Gil's Arena - Lakers Fans Are DESPERATE

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

Lakers Fans Are DESPERATE as they fall out of NBA Playoff contention without Lebron James. Gil's Arena is NOW LIVE. Every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Brought to you by Underdog Fantasy: Sign up here for a deposit match up to $100 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Look at us getting them upgrades. We got four people back now just playing. Got the legend Gilbert Arenas. We got Brandon Jennings. We got Rashad McCants. And Gil, I see you out here. You're stunting a little bit on us. Yeah, I got my doo-doo Brown on No, no, not not not the ex-nba player the the color this is the color doo-doo Brown, right?

Start now spicy Starting out spicy. Oh shit! Snoo-Doo Brown! It's smoke season. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. This is the color. We're talking about the color, not the player. So we got March Madness back. Sweet 16, baby. UCLA Gonzaga tonight. You got March Madness.

Good. You could be in Bruin. You could be in Bruin. You a Los Angelino. You could be in Bruin. Nobody else team is in there, man. So now, you know, jump on the Bruin. You a Los Angelino. Nobody else's team is in there, man. So now, you know, jump on the Bruin bandwagon. I got them underdog pickups cracking tonight, too.

Okay. But got to give you some love for yesterday. Your Steph Joker pickup came through. Should have listened. Hey, listen, I got a full $75 now. I was making all kinds of plays. You dove it up. You dove it up. You dove it up.

We see you out here cooking, Gil. And remember, if you want to get down with Underdog, make sure you sign up and use promo code GILSARENA, and they'll match your first deposit up to $100. I need to do that, too, so I can have a full 200. Multiple accounts. So I can have 200. So we had a pretty interesting night around the NBA last night, but we got to start with one of the more unusual moments that I can remember during that Warriors Mavs game

Wait, yes, awesome residual smoke coming through So Mavs were in their feelings after the loss to the Warriors they lost 127 125 the play in particular happened in the third quarter Mavs thought that it was their ball. They come after the timeout Warriors are all standing by the basket. They inbound it. Get the bucket. Mavs went on to lose by two points. It was a crazy game. You had Luka out there doing the money motion at the ref. He's going to break some breath for that. And then Shams reported that owner Mark Cuban was planning on filing a formal protest with the league about that third quarter play. So I want to ask y'all, do y'all think the Mavs have a shot of actually winning that protest? No.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, it was in the middle of the third quarter. What are they going to do? Play the whole game from the third quarter on? No, you lost. It's just one play. It's no different than a foul or a turnover that a ref got wrong. I mean, you know.

So we all watched that game. It definitely was confusing because it looked like he caught a Warriors ball. Yeah. Then he did the point the other way. But the ref said that he was calling a mandatory timeout, and it was a Mavs timeout, so that's why he was. But I feel like he could have angled that point more towards their bench and less towards.

So he was what? What did he do? He said. He said boop. Then he said what? What'd he do? He said, he said, boop. Then he said, boop. Then he said, do. So he was like, Warriors ball, Dallas timeout.

No, he said Dallas's ball. Was it Warriors timeout? No, no, Warriors ball. He pointed at the Warriors, but it looked confusing. Wasn't it at the crib? You know when they make the quick call too fast? It's like, this way. And it's like, oh no, no, my bad. This way. Oh, they're doing a little bit too much? Yeah the quick call too fast. It's like, this way.

And it's like, oh, no, no, my bad. This way. Oh, they're doing a little bit too much? Yeah, doing way too much. But they didn't make it clear, though. Right? Not clear enough according to Mark Dubin. At the end of the day, we watched the play, right?

It's not like Dallas was trying to take the fucking ball out because they were still in the huddle. Right? They were still in the huddle. Right? They're still in the huddle. So what are we talking about? It's not like y'all were down there to even have this discussion. You guys are sitting there, don't know what y'all was doing because there was no one near. So, I mean, how long is a ref going to – I mean, a ref could have said delay of game.

But it looked weird, though. But there wasn't delay of game. It did look weird. Oh, they did. Because all of the Warriors were right under the basket. So if you're on the Mavs at some point, like, damn, what are all these dudes sitting under the basket for? Maybe I should go investigate.

Maybe. They want to run it all back because they were stupid. I hate when something happens, they want to run the whole game back when it's the third quarter. Not the last play of the game, the third quarter. So that means you've got to run the whole third quarter plus it's the third quarter. Not the last play of the game. The third quarter. So that means you got to run the whole third quarter plus fourth quarterback. Luka did it twice. Oh, he hit him with that?

Twice. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. He's going to lose some of this. He's going to lose about 50, 75 of this right there. You think Mark is going to let him lose something for knowing what he knows about that game? Of course not. I like Luka for that. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's bold. That's I like Luca for that. That's bold.

Look at me talking a lot of shit. How do y'all feel just about Luca in general? I really enjoy seeing him out there talking shit like that. Getting in the ref's ass. Letting them know what it is. He's not your typical foreigner. Negro Tennessee. I think he's

a Negro Tennessee for sure. He's the only one that's talked shit for sure. Say nigga a couple times. He's the only one that's talked shit. He say nigga a couple times. He's the only one that's talked shit out of any other foreigner. At that level? At this level? No, yes.

Period. He don't have that quiet... No. No, he letting you know about it. Everything. Turk. Turkoglu used to talk some shit, a little bit. He let you know something.

Sleepy Turk? Nah. Sleepy Turk. Sleepy Turk.lu used to talk some shit, a little bit. He'd let you know something. Sleepy Turk? Nah. Sleepy Turk. Sleepy Turk. Where's Luka from again? Slovenia. Slovenia. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, of course.

Slovenia, I think Italy, maybe Spain then. Coming into the NBA talking shit. I mean, he was 19, EuroLeague Player of the Year, MVP. Like, that's big. I mean, he played against Boston Celtics when he was, what, 13? Yep. Yep, he was going at Russ when he was 18, 17, 16. Yeah, like he's been- Y'all played with a bunch of international players.

Who was the best shit talker amongst that crew of international guys that you faced? Who was the guy that surprised you with their ability to talk that shit? I'm just going to be honest with you. Most of them didn't even speak no motherfucking English. Did you ever wonder- I didn't understand shit no motherfucking English. Did you ever wonder? I didn't understand shit they was talking about. But then what if they was packing you up in their language?

I wouldn't know. They'd be cursing. I had a teammate in Washington, Alexi. I think his name was Alexi. Big boy. Yeah. He got pulled over, right? So they had to give him a ticket for not stopping.

So the police pulled him over, and they was like, yo, why didn't you stop? He said, because I didn't do nothing wrong. In my country, if we didn't do nothing wrong, we don't stop. They followed this motherfucker for like six miles because he wouldn't stop. I don't do nothing wrong. I don't stop.

No license, no nothing. I remember Alexi. It would have went a little different if it was anybody on this couch doing that. I'll just say that. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm rich. They don't fuck with rich people.

Don't fuck with rich people? Yeah, you're on your own with your side. But look, dude, they got- I'm getting there, dude. I'm rich as Jason. You got that on your license plate? I'm rich. Don't fuck with Richie. Yeah, you on your own, Josiah. But look, dude. I'm getting there, dude. I'm Richie Jackson. Do you got that on your license plate?

I'm rich. Don't fuck with me. Nah, they can feel it. They sense it. They sense it when it comes to the car. They start looking at the car license plate. They realize, you know. There's a nigga in there.

He's rich. Let's talk about the Mavs a little bit. Now, last week, Brandon, I believe that you said that you didn't think the Mavs would actually make the playoffs. They're ninth right now, tied with the Lakers, but they got the tiebreaker thanks to Maxie Clyburn hitting that bullshit three-pointer. Do you still feel that way about the Mavs and this Kyrie look experiment? Well, looking at their schedule, they got two winnable games. The next one, I think, is against Charlotte Hornets. So they should be able to get back in the hunt then.

But, I mean, I don't know, you know, you can't lose, you know, you got about seven, eight more games left in the West. So if you lose two in a row, you probably gonna kiss it goodbye at this point right now. They got two games against the Hornets and they're at Pacers, at Sixers, at Heat, at Hawks. Then they got the Kings back at home, Bulls at home.

And then they end the season with the Spurs game. So I feel like that- They got winnable, they got winnable games. They just can't, and then they end the season with the Spurs game. So I feel like that- They got winnable games. They just can't. The ones they need to win, they need to win. Hold on, let me do my math. Is it seven?

Eight, ten? I think nine. Six and three? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. That's trouble for these Lakers. They can pull. They can do seven, six and three.

I think they could do- Who did I have? Who did I pick? To do what? To do something. In life? If he picked Dallas, who did I pick? Oh, I think they could who do I have who did I pick to do what to do something? If you like if you pick Dallas, who do I pick? Oh, I don't remember you damn edibles. Oh Thursday

Into the week I'd be forgetting it. But let's let's talk a little bit about Kyrie Kyrie's birthday today. Happy birthday We're gonna give miss flowers. So I want to know your humble opinion. Does Kyrie have the most bop in NBA history? Yes Yes. Yeah, is it debatable? No, who's on the bop level of Kyrie? JC Jamal Crawford. Yes, sir. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well Crawford. Yeah Everybody's gonna say Allen Iverson, but no, he had the crossover.

And then when they took that away from him, it was just scoring. A couple moves here and there. Oh, Steve Francis. Steve Francis, yeah. Steve Francis, yeah. Steve Francis had that bop in his game. Barron had the bop, too. Barron had the bop.

Yeah, BD. We talked about BD this week. Jamal Tinsley? Nah. He was just a good-ass dribbler, bro. He could dribble that bitch. He could just dribble the shit out that ball. But Kyrie, the top of your guys list.

Yeah. Yeah. It's evolution. I mean, it's evolution. I mean, you know, the more you allow the player to explore his game, you know, he can, you know, even though you're talking about, like, you know, when people say the best dribblers and then they throw Isaiah Thomas in there, it's like, yeah, he was the best dribbler in the 80s. Don't get him started.

He was in the 90s and the 2000s. Don't get him started. Don't get him started. Did y'all see that shit? There was a video. Like, I hope y'all played it. He was doing a globe turn. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Take that old-ass basketball bullshit out here doing about yeah Pounding the ball like this. Come on. I got Bob. Just let it go on silent, but they but they don't play him Well, I like what bones Highland with the Nuggets got traded to the yeah, yeah the young kid But they put him they don't play him right now, but he got that. Jordan Poole got Bob. Jordan Poole got Bob, yeah. You're talking about Bones. The crazy thing about Bones, he was getting burned with the Nuggets, number one team, obviously, in the West. Goes to the Clippers.

Yeah. They bring in Westbrook, he kind of. Yeah, they got to play that young fella. Yeah. That kid is nice. Mm-hmm. That kid is nice. And he likes talking shit.

But it's the Clippers. You know the Clippers don't know how to. What do you think about D. Rose, Bob? He didn't likes talking shit. But it's the Clippers. You know the Clippers don't know how to... What do you think about D-Rose, Bob? He didn't have no Bob. He didn't have no Bob? No. It was just more stop and go. It was just stop, go, go. It was strong, too. It was strong. It was strong. Stop and go.

It wasn't like, no. Not no Kyrie. No, no, no. It was just... D-Wade? Nah. He didn't have no Bob? Usually guys who are really explosive and fast- Just get to their spot.

They just go. So even somebody like John Wall, he's using his speed more than the handle part. Even though he can dribble, it's just more just, I'm just gonna just go. Jason Williams. White chocolate? White chocolate. Yeah. Yeah, Bop. Bop Central. Chocolate? White Chocolate. Yeah.

Yeah, Bop. Bop Central. Bop, yeah. He had the hang dribble. Was it Kyrie Bop or was his passing the Bop? I think it was the- Is this IQ? I think the IQ.

And the mix of it. Yeah, it was the mix. It was all of it because it was like how he got there to the pass. It was like- It wasn't like Kyrie with the moves. His was just like all, you just see some shit like, damn, all right. He he'll come down between three point line. It's like he can pass. Fuck I was probably the first guy we seen makes footwork with the bot with the fucking go to his shit. Oh, I got Jason Williams story. White chocolate. So I get traded to Orlando, right? He hated Stan Van Gundy.

Oh, he hated that motherfucker. So oh, he hated him. Yeah, he don't like guys like us. Yeah, so we're in the practice, and they're just going back and forth, right? And he kept saying, Stan, the shit you trying to get, the ring, I got that sitting under my sink somewhere. Motherfucker, you ain't going to never get one of those walked out of practice Right and somehow he got the ball and I mean it was like at least 20 feet away just behind the back

No, look, it's just passing boom Hit him right in the chest pop. I'm like Damn, that was a hell of a pass Like forget that he like threw the ball at the coaches like yeah, that, that was a hell of a, he didn't even see that. He just, he just looked right at him. Boom. I got to say something about White Chocolate. Oh.

Like when he didn't rank Kobe in his top 10, I felt something, I felt a certain way about that. You know, Keith Vini, Bishop Keith Vini. That's what Jay, that's where Jay Will got will got his his game from they went to Marshall together. Hmm Vini was a monster. He gave him the whole bop the whole nine and I I didn't know until I knew He took it to hold no took it to the whole nother level That's Bob But that's what move Bob, yeah, but that that was like, we didn't see it though.

We didn't see it for a minute then. Kenny Anderson. Kenny Anderson, for sure. Yes. Rafer Austin? Or did they try to kill his bop? They killed his bop. He was different.

He was different. I know you want to get to the move, but you got to go. I do not. I know he got to fly somewhere because he wants to watch it. I do not. Sorry, ASHA, CLA. We going to finish this. They going to lose anyway. Fuck you and your team. TheyU-CLA. We're going to finish this. They're going to lose anyway.

They're going to lose. Why do you think we keep dragging this shit? The direct deposit is already here, so I'm enjoying this shit. Keep it going. The reason he made it is because he played basketball. Yeah. People don't understand the difference between a hooper and a basketball player. A hooper is outside, and that's his game.

A basketball player understands basketball. Yep. Right? outside and that's his game. A basketball player understands basketball. Raphael Austin was a basketball player that played streetball. Not a streetballer trying to play basketball. When you see his moves, it wasn't all these carries

and it was just illusion type of game. That's why it was easy for him to make the NBA versus everybody else. When he was out on the street He knew how to entertain the crowd there obviously when he was in the league He knew it was gonna be a different thing He's gonna get hated on wasn't really gonna be able to bring a lot of that stuff to the game So it seemed like he got brain in both worlds though. Right for Austin should have a ring but

You know stand there and then Gandhi man, man You look at all the other street ballers though. They couldn't translate and You know, Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy.

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Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van Gundy. You like why y'all can't come out here and hoop with us the whole different. Yeah, oh different game. What? bone could have Don't know he had to be carrying that the now his little his little Hesi. Yes jerky

Here some ankles off, but who's the ball he's tearing off everybody niggas was playing at LA Fitness No, no, no, that's today 2005 talking about back then. Oh, he's a different mom six that he He'll be under the basket Still get you Like you feel like where you supposed to shoot this lady Well, he be 10 more. He was 10 like like we're seeing the older guy that 2005 six I

Was like man, I'm lucky he didn't leave my I'm fouling them out about a tape my god. Yeah, you would have feared him. Yeah You had to reset you like you gotta respect the moving it's it's just a combination of Speed explosive in the pullback. Yes. You know, in NBA, if you have one move, like John Moran, he does the same, he's going to come, but it's because he's moving so fast and he's moving so much power, it's really hard to... Even if you try to jump it and he pulls back, you're flying. And it's embarrassing when you get... They can shake you.

Yeah. I think people actually play it and understand that. You know what's the craziestop before Kyrie though? I would have to say Sebastian Telfair. My man. He did? Bassie? In high school?

Oh, that threw the fire. His bop was crazy. I think he was the first one to me. I played with Bassie. He was a fashion hack. I seen him in the NBA, so by the time he got there, I didn't really... He didn't have all that. He just played the game.

High school, though? Oh. And he had to pass, too. Bop wouldn't – Yeah. They colonized his bop when he came to the league. Yeah. How about Wagner?

Were you Wagner's around that time? I was. You was Wagner's? I just seen a little bit of clip of Wagner in high school. They said he was unbelievable. Yeah. They said his bop was like – he had 100 points in high school, right? Yeah, and I was fourth.

He was a 6'3.5 AI. No, no, no. Stop that. 6'3.5. Stop, stop. Come on, man. Stop. Bring it down a little bit.

Hit the bop. Bring it down a little bit. Hit the bop. 100 points. Bring it down. The height. Bring down the height. He was 6'3.

No, no, no. Bring down the height. He was 6'1. 1. Juan, he was not 6'1. 6'1. 6'1. 6'3". No, no, no. Bring down the height. He was 6'1"? One. Juan, he was not 6'1". 6'1", 6'2", at best. At best.

We're going to give him 6'2". All right, you give him 6'2", with the shoes on. 6'3", too much? Too much? It's too much? It's too much? All right, got you. All right, fellas, keep this thing moving.

We got to talk about some dudes who are cooking currently. We got a little hibachi time for you, Gil. Okay. Hibachi time! And there better be a black player. Black adjacent. Black adjacent. You already got invited to the backyard boogie.

I just want y'all to know, since y'all have apologized to Austin Reeves, you guys were misguided. It's okay. It happens. It happens in life. I appreciate y'all being the bigger men, stepping up and owning it. The Lakers are 1-0 since that moment. So I'm going to attribute this winning streak to you gentlemen.

But Austin Reeves was out there cooking last night. I ain't apologized to shit. But you weren't here. Yeah, I know. You're not ready yet? I was cussing y'all ass out on the screen. You're not ready? What? Stop it. Austin, what? 50 million? He can't get four for $50?

In this NBA climate? Chandler Parsons. No, that's $425 in our era. Chandler Parsons. $425. Is he worth $425? Yeah. Yeah.

Inflation. He is? $425? Yeah. In your generation? Yeah, $425. So that's He's still in 425. He's still in that force of over 50 to two for seven You don't think anybody would give him for a look at this look

Because look they ended up doing a one-year to Two meal three year like these are things like I look back at those players got cheated from certain contracts and I'm like, Austin Reeves, four, nah. Francisco Garcia got that shit. You know what I'm saying? The 68 percenters are going to support it though. I know, but y'all giving it to him because one, he white and one, he playing with the Lakers and they trash.

So it's like, if the Lakers ain't trash, he ain't playing. We're giving it to him. He's scoring 30. So it's like if the Lakers ain't trash he ain't playing we're giving it to her 30 25 11 last night against the Suns got inserted to the starting lineup He's starting to look like Jeremy Lin a little bit. He's averaging 30 points in his last two games had that 35 piece Yeah, starting to get a little mojo going there. They call it MVP in the first five Chance for Lakers and MVP for that team. Yes delusional and we going to talk about the Lakers fan base in a little bit, but we know that it takes a lot for them to get on board and roll with you. They desperate right now. No.

But he's delivering. They're fighting. The Lakers are fighting. They're fighting. They're desperate. They're like, for real. I'm not saying desperate like we're the fucking Clippers, bro. Don't do that. I'm not. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to go that far. We did Clippers or something. But the fact that y'all calling them MVP is is a little bit of desperation No Gratitude But he's hoping he's hoping who games. Um, do you see what we have out there around with me?

Stop me. Do you see what we have been more than two guys? Come on, really? We go to copy a His new name is AR-15. Oklahoma, I think, started Wichita State. Bam. Wichita State. Wichita State to Oklahoma. Undrafted.

I ain't going to slander. Look, I ain't no one to slander. I just feel some type of way, you know, 50, you know, Chandler talking about giving more. And I'm like, boy. They're going to try to fuck the Lakers. Somebody's going to give them more. It's kind of like Caruso situation, but more magnified. Somebody's come in and be like we're gonna we're gonna force your hand Laker Cuz we know if you keep them then y'all gonna get got on that third or fourth. What does Caruso get?

Caruso I forget but it was like a 10 10 to 15 million disparity between four year 30 was it for your let's pull it up Yeah, 30 something like that. Yeah I mean for you 54 year 30, that's a big difference. Their game is big difference. How? Because one, he can shoot. He got four for 37, basically. He can get 50.

I know, he's getting 50. And he got a 30-something point game? Yeah. That's on my resume. And he's, how tall is he, 6'6"? I feel like Caruso did more. No, no, no. I used to feel like, I'm going to be honest. I used to feel the same way.

It was hard for me to transition from Caruso to Austin Reed. What is Caruso doing up in Chicago? To Austin Reed. Who was Caruso playing with when he was with the Lakers? One is a point. One actually can pass the ball like an actual point guard. So when I said that he plays like LeBron likes him because he kind of plays like LeBron, y'all looked at me like I was crazy.

Facts. So I'm like, that's the reason why he's saying it now. Because he's out there playing. Why you think you on that side now? LeBron like. That's why I'm like, yo. You used to be on this side. And I was like, oh, he needs to be drunk.

Put him on that side. Austin Reeves? Come on, man. You end up being right. You end up being right. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. So, you drew the LeBron comparison, but you don't think the four for 50? No.

Because you've got to be consistent. You don't just have three games and you get paid. He's had more than three games. He's had more than three games. Yeah, they had 21 minutes worth of fucking highlights of this guy. Hour. An hour. An hour.

So not even 21 minutes. I mean, you're getting busy. Lord, you're getting real busy. But they're highlighting passes. His assists. Come on, you're getting busy. Lord, you're getting real busy. But they highlighting passes. His assists. Yeah. Come on, man. Get the fuck out of here.

That's a swing swing. You don't get no highlight for that. You don't get no damn highlight for no swing swing. So, Darvisham inserted him in the starting lineup, got the dub. Got to ask y'all, if and when LeBron comes back, should Reeves stay in the Lakers starting lineup? I mean, he was starting when Russell was here, so you might as well. I mean, whatever the chemistry is at that point.

I mean, if the chemistry is with him playing and he's doing well, then yeah, why not? Ain't no slander this side. You think he can keep this up? I mean, if he do, he do he gonna be work way more than 50 Yeah, you know being that 70 80 Then the pressure zone. Yeah, they gonna put them. It's they gonna put them on a bench Because you know the bench you're capped

You're capped off as a bench player. So it's not not skill level but trying to keep him on contract Six players is the you be you a six man. You are capped off from a certain amount. Yep. So I'm going to be real. Reeves has been getting a lot of hate from around the league. Who? Austin Reeves. Oh.

Last Austin Reeves question. Just say AR-15. AR. I'm a man of peace, guilt, and tranquility, but I'll give it to you, sure, sure. AR-15. Got him to say it. AR-15.

Got him to say it. I need you to remember in exchange. I'll give you AR-15. I need two you got to remember in exchange. So he's been drawing a lot of criticism from around the league because he's been getting to the line a lot. I think he went to the line 18 times against the Magic, 13 against the Suns. Saw Monte Williams, a little disappointed with that Foster freeze with the 46-20 free throw disparity. But that's Scott Foster.

You already know. You already know what's going down. Even D'Lo said it coming to timeout Scott Foster be with us But let's talk about the bigger conversation about quote-unquote foul baiting Right a lot of people bitch about foul baiting saying doesn't belong in the game. It takes away from the entertainment of the game But for me, there's definitely art to drawing fouls. Mm-hmm I mean we think it look back at Kobe Kobe Kobe used to scream, hey, every time he shot in an attempt to trick the refs into giving him a foul.

I had no problem with it, I appreciated it. So how do y'all feel about foul baiting and do you think it's really bad for basketball? Me personally, since I was a guy who, who got a lot of fouls. This is the only thing I don't like about outside fans making comments. You don't spend the summer with us, us offensive players who's reading rule books,

who's watching game film, right? We're watching habits of defenders. So if I'm sitting there the whole summer paying attention to what, like, you know, let's say Kawhi Leonard is the best defender, right? And I'm trying to figure out how to bait him. What does he go for? Does, you know, if I go right and step back, which hand is he leading with? Right?

So as an offensive player, it's elite thinking, just like a defensive player. You're not going to foul bait like a Draymond Green. If you get Draymond Green on the foul, you really sold it. The Kawhi Leonard's, the Gary Payton's, the Jordan's, those guys are the elite of the defense, right? So you're not going to get these stupid little fouls on them. Stop rewarding dumb players for falling for it.

So if I come and I look up and he jumps and I jump into him, it's a foul. Tell the stupid ass to sit on the ground. That's his fault. So you're trying to reward. You're trying to take away the genius of a player

making the defense do something that they don't supposed to do. If I'm driving and your hand is there and I hook it and catch it, that's your problem. Like, don't penalize me because you got your hand caught in the cookie jar. Absolutely. And that's the only problem I have. What was the last time you seen a defensive player at the park or the gym working on slides?

Boxing out, trying to box out the right way. Slides. No, they don't. They don't work on their game. So why are you penalizing me for working on mine? You think Rudy Goldberg spends hours and hours watching offensive player making layups and he's trying to figure out how he rolls it off his... No, he don't do none of that shit

Dennis Robin was probably the only person we ever heard of where he has sit and watch Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen shoot and he's Watching how to rebounds go so he knows how to jump you never heard no other player Defensively talk about their defensive training in the summer. So if they're not gonna work as hard as the offense fuck them talk about it Hmm. I've got B what you got I'm with that right there 100 working on my game training in the summer. So if they're not gonna work as hard as the offense, fuck them. Talk about it. I gotta be. What you gotta be. I'm with that right there, I'm 100. Working on my game, that's on you.

Like that's on you. Yeah. I mean, I just think the fan perspective of it, and like you said, a lot of these fans haven't actually hooped, like that's the point. Like if I got you guarding me, I wanna get your ass in foul trouble. So I'm gonna try and trick the ref

because there's only three of them, they can only see so many angles. So you talked about the slap when you hit the layup. I want to make it sound like it because if I can trick him into calling that foul that's going to give my team an advantage. Yeah, you remember when Michael Jordan used to do this? That's what we thought that was like the foul. So you know you start working on AA and start doing shit like that.

If the ref is that dumb, don't blame me. Man, listen. Gil was probably the best when I was playing. When you're talking about fearing somebody to play against, and it wasn't so much about his bop and speed. It was how to stay out of fucking foul trouble with this motherfucker. Like, he's coming at you full speed. You can't slide left, can't slide right, and get in front of him to take the charge because

he was so slippery. Then he would take off and dive on the big man. Boom. It was like, yo, you can't stay in the game because back then it wasn't a lot of flopping, right? I think more what you're talking about in reference to this type of culture is the flopping. Like Trae Young do a lot of flopping. Okay, I don't think he's doing the studying of, you know, how did he just,

when I get into your body, I'm a flop and I'm gonna get it. But there's, like you said, the genius behind understanding, watching this film, breaking this shit down, like, oh, okay, when he's on the right side of me, he don't really move too quick laterally that way. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do the Euro step here. That's the genius part that we take real seriously. And that's why I was telling Gil, you got to be a great defender to be a great offensive

player. You got to be able to read the defense to the point where, I know how to get my fouls, because I'm not looking at this guy in front of me. He don't fucking exist. It's the mother four guys, who's gonna help once I get past him? Okay, if he's really being a fucking gnat in my ear

right now, I know how to get this foul off him. He got his hand in the cookie jar, gotcha. That's all like, it's the beautiful part of the offensive game that the refs have to understand elite level thinking. We not just out there throwing shit around, hoping for shit. I think Luka's a genius in that sense where he get motherfuckers to, found me, found me. James was too, James Harden. James.

Yeah, you throw the ball, people are ball watchers. James. Yeah, you throw the ball. People are ball watchers, right? So if you throw the ball out there, a player's going to look. As soon as they reach for it, he pulls up. Gotcha. Like, we played against, like think about guarding, trying to, you're playing against Shaquille O'Neal, right? Your big man ain't going to get him in foul trouble.

So who got to do that? Me. All right. Yep. So now I got to try to figure out how to get this man in three fouls before the halftime without actually physically being hurt. Enough to argue. So now you're sitting there trying to figure. Now I got to watch games on how this man moves.

Yes. So I know his first foul. So now this is where, like where fans really got to understand. When we're playing against the Lakers or Miami, I know Shaq's first foul is going to be his most aggressive foul. Yes. His defense was, I'm going to hack you so hard that you don't want to come in here anymore.

Send a message. So now I got to take the first hit, knowing that, okay, I'm going to get the first one on him, right? Knowing this first one's going to be hard. So the a Quran one of us got a going this month Okay, this first one on them. I'll get at least the third one, right? So we're trying to hope that he get an offensive out into my third one. It was always this Wait till he's when he when they pass the ball up and they're trotting down He's trying down the court looking getting ready to go post up. Standing right in front of him.

Boom. Like, hey ref, ref, ref. And I got to give him two, three steps and then just let him run over offensive. What does that feel like? Huh? Painful, huh? Yeah. Yeah, but you know, so little things like that, that's me.

That's us watching the game. Like they changed the rule because of me and Dwyane Wade. So if you was inside the circle, if there was contact, it was a foul. So there'll be some times where like if a player, like someone who has like two fouls and we need him out of the game to open up the floor, instead of just going for the layup, I'm just going to run right into him. He's in the lane. If you fall on the floor, instead of just going for the layup, I'm just going to run right into him. He's in the lane.

If you fall on the floor, if you fall on the floor and I see you fell on the floor, I'm going to dribble like I'm calling play and run right over you. You're not in defensive position. Foul! Get your stupid ass out. Should have rolled, motherfucker. Stop dropping the roll. You should have rolled out of the back. But those are the things that

offensive players are looking at. Right? If I know I'm driving and Chris Paul and I see you're not looking and I stop in front of you, right, and then fall, they're starting to call that offensive foul. Why are you calling offensive foul? Because he's stupid. He's stupid.

Like, tell him to be aware. Where's your aware? Where's everyone's awareness? Obviously, the point guard is having to wear this. The office is aware of everything that's going on, but you're giving them, you're penalizing them for being smarter than the defense. And you look at rotation. Like, if you're a smart player, you know there are rotations that has to happen.

And this is a, these kids got to understand basketball a little bit more because when you got rotations like Shaq, take Shaq for example, you got the weak side pick and roll, boom, boom, boom, action, swing. If you driving and you know Shaq got to come across, you know this might be an easy foul. He got to do two things. He got two fouls. He got to let me go or he got to foul me.

And depending on the culture or whatever organization he playing playing for, take that foul, Shaq. Or we need you in the game, big fella. Yep. Let him go. So now if you give, shit, I got six easy points for this quarter because I know Shaq came foul. That's where 1-4 came from. Like, if I'm a coach, if you're a coach in this NBA and you're taking your best player

out at the three minute mark, you're stupid. You're a stupid coach because obviously you just learned that shit from another coach. It's been taught. You didn't actually think and challenge, why do you do this? You're just following

what another coach did. I'm not taking my best player out at the three-minute mark when we're in the penalty. When the other coach is subbing in fresh new pieces, that means they're not ready to play. They're in the penalty, so they can't touch

you. They touch you, it's a foul. They pick up foul. You can, my best player, hey, play Tasmanian basketball at this point. Try to get six, seven free throws in this last three minutes, but they. My best player, hey, play Tasmanian basketball at this point. Try to get six, seven free throws in this last three minutes, but they take their best player out, the most aggressive player goes on the bench, you sub in, right? These subs are cold as fuck, right?

So they spending the three minutes sitting there stretching this shit, passing the ball around, trying to get warm for the second quarter. Stupid. Stupid basketball. And Kevin McHale used to tell us, you know, I ain't really a big fan of him, but, you know,

he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, for sure. He used to talk about how him and Larry used to talk before the first quarter started, hey, look, the one thing we want to do

is get them in the bonus for the end of the first quarter. So now, we literally are on cruise control. We got their good players on the bench

in the first quarter. So now, the second, third, fourth quarter, they got to all be cautious. Yep. Because you want to stay in the game at least. So that's our advantage is to be able to put guys in. It's, like you said, the first three minutes of the game, everybody's in cruise control except for the elite players who know.

I'm about to go at all y'all here this first three minutes. Yep. Y'all got to put your motherfucking boots on. And if you're not, you're coasting. Ah, man, I'm just warming up. Not Kobe, not Gil, not certain guy, Chuck, AI. We going 100%. You know who was like that? Corey Maggette. I was about to say Corey. I played with Corey Maggette. He used to get to the free throw line 10, 11 times a game.

Same move. Same move. Right hand, handoff. He used to throw the game down, but he was so good at it. He used to get to the free throw line 10, 11 times when he played with me in Milwaukee. Same move. Coming straight. He just comes from the top and is going to the elbow.

He used to come off the bench and then, like you said, them subs that come in, wasn't ready, get right to the line. He'd run you over. Every time, yeah. His pump fake will take your chin off. Now you think about a player like Lou. See, people don't understand. When you're an offensive player you can see someone's game who's perfecting something So he comes in last three minutes

Penalty now think about his game Bob Hmm, he's gonna spend three minutes just trying to get to the free throw line. Yeah. Yeah So why he's in a penalty now every time you touch him He's getting rewarded. True. And that was part of his skill. I'm going to get rewarded for what the starters did.

And then when the beginning of the second quarter starts, he just plays regular basketball. And it saves the wear and tear for him. He could probably still play another five more years because he never really

wear and tear on his body. He got to the free throw line most of the time. Let's keep this Hibachi his body. He got to the free throw line most of the time. Let's keep this Hibachi time moving. We got to talk about Jimmy Butler. Dropped 35, nine assists, four steals against the Knicks. Big Eastern Conference matchup. So we got to talk about these heat a little bit.

Number one in the Southeast division, won seven to ten, but they're currently the seventh seed, which means they'd be in the playing. So back during the height of your careerall careers, the old format, right? If you won that division, you got one of those top three seeds, you were guaranteed a home series. So they're 40 and 34. They would be a three seed for winning the Southeast division in that old scenario. So I just want to ask you, I'll start with you, Brandon.

Does winning a division mean anything now anymore? No, not now. But when I first came in, it did. I was in the Midwest, the Central Division. So that was me. That was the Bucks. We had the Cavs, Bulls, Detroit, and Pacers. So we were like, we were always top three.

And that was like one of our goals was like, they always had it like, yo, win our division. Yo, we're going to be good. We're going to get a nice, you know, a nice spot, home court advantage. So that was just like our goals the first two years coming in was to, you know, just try to be one in our division. But now I don't think so. It don't matter because with the playing games, it kind of just, you know, it kind of just defeats the purpose now.

Is that a competitive thing, though, you think? Like the reason it don't really matter no more is because the competition is on one side compared to just in each individual division because like like your division we had similar divisions and Denver was in our division and if we didn't beat Denver two out of the four times we knew it's like oh we ain't gonna got a chance at a playoff so you think it's like more of a competition yeah yeah yeah that's yeah I'm glad you said it like that because that's that's what. It was like, man, damn, they got us this many times. We know we ain't going to get them in the playoffs

because you just have that mindset because your whole goal was to win the division. Like you're trying to win the division. But, yeah, we had, I mean, LeBron, D-Rose. We had Danny Granger in them at the Pacers. Detroit was kind of falling off a little bit. So, yeah, we had to hoop. Yeah, I don't think we had to hoop. Yeah, I don't even,

I don't think we won a division. Never, the whole time. Still made it to the playoffs. Oh, no, no.

Oh, relax. We was nice. We just didn't win a division. Who was in our division? Back in the day? No,

because we had Miami. I'm pretty sure Miami was in our division. Yeah, I couldn't beat Wade for shit. Was it Charlotte, Miami? No, it just sucked.. I'm pretty sure Miami was in our division. Yeah, I couldn't beat Wade for shit. Was it Charlotte, Miami? No, that just sucked.

Orlando? Orlando and Miami. It was just Miami. Orlando was good then. Yeah, it was. 07? Orlando was good. 07?

Dwight? 06, 07, Dwight. Yeah. 07. That's them. That's later on. Before that, it was Shackner. We couldn't...

What y'all think about teams hanging division championship banners in their arena? Still today? I think they should stop that. Division? Yeah, they got to take that down. Take that down. A division champ?

Take that down. That is a JV. That is JV. Or you have PG making the comment that he hung banners when he was with the Pacers, and everybody was like, huh? What banners? Division championship. Division champ! Do you get a ring for it?

You just said five minutes ago. No, back then. We was trying to. No, back then. Back now? You said they're hanging them now? I'm just asking, what do you think about it? Like, thinking back then.

Oh, back then, yeah, it meant something. But now, no, I hope not. Now. That's like a college banner, like, for. Sweet 16, we made the tourney. We made the tourney. So, does that mean, like, they call you back? Like, hey, the Central Division champs are back this week.

I was not coming back. Don't invite me back. Don't invite me back. It was like 80s, 90s. That used to really mean something. Like, when my pops played 80s, 90s, that used to really mean something. When my pops played with the Bucks, they used to really, oh, we won a division. Did you see when the Phoenix Suns brought back the Suns championship, I mean, the finals team in 95 or whatever, 96, for what?

Why are y'all bringing them back? They didn't win it. We got that far. They were the second best team in the league. We got that far. We didn't win it. So what, are we celebrating for losing? Yeah. Now they're going to do that again with the sons of a 2000

Yeah, so we so we celebrate in second place now I'm that's what it's now I hope not that's what it sounds like What do you support the division the division champ banners? Listen? I don't have none. So if you give me one more for Give me one I'm gonna take it I love all my Miami For five straight years So last but not least Gotta tell you saw the sweatshirt guy came with the theme today. You see the thing. Oh, yeah Okay, theme show gotta talk about job jobs back with the Gri today. Let me see the theme. Oh, yeah. Okay. Theme show. Got to talk about Ja. Ja's back with the Grizzlies.

Made his first appearance to the team since March 3rd on Wednesday night. Dropped 17. Five assists, four rebounds, 24 minutes. Was a team high, plus 11.

I don't really give a fuck about plus minus, but I know some people do out there. But here's the thing. He came off the bench. And when he came off the bench, it was to a standing ovation.

Grizzlies head coach Taylor Jenkins said that Ja may be coming off the bench for a few more games. So I want to ask y'all, we'll start with you. What are your thoughts on Ja? It was his first time not starting in his career. I don't like that shit. I don't like that shit either. What's that coach's name?

Taylor Jenkins. Taylor Jenkins? Yeah, so look, I'm going to just go ahead and let Taylor Jenkins know. Listen, when your contract's up, you fired. You're gone. Because I'm telling you this right now. If you think Ja really appreciates coming off the bench, being who he is, and you're going to keep your job, boy, you better go to rehab too, my man.

I'm telling you right now, you're not going to just... I'll do it the first time. Is it coming from the up top? I don't give a fuck who it's coming from. Yeah. When my contract's up or your contract's up, one of us got to go. Shit. Am I wrong?

How long are you going to... You've been starting this whole time. You're the franchise. How long are you coming off the bench? Man, I mean... The first game. First game. And after that, no, you know... the bench? Man, I mean, the first game. First game, and after that, no, you know. We had fun. Okay, this was good.

I need to hear my name, though. I need to hear my name. First game, so you can get that nice ovation. He's back. In the dark night mask, like, he's back. They was talking about sending him to the G League for a warm-up game. All right. The audacity. Who said that? Who said that? The Grizzlies.

Nah, nobody said that. That was probably Skip Bailey. They took a picture with him holding a jersey. They said, well, John May, think about doing a tune-up game. I said, what? Excuse me? Nah. Listen, listen, listen.

Excuse me? Coach is done. That coach is done. Yeah. He thought he was cool for doing that shit, too. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he said, we're going to show them that we ain't going to risk. All right.

So he needs to hit us with a psych. Listen, he needs to be starting the next game. Yeah. So I would just fuck him up. He needs to be starting the next game. He said multiple games? It may have been maybe an option to have him come off the bench. All right.

I'll keep my eyes open. All right. I hope you find a job in the G League, because you ain't going to be coaching us no more. Let's keep this job thing moving. Some think that Ja's suspension was too light. Do you think the NBA and the Grizzlies handled this the right way? Who the fuck said that?

Who said it? Who said it? Who said it? Who said it? Who said it? I ain't no snitch. Gil, you're familiar with the human being. You guys face each other in a national championship game. I know snitch Gil you're familiar with the human being

You guys face each other in national championship game We'll keep this March Madness thing Oh shit uh oh Bicycle the motorcycle Bandit the motorcycle bandit Hey listen If you tell me his crime Then I can agree with you

Right I don't want to hear alleged Oh he allegedly did this he allegedly did that Those are not crimes If you tell me his crime, then I can agree with you. Right? I don't want to hear alleged. Oh, he allegedly did this. He allegedly did that. Those are not crimes. Right? Allegedly.

Oh, he alleged. Like, no, we don't do speculation. What is the crimes for getting more games? Right. If they have no weapon, right, we already know that. If he did, it's still a two-game suspension. That's it. You can't give him no more.

I mean, you know, don't get mad that, you know, your career was lost, right? Now you want to be bitter and, you know, try to take everybody down with you. That's not what we're going to do. Two games was the most he can get. They gave him eight. The NBA, I should sanction the fuck out of them.

What did he say, though, exactly? It don't matter. He came out of his mouth. Jay said some bullshit, didn't he? Always. He done said some bullshit. Not always. I'm feeling like sometimes when these guys say the bullshit, it's like they don't go back and listen to the other bullshit that they said defending other players.

Because Jay was defending Kyrie against Stephen A. basically saying, don't be bashing the brother. You want him, you trying to put him under the, and it's like, now you doing it to a brother. And you like, oh, he should be gone for the whole season. The rest of the, come on, man. Now you so, I mean, the behavior should, there's a consequence to it. Eight games. Two games. Two games and it's eight.

Now it's like, okay, you're talking about the whole season. Now you're putting rhetoric out there, you're putting a narrative out there that a guy like this got to pay for whatever he did. You got to pay for it. I think in Josh's defense, we just got to wait and see. Wait and see what? I'm just saying, if there's any, if these alleged issues turn from unalleged to actually happen But but what I'm saying is

I'm saying at this point let the man play because he went to was an LA fit. No was it The finish line is not what's and I mean get a finish line and did anybody get beat up? No, so he can't pull up to the finish line threaten Nobody but to be rude. It's part of the not rules. They closed a footlocker. So finish line might be okay So now you know you might be Fight at his house. How do you prove that? Is he say she say yeah, there's a parade up in my city Sorry brought a daughter out. So he did it. He did it.

Skip tried to hate. Then he came with the daughter. I'm glad he did that. That was beautiful. That was a beautiful moment. Shut up, Skip. When you think about him saying it, it seems like it's a team thing. Like that's their team motto.

You're trying to make it something else. It's the team motto. They all say it. They all do it. It's their thing. They're just trying to downplay him. They're said, they all do it. It's their thing. They're just trying to downplay them. They're just trying to keep them down.

Keep them down. Where is that coming from, though? Like, this whole humble, like, humble you. I don't know. I feel like that's how, like, it was with me in Milwaukee when I first came out. Like, remember I had the Gumby at the high top? Like, I was marketing myself, right? I was loud, like, you know, just being me. And I just remember, like, getting told from my agent,

Bill Duffy, at the time, that it was like, you know, they think you're bringing a lot of tension on yourself. Like, you might need to calm it down just a little bit. And I'm just being me. And it just, like, you know, it just kind of just, like, it just kind of made me feel like I couldn't be me anymore. So I started walking on edge shelves a little bit young. Like, you know, when you hear that,

you don't want to hear that when you're young. I just, I'm having fun. Like, if I want to do my hair seven different times, if I want to, you know, when you hear that, you know I hear that when you young I just I'm having fun Like if I want to do my hair seven different times if I want to you know I'm doing commercials to underarm or this and that it was just like well look like you're you know It's all about you and it's like well, I can't help it like it is like Who I've got an underarm or doing it. I'm like we got ESPN games ABC ABC games because of me Yeah, yeah, like that's this is my that's like this is my time makes it never makes sense like That's why I say I want to have I rather have the relationship with the owner

Like am I am I putting money in your pocket? Yes. Tell them other ones to shut the fuck up. All right Tell the rest of them shut the fuck all right Gil gonna do what Gil do. All right. I'm making you money That's all I care about. I make you money You make me money everybody in between us. We can get them fired It's not your job to bring like you got your Under Armour deal for what you did, right? Mm-hmm. They want to celebrate you. They want to bring attention to a small-market franchise You think they would embrace that because that was one of my favorite things about you was the hair every time see you Yeah, he was rocking a new style fire and we was rolling with that

Like I have because the McDonald's all-american game Jordan game like I was already doing it So it's like so now I gotta calm myself down like it's always team It's always team until them checks or the cut. All right, my my checks say I can do it the fuck I want to do My voice is bigger than your voice That's how we gonna sit here and play this one. If we were supposed to be all about team, then we should all be paid the same. Since we're not, I'm going to go out there and make it about me. You was iconic, though, man.

When you was doing what you was doing, it was so never seen before. Did it affect your play? Like as far as the eggshells and like when you going out there now knowing that your agent and already hit you like, hey, look, looking at you sideways now. Well, yeah, because, you know, like after the 55 and just coming in with the green light, it was like, OK, well now like, OK, now, OK, well, what vet is hating on me? Like, you know, I'm saying like, who's the one? You? No, dude. Yeah, let me make sure he get the ball like, you know, it was just always like alright Like let me not do this. Let me do this or whatever. So it was just like I don't know I just didn't it was just like alright. Well, I got to play the game. I guess let me not do my hair Let me just you know, like let me just lose my like I lost a lot of my swag

Yeah, like, you know now I'm back like now I feel like I can be me because can't nobody tell me what to do. Right. And that's, you can see it. Yeah. Michael Red must have gotten to one of the best guys soon because young fella ain't doing what young fella was doing early. You know, like, or whoever's at the top telling Scott Scowls or whatever. So, you know, it's all that. So, you know, young hearing that, it's like, I don't want to hear that.

Like, we cooking right now. We winning. Could you sense that at all in the locker room though? I mean, not really. I mean, guys were kind of to themselves a lot. I used to hang with Kurt Thomas and Jerry Stackhouse, so they didn't really. Those were my dogs at the time. But other than that, it was just kind of like, you know.

That's the weird part of the NBA. You never know who the fuck is hating on you. Yeah. And it's the guy that you never thought would be hating. That's hating. I mean, you got to care at some point. At some point. Because it's affecting your play.

I mean, I cared because I was young. So I didn't want to. Remember, like, you know, Michael Redd's still playing with me. Andrew Bogue is still there. You know, there's a lot of guys still there. And then, you know, I'm playing with Steven Jackson one year. Then Monte Ellis is coming in. So it's like I'm still trying to learn how to, you know what I'm saying,

kind of like make it work. But also after my rookie year, there's no Kurt Thomas, there's no Jerry Stackhouse. So I don't have that vet in my ear telling me or guiding me where to go. So it's just like I'm kind of lost at that point. But to your point, that's the wild thing. Because I remember when I was young, I'd read articles, and they'd say this player is a cancer in the locker room, whatever.

And I would just take it at face value. Like, damn, why would you write an article if it wasn't true? Yep. But then you see the way the agents, players, execs, all that maneuvering and back-channeling. Saw it a lot with Trey earlier in this season. Yeah. You know, oh, he's this, he's that, he's whatever. So I always want to know, how is that like for y'all to have to see shit like that in a paper,

and then go into this organization, like, well, who the fuck is the one that's saying this about me? Because it seems like it's a lot like entertainment. Everybody will smile in your face. We love you, but behind your back, like, oh, he's an asshole. He's different. Well, I think for me, they knew I had a mouth, so I was going to say how I felt. So whoever it came from, I was going to let it be known that I knew. So whatever it was, I was going to say something smart.

Because they knew I wasn't mature enough to play the game So I was gonna speak how I felt but because I felt like well all this attention wouldn't been here if it wasn't for me Mmm, so everybody's paying attention to the Bucks because of me. Mmm Before then nobody's watching Milwaukee Bucks. Nobody even cared to watch him So I started that so, you know, my attitude was just like that young I Was gonna billboard I'm gonna billboard. So I'm know, my attitude was just like that young. I was on a billboard. I'm on a billboard, so I don't give a fuck what y'all talking about. I don't care what y'all talking

about. Gilbert ain't passing the ball. Man. Tell that to coach. Sub me out. They're going to sub me out. How are we going to do this? And then I had Larry Hughes, who thought the same way, too. So, coach, pick your poison. Eddie, Eddie Jordan, pick your poison. Come on, Eddie. Like I muscleman my second year, I'm averaging about 19, six and six. You know,

all I see is money. I'm on 300,000, but the bag is coming. The bag, I can see the bag. I can see the bag. I can see it. So they started fucking with my time, three minutes, two minutes. They started playing like this. So I boycotted practice, right? Boycott. I can see it. So they started fucking with my time. Three minutes, two minutes, they started playing like this. So I boycotted practice, right? Boycott. I ain't going to practice. What do I need to practice for? How could you do that?

Easy. Don't come. And I'm a second round pick. Where the fuck is it? So we had our meeting, and I said this. Look, I don't care how y'all, whatever y'all, you're going to put me in. You're going to have to put me in. When I get in, I'm not passing the ball ever again.

So my points 19, I'm going to get that. The assists, they can go down. The rebounds can go down. I don't care about none of that. The 19 points is staying. I'm going to just be the, if y'all want to be selfish, I'm going to be selfish. Man. How y'all want to play this?

I mean. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. What'd they say? Huh? What'd they say? They start playing basketball the right way again. Because I'll say A to B, A. That's going to be 2-0.

I'm like, Coach will call the plate, one-four flat. I got to get my plays. I don't give a fuck about none of that. I'm a second round pick. What you going to do? Put me back on the bench? I've been there before. Man. To go to your point though though, Joe, being misunderstood in the locker room when you're seeing those articles, I got that early.

I got that in college. So I was labeled bad teammate, uncoachable, all the way up to the NBA. But where does that shit come from? That don't come from your teammates. Your teammates ain't saying, oh, he a bad teammate. It's the coach. Coach got a riff with you. He tell the beat writer, the beat writer,

send that shit into the media, they post that shit up. Now throughout the whole league, the rumors start circulating. Now it's against your resume, it's against your personality, your character. Now everybody's questioning, to even come up and say anything to you because they done heard, this little motherfucker's an asshole.

He a prima donna. He think he done made it. He this, he that, he that. And I'm like, bro, you don't even fucking know me. No. It sounded like you had an attitude. I did. It sounded like it.

But I said what was on my mind, but it was never on some malicious. It was always team. I've always been a team guy. So when it came down to holding players accountable Amen box the fuck out Look fuck out your big ass You know Sam that was Quran with us You know and then it's like you get the bad rap of being a bad teammate because like we talked earlier in our interview

When you the guy that really care? Mm-hmm and everybody in there, you see them bullshitting, I ain't passing you motherfuckers ever again. I'm in the game. I'm shooting that bitch every time because y'all don't care. Y'all already trying to get the fuck up out of here. We just lost about 30. Kobe has 60.

Y'all not mad? I'm pissed. But I'm the bad teammate because I'm in here with the attitude. But I get it. I mean, somebody got to take the fucking blame. It's just like anything. If you have 15 lazy fuckers and one hardworking guy, coach is going to side with who?

15 lazies. That's one against 15. You don't win that battle ever. So I know what that's like. I just kept my head low and just didn't pass the ball. You was't win that battle ever. So I know what that's like. I just kept my head low and just didn't pass the ball. You was on billboards, though. I mean, shit.

No, no, I didn't. Billboard means a lot. I think I put a rule in. It started off at, if you don't make $5 million, don't talk to me directly. It started off at $5 million. But what happened was

Deshaun Stevenson, that was my boy, I started off at five familiar. Well, but what happened was The Shawn Stevenson well, that was my boy, but he was only making about 3.5. So that kind of like cut him out of the category Like somebody I did like but he was making like $8 million. If you don't make $10 million, $10 million, you can't talk to me directly. You talk to someone else who makes $10 million and then relay it to me. Because we're not just going

to go back and forth. Like, yeah, Gil ain't passing ball today. You don't even make enough to get the ball. You don't even make enough. Don't even make enough. You don't even make enough.

Let's just get this straight. I don't want to say you too lazy to get the ball. You don't even make enough. I'm just saying you enough. You don't even make enough. Let's just get this straight. I don't want to say you too lazy to get the ball. You don't even make enough. I'm just saying you don't make enough. Like, get your money up. And when I say get your money, like, get your game. People think when you say get your money up, like, get your work ethic up.

Yeah. Your work ethic, right? Let's see what you did there. Get your money up. Let's see what you did there. Get your money up. Get you on the same fucking level. But if I'm an eagle, I don't know which pigeons.

I don't know. I don't want to hit pigeon talk. I'm an eagle, right? Pigeons hand off. They want hand off. They want you to feed. Think about pigeons. Bread on the floor.

I like it. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Eagles, we fucking coming down hunting. I'm coming down getting food. I don't want to hit pigeon talk. All right? None of that noise down there. That's classic.

He won't even pass ball coach it I would love to be in a locker room It was just all swag, you know, the Sean came out of high school So he's like yeah, I was in college eating team food. I was eating steak and shirt on There was always high school straight out of high school We just had a funny ass team man. Oh Fuckin hilarious, bro. They gotta do it. Yeah, that's the need to be the next documentary What's your team y'all team just like oh that y'all team? Oh, we have funny. We have y'all team. they need to tell them stories. When would it be rated?

I'm going to say NC7's team. It's too much. Huh? Too much adult content. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got to let it go. They got to let that one go. I want to hear about the birthday party, though.

Yeah. The million- Was it a million dollar party? The million dollar party. Two million? It wasn't that fun. I ain't even going to lie to you. That shit looked good for everybody else, not me.

Not you. But not you throwing it. Because I got to get everybody from LA. You got to get in. You got to get in. Get a phone. By the time I got in, motherfucking club over it. Like, oh, shit. Two million gone.

It was more just for the name and the fame. It wasn't. I ain't have fun. All the more reason to do a documentary on that. Yeah, just seeing the picture. Oh, this nigga had his shirt off again at the club. Oh, shit. Documentary on them. Yeah, just seeing the picture. Oh this nigga had a shirt off again at the club Alright fellas before we wrap we got to get to mostly fans. Hold on. I got away for animation Hey, oh, there's no expense like Jurassic Park. We did it. Mm-hmm. We got to talk about Pat Bev Pat Bev on his pod

Said, you know, he's comparing Bulls fans to Lakers fans. He said, I play a bad game for Chicago. I ain't got to look on Twitter and hear he's a bum. Get him out of here like I was hearing that shit in LA. So Gil, I got to ask you, because the Lakers fan base is interesting. When you see it from the outside, you might feel a certain way about it.

But once you're immersed in it, you really learn to appreciate and embrace what it means. Like from game to game. Game to game. Season's over. I'll beat the Suns. We back. I heard what you said.

Who said it again? Patrick Beverley. All right. I'm just going to. It's good to ask you. Are the Lakers a toxic fan base? Oh, is the Lakers a toxic fan base? Oh, is the Lakers a toxic fan base? All right.

Yeah, okay, cool. Okay, cool. That's a good question. If you are a star player and you're not performing the way you're supposed to be performing, yeah, they could be in your ass. They usually boo players that they expect something great from. There's just a few players that... Pat Bev is one of them?

You've heard him got booed? I've never heard him got booed. Who booed him? He's got a lot of slander on Twitter. Was he boo-booed? You know him on Twitter all day. I just feel like the expectations with the Lakers is always going to be high. For sure. Right now, the Bulls' expectations aren't high. He's from Chicago.

He's a hometown kid, so they're not going to be high. Yeah, for sure. So right now, the Bulls, the expectations aren't high. I mean, he's from Chicago. I mean, you know, he's a hometown kid, so they're not going to, you know, boo him, you know, after games when their expectations aren't even high. Lakers, I mean, you're setting yourself up for failure. You know, it's either you're going to come in there and do your thing or you know what time it is. It's like playing for the Knicks. I've heard them boo Westbrook with the Lakers and they booed him with the Clippers. No, they didn't boo him with the Clippers

I was there. No, it was Laker fans. I heard it. It was Laker fan. It was Laker fans in the building They did the warrior they weren't playing the Lakers. Oh, but they're playing the Warriors, right? I don't yeah, it was warrior fans No, stop. You know, it was 70 heard it. It was like you know, he 30 words We with the slander of you because it. You heard it because it was you. I'm just saying. Were you booing? No. I was trying to cheer.

Because I told y'all how I felt about Russ going to the Clippers. This is his chance. So I'm like, okay, let me go to the game and see what's real. Was it Clipper Darryl? I couldn't even find Clipper Darryl. I couldn't even find him. I was like, where's the booing coming from? Boo. I said, goddamn, boy.

What's going on? So I get it. The Lakers slander from the fans! I said, God damn, boy. What's going on? So I get it. The Lakers slander from the fans is real. No, he was saying, boy! Like, yeah. Like, boy! You know what I'm saying?

Boo! Like, what's up, boo? Boy! Yeah. Maybe boy. Maybe boy. It was about boy! Yeah.

I got it. But this is the thing about Lakers fans. Brandon, like you said, you in LA, you in Hollywood. 17 championships. The expectation is you're going to hang another banner up there, and if you don't, we're going to let you know about it. Lakers fan base, a lot of people from the Lakers fan base. The monitor? No, it was a Photoshop, but it was. You're almost happy there. But nonetheless, but I'm just saying, when you look at that Lakers fan base, a lot of people from the L.A. players out there, I know y'all happy when y'all get in, y'all score two points,

and the whole, all your teammates jumping and falling. When you get in the locker room, you should be smacking a shot, because that means they didn't expect you to score. They didn't expect shit from you. So the fact that you actually scored, they got that hype to the point where they're jumping out. If they don't do this shit for LeBron James when he scores every bucket, then don't do that shit to me, all right? Talk about it.

Don't do that shit to me. I get in. It's 13 seconds left. I score, and y'all jumping. High five. And I'm running down like, yeah. Like, you look goofy as shit. Y'all don't really like me like that.

Y'all don't fuck with me. That's embarrassing, man. I'm sorry. I don't give a shit what you say. So we see that a lot, though. We see the arrows and, oh, look, he hit it. He hit a three for the first. Like, he's like, bro, you're supposed to be like, nah, y'all treat me like I scored before,

don't. Treat me like I did. Like, sit down. Sit down. Treat me like I do this. I do this. Yeah, I do this, bro. That's how you know motherfuckers sorry.

For real. If I come in the game and I get a, bro. That's how you know motherfucker sorry. For real. If I come in the game and I get in the motherfucker score and everybody jumping and falling and high-fiving, no, he suck. Damn. Yeah. One of them things, they hit a three and they're not supposed to, but oh, he finally hit a three. He finally hit a three.

Oh, he hit. They be like, oh, he hit. Shit. Damn. Yeah, it's going to be some hands in the locker room. I don't think that's a good point for the show. No, no, no. I see one.

It was, what's that Boston stuff? What happened in Boston? KG knew. Ah, Ray Allen. Yeah, what happened to that? We saving that for later? No, let's do that now. Let's do that now.

So KG and Ray Allen reconciled. They reconciled. KG said he don't got no more beef. Miguel, are you interested? Me? I wanted to know. You asked for this. Oh, I just thought.

I just said that was a topic. Oh, me personally? Okay. Oh, what was the question? What was this topic again? What happened? Are you interested in any beef with any former teammates? Nobody in particular?

Just a hypothetical. Oh, he set this up. Oh, my God. This is a setup. Oh, he set this up. Oh my God. This is a set up. He done set this one up real beautifully. No, no, no. I think it's a genius. Can you restart that?

I need to hear it. I think it's a genius. He's a genius. No, no, no, because my mind went somewhere else and I don't want it to go there. What happened? It's your show. You cut the checks. No, no, what happened?

What happened with the thing? So KG and Ray Allen had the beef after Ray left. The Boston Dynasty, that wasn't really a dynasty. Uh-huh. So beef for a long time. KG said the beef's done. Oh, because he went there and won the two rings without him. Got it.

Yeah, that was it. And I just wanted to know, are you going to end any beef with any of your former teammates? Nobody in particular? Come on. I don't. No, no, no. I don't have any beefs with no teammates. Ex-teammates?

Sure. No, I got beef with YouTubers. Old busted ass youtubers. I got I do got beef with youtubers. Just just You got some youtubers. I used to play with you. I Ain't got no beef. I mean I got a fight with my teammate and yeah With a Chris CDR Chris Douglas Roberts. Oh, shit. In my second year. Y'all threw punches? Yeah, we got... No, this was the last game of the season. CD of Detroit, didn't you? This was my second year.

Yeah, this was my second year. This is when we trade... We trade a bunch of people away, and we don't make the playoffs in my second year. I'm young and I'm mad, so Scott Sk Scott Scouts put me in he's got Scouts He reads this article right and it's in front of the whole team. He's like yo, so how do y'all feel about what Brandon said? He said about you know assigning guys. That's not winners. They don't want to win and this and that so everybody go down the line Oh me So when it's my turn, you know, I'm young I'm like well fuck all y'all like you ain't this you ain't never done this

I said some of us CD are like you barely barely, whatever, boom, boom, boom. So I guess he really got mad. So then I guess it was rumors going around like, yo, you know he gonna try to get down with you after the game, like boom, boom, boom, on the plane. So I'm like, all right, whatever. It's whatever. So, and it's like, when I look back at it, it's like damn, I had vets, I had older vets on the team, but they didn't care because they didn't like me either because

they felt like I was young, cocky, in which I was. I felt like, well, we won. We were 10 games over 500 last year. We get y'all and we ain't doing shit. So it was just that frustration. Then the fight happens for maybe 10 seconds, 15 seconds. It was a fight. Like something fast, boom, boom, boom.

Nothing really. Everybody's just walking by and then the trainer, he seconds, 15 seconds. Just fight. Like something fast, boom, boom. Nothing really. Everybody just walking by and then the trainer, he comes, runs and break it up. And then I'm from, but I got niggas in Milwaukee. So I'm like, all right, cool. I got 20 niggas outside at the airport in front of Milwaukee, like waiting. I'm like, what were you doing? And then the police come and all that. Then we had to like, you know, yeah.

And he wasn't on the team next year? No. He didn't get in no fights. But it was all because of Scott. But it was all because of Scott Scowl. Like, I mean, he kind of baited it. And then, like, the next morning we have our extra meeting. And then, like, he laughing.

He like, oh, I heard you got in your first fight. And then we just started laughing, like, whatever. I was a little bit of a bully. Yeah, a little bully. Yeah, my nickname was Revolution. They had the little fist pumps. I was the only guy on the team doing Black History Month PSAs and shit. So Al Jefferson was my beef.

When he came in, he got 65 right away. He thought it was his team. It's like, bro, you're the only one that got your money. We're trying to get our bag, too. Try to throw the ball in two on one time. He let that bitch just roll out of bounds. Then he come to the huddle and was like, man, take his motherfucking ass out.

He don't want to fucking play. Take who out? Motherfucker, you take me out. Matter of fact, stand up, nigga. I'll leave a big-ass shadow right here on this motherfucker floor. What's up? That nigga sit there

and he ain't say a goddamn word. We got back to the huddle. He say, man, y'all are crazy, man. Come on with this nigga, man. Y'all are crazy. Hey, that is our show for the day we appreciate y'all

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