Gil's Arena - Joel Embiid's Shove STUNS Bun B & The Gil's Arena Crew

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Joel Embiid's Shove STUNS Bun B & The Gil's Arena Crew as the legendary Texas rapper enters Gil's Arena where he and The Gil's Arena Crew react to the locker room altercation involving Joel Embiid & reporter Marcus Hayes and debate what kind of punishment the NBA will hand down to the Philadelphia 76ers superstar as he tries to make his return to the court. They also react to viral beef that went down in Canada this weekend between Demar Derozan and Drake as the rapper went at Derozan for his involvement in Kendrick Lamar's "Not Like Us" music video and sparked another hostile battle for himself during Vince Carter's Jersey retirement ceremony. Next, the Gil's Arena Crew continues their assault on Doc Rivers and Mr. B's Milwaukee Bucks as the break down the Bucks' 1-5 start to the 2025 NBA Season and debate what the future looks like for Giannis Antetokounmpo & Damian Lillard after Donovan Mitchell and the Cleveland Cavaliers buried them in the clutch. Then, Bun B gets real on the rap game by breaking down his involvement with the legendary UGK group and gives his thoughts on the NFL picking Kendrick Lamar over Lil Wayne to headline the Super Bowl before telling untold stories from the James Harden era with the Houston Rockets. Finally, Gil & The Crew react to Rudy Gobert ducking Russell Westbrook and the concerning news surrounding Gregg Popovich as he's forced to take a leave of absence from the San Antonio Spurs. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Bun B, Kenyon Martin, Nick Young, & Brandon Jennings Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at http://gilsarenamerch.com/ Use code GIL10 for 10% off your SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:09 Anniversary Of Gil's NBA Debut 0:07:02 Drake vs Demar Derozan 0:20:03 Joel Embiid's Locker Room Altercation 0:36:22 Hip Hop Legend Bun B Enters The Arena 1:05:17 Bun B Remembers Quincy Jones 1:20:06 Bun B On His Business Trill Burgers 1:23:22 Bun B's Favorite Memories From The UGK Era 1:34:57 Bun B's Top 5 Texas Rappers 1:39:03 Bun B's Favorite Verses 2:00:14 Bun B's Top 5 Rap Groups 2:02:21 Bun B On The Up & Coming Rockets 2:15:59 The Bucks Go From Bad To Worse 2:19:48 MostlyFans 2:36:06 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Louisville, UCLA. You don't watch girls' basketball anyway. I watch women's basketball, Gil. Support women. SWNBA. They over 18. It's women's. They over 18.

It's women's basketball for both. For both is considerable. Damn it, I don't watch either. You about to watch UCLA get this done? I am today. What, the debut of Agent She-Ra? Uh-uh. Ooh.

Okay. That's hard. We apologize in advance for what we about to do to her. That's hard. That's legendary. That's legendary. Uh-uh. Ooh. Okay. That's hard.

We apologize in advance for what we were about to do to her. That's hard. That's legendary, Gil. It is. Gil, big fan of women's basketball despite... I give you a pass because your daughter go there, but yeah, we used to put a foot to Louisville's ass. The boys.

Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm... I'm not kidding about that. We ain't worried about the men. Yup. But we're going to get this dub going. You're not supposed to be good this year? No. Yeah We worry about the mid But we're gonna get this dub go be good this year number five in the country. No No way

No way Who don't we got You come here for Juju whoever. We coming for whoever. You know anybody? I don't know nobody. The only woman we know in Los Angeles is Juju. That's it. Right?

Unfortunate. Y'all are number 17. That's a good ranking too. That's close to five. Oh shit, y'all supposed to put ass to the ass today then. That's close to five. No, nobody's. Come on.

We good. We good. We good. I'm not to five. Oh, shit. Y'all supposed to put ass to... Put the ass to the eight-eight. That's close to five. No, nobody's. Come on. We good. We good.

We good out here. Let's go, Louisville. Yeah, yeah. But this is Gil Zarina presented by Underdog. As always, we got the legend and now current Louisville fan, Gilbert Arenas, here on the... Here on the couch. Did you just do the fight on? Huh?

What'd you just... You did.? Huh? What'd you do? You did. I don't know. Okay. Fight off. Fight off. We got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings, in the building. Representing Tough Crowd in the Gills Arena collab. Over on this side of the couch, we got Kenya Martin.

What's up? Welcome to Polo. Okay. Special day. We got a special guest coming through. I see you. What's up, Jack? Get dressed up. And normally, Nick is on this side of the couch.

Yeah. Oh, fuck that hill. But he not messing with Gil right now. Yeah. But we got Swaggy P, NBA champion, Nick Young. Brother P. What, Brother P now? Brother P. Brother P. He got the glasses.

Yeah. The funny part is, the funny part is they look prescription. They are. I'm old now, baby. I can't see shit. These eyes been gone a long time ago. OK, OK. Brothers.

Versace? You know what, brother? I don't do labels, brother. I'm not about that. I just got them. You don't do labels, brother. I'm not about that. I just got them. You don't do labels ever since... Brother P. Shawn Stevenson put his nuts on them shits, huh?

Yes. The Balenciaga. Ever seen all this Brother Mala shit? I'm not indulging in your bull today. Okay, we got a new to prove. Brother P. Nick Young here. We also got hip-hop legend

Bun B pulling up to the arena shortly. And for all the fans out there, we still have two viewing options for you. Our traditional version and a mobile vertical version. Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure you support your favorite show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today. Joel Embiid was progressing towards making his season debut

but got into a locker room altercation with a Sixers beat reporter. How much longer do we expect the process to be sidelined? Might be a minute once Adam Silver and them get a hold of him. Still processing. The Bucs are off to a 1-5 start, including five straight losses. Trash! Could Giannis be taking his talent to South Beach

if Doc Rivers can't right the ship? There are rumblings. And Vince Carter became the first player to have his jersey retired by the Raptors. But will DeMar DeRozan see his hanging in the Raptors someday as well? At least one Toronto legend doesn't think so. I'm sure we all have seen the videos and everything going on. It was a little tense out there in Lebronto this weekend. Before we get into all that, as always, the show is brought to you by Underdog.

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but we got audio versions available, Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So Gill, it's a special day for you as well. Obviously, your daughter debuting for Louisville, her college basketball career underway, but special day for you as well. Obviously your daughter debuting for Louisville, her college basketball career underway, but special anniversary for you too. On this date in 2001, a legend made his NBA debut. Gil, you got in the game for the first time. See him?

First time. 23 years ago today. Warriors against Blazer, a dominant performance. You were 0 for 3 from the field. You had one personal foul and three minutes of action. Little Bronny. Shot a minute. Yeah.

You got a minute. Some good minutes. Little Bronny. Little Bronny. Little Bronny. Little Bronny. That was good. That was good.

Gil, what do you remember about subbing into an NBA game for the first time? Was it Portland in Golden State? It was in Golden State. Oh, yeah. That was, I got a rude awakening because I was talking, you know, you're talking trash on the sidelines. So I was talking big stuff. Remember Boom Shea, Boom Shea? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Ruben. Huh? Boom Shea, Boom Shea. Boom Shea, Boomshay? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so. Ruben. Huh? Boomshay, Boomshay. Boomshay, Boomshay. So I was talking on the bench like, yo, if I ever get in, I'm dunking on him

because he look like he a late jumper, right? So if I ever get in, I'm just sitting there and then end up getting in. You talking out loud? On the side, on the bench. To him? Yeah, no, no, not to him. Just, you know, you know.

Out, out. I dunk on him. Oh, he look weak. Why he in the game? And I got another end of the game and he was in so you know how you look at Fast break came down and took off You missed it man, he smacked that shit man back on the goddamn wood is all One of those one of those

One that took off who like you feel like I'm flying get back hit damn Oh, yeah, that wasn't yeah There's a reason you miss you next to Yeah, yeah So A little sore. The way it happened, too, I was like, oh, this is fate! Yeah! Brother, there was other plans for you that day, brother.

Huh? There was other plans for you that day. Yep. You can beat that man. You can't beat that flow. Let's just say that. Damn. Brandon, what do you remember from your first NBA game?

That I made my first shot. That was a relief. Oh, you made your first shot? Yeah. That was a relief. Then it ended up being 17-99, so it was a good night. I was nervous, though. Average night at the office.

Yeah. In the first one? Yeah. I was nervous though. Average night at the office. Yeah Ain't the first one. Yeah Off the after you know swing, you know, you select go to the corner here come Michael red pick a row bogey I was in the corner open. I was just like please go Them over be air balls like Let's shift over to Brother P. What do you remember from your first NBA game? Like how intense the game was.

Like I said, we played Boston. That was like the first time they had like the big three together. It was their first game and stuff. So I was just like, damn, this is KG, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce. But I did make my first shot, but you know. You made your shot? Yeah. Damn. Made the first shot, get confidence.

Too bad he was already down by like 20, though. This is about your individual performance. And K, how about yourself? I know, 16. 16 shot attempts. I mean, did he make his first one, though? I have no idea. We know, Kane. I'm being blatant. Let's go to the game ball.

How's that pressure of being, like, the number one draft pick? Oh, it was... It was there. What's the... How's that pressure of being like the number one draft pick? Oh, it was... It was there. I just knew I had to go out and play. And the team wasn't that good, so we got the number one pick for a reason, right? Yeah. So what I come into, it ain't that...

We just got to win more games than we did the year before. Right. So, hey, that's all that was. We just got to win more games than we did the year before. Right? So, hey, that's all that was. Right? Just win more games and then, yeah, just go out and be available. I think it's pressure just in general being a lottery pick. I was about to say, number 10 is pressure. Just being a lottery pick in general.

Like, you picked you in that green room and everybody everybody else outside waiting. What's that, man? I think it's just fresh for everybody. Or shopping in Soho. In Kenyan fashion, 14 seconds in the game, you got a foul. Okay. He done clotheslined. 60 picks. He done clotheslined the motherfucker for real early.

Damn, it took that long? Yeah, you, uh... You missed your... It was a 14-footer. What games do you remember? Big ones. Finals. Playoffs. Western Conference Finals, Playoff Series. There's certain games. Yeah, first two points, free throws.

All the times y'all got your ass whipped. That's just it, brother. You're supposed to think about the good stuff, not the bad. Keep the negativity out your head, brother. Not it. You'll be okay. We got Brother P in the arena. So your first bucket was an actual dunk.

Okay. Damn. Like makes two at the rim means a dunk, right? Yeah. Or a layup dunk, one or two. Yeah, so your first two points was free throws, but your first basket was makes two points shot at the rim assisted by Mulberry first points with the free and plus two again assisted by Marbury right at the rim yeah get your buckets and then at the rim again rookie I yes they'll put my rookie okay no they're my

second year I will let's keep the big finals on my second year to know let's keep this thing moving we got some so so that means a kid that much better than stuff on mother We had we added pieces and took pieces away. Oh, who's oldest shit my rookie year Now we had some dudes that had been around the league for a while Like Jim McElvain was on the team. Mm. Little bit. The bag finesse. We had Jim McElvain, Kevin Mills, Sherman Douglas. You know what J.K. was going through?

That's what I'm saying. He out of his planet. No, it's not like they're better. They're better for that. He was better for that. We drafted RJ. Yeah, drafted RJ. He was my second year.

Kerry Kittle's healthy. Mm. Now you're talking about what J.K. did. Keith Van Horn. Right, J.K. What does he do? Pass the fuck out of the ball, right? So now you're talking about a guy who can pass the ball,

your shooting guard runs the floor, then you got Dunker, and then you got R.J. Dunker. So you got three dudes who's running. So four of your five is rookies. Number one, listen... No, we have one rookie. You? No, a second-year player is down there, a rookie. But I'm not, but I was

not your typical, I wasn't young. But what I'm saying, I was 23 my second year. But I was ready to play. I was physically ready to play. You have to teach me how to play basketball. That's a big difference in me going into my second year and you having to teach me how to play basketball. That's a big difference in me going into my second year, and you have to teach me how to play basketball?

But still. I didn't have that learning curve. But four fast dudes on the break. So for the most part, think about it at that time. J.Kidd's pushing. He's one of the fastest in the league. He's probably the fastest four-man. Kerry Kittles is one of the fastest, too.

Then you got RJ. No, but RJ coming off the bench at the time. So you're talking about attracting me. They're attracting me, getting the shit out of, then you got RJ. No, but RJ coming off the bench at the time. So you're talking about a track meet. They track me getting the shit out of people. You got J.Kidd, Carey. He is, absolutely, but it didn't fit us. It didn't fit them. He didn't, like,

pass first point guard, right? Did y'all make the playoffs with him? No, we won 26 games. That's what I'm saying. We doubled our win total the next year. Is it the team or is it the team? It's the player for that team. Just like Marbury.

Marbury is over in Phoenix. He leaves. All they bring in was... Another passer for... Steve Nash. Steve Nash. It went from, what, 29 games to 65. So everywhere Marbury left, they got better.

Basically what y'all telling me. Steve Nash come in, they make fun. I'm not talking about Marbury left, they got better, basically what y'all telling me. Steve Nash come in, they make it fun. I'm not talking about Marbury like that, but y'all just saying he's just... But think about the style. Like, think about it. He ain't the fast, the pass-first type of guy. So now you're talking about Amari. Now he's throwing the ball into Amari, and Amari's posting up. That's not his talent, right?

Now, Steve Nash is there dive they mesh together now everybody who also Quinn Richardson all Joe Johnson now everybody's in their right element because of see what Marbury when he swings it now you have to do your own work so like what else like so Keith guarded the four on defense I guarded the three on defense like my rookie my second on defense, like my rookie year. My second year, I'm saying my second year, like I guarded the threes because Keith was better offensively at the time than I was. I'm going to my second year, right? So we had a formula, right?

So J. Kid, Kerry, me, Keith, three, four, four, three, however you want to do it, and whatever five you want to throw out there. We had Twin. He came in. He didn't start right away, but you had him. We had Jason Collins. We had Twin. He was, came in, he didn't start right away, but you had him, we had Jason Collins, we had Twin, we had Aaron Williams. Aaron Williams.

We had Todd McCullough. We had, at one point, we had Zo. We had Dikembe, God rest his soul. Yeah, so we was trying different fives because we- Which one made sense? Was it when Twin- If Jason Collins was taller, maybe, but it was, if Twin was taller, but,

we just did all that shit for Shaq. Y'all know it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was nothing else that we could do. Like, we was, like, the East was, we had no problem in these like even when Detroit getting She we still we right there like we not We right there. So

It was just getting over the hump and then worried about the finals So but now we like it just Steph played different, but then I'm sending Jake here, right? So it was it allowed Me to become me and be able to use my athleticism. They don't always have to play in the half court So like I said, it seemed that much better at what he do. Yeah what he do. Absolutely. He's a baby defender He's a better pastor. Steph is a better scorer. Yeah. Steph scored 41 in 29 minutes. More athletic at times, more can jump it, but he's just...

Here's another scenario where it's two different. You remember white chocolate for Sacramento, right? Pass first type of guy. They got better when they got Bibby who's just basically just a shooter. Was it just Bibby they got better when they got Bibby who's just a, basically just a shooter.

No. Yeah. Was it just Bibby they got or did they get somebody else? But Bibby had pass first. But they got more under control than the White Sox. But what I'm saying is

one is just a, one is sitting here, one is just half court take great quality shots and that's what they needed at that moment in time so they elevated on switching out the pass first

because at that point they didn't need another pass when they got Weber They got Vlade. Yeah, now we just need people who can just hit shots under control You're elevating from a lottery number one pick to the finals. That's a big jump in a damn for one player That's a big jump on both teams. That's why Jake should've got MVP. That's what I'm saying That's how they get that game national MVP. That's what I'm saying. That's how they gave Nash the MVP. That's why J.K. should have got MVP. And they held that off the floor shit.

That's what I'm saying. And they held that off the floor shit against that man. Who's the worst number one pick to you? You being the number one pick. Who's the worst number one pick ever? Damn, that's crazy. Oh, wow. No, I can't answer that right now.

Yeah, why? Because I'm in the process of something. Brandon, there are things in motion that are bigger. Yeah. Woo! You got a bucket? Huh? You got a bucket?

Oh, no, it's 6-2. We winning. Oh. You got to celebrate early, man. Time out, time out. I thought baby girl got a bucket. Right, right. But I'm not at liberty to answer that.

Yeah, brother, we don't bash people. Yeah, we elevate. I just asked a question. I just asked a question. We talking. I mean, you, I mean. We are, but I just. You said they got better without staff. I'm not at liberty to answer that. We elevate. I just asked a question. I mean, you said they got better without staff. I'm not at liberty to answer that.

I'm just saying, I'm trying to see the process. So we elevate in my life. Yeah, I'm not at liberty to got things in motion, brother, that don't allow me to engage in those kind of conversations at the particular moment. That negativity you're trying to bring. I just asked that question. You're trying to spew on this couch.

I scare you. You say we elevate. Let's talk a little bit about elevation. This weekend, the Raptors honored the Vince Sanity era by making Hall of Famer Vince Carter the first player in franchise history to have his jersey retired. So Carter was emotional during the nearly half-hour ceremony with his family, teammates, and a sold-out crowd in the Scotiabank Arena

watching on and gave us this great memeable moment. Looked like Pastor Keon. Like a preacher right there. Got to see it, obviously. Like Pastor Keon. Beautiful moment. Should have been the highlight of the evening. Unfortunately, the Kings were in town,

and the moment was overshadowed by the return of another Raptors great in DeMar DeRozan, who is currently in the midst of a beef with Drake over his support of fellow Compton native Kendrick Lamar. So DeRozan made an appearance in the Not Like Us music video, hopped on stage during the pop-out on Juneteenth, as Kendrick played Not Like Us several times in a row. Westbrook also on stage, representing for the city. Got beef, my man. So Drake sat courtside with OVO's head of security, Chubbs, and both men could be seeing me mugging DeMar throughout the game.

Looking very emotional. So after the Raptors' overtime win, cameras caught Drake mouthing, F out of here, pussy, as DeMar and the Kings walked off the court. It was believed that he was directing that towards DeMar. They're also giving him thumbs down. Wow. See, but my thing is... They're trolling.

And why DeMar didn't do it back in the... Like, what you gonna do during the game? Nothing. Nothing. So therefore, fuck you too, pussy. So Drake joined the Raptors broadcast crew during the game. Nothing. Drake joined the Raptors broadcast crew during the game,

offered these unprompted thoughts about the potential of DeRozan getting his jersey retired by the Raptors down the road. Yes, if you ever put a DeRozan banner up, I'll go up there and pull it down myself. That's the answer to your question. Is that what you were going to ask? No. Is that what you were going to ask? No. Is that what you were going to ask?

No. If you ever put a DeMar jersey up, I would go down there and rip it down myself. So after the game, DeMar had this response. Tonight's broadcast, Drake said, if you ever put the Rosen banner up, I'll go up there and put it down myself. What's your reaction to that? Well, he's going to have a long way to climb to take it down. So I tell, good luck.

DeMar also posted a clip on his IG story of letting Dirk see him for Friday with Smokey saying, man, I got mind control over Debo. He'd be like, shut the F up, and I'd be quiet. But when he leaves, I'd be talking to you. Obviously, DeMar nicknamed Debo. I'm sure he was referencing Drake and that. But what's your guys' reaction to Drake and DeMar beefing during Vince Carter's Jersey retirement ceremony?

Brother, people are going to start with you because, you know, as black men, they got to be bigger than them. Pay respect to Vince. Man, see, on days like this, brother, I wish we all could get along. But in the essence of what's going on, I wish DeMar would have said something to Drake out on the court.

You know, I think trolling is good, you know, at times, but that's not DeMar's character, you feel me? He's more of a, you know, non-confrontational brother. But sometimes you got to say, Drake, fuck you. You feel me? By any means necessary. Obviously, DeMar went to USC. You went to USC. Obviously, known. And he will get his

jersey retired. For avoiding smoke. DeMar will get his jersey retired. I feel like, for real, he got 20-some thousand points, not too far behind Steph in points. Only thing, he's missing his rings. Is he behind Steph? He's in front of Steph, right?

Behind. By like 80 points. Steph caught him? Yeah. Play more games. Let's move it over to this side of the couch quickly. Mr. B, our L.A. representative, spent a lot of time in the Compton area, Gardena as well, shout out Robbie Park. What's your reaction to Drake and DeMar beefing during Vince Carter's jersey retirement ceremony?

Shout out to Vince Carter for getting his jersey retired. I mean, he is like the staple of Toronto. I think the slam dunk contest was, everybody know that was like insane. Also brought bottle service to Toronto for those who didn't know. They did previously did not have bottle service. No way. Said we need bottles at the club. You could just have a section with a table with a bottle. What were they drinking before?

Chasson beer? Whatever Canadians drink. I mean, it was in Toronto, so it's not in America. They don't know. Very Canadian. That's not a hard part though. Molson's Ice, I don't know. I don't think nothing of it though.

They just trolling. Man, what to part, though. Most is ice. I don't know. I don't think nothing of it, though. They just trolling. Yeah, I'm with the same. It ain't a... I mean, a beef got to be both ways. Both got to be beef. Yeah, it looked like it. DeMar didn't... Saying a thing on the court is really not a beef.

You know? But if you know Drake's personality, he's going to troll whoever. Yeah. Right? So, you know, what he did on the court, he went there to troll whoever. Right? So, you know, what he did on the court, he went there for a reason. He's not there for Vince Carter's retirement.

He's there for DeMar, just to fuck with him. Right? So, I look at it as all just trolling. I bet you he'll be there at DeMar's night. Oh, no, of course he's going to be there. He'll be there for DeMar's night. Of course he's going to be there. But, I mean, it was a great, I mean, you know, I know Vince Carter, you know, legacy is sealed.

He got the recognition that he needed. He really made Toronto popular, especially from, you know, worldwide from just, you know, NBA players that, you know, you know, him playing there, him embracing it, him winning a dunk contest. Shit, he had his Toronto weekends. That was popping. Eastern Conference Finals. Right, so, you know, he is Toronto no matter how you look at it, right? You know, there's only a few people in Toronto themselves that's made it out

that's bigger than him. All right. Obviously, you know, Drake, Justin Bieber. All right. If he's from Toronto. Is he from Toronto? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. That's it. You know what I mean? The weekend. The weekend. You know what I mean? But other than that, it's Vince. Kawhi.

Nah. Kawhi. Nah, he ain't bigger than Vince. Kawhi the lady got no why the legend for coming in Oh, he know he wanted to but he's not he wasn't he didn't he doesn't have He's not bigger than Vince. Oh, I pulled up But it is gangsta though. Yeah, well he came in there. I'm gonna win y'all some shit in the mouth Yeah, they didn't even get to really embrace Kawhi like that. Do they retire his jersey?

No. For bringing you your first championship? Yes. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. You didn't bring it. I mean, what you didn't bring it?

Kyle, Larry, everybody. They're all there. We're all part of it. That's fine. Who's the final MVP here? Cool, but what I'm saying. What you mean cool? It ain't nothing cool.

Does he even have 1 a thousand points? Yes. Ever? No, for Toronto. I don't need a thousand points. I did it in 82 games. I did it in 82 games. Kept Bray faster. So, game winner.

You talked about Steph or Damar. Biggest shot in Toronto's history ever. Damar has 11 more career points. In Philly. That's the biggest shot ever in Toronto's history. Damar has 11 more points than. Oh, Philly. That's the biggest shot ever in Toronto's history. Damar has 11 more points than Steph, just throwing that out there. He has what? 11 more points than Steph.

Oh, good. It'll flip-flop, I think, for most of this season, just depending on what they're going to play. What's the score now, Gil? It's 8-9, y'all, but my daughter got two shots up already. That's all we need. Good job. How many assists?

How many assists? Zero. Yes, yes. That's that's all we need. Good job. How many assists? How many assists? Zero. Yes, yes. That's what I was hoping for. Zero. Not passing for nothing. But, Kane, what do you think about

Drake, me mugging, DeMar going on the broadcast, talking reckless, Adam saying, F out of here, P word, amongst other things? Just being Drake,

being emotional R&B dude. Damn. R&B so not hip-hop, R&B? A little bit of both? But how do you feel if you Drake? Pop. How do you feel if you Drake? Like Demar used to hang with Drake all the time. But he's from where he's from though. When the beef happen you say fuck you. But he's from where he's from, though. Yeah. When the beef happen, you say, fuck you. But DeMar is where he's from, though. Yeah. That's true. But do you even join in?

Yeah, because he don't ever have to go back to Toronto except for to play. He got to, he's from here. Yeah. From Compton. From Compton. Compton. That's deeper than rap.

But do you even join in, though? Yeah. If you, like that's deeper than rap. But do you even join in though? Yeah. If you like cool with that person. Cause they put you in the song. You was in Toronto for a while, Drake put on songs. Your whole career. Your whole career.

So I think Demar hit Drake after he found out he got traded, they shared an emotional moment. Yeah. With the end of his Raptors. I just don't like when basketball players get in the middle of rap beef. But they didn't get in the middle of it. It is. It kinda is. You kinda is. How? They're making them, they're making it, they're making them be in the middle. It was forced. It was one of those forced, like, I put you in it. I'm glad you rose. You're putting me in it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sitting there listening to it in the morning like... Ah.

But you put me in it at the same time I went to the concert and was dancing to the songs. Yeah. In the video. In the video. All up in the video. I mean... Dancing.

But as others have pointed out, LeBron and Lakers were also in Toronto recently. LeBron was also at the pop-out. Showing his allegiance. LeBron and Drake had a great relationship prior to this. He wasn't on stage though. But was in the crowd singing all the words. Wasn't on stage though. It's different. Had Toronto ever beat LeBron? Also known as LeBron Talks. So therefore. He ain't gonna say nothing LeBron. He out there spanking

ass. Still. Lakers obviously got the dub. Ronnie played a solid seven, eight seconds. Made his appearance to appease the Toronto crowd. It is, yeah. Let's move. Nick, you already answered this, but I want to get the rest of the couch opinion. DeRozan selected ninth overall by the Raptors, 2009 draft. Spent his first nine seasons in Lebronto. Four-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection during his time as a Raptor.

Holds several franchise records, including most games, points, field goals. And obviously, like I mentioned, was blindsided after the team decided to trade him for Kawhi in the summer of 2019. Will the Raptors retire DeMar DeRozan's jersey? Of course. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. The thing is, does he want it? For sure. Of course. Okay, I'm just asking. I mean... You wouldn't want it? For sure. I'm just asking. You wouldn't want it? Natre was 2018, forgive me.

It's not like he asked to leave. It's just the way I left. That's the point. And then the way y'all kind of did me was kind of like... I don't know. My emotions is a little... I'll take it. Because the fans will want me to be there. I gonna say cuz it's my legacy. I'm not gonna my you know me. It's my legacy

This is what I did here. Right? So I'm not gonna put I'm not gonna use my ego like now Don't do don't don't put my jerk though. I earned all right, you know my shit For me to say fuck you after I leave Gonna still be remember what happened. He feel like it's about the timing. I mean, but you're going to still be remembered for what happened. Hmm? It was like perfect timing for Kawhi. KD get hurt. Yeah.

It was not, they not winning if KD not hurt. LeBron, LeBron leaves the game for Kawhi. Of course, no, it was just a perfect timing because. It was a perfect timing. Does that shot go in in the corner? Who? For them to get past Philly if Kawhi's not. No, I'm just saying it's a, it was a.

They used to smoke. It was a perfect. Until they ran into LeBron. No, that's what I'm saying. It was a perfect timing because the only thing that stopped them from going further was LeBron James. They lost the... Do they beat Milwaukee?

They lost... Do they beat Milwaukee? They were losing. They were down to Milwaukee. Toronto was down. And then Kawai Leonard tapped in and then flipped that... No, I'm not... I'm talking about...

If you look at the last couple years, Toronto was the best team. No, no, we get that. What I'm saying is they was the best team in the East. They were one. No, they were one, two, one, one. They were in front of. I get where you're at, but in reality. So they lost to LeBron.

So if LeBron's not there, those years, Toronto would have probably been in a championship against Golden State Warriors. So what happens is you just remove Lamar and put Kawhi in there. No matter what, because LeBron's gone, Toronto is favorite. Do they get past Milwaukee? Why wouldn't they? They were down 3-1. They was not going to get past Milwaukee.

Who was down 3-1? 2-0. They was down 2-0 to Milwaukee. Toronto was. You think with Lamar they was going to beat Milwaukee? Did you see Kawhi Leonard tapping in? But DeMar would have never been in that situation. What I'm saying is... They would have never been there.

No, they would have been up 2-0. Yeah. They would not have been beating, uh, Milwaukee. They did. What happened to them? And then they definitely wouldn't have beat the Sixers. They beat them all them other years. What was stopping them?

I don't know. What was stopping them? Okay. All right. I'm just... I don't know. What was stopping them? Okay, all right. I'm just saying, I don't think they're running it back like that again. Who wasn't running it back? I don't think Toronto's running it back. Why do you think it was easy for him?

Because the team was already good. They were one. They were one a year before. I just don't think so. I'm just saying, they made it to the Eastern Conference Finals every year and lost. No, that's fine.

No, no, for sure. I just don't, I don't know. So what would change? I don't, you can't say they would change. I mean, just look how the playoffs went look how it does that shot go in And we'll be no shot. They wouldn't even be there. That's what I'm saying You're talking about a shot. They're not even getting past Milwaukee. What are you talking? They're not beating Milwaukee. That's why they're not beating Milwaukee That's why not that's why I was running that shit

They beat me you beat me you got before they let the fuck out what changes It's a different year so new year's here people get better right players get better so they go so got any beat a year They get weaker Every year's the league get better right? Every year 50 60 56 wins they lose LeBron 51 wins they lose LeBron 59 wins They lose a little but so the year before he got there They won 59 games. Yeah, then you add you add Kawhi you win 58 games

Yeah, so what if the team stayed together the whole time now LeBron's gone differently you're in the playoffs It's a different one. I'm a dog when you're in a playoff. Who did they just it's a different type of dog They only lost a different type of dog. It's a different type of dog What I'm saying different a dog what I'm saying I'm saying is they wouldn't have been no Milwaukee Bucks. They would have been LeBron. They would have beat LeBron if they had Kawhi Leonard. Who? Before that.

They would have beat LeBron. LeBron is scared. LeBron did not want to see Kawhi Leonard in no damn finals. Stop that. Stop that. We saw that with the Spurs. 23-year-olds coming up in there in the finals. Quit that shit, man.

Quit that shit. Man, y'all better be glad Kawhi up in there in the finals. Quit that shit, man. Quit that shit. Man, y'all better be glad Kawhi Leonard wasn't in the East. I know I'm talking about how much LeBron averaged on Kawhi in that series. Man, you better be glad Kawhi Leonard wasn't in the East during that time. 28, 50% from the field, 53% from the bench. Y'all got Kawhi Leonard fucked up, man. Come on. Y'all better be glad Kawhi Leonard wasn't on that team in the East back then when they was making that run.

They won 59 games. Listen, I know they would have won it. They would have been up there having two. What I'm saying is they won 59 games. You're not going to... I'm talking about the playoffs, though. I get what you're doing for 82 games. When it comes to the playoffs, it's a different type of dog. They won, though, in the playoffs.

They didn't win at all. They lost to the same person. Wasn't there when Kawhi got okay And if Kawhi was there, okay, take the Rosen off them years. They're getting one Toronto. Mmm. They're getting one. They might have to That's fine Stay brother Nah, no, you got quality. I don't know why y'all keep fighting Kawhi Leonard. Oh, we're not a brand. We support Kawhi I support him.

Lebronzo is Lebronzo for real. I mean, shit, Kawhi Leonard don't go down. They beat the Warriors if he don't sprain his ankle. Yeah, that's true. Come on, man. Y'all got, come on. Stop fighting like he ain't that dude. When he, um...

Come on, man. When he sprain his ankle on a side, if he don't go down, they beat the Warriors. I think that's fair. That is a fair choice. So this is my conversation, what I'm saying. Who? What? Who? When he just spurs up a guy? Who? I don't know fair. That is a fair choice. So this is my conversation, what I'm saying. Who? What?

Who? What? When he did Spurs up against them? Who? Spurs, Sassaf or Chulia. Who? Okay, that's cool. You got Tim Duncan, you got a nice little ball.

Yeah, you got a nice little ball. Tim Duncan, Tim Duncan, 38. But he didn't... Tim Duncan, 37, 38. Damn near could run up and down. Hey, LeBron, 30, 40. So we asked the chat, will the Raptors retire DeMar DeRozan's jersey? 80% said yes.

Good job, chat. Chat is locked in on this glorious Monday. I mean, 100. Hmm? Oh, 100. Yeah. Well, let's stay in the Eastern Conference. Last week, the NBA fined the Sixers $100,000 for public statements around the health status

of all-NBA center Joel Embiid after launching an investigation around comments made about the former MVP's playing status this season. NBA's investigation showed that the Sixers did not violate the player participation policy with Embiid's missed games, but did so with the public comments that did not properly reflect his health issues with his knee. In a statement, the league cited comments made by President of Basketball Ops Darryl Morey and Coach Nick Nurse that were inconsistent with Joel Embiid's health status in violation of NBA rules. Embiid yet to play a game this season but has been scrimmaging with the team and is expected to make his return to the court soon.

But that return may be delayed after an altercation with a reporter Saturday night. So it started when Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Marcus Hayes wrote an article calling out Embiid and made reference to his deceased brother, who Embiid named his son after, saying, quote, Joel Embiid consistently points to the birth of his son Arthur as the major inflection point in his basketball career. He often says that he wants to be great to leave a legacy for the boy named after his little brother who tragically died in an automobile accident when Embiid was

in his first year as a 76er. Well, in order to be great at your job, you first have to show up for work. So yeah. That line, I think, has since been removed from the article. Nonetheless, damage done. Embiid saw it, responded to the comments during media availability this past Friday. I've broken my face twice.

I came back early with the risk of losing my vision. I have broken fingers. I still came back. So I'm not going to see him tonight. with the risk of losing my vision, of having broken fingers, I still came back. So I'm not going to sit here and be like, you know, when I see people saying he doesn't want to play. I've been way too much. I've done way too much, you know,

for this city and, you know, putting myself at risk for people to be saying that. So I do think he's bullshit like that dude. He's not here, Marcus, whatever his name is. I've done way too much for this fucking city to be treated like this. So don't wait, way too fucking much. But like I said, I wish i was as lucky as other ones but that

doesn't mean that uh i'm not trying that you know i'm not you know doing whatever it takes to be out there which i'm gonna be here pretty soon so uh heard the comments mar Marcus was not there. But Saturday after Sixers lost to the Grizzlies, Embiid confronted Hayes in the locker room with reports that Embiid told Hayes, the next time you bring up my dead brother and my son again, you're going to see what I'm going to do to you, and I'm going to have to live with the consequences. There was also reports that Embiid shoved Hayes,

and according to Hayes, shortly after the incident, he was escorted to a meeting with Maury and GM Elton Brand where they apologized for the incident and agreed that Embiid's actions were unacceptable. But what do y'all think about this whole situation with Embiid coming out of the report

for disrespecting his family? So he didn't Will Smith him? So that's the interesting part. Keep my brother's name out your mother, and then got the slapping. Yeah. That would have been cool right there. So that's the interesting thing. Keep my brother's name out your mother and then got the slapping. Yeah. That would have been cool right there.

So initial reports were that it was a punch. It was since changed to say that it was a shove, I believe, open-handed to the neck area. A little choke. Yeah, that sounds all right.

A little African. That sounds all right, though. A little African chop. Whop! Cool. Okay. As Vernon Maxwell said, a big-ass African hand. A little African chop. He? Cool, man. Okay. As Vernon Maxwell said, them big-ass

African hands. He can't help it. He can't help it. I'm sorry. You can't help it. You can't help it. Africans are strong. That's why he can't

I know. That's why he couldn't grab him with his little with his claws. With his claws. He would have his regular hands. I'm sorry, man.

I couldn't help it. Africans got claws. Wolverine. No. That regular hands. I'm sorry, man. I couldn't help it. Africans got claws. Wolverine. Nope. That's sick. But in all sincerity, obviously, NBA's investigating the situation now. Like I said, NBA was doing five-on-five scrimmaging, was hoping to come back.

Yeah, let's go back to, right, let's go back. Yes. None of this would have been a thing had he not played his ass in the Olympics. If Philadelphia 76ers would have stepped in and told him, listen, you're not healthy, let's not even fuck with this right now. Sit down and get healthy for the beginning of the season, be ready for the beginning of the season. If he was ready for the beginning of the season, none of this article wouldn't have been a thing, right?

Twofold. This was Friday. The interview he did was Friday. They play Saturday. They play Saturday against the Grizzlies. Why get a motherfucking dude a media pass? He was in the locker room. Why? Why? Why?

Why? Why? So this is... So why put him in that... Why? Mm-hmm. Why? Why? Why Philly? So this is... What did you think he was going to... Yeah. So why put him in that... See, this is... He's messing up anyway.

Huh? Philly messing up anyway. But still, so Philly, you didn't stop him from playing the Olympics. Mm-hmm. Shit happened. Thank you. Definitely shit happened.

You should have stepped in. You can step in. You're paying him. I know. I get it. You're paying him. Mm-hmm. So therefore, people say, oh, they ain't had no say-so. You had some say-so. You can step in. You're paying him. I know. I get it. You're paying him. So therefore,

people say, oh, they ain't had no say-so. You had some say-so. You did. It's either this or this. Give them ultimatum at this particular point. We're trying to win around here. Should have sat his ass down this summer. I'm a firm believer in that. And why you get to do the media pass?

Why? They pulled people's media pass for less. Uh-huh. You pulled it for less. He already made a statement and called the man by name. By name. Marcus whatever his name is. Joel called him by name on Friday.

You turn around and not revoke his media pass the very next day? Come on, man. We got to do better, though. Like, you put him in a situation for this to happen. And why you going to apologize? You shouldn't have to apologize

to the man because he shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well, Joel needs to control himself. No, he don't. The dude shouldn't have been there. He was already upset about it before the game even started. So him seeing him is only going to trigger that emotion even more.

He was waiting for him. Waiting for him. Waiting for him. I'm gonna go to work today, I wish that motherfucker would be here. For sure. I'm looking for him. Yeah.

So, yeah, Philly, yeah. Philly, man, and they don't, I know he, like, even with the, I'm not playing back to back, it's like they leaving leaving him out to dry. The media taking shots at him. I know he didn't come up with that by himself. Even with that.

Like, they ain't came out and said nothing. Hold on, let me just, I'm interested. Did he say, I might not play back-to-backs, or I'm not? He said, I probably won't play back-to-backs. So, probably. But with the caveat being that he wants to be the healthiest as possible for the postseason. Yeah, but I'm saying, if he would have came out from the team, everybody would have been like,

he's definitely not playing back-to-back. Then y'all got this thing to go on. But go ahead, brother. My bad. Okay. Brother P. Yeah, you know, for that, I think they're leaving him out to dry. Nobody came to his rescue to say they acting like it's just him.

I know he ain't just come up with that. And another thing, you bring up, you know, as a person that lost his brother, I know that once you talk about your family, somebody lost,

the emotions come. You know what's funny? If you look at it just from us looking at it, you'd be like, I mean, he didn't say anything bad, but...

It don't matter. But where his mind is, he's gonna take it. Everybody take the body. That end part is, the end part messes up the top part. Right? That end part is,

first you got to come to work in shape. That right there, all that shit got scrambled. Right? Like, I'm not going to take accountability for this bottom part. God damn it, you said this. And this is what we're going to address.

Right? And that's where that's from. Yeah, but he's lying And you take issue, but do you take issue with with him bringing up bringing up? You can write your story without mentioning his son or his brother article had legitimate legitimate gripes in it But I think that that bar you can leave it out. Like, Nick, you mentioned it. It's bad, Jordan. You lost a brother. I've lost a brother before.

He wanted to go. You can say, I mean, there was a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wanted to. It's Nick's thing, bro. Trying to sound cute, trying to get a little too cute with the words. I was going to say, that's the end part.

Like, if you said it in a way where, you know, you made statements about, you know, family members and you want to leave a great legacy for them are you doing that so this have you been putting yourself in a position where you are leaving a great legacy for them but I think so I can look at that and be like but that that that right there is a real attack on it for him not to even pay attention to what you're saying. And he just gets to play defense now.

But even if, he already left a legacy for his kid. But did he say, for everything I've done for the city? Yeah. What has he done for the city? He named it. He named it. What? The process? He named it. Everything, bro. Huh? He named it. What? The process. He named it.

He named it. What? I suck at all. I mean, but... What has he done for the city that A.I. hasn't done? We don't know. But what I'm saying is...

A.I. used to play through everything. No, but what I'm saying is... Same way. They kicked A.I. out. A.I. get to the finals and he... And they kicked him out. Same thing they're going to do with him. No, no, no.

My thing is, what have you done? You ain't done nothing for Philly like A.I. I don't know. Like, A.I. played through everything. He did ain't done nothing for the Philly like a I know like a I played through everything He did you huh? We don't Do it more than a eyes done you're not going in front of the question But why does it have to be a comparison?

Because that's how that because I feel we can't why does that but why does it have to be a good because? Yeah, are we comparing? Because that's how I feel. Why? Because that's how I feel. But why does it have to be a comparison? Because AI... It don't make it right because you fucking feel that way. I don't care if it is. I don't care if it's right or not. It's my fucking opinion. So why bring it up?

It's my fucking opinion. Yes, so your opinion is fucking... Don't compare. Well, I don't care. That's my opinion. AI did what he did. Suck it up and go play. Suck it up and go play.

He has. AI sucked it up in the finals, 4-1, but I still fucking did it. Don't fucking do it. Stop being a big bitch. So he didn't ask you to play? Don't do but no I can do it but not being a big bitch He's the one talking about What do you do for the city not hitting a plan one leg playoffs, what do you do for the city nothing sit down? He's down so nobody did But he did complain in it. Stop. But he did not complain. We don't care but it did

So was you bitches a mother complain about when you got hurt to a motherfucker that you couldn't perform the way you could? Was that bad? Was motherfuckers on your ass for no reason? No, they wasn't. Exactly. Well, sit your ass down then. I wasn't though.

Well, exactly. Okay. I don't care. Exactly. Don't put him in that category then. I did though. But I did. You in the same fucking category then.

I did sit my ass down. You in the same category. I did sit my ass down. You know you did. You kept trying to play. Okay. Feel these times. It doesn't matter. He can go. know you did. You kept trying to play.

Okay, Philly's done. It doesn't matter. He can go. Philly's done. It doesn't matter. You kept trying to play. Don't throw stones in no fucking glass house, dude. Man, I can do whatever the fuck I want, bro.

He ain't AI, so don't talk about all that with the government. Who you compare you? I am. You compare you to the government. And I am. And I'm standing on it. And I'm standing on it. Standing on it.

There's nothing to fucking stand on. I'm standing on it. You ain't AI, so don't talk about what you did for Philly. There's nothing to fucking stand on. You ain't do shit for Philly. There's nothing to standI. You ain't do shit for Philly. You ain't do shit for Philly. There's nothing to fucking stand on. You ain't A.I. There's nothing to fucking stand on.

Seven straight playoff appearances. Obviously, they have not advanced past second round. MVP, all NBAs. He's brought some joy back to the city. The fact is, we don't know what he... The problem is, we don't know what he's back to the city. But the fact that... But what I'm saying is, we don't know what he... The problem is, we don't know what he's doing for the city. So you don't know what he's doing for the city.

You don't know what he's doing for the organization. What is he doing? We don't know. That's between him and two. You didn't do shit. I saw a six-foot go in there and do what he do. You don't have it. You got way more than what he got.

Come on, man. But that's what I'm saying. We don't know what's going on behind him. Why is it a comparison? Because it is. I made it a comparison. Why? But it don't make it right?

That's what I wanted to do. Just because you said it didn't make it right? Well, just like R2. Just because you said it didn't make it right? So what? Just because you said it didn't make it right? For me it do. For you it do.

And you're the only one that thinks that fucking way. Like, for God. Like when I signed my 111, right1 right and people say that's a bad deal You don't know what I did for this organization You don't know what I did for this owner right what I did for this owner to earn that that has you can't question You looking at stats Not I'm walking up every day to this man Right. I'm walking up every day saying hello, but I said what I'm saying is the body of work is what you see. How about the body of work when there's no court?

What I'm saying is you don't know what he's doing with the owner. You don't know what he's doing in the city itself. That's the problem. So when I signed my 111, the owner, for what I did, this is you. There's no question. Everybody else questions because I'm not playing. I don't want to hear all that. I'm just talking about what you do.

Are you going to play or not? Are you going to play or not? We don't know what he's done. We have to thank AI for all this. AI didn't have to do all this. Did they hesitate when they gave him that money? AI didn't have to do all this. What I'm saying is did they hesitate when they gave him that money?

No. AI went to the... AI had an infamous press conference and people was fucking questioning him. That's fine. But my players are. We in the finals, bro. Didn't he? The whole time y'all were talking about practice.

Didn't they question him at the time? They questioned him at the time? They questioned him at the time. Local media. We in the finals. Didn't he? The whole time. Didn't they question him at the time? They questioned him at the time. They questioned him at the time. Local media. MVP in the finals. Local media did the same fucking thing. They did the same thing. Local media did the same fucking thing to Chuck. MVP in the finals.

MVP in the finals. Who got MVP in the finals? All that noise being behind him. MVP in the finals. I'm still here. But what I'm saying is they questioned him. What you going to say about me? I'm still here.

So he has the finals appearing. Finals and the MVP and I'm still here. And he questioned him. So that's the only thing at this point. It ain't me. So let me ask you this. At this point, that's the only thing that Joel Embiid has over Allen Iverson at this point in his career. Is a finals appearance.

Get there. That's it. Get there. But what I'm saying is they questioned him. He has time. His career ain't over yet. All he did was run into the second round. His career ain't over yet.

His career ain't over yet. Well, get there. Get there in the pilli-jerk. But what I'm saying is they questioned the AI He has time. His career ain't over yet. All he did was run into the second goalie. His career ain't over yet. Get there. His career ain't over yet. Well, get there. Get there in the Philly, Jeremy. All I'm saying is they questioned the AI at that point. I love AI to death. And he said, what are we sitting here? We talking about practice?

Yeah. We ain't talking about the, that's where that come from. That's where that come from. That's fine. Because they're questioning me. They're questioning me. And I answered the question. And he's like, I'm, and he's like, I'm.

I answered the question. Right here, I answered the question. MVP and I went to the finals. It ain't that year. Yes, he did. It's the same finals. It wasn't that year. No, it wasn't. That was even close. When they were trying to trade him, they were going to trade him. They were going to trade him in the beginning of the year.

No, that wasn't the same year. They were trying to get rid of AI that whole year at the beginning. Let's shift this back to the subject at hand. You're not going to go to the Gills Arena if you got half a face to get on camera. Even on live TV play with one eye and a half face hanging. Bell's positive.

You playing like that? How was AI plan? Are you even showing up right here? How was AI plan? What does it got to do with it? Did AI have a half face? How was AI plan? Did he have a half face?

How was AI plan? Everything was broke on him. What I'm saying is, what does it have to do with him? Did I have a half face? How was AI playing? Did he have a half face? How was AI playing? Everything was broken on him. But what I'm saying is, what does it have to do with AI? Everything was broken on this nigga. Everything was broken on AI. He playing with half a face. Oh my lord.

Man. He was cracking jokes on him, his one eye hanging there, and he's still out there with one eye hanging. Just dragging that motherfucker in me. Just dragging the eye along, and he's still talking about it. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. with one eye hanging. Just dragging that motherfucker. Dragging the eye long, and he's still talking about it.

That's crazy, man. Brother Pete, you bring up a point, but Kanye, I want to go back to something you said. So now, B doesn't play in the Olympics. We have mixed feelings on this couch. I think some people thought, obviously, he should just chill, rest up, get ready for the season. Other talked about the importance of winning the gold medal. But he doesn't play in that Olympics in the same situation it goes on. Does he have a little bit more leeway?

Let's do the math, right? Simple math in this situation. They lost in May. The season was over in May, right? So you had the rest of May, right? Hey, I ain't got a gold medal. I got you. So the rest of May, right? June, July, August, September, October.

Yep. He has six months, five and a half months. To get right. To get right. With no wear and tear of playing any serious basketball. So the lead up to the Olympics, he had to do something to be in some kind of shape to get ready to play for that. That's wear and tear on the limbs, knees that he has a problem with. That was at the end of last season. I'm assuming that's what he's

missing time with now. Right? He had five and a half months. That's a lot of time to rehab and strengthen what you need to get ready for the season. Know how I know? Because I've done it. Lost in May. I spent the summer getting right. I needed to strengthen. I needed to do this. I didn't wear and tear. I didn't go play and pick up basketball. I didn't work out here. I did what I needed to do to get ready for the next season because that's who's paying me and that's what was important. I'm trying to win here. All that other shit during the summer don't matter. Me being healthy for the next season, what matters?

Yeah. I think the Philadelphia 76ers, I'm going to stand on this. They should have stepped in and be like, that's not, I understand. You want to go, we get it. But right now is not the time for that. This is not the year or the summer for you to, for that. It's just not. My question is this. Did something happen after the Olympics that we don't know about?

He wasn't healthy, good one and two, Gil. But he was healthy enough to play against the Olympics. He was not. Did he look... Gil. Yeah, but that's light work. Gil, but did he look... Gil, you watched the games.

Did he look like Joel Embiid? I'm just being honest with you, King. All games. Uh-huh. Did he look like Joel Embiid? We're just being honest with you King. All I seen was gold medal You know, I mean, I was just I to know it's easy but but he looked bad while trying to hide I know I was He wasn't the joy of that thought he wasn't that Joel Embiid that started the NBA season last year. No. No. He was nowhere near that is what I'm saying. No, he wasn't. Like, listen.

I know, but... But he wasn't there at the end of the season last year. He wasn't healthy. That's my point. So who's to say he's gonna be healthy regardless? You got five and a half months to rehab, Nick? Yeah, I'm trying. With no wear and tear. But he probably tried something different. He probably rest all... So what I'm saying. But he probably tried something different. He probably rest all...

So what I'm saying is... He probably tried something different. This is somebody that came back from... You can't bend your knee now. Yeah. He can't bend his knee now because y'all didn't do the proper rehab. I did the proper rehab.

I never had a knee surgery. I took time off. I just got it because I'm old, man. I've been playing too much trying to get bucked. My bad. I'm MVPing my dog. What I'm asking is this. He put that up.

He lost from Olympics to a training camp, right? He looked like he lost about, what, 25 pounds? There are reports he lost 25 to 30 pounds. What I'm saying is, do you think he hurt himself during losing his weight? Could have been. Yeah, so I'm saying, what was he doing to lose the 25 pounds? He probably aggravated a twist. That's what I'm asking.

He aggravated the same thing. There's no way that how he finished the Olympics to now, he wouldn't be doing anything. So it had to be after the Olympics where he was trying to get ready for the season where he re-injured the same knee. Gil, you said you saw the sticks in the Bahamas, right? He looked good. They were doing their workouts in preparation. I mean, I seen him at the pool.

Okay, well. He looked good at the pool. And at the dice table. How was his form rolling? His form looked nice. Okay, he looked nice rolling dice. Hit the eight, hit the eight today. Okay. Yeah, okay bet which

I just I hear you. Yes, something could have happened. Mm-hmm. Yes, absolutely But if you took that same approach you need to lose weight After the season I need to get my weight down, I need to rehab. Same thing, but I just, he didn't look good, in my opinion, in the Olympics, and it could've been that after, I need to rev it up to. Man, I don't know, I mean, he look good, man.

He won us a gold, brother. Right. In the moment. Nah, nah. If you're right, you're not good, bro. Uh-oh. If you're him, that's good, bro. Uh-oh. If you dressed him.

He look good. He look good. He look good. He look good. He look good. You can't look like him when you got all them people. No, I mean at the end when he had the gold medal. He look good as fuck.

What you talking about? I'm looking at the gold medal. I don't see no limping when you're trying to win. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. In the moment though. I tried to tell y'all, ain't no drooling, beat bashing. We want to go. And he helped us get past.

If he played for the Los Angeles Lakers, your ass would feel a lot different. Yeah, he not playing if he's... You would feel a lot fucking different if he played for the Los Angeles Lakers. No, no, no. They'd be up here tripping. If Mel LeBron ass had not been able to start, Anthony Davis not been able to start the season right now, you would be able to be like a sad puppy. They'd be tripping.

All I can judge him off when we we needed him put them in there put them in a blender They're proud American begin American in the moment You pointed out that the Olympics might be good for him just from a conditioning standpoint to be around playing being active planning I love what I was lying. I just needed him to be on the team. Well, we just Do you really think I give a fuck about, you know, was he healthy or not? Just Joel Embiid with us was better than him playing with the Frenchies. Now imagine if he was with the French team now. Right.

Oh, we got a problem. Right? Fair, fair. If French teams sit out, French teams sit out, America... Why don't Joel Embiid just retire? I mean, he can't play back to back. Come on, man. I mean, we talk all this shit about Kawhi Leonard.

Why does people gotta retire? We talk about Kawhi Leonard. No, we didn't play back-to-back. Come on, man. No, I'm asking. I mean, we talk all this stuff about Kawhi Leonard. Why does people got to retire? We talk about Kawhi Leonard. No, we didn't talk about him retiring. No, they talk about Kawhi Leonard not being able to play. Why are we not talking about him? He can't play back-to-back. Hey, look, man, we don't know what's going on with these brothers' knees at this point in time.

So, man, we can only judge when they get out there, and we can go from there. It looked like retirement. So we asked the chat, should Emb have been to play in the Olympics. 80% said no. Chad very... 80% said he shouldn't have? He shouldn't have played in the Olympics. We not winning. We not winning without him being.

Gil, everybody agrees with that. We not winning the Olympics without him being. What the fuck are they think? Yo, that's 80%. Y'all are some... They must have been going. They must have been going for them other ones. All y'all living in the moment. No, no, no. Yeah, they must have been going for them other ones. All y'all living in the moment. No, no, no.

Yeah, they must have been going for the... Because nobody's talking about them anymore. Let me ask you a question. South Sudan. South Sudan. They must be South Sudan fans. Ain't no damn way. If the Philadelphia 76ers were the Gators, man,

I'd automate them, dog. I just think in them situations, man, you got to step in. What's the ultimatum, though? Playing the Olympics, or we null and void this contract, dog? Game of three-year extension. He's going to get a contract after this. That's fine.

I just want to know what's the choice. I can tell you this. You talking about voiding. Everybody be like, hell yeah, do something stupid. Do it. Go ahead and do it. Go to the stage. do something dumb, right? We're not gonna have you morning we're done

Everybody you're done though You're not getting that money bomber would have been in that motherfucker like, uh, grand rising. Okay. Good morning, queen. And then I would have been in a situation like Kawhi Leonard. Woo! I go to score the first bucket. Good job.

What's the score of the game though, Gil? Oh, I'm like, what? What's the score? Tie game. Tie game, she just hit a three. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

I like that ultimatum. How many people like that? She got five attempts off the bench. Already. Hell yeah. You make guys snap that need to get healthy. If that's the ultimatum. I'm playing.

Yo, we're going to avoid this contract. We're going to go. Playing at the Olympics? Yep. I'm going to avoid. You're going to avoid my contract. Yeah, so you can go. I just want to envy you.

I'll let you walk. I just won MVP the year before, and I have a 35 attempts. You're going to avoid my contract. Yeah, so you can... I just won the MVP. I'll let you walk. I just won the MVP the year before, and I averaged 35 tips. You're going to void my contract. Because you went out there, and now you're not available now? Okay, hold on. Okay.

Okay. What I'm saying is, I won the MVP the year before. I just averaged 35 and 12. I was supposed to win it this year. Yeah. And you're going to void my... You're going to use that tactic on me.

Yes. I'm going to play in the Olympics and let me see you do it. Yep. Force your hand. You ain't doing it. You ain't avoiding my contract. First of all, you're not even available now. What I'm saying is.

First of all, you're not even available. You are not, what I'm saying is, you're not avoiding my contract. You're not available. That is it. That's a dumb threat. That was a dumb threat. Gil, you're not available and You're not available. That is a dumb threat. That was a dumb threat. Gil, you're not available, and you're not available now, and you won't be available next year or the next year after.

You're not available, never. What I'm saying is, that's a dumb tactic there. No, it's not. Because if you avoid the contract, you get nothing from me, and I'm going to walk? Now I can walk wherever I want to? Yeah. You're telling me I can go to Boston?

I can go to Milwaukee? And you want to sit there with your legacy like that and go play for Boston? Yeah. Come on, man. You gave it to me. You did it. So what do you think I'm going to do, Philly? I'm going to go to your inn.

You're not going to do that. Yes, I am. No, you're not. You're not going to go to Boston and put on a Boston jersey with the player that you're trying to be. Why not? You're not. He ain't going to be why not why you're not You gonna start Lopez bring your ass off the bench Lopez Is now it's me now it's me and Yannis we're talking about it's not gonna work that right

Why wouldn't that work nasty basketball First of all, he not gonna go to Boston. They've been whooping his ass all them years. What I'm saying, though. Why would you go play for him? Cool. Why would you go play for him? Because we're gonna beat y'all ass. We're gonna beat y'all ass. This ain't about me versus, it's me, it's us versus you now. So, question for the couch. Obviously, we got the reports of Embiid having an altercation with the Sixers reporter.

That was no altercation. Okay, well, to tell you what was being reported, how long was suspended should Embiid expect to receive? Zero. Zero? Zero? Zero? Tell you what was being reported. How long was suspended should it be to expect to receive? If the team's suspending that some bullshit cuz y'all put him in that situation Yeah, y'all are liable for because y'all gave that man immediate pass And then what do you expect Adam silver the league to step in and say? Google if I'm the team I Might want to suspend him due to jaw suspension

so the lead don't step in. How about... Because if the lead step in, that's a real suspension. I hear you. I know when he's coming back. So I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, Drollin B's supposed to be here today,

but we're going to suspend him for a game. He's going to keep your money. And then he's going to come back next game. Like, I get the control act. If that's up in the air. If you're the Sixers, how about a check suspend them from back to back? What I'm saying is king switch you go watch what you don't give him cash you'll give him what I'm saying You gonna bring six hundred thousand in a bitch

Taxes no, no, I'm saying what do you think Adam Silver's? Checking really checking no him. No, but what I'm saying what do you think Adam Silver's? Checking really checking no him No, what I'm saying doesn't work in payroll when I was in is I'm not gonna really if I'm really gonna piss you off before The season actually find you for it. Yeah, how about they just a spare? I'm a spy we gonna send it to a charity of your liking. I mean give me shit. Come on, man Let's just get this suspension over so you can play when you supposed to come back Absolutely six or should suspend them from playing back to backs. Yeah, you know what I mean?

You're not playing no back to backs. I don't think the box should suspend them. I mean, it ain't a suspension. The reporter needed a little bit, he needed that. You need to let people know, you need to pop out and show them some time. What you talking about my dead brother? You talking about my son? Even if your son was at the park in the key,

was just throwing sand at your son, you would get mad and be like, man, are you throwing sand at my son one more time or throw sand at your daddy? Shit like that. You talking about my son? Whoa, whoa, you one of those? Yes, now I get mad.

Whoa, y'all are one of them? Hell yeah. So my son, wait, hold on. So my son do something to your son, you wanna whoop my ass. So if your son bully my son, I'm gonna ask you to control your son. Yup. Yeah, that's how you ask him right now. I'm gonna say something to you. Yeah, yeah get your child. Yep

And I'm gonna say something to you what you better talk to him Better talk to him. I did I'm a show. No, sir. Well, he cool. You're not gonna You throw so your kid throw son saying in my son face I'm gonna put your inherit an ass whooping. Your kid throw sand in my son's face, I'm going to put your kid's face in the sand. Yeah. And while you're doing that, I'm going to be over here. So I'll have sand burns on my forehead. I'm going to be over there.

Wingworm. Let me put a quick break to this. Quick break to this. It's a product of you. My son behavior is not going Yes, hearing me ass with his buddy with a father that I probably came whoop, but he's a product Oh now this was Tom If this was time and he tried that shit, of course reporters, but you talking about Ken and you talking about a man

Check your son Reporters need to know they can't we little fucker. Come on. Let's gotta call a quick timeout We got a we got a legend in the building, a special guest making his first visit to the arena, hip-hop legend who joined forces with the late, great Pimp C to give us UGK. He's also had a successful career as a solo artist with five studio albums, several mixtapes,

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brought y'all something. They would have been cold. They would have been cold once I got here. We got a microwave. We got a microwave. No, but we're trying to expand this brand, but we're being very careful about scale. You know what I'm saying? We don't want to move too far too fast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we know you're a Hoops fan. Oh, yeah. You're a Rockets guy, but... Thank you. We were talking about this whole Joel Embiid situation. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it. Yeah.

Him attacking or having an altercation with a Sixers reporter over some comments made. But got to know, do you ever have situations like that in hip-hop where a journalist oversteps their bounds, might say something That's reckless or out-of-pocket. You got to check them for it. It's every now and then they few and far between I don't necessarily have these problems but yeah, no some some some cats can get froggy and jump out there sometime but They they will pick who they want to do those things with right? Cuz you got some people that if they in a situation where they got

a let's say they got a case right they they got you know they're on paper right now they can't really do nothing anyway that's the perfect time for a journalist to shoot the shot that you normally wouldn't shoot because you know that person can't really retaliate in that position um but hip-hop is a different space most of these dudes are street dudes or street affiliated. So they already know One ain't no media training. So it's not like they really even know how to interact with the media anyway So they just a man or a woman talking to another person You get out of line with some of these people like everybody don't play the same way I'm sure y'all ran into that situation where everybody don't play the same way. And people's names, man, that's how they take care of their family,

their career and all that. You play with somebody's reputation. Everybody don't play like that. Everybody's not finna sit here and go back and forth with you. That being said, if that's something you want to do, you can't be doing it on camera in front of everybody. You know, you catch them where you catch them. You know, y'all little boys be in that parking lot,

catch you at the bus or something, you know. Not in a locker room where you know a room full of people. And that's another thing. If somebody do something to you, in my opinion, in a room full of cameras and everything, then they really not trying to go all the way there most of the time. But it look like Joe just been dealing with this whole idea of how they talking to him, how they handling him. The press been really getting at him

about like, you just don't want to play. That's the problem. You just don't want to play. And you hear that too many times at some point, a man might snap. I'm trying to give him an out here. Yeah, no, no. Oh, yeah, no, it's the same. No, for real. It's the same thing. Yeah, you been, like, you want to play, you're not healthy, you're hearing it, you're hearing it, you're hearing it. But, yeah, like, you, and it's the problem of today.

It's just a lot of guys don't know how to log out, right? They don't know how to log out of Twitter. They don't know how to log X. It's hard. It's Twitter, K. It's hard. It's hard. They don't know how not to watch Stephen Twitter. They don't know how to log X. It's hard. It's Twitter, K. It's hard. It's hard. They don't know how not to watch Stephen A.

They don't know us. Mm-hmm. Right? They don't know how. But, I mean, I get it. I used to have a dude that used to talk real crazy, but he talked crazy about everybody. Mm-hmm.

So it wasn't just me. But this was somebody that never went nowhere. Like, this was in the earliest days of the Internet. So this was a dude just really at his mama house on the couch, typing, talking crazy. You getting all worked up about somebody you probably not going to even see or run into. That's, that's nothing. But let me ask y'all this, like, do y'all, like, is this reporter, this particular person in Joel's case, is this somebody that talk greasy about him all the time or is this? Just because the season is starting off the way it is cuz like for example coach prime right coach prime had to do

The reporter just every week every week had something bad to say about him So I'm bad to say about the team some bad to say about his kids every week just perpetually Talking down on this man. Is that the situation with Joe with this particular reporter? I believe so. For him to know him by name, I don't think it's an isolated incident. Because somebody can write something once, unless you really concentrate on, like, right before you go out, what's the motherfucking name again? Like, okay, I got it then. Or you ask, what's the dude's name that wrote this again? You say Kevin. But for him to know him by name, I think it's not I believe it's not an isolated incident. And the dude probably just found the guy in front of him.

He's a local guy. And he has a reputation amongst Philly fans of kind of being controversial like this. So that's his angle to get for him to get read and get clicked. So, Bon, before you came in, right? So, Joel addressed the situation on Friday during media

day at practice. They played Saturday. The team could have stepped in and not given the guy a media pass for the game on Saturday. For this incident, could have never been a thing. Right. They could have done it. They've done it before. They took media passes before.

That's what I was going to say. Like, me and Michael Rappaport had a radio show. He showed up in Cleveland when we was doing a radio show with a broom, and they took his media credentials on site. He wanted to be an engineer. If teams want to do it, they can do it. Dolan takes them. Right? All the time.

You said something about him, Dolan don't do it. So they could have done it, right? So this incident could have never happened. Because it was already a thing. So for him to call him out by name, yeah, you should have, the team should have. So they should have known ahead of time. The PR department should have. This dude was going to probably try to get on the Joe's skin.

But Joel looking for him, though. But he's looking for him at the game, though. This is where I'm going to speak on me, right? If you had something, I'm going to look for you the next game. And I'm not playing. You already know, boy. And I'm going to speak on me, right? If you had something, I'm going to look for you the next game. And I'm not playing. You already know, boy. Listen, and I'm not playing either. So I got the energy.

It ain't like I got this game to go worry about to go play. I might forget about you if the game went a certain way. I might forget about you by the end of the game if I was playing. I'm not playing. So now he got the whole game to sit over there and like. Stupid. And he knows what the dude looks like. Yeah, he knows what he looks like. He sent him dude looks like. Oh, there that motherfucker go, right?

Yeah, he knows what he looks like. He sent him on the media, oh, that motherfucker here tonight. Yep. Can't wait till this game over. Right. And that's exactly how it went. Because we all didn't...

But that's a life period, though. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, you're going somewhere, somebody you've been looking for in there, oh, I can't wait to see you. I'll be right at the exit, though. Absolutely.

That's the problem when you're talking about local media. It's after practice, right? So this is a guy that's been there the whole time. So usually, I'm pretty sure he's already written them off. So Joel probably don't even talk to this dude, right? So you have your favorites. You have the people you stay away from, right? I'm not giving you no quotes.

So most of the time, we don't hear the local news. In the national conversation. So unless this was a tweet and it got out like that, that's the only reason we know. Other than that, you don't hear the local reports from what's going on in Phoenix or Lakers and stuff like that.

So, you know, whatever he's written, unless you want to go back and go and look at those articles and see what he's wrote about, we never hear it. But it still seemed like you know clout more than anything like going for clout You know cuz you gotta see somebody big right like a major this major player in the game When basically the face of basketball in this city bit all bit. Yeah, Joe draw bit. Yes. That's what I'm saying He bit now I got him now. They're gonna have to pull me into the national conversation. Now people got to view him on all these different other This is yeah put like this for the last five six years. This was probably his biggest moment that he's been waiting for Yeah, because now I my information don't get to Stephen a Smith and it don't get there right right

I'm I'm really local. No, he ain't local. Right? But now he is. Now imagine the superstar don't even talk to me. So I'm sitting there writing articles I'm never going to write in his favor. So I'm just going to try to egg him on, and boom. He finally responded. People's families now. Huh?

Talk about your kids and your dad. Do they not? No. Fuck basketball. No, what I'm saying is, when do they ever talk about basketball? When do ever talk about basketball? When do you talk about people kids that's to get the attention. I need your attention Yeah, nobody's running lines in the media space no like this there's no there's no there's no checks and balances Nah, I need I don't go over there and talk about people's kids No, not anymore. west. There's never been.

I can't believe it anymore. It's just you and your integrity. You don't bring, come on, man. But when does it happen? If you're not saying condolences, you don't mention. Yeah. Man. You don't mention.

But that's us. Because we're the ones that they're going to do that to. Right. Right? If you really notice, most of the time, they don't talk about the basketball itself. Everything is always personal. You know, my baby mama, I got this one pregnant, we both sharing the same girl.

That's what they talk about. I mean, we get that. We got bloggers and podcasters that get in people's personal business. Absolutely. But again, these people are not in the mix with people. You probably will not have to answer face-to-face for the things you say about most people and they but they blatant You know I'm saying they blatant and they willing to really just jump out there crash out behind this It's clout chasing that they want to do so I don't know but but y'all reporters they got to be in the room

Like they in a locker room roll. That's that's a long way to the parking lot. That's all I'm saying Playing with athletes. He's a fine-tuned machine, bro. He's not going to be faster. He's not going to be stronger. Do you really just... You poking the bear, bro. You poking the bear. But they know we ain't going to get physical.

We can't. We can't. Like, no matter what you say, you can say whatever you want. I can't. Well, he's different. But for the most part, he's willing to lose 3,400 pounds. How y'all plan to say this with K-Boy? We'll deal with it on Monday.

Yeah. We'll deal with it. Court open Monday morning? Mm-hmm. Hey, we'll deal with it on Monday, man. You do the wrong, say the wrong. I just- For real?

It's going to cost me about $250. I've been saying, yeah, it's going to cost you about $250. But it's going to cost you about $250. Oh, if you want to spend the money. but I think about it is it worth 250 now you know sometimes like especially today well yeah I think 250 no more again it was 250 it's half a bill now that's one game ain't no price when people playing with your key that's right that's right. That's the thing. We absolutely finna crash out all the way. It is.

All the way. It's just no way around. It is until you see that. You hit the man too hard, and they talking about nine games, and that nine games, you make a million, and you talking about $9 million? You're going to be looking at that. You're going to start rereading it.

He said it like this. Maybe I took that wrong. If I was like this Maybe I took that maybe I took that wrong if I was a reporter I wouldn't even play like that because I know how crazy the fans get yeah, you know I'm saying and the fans know After he can't do it, so I'm a bus you in the mouth cuz I know Joe okay That's what a brother that's what a brothers in the front That's what a Yoko's brothers coming in that gotta find me first gotta find One thing you do it to the right athlete

To the right there's a couple in there like you that will take it all the way there with you But they already know who not to do it. They would take it all the way there with you. Philly. You, Reggie Evans, you look at them just like, yeah, I'ma just... The superstar, they gonna poke at the superstar every time. Of course. Superstar gets the most attention. If it's a civil suit, you got potential to get the most money.

You going the highest up the tree as you can. I get it. They got him and yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, I had it happen before. A man, a dude called. Man, we was out one day in Denver, and we got into it with some dudes, man. And a couple of my partners took care of the situation, but there was a few teammates that were with us. The cop heard the dude on the phone like, who name should I say?

Who name should I say? Heard the dude in the background. He said, say Kenyon. Say Kenyon. Like, dude, I was in the background, he said, say Kenyon, say Kenyon. Like, dude, I was in the car watching y'all get y'all ass whooped. I went and sat in the car and was watching this shit happen.

Alibi. What? They were like, I was in there about like a tennis match. Damn, damn, dude, shit, oh, hey. You gotta pull the biggest name because you're gonna pay to keep your name out of it. Absolutely, I am. And that's what it is you're going to pay to keep your name out of it. Absolutely.

And that's what it is. You're going to pay to keep the name out of it. Yeah. And I know the reporter. You can tell me sorry all you want. I'm suing. Yeah. Or y'all can give me a permanent job.

Up a level. Front office. Yeah, front office. And that's usually. Corner office. Corner office. That's usually how it happens. Right? That's usually how you scale, right? You have, I got this problem. I can sue Joel Embiid.

I'm going to put him through the wringer all year long. We're going to be going back and forth to court. Or you can just... They're not going to bring him in. Just get me up top. Just get me up top. You can't. You're not hiring him. You got to deal with Joel Embiid. I hear top. I don't need to go down there no more.

I don't even want to write no more. I don't want to write. At that point, somebody's going to start talking trade. You physically touched me, sir. Absolutely. You physically put your hand on me. And I'm physically abused. I'm physically abused

I went to the doctor doctor said I have PTSD now from this situation don't even know how to spell them be deaf threats to my Everything right now family matter Death threats to my family. Yeah. Everything. Right. Now family matters. Now family matters. Now family matters. I didn't see you to put somebody's family name in your mouth. Now family matters. Go on with that. So we got the Trill OG in the building.

Let's shift this over to the music side real quick. So Music World lost an icon with the news of Quincy Jones passing this weekend. Jones was award winning producer, songwriter, composer, and arranger. Won 28 Grammys during his 70-year career in the music game. So, I want to ask you, how influential has Quincy Jones been in music and entertainment?

And in your opinion, what's his legacy? I mean, we just don't even get this far in music as a culture without somebody like Quincy Jones because Quincy Jones

is when you talk about a producer, this is a real producer. This is not a person. In our generation, you hear about people that make beats, right? And hell, I could make a beat if you give me enough equipment and enough time. Y'all could make a beat. Ain't nobody going to want to listen to it and jam it, but it's possible. But a producer is not somebody that's like, you go to

him and be like, I want to do some music with you. And Quincy Jones is like, yeah, come on, I got some stuff already done. No, a guy like Quincy Jones looks at you, talks to you, right? Learns about your background, make sure you got the proper skillset, not just for the music, but for the media. Like we talked about, they make sure that we got time to nurture, find the right sound for you and make music that is perfect for you. Not a song that somebody else didn't want. You know, we're going to write songs and produce music that plays to your strengths. You know, you can sing a ballad better. We're going to bring in the orchestras and all of this stuff.

But if you look at this generation, like, the mentorship of a Quincy Jones, like, always reached out to the young generation. I remember seeing him in the Wu-Tang video one time. I'm like, most of these people would never stand next to people like that, you know what I'm saying? But he wanted to see what the next generation was doing. He encouraged us to not just be artists,

but also businessmen, understand publishing, understand royalties, understand, you know, how to make sure that you can recoup properly to make money off of your art. Like, that was the thing about Quincy. It went beyond the music. And to understand your place in this world as a black man or a black woman,

that was very important because they were making music fresh out of Jim Crow right into the time where we were dealing with it literally in the middle of the civil rights movement. And they made sure that, you know, they had to travel all around the country, all around the world as black people. Couldn't stay in certain hotels, couldn't get off, you know, couldn't go in certain restaurants and

all this stuff. So just that idea of the sense of history that he came into the game with and making young people know and understand, hey, look, you're standing on the shoulders of greatness. A lot of people sacrifice for you to be able to do this. And when certain things happen, you have to speak up for the culture. You have to speak up for your things happen you have to speak up for the culture you have to speak up for your community you have to speak up for your people all of these things came from a person like quincy jones man and not just black musicians but all musicians have benefited from the things that chrissy jones has brought to the industry this is a major loss for entertainment period across the board he made you know he made pop back records records. He made R&B music. He did rap music. You know what I'm saying?

Quincy Jones touched everybody and everything, and his legacy cannot be denied in this world, not just in the music industry, in the world. Yes. It's amazing. I got a question. Go for it. What made you want to get into the restaurant business? I had had a food blog for about eight years, and me and my partner Pete had been really trying to figure out, What made you want to get into the restaurant business? I had a food blog for about eight years,

and me and my partner Pete had been really trying to figure out, like, we wanted to start a business. We wanted to get in the food industry, but wanting to do something and actually doing it is two different things. We had all the passion for it, but we didn't necessarily have the connecting points. So we were steadily trying to find it. He went in the food industry first.

He bottled his grandmother's pasta sauce. And a good friend of mine that I knew from the clothing industry, Andy Wynn, had moved into food and gotten real successful in food and wanted to start a brand but wanted to start it in Texas. So he was talking to another good friend of mine, Nick Skirtfield, who was one of the podcasters and part of the media team for the Texans for many years. So we all sat down together. He came to me with the idea. I said, let me try the burger. We set up a meeting to try the burger. It was far and away the best burger I'd ever had.

But they was like, this is just a prototype. We're still working on it. They came back and when I tried the burger again i was like this some of the best food i ever had in my life but i wonder if this is just good to me so we set up a pop-up um people came out because of who i am people got love for me from the music industry and the things i do in the community so they came out and supported me they ain't know if the food was gonna be good but they came out and i'm sitting there the whole time, and it seemed like everybody liked the burger like I liked it. So for me, coming from the music industry, I looked at the burger as if it was like a new album. So I'm going to take this.

I'm going to take it on the road. So we went to Coachella. We went to Rolling Loud. We went to Rock the Bells. We went to Something in the Water. We went to all these different music festivals made in America that we had to pay the entry fee. You got to pay to set up, get permits, fly staff out there. We had no real money like that.

You know, so all we wanted to do was break even. What about making money? It was about not losing money. But but we could get residual benefits if certain people eat the burger on camera and say they like it. So that became the business model. And I can do this because I got relationships with people. So I'm not just going to a festival and begging people to try my food. I'm asking friends to give me a chance.

I remember we brought it to Coachella the second time, and Toby was there. And there was some Samoa artists eating it, and the other artists looked at Toby said man this burger is good as hell Toby was like man it is he said I remember the first time he asked me to eat it I was like damn I hope I ain't got a lot for the OG on camera uh but he was prepared to that was the thing he would he would he was gonna try to make it look like but I said bro I'm glad you didn't lie because bro that would have looked bad on you if my food wasn't good You know what I'm saying? But we took it around and then we we got a we got a call from Good Morning America

To compete in the best burger in America competition So we won in Houston and we went to a Times Square and won the national Competition and so we had the reputation of being the number one burger. Thank you the number one burger in America So it's like now we got to live up to it. But like I said, I looked at it as a music industry. So now we just want best new artists. So now,

instead of us having to spend a bunch of money, people are calling, asking us to come to the festival. Hey man, can you bring the food down here? Don't worry about no commission fee or no equipment.

We'll take care of that. But we want to say we got your burger at the festival so now we took something that's typically an afterthought a cheeseburger is not something that is a priority in nobody's life people eat a cheeseburger if the kids is hungry and they're getting on your nerves or you got 30 minutes you got to get something quick or you've been out drinking and partying all night you got to put something on your stomach that's when you think of a cheeseburger but now I got the whole world talking about a burger. My burger come to a golf tournament or a music festival or sporting event.

It's the point of conversation. It's a priority in the room. A hamburger has never been a priority in the room of people over five years old. You know what I'm saying? So we got a great product. It's very easy to introduce it to people because almost everybody eats hamburgers. Hamburger is in the top five most consumed food in the world. You know, chicken wings, chicken tenders, then burgers, then pizzas and the have you.

So asking somebody to try a burger is not a hard thing to do. You know what I'm saying? You can convince somebody to take a bite out of a burger, but most people have a very low ceiling as to what a burger is. So every time we brought the burger to people, they underestimated how good of a burger it could be, because most burgers just burger.

But then you eat this burger, and you realize every burger ain't a burger. In-N-Out or Trill? Oh, no, it's not even a question. It's not even a question. But it's not even a question because they don't care about burgers in the way that we care about burgers. You know what I'm saying?

Their reputation is solid, so they just about reproduction. So I'm finna give you, so you from the great state. We know that. We know that that's... Long-star state. Greatest state ever. We are above and beyond with this food thing, bro. Listen, bro. Hey, man.

All day. You being from Texas, it was never going to be a question how good it was, bro. Right. I'm just me being biased. Well, my reputation is not worth. I'm just texting about food, barbecue overall, right? If I tell you something tasteful and it tastes good, if I tell you a duck can pull a truck mm-hmm better hook it up cuz I am NOT

gonna be issue they've had my few they've had my barbecue at my barbecue and the bar I've had your reputation that worth saying you got good food in Texas and knowing knowing you ain't got good food yeah it's not worth it and for me it's not worth it for me I build up 30 plus years of trust with people with music and all these other things I've done the community I'm not finna throw all that away try to get some burger money it's not even it it's not working for me. I build up 30 plus years of trust with people with music and all these other things I've done the community. I'm not gonna throw all that away try to get some burger money It's not even that it's not even that serious. We doing okay over here. You know what I'm saying? But the burger is is special is different. It's a game-changer Enough to the point where I put my name on it and my face on it

You came to separate me from the burger at this point. You know what I'm saying? I could have take a licensing deal. Y'all understand. I could have taken a licensing deal, gave me some money, showed up once a month, took some pictures, and gone about my business. But I was offered that or a piece of the company. But if I was going to take a piece of the company, I had to go all in. I had to sacrifice money.

I had to sacrifice time. I remember trying to convince my wife. I was like, man, I got the best burger in the world. I just had it. I'm telling you. She's like, what's on it? I'm like, yeah, it's meat, cheese, and onions, and pickles. She's like, you don't even like onions and pickles. I said, it don't matter. This burger is good with onions and pickles.

She was like, where's the lettuce? Where's the tomatoes? I was like, we don't have that. So you got a cheeseburger with no lettuce, no tomatoes on it, with onions and pickles, shit you don't even like to eat. And it's the best burger. And I'm like, I'm telling you. She was like, okay, I'm going to come see. And she came. She was like, that burger's pretty good.

Pretty good. The second one, she didn't come. But she called me. She said, hey, bring me a burger back from the pop-up. We did one in L.A. Like, our fifth pop-up was in L.A., a complex car. And I called. I said, I'm at the airport. Everything went great. I'm on my way home. She's like, great, you got my burger, right?

I say, I left the festival two hours ago. It's three and a half hours to fly to Houston, an hour ride home. That burger gonna be cold as hell. But you got it, right? You got it, right? And my wife don't play about that kind of stuff. My wife's palate is very clean.

She can tell when food ain't right right when something ain't like it should be But the fact that she eat trill burgers more than anybody every day she eat the burger, but she doing quality control every day That's what the food got to be good every day If she don't like it if she she'll taste shit that nobody else will taste She'll see things that nobody else to taste. And she'll see things that nobody else will see. So every day, we're going to get up, we're going to do what we got to do, run errands, and go by the store. She want to go by the store and try it.

But it's time to expand the brand. We're ready to start. We are willing to do some quality control on this couch as well. We have five willing patients. Thank you. Me growing up on you, bro. For you to, I'm saying, from now. No, it's a blessing, man.

It's a blessing to have something like this because i ain't really love nothing like this besides rap music and my gal that's the only things i've ever loved like i love this burger because it made me want to learn i got to get up and read about a whole different industry by the people that were captains in the industry you know what i'm saying so i want to know how i already seen the mcdonald's movie right and i'm trying to see how danny built burgers you know what I'm saying? So I want to know how... I've already seen the McDonald's movie, right? And I'm trying to see how Danny built burgers, you know what I'm saying, and Shake Shack, and I'm trying to see how all these people built...

Like, all these great brands are blowing up and expanding. Dave's Hot Chicken blowing up and expanding. Kane's blowing up and expanding. So there's a lot of different paths to success. So I'm trying to find all of them and see which one of them lends itself to what we're doing. You're in the Houston airport yet? Huh. You're in the Houston airport yet? Huh?

You're in the Houston airport yet? We're working on it. We're having conversations with a couple of different airports. Because everybody's talking about, man, I'm flying through Houston. I ain't got time to go. Can I get it in the airport? I'm like, hold my beer. Absolutely.

Hold my beer. Give me a second. Hold my beer. Is this for you like when you started the music industry? Absolutely. Absolutely. It sounds like it. Because I want to be the best at it. Hey, is this for you like when you started the music industry? Absolutely, absolutely. So it's that path. It sounds like it.

Because I want to be the best at it. Like with rap, there wasn't even no money involved with rap when I started. I started rapping in 1988. Wasn't nobody rich off rap but the people that were putting the music out. But no rappers were rich at that time. You fast forward 34 years later, well, 36 years later, and it's so easy to make money off of music. When I made music initially,

it was only one place to get it. You had to go to a record store. You had to go to a record store, buy one record, and that was it. But now, these songs stream on all these different platforms. They stream in YouTube videos. People do dances to them.

They go viral. They end up in commercials for basketball games, movies, TV shows. They end up in the movie That's how they sell a lot of this stuff is through this so you got to make sure that you understand the business of it So you can take full advantage of it. That's what I'm trying to do with this burger stuff This business that I'm in now is it's there's a lot of things that are similar as far as promotion and marketing and knowing how to Get people's attention. I've been doing that for years but the nuances of the industry and making sure that you're building an inventory of product that

doesn't lose quality quickly so the burger is built a certain way so that we don't have a lot of shit that just go bad like lettuce once you cut into a head of lettuce that lettuce is going bad at me so if you're not using it right now you're gonna lose it same thing with tomatoes onions onion store have a long shelf life pickles They're already in the jar. They're literally pickled so they have a long shelf life So we don't lose money on that type of product That's that's the way that we're thinking and for in terms of shaping and molding How can we make a great burger that we don't have a lot of crazy ingredients that we end up losing all day and we're making

Burger money, but we're losing it because we lose inventory every day These are the ways that we try to look at approach to business. We're trying to be as tactful as possible, financially sound as possible, but we understand branding and marketing in a way that most people don't. You know what I'm saying? And we come into this brand, I bring 30 plus years of cultural influence in this company. Very few companies will ever be able to start with what we started with. We understand that we got a leg up against people. But because we're new, there's still a lot of shit we got to learn that some people may know a little bit more than me. So I can have the biggest name and all that in the world, but if the food ain't good, not only is the restaurant going to die, but your personal reputation that's tied into this brand, that's going to die, too.

That's why I say I would not. I'm good out here with the people. My reputation was solid. This burger could throw all that shit away if I do it wrong. I was rocking with the OG until he started trying to tell me I had the best burger, and I went and ate that shit. That shit was not. I can't believe he lied to me like that. Absolutely.

36 years in the game, like you said. It's been nearly 17 years since we lost Pimp C. Obviously, his memory lives on. Of course. Through the music and one of the greatest rap duos in hip-hop history. What are your favorite memories from the UGK era? Man, a lot of stuff we can't even talk about. We can talk about it on this show.

Well, no, because I don't know the statute of limitations on some shit. Okay. And we can look that up? We had it a little bit better, I would say, with my generation. And the reason I say that is because it was very few cameras in the room when we did shit. You know what I'm saying? So there was a lot of physical altercations, we could say, that today would get you absolutely sued. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? That things we were able to do, you know, the way we used to kick it, it's too many eyes on you nowadays. You know what I'm saying? But we spent a lot of time in the studio together back then because we just wanted to make music and it wasn't a lot of places that you could go and make music in 1992 1993 it wasn't even a lot of studios so when you found one that was home and so it was always smart to do everything you wanted to do in the studio i always told this to

other people too if you want to smoke weed smoke weed in the studio don't be riding around and smoking weed don't go to club and different place studio is a safe place you want to smoke weed, smoke weed in the studio. Don't be riding around and smoking weed. Don't go to club and different places. Studio is a safe place. You want to deal with girls, bring the girls to the studio. You control it. They don't, everything ain't right. They can go and whatever. And it's not a public situation, whatever happens. If you got beef or whatever, man, just stay in the studio. That way, if they want you, they got to come get you, but you can see them coming. It's a little, it's a lot, things are a lot different. But I will say the money now is bananas. The money that these artists can make now because you don't have to go to New York or

LA to sign a record deal. Because that shit, they don't really know what the culture want anyway. They never really knew. A lot of times, they would just guess and pick a motherfucker. They think, oh, I think he's going to be all right. He look like a rapper. That was a lot of that shit. He look like a rapper.

And they used to have enough time to make. They could make a motherfucker a rapper, right? Yeah, absolutely. You know what I'm saying? We put you in the gym, lose some weight, get you in the studio. We're going to make a bunch of records until we figure out what kind of records

you know how to make, and then we're going to sell that to the people. But nowadays... Master P. Well, no, no, no. P is a visionary. P built that. No record company built P. P, I remember when P... No, no, no. I'm saying finding his... Boom, boom, we gonna put you here.

P, let me tell you about P. Master P became rich because everybody underestimated P. People didn't believe that P could make the kind of music that could really make money. So P got offered the kind of deals that they figured he could never honor this deal. But, oh, yeah, yeah, if you go gold, we'll give you this. If you go platinum, we'll give you this. But they never thought that shit was going to go gold or platinum. But they didn't that shit was going to go Goal a black but they didn't understand they didn't understand the hustle And if you look now that there's always been in every generation there's been music and music is he'd be like man. How did this?

Shit become how did that man become this because everybody else that they put it like I play like this y'all athletes Niggas that's tall think they automatically be a basketball player. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah Right, wasn't it get over six three six four and he 14 years old They've everybody tell me I'll be a basketball player. Some people are just born to play basketball They're different things like they fingers along that they limbs along, you know saying they wingspan Somebody's lend themselves to that But even if you got the body, you still got to train. You still got to get the skill set. And you got to be better than somebody else that wants to play that position.

And if you're not better physically, you have to work harder. That's how Muggsy Bogues and people like that get in the NBA because they wanted it more than motherfuckers whose bodies should have given them that opportunity. It's the same thing It's the same thing in the music industry Top five Houston rappers ever top five Houston rappers ever yet to you. Oh, I'm Houston. Okay This gets a little this gets a little sticky because right because Technically I'm from Port on PA. Okay, I'm from Port August. I'm from PA.

I'm from PA, so I'm not in it. So UGK gets... We can do Texas. We can do Texas, but he's from PA. But I don't want to do it. He's from Jackson. But no, no, I don't want to set a rule with parameters that allow me to be on the list.

So I could do Houston without putting me or Pimp in there. Some people would argue about that, but that's fine. We all know where it's, I'll say it for you. I would say, number one, go. So, with basketball conversations, I told him, we need to stop mentioning Michael Jordan, right, with basketball conversations. Just leave him out of it. With Houston rappers, Texas rappers, I'm going to say it, we need you to fuck out of it. Okay.

You in that category. Okay, I'm gonna say we leave you to fuck out of it. Okay, you in that category Okay, I'm gonna you and face in that category. So also I don't Get a Chico Chico, that's easy. That's that's all right number one all time great to know All right a number one number saying this number all time great, so no. All right, number one, and I'm going to say this, number one, and motherfuckers can get mad all they want. I'm going to say Willie D. Okay. And the reason I say Willie D is not because of the lyrics and the rap style.

It's because of the identity. Yeah. Like, Willie D is who you better be if you out here in this world talking about you from Houston and you're going to whoop some ass and niggas can't fuck with you, right? Willie D. You best to be built like Willie D, out here in this world talking about you from Houston and you gonna whoop some ass and niggas can't fuck with you. Right? Willie D. You best to be built like Willie D. Because I came up in the generation where we was boxing in the club.

It was guns, but very seldom did people pull guns on people. So it was a lot of fighting, a lot of fist fighting back then. And Willie D, I've been in a club where rappers have said things about Willie D. Willie D showed up to the club and all of that. So for me, that was the first thing. And keep in mind, Willie D is one of the pillars. So I'm watching this and being like, all right, well, if you're gonna get on these records

and talk tough, you better be ready to box somebody. And that's why I say Willie D first, because Willie D is the prototype. Because we can all... All y'all can rap. Most of y'all can rap real good, but when it's time to leave Houston and go to Chicago and Atlanta and

Detroit and New York and L.A., you can't be a bitch representing the city. So you need to be built a certain way. He is. Yeah, that's the first thing. And so Willie D is number one. But Willie D sets the tone of who you're supposed to be. I'm running for somebody named Willie D. That's the only one. Oh, he on the podcast.

He got the podcast. Yeah. Oh, no. And he is exactly like how you think a motherfucking named Willie D. That's the only... Oh, he on the podcast. He got the podcast. Yeah. And he is exactly like how you think a motherfucker named Willie D would be. He is absolutely. Willie D. Willie D made a song called All In Holes. Willie D had a song called All In Holes.

Yeah, no, Willie D told that. That's the thing. He didn't use a lot of tricks. He just talked very plainly. And I straight up did. You know what I'm saying? It was very easy. You knew exactly where Willie D stood the whole time. So I really feel like if you're going to represent the city of Houston, people need to know where you stand the whole time.

Number two, now we're going to really start getting into the lyrics. Number two would be 3-2. Mr. 3-2 of the Convicts is probably the purest lyricist to ever come out of the city of Houston. Nobody lived rap to that. Like, I used to go pick him up all the time, man. If you was around this dude, you had to be ready to rap by three, four hours at least. Because it don't matter what music you playing in the car.

You finna rap on top of that shit and rap better than the music you playing. I spent hours and hours and days and weeks and months and years of just riding around with this dude and listening to him rap and watching him construct songs, and I've never seen anybody that was that good and it was that easy for them to be that good. 3-2 is the purest lyricist I think we've ever had

out of the city of Houston. Number three, Devin the Dude. Devin the Dude. Devin the Dude is comfortable. First of of all Devin the dude is the only rap I know on social media that don't get no hate in his comments like he has no haters I thought he's from the Bay. You know I'm saying like everybody got somebody that don't like Right just to be a contrary motherfucker. Did it just because everybody like you I don't Mm-hmm Devin the dude is not that dude. He's an amazing songwriter

He's an amazing singer to be people sleep on the fact that Devin a dude is not just a great rapper But he's a really great singer too. He's done hooks and songs with people all over the world including dr Drake but dr. Drake call you to come and sing on the song keep my dr I got all the singing motherfuckers he could possibly want around him. So if dr. Drake cause I need you on the song keep my doctor a got all the singing motherfuckers. He could possibly want around him So if doctors Ray cause I need you on this song that's best. I've been doing shit for a long time I ain't got never got no call for back You know say so and you know, he's he's he's he's a workman like He's the kind of dude that come to work do his job and go home You know I'm saying it's not a flash you do he make we all make the same kind of money

We all got access to the same shit. But he ain't never been no jury dude, no car dude. Got the money for it. Just not him. Like to come to work, smoke his weed, drink his beer, sing his song, oh yeah, and go home. You know what I'm saying? And people love

him for it. He always lightens the room when he comes in. But it's he's low-key like a killer lyrically. Like most people would underestimate him because his personality, but Devin will very low-key tear your ass up on the microphone. And funny story, Devin the dude is the only person that ever asked me to do another verse. He's the only person that I did a verse for and he was like, oh gee. I won't be Disrespectful anything. I think it's a great verse, but I don't even think you tell my what we talk about Well, I was just trying to prove how good I could rap and and he he was right

I don't think I was really talking about what he was talking about on the song I just had something I wanted to get off, so I got off. And I was like, you sure right, my man. You sure right. I had to go back in and do it. But only for a person like Devin, because I knew it wasn't personal. Because sometimes people can feel threatened. Like, you go in and do a song, you tear their ass up on their record,

they might start feeling a certain way. But he was like, no, no, just talk about what we're talking about a a little bit Did you ever have a situation like that where you hopped on a? record and the artist felt That you outperformed them. It was something. Oh what happens is here's a problem people at webby verse you can either think Yeah, I'm going to think you call it in me and you're gonna underestimate he killed webby right? I'm a fuck over you That's very easy But then there's the thing of, well, you know I'm a better rapper for you, and then you're not trying

to get into that. So you done came in defeated. So it's very hard for somebody to really out-rap me if that's not what I want them to do. And that's for any rapper. And niggas know, look, there's a lot of cold people out there, but

any given Sunday, my nigga, any given Sunday. We'll let you get back to the list. Number four, I believe you were at. Yeah, number four, I would probably have to say Killer Kalyon. Killer Kalyon is a member of the Boss Hogout Laws Click, and he is just a beast. He is, like, just, like, all he want to do is out-rap motherfuckers on a song. And he's really good at out is out rap motherfuckers on a song and he's really good at out rapping

motherfuckers on the song and And you know he's he's a guy that that carries that shit on his shoulder like it's just a chip on his shoulder Like he's trying to prove At any given time that he's the best rapper in the room And I be in the room with him all the time It ain't that it ain't that easy, but I mean no it's seriously though when we talk about lyrics and Like hip-hop is built off of battle rapping You don't say a battle rapping and breakdancing was ways for young black men and young men of color

To settle their differences without having to fight a motherfucker or stab a motherfucker you can out rap you can rap against a motherfucker and we still go home break dance against a motherfucker we can still go home killer is the kind of rapper that's ready to go as far as you have to go with the lyrics as far as eating the motherfucker up but if we decide we want to do some other shit we're gonna do that too so it's very hard to catch a W with somebody like a killer Colleen he wakes up every day thinking about how most of these motherfuckers are not as good as him but yet they're getting places and attention that they don't deserve so he just walked around waiting to get in the room on the mic mister mother fucker you want to rap about some streets of you can do that you want to conscious rap

whatever you want to do, he can do that. Because Lorraine Motel is listening. He can rap to any beat with any rapper on any subject matter. Yeah, Lorraine Motel. Period.

He can do it all. And then, Killing over J's. Number five. Number five would probably be K-Reno. K-Reno was the original battle rapper in Houston one of the first rappers in Houston to make a hip-hop record first was um

First person was Captain Jack was the first person to make a rap record in Houston Jay Prince was the first person to put a rap record out. K Reno was one of the first people to rap in Houston at an independent label. Him and his dad put together an independent label just like J Prince. Out of the hood and how do you explain K Reno? K Reno is You know what it's almost like you say when you can't put us a face in it I don't even think you can really put Kay Reno in because Kay Reno is the guy That gets it started. So face feels like he can okay kind of a thing You know what I'm saying? Like Kay Reno was one of those dudes that looked like a rapper, right? That was the first thing when he walked in the room. He looked like a rapper. Right? That was the first thing. When he walked in the room, he looked like a rapper.

He talked like a rapper. He rapped like a motherfucking rapper. But they were low-key, independent businessmen. They were very culturally conscious about creating a black-owned business, about having officers in the black community, trying to pull in other artists from that community, face from the same community as him. And really about how you carried yourself

was a big thing we learned about K-Reno, about poise and character. Like, you ain't got to walk in the room and be talking all loud and acting all tough and shit just to prove that you a good rapper. Just be a good goddamn rapper. And when it's time to rap, tear their ass up. But we're not going to be bragging on some shit we ain't done yet.

You know what I'm saying? You either know it or you don't. And to this day, like, we had our 50th anniversary of hip-hop, and we brought him in, and we asked him to speak on it. And instead, he wrote a rhyme that talked about every neighborhood that had rappers from it and all the different places. He tied in the entire culture of the city of Houston

in like a 24-bar verse that just fucked everybody up in the room. And everybody in the room is a rapper. And this man is saying shit about the city. I've been writing rhymes about Houston for 32 years. He said shit. I was like, god damn it Damn, I wish I would have said that and that's okay Reno is Kay Reno has always been the rapper that when he says something cuz we all write rhymes. We all got the same job but

Okay, Reno don't do nothing but rapping to this day He was rapping when I started rapping and he probably gonna still be rapping when I'm done rapping but I don't think anybody loves it or has loved it as much as him and the way he shows it

the new generation I see you said a lot of back then what about the new generation the great thing about the new generation is not that they, they don't have to be great rappers. They got to be great salesmen. Okay, okay.

You know what I'm saying? That's why somebody like Sauce Walker is so popular. The crazy thing is, Sauce Walker is one of the coldest rappers in the new generation. Right? But he keep it in his back pocket.

Yeah. See, he like being underestimated. He like people thinking he a certain type of dude because he's very loud. He's very boisterous So a lot of people think that that's all he is This is a concert concerted effort for you to think that that's all he is but if you watch the game and you watch the people that in the last two three years that have Built relationships with him like I remember Busta Rhymes was there was a BET Awards and one of hip-hop awards with Molly in the last two, three years that have built relationships with him. Like, I remember Busta Rhymes was, I think it was the BET Awards, one of the hip-hop awards in the last year or so,

and Busta Rhymes, and everybody's in the crowd, because it's a rap show, and Busta go over to Salt. It probably was one of the first times he had seen Salt, but you hearing about it, you watching the movement, you know what I'm saying? It's undeniable. Same thing with a Maxo Cream. Somebody that's as thugged out and it's crypt out as a maxo cream

I ain't supposed to understand the nuances of this game and move accordingly, but The dudes that are real street dudes trying to get the fuck out the streets You know I'm saying they they've done what they done They're not ashamed of what they've done and if you put them in a position they gonna do what they do But really man, I'm I'm doing this rap shit to really get off that shit I'm tired of busting niggas upside the head and rob motherfuckers You know I'm saying and hip-hop has saved a lot of people in that way. You know I'm saying but the money

these young dudes understand the business of marketing and promoting their themselves better than any other generation before and the path to the money don't got to go through three four five people no more you don't say you have to go through somebody in the hood found you they put money into it then they took you to a record company they get money off of it and you got to sign a publishing deal they get money off of it then you got to go a publishing deal. They get money off of it Then you got to go on tour. They get my these rappers nowadays. They rent the venue You know I'm saying what's our gun just threw a big show in Chicago this weekend. He rented the venue

He booked the talent. He built a wrestling stage in the middle of the motherfucker. They did rap concerts They did beat battles between DJ premier and Pete Rock motherfuckers rassled in the ring He did this shit all out of pocket, built it all out himself. He's creating a whole new event, a whole new revenue stream. It's so much money that's available. And for us, we just wanted to make music. It was very new. We didn't even understand how motherfuckers made money from music.

We just wanted to make music. So we would get the record deals and all of that And then we start realizing all this record deal is fucked up You know I'm saying but the whole goal of the music industry is to get you young Sign you to a fucked-up deal Get all of the talent and opportunities out of you and then by the time you figure out how it work You ain't worth nothing. They they on to the next one but nowadays these young dudes are figuring it out a lot quicker and they could see how to get music directly to people motherfucking never got to go to new york never got to go to la none of that shit i gave the perfect example of artists not needing a record company is no more is Soulja Boy.

Soulja Boy was a teenage kid in his bedroom with a rubber band necklace making a song about Superman in that hole, right? There was no way a record company in New York would have fucked with that. A record company in L.A. would have fucked with that. Well company in LA would have fucked with it What he ended up making one of the biggest records literally of all time Go to a sporting event and they cut that shit off everybody gonna be doing it He's still getting paid off with his music And that's because he took it to the people and let the people decide whether or not whether or not they wanted to fuck with That and that's really how this works now in the entertainment

industry if you're not thirsty if you're not desperate if you're not anxious right you can take time build something directly marketed to to a market of people who will spend money directly with you the money ain't got to go through eight or nine different people. You know what I'm saying? The money comes directly to you. And because of that, there's a higher level of confidence that comes from these younger artists. Because they financially sound. So they're confident, not because they think they're going to make some money, because they know they're making money. That confidence goes into the music. That's why a lot of these young niggas is cocky and arrogant. Because they get into the music. Let me tell you something. The young niggas is cocky and arrogant. Because they get into them.

Let me tell you something. The people that created hip-hop, and this is very easy to understand. People that created hip-hop got paid in sandwich bags. You know, you can fit about $30,000 to $40,000 in a sandwich bag. My generation got paid in grocery bags. You can fit about $150,000 to $200,000, depending on how big the bills are. These niggas get paid in trash bags and not kitchen trash bags. The industrial.

The yard. The industrial. Heavy duties. I did not know that a nightclub could pay somebody $60,000, $70,000 on the back end to come to a club and just hang out and smoke. These dudes got it good they got it great the only thing with these dudes is that there's an expectation that goes far beyond what you say because people not just only buying into

music they're buying into lifestyles you know what i saying? So they want to follow your life and see if you're doing some cool shit. That's what they, we know the music is good, but what do you be on? What y'all be doing? You know what I'm saying? How y'all living? Y'all really got them cars and that money? Like that, I want to see some of that shit.

What y'all be smoking on in the studio? I want to smoke some good gas. What's that shit called, y'all? So people let them into the world and social media you know, it's a big social media is a big bluff because The reason I say that is because these people are not your friends and they don't like you even though that's what the the apps Say right They they will cosign the things that you want them tosign and then snap on the shit that you don't.

So as long as you're talking about, man, this weed is good. Like, man, I bet that weed good. That weed look good. Man, it's beautiful out here. We at the beach chilling. Oh, man, that shit look live or whatever. Man, I just bought the new car and all of that. Oh, man, that's crazy.

Trump for president. Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. Kamala for president. Hold up. Hey, hey. Nobody ask you that shit. Nobody ask you that shit. We ain't really worried about that from you, whoa. Camelot for president. Hold up, wait, hey. Nobody ask you that shit. Nobody ask you that shit.

We ain't really worried about that from you, honey. From you? Where the weed at? Where the weed? Where that car? Yeah, where all that at? That's crazy, yeah. Where the weed molds at, man?

That's exactly how it is. Oh, God. So once you let these people into your life, they start dictating how the fuck you even move. How you know once they tell you they don't like that you do this If you got that many followers and you monetize you might stop doing this shit No, sir, if they like man you cool But you know so on so on your team if I can't wrap it off you might send a motherfucker home Cuz you losing followers this shit man. Quit putting that motherfucker on them songs, man. That shit was jammed. I'm serious,

man. If social media would start dictating where you go, who you hang with, man, that's a cool-ass car, but man, you don't see everybody got that, you don't see they got that new electric Rolls Royce. You ain't gonna get that Spectra. You ain't gonna pull up like that. Now you gotta spend $70,000, $80,000 more

on a deposit, because you ain't from the a motherfucker like this So it's just so much so he came so it's a lot of things that they benefit from that we couldn't benefit from But there's a lot of things that they got to deal with that We ain't got to deal with and that ain't really just even in artists. That's young people in general I wouldn't want to be 15 right now. You couldn't pay me to be 15 years old right motherfucking now Oh No, I don't want to be 15 right now. You couldn't pay me to be 15 years old. Right, motherfucking nah. Oh, nah, I just wanted to know. We're talking about the music, now.

Hey, man. Let's say Ken. I'm gonna just be, man, hey, hey. Brother P, your brother now. What, you got any normal glasses, dawg? You fucking us up over here with them big ass eyes, man. Them prescription- What part of swaggy... I know, man.

He's brother. I'm not the only one, God. He's brother. That's a nice fucking fish with some big fucking eyes. Hey, hey, hey. Look. Brother, brother, brother. I see where this brother knowledge shit come from.

When he's eating the food in Houston, he would speak like you, too. You talking about who? Knowledge shit. Y'all is just... Like, he just... This is... Like, every time he say you, too. You talking about who? All this shit. All this is just... Like, he just... This is... Like, every time he say something, we look over there. Right? This shit is fucking us up, right? I'm not... Like, just thank you.

Keep it like that. I don't know. See? You just like the fans. You don't want to see Swaggy grow. You want to see Swaggy be this. You don't want to see me grow. He just said this shit. I got you. You not... But, nah, nah, nah. Brother, fuck you. Yeah.

That's how I feel about that. That's how I feel about that, Jack. Well, let's get into some basketball. Hold on. Let me ask you something. So, you being one of the pioneers coming out of Texas, your pen name is like that. What if you have one or multiple, some of your favorite verses that you're, 16, whatever that you've written.

Pinky Ring. I think Pinky Ring is probably one of my more, in my mind, technical in the way that I wrote it, but it's called Pinky Ring, so it's a driving song, so motherfuckers ain't really listening to how good I'm rapping. Now, I'm rapping in a way

that don't get in the way of it being a cool laid-back record But I felt like I was really saying some shit in a different way that motherfuckers hadn't really said shit and nobody cared because it Was a smooth song now murder you paying attention to murder because I'm hurt the beat and all of that So it lend itself to a motherfucker saying that but I think pinky ring is probably one of my best verses Okay, and people that's really, really into UGK will bring, like, Pinky Ring up and Gravy and songs that you don't think about. You know what I'm saying?

Because I'm a lyricist, so for me, I'm going to pick the songs where I feel like I was rapping my ass off. But that's not really what people came to UGK for. You know what I'm saying? It was really to fit the mood. Like, we know how Texas night goes. We know how the streets are moving or whatever.

So I don't want to play too much fast shit because I don't want you paying attention to some shit where you need to be seeing, you know what I'm saying, what's going on around you. So the music is meant to be easy to play in the background. But if you do stop and listen to it, it's talking about the kind of shit you're doing. You know what I'm saying?

So Pinky Ring is definitely up there, but Murder is probably mine. Well, Murder is recognized because nobody was really rapping like that from the South. No. Technically, because it wasn't required. Nobody really, nobody in the South, fans in the South didn't ask me to rap like that. You know, but I always wanted to rap like that. But again, all the music and shit be slow. So I told Pimba, I said, man, I the music and shit be slow So I told him I say man

I need a fast song and Pimba be the main motherfucker tell me you niggas can't fuck with my be my any go over I said I can't rap out rap niggas at 75 BPM Like this shit is meant to Cadillac turn what this shit is not meant for that So they gave me murder as a way to really show motherfuckers what I could really do, you know Five groups Including y'all we like Alcance of all not just everybody everybody top five top five not in any order. It don't have to be just five

Okay Run DMC off top. Okay? Run DMC was always special to us because Run DMC had a nigga that wore glasses, but he wasn't no soft nigga. And that's the thing about Pimp. Like, I never saw nobody crack a... Nobody ever cracked a joke with Pimp about his glass,

him wearing glass. That's why I'm offended that you came in, Nick. Thank you, man. I don't appreciate that. Pimp, man. Where you think I got it from? You see, you took his off. No, I'm Pimp you came in Nick like thank you You took his off now P P P P that definitely run DMC BDP and the reason I say BDP because KRS one was a street dude that didn't have a problem

with Showing he was intelligent. He was very, very serious about showing people he was intelligent. And when they first started, they was as street as it could be. They were beefing with the niggas in the Queens, the Bronx and all of that, and the Juice Crew and all that type of shit. But I look at it in retrospect now because I was a big fan of the music and the language and the vocabulary and all of that, but then he was one of the first people I saw that had to carry his group on after somebody had passed away. And was still able to make sure he honored his partner in the music, kept his memory alive.

I didn't even realize how much of an impact that had on me until I was in that situation. So there was already people showing that you could still honor somebody and keep the music going and keep everything alive. Like obviously I can't be UGK, but I can still make music that contributes to the legacy of UGK and make sure that people not putting shit on my boy name. You know what I'm saying? You did it there, brother. Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely. Number three, I got to say Ball and G. I got to say Ball and G. And the reason I say Ball and G

is because I've seen them go through everything that musicians go through in a record company, falling out with your original people, rebuilding, learning how to

restructure everything and all that. I've seen them do all of that without letting it fuck with them. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes people go through things that make them different people. They come out different because of it. And I'm not saying that they shouldn't because when you go through some hard times, it can make you a hard person.

Man, these dudes are still as funny, fun to be around. You know, them and Devin, those are the best kind of people you could be around because I've been seeing these people, it's 92, I've been seeing these dudes for 32 years. They just talk the same. They still smoke the same kind of weed. They laugh at the same jokes. They with the same people. You know what I'm saying? And they still mean what they've always meant to the game. They stayed solid in spite of the bullshit. And they made great music the whole time. They pointed at one of my birthdays in Denver.

I still believe that A-Ball and MJG are one of the most underappreciated groups ever because being in a group ain't easy you know I'm saying motherfuckers get old motherfuckers don't fuck with the same kind of women right so you get married I get married our wives might not get along there's a lot of shit that go into this shit you know I'm saying this I'm being real. Absolutely. You know, baby mama drama, all that type of shit. They keep going, hey, man, you just can't keep coming around. You need to get your house together. All that type of shit

will break up a group, man. These dudes been through a lot. I'm not saying they went through this shit either. I don't know. But life. Life. Whatever was going on, they stuck with each other. They were like, as long as me and you together, we got this. And that's why I love balling cheese so much um Wu-Tang clan the reason I say the Wu-Tang clan is because it's hard to keep two

motherfuckers it's hard to keep two motherfuckers on the same same page You ever try to get oh you ever try to get four friends to meet you somewhere at the same day at the same time Imagine your money is tied into that Imagine your money everything about your life is tied into eight other motherfuckers Being what they supposed to be on time and one of them is old Dirty Bast. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That shit not easy to

maintain, to keep together. It's not easy to schedule. You gotta have, motherfuckers gotta be able to go to studio time, to the studio, to the show, all this type of shit, man man and life get in the way All the motherfucking time life gets in the way They was able to in spite of all of that shit. They built a world-renowned Group that to this day

They go anywhere in the world and represent that shit and now nine motherfuckers have revenue they own Relative singular revenue streams because they all do their solo projects. Some of them lend themselves to other things. That's the man. He's an actor now, making that kind of money and shit like that. But to believe that we,

and it's protective as well, too, because there's nine of us wherever we go. So we should be able to take care of any situation, but smart enough to know that we different dudes, and they might not like this shit in Arizona, and they might not like this shit in South Dakota,

and so it might be more than nine motherfuckers sometimes. But they still, to this day day they still find a way to bring everybody back together you know and some of them are more successful than others but they bring that success back to the collective you know method man don't just being a method man doesn't need the wu-tang clan necessarily in our eyes but in his mind in his heart i ain't nothing without the wu-Tang Clan. And that's what being in a group is all about. That's number four.

Number five. Uh-oh, that's it. Number motherfucking five. You left off some good groups. I gotta say N.W.A. I was about to say. I gotta say N. I gotta say NWA and it don't even matter that they wasn't even a group the whole time

they got to beefing and the group broke up but man fuck the police is the boldest shit a black man ever said to the police they made a song when you make a song called fuck the police. They made a song, when you make a song called

Fuck the Police, you put yourself on the police radar. You got a job that take you all around the country. Where's police? Everywhere you gotta go. And you the dude that say

fuck the police. Now, you might be able to get away with that shit in certain cities, major metropolitan cities where you can get lost in it, but in small-town America, motherfucking Mississippi, Alabama,

you talking some fuck the police shit, it get real. It's real. I met a motherfucker about 12 years ago that told me that the police picked him up and took him in the woods and told him to you. That told me that the police picked him up and took him in the woods and told him to run. That motherfucker said,

I'm not running. I'm not going nowhere. He killed me here. I'm not going nowhere. This shit, that's in small-town America. This shit still happens. And these motherfuckers out here saying, fuck the police. Damn. Back then. And you know what we did?

We said, fuck them, too, so the police know they had more than, it was, it was some more with them. More than them, fuck them, too, so the police know. They had more than... It was more than them, huh? It ain't just them. Yeah, yeah, we feel that way, too. And, you know... They did not stand the test of time, but they gave us more than enough

from the group to run with. And that's kind of what I think N.W.A. was meant to do. Because they all went, even with Dr. Dre being as rich and popular with The Chronic and all of that, it's still N.W.A. It's still fuck the police. We were all Ice Cube, prolific. All it meant is fuck the police.

Eazy-E's gone, rest in peace, man. He was, man, said fuck the police. And I don't think we believe nobody more when they said fuck the police than Eazy-E. You, rest in peace, man. He was, man, said, fuck the police. And I don't think we believe nobody more when they say, fuck the police than Eazy-E. You know what I'm saying? That one of the littlest in stature, but one of the biggest in character and personality, Eazy-E. So, yeah, I got to give it up to NWA,

because they made, I wasn't even, I wasn't a Raiders fan. I didn't know who the fucking Kings was. None of that shit. I just know I needed them starter jackets and the pants, man. And that identity of just, we from the hood, we black, and we really don't give a fuck if they understand us. Because we're not talking to them no way.

Mm-hmm. No outpats and no bone thugs. Huh? No bone thugs. No, I said five! I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying. The man gave his list. Yeah, I just got a small bone to pick with you. That's all I just won't know what boy face

Ain't got more songs and oh and and y'all y'all deprived me me and face Trying to do an album together. What is this? This is 2024 yeah Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey for about 25 years. Okay, we need face. We don't need Brad. Right? We don't need Brad. Brad can do some music on it, but we need, I need face. Here's the thing.

He would, and it was always from him, Bunny, because that's what he called me. He called me Bunny, called me Bunny. Him and Big Mike called me Bunny Dangerous. It's a long story. Yeah. He said, Bunny. He called my phone. I asked the phone, Bunny, when are we going to do this album?

I'm ready when you are. I'm going to call you back. I don't want to hear from Face for six months. In that time, he had done another album, solo album, dropped the album, went on tour two years later. Buddy, stop fucking with me, Face. And the thing is, he would always call me. My wife would be there. My wife is a huge Scarface fan.

My wife believes that a Bumby Scarface album would be bananas. It would would be there. My wife is a huge Scarface fan, and my wife believes that a Bambi and Scarface album would be bananas. Like, it would just be crazy. So she get excited every time. Face Carl. Now, see, I told you he was going to call. It's y'all for the dude out. Year after year after year after year goes by,

and we just never get on the same page to do it. We both want to do it. Now, the problem is he want to produce most of us. I don't know. That's Brad. That's Brad. That's Brad. That's Brad. He wanted, he want to produce the motherfucker. I ain't got no problem with it, but Y'all can do some some of that, but y'all got to give us some of that too. Some of that. Yeah, it's gotta be a good balance. You gotta be, I'm with both, but I'm just from, I'm really, I'm really biased in this, in this conversation that conversation that we're having I do I really I honestly couldn't tell you

Why we have it done it understand like we both want to do it We both know it'll work We've had we've had it We've had to sit down with a very prominent figure in the music industry that flew to Houston To take us to dinner to talk about this album and the dinner got away from us. That's all I can tell you. The conversation started by music with some whole other different shit and it just it did never come to fruition but it's it's something that everybody want we want to do it

just I don't know it's I don't think we're ever in that, when he's ready, I'm not. You know, because I went through a lot of the Pimp C stuff in that time. There was a lot of restructuring. There was a time where I wasn't even doing music. And there was a time for him where he was the same way. Like, he, you know, was like, getting a little old. I don't want to keep doing all this shit.

You know, he got a front office job with Astro So he made good money now, so he don't have to go on the road. But so Scarface not really tripping about rap music but When they call off a tiny desk and they let Brad get out there absolutely But now he wanted to do everything because people know he is full talent He even even playing the guitar on these albums the whole time face probably produced a lot of song Most people don't even know he produced a lot of shit. You heard him rapping on he produced he played on I didn't know I went back and look pretty produce songs for me saying hooks and shit for me A lot of people even know that he does that now. He's got a new life because of that

So he out there with the band that's what he owned now and it's a lot easier because you're not you know i spent a lot of time just being real i spent a lot of time trying to get my money with pistols at two in the morning from drug dealers absolutely you know what i'm saying and you that shit get old after a minute it's not even about if you can handle it, because in that sense, it's not an issue. But I'm 52 years old. I ain't trying to get paid with pistols no more. I need to be done, really, before the steakhouse closed. So all that pulling up at 1 in the morning.

We off dead. I need some good food. My team needs food. We old niggas, man. My knees don't work right after midnight. If somebody starts shooting, I probably won't be able to run very fast. Absolutely.

He's dunking behind something. So, yeah. Like... So I'm just trying to take myself out of them times. I'm with you. But yeah, no,

the Bumby and Scarface album would be amazing and it's just, life just kept getting in the way. I dig it, brother. So we got you here. You may have been sitting on the question.

Go ahead, go ahead. So we got you. We got to talk a little hoops. Obviously, you're a Rockets fan. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, recently signed Jalen Green and offering Shane Goon. JG. Multi-year extensions.

Got a solid young core mixed with some veteran leadership with Fred Van Fleet and Dylan Brooks. How excited are you about this Rockets squad, and what do you think their ceiling is this season? I'm good, man. I'm really, first of all, I like the direction that the organization is going in, investing in young talent. I don't think, I still don't think we got the right veteran. Like, I like Fred. Like, Fred is a good, genuine person. He's a hard competitor.

That's not, what his role plays, that's not what they're missing. You know what I'm saying? But that being said, I like young talent. I like investing in young talent. Because you can build a team around young talent. And they're trying to build this team around JG the right way. You know what I'm saying?

It's just about, y'all know, it's just about hitting that stride, getting a role. And sometimes seasons don't start. It take a while for this shit to start coming together. Luckily, y'all got a lot of games to play. So we can start figuring it out. I was surprised they

brought in Adams. That I didn't see coming. I didn't see that coming. But I think it can work. He's a seasoned guy. He understands how to play the game. And knowledge is important. Knowledge is definitely important. Clock management and shit like that is important. But I think the Rockets gonna be good.

I think they're good. I don't know how soon. I think maybe in the next three years. I think in the next three years, they should be very strong competitors, because they should have this shit all figured out. They should be gelling at that point. And they got bread, so they could spend some money to bring them in.

Tillman got some money. He got some bread. so they could spend some money to bring them in. Tillman got some money. He got some bread. If they get the right person becomes available, not like, well, I don't want to start picking on teams in Houston because I got a good relationship with everybody. But no, I believe the Rockets are on an upward trajectory

for sure, whereas we were not for many years. God bless him. Les Alexander was a good owner, but he was stuck in certain ways that Tillman not. You know, Tillman is a different kind of businessman. His business is done sociably. You know what I'm saying? So going out, really meeting with talent, getting to know people and figuring that type of shit out.

You know, he's a very personable owner, but he don't act like he know more about the game than the coaches and the staff and the athletes. He's just a person that makes – he's kind of like a Cuban that makes – you know, an owner that wants to make players feel comfortable. And Houston is a very easy city to like, Texas. You know what I'm saying? You save that tax money.

The quality of life is real good on all sides, especially for you young cats. The quality of life is very good. Houston has one of the best nightlifes. And there's no paparazzi in Houston. You know what I'm saying? Damn. Yeah, see? That's crazy.

Look, Nick, Nick just thought about that. Hell yeah. You ain't going to never get caught. I got PTSD from paparazzi. Waking up, seeing my name everywhere. It hurts. It hurts? It hurts. I wake up like, god damn, what did I do today?

It was because of what you did before you went to sleep. For real. For real. Before you closed your eyes, whatever you did. I wake up like, did I do something last night? Please don't let me check. I hate that. I like him.

I really like the center. He's a guy. I just really finally met him. That's a big boy. Oh, Sangoon? Sangoon is a big, big boy. But the city, we love him. He's a guy, I just really finally met him. That's a big boy. Oh, Sangoon? Sangoon is a big, big boy. But the city, like, we love him. He's nice.

Like, we love him. Like, we believe in him for the future. We love him. He having a rough start. But again, these things take some time to figure out. But as long as they build around him and JG, we can figure this shit out. We can absolutely figure this out.

They need to play Rigg more. Shepard? Yeah. We'll see. And I like Amon. I like Amon. I like Cam. We got some young shooters.

We got some young shooters. Well, let's shift it to another team we need to discuss. We got Mr. B here on this couch. Got to talk about some things going on in the 414. Ray, we got to do it. It went from bad to worse. Bucs were looking to snap a four-game losing streak when the undefeated Cavs came to town Saturday.

Giannis finished the game with 34.16 rebounds and nine dimes, and they're having his worst game with the Bucs on Halloween. Dame came through with his first 40-piece of the season. Hitting 10 threes along with this clutch go-ahead bucket with nine seconds remaining to give the Bucks a one-point lead things looked like they were on the up and up the Dame time was short-lived as Donovan Mitchell responded high-five brother peace high-five shooting down the Mitchell was fine with 19 footer we High five. It's a high five. Brother Pete's high five shooting guard, Donovan Mitchell, was found with a 19-footer.

We got some Cavs fans in the building. Still the win for the Cavs. Bucs are now 1-5 on the season, five straight losses following their season-opening win over the Sixers. That was for Mr. B. They said he was looking for me in the stands. They said that after the game, he said, Where's Mr. B at?

Y'all better talk about that on Gil's Arena, presented by underdog Woof Woof. Woof Woof. Mr. B, how concerned are you with the current state of the Bucks franchise? You can be honest. This is a safe space. I'm concerned. It's ugly. It ain't pretty at all, man.

Rumors about Giannis wanting to go other places, it ain't good at all. The Nets and Heat have been potential options warriors in the mix as well. We stuck. Bro, we are stuck right now. And it's a shame. Worst start for the Bucks in 2000. Diabolical. We stuck.

We'll take him. Huh? We'll take Giannis if you want to leave. In LA? No boo dinner. Not potentially. You think they get rid of him before the deadline? Get rid of him?

Ooh, ooh. And Giannis if you want to leave. In L.A.? No boo dinner. Opposite to him. You think they get rid of him before the deadline? Ooh, ooh. Giannis. Huh? Giannis. How long can they manage this? That's my thing.

Like, how long can they manage this? Does he have... Because I'm not familiar with the contract and all of that. Do we... I don't even know if he's got the power to just... I mean, he can... I don't know what that leave... What kind of bind that leave to him.

He is the Greek freak. He can do whatever he wants. I mean, if he come out and say he wants to be traded, he will be traded. Yeah, I have a problem with that. I'm sorry. What's your problem, Gil? Yeah. There we go.

Because last season, this time, there was no talk of him leaving. There was no. So the fact that we brought a guy in who has him to the point where he's requesting the trade, I'm sorry. We've seen this before. We've just seen this in Philly.

A guy goes there and breaks up two seven-footers. You turn the city onto Ben Simmons. And you broke up that whole Philly situation.

And then you come here and you're breaking up my team? Like, I'm sorry. I'm going to have an issue with that. Well, we can't fire him. No, no, no. If I got to trade my piece, you're fired Because history if history says what history is saying

When doc is on the burner. He's already talking to another team. Mmm, and when he was with when he was with Clippers he was already talking with a whole nother organization when he was with when he was with Philly he was already talking with oh so I have to assume that the way his records been going for the last 43 games he is already talking to another team and one thing doc has is relationships so for the most part we know his ass is gonna get another job So what there's gonna be another team goddammit that's going to hire a lot of me because he His business is not winning game his business is relationships. I don't think no one's factored that in

We're looking at doc for his record. We need to be looking at his relationships He is friends with a whole lot of people who believe in doc it's not so it's so easy check as he checked out already that would you not it checked out when he checked in as soon as he wrote it he was perpetually checked out as soon as he signed that 40 million dollar boo-boo he lost that first game he's like hey so yeah how y'all doing over there how y'all doing over there I y'all doing how y'all doing over there i never thought about it like i mean think about that he came into a situation like you said

30 and 13 30 and 13 there's no fucking way he thought he was gonna just go on top of that like as a coach do you think that you were gonna like lose what go in a 20 game winning streak you know your offense thing like that the Bucks don't got the players but they had it but they had it they don't got the play what what is the odds if we had to vote right now and say all right doc is about to get a job he got 43 games with Giannis and Dame And who on the team on the same time on the team? I don't give a fuck who you put what you think they record would be ain't nobody ain't nobody having a 19 and 23 nobody on his god green earth to have a

Doc Rivers team with his name with Giannis and Dame on it. You're talking about two bona fide Hall of Famers in their primes. But it happens, though. Because you know how bad you have to be as a coach? Look at Phoenix. Yeah, I'm about to say. Look at Phoenix. Look. Oh, they've been injured.

These are healthy. Giannis was injured all last year. In the playoffs. He didn't play. This don't count as the playoffs. We're was injured all last year. In the playoffs. He didn't play. This don't count as the playoffs. We're talking about the regular season. His record is, we're talking about the regular season. He was.

No, we're not talking about, this ain't a playoff record. I just threw out the playoffs, but he was injured before that. We're talking about the 43 games. These men done played 38 of them. It don't matter, man. It do matter. If they was hurt, I get it, but they're healthy These are healthy stars not hurt stars

We're talking about healthy healthy stars. We've never seen this before we are one in five We're never seen the healthy star the team with two healthy stars that has this record ever. The Bucks ain't been this bad since I left. Come on, man. Ever. Two healthy stars with nothing else, and you playing against Boston, you playing against eight teams. That's never happened. That's gonna happen.

We've never seen it. Because this many people ain't been as good in the league. God damn it. Oh, boy, that's why. We've never seen it. Of course we ain't seen it. We ain't seen this. You ain't seen it.

You got a team with Jason Taylor playing the four. You got Brown. You got another team with fucking Paul George and Tyrese Maxey. They're ranked 25th. Yes, you playing against these type of people every night. Of course they're... Think about the teams that are... Think about who...

They're ranked 25th right now in the last 43 games with Doc. Now think about the teams that's going to be in front of them. Do they have a Dame and a Giannis on their team? Who is 24? You think they got a Dame and a Giannis? No. They got an even team. That means there's the Wizards down there.

Right? The Wizards. Right? You're talking about Memphis, the hurt Memphis. Right? They're down there. That means no job. They're down there. We're talking about Charlotte.

No Lonzo Ball. They're down there. We're talking the Blazers. LaMelo. LaMelo. We're talking about Blazers. No star. They're down there. Right? We're talking about, uh... Shit. Detroit. There's no Damien Yacht.

Those are the people that's beating them That is embarrassing That that's that's the only team that they're in front of yeah, that's horrible. I'm just sitting there like damn Yeah, think about the teams that you were talking about. Yeah, like I'm tall. I'm sorry They could have had the fucking mascot coaching. They get fucking 19 and 23. No, no, no, no. 19 and 23? They lost to Memphis.

I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about period. It's only five games. I'm talking. We're talking about the last. Listen, the last 43 games of this man's coaching, they are ranked 25th with this record. 25th in the NBA.

Since Doc got there, in the last 45... This shit goes back. This goes back to last year. They're ranked 25th. Once he got the job. Since he's been there, they are ranked 25th. They can coach themselves to be 19 and 23. I'm not spending $40 million on it.

I'm not going against Doc. $40 million to have 19 and 23 with them playing? It's not Doc's fault. Who is it? Who is it, then? Who is it? They not healthy. Who's not healthy?

They been there. They're not healthy. Dame ain't play like Dame. Talk about Dame. Have Dame been Dame? Yes. All right. Now, okay. This is Dame. Yeah. Have Dame been Dame? Yes. Hey, man. All right.

Now, okay. This is first 40-point game y'all talk about. First 40-point game. First 40-point game. In the last 43 games? Dame ain't been Dame in the last 43 games? In the Boston and whatever. The Milwaukee Bucks uniform, he ain't been Dame in the Blazers.

Bucks currently have the worst record in the Eastern Conference, one and five. Okay. Okay. They're ranked 29. Blazers. They're ranked 29. Blazers. They're ranked 29 right now. 2-5 right now. Two new people on the team.

Who? And you're blaming the coach. Who? Two new people. Two new people came to the team and you're blaming the coach. Who? Who? We just poking each other.

Dame is new. Doc is new. But Doc get the blame. Oh, because before. Dame is new and Doc is blue, but only Doc get the blame. Because before doc got there they were 30 and 13 do you forget they're 30 and 13 so whatever you want to say before doc got there they were 30 and 13 you can't take away 30 and 13 so right they're 30 and 13 they're second

yeah so beef whatever whatever your excuse is they don't get along. They can't play. 30-13. That's fine. 30-13. And they fired that coach. I mean, that should be bad. And then since then, 19-23. Since then.

So they only won 19. So in the first 43 games, 30-13. Since Doc's 43 games, 19-23, which ranks 23rd. 23 or 24. Or 24. They lost again. They lost to Hollandburg in the playoffs. Yeah, there was an additional loss. The playoffs. And Dame lost to Indiana in the playoffs. He lost to Hollenberg in the playoffs.

Yeah, there is an additional loss that... The playoffs? We ain't even talking about the playoffs. I'm saying, that's who we are. We should. That counts. That's the record, don't it? No, that's not part of the record. No, sir. But still, they lost. Shit, they ain't looking at 19 and more. 20 and fucking... 27.

It's now 19 and 25. 19 and 25. Our most updated. We found some extra losses. Oh damn Help him out a little bit see Doc's Offense, he don't have it. He don't he is today's generation of

standstill, right? He is the type of coach that needs either the triangle or the Princeton. And the reason you need those two is because the other players on your team, like the triangle and the Princeton, is made for the team. Right? It's made for the team, to get the team moving. Right? So if you, like old UCLA, like when UCLA was built,

it was built because they didn't have stars. So we're going backdoor cut, and if you don't play it right, these guys get these easy layups. Same thing with the Princeton and the Triangle, right? We have guys moving. So instead of Prince and all these guys sitting in the corner waiting, y'all cut off slashes. Nobody guards them. That's an easy lay. Now, when Giannis and them have the ball, you can't really help Because this guy's slashing through this guy's coming through it creates

Movement for the guys who don't usually get the ball So now you have to play full defense versus okay just Giannis is there Are we just gonna sit him and watch him? He ain't passionate all the way over our heads and that's what really those two off That's what he needs for his team. He needs to move the other three people around. So they can get easy, lazy, huh? Ain't they other star player here?

Third player? Chris Middleton? Yeah. Andrew? He's all right. I'm just saying, man. I'm not talking about Doc. Doc won the championship.

He beat Kobe. It's hard to beat Kobe. Kevin Garnett beat Kobe. No. And he beat LeBron James. Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen coached that team. All the best they had on that team. So basically, they better than all these people he coached.

Now. Who? KG, Paul George. I mean, he better than... Everybody coached lately from fucking MB, MB Trash. He can't win it. Fucking Chris Paul and the whole Blake Griffin. Paul, so only KG could do it. It was only KG.

KG and Paul. It was only KG. It was nobody else. He got there. I'm just saying, that shit sounds crazy. He got there, KG and him. When you win, It's just this player He didn't have no he didn't have his nails in that first year. What happens when he got his nails in? Yeah

What I'm about this. I'm gonna tell you this. How about this? Doc Rivers Out of all coaches has ever coached He has coached the most Hall of Fame players in league history. The most Hall of Fame players has played for Doc. How many championships you got? Okay. Hey, man.

I believe. This is a real person. Hey, man. No, I'm just saying, because it's one of those things where, Okay. Hey, man. I believe... This shit got real personal. Hey, man. No, I'm just... I'm just saying. Because it's one of those things where, like, when are we gonna, like... You can't blame Doc all the time.

I'm sorry, but if this was the other way around, and the record started with Griffith at 19 and 25, he would have been fucking fired. Right? They would have fired the fuck out that dude. Got fired at 30 and 13? fucking fired. Right? Right there with a fire the fuck out that dude. And then Doc comes in, 30 and 13. Shit, coach of the year, damn man. What the hell of a turnaround?

So how do you fire 30 and 13 and then the next 43 games, you're 19 and 25 and there's nothing. I'm sorry. At some point pride kicks in. Your pride, in your pride fuck your pride you Got rid of bud. Okay, you fucked up you got rid of Griffin. Okay, you fucked up

But if you're fired doc right now, no one is gonna be like I was a bad fire Amen, could you say because this relationship blame some players relationships is good at some point You gotta blame some players players to can't blame doc I'm not blaming doc for this, you know, so you're not blaming Blaming doc for for the day loss off a game Paul Paul George didn't make a shot in the playoffs playoff P didn't show up He had zero points a Hall of Famer at zero or three points. That's doc fault shot But can you leave me the arena so Paul by this conversation doc Paul so Paul he's a Paul by this combo

yeah I gotta get out I gotta bounce in a minute okay mm-hmm you can't blame doc for that no no no just get just game was the game six it was a Denver he took okay you know game seven games oh I hit a three round of room three three one That's his fault three one and he decided he was gonna golf and have fun at the golf course I will let's move on to and close it mostly fair true story Jordan did presented by underdog True story download the app use promo code. You'll get a thousand dollars in bonus cash They said I got some good relationship. Is he fucking you? You They said Doc got some good relationships. Is he fucking you, boy? What's up? Come on. You over here.

Respect me. No, no, no. The way you jumping for Doc, I've never heard you over here with the Docs. I just thought about it, man. I'm about to, though. I'm about to post it. Well, goddamn.

You been OP-ass. I'm just saying. You been OP-ass. I got it. I mean, come on. Goddamn. Amen. When did you become a dog fan? I'm a coach.

I don't let slander like that shit happen. We have Brother Pete. I mean, okay. But first question, Underdog user 14Flat. The question is for you, Mr. Trillo G. Did the NFL Jay-Z get it right picking Kendrick over Lil Wayne for the Super Bowl halftime show? That I can't really speak to

because I don't know what exactly they're trying to get accomplished with that halftime show? That I can't really speak to because I don't know what exactly they're trying to get accomplished with that halftime show. I understand the idea of New Orleans being mad that their own won't be on that stage. That's a legitimate beef.

But just like Gil said, man, a lot of these things are relational, you know? A lot of these things are relational. I don't know what relationship hove has with wayne or with kendrick i know that hove is at the top of making this decision but i'm sure there are people that argue for and against certain things so whoever's opinions he trusts i'm sure help them

come to this decision i don't think it's just Jay-z at the top top my that person needed to do it I think it's a conversation of who? Who potentially could do it you put them all on the table you take the pluses and the minuses of what you're trying to get done I don't know if sponsorship Things come into this if one person is sponsored by this company like I'm sponsored by a company So if I if somebody wants me to come to an event and it's sponsored by this company, like I'm sponsored by a company, so if somebody wants me to come to an event and it's sponsored by this other company, I can't attend.

I can't be a part of it. And I don't really know what kind of hoops you got to jump through for the NFL, but I would imagine the vetting system for that motherfucker is pretty heavy. I do a lot of shit with the MLB, with the Astros. Other teams try to replicate it,

but the artists they get don't pass the vetting process. So they can't even do the shit like they were going to do. So it may be somebody on the NFL side from a sponsorship level that may be like, you know what? I don't think that's going to work for us because our brand is about this. We're sponsoring part of the sponsorship for this, and we don't want to be...

I don't know what motherfuckers think about it. But I do know that New Orleans, they got a right to be mad. They got a right to be mad. Matter of fact, I think I should have been mad last time that motherfucker came through Houston. I might need to be upset about it. One of the football players, Gerald,

he said, the people that's going to be there won't be New Orleans. No, it's the Super Bowl. And that's a fact, right? Very few of the people in the whole city actually get to go and see the game in person. The Super Bowl halftime show, realistically, ain't even for the motherfuckers in the building. The Super Bowl halftime show is for the world. This is one of the most viewed sporting events,

one of the most viewed events, period, in the world. So I think they're going by that as opposed to the whole city, because Super Bowls go to cities that ain't fly like that. You know? I'm just being real. Like, if you... Look, I don't want to start shitting on... But a Denver Broncos... If you ain't a weed smoker,

a Denver Broncos Super Bowl... Denver Super Bowl might not be your cup of tea. It'll probably be cold. You know what I'm saying? It ain't gonna be turnt up like that. You know what I'm saying? Now, you do have legalized marijuana, but that's a plus.

But a lot of these motherfuckers is legalized now. So what used to be cool about certain cities is just regular. It is standard. At this point. I think both of them

are great entertainers. I think both of them could do a great show, but I think those are two totally different performances. And Wayne is... Wayne is like... He's real loose with it right not in the performance

But the kind of shit he talks about Kendrick is a lot safer for national consumption for worldwide consumption because Wayne's lyrics will be talking about certain things Kendrick don't talk about those things in that manner and this is a TV concert That's the other thing this is a TV concert. This is going around the world So I could see where people might want to be hesitant to let certain people get on the stage look at LA there's a lot of rappers from LA didn't get to touch that Super Bowl yeah you know I'm saying they great artists but they might be connected to something the Super Bowl don't want to represent that's how that shit go yeah how did you convince Jay-Z to get on Get Throwed?

Well, I mean, we had already worked together. I got on his shit, you know. So it was just a matter of, you know, trying to get him to get on my shit. Now, it took time. It's a different week. Yeah, no, no, not Get Throwed. No, no, let me tell you this. Jay-Z is a big fan of, like, southern hip-hop,

and so he get it. And he liked the challenge of that type of shit, too and in the south Our connection with Hove at the time of we did Big Pimpin Wasn't that strong he was a big deal, but not necessarily where we were okay, so when you put basically him who's got all these big Entry points and all these major cities. We picked up a lot of the small, medium markets and it allowed everybody to be a part of this shit.

Okay. Well, Bun B, Trill OG, we appreciate you pulling up. You know, you got to bring some Trill burgers with you next time, obviously. With cheese, with cheese. Appreciate everybody on the couch. Appreciate everybody in the chat for tapping in with us on this Monday. Another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog.

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