Gil's Arena - Kevin Durant SNAPPING At His Haters Destroys Gil's Arena

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Gil's Arena Reacts To Kevin Durant TWEETING Out His Future as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Kevin Durant sparking trade rumors after a viral night on Twitter brought out reports that KD is on his way out of Phoenix in the coming weeks with teams like the San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets and New York Knicks emerging as the favorites to land the legendary NBA Superstar. The Gil's Arena Crew breaks down what team is the best fit for Durant and give their take on the debate over his underwhelming career since leaving Steph Curry & The Golden State Warriors. Next, they react to the Ringer's updated top 100 NBA Players list and debate where the list went right and wrong with players like Joel Embiid, Paul George, and LaMelo Ball all getting snubbed with low ratings. They follow that up with a debate over Andy Roddick's comments that tennis players are the best athletes in the world before reacting to Kyrie Irving sticking up for Karl Anthony Towns following the smattering of hate towards the New York Knicks Superstar following their loss in the NBA Playoffs. They then welcome rapper Flawless into Gil's Arena to break down his experience on the Netflix series Rhythm & Flow and give his take on the best rapper in the game right now before finally previewing Game 3 of the NBA Finals where Tyrese Haliburton & Shai Gilgeous Alexander both look to guide their teams to a series lead for the NBA Title. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Flawless, Kenyon Martin & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE:    / @gilsarena   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:02:02 Show Start 0:08:11 What Sport Has The Best Athlete? 0:33:06 Ringer's Top 100 NBA Players List 0:41:54 Embiid Ranked 84th In The NBA 0:51:10 Flawless Enters Gil's Arena 0:52:40 Life After Rhythm & Flow 1:03:21 Flawless Calls Out Rashad's Favorite Team 1:05:14 Kyrie Irving Stands Up For Karl Anthony Towns 1:15:09 Thibs Thanks The New York Knicks 1:36:59 Kevin Durant Defends His Legacy On Twitter 2:11:15 Shai Is Quietly One Of The Greatest Scorers Ever 2:17:44 Tim Hardaway Is Still Going After Hali 2:36:14 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa! Finals are back, game three. I see Gil has picked a side. No, I told you, listen, he bad luck. I keep telling you all, man. Bad luck, man. Indiana, you all better listen, throw some sage around arena tonight

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That's what you were saying. That's the Nap Town tonight. Woo woo. That's how Nap Town says woo woo. And on this side of the couch we got the man known as Money Making Sonny, NCAA Champion of the World Rashad McCants. And next to me we got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenyon Martin is back in the arena with us. For all the fans who still got to viewing after for our traditional version mobile vertical version pick which everyone you want to watch just make sure you support

the show. Here's what's cracking on the arena today SGA is just the fourth MVP in league history with 3,000 total points in a season is it too early to add Shay to the discussion amongst the greatest scores of all time KD took the Twitter to defend his legacy but is it fair to say Durant's career has been disappointing since his departure from the Warriors. He doesn't think so. A lot of internet casuals do. He had to go head to head with him. And finally the Ringer recently updated their top 100 players list for this season which players got respected and which ones got neglected. But before we get into all that as always this show is brought to you by Underdog. Go ahead download the App

Use promo code GIL. Get into a1,000 bonus cash plus a special pick. And as I mentioned, game three of the finals is tonight. And as such, Sonny has some picks up in his partner pack on the Underdog app. Let us take a look, if we can please. We've got Hallie, lower 2.5, three-pointers made. Pascal Siakam, lower 1.5, three-pointers made. I'm sensing a trend here.

Benedict Matherin, lower 0.5, three-pointers made. Isaiah Joe, lower 0.55 three-pointers made. I'm sensing a trend here. Benedict Matherin lower 0.5 three-pointers made. Isaiah Joe lower 0.5 three-pointers made. Obe Toppin lower 1.5 three-pointers made. You think all their jumpers will be broke tonight or they're just? Negative Nancy. Throw that bitch on the ball. Hope something stick.

Thriving off negativity with that. Last game I went all higher and it just hit and we gonna go lower today. I hate these ones because. Tough ones. Yeah, Matherner come in. Of course, of course. I'm counting on Isaiah not to play at all.

Okay. Matherner don't shoot threes like that. Siakam, he, every time I bet on him to go over two, he never does. So let's figure this out. Oh, man, you gotta explain your pick. I'll just add that. Over the top, he might, you know, he up in there. He never, but it's at home.

So I might. Yeah. That's the thing. I'm hoping they still guard Tyrese the same way though, because they're not letting him shoot. Yeah, that one I'm cool with him making three. I get, yeah, cool. Yeah.

Isaiah Joe probably the only one I'm scared of. Matthew in two, corner three. Yeah, corner Joe probably the only one I'm scared of. Bathroom two, corner three. Yeah, corner. Yeah. I'm giving this a moment letting the chat kind of figure these things out. My shit low, my shit low. I'm trying to get it back up. I'm trying to get it up, Shaf, while I'm stalling.

A little bit. Numbers down all the way around the board, man. Not a lot of believers right now, but we asked the chat if they're riding or fading, which your partner packed. 34% of the chat says they're riding or fading with your partner pack 34% of chess as they're riding 66% of the track currently not rolling. That's good. Not thriving off They know why cuz I probably gonna win and 66% Will not be a part of that function But they y'all just go opposite of me y'all and win if you do use shouts partner

I can win a full opposite more than 12 times your bread nearly 13 times If you round up Gil also has some picks times your bread nearly 13 times if you round up Gil also has some picks up in his partner pack on the underdog gap. Let's see What he's got you'll got Tyrese Halliburton higher 7.5. It's it. Oh shit. He added a boost SGA Oh shit higher 2.5 blocks and steals combined Pascal Siakam higher 15.5 points The outcome is a bit a little off so far in the finals average of 17 again But if you use gifts pack you got the way you begin to boost that Gil the extender will promo do you? Give my pics just click them. Okay, it's a booster pack. I've got a dot the extender promo They got a lot of stuff going on on the underdog app

But if you use just pick you can win nearly five times your bread. So we asked the chat if they're riding or fading With your partner, Peggy? Hold on. Give me a moment. Easy money. What's the name you let me down yesterday? Who? Kelsey.

What you had? I had her, uh. Five or six? No, couple threes, I think. Two threes. She don't have one. She went like 0 for five. Oh, she didn't hit none?

Oh hell no. See this? Everybody else turned up. Everybody else turned up. So we asked the chat if they're riding or fading. Your partner packed 69% of the chat currently riding with your partner packed on underdog up. Up to 5 tiger brush.

Out you 12. They're a little bit less risk. I've been losing. I wouldn't ride with me either. I wasn't even going to turn my picks little bit. Let's risk it. I've been losing. I wouldn't ride with me either. I wasn't even going to turn my picks in today. Fuck these picks, man. Give me some more money.

But if you're up with either of those, go ahead and hit the underdog app. Roll with the partner packs. If you don't have underdog download that, if you use promo code Gil, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pickup. And if you can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast So we're gonna start this with a little interesting discussion. That's been Dominating sports news so French Open just wrapped up this weekend

Cocoa golf taking home the crown on the women's side on the men's side Carlos Alcaraz mounted a legendary comeback to defeat Yannick Center in five sets to win his second straight title at Roland Garros So the five-, 29 minute match is the longest in French Open history, second longest men's major final by time behind the 2012 Australian Open between Jokovic and Nadal. So after the record setting match, Andy Roddick,

former number one ranked men's singles player, 2003 US Open champ offered these thoughts on his Served podcast on how tennis players stack up against other athletes. I think tennis players are the best athletes in the world. Five hours and 40 something minutes on the biggest stages. You compare this to other sports. An NBA game is 48 minutes played in air conditioning

where you have teammates halftime timeouts. To say one thing doesn't mean you're throwing shade at someone else. I'm celebrating and applauding one set of athletes. It's the most complete examination of an athlete that I can think of. We used to get viewed as like, oh, you're soft country club sport. I don't know that that narrative exists. I don't know how you can watch and not say the athleticism on display is otherworldly. I think tennis players are the best athletes in the world. The more I watch it, the more I think it. Tell me why I'm wrong.

A lot of tennis in his day, five hour 30 minute match. So despite saying he wasn't trying to throw shade at NBA players, Roddick appeared to be respectfully disrespectful, but is Andy Roddick spitting or tripping saying tennis players are the best athletes in the world? Sean, what you think? It's worth the conversation. Going back and forth like they do for five hours,

knees, ankles, back, spasms, dehydration, all that shit. We can't say whether or not that's accurate because we're not tennis players. Go out there and play for five hours, hitting that bitch back and forth, back and forth. But they can't say what it is like to be on this side either. Everybody watching from a spectator standpoint. So I think until you actually go try to do it

and you feel what it is like, and then you make the assessment. And Larry plays everything, so I can make the assessment, you know what I'm saying? And it's, there's football players still exist, there's basketball, we jump, we run, we do a bunch of shit. So, it's worth the conversation, but like he said, he's speaking for his, his, his, his set of athletes and his sport. So you can't discredit it, you can only just kind of compare it and have the conversation. So Gil, you're a renowned local pickleball player, similar to tennis in some regards. Game's a little bit shorter. Playing in the elements though, in the Valley, 100 degrees.

What do you think about Andy Roddick saying tennis players are the best athletes in the world? When you say best athletes, means you take everybody out of their elements, and then you put them in other elements to see who can actually still compete at a decent level. I'm pretty sure you can take every basketball player and they can compete not probably not with him of course but they can compete in tennis I mean actually when we retire from our sports we play that yep there's no way he can retire from tennis and play basketball oh no mm-hmm right like he would get

cooked I mean he would get cooked even if he was young, because it's that sport. You have to you have to learn it from an earlier age. Right. So there's nothing they have on us. We have eye, hand coordination. We play against other bodies. This is like shadow boxing. Yep.

In a sense. Right. You're running up and down, moving side to side, but you're not can you're not physically in harm of nothing, right? Your worst injury, your top injury is probably what? Wrists. Get hit with the ball. Wrists, ankle, toe turf, blisters on the bottom of your foot, right? That's, there's no need patella's being torn you're not getting cut out of the air well I mean you do have to agree with that part Gail but they are 10 ACLs tennis ball look lucky for me uh

shoulder they have a whole elbow injury there's a dominant strains hip flex there's no there's when you think of top so in the top tendonitis tendonitis. They are they shouldn't it shouldn't strain you was like the level. No, no, it's strength. It's like a runner. It's like a runner level like and watch them with them. But I've watched the top athlete. No basketball player jump over other niggas.

That's 44 inch vertical. I understand that but I didn't ask you that I said have you ever went and watched the top like Andre Agassi Pete Sample? Have you ever went and watched the top like Andre Agassi Pete sample have you ever went and watched like them dudes Andy right? Have you ever went and watched a match in person? Yes, not him. No the top level guy. No, I Suggest you do right a different but we're not doing how hard it is So we're not comparing them but you trying to do like you discredit what they not a I'm not just discredit I'm saying they are yours as well. They but not us of course they not us okay so but that's

because they're not black athlete no we're talking about well we're just talking about the top now that's most recently the top tennis players are not black right no they just start man the top man by and large they just starting to pick it up and be somewhat relevant in that sport. So of course, they're not going to be the athletes that we are like they're just impossible DNA is it's fucking impossible. That's all we're talking about. So I mean, but for he's taking up just like you taking up a basketball. He's going to take up for tennis the same fucking thing, right?

So he feels the way he feels. I feel basketball the best thing on the planet but I've went and watched them dudes at the top level and be like god damn moving they fucking athletic got the six five six six out there serving that motherfucker 140 150 miles per hour like that shit is a skill like it's a motherfuckers and they are they've worked at it and then they are athletic and that and they own Right, right. Everyone's that they're not gonna be they're not gonna be us. Most of them got some guys are not athletic in that sport Yeah, this is not about just like basketball. We're talking about some guys not athletic in basketball, right talking about who's one?

But he's saying he's one they're the top. They're not okay. That's what he feels Yeah, but you feel that way. There's no logic behind it, they're the top. They're not the top. Okay, that's what he feels. Yeah, but- He can feel that way. There's no logic behind it. But that's the way he feels. No, it is. It is logic. So you can't discredit the way that man feels. I'm not discrediting him.

You're trying to, yes. No, I'm not discrediting him. Yes, you are. You're trying to. I'm saying when it comes to athleticism- But he feels different. Okay, so I'm saying athleticism- You have your opinion, right?

I'm saying athleticism. If I take him from his sport, can he be dominant in track? Tennis, boxing, any other sport, that's athleticism. So can we be dominant in the other sport if you take us after we got done playing? But you said after he got done playing, right? I can- Hold on.

You said after he got done playing, correct? I can take you- Did you answer my question? I can take you as an athlete in 6'10". Can you answer my question have 44 inch vertical? I can put you in boxing. Can you answer my question? I can put you in a wrestling. Can you put you in track? I can put you in football I can put you in every sport and you can play the sport. But you know you Athletic said you said your your statement is Did you not say when he gets done Let's go back and forth

Did you did you not say when he gets done playing that when we get done playing we go play a sport did you say that? Yes, so we get done playing our sport. we can't go be dominant in that shit. We go play it. We go play it, yep. For leisure, but we can't go be dominant in it when we get done playing. I mean, your words, these things that you said, he's going to feel the way he feels. Who's the best athlete? Who?

What are you talking about? Who is the best athletes in the world? I don't fuck gymnast nigga. Okay, the fuck is you I'll say the catholic On the planet that's a fucking good answer the gym are the best fucking good on the planet Hey, I was surprised by that. So so what are you saying? You can't go do shit. They can do At your fucking peak not in back't go do shit. They can do at your fucking peak. Not in backflip Not the shit that they can do Good. Do you have a floor routine?

So you're saying they do anything we can do. Yes. What can they do? Fucking new man Let us we don't let us Peer athleticism is your torque muscle. Yes, or absolutely Your body Goddamn shit land on your feet. No, you can't fucking not take ten sports, right and we take basketball players track football tennis in sports, and we take basketball players, track, football, tennis, gymnast, and we say you guys all have to do these sports against each other.

Who is the top athlete? So why don't you guys see? The football and the basketball player together. Okay, so what, against each other doing what? Playing basketball? If we did, if we did any regular activity where you gotta do. If we did, if we did, if we did, if we did sprinting, if we did volleyball, lifting, swimming, if we, it's about you, it's not about your sport, what does the body yourself

do? Gymnasts. Gymnasts probably. Gymnasts. You talking about balance, strength and core and all that, yes, maybe. And I'm a hell, at my fucking peak of me, before maybe. Yes. Yeah, and I'm a hell. I think we are fucking Pete This is what I think y'all talking about. I'm talking about us. It doesn't get better athlete than me. I know he's saying that don't get no better athlete than me.

We are the most adaptable athletes. That's called most adaptable. Best looking too. I would argue. But it doesn't mean that we are the best athletes. We can adapt to all of the sports. We can go in and say, yeah, we can pick that up. We can pick that up. We can pick that up. But to be the best is to say, we'll go into those sports and then succeed and thrive. And that's not something we can actually calculate.

But I get what you're saying. It's like, they can't do certain things we can do. Yeah, like you're saying that we, by default, because of what we do on our sport, we should be considered the best athletes because no one else can do. Because there's people that can do our sport that's not athletes.

But like I said, Mouse Garret can run and try to dunk from the free throw line and get there, but he might not dunk it, but he's athletic enough to do it. And now football players can dunk. Can't do, they can't land. They don't have the, yeah, they don't have the, but they haven't been taught like we have. They land like football. Right. They land like they land. They jump and land like football. Tennis players are

going to run from here to here as fast as they can. That's what they know. Go here, go here, go here, hit. But when you tell them to jump over the motherfucking, over the net, he going to get his foot caught. Absolutely. Some of them will. He ain't never did it. Absolutely. But it's different aspects of the sport that you look at you say, well, if you got a guy that played basketball and they never hit nothing, he's gonna swing. He's swinging this bitch. I guess a baseball you can go give me knocking it out the park every time. We all can do things

that the other set of athletes can't do. We all thrive in different ways, right? We all us different special ways, right? We all are different, special, some not athletes, some good at the sport, it's not athletic. Guys play basketball in the NBA that can't jump over fucking Saturday's newspaper. So those guys are not athletic at all. They've made it to the highest level.

We are gonna have a trouble. I think hitting the baseball probably the hardest. When it's the hardest. The hardest. You're trying to puck. We think based hitting a baseball probably the hardest Hardest Think about throwing the ball you have to throw the ball accurately to first base from over here Can you catch a baseball? I'm a champion literally with my bare hand. No with the glove like they do Yeah, can you hit a baseball? Can you write? Can you be an outfield you think that's easy though? No, I'm just saying can'm asking you do you think about ball with a glove is easy. That's I think y'all miss it

It's not about your particular sports We're talking about the human body itself as the the the athlete itself the athlete run jump run jump react Move it's that's the athlete but you think a basketball player can put a baseball glove on and just Catch a baseball just cuz You think it's that easy? We got the best with the best they miss they miss they miss they miss they miss the ball We're not talking about being experts at some no you just talking about doing it

Yeah, we have I hand coordination coordination we can't that easy that's what I'm saying dominant to doing it so you but you lose you fucking tricky boy can he do anything we can do yeah any level the beginner level we can be beginners at their sport we can put a tennis and we can move we can jump we can That's what we naturally can do we can run side to side up and down move So we can naturally do that without hitting the ball right play defense without hitting the ball And you're on a decent MIDI can we jump up and down you can rebound chase us and run around get through screen like There's no human being that he has to react to But the basic function of going to 24-hour if right anybody go to 24-hour, right?

Can you get a pick him up and we pick him up on our team? What does he have to do to be able to be on my team? It's that good screen and play defense rebound around fight through screens. Like you just said he don't have to shoot a fucking shot He don't have to dribble the ball at all. Just pass it to me, I'll pass it back. He could be a good corner boy. He can knock down a middie. You're just saying. All right, man.

But the athletic is fucked, man. Canyon, you mentioned difference between skilled sport like tennis, hockey as well. So entire sports world been discussing this topic on first take former hockey player, P.K. Subban, wait in. LeBron James is an absolute freak of an athlete. No one is ever gonna question that, he is. And until I see him on a football field

or any other field, I can't comment of his dominance. But I'll use him as an example because watching him on TV, he's just unbelievable to watch as an athlete, we know that. But there is no question for me that hockey players and playing hockey is the most difficult sport and the toughest sport to play. There's two disciplines in ice skating in the Olympics that you can win an Olympic gold medal. We expect our players to do it as a matter of course. And then it's full contact. So you've got to be fearless as well.

You're getting hit, there's no out of bounds,bounds and you got to fight and by the way our guys there's no game management there's no load management there's none of that they play banged up Stephen a they play hurt they play with broken bones they play with torn legaments I've done it players do it they're still doing it but when you talk about pure athleticism, and I think about the versatility that comes with it, I'ma go the route of the basketball player. I'ma go with Marquis for this, okay?

And it ain't just because of the f**k it's what it is. It ain't just the f**k. Or LeBron on skates. I want LeBron on skates first. Ain't no n***a putting on no skates. Too big. Ain't no n***a putting on no skates going out there to fall.

You gotta learn how to skate first. Then you gotta learn. I went to school up there with them. Moving the stick. Hey, do you wanna play hockey or do cross country? I'm gonna run. That's a different conversation though. We've seen black men have success in hockey. You fall on that ice, you know what, you go out there with the knuckle puck. He is right, it's a different combination of what athlete and what hockey players do, right? Is that, that shit the most difficult

I do believe, like to do concentrate on the puck, you got the fuck sticking your hand, you on skate. You got the fuck, it's just, it's a lot of elements out there motherfucker, right? That you gotta deal with. Motherfucker blaze at the bottom of the suit. Blazer at the bottom. All of that, but it's not an athlete conversation. Like that, for me, that's not a conversation. Would you say hockey is the most difficult sport to play though?

Like, so much? I believe so. I would say so. I mean, there's a lot of sports out there. In comparison to all the other ones. I believe it's the most difficult. You gotta put skates on and skate. I'm not a skater.

And to concentrate on that puck and where it gotta go to get it to where you gotta get to, catching it out the air. And the muscles, you gotta have the push off on the leg, all that push off shit with the skating. That shit, man. And catching the fucking puck, I believe so. Just my personal opinion. You look like you got something on your mind.

It's ice skating with a stick. Pfft. I mean, that is very basic. I'm just saying where was Nancy Kerrigan? Where was, when she hit old girl with that stick, where was her athleticism? The diehard. Where was the tie-hard in athleticism when she was trying to dodge that stick?

They rank eighth, ninth. So did you just say- Ninth. Eighth. Eighth. She hired some dudes to jump on her. Basketball. And that's what the fuck you going with?

Tennis is fifth. Man, get on. Tennis is fifth. Mind if we talk that shit with you? What is number one? Tennis is fifth. According to? Fifth.

Man. Most athletic sport, tennis is five. Hockey is eight. What's number one? Hold on, hold on. According to- Jos man, most athletic sport tennis is five. Hockey is eight. What's number one? Hold on. Hold on. According to your side. Hold on. They got boxing as well. We're not going to skip over that dog. I did not skip over that though. You can't use this woman getting jumped on to prove your fucking point. I think about some dudes. That fucking woman didn't do it. Nick, you didn't do it. That woman didn't do it. So my point. That's what the fuck you asked me. This guy was on a hockey stick by some dudes. That fucking woman didn't do it, nigga. He didn't do it? That woman didn't do it.

So, now we're not finna talk, though. We're not finna do that, girl. We're not finna do that. Okay, move the fuck on then. Yeah, we're not finna do that. Let's move on from the top. This woman getting jumped on by two dudes to prove your fucking point. That's fucking, like, no, no, no, dude.

Come on, man. Ice skating with a stick. No way. No way. Not rolling. No way. No way. No way.

No way. No way. No way. No way. No way. No way. just prove your fucking point. That's fucking like, no, no, no, dude. Come on, man. Ice skating with a stick. No way, no way. Not rolling. Not rolling, not rolling, not rolling, man. He got gymnast over fucking hockey. So can you read the list, please?

It's not athletic conversation about hockey. Toughness, yeah. Toughness is other things other than athleticism. I'm going over what he said, bro. I toughness. Yeah, toughness is other things other than athleticism. I'm going over what he said bro. Okay, cool. We have him come and I disagree with it. Okay, it's not athletic conversation. So I disagree with him too. Okay, so what's the point? John make? I'm responding to him. We are as well. Okay, we are as well. But the point that you was trying to make tennis is fifth cool. Okay

Where does basketball rank in front of them? Okay, cool Who's ranking? Yeah, who's ranking them consensus for the last 50 years cool Whatever they have is that list is cool Is there whatever people per whatever sport somebody played that's the sport that they're going to go with. So whoever's making the list, great. Cool. Somebody took the time out for the last 50, 60, 70, 80 fucking 100 years to make a list on most athletic sports that whatever, how they ever they got to it. Cool. Family. But whoever plays their sport, whatever sport it is, tennis, they're going to go

with their sport, fucking swimming. They're going to go with their sport. Hockey players going to go with their sport, whatever sport it is, tennis, they're going to go with their sport. Fucking swimming, they're going to go with their sport. Hockey players going to go with their sport. But I'm just they're going to believe. But I'm pretty fucked up. So yeah, but I'm just saying, though, they're going to go with their sport. So everybody is biased. Track and field. I think basketball players are more than athletic.

But that's but if I'm real about it, gymnast, this shit is fucking impossible. We're talking about athletic. What's the difference between a basketball player and a track star? So who gets the most work? That's the difference. Soccer. So when does... So how do we get rid of opinion? Isn't that what the expert is?

That's what the people who voted? Everybody has a title to their opinion. So we all had our opinion and then there's a list for the last 50 years. We don't go by this? I don't care about that list That that list don't dictate that's somebody else's opinion you care about that list That list is somebody else's opinion. You're deciding to put above your own Me yeah, that's I take my own list. I Know that that's called an opinion. I'm not going to take their opinion.

I'm going to take my own. Whoever it is, it's cool for them, bruh. That's discrediting their list. That's fine for them. Cool list. However they put it together, great. I got my own list. Yeah, I got my own.

That's what we call opinions. Yeah, and that's what I said. Everybody's entitled to one, Gil. Everybody has their own. And you beat opinions with facts, right? So what are facts? How how is that? How's the list fact how just like any list that's how is that a fact? Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. So are you rolling with that? You're looking at where the fact come from. Yes. What does the fact come from?

You know like you tell like like people who are voting there's a bunch of voters and they all vote Just like anything in life. Oh The seven billion people on the planet? They vote on their opinion, Gil. So you put an opinion and make it into a fact? How? So if I give you a list of 10 things to vote on, right? And all the people vote from their...

Oh, 10 sports. We're talking 10 sports. From their opinion base. Their opinion. So it's 10 sports, right? They vote on their 10 ten list of ten from one through ten on what they think is the most athletic sport, yes or no. Assume that's the way it went. Right? So your list would be your list, right? If we fill the paper

out as them people did, your list would be your list, his list would be your list. Mm-hmm. His this would be his list. Everybody in this room. This would be their list. Mm-hmm If a couple might be the same but more than likely all I'm gonna be different Yeah, and that's so his opinion their opinion his opinion his opinion his opinion So how do you get a fact out a bunch of they put them all together and it's not a penny put them all together and then that's Do you agree with the list? So if if if there's a hundred. They put them all together and then that's how it makes a fact. Do you agree with the list? So if if if there's a hundred people and we're all voting top five of anything Just like there 60 something percent 20 some percent it goes you just tally up the votes of what?

But it's still not an opinion Yeah, because it can't be a few that's why i That's why I'm lost there. It becomes a fact. It becomes a poll of opinions. That turns into a fact. Do you agree with the list, Gil? Or would your list be different? My list? It can't be a fact, because we just did it with the teams

and shit, right? So if 70% of people are rolling with your pick and you don't hit, was it an opinion or a fact that that 70% was gonna hit? It's a fact once it hits. But it don't hit, how is it a fact? Then it's an opinion. Once it hits, it's a fact, right?

Because it hit. There's a result. Fact is fact, there is no swaying fact left or right. When it's fact, it's truth is truth. There's no, if it doesn't hit, it's a result. Fact is fact. There is no swaying fact left or right. When it's fact, it's truth is truth. There's no if it doesn't hit, it's not fact. It becomes fact. There's only fact, bro. Nothing can become a fact.

It can become a fact. If I give my opinion and say OKC is going to win a championship and you say Pacers, that's both our opinion right now. The comes on whoever wins it right isn't that when the fact that's when it becomes a fact right so what's before the fact an opinion and that's what we're talking about we haven't seen if there's there's no fact at the end of our opinions because nobody has come from tennis to play basketball nobody has went from basketball to do all this so there's no fact in what we're talking about it's all opinions from everybody across the

board that's the point so Tiger Woods he's the best athlete okay all right I get it that's his opinion we would we would probably disagree with that I was why very good golfer why because is he's never played basketball? I haven't seen his mini He's never played. He never ran a fucking round in the Football League But he's no different than what he's with everybody else to say, right? It's an opinion that nobody can prove so and the people that's voting just Is irrelevant for what can't be fact?

So we asked the chat for their opinion on this particular topic. We said Wishport on the Jackson for their fact Wishport would have the best athlete 40% the chest at basketball 32 percent said football 22 percent said soccer 5% said tennis well speaking of lists and opinion Ringer recently updated their top 100 NBA players list for this season So according to their site, this list is a year round around the clock ranking of the players making the biggest impact on the league right now. So let's take a look at their current top 20 players in the league this season if we can please.

So they've got Jokic holding down the top spot, followed by SGA in second, Yonison third, Luke in fourth, and Steph in the fifth spot with Ant-Man, Tyrese Halliburton, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, and Jason Tatum rounding out the top ten. Wimby's 11, LeBron 12, then you got ADKD, Kawhi, Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Cat, who we'll talk about a little later in the show, Devin Booker, and Jalen Williams in the top 20. So when you look at this, based list based on the Ringer, their team of writers led by Bill Simmons amongst others.

Are you rolling with the Ringer's top 20 players list this season? This list was just updated, I believe June 4th has been updated periodically throughout the season. Two. I ain't rolling. Who's left out? I don't know who left out but Jalen Brown was just just missed

the top 20 to 21 with the list as is. Okay, what sticks out to you about this list number 14? Mm-hmm. Fuck out of here. Seven seven need to be where a 14 is. So Tyrese Halburn Kevin Durant should fly basically. Or I'm just saying if I would just change that or put him six. Or fifth.

Victor not a top 10 player in the league. Donovan Mitchell not in the top 10 in my opinion. So I'm gonna be real, this was a little confusing to me. Some of these people have dealt with injury, but when you just talk about. Kawhi Leonard is still the top 10 player in this league. I don't give a fuck what nobody say. Went healthy.

Well, and B. And B, we'll talk about in a second, but he finished 84th. Excuse me? But it's a topic we will get to. Cause he didn't finish the season. So this top 20. But neither did Wim season. So this top 20 is this top 20, this upcoming season or the last season? No, this is based on the 2024-25 season.

Like I said, around the clock, updated list, important to be about the ringer. Yeah, just because they got him 84 on the list, yeah. On one leg, he's still top 20. Important to point out, opinion, not fact, the opinion of the ringer of publication. Is Tyrese Maxey better than Hollenburden? Is he the better Tyrese?

We've had that discussion before. Is he the better Zero of them two? Who's the better Zero, Gil? Max or Hollenburden? See, you got the jersey on. And the throwback Pacers jacket, the matching shoes. Oh, different skills. So this is just the end of last year.

So this list was updated early June. We've been updated periodically throughout the course of the season Obviously SGA Tyrese Albert and Jaylen Williams only active players on that list still playing basketball currently this is So they so you finished a full basketball season, but Victor didn't, so it's... Okay in theory, just in theory, because it was this year, right? Wouldn't all first team players be the top 15? That's what you would think. That was 100 person media panel's opinion.

Who would go with that kind of a logic? Who would second team all NBA? Why wouldn't anybody go with that kind of logic? Second team allBA number 12. Can't be. Can't be. Not in the top 10. KD and Bron not in the top 10. Bronnie did not crack the top 100 for the everybody in the chat is asking. That's not, I had just. What was their criteria? Like what was the, what was the, what were they basing off of? Just so according to players this year. According to their site, a year

round, round the clock ranking of the players making the biggest impact on the league. Impact. Biggest impact on the league right now. Impact on the league. So the fuck does that. Brunson should be in front of, Brunson should be up front of Mitchell. What the fuck does that mean? Donovan. The fuck does that Brunson should be in front of Brunson should be up front of Mitchell. What the fuck does that mean? Donovan. Yeah. So all NBA first team this season as a reminder, Yannis, SGA, Joker, Jason Tatum, Donovan Mitchell. I believe those the first four were unanimous elections.

Impact on the league. Second team is Andy and LeBron. Andy Cunningham could be a little bit higher if that's included. He had a good impact this year. Yeah, K did finish in the top 15 amongst the the immediate opinionated. him to be a little bit higher if that's included. He had a good impact this year. Kay did finish in the top 15 amongst the immediate opinion. Evan Booker wouldn't be in there at all. Impact?

Wouldn't Victor be? Jay Williams is not top 20 in the NBA right now, neither. I mean, wouldn't Victor be top five at least when you talk about impact? I want to take Evan Mobley. Off need offense defense. I mean, it's just Cafe is not rolling. I don't want to take Carl out either like Joe. That's over there and hush you Cleveland thing We have multiple we have multiple cash fans in the arena We drop him down so we say an impact on the we talking about in drop him down the 20

impact on the season? On the NBA season, that's what I said. It's weird why like. As much as I talk shit about Jai Morant, they ain't got Jai on this list. Like where is Jai ranked on this? So if you look at Halle's trajectory, he was ranked 26th in January, 19th at the end of February. Then 16th, in the end of February, 16th, 19th, now 7th. So you can click on any of the players on their list interactive So the whole I line Hawaii top here team is most of the season so he didn't impact his team

No, then it would have been Harden Harden finished. I believe 30th on this list a ego how to a D but a guy who's 15 wasn't even a part of the team success and Early on but once he came back he did help guide them to the playoffs. Another guy 15 spots behind him. Who did all the heavy lifting. Yes, 15 spots.

That's crazy. Wouldn't Embiid be top 10 then? Embiid 84th? No, what I'm saying wouldn't he be top 10 because obviously he didn't play. So we've seen what that season looked like. Yeah. That's impact. Yes.

Yes, for sure. 1000%. We think the sixer season would have been better had it been played more. I'm just asking. And the league. The league is a hole. No, no, no.

That there would be a fact, Josiah. Okay. If Joel Embiid played fucking 60 games for the Philadelphia Sevens, they would have a better see okay. That is a fatty and I would agree with that Cunningham like where his team was like that's I'm saying this should be higher It's hard because you this is the wording that they use So you're not saying the best players is most impactful for the whole scene for the whole season Then why wouldn't Cade be a bit from what he did last year this year?

Evan Nobly and Donovan Mitchell from their season to this season. I mean, if that's how they're doing it, I guess. And your father would have sons be in there. Right. If you talk about it, you can't not keep that. It's just a contradicting list on what happened this year Yeah, look at the second MVP. He met the best record in the league. I would say that I mean I mean you had the best record last year. So you want to put him second. Oh, okay But Nicole, I did have the triple though. He did

so Yeah, first five first five five motherfuckers are still. I don't think anybody's complaining about. What about Ant Ant? You find with Luca being in there, do you feel like he was impactful this year? What was Ant Ant? Yeah.

I don't know. He shouldn't have been. Cause we're thinking like who's the best five versus most impactful for the season. Yeah, I'm thinking basketball. They not. Yeah, yeah. Jalen Brunson, you know, he can go up higher. He can go eight,

seven. Yeah, I'm thinking about like for the season, Cade, Wimby. Cat. I mean, we we see what he is on the defensive end when he's in where they look when he's not playing. So, those are impact to your season. All right, well, let's talk a little bit more in-beat. So questionable rankings on the list, the name of the most notable, Joel Embiid, was ranked 84th, Nuggets win Christian Brown, a spot ahead of him at 83rd.

Processes teammate Paul George also barely made the cut getting ranked 90th, which is one spot behind sixth man of the year Peyton Pritchard So should Embiid and PG feel disrespected getting ranked as the 84th and 90th best players in the league this season? Because it's coming from people they ain't never played the game so no so the opinion is To them should mean shit. So, but yeah, no, they were injured. Who cares? They know what they are when they're healthy. I know, yeah, they know what they are when they're healthy.

So I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. I don't care which one you do impactful who's better there's no way that there's 83 people more impactful or better than Jordan B. I mean so yeah he can complain because even if you put him in the top 20, no one's gonna be like why is he there? No matter how you look at this list, his impact on one leg, one bad foot is still more impactful than 50% of the people that's actually in front of him. Right, Christian Brown's best game, his best game for the season, Joel Embiid will get booed for. They'll boo that man. He scored 25, 88, Joel, aw man, look, he ain't even come play today. Boo. He's washed. And that's really.

Yeah. So this is, this is the same thing when Cole was ranked. This is that same type of place that impactful bullshit. They just make up. Now going when you, when you just look at the list and you got, you see a name like you just scan it, right? Look at the top ten and you just scan the list and you see a name that don't belong somewhere and you ball the paper up and throw that motherfucker. You only pay that shit.

That's what I do. They got who? Who number four? Just now, right? I looked up there, you got Kevin Durant. Your list shipped to me from that point on. Whoever you got in front of him is what it is, but the fact that you got him there,

not serious. I can't take you serious. Then the fact that you got Joel Embiid, I didn't even get to 84. I had a person that didn't even get to 83 and 84. I had to scroll very far down the list. So the fact that you got K. So I was like, I can't. I don't think anyone can name first and last name 83 motherfucking players.

First and last. First and last. I mean, we had to actually do this. First thing, last thing. I mean, if we had to actually do this, Joel and B will be somewhere in the top 15 to 20. That means there's 60 people. We would have to sit there and just be like, oh, what about him? What's that nigga that playing with? We'll knock that bitch out.

Average person, not a chance. Nah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, what you say? But I wouldn't be calling Joel and beat 80-something. Hell no. That's easy. That's a layer. You get him off the list. One thing we're going to do is we're going to start with every team. When you get to 84, that's when you start struggling.

That's when you start struggling. When you get to 84, that's when you start struggling. When you get to 84, right? You got to, uh, okay, him in 85. What if, what? When you get that before that's when you start struggling There's gonna be bitch dude Be in the top 40. We know him. When you talk about impact, you looking at B not being there and seeing how trash the Sixers were,

and that highlights and exemplifies the impact that he has for that team. At least he didn't have any of his teammates ahead of him. Well. No, no, no, I'm pretty sure Max is somewhere. Max is going to be on that list. He like, he got to be up there top How to be top?

39 39 Tyrese maxi 39th on the 38 just where is Derek watch? There are quite 38 Tyrese maxi 39 Paul George is 90th. Okay, who's 37? So they got they got Paul and and in B I mean the way for no no the way is Franz Wagner the way Paul played this year Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure he's gonna be like trying to get a race out Okay night for the season Then you gotta go with that. At least I'm on this. At least I'm on this bitch. Shit.

They ain't forget about me. The ones you don't wanna be is that 350, 355. That's where you just be like, you know what? Just stop this bitch at 100. Top 100. I don't wanna know past 150. I'm at the 101st player on the list. 101st player like damn.

Are you just saying my name? Because I know at this point you didn't put no detail into it. You just looking at the list name. Kyrie Irving, 44th on the list too, if you guys are interested. It has nothing to do with this. I don't care about it. I'm cool. Wait, 44th?

Off of how he was playing? Wait. Yeah, he was playing good. Up until he got hurt. That's what I'm saying. Like, did we? That's what they did. They ain't watching basketball.

Weird. 25, five and five. Like, wait. They ain't watching basketball. I still. They ain't watching basketball, bro. 25, five and five. Holding the. They ain't watching basketball, bro. 25, five and five, holding the team down. They don't like them.

And Luca missed what, 25 games early in the season? There's some trouble for Lakers as well. So we asked the chat, is 84th and 90th a fair ranking for Embiid and PG? 48% of the chat says yes, 52% of the chat says no. So you put them together, so. Yeah. The yes is for Paul George.

We're uplifting. Yeah, you put them together. Nah, y'all did wrong. We had a club together. Ron and Bronny. Swap them together like that. The Bron and Bronny be top 12, the chat, 97% say yes. So today's podcast is sponsored by Rough Greens. Sometimes in

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Hold on one second Making its first appearance in the arena may recognize them as a finalist from the first season of rhythm and flow on Netflix Going on to make moves in the music game with an assortment of freestyle singles mixtapes and albums Please welcome rapper independent artists artist, Flawless Real Talk to the arena. Yeah, we're locked in. What up, what up? That's good, that's good. Been eating beans all his life. Locked in. What's up?

What's up, bro? See you, family. Yo, what's up? What's up, brother? Appreciate you. Good to see yall, what's up? What's up, brother? Appreciate you. Thank you, man. Good to see y'all. Y'all made me feel a little damn good. Yeah! You is.

You always like, y'all, y'all, you is. Sit up, you feel it. Sit up straight. Sit up straight up in here. Yeah. We'll get him a lot of cheer, man. But those of y'all know,

you're supposed to be on the show a while back, but it's been an unfortunate day here in the arena. Glad to have you, man. Glad to see it all. Glad to see it all. That was toasty. That was toasty. That's when young fellas trying to cook themselves in the car. Toasty?

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But Flawz, we appreciate you pulling up. Thanks for having me man, thanks for having me. First of all, I just want to know, how's your life changed since being on Rhythm and Flow? It just made me more international, internationally known in the music world, allowed me to maintain my independence, more importantly because I was an independent artist coming up my whole life and building my own fan base. So the Netflix thing really catapulted me into a different stratosphere and allowed

me to basically run my career like a business and start to really catapult myself independently and ownership is key for me in this music world, obviously with so many artists so many artists, you know, getting screwed over and not being able to own their masters and stuff like that. I learned coming up and decided to maintain my independence and that's why we're here, man. We're just rocking one day at a time. For sure, bro. So from Rhode Island, smallest US state by size, traditionally known as the hip hop hotbed.

How'd you get into the rap game and when did you know that you could do something special? Early on, you know, just using music as a coping mechanism, you know what I mean, to get my emotions out, get my thoughts out on how my life was going. Living in Rhode Island, a smaller state from the hood, you know what I mean, we didn't really have many opportunities. I had a difficult life growing up, as I'm sure many people have. I just used music as a coping mechanism and decided to start taking off with it. I moved to Atlanta when I was 18 because I knew that being in Rhode Island I wasn't really

going to get many opportunities. So I moved down there to really start jumping in all the contests and all the competitions and killing all the rappers in the freestyle battles and doing everything I needed to do to just get myself in a position to just kind of get to that next step. I won a lot of competitions down there. I got an opportunity to open for Tech N9ne. He's an independent artist as well.

Big independent artist. I learned about the touring game through him and how to really get it out here without necessarily needing a record deal or being on the radio. So that's how I kind of modeled my career after. It's just independence, building things one day at a time, keeping the ownership and just kind of seeing where I am in life and kind of using my music as a gateway for other people with mental health and changing my content as I grow as a person. You know, because early on I was about like freestyle battles and killing rappers and now I'm more about spreading a message and uplifting and mental health and stuff that people can play in the gym.

You know, I also make music for God. So it's like a lot of different things that I do now that I did different from before because of my growth and my elevation. I don't think I would be able to do that if I wasn't independent. For sure. You talk about the freestyle battle rapping, having to do that if I wasn't independent. For sure. You talk about the freestyle battle rapping, having to kill rappers. We all saw Rhythm and Flow. Yeah.

I thought what you did to Beenz. But how do you just maintain, keep your cool when you got a rapper on the other side throwing shots at you, dissing you, trying to disrespect you? Man, sometimes I do wish I did take a deal because that Kendrick and Drake battle was something else. You know what I mean? When you got skills, you know, when you got the talent to do something, but you don't have the recognition or the level of fame that they have, I can't really jump into that wall.

But I know I'll definitely hold my own in that. I love it. I love the competition, the competitiveness. It's just like basketball. We just saw Michael Beasley and Stevenson go one on one. Even the NBA is competitive, you know what I mean, with the one on ones and matchups. It correlates the same with sports.

It's a very competitive sport. basketball? Oh, is that the biggest deciding factor, right? Keep your independence or going with a big label to be pushed, right? Because when you're talking about just talent, skill, style, if you're not being pushed to be the Kendrick and Drake, how does that play against the mind where you know you're good, you can do all of that, but because of the independence, you know how sneaky they are up there.

Yeah. Like. It obviously does play with the ego, right? Cause we all have egos, we all know what we can do and what we're capable of. And it definitely does play on that when you know you could be at a certain level, but for me,

freedom and my ability to control my schedule, you know, I have two small boys, you know what I mean? I'm real big on being present for my family. So like, I take that into account too. Like, you know what I mean? Being able to have my freedom to own my music, to make all of the money, opposed to 10% of the money that comes in. You know what I mean? Drake is a great example. Like, he's an anomaly because he generated $4 billion before he got really paid out what he made. You know what I mean? So when you think about it like that, when you're on a label or somebody like him and

you generate $4 billion, even if you have $40 million, you might be like, damn, I still need a little bit more of that track, you know what I mean? So for me, my freedom, being able to be there for my family and control my own schedule, the ownership, it was a better option for me, you know what I mean, and where I am in life. But it definitely does play on the ego, knowing you could be there. Let me ask you this. So I've been in music for 20 years. It definitely does play on the ego, knowing you could be there. Let me ask you this.

So, I've been in music for 20 years. Yeah, I see you dropping music videos on Instagram. I'm like, okay. I see you getting busy. But when I work with artists, I ask them two questions. It's two-fold question about independence and also having the machine. So you ask the artist,

what are you in this for? Yeah. Do you want to be famous and make a lot of money? Or do you want to be legendary? And the difference is, you go for the money. You can be a one hit wonder. You can come in. Everybody praise your name, and then you're out.

You disappear. Yeah, you're at the mercy of the people that control on you in your career. And then your legacy play is, I'm not out here making music for the clout. I'm making art. And it's being appreciated by the up top. So the machine I need, they'll give it to me

and let me keep my independence because I'm on a different path. I'm not just out here chasing the bread and a lot of artists are chasing the bread. So what do you think about the difference between legend and status? I think they can both be one and the same. I think if you can achieve legendary status

at an independent level, you know, that's really, really doing something opposed to reaching legendary status like somebody who has the machine. Who has? You know what I mean? Slim Thug. A lot of down south rappers have gone platinum, you know, independently. Rasta P still had, he did a...

Universe. Yeah, he had a part in it. He did a 90-10. Yeah, 90-10. That's the best deal. Let's go a little more recent, right? Somebody like Russ. Yeah? Russ is independent. You know what I mean? Doing it at a grand scale.

But he's spending. Yeah, you gotta spend though. You gotta spend. He's spending big. But he knows that the ROI is high. If you're spending big though, you're making big. If you're spending 50,000 on a market, you gotta be making big. He's not taking the advance from the label either. He's coming out of his own pocket, so he recruits.

But you gotta have that. That's coming out of his own pocket so he recruits. But you gotta have that. And that's why I asked the artist up front, which one you wanna do? Me personally, I go with personal investors. Because you go and you find investors that are willing to invest in your dream, that believe in what you're doing. And that's how I've been able to get further is through investors. Shout out to Vinny, my partner, my business partner, and being able to get that capital

to get to that next step. Legendary status is something that is self-proclaimed in a sense when you're independent because you don't really get all that recognition. But for me, it's not really in my vision to be legendary status. It's in my vision to just maintain a business at this point and grow every single day. Just like this, Gills and Peele is growing every single day, you guys. It's past a million subscribers. You keep it going.

We did do that. That bag is right around the corner. Hopefully. We are looking for it. More of the traditional way, way back when you're basically selling CDs out of your car, going up to the radio, paying him to put your shit on. How do you get through all of that? It's relationships.

I got this point. It's all relationships. Cause it's changed. Cause everything's changed. Cause I know. Cause a lot of DJs do clubs and strip clubs and places. So you go there where they accessible, right? Everything's political.

And then they- Yeah, that's the point. Give them a couple hundred. Yeah, they... See that's the point. Give them a couple hundred. Yeah, you gotta give them a couple hundred. Couple hundred dollars. Throw this on. Listen, you get your music playing in certain environments, it's gonna...

No, it's a fact. And you make the wrong person mad, you ain't gonna get nothing, please. You ain't gonna move out. So is it best to just have, as an independent artist, like a street team more extent where like you... That's more important. I'm paying a stripper at the strip club to come out to my songs. Yes.

Absolutely. Right? You know what I mean? Come out and get everybody. You might, I done bought DJ's pair of sneakers. Show up with a pair of Jordan's. Hey, what's up man? How you doing?

Yeah, no, it's that. Just want to show you some love. Stuff like that. That's more important, especially like, TikTok. Because I guess, you know, you pay TikTokers now, you can... Now with digital, we talking about back in the days, you know what I mean? We was really outside with it. But it's still the same.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. This shit fire as hell. I'ma play it again if you got another 200. I'll play it all the way. That $120 going a long way, bro. Hell yeah. People are all, with every, Nah, it's $2,000.

With every, now it's two grand now, but it used to be that, that 100. Now it's, yeah, absolutely now. Nah, it's $2,000 now, but it used to be that $100,000. Yeah, absolutely. That used to go a long way. Long way. Now that $1,000, you give them this and... Yeah, that relationship's not important when you're doing this. It's big because you could, like I said, piss off the wrong person and you ain't getting nothing.

You ain't getting... They got the relationship as well, right? They can... They got their relationship. They got their relationship. I didn't go to the parties. I wasn't at the. You didn't get the network.

I wasn't at the parties. Maybe that's why I didn't get a deal. I wasn't at the parties. I wasn't looped up. Well, I don't think you want it. I don't think you want it. I don't know. I don't know.

Some things are not worth it. But Flau, you're a basketball fan too, right? The kids don't work your sleeper, man. I see Gil rocking the Pacers today, I don't know what we're doing. Who's your squad? My squad, I like the Lakers. I'm a little baller fan. You know, Luca all day.

You know what I'm saying? Hey, play Flau's music right now, please. Go ahead, play it on. Luca all day. We're going to get right. We're going to get right. We're going to get a big. We're going to be in there.

Let's do bad luck This is a yellow Gap up in front of me. It was a Fuck is wrong with you niggas Already know what you are No, you know what no he didn't tell us all this shit before right? He had all this shit. We did How do you? We we all know his favorite He didn't tell us all this shit before, right? So he hid all this shit we did last time. How do you listen to him all day?

We all know his favorite team. This one right here, no, the one in the middle. We know who his favorite team is. Rashaad, who is your favorite team right now? Me. No, don't say right now. Me. Who's your favorite team?

Me. My favorite NBA basketball team. Money-making Sonny. In the last 20 years, who's his favorite team for the last? Money making Sonny. Who's your favorite team in the last 20 years? Who's your favorite team? The Yankees. Oh. Well, who's your favorite basketball team currently?

Currently. Oh, yeah. Indiana Fever. On the men's side. Oh. Men's National Basketball Association. I might start liking the first though. You with the Pacers right now?

Pacers and stuff. So you're not a big fan no more? I thought you was team Whitby. I am. Right now. Game seven, Pacers. After that, we're free agents. I'm going for the Pacers too.

I want the Pacers to win. I think Halliburton though, he need to get more aggressive. No Fritos this entire series. Wild. Talk-hmm. Why talk about it? I'm free though. No some basketball, you know You didn't sing man, what the fuck else do you need to do? Because that's damn so one you ain't get no No free throws, so we're gonna talk Hallie and the Pacers in a little bit

We got to talk about some other situations going on. So Kyrie Irving has had enough of the disrespect that fellow New Jersey native, Carl Anthony Towns, has been getting from the basketball community, including some in the sports media as well. So Ky, seeing the memes and commentary, spit up for Kat. Stop making fun of my brother Kat. It's over for that.

It's a fucking rap. I'm letting y'all know if you repost that shit again, or you meme him up. I'm attacking you. Not like that physically in GTA, but I'm attacking you. Alright, I'm attacking you. Y'all gotta leave Kat alone, okay? Because y'all don't know what it's like to grow up in Jersey and have all of these cultures that you're a part of, trust me on that. Jersey is literally 130 miles long. It is very, very small state.

But when I get back to my point, I'm gonna explain this to you, but I'm just saying leave him alone, all right? Leave our Jersey, like because he's Dominican, he's black. He grew up in, you know, a certain area in Jersey, just like me, and you got to survive out here. And you have many different demographics of people. So you got to survive out here.

I don't agree all the time when he be changing up his tone sometimes. I don't always agree in all that shit. You know what I mean? That should be funny. But on a serious note, he is a man. He's my brother. And I protect him all the time.

Yeah, there have been a lot of people coming at Kat, fans, people in the media, people said he built like a WNBA player. Old bitch. A whole effing keyword. I'm listening and I'm laughing inside because... You're smiling on the outside too. He was like, yeah, you know, he got to, you know, do this to survive. And I'm just like, but that sounds like He was like, yeah, you know, he got to do this to survive. And I'm just like, but that sounds like jail.

Like, yeah, you know. He had to do a couple of things and then just to survive. That's all over. Wait, wait, God. What the fuck did he have to do? Wait, no, that's not how you're supposed to do it. You don't know about life in New Jersey. Like Jersey, you know, he had to survive these streets.

The Garden State, huh? Telling us that we don't What's going on? He don't gotta take up for no grown man. He's out on him. You ain't gotta take up for no grown man, bro Let that man live You think he's gonna stay in new york long? Because I heard people were complaining about the way he plays defense and things of that nature Yeah, gills has some thoughts. I have a problem with his defense For sure, would you trade him for your honest yeah okay I mean how old is he he's got a 30 he's 30 cat 30 right now 29 years old 30 November 15th okay yeahth. Yeah, he's basically 30.

Okay, yeah, I would trade him too. But does Kyrie have a point saying the cat slander is going too far? He did acknowledge that when he switches tones up sometime. You don't find that to be? It's not going too far. The reason it's not going too far because- You're seeing what's going on on the internet right now.

No, but that's why it's not going too far because we're just picking it. We're just making fun of it. Right, we're just trolling them. It's no different than when Chris Bosh was doing it hey oh yeah what are you doing what are you actually played to the camera doing the dumps and the camera looking at me gotcha now he'll start doing that this one is like we're going out yes we're going out of our way to to sit there and poke but that's all

it is it's just it's fun. Is it passing the part of fun and being mean-spirited? I mean we've seen some of the AI stuff we've seen some what are we in third grade coming out. Third grade teachers saying you're being mean-spirited. We've seen the video with him doing the makeup. Was that tattoo real that they put on that man? He was doing magic. I'ma just be honest with you. The AI generated video of him. No, no. Seeing him at the airport was double packed up,

going through the security checkpoint. That's all AI shit, man. Okay, but there's only AI with respect. Just don't be sensitive. Man, this ain't got nothing. The best thing about, I mean, the funny thing about it is, most of us thought it was real.

It just made sense, right? Yeah, that's cat. I mean, it'll be okay. That day with a couple of thought tattoos. It just made sense, right? Yeah, that's Kat. I mean, it'll be over... I had that with a couple of thigh tattoos. It'll be over in three weeks. I mean, definitely, it didn't last two, three weeks. Get the twerking, you know? No, it's just...

It's... You know what, do a vote. Do we think Kat has thigh tattoos? Just singular. Just one. Just one. Not the full leg, just one. just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one,

just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, just one, of the old saying like you get somebody inch they gonna take a mile right it's it's that right he's given whatever the material is during an interview or during a game or whatever it is there's something so now people it's just like a fucking microscope now right he's on a microscope now everybody's looking for the next cat meme or the next for him to do something, right? So they want to be the first one to put it out. So now he's reached that status

to where people trying to create the next meme. Josiah. Welcome to New York. I don't do cat memes. Memes and nightmares. I don't do cat memes. Memes and nightmares. Memes and nightmares, but I'm just saying though.

I know, but I talk about that. People looking out for the next one. So that's what it is nowadays. So it's unfortunate. It's just like when JaVale was playing, the shack and the fool. So it's, if you keep giving people material, they're gonna keep making shit, do shit.

So that's just what it is. So hopefully, or not hopefully, this might make him more mindful of his mannerisms and certain things he do Not to give people the material to fuck with him But if this is part of his purple is gonna continue to happen and even Kyrie acknowledged that some of the tone But all that and those type of things You know, he can't change but Kyrie said it was funny. He just keeps doing is There's no reason to acknowledge it if he don't

find it to be a problem. It's not a problem for him. I'm pretty sure he's. If it is, then he should address it. I don't need nobody else speaking for me telling me nothing. One, two, man, if I got a problem, I'm going to address it. That's two.

Three, hey, man, look, the shit is funny. Y'all keep putting me out there. I love it. I love it. That has to be the best. Just funny. Y'all keep putting me out there. I love it. I love it. Just don't overstep. Just don't overstep when you see me in public. Cause y'all gonna hit me with the zesty shit and double kick the, hey listen.

Double kick the baby. Y'all hit me with that shit if y'all want to. You know what I'm saying? Wedding cake. But at the same time, like what we were saying yesterday, sticks and stones, all that kind of shit. Be tough minded, know that this comes with the fucking territory man motherfuckers Go they gonna get you like Kai like cars he on stream

Does that this kind doing that help her her cat cuz I feel like you're saying it don't help now We see when you acknowledge it. It just makes it work. You're trying to tell me you're gonna attack me for attacking him Bet now get Kyrie Irvin talking to me what the fuck is wrong with you bro you serious yeah we don't troll the fuck out of you and cat now let's get it they don't understand the stream universe you don't play into that shit you ignore it you got to keep it moving but is all the zesty talk going a little bit overboard why no is he talking so funny he's zesty? But what's so funny is he's Zesty,

but it's not like nobody's put him in the LGBT community. But Zesty's not a bad thing. Everybody's different. I mean, it's too different. That's why you gotta look how it's played. We know he has a girlfriend. We know who his girlfriend is. We know that's it.

We just making fun of how he moves. That's it. We're not talking about his game. We know he balls. We just, these little of how he moves. That's it, we're not talking about his game, right? We know he balls, that's not, we just, these little things, the little passing. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all kids.

That's it, that's it. That's it. That's it, yeah. I mean, we're not doing that to Brunson, because that's how we're gonna have those moments. No, but honestly, they are doing it to Brunson too. Pretty much anybody on the internet, you know, they say you they like a stud Yeah, it was Mero. Yeah, it was Mero. Yeah, it was Mero. We laughed at it. You laughed at it. You laughed at it.

Crazy. I just heard you. I'm drunk. That shit had me crying, bro. You said it looked like a strong stud. A strong stud. Then you look at it like, damn. Yeah.

We're trying to watch the game, bro. Like, all you need is a plaid little collar shirt. You good. Maybe some teals. But any NBA player, you have a bad game, they will find your comp on the internet and that will become the main. Shit man, listen man, we trying to enjoy.

Shit is funny, right? I mean, that's the best way to do it is just have fun with it. I mean. Clap back, clap back. Everybody got jokes now, that's the funny part about life. I think that's why he was trying to sound New York though. Yeah.

You know, have a great game. Yeah, come down to the Dik life. I think that's why he was trying to sound New York though. Yeah. Yeah, you know, have a great game. Come down to the Dykeman. Come down here to Rucka Park. Rucka Park. Rucka Park. You know what I'm saying? No, he used Rucka, I thought he used Dykeman.

Did he say Dykeman? I don't know. No, he said Dykeman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They go to the Dykeman, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, damn, dog. It's Dominican grandmother's birthday today. Yeah.

Or Dominican grandmother's day today. But he talking to people. He talking to the people. Like how you from New York didn't sell New York this is the bad boy when he's in New York cause I'm proud of him. When he's trying to change his now everybody getting on that. He can't win man. He can't win man. We just picking you all right you can't if we can't we're just picking you bro. That's it. Just let it go I just get you 25 and 10 win your championship He's saying you're gonna be paying attention how you hold the trophy

You we know you want a championship you start pouring a drink on you we gonna laugh no one is there from Internet slander I believe is the moral of this but let's keep thing moving, talk a little bit more about the Knicks. So after leading the Knicks in their first conference finals appearance of 25 years, Tom Thibodeau looking for a job. But the former Knicks coach took some time to thank his former team, coaches and fans with an ad in the New York Times, which he also posted on his recently created Twitter account. So let's take a look at what Thibs had to say.

He said, to the best city in the world with the best fans in the world, thank you. When I was hired in 2020, I said this was my dream job. I'm grateful that dreams became a reality. Thank you to our players and coaching staff who gave everything they had and to everyone who makes this franchise special. Proud of everything we accomplished together, including four playoff appearances in this year's round of the EFRA conference finals, our first in 25 years. And to the fans, thank you for believing in me and embracing me from day one. Watch you support our team and seeing the garden ignite with that incomparable Knicks energy is something I will never forget.

So it should be pointed out that Ted's message did not contain any direct mentions of owner James Dolan or the front office led by Leon Rose. But do you respect Tibbs classy gesture after getting fired by the Knicks? That's why they hired him in the first place. Good dude. Had a good run. Thinking the city and the fans is not the team, right? I mean, you hear me say team. The players, I'm saying, but the ownership in. Oh yeah. It's not them, I'm saying. The players, the fans, and the people of New York are not those individuals. So yeah, no, it was, wouldn't expect anything different from a good run you had in that kind of a city.

And the love that he probably received in the streets from the fans before they lost was probably unmatched. It seemed like, man is even coaches fired. You know, the narrative of he didn't trust his bench, he's playing his guys too hard, when they did lose a game, right, oh, it's because they're tired. Like the narrative of he didn't trust the rest of his bench is more of what got him looked at in a disrespectful way and nobody really thought about like the totality of what he did for the season right how he did play this small roster and what he did

last year without without a healthy team and then what he did this year. So, I mean, he is a winning coach. He knows how to win. He's proved it. Right, it might be not, it might not be the style that you like that he's trusting 10, 15 people, but you know, the people that he do put out there understand their job and duty and they're winning with it.

So I'm pretty sure he'd get another job. Yeah Yeah I'm thinking I would probably get another job. We talked about him the couch from the firing first went down but after all the good he did in New York helping revitalize the franchise first Eastern Conference finals appearance in 25 years are we so sure still that the Knicks should have parted ways with TIPS? Well so this is my thing, we don't know the conversations that's had between head coach and front office, right? I don't know if I told y'all this before, but I think I have.

I was in New York when they fired Fisdale, right? I was in the building about to meet with them about a job when they fired this man. Man conducted practice, fired this man right after practice, right? Let this man talk to the media and fired him. And I saw it go across the bottom line on ESPN. Like, oh shit, they, whoa, right?

So decisions are made that Dolan and, for not like, it's just what they're doing, right? They're making these decisions and whether you have success or not, it doesn't calculate for them, I don't think. Conversations they've had on playing certain guys, not playing these guys, we don't know, right? Tips might have been like, this is the way I'm gonna do it, and you're gonna fire me either way it goes, so I'm gonna do it my way.

And I think he is that kind of a guy, he's gonna stand on what's been successful for him. And that might be what cost him his job, I think, ultimately. I think if you fire somebody like him, you gotta have somebody else lined up. You might want to hire. Oh, they don't. They don't.

We're gonna talk about that in the next. That's what I'm saying, like high side. You gotta have. Well, let me say you gotta, right? Because I think that you're right, the narrative is, look at the Denver coach, Mike Malone. Going, right? These are good coaches.

And they just firing these coaches left and right. Because they stuck in, they've been successful a certain way. When you're asking me to deviate from that, it's tough for them dudes, right? They've been built on a certain kind of thing and they're not going, so I'm not one of these young coaches,

Mike Malone got a championship, Tom Thibodeau didn't have good runs, so you're not going, I know what I need to do to be successful as a coach, right? So as Michael Malone proved it, and Tom Thibodeau proved it, you're gonna fire me anyway. So I might as well do it my way.

Yeah. Told Mike what's in this. Right on the wall, bruh. You might as well play who the fuck you wanna play, dawg. Well, right in his office and told him that. How much time do we give him? Who? A coach.

Which coach? So 10, five seasons with the next brother. It just depends on, to do we give him? Who? A coach. Which coach? So, tip five season with the next coach. It just depends on to do what though? So, it depends? No, no, no, no, no, everybody not trying to win. I know that. Everybody not trying to win championships. I'm not trying to place the conversation in a certain position. I'm trying to understand how long do you got?

How long do you got? We hired you in 2020. It's 2025. When you was with Chicago. How long do you got? How long do you got? We hired you at 2020. It's 2025. You was with Chicago. How long do you have? Where's the program? Where's your team? Like what if I said you're going to have me for five years? What are you expecting? I'm pretty sure there's nobody in the Knicks organization to say these conference finals in five years. I'm gonna give y'all their all championship. I know the timeline. I'm gonna tell you why this is important 2020. Leon Rose, William Wesley came in for the Knicks front office. They took over immediately.

Who did they hire? Tom Thibodeau. That was their guy that they wanted to choose to build around. They just fired him. Tom's up. Okay, Tom's up Tom. So five years. Five years. And could it have been last year? See. Maybe. But I'm I'm saying. This is the thing, right? When

you are trending, right? A certain direction. And you haven't won in since ninth, you haven't won in, Lord, since, you haven't won a championship since 1973. And you've been shuffling coaches in and out of that place. Consistently. Since I was in the NBA until now. My 15 years, I've been out there for 10 years, it's been a long time. You have a guy that you know what he built on and what he needs in order to be successful.

He's proven it to you, what he needs for his roster to be successful. And to your point, like, y'all let this narrative get in the way of that success. Like Eastern Conference Final, like y'all a piece away or a trust away from, like this is what you are, you're away from, like this. So now you out here trying to poach other teams' coaches. You know why?

Right, now you trying to ask for permission to interview these people. When you had a successful guy. But you just beat the Celtics, make the first team. One of the guys in one of the 25 years. Their decision making is coming from this guy is making the wrong mistakes.

We got the team, We got the pieces. Look at what he's doing in crunch time. Look at the decisions he's making as a coach. Look at the defensive situations, the strategy, everything he's doing. I know they're upstairs. They're like, the players in the coaches, the assistant coaches, are complaining about him not

adjusting. That's like Doc Rivers. You refuse to adjust, and we keep telling you to adjust, and you don't want to listen to us. We gave you five years and now we lost this situation because the team just ain't buying in no more like they used to. We need some fresh blood in here. How do you feel about getting a coach that just got fired from another team? That's the Mike Malone shit. Yeah, like how does that, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know he ain't think about it.

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? We got better players over here. You know what I mean? We got better players over here. Different outriders. We got better rules over here. We hard.

No! Is it that easy? Yeah, man. Fuck! Like getting a new girl, man. Yo, he left me with the phone over here. The phone over here. You know what, girl, why? Yeah, he left you with the phone over here. The phone over here. You don't care why.

Yeah. You available? Yeah. Hey. I got why you got the old thing. One man's trash. Another man's trash. I'm coming back.

So hey, he don't care why you got fired. We're going to see how this thing work over here. It's a weird thing that's going on. And a lot of coaches will be getting fired. It's trending because it's, they're bumping head with nerds. They're not bumping heads with basketball knowledge. Right? So you got a Tibbs, like a Malone, where the people above that's telling him,

this is who they need to put, they're going off analytics. It's the analytics, the business people that came into the game and said, hey, we need to shoot more threes, we need to shoot 43s, 53s again, because this is how it's done. This is, and he's sitting there like, hey man, I'm trying to coach my team. I don't care what Boston is doing. I don't I don't have Boston's team. I have this team I'm trying to go and that's where this big feud is going It's the analytic people that's upstairs trying to tell these coaches how to coach the team

Mmm, and that's that's the real problem the people who say you're hired or fired They're not in it for basketball. They're just looking at a piece of paper that's telling you. But there's, is Tim's the most successful coach since Pat Riley? Yes. In New York? He's our conference host for 25 years.

Back to back 51 seasons, right? Back to back for the first time. Pat Riley didn't get fired, right? He left. I think he got traded to heat Heat, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, he got traded. You could trade a coach? Because he wanted to go, right?

Took the president a job with the Heat. So he, so he, I never knew you could trade a coach. Like, I'm trying to figure out where this, Nix, where do you go from here? What is, what is the expectations on the next guy who's coming in? So let's get to that. Let's get to that point So we asked the chat will Nick's regret firing tips 65% of the chest says yes

So next are active in their coaching search right now so far leaving much to be desired So New York requested interviews with Rockets coach Emea Adoka a wolf coach Chris Finch and mass coach Jason kid Each of those requests were denied by the team those Doing I know they do I love it I love it they shake you sit up they're trying to shake you but all the gentlemen under contract with their don't matter no we can trade for the coach but just calling just calling fucking when people like yeah none of them so they asked so Jason Kidd was speculated to be their top candidate

They asked the mass for an interview with Jason kid mass said no. Thank you Nico said no We already made one trade we get they call call Chauncey up over there in Portland and get Chauncey over in New York He might have some better success So question are the Knicks playing themselves with all these rejections in their culture, sir? These rejections are extremely public.

Yes. Yeah, they play, they've, they've, they play themselves and they're playing themselves some more because they're missing one element and they're missing the fan base of the Knicks. And what happens when you get a new coach next year and y'all start off bad? Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

You really think the New York fan base that's been watching winning, that's been watching winning for the last few years and got excited about basketball Is gonna sit back and let that team start back. They're gonna blame the coach the coach himself They're not gonna pay attention to like the East got better and everybody got no they go. What are we doing? This is what we was doing with teams. Let's see. It is it Boom mother fucker just they're gonna boot a team

But nothing changes because it's still New York and they still gonna show up. They still gonna believe in green. They gonna show up and boo. They paid their money, they gonna boo with this. New York fans been New York fans, regardless who the coach is. But Knicks fans turned up the last two seasons. We saw it this year, taking over Seventh Avenue, attacking Tyrese Halliburton fans on the street. It's a progression.

Climbing billboards. Grass ain't always greener. But when you lose and you come up short, the fans are just as mad. If you come up short and then you not get to the... Yeah, but now the expectation is there. You better get to that. With Tater missing most of next year too, they got to make it there again. The expectation was there in 1999.

Yeah. Okay. So you talking about 20 years before they... expectation was there before. They ain't go riot the streets for 20 years. They just like we the Knicks. Fuck it. We just can't get there. No they just kept firing every coach ever since. Fuck. Can't get there. This is nothing but another little step in being a New York Knicks. But if you get this next coach like he's saying and they do do something, they up there and they do do something. The only way to do something is win. That's what I said. In the last 20 years they are up there in the most coaches and players that came

through that organization in the last 20 years. They have to be up there. Yeah. Like, top five. Coaches for sure. Coaches and players. But it's the biggest market though, right? Coaches and players, bruh. Wouldn't they? I mean, Lakers gotta be a dad motherfucker too. Yeah.

No, no, no, Phil Jackson held it down for a while. Like coaches and players and running. But after Phil, it was like seven coaches. Sons have had a coaching carousel going on, but. Yes. But you look at this next one they've not tasted this victory there. They're excited about this Eastern Conference finals like I said first time in 25 years. The next coach that comes in have immense amount of pressure and it's got to be a strong

enough name Mike Malone probably at this point is I'm saying whoever comes in got to have a proven track record to get this team excited and they're gonna have so much expectation on them and they just have to get it. They need somebody offensive minded. They got to run a proven track record to get this team excited and they're gonna have so much expectation on them. They just have to get it done. They need somebody offensive minded. They got to run a different offense for one. Yeah. And good luck with that for two because Allen Hughes changing them, changing their offense, get it away from Brunson and try to make him move around. That's gonna be different. So imagine they did bring Michael Malone in there, right?

And he did try to run that style of offense that he ran with Nicole. Some degree of it. I said it has to be that, but some degree of it. That changes Brunson. That changes who Jalen Brunson is off the top. I don't believe that's who Jalen Brunson is. I don't believe that what we're seeing is Jalen Brunson in his,

this is who I am. He's been given a role and I think he's been thriving in that role. By Tibbs. Yes. Tibbs' offense. Think about Dallas. Think about Dallas. That wasn't his role in Dallas.

He came to New York and they like, Tibbs like, look, we're gonna do this with you. And it carried over to the second season. Now we think that this is Brunson's offense This is what he does one-on-one. I don't think that's it. I think he can adjust. I think he can do some other shit I does that was just his priority. So how does now he knew how does he move off the ball? Right now cuz they office wasn't a move off the ball That's how he got his shit off the ball often. But no, but he's been off the ball before. He's been off the ball before. He was.

That's how he got his shit. Off the bench, off the ball. He would have never been the Jayson Brothers he is today if he was dating Dallas. But he would have been someone different. He would have been someone. Yeah, a role player. No. He could still be a star because he's good.

Waiting for Luka to kick it. He's good. That's all it is. Sitting in the corner, waiting for Luka to get it, then when he got it, play 101. He was in pick and roll. He's a pick and roll player. What, and when he got it, play one on one. That was the... He was in pick and roll. He's a pick and roll player. What is he doing now? He's going one on one.

No, his whole thing is pick and roll to try to get somebody he don't like on him. Tid didn't go one on one. So, but looking at this next squad, do we see more shake-ups coming? Obviously, it's just setting up to be a very interesting... They got a solid roster. Let somebody leave, or they make a trade,

but they got a solid roster, with a different coach, a a trade, but yeah, but that's not a roster, but a different coach, a different office. We don't know how it's going to look. Yeah. Right. But I'm just saying with this. And that's what that, listen, if he was going to fire Tibbs, you should have just held on to them first 10, 15 games of the season.

Yeah. And then fire them then. Motherfucker saw it off this season. Oh, went to fire, fire. Woo. Woo. Lord. Alright, let's bring somebody else in. Like, yeah, yeah, we already signed that contract. But, it's easier then because you got a reason to. Here...

Eastern Conference Finals? It's harder. Eastern Conference Finals. It's harder then. If we start the season next year and we fire him at the two games, we have to now implement a whole new shit during the season. Get this man out of here now so we can fucking focus on the summer and have these new coaches come in and not have a discrepancy at the beginning of the season and give him a reason to hate this nigga. Give us a new coach, let him implement his guys, let him pick his players and let's

start fresh. Okay, but now they start owing to it, that new coach is the same? Whoever gets the job, this is his team. the team that went to the Eastern Conference Finals this is the team so whoever it is you'll see them making any moves I wouldn't see I would the difference is it's not like this is Golden State where you had Mark Jackson right getting ready to hit the bubble right. And you know before he exploded Steve Kirk came in and rode that wave. This wave already hit we see who they are. It don't matter who the coach is.

Yeah, he is so that's what I know. It might be fired until he is. Yeah, could be for whoever the new go. Okay, but it's a fresh start because we've had this guy It's a short of it's a morning it's subordinate, but it's he'll be listening when but it's winning it is with it had the players but you never so this is the thing right when you have a It's the Nate McMillan thing, right? Okay. Hell of a coach. Mm-hmm, but goddamn dude. I'm tired of hearing your mouth. Yeah Right. It's damn. I'm tired of hearing your mouth. Damn. Right?

It's damn, I'm tired of, man, we're going to fucking town, going to shoot around? Man, I'm trying to go to dinner, dog. It could, like, you just, man, I'm saying, you've been around. No, no, no. But you've been around this shit. You've been in it when it's just, it could have been an assistant coach.

It could have been a, you just like, dude. All right, man. God damn, dude. It wasn't the starting six. I can tell you that for damn sure. So it's, yeah, but it just, no, but it could be. It could be. It could be one of them down.

Cause the other niggas ain't strong enough to make this kind of creed. They do a vote. Remember, there's six players that play. There's 11 players that don't. But them 11 players are part-tart. They can go. They put them in the toaster. I don't think of them 11. I think if this is a thing, right, you asking guys, you have an intimate personal conversation with players and whatever the synopsis is, that's what

you go with, right? Whether it's your exit meeting, whether it's off-site and whatever the synopsis is, that's what you go with, right? Whether it's your exit meeting, whether it's offsite, whatever the case may be. And it's whether it's just one guy that you had this conversation with and it's, man, do whine on people, man. It could just be that simple. His energy, His energy.

That real simple phrase right there, man, dude wearing on us, dog. Oh, he wearing on people. Man, we over. Not even us. I'm saying, I mean, dude wearing on people, man. And now it's like, hmm. Now imagine him walking in like the Grinch all the time

with the crown on. With the comb over? Yeah, with the, hey guys on yeah with them. Hey guys Shit fuck come on cat fucking lazy fuck shit Tired of hearing this nigga man Well, we will see how the next coaching search pans out Like I said not looking good right now, but today's podcast is sponsored by seat geek Everyone can use our code arena 10 get 10% off your seat geek order

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So take out your phone, open the SeatGeek app and add code Arena10 to your account. Alright, so let's talk about some things going on on Twitter recently. So KD, been known to engage with fans on social media from time to time. Past few days, Durant has been socially active on a variety of topics, including his postwar career and how ring culture has impacted players' legacy. So it all started after Twitter user Hannah Hoops posted the following tweet. She said, I think it's time to admit Kevin Durant's trajectory after leaving Golden State is very underwhelming. So despite not being tagged in the tweet, Durant confirmed the rumors,

he routinely searches his name on the app. Oh, that's crazy. Responding about an hour and a half later with. Cause I used to do the same shit. I highly disagree, wanted to be, wanted to make two question marks. The extra one let you know, I'm about this right now, I have some time on my hands.

So this said NBA Twitter ablaze, as other accounts jumped in on the conversation with Katie's Twitter fingers ready for action One user jumped into the discussion by offering this analysis on Katie's career since leaving Golden State saying Brother you sadly have not been out of the second round ever since you left Golden State perhaps a change of scenery might change that To which Katie quickly replied It's a team sport, I'm not playing tennis. But some think they have the best athletes in the game. So another user offered this rebuttal saying,

what have you done since leaving? Brooklyn was a failure, Phoenix currently is a failure, and you're about to jump ship to the next best available team, LOL, to which KD responded, all stars, 50-40-90, all NBA, efficient buckets brother. Available team lol to which kd responded all-stars 50 40 90 all-mba Efficient buckets brother. I also got a career high assist one year hit 30k points when a couple Olympic golds and MVPs What a career and I'm still going I love my life

crying emoji crying emoji crying emoji crying emoji So do you agree with Katie saying his career since leaving the Warriors has been successful? What you got man? Me? Yeah, what you thinking man? I think that the expectations are there, right? You got him, Harden and Kyrie and Brooklyn. I mean everybody thought it was going to be NBA finals, you know what I mean? Which, you know, they didn't get to play together. Then he goes to Phoenix, he's got Bradley Beal, and he's got Booker Whitham, expectations high,

and they don't really perform. I don't think that his legacy, as far as an efficient, one of the greatest scorers, is affected. But I think when you talk about Goal 2, you talk about top five, like, you know, it always comes into discussion of winning and he hasn't won since he's been a go to state and some could say that he didn't he only won because he was in go to state. He was already rocking and rolling when he was a kid. Come on now. Stop starting shit on the internet. They were rocking and rolling. They did have one ring. 2016 had a 3-1 lead over the Cavs, best regular season record ever. LeBron proceeded to win three straight games.

KD joins that team after that. They go on to win two straight rings and end up losing to the Raptors in that 2019 finals. I think LeBron would have won three straight for sure if he didn't go to Golden State. Oh, I forgot you was a fucking man. Intelligent basketball. That's what you was doing to line that up. Three straight. So they needed each other, you know, but outside, we're talking about after the Golden State

era, he's a great scorer. Damn. That's cold. But Rupture DeKilly is able to come back and arguably the same, if not a better player after that injury, which we've seen ruin a lot of careers in the history of the league. The game was never built on athleticism. So, fish and school, like he said, man. It's just, it amazes me how

people that's never played in the national basketball association can criticize or critique someone like Kevin Duran in this manner, right? Just because you have a phone, you question this man's, his being, legacy like. I it's. Yeah, you have an opinion, cool, but the man's career is what it is. His numbers are what it is. His MVP is what it is. All right.

He went into these situations not to lose. He didn't expect that thing in Brooklyn to blow up in their face. Went there to win. It didn't pan out. But COVID hit all kind of so whatever the to win, it didn't pan out. COVID hit, all kinds. So whatever the reasons were he didn't win in Brooklyn, it happened, right? From COVID, Kyrie not playing, it just, you name it, James Hamstring,

you name it, it just, he can't control none of that. He went there to win, it didn't happen. Same shit and thing, he went there to win and it didn't happen. Same shit in Phoenix. Went there to win and it didn't happen, man. So it's not like he's going into these situations like, you know what? I'm gonna go to that motherfucker and just make it to the first round.

Yeah, y'all cool with that? So y'all can talk shit about me. This is what I wanna do. Like, nah, that ain't what he's in this to do, man. The man wanna win. It's just unfortunate that injuries and a lot of others insinuating circumstances has happened. But he's been the, of every stop,

he's been the most consistent thing there. And you can't question that. Like you can, but it's not, to me it's not fair criticism, right? The criticism came leaving Oklahoma City and joining the team that y'all was up on. Cool, I'm with that. All right, but since then,

the man that went in every situation trying to win, it just hadn't panned out, so. But everybody like, we've been staying on this motherfucker, facts and opinions, and everybody has an opinion. That they do, especially in the NBA Twitter community. And they're like assholes. They are, I was gonna, gonna allude to that, can you but. No, most of them stink.

When you look at KD's career post-Warriors, do you agree with him saying that it's been successful? His career. Are we going off of his career of what he's done? Katie is an individual. I would say the team has been there like we talked about. And yes, he so just like he Katie says, I'm not a tennis player. I'm playing tennis. If you if you rank me on my performance on how I came into

every season my all-stars my all-NBAs, my gold medals, my average in 26 a game, then I've been successful. But there's 14 other players that has to be attached to this, and a coach that has to be attached to this, and an organization that has to be attached to this and the organization that has to be attached to this for me to be successful but when you're saying I me then you can only rate me by what I've done and this is what I've brung in every season what I've done so I'm saying hey you're saying I haven't been successful me as a person and I have. I have 29, 29, 26, 27. I played this many games. I made an all-star this. That's me.

My team. Yeah, no, yeah, we, we, we done got fucked up. You know, COVID hit, this man didn't do this. He got injured. My toe was on this line, but shit, I still hit the motherfuck shot, but I ain't got nothing to do. But as a team, I haven't, I haven't been successful in a group setting when we do group projects but my grade in the class is a fucking a steal my grade you're bringing an age of the group I bring it to I'm bringing an age of the group that's a group this day you didn't do this boy you knew that that's that's a group this is a group project so So, you know, the criticism is, it's easy because fans use,

fans use team accolades to- Team success. Team success to say how good you are as individual. And that's not necessarily how it's supposed to work. But it is, It is, but it's not. It's not. Because we can find a whole bunch of people that has great team success It was a fuck if it's fair or not

It is a thing right when they wanted to be what if I say hey, where's clay ranked amongst shooting guards? You're gonna always put a two shooting guards in front of them that have got no rings Why does man sitting there doing this to a whole bunch of people? We're gonna play a but you must better know Helen Iverson. You're gonna name a whole motherfucking bunch of people So we only use the team success when we want to argue about something that we like Right, so if you don't like Kevin Durant, of course, you're gonna go against it if you like them you're gonna defend it Right. It's that simple Kevin Durant said an important important statement he said this is a team sport it's not tennis. When you turn in a group project does the group get an A or B or grade? The group gets graded as a total unit. Does anybody get

graded on outside of the group? When you turn in a group project? Mm-mm. So you're saying because it's team... I don't want to hear nothing about me or I. But they're saying him. When we're talking about your success. Because we play a game that is a team sport. The success is contingent on the team success.

Your individual accomplishments. I think the dude tweet was asking. They're giving you your opinion of what success can be to you. Your accomplishments. But in the sport of basketball, the only success that counts is winning. And you are judged on that particular metric. Not necessarily. Period. No, I disagree. But the dude tweet was accurate. Brooklyn was a failure.

Yeah, Brooklyn was a failure. He was absolutely. Phoenix is currently a failure, absolutely. There has nothing, the first line. The first line is bullshit, right? So, yes, you are absolutely correct. Brooklyn was a failure, Phoenix was a failure, absolutely. But, no, shall I like this man, like. He shows up every year and he does his part.

Yes, I agree. But you're calling him a failure. So put him in the group, right? So to your analogy that you gave, right? If you put him in a group with a bunch of these students, right? And he come in that motherfucker be like, listen, thank you all for being here. But we're going to turn this motherfucker in. I already got it done so we can get this eight.

Yep. Why hasn't that happened? Because it can't. Why? You just explain how it can. Because he's not. You just said I got a bunch of D niggas in here. Because guess what?

I'm an A plus nigga. Because guess what? When I come and turn this bitch in, let me just turn in my shit. Because this is gonna be an A. Because you know why? Because you know why? Because you got the teacher standing in the middle of the group like, nope, you can't do that shit.

That's the coach. Yep. Right? You got the head coach standing in the middle of the middle of the group like nope can't do that shit. That's the coach Yep, right. You got the you got the head coach standing in the middle of the lane. Nope. You can't do that shit I said he got to do this part. He got to do this part. He got to do that part You can only do this part and it has to be handwritten But it hasn't been proven that you can handle it on your own. Oh, it hasn't no it hasn't haven't turned in a group paper where you led on your own.

Yeah. Well, in theory, you joined the group. No, no, no. You joined a group that already turned to say, look, we got it. We just confirmed it. No, no, no. It was a high-performing group. I'm not in a group.

In that group, did he do his part? The magic question. OK, so when he got to the other groups. In Brooklyn, as a small forward, not the top the best three four in deep On that team they did the D the D D they didn't do their part When I pull up and I just let's get this done. Let me give you the a book. I got the eight Yes, but you got the I got a tray back just, let's get this done. Let me give you the A, because I got the A. Yes, but you got the A. I got to train my grade in too.

So guess what? He has to do his grade, he has to do it. And as a group, y'all can get graded. No, no, we're not bringing individual shit to the group. We're as a group, we get graded as a group. So that's how the teacher does it. So when this A student got with the A group,. He still was a plus. Mm-hmm. Everybody else was step was a minus He was a stay plus when they turned in a great

As a group the smart group when they turned it But when go to state turn in a great it was a a plus before Katie got there when they turned in their grade They just lost this blue So now I would say F in 2016 that wasn't a failure. That was just a final He went to Brooklyn as a group what happened you botched your final project. Yeah, some people didn't show up Time I say y'all say this is why your final project is worth 51% of your grade. Okay. This is what that was. In Brooklyn?

No, no. Go to state. Go to state before you got like the 70th. So 51% of your grade is your final project. That was the finals. Okay. You turned that mother fucker in and you got an F on it. And that turned your A to a fuck. Like, so that'sucking and you got an F on it and that turns your a

like so Team is team. Yes Group project. Yeah, right and you and you did Yeah to help I don't care and then I come and I say you can't draw for nothing. I'm not listening to you. You didn't do no work You gotta bring the bad he got a bring the great shit Like you said if I can bring if I can bring all the shit, but oh you can chill bro You got me, but he can't do that in the back basketball who takes the ball out who has to guard the five that's my position as the three I made eight plus as the three so why are we talking like we playing all five no he's playing no

he's saying grade his position grade him as the three man but they're saying we're not gonna grade you individually no no no we're gonna grade you as a team. No, you're Individual and then you're throwing my team in they challenged him not his team. They say he's When you're saying the leader of the teams Was he the best player no, hey, hey, he's bringing aid to the here's my aid. How was your drawing? How was your man yeah bringing the seat He's not the right like if I'm a team and I bring in KD is he not gonna be the center? He's the best player. He's not gonna be the center point of my team. He's gonna be the best player They're bringing aid to the project. He can't he can't make you draw better

You still I'm still great in the drawing. So if he brought an A to the project, what is our overall grade? Ah, there you go. Failure, overall grade. So how did he bring an A? Because his, the small forward position. But we didn't get an A. Because you didn't bring an A to your point guard position.

You didn't bring an A either. Dre Mon didn't throw him a goddamn ball. SGA ruined an A either. Dre Mon didn't throw him a goddamn ball. SGA ruined the Warriors. Because Dre Mon didn't throw him the goddamn ball. You... Goddamn. Think about if everybody showed up and just said, look, I'm going to just do my part and go home.

Then you're going to have team success. How? You will. What if what you say you're doing what you say is enough Do if I did all I can do to the best of my ability right to the best I was it for us. It wasn't enough for us It wasn't a team to for the best of your ability is what you think is good for the team. We need more The best of your ability is what you think is good for the team. We need more

We need more. We can't do more. We need more. That's why we got somebody else That's why we got to go on other shit Because if you can give us more and you're not because you're basically just saying look I'm giving all I got man I can't do any more What if you keep jumping from group to group those trying to get project, but the problem is this there's 500% pushed into a game, right? We all have the ability to bring 500%. If he brings 100, you bring 50. If I bring 100, you bring 10, I can't make up 90% of your job. I can't do it.

I can't bring. So he cannot say, all right, I'm'm gonna beat LeBron James at my position and then Luca here is bringing 100% to the point guard and then our point guard brings 10 compared to him and I gotta take on Luca too then I gotta take on Austin Reeves too like no I can only beat I can only bring 100% you're grading me on what I'm bringing. He's not felling what he's bringing to the table. There's other players that's playing in the game too.

There are other people. There's other people. Right? So the point guard they bring in, what was he ranked amongst point guard? So 349, where was he? As a starter. who's what is this what was it what was this cuz me I'm ranked what one two or three playing against one two or three so now the point guard we're playing again is one two or three but the

guy that's guarding him that's on my team is 340 and I and your great your your your judging me saying I'm failing how I'm not losing my matchup and that's all I can do is bring my matchup not winning a lot of people are in the team you're not winning as a lot of people not winning and they've I mentioned in those guys because they not KD well let's pay the board is no Katie no Katie is low hanging fruit for people why because he's gonna respond Where it can be low, it's easy clickbait, but did he put his know He how can you blame the people? It's easy clickbait. So let's let's spin this for so Katie was listen

They are he's giving them exactly what they are Going seeking to do right? They know if they poke him he's going to respond the poke is going to resort so they know that right they say they was this is good shit for them when you have nothing to talk about yeah there's two buttons you push yes yeah Katie getting traded yes er Ron James er but guess what we guarantee to get guess what we guarantee to get out Guess what we guarantee to get out of that? Content. A response? A response. Why the fuck are we talking about this?

So I'm asking a real question. Why are we talking about KD responding to guys on Twitter that ain't even at him? Because OKC and Pacers are in the championship. We're going to talk about them shortly. Let's spin this forward though. So KD was also asked by Dime Dropper Pod about his Ness Wadgen swept by the Celtics during the championship. We're gonna talk about them shortly. Let's spin this for it though. So, KD was also asked by Dime Dropper Pod about his Nets wide getting swept by the Celtics in the first round of 22 playoffs.

In that series, Durant averaged 26.6 assists, six rebounds, 39, 33, 90 shooting splits. So, Dime Dropper Pod asked KD if he was satisfied with that series. Of course, KD said no because he's a perfectionist. Durant went on to say that winning a game in that series wouldn't really have made a difference in the grand scheme of things in terms of how he's perceived.

KD also used the discussion as an opportunity to address his problems with the current state of ring culture using Allen Iverson's MVP season in 2001 as an example, which included AI Sixer squad giving the Lakers their only loss of the postseason and gained one of the finals that year. This is what KD said Said this is a new day. Iverson will be getting clowned for not winning that series.

It's just the way fans work in 2025, but I don't think we tried to lose. LOL, like they just beat us. If I would have retired and quit basketball after that, then I would get the criticism towards my mentality. So Durant went on to elaborate his thoughts even further saying, I'm just saying to me, Iverson is a basketball god, so him winning and losing doesn't matter. He stamped himself as somebody who loved

and cared about being great and pushing the game forward. I know this will be frowned upon, but as a fan, that's enough for me. So do you agree with Katie saying, winning or losing doesn't matter when it comes to talking about the greats? Is it their approach to the game? I agree.

Yeah, man, it's just what it is, man. Like everybody's not gonna win. That's just unfortunate. Like that's just what it is about sports. Everybody is not gonna win. Everybody's not gonna win the championship. That's what it is. So if you go out there, my man,

and you putting your time in, you working on your craft and whatever comes of it, and when you hang them up and you did your part, you did all you could, you worked as hard as you could, or if you didn't work as hard as you, whatever comes of it when you hang them up, it is what it is, man. You can hold your head high,

you can walk down the street and people recognize you for your craft, things that you did. that's gratifying and satisfying enough for a lot of people right for people to recognize them for every person that love is gonna be somebody that got something negative to say man so you concentrate on the people that's praising you and that's good enough for a lot of dudes that that did this and put a lot of time into this man so it's not always paying out the same way for everybody. But if you as an interval do all you can to impact winning as much as you can and then that does not happen. What else can you do? The winner is what the winning the winning is your approach

to the game. How do you approach the game? Right? Is basketball 90% of your life? Are you trying to be an expert at it? Right? We... He loses to the Golden State, right? He joins the team. You put him in a winning situation with other people who know how to win. They want... they didn't fuck it when they dominate it they didn't usually you will fail right there's only one ball remember that there's only one ball around they tried to use that but because he has other people that knows the same they think the same they won he didn't have success didn't have the same minds but when you're talking about a pure basketball mind who cares about the game of basketball, who studies the game of basketball,

he's in locker rooms, there he might only meet two, three people his whole career that actually loves the game like him. You are fortunate if you have somebody who has the same passion as you, who obsesses with the game just like you are in a locker room. Right, you got motherfucking losers

that's top 10, top 15, losing minds. They were just more gifted than everybody. So they would go down as winners. Oh, there he is winning. He got this many rings. They were fucking losing mind. He just, he had people that was mentally stronger than him. He had a great group with him. He had a great franchise that helped him win.

But the, the habits was fucking losing habits. Can I say this? As far as on record, KD is one of the greatest players that ever played a game. Period. But he's being judged based on what he accomplished in Golden State. When you go there and you win, and I think everyone believes that when he got there, they won because of him.

Are we in agreement? Or you put them over the top. So the expectation here now is that KD took his talents to the Warriors and won two championships. So anywhere he goes after this, what can we expect if he was the sole reason for those two championships? No, he wasn't the sole reason. He broke his grade to the project. He wasn't the sole reason, though. He has another ace. Seth Curry was an ace in his position.

I let niggas cook. I let niggas cook. I say, I ain't say a goddamn word. I ain't say nothing. I think what KD was saying was like, he's not really focused right now on, he's enjoying the game you know he's accolades are there who he is and when you look back on players when you talk about them 20 years down the line what are you looking at you're

looking at the highlights right you're not posting up their standings and like if they won you know that if they were first in the East or the West so I think as as an individual player yeah he's he's you know he's he's one of the greatest to ever you know one of greatest scorers to ever play the game. But he's not being judged on that. I don't think he should be judged on the way. He's being judged on when you won, how you won, and why you haven't won since then. That's it.

How you won, when you won, and why you haven't won since. And they're making great points, like, yes, who was around you and all that. But that's the expectation that it was set when he won That it was because of you and then any team who picks you up They're gonna expect the same thing you did in Golden State, but you don't got no Stefan. That's what they saying You ain't got no stuff. You got no clay You ain't got the a team, but that's the expectation that the a team was you He came back at the 18th 18

That's the expectation that the A team was you. You had the A team, but the A team happened during COVID. You had Kyrie, you had James. That was supposed to be that, right? He was trying to recreate what they had in Golden State. But the expectation was him with them could automatically work because he just worked with them two over there. So there was insinuating circumstances that got in the way of that.

Like what? COVID. Oh, you say insinuating circumstances that got in the way of that. Like what? COVID. Oh, you say insinuating, okay. I mean. Injuries, hamstring. Excuses. No, these are things. So hamstrings, excuses.

You gotta play. No, you don't. No, I'm saying KD is gonna have to play without them regardless of those circumstances. So if Steph and Clay go down, do they win? It didn't happen. Yeah, they lost No, they did lose Toronto won a championship. I thought you're talking about when KD was there

He was there. He got hurt. Remember got hurt. Yeah, he towards it First to yeah, but so mad See what happened when he went down Yeah, he towards the kill among the first two. Yeah, but so imagine Steph go down. Imagine Steph, before two years when they won it, right? That means that he was the A part of the team. So the two years when they won it, the two years that they won it. That means he's the A part of the team. They lost when he go down after winning two. But the two years that they won it.

You're trying to pretend that there's not a top. They all went down. The next person on the team, you take Kevin Durant, the next person on the team is Steph Curry. Who's arguably the best point guard ever or number two on the team. The shooting guard, first ballot Hall of Famer. The power forward, first ballot Hall of Famer. The power forward, First Ballot Hall of Famer.

They're all bringing their A game to this team project. Why are you trying to pretend that there's A students with him? And you're trying to say- He's the A student. Also- He's the A student. So Steph is not an A student?

Steph is right in front of him. We're talking about taking the A student that was on an A team, and he's gonna start his own team with two other A students. And what happens? These A students didn't show up. They got hurt. So how do you? So now we say you can only play with A students. They didn't show up.

It's only been proven you can only win with A students. They're only showing up? It's only proven you can only win with your own showing up like you're saying that you can only win with a students That's been proven not bring in their a game. They're hurt. They didn't turn their homework in Why do you think they're not there? Maybe if you don't have an a team then we're not gonna see a results Why do you have Phoenix but you're judging him and saying he's not a player thought it was a team and it's not a team It was a team in terms of salary, but you only had one a you had a you had a plus player. I

Would say it looked like a a a talk about this team, but that's what you just talked about He's doing the same thing about the if they wasn't a he's doing the same thing. I'm not doing the situation. You're saying he's an ape player who brought his a result and then you know the team project failed then you're blaming the a student Who showed up with a they say I felt as a group? Oh, yeah, you failed No, cuz the X failed. No cuz the It's the Didn't do your thing but his his part of it got an A Yeah, cuz it's his part got an A last time his part. Yes, so come here and do your part

I got it. We didn't get an A you guys you keep saying we when you talk there's only we and team Gilbert Stop saying I am team is here. You saying he's brung his a to the team him brung an a so when we say what did you do? It's an a Then you say we failed because we don't want to grade You don't want to grade the rest of the people you want the other guys to be a's too You want them all to be all-of-famers? No, no, we're not all of them So then why are you not winning with the D guy becauseuy? Because you're trying to pretend that when I won, I won and this is my group and we won. You're trying to say. Who is D? Name the D-Guys he won with. Go ahead, keep going. Hold on. I'll get to it. He never won with any D-Guys. He never won with any D-Guys. Yes. Kobe didn't?

No. He didn't win no championship. He went two in a row. With the D-Guys? With the D-Guys. Yes. Kobe didn't? No. He ain't won no championship. But he went two in a row. With D-Guys? With D-Guys? With D-Guys? With D-Guys? With D-Guys? With D-Guys? With D-Guys?

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Did you tell D guys on the Lakers? No, they played. It wasn't a bunch of A guys on the Lakers. Kyle Gasol plays the first bout of Hall of Fame. Lamar Odom is a Hall of Fame. Why not test? Metal will piece. So these guys are guys.

So that's what I'm saying. You're trying to grip. If they don't show up that a is meaningless He's not turning the homework in if Pogasol is not there in the homework, but he didn't turn up He's not playing he didn't turn it in. He's a part. I can't make up his stuff. Oh, he didn't turn it in He's done. He don't I read this year. It's not He was physically done. He's not turning in the paper. The only a player I ever seen take some D players to the finals

It's the run. It's got say that oh, but they put you said to the final, but they but they said they To the championship, huh? Yeah finals not talking about to the finals. It's about winning 2007 I'm not winning that's true. They didn't get in them sweat by the Spurs I ain't just credit and Kate. It's just your understanding the metric of expectations. You are expected to do this. The fans are giving you shit because you went here, went here, went here. You haven't won since then.

That's not a knock against his talent or what he does. Yes, it is. No, it's not. That's what they're saying. It's an expectation. No, they're saying it's a knock. Who said it's a knock? That's what it is.

What do you? That's what the words are. The words are criticism. Read the words. Criticism's not what it is What do you that's what the words are? the words are Criticism read the word about the trajectory of his legacy I think it's time to admit Kevin Durant trajectory after leaving Golden State is very underwhelming. Okay, this is a random Yeah, a random fan says something like this and we're entertaining it because it's Kevin Durant entertaining it. His legacy? Okay. His legacy.

Okay. His first, his. And what was the next thing? So there's your legacy. And what was the next thing? When is the losses counting your legacy? What was the next statement, please? Said, brother, you sadly have not been out of the second

round ever since you left Golden State. Perhaps a change of scenery might change that. Also said, what have you done since leaving? Brooklyn was a failure. Phoenix currently is a failure and you're about to jump ship to the next best available available. That's all team Yes, so why did he bring up his legacy? He brought up stats his leg Then you're using explaining why his legacy

Because of those what was the second part you just said the second part is the first part that got his attention What the second part you said was team the second brother you It's the first part that got his attention. What's the second part you said? His team. Brother, you sadly have not been out of second round ever since you left home state. Then what have you done since leaving? The beginning is the end of the world. I'm talking about what he just said just now. No, training rings the beginning.

I want to. Because he's expressing the beginning of it. But these are two different statements. Yes it is. It's not the same statement. This is two different statements. No, it's not. Yes, it is. It's not the same statement Those are two different posts and he Posts and then the nose right there's two separate posts Hannah right first post I think it's time to make Kevin Durant's trajectory after leaving Golden State. That's very underwhelming Yes, that's one person. Yeah, one person. One person. And he said, I disagree. I highly disagree.

Then he said, one a debate, question mark, question mark. So then it's another person he responded to. That said, brother, you sadly have not been out of the second round ever since you left Golden State, perhaps a change of scenery. My change that his response to that person was, it's a team sport, I'm not playing tennis. And then the third person said,

what have you done since leaving? Brooklyn was a failure. Phoenix Irwin had a failure. You're about to jump ship to the next available team His response to that person was all-stars 50 40 90 all-in-ba efficient buckets brother I also got a career high assist one year hit 30k points won a couple Olympic gold in MVP's What a career and I'm still going I love my what have you done? Like I said, whatever you say what have you done what y'all did? Yeah, he said what have you done what I've done

Oh, I've showed up this is what I have done I will let's shift this and let's talk about the current NBA finals going on so game through the NBA finals shifts off tonight Indian It's very important. Can we say the best for last? We got 18,000 people not talking about the best we talk about I want you to look at the number Look at the number in the chat right now. We will see if it includes So gay they blame me talking about I'm knocking them

No motherfuckers y'all knocking so gave you the NBA final steps off tonight any and let's talk about some interesting subjects with both teams first SGA joined some elite company during the Thunder's game to win in the NBA final So let's take a look at that So after 34 point performance she became just a fourth MVP in the NBA final, so let's take a look at that. So after 34 point performance, Shea became just the fourth MVP since the NBA-ABA merger to score 3,000 points in a single season, including playoffs. No. Go ahead.

No, the other three to do it, MJ, who did it five times in his career, Shaq, and also Kevin Durant, who we just previously talked about. The simple, sure fact that it's a guy on that list that didn't make anything outside of the fucking paint. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, you can go even further.

Okay, yeah. You can just add it. Yeah. Most of them, all four of them, inside the three point line. That too, but the other 98% of their game inside of freedom. But the one guy, I know, but the one guy is definitely the fact that he is on that list for 3,000 points in the season. So without without just MVP's 12 players have done them when you expanded you got MJ,

Luca, Harden, KD, Kobe, Shaq, Bobq Bob McAdoo Kareem Rick Berry and Elgin Baylor I'm in time each other they only did once or this I've done in the season So MJ did it ten times will do it five times. All right, there's only one. There's only one who was a three-point guy That lived in the three-point line Yeah Yeah that part. So question for the couch. Oh, where does SGA season rank amongst the top scoring seasons

all time when you look at that information? Does it? 34th for game 50% of all time. Hmm. And it's a man. You better go. How many people's on it? This?

Hmm. How many people's on the 3000? This is just an overall list, but he... I don't rank it out of this. One of four MVPs with 3,000 total points in the season. Of the four MVPs? I'm gonna... It's the MVP season.

MVP season, but 12 players have done it. Four. 12 players have done it, including non-MVPs. So this list that you just gonna put him at four. What's the question? So where does SGA season rank amongst the top scoring? seasons all time But so you but not just on this of all the 12 players have done it scored over 3,000 points including playoffs in the season

What's the percentage What's the shooting percentage? Shooting over 50% from the field not even a metric anybody can even come off the top of their head and give you a real straight answer. Jordan's one. Actually, I shot 51% from the field, 36% from three, 89% from the free throw line. That's 3,032. How many pistol Pete averages in the scene? Kobe averaged 28.

Well, 40 feet. You got guys like Elgin Baylor at this bitch. You got goddamn, what's played in Denver, Kiki. So his speed average, his high was 31.1, Kiki. Consistent 20. Fat. You said scoring? Michael, yeah.

You said scoring season. Scoring, stop scoring of all time. Yeah, scoring season of all time. What does he rank? Scoring season of all time, then what? We'll be second? You put him second. When he average 30, what?

One? 32.1 I believe he ranked this season. He wanted, yeah, or average 32. You gotta throw Wilton. Only Shaq got him to 29 that year. I mean, Kobe averaged 28 when he won it that year. I'm not putting him over. So how are we gonna?

I'm not putting him over. We're talking about the year, not like. Bro. I'm not putting him over. So how are we going to put him over? We're talking about the year, not like. I'm not putting him over Shaq though, so no point. That shit was this man couldn't make man couldn't make free throws and didn't have a jump shot. Man had 40-24. He had 40 and 24. He was 11 for 18 from the free, I mean from the field and he missed 21 free throws. He shot 39 free throws. So it's not even he missed 21 in my opinion.

You missed 21. SJ shot 39 free throws. He's not missing 21. No, he not. But imagine this jacket. He's making about 32 to 33 of those. Absolutely. He missed.

He had 90. He shot 61 for 61. Wait, what did you say? How many total points was it? It's 3,032 total points. When he won the MVP? Yes, MVP season. MVP season.

So this is Shade's MVP season. So know that four- The other three guys did the same thing. As MVPs. Scored over 3,000. Since the NBA-ABA merger. Is this playoffs included? Yes. Oh, I was going to say.

As I said. Yes, playoffs included. Okay. Single season, including playoffs. Okay. Yes, including. Okay, okay. So I'm going with Shaquille O'Neal.

Yeah, I will too. I'm just, whoever has the most points then, that's, I'm going with whoever has the total most points at that point then. Nah Shaq, for sure. I'm going with Shaquille O'Neal. More impressive. More dominating too, like just the way he is.

All dumb and shit. But is the fact that SGA is even worthy of being in that discussion. He averaged 32. Yeah, and he won MVP, so. What is your actual question? The question I just asked you, Gilbert. Ask it again?

Would you like me to? Yes. Where does SJ season rank amongst the top scoring seasons all the time? Let's see if they win. Then yeah, Jordan's won because I think that was a 35, first team everything. You smart. That was first team everything. You smart.

Shaq, they won championship two. Gotta win it. Yeah, gotta win it. KD done won it. Man, listen, Jack. I mean he's on the list. I mean, top four. Top four, you know what I mean? Top four, after that. Brother man, brother man, man. Let's shift over to the Pacer side. So no love lost between Tim Hardaway Sr., Tyrese Halliburton. As some of you may remember, Timmy pulled up to the arena during All-Star Weekend and said he wanted to take down the Halliband.

If I go back and put on my shit and suit up, I want to go fuck up Hollaburton. I want to go fuck him up. He talks so much shit. Okay. I want to go back and bust his mother. I love it. I love it.

I love that shit. Yeah. Yeah. He talks so much shit. I want to go back. I want to bust his ass. So you want to bust Tyrese Hollaburton's ass because he talks too much. Right. And he think so much shit. I wanna go back, I wanna bust his ass. So you wanna bust Tyrese's ass, right? Right, and he think he all that.

So, Howie saw the clip, Howie saw the clip offered this response. He said, tell the world the real reason you feel this way, Tim. Which left many to speculate. What would be the real reason you feel this way, Tim. Which left many to speculate. What would be the real reason that Tim feels this way? I'm trying to fuck him up. So Hardway later doubled down on his comments.

The beef has now spilled over to the finals and during an interview on the Pacers post-up on the Believe Network, Timmy had this to say about Halle's trash talking during the playoffs. This is my thing with Hallebert. All right. I'm a shit talking person on the court. Okay. If you out there and you're going to talk shit, I talk shit whether I'm losing or whether

I'm winning. All right. You just can't talk smack when you are winning. That's when guys don't like you. Guys like you. And when you smack, when you losing too. Say that's all right, we gonna get you next time. We gonna come for your butt. Yeah, we go, yeah, y'all got us this time, but we gonna get y'all next time.

And you better be ready, you better be ready, so on, so on, so on, so on, so on. So, you know, you like y'all had one of the best smack talkers in the league with, oh, Chuck Person, the rifle man and Reggie Miller. And then you had one of the best talk smackers as a coach and Larry Bird. He talked when he was losing and now all of them talk when he was winning. So that was my problem with Hallenberg. When you out there winning, you can give it to them, but even when you out there winning, don't you give it to him.

But even when you lose, don't clam up, don't get real small. I can't see you. And then you don't want to talk smack and you behind me, hiding behind your teammates, stuff like that. So Tim Hardaway, senior, have a point about Halle's trash talk, or is he just hating? So I have Tim told the world why he really mad? That's what, that's the, still answer the question. Right, that's, like you just can't double down.

You can't come at me and you ain't answer the question yet that I asked you, homie. And I ain't even said nothing to you. You just double down on me. You gonna double down, yeah, that's the question. That was the question. He said, why you mad at me? I'm mad, I hate him because he speaks so Oh, no, but Tyrese had but that ain't

Basketball at all, huh? Some is speculated work related work related Mighty God is work. I say no word. He's chosen No word his work chose that that's what happened when you owe your work me No more fuck don't take shit they leave Tim Hardaway senior showing that black don't crack though. Shout out. I Mean, it's I'm gonna relax man. The statement is the statement that Tim is saying like That is why players probably voted them most overrated. Um, the reason that, um, they probably don't respect this game like it should be is the same reason that we was talking about the Dylan Brooks thing.

You can't talk shit when you're winning. And then when you lose, you don't want to talk to me to you. Ain't bumping your gums or more like as a as a basketball player like that's that's that's how we know who's who you're talking both sides of it like Gary Payton no matter what the score is he's running at the mouth that's why people like it like you're not you're just not a front runner so I guess that's what he's calling them but do you feel like how he's a former and obviously if I hit a's a front runner? Obviously if I hit a big shot in the garden,

or if I hit a big shot in the play, I'm a... Okay, cool, but when you get... If I miss that shot, I'm probably not gonna talk. But when you're getting beat by 25, are you still out there bumping your gums? Are you still out there talking shit? Like that's what makes the player. I'm not losing.

There's nothing to talk about. That's what makes the player. Like when you go to the podium, like when you did the the choking you sitting there The choke shit I didn't move with her huh, and then when you lose your ass in the car But he's not no no no cuz when you did the choke shit. I was up here talking like yeah He got the best of us nobody there's another game though nobody ever did it nobody ever does that when I'm talking shit You're shutting up

You're listening to me talk shit cuz you're getting your ass busted. There ain't nothing you can say to me. And if you even try to say something, I'm going to over talk you because I'm beating your ass. Shut up, nigga. Shut up. Shut up. Now, when I'm losing, guess what you can do? Tell me the same fucking shit. And guess what I got to do? Shut the fuck up because I'm losing. That's how the game go. When I talk shit and I'm busting your ass boom just like this nigga say he think he all that No, nigga, you think I'm all that. Mm-hmm. I don't think shit you do you see what I don't I don't get to see me Walk around nigga. That's confidence. You hate it. I get it. I get it. I get it, but When it's time to step up and I talk shit better than you then just you know

You got to live with it because if I'm hitting game winners and I'm talking shit, you gonna tell me to talk shit when I lose? Nah, nigga, you talk shit when you win. You still trash talk when you were losing a game? Every goat did it, right? No. Right? Isn't that what made the Goat the Goat? That they didn't give a fuck what the score, they still gonna do they thing? Like, I'm pretty sure with Kobe's oh four or five season

He was out there running his motherfucking the area y'all can't guard me y'all better bring six seven of you motherfuckers out here Well, we are coming back. Oh That was a dumbass foul with what way we coming back. Oh, yeah fucking he's talking the whole game down or up Score that's what made him scary or because it didn't matter you still had to respect That man he didn't give a fuck who was on the court what the score was he was talking Jordan was talking he plays on the Wizards was he what? Talking I'm still me nigga down 30. I'm still me come get this work. You better double everybody Don't have that confident. That's what I'm saying. So the cap that's right now

We're talking about is now everybody got to have that that's what we're judging off of that's the era He grew up in who? Yeah Polybryon and grovin that so that's where he said I don't like this Yeah, you don't like it because you want it You only bouncing around when you only bouncing around when you win it you don't but I don't like it. Yeah, you don't like it, because you want it. You only bouncing around when you're winning. You don't got no confidence in yourself. So this is the thing, right?

I don't got to bounce around when I'm losing. So the era that Tim Hardaway played in. The 90s era of basketball, late 80s, 90s era of Tim Hardaway's career, the way basketball was, it was a masculine thing. Masculinity stood out first, right? There was no locker room that you could've walked in

with your nails painted. I'm just saying. Unless you was Dennis Rock. Unless you was Dennis Rock. Unless you was just crazy. Unless they knew what you were like. You knew what you was on. Yeah, Dennis go out with Madonna. Yeah, he's a fucking rock star.

So Dennis don't count. Jamie Hendrix. Right. So the way you had to approach it, if you didn't talk shit back when you were down, they just gonna wrench you off. Right you all run right over you from this side. You're not listening to you no more. You ain't. There's nothing else that you can say. This generation more sensitive more. I'm in my feelings. We lose. It's okay for me to talk to the media like this

now because we lost and I don't really like when you guys go after me because I just got done talking shit yesterday and you don't even know how to rebuttal. They don't they don't understand it. So because it's. The level of competition night in night out, each possession night in night out allows them to be this way, unfortunately. Right? They're skilled, absolutely. Talented, absolutely. But generations of from before, the competition part of it that Tim is speaking of, right? It sounds personal. It really does.

I'm trying not to think about it in a personal manner. I'm trying to think about it in this competition manner. So if that's the angle, then yeah, I get it. Where it's coming from. But it really sounds fucking personal. That has nothing to do with basketball. Because this man, like, honestly, like you, there are a lot of the things that you could mention

about his game and that he's doing that he's not doing in order to help his team, the game that he hasn't played well, playing the same position that you play. There's a lot of shit that you could have went to before the shit talking, in my opinion. Cause y'all play the same position, so you're able to critique it. Yes.

Right? That part. That's my thing. It comes across as personal now. But isn't that critiquing it? No. He's basically saying, he's saying when you're bringing on like the way

you shit talk. He's saying when you're bringing on like the way you shit talk. After using sex. When you're losing. Yeah, he's talking about the celebration. You know what I'm saying is you celebrate, but when you're losing, you don't show up.

Yeah, so my thing is, that's part of the thing. There's a lot of the shit that, in my opinion, that you could have got to, that you could have talked about, which we didn't see the totality of it. But this part of it, just like, there's a lot of the shit, because you played the position that you could have critiqued them on, and it would have been the same message as this.

Like I said, it sounds personal in my opinion. It really sounds like, and when for Tyrese to respond that way. Tell him why you really hate him. The real reason why you really hate him. So that's, and I'm trying to take the personal, I'm just talking about. I am too.

We had the argument, we said the same thing about Dillon Brooks and why nobody would respect him in the locker room. Coming on coming on the team because when everything is Popping. Yeah, but when everything is popping you there when she ain't going well you hide Yeah, but when Holly wins or loses he still goes to the party. I think the deal is talking about like this is on court This is not the business on court like how he's not doing all the shit that what's the name is saying? He's doing though. You don't over-exaggerate Holly's shit talking, cause

he's shit talking like Trey Young shit talks. It's all subliminal, it's all the little shit that you hate to see, but he ain't all out there talking crazy and all that. When Trey Young losing, he still run his mouth. Just like Shea still runs his mouth, Anthony Heaver still run his mouth, Yana still...

That's just how they play the game. It's confidence. So it's basically saying he don't have no confidence when he's losing. Yes, that's what he's saying, right? And the other guys, they have to, the people that you named, they have MVPs to stand on. They have other things to stand on.

So when people can try to, if they don't want to talk or if they do behave a certain way, they're like, motherfucker, I didn't want to fuck you. Right. They had it. He don't have it yet. So it's more sensitive and it's real time. And so, but like I said, I'm trying not to think about it being a personal matter,

but it just, it's giving me that. He think he all that. That's all I needed to hear. I hear that all the time. I hear it in the circles, the birds chirping and everybody saying it. Man, who the fuck this nigga with the crown think he is?

Huh? Y'all got him still on the show. He ain't never did shit. Watch me though. Never watching. That's all he gotta do. I guess the spin it's we talked to Dillon Brooks side of it right Brooks did all of Poking the Bears doing all that stuff. Team lost. I'm not talking to media I'm just gonna walk off. Yeah that's... When I see Halle lose I don't see him duck the media. But we don't know what he's talking on the court, though.

Yeah. Right? But that's what I'm saying. If I'm hitting shots and I'm talking shit, but then when I'm not hitting shots, I'm quiet. Gil, do you talk shit when you lose? Yes. When you was losing to me, you was never talking shit. You was leaving.

Losing to you what? In the game, in there, when I was winning that trophy of bringing that bitch in here every weekend, you never was talking shit when you was losing. You never played me one on one on, what are you talking about? Nevermind. Remember when I lost, I kept challenging you and you never showed up.

No. No? That wasn't the thing? No, because of the three point contest and we did the contest. Remember, I had to put money up. But you didn't talk shit. One I'm saying is I had to put money. Yes. I talk shit. No Talking shit, we lost in the shootout When you lost in the shootout, you never talk shit the next day. None of that wasn't you It's nothing about you lost you lost. It was nothing to talk shit about it was me

I came here talking shit still it wasn't talking nothing And he never tried to read up and he never tried to come back to the table. We was upstairs. Hey, give we shooting I don't know when I shoot today. You know, I'm not when I shoot today Yeah, we're doing oh no. No, I'm not a young shoe again. I you know, I don't talk shit. I didn't even get my name I didn't name myself a to 12 Gilbrick Was awesome. I was not doing this. I don't know. I'm sure Gilbrick was talking shit Talking shit man. That's not talking shit to me talking shit is pretty Sam. I'm gonna beat your ass

Regardless when we play the guy I work every fucking full 30 day, then you ain't got a fucking that's talking shit now when I can't hear I'll beat your ass and I don't hear none of that shit. That's the same shit. We talk about right now That's a lot cuz you never do you want a game you want a game or how you won there? And I talk shit for my I have to create a shooting match for you to get out there That's how much shit I was talking come on. What are you talking about? everybody for you to get out there. That's how much shit I was talking. What are you talking about? We had the knock on the door. Everybody knows. Everybody knows.

Am I wrong? Did we not create a whole shit up because you didn't want the comeback? We did Larry Day, he didn't show up. You didn't invite me. You live here. You told me run around, move around. You live here.

Move around. You live here. You told me to move around. What are you talking about? You were there What they saying come on tell them talking Sure, I actually never talked when I won. We got the runners back. Huh?

We got the runners back. When I won in bowling, I didn't say nothing. When I won in bowling, I didn't talk no shit. Didn't talk no shit. Didn't talk no shit. Guess who talked shit? You didn't say nothing in bowling. People didn't even know we bowled.

I got to see it and believe it. We didn't even know nobody didn't know we bowled. Guess who talked shit though? You? I know you. Guess when I don't talk shit we bold. I gotta see it and believe it. We ain't even nobody to know we bold. Guess who talk shit though? You? I know you. Guess when I don't talk shit. When he lose. Guess when I lose.

When he lose. Never. Never. You ain't lost yet? Never. Never. Shaw you've never lost. Never.

La Barba. Never. I beat his ass so bad in bowling that I had to tell, started off three strikes, had to tell my girl. I'm gonna just let him win so we can get out of here Beat the fuck out of him. He said that don't count then we played again beat the fuck out of him He's okay you up 1-0 and then we did a third one three strikes I already see my hands start doing it, so I just opened up every frame

So we can leave he got his win one one we can go so good You all didn't even know we even bold it was a month before it got mentioned. That's like the rocky Apollo cream Nobody saw it. Nobody saw everybody know and when a nigga get this planning That's it. Did I say a lot like a day a day? That's a lot Hey, we're niggas all capping you put that cap on you say press play. Okay, what happened first? Okay, what happened first game then? who won Who won the the the the practice game? Tell them what you told me.

Who won the practice game? You told me, shot, can't bowl until I get there, so don't practice. So yeah, don't practice, we both started off fresh. Who won that game? Did I just buy a ball? Who won the game? Did you just tell?

I just asked you who won the game. Now you're explaining, I just asked who won the practice game, the practice game. Who is Big Irma Cracker? Who won the practice game? And then after the practice game and we had a real game who won that? I'm just saying There's no cat Cap so we wasn't one one. Yeah, it was one. I just said you said I capped

We're gonna have the gil game You said you're gonna be frank are three frames. And then you just quit. I hit three, I started off three strikes, you started rubbing your hands talking about oh this is the wrong ball. And then I opened up every frame. You started drinking, three four drinks in a row and then looked at your girl and said look at this nigga he trying to make an excuse he going to leave early. I opened up every frame and you won. Because he was getting drunk he was missing he was was throwing shit in the gutter and shit you're inebriated and there have been no challenges of course not but I have a challenge he's trying to break that time I have a challenge

for everybody in the chat let's stick around for mostly fans again presented by underdog download guilt still talking shit okay download the underdog after use promo code You'll get up to a thousand dollars a bonus card away plus a special Watch gil's mic watch goes Mike Yeah, I ain't got a Much The energy we will see if the I ain't got it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm cutting too much, bro The energy we will see if the time is the first time he was happy with a tie

So we have an email question for underdog user cap Oh deuce that would you trade the number one pick to Charlotte for lamello ball? That is our mostly fans question Hmm Wait, wait, wait, if you're a Dallas Maver Maverick if you the doubt the who has the number one picks Would you trade the number one pick to Charlotte for the mellow ball knowing that you need? Help with the guard position with Kyrie currently Recovery from his injury. No You plan on moving Kyrie?

Cuz he got to come back move with Kyrie? Oh man. Cause he gotta come back. Yeah, he's gotta come back. What you gonna do with that? You move Mello to the two? Nah, Mello not a two, you move Kyrie to the two. Like he was with Luthor. You move Kyrie to the two.

Mello's tough. Mello is tough. Six, seven. Clay. Well, Cooper could be. Clay. Clay and Mello. Man, that is man, Clay. Well, Cooper could be. Clay. Clay and L.O. Man, a big man, man, 6'10".

You can't duplicate that, man. It's hard for me to take a big that has fundamentals, like that plays hard. Fuck if he can average 30. He can get up behind the floor. He plays hard, right? And the trader for a guard, Is he just a guard though? LaMelo?

I mean you have Kai. But he's not just a regular guard. Like he's not just somebody you can just be like. No. That's hard to coach, bruh. LaMelo? I'm just gonna be, hell fuck no. Who? Mello for KD?

Fuck no. K the winner. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. If you're, no, I'm saying no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. If you're, if you're, no, I'm saying, no, no, no. If you're Dallas. Oh, if you're Dallas. Yeah.

Yes. Who? K-Cunt? The number one pick for K. Yes, I would do that. Absolutely. But Detroit's not coming up on me. He moves the needle.

No, I'm just, that's what I'm saying. You would make that phone call. K moves the needle. Well, don't you think he fits where he at? No, I'm just saying if you're gonna trade for a point guard. If you was to trade, if you was to trade for somebody, would, would I? Yes. You said Lamello know that's hard to coach so I said Kate and he's like yes. Yes. Lamello hard to coach. The style. The style is hard to coach. Cooper fit in Detroit. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

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Dallas will look with Cade cutting him. Moving forward, yes. I'm a fan. If you can play Kade at that point. That's like getting Brandon Roy. Who's at the two right now in Dallas? Ah, it's tough. That's the problem. Play, play.

Yeah, that is the problem. You gotta ask that question. Play's gotta be the three. Play's the two, PJ Washington's a three. Oh, PJ Washington's a three. It will push Kade to the one, Kade to the two. Yeah, they need a shooting guard or something. No, I wouldn't trade them for the mellow.

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Yeah? Yeah. It's a collab. You know? A collab the people need. And before we go, Kane, you got something you'd like to say? Oh, yeah. no, man. Today, my anniversary.

Man wants to have an anniversary today. Yeah! Ha ha! Bro! You're the distinguished gentleman. Get some tonight, bro! Get some tonight! Bro, I'm scooping this shit up!

Oh, no! Just go see it! Bro, we're viewing everything, bro! You better have it out! She, she, when people say, like like people speak of their significant other, they say better half. Like, nah, she my better half, bro. Cause without her, listen, no one knows who this shit would be.

Like for the last 19 years. So. Yeah, you know, we would all been choked the fuck up by now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, we know. Can you trust us? We know. Oh, you know, she's definitely the voice of reason. No, she talks to me you trust us? We know. Oh, no, she's definitely the voice of reason.

No, she talks to me off the ledge daily, man. And if nobody can get to me, she can, because she's been around me the longest. Like 19 together, nine married, man. So it's, yeah. So she did a big deal with me. So before we got, so yeah. Before we got.

Before, yeah, beforehand, yeah. So happy anniversary, man I didn't even make it to I do Okay Oh, no, I didn't even make it I do Okay So this is if you ain't never been there man, like when you didn't put somebody through shit and they stuck though with you Oh listen, bro. Yeah, like we'll see no walk down the aisle and still to that point Smiling and she not just was willing to put up with me all that time. They can still marry me Yeah, oh man. I put so much shit on the table with this woman boy You can still marry me. Oh man. I put so much shit on the table with this woman boy

Man, but I still say I do man if you ain't listen dog. So yeah, well happy anniversary Yeah, appreciate everybody in the chapter pull up the show flawless dinner. Oh underdog wherever you go under dog with the car But this has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa, we will see y'all tomorrow.