looking slender. Uh-huh. You take up two letters. You take up two letters. I appreciate you. Just, I'm sorry, we all good now after the 54 joke because of the shirt? It's all good. No, me and Sean are always bearing presents, man. I like to have a good workplace, a good healthy workplace.

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If we sell three, it's a win for me, because I'm buying two myself. But here's what's cracking in the arena today. Jimmy Butler continued to troll the Heat by rocking shoes with the Suns colorway. But did Phoenix just come one step closer to landing the six-time All-Star? Yeah, he did that.

What? He did that. Ooh. And they lost to the Blazers. That was. LeBron made his way back from the college football natty game Yeah, he did that. What? He did that. Whoo! And they lost to the Blazers. Whoo! That was... LeBron made his way back from the college football natty game to make some more history

in a Lakers win. But how would you grade the Purple and Gold through the first half of the season? And who are the best pure hoopers? KD gave his top five, and now it's time for our crew to give theirs. Before we get into all that, as always always this show is brought to you by underdog Go ahead download the app use promo code Gil get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick them as for tonight Mr. B has some picks up in his partner pack on the underdog app. Let us take a look You got Anthony Edwards higher 19.5 points. Yeah, it's the Mavericks. They just lost Derek lively for a couple months. So

That room might be open. You got Kyrie Irving, higher 24.5 points, obviously to take on the Wolves. You got Giannis, higher 29.5 points. They're playing the Pelicans. That's a little... Yeah, that game got postponed, though. Oh. Yeah, that's... Yeah. What happened? The snow?

The snow. Damn. If it ain't snowing, Giannis ain't going. And SGA, higher 29.5 points versus the Jazz. You still got three up there to choose from. Obviously, the Giannis pick, not in the mix, because that game has been postponed. It's just a little snow. Get out there and hoop. We got wildfires. We got all type of shit going on.

And we canceled our games, too. We came back. We came back. When the Lakers went back to work, I said, we're going back to work. So how's everybody feeling about Brandon's picks for the night? I've been cooking. Yeah. Not bad.

Not bad at all. Not too shabby. Go ahead and get your money. Mr. B gonna make sure you get paid now. You know what's gonna happen? You know what's gonna get 31? Kyrie, it's against Minnesota. Yeah. It's personal. Like, that might be 40 tonight. Personal is 24.

40 tonight? Nah. With no Luka? No Luka. Focus is on Kyrie. Our focus is on Kyrie. 40 tonight. And said he wanted that smoke during the playoffs last year. Quickly changed his mind. But we will see what's going on.

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And as always, we got the show live on YouTube, but if you can't watch it with us here, we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So, we got to talk some more Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler's been trolling the heat for the past few months as he seeks to force his way out of South Beach. From dyeing his hair to the colors of his preferred trade destinations

to taking indirect and direct shots at Pat Riley, Butler has let it be known that his days with the heat are numbered. So, in his third game back from suspension, Jimmy Buck has left no doubt by rocking a sun's colorway of his signature Leaning JB3 shoe in a loss to the Blazers. Butler played 27 minutes in the game, scored 13 points on four and nine shooting, along with eight assists and four boards.

Mr. B, I see you over here smiling. What are your thoughts on Jimmy Butler continuing to troll the Heat to try to force his way out of Miami? That's undeniable. That looked like Phoenix. Yeah, for sure. No, Gil?

You're not... What? You're still not sold? That's Miami Heat colorway. Purple? Purple? Yeah. That's the valley.

That's one of their throwback colorways. That wasn't the one they was wearing. I know, but I'm just saying it is part of their throwback colorways. That wasn't the one they was wearing. I know, but I'm just saying, it is part of their throwback colorways. They got the pink, that purple in it with the yellow and orange. They actually do, technically, they do have a jersey that would match that shoe.

That jersey was not in the rotation. But we do know. It was like Lakers. Yeah. It was like Lakers, fair. That jersey was not in the rotation. But we do know. Like Lakers? Fair. I mean, we don't got no orange, but, you know, whatever. We can make it orange. We can do whatever you want, Jimmy.

Look, look, look. So, Mr. Cemetery Larry, former Heat. I mean. I mean. If we was lawyers, we got them. We got you, Jimmy. That was not the jersey they were wearing. I know that's not the jersey they were wearing, but they do have a colorway that go exactly with that one.

I'm just saying. We want to know where you want to go, big dog. That feels like a colorway detrimental to the team. That's funny. Detrimental to the team. Colorway detrimental. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mr. Cemetery Larry, obviously purveyor, fine T-shirts, other goods at the greatness.com

website, which you can pick up right now. What do you think about Jimmy Butler rocking the sun's colorway in the heat lost to the blazers? I don't really think nothing of it. I've been off Jimmy since the emo shit. Damn. You know what I'm saying? Since the fingernail and the eyebrow paint and all that shit.

And you play half the season and you're supposed to be the leader and you just quit on your team and it's hard to root for these guys nowadays, man. It's a lot of shit that they doing that's just kind of like against the code of how I grew up. How I watched the game, where I learned the game from. Then you separate the game and you got to look at these people as individuals. And you be like, I don't know you well enough to judge you like that. So you can only judge them on the game. Like your approach to the game and how your character magnifies that.

And these kind of antics is just not professional. This is a national business association. He not understanding that. And the people that's at this table that's running the ship, they don't play this type of shit. Like you said, it is a business. I think Jimmy was looking for that extension. He were adamant not giving it to him.

Takes some PTO during the regular season, but has led the Heat to two finals, apparently, in his time in Miami. Did Paul George do this shit? When the Clippers didn't give him that. He went and got him. He just went and got his breast. He ain't tripped, did he?

Yo, I don't feel bad for Pat, like, standing his ground and his ways now. Because it's like, you got to. You going to let a player come here and run your shit? Because if not, then you're going to get more of this. And I'm not, I mean, look, Jimmy's going to do what Jimmy's going to do. Like, but if you don't have any structure or any heat culture or whatever it is, then you're going to have shit like this all the time. Trolling, playing games, and, you know,

fucking with the season, so... And, I mean, it go both ways, but... I mean, I'm not mad at Pat for not, like, you know, standing his ground, standing 10 toes down. I just... Which camera is my... Go to the camera, girl, and then we have something from our producers. What you do?

Camera two. I know people think I'm colorblind, but... Let's get it back up a little bit. Back up, back up, back up, back up, back up, back up, back up, back up, back up, back up, back up. Back up, back up, back up, back up, back up. We got to get that focus. Whatever, you know. It's a little inebriated. There it is.

There you go. Right there. God damn it. That's the jersey. He did wear this jersey. That does have the colorway, God damn it. So, our producers would like you to know... Fuckers.

Our producers would like you to know that that jersey is not a part of this year's rotation. I didn't say this year's. I said it's part of their colorway, though. They have worn it. He probably just had them shoes laying around, you know? But that's my narrative. He was just trying to get them on.

I mean, if it was just purple and gold. Gilly cock. But if the jersey fits, you must have quit. But look, I mean, they at this point, I mean, what is. What is the point of it? Right, the antics at this point, right, it's going to start. Like right now, kind of people are in your favor. The more you keep poking,

it's less likely to get done. Like why, like at some point, a businessman will say fuck you. Right, you don't have a non trade clause in your contract so you keep fucking with me you keep doing is you keep trying to show me up I will sing you somewhere you do not want to be but I don't think Jimmy gives a fuck right and that becomes a problem too but I will see you somewhere that you do not want to be like if this you're trying to win a championship and do that I will send you somewhere that you do not want to be.

Like, if you're trying to win a championship and do that, I'll send you, I'll send your ass to Portland. So, but here's the thing, you send me to Portland, I'll just opt out of my... I don't give a fuck what you do. I don't give a fuck what you do. I'm just sending you there. You figure that shit out yourself. You opt out, opt in, that ain't my goddamn problem.

You opt out of fucking 60, 50 million, that's your problem. Not mine. Or I just opt in and be salty, playing on't my goddamn problem. You opt out of fucking 60, 50 million, that's your problem. Not mine. Or I just opt in and be salty, playing on a non-contender, and get that 52. Right? There becomes a point where, you know, you're poking the bear, and we've seen through history

where they send you to the place you don't want to go. They ask you, hey, man, where you don't want to go? I don't want to go to this place. Next thing you know, you're there. So this is a lose-lose situation then? No. If he keeps poking, because it becomes ego now. At some point, like, let's say now,

I want to make a trade that benefits my franchise, right? But you keep showing me up. At some point, fuck the franchise. This becomes ego. And my ego has been big for a long time. And I got a couple more years. I'm going to just flex the shit right now. Send me anywhere but the sun.

So can we kill the narrative that it was the Miami Heat culture that created this Jimmy Butler, Pat Riley thing? Because it ain't got nothing to do with the way they work, how hard they work, what they demand out of their players. It has everything to do with how much money Jimmy Butler wants. And if that was the case, Jimmy wouldn't have been able to stay there and take them to the finals twice if it was to heat culture. So that narrative that's being pushed, and no one wants to go to Miami because it's too

hard. No, there's two different narratives. Man, I'm killing that, man. No, which narrative are you killing? Killing that. Both of them. You can't kill both of them. Yeah, I'm killing that, man. No, which narrative are you killing? Killing that. Both of them. You can't kill both of them. Yeah, I can kill all of them.

So you're killing the narrative of players don't want to go there. Yeah. That's the narrative. Okay, now tell me what plays. It started to bubble after this Jimmy Butler thing came. It wasn't. Nobody was talking about, I don't want to go to Miami. Nah, Jimmy Butler started ruffling feathers, and they think, oh, he don't want to be there because it's too tough.

Nobody want to. Man, stop all that. Dame was going to Miami. It got intercepted. Traded. It got intercepted. Okay, so the narrative. He wanted to go to Miami. But the narrative, there's two narratives. The narrative of Jimmy Butler, whatever he's doing, that's one narrative. Yep. That's what you're killing cool. No, I'm not killing that. I'm killing this other narrative. You're killing the narrative, there's two narratives. The narrative of Jimmy Butler, whatever he's doing, that's one narrative.

Yep. That's what you're killing cool. No, I'm not killing that. I'm killing this other narrative. You can't kill the narrative. Dame Lillard wanted to go to Miami. You can't kill the narrative of free agents wanting to go sign there. Yes, I can.

Because the fact is, there hasn't been any free agents that signed there. Since? Since what, LeBron and them? No, they signed there. They got traded there. But, yeah, it was signed. It was signed and them? No they signed they got treated there. But yeah it was signed. It was signed and traded. No free agent.

But he's strong to arm his way out there. So the only time a free agent has signed there. The history doesn't need us to be able to say yeah we know that Chris Bosh and LeBron James

went to Miami they chose Miami. To team up to win a championship. There's no reason to all that shit you're talking about. Yeah, so your free agents that signed there Dame Lillard wanted to go to Miami.

Would be Ray Allen to win a championship. It'd be Mike Miller to win a championship. That was all coordinated. Nobody wants to go to Miami

is what you're saying. All coordinated. Which free agents have actually went there just to go there miami all just saying all coordinated which free agents have actually went there just to go there not to team up to win a championship ah damn so that you're moving to go for it not when you're separating oh we've all said the same thing we ain't all said shit we all ain't said shit you say what you say and everybody else say what they say you try to convince everybody to take no side and to believe what you know it just go that's what you do all the time.

You do it all the time. It's a fact, though. You go after your feelings. How is it a fact when the last guy I just said, Dame Lillard, wanted to go to Miami? With Jimmy Butler. They just went to the championship. Jimmy Butler and Bam. I can win.

I can help us win the championship. We're talking about if Jimmy Butler leaves, who, what free agent will sign there as a free agent? Anybody who is available that needs to go to the place. Anybody who needs a team to go to. What are you talking about? You talking like a superstar. This summer, who

signed? Who's up this summer? Who was up this summer? The last summer we... Who was up? Bradley Bill. Everybody. Who was up? Bradley Bill, Clay. Bradley Bill, Clay, Dame. Who all went to the wrong places? I don't want to ask that.

Who all went to the wrong places? Who signed there? Yeah, you went to the wrong place. I don't care about where you went. Dame Lillard was supposed to go to get traded there. So who signed there? DeMar, James Harden, Clay Thompson. No, no, no.

None of them came to the Lakers either. No, keep going. That's not going to They're the Lakers either. No keep going I'm gonna do with the Lakers. So keep going LeBron stay keep going. Keep going. We talking about keep going No point in Arkansas. Okay Okay, how about last year we didn't want none of them how about I didn't want none of them guys how about last year so Is it okay that we didn't want to how about last year? Let me see. Let me pull the list I'm gonna pull the Kyrie I think Van fleet Jeremy Grant Middleton cam Johnson Draymond

Miles bridges. Okay. How about the year before that? Come on. We can keep going So what I've signed it so what that's so what you're trying to ask me who the last guy wanted to go to Miami to Dame Leonard wanted to go He wasn't a free agent. If he was guess what he wouldn't want him to go. Let's try this again Okay, so he don't want to hear that. Okay, let's start it again The the beginning of it is yeah, I have three agents do not go to Miami unless there's a championship there Oh my god, like so when Shaq, and when Shaq got traded up with Dwyane Wade,

they lost the next year. Then free agents started coming there because that was a championship team. Okay, once that happened, nobody came there. Then, right?

What free agents don't want to go to a championship team? Okay, so then LeBron. So you had to win a championship for free agents to get there and want to go there?

Right? Is that what he's saying? Is that what he's saying? I'm trying to present it. They wanted to go to Miami had to win a championship for free agents to get there and want to go there? Right? Is that what he's saying? Is that what he's saying? I'm trying to present it. They wanted to go to Miami because they won a championship? I'm trying to present it so you can actually hear it. So, when Shacknam didn't win after they disbanded, nobody went there. Nobody went there.

No good free agent went there. Then LeBron, Dwyane Wade teamed up. It was a four-year gap. They teamed up. Four-year gap. Three-year gap. They teamed up. So, Mike Miller, all of them They teamed up. They teamed up, so Mike Miller, all of them were going there.

They all said they were going there. Okay, they went there. Why did they say they were going there? Because they were teaming up to win a championship. Okay, so they could have went anywhere. They were going to New York. They could have went anywhere. Why did they go to Miami? Because they were going to New York. They would end up going to New York where he had his Prince Conference. He was

going to New York. Dwyane Wade, please, please, please, please adjust this guy. Let me try it again. Because he act like he was there. Okay, are you going to let me talk? They were going to New York, where he did his press conference from Steve. Whose house was he at? So he was at Greenwich, Connecticut at the Boys and Girls Club. That was the...

Where he did it. Okay. So, what happened is, they signed who? The Knicks signed Amari Stoudemire. And they didn't have no plans with Amari Stoudemire. This is not what Dwayne weighs in his podcast. Okay, so they decided... You're making up shit. So, they decided to move... You're making up shit. So, they decided... Well, he does.

So, they decided to move, and that's where they picked Miami. Right? So, they all went to Miami. Now, who came there? What free agents came there once they were in championship mode? Okay. Now, when LeBron left and he wasn't champions anymore, what free agents did he get this time?

None. So Jimmy Butler and Bam and Hero took that team to the championship. So, Dame, I want to get traded there. I think I can win a championship there with them. You add me with the rest of that crew, I can win a championship. So, yes, that is valuable. But in that meantime, what free agents have signed there since? What free agents have signed to the San Antonio Spurs?

This has nothing to do with the San Antonio Spurs. What about the Detroit Pistons? What about all the other teams who you could say the same thing for? You said you're getting rid of this narrative for a reason, so I'm giving you the layup. You're trying to go against me. You don't need to bring in any other team. We're talking about this team.

Yes, I do. I need to compare it. What are you comparing? I'm comparing the cultures, and I'm comparing the free agents that went there when they won championships. Like you say, oh, the championships draws you here. Mike Miller only went there because they were winning.

So same thing with San Antonio. Whoever went to Dallas. Oh, you went to Dallas because what? They had a championship team. Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler, Vince Carter, Sean Marion. All these guys went to Dallas. But it has nothing to do with the fact that the heat culture was bringing in free agents. He don't want to say they validated because, oh, they were chasing something.

They were chasing. What team is not chasing a fucking championship? What player? What team? I'm talking about players. Now you're talking about players. I've been talking about players. Duh, that's what this whole argument is about.

No, it's about heat culture. It's not about team. It's not about players. It's about heat culture. We've been talking about heat and teams the whole time. Now you want to switch it. We're catching you in real time. Is a free agent a player or a team?

You know these people move fast with this video shit. A free agent is a player. Which free agents outside of the window of a championship wanted to go to Miami? Team. Miami. Miami. Team. Which free agents? Team. You have the team. Team. Which free agents?

Team. You have no name. You just named them. You just said, they going there because they're chasing a championship. We all teamed up

to go win a championship. So it don't count. So does that not count? Those are the two instances. Does it not count? I put that in the argument. Does it not count? Outside of those two.

Why are you outside of those two? Include those two. Which players have went there to go play in Miami? Ray Allen, Mike Miller. To win a championship. To win a championship. I can't say no names.

Because there's no names. There is. I just named them. When they haven't been in championships. But there's no names. No, you're naming. I'm naming names that you don't want to accept because you can't win without it. But you're using part of my argument.

No, I'm not. I'm saying these are the two incidents where actual free agents win. They're terrible. When there's no championship in mode, which great free agents have actually went to Miami to play in Miami? You're not in championship mode? What are you talking about? You think the year that Shaq and him and Dwayne Wade and him lost that year,

so you think the next year, you think that was a championship move? Yes, and that's how they got Posey. They got Posey. They got Gary Payton, and they got Antoine Walker. That's why they went there, just like Lakers. But they had just lost a year before, so what makes you think, like, just because them two was playing so we're just gonna add our talents and we should be able to just like when the Lakers came when Lakers

and Kobe had that in Gary Payton with their Brian Russell went there and Carmel on went there like right that's where they went to try to win that ship just like with LeBron and D Wade matched up Mike Miller turned down the money in New York if you go google it New York. If you go Google it, New York offered him money. He turned it down because they already knew where they were going. Mike Miller was on my team that year. So I know what they were doing.

He was our free agent. So, we got, we know who came. Hold on, what are you talking about? Huh? What are you talking about? Because Mike was on my team in 2010. What team were you on? When he signed that deal? When he signed to go to Miami, Huh? What year are you talking about? Because Mike was on my team in 2010. What team were you on? Minnesota. When he signed that deal? When he signed to go to Miami, he came from the Wizards.

2011. He came from the Wizards. So he went from Minnesota to the Wizards? Let me pull it up. Because Mike was on our team. He was the Wizards 09, 10, then went from the Wizards to Miami Heat. So he left for us to stay down.

OK, so again. OK. Listen. So the money they offered him So he left for us. Okay, so again. Okay. So the money they offered him, he turned that down and then went to Miami for cheap. Free agency. So free agency, Mike Miller went to Miami. He chose the Miami Heat culture.

He chose LeBron James to where they had already won with Shaq and Dwayne Wade before LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Pac. A place where they had already won with Shaq and Dwayne Wade before LeBron James ever thought of going there. So they were already a championship organization. Mm-hmm. I, Mike Miller, would like to go see what's going on down here at this sauce. Oh, that has to do with...

You have to make it about something else than what it is. It actually is mike miller went down to miami and free agency so who was mike miller's agent oh shit was that the run is it was it is it clutch was it back then was was was mike miller part of their group yes or no You Google it. Yes. He turned down what's, what did y'all offer him, see, $56, $60 million that year? And he turned it down to go team up with, same reason Haslam turned his money down from Dallas and Milwaukee, because he was waiting for them to sign and he was gonna take whatever it was like.

Oh really? It had nothing to do with Heat culture? No. No, okay. With Heat culture, they lost to the American playoffs the last three, four years. Let's let UD answer that question. Let's not let Gilbert answer the question for UD. Let's let UD answer the question.

Why I stayed in Miami? I'm from here. Because they had a chance to win a championship? Let's keep this moving. He already won a championship? Let's keep this moving. He already won a championship. Let's spin this back forward to the current situation. He already won. He's getting offered $40 million.

He had already won a championship. And signed for nine. I'm already a champion. Let's spin it back to the current situation going on in my life. Why did I stay? Because I'm a champion in a championship organization. We have LeBron James. And I love what we got going here.

So why did he stay after LeBron left? So why didn't got going here. So why did he stay after LeBron left? So why didn't he sign his contract? Why did he stay after LeBron left? Why didn't he sign his contract first then? Why did he stay after LeBron left? Why didn't he sign his contract first then? He got offered $40 million. Why didn't he sign first?

Why did he take less? Because he didn't want to take up all the money. Why did he take less? He didn't want to take up all the money, dog. Stop acting like you're talking to these people. He wanted to stay in Miami. What did the... It's a report, less? He didn't want to take up all the money, dawg. Stop acting like you talking to these people. He wanted to stay in Miami. What did the... It's the report, right?

They had to take a pay cut. Who was the report? Who took a pay cut to get Haslam? Because they needed to get him to the $13 million even though he was being offered $42 million. It was part of the plan. Did he leave? No. He stayed. But it still doesn't... Does he vouch for Higgins Co.? Does he vouch for Higgins Co.? Does he vouch for the Higgins Co.?

It still doesn't back your argument. Which free agent... You still got to... Which free agent... Does he stay at Brown and them? No. Huh? Does he stay at Brown and them, don't stay there?

No. He stayed in Gronlis. He's been there the whole time. He never left. Let's shift it to 2025. We can't say no if. 2025, current Miami Heat. We asked the chat, is Jimmy trolling the Heat?

Over 3,000 votes, 87% said yes. We also asked the chat, should free agents want to go to Miami? 58% said no. Apparently some of you have never been to South Beach, but. That's how strong the narrative is. Every player done said the same name. Ain't no prison with the ocean.

Every player said shit. Every player already played for Miami. What are you talking about? It's only the players that play for Miami. Why don't you turn for Miami. What are you talking about? Only the players that played for Miami. What are we talking about? Andre Iguodala just sat there and said, man, it made me a better player and a businessman to this day. The tail end of my career needed to be in Miami.

The tail end. Iggy did go after he got moved to the Grizzlies, but Mr. B, question for you. We see all the Jimmy Butler antics. It don't seem like it's going to help or hurt his trade values. You guys have previously said you know what you're getting with Jimmy Butler. Are he better off not playing Jimmy Butler until they can get a trade done? No, you got to play him.

I mean, you might as well. I mean, the season's cooked anyway. So it's not like if you don't play him or you play him, so you might as well just play him. I mean, as a businessman, I'm just playing him. If you want to go out there and just, you know, have his numbers looking like the way it is, then that's on him. So he currently 21-21 on the season, ninth in the East,

but only, what, two and a half games out of the fifth spot. So you can't throw in the towel just yet with it, but if you know you're getting a Jimmy Butler who's not motivated... I mean, if you don't... ...or gonna take seven, nine shots a game, whatever it may be... I mean, if you don't play, then it'll look like you're throwing in the towel.

So... Might as well just play him. That's on him if he want his numbers to look like that, so... And you got 15 days before the trade deadline. But as a businessman, I'm just, hey, now, why we paying you? You gonna play. Gil, you agree or disagree? I agree.

Throw his ass out there. What you gonna do, let him sit on the bench for free? I got to pay him either way, so I'm going. I don't give a fuck what you get. It's your brand. And if you want to go out there and go 0 for 5 and take two shots, that's you. I don't give a fuck. I mean, you got opponents that's gonna be coming after you. That's your pride.

And I just feel like he put himself in his position. So now it's just like, if I'm Pat Riley, I'm just like, yeah, go ahead. Or Mickey Arison. Jimmy Memo both, I think, is... Go ahead. Or Deshawn and other insiders echo the same sentiments. Trade me. When we find something that'll sound good, then hey. Until then, if you want to average nine points, 11 points.

Shad, do you think he'd are better off playing or not playing Jimmy Butler till they can try and get a trade down? I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm off dude, like I said, I'm off dude. Just integrity of the game. Yeah. The approach, all that, like I said, I'm off dude. Just integrity of the game. Yeah. Approach all that, like you letting all that get in the way of camaraderie.

You know what I'm saying? Even when you leave your teammates, leave on good terms bro, with your teammates, not with the coaches and all that shit is cool, but when you got dudes looking at you like, yo, you quitting on us on this, over this? So you said it was the National Business Association. Does that business work on both sides, though? Or should all... Who runs the business? Whose business is it?

But who keeps the business thriving? I understand exactly what you're saying. He run this, but... But what? Jimmy, you keep our business thriving. Next! Next! You don't think there's no more Jimmy Butlers out there? Jimmy, you keep our business thriving. Next! And see Coach Trevor. Next! Next!

You don't think there's no more Jimmy Butlers out there? No, that's fair. Moral of the story, give LeBron back his chocolate chip. He wouldn't give D-Wade that distinction, bro. I get both sides. He's just playing with the wrong one. But it's still your pride. It's still your legacy.

Yeah, no, for sure. Right? You know what I mean? It's not like people are going to look back 10 years from now and say, oh, my God, they were going through this turmoil, and this is what you averaged. No, they're going to look at, oh, shit, this is a horrible year. This is your legacy. These are the years where you're trying to calculate stuff for the Hall of Fame. Right?

Right? So this is what you got to stand on as a player, as a man. Like, the motherfuckers that you're playing against, do not give two shits about what you and Pat Riley's going on. If Jimmy Butler's playing half-ass 25%, I'm taking advantage of it. It's just somebody I ain't got to worry about tonight. But I'm going to go at him full speed. We're going to see what he's going to do.

It becomes, like, no one cares. No one's like, oh, man, Jimmy Butler, I'm going to take it easy on you. We sympathize with you. I'm going to be like, oh, hurt dog right, but I'm going to take it easy on you. We sympathize with you. Like, oh, hurt dog right now. I'm going for 40. Fuck him. See if you turn up. Which is cool because he make 52, so.

Or he got 52. I'm looking at it like, shit, bust his ass. Player option coming. The disgusting part is if he playing like this when he on this team, he go get on another team and he start playing crazy. That's just disgusting, bro. I mean, I just think about it when Kobe was going through his shit with the Lakers. He was still hooping.

Dane was going through it with Portland. He was still hooping. He showed up. You know? Gil just...Iceberg, Gil just hates Miami because they never wanted him. Gil, do you hate Miami because they never wanted you? I was a free agent the year Dwyane Wade got drafted and Miami was after me to make me him, the one and two.

I am Cuban, so obviously they wanted me in Miami. Gilbert, Arriba, as he's also known. I took the Washington route. So he wanted to give you the bread? $55 million. Gilbert, you are Cuban. That's where they capped it off at. Heavy Cuban population. Yes.

Do you ever regret not having a back foot? So what ended up happening is, if you're a Heat fan, I mean, I'm pretty sure you've seen the articles back then, I signed with Washington, and they signed Lamar Odom. Gilbert, arriba. and they signed Lamar Odom. Mm. Gilbert Arriba. But they were trying to... They brought in Dwayne, they drafted Dwayne Wade, and they didn't know if he was gonna be the one or the two,

so it would have been a nice little combo. Do you ever regret not going to the Heat? Yeah, and what made your decision? Because, um, when I went to talk to Abe Poland in Washington, he said, you know, that the MJ shit happened. So he was like, you know, I need someone to come in here and play so people will stop talking about MJ. If you can do that for me, like these people stop talking about MJ around, and you can change that, I'm indebted to you for life. Shout out to A. Polin. I treat you like my son. I'll protect you.

You know my personality at the time. Protection. Okay. Yes. Shit. You packed that thing, too. So I end up, you know, going there. And so when I got hurt and they were like, yo, his knee's not gonna be the same,

he said, you live up to your word. I'm paying you. The business side of it. That's the business side, yeah. So we asked the chat, should the Heat bench Jimmy Butler before trading him? 61% said no. So we talked about Jimmy wearing the Suns' colorway.

And speaking of the Suns, Phoenix made an interesting trade on Tuesday that may have helped them get closer to landing jimmy butler let's take a look sun sent a 2031 unprotected first round pick to the jazz for three first round picks with the suns acquiring the least favorable first of the calves or wolves in 2025 along with the least favorable first of the calves wolves or jazz in 2027 and also in 2029 when i first first saw the trade, I was a little perplexed. How can you trade one first for three? Yeah, that's why I stopped.

I'm good. I had to hit up Steve. He sent me the Bobby Marks video. I watched that. I still don't know what the fuck was going on. How do you trade one for three? But I think the thought process being with the Jazz, they've got a stockpile of picks from the Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert trades.

So the thought process being in 2031, if the Suns are asked, that turns into a top five pick Danny Ainge. Looks like a genius. What year? What, 2031. So like I said, they've been sitting on a bunch of those firsts that they got for the Donovan Mitchell to the Cavs trade and the Rudy Gobert to the Wolves trade.

And despite that, Utah still has 11 first-round picks in the next seven years. So before the move, the Suns only had a 20-26 second-round pick from the Nuggets at their disposal, but now have three first-rounders in the next five drafts to help make some moves. Phoenix? Wait, wait, so all the weakest teams, just the weakest cities got the most draft picks?

Danny Ainge, we're getting the women's draft picks. OPC and Utah. Nets got a bunch, too, I think. Just sitting there lurking. You mean Brooklyn? Yeah. That's fine. So what it means, though, is they'll likely get the Cavs pick this year,

which if things keep trending the way it is, that'll be 29-30 or somewhere in that range. So basically, bottom of the first round, in addition to two more picks. Phoenix currently 21-21, 10th in the West, only three games behind the Clippers for the fifth seed, though. So do you guys respect the Suns for mortgaging their future to make a win-now move?

I'm not... I mean, Devin Booker still being young, Kevin Durant still playing the way he's playing, if you're trying to bring in Jimmy Butler in that locker room with his personality, right, how he plays the game, that's probably exactly what they need to get them over the hump.

I mean, his durability is the same as, you know, you know, somebody he's coming in for. So, I mean, you know, missing games is still going to be questionable for the group. But, I mean, if they think he fits better than Beal, then, I mean, you might as well just, you know, make the trade. Yeah. So, obviously some hurdles into getting that deal done.

But before we get to that, Mr. Cemetery Larry, I got to know, do you respect the Suns? For moving that 2031 pick, we've seen other teams, Warriors, saying we don't want to mortgage our future to build a win-now team now. Lakers seem to be headed in that same trajectory, not making any moves other than trading D-Lo for Black and Miles,

a.k.a. Dorian Finney-Smith and Shaq Milton. Little D-Lo. It's confusing to me right now what win-now means because everyone seems to be in the last five years making moves to win now and none of them. Nobody's winning. Nobody's winning now. Nobody's been winning now.

Except for the Celtics. Except for the teams that's been around together long enough to understand each other. Milwaukee was around these four years together before they won. Denver, five years I think they was together. Boston. Boston, been together forever. The last three teams was one, been together.

Before Milwaukee was Lakers. The bubble, 2021, 2020. Then the Lakers. Same thing with Toronto. All they did was just add Kawhi. Everybody had been together, right? So now this is when it... It's this social media... It's a social media league.

And then even before that, Cavs and Warriors. And they've been together. They was building free ages, coming in, building from the foundation, right? So you look at it now, you're like, when now? What the fuck does that mean? Oh, we're gonna bring KD and Bradley Beal to Phoenix with Devin Booker.

That was a win-now move. Right? Did not win. But where did Devin Booker. That was a win and I moved. Right? I did not win. But where did Devin Booker take them? By himself. No, he had Chris Paul. He got there. He got there.

Yeah. Looked up and seen the confetti coming down like, damn! I was there. I'm up, yeah. Imagine if I had KD. I was out of game as well. Imagine if I had Bradley Beal.

Let's give him that. Let's give him Bradley Beal. Let's give him KD to see if he get the Bill. Let's give him that. Let's give him Bradley Bill. Let's give him KD to see if he gets it. Man, it's been worse off. It's been worse off since. Luka, Kyrie, or Whiskey, this should go all the way. How long we got to wait for this shit to happen?

Wait, what do you mean it should go all the way? As soon as they, as soon as we put them together. They went to the finals. Yeah. Kyrie and Luther. Second year. The hell? Remember, he came in halfway through the year.

But just remember, look, this is immediate. This is popcorn. Like, hey, Kyrie's going to be there. We're not looking five years down the line. It's immediate because of how good the guys are. Kawhi, James Hart, and Paul George. Right away, as soon as they got them three, we like, yo, they should, they should, they should.

Paul George is on a whole nother fucking team now. $50 million. We did hear that. Come on, man. And then you got Shea by himself taking a bunch of college kids up to the promised land. He telling them motherfuckers, shut up. Sit down. Be quiet back there, nigga.

Fucking doing an interview. Don't you niggas hear me talking? Fuck. Now, what question you had to ask me? These kids. Man, you know what I'm saying? This is the league we got now. This is what we watching.

All the real vets supposed to be holding it down, moving around, trying to figure out where they can Be called a big three. Mm-hmm. I think they made too many big name moves not realizing little tweaks is Like you have your core and it's just these little tweaks you make on the role player side Right, you're moving you, they're moving star players when it's the glue guys that puts everything in pieces, right?

Where when you look at Boston, you have your main two guys, right? You're bringing in a solid veteran with leadership that plays D, right? You lost Marcus Smart and you upgraded a Marcus Smart. Porzingis. And then you steal Porzingis. Steal him. Right? So that's, you know,

those are the type of deals you do. Don't cost you much, right, when you pull it off, and then you end up... You get Porzingis for nothing. Go back to... You get Porzingis for nothing. Like back to Latin. You get Przingis for nothing. Like, if they trade Jimmy Butler for Beal,

I don't know if it improves them. It just keeps you right there just with a new name. Like, that's... You need other pieces that stabilizes the group. Those two guys, Booker and KD, are looking around like, yeah, Jimmy Butler,

cool, we know what he can do, but man, we need the intangible shit. We need this other shit. We losing on the offensive glass. We need another big that can go get the glass.

We need defense. Well, that's why they need to get back to letting GMs do their job. So, talking about Jimmy Butler, both Jimmy Butler's sons

have let it be known they're rocking with each other. Plenty of other hurdles in getting that done. As you guys mentioned, Bradley Bill having a no trade clause and all the leverage on his side to either stay with the Suns or go to the team of his choosing. So Eris talks about if this deal does happen, it would need to be a three, four, potentially five team trade with a lot of different moving pieces. The Suns now having those three first round picks that they can move, but ultimately Bill got away with his no trade clause to get it going. So if they can't get that deal done for

Jimmy Butler, what other players around the league should the Suns consider trading for if they want to actually be in win-now mode? Like you guys mentioned, there's other options around. Jimmy Butler, not necessarily the only guy. Guys like Zach Levine. You got Pelicans who are more... I mean, why just the Suns? What about Milwaukee? I thought there was a big trade. A mega trade. A mega trade where Jimmy's going there, right,

and Bill's going to Milwaukee. There's been... And he's saying he will... Who told you that? And he said he will use his trade clause. He'll lift his trade clause if you get him to Milwaukee. Did I just dream that shit, or is that... May. There's talks about it. Okay, I'll just...

It's a couple mega trades. Some blockbuster, if you want to call them. Can you help us? Yeah. How? Yeah, how? Because... We're not in the same situation like the Suns? No.

You have a Giannis. Right. The Suns have a KD. Right, right. Yeah, but y'all have a Giannis that demands... He demands stuff, right? So what ends up happening is the reason you guys are not where you were is because your number two option back then, Chris Middleton,

now is your third, but he is not where he used to be. Not because of his skill fell off, his body fell off. So he's not as impactful as he used to be. And I think that's what's actually hurting the team, is that your third option can't be as dominant. You remember he was half-court, mid-range. He was the guy who kind of glued it all together, and that's what they don't have.

So you think that Bradley Beal's been impactful with the Suns as a third option? If he averages 8... If Beal averages 18, think about it. He's averaging 18. His 18 in Milwaukee. What is Middleton averaging right now? Ooh, it's like 12 or 13.

His 18 in Milwaukee is a big fucking difference. Okay. Like, remember, that's the third option, 18. That's a different, that's like the old Drew Holiday. You know what I mean? Like, they need his 18. Because right now, it's just too guaranteed. But just remember, when they were scoring less then,

they were scoring less per game. And everybody, when Milwaukee was playing good and they was winning, they were scoring less because they had Drew, they had Brooke. They wasn't scorers. It was just Giannis and Middleton. Now that they got... Well, Giannis, Middleton, Drew was the third option. That's what I'm saying.

But he wasn't a dynamic scorer for them as a third option. Now you look at third option, Middleton, if he's still that, 13. 13, five assists, four rebounds in 18 games so far this season, playing about 24 minutes per game. Still recovering from the bilateral. You ask five points, and you say, all right, is Brad giving us the defense we was missing from Drew Holiday? But it's better defense than Middleton right now.

It definitely is. Yeah, but we need defense like you said, like Drew Holiday. Is he going to be able to do that? Because if we match up against Boston, okay, Bradley Bill is guarding Jason Tatum. He's going to guard Jason Tatum. Remember, that's the St. Louis thing. And then Dame will guard who? It's a St. Louis thing. It's a St. Louis thing. And then Dame will guard who?

Drew Holiday? Yep. Drew Holiday. And then that leaves... Who's guarding? Who is the number two? Who's guarding? Jalen Brown.

Jalen Brown would be probably Giannis. No. Who's the three? Two. Who's the two-three? Gary Trent? No, no. Your two is the shooter.

White boy? White boy. Oh, Dirty Bird. Green? He's gonna guard White. He's coming off the bench though? He's not... So it's one of those... I don't know who the two... I'm just gonna...

Gary Bird. They're gonna stick Giannis on Jaden Brown. No, Giannis is gonna play the four. He'll guard Tatum before Brown. No, he's gonna guard... Giannis is the four, right? Oh, no, because Derek White started. Derek White started. That's the White,

Holiday, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis. Yeah. So I'd rather put, I'd rather put, I'd rather put Giannis on. Tatum. Mm-mm.

Giannis on Brown. Because he plays, he plays, he plays stronger. Okay. So I'd rather, I'd rather try to, you know, keep that, that strength on him so he don't try to play bully basketball. What do you mean, stronger?

Like, when he drives, he's a lot stronger. Then who? Tatum. Oh. So I don't want Giannis guarding Tatum, and then you have Bradley Beal trying to get close enough. I think that's what Steve Kerr was saying, too. He was like, yeah, we need somebody stronger in here. Jason Tatum, I'm sorry. I support you, if that means anything to you.

They out here. There ain't no slander. They got a back to back. They stronger, man. He's a stronger. We need somebody stronger. We're about to go into out here in LA. There's somebody who can box him out.

There's somebody who can box him out. Box him out, Jalen Brown. Mr. B, Tatum in LA right now. He said he was looking for you, but he couldn't get out to Woodland Hill. Oh, this trainer was out here. Too much traffic.

He's going to pull up. Scared to wear new brands. He said, they scared to wear new brands. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, you are in LA. Open invite to pull up. We don't care about no game.

We got one more show tomorrow. We'll put you on the security. You know what? I don't like the mid-. We got one more show tomorrow. We'll put you on the security list. I don't like the mid-season trades like that with teams that's in the hunt. Especially in that position. Mid-season trades, man, you're looking for the

one right person. You don't think Jimmy Butler would fit us better? I'm not mad at either one of them. I do. I do, because he's more defensive-minded. I think Jimmy, just because he went to Marquette, I think that's somewhere he would...

I'm not mad at either one of them. I just don't want him to end up looking like... And not that this is a bad look, but for Jimmy, end up like how Jay Crowder was when he was in Milwaukee. Because Jay could have done more. I think Jay's a better player, but he was regulated to just be that...

that guy that's out there behind there, like, cleaning up shit. Nah, Jimmy's... I mean, Jimmy's more of a... But Jimmy's more of a, like, come on. More of a what? That's the old Jimmy. Nah, Jimmy's still... This new Jimmy we just... The dude we see him running around? Nah, Jimmy's still... This new Jimmy we just...

The dude we see him running around? Nah, Jimmy's still a dog, though. Huh? Jimmy's still a dog. Like, dyeing his hair and shit. But if you're the sons, Bucks, whoever, seeing the situation that's going on in Miami, how are you gonna think that, damn, this could happen to me down the road? Exactly!

I'm like... There's no assurance in that. His chances is better with either team, though bucks or sons. Yeah, little paper right now Like his chance so down the road it wouldn't even first of all you couldn't even do that because you playing with guys who actually have a ring like so so you Like you know such and so you can't go to the Suns until KD Now you gotta fall in line. I think I think the winner of this, if this trade actually happens,

the winner will be Milwaukee Bucks. Because whoever they get, it's actually an upgrade physically for Middleton. Like, he's only playing 24 minutes. You're trying to win a championship. But who else we got to give up? I know. But what I'm saying is he still. You can't take that risk.

Where does he end up, though? He ends up in Phoenix or in Miami? Miami. Because he had two ankle injuries and knees, right? I mean, there's... I mean... Said he had to relearn how to walk this offseason after having surgery on both ankles.

He did great, but at this moment in time... He's solidified. You're going to... Yeah, you got to mic-read it. He just... Yeah. Freak injuries, that's just too much, man. Also, we know how good he can be, how good he is.

But it's like also has a player option after this season. So so is that all we have to give up? It would just be him or is it somebody else? I got to sprinkle some more stuff in there. I think he's set to make make it 32 this year, make 34 next. You got to get rid of Brooke, bro. He ain't doing it, bro. But who's our big?

Giannis is your big. But Giannis have to fight? I mean, you can. You can bring somebody else in, but you just got... He not doing it, man. Nurk potentially? Nurk would be cool. He just not doing it.

We can't be letting these kind of guys fly under the radar. Like, he's supposed to be doing it. Is Bobby Portis... Is he not a starter? Man, Bobby, he... He supposed to be a starter. Like, I mean, he can't guard fives, he can't play five. I mean, what is Lopez really, he can shoot a three-two, right? Yep.

So what makes him any different than Lopez? Like if they said, all right, Lopez, sit down and Bobby, what's? He block shots. Who? Brooke block shots. He'll shot block. Yeah. Niggas draw the lane still?

Yeah. He be beat shit up. That'siggas niggas draw the lane. Yeah That's the only thing I was I really see much layups I mean, he don't rebound you don't do nothing else the border started 5 5 of the 40 games this season So very very sparingly at what at the 5 at the 4. He probably got his re coming for Giannis Hmm by the way, Giannis play Giannis can play 5 if he wants to. I hear you. I think they play him at the five, Portis at the four sometimes. They play him at the four. My thing is matching up with Boston.

That's what I think it should be. Giannis and Mancini with Przingis, they go small. Listen, I can tell you this. Put Bobby at 10. If you get Jimmy Butler or Bradley Beal I'm taking I'm taking bucks over the Celtics. The reason is this The x-factor is Giannis Giannis don't play that game You y'all have a y'all have a series where you shoot 12 for fucking 52?

Giannis fucked y'all up then. Yeah. Because he ain't taking threes no more. He's posting up and getting to that free throw line. So a guy who's shooting about 68 from the two, you can't have one of those nights against them. You're going to literally, if you're shooting 50-something threes against Giannis, you better be stopping him.

Like, you literally gotta hold him at like 46% to still win that game. If he's sitting there attacking the whole time, going for layups, dog, you can't win. And you running down. Mathematically, you can't win that game. And you running down, shooting, motherfucker. You come down, shoot, miss. Yep. Giannis, two.

Shoot, miss again. Giannis, two more and one. Five- point twist. But how many games do you reasonably expect the Celtics to have like that if that's what you're banking on in a seven game series? Okay, if Giannis was on the Dallas team and the way they were shooting the ball still, how they shot the ball in that Dallas game. Like you have a guy who's not gonna be playing the three point three point three point and you shooting 50 of them They shooting 30 mathematically you're winning if you make more right? He's not he's free throws and layups free throws and layups You can't you gotta be shooting in a 40 45 to 60%

Just to keep up with his guaranteed damn near twos and free throws. So if we know they're going to shoot 52 threes, we don't know the percentage that they're going to shoot, what's our defensive strategy? 52, we know. We know they're shooting 52 tonight. They're going to shoot them. What is our strategy to stop this from happening? But do you want

them to? That's why I asked. Do you want them to shoot threes or you want them to? Can you handle the twos? If my strategy is take them off the line. And we're going over. And we go into the, we reach them at the rim. We meet them at the rim.

Everything at the rim. Take them off the rim. We meet them at the rim, everything at the rim, take them off the line. Now, what kind of game are we playing at this point? No threes. They're uncomfortable. They're uncomfortable. Who's making twos? Who's doing two-dribble pull-ups? One guy on that team.

Jason Taylor. Jalen Brown. Jason Taylor. He's making layups. Two-dribble pull-up. He'll get in the middie. Two-dribble. Fade on you.

But Brown getting to the lane. He's going to get in the lane. He's the only one. Everybody else uncomfortable. pull up. He'll get in the middie. Two dribble, fade on you. They're just some jumpers, but Brown getting to the lane. He going to get in the lane. He the only one. Everybody else uncomfortable. Yeah, they're going to be tripping. They're going to be trying to uh, uh, step, side step, uh, uh. No, we stay down. If I'm going to push anybody to the lane, I'm pushing probably Derek White.

Derek White. I'm going to push Derek White, Al Horford, and Porzingis. All day. Just run them off the line. All day. Make them, you know, just run them off the line. Hauser, Pritchard, run them off. Yeah. Just run them off the line. All day. Make them, you know, just run them off the line. Hauser, Pritchard, run them off. Yeah, just run them off the line.

Right, the only person, and me, if Pritchard comes in the game, I'm going to treat him like Barrera. Yeah. And I'm going to treat him like Jason Terry. Yes, absolutely. I'm doubling him with every pick and roll. Every time. Make him give it up.

You know, I'm just... We're not taking a chance. Play one onon-one. I know you're in here to do one thing. Right? Yeah. Get buckets. Right? So, my scouting report when Pritchard comes in the game, we're going to treat him like a

starter that is trying to hurt us. Trap him. Trap him. Did I just hear you show respect to Peyton Pritchard, aka P-Roy? Yeah. Hey, he's nice, bro. Pritchard wasn't.k.a. P. Ray? Yeah. Why wouldn't I? Hey, he's nice, bro. He's nice. Pritchard wasn't the person I was talking about. It was two.

It was a combo. Okay. He put the combo on him. He wanted to know what's wrong with me being in the game, Gil. What's your energy like? But it changes if they get a third solid guy that can put the ball in the basket. Either one. I forgot because Bradley Bill played defense, too.

That's what I'm defense to He will guard Well, that's why I asked that question because it's like how many teams have deep Defensive discipline to run guys off the lane run them off the three-point line Still get back into play get the rebound play good solid best. I just don't see that shit It's like a fantasy in my mind of like this how we gonna guard it They not gonna get none of this shit off tonight and we're gonna rebound we're gonna go and you never see it because that back up it's shot 50 step backs tonight it's like it's like playing against phoenix suns right you just figure just slide slide and somebody chucked that shit right right somebody chucking you good.

And the time when they pass the ball seven times around, you look stupid because you're like, oh, damn. They shot the last two. You're making me look bad on defense, bro. Execute, man. You just pass, pass, shot the ball, man. I got to run around and chase you. We get the ball back.

Now you're sitting here. I got to close out. You done dribbled twice. Now I got to snap back. Nobody want to do that. Nobody. Because this offense is quick offense where I don't really have to give much effort because you already chucked it.

And you can see that in the demeanor of everybody out there playing defense. They like, oh, shoot it already. Shoot it already. Shoot it. Go ahead, man, so we can get the rebound. So going on record, if Milwaukee Bucks get either one, we going to the finals. Yeah.

Mm. And you coming to Milwaukee Milwaukee to come watch that. Milwaukee in another city, that's prominent? No, no, no. Underdog. Like if New York is playing, like, what? No, no, no. No, no.

Like, I mean, if Bucks is playing, like, New York, yeah, I go to New York. No, no, no. If Bucks play, when Bucks meet Boston in the Eastern Conference Finals, come to game six and watch us win. In Boston? No, in Milwaukee. In Milwaukee, yeah. Underdog very active in Wisconsin. They don't serve

food after 5.30 p.m. Where? In Milwaukee. The city closed down. Bro, you gotta relax. Bro, you gotta relax. Don't talk about the 4-1-4 like that. Don't do that. Don't the city got a curfew? No. No. All right, well,

they got a curfew for black people. When the streetlights come on, everybody get inside. That might be across the whole country. Purge. Stop. Purge. The purge sound comes on.

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All right, well, let's keep this moving. Sixers made an appearance in the Mile High City Tuesday night, and we're still without Joel Embiid, who missed his eighth straight game while dealing with a left knee injury. Sixers big man hasn't played a game in Denver since 2019. Damn. And Nuggets fans took the opportunity to troll the former MVP. Where's Embiid at? So where's Embiid at? Running through ball arena. Embiid at? So, where's Embiid at? Running through ball arena.

Embiid was on the Sixers bench in street clothes. Seemed to enjoy the Nuggets fans trolling throughout the game. A lot has happened since the last time Embiid was on the court in Denver for a game against the Nuggets. So, let's take a trip back down memory lane. So, back in 2019, last time Embiid played in Denver, Tom Brady was the Patriots quarterback. Todd Gurley was still on the Rams. Bradley Beal averaged 30 points per game. Tiger King and the last dance weren't even out yet. The UK was still a part of the EU. And the Lakers had yet to win the hardest championship in NBA history inside the bubble in the midst of a global pandemic.

So is it fair to say Embiid ducks the Yoke and Smoke in Denver, or do we give him a pass for injury? Do it again, Gil. Do it again. Do it again. Duck goose, motherfucker. He ducked. What? You crazy? Duck goose, motherfucker. He ducking. You crazy?

Ducking that swim. Somebody trying to tag you. Not today. I know what this altitude do. Get off me. This altitude fucks with my cheeseburger habit. You crazy? Give me gas.

I'm way down. I'm waiting down. I'm waiting till we go down back to LA, where it's down the hill. How tough is it to play in Denver? Tough. My high city, lungs burning. Fuck yeah. First five minutes. First five minutes you done.

Since 2019? You adjust after the first five, yo. Yeah, but still. Yeah, but you do when you in shape. You die. You die. When you in shape but you do when you in shape. You die. When you in shape, you do. If he dies, he dies. It don't matter.

You got to have your second win, though. That second win can't... Don't have a back-to-back. It's the worst. Yeah, you coming off a back-to-back, you, like, play somewhere, then play there. Yeah, you count that as a loss. Yeah, you done.

Did... Did you cramp after those games? Nah, nah, nah. You didn't cramp? Did you cramp? We left right away. Like you didn't like, you... Yeah, because we came in, we used to come in early because we was like right next to them. So we would come in a day early.

Day early. Party. I used to cramp my bags with them pounds. That's how you feel? That's how you feel? Pounds in the back. Colorado purveyors, some of the rough greens. with them pounds. That's how you feel? That's how you feel? With them pounds. Colorado purveyor, some, uh,

similar to rough greens. Yeah. What I mean. Fine greenery. But it's fair to say now Embiid, ducking, juggling. For sure.

Man is hurt. I mean, because he played straight games. No, I mean, this year, he's hurt. Last year, he was hurt too, right?

Right, that's when someone fell on his knee? Okay. What about the other years? He did get called out by Coach Prime too. Hey, man, listen, man. Be prepared to see the stars play. Don't be ducking.

I don't want to come to your hood anyway. You're the softest bit? Come to my hood. Is he the what? Brandon, Brandon, Brandon. Is he the who? Go ahead, go ahead. Is he the softest bitch?

It's hard to do that when he gives them 50. That's the only part that is like, you're ducking him there, but you are whooping his ass when y'all do play. Okay. You know, he is whooping his ass when they do actually match up. He just ain't matching up in his hometown. I ain't going to Serbia, God damn it. Come on down to...

Cameroon. Come on down to Philly, baby. You can keep you in... So he never played in Denver? He hasn't played since 2019. But everywhere else, he play them. No, he plays them in Philly. He whoops them in Philly, yeah. He plays, no he yeah he plays him in Philly. He whoops him in Philly. Yeah he just he played him in his hometown.

He ain't got the advantage up there. Man. You know the foreigners don't, the foreigners don't, they don't have the same etiquette we got you know. You know Drake suing motherfuckers you know. You know he ducking, you know what I'm saying? You know, he duck and smoke, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just something with, you know, America. America, America, great America. Mm. Yeah. Drunk and Serbian. Yeah.

Yeah, no, he duck and smoke. No, yeah. That's a fact. Mm. I ain't never seen nobody duck and smoke like that, though. That's a fact. I ain't never seen nobody duck smoke like that, though. Especially there. Yeah. Especially there.

I ain't never seen. I mean, he get a pack because he is hurt, but it's still, it's out there. It's been too many years. So where does he rank as big now? Is he ever going to be? He can't even crack the top three? It's one of those arguments. It's one of those arguments NB fan is going to be making on the eye test.

It's the same thing. They're going to throw away the stats and just say the eye test is better. You know what I mean? A wild Leonard conversation without the championships. So let's talk a little bit more. Since winning MVP 2023, NB has only played a total of 52 regular season games while dealing with various injuries.

Meanwhile, Jokic has 44 triple-doubles in that same time frame. And he's logged four straight triple-doubles. In all four, he did not play in the fourth quarter. Ties an NBA record with Harden and Westbrook. So... I... Hey.

Has Jokic cleared Embiid of the better basketball player? That smoke... That smoke you duck. Has Jokic cleared Embiid as the better basketball player? Is that a conversation we can have? Is he gonna be in the team? Better basketball, I mean...

I say Embiid was... What is the matchup numbers against each other? Let's pull it up. Two years ago, I said it was Embiid was the best. What is the matchup numbers against each other? Let's pull it up. Two years ago, I said it was Embiid. But now it's easy. It's an easy landslide. This man about to average a triple-double again. He available. He play all the games.

He don't take no shortcuts. He don't take no days off. He available. He don't take no plays off. He does it all. So Embiid, six and two in their career meetings. So Embiid has the edge there. In their meetings, met eight times.

Embiid's averaging 28, 11, four assists, one steal, two blocks. Jokic averaging 22, 10, seven assists, one steal, one block. So he's dominating. And that's what I said, the argument is going to always be for an NBA fan is like just, you know, they're going to throw away stats and just be the eye test. This is what he did against him. They're going to pull out the six and two and all the stats and it's going to, but at the end of the day,

one is a professional. From when he was overweight, when he came into the league, and he slid, you know, baby fat. And then, you know, or grown man, big baby fat, whatever you want to call it, and he gets in shape every year, ready to play, no days off. Like, if, I don't even know how many games Jokic misses. If someone said, man, Jokic ain't missed a game in the last five years,

we would be like, yeah, yeah, I can go with that, right? He's available. Like, his impact is consistent. It's like it's going to be the longevity. Like, when he was out there, like, he was out there. He was available, yes. Embiid had the offensive talent, but he was never available to play.

He was always heard. He was... So, I think Jokic played 79 games last season. I believe he's missed six games so far this season. Yeah. Does he fall in the category of, like, Grant Hill and all them? Who? Embiid. The what-ifs? Yeah. He becomes a what- category of like Grant Hill and all them? Who? The what ifs? Yeah.

He becomes a what if player. I mean, he won the MVP. He won the MVP. I mean, because they- He way past Grant Hill. He way past that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's accomplished something. He's like Kawhi.

They accomplished something, but they still- He got a scoring title. Yeah, but they still fucked the injury up. He got a scoring title. Yeah, they still fucked the injury up. Like, D Rose is still like a one. Yeah. He got a scoring title.

He got a MVP. But it's- Right. He put in monster numbers for He got a scoring title. And he still fucked the injury up. Like, D-Rose is still like a one. He got a scoring title. He got an MVP. He put in monster numbers for at least three, four years. It's a lot of, nah. It's more like a, I don't want to say T-Mac, but somebody that You can use, you can kind of use Mac.

Because it's a Hall of Fame type career, but he got injured. What it? Got close, got close. Maybe not close enough like he team. I was a Houston with y'all type shit. I Don't see them getting no closer. Say what about yeah, what if we all don't get hurt? Yeah, well they kept playing. Oh, yeah, yes, he misses his first two years of the you know first two years beetle turned 31 in March He would have had to score the damn he would have had two scoring... Damn, he would have had, what, two scoring... two scoring titles.

Two, like, so he would have had two scoring titles, two MVPs. Yep. If they didn't put the rule in. But I think scoring titles should be total points, not average. How much you score that? Huh?

Oh, okay. Like, if you average 34 and play, let's's say 65 games, someone averaged 31 and played all 82 games, mathematically that guy scored more, he scored more points than you. Gotcha. I think that just because every other sport is what, totals football? It's totals, right? I think the NBA, like stuff like that should be totals, not the average of- So rebounds, assists and and all that, too, then?

Yeah. It should be, like, the totals leader, not... But shouldn't games impact that? I'm just saying, like... But, like, what I'm saying is if you play 65 games, right, and you average 13 assists, right, and someone played 82 games and averaged 11 assists, he has way more assists than you. Yeah assists, he has way more assists than you

because he played way more games than you. So in theory, he is the leader. And diminishing returns, if you did play those 17 more games, odds are likely that that 13 would dip a little bit. I mean, that makes sense. Availability is the best. Because everything is totals.

We don't do who averaged the most in scoring history for the scoring title. This is the motherfucker. Because everything is totals. Like, we don't do who averaged the most in scoring history for the scoring title. This is the motherfucker who has the most points total. That's how that works. Well, Gil, speaking of... And motherfuckers that stopped sitting out, too. Speaking of the MF-er who has the most points total,

Lakers got smacked by the Clippers on Sunday in L.A., and on Monday night, LeBron was in the building to watch Ohio State win the national championship at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta. They defeated Notre Dame, were up quite handedly. Notre Dame made a comeback, was not enough. So with the Lakers having a home game Tuesday night this could have been a big deal but thankfully that game was against the Wizards and Bron preemptively silenced the haters by making more history while helping lead the Lakers to a win. Let's

look at some highlights. LeBron messed around and dropped a triple-double on the Wiz, finishing with 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 13 assists. LeBron joins Karl Malone as just the second player in NBA history to have a triple-double at age 40 or older. The mailman had 10 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists while playing in his final NBA season with the Lakers back in 2003. LeBron also had two steals in the game, which gives him 2,309 in his career,

moving him past Scottie Pippen for seventh on the all-time list. Anthony Davis led the Purple and Gold with a team-high 29 points to go along with 16 rebounds, five dimes, and four blocks. And Dorian Finney-Smith, also known as Black and Mild by Gil, has 16 points off the bench. His most is joining the team. Yeah, you see it. Here you go, Black. Shout out Black and Mild.

Black and Mild's a crazy nickname. Come to L.A., hey, Black and Mild. We're gonna see if it sticks. It was the Wizards, so you can't really... Or a man's cigar. Whoa. Come on, Gil. We did get to see Bron on, Gil. Dang. We did get to see Bronny, too.

Bronny had a steal and a game-seemly rebound to help propel the Lakers to victory. Game-seemly. Things could have took a turn for the worse if he had not secured that ball. You just never know. Shout-out, Bronny. Always love to see Bronny, Tom. Lakers, 23-18 at the midway

point of the season. Been really good against the bad teams in the league. Have struggled against the good teams in the league. Still sixth in the West. So, Gil, you're a resident Lakers fan. I believe you were watching that game on playback last night. Did a Ask Me Anything with a bunch of fans in the building. How would you grade the Lakers halfway through the season? You can grade on a curve too, Gil. This is Los Angeles. From not having... You just said it yesterday.

Not having Woods, Vando ain't played this year. Our guys we thought was going to be helpful. Very essential rotational players. Um, 40 year old, number one option. I'm going to give us a C plus. On a curve or just standard? Wow. All those things you mentioned could be very beneficial.

Helpful. I'm going to give a... C's get degrees. Don't let them lock you. I'm going to give a C+. Right? It would be a B with the lineup we have, but I don't think when there's games we know is guaranteed wins, we don't put in players that this is they get a chance to really, you know, try to play.

Like, that is very important. Like, you have to understand where the game is sealed and they gave up. Right? It was four minutes into the game, the game was over. They didn't have anybody out there playing at a level where they were going to make some type of combat. Right? So you could have put some of those younger guys in to get some experience, and those are the moments

we missed, because those are the moments that actually give them a chance to get some game experience. You can't wait for 30-point blowouts. You know, struggled against the Nets. Nets, they got smacked by the Clippers previous game. Bunch of guys didn't play.

We're a D-low three away from potentially losing that game. Wizards came to town. Way more interesting than it needed to be. Bronny limited to about what? A minute and a half? A minute and a half. You know, very disrespectful for all the work that Bronny puts in for this Lakers franchise.

So you say you give them a C-plus? With the liners we have? You said they were bottom shelf the other day. Bottom shelf, C-plus. C-plus, bottom shelf. D, F, bottom shelf. No, no, D, F is, I mean, like, what, where they at? Six in the Adam Silver's Western Conference.

And how many games away from third? Let me pull it up, dude. Two? Let me see. Three? I'm just making this up right now. Two, three, just guessing. Nobody else is gonna check in the chat. How many from? From third, they are four games.

Okay. And then how many? Four and a half from second, though, if that makes you feel. Four and a half. And then how many from 11? See, Brandon, that's not. Just ask the question. You're pushing the editors now.

Two and a half games from the 11. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying you're in sixth spot. Let's look positive. Let's turn in the right Okay. I'm saying you're in sixth spot. Let's look positive. Let's turn in the right direction. You're in sixth spot. Your number one player is 40, and the rest of your team ain't that good,

and you're in sixth spot. I'll take it. Why is it broken? Because if we was in last place, where is the team with three guys who are priming? The Suns. Think about it. Suns are 10th.

Timberwolves are 9th. We could be there and nobody would be like, eh, Warriors or Lakers, look at them. They ain't got shit. So we could be there. Do you think you guys

would be higher if Braun wasn't the number one option and just let AD just... No. Because he ain't doing it. That's the thing. Everything for the last four years is Anthony Davis

going to take over to be the number one option. How can he, if Braun keep demanding? Well, shouldn't at some point, AD say, I want these keys, sir. I'm sure. Give me the keys to the Kia. He can call me- Doctor Strange has said-

Uh-uh. That you guys are trash. Trash! Can you do trash. Trash. Can you do the flags one more time, please? Trash. That wasn't the sound effect I was looking for. Trash. That's it.

Trash. Okay. Lakers are trash. No grave for that. So no grave. But do you think it'd be different if Bron was the third option and then A.D. and, uh, and, um, and, um, and, you know, Reeves was second? You think it'd be different?

Trash. No matter what? You know the three bins that sit outside of the house? You know, we got nice houses. You got three bins. You got the black one, the green one, and the blue one. Uh-huh. All trash.

In all bins. Trash in all of them. Bins? Trash. What's wrong with bins? When you say trash... Mm. Trash. They have to be playing worse than the expectations you have on them, correct?

No. trash is on the 15 14 but what I'm saying is is it trash if that's where you're projected like if you are Blazers you are coming to the season your last place and you're playing like the last place you're not we're not giving you an F only way you get an F is if you do something with Detroit

did last year we don't give them a grade we don't give them nothing at all we do not acknowledge they don't yeah they're not even students. Or Sixers. Trash. Suns. Suns. Lakers.

Trash. Those three. Trash. Trash. Trash. Trash. Where did we predict the Lakers was going to finish this year? At the show or the...

The show. At the beginning of the season. I think we said 5-6. 6-7. Nope. At the show or the... The show. At the beginning of the season. I think we said five, six. Six, seven. Nope. Seven, eight, right? Seven, eight.

That's good. Seven, eight. So the fact that they're six, they're playing better than you projected, so they can't be considered trash. No, that's not accurate. Everybody else is playing trash. But they're playing less trash. Who's playing good?

Then the trash, yeah, they playing less trash than the expected trash, which puts them right in the middle of the trash. They're in the middle of trash. Six seed though, Shaq. Who's playing good then? Huh? Who's playing good to you? Above the, above?

Yeah, above trash. So like who's, who's a Houston? Like that's an A. They get an A compared to where we thought they were going to be. They're an A. Who's three right now? Memphis? Mm-hmm. They're beating us. All the top three teams should not be there. What? The top three teams should not be the top three teams.

No. Because they were not there the last two years. Thunder were. OKC was. OKC was there. You know what I mean when I'm saying this. Grizzlies have been there previously. We talk about the Kings were two.

The Kings were too. The Kings were too. We're talking about the majority of the juggernaut teams. Nuggets, Lakers, Suns, Dallas. Lakers has never been there. Exactly. They've never been. But the expectation of them being there is all because they're the bigger teams with the bigger rosters. Because of LeBron James. Because of LeBron James. All that shit. And then you got the

other teams that are not nothing, right? They're trash. But they're up at the top now. They're above. They're above. They're competing. They're competing. Now everyone else is like, just because you're lingering at five, six, you okay? No, you fucking trash, too. But this is great. You're grading.

Like, if you get a, if this kid has been getting D's and he's been doing this and then he comes in and has a C, you gotta give him a C. You just can't say, nah, has a C. You've got to give him a C. You just can't say, no, you're trash. Yeah, we just give him. You've got to give him his actual grade.

The grade is a T. Like, if I'm grading OKC. What's a T for? Sorry, man. T for trash. T for trash. That's the grade you get. Like, if I'm grading, I'm going to go.

You're officially giving the Lakers a T on the grade he's getting. A T on the scale. Like, it's because LeBron James to go... You're officially giving the Lakers a T on the greatest game. It's because LeBron James and he has... LeBron James is supposed to be this. But still, you can't say this team sucks and they're going to finish 10th, and then they're at six, and then you still call them trash. But we're not saying anything about their record. You are.

You're bringing that in to try to give yourself an argument. I'm saying they're trash. Fuck their record. Fuck in record. Try to give yourself an argument the right Tries regardless fuck their record. That's that's their record their trash Then you're then you're evalutant that's you it's your I can so I could bring up the film to show you they trash I can show you this is a play-by-play Look how the trash they are they rotations their sprint backs, they're double downs. Oh, you throw the ball live and you catch a dunk against the Wizards, one of the worst teams in the league defensively. Still top 30 in the NBA. That's my record.

Come on, man. Y'all need to get out of here. You can call me what you want. He get a rebound. Look at JJ take me out. I got my triple-double. It's like calling Westbrook overrated when he averaged a triple double. That's not the same. That it is. No, it ain't. He got voted overrated. Westbrook is overrated. It's like saying

the Lakers are not trash. But someone voted it. There's a bunch of NBA players. No one's voting if the Lakers are trash. We're watching it on TV. They're trash. Like your thought process that the people seen his stats, he's averaging triple-double, and they decided to call it over

here. He's an overrated player with a triple-double. You're saying this is where they're supposed to be, but they're here, but you want to call them trash anyway because you don't like... No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying that they need to be here. They can be in fifth or sixth. They can be in third. He's going to say trash.

They could be one. He's going to say trash. He's not listening to you, Brandon. He's not listening. Talk to him. It don't matter where they are. He's saying trash. So you can't trust his opinion.

He's saying once the playoffs come, he said they didn't do anything. It don't matter. We're talking about right. We don't care where they're going to be and what they're going to do. Right now, they're in sixth with this team. And they're still playing trash. You're in sixth. And you think it's good and I'm telling you everyone else is watching like, hey the Lakers are fucking trash.

Charles Barkley say it every time, man the Lakers stink. Ugh! Ugh because we as basketball players are watching it. We're like, yo they are trash. So Gil recently you said Lakers bottom shelf but they are top ten in the entire NBA right now based on their record. Yeah. Six in the West, top ten in the league.

So what grade did I give them? You gave them a C+. C+. What the fuck is that? What am I saying that's so weird? You said C, I said T. Houston. You said C, I said T.

What's the problem? Houston, A, right? Where they were projected to be, where they are, A++. They got an A+. OKC, regular A. Memphis, A-, Denver, C-, Clippers, A+, Lakers, C+, Dallas, D, Sacramento, D, Memphis, D, Phoenix, fail. Memphis, D? I mean D. Memphis, D. Phoenix, fail. Memphis, D?

I mean, Minnesota. Oh, fair. Okay. But that's how you... It's a real grade where we projected them to be. We projected... So yours is real. Yours is real grades. Real grade, yeah.

It's not my opinion grade. It's a real grade on... No, that's your opinion grade, bro. You just gave your opinion and said it's not an opinion. Where we projected these people to be in where they are now what like you just made up a list and said that's the list can you please tell us where rashad voted the the the the where the teams is going to finish and then i want you to grade off of your original assessment so i i was able to find it. Okay, you found his assessment.

So he just did top six. Okay, top six. Now, you give us a grade off your top six. Agreed to. Agreed to. I merely told so I did not agree. Now, you please give us a grade on... Number one, we said Minnesota Timberwolves.

Okay, hold on. Minnesota Timberwolves won. They are nine. What is their grade? Trash. What grade? T. Grade. Nigga, T. The last grade you can get.

Alright, don't worry about it. That's F. Don't worry about it. What's F? So F is trash. You see how we don't play by his rules? I just want a grade. You see how we don't play by his rules? He want to quit. We're asking for a grade. God damn, nigga. We're asking for just a grade. I gave you a grade. That's my grade. It's a custom grade. It's called trash, nigga.

They didn't know a word about it. It's past F. So you use F. Say F. Okay, F. Okay, next team. We are correlating. What's so hard? We are coming to an agreement and conclusion. Come on, man. Second, we had said OKC Thunder. Okay. So they're number one. That is our grade.

D plus. So they were supposed to be two, they're one. D plus. Okay. Third, Dallas Mavericks. So Dallas Mavericks, supposed to be third, they're seventh. D. D. Not trash. No.

Denver. Denver was number four. And they're four. Luka's been hurt. That's fair. Vandals been hurt. Five, the couch of the... Wait, wait. Denver, Denver four, and they're four. Luka's been hurt. That's fair. Vando's been hurt. Five, the couch. Wait, wait.

Denver's four, and they are four. Yeah. So what are they then? He's great. B plus. B plus. Number five, Phoenix Suns. Five, Phoenix Suns, but they're 10th.

Trash. Okay, so that's an F. And six, Sacramento Kings Kings six is Sacramento Kings but their eighth trash trash but trash trending in the right direction yes so there yeah recyclables because did not make that top six so recyclables are next to the trash but you can reuse those. But he still feel like they trash. He don't see that point. He don't see it.

He just did all of that shit to be like, I don't give a fuck about what you just said. It don't matter. They trash. Didn't I say that's his jaded opinion? No matter where they were, we didn't even have him in the top six, but they're six. They're trash.

They're F. But Denver was four, and they're four B+. So, I think what we've learned here is that maybe the Lakers aren't a C+. Perhaps they're in that B range. I gave them a C-plus. I'm just...

You are unbiased. You have no allegiance or loyalty to any particular team. I think it's more because LeBron James is on the team. We know that. So... We do know that. When you're known as the GOAT and you play for the Los Angeles Lakers,

the expectations of it... What if you are a senior citizen? What's the record? 23-18. Mm. 23 wins. Mm. Mm-mm-mm. Very respectable. Top

10 in the NBA. Top 10. The whole entire league. Top 10. We didn't even have them on the top 10 in the West. Mm. Mm-mm-mm. I want to change my shit to the beat, but I don't like the way J.J.'s been doing

Brian and James at the end of the game. I don't blame J.J., I blame the rest of the unit that's out there deliberately freezing Brian out, running no plays for him.

It's like, do they not have the script? Dogs that connect when they shoot too much. But that's what I'm saying, it's like, where's the script at? Like, I don't...

Where's the privilege? Like, where's the fucking privilege here? Where is the nepotism that we heard of? Yeah, like, if I'm the big dog and I eat and the puppy come on, he eat too. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was... Damn. Mr. B, you did not give us a grade for the Lakers. How would you grade the Lakers halfway through the season? D-plus. Was Brandon on the couch when we had him out of the top six? I'm just wondering.

If he wasn't, he'd go find him in the group chat. He was on the couch when we had him. He was on the Easter conference day. Oh, okay, okay. All girls are in that group trip. He was on a couch where we had the pop Okay, okay. All right, so that's fair. He wasn't part of it Okay Shot I see you getting your energy. I'm trying a piece. We asked the chat. What grade do you give the Lakers so far this season? 3% said a okay. Shout out to you guys 16% said be

62 percent said C. 19% said F. We only have four options. We excluded D. If you're a D, you're a F. That's just what it is. Certain people just know what the movie... They've seen this movie before. Like, like Detroit. So they've seen this movie before.

So they just... I'm giving them A. Given the piss in the A. I'm giving, like, Detroit pisses from how they played last year. but last year they get a like this is so they can win no more games And they still have more wins than last year right yep, mr.. B. Are close of it me. Yeah, mr. Mr. B Yeah, they already did that mr. B Said we've seen this movie before what movie would you compare it to so playing? Well, that's a good movie. This is like

This is like This is like Little Jakey, and it's like pot coaching up in above the rim And they and they and they sub in Thomas Shepard and he come out there with a thermal and we know what's gonna happen Yeah, yeah Like we've seen this movie before we know what's later like like like JJ Redick is pot called timeout Stop the down screen. God damn. Hey on the team Like JJ Redick is pot. Call timeout. Stop the down screen. God damn.

He ain't on the team. He ain't on the team. Stop the down screen. They keep running the same play. He is now. He is now. He ain't been playing. He's right here on the roster.

Right here. He's right here on the roster. So here. He's right here on the roster. So we asked the chat, whose side are you on? The options were Rashad, Lakers, or trash. And the other option were Gills, Lakers, or C+. 52% agree with Rashad that the Lakers are trash. Wow. Well, that's a contradiction. Hold on.

Paulo. Don't make me. Wait, hold on, Paulo. Hold on. Paulo. Wait, hold on, Paulo. Before we do it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So 52% said the trash. Can you go back to the last poll?

Read the last poll again. What grade do you give the Lakers so far this season? 3% said A. 16% said B. 16% said B. 62% said C. 19%. These motherfuckers are stupid. You just voted

62% C. So how does he win? Because I just gave my monologue. I just gave a great monologue. Did you not see all those people voting for Kamala and then they was like, how the hell did Trump still win? Because I say the right shit at the right time. And right when the vote come in, boom.

And you say it, and you don't even have to mean it. They ain't got to mean it. Because my eggs are still expensive. Man, trash is trash, though. When motherfuckers smell trash, they're like, that smell like trash. 52%, like, man, we did smell some trash before we voted. We smelt the trash.

Guess what we did? We made a mistake. Just backwards to E. We made a mistake. Like, if they voted, if 60% voted D, then it make, but they voted the same answer. They pushed the wrong button. I feel like the chat, they hold themselves to high educational standards.

Perhaps a C is in fact trash to them. He can't take it. He can't beat me, man. He can't win. He said trash is an F or D. They voted. You know our chat, not consistent. Because we're doing an NBA ticket giveaway.

Y'all know what it is. DMs. Y'all got it. We're going to give it. Have they been populating your DMs? They have been populating. Facts. A fact is gone.

A fact is gone. You got to have your point. You got to have your point. Your point got to be so strong to where it's just like, you just look like you lying. So, Sean, I want to get your opinion on, as our resident LeBron non-lover. Non-what?

Can I get a shot? This is the greatest. This is the greatest. You got him stressed out, man. You got him stressed out over there. You got some more Red Bull. And I have my Bible. I don't even know why we go to college.

This is crazy. See, this is why. No, while we go to college. This is crazy She doesn't watch you know that is backwards Bro 62 Mistake all of them was like we pushed the wrong button. It's like when the NBA like he won like Defensive player of the year, but he don't make first team. He makes second team or third team. That's one of those. It's just like, wait, what?

About your thing about making a mistake. You said Steve Kerr made a mistake yesterday? He made a mistake in the Olympics. Mr. B, do you have a thought on that? He said I was an idiot. I feel like an idiot when I did that. He said because you made a mistake. Do you agree or disagree?

We know you were watching. You were very active in the group chat. Also presented by underdog people. I don't think he made a mistake because the decision is to, I mean, the job is to go get the gold. And that was secure. So in that situation, it's by any means necessary. So he didn't make a bad decision or a mistake because he got the mission done. I was going to say that yesterday, but I like what we were talking about.

I figure I'll stay on my side. I was like, yeah, I don't want to go there. That's going to end it. Let's just keep it going. Let's keep this motherfucker going. Quick question for you before we move on. This was the second time LeBron pulled up to watch Ohio State win the national championship. He also attended the game back in 2015 at Cow up to watch Ohio State win the national championship. Yeah.

He also attended the game back in 2015 at Cowboy Stadium when he was with the Cavs. So after Ohio State won the 2015 chip, LeBron played in the game the very next day, put up 33.7 rebounds, five dimes, and a loss to the Suns. Any issue with LeBron attending the college football national championship game in Atlanta on his off day? Mm-mm. Okay, that's it. Not at all. Wait, in Atlanta, and he day. Mm-mm. Okay, that's it. Not at all. Wait, in Atlanta?

And he had a game the next day at home? So he lost to the Clippers Sunday. He was in Atlanta on Monday, back in LA Tuesday to defeat the Wizards, drop his triple-double. Second person, age 40 or over, to do so. I mean, listen. I mean, seasons don't mean nothing. Remember, they trash. Yeah.

That's what it's... At the end of the day, that's where it comes from. So, see, if I want to fight Atlanta, if I want to do it, it don't matter. It don't matter. It don't matter. We ain't winning the championship anyway. I'm just having a good time. Free tacos on me, man. Delicious tacos.

Taco Tuesday! I've looked at LeBron's tacos on Taco Tuesday. Not my cup of tacos. Not ones you can put ketchup on. Damn. Where's Chicago? I believe in the Midwest. In the Midwest? Midwest, Midwest. How far is Atlantic City from Chicago? Believe in the midwest in the Midwest how far is Atlantic City from Chicago? Atlantic City from New York close no driving

Why we just got a young this person didn't drive right right? He's too famous to drive, so I'm trying to figure out when did what you did in your off day become a big deal when we know people was flying to casinos, come and drop at 55. Fuck you. You know what I mean? Mike? Yeah. Playing cars all night with his rivals. You know what I mean? Like what you're doing is your day off. rivals. You know what I mean? Like, what you're doing, it's your day off.

Atlantic City to Chicago, 13-hour drive. Two-hour flight, I believe. Private. Just private. And a two-hour drive from New York City. It's just, see. It's like it's your day off. Like, if you're going to a spa, if you're going to a club, you're resting at home, you're flying to a game, you go watch a game at home.

It's your day off. As long as it doesn't affect your game play. Yeah. Right? That's really our rule, right? That's all that matters. I mean, he's 42. I mean, it don't matter.

He's 40. I mean, to me, it don't matter. They're not playing for nothing, the Lakers. That's what I'm saying. So technically, LeBron, four NBA championships, one in-season tournament championship. Two Ohio State football championships. Shout out, Care Bear, Karen, seven total championships. Mike was doing that and was getting winning rings.

Will the Bucs... I don't know if you want to ring that. I mean, I'm... Yes, you're correct. Because I'm pretty sure it's not like he just did it once. I'm sure he did it every year. Coming from the casino right to Thane was happening. Or getting back on the golf course. On a golf course on game day.

That's worse. On a golf course on game day coming out 18 holes and then whooping your ass. Goddamn. It was out of game five. All right. Or six, whatever. So now let's move this. I think this will be an interesting discussion.

I'm very curious to hear your gentlemen's opinions. So Kevin Durant made an appearance on the Out the Mud show with Z-Bone. Tony Allen recently was asked to give his top five pure hoopers. And here was his list. I'm going to leave out a lot of dudes. But if I'm going to go five off top because you just put me on a spot like that, I'm going to go Kyrie. That's the one.

It's a debate between Kobe and MJ at my two. And I know that you from Chicago, you might want to hit at MJ. I'm confused right now. But pure in this Kobe, Kobe can. Yeah. That three ball, he can handle. He can have to wiggle. Yeah. And he can, he can handle. He got the wiggle. Yeah. And he can do all the technical stuff that MJ can do.

So it's a toss-up. I'm going to go Kobe at my two. I dig that. I'm going to go Melo at my three. No, I'm going to go T-Mac. I'm going to go T-Mac. I'm going to go T-Mac at my three. T-Mac.

T-Mac at my three. I'm going to have to play four since it's my team. Then I'm going to go KG at the five. I think KG underrated, man. KG too underrated, man. Shout out KD. Ankles looking more moisturized than normal when giving that top five pure hoopers list. So his list was Kyrie at the one, Kobe at the two, Team Mag at the three, himself at the four, KG at the five.

What are y'all thoughts on KD's top five pure hoopers list? Yo, who keeps untying your shoe? Me. When I keep crossing, when I'm just doing what I'm doing. But how? This is an assistant trend on this show. You're like a nigga in a wheelchair. Oh, his shoe's untied.

Like, what are you doing? Why you got on shoes? Yeah, like, why is his shoes untied. Like, where are you going? Like, what are you doing? Why you got on shoes? Like, yeah, like, why is your shoes untied? What have you been doing? Why they dirty? Yeah, like, what the fuck? You should have... Stop!

He been sitting in here in the shoes. Like, what you doing? Crip walk. You doing a titty roll? You doing a titty roll? You know what's so funny is every time I see somebody in a wheelchair, the first thing I look at is their shoes. Yeah. I want to see if their shoes dirty.

Like, man, if you don't give Gil some straps. I want to see if their shoes dirty, though. Like, what you got scars for in your shoes? What you doing, man? Are they just dragging you or something? Like, what the fuck is going on here? This is, this is, this is... You got them white Timbs and they all dirty.

That don't make sense, man. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, what the fuck is going on here? This is... You got no white teams and they all dirty. That don't make sense, man. Just...

All your ones look like you've been playing in dirt. No, no, no. It's just... Shit. Ball up. Ball up top. Ball up top. Check up, man. Check up ball. You panhandling on the side? Like, what are you really doing, man? Crazy. Check up, man? Crazy.

Mm. Mm. Check out, man. Check out. Back to KD's pure hooper list. Kyrie at the one, Kobe at the two, T-Mac at the three, himself at the four, KG at the five. Are you guys rolling with KD's pure hooper list?

I like it. It's his list. Yeah. It's his list. It's his list? It's his list. Well, I's his list. It's his list. It's his list. Well, I have three gentlemen who play basketball at a high level.

I want to know, who is your list of top five pure hoopers, Mr. B? These are just people that you've seen. You have to go all throughout the course of history. You don't got to throw Bob Cousy on there. Just picking up a ball and just being like Mike Beasley, Jordan Crawford, Jamal Crawford. I mean, yeah, I mean, you got all the players that he said too. That's fair. You got two more.

Pure hoopers. I mean, Kobe. Or... I'm gonna go KD. You'll be fine. And that's just like, just watching, like, just picking up a ball and just going. Mm.

Okay. Me? We'll go over to Cemetery Larry first. Gil, this is your show. Gil's Reader, presented by Underdog Woop Woop. Woop Woop. Uh, I'm gonna... put Allen Iverson over Kyrie.

Ooh, okay. And I'll keep the list the same. So you would have Allen Iverson, Kobe, T-Mac, KD, KG. Pure Hooper. That's pure Hooper. Pure Hooper, yeah. I like that. I like that list a lot. Now stepped on pure.

I like that list a lot. I'm going to go... Just... Pistol Pete. Mm. Shout out homework basketball. That's a good one. I'm gonna go at the two, I'm gonna go Colb.

Three, James Harden. Four, KD. At the five, I'm gonna have Dream. Who? Dream, Hakeem Ousmane. Because I think he just went by position, so I'm gonna just... Hakeem, pure hooper. Mm. Mm-mm-mm.

Should I see you twirling your spiked bat? Mm-hmm. I didn't hear a certain name on that list. Did not either. That's weird. On whose list? His. Anybody's. Everybody's.

What name did you not hear? The greatest of all time. I didn't hear them say LeBron either. I don't know. Huh? You didn't hear it either? We didn't hear LeBron's name mentioned in the Pure Hoop game. I was going to say LeBron? We didn't hear LeBron's name mentioned in the Pure Hope. I was going to say LeBron.

You didn't hear LeBron or Jordan? No. Hey, we just... Pure? Everybody had who? Like just throwing out... Everybody had who? Like just...

Everybody had who? This roller... Everybody said who? Kobe. Who was left off and everybody said who? Kobe. Kobe at the two. And then one man said, ah, toss up, but I'm going to take this guy.

He got that ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. He did essentially say that ding, ding, ding, ding. That's a lot of pure hoopers, but. Only one that make everybody list. At the same position. I'm going to take that dog. Take him. So you think since high school, Michael was pure like just raw you got cut he did get cut Kobe Ryan was

When they take that listen, we're talking about ice like on down Like Hooper in basketball. Yeah, just very different. I mean like nobody's gonna say Tim Duncan was like This is like, you know what I mean? I would have said skip to my Lou. I mean, we're just talking about just pure picking up a ball, like from streetball to the NBA to the final. We're talking about just picking up a ball. I'll tell you, just guys that's just rolling out.

Mahmoud? Why wouldn't you pick LeBron? He's a basketball player. For me, he's a basketball player. Five on five, strategic type of player. Also know the hoop. We're talking about pure hoop. We're talking about one on one. Just one on one, just go out there and no matter, no structure, no structure, they're

going to get it done. Yeah. Well, I think LeBron's a more structured player. He's a structured player. Than just like... Like, please don't get any blood on your shirt, sir. Like, I think Mike is a structured player. Michael Jordan in a system.

So you think all the players that KD named are all true hoopers? Yeah. Pure hoopers, all the players he named. Pure hoopers? Yeah. Yeah, I seen Kobe without a system and just go for four, like, don't matter. Like go get it. Even, even KG, like we've seen KG when he plays one-on-one and he's playing pickup

basketball like he's a hooper. Oh yeah, the USA, yeah. No, he's a, he's a hooper, like so yeah. Yeah, he is then. Out of all those pure hoopers, which one of them, or how many of them are actually basketball players too? From KD's list? Mm-hmm.

So it was Kyrie, Kobe, T-Mac, KD, KG, just for reference. Uh-uh. Shit. Shit. Kyrie's a basketball player? Shit. Kobe Bryant's a basketball player? T-Mac the basketball player

TMAC Basketball players well, yeah, he meant for all He just he just wrong to me. Yeah, he might be the only one in this Yeah, he might be the only one that's just like raw who TMAC in that list Like are there basketball players because they won? No. Or they know how to be basketball players if they need to be. Then I would say all of them, then. I'd say not T-Mac. So the chat is suggesting Melo. He hasn't.

No, because when Melo had to be structured and put into... He couldn't do it, yeah. No, when he got put into USA Basketball and had to structure his game, he simplified his game and became the leading scorer every year, so... But as a pure hooper, would you consider Melo to be... Yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah. A name for a definition, one of the definitions.

I mean, your five can be whatever. It's just what you feel. Your five is your five. Like who you've seen. Want to give the chat some love. They are participating in the conversation. I ain't putting Mike in that. Got cut as a JV.

Mm. Ain't good enough. Wait your turn. Wait your fucking turn. Yeah, that's old, man. Wait your fucking turn. I mean, you are great, but watch out.

Watch out. Go play baseball. Watch out. This ain't it. This ain't it. Boy, was he wrong. Go work out. Go work out. Go play baseball. Watch out. This ain't it. This ain't it. Boy, was he wrong. Go work out. Go work out.

We saw Space. MJ. Getting cut from JV. But he did come back several years later and help Kane overcome that same situation. Will Steve Nash be considered a hooper? A pure hooper? Yeah. In Canada? I'm sure. Would he be considered a hooper? A pure hooper? Yeah. In Canada, assuredly.

Would he be considered a hooper? Nah, Jason Williams. I was going to pick him. I was thinking about Jason Williams. But you don't think Steve, like, how he played the game? I don't count European players as pure hoopers. Because right from the jump, they're just fundamental. Nah, Steve, what he's saying is Steve Maddox.

Like everything is. I mean, will Shea be a peer hooper, though? Shea? Yeah. He's from Canada? North America? No, his game, not his country. Will his game be considered peer hooper?

Because you was ready to, like, you was just about to throw it over there anyway. No, but, like, how he plays the game, will he be put in that peer hooper? I think basketball, because I would compare him to Ja. When you say Ja, peer hooper like how he plays the game. Will he be could put in a basketball cuz I would compare him to Jah When you say Jah pure Hooper how he Go out there and do shit from the park in the game. Shade more structure That's all that's cone work the shade be doing. Yeah, she do cone work out there

He's Conan in the middle. Come here like John D. Rose is more like pure Hooper. Yeah, pure. Like, just the ability to... How about Luka, then? No, that's basketball. Basketball player. No, that's basketball. That's that... Europeans aren't pure Hoopers to me. They got to work on it.

Yeah, it's... Like, you're going to get in the gym, two hours, work on this shit. 100%. Fundamentals. Stay there. Pass like this. Two minutes. Okay.

No play. Okay. Ginobili. Mmm. Like, two minutes. Okay. No play. Okay, Ginobili. Mmm. Ah, because he, at first. At first. At his style, like his. Where's the spoon?

He came in pure. I was going to say, do you think, I don't know if the system stole him or they just created space because of what he did. I think when he first came in, when he had the hair, the hair Ginobili. And he was out there just doing shit. He was doing, he was pure. I'll be forgetting about the hair Ginobili. The hair Ginobili was good. God damn. Yeah.

I forget. Where is it taught though? Like where is it taught at a young age? That's why I said their teaching is different from us. We got to roll out the ball. All right, we're going to see who's good. Like they strike from the jump. But like even like Patty Mills, wouldn't he be considered a hooper?

Right, Patty Mills. That was a shooter. Nah, he's just a shooter. He's not. He's like Eddie House. He's like Eddie House, bro. Drozdik Petrovic. Right? Petrovic? Yeah. Yeah, he a hooper. Yeah, that's a him. That's a nobly, um... The fundamental hoopers.

There's somebody else. You comparing them to a guy like Jason Williams, looking at J. Will, White Chocolate, that's weird. The year-old behind the back, the shit he was trying. Short? No. Mm-mm.

He's a basketball player. He's a basketball player. He wouldn't dare go out of his element to try to be a hooper. It's uncomfortable. It's not a bad thing. He wouldn't dare go out of his element to try to be a hooper. It's uncomfortable. It's not a bad thing. It's just it feels weird because you're like, it's not basketball. See, as much as we want to say Giannis, he's one of those that's like, ah.

Manufacturer. Okay, just manufacturer. I think Europeans, I think they're fundamental hoopers. Dame? I think fundamental hoopers. Dame? Dame's a Hooper. C.J. McCullough, yeah. No, C.J. McCullough's a basketball player.

A fundamental Hooper. He's definitely like your view. That was a no-no. You got fundamental Hoopers and then Hoopers. Yeah. Bradley Bill and Booker. Booker's a fundamental Hooper. Fundamental.

They can hoop. But you wouldn't just say they Hoopers. You'd just be like. Fundamental. Fundamental. They can hoop. Okay, yeah. But you wouldn't just say they hoopers. You'd just be like, nah, they know how to play the game. Okay. Lamello. Hooper.

That's just Hooper. Hooper. Okay. All right, all right. Now, he needs a whole nother tier level of Hooper, like extreme hoop. He's like, yeah, he's an extreme Hooper. He's a hoop fan. He's an extreme Hooper.

Jeez, that boy. He's such on a level, we didn't even think about him. For real. We gotta think about the shit he tries in the game. Bro, that shit. He like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, heoper. Geez, that boy. He's such an 11-11. We didn't even think about him. For real. We gotta think about the shit he tries in the game. He like Pistol Pete.

That motherfucker out there. He like Pistol Pete. Yeah, he like Pistol Pete. If Pistol Pete was here today, with the three longs. You know what's up? Pistol Pete, LaMelo, and Jason Williams are in that category of like, yeah. What the fuck? Y'all on some different shit.

You might throw some. Y'all on some shit. The rest, everybody else don't even think about hit the ball We don't get subbed Yeah, like you like you play for your daddy your whole life. You just had the freedom Didn't play for nobody else cuz this shit you sitting trying nofucker throw it off in the middle of a NBA game. Throw it off the backboard, pass, catch it like, oh, wow. Little Coco like that. Little Coco out here.

I'm just going to ask this, because I saw the clip trending recently, Arvidas Sabonis. I know y'all saw the clip recently on Twitter, him throwing the pass and posing. He's been making his rounds. Ooh. Sabonis? Arvidas?

They out there? Hooper. They out there? Arvidas was a hooper. Arvidas came in the league hooping. He got old, though. Yeah. In the Soviet block.

Yeah. But nonetheless. All right, well, appreciate that discussion. Let's keep this thing moving. We got one more thing we want to talk about before we get to mostly fans. So, Kay Cunningham, Jalen Green were the top two picks in the 2021 NBA draft, but their basketball rivalry dates back to high school when the pair were constantly pitted against each other

in rankings and AAU tournaments and all the like. They've also both had some memorable moments this season in their two meetings against each other. So let's take it back to November. You may remember this play. Jalen Green came through. Oh my Lord. Yelled in his face.

He did it. Ended up getting a tech. Then got into it with B-Stew. Mmm. Oh, my goodness. But shout-out K. Cunningham. You know, tried to defend the hoop. Who got a tech?

Jalen Green got a tech after this play. I think he got into it with B-Stew afterwards. But let's fast-forward to MLK Day. A little black on black crime. Boom. He proceeded to tell them it was on all UM efforts. Let's watch it. Another look.

Kade got his get back. Pistons got the win to improve the 22-21 season. So, Kade made an appearance on Inside the NBA Tuesday where Adam Lefkoe, shout out my guy Lefkoe, asked him about the rivalry with Jalen Greene. Cunningham offered these thoughts, saying, quote, it's exactly that. We want to compete against each other. They've always put us up against each other since high school as far as who is better,

and I think we both kind of enjoy to be able to head up against each other and see who's the best. So that was the quote part. There was music on. I each other and see who's the best. So that was the quote part. There was music on it, couldn't run that part of the video. But Cade also had this to say. That's nothing more than that. No handshakes before the game, nothing like that. I don't think we need any of that. We both kind of know what it is.

He's smart, because that was the corporate answer. But I... You know. I know what you mean. I want to say... But it's refreshing. I speak your language, brother. You know. I know what you mean. But it's refreshing. I speak your language, brother. So, is it good to see two young players with a robbery on the court?

Nothing malicious. By and close to the light-skinned type of robbery. You know, no fisticuffs, but they talking shit to each other, going at each other, and trying to hoop. Yeah, no, I think this is good for the league. I mean, you know, you got KD, you got Stafford, you got Braun, you know, the three of the best, greatest ever to play, you know, in an era, in an era. Like, we have the greatest three to ever play in an era,

getting ready to retire. So, you know, the league needs something new. So new rivals are dope. Yeah. Both of those guys are really good, but I think that Cade Cunningham is the future. I think no one can see it right now because it's in Detroit. And that's the bad part about being in a place like that.

You know, SGA had to deal with it, and he rebuilt. As he got comfortable, he started learning how to do that leadership thing, and I think with Kade, he's been there long enough now to really see that he could take the team to the next level, if he gets some more pieces that are more veteran-savvy type shit. And I think him and Jalen Green are going to be the future of the league. I I mean you look at who we got to choose from between

Tatum Brown Jalen green Luca Luca, you know, when be man You know the future is bright when it comes to talent Yeah, I'm saying but I think Kate is one of those guys that has a structure to kind of make basketball What we know it to be. Play it the right way, go get it the right way, and still have grit and competitiveness. Yeah, well, that's why he's in Detroit. I think where he's at in Detroit is fine.

I mean, they have winning culture. Like, you know, they got some banners up there, you know. He's doing some rebuilding. Yeah, they got a young core. It just, like, depends on if they stay together. Like you said, like, a lot of teams are just trying to win now. What is the win now? If they're going to stay together, they're going to keep building and adding pieces.

Because he is a player that you do want to play with because he does pass the ball. Does pass the ball. So Kade, 23 years old. Jalen Green, 22, will turn 23 in February. Still young. Still young. I'll give you their head-to-head. They're 2-2 in their four meetings against each other.

In those meetings, Cade is averaging 21.7 assists, 6 rebounds. Jalen Green averaging 20.5 rebounds, also still, per game. So, Gil, what do you think about this young burgeoning, not even say burgeoning, but this young rivalry with Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green, as it continues to mature in the NBA? I mean, I think that they're both living up to, you know, the debate who was better in high school,

who was better coming into the draft, one, two, right? I think right now both of them are just very different at what they do. One is a highlight reel. One is a solid player who knows how to get it done. So how they play and approach the game every year is going to go down to when these guys retire. I think that's one of these type of match-ups that they're going to compete.

They're going to keep pushing the limit, winning, non-winning. And I don't think we're going to see who wins this race between these two until the end. And I think that's a good thing because they get to both go into the summer thinking who's better, you know, it's kind of like magic and bird did you know? back then I think that's one of these rivalries that That they're gonna always self check each other because the other one's gonna be doing something so Rock is currently second in the West Mmm Pistons Seventh in the Eastern Conference right now I think of those two teams we would have been less expecting the Pistons

to be performing so well just based on previous seasons. Both? Both. Both. They've been in the same position for so long. Rockets have a better team, right? They have a better team because they got Sangoon. They got...

I don't know, man. Better than Durden, Jalen, and they got Sangoon. They got... I don't know, man. Better than... Durden, Jalen, and they got Stewart. But is anybody better than Sangoon on that team? I think when you talk about being able to sustain Sangoon, I think Stewart and them, they can

isolate him. No, no, I'm just talking about just the talent. Yeah, talent matchup. I think... Right now, Detroit training in that direction. That talent is the offense versus defense. Yeah. I think they match like Ben Wallace against somebody like Shaq. Ben Wallace versus Shaq. It's like, okay, we're going to have to isolate this. Now who else we got on that team that don't match up with the business? I'm just saying Jalen Green's team is better.

So his numbers are going to be down. You got Cade, who team is developing. So he has to produce more numbers. So it's like they're here where they're projected. who team is developing, so he has to produce more numbers, right? So it's like they're here where they're projected. So both teams is better than what anybody expected, so they're both doing their damn job, right? You can't say Cade is not pushing his team up.

He is. We've seen what they did last year. We see where they are now. We've seen what they did last year. We see where they are now. We see Houston where they were last year. They came on at the end, almost made the playoffs. So they continue that, and we see where they are. So both are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. Both got it back.

Obviously, different circumstances. Yo, question. So out of all these young'uns that are coming up, right, who peaks first? Out of all these young'uns that are coming up, right, who peaks first? Out of all these young'uns that are coming up. From that? Yeah, from that crew, from the Anthony Edwards, from the Tatums, from the Browns, from the Jalen Green. The Tatum men, they're peaking already, so they're a little bit older.

So they can't get. So they can't get better. I mean, they're in the peak. These other ones are still trying to learn. And 23, Jalen Green, 22, I believe, K, 23. They're all in that. These other ones are still trying to learn. Ant 23, Jalen Green 22, I believe. Kade 23. They're all in that 23 range, though. Obviously, Jalen Green 23.

I think Anthony Edwards might be in trouble. Facts. We asked this question, I believe, last week. Facts. I think because... Is it early? No, because... But what I'm saying, they're all the same age,

so you're going to take... Remember, Anthony Edwards is only 23, so you're putting him in front of... We had this convo, the Ant-Cade convo last week. Shout out Nate Jones. Listen, it's different, bro. Listen. It's different right now.

Listen, with these youngins coming up, I think he's going to get lost in the sauce. He is the youngin. He's just been in the league longer. No, I'm saying I think he's about to peak in the next one or two years. It ain't going to look like y'all think. With all the other youngins. Ant-Man's going to peak in the next one or two years. It ain't gonna look like y'all think. With all the other young... You're saying Ant-Man's gonna peak in the next one or two years, it's not gonna look... I mean, listen, with the... I mean, I think that trade hurt him.

It did. It did. Let's just say, but he's a... Like, if he was on a bad team, he would be right in the same position as them. He's just been on a... He's fortunate to just have a good team. But at 23, he's already a two-time all-star in the all-NBA program. So he's far in front of these guys. What it does is it saves him playing on a good team saves him from making all those nasty mistakes

that we see Jalen Green was making. See how nasty it looked in Detroit because on the team, they get to make mistakes. When you're on a good team, you can make mistakes, but y'all still good because y'all a good team. You can make up for your mistakes. I can make up for your mistakes. But when you're playing by yourself and Edwards,

and you got to go out here and take them bad shots on top of the ones you already take on your good team, more of them, and you don't get the ball back type shit, you could probably average 26, 27. Yeah. But that's going to look nasty. And you're going to end up putting your team in a position that Houston was in, trying to rebuild, and it's going to look nasty.

I just think it's quiet over there. So a question for you guys. In your opinion, and obviously there's no right answer, but what's a better situation for a young player to develop in? We saw Cade have to take his lumps early on, be on a trash team, but have to be the man on that team, figure it out. That team trend in the right direction. Jalen Simler obviously has Shang-Goon and other guys coming in

to help build that team in the winning program. You talk about Ant coming into a situation where he didn't have to be the guy right away. Didn't start right away. Ant is in the worst position out of all of them because he's one at an early age where everybody's developing. So he does it, the grace period

of like Cade or Jalen has where they get to develop their game and then the team is built around them. So they lose and lose and lose and where no one's counting on them to win. And then when they're in position, they can start winning.

Well, he's won and been winning and making playoffs from the beginning. It's the Tatum and Brown situation where they're winning and winning accolades. And what ends up happening is people get tired of it and then say, what are you going to do? When are you going to take the next step? And the motherfucker is sitting there like, bitch, I'm 24, 25. I have, like, the guy you're putting me against ain't even been in the playoffs, but he has more grace period than me. I mean.

So he will be talked down upon when his team, when he's 25 or 26, and they decide to rebuild, but he's so young, they're going to rebuild but he's so young they're gonna rebuild around him that's gonna be the problem i mean they was i mean they would have did the same thing to code no there's only a few people that came in and they won so early like braun they was doing the same thing to braun no nobody no they were bro when braun wasn't when braun went to the finals and and got swept they was on Bron head. Yeah. Bron came. Well, listen, there's no player ever. Because it was a 62-win season.

That was a 62-win season and they got swept. Listen, there's no player in the history of the NBA that will ever have as much hype as LeBron James or pressure. So as long as he's still playing today, they still think he should be winning championships. There's no player ever. But that's the unfairness of it. No, it's not. If you want to be called the greatest, that's the pressure that comes with ever. But that's the unfairness of it. No, it's not. If you want to be called the greatest, that's the pressure that comes with it. But none of the greatest did it.

They did do it. What do you mean? The greatest didn't do what? Didn't have pressure? They had pressure. What you saying? They compare Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan. What I go do? I go get five. You're talking about a 21-year-old took his team, the sorry bottom-feeding team, to the year old took his team this sorry bottom feeding team to the championship

I got swept but he took him to the championship, right? Mm-hmm. He he is laughed at for that Versus no, we didn't Michael Jordan take his team to the you know, he laughed at it Nobody knows what I'm saying is he got his name tarnished because he took his there was a sorry ass team Like I let's just be that sorry ass to the championship. Yeah, they got swept by goddamn Tim Duncan. If they win, you're going to be praised. If they won, he gets praised. He should be praised for being

that's not how it fucking works, bro. If you get praised for fucking winning the whole conference and we yay and you mean to tell me we're supposed to praise you for losing too? He don't know what it's like praise you for losing to Nobody cares I care I care all the shit because I've been to Cleveland before we know Let's try this way then if

Detroit Pistons make it to the championship and they get swept in the championship, this team right here makes it to the championship and gets swept in the championship, are we going to downplay Cade what he did? That's not the same player. Or we want to tell you. That's not the same player.

And he definitely don't have the same game. I'm about to say, yeah, the expectations ain not the same LeBron James 100 million coming out of high school. Yes. They are expecting him to be that we are calling you the next George Chosen one on your back is just different. It's different pressure First of all the white suit come on even no one even thought he was going to turn a franchise around that big. Who? Who? No one. Who? Are you talking about LeBron James?

I was a fan. I know. I was rooting for him. They wasn't rooting for him. The kid came out $100 million. He came out $100 million and he's wearing the 23. Bro, they was, come on, man. They called the chosen one.

LeBron James. Come on, man. I knew he was going to change the franchise around. LeBron James was Hall of Fame in one game. His first game. He wasn't in high school. He wasn't even in the league yet. So they wasn't there listening to these people. We were.

Nobody knew right there what you're talking about. They're not having secret conversations. Niggas can't hear, bro. The media is sitting here talking about it, bro. What are you talking about? I'm saying no one thought he was going to turn the team themselves into going to the championship that fast.

No, no, not that fast. That's what I'm saying. But I knew he was going to change the franchise around. That is all cap. That's all cap. No, no, no. LeBron James was the generational player we'd never seen before in the history of the game. He went number one.

He could have went number one his junior year. What are y'all talking about? I know that. He was the chosen one. He came into the game. Everybody was like, oh, my God, LeBron James, first game. First bucket was a dunk. We knew at that moment it started.

Here we go. Here we go. He wasn't even named the king yet. He wasn't even the king. They already were like, hey, LeBron going to do some damage. Year two? Year three? Come on, bro.

What are we talking about? LeBron was going to do some damage. No one thought the team was going to have success that fast. That's what we're saying. We're not talking about him. I didn't see that. We're talking about the team. Just like his teammates went on record talking shit. Like, are we friends?

That was the first year. It was rookie year. Yes. It wasn't even a league yet. It wasn't even a league yet. When we got rid of them niggas. Now think about it. And then we brought in all the niggas he wanted, and then now it became the LeBron James show? No, that's just a bad narrative.

It was LeBron. No, that's a bad narrative. What you mean? That's what happened. No, that was not what happened. They didn't get rid of them. They got rid of established players. They did not get rid of them.

They put in a bunch of random players. Darius Miles, Carlos Boozer, Ricky Davis was all gone. Those all three of the guys that said something. Think of them again. Out of here. Out of here. Out of here. Think about the players you just named. If he had those players moving forward,

that team would have been successful. But the team didn't like him. They got rid of him, broke a bunch of other players, and he turned that into... No one thought he was going to turn a team into a winning product that fast. You went from 17 games to 35... You didn't think that. The league did! I was in the league!

You didn't think that. I was there! It happened though. Of course. What do you mean of course? But he didn't get praised for it. What? That's what I'm saying.

What? LeBron James didn't get praised for a 62 win season getting swept in... No he didn't. What? No he didn't. He didn't get praised? No he wasn't. Oh, okay. He wasn't getting praised. I mean he wasn't getting praised. Nobody, he wasn't. He just made the up. He wasn't being pushed. 62 win season. He wasn't being pushed? Yeah, I mean they were pushing the mic narrative. Everything was mic'd. We're talking about the team success. It wasn't the, LeBron, not him. Like, right now, Wimby right now. We're in real time right now.

We see Wimby's team, right? If they go to the playoffs this year. If they go to the championship this year, we're not going to say, well, god damn. I don't give a fuck if you guys swear. We didn't expect the Spurs to be in the championship. We don't expect the Spurs to be in the championship to win don't expect the Spurs to be in the championship to win. Yeah, I'm going to say, Wimby's not LeBron. LeBron is a different.

The Cavs were 50-32. Yeah, he gave them 50 games. They won at least 50 games. They never had a 60 game. Not when he went to the finals. Not when he went to the finals at 21 years old. Their first 61 season was 2008-09. They lost to the Magic in the conference finals. And was the sixth one? Their first 61 season was 2008-09. They lost to the Magic

in the conference finals. Uh-huh. And the next one was? They were 61-21 lost in the conference semis to the Celtics. That's the one I was referring to. The man went to the finals.

That's the one I was referring to. The man went to the finals his second year in the NBA. And then he peaced out. That being his third year in the NBA. He went to the finals his third year in the NBA. Third year.

20 years old, man. Yeah, LeBron. If Wimby goes to the finals. LeBron James, bro. If Wimby goes to the finals. LeBron James, bro. If Wimby goes to the finals, we're talking about the team, not the player. The team.

If Wimby takes the Spurs to the championship within the next two to three years, what happens there should be irrelevant. The fact that his talent turned over and became dominant that fast to get them there. He went to a bottom-feeding team. So when you go to a bottom-feeding team, it needs about, what, six, seven years.

Moving the goalposts now. No, I'm not moving the goalposts. Here we go. There's only a few people who came into the league and won a championship because of their team. First is that fast. We moved it from this to that fast. Now it depends on this team and all that. I've been saying the same thing. You're saying something different. Oh, you're saying that fast.

You thought he won 60 games. You're talking about when he won. I said 60, 62. You said 62. 62. He won fifth. I was referring to the Boston Celtics. And I'm talking about the third. I'm talking about the year he got. You talking about the year he got swept.

I'm talking about the year he gets swept. Why didn't he get credit? You're talking about expectations. Why didn't he get credit? Expectations. Why didn't he get credit for getting that team there? When he came in the league at 19, his expectations. His.

Him. His personal! Means to take us to the promised land, chosen one. We got you. You're supposed to be the next greatest. Take us to the fucking promised land. Okay, first year didn't happen. Cool.

Second year didn't happen. Third year, oh, LeBron gave us what we thought he could give us. Thank you, Lord Jesus. I mean, the hype was crazy. That's not how it went. I mean... What the fuck are we talking about, bro? I mean, there's no other basketball player that I've what the fuck are we talking about I mean there's no other

basketball player that I've witnessed with that much hype so just as a basketball player just as a basketball coming in wait wait so just as a basketball player

the hype of Wimmy if they make it to the championship next year you're not gonna say god damn this motherfucker is that nice no I'm not

or you're just gonna say oh you got swept fuck up he's not LeBron James it don't matter it does we know what his team looks like and we know him if he are y'all up. He's not LeBron James. It don't matter. It does. We know what his team looks like, and we know him.

If he... Are y'all serious? No, it's not the... It just don't... I won't feel it. He wasn't looking at Wimby since he was 14. Like, LeBron, I mean, I was a kid, so... He ain't gonna be that guy.

To me, looking at a high school kid doing that early, that's just different for me. Yeah, man. LeBron was doing his thing since he was 14. Like, Wimby is like, all right. LeBron's fourth season, I believe, when they went to the finals. It's not the same, man. LeBron's just different coming in. His pressure.

He had all the pressure. He had all that. He's different. His's four season, I believe, when they went to the finals. It's not the same, man. LeBron's just different coming in. There's pressure. He had all the pressure. He's different. His team, you still, his team was his team. I ain't never heard you say team as much. You started saying team a lot. I just, I'm expecting greatness from LeBron no matter where he went. Because the players who were there were like, God damn, he turned that sorry-ass team to that fast?

That's crazy. Nah. It ain't never been a that fast kind of conversation. Because no one's ever done it that fast. I don't know. that fast kind of conversation. Because no one's ever done it that fast. I don't know. It ain't a conversation. Because no one's ever done it. No one cares about the speed on which you do it.

Because no one's ever done it. No one cares about the speed on which you do it. I was just waiting on you to win a championship. Do it. Get it done. No one's ever done it. Get it done. We don't care how fast you do it. Y'all pushed the wrong narrative.

We don't care how fast you do it. You're the one talking about speed, how fast you do it. Who cares? You push personal hate. Like, push real... Like, hating someone and pushing a narrative that's because you hate them, that's just wrong, dog.

Or pushing someone that don't supposed to be pushed is wrong, too. Leave him where he at. Let him push himself. He don't need your help. He don't need your help. He don't need your help. Well, let's...

Let him push himself. You ain't gotta push him, put him up there. let's shift. Let him push his self. You ain't got to push and put him up there. Nah, yeah, let him push his self. Let's shift back to Kay Cunningham real quick before we move on to mostly fans. So the final NBA All-Star starter fan votes were released last week. Cunningham finished seventh amongst Eastern Conference guards. So as a reminder, fans account for 50% of the vote to decide the All-Star starters. Players in a media panel account for 25% each so Gil during a recent episode of Gil's

arena presented by underdog wolf you said that cage should consider moving to a bigger market to truly allow his game to flourish in so many words just paraphrasing so those comments got the attention of Pistons head coach JB Bickerstaff who had this response I would just disagree. Kevin Durant was pretty good in Oklahoma City. Tim Duncan was pretty good in San Antonio. I mean, like this day and age, the basketball travels, right? There's so many outlets, so many people following cameras. The game is so big that, you know, to me, I just disagree with that. There was a time where you needed to be in New York or LA or Boston to be marketable or whatever it may be, but Detroit's won championships

with a certain style of play. And you'd be hard pressed to tell me Chauncey Billups, Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas, Rasheed Wallace, you know, Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamill. Like, I could go on and on, obviously, about those guys, that they needed to be somewhere else to get the job done. So I don't agree with it. You know, I think there's a lot of facts behind that. Did he name a fact behind it? He pointed to some players who thrived in smaller markets. What was the

what was my quote about his markability? You said he has a big big market type of game. It needs to be a big market game to allow his game to flourish I believe something along those lines. And he said he disagrees. He said he disagrees. And he named who? Kevin Durant. Uh-huh. Said he was pretty good in OKC, right? OK. And then he named somebody else.

Who did he name again? Tim Duncan, right? Tim Duncan, Spurs. Best power forward ever, right? Yeah. And most people, when we talk top five, they forget to bring them ever, right? Yeah. And most people, when we talk top five, they forget to bring them up, right? You just forget about them, right?

Chauncey Billups too, right? Now, I was with Chauncey Billups after he won a championship with Adidas, and Tim Duncan was already, what, a three, four time all star. I sold more shoes than they did. I was more popular than they are. We released another pair of shoes before the Hall of Fame, Tim Duncan and the champion. So what he's saying is his opinion has nothing to do with the facts because the facts are still

the facts, right? We have Donovan Mitchell doing his thing over there, right? No one talks about it, right? Right? No one talks about it. Shea is number one over there, right? No one buys his shoes. Right?

He's in the fashion. He's in the can't sell no shoes. Jokic is over where he's at. MVP. Three-time MVP. What shoes does he wear? We don't know. We do not know what shoes he wears. We don't know.

No one is looking for him. No one cares. There is still there still is likability where your market is. It's actually still a thing. I get it, right? You want to push for your man because of who he is, but you take him and you put his 24, 25 in a bigger city, trust me, people will be talking about it.

New York? It's still a thing. It's still a market. I'm sorry. Don't blame me for saying it. You got De'Aaron Fox over there in Sacramento playing the way he's playing. No recognition. You got a man down in Atlanta who's been averaging a double, double,

20 and 10, 27 and something. Nobody talks about it. Right? So, the market is still the market. That's a fact. When you're doing your shoe contract, trust me, the percentages is, you're going to get more bonuses

being in a bigger market. And that's not my opinion. What's the big market cities? You're going to get more bonuses being in a bigger market. Mr. Simiturio. That's not my opinion. What's the big market cities? New York, L.A., Boston. I'll say Golden State. So L.A., New York, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, D.C., Miami. Would you say Toronto? Dallas. Dallas. Toronto has Miami, Dallas.

Toronto has its own market. It's weird. Still a billion people. Yeah, that's eight. Nine. Houston takes his like. Houston because of y'all. Okay, out of all them names you gave me, right?

Uh-huh. I'm thinking all the players that are on those teams. Philadelphia. Philadelphia, too. So you say, man, if he had more likability and markability in these big cities, more people would know about it. Sell more shoes and stuff, right? Mm-hmm.

Big city. Boston. Jalen Brown's shoe not selling out. Does he have a shoe? Yeah, he has a shoe. He just came out with one. Jason Tatum's shoe not selling out. All right, let's go to another market.

Miami. Big market? Yeah. Miami? So, I'll just from 2022, but I'll read NBA market size rankings. So, they have a market size ranking? TV market size and metro population. So, number one, you got the Knicks, Nets.

Hold on. Knicks, Nets. Who on the Knicks? Brooklyn. Who's on the Knicks? Jalen Hold on. Knicks Nets. Who on the Knicks? Brooklyn. Who's on the Knicks? Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown. Jalen Brunson.

Jalen Brunson. Does he have a shoe? No. Is he marketable? Yes. Yeah. Has he been marketed? Good podcast.

Has he been marketed? Like he's speaking of? No. No. Can we finish? Let me finish. Go ahead. Keep going. When he plays well, does not the world don't know about it? Nope. No one cares.

It's boring. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Last year was crazy. The same reason when Julius Randle thinks he about playing bad. The same reason everybody's calling Cat and praising Cat right now because of the market he's in. Nope. Cat in the MVP race right now.

What are you talking about? What are you talking about? So Nick's net is number one. Lakers Clippers market, LA market is two. Chicago market, three. Philly market, four. Who in Chicago is selling? They don't have no buyer.

Nobody. Okay, who else? Philly, four. Who in Philly is selling? Is anybody buying in B-Sketch? Anybody buying in Maxi's joints? All right, who else? Because Maxi is...

The Mavs are fifth. Mavs are fifth. Who's buying Kyrie's shoes? Who has a bigger... China. Who's buying Luca's shoes? I don't even know if Luca has a... All right, who else? Maxi is the Mavs are fifth. Mavs are fifth. Who's buying Kyrie's shoes? Who has a bigger... China. Who's buying Luka's shoes? I don't even know if Luka has a... All right, who's the big market?

Keep going. Luka has a... More big markets. Nobody's being promoted. I mean, who's buying Kyrie's shit? Nobody's on Toronto. He's naming everybody in the top five. Big markets.

Big markets. Golden State State. He's naming everybody and voting. Steph Curry got what? Under Armour. Who else on that team is doing... Selling anything or doing anything? Curry brands them up. Golden State State. He named every fucking guy and voted. Steph Curry got what? Under Armour. Who else on that team is doing anything? Selling anything or doing anything? Curry Brands.

That's it. Curry. Who else? Atlanta's eighth. Atlanta. Trey Young. Eight. Trey Young.

Number eight. Biggest market in the NBA. Can't get nobody to watch him play. Watch him play? Big market. Wait, watch him play? Big market. He signed with Jordan Brand sign with Jordan like what are you talking about is he selling just had three three we don't know we don't know he was good Adidas right yeah did he sell anything I still got them bulky ass shit in my fucking closet okay now I ain't put them shit on in one month one motherfucking bit Trey

I wore your shoes I enjoyed the Adidas shoes huh I enjoyed the Adidas shoes. Huh? I enjoyed your Adidas, Trey. If you have any excess... All of a sudden, guys like Donovan Mitchell not marketable? We not watching? How? Because your feed ain't on that feed. Wait, Donovan Mitchell's marketable?

Ain't it about feed? Ain't it about what you're watching? Ain't it about what you like? It's called preference, right? You said Donovan Mitchell is marketable? Listen, can you get outside of your preference? No, I just don't want to be inside yours. You're reading it. This is not mine. Are you reading it or not? I'm reading from the Internet.

It's not mine. It's you're reading it, right? Are you Googling? It's not my preference. You're reading the preference. Wait, Donovan Mitchell is marketable in Cleveland? Just you Googling. Tatum All-Star voting. Him, cat. Is he on his phone? Yeah. Did that get on my phone?

That's why you're wrong. Oh, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's why you're wrong. Okay, okay, okay. That's why you should say LeBron won six games. I just wish we didn't have phones. That's why LeBron won six games. If you didn't have no phone, we wouldn't know who was wrong or who was right. But that's why you can say LeBron.

We wouldn't know who was wrong or who was right. But I got my phone. Hey, because then it's who, who? Who sounds the best? I don't give a fuck about who sounds the best. Who can debate? I don't care about the debate. Who can debate?

It means nothing. You know when they're on the president of the debate, they say, you can't use your phone. I don't care. What you doing with your phone? You get a notepad. I don't care. I don't care. I don't give a fuck about who sounds the best. Who can debate? I don't care about the debate. Who can debate? You know when they on the president of the debate, they say, you can't use your phone. What you doing with your phone? You get a notepad.

I don't care about the debate. Go ahead though. Go ahead though. Go ahead though. Go ahead though. Okay, Jason Tatum, Karl Anthony's third now in votes? Okay. LaMelo's in front of Donovan Mitchell, Dame, and Jalen Brunson there.

Okay. We got Lakers. You gotunson there. Okay. We got Lakers. We got Wimby. Okay. Is he making any points? Are you just naming? I'm just naming the players, right? So, Cade being in Detroit, playing the way he's playing,

having seven triple doubles. Where does that rank? No one knows. Everyone knows. Where does it rank? You don't know. Where does it rank? You don't know. Where does it rank? You don't know.

You said everyone, so you mean in yourself? No. I mean everybody who pays attention to the game. Do you pay attention? Yeah. So how many? Where does he rank in triple doubles? Don't care.

Okay. So that means... It's a useless stat. Do you know? Do you know? Okay. Do you know? Yeah.

Where does he rank in triple doubles? Cade. Second. Is he second? your ranking triple doubles? paid Second is he second what you think is he second? Trouble double let's go, you know me. Hey, we got a break off of this. We got a break off of this Oh nine people don't know. Okay, exactly. Damn you niggas want to keep me ot. I didn't know ot But if it was Luca, you know how many they got? All right guys breaking news breaking news Miami Heat plan to suspend Jimmy Butler for two games. He missed the team flight on Wednesday,

was planning to join the team later on tonight. That's over. So he's keeping him home from his two-game road trip. What do you guys think about the Heat suspending Jimmy again? Two-game suspension. Missed the plane on Wednesday. Was planning to hit. It's a wrap.

They better figure something out. I mean, you don't get your way, that's how you're going to act. But the problem is there's a fine already. There's already a penalty for being late and missing the flight. There's already a fine for that. They changed it. In real time. I mean, I don't know their rules.

My rule book changed overnight. I mean, so he missed the flight. And then he met them there at night. He said he was going to meet them. Yeah, so you get fined for missing the flight. You already, like, I missed the bus. I get fined for that. Then I have to get my own way there.

But you just came back from suspension for detrimental to the team. Right, so you're still doing the same. It's like going to school, and you keep, like, they suspend you, and then you come, all right. Come on, man. All right, man. All right, well, go. Yeah attention again. Yep. All right now go home in school I guess it's like it's like it's just school Yeah, like you know what you're doing

So like let's be honest like you know what you like, you know when you want to come in here and be an asshole You know what you're doing? Like I don't everybody know you on asshole shit right now. He hit her at the Bucks on Thursday, so does it make it any different that it was a flight to Milwaukee? Does that change your opinion? I mean, maybe not going,

because that's where he finna end up. Mm. He was bringing the movement vans. But remember, I said that earlier. I said, all they're gonna do is just try to figure out how to find him. That's all this is gonna be about. Try to figure out how to find him. That's all this is going to be about. Try to figure out little ways to fucking just find him.

Because, oh, your short's too big. Two games suspension. Right. Oh, he yelled. He didn't look at the game tape while we was all watching film. He was late to the film. I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that.

He could easily just stay under the radar, your head down be at the meetings don't say nothing walk through everything yeah and you ain't got to be no distraction but you being a distraction bro okay but what we know when someone's trying to be an asshole right that the plane is supposed to leave at three o'clock yeah right and it. And it's three or five. Right. But the plane left at two fifty. Right. Two fifty because they want to prove a point. I mean, I doubt that's what happened. It's just not a good look, man. Like like like for me, because I'm a fan. It's not a good look for Miami to do this. It's not a good look for you. But it's not. You're trying to get rid of the product, aren't you? Nope. You're helping the other teams out. The more you keep doing it,

the more no one has to give up their assets for. But they're going to, though, because they know what Jimmy can bring. I don't have to. But we know what he can bring to the table.

But I don't have to. You... The black cloud is over your organization. Because? It's your you're telling us you don't like your girl. No, no. Why? What makes me want to? Why is the black cloud here? I don't give a fuck why it's there. You want to get rid of her, right? But this black cloud came from somewhere. But what I'm saying is it came from somewhere. But if you keep telling me what's wrong with it,

why do I got to buy it for the price you asking for? Because you still know what it's going to do. Imagine you want me to talk to this girl right here. You want to get rid of her, but you're telling me everything she's doing wrong. She don't care, though. She cheats every Tuesday. She can't cook.

She smells. She does this. She calls the police. What? She's ready to come right to you. But you could be lying because you don't want me to do It but it's public cuz once I get her, but you go be good But you're trying to sell me on a product, but you're you're publicly

Embarrassing it so no cuz she want to be with you so bad. She's ready to just do it for free That's how bad it is. She's like man. I I'ma go over here and just show him I'm cheating. I'ma just show him I'm not fucking with him, and then he gonna kick your ass out on the street. I still... Okay, cool. Once you kick her out on the street, I'ma pick her up for the pennies on the dollar. Exactly. Exactly. I said what I'm saying.

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's pennies on the dollar. So don't get mad when I'm giving you pennies on the dollar. We just glad we got rid of her. You're asking for $20? We just glad we got on the dollar. We just glad we got rid of her. You're asking for $20? We just glad we got rid of her. We just glad we got rid of her. That's all we want.

I think both parties going to win at the end of the day. Regardless if they get rid of her, I still think both parties going to win. Like, Jimmy going to get out of it. It's just. Once she out the house. Hey, man, we're going to play this game. It feels good in here again. The house feel good again.

But you're asking for $20. But you're asking for $20. And I'm giving you a dollar. I'm giving you a dollar. But you know he's not $20. We ain't got to deal with this headache no more. That's all you're asking for 20 bucks, and I'm giving you a dollar. I'm giving you a dollar. But you know he's not 20 bucks. We ain't got to deal with this headache no more. That's all you're asking. I'm getting my $20 back.

I'm going to get my $20 back regardless. That dollar is cool. We'll work with this. We can build on a dollar. Shit, I flip a dollar every time. We don't give a fuck about that. Get this out of here. Get this out my face.

Please. We will work with this dollar. I'm asking somebody what their rule is if you miss the flight. Yeah, but you know, Pat rules is different. Pat's standing on business, and I like it.

And I like Jimmy, but I just like, man, like you need GMs. You need GMs like this. This is why he's still there. Because if not, it's going to get out of control. Trust me. You will have somebody else coming up in there thinking that, you know, I'll run this because I went to the finals.

Man, listen, you didn't put one up. A few grand. I'm just. Missing the flight is a few grand. From Miami? From another team. Okay. No, from another team. Weing the flight is a few grand. From Miami? From another team. Okay. No, from another team.

We don't know Miami's though. Everybody got different rules, man. How did I guess he was going to do that? I don't know. I don't... I'm just saying, everybody got different rules. Give LeBron his cookies back. But I'm trying to figure out like, there should be...

But come on Gil. Like if you keep, if you keep fucking up And you keep doing stuff And you keep adding on To the problem Like what do you think Is going to happen So what I'm going to just keep Nah man we're going to

Add more to this Like you keep You keep testing me Like you think I'm a joke So what I'm saying is I'm Pat fucking Riley This is my shit But that becomes

Your ego not rules What Right and so this is Your ego too These are my rules Right and this is Your ego too But then let's see it

In the rule book. Because I guarantee you the rule book, it says a fine on claim. If you miss something, there's a fine. He said rule book? Yeah, there's a rule. We have rule books. I am the rule book. There we go again.

I'm Pat Riley. I'm the rule book. When you late to practice, there's a fine, right? You late to the bus, right? There's a fine that there's a fine a couple grand to miss something or be late to something. Yeah, right you miss the fucking bus Fine bring your ass to the game. Mr. Bush I mean, yeah, we did I mean, but I don't I don't know I yeah, yeah, but I mean Milwaukee. Yes I don't know though. I don't know other team so that I mean, Milwaukee, yes. I don't know, though. I don't know other teams. So that would mean if I'm willing to take a fine for a missed flight,

I can miss the flight every single game, and it'll be okay because I could just pay the fine. Miss the game or miss the flight to that city? Either one. No, it's not either one. I'm not missing the game. What's the fine for missing the game? It's a fine, right? There's no fine for missing the game. Okay, so it's a fine for missing the game? It's a fine, right?

There's no fine for missing the game. Okay, so it's a fine for missing the bus, right? Yeah, missing the bus. And then missing the flight, right? Missing the flight, right. So whatever that fine is, if I can get away with that shit just by paying a fine, I could be late every fucking game. Do you think I want to have that fucking shit as my organization

and just be like, oh, you can just pay $500 and be late to my shit? Are you fucking crazy? Do you think he should have got suspended for that, though? It's your rule. Listen, my rule says if you're late once, you're late twice, pay the fine. Cool, yeah, we get it.

But if you're doing this in the middle of us battling back and forth over a power struggle, you think that I'm going to accept this type of shit? No. We don't give a fuck about no rule book. My shit. So now just suspend him for missing. He's already just got suspended. This is an add on Jimmy not being smart. You just got suspended. You just came back. Play it clean. So they're just flying to the city. So he was going to meet them in the city. He's late. Flying to Milwaukee. Malia Wakae is also known. Missed the flight.

Missed the flight. I imagine he was gonna take his own flight and meet y'all there later. I'm gonna be there. After wearing sun shoes. I mean, everybody know, though. I mean, anybody playing in the NBA, you know when you start trying to play games with the organization, they're gonna play with you, too. So we asked the chat, is this the right move for the Miami Heat

to suspend Jimmy? 66% said no. So the chat don't think he should be suspended for missing the team flight. Gil, you say just give him the fine. It's just tough because there's so much building, so much stuff building up. And they got to stand on business. Are those peanut M&Ms in there? I get both sides, though.

What you got in there? I'm just for the giveaway, man. Okay. Everybody that participate, you know. Okay. I get both sides. We come back. You know what I'm saying? We come back. I'm just for the giveaway, man. Okay. Everybody that participate, you know. Okay. I get both sides. We come back, you know what I'm saying? We come back, I get to pick the winners.

Okay, I thought that was... Winner, winner, chicken. We were doing our own lottery. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay. Turn up. I thought it was bingo.

I'm trying to tell them. I thought it was bingo. Bingo. I thought it was going to Sacramento. So, we will have more on this on Gil's Arena tomorrow. We will monitor the situation, see how it's going. Let's move quickly to Mostly Fans. Presented by Underdog.

Want to make sure somebody get their bread. In the meantime, in between time, download the app, use promo code Gil. Get $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-em. So we got one question for you guys from Underdog user Yup In My Gray T, that is his name. Yup In My Gray. Yup In My Gray T.

What's the brokest thing y'all still do? His examples were eating ramen noodles, sneaking food into the movies. What is the brokest thing y'all still do? You said the brokest thing? What's the brokest thing y'all still do? I mean, spending money on anything ain't broke. I got two coffee machines,

and I drive to the 76th station, oh yeah, the Arco station to buy a dollar coffee at 4.30 every morning. That's fine. Because it's a dollar, everyone else is five dollars. I drive about five miles for a dollar coffee But you have two coffee machines literally located on this property our staff using one here. I can't turn down a great ass $1 $1 for some gas station coffee instead of going to Starbucks and in the other coffee anybody drink coffee

Listen, it's uh, was it Lassen or was Lassen or was it Lassen and Del Soto? A rabbit full of Lassen. You go all the way to... Yes! It's a dollar coffee. One dollar. The gas you're spending, though. It don't matter.

I don't see the gas spending money. I see that dollar. I just need to take out my pocket. So I'm sitting here. One dollar. Trust me. That's brother Star. Yeah, that's brother Star.

Wife upstairs be like, what like what I can make you coffee But it only cost a dollar it only cost a dollar it cost a dollar So mr. B Broke his thing you still do peanut butter and jelly sandwiches peanut butter what what what oh Is it the goobers? The one that's mixed. The goobers? The one that's mixed.

The one that's mixed. Why God, that's fire. Food for less. Hey, whoever made that. They got a food for, yeah, the one that, when that come mixed, whoo. Hell yeah, you gotta save money. You gotta save, get the one that's together. What?

With the wheat bread? Food for less too. Just mix it, you ain't got your pans, you ain't got a spanker, because you did the peanut butter and then you went and put it into the jelly and that got peanut butter. Yeah. Like Yeah, like fuck I'm getting a spanking for when you gonna use both any fucking way. That's crazy Random ass whoop is for no reason. Yeah, so peanut butter. Yeah, mr. Cemetery. You should be arrested for that broken thing. You still do I Can't relate yeah, I've moved up With all the Huh? I've moved up. Okay. I've moved up. I put all those habits in the past. He said, I've moved up.

I put all the bad habits in the past. I said, no, no, no. We go hang with the white people today. We not going to be on this broke shit. No, y'all didn't ask, but the brokest thing I still do is stay at Courtyard Marriott. Shout out to Marriott and the Bonvoy family for getting these points up. Courtyard, not a high-level Marriott, but nonetheless... It's not a high-level.

It's the Courtyard. Come on, now. It's the Courtyard. NBA ticket giveaway. Let's go, baby. We got it, but we appreciate y'all sticking with us. We had that Jimmy Butler news. We had to go a little long today.

So we're white beaters? Yes. That's not broke, though. That's a buzz. Now, you got to get the beaters, bro. From Target? Yes, from Target. Those are now known as wife-

You get like 10 packs for the extra pack. Oh, that's normal? Yes, normal. I was just there this morning, man. I was just there. Now known as Wife Encouragers, Gil. This is 2020. When it comes to food, I can't relate to some of the broke food.

You know what I mean? Just take it up. I do the broke food. Pancake and a sausage on a stick? This has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa! We will see y'all tomorrow.

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