Gil's Arena - LeBron James' Future With The Lakers FIRES UP Gil's Arena

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

LeBron James' Future With The Los Angeles Lakers FIRES UP Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to LeBron James re-signing with the Los Angeles Lakers for one more season and brea...k down what LeBron & Rich Paul were really saying with their comments on this decision. They debate if LeBron will stay in LA despite the team's failure to improve around him and dive into the rumors that this could be King James' final season in the NBA. They then react to LeBron's teammate Austin Reaves declining his extension with the Lakers and debate if Lemon Daddy could be moved to help build around LeBron & Luka Doncic. Next, they move to the young King as they react to the NBA setting up a Cooper Flagg vs Bronny James showdown to kick off NBA Summer League and debate how the Dallas Mavericks' #1 overall pick will fare as he prepares to start his NBA Career against one of the toughest matchups in Summer League. They then react to another big name staying in Los Angeles as James Harden agreed to re-sign with the Los Angeles Clippers and break down what this move means for Harden and Kawhi Leonard as they look to push them towards an NBA Championship, before reacting to more moves across the NBA like Julius Randle & Naz Reid staying with the Minnesota Timberwolves and Colin Sexton getting dealt for scraps. Finally, they check back in on the Ace Bailey saga as the infamous draft pick finally landed in Utah after blowing off the Jazz after the NBA Draft and debate if the trouble is behind the young guard as starts his NBA Career before reacting to the shocking news of DeAndre Ayton's buyout and debate where the former #1 overall pick will land this summer. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Kenyon Martin, Brandon Jennings & Swaggy P Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to https://ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE:    / @gilsarena   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   0:00:00 – 2 Min Timer 0:02:01 – Show Start 0:08:30 – LeBron Re-signs With The Lakers 0:28:39 – LeBron & Luka's Future In LA 0:37:54 – LeBron Doesn't Care About Ring Chasing 0:50:26 – Austin Reaves Declines Extension In LA 0:56:27 – Cooper Flagg vs Bronny James In The Summer League 1:08:19 – James Harden Stays In LA 1:34:29 – Julius Randle & Naz Reid Stay In Minnesota 1:45:27 – Ace Bailey Finally Arrives In Utah 2:10:14 – DeAndre Ayton Gets Bought Out 2:24:43 – MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:38 Glorious Monday here in the arena, free agency. Just hours away. See what these Lakers gonna do. How everybody feeling? Feeling good. Feeling good. Why are you always with it? That's your East Coast team?
Starting point is 00:00:54 That's my East Coast team. The Washington Uncs. Ain't no jumping sides. No, no, that's my East Coast team. You think they gonna make the playoffs? That's not the point of being a fan No, no, no, it's not it's not we got Trey Johnson over there, baby. We ready He said he just he looked at what numbers were available. So fucking give me one. Yeah, just
Starting point is 00:01:22 12 Try 12. Just give me one. Hey man, do what you do best, man. Whoever's over there with your number, just offer them a price that they can't refuse, man. Don't start your legacy off with a number you don't really want. I had to buy my back from zero zero.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Wait, he got number 12? That's nice. Like Brendan Heywood had my number. Yeah, zero? Yeah, double zero. So back then you couldn't wear double zero and zero. Referees was too lazy to do this and that. They still don't do it, right?
Starting point is 00:01:54 This one, two, it doesn't matter. They was too lazy to do it. Technically two different numbers, but no value. Yeah, so I had to. You were just a placeholder. I had to buy a bat. Charged me 50 grand. Damn. Shout, I had to. You were just a placeholder. I had to buy a bat. Charged me 50 grand. Damn.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Shout out Brendan Heywood. Straight cash, homie. Yeah, straight cash. Dollar bills, please. But this is Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa. As always, we got the Legend Gilbert arenas here with us. Woo!
Starting point is 00:02:18 Woo! Woo! Woo! Next to Gil, we got NBA champion of the world, Swaggy P Nick Young big three legend LA legend I am legend at the Drew League. That's the winner baby. Sitting next to me we have the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff former number one pick Kenyon Martin. Championship experience. NBA big three, wherever you need it.
Starting point is 00:02:47 So when did you buy those? When did you buy those? Kobe gave them to me. When did you buy those? Kobe gave these to me. When did you buy those? Kobe gave me two. Oh, he gave you those?
Starting point is 00:02:58 Yeah. With the price tag on it? All right, bet. It's the Kobe tag, it ain't price tag. Oh, okay. Kobe being buying. Shout out Swag. I thought with everything that's going on.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Number eight? Eight, Kobe. We will never question your Kobe-ness, Swag. And you didn't offer those to me? No, I know how you been. You called me a, you still ain't apologizing. You tried to sell me the last game with the autograph on it. So act like I don't remember it here.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Why'd you want to offer it to me? What did you see in me that made you think that I wanted to buy it? Okay, there we go. Now you forgot that, huh? Anywho, for all the fans out there, we still got to viewing after for our traditional version mobile vertical version pick whichever you want to watch Just make sure you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today LeBron opted into the final year of his deal with the Lakers
Starting point is 00:03:58 But will this be King James final year in the league and will he finish the season with the Lakers? Which part some interesting comments that we will discuss. Jason Kidd says he wants Cooper Flag to play some point guard in his rookie season. Can the number one pick handle running the one in the league? And the Blazers decided to buy out DeAndre Aiden, making him an unrestricted free agent. Which team is the best fit for the former number one pick? But before we get into all that, as always, if you want to get your bread right, download the underdog app, use promo code GIL, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special
Starting point is 00:04:30 pick them. And we're back with another crew partner pack. As a reminder, each member of our Gils Arena crew submitted a pick them that we're combining to create our partner pack on the underdog app. We'll tally up the individual picks and the guy with the highest percentage of accurate picks will receive a large sum of underdog bread before we take our summer hiatus in a few weeks. So through week one, Gil and Kenyon are tied with three out of four correct picks. Mr. B and Swaggy each got two of four and Rashad got one of four right last week.
Starting point is 00:04:59 So let's get into- That sounds about right. Gil, no more. No more. We want to be our peace and brotherhood and tranquility here. So who's last? Currently, but this is just after one week. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:12 After the first week, who's? Damn, I didn't know he was doing all that. I mean, either. I literally am announcing every single day here on the couch. That's crazy. Now I got to pick right. Right. So now you actually have to maybe pick, pick correctly.
Starting point is 00:05:24 You can, you can get back. I mean I gotta really like yeah. Do some deep thinking some analyzing. You did not you did not make a pick last week. You showed up to work one day and just left. Well I know he's not here to defend himself so I'm gonna say it for him. In his opinion he's first. Let's get into today's partner pack on the Underdog app our crew partner packs. So Rashad has Zack Wheeler higher five point five strikeouts. You took Aaron judge lower Point five home runs you think it will not hit a home run against the Blue Jays Our Yankees contingent not rolling with that pick swaggy. You have Garrett crochet
Starting point is 00:05:59 Crochet higher eight point five strikeouts Brandon has Corey Seeger higher point.5 hits and Kenya you got Adolas Garcia higher 0.5 total bases. Little baseball, I know black. Little baseball today. I picked yours. Yeah, he told me. So I had to just ramble around. Uh huh.
Starting point is 00:06:21 What you guys want to be? I just need one hit. Okay, let's go. Say I'm 11. You don't know who you do. What you guys want to be? I just need one. Okay, let's go. Say I'm 11. You don't know who you are. If you use. Just pick the white man, man. It's alright. This partner pack is boosted. If you use this partner pack, you can win nearly 12 times your bread on the underdog app. So we asked the chat if they are riding or fainting with our crew
Starting point is 00:06:38 partner pack. Unfortunately 50-50 split. 50% of the chat riding with it. 50% is not. But if you are one of the 50% who is, head over to the Underdog app, you can add this crew partner pack. If you don't have Underdog, download the Abuse promo code,
Starting point is 00:06:51 get up to $1,000 in bonus cash, plus a special pick-em. And if you can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So we're gonna talk about Kenyan's favorite subject. We have some big news coming out of Los Angeles. We're gonna talk about Kenyon's favorite subject. We have some big news coming out of Los Angeles. The Lakers' quest for a 20-26 chip.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Got some reassurance this weekend, or so we think. Sunday it was announced LeBron is opting into his $52.6 million player option with the Lakers for the 25-26 season. This is the first time Bron has opted into the final year of a deal in his career. So LeBron's agent Rich Paul had this to say about his client's decision to exercise his player option with the Lakers for next season.
Starting point is 00:07:30 He said quote, LeBron wants to compete for a championship. He knows the Lakers are building for the future. He understands that, but he values a realistic chance of winning it all. We are very appreciative of the partnership that we've had for eight years with Jeannie Buss and Rob Pelinka and consider the Lakers as a critical part of his career Paul went on to say We understand the difficulty in winning now while preparing for the future We do want to evaluate what's best for LeBron at this stage in his life and career He wants to make every season he has left count and the Lakers understand that are supportive and want what's best for him
Starting point is 00:08:03 and the Lakers understand that are supportive and want what's best for him. So, we're gonna get into it. LeBron made second team All-MBA last season to extend his league record to 21 career All-MBA selections and his 23rd season will also be a record surpassing Vince Carter for the most in NBA history. But let's dive deeper into Rich Paul's quote. So Gil, you are fluent in Bronies.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Are you wanting me to ask you first? Dive deeper into Rich Paul's quote. So Gil, you are fluent in Bronies. Are you want me to ask Kenyon first? I was gonna say that's a nice shirt. The Lucas. Yeah, yeah, the Lucas. I know. That's all I got to say. Two timelines Kenyon, two timelines. That's all I got to say, that's a nice shirt.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Supportive of LeBron and supportive of Lucas. Ebony and Ivory come together. Coming over to the right. In Burbank, Harvard, coming over to the right. I don't, I'm just. Where it says LeBron, yours? That shirt speaks volumes with that statement in your shirt. You can't beat L.A. That's one plus one. That shit equals two.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Ebony and ivory come together. Two can exist together. They are definitely existing. So, looking at Rich Paul's quote, what is Rich Paul really saying here? That one plus one equals two Okay, that if I'm yeah, dude, dude a man. Hey somebody go get the black light Turn the lights off Because it is if somebody getting their TV turned on it is the writing is on the wall. That's somebody Somebody that writing on the wall. I think it's so huh?
Starting point is 00:09:25 Yes, that's what that is Somebody Huh Yes, that's what that is Give it up. Oh, that's why I said you go for it No, I ain't go but what I told you is yeah, so it's yeah They said don't they say money with him up in there. No, no No, they wouldn't have if he would have restructured and did another like three year deal, two year deal, whatever it is. He can do two year because of the over 38 rule.
Starting point is 00:09:49 So two year deal, then it would. You're gonna chop the same money in half. Yeah, chop the same money in half, y'all would have been able to sign somebody else, but him out the end of that, handicap the team some more, so that tell me that he ain't gonna be here, so. Like Magic once said, I'm not gonna be here.
Starting point is 00:10:06 LeBron's second team All-NBA last year, he is 40 years old, but second team All-NBA selection, I think that price point very reasonable for a second team All-NBA player. That's still averaging 25, 26, 25, 7, his 25-point streak was snapped, but he averaged like 24.5. He was right on the precipice of another 25.5. Problem with, was snap but he averaged like 24.5 he was he was right on the precipice of another 25 problem with there's a different conference there's a couple
Starting point is 00:10:31 different conversations that's being addressed at the same time and the ideal of would you sacrifice money for a championship you say no but should he have to know no no He's saying no. Right? I'm just, I'm just asking if it's the deal that you gave me. Austin Reeves, what is he saying? No. We're going to talk to Austin about Austin Reeves in just a moment. Okay, so in real time
Starting point is 00:10:56 when people talk about would you sacrifice money for a ring and all those people that say they would, in real time the players is telling you they not right because they've never not sacrificed for actual rings because the biggest conversation is you want a millionaire to sacrifice for a ring but the billionaire for a ring but the billionaire won't. Because at the end of the day, they're fighting over the same money.
Starting point is 00:11:29 He don't wanna pay the luxury tax, so he wants you from your upbringing of you gotta win a championship. He wants you to sacrifice because he wants all his profit. With no guarantee of actually winning that championship. There's no guarantee. It's just the idea of, hey, I don't wanna spend my money and go into the luxury tax to pay a little tax.
Starting point is 00:11:50 I want all my profits. So you guys sacrifice for y'all in this championship world that you guys been sold the dream of, right? So there's bigger conversations, but right here, 50 something million. Now, if you're a team and he says he wants to trade, I'm gonna just be honest, I gotta be a complete fool to trade away for him to have just one season of him.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Like if he was structured it and guaranteed me two years, okay cool, but just one year, that means for me to trade my assets to get him for this one year, I gotta win this year to make it make sense for me if I'm trying to win a championship. Talk about the team that will take him in. The team that will take him in. So it will be one, he's not going somewhere and they not one of the four best teams. Yeah. Well, there were four options that have been mentioned, the Mavs, the Warriors, the Knicks,
Starting point is 00:12:46 potentially returned to Cleveland. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, he's not going somewhere where they so far off. He's going somewhere where either the team was Easton Conference or they had an injury, and it's something of that nature, trust him. He's not going somewhere just- They turned back to Cleveland?
Starting point is 00:13:02 Yeah, that's what they have in place. It's the safest for. What about Milwaukee? No, no. He's not going to Milwaukee. If he's going to go to a small market team, it'd be his own. He's going back to Cleveland.
Starting point is 00:13:13 He'll go back to his house. If that's the case, he's going back. What about ESPN's Bobby Marks, there's currently no trade market for LeBron right now. Oh, you crazy. I mean, that's what I'm just saying. What they're saying, teams aren't willing up to give away a key brand.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Oh, they would have to give away a key brand. Oh, they would have to give away a key. That's what I said. They would have to give away a key. You're talking about now 56 million. Now, if he wanted to win a ring here, here or anywhere, you would have restructured your deal for a lower price where now
Starting point is 00:13:46 Whoever's trading for you don't have to give up half the team. So if you just said alright, there's 56 million here you want what? 70 Two years 70 now you jump down to 30 now. I only can say I can get one player away from you So now hey Garland Garland for LeBron. I can get one player away from you. So now, hey, Garland, Garland for LeBron. I can do that. I don't have to trade four you niggas over there to get one. I want to give up. Let me just know how to hypothec.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Now I got a. You gotta give up Hunter. But see, I wouldn't have to if he didn't structure his deal. It's a one for one. And what's the name he's making? 39 million. Garland's making 30. This is just hypothetical.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Well, let's hypothetically. Garland's making 39 million garlands making 30. This is just hypothetical. Well, let's let's 39 million if he Said the two-year 70 he's at 35 now. I can just trade one for one right in a future pick Right to make you feel better now. I got Lonzo ball Spider-man hunter Ron Spider-Man, Hunter, Bron, Mowgli, Allen off the bench.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Like you see how my team just became. Well, let me throw another hypothetical out to you. It just became a championship team. So Evan plays the five. Go white boy, you can trade Hunter. So Evan plays the five. Evan can play the five, especially when Evan, now I got Bron at the four,
Starting point is 00:15:03 I can pull the Bron at the three, Evan, I can go big as fuck, like you know what I mean? I got so much room, because I only got him for one, because of his price tag. So two questions. First, we always talk about players taking a pay cut. Bronn coming off a second team on the NBA season. If he would have had a down year, maybe that's an option.
Starting point is 00:15:20 But you're talking about a player still top 10 in the NBA, even at age 40. And you talk about the Lakers having a valuation of ten billion dollars No Celtics sulfur six point one Lakers sulfur ten billion. Why why would I ever? Yeah, that's right. How to deal with y'all because you've been y'all just got ten Yeah, ten billion dollar valuation because you want to win a championship That's where my argument was I'm not turning the luxury tech. That's where we go. See, I'm starting. That's where my whole argument was. I'm not turning down $50 million for a ring.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Yeah, yeah. Because the $50 million I save goes to the owner. It goes to you. So we're fighting over the same money. So it's like, you want to be a billionaire five six seven. I Want to get there too? like and that's the argument that we don't be having because From a little kid we were told rings matter It's a team team team it does but the guy who's owning is like instead of me paying you 50 and you 50
Starting point is 00:16:21 And then y'all cut into my profit. I'll say, hey man, don't you wanna win? Don't you like your mans? The problem is you take 25, and then he take 25, and then that 50 comes to me. Well, give us somebody who's done that before, you took less bread to help keep your team around. Yes, that's why it's easier to come up with, I turned down 16 million, like I'm offered 127,
Starting point is 00:16:42 that's what they offered me. And I said, hey, the shine's coming up, Twans, hey man, what you need? How much extra do you need to stay? Because I know Philly was offering the money, right? And then he said, this is what I need. All right, so when I started calculating, I said, okay, 16 million for the team.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Then I just took 111, penny, penny, penny. Then Brunson just do it. The Warriors did it. The Warriors did it. They put up with't Brunson just do it? The Warriors did it. Who did? Who did? The Warriors. Which one took the pay cut? Steph took the pay cut? No. They went over the luxury tax. Yeah. Now you have the second eight from basically hard caps.
Starting point is 00:17:16 A lot of restrictions. That's what I'm saying. That owner wanted to win and he's like I don't give, I don't care about the profit. That's what I'm saying. So the pay cut is between the owner and you as a player so when they don't want to take it they put the pressure on you to say don't you want to win because that's all the fans are gonna think about then the Lakers did it before with who growing up with magic to yeah yeah cuz Kobe never took no pay
Starting point is 00:17:42 cut Shaq did when Shaq left, it was a 10 million dollar difference. But on Kobe, I think it's last year, it was a 19 million, 19 million less than what he could have got. I think he's still the highest paid player in the league at that point. Somewhere in like the 15 range. Yeah. Yeah, he was getting criticized. Like when you talk about like when Shaq left, left like people he asked for a trade because they wasn't offering him the max Hmm No, I thought it was something he wanted 150 No, he said oh you didn't give me 150 I'm out I'm not taking a pay cut
Starting point is 00:18:19 I'm not taking a pay cut and saying I'm a second option. You know, that was the argument I'm sorry. I'm not. This is just the facts. It's going to get both. So, you know, that's that's usually the thing. So with with with brawn is like, you know, give me all my money and if y'all want to if y'all want to win a championship go over the luxury tax break some bread.
Starting point is 00:18:43 So another hypothetical we talked about the four teams that are reportedly interested in making a move the Warriors according to reports try to make a move for Bron at the trade deadline. So when you look at this Warriors roster a comparable salary would be Jimmy Butler who's scheduled to make 54 million dollars this year. If you were the Warriors would you consider swapping playoff Jimmy for LeBron. Jimmy for LeBron? I mean, the salaries match. Is that better than Luca and LeBron? There's also a world where you can re-sign Kaminga and then move to another.
Starting point is 00:19:17 All that happens is what do the rest of the pieces look like? Yeah, because it let Steph still be him and Bron still can do what he do, be the facilitator and it just takes the ball out of Draymond's hand. That's them two. Yeah, I mean, they're not going to be in a position to win. I mean, if the only teams that he can really go to that has a chance, there is going to be some of East
Starting point is 00:19:45 Well, you said LeBron and Steph can't win by themselves You still got to figure out the rest of the roster to make it match for both of them that they can just No, bro That thing got a chance Got a chance but that thing got a chance. Let's see what they was doing to Minnesota before Steph went down with just Jimmy and him. And it's looking ugly. There's no injuries on the West? Mm. There's none.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Not for key players. I mean, Houston's getting better. Steph don't have to work his hole. Houston got better. Dallas is, I mean, in a getting better. Steph don't have to work his hole. Houston got better. Dallas is, I mean, in a sense is whatever they're gonna be. Then you got OKC. Dallas can be very competitive. OKC is, they're healthy.
Starting point is 00:20:34 So whatever they add is gonna be a plus. Long as they're in Minnesota. In Minnesota. Got a year under they belt. It's Steph and Lebron. A lot of the court comes back. It's better what Denver does. Depending on what Denver do, that's still something. So the only place that's. Steph and Lebron is A lot of the court comes back. It depends on what Denver does. Depending on what Denver do, that's still something.
Starting point is 00:20:45 So the only place that's clippin' Steph and Lebron is better than Houston right now. Who? Steph and Lebron is better than Houston right now. Okay, that's Houston. I don't think so. But that's still an argument. What if he goes to New York Knicks, right?
Starting point is 00:20:59 Depending on what they give away, they can be in the championship. He goes to Cleveland Cavaliers, depending on what they give away, they can be in the championship. He goes to Cleveland Cavaliers, depending on what they give away, they in the championship, right? Like so. So let's go back even to that Luka trade in February. There were reports, who knew what,
Starting point is 00:21:15 and who knew what win and all that good stuff. But do you feel like LeBron knew that that move was happening and you feel like he was supportive of that move? Or was this the Lakers basically saying look we appreciate you for your service but we're going to politely make you break up with us whoever was important to that move i mean very important for the NBA if it's on the table you have to make of course you make the move but whether you tell him yeah but what message are you saying to make that move. Of course you make the move, but. Whether you tell him or not. What message are you sending doing that?
Starting point is 00:21:45 Basically saying, look. No, the message is we understand that you 40, bruh. Like we are, like we used to having names and putting like stars and be able to put people in the seat, so. I know it's been eight years. He's available. I think this will be the longest he's been with the singer.
Starting point is 00:22:03 But the problem isn't LeBron and Luca, the problem is the big man's and all that stuff. You guys have to mark William Stray and you resend it. With LeBron, it was technically LeBron and AD fighting over the same position in a sense. But you don't think Lakers got a chance to win here though? Yeah, he has a chance. I mean, it's still at the end of the day, you got two players
Starting point is 00:22:22 that if they both sacrifice, you got a different team outlook, but LeBron ain't sacrificing nor is Austin Reese sacrificing Well, I can understand Austin Reese. No, no facts. I can understand I'm not taking a pay cut or him accepting what was offered. I can understand that Whatever that ring is it ain't worth it Player There's whatever that ring is ain't worth it right? Ain't worth it player Back to the brown brown has a no trade clause I'm not trying to get it. They get it off. No, I'm watching you're not getting it off. I just want to let you know No, I am no you're not but I'm letting you talk. Just no no no What I'm saying is I get it off because I'm real time
Starting point is 00:23:03 I'm just I just want you to know you're not getting it off, but I'm letting you get it off. You get it, it's a difference. No, no, no. The difference is truth. Right. Is there somebody out there? Is there somebody out there in free agency right now that took a pick cut to win the championship because their team was ready? You can say Jalen Brunson, but the way that deal was structured. That's the problem with y'all.
Starting point is 00:23:20 Y'all take one thing. How many people have played in this NBA? Can you ask the question? I'm asking a quick question. problem with y'all. Y'all take one thing. How many people have played in this NBA? Can you ask a question? There's how many people have played in this NBA? 5,000 give or take now. Let's just say if 10% did it. Is that worth bragging about?
Starting point is 00:23:46 Nobody's like that. You one, just let you know. You asked a question. With a question mark, I provided an answer. You provided an answer. And then I have five people this summer right now and that's like, ah, fuck off. But with the Brunson thing, it was for down the road, you can get it even bigger as this cap keeps increasing.
Starting point is 00:24:02 So it wasn't as bad as the other one. So he did it to get a bigger deal what potential yeah but on paper when it happened all he's taking less bread to keep the whole crew together on paper yeah that's all reality this well you ask a question I'm gonna answer it right don't need the only people in real time that can just sacrifice for another championship is the OKC Which we will you got three, huh? Yeah, we're gonna sacrifice No, you won what your chances of going back-to-back It's all in y'all hands
Starting point is 00:24:35 You know if y'all sacrifice to keep y'all's the salaries nice and good for y'all to keep on winning It's all up to y'all if that's I'm the owner. That's what I'm saying Hey, it's all up to y'all if y'all want to be greedy and get y'all y'all can have your money But if you have your money, we're gonna have to break the team up We talked about when I win his first championship to what? Miami. Yeah He took two million dollars less Chris boss took two million dollars less Chris Boss took two million dollars less. Two million.
Starting point is 00:25:05 They sacrificed? Two million dollars. Okay. Two. A hundred and twenty million dollars on the table. And they took a sacrifice to keep Haslam. So the person who actually sacrificed was Haslam because he was offered forty something million. So he was offered 40 something million.
Starting point is 00:25:26 So he was offered 40 something million. He had to take a pay cut to take 13 million. And then why you think he's still in the organization? Cause they're still paying him back. So he took a pay cut. We were in a different, what we call it? Like a different. Who? It was like only the top two people get paid back then.
Starting point is 00:25:41 No, the reason that that team survived and did what they did was cause Hasard took a pay cut for them. It was four. That was straight after the lockout. Remember, it was a different type of setup. No, it was four at a lockout. The lockout was 11 or 10. No, because, no, it was...
Starting point is 00:26:01 Because remember, they set it up for the high... No, didn't that... The trade happened that summer, then it was a he remember they set it up for the high didn't that or that happened the trade happened that summer then it was a lockout right they announced that they were leaving and teaming up and then the lockout happened so when did they all sign together 2010 we came in so but you talked about another star player who took less bread, James Harden. Did not work out. Darrell Moore is a liar. Didn't end up getting his bread and now ended up with a clear run of dissent.
Starting point is 00:26:32 So it doesn't work out when usually when you try to explore that option, but the player obviously gets all the blame. Meanwhile, these teams evaluations have exploded. But let's talk a little bit more about Brian. Brian has a no trade clause. So he basically has all the leverage of the Lakers if he decides to request a trade this season or test free agency next summer. Cordova reports Luca is likely to sign an extension with the team when he is
Starting point is 00:26:52 eligible on August 2nd. So after the Luca trade went down the Lakers said they were operating on two timelines one to win now for LeBron but also build towards the future with Luca. So if the Lakers don't make any big moves this offseason you see where we're Bron request a trade and if he does request that trade does Bronnie go with it's a nice big out there right now and they could use and be alright. Do they got to pay Austin this year too? No he's so he's a third year before your deal but they would have to make a move by trade deadline I believe next season.
Starting point is 00:27:25 If that was the case, or he'd be a... Or he can opt out, excuse me, this year. He can opt out this summer. He could? Yeah, he can opt out the fourth year of his deal. Oh, shit. Wait, no, this summer. Next summer, next summer, next summer.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Excuse me. Next season. So, Lucas' extension this year is what? I was like 224,, 24, like that. Four year. So he ain't doing that, right? Cause if he doesn't, then he's eligible for five year potentially.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Three something, right? Yeah, so y'all already sacrificed his money with the trade anyway. They got a 10 billion, they ain't worried about that. No, they sold it, they bought. Valuation of 10 billion. I paid 10 billion. The new owner has come to bread though.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Don't mean I want cheese on my burger. Cheese. All right, I got cheese at. Valuation of 10 billion. I paid 10 billion. That's what this is. That's what this is. Don't mean I want cheese on my burger. Cheese. All right, I got cheese at the house, fam. 10 billion. All right, give me this hamburger. I don't want no cheese. They gonna get that back.
Starting point is 00:28:14 39 cents for the cheese. Nah, good, I got that shit at the crib. They gonna get that back. Brendan Heywood story in college. Brendan Heywood. Yeah, he used to go to Burger King, get the burgers without cheese, go home, put the cheese on it to save some bread. Had a buddy who played with him in North Carolina. I respect you Britain. Hey, what?
Starting point is 00:28:29 Hey, you want to show you know, that's a true story Hey, what might be the funniest dude alive? So if Lucas signs this summer You can get four years 229 million if he waits until next summer. He can get a five-year 295 million Or he has a short-term extension option of three, 165 with a player option in the third year. And in the third season. That sounds more interesting. The three for 165, three third year player option. So basically next two and then.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Three for 165, third year player option. I like that. So he played this season, two more seasons and then have that option after. If he signs this summer? That one. Yeah, he can do a three-year 165 or four-year 229 this summer. And then if he waits till next summer, he can do a five-year 295. Five-year 295 and then he can put an option in whenever he wants.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Either way. Either way. Well, I mean. This one or that one. Either way. Either way. Well, I mean. This one or that one? Assume he'll make all NBA. Assume he. Gotta play 65 games? Yeah, he gotta play 65.
Starting point is 00:29:32 That's it. If he plays 65 games, he's all NBA. Yeah, there's not a question about it. Like, no, yeah. I'm saying the fat Luca average 33 that they said, so. This Luca's supposed to be getting his shape, so what the fuck think you finna do more to love. I Mean at the end of the day like you you're you're as they called it we're talking we're talking about like these are literally the players decisions at this point because
Starting point is 00:30:00 They're gonna have they're gonna have like they're gonna have to sacrifice they're gonna have the sacrifice to get the team to where they want, right? So for the betterment of the future of this team, well obviously LeBron didn't sacrifice, so that's one out. Now if Lucas says, yeah I'm gonna wait till next year, that's two out, because they're gonna sign him back next year, right?
Starting point is 00:30:21 Even though LeBron is off the cap, they can give him wherever the fuck he wants. And then you got Austin Reeves who's doing the same thing, right? So it's not like these guys are taking team friendly deals to help the team out. Cause if that was the case, then LeBron would have chopped his contract at least 15 million. Luke will be signing an extension right now. Austin Reeves will be signing his extension right now. And then boom, now you're talking about we're signing his extension right now and then boom. Now you're talking about we're good for the next five, six years. Like we got a lot of
Starting point is 00:30:51 money and flexibility. But they're all, I mean we don't know. Two of them is holding hostage right now. When do people normally take their pay cut after the second contract? No one. What do you mean? When you trying to win. When you trying mean? When you're trying to win. When you're trying to win. People that try to win. Why do they say when you're trying to win, why can't the team put a roster together
Starting point is 00:31:09 that's a competitive roster? Why isn't it on the players? What you're saying is not a real thing. No one's actually, like, you getting mad at me because I'm telling you. I'm not. You're not being realistic too, bro. Like, let's keep it real.
Starting point is 00:31:20 People do do that. You see it. It happens. I know you want wanna be right. Name five people. Just name five people in 20 years, man. Like, it's not like this is a thing, like what people do.
Starting point is 00:31:35 Like taking major pay cuts. Like taking major pay cuts for somebody else. You're not the two million dollar pay cut. That's not a pay cut. That's not a pay cut, man. That's not taking less. That's not a pay cut. Like what Brunson did is they paid cut.
Starting point is 00:31:43 When you're talking them numbers. That's not a pay cut. Two million. Two million, what am I getting for? Not a pay cut man. That's not taking that's not like what Brunson did is Talking them numbers. That's not a pay cut to me. What am I getting for? Two million dollars about what I'm taking like instead of instead of 180 I'm going 178. What player am I getting to help me out? Come on, man. Let's just be honest like for real That's a mid-level guy I'm just I'm just saying what do you get for $10 million? That ain't even a mid-level. Right, you're right. That ain't a mid-level guy. Like if somebody said, if somebody said, okay I have $180 million, right? And you're asking
Starting point is 00:32:16 for $10 million, you just want $10 million and I need you. I will have to take a $10 million cut for you. That's what I'm saying. Like, is that what you want? You're right. No, that's not what I want. I'm telling you. I'm going to tell you. You know what? I'm cool, man, because it's not even like you want to have an intelligent conversation.
Starting point is 00:32:33 You just want to just dismiss the idea. All right. You're wrong. I'm just trying to have a conversation. It's not about to be right or wrong. It's not right or wrong. It's a conversation. Just say if you take two million dollar pay cut what are you actually getting back
Starting point is 00:32:52 for two million dollars that can help your team win. That's that's this conversation. So when we say LeBron. They get back. Who? Miami. Who did they get with it? Nobody. Who did they? Mike, they had baddie a, they had Mike Miller. They had Mike Miller signed his deal already. Mike Miller signed first. So has a so what happened is everybody that came. Yes. So everybody like I heard time. He was the third year. That's already that's what no, it's in real time. So Mike Miller's Mike Miller signed his deal. Okay, and in the three big the three big sign their money, right?
Starting point is 00:33:30 They're signing our money. They took they took two million dollars each less so has them can have something Because has them is that oh shit everybody coming then y'all sign He turned the money down from another team. So he was already guaranteed, he was guaranteed like what, 40 from Dallas? What was that deal? Something like that. It was like 40 from something. Right? That was the money that he was offered in hand and he said, no, no, no, no, no, we got
Starting point is 00:33:57 some better going on. So he took less money for them to sign, whatever was left over, that's what he got. So they got tolem for him. Then they been paying, they been paying him back ever since that, he did it two times for them. So they got Haslem and Ray Allen? No, this is a whole, this is a whole When did Ray Allen come?
Starting point is 00:34:16 Two years later. So they got somebody for him, right? Haslem. He wasn't part of the, no. Money change every year, People leave, dog. Like somebody else might have left and they had a reality. Like they didn't take a pick up for a reality to come. Let's shift it back.
Starting point is 00:34:32 No, that's what you wanted to be. But it's not what happened. Let's shift it back to the current time. Let's say Bron does request a trade. You guys say he needs to go to the East. How many teams in the East could you see LeBron conceivably taking to the finals next year? This season coming up. If he just goes to the East? If he goes in the East could you see LeBron conceivably taking to the finals next year this season coming up? If he just goes to these if he goes to the East I'm gonna be a down Easter conference obviously game Tatum Halley
Starting point is 00:34:52 I'll recover from Achilles injuries I'm being niggas. Take your niggas to the... Cleveland. They not going. Huh? They not going. Cleveland. That's about it, man.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Yeah. Cleveland. Unless he team up with somebody else and they say, shit, let's go back to Miami, but other than that... Hmm. Will he get his chocolate chip cookies? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like realistically, Cleveland, New York, Orlando.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Ooh. It depends on, everything is always, if he goes there, who's leaving? Who's going to be there when he gets there? That's going to always be. They go to Atlanta, they got to get Apollo. Yeah, that's what I said, if you give Apollo Wagner, then it becomes a different. They're not doing that. That is not happening.
Starting point is 00:35:36 In the Lakers, this is a powerhouse. So, last question on LeBron. LeBron was at a dinner recently with his wife Savannah, along with Kevin Love and his wife and other guests, and was heard on video saying, Savannah wants him to effing retire in a year or so. So you think this will be LeBron's final season of the league, year 23. We talked to Norris Cole, he said,
Starting point is 00:35:55 it could be either or if LeBron wants a retirement tour, he just wants to duck out. This is year 23 NBA record. That's a good one. Number 23? Tired 23? I think he got to, you don't play this long without trying to win another championship and just retire.
Starting point is 00:36:19 So one more after this one? Yeah, I think if he wins, he'll retire. If he lose, uh. Yeah, I think that's the only scenario that is last year. Gotta be if he was a champion. That's the only way that this is his last year. Last year. Yeah, but that's that's why this long just to my opinion. I just. He might want to, he might be set out to play 25 years, man. So. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:50 That's long. He's looking at the history of it. I just think it makes more sense. He plays this year. This is year 23. He's number 23. It just, it falls in line with the whole story of him. So the fact that he didn't cut this deal up to go after two more years, and this is just a mopping in, this might be the farewell. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:11 This could be. In Cleveland. Oh, look, we got some Bronnie smoke. What's that? We got some Bronnie smoke. In Cleveland? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:23 So a few pieces of business. We asked the chat, should LeBron have taken a pay cut 55% of the chat said no LeBron should not taken a pay cut and we also asked the chapel LeBron finishes career with the Lakers 59% of the chat says yes, I think he will finish his career with the Lakers Let's move on to another side of the world a lot of wishful and motherfucking Lakers in the chat We in this particular day can you hope work? move on to another side of the purple and gold. A lot of wishful and motherfucking Lakers fans in the chat. In this particular day, can your hope work? He didn't sign his...
Starting point is 00:37:47 I'm sorry, they really listen to y'all, boy. That would've been hard. Now, now... That would've been hard. If LeBron would've been a free agent, that would've been hard. Now... We also asked, will LeBron retire this season?
Starting point is 00:37:55 48% of the chat. Now, this is what I'm saying, and this is why when we talk about just rings themselves... Ah, fuck. This is the part like, why is your feelings in a conversation? We've been talking about it for two weeks. What is your feelings got to do with it? You haven't got nowhere.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Because your feelings are ringing. I didn't get anywhere. Because your feelings. You want to get it off. It's not enough Okay, you listen now if you want to win a championship and you're a free agent I'm sorry, man. This is above your pay grade if you want to there's 56 million dollars You're worth you are a free agent meaning you can go anywhere on the planet for free Right. You don't have to get traded to nowhere. So you right now can sign
Starting point is 00:38:53 Five million dollars and go play with Cleveland. You can sign whatever you do to go to here You can literally take mid-level to go to OKC to win a ring Literally take mid-level to go to OKC to win a ring. You don't even have to be traded for Jimmy Butler. You can opt out and go sign as a free agent to Golden State. Anywhere. Anywhere you, that's the conversation I'm trying to have. So it has nothing to do with what you got on your brain. If you really want to get that, that fifth ring, it could be respectable
Starting point is 00:39:25 because you took a 55 million, whatever pay cut to go sign it. But there's no guarantees in life. There's no guarantees, but no, there's no guarantee that he's gonna win, absolutely not. But for what he is, for what Gill is saying, right? And it's been the thing that he's been saying and be like just about, like, would everybody like
Starting point is 00:39:45 to win a fucking ring while they're wearing their NBA career? Absolutely, like it's, yeah, absolutely. But it ain't the end all to be all, but if it was for a lot of people, like if this, if number five was that, like for LeBron, if it meant all what he's saying, if it was all of that, for him to get to five and
Starting point is 00:40:06 What everybody say separates him from Michael Jordan is six right? You'll be one closer to that right so why not go chase that because in and Pocket watching Media pocket watching Like damn you're a billionaire. We think you, listen, you can go somewhere and help the team and win where you don't gotta sign for the 50 right now. Because you have been him, you got Nike,
Starting point is 00:40:35 you got this, you got that. This is the pocket watching shit that people do, right? So of course we looking at it like, so you don't wanna win. It doesn't mean. but he takes that five and they lose. He's getting a clown. I dumbass.
Starting point is 00:40:51 How's he getting if he didn't so this is I'm gonna take the five to go win and we don't win. No, so this is the thing if he didn't have it already then people be like, I'm but is it for some people that still will be the case. Some people know most people be like, oh shit, but for some people, that still will be the case. Some people know, most people be like, oh shit, the shit worked out for him, or the shit didn't work out for him, but.
Starting point is 00:41:12 So next question for the couch. So like David West, was it David West? He been ring checking like David West? No, what I'm saying is David West, right, even Karl Malone was making what, 20 million? And he turned, he sacrificed 19 million to come to the Lakers. And what happened? Right? He comes to the Lakers, they lost. But what I'm saying is
Starting point is 00:41:31 if ring five was that important to him and he wanted to be at least tied with Kobe, at least one closer to Jordan. Then this summer is one of those things where he says, hold on y'all. I'm gonna just fuck this whole shit up. I'm gonna be calm alone. So with my greatness and just go to another team for pennies on a dollar. Did he just sign exchange a couple years ago?
Starting point is 00:41:59 So right now we said it like we said it then like we said it two years ago that he Yeah, that he could have right that he could have did it then and got pieces Then in a better situation. No what I'm okay. Let me ask you a question right now. You don't want to wait Oh, can I show you this one money? Can I ask you a question? You're billionaire, right? Kobe fans are saying you don't have five so he's in front of you. Jordan fans is you don't care about women. I'm just asking you a question man.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Okay. I'm just asking you a question. It has nothing to do with your feelings. I'm not in my feelings. Why do you keep saying I'm in my feelings? I don't care about it. So let me ask a question. So Kobe has five and that's what the Kobe fans are using against Ron. That's what they use against Kobe. So Jordan, six. Now you have 56 million, you're a second team all NBA player.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Right, you're looking across the board, you got OKC, right, who just won a championship. You got Knicks over there, that's fully healthy. You got, you got Yanis, you got teams where if you say, hey, I'm worth 50, but I want to get this guaranteed ring or the closest thing to it You can call up okc and say hey, and I do you have a bit Do you have a mid-level section as well? I can sign up for the 1.5 right for the one year or I can go back to Cleveland
Starting point is 00:43:22 Right mm-hmm sign for 1.5 and the team stays intact. There has to be no trade. I can just sign there. Would you do it? If I wanted to get your guaranteed five? Yes. Or the closest thing to it? Get your guaranteed five or like a 90% chance of getting five.
Starting point is 00:43:40 If I was LeBron? Just you. No, you. You already got a billion dollars. I'm trying to get a ring. You're trying to get a ring. Yeah. Okay. So question for the couch and then we'll move on. So you would, so you, so you, what I'm saying is so you would do it. You would turn down 50 million cause obviously you can to just go team up in
Starting point is 00:43:57 Cleveland. So you don't have to get rid of nobody. It's just you boom. Shit. You can go down to Houston with Katie boom. There's nothing. There's nothing that's not really wants to win. Yes. So question for the couch This is what I'm asking you guys as yourselves. Would you rather have a championship ring or 53 million dollars and Just one this right now if you put one on the table What's the goal put a championship ring on the table? I put 53 million dollars on the table. Which one would you rather have 53? Okay, if I didn't play What a championship ring on the table I put 53 million dollars on the table. What's wrong with you rather 53? Okay If I didn't play like I just a champion should be on the table 53 million dollars on the table I was a hooper or just a normal person you get to pick one NBA player. Fuck it NBA player
Starting point is 00:44:34 Like you are in the NBA for you And hold on let me let me Cuz I already have an answer from him What's your answer? What's my answer? Oh yeah. So say that again. So you got a championship ring on the table. I put 53 million dollars on the table. You can pick one winners don't answer shit like that. I see how you got out of that one. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Yeah. Okay. Cool. That's some ill shit. You know, Yeah, okay cool. That's some Ilf shit, you know. Champion should bring, look at your legacy as a champion. How about this? I got $53 million. I never won this. Can I rephrase it? Go ahead, this is your show.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Don't do it. Would you give the ring you got for $53 million? What, I give my ring? Give your ring back. Put it in my heart right now? No, just take it. the ring you got for 53 million. Well, I give my ring? Give your ring back. 53 million. You're putting it in my heart right now? No, no.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Just straight catch it. Hey, man. Straight catch it. Hey, man. You can just take that shit and take that shit off my name for 53 million. For 53 million right now. Isn't this a colony?
Starting point is 00:45:37 Yeah. Where your life going right now? We're life's going front. That's how we're going. No, motherfucker. Coaching at the B3? Listening to them niggas talk down to you and shit. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:50 You ain't gotta take that shit no more, nigga. 53 million. You ain't gotta listen to me. You don't have to be a fool. You ain't gotta deal with me. You ain't gotta deal with this thing. You'd be a what? A fool. No, to be a what huh you'd be a what?
Starting point is 00:46:11 Fool not to take the ring. Hey, I know where you won't be able to go back to No to logical part no no the not logical. See 50 million, that's a ring right here, sit right here. But it's a shiny ring. You got diamonds. But that is the problem. Your name on it? No, because.
Starting point is 00:46:36 She gonna text you, hey don't even come this way bruh. Then if you sign it, she gonna text you like who's this? Who is this? Watch out, you take them kids. That's not logical text you like, who is this? Who is this? Watch out, you take them kids. I don't know the logical though. No, that is the logical. In reality, that's the logical one. Money in hand in the ring.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Whenever we're talking about it, it's always in the what if form because we can just say whatever. But in real time, LeBron is saying it because he has the money in hand. Like the money is is on the table that's saying you don't like to win huh it's not a winner it that does I'm saying is worse when the money's there then you say it 50 already got a billion dollars what I'm trying to tell you. A billion and 53 million is better than a billion. Either he feel he could win with the Lakers or he don't care about winning.
Starting point is 00:47:29 So in reality that 56 is? 52.6. All right, but let's keep this. So it's 52.6. Yeah, 52.6. So imagine that 52 is after taxes, everything, and fuck it, they chopping that shit down, lost all that shit.
Starting point is 00:47:41 Yeah, well you know we don't think that far. I know, but I'm just kidding. We just said 56. Just give me 56. About 28, well you know we don't think that far. I know, but I'm just telling you. We just said 56. Just give me 56. About 28, 30. But we just. That's crazy, bro. Even the 30s.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Now you see what I'm talking about. He tripping. So the ring in 30 minutes. But that's what I'm saying. Like that's what I'm getting point. It's tripping. Yo, you can, man, you line that ring up in five million on the table. Guaranteed, a lot of motherfuckers gonna be like, man, fuck that ring.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Well, then you got a billion, though. But that's not, when they're playing, you're not gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a million. You're gonna get a ring up and find me on the table. Guaranteed lot of motherfuckers gonna be like,
Starting point is 00:48:05 man, fuck that ring. Well, then you got a billion. But when the money's there and you have to take it today, and you have a chance to ring, everybody's been saying, no, just give me the money. Because the idea of a Hooper is, give me the money today, I'll figure that ring shit out later. That's how we He can't do that he can't think to the future
Starting point is 00:48:33 That's why now isn't that's why the ring isn't just in our mind a lot of you might as well the ring should be now If you if that's part of your plan and legacy right that you're trying to get this Every excuse is he planned 22 years. Of course, he should break every record Let's keep this thing moving stick with the purple go So also Reeves coming off the best season of his career established stuff as the best third option in the league Reeves put up career highs with 20.6 assists, five rebounds, and 73 starts, also career high. So as expected, Reeves declined. The Lakers four-year, 89.2 million dollar extension offer
Starting point is 00:49:11 will bet on himself this season. Reeves entered the third year of his four-year, 53.8 million dollar deal he signed back in 2023. He'll make close to 14 million this season, has a 15 million dollar option for the 26-27 season. So next summer, the man known as Limit Daddy is eligible for even a bigger extension should he decide to opt out and become a free agent.
Starting point is 00:49:29 One person lobbying for Reeves is his agent who reacted to a highlight reel of him with the following tweet back in late May. He said, quote, next year is going to be a show. People really have no idea what's to come. Keep putting them in trade rumors for second string centers. That is Aaron Riley from the AMR agency, Reeves' agency.
Starting point is 00:49:45 So Rob Palinka said in the Lakers exit interviews about his big three of Luca LeBron and Reeves, I think those guys have a lot of promise playing together. We're gonna put in the work to allow that group of guys to win a championship together. But looking at the financials and the potential for Reeves to get even bigger big day, I think something in the like the 200 million range he'd be eligible for. Sure, he should get it. Expect the Lakers to move for Reeves to get even bigger big day, I think something in like the 200 million range he'd be eligible for
Starting point is 00:50:06 Expect the Lakers to move awesome reads before the trade deadline Papa the limo that be a fool No, okay Play the year out as a Laker man, then he can opt out become a free agent He's out tonight that shit no matter what that's what I'm saying. So if you're a Laker, you know that. He turned this down. It's 80. Exactly. Next up to 100. Yeah, that's, yeah. He's even close. Who's gonna pay for all that? That's 120 of his money. Yeah, that's shit. He deserves it. He deserved it. What was the pick?
Starting point is 00:50:42 Was he second round pick? I think undrafted. He deserved it, bro. Yeah, you know, it ain't even in question. He got an average 20 and lost on this team. Shit, listen, bro. Yeah. Papa DiLimo.
Starting point is 00:50:50 If they don't, they don't look like JJ gonna dick them though. You know, sometimes the coaches like- Undrafted. Yeah. Signed as undrafted. Mess around playing time and shit. Just try to cut your money for next year. You know, you know, you're not gonna get a chance to get a chance to get a chance to
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Starting point is 00:51:05 Mr. Unplanned time and shit. Try to cut your money for next year, but... Do we see a situation similar to what happened to the Major? No, they ain't a situation, but they gotta win though. The Major's gotta win. But we need a discount. Live with Daddy, he got billboards. Or J.J. ass gonna be...
Starting point is 00:51:21 White on white crime, dog. That's gonna be some white on white crime. No, no. Right now, motherfucker. If it was me, I would've been scared. Damn, man. So he ain't gonna take a pay cut to win a ring. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:51:33 He not gonna take a pay cut to win the ring, yeah? Yeah. So... How many times has this conversation changed? It evolves, right? I mean, that's... It evolved from money and rings. That's what... Well, if you're trying to win a ring, that's what It evolved, right? I mean, that's- It evolved from money and rings. That's what, wait, if you're trying to win a ring,
Starting point is 00:51:47 that's what they said, right? We're trying to build the ring around- So now it's about pay cuts to take a... So first it started from T-Mac, then it started to take in pay cuts. T-Mac with the airfowl, it was with Shaq, then it was with Kobe, and then- That conversation has nothing.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Where did this pay cut money to get a championship shit come from? Yeah, you wasn't here. Oh, okay, I wasn't here. Well, you do have championship experience. I'm just saying you wasn't here for this conversation. Oh, okay, I was like... Yeah, this is season, this is season one.
Starting point is 00:52:17 So you expect Lakers to ride it out with Reeves and say, no, no, no, this is season one, you know, when we wanted to keep Caruso, sign him, take a friendly deal for the... Two-time NBA champion Alex Caruso. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. When we were trying to sign him back, so we can bring back, so we can get our team back.
Starting point is 00:52:35 And he was like, no, I got more money over there. Yeah, I do. He didn't want to sign his nine million dollars in the winter ring. Went under... Nope, I want my money. But he ended up winning. He took his money and got and got one see that's what the players do I want my money first then we can figure out the win so he made the right decision
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Starting point is 00:54:44 So number one overall pick, Cooper Flagg, expected to make his NBA debut at Summer League in Las Vegas. League is looking to maximize viewership with a marquee matchup when games tip off Thursday, July 10th. Flagg and his Mavs squad will take on the Lakers, where Brownie expected to be on the floor as he gears up for his sophomore season with the purple and gold. Flagg also expected to participate in the Mavs' second Summer League game
Starting point is 00:55:04 against the Spurs and number two overall pick Dylan Harper. But let's get back to the main event as he's known, participating in what could be the main event of NBA summer league. Do you guys like the league putting Cooper Flag's Mavs against Bronnie's Lakers on opening night of Vegas summer league?
Starting point is 00:55:19 Yeah, it's hard. They give us a smoke. They may sell out the arena for it. Thomas and Mack, I mean, Bronnie already sells out that arena, but you know, but he does. He does. Oh, this is going to be good.
Starting point is 00:55:31 I better get tickets now. NBA Summer League, a lot of shows will be out there. I was expecting to be on the couch with y'all this year. It's because you got punked by Isaiah last year, you don't want to go back. You don't want go back. Huh? You don't wanna go to Vegas no more cause Isaiah was Stuart.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Be Stuart. Whooped your ass out there, that's why. That was in Tacoma actually Swaggy, but. That was in Vegas? That was in Tacoma. Oh my bad. At the Z-Kid. He was doing that in Vegas, LA right here.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Oh my bad. My bad, my bad, my bad. Keep my weapons in Vegas. I was on this home turf, I was on this home turf, didn't even know I had problems. But you guys rolling with the NBA putting the Mavs against the Lakers. Play twice.
Starting point is 00:56:15 No, some relationship. Play twice. Hooper flag in the Mavs. Man, that's going to be good. Brownies, Lakers, yeah. That's going to be good. Very well attended. There's gonna be so many people in there. What?
Starting point is 00:56:30 Who else play that day, that same day? Well, I mean, you know, technically. Technically, we can't, you know, I mean, you wanna buy your tickets just in case, but you still gotta look sideways because you don't know if he gonna be here. Who is he? We know Brownie gonna be here. Who is he? We know Bronnie will be here.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Oh, no, not if it's a trade. Before that. If Bron, like this free agency, if Bron gets traded, right? He taking the son with him. My dad. Me and him. You didn't want him to play, like it's me and him. You didn't want him to pick. It's me and him. We went in together.
Starting point is 00:57:07 So we out of here so that means if he gets treated. That's the only reason he stayed. Hopefully this happens after July 10th so we can at least get that game. Yeah, we gotta wait. By 11 days, just be careful. Alright, let's pray. July 10th, Vegas Summer League. So during Flagg's introductory press conference with the Mavs, Jason Kidd talked about how he plans on utilizing his number one pick, giving a glimpse of what's
Starting point is 00:57:30 to come this summer and this upcoming season. I want to put him at the point guard. I want to make him uncomfortable and see how he reacts, being able to run the show, being able to play the two, play the three. He's comfortable playing that, but we want to push. And I think he's going to respond in a positive way. It's our right to fail. It's our right to turn the ball over.
Starting point is 00:57:59 We've talked about that. Just understanding the guys that I've been around that are being young from Yanis giving him the ball and he failed. But he wanted to come back and have the ball. So I'm excited about giving him the ball against the Lakers and see what happens. Let's get it started right off the bat. Let's get it started right off the bat. So you look at Cooper flag, obviously led Duke in assists in his freshman season. Mavs being down, Kyrie with a foreseeable future, expected to come back some point later.
Starting point is 00:58:33 January, February perhaps. Think Flagg can handle playing some point forward in his rookie season. I think it would be good for him, especially with J.K. Looking Yanis, Yanis push the ball up full court. It'd be good for that to his game, to bring his game, add more light to his game, ball handling. He already got everything else, you know, with that, with the energy he have, if he had a handle, man, be, he's just gonna get more scared.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Can you like J.Kid putting the Cooper flag at the one at points this season? Oh yeah, no, I can say, get started in the summer, like put him in a situation, see how he handle it. Yeah, see what his temperature gauge is for it. And like J.K. is, stay there. And I'm saying there's nothing wrong with failing. There's nothing like trying something
Starting point is 00:59:27 and then going back and try to correct it. Watch the film, see the things you did right. Having an honest conversation with one of the best point guards to ever play this game. So who better to teach you the position or how to handle the position than him, right? Having Kyrie there, having Kyrie's vision and knowledge on the sideline at the beginning
Starting point is 00:59:49 is gonna help. Yeah, so I think it'd be all right, man. This NBA is not like somebody's gonna be pressuring him 94 feet. So it's cool. How you feel about Cooper Flag playing some point this season with the Mavs? Obviously Kyrie down with the touring ACL
Starting point is 01:00:04 till January, February, according to reports. That's a big lineup you can roll out. You can put AD at the point. Bringing the ball up is not the point guard. Point guard position is actually running offense. So I don't think he's going to be running off. He's just going to bring the ball down like Giannis. right? But if they can pull it off, which I'm pretty sure he's going to be at what we're going to call a
Starting point is 01:00:30 point forward like Lamar Oldham like Pippen, you know, like, you know those type of players in the past, right? It keeps their lineup big. He's about what six seven with his shoes off six nine so he can guard those. He can guard little guards? No, he can guard someone like a Brunton, because Brunton doesn't have that foot speed, right? So he can give him some room, use his length.
Starting point is 01:01:00 Someone like Shay too crafty, someone like Fox too fast. Yeah, no, he won't have to guard them. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean? But if he did have to, if you're playing him at the point, that means you have Gafford and Lively in, so that means your team is real big, so it's basically just funnel everybody to the rim style. And Washington, too. You have Washington and Clay, so if that's what he's thinking about I mean shit That's like that's it. That's your 2k line up. You can go flag clay PJ
Starting point is 01:01:30 ad ad and then Fucking forgetting I'm forgetting a To be honest, you're Marshawn David you can just sit sit around and fuck around and he will know and fuck around and go Cooper flag Pj Washington, but PJ you guard the point No lively ad and gaffer and just see what the fuck happens out there. Yes So when I was over walker reason working in the game shit special situations, right and
Starting point is 01:02:02 When I was over walking, we was in the game, she had special situations, right? And we were working on the defensive side, I was one time, and J.K. put John Henson and Yannis on the ball. Like the ball was out of the side, out of bounds, and he put two people on it, like put two seven footers, put them on the ball. Like shit like that, like that's where his brain works.
Starting point is 01:02:18 So just thinking outside the box, like, you got two seven footers on the in-bounds play. Like they take the ball on the side, you put Yannis and John Henson in the game, put him on the ball that was in practice. I was like Yeah, good luck Good luck in that bitch in Cuz then nobody go expect you to do it. I put yeah, I was saying everyone the bubble bubble the bubble team I mean now we had a
Starting point is 01:02:42 We had Caruso, I mean now we had, Javel, LeBron at the point, Kuzma at the two, then we have 80, Javel, and Dwight. I was like, oh man. Two K's. Woo. Big ass team. That was a big ass team.
Starting point is 01:03:00 That was a big ass lineup. Sit in the zone on they whole asses. That's crazy. Good luck. Sit in the zone on their whole asses. That's crazy. Good luck. Sitting his own on their whole ass. That's what they want. It was shocking to me. It was shocking they didn't bring that team.
Starting point is 01:03:14 So, Flagg, 18 years old, turns 19 in December. Do you think he can handle the pressure of having to play point forward at this early stage in his career? Yes. Skill set. He handled the ball well, so it's just skill set. Just work on it throughout, like yeah, no it's... And good to see J.K. saying, I'm gonna allow him to fail,
Starting point is 01:03:35 put him in an uncomfortable position, kind of deal with that now in the short term, hopefully for some long term benefits once he gets comfortable. He gonna be all right, man. Handling that role. Get a kid confidence man. He already had like a little handle though
Starting point is 01:03:50 in the beginning, yeah. Man, we need to just work on his mid-range, post three point shot. Got everything else, I feel like. Reminds me of, I mean, it's not as, as fluent as the, when they drafted, when Lakers drafted Magic with the idea of, okay, you're shooting guard, small forward, and then you play point, but it's your vision that was. We had Norm Nixon.
Starting point is 01:04:21 We had Norm Nixon. You know, so from the two of just them, the starting guards, they was averaging about what, 17? 17, 18, the six between the two. It was like seven, nine, eight, nine, 10. Then it was like, you know what? Norm, you good. But it's better with him.
Starting point is 01:04:38 We're faster with him. Let's just get some off guards that can guard the point. And then we can just run, or they can just play some fucking defense around here and then give magic the ball so we'll see what's going on but Kyrie you know cutting his deal up to extend it for pennies on a dollar gave them a lot of flexibility too I mean low-key them a lot of flexibility too. I mean low-key, Mavericks is in a good position. That was the general consensus. Because you save so much money on the Luka trade, then Kyrie saves you money trying to hand back, get the number one
Starting point is 01:05:18 pick, and you got a lot of money moving forward. You got a good like two- year window. Yeah. With this crew to be able to do something. We should have did that here in the late. Yeah, it would have been nice. No, but my Wizards, we got money to give. The Washington Hunk.
Starting point is 01:05:33 We saved money just in no accident because niggas is trash. Pfft. Ha ha ha. Accidentally saved me. Wizards. Ha ha ha. Is that why you hate no me today?
Starting point is 01:05:43 You read up a reminder. Yeah. This ain't even your color though. This is not even a it was Teal. But don't look at the name. This is new. This is after I left. This is about 95 degrees in the valley. This is after I left brother.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Did you wear this color? Yeah. Oh, this is when he was fucking young. Yeah, my bad. I am 95 degrees in the valley. You're wearing a jacket in the area. It was this color. See, I ain't even thinking of my bad right damn 95 degrees in the valley you're wearing a jacket in the area it was this color see I ain't even thinking of my bad does this hurt more the little D low this one yeah I figured cuz that this one cost
Starting point is 01:06:16 your money it did cause me my bad I didn't even know me he should have told me the little D low that she was a one of the reasons to Little dealer also your friend for the maps and then when I left it was your team But I was your friend so they ain't like that. Oh, they don't like it. Yeah, my bad Guilty, so look I'll rep when you not here cuz I want to bring up those memories that cost you money Okay. Well, let's shift this thing over So LeBron isn't the only big name opting to stay in LA for the time being. 11 time All-Star 2025,
Starting point is 01:06:47 13 All-MBA selection James Harden, opting out of the final year of his deal with the Clippers, resigning a two-year contract worth nearly $82 million. So according to Shonob, the second year of Harden's deal has a player option, is partially guaranteed to give him and the team some flexibility heading into the 2026 off season. Harden held it down for the Clippers last season with Kawhi only appearing in 37 regular season games
Starting point is 01:07:08 making his first all-NBA team since 2020 while averaging 23 points, nine assists, six rebounds in 79 games, the most he's played since the 2016-17 season. He was the only player this past season with 1,500 points, 500 assists, 100 steals and 50 blocks and played the fifth most total minutes in the league. So hard to stay in with the Clippers, a good move for him and the team. Yeah, what else they gonna get?
Starting point is 01:07:34 That boy is nice, shit. What else they gonna get? What you gonna get? Unless you get mellow. Clippers finished fifth in the West this season. Remember we talked before the season started with Kawhi's injury concerns. Missing the extended amount of time.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Can we get on to the next topic, man? Why, you don't like this? You don't like the Clippers? No, because the Lakers didn't do it. Dudes taking restructuring for betterment of T. I think I got an increase in salary with that move. Yeah, we will talk all things NBA here in Gills. We're gonna present about a hundred on the move.
Starting point is 01:08:10 I can't wait till he get traded now, man. Let's be honest, man. I ain't never heard you talk like this about him. Just take your player, man. Y'all get the fuck on out of here, man. I ain't never heard you talk about him like this. See how you switch up? What's wrong with you?
Starting point is 01:08:22 Because I'm a Laker fan first. He must've pay you this month. No Because I'm a Laker fan first. He must have paid you this month. No, I'm a Laker fan first. First becomes Laker. So if you take a pay cut and restructure your deal, the Lakers, we ain't good money. This is a Clippers topic. We good money.
Starting point is 01:08:42 We like real set up. We set up for the future That's all I'm saying is all I'm saying is we good moving forward is so the fact that Who's free agency right now? You can look at me all you want Them niggas over there holding us hostage It was cool when Kobe did it because he is Mr. Laker. So he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Five ring.
Starting point is 01:09:07 We don't want an outside nigga coming over here just holding us hostage. Gil LeBron brought the Lakers the hardest championship in NBA history. That was cool and we appreciate you for that. But now we try. Show your love. Now we got a white man, okay? Now we got a white man as the man in this thing.
Starting point is 01:09:22 So- Hard to be the most important Slovenian in the history of the country. So we just sell out brotherhood. Sell out brothers on the next show. Sometimes you gotta sell out, sometimes you gotta turn against your own. Sell out brothers on the next show.
Starting point is 01:09:33 To get ahead in life. We knew this day was coming. Sell out brotherhood. It's like Call of Duty, man. You over there, I can save you, but the smoke coming. Well, I can just keep running that away. That's all.
Starting point is 01:09:46 But look, but hearing everybody take pay cuts to restructure deals is- Well, look, I think Harden had about 36 million on his player options actually getting more bread as a result of this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 01:09:58 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, restructure you're getting more but it's less on the salary cap so yeah like if he stays in his deal it's whatever that cap is if I restructure and I give you 15 more million who is 15 more million added to what it is divided by two now right so it saves the team more money today well I think it's like 46 more million, right? Because the upside of the 30 ends up getting two for 82. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:28 A little bit more. Hard and a little bit younger. So the fact that, you know, what our team is right now, what the structure of the three that we have is two decided to take a nice little pick. Okay, with Austin, I don't, you know, I know, I get it. Trust me, I get it. Big fella, big name. And I know, I know as a player it's not in your job. Austin gotta get it. To help them out because this is their friend. Whoever this dude is, I get the logistics. He is worth what he's worth. You trying to get this, so taking a 50 something million dollar
Starting point is 01:11:06 pay cut at the end of your career to help him in the future of his team, where it is his team. He's gonna make his money back today, tomorrow, next year, 20 years from now. He's gonna be, I get the logistics of it, but you know. But back to James Harden. Tell him. And the Los Angeles Clippers. I'm not a Clipper fan, but whatever.
Starting point is 01:11:28 This is an NBA show. The fact that they're doing it over there. Swaggy, how do you feel? He's not a Clipper fan either. As a former Clipper. You gonna answer for me? Go ahead and answer. Fuck the Clippers.
Starting point is 01:11:38 No, no, that's why it's like fuck Hector. That's why I'm like fuck Hector. Fuck them Clippers. Don't ask me no shit about them Clippers. Go ask the Clipper. Let's move on to this side of the couch. Level headed reasonable man. Distinguished gentleman by all accounts.
Starting point is 01:11:56 Hard to say if the Clippers a good move for him and the team. Before they went on their tangent or whatever. Who else they gonna go get? For one, that's gonna do with James, gonna do his production. Yeah, no, it's a good deal for him. For one, for the team, if they able to do something with it, if it saves them some money, if they able to do something with it. We'll see. But no, it seems that it's team beneficial right now. You're not going to replace James Harden production with anybody on the open market right now. So yeah. Good move for both sides. So is this a big name free agency this year? That's what I'm
Starting point is 01:12:44 saying. It's a really good basketball player that this year? Mm. That's what I'm saying. It's a really good basketball player that can help you win. That's what this free agency is. It just says, it just says this is, I mean, it just says last year then. It says what? This means last year.
Starting point is 01:12:57 His last year with the Clippers, you think? No, like. What? I'm still stuck on my team, not doing anything. Oh, you're talking about Lebron it then oh no he's not talking about Lebron still. This has got to be his last. This is a Clippers segment do you have any good Clippers takes? I'm your conscience. I'm just I'm just listening to what everybody is doing to stay so James Harden knowing that it's easier for him now to negotiate his deal versus playing this year and then trying to get into next year trying to negotiate so
Starting point is 01:13:31 it's easier to cut his deal up now get more money it's hot right now same thing with Kyrie it's easier for him to negotiate then going through a whole year coming back at the end of the season then say hey what am I worth so but do you think if Kyrie didn't suffer the torn ACL, he would have approached it the same way? It would have been a different situation. No, no, no, he would have opted out for a new deal. Yeah, but it would have been a little bit more bread
Starting point is 01:13:54 on the table of reports. He would have looked at the 50 to 60 million rain. It works out for both parties. So, you know, so that means they're adding multiple years. So the fact that somebody didn't add multiple years meaning this is it. As a Clipper, what are they missing? I know you're talking about LeBron,
Starting point is 01:14:09 but as a Clipper, what are they missing though? Like what piece are they away? Is it just Kawhi being healthy? They need a healthy Kawhi, and they need another. Norm Powell can be there. If he has another consistent year like he did, and James production is what that is. He need to find his way with them two on the court.
Starting point is 01:14:29 He kind of, He need another big, like that's mobile for it. Power, power. Y'all need a straight, Power, yeah. A shooting big, like y'all need a shooting big. Zuback is what he is. Who was they for?
Starting point is 01:14:40 Which is Derrick Jones Jr. Derrick Jones Jr. Then you had it. They ran Chris, they ran that small lineup too. Yeah, seeing their small lineup was small. People been sending us out there at times. But they went a Kawhi Harden, Dunne, Powell, in the two box. Yeah, they had to go small when they went in.
Starting point is 01:14:56 They're small, small. Like when they had to compete, they had to go small. And that wasn't beneficial, but no, they need a, they need a boldly type. They need someone that can still beneficial, but no, they need a, they need a Mobley type. They need someone that can still defend, keep it, get those rebounds and still play on the outside to keep. Ain't no many Mobleys out there. You can put him in.
Starting point is 01:15:14 I know, I know. First off, Porzingis out there together. Porzingis, now that would have been the ideal person. Porzingis, that would have been the ideal, cause he defends, he's active and then he can shoot and stretch the floor. You somebody like that I know. I know he don't play.
Starting point is 01:15:29 I know. Yeah. But that's the idea. That's what they need to kind of. Yeah. Santi Aldama I believe unrestricted free agent too potential option if they could. Yeah. Or excuse me, restricted free agent. He should have. They could wheel and deal.
Starting point is 01:15:40 Bo Bo? No, that's the kid from Memphis, right? Yeah, Santi. What did they add to him? No. No? Give Bo Bo going to the Lakers. Because they trying to Yes, I see. What did they add in there? No. Gil Bo Bo going to the Lakers. Because they trying to like, I don't know. I'm just saying if they added in.
Starting point is 01:15:48 Yeah, but I just, if they trying to do something now. I mean, if they trying to do something serious, I know. Yeah, the kid from Memphis, like he's. Yeah. So Clippers were tied with the Lakers and Nuggets for the third best record in the West last season, but fell to fifth through the tiebreakers. We talked about this a little bit. What's the Clippers ceiling with the healthy Kauai next season?
Starting point is 01:16:07 Only played 37 regular season games last year, Harden held it down and embraced more of a leadership role. Norm Powell was playing at an all-star level. They, the ceiling, I don't know, whatever it is, it's gonna be. But one thing that they, we all think that they gonna have monitor Kauai once again. To what extent? Don't know.
Starting point is 01:16:27 But in order to compete in the playoffs, that's so whatever the ceiling is, I have it. What do you think if they get Kawhi in the 55, 60 game range? Game seven with Denver? That's good for them. Yeah, that would be really good. If they get five or 60 games, that's a win.
Starting point is 01:16:43 They lost the person who they was up by what? They should have, they should have beat them. He should definitely be the no back to back guy. Yeah, see that's, Clippers is in a weird spot because the owner is a basketball junkie holding on to the idea of if everyone stays healthy, we have a chance, and not realizing that if one goes, that chance is gone. And if you're not preparing to like kind of get somebody in there that you can build on. You can go from this three to five all the way back down
Starting point is 01:17:29 because when Harden's older, Kawhi's older and you don't have, and then your young pieces are not stars. So you need some, you really need. You're not happy with what you've seen with Kawhi? This playoff, it was bomb. Why? Yeah, I just play off this ball No, what I'm saying is how many years do you have before you have to flip this whole team upside down? Yeah, next year, okay This guy got nothing to do with this conversation, but he just came to mind when we thinking about a goddess
Starting point is 01:18:00 Zach Levine like what is it? He's like somebody like that. Yeah, like you know... He's just dying. Like somebody like that. He's just dying in sex. No, what I'm saying is that's a guy that you can kind of still build three to four years over. For years around, somebody like that. That's a name, that's a score, that's
Starting point is 01:18:18 can still... Bonus. Like what the fuck is going on out here? They just dying in the sack bro. Oh it's a graveyard. It's a graveyard bro. It's a graveyard bro. But obviously he just came to mind as far as somebody who could help with this.
Starting point is 01:18:35 I know Demar is sick over there. They do have seven children. He's gonna get you 25. One of them goes down. He can get you 25. He can still consistently do his. One of them goes down. He can get you. Yeah They need someone they need someone that is Part of the big three and young enough to be two or one if shit goes sour
Starting point is 01:19:04 And right now they're they're literally in a position to have to win now, but not actually built to win now. Yeah. I like that squad though. I like the squad to keep falling in third to fifth. They knocking on the door. Losing in the second round like that. Yeah. It took them into the center. Like when we talk about the rest of the field,
Starting point is 01:19:18 OKC won a championship and they're so young that. Top nine coming. Right, you know what I mean? That they're literally, they're gonna young that Top nine coming right you know what I mean that they're they're literally they're gonna be at the door not knocking they're gonna be opening the door like who's out there trying to fight for this for the next six years they're already in the house they're sitting in the living room first one you see we enter the house god damn it they sit in the first room so everybody who's knocking is oldest as fuck like, here we come young fella, we gonna give it to you. But Denver took them to a seven.
Starting point is 01:19:49 I know. And they took Denver to a seven. But Denver still, like Yoke is just a 32. Well we thought they weren't neither. Because they got Nicola, Denver team is flawed as well. Denver gotta get better, Denver team is flawed as well. But they still took the champions to a seven. Yeah, the young boys opened the door
Starting point is 01:20:08 and took out the old people. Now they're sitting in there and everybody's kind of old knocking on the door. There's no young buck team. Buzz Eyes, Indy, Orlando. But we don't even know if they're going to knock yet. Cleveland. No, they're going to knock.
Starting point is 01:20:23 Cleveland. And then you got New York. Orlando gonna knock this year. New York is still, like New York team, their stars is younger than the Clippers. Yeah, you got them, you got Orlando out there. The only thing that saved us is Reeves and Luca. Even Cleveland's still young.
Starting point is 01:20:40 Yeah, yeah. That's like, so before we move on, Swaggy, producers wanted me to ask you a question. How would you summarize your 22 games with the Clippers in five words or less? I did. We bust your ass. That was like the Abba-tire-gill. You did. I did.
Starting point is 01:20:57 Thank fashion. Same go to the gulag. Five words or less. I was in the gulag and like, you know what? I was in the gulag. I was in the gulag. I was in the gulag. I was in the gulag. I was in the gulag. I was in the gulag. I was in the gulag. I was. Thank you. Thank you to the Gulag.
Starting point is 01:21:06 Five words less. I was in the Gulag and like you know what? We had fun though man. We had fun. Come on man. Just take me out of my misery. Come on Gulag man. We played before that. We played before the playoffs. But how would you summarize those 22 games, five words or less? I'm feeling generous. I'll give you six words if you need. Oh man. Fuck Chris Paul, that's how I'm feeling. They passed me the ball.
Starting point is 01:21:37 Three words, you don't even need to say she did it in three words. I got them last minute shots he gave me. You didn't like the grenades? Hell no. Damn man. You think I like that shit? I could do something with it, but who like getting the ball over two seconds all the time?
Starting point is 01:21:58 Corner boys. You can hear him and shoot that. You need more than two seconds to be swaggy. You played 22 games? I think, no I was happy man. It was cool, it was just good to get out of the Wizards. Bro you was like nine years removed from the Wizards then. You went to Philadelphia.
Starting point is 01:22:17 No that was my first team. I got traded from the Wizards to the Clippers. Yeah. You didn't go to Philly first? No, Philly was after. Okay. Yeah, I was just happy to get out, man. I feel you.
Starting point is 01:22:33 It happens. You know, they didn't embrace you, man. That's cool. They were trying to. We were trying to. Oh, it was a lot. That's why it was a lot going on with y'all. All right, well that team could have did something.
Starting point is 01:22:47 That team could have did something. Which one? Big Shot going down hurt. Oh, he was fun, right? Oh, that was that head. Big Shot going down hurt. Oh, that was 2011. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:58 Big Shot going down hurt. Yep. Cause we both, yep. You was there before me? Probably not after. It was the- I came from, I don't know what the trade- You got traded through, yeah. No, there before me? Probably not after. It was the uh. I came from, I don't know where the trade.
Starting point is 01:23:07 I think you got traded too, yeah. No, I came from, see the thing is was. You came from New York? No, I shoulda, I came from China. I shoulda took my ass to Miami, is what I shoulda did. It was a free agency, you went. It was a lockout. It was a lockout, you saw it.
Starting point is 01:23:21 I was a free agent. Lookin' at the landscape, I don't know when these boys are going to play basketball. And I had three and a half on the table. I was like, ugh. And then I came back. It was like... Ni hao. It was Miami, Cleveland. I mean, the Clippers. And Chauncey there, just teammates in Denver, like it was kids in LA. I'm like, yeah!
Starting point is 01:23:49 Cause Chauncey was mad as shit. Cause we both got amnestied. And then the best thing about amnestied is you got 11 days to pray that nobody picks you up. Cause if they pick you up, you stuck in your contra. What's going on during those 11 days? How much prayer is that? You know what I mean? Like, come on. So you wanted another guy right? No, that's what so
Starting point is 01:24:09 Yeah, so what happens is when you get amnesty the team that amnesty you they hold your money now Clippers, so he's got amnesty when the Clippers pick them up. They pick up this contract. Oh And you know if you're playing like come on dog They pick up this contract. Oh, and you know if you're playing like come on dog If you if you go through the 11 days, they still owe you the money And you know the Clippers won't you they get to sign you for another contract Oh, yeah, so I was getting I was getting paid from Orlando and Memphis Damn yeah, I went down Orlando and China were they sending you checks? How were you getting the brand new? Bro, I was getting so much money man.
Starting point is 01:24:48 I don't even know man. They could have sent that bitch in a store. I didn't care. I was getting two deals. So I got Amnesty and got more money. Washington and Orlando was playing? Yeah, so no. So I was in Orlando. Right? So when they Amnesty, they Amnesty
Starting point is 01:25:04 66 million. Once they Amnesty, they amnesty 66 million. Once they amnesty, that deal is done. You can't do nothing with me no more. Like I can't lose it. It's done. I can got, I could have got, went on a killer spree out here. Nothing. That deal is sealed under, no I'm just saying I could have did whatever.
Starting point is 01:25:21 That deal is sealed and under. And then when, so when you're negotiating with me, you're negotiating me for a brand new contract. You could have went on a peace spree as well. Yeah, why can't we just be like, what the fuck? I'm just saying I'm just going as the highest level of dumbness. Okay, okay, okay. You know, just stupidity.
Starting point is 01:25:34 I could have did that, right? I could have just been stupid. That deal is locked, loaded in the bank. No matter what you did. No matter what I did. Okay, okay, yeah. And then, so when I signed with Memphis, that's why when people was like,
Starting point is 01:25:44 yeah, you got black like no, I got 66 guaranteed you got to talk me off the couch Like so when Lakers called it was like I Balling and then now you got to try to convince me the situation here in LA is worth me leaving my couch So that's why I said I'm negotiating like yeah, man, I don't think you need me right now. Player, you know what I mean? Who else you want? You got too comfortable with that?
Starting point is 01:26:09 Sessions, look, Ramone Sessions right now. Oh yeah. That's what I'm sounding like. And then I'm there in March. Yeah, it was, cause I was supposed to go there too. March, I get the call from my agent talking about, yeah Memphis is looking for a backup and they need you to come this weekend.
Starting point is 01:26:24 Hey man, look, my son's birthday, man, is about to happen. We're about to throw a party, man. So look, hey man, look, I'll come after the birthday party, man, I ain't gonna come be folk. Then I went there, no clothes, went there, worked out, heading to the airport like, man, look, good luck this year, man, y'all look good.
Starting point is 01:26:43 Y'all look good, man. And then I'm to the airport and then I get the call they want to sign you right now it was this bro i mean that's cool like i appreciate you yeah they got this right now like right now but do you have to sign it is like 750 like right now mid season it's like yeah 750 just free cash money 750 just free cash money. Oh, I'd be done to turn down 750 just to go back to sit Orlando and fish. It's only a couple more games. I I'm man.
Starting point is 01:27:16 I man and then turn around and sign that deal. You learn something new every single day of Gills Rain and presented by underdog. You know, yeah't you know? Yeah, you know I was happy. I was happy you was playing them behind the scenes shit, but people just don't know happy You was playing 11 days. You wanted to chill. I'm shit. I was you chilling Like like I'm getting deals I remember Was dr. Vizier coach not any
Starting point is 01:27:43 What was Doc Revis all coach? No, any Because I had got the call like y'all can even Google this like the 2013 I got the call from the Clippers who was trying to Or doc was their coach. Yeah doc. So they they signed JJ for 23. Yeah, cuz what happened is I was a free agent and We was playing it with the Clippers club You know how Clippers open up, they started first, and then Lakers like open up at the last two weeks right before training camp. So when I was going again, so I played with the Clippers, I'm like, oh, we interested in you, cool, okay.
Starting point is 01:28:14 And then I went to the, got invited to Lakers, Eddie Jordan is here, and then it was bad back Steve, and then Steve Blake, and I'm sitting here playing against both of them like, I can be the starter here. Yeah, I can be the starter here. So when it was over and I'm getting a call for free agency for training invite to the Clippers,
Starting point is 01:28:38 I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I'm cool, man. I'd rather go to China. Damn. You didn't do the Lakers? Me, huh? You didn't wanna do the Lakers? Me, huh? You didn't want to do the Lakers? I wanted to do the Lakers, but they didn't have no roster
Starting point is 01:28:47 and Clippers was offering me to go to training camp. But I'm like, y'all already just signed JJ. So Chris Paul, JJ and Jamal Tinsley. I mean, Jamal Crawford. I got a plan. I don't want to sit on the bench for a million. Yeah, I could have a championship, but I don't want to Miami.
Starting point is 01:29:04 Do you regret not doing that in hindsight? It's always 2020, bro, but... They couldn't guarantee you the minutes that you were looking for. You and Miami. And then everything that came with it, you know what I mean, I did all the math, bro. Me looking at me, knowing the landscape, everything you, I'm hearing while I'm here. This thing lined up for Kenya. Like all the extra, I'm at, I'm in year, what, shit,
Starting point is 01:29:35 lab 12 at that point, 12. I'm not, I get y'all, I understand it, man. But doing all the things. I'm not, yeah, that was my, I didn't care. I'm coming off of all this still, still can hoop. But I'm like, ah. Ugh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cause I was playing 12.
Starting point is 01:29:52 That was a fucking thing. I just asked for one thing and that was it. Just, I need to play 25 a night. Yeah, we can't guarantee it. I was like. And Vinny. Then fuck around playing for that motherfucker. I shoulda took my ass, see? See, yeah around playing for that motherfucker. I shoulda took my ass.
Starting point is 01:30:05 See? See, yeah, in that regard, yeah. I shoulda took my ass to Miami and fucking had to go play for him. All right. Vinny down there. That motherfucker missed. I wanna find that footage.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Hey, I wanna find that footage. I know they keeping it like Mark Madsen. Y'all keeping that footage, y'all. I was busting they ass so bad. Steve Blakeney. Steve Blakeney and Steve Madsen. That, you know how that footage, y'all. I was busting they ass so bad. Steve Blake. Steve Blake and Steve Nash. That, you know how you're like, you have three teams? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:29 Now they didn't wanna get off the court. That they over to fight each other. Damn. You know Steve Blake. You were playing with Steve Blake? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on my team with the Lakers. Yeah, let's just say that Steve Nash wasn't ready for it.
Starting point is 01:30:44 For just, just. For Hibachi time as we said. No, no, no, no. No, just what? Him. Oh, Steve Blake, listen, hey. Oh, too white to fight. We seen the video. We seen the video.
Starting point is 01:30:55 Oh no, Steve, listen. Back in Maryland during the pickup game. He's fake a fight. Oh, he ain't a fake. Yeah, he a fight. Yo, that's too tight for me to be, you don't supposed to do that. He ain't taking hits.
Starting point is 01:31:03 You don't supposed to be fighting that. That's that Kobe shit. You know't supposed to do that. I'd take a hit. You don't supposed to be fighting that all. That's that Kobe shit. You know what I mean? Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen, y'all gonna get, y'all both gonna, y'all can fight when I knock one of y'all off. Like y'all can fight over here, y'all. They got to fight to stay on just to get beat by my team. Yeah, what am I?
Starting point is 01:31:17 And them boys is out there, going. He got in with somebody and them? Bite that nigger. Big motherfucker. I ain't no fucker. Bite that what, damn? What? That sounded like a hard on.
Starting point is 01:31:27 Where you coming from today? Are you the boss? Big dog. No, for real. No, I'm watching. We have it on tape. Take this shit off, man. No, I'm saying I'm watching them fight.
Starting point is 01:31:34 I'm watching them fight over here. No, he said, he said. The way he said. Bite him, do something. Get him off of your shit. Get him off of your shit. And two white people with him. Bite him, bite him, nigga.
Starting point is 01:31:44 God damn, bite him. Bite him, god damn! Bite him back, do something! You're losing right now! It's embarrassing! There's no chill girl, this shit gives me the big mothafuck. Big mothafuck grabs Steve in Denver, he didn't know. Steve hooked the shit out of him. Nah, nah, nah! Yo, we gotta get Steve Blake on the count.
Starting point is 01:32:02 We gotta get Steve Blake on the count. That's my dog, Steve. He's making up hard Rs. Who does Rs anymore? You know you gotta be ill. You said it, man. I said nigga, be a nigga. Bite nigga. No, you said bite a nigga.
Starting point is 01:32:12 No, I said bite a nigga. Okay, well then, I think we've referred to- You said the R. I didn't say the R. Now you go- You said the R. You said the R. Rewind it back.
Starting point is 01:32:21 Are you serious? I don't worry, it'll be on Adam's Hill. You really don't believe you said the R? I've never said the R ever, I'm black. Who the fuck says the R being black? This is I never said the R. I'm black He said the art I said nothing he said oh they're hard or like I didn't say the heart Sometimes some of you niggas deserve it. Yeah, you see how it sounds when you use art that don't he's saying it cuz you said it Sometimes this is worthy. Okay, it fits in a lot of situations people just they're offended by it well let's move something I love black people
Starting point is 01:32:57 let's keep it moving so heading into this free agency Julius Randall was expected to be one of the top targets but for now Randall is staying in Minnesota. Sunday Shimes reporter Randall will be opting out of the final year of his deal, assigning a three-year, $100 million extension with the Wolves. The deal includes a player option for the 27-28 season. Randall averaged 19.7 rebounds, five assists in 69 games this season, and a career-high 21.7 points, along with six rebounds and five assists in 15 games in the 2025 playoffs. Randall also shot a career high 50% from the field
Starting point is 01:33:27 in the postseason as the Wolves reached their second straight Western Conference Finals. So the Randall extension comes on the heels of Nasreed agreeing to sign a new five year, $125 million contract to stay in Minnesota after opting out of the final year of his deal. So looking at Nasreed and Julius Randall moves, you think Julius Randall and Nasreed
Starting point is 01:33:44 re-signing with the Wolves, good move for that squad. Yeah. Second year in a row making it to the Western Conference Finals. You're looking at a young Anthony Edwards that's rising star in his league. Yeah, so yeah, I think it's a good move. Depends on what else they do with the roster. But definitely a good move in that regard. Gee! Told you. You don't be know what you be saying sometimes. Yeah, it's a good move.
Starting point is 01:34:10 My bad, I did say R. Say sorry now. Sorry, I'm sorry, man. I ain't sorry, y'all. I ain't... Fuck. Yeah, you did say it. I had to look.
Starting point is 01:34:19 It was a damn ass about to argue with me. You like... Blame me. Blame me. It just Sounds weird enough Yes, as always the views expressed on gills arena of that of the show and not of any of our sponsors Not not any of me either That was a shit. I know I'm rocking Luca, but you know, I mean, hey, I ain't fooling like Back to the conversation Timberwolves
Starting point is 01:34:43 Julius Randall 300 million dollar deal Nas Reed five year 125 Three year 100 mil for Julius Randall fire 125 for Nas read good moves for the wolves to keep both Nas read and do what? five year 125 Yeah, that's all Since I'm on that I'm being friendly sign him a slave deal out and being friendly sign him a slave deal. I might as well just go down the rabbit hole and they got him for what? That was crazy.
Starting point is 01:35:17 Five year. Five year what 25 haven't heard those in a long time. Nasrid Opting to stay in, not test a free agency market. Could have commanded, I think somewhere in that range a little bit higher if he did. Who'd lie? Do they know what the meaning of lie means? Lie means you know you did it and you're not. I didn't know I did it. That's not a lie. Plausible deniability. So I heard it, but oh, I did that.
Starting point is 01:35:43 Yeah, but that's a slave deal. Just a vibe. It's just... Damn. Five years? 125? 25 years? 25 a year.
Starting point is 01:35:54 For some long-term stability, stay in Minnesota. A great state. You start feeling bad for my damn dog. All this money they giving out. God damn. Woo! I'm bad for my damn dog. Honest money they giving out. God damn. Listen to this. Woo. Like Ant-Man shit.
Starting point is 01:36:10 You wanna be with me? Like I don't know what to say. Like. But in his role, so that's the same thing as Louie, all right? Same shit Lou was talking about. Yeah. The exact same thing Lou was talking about.
Starting point is 01:36:22 He's stuck in there, he's in that role. So that's what the, that's. No, not in the role's stuck in there he's in that role so that's what the Jane Daniels get only thing I'm just but I'm just McDaniels McDaniels, yeah, like he says stop pocket watch with him as a starter You can get So Jane and McDaniels Stop, I can watch it. Put him as a starter. Jaden McDaniels, in that range about 25 to 26. He got five years of?
Starting point is 01:36:55 Let me see. You're getting money. That's a hell of a deal. I mean, listen, that was a good ass deal for you. You signed a five-year 136. Oh, 136? Okay, okay. But he signed for more.
Starting point is 01:37:10 He was a starter. Jaden McDaniels did. That's what I said. They get these boys' pennies on. Was he a starter when he signed or was he a sixth man? And then they put him in a starting position. Nas was a starter when he signed it. I mean, Nas was a man when he signed it.
Starting point is 01:37:22 Daniel was in a five-year 136. As a starter, Nas Reid was the sixth man of the year though. Six men started when he signed that. No, so Daniel was in a five year, 136. As a starter. As a starter. As a starter, Nasri was the sixth man still. You know what I'm saying? So. Yeah. But that's, well, let's go ahead.
Starting point is 01:37:33 And then they signed Julius. That's cool. I mean, I mean, it helps them so. Yeah. Yeah, if they trying to, listen, they made the two straight Western Conference finals. They looking at the future. They're looking at the next few years.
Starting point is 01:37:44 They're looking at they right there. They just as young as OKC. So they looking at it in that regard, like we got a chance, but they still got a liability over there and the big fella. So good luck. Dr. Blue, Mr. Gobert.
Starting point is 01:38:01 But I'm just saying like, I just haven't heard no deals like. I dig it, but. What is is coming asking for as a six man? Reports are he's asking for 30 million. You know what someone that really is restricted free. I'm just saying but he's asked okay, so Huh, just daughter I know And when you look at Julius Randall obviously the big cat trade last season Do you think Randall will be in the Wolves' long-term plans or who will essentially be the odd man out amongst that crew?
Starting point is 01:38:29 He'll be the odd man. He signed for three years, right? He's the odd man out. Hm? Julius signed for three years. Three for a hundred, but he's got a player option. Average 19 in the regular season, 21 in the playoffs. Career high.
Starting point is 01:38:41 So, shit. Dependable, gonna be there. Bro, if you're trying to win really keeping there I mean you look replace they got so many they got so much flexibility though you know yeah you do because you can get rid of Julius get some some pieces for him and then you got Nasri that can start that could start with his contract I mean you talking five years so they I won, you're talking five years, so I want you. That's because they made them too, though.
Starting point is 01:39:07 I want you five years. They're not really only 25 years old. That's what I'm saying. So they get some flexibility. I mean, they have wiggle room. So I mean, they're in a good position to stay, you know, competing. Nasri 25, Julien's Randall 30, so it's a little... It keeps them competing, so it's a little. That's what it keeps them
Starting point is 01:39:25 it keeps them competing so it's a good deal for the Mavs all around. Yeah yeah they're gonna be all right. For the Wolves. Because you can play them two at the same time. Yeah you got them for a good idea. Well I think how many years left on Go Bear? Rudy, yeah I was about to say you got Rudy. I was about to say you guys, Rudy is... Go Bear has two more years in a player option in 2027. But the damn... At what? So he's making 35 million next season, 37 million the year after that, and then a player option for 38 million for the 27-28 season.
Starting point is 01:40:03 Yeah, I mean. So their biggest bags is young fellow who's on a two. When is his deal up who a man? Yeah, he signed through the 2829 season. No player option. Oh, no player option. Do you do that? No, but we would we miss all over there. What's going on? What they doing over there?
Starting point is 01:40:34 No, I did. Hard hours and get over here. Boy is what lashes. See, so it wasn't me. Some came out there. No, no, no, no, no,
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Starting point is 01:40:59 no, no, no, no, no, Wait, no. Get the superstar though. That's why you're playing. I never heard a superstar go into just hard five. No player, no team. Right? Hard five? Rudy got a goddamn player option.
Starting point is 01:41:15 Yeah, you ain't heard that in a long time. Go big on him, baby. But looking at Nas read that five for 125, do you think that'll make Nas read consistent trade rate for the foreseeable future? Similar how miles Turner was always mentioned in trades with his pace to do never actually I traded but No, I'll go say mention one thing. You're actually pulling the triggers Cuz what is it happening is when you do deals like that, let's say Just like Because what ends up happening is when you do deals like that, let's say just like the contract is so good for the team that if you put him in a starting lineup and he becomes an all-star all-NBA player, right, you're not going to get what he is back.
Starting point is 01:42:03 Right? Like, let's just say you decided to trade Brunson. You're not gonna get, you're not gonna get what he is back. The contract money prevents that. Right, so if he's playing at this top five, top three point guard level, his money is so low, you're not gonna get the, you're gonna get dollar for dollar value, not player for player value. So, you know, it helps you in real time, but it hurts you when you're gonna get dollar for dollar value, not player for player value.
Starting point is 01:42:25 So, you know, it helps you in real time, but it hurts you when you're trying to trade this player. So if Nasri's become, you know, what they think he's gonna be, well we all feel like, man, 25 the way he's is, he starts, averages 18, 12, 18, nine, whatever that is. Got to have a six-man every year. Yeah, and shit by the time, like if he becomes six man,
Starting point is 01:42:45 if he becomes a starter, you're not gonna get the value back. So he'd just be thrown out there, just protesting. Just to see what's cracking. They'll never let go of him. Shooting 40% from a three or something like that, yeah. Doing this thing. Shout out Nasri, getting the bag.
Starting point is 01:42:59 Shout out Drewless Randall. All right, we gonna stay, it's Western Conference Day here in Gills Arena, presented by Underdog Whoop Whoop. Hey man, did something just happen with us like this? We got a day We did Hmm. We did well. I'm just laying out. No
Starting point is 01:43:14 Oh, we did come on check check. Don't be tricking people like that. You'll stop listening to the chat You got a eight now they need Brooke. We got eight. We got in. We got eight No, not as of now damn and we were talking about that momentary. We have a lot on the agenda here It goes at about it awesome If you like this show you like us go ahead download the underdog app use promo code you'll get a thousand dollars a bonus cash Plus a special pickle The name makes sense then whoever reported says withad McCamp so that means he's wrong. He's wrong. Yeah. You know, Rashad not here today. There's anybody that got it is wrong so don't even worry about it.
Starting point is 01:43:53 Fake news. Let's let's shift over to Utah. A's Bailey one of the biggest stories of the draft after trying to force his way to Brooklyn by not working out for any teams. Jazz swooped in and grabbed him with the fifth pick last Wednesday. And Bailey appeared to be unhappy with his landing spot on draft day. Bailey was not on the plane with fellow first rounder Walt Clayton Jr., but did finally pull up
Starting point is 01:44:15 to Utah this weekend. We have some video to prove it. So let's take a look. Bailey arrived in Salt Lake City on Saturday, hopped off the PJ wearing a jazz shirt, was immediately greeted by head coach Will Hardy, looked to be in very good spirits, shared help with some jazz staff,
Starting point is 01:44:33 including Carlos Boozer who was there. Wait, can you go back just, I'm sorry. Carlos Boozer. Just go back to the frame of them all standing there. No, go back. When they're all all standing there. No, go back. No, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, right. Right there. Back, back, back, back.
Starting point is 01:44:51 Damn, he tall. How tall is Boozer? Boozer, 6'8", 6'9"? 6'9", 6'9". Nah, he booze like 6'7". He's listed at 6'9", so with his shoes on. And... And then he said, Bailey's what?
Starting point is 01:45:12 6'7 and a half without shoes is what he's listed. Without shoes, so he's... This is what, see Dave, oh man. That's what I hate about reports. It's the same. Like, so if he was reported at 610, if he was reported at 610 with his shoes on, depending on what kind of shoes he wears, he's 610. Normal size, one and a half, twos, he's 6'9". Okay, that's what I was wondering, like,
Starting point is 01:45:39 when it went by real fast, I was like, wait. Okay. But okay, so he probably wore what? What was he wearing? Like probably some some KDs or some products on Lebrons? They had him, this is a 16? Mm-hmm. He look like shit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wears some Air Force 1's, he's 16. Okay. All right, that makes sense. Okay. You can go ahead and press play for me if you don't mind. Almost immediately after landing, you see his luggage right there. Bailey got to work at the Jazz practice facility. Let's take a look. Oh, there it is.
Starting point is 01:46:16 Nice fade away. Rocking the Jazz gear, smiling. I think a much different situation than what we saw on draft night, obviously. You guys said he tried to force his way to Brooklyn, did not end up working out. The Wizards would have got him at six, potentially traded him to the Nets,
Starting point is 01:46:31 was the talk of that deal. Danny Ange called wind of it. No, that was with Charlotte. With Charlotte. Oh, was that with the move? No, I thought the Wizards would have traded him. Nah, he threatened to draft. It was that, not the connect.
Starting point is 01:46:44 What is the... To foil those plots. Either way. Go on. What was the question? Where do you want to end up, Gil? Oh, you wanted him on the Wizards? Long time Wizards fan. Former player, Gilbert Ruinis.
Starting point is 01:47:04 So, Gil, let me get there. As a Wizards fan, former player Gilbert Ruinis. So let me get there. As a Wizards fan you're being very combative. I don't really like this version of you. All right, yeah. Very different you. Talk to city girl, very different. So during his introductory press conference Sunday with the other jazz rookies,
Starting point is 01:47:18 Bailey handled the media like a seasoned pro. Was there any point that you considered not coming to Utah? No, not at all. I mean, just blessed to be in this position I am. Not a lot of people can sit in these chairs and have great teammates as I got on, they came on with me, so I'm just blessed to be here. Do you think you can make an immediate impact
Starting point is 01:47:41 despite your age and just one year of college experience? Absolutely. What makes you so mature to be able to do that? In the gym, late nights, all the hard work I put in, I believe in it. Did you come right to the gym off the plane? Yeah, for sure I did. I was excited to see what the practice facility was like. It's a great scenery.
Starting point is 01:48:01 As soon as I got off the plane, I didn't think the mountains was real. I mean, it was so brutal. It was just seeing that scenery, just being in that position, just getting off the plane, just meeting the coaches, which is all great. The most brutal- Is he from-
Starting point is 01:48:14 Is he from the most gross? No. Chattanooga, Tennessee. Oh, so yeah. Okay. Okay. Most brutal- Okay, I'm just saying, it makes sense. That's how they, they can't say to be the most brutal for listening
Starting point is 01:48:26 You're gonna be doing us gorilla So I'll explain it to my daughter the other day right so I'm in my wife be joking around we miss like Saying certain words on like this So I was playing it to it like there was people that I grew up around that can't pronounce the ST Mm-hmm like we all be messing around down the street. Mm-hmm. Scrawberry, Scrape. Yeah. Scrawberry. Uh-huh. Like, she was like, what are y'all, like, why do you say?
Starting point is 01:48:52 I'm like, there's certain people that can't pronounce. She was looking at me like, like, really? Mm-hmm. Like, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brutiful. Brutal. It's brutal. Brutal. Scrawberry. That's, That's impressive. Shout out to Ace Bailey. But there's a lot of discourse around Ace Bailey,
Starting point is 01:49:08 the whole situation not working out for any team. I think being the only US-based player to not do any individual work or private work out. Do people make too much of a big deal out of Ace Bailey's initial reaction to getting drafted by the Jazz? It's always one. They try to make out like a bad person, a bad guy. Not the first player to try to leverage his power to get to the destination he wanted to go to.
Starting point is 01:49:30 Did not work out. I think he's handling it well though, not feeding into it, saying the right things, trying to say the right things, you know. Yeah, just let his game speak for itself. What they're expecting to say. Like, nah like now fuck that I didn't want to be here You know like like really like let's like you really expect the junk this kid to go up here and be like That's you know what man this birth fucking place impossible guy. Hey, man, who want to be around all this shit? Like no, he's not gonna go up there and do that like horrible PR. Yes, horrible horrible reporter There's time and places where you like,
Starting point is 01:50:11 and this is why, this is why I respect PR teams that are understanding of situations and you know, the wars, I mean, the wizards, we had great, wars got great too, but here, if I'm the PR team and we're coming in here There's no way that woman gets that question off The fuck are you trying to do here? What is your what is your point of asking him this even what do you think he's gonna say if he says what he really feels Inside does that look great for this organization, but the reporter has to ask that question. No you don't. For what? This is supposed to be in like do you really
Starting point is 01:50:51 want this player? This is the jazz this is not like this is this isn't ESPN? Yeah this is the jazz organization this is who I invited. You work for like you work here what if he actually says no I don't want to be here. What do you think the rest of the world is, you think that helps us? These young players don't want to be here. But I'm sure he was prepped, obviously, for that question. She needs to be prepped. But what if not?
Starting point is 01:51:15 You are part of this organization. I hear you. They're probably gonna ask you, we saw the draft. The way these YNs are these days, right? Yeah. They don't, certain time, certain shit don't register. He could have asked that shit exactly how he was really
Starting point is 01:51:32 feeling in that moment. Then to Gil's point, now what? Right, now we all look super here. Yeah, now it's like, I didn't want to fucking be here, man. Like, I really did not want to be here. Right, just imagine if that's his answer. Guys, it's the journalist's job to ask a question. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:51:49 No, it's not. No, it ain't. No, no. You just got a player that was supposed to be through. So let me ask you this, Steve. There are all the things that she could have fucking asked him. Got it? Before you get to that.
Starting point is 01:52:06 Like, all the reports and all that shit that's going on, okay cool, he's here. Of all the things that you could have asked him. He says some shit about the mountains. You wanna ask him, so you chose, like that's why you want some bull. Like she was expecting him to give that answer. Your perspective as a player that like,
Starting point is 01:52:24 you don't want people trying to get you in trouble, which is what- You're not getting the husband- Hold on, but just let me finish. Just like I'm listening to you all the time. So the only thing is, the main story that's been talked about with Ace Bailey leading into the draft is this,
Starting point is 01:52:39 and this is what people want to know about, and it's a journalist question to ask. But I show up- I don't think it's fair for you to guys to say, you can't come in here and ask that question. You can't contribute. You all made it. First of all, listen.
Starting point is 01:52:50 Made it. The outside world talking is very different from Utah press. Your job is to make it look great here. Hey, you know, you look happy coming off the plane. Are you happy to be here? What's the name? Boom, we got this, this. Have you been looking for a place? Did you just get here?
Starting point is 01:53:12 Like, you supposed to make it seem like he wants to be here. You don't want to entice the, now we got to look at the body language and be like, yeah, he really don't want to be there. Like, it doesn't make you look good. Whatever he says is what he says. Yeah. Right, if he says, I don't want to be like it doesn't make you look good. Whatever he says is what he says Yeah, right if he says I don't want to be here I want to be traded you look like a goofball asking him that in real time
Starting point is 01:53:32 The team is gonna be like why did you ask him that? Why are you making us look stupid because if he did say that now as the president? I'm looking at her like what the fuck is what the fuck are you doing? You just like he, everybody else looks great in their interview. You made ours a negative thing. But we understand, like, everything that's been leading up to it, right?
Starting point is 01:53:53 He drops, negative. Not this, negative. Can't answer this, negative. So, yeah, that's like, so that's my point with this particular question, right? The question is not, like, it's, it was a leading question. Like, so, and if he really answered that shit,
Starting point is 01:54:12 like, he could have answered this in true feelings, right? That could have been his real answer, like, no, I never consider not coming, all that. But on the flip side of that, it could have been like, nah, I really didn't want to be here. They drafted me, I'm obligated to show up to the to the Marshawn Linshield I'm just here so I don't get fined so it could have easily been anything of that
Starting point is 01:54:34 nature so that's the thing that people use to ask the Marshawn question like you know what it is so you just picking at it at this point. You picking at it. As the home team. Like the road people expected. Like okay. Protected. Protected from himself at this point. My, my, with my um, with my, with the gun locker room situation, right? If you go back, did Wilbarn ask these questions? Will Barn asked these questions. Kornheiser, no, none of the Washington people who has to deal with us every day is the ones trying to sit up there and trick the person up. You lose the locker room, right?
Starting point is 01:55:15 Ain't nobody gonna talk to you. Nobody gonna talk to you. Like, he's gonna be looking at you at some point like, yeah, I'm good. You have the Westbrook to the home media stance, right? As the home media, you're supposed to be looking and making the organization and those players feel good because nobody else does.
Starting point is 01:55:36 It's our job as outside media to sit there and poke. That's why I said we're gonna look at the video and try to analyze his body language, like oh, he's sitting there louching So he don't really like that's our job as outside to infiltrate that locker room Their job is to protect the locker room in a sense On draft day, especially first day. It's the first day First day of Utah season like imagine This was it now he was been like man. I ain't never seen this fucking mean the white people before in my life. Just go
Starting point is 01:56:11 Anything could come out there so just like What cuz the thing the leg was a prep to Y in he was a prepared? I'm saying me I'm looking at like I'm looking at it from the outside like like I'm looking at it like Like they might I don't have no interest in this and I'm sitting here like, man that's a horrible ass question to ask him first on, this is supposed to be a happy day, right? This is supposed to be like a positive.
Starting point is 01:56:38 Well, you're supposed to be happy day, drafted on Wednesday, did not arrive in Utah until Saturday, so I'm just saying that's not a typical well We don't know this is not a lot of speculation. It's not a brain with his family Who don't it's something else could have been going on what now? What if somebody now you see how stupid isn't what took your ass so long? No, you want to be here. I would think about how the questions is did you not want to be here? You took so long. Why didn't you come back with your teammate? Like you see how that does not actually build nothing good for them.
Starting point is 01:57:10 Like poor Zingas when he got booed and everybody killed him on press coverage, what was his interview? What was the first question I asked him? Did they ask him something negative towards that? That's a great question. Poor Zingas in New York. Cause I can tell you what it led to no matter what. You got booed draft date.
Starting point is 01:57:26 When he got booed draft date, whatever happened from the draft date to the press conference, mentally already had him like, I'm out of here when my time is up. And he left. He got tricked. Yeah, but he wanted out. But I'm just, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:57:41 Just, that's the first date, man. You're supposed to be. But Ace Bailey is now on record saying he wants to be in Utah I think that could have been the mountains were brutal for yes very a lot of mountains the air a little musty take some time to adjust to sit on the back like man whoever that was man can you get rid of her? I'm not... Yo, you're warm. They gonna revoke your credentials. You lucky... What?
Starting point is 01:58:11 Lucky it's the off season. Yeah. Summertime. You're lucky it ain't a star. So, looking at Bailey, obviously it reports that his team told the Jazz not to draft him. They opted to draft him anyway, but it seems like he's in a pretty good situation with the Utah squad. How will Bailey fit with this turn, J. Bailey fit with this even more with the fucking question?
Starting point is 01:58:29 Even more with the question my team told you not to draft me. You did it anyway So so so you did it anyway, okay So if you're asking me a question back, back to the back to that. Yes. That tells me, yes. This is the NBA draft. Teams are free to draft whatever player they want. But you're asking me a question that has to do with what I wanted. So you're putting me on the spot. So now I have to say, oh, no, I really wanted to be here. Even though, you know, I'm lying because you know, I didn't want to be here.
Starting point is 01:59:03 Yeah. So are you showing me? Are you trying to show me up that's the stands here Sweden if the team came out his team said hey yo leave us alone we don't want to be drafted you do it anyway I'm not happy come on come on let's just be honest so you you put them on a spot for him to like what say yeah, yeah, yeah You think I changed my mind in 40 is motherfucking you see how long it took me to get it And only way you ask it cuz y'all keep reporting that I ain't showed up. Yeah I'm really gonna show up to some fuck. I had to leave Brooklyn and shit. I was still trying to figure out where to go. I was about to get passed. I thought this was 2K. I thought I could put myself back on the market.
Starting point is 01:59:51 I did. Shit, y'all didn't see what I tried. I took a pay cut to go where I wanted to go. I know what the number three money looked like, and I was still willing to turn that down, turn fourth down, turn y'all fucking asses down, and go somewhere else. I was sacrificing money and status
Starting point is 02:00:11 to be where I wanted to be. In real life. Question. You gonna sign me? I might as well just went to fucking Philly. He went to college, right? Yeah. Went to Rutgers.
Starting point is 02:00:20 He was at the way to New Jersey. They was getting NIL money and shit right there. So he's been knowing that this was gonna be a thing, I'm all off the tangent here. So they knew this was gonna be a thing, him getting drafted at some point, within the near future from when he went to Rutgers. From someone who went to college with a speech impediment.
Starting point is 02:00:40 Right? Fucked study, had a problem talking to the media. Had a problem answering questions. What did they do? They fucking helped me out. Put me in the class, asked me some questions, get me comfortable talking to the media, certain words and shit like that. So his team didn't think that this would be a thing for him to go on and fuck and say, beautiful. I understand where he's from, that's how he talks, where he grew up, but. Oh, they can't. I can refer that to beautiful. I understand where he from, that's how he talks about where he grew up. But. Oh, they're beautiful.
Starting point is 02:01:05 They can't. I can refer that to beautiful. He knows how to say beautiful. Trust me. Because hey, Goldberg knows how to say beautiful. The words are and all that they ask. She sat down, interview. She knows how to say those things. He know, but this is the right. So now he's going to, now this is the thing now. Gu's gonna do not this is a thing now
Starting point is 02:01:25 guarantee is gonna be a fucking meme like this is this day and age right as I prepare the young man for the moment that's all I'm asking yeah that's all prepare to get asked certain questions that's all I'm sorry I mean I mean something for you thinking about saying the word beautiful I have to be a draft to a teen you want to start being drafted to a team, you don't want to be part of it. That nigga started looking at you like, think about it, you don't want to be there, right? Talking about the mountains.
Starting point is 02:01:52 These mountains are beautiful. What else can you say? When I got off, them trees were nice. Nice and green. You bring it all the way down. You're 100% correct. Absolutely. He had to pull beautiful out of the guy. When you got off the plane, you're like,
Starting point is 02:02:16 man, these mountains is beautiful here. But yes, but let's prepare the band to have a mic In his face constantly. That's all that's all I'm asking for his team. It is you got a nice Team around you. They doing what job they're doing with you. Let's just add some some of this into the phrase, right? And when y'all sign the shoe deal, let's go get him a bat Now I want to listen to everybody else's response through history to see if anybody... Beautiful? No no to describe when he got off when he first got there the first thing they looked at was landscaping instead of... Well, it's very picturesque, serene, outbound, off-e.
Starting point is 02:03:08 When you ain't seen it, when you ain't never seen it. What else is there in Salt Lake City to see? You talk about the weather, like Miami and shit. A lot of mountains. Nice out here. LA, yeah. How much you making? What, let me see.
Starting point is 02:03:24 Nah, see, you breaking it down so much. Stop, stop. What I'm saying is, just think about it. You don't want to go here. So you basically saying you're willing to sacrifice third pick money, fourth pick money,
Starting point is 02:03:40 fifth pick money to possibly be sixth or eighth. Right? So you're thinking about 9.1 this year. fifth pick money to possibly be sixth or eighth, right? So he's making about 9.1 this year. So you're sacrificing how much money? So third pick is making 11.1, so he would, about two million dollars. So two, four, six, eight, so about eight million dollars,
Starting point is 02:03:56 10 million dollars over that contract, right? About, yeah, about nine, nine, yeah, nine. So I'm willing to take nine million dollars less. Tennessee, though, is totally different from Utah. He ain't never seen it. So what I'm saying, if I'm gonna get drafted to Utah, like I'd rather just take my money and just put me in Philly.
Starting point is 02:04:15 Nah, he'll nah. Just put me in Philly, like, I mean, cause I didn't wanna go here. I would've. We got five shoes, small. What I'm saying is, but if I'm gonna go to a place that I didn't want to go I don't want to go to none of you places if I don't want to go to none of y'all
Starting point is 02:04:28 I rather go to I rather take much. I just rather take my nine million dollars just state your ass in Newark something goddamn Rockers shit you want to go none of them? Just got away one more year just stay in Rutgers another year. There you shit. It's just got away in New Jersey. Mm-hmm Okay, looking at this jazz roster, how would Ace Bailey fit with this current squad? You want my honest answer? I would like... I have no earthly idea
Starting point is 02:04:53 because I've never seen him play, so. Okay, well that would... He's like, uh... He's like, Paul... I appreciate your honesty. I like your kind of answer. Yeah, I like your kind of answer. You want my honest answer?
Starting point is 02:05:03 You want me to call you? I just... You want me to call you like the media do? It's the real me. You want me to say some bullshit? Yeah, I like your hands. Yeah, I like that. You want my hands? You want me to do like the media do? The real media? You want me to say some bullshit? Oh yeah, the kid is very athletic. He has a high motor. He can get it going. 3ND guy, he's in, so whatever,
Starting point is 02:05:15 you want me to say some bullshit. I can easily do that. That's what them motherfuckers do. They ain't never seen the niggas play. They just write up some shit that make it sound good. But if they drafted him fifth and he was supposed to go highest third, I can only assume that he can fucking play basketball.
Starting point is 02:05:28 And he's real good, he's athletic, he does things that certain people can't do. Yeah, so. PG said previously he was the second best pick or option besides Cooper Flagg. Cool, so if that's the, but I. He has more than Cooper Flagg. Yeah, he has probably the highest ceiling.
Starting point is 02:05:44 Yeah. Right, he probably has the highest ceiling. Yeah. Right, he probably has the highest ceiling because of his intangibles, right? You know, 16 with his shoes on, so you're talking about somebody who can literally play one, two, three, and a small four. Yeah, can handle.
Starting point is 02:05:57 Can handle, can shoot, can start the offense, you can put him at the point. Like he's, that's his flexibility in his game. So he has the highest ceiling. Worst case scenario, I don't even wanna throw a name out there. Cause, yeah. But he's doing good.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Like, I mean, like, he can pull out an all-star just from just raw talent. Like they win, he's averaging about 21, 20, you know. So whether or not Cooper Flagg hit me in number one pick? If you're Dallas, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Harper is the, Harper is that guaranteed, too.
Starting point is 02:06:34 Like he's my safe pick because he's 6'6", can shoot, can play, like, you know what I mean? Like if I'm looking for something steady that I'm, like I know, you know, this is gonna be his yeah, he probably might not go this high You know what I mean? Like, you know, he probably might not be a 30-point score He could be like but he's gonna be that solid good player then that's that's what you want to go with if you don't want to Think that probably should watch more college basketball It's hard. It's hard to keep track of everybody. The reason is everybody leaving transport portal
Starting point is 02:07:04 Don't know it's hard because it's such a different game. It is. It's such a different game that's something that looks great in college, right? Your great in college atmosphere, like you come into the NBA where who you are, that's everybody on the court. So all I can do is really look at the tangibles and say are. One-on-one there's own in a month. So it's hard to tell what he can really do.
Starting point is 02:07:32 You know, I so is crowded. You know what I mean? So you got to basically do guesswork. I got you. So if you could score it with all that if you can score with all that then you should be able to just one-on-one should be easy. Of course, there's a lot of the shit these days the work the The drafts and all that shit is done before these guys reach the college anyway Yeah, they projected to be this and be that anyway before they pick whatever school they're going to so
Starting point is 02:08:00 Yeah, I like watching the tournament if somebody's around they, they tell me, you need to watch this kid play. I'll watch him. Yeah, but if, like the kid from Baylor that Philly took, like I didn't like watch his shit. I'm like, damn, he bouncy as shit. Oh, I remember him back then. Yeah, I remember that. Oh my God, who is this?
Starting point is 02:08:19 And looking like, see, when they was playing. I'm saying, dude, I'm watching the draft. When they asked me about him, I'm like. Bahamas, remember he was trying to make the Olympics and he was cooking. He was, he came because he played with Kyan. Yeah, you know, when they came here to play, like, oh, all right.
Starting point is 02:08:34 Man. Okay. Let's speak of the Bahamas, talk about another player from the Bahamas. Blazers have been active this off season, acquiring Drew Holliday from the Celtics for Ann Simons, trading 11th pick Cedric Howard to the Grizzlies for 16th pick Yang Hanson, a 20-28 first rounder and two second rounders. Hanson was graded as the second round talent but moved up to the first round with Sun calling him Chinese yokich. That's
Starting point is 02:08:59 what they're saying, not me. So in the wake of that draft day trade and a roster full of centers, the Blazers have decided to buy out DeAndre Aiden with Aiden having no trade market according to reports. Aiden was due nearly 36 million on an expiring $133 million contract he signed in 2022 with the Suns He played only 40 games reported in the last season second few of his career and appeared in 95 out of a possible 164 games over the past two seasons. So according to ESPN's Bobby Marks, Aiden is now free to sign with any team including those in both salary cap aprons despite earning greater than $14.1 million
Starting point is 02:09:33 as a waiver restriction that would normally prevent a player with Aiden's contract from signing with the team in the second apron applies only during the regular season. So when you look at this situation, first and foremost, what do y'all think about the Blazers deciding to buy out Deandre Hayden? It's funny cuz as a player average 14 and 10 as a player you're trying to buck me out and I can I don't got to do none for it. All right, cool. I go stop me but I can't to leave to leave. I will give it all to me.
Starting point is 02:10:11 I'm gonna give it all to me. All right, she's even some of it. All right, I gotta go to work. All right. I can start training. I can start training right now. I got 14 to 10 last season, shot 50 something. And I don't like that number. Whatever the buyer number, I don't like that number.
Starting point is 02:10:38 I don't like that number. I don't like that number. Now we're getting close to the numbers that number neither. Yeah, I don't like that number neither. Now we're getting closer to the numbers that I like. Right? You know, I just sit the fuck at home. Somebody'll call. Oh, somebody'll call. Somebody'll call.
Starting point is 02:10:58 Cause now he's worth what? 36? What he's supposed to get? 36. Now imagine, and this is what I'm talking about. Imagine now adding someone Who contract value is 36 and he now will take anything because he already gets whatever he already gets his main contract So it's like hey, I got 1.5. We I got to him. She I let's go
Starting point is 02:11:21 Ain't gonna be starter. Yeah, but obviously probably okay Let's go cuz now in the be starter. Yeah. But obviously probably won't be. Okay, let's go. Because now. I'm in the best position to get another deal after this one. Yes, now you're making me a starter for two million dollars. Now I can jump my contract back up while already having.
Starting point is 02:11:35 Go out and play well, and sign a one year deal for that and come out there motherfucking average. Average, he has to double double with the, so if he's motivated. Lakers don't sign bruh. What? Bruh. Oh my God. Bruh. to double double with the mint so if he's motivated Lakers don't sign bro what? bro oh my god bro it'd be the first time in my life or since two thousand since 96 that I will just say nah I'm good like I'm if we don't
Starting point is 02:12:00 sign I'm already pissed off now because we do got Lucas, so nevermind, nevermind. Don't worry about it. But if we don't sign him to the 1.2. Huh? Is it up to him, man? Y'all trying to sign Book Lopez. Nah, hell no, not before eight. That is the discourse, apparently. We can get him both.
Starting point is 02:12:19 We can get him both, but not before eight. No, dawg. Hey, man. I'm going to beat him. Do I miss it? Am I, like, I get it. He's expanded. Hey, man. Hey, I'm going to beat him. Do I miss it? Am I like, I get it. He's expanded his changes game. And who?
Starting point is 02:12:31 Brooke Lopez. I understand. Like came out, I evolved his game to what the NBA is today. I get it. That's it. Just hit a three and a half a game, are we good? That's it. Hit a three and a half a game, are we good? That's shit. And he's shooting that motherfucker in his bad shots at times. When he do shoot that motherfucker. I'm like, God damn, Brooke, that's what you feel?
Starting point is 02:12:56 I be watching that shit, Yon is firing that motherfucker over there. He be 32 feet fired that motherfucker. I'm like, yeah. Hey man. Yes, man. Hey man and Porzingiz both be out there firing that motherfucker, but he like, yeah. Hey man. Damn Leonard Threes. Yes, yes man. Oh damn. Hey man, Porzingis, both be out there firing it motherfucker, but he worse than Porzingis at times. But I'm just trying to figure out what's the lore. Like how many, is he still a lead shot blocker? Does he still?
Starting point is 02:13:15 Yeah, no, he still play a little defense. Like he still plays, he still play defense. So is he a starting fighter? Block side. So would you go get him and be out, if. Nah, he can't. So if he's on, so if it's either or can't move his feet for the late either or aiding or Lopez with my waiting okay
Starting point is 02:13:31 I'm waiting for all right okay I'm just watching play evolve and it's just I get it he's like what our thing he's he's a downgrade Zubak no if you just if you decided to give him the ball down there, he can score He can't just don't go down there. No more It was cold back in the Junkie, I was deaf. I don't think I'm being and why it is and everybody was guarding them No get a bucket on the bike every time we post them. I'm like The little turnaround jump the little step turn around he's just yeah,, I'm like, why you don't just do that the whole time? The little turnaround jump, the little step, the turnaround.
Starting point is 02:14:06 But he's just, because he's right there. Yeah, he can still do that. Yeah. Average 13 and 5 last season. 13 and 5, what? How many blocks? Two blocks per game. See, that's good.
Starting point is 02:14:15 See, that's good. But the five rebounds is, we need to do a little more. Because what he does is, play free throw line, free throw line. Yeah, he's hanging out at the three. Shit. What he do good is old school, where box your man out. So he does the Stephen Adams.
Starting point is 02:14:29 Yeah. I'm gonna make sure my man don't get it. I got two of y'all. Yeah, I'm gonna take two of them. Somebody else get this rebound, he's that. But serviceable, yes. I'm not, people don't give me, serviceable big in this,
Starting point is 02:14:43 serviceable big in this NBA, yes. As a starter and the things that he does, I'm like, I don't, he's, I'm going to get other bigs right now before I'm getting Brooke. And if Brooke is there, I'm like, I can use Brooke. Yeah, he's, It's my point.
Starting point is 02:14:59 He's, he's series starter, depending on who we're playing in the series. Okay. If he's playing big, you're playing Jokic. Yeah, we're playing Jokic. We're playing Zubac. Zubac, you need a big, you go out. Okay.
Starting point is 02:15:13 I'm with it. I'm with it. You gotta get Aiden though. No, we got to get Aiden. Oh my God. Oh my God. He had a chance, man. Because he's athletic.
Starting point is 02:15:21 Yeah. He can score. Score. Right? He can defend a little bit. We just need a little bit. I think anything would be an upgrade. For motivation, man. I think the right conversations.
Starting point is 02:15:32 Don't say that about him. I like Jackson Hayes, but it'd be an upgrade from Jackson. But it's just, you are, I don't know him. I can't speak for him. I just like, what motivates him? Like, what is it gonna take? Is it gonna take some honest conversations? Is it gonna take this situation, getting bought out,
Starting point is 02:15:50 somebody don't want you? Like, I don't know what is. But where it start from? Look, Chris Wall? Ain't no Chris Wall getting into it? No, I don't know. The room has just been out there, he just don't. He wanted to be the...
Starting point is 02:16:04 Oh, he wanted to be a main focal point in the offense? Yeah. Right, man, that's just being young. You're the number one pick. Yeah. I get it, bro. You know what I mean? Give me the ball.
Starting point is 02:16:13 I get it, but what is my skill set, right? Yeah, I wanted that motherfucker, but what is my skill set? Like, what am I good at? What do I do? What do I thrive at, right? That's what you gotta realize, as a number one pick young, trying to find your way. What am I good at?
Starting point is 02:16:26 What do I thrive at? What do I have an advantage at? How can I make myself look as best possible? That's like me coming in my rookie album. Okay, I'm gonna come out this bitch, I'm gonna shoot a hundred threes in my rookie album. Like no, fucking athlete. Run and dump, jump.
Starting point is 02:16:42 Start shooting them over time. Jump, try to move, yeah, of course, but block shots, be dominant in that role, right? Young Greg Oden, be dominant in that role. Like, okay, I'm limited in certain things, but what do I do to make money? Like, where's my motor? Why did I get drafted?
Starting point is 02:16:57 Why do I get drafted number one, right? He was there with, when they went to the championship, right? And he got traded once Cary came. That was the bad trade for them. When they traded him for no, yeah. That was the bad trade. And you playing for a coach who ain't got traded him for Nerkut, you thought you needed something.
Starting point is 02:17:20 That was off emotion. Yeah, and then you got a coach over there that ain't got the tolerance for the bullshit. For the young bullshit, like he just don't. Aiden was a restricted free agent back when he had an offer with the Pacers. Signed the offer sheet. He matched it.
Starting point is 02:17:35 Sons matched it. Within 24 hours. Made him come back. We know you don't want to be, so that's the thing, dog. With this league. But you say he averaged what last year? 14 and 10.
Starting point is 02:17:49 Oh I thought you said five. No 14 and 10. Brooke Lowe has 13 and five. But half of his shots per game were three. I'm gonna tell you the thing about this NBA, right? You, like Phoenix, y'all knew that this man didn't want to be there. You knew this already.
Starting point is 02:18:03 It's been, I signed somewhere else, cause I don't want to be here. And y'all match it, like that's like that. Yeah. Like somebody got like, there should be some type of stipulation rules behind some shit like that, man. Like you, like, I understand you like I Understand you on that but
Starting point is 02:18:26 Then if I decide not to show up, I'm the bad guy Come on man. Hey man, I'm just beyond That wizard shit you got over It's that wizard shit you got on, bro. Fucking your whole head up. He's 26 years old. He's in the same draft as Luca. I just thought about it. He's in the same draft as Luca.
Starting point is 02:18:53 And he was the number one pick. He was the number one pick. Luca and Bit, this will be moving forward in the future. Because you're not talking about a guy who actually fell off. Like, he's since day one has averaged a double double every year. So if he's on an open market, you what is this value? What was he trying to make him bad? No, what I'm saying is that at 26, you're 26 years old,
Starting point is 02:19:25 you average a double double every year. What is his actual value in this NBA? Don't know. Is it 36 million? He signed it. No, what I'm saying is, Indiana wanted him for a reason. He signed that number that Phoenix matched for a reason. He was the only place that they wanted him.
Starting point is 02:19:40 He was sought out for a reason. Things in Portland hasn't worked out. No, what I'm saying is, you just let him go, he averaged 14 and 10. You don't like him at average at 14. What is that value? That's still 30 million a year. Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 02:19:56 So, if you were another team, if he asked for 20 million for one year, are you taking it? Yes. Yes. Discount. Right now, yes. He's asking for double-double. That's what I'm saying. And look at the bigs that's out there, though.
Starting point is 02:20:10 But number one, listen, number one pick for a reason. You've been consistent. It just looks different. Two seasons removed from averaging 18 to 10 with that Suns in 22, 23. What I'm saying is, if he, if, like people are gonna think they can get him for a discount value, right?
Starting point is 02:20:26 But his market value steel is it like these are the trade value It does that was a lie. I hate you. I mean, you don't have it. It's just y'all can't get back which are what yeah Yes, that's all that is Y'all y'all trying to finesse somebody and then motherfuckers like now Y'all trying to finesse somebody and them motherfuckers like nah. Portland trying to finesse people for it. They trying to over-vite and other teams ain't biting on it probably. Like I'm trying to figure out if I'm a general manager looking at these numbers shooting 56% from the field. He's shooting damn near for his career 60% from the field.
Starting point is 02:21:05 the field. It what stop how much money does Houston have? Like I'm just trying to figure like oh he can get whatever I mean at the end of the day if he's a free agent he's a free agent so he's a free agent now he has to be the most important free agent in the moment of time. If you're just going off of period numbers, average in a double-double your whole career shooting 60% from your career from the field and you're 26 years old. Why are you talking like this? The Lakers are trying to get him right now.
Starting point is 02:21:37 I would say he doesn't have... I'm just kidding. I ain't trying to fuck with his brand. Give that man his money. He going to get it. He going to get it. If he doesn't get 10 right now... He can get 20. What's stopping him? I'm just kidding, I ain't trying to fuck with this bread. Like, get that man his money. Now he gonna get it.
Starting point is 02:21:45 He gonna get it. If he can get 10 right now. He can get 20, like what stops? 20 and what, yeah. Men lie, women lie. 14 and 10 don't. Clip. Yes.
Starting point is 02:22:02 I'm just thinking about so many teams that like whatever free agent you was looking at is like he just becomes the number one free agent in the open market because he changes your franchise because of the age because he already has money. So basically whoever he wanna says, yeah, I'm willing to come there to say **** you to Portland. He does that too. Indiana, if you got money. I mean there's just so many. New York.
Starting point is 02:22:29 I like that. I mean New York, that's an upgrade offensively for you at the five. Cause he does more than Mitch Robinson. Yes. Shit, don't bossing me to big. And I believe. I'm not bossing, trying to get rid of money. Hayden and Luca, they're the same age. They just got rid of me. shit don't boss and eat a bit I believe
Starting point is 02:22:45 Aiden and Luca, they're the same age. Luca and Aiden, see that's why I fell for it. See I fell for it because yeah it's good shit. Bill Duffy. Luca and what? Luca and Aiden got the same age. Y'all know how this game goes. Absolutely. We will see what happens. I love Luca. Friends are friends are friends. Luca's friends is baby. De'Andre, you start off lost there.
Starting point is 02:23:08 I love my friends be friends and then bringing on they friends. But let's move on to mostly fans. He can start here. What are you talking about? He can start here. The nigga can start wherever he goes. Presented by our friends at Underdog. New York, he's a star.
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Starting point is 02:23:35 Where's this? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Y'all know, be some, is this some Denny Ains? Is this some Denny Ains, Boston type shit? That's what I'm saying, he going to Boston, man. Who is over there? Joe Cronin.
Starting point is 02:23:49 Where's his ties come from? Where's his lineage? Let me see. Oh, to the Lakers. Originally from Caucasus. Let me see. Where's his lineage? Because he did it for somebody.
Starting point is 02:24:01 I think he has been with the Blazers. It's all life. He knows somebody that knows somebody. No, he started with the Blazers in 06 and worked his way up the ladder. He was a system customer. He got friends. Okay, all right. Has this ever happened before? 26 healthy and get bought out in the...
Starting point is 02:24:28 They normally blackball them back then. Yeah, I've never seen this before. That's why I'm so shocked. Okay, all right. So, listen, if he... It's 23 of me. I mean, listen, if he comes to the Lakers, man... We have one question.
Starting point is 02:24:43 He's the youngest? Yeah, I knew that was... I ain't tripping. We have one question. He's the youngest? Yeah, I knew that was, I ain't tripping. We got an email question from underdog user, BornToCash, the question is, who are you taking as a third option, Derrick White or Austin Reaves? Who are you taking as a third option,
Starting point is 02:24:56 Derrick White or Austin Reaves? See, let me take my, gotta take off my gentleman hat, cause the first question I want to ask,? Shit. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR.
Starting point is 02:25:09 I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR.
Starting point is 02:25:17 I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR. I'm gonna take AR.
Starting point is 02:25:29 Papadi Limon as he's known. AR 15. I like AR game. Yeah. Game is nice. Which is also intriguing. Derrick White is going to make $28 million this year. Like we mentioned Austin Reed is closer to 14, so basically half the price.
Starting point is 02:25:40 It depends on what, you know, we need AR to do. But just wait for it to happen. Which is also intriguing. Derek White is going to make $28 million this year. We mentioned Austin Reeves closer to 14, so basically half the price. It depends on what, you know, we need AR to be AR. Last but not least, let's move to this side of the couch. Kenyon, who are you taking as your third option? Derek White or Austin Reeves? Derek White.
Starting point is 02:26:02 Why are you picking Derek White? Because I want to. That is why we generally do things in life. You just like him better as a third up. You've seen that? But technically that's the answer you're supposed to give to him. Why you question him?
Starting point is 02:26:15 Why you question what? You question them two motherfuckers over there. Thank you, thank you. I said, what's the answer? I see what y'all are on today. The director positive is on the way. They didn't have the answer why they picked AR. Because he's the best third option in the league.
Starting point is 02:26:34 It was a simple answer. It was a simple answer. People keep mad like, nigga, why you picked this nigga there, Gwai? West King. He scared me. No, angry. Scared. No, just. So we asked the chat, who you're taking as a third option,
Starting point is 02:26:51 Derrick White or Austin Reaves? 64% of the chat prefers Derrick White. They're in line with yours. They picked him because they want to as well. Just saying. No, because, because chat is thinking about the champion part of it.
Starting point is 02:27:05 Right, they're gonna use, oh, he's a champion, he's a gold medalist. So, I used to just, to them as two, just two individuals. It just depends on what you need. I'm just, as two, just as two individuals, the skill set of just those two. Yeah, I'm getting the same offensive. We offensive mind, that's what I'm,
Starting point is 02:27:24 we offensive mind. He play all around. If I need somebody to do everything, I'm getting the same offensive. Big offensive mind. I'm getting the same offensive mind. Big offensive mind. He play all around. If I need somebody to do everything, I'm going there, right? But everything, but. That's what I did. That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying, if you started your team today,
Starting point is 02:27:34 nobody else on it. That's how, when I go like that, I don't look at them in the situation they are. It's like, all right, let me remove everybody. And these are the two people I got to start my team with. I hope I don't have to just. That's how I do it, I don't. Okay.
Starting point is 02:27:48 So. That's why the first thing I wanna say, what team do I have? Yeah, I line them up, I got them two guys, I look at you, they both similar offensively. I think Derek White is a better defender, so I just. Better defender, general. That moves the needle for me in that regard,
Starting point is 02:28:03 but they both similarize offensively. Appreciate you gentlemen. Free agency about 53 minutes away starting. We will be here in the arena on Tuesday with all the latest and greatest free agency news and updates around the league. Appreciate everybody in the chat for pulling up today on this glorious Monday. Appreciate you. Work your magic. I gotta do my part, man. What you need, man? You can come to the arena.
Starting point is 02:28:30 What you need, man? You need some holes? What you need, man? He has been seen with some of the... Yeah, I mean, he been... And on that note... He been in Arizona, he been in... We got the plastics over here, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:28:44 You had natural hair, natural hair. Look, if you want Build-A-Bears, we got the plastics over here, you know what I mean? You had natural, they had natural, look. If you want, if you want Build-A-Bears, we got Build-A-Bear white girls over here. Build-A-Bear. He got some of them there. Oh, you got some of the best? He got them. Oh, you already got them?
Starting point is 02:28:55 He got some of them. And we can't offer him that. On that note, this has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa! We will see y'all tomorrow! Some of the best.

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