Gil's Arena - LeBron & The Lakers NEED To Push The Panic Button

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

LeBron James & the Lakers need To push the panic button as the Gil's Arena Crew react to a crazy Wednesday night in the NBA Playoffs. They tip things off by reacting to the Los Angeles Lakers losing a...nother close out game to the Kevin Durant-less Houston Rockets team, as LeBron James and company struggled to get anything going, and now the Lakers head back to Houston with all of the pressure in the world to not be the first team to blow a 3-0 lead in NBA history. Next, they react to Cade Cunningham and the Detroit Pistons holding off Paolo Banchero and the Orlando Magic in an insane battle between former number 1 overall picks. Are the Magic another team looking to blow a huge series lead? Finally, they discuss the Cleveland Cavaliers taking care of the Toronto Raptors in game 5. Do James Harden and Donovan Mitchell have what it takes to close out this series as well as being a contender in the Eastern Conference? Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Swaggy P, Brandon Jennings Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:04 LeBron & Lakers Trick Off Game 5 0:05:07 LeBron's Take On MJ Comparisons 0:28:54 Cade & Paolo BATTLE In Game 5 0:54:37 Cavs take care of home court 1:16:31 Thunder Sweep The Suns 1:21:34 How Close Is Shai To The GOAT PG Conversation 1:42:11 Shai Trolls Dillon Brooks 1:50:35 Weekend NBA Playoff Picks 2:01:34 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:11 Let's still have a show to do. Oh, y'all look at out, weren't here last night at the watch party, boy. No, nay, game six. You said to watch, man. Yeah, y'all look at out of what here. Man, they said J.C. looked like a dumpling. That was safe. You shot J.C. in the junk?
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Starting point is 00:01:40 I'm merely host Josiah Johnson. We got NBA Champion of the World. Swaggy Pete, Nick Young. Six-time champion. It's not the same right now. Man. It's a lot of good day. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:58 It was Brandon for it. What happened? You normally don't go with us. You don't go in the Laker's side. So I think it's like you're doing this to jinx us. They was up. They was up. They was up three-old.
Starting point is 00:02:08 No, but y'all were not believers. Y'all didn't really believe it in your heart. Not believers. So I picked y'all to win. We thought y'all finished out at home. Saw LeBron walk on water said, and he swam. No, you're nice type of shit we do here in the arena.
Starting point is 00:02:24 We represent tough crowd, car carrying country, member we got Mr. B. Brandon Jannings back here with and on this side of the couch the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff former number one pick Canyon Martin so we got some things to discuss some positive some negative but we will talk about them all here's what's cracking in Gil's arena today after going down 3-0 the Rock has got their second
Starting point is 00:02:51 straight win to force game 6 at their crib is it time for the Lakers to hit the panic button Kay Cah Cunningham came through with a historic performance to keep the Pistons season alive are the magic on the verge of yet another 3-1 collapse and the calves rally from a double-digit second half deficit to beat the Raptors in game 5 on their home floor, is it time to start believing in Cleveland? But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog. Underdog is available in most states, including Texas, California, and Florida.
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Starting point is 00:03:45 Rock has got their first win of the series in Game 4 with a comfortable 19-point win to avoid the sweep, bouncing back from their fourth quarter meltdown in Game 3 to keep their season alive. LeBron had his third lowest scoring output in his playoff career in Game 4 as the Rockets defense forced Brown into eight turnovers in the Lakers into a season high, 24 as a team, with Houston scoring 33 points off those miscues. Rockets were still without KD in Game 5.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Durant missed his fourth game in this series in third straight while dealing with a bone bruise in his sprained ankle. But the Lakers did get Austin Reeves back for the first time since suffering an oblique strain on April 2nd. So JJ Reddick and Jabari Smith, Jr., offered these thoughts on the series
Starting point is 00:04:25 heading into Game 5. It's difficult to kill someone. You know, you've got to, again, survival instinct says I want to stay alive. So you've got to be able to kill them. That's what you've got to call. We're obviously the better team, I feel like, so just knowing that, being confident, trusting our work. He's just telling us to be us. Why do you think you're the better team in the series?
Starting point is 00:04:47 We, us? I just feel like from top to bottom. You can say that's an opinion. You can say I'm biased, but I just think we're the better team. Dr. Barg Smith said they're the better team. So of the 159 teams that have been down three years, In NBA playoff history, only 15 were able to come back and force the game 6. And this Rocket Squad came through with a gritty win to add their name to the list.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Let's take a look at the highlights or lowlights for some. Lakers look good in the first quarter. Jumping out to a seven-point lead, leading by double digits in that first frame. But it did not last. Rockets responded outscoring the Lakers 3019 in the second quarter. End up taking a four-point lead. the break. Rockets found their three-point stroke. Double-thumbs.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Yeah. Top's in there. Did what they had to do. So Houston took advantage of a sluggish Lakers squad. Kept their foot on the gas in the second half of this game. All five Rocket starters scored in double figures. Javari Smith Jr. backing up his talk with a team high, 22 points on 6 to 13 shooting, hitting four of his nine three-point attempts.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Tari Easton added 18 and five boards. boards. It's Operate Shangoon have 14-9 boards and 8 assists. Austin Reeves looked rusty in his first playoff action coming off the bench to put up 22 points and 6 assists in 34 minutes. The man known as Lemon Daddy was 4 of 16 from the field, 2 for 8 from distance, but 12 of 13 from the free throw line. LeBron did his best to try to keep the Lakers in this one.
Starting point is 00:06:19 The game out 25 points including 11 in the fourth quarter along with 7 assists. DeAndrea Aden had 18 and 17 boards. Luke Kinnard cooled off after a sizzling start. after the series. Karnard had just one point in 31 minutes of action missing all four of his shots. Rock is led by as much as 13 in the fourth quarter. Lakers won an 11-1 run to cut the deficit to three after Braun's driving layup. But then Reed Shepherd got those back-to-back buckets, including some get back on Bron.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Ripping him and finishing with a dunk to put Houston up seven. Lakers tried to rally. Could not make a three to save their life. Purple and gold went one for 10 from deep in the final frame, shot just 26% from distance in the game. The Rockets are now the 16th team in NBA history to force a game six after going down 3-0, while LeBron saw his NBA record streak of 16 straight wins in series-clinching home games snap. So after the game, Jabari Smith Jr. talked about how the team bounced back from their game three loss,
Starting point is 00:07:13 and LeBron offered his thoughts on how the series has shifted. We've seen playoff basketball. You know that you've got to bring it every night. You know you can't settle into the game. This playoff is supposed to be physical all out from the jump, you know what I'm saying? and we have to know how to close games. We've got to know how to stay poised in those pressure moments. And I think it was just a learning moment.
Starting point is 00:07:33 And I feel like we grew up. You know what I'm saying? We're growing up together. And it's just good to see Reeve bounced back from the mistake, me bounce back from the mistake, just the team in general. With us in the same kind of situation today, up maybe six with, you know, a minute left, 58 seconds left where a week ago,
Starting point is 00:07:51 we folded and lost the game, you know what I'm saying? So I think that's a step in the right direction. Once we get on that plane head down to Houston, we got to forget about it and understand what we're going for. And it's going to be even harder, man. Like, every game is hard. It's so hard to close out of the team in the postseason to win a series. And this is our first time doing it as a unit. So, you know, we'll see what we got.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Boris Smith, Jr. said he feels like, obviously, the Rockets are the better team. What's the best way to respond to a group that obviously has confidence growing over there? I don't care about shit like that, bro. The game's one in between the four lines. I don't give a damn who cares. I mean, of course you say, why would you say, don't bring up the better team.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Like, but I don't, ask one of them young guys that question, I'm too old for that shit. Could have asked the other LeBron that question. There was no need for smoke right now. There was no need for smoke.
Starting point is 00:08:45 It was. That was Brian. That's Brian. He's smoking. No. Lakers got smoked. We did. Swaggy.
Starting point is 00:08:52 We'll start with you. With your biggest takeaways from the Rockets game. five win over the Lakers to avoid elimination in the series? I feel like this is what Houston was supposed to do. If you would have told me that this Lakers squad with Luke Kinnar, Jackson Hayes, Marcus Marcos Marl, LeBron, was going to be a three-o. I wouldn't believe it.
Starting point is 00:09:14 You know, but they're here, and that's why I feel like we are excited. We didn't see this happening. But I feel like Houston is the better team. I feel like it shouldn't have been like this. It shouldn't be like this in a situation, but it is. And hopefully we can put it up. You know, game six, AR should feel a little more comfortable. And if it goes seven, I feel like they're going to, no matter how his age, he should, he should,
Starting point is 00:09:47 the Lakers should win this series. It shouldn't go seven. I don't want to make excuses for LeBron, but we should be in a situation to begin with, without AR and Luca, but we're here, so we got to do it. We got to finish it. You know, there's no excuses. Swaggy, how old are you? I'm 40.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Do you feel like at 40 years old you could carry this Lakers squad? I don't, but you can't do that to us, though. You can't show us 3-0. I'm saying. And then... We are all on the older side of the spectrum. You're on this couch. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:10:21 We shouldn't be... We shouldn't be up. We shouldn't have been up three-o, especially with KD coming back. Everybody thought that was going to be, you know, the game deciding. Game two was going to be the game to deciding game. But we end up winning three straight. And at this rate, the Lakers are turning in back into who they, we thought they were. Luke and R, what, two, four points yesterday.
Starting point is 00:10:43 One point, 0 for four from the field. Let's see. Marcus Smart ain't had one of them games since game three. So, Canaro was playing like a corner with freedom early in this series. But it seems like the shackles are now being put back on. Man, it's tough, huh? Back to corner boy relegation. Man, man.
Starting point is 00:11:04 No freedom. Life of a corner is tough. Tough. But getting the yard back, I feel like we should win game six. All right, well, the shift over to you, Mr. B. What are your biggest takeaways from the Rockets game five win over the Los Angeles Lakers? Um, this situation to me is like, man, being up 30. And, you know, the other team still got their starters in, and they're just still playing hard, playing hard, and you're just taking your foot off the gas.
Starting point is 00:11:29 You know, the first three games, you know, the coach from the coaching and everything, the pressure, defense is just not the same right now, the intensity. You know, they shit the bed last night, and Houston is playing with their backs against the walls. And, you know, with Marcus Smart being over to LeBron, you know, these guys who've been to the playoffs, they shouldn't know that. So, like I told before, the Lakers, they need to hit that panic button again. because being up 3-0 and then losing to a team without one of their best players, you know, is going to look very bad. So, you know, Luke Canari cannot have a game like he had.
Starting point is 00:12:02 One point playing 31 minutes. Aiden, you know, he's doing this thing 18 and 17. But, you know, you got to, man, they got to figure it out, man. They need to push the panting button right now. Because if you lose game six, I definitely see them losing game seven. Because these young boys, they're still young and they got a lot of confidence. And AR coming back, 4'416 with that headband, pissing me the fuck off.
Starting point is 00:12:27 The headband from Austin. Yeah. You don't like the Austin Rees headband. Yeah, man. No need for the headband right now. To control the sweat right now. Yeah, man. It's just time for the Lakers hit the panic button.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Seriously. All right, well, let's shift over to this side of the couch, the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff. Canyon, biggest takeaways from the Rockets Game 5 win over to Lakers. Yeah, it's your Bron. And I'm Sanjay Reddick said it. Like, it's hard, man. Like, to close the team out.
Starting point is 00:12:54 They're going to scratch, claw, bite, do it all, man, not to go home, right? So you got to really beat a team in the playoffs. And with the way the rockets have been constructed is backyard basketball. That's what they're trying to turn into with a little skill here and there. Without KD, they know they understand. how they need to play. They can't rely on that 25 to 30 at night, which they've had that crutch all season. So without him, the game is going to look a certain way. And I think they have the better of those kind of players than the Lakers. With the Lucanar thing is, hey,
Starting point is 00:13:41 hey, hey, hey, son, bring me that wrench in there. I need to turn this ward off. Right? That's what they did. That's what they did to Luke Canaan, right? Game one, scouting report, he wasn't really, they were like, all right, you know, we know he got it going, game two he played or okay, been downhill ever since. Because now it's like, hey, make him put the ball on the floor, right? Run him off the three point line. That's what they've been doing. And what else can he do, right? If he's not scoring and making threes, why is he playing 31 minutes? Right? That's another question, right? I don't understand what Luke Conard brings to the table other than shot making.
Starting point is 00:14:26 They're looking for him on defense, right? They're seeking him out on the other end. But, yeah, that's enough. That's for their coaching staff to figure out. Having AR back gave them a boost in the beginning, I think, knowing that they was going to have some scoring off the bench where they have not had in the previous games. but Houston has all the momentum
Starting point is 00:14:46 they have all the momentum going home they understand what they didn't do in game three how they let that slip through their fingers so it was learned like Jabari Smith said it was a learning experience for them and I think they have learned from what they didn't do right to lose that game but yeah no
Starting point is 00:15:06 it's going to be interesting how how game six goes and to Nick and Brandon's point if they if they don't get it done in game six It's real sketching that seventh one, man. I'm all going to feel like a brick. What? It's going to be a hole. Heavy hell, it's going to be heavy.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Yeah, absolutely. They're playing with confidence, boy. Yeah, and to y'all point, they're young, man. Like, they, they, yeah, they young, so they got their reserve tank, so they just going, right? Stuff. And now, he didn't play well, offensively. He had nine assists, but he didn't play well, so. They're doubling them a lot in that game, obviously.
Starting point is 00:15:45 You do better. Marcus Mark said he was capable of overcoming those doubles, making the right decision, obviously, get those nine and six. They got to go back to the drawing board there. But they'll trade paid well for you guys. San Juan almost had a triple double. Say again? San Guna almost had a triple double yesterday.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Yeah, yeah. Nine and eight. But I'm saying, but the scoring part, the scoring was down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to get interesting. It's not going to get, it is interesting. It is interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Going to them people crib, game six. Because they played one game with KD this playoff series and they've been three without them so far, right? Yeah, they play four or whatever. Four, four, four. Yeah, he didn't play game one. Yeah, so he played game two. And he was hampered in game two. Didn't play games three, four, or five.
Starting point is 00:16:34 So game one was the knee, the knee injury suffered bumping knees with a teammate, I think, before the series started. The last three games have been bone bruised and spray an ankle. Why is he practiced? I don't know with the practice situation been like post that. He said it was practice. So he came back for two, I mean, it was practiced before that. But I'm saying the game before, like, to miss the before he bumped, so he missed game one of the playoff. Miss game one.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Because allegedly he bumped knees with. Did on-court workout before that game was ruled out, I think shortly before that game started. Yeah, but yeah, why, why is he practicing? Yeah. Like, why is he practicing? We talk about practice? No, not like, like, I understand walk through, you getting, you going on the season. leading up to that.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Leading up to that. Like, you're going through sets and you're doing certain things to get ready for the playoff. Like, this man, what, 37? Like, why is he? Like, what? He's playing one?
Starting point is 00:17:26 Like, for what? Those y'all told him. That one-on-one shit? Like, well, for what, though? You know what I'm saying? Either whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. Hey, somebody got to step in.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Like, no, hey, we need you. Yeah. Like, one thing we cannot afford is for you to go down. Right. So. And you just seen every coverage. so you sit out and have
Starting point is 00:17:45 you don't need to just go out there the bump knees and be out five games to miss the first game with the player no you missed the first one how hard did you work
Starting point is 00:17:55 as you guys no so smuggy miss the first game with the whatever you're going to make a move and you go knee
Starting point is 00:18:02 to knee boy hey missed the first game with the knee and then spraying his ankle I believe in game two then missed the next three with the bone bruise
Starting point is 00:18:08 and the spraying ankle so two separate injuries yeah which if you're 37 plus As you know, like my shoulder hurts right now, I haven't done anything physical or laborious. In years. He bumped knees the same day of the game.
Starting point is 00:18:21 It was like one. No, he tried to work out. No, leading up to game one, they were practicing or he was playing ones, whatever he was doing, he bumped knees with someone. He worked out the day of the game, pregame, and they decided that he couldn't go into game. My thing is, his pregame routine is what it is, he's going to do that. up to the game one, why y'all getting up and down or him playing one? Why?
Starting point is 00:18:49 I know Brown ain't. Listen, I played a lot of playoffs basketball, prepared for a lot of different series. Trust me. One thing wasn't going to do is put me not being able to play in jeopardy in the playoffs. It ain't going to happen, right? Because this is when you... That's different. Like, no, I wish you would come in that bed.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Hey, fellas, we're going to get up and down today. The fuck who? That is different. Who going to get up and down today? Right. Huh? Stretch and watch. Yeah, I start talking to him like, Russ, Russ.
Starting point is 00:19:27 I'm top 75, man. Don't wear my jacket in here. I ain't doing that. I need to wear this. I need to read these rings in here to let you know. His defense memory, it is a week off before they. I don't care. There's that player.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Yeah, they're playing in and all that memory. So work out. Just work, I mean, you can work out by yourself. Like, I, yeah. Like, what's going to be the difference? But we don't know. We don't know if it's ones, though. That's why it's funny.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Like I said, ones are plenty. Listen, I said, wounds are getting up and down, either one. Was it, was it a walkthrough? Like, if you're walking through and bump, it's like, what's y'all doing? So I stained the injury during the practice collision with the teammate, don't know how the factors leading to that collision. Caust tenderness in his butelotent area. Why is he practicing?
Starting point is 00:20:10 Taped up before game one, went. through his pregame workout got ruled out for that game. But now he's going to be out for game six as well. So now they're making the announcement day in advance. It's not even a question like. No, bone bruises is hurt. Okay, since that, so they only got no timetable when he could come back. That's the crazy point.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Like, normally it's a week or two. It's a bone bruise. We don't know. So they've said previously that this injury occurred during the regular season to be a two to three week time frame. Obviously, the playoffs are different. It's still two to three weeks. Look.
Starting point is 00:20:40 tried to play, he can't. Mm-hmm. Like, if he can't go, like, yeah, I think if you, he tried on the knee, he said he couldn't go. Pretty sure he won't. Could it be like he thought the series is over at a certain point? Well, you down three games, shit. That's, could it be that? That's what I'm saying, can it be that?
Starting point is 00:21:01 And then he flipped the script, now you're like, oh, shit. No, but if it gets seven, my... If it gets seven, I'll rest some more, I'll come back to my case. I'm saying, if it goes seven, it might heal up by game. I'm saying. It goes seven. You might get out that bitch take a shot of tour
Starting point is 00:21:15 or all to go out that bitch and go out of that bitch. You know what? I have a fresh one. Motherfucking bruise don't feel that bad today. Do that look suspicious
Starting point is 00:21:23 if he comes back game seven? Hey. Lock room, like, hold on now. Nah, hey. Hold on now. So you're going to tell you
Starting point is 00:21:30 go to turn 20th side and hold on now. DeVar and Smith, Jerry have 30 next game and then come back and he shot it. It's like, hold on now. Shit, hey, trust me. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. No, but I think not. It is what it is at this point. It is what it is at this point. Rockets players hating from their burners. Now he want to come back, huh? What was your ass at when he was down three-oh?
Starting point is 00:21:55 Let's go a little bit deeper into this series. It's been a stark difference in how both teams have looked in the last two games compared to the first three. Lakers' offense on fire to start this series. They're averaging 107 points shooting 51% from the field, 46% from three. in the last two games, putting up this 95 points, shooting 46% from the field, 25% for 3. Meanwhile, the Rockets offense has found their rhythm, averaging 7 more points per game, and their two wins while shooting better from the field and from 3. Lakers have also appeared to be running on a few of these past two games
Starting point is 00:22:26 while this young Rocket squad seems energized. So Swagie, how concerned should the Lakers be by these last two games? Took a 3-0 lead, two back-to-back games. Lester Settler did not play with their food, if you will. Yeah. For me, I always thought the Rockers did have the better team, just young. I looked at Sangoon as a star in his league just because of the past and what he did last playoffs and all that. But coming into this, the first three games, I don't know what happened.
Starting point is 00:23:05 I thought I don't know what I've seen in the Rockets. And what the Lakers was doing, I thought, you know, it's years. It's the vets. LeBron played with 20 playoffs series. I mean, years is playoffs. And Marcus More was a champion championship experience, not being making it to the finals. Lucan Noir been in his league for a minute. Fucking Aiden been to the finals.
Starting point is 00:23:34 So, you know, once they got it going, I say, okay, the Lakers got a chance. No KD, the KD come back, I thought it was over. I ain't going to lie. Once KD came back, I thought the Lakers was done. They end up shocking me. But now I feel like they're just turning back into who I thought who Knoir was in the beginning. Going up against A. Thomas and Jabari Smiths and, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:00 I feel like the Rockets got momentum. They got a chance to do something. They say true. So, Ken, who's under more pressure going into game six in Houston? What you mean? Who's under more pressure? Right. Rocket season on the line.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Lakers can trick off another game. It's Lakers. Lakers. Can't come back home for game seven. Okay, you got that in your pocket, but you don't want to use it. You don't want to have to use it. You don't have to use in game seven to finish this thing, man. Trust me.
Starting point is 00:24:26 You don't want to do that. You do not want to do that. You only remember the Golden State Warriors and the Houston Rockets Series. Last. They went out of them over and missed 27 straight. threes on your home floor in game seven no you do not want that that that that ain't what you want bruh they can make at least one no I'm gonna miss 27 straight now you know how hard that is to do on your own floor now you don't want you
Starting point is 00:24:55 don't want that to happen to you man so you want to finish this thing out as quickly as you can man and they haven't done it yet but you got another opportunity game six and we know where opportunity works at this one point in 30 minutes. One whole point. Turned the water off, bro. Write them off the line. Couldn't even make two feet off.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Making them defend somebody on the other end. Couldn't make two, it made one. Put them in every situation, yeah. I'm just going to get to the line. So now it's talking about one, this is going to get Luke and all going. Nah, no, no, and ain't going to get him going. 50, 40, 90. Definitely ain't go get him going.
Starting point is 00:25:28 That's what I'm saying. Like, God. And you know, Dorian, Fintz, hey, shout out the Dorian Smith for staying ready, man. Also known as Black and Miles. Yeah, Black and Mild, dog. He, championship with you guys as well, though. He went on the bubble team? No, I think he came later.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Yeah? Later in the mix. It's a lot of pressure on the Lakers. There's a lot of pressure on the Lakers. It's a lot of concern about the Lakers. Oh, black of miles on y'all? I've just seen those comments about Brian made about the goat conversation. We're going to chat about that.
Starting point is 00:25:54 I'm a Terry. Being up 3-0, I don't think no team has... You don't want to be the first. No, no, the 15th. With the Mazz at that point. They'll be the 15 if they have to get to a game 7. But yeah, it's a lot of pressure, man, because they took their foot off the gas pedal. And I said, they got to hit that panic button again.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I don't know what happened and what the mindset was, game one and game two, but they need to try to figure it back out. LeBron, I mean, you know, like you just said, you're talking about the goat conversation, being up three, oh, yeah, you're 41, but hey, you lose first round to this. It's going to be a stinger. Like, they're going to have something to pick at, so. Really, with no Luca for the whole series? Yeah, I mean, at the end of day, you still up three oh.
Starting point is 00:26:35 guy, so to be put on the third option for his heroic effort. Listen, it's going to be on LeBron's days if they lose. His first begod and son, I don't want to rock his bench and gowns. They're not looking at that 41-year-old. He said he's a goat. He's going to care how old that man is. He lacing him up. He lacing him up.
Starting point is 00:26:55 They're going to critique it. George never did this. He did not make the playoffs, right? But it don't matter. See, that's the thing. He wasn't there to get critiqued. that was that. Can't hate it over if I'm not there.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Yeah, that's where it goes. Out of sight out of mind, brother. Man. So let's talk a little bit about that LeBron article that came out. So on Wednesday before Game 5, ESPN's David Minnan dropped an article featuring a season long 23 question Q&A with LeBron covering a variety of topics to celebrate his 23rd season in the league. So when Menyman asked Abron,
Starting point is 00:27:28 what did Michael Jordan do better than him and what does he do better than MJ? LeBron offered this response saying, quote, I have never compared myself to MJ because our games are totally different. I've been a point forward, forward point in my whole life. I've always looked for the past. MJ kind of looked for the shot. Not kind of. He did.
Starting point is 00:27:49 He looked for the shot. There are a lot of things where I would say my game is a lot different and a little better than his. But shit, he was effing great. We're both great. We're both great basketball players. Brown also offered his thoughts on the never-ending goat debate, saying, quote, I think it's very tiring conversation. It's barbershop talk.
Starting point is 00:28:09 You can look at both of us and say that you love both of us without trying to shit on the other person. And usually it's shitting on me. But I hope I made him proud, at least, wearing that number 23. What's your thoughts on LeBron's comments on the MJ comparisons and the goat debate? Very candid, Shiault Day McMahon. I mean, yeah, they're two different players.
Starting point is 00:28:31 I mean, LeBron, they compare coming in. They compare LeBron and Matthew Johnson. So, you know, he, unfortunately, he was just able to score all the points, assist leaders and all this other stuff. But, I mean, he's a killer in his own way. You know, he's a dog in his own way. He came out of high school doing it. And he's led up to the hype every single day.
Starting point is 00:28:52 So from his standpoint, if he want to feel like he's the goat and he's the greatest, he has that right to say that. I don't know if anybody that's played basketball has been in every situation like he has been, as far as being talked about, on and off the court. and just the things he's done. So to me, for the goat debate, it's all about who you love. You know, guys in the 90s, they grew up to Mike.
Starting point is 00:29:13 You know, I grew up to LeBron James. And so, and Kobe Bryant. So those are the guys that, you know, I looked up as my goats. Kenny, when you see these comments from LeBron James, what's your reaction to him? Talking about the MJ comparisons in the goat debate. Yeah, I think he was candid as he possibly can be.
Starting point is 00:29:32 And honest, his honest opinion. It's under thoughts and feelings in it not. Because he's living in real time, right? He can only speak on how things have transpired for him, right? Yeah, they're two different players. They both grading their own right, like he said. Like Michael Jordan has stated before, the guys that came before him, it's unfair to say that he's the greatest
Starting point is 00:29:59 because he didn't get the player against of those guys, right? So they all have been great in their own right, LeBron is in that conversation. And to say that you are mentioned as one of the greatest player to ever put on a pair of basketball shoes is nothing to thumb your nose at. Whether you're one, two, two, one, whatever, however you want to place it and place him, and that is your preference. But yeah, now, he's been great throughout his tenure. He came in with a lot of pressure, lived up to that pressure and hype.
Starting point is 00:30:33 And he's still going. So, but he's given a lot of room for critique and people to have things to say. But he just keep pushing, right? Have a team up three on the playoffs now, which not a lot of people expect it, right? So, no, it's, yeah, but no, that's his honest God's thoughts on how things have been for him and this throughout his 23 years. So, hey. Right. I think he usually gets shit on in the goat debate.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Yeah. As LeBron fan, I can attest it that LeBron fans call glazers. Yeah, people are, yeah, they got things. Like you can't support. Can't support it. You're a glazed swaggy. You changed your tune, I think earlier this season,
Starting point is 00:31:16 finally acknowledged you in a minute the reality that most people are uncomfortable with accepting that LeBron has surpassed M.J. I was in the get-out. When you're just in the moment? When you stuck in the get-out? Yeah, you don't want to say LeBron is to go. Like, they start doing the little T-thing
Starting point is 00:31:33 and bring you back. So yeah, I feel like, man, my bad. I feel like every time you even speak of LeBron, it's a problem. Like, you'll see if you say anything about LeBron being the goat or anything, comments going to fill up, people get mad, it's outrageous. I feel like Jordan never had to deal with this type of media. Media very pro-jordan back in those days. Man, it couldn't do no wrong.
Starting point is 00:32:04 And now we're in a place where everybody has a voice. It's not just two channels on, you know, cable, ESPN and stuff. Everybody has their voice and I feel like the tune going to change. Once the generation become and take their spot, it's going to hear a lot of the bronze. You know, this young generation love the bronze. Generation love LeBron. Are they going to hate on whoever is next in line the same way that LeBron got hated?
Starting point is 00:32:40 No. No, I just think it's because you know. Should I just start hating on Wimby now? Like Brandon made the point, right? It's who you grew up watching, right? Who you grew up like watching play the game? I'm older than y'all, so I grew up watching Mike and the Pistons and play. Like I grew up, that's my era.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Like my favorite teams of Pistons. Isaiah Thomas, like, could do no wrong in my eyes. Like, that team can do no wrong. So that's my error, right? Every era has their greats and their teams and people who you're going to idolize. And I'm glad Brian said it, right? And that's been my, like,
Starting point is 00:33:21 I try to debunk when having the conversation with people about the greatest basketball player of all the time. I was on vacation with my family in Florida, right? We had a crab spot eating and the dude sitting with his old lady Before the kids went to the The kids went to the bathroom and washed their hands He wanted to have the conversation
Starting point is 00:33:39 About who's the great I see the show by watch the show all the time Big fan He was like Who you got the greatest bathoff at I said Michael Jordan He was like well I'm a LeBron guy And then he got to he want to
Starting point is 00:33:50 Go into what makes Bronn better than Maya And I stopped him I'm like what what But Can't LeBron be great in his own right without you saying anything negative about Michael Jordan. Is LeBron great?
Starting point is 00:34:05 He said, yeah. I said, is the same thing true about Michael, vice versa? He was like, yeah, I said, you don't have to shit on the other guy. But you don't have to. They did it first. Like ESPN, I've seen Stephen A
Starting point is 00:34:19 said, you know how I feel about MJ in my heart and how much I love him. I see him. But that's bias. So you're making him you putting him one. You're putting him one. Everybody's biased.
Starting point is 00:34:31 But it's the people in charge that's older, that scene that's always putting that LeBron down, though. That's the thing. Like, every time you want to critique, want to talk negative about them, they hope the fucking really Houston come back and win. But you can have something to knock down. Yeah, they're going to have something to say. Those people who not realist and not honest, they want to have some negative to say. They want to have something.
Starting point is 00:34:53 They want to have something to say because, you know why? that's what get people to click on it. He's in the conversation too. He's still in the conversation. He's still in the conversation still in. For people to click on it, he's still a hot button. I don't care for what do he do, how. And they hold, listen, to y'all point,
Starting point is 00:35:12 most of the population that all of, they are hoping this man fails in this situation. They don't care about this age. Yeah. Yeah. They are wishing and praying and hoping that the Houston Rock has come back and finish this thing. Unfortunately. That's, like, hey, they are, like, hey,
Starting point is 00:35:26 they are praying to whatever God, whoever, they're paying ties now they ain't never went to church on Wednesdays. They're doing it all. Jesus, Buddha. Yeah, they all of it, right? They're going to see the psychic and they're trying to,
Starting point is 00:35:42 hey, they're looking for a prayer of bronze. Sox to bury in the yard and all kind of shit. Voodoo, all kind of shit going on right now. Yeah. I try to hope this man don't do it so they can go in their money shit and be like, told you wasn't the best. Like, look, look.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Look, once again, that's what they want to do now. So it's, but not looking at the totality of the situation. But like you said, though, the best thing about it is, man, you just want to be in a conversation, man. Like, you just want to, when they mention who the greatest, you just want to be in a conversation. Over 5,000 players in NBA? Do you want to just be in a conversation? I mean, when it's blatant, like. I mean.
Starting point is 00:36:17 What is blatant, though, Nick? I mean, because somebody always going to feel a different way. He even feel it. They mostly just shit on me. Like, I never heard nobody shit on MJ. To this day, you don't hear people talk. Oh, no, LeBron people, no, LeBron fans do. Yeah, they do.
Starting point is 00:36:30 The only thing they say he didn't play against nobody. Yeah, that's shit on them. That means everybody Michael Jordan played against was trashed. He couldn't score like that. But he got all the fucking points in NBA is. But the truth is, Mike was a better score. He went to the front nine times and shit, yeah. Yeah, they're going to pick holes.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah, but somebody's saying you ain't played against nobody. That just means everybody in the 90s was trashed in. They're going to pick holes. Whatever you give an opportunity to. I mean, sit. So, I mean, he played in an easy error then. If that's the case, that's bad, too. If somebody say I'm supposed to be the greatest,
Starting point is 00:37:03 I ain't playing against nobody. Well, not your fault. I mean, I think Testament, though, to Jordan's greatness, the league was going through an expansion at that time. And that man was better than everybody. Let's not act like he wasn't. Like, fucking better than everybody. League was watered down, though, King.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Okay, cool. But that's a part of the growth of business side of it. And I'm still, and I stood, like, It wasn't like I was just playing okay and everybody else was right here and I was just playing here. No, okay, y'all was say he was here, that motherfucker was head and shoulders better than everybody
Starting point is 00:37:34 else then, right? So that's just what it is for people, right? The LeBron noise is going to is not going to go away no time soon. Head and shoulders. Because head and shoulders way... But I'm saying, that's what everybody's saying. He's saying the league was watered down. This is your size words, right?
Starting point is 00:37:50 I mean, you're asking... He said the league was watered down. I'm just saying, So if it was, right? If it was water day. He was still busting ass. He was still muck out. So it wasn't like he was just average a motherfucker 25 and I'm just going to play okay. Like, no.
Starting point is 00:38:06 But the drop off when he left, the bulls didn't drop off that far. That's what I'm saying. You can't be head and shoulders. The bulls didn't drop off what far? When he left? The boss is still. The first time or the second time? No, no, first time.
Starting point is 00:38:19 The first time, okay. They still had, he just left. They didn't win it But still The drop off wasn't that far They didn't win it It'd be head and shoulders He came down
Starting point is 00:38:29 They won three That means You gotta be like LeBron when he leave Cleveland It's over Like the team don't exist No more damn near Until he come back
Starting point is 00:38:39 Okay that's the same thing That's the same thing That's the same thing You're still number one And number two Second round Come back and win three more They went to the
Starting point is 00:38:46 He still come from finals And lost to New York Okay then lost But that's You one step away From the finals So championship experience don't matter. So your point, championship experience,
Starting point is 00:38:57 Scott and Tipin and that's why. When LeBron left, Cleveland, what was Cleveland at? That type of shit. That's head and shoulders beyond everybody else. Head and shoulders is not, I leave. We don't go to the finals. We go to the Eastern Conference Finals.
Starting point is 00:39:12 LeBron leave. Because they had a good team. They got the number one pick in the draft. They had a good team. They had a good team. They had a good team, and that's how people were supposed to talk about the They had a great coach
Starting point is 00:39:22 and a great team. They had a good list. And LeBron never had a great coach. Well, that ain't got nothing to do with him. He never had none of that. They ain't got nothing to do with him. Like, it's blatant. That ain't got nothing to do with him.
Starting point is 00:39:34 It does. It does, though. Phil Jackson was a great coach. And one with all the great players. With Michael Joy and they're a great team. Without Michael Joy and they're a good team. They got to the Eastern Conference Semis lost in the next four three. So, so that's my second round.
Starting point is 00:39:49 They got to the second round. But you should get to the second round after winning three straight championships and you lose one guy. You should be able to get to the second round with the rest of them. No. Scottie wasn't no trash. The rest of the team wasn't no trash. And Phil was a hell of a coach. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:40:08 He got the dudes to believe that we could still win. That ain't got nothing to do with. I mean, if you take yokeers off. But did he come back and win three straight? Take jokes. Yeah. Did he come back and win three straight? So.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah. Yeah. No, that was killing. It was dominant. It was the missing piece. But, but I think,
Starting point is 00:40:27 I think, I think, I think Nick is saying, though, I think Nick is saying, like, it's just blatantly now that it should be blatant
Starting point is 00:40:32 that LeBron's the greatest ever. To who, though? That's my point. To who? I saw Michael Jordan play with my own two hours. That's like, my favorite player.
Starting point is 00:40:42 So, yeah, I saw Michael Jordan play. I saw, LeBron James is the coach. That's what I saw. I saw LeBron play. It ain't, they're all great in their own right.
Starting point is 00:40:51 I'm not taking anything from nobody. I'm not saying that one, like, this guy's, no, just I can have my preference. But that's, without shit. Without shit, no. Yes, there's more. No, because my breakfast is Kobe. I think Kobe's better. Realistically, LeBron really is the goat.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Like, you can't deny this shit. That's the part I'm talking about. It is all subjective. It is. Are you saying like when the new, when the new rankings come out, whatever, who's number one, LeBron should be on this. He should be number one. So when LeBron retires, so when LeBron retired, he should be over money.
Starting point is 00:41:24 He should be number one. Okay. And people that still watch Michael Jordan play, still got votes, right? And guess what they're going to vote for? I know. And that's just what it is. You're not going to change people's opinion. Like, I don't, you just not.
Starting point is 00:41:38 No, no, no, for sure. But it ain't about changing your opinion. Yes, it is. Yes, it is right. I mean, our personal opinion is our personal opinion. But I'm saying when the record is right, but my opinion is like, if I was doing, okay, I'll just put Colby before all of them. And that's your preference.
Starting point is 00:41:52 You got to put LeBron. And that's your preference. And then you can't, you got to put LeBron, then do your, if you want to do your number, you know, if you want to do your number, no. Most of the NBA's favorite fucking basketball player. No, that's the fact. No, no. But that don't make it him number one.
Starting point is 00:42:06 But that's their preference. But that don't make him number one. That's number one. That's what I'm saying. The point I'm making is this their preference. But it's a preference. The Brown is in the league with Paul George the whole time. Yes and no.
Starting point is 00:42:17 Was Lebron in the league the whole time with Paul George? It's a preference. Yes, right? And you asked this generation, their preference was Paul George. They didn't say Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. But it, so you put, so somebody said, I'm going to put Paul George over LeBron James. That's their preference. You want to argue that?
Starting point is 00:42:35 That's their preference. It don't matter if it's their preference or not. Would you argue that? No. No. Oh, you're right. Yes. Okay, Stephen Nate, somebody, please.
Starting point is 00:42:43 That's your preference. I can't wait to this shit. I won't come to do it. Like, that's your choice. It don't matter about choice. Yes, it is. No, it's about being, what's right and what's your personal... No, that's to you.
Starting point is 00:42:55 What's right to you ain't right, what's right to me? So none of this is right. What's right to you? Everything is about feelings now. What you eat don't make nobody else shit. It's about feelings, though. No. This is about feelings now.
Starting point is 00:43:06 No, it is. No. If it's about your personal feelings about... My personal preference on what... Instead of facts and numbers and what this man is doing, that I mean, what you say don't mean shit. I'm not that far
Starting point is 00:43:20 So what that said Then Where does Kareem Abdul Jabbar fit into this conversation My personal go With that
Starting point is 00:43:28 With that said I'm glad you said That Where does Kareem Abdul Jabbar fit into this conversation then He should be
Starting point is 00:43:35 Top five Top five Should be number one He got five Championship Five what Six MVP's Six championships
Starting point is 00:43:43 Six championships Six chips I believe Six chips My bad Don't let me Short you Huh
Starting point is 00:43:48 Any almost what Bruce Lee's at? Yeah. Almost. 38,000 points scored. Six Chips, six MVP's. 38,000 points scored. Like, let's be, if we're having the conversation. So a lot of people got Kareem number one.
Starting point is 00:44:02 If we have the conversation. A lot of people do. So, that's what I'm saying. So how, so therefore, right, how can you, like, LeBron is who he is, Kareem was who he was, Mike is who he is, right? How many points LeBron got? 40,000.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Yeah. I think 50 combined with... Like Michael Jackson, records are never going to be broken. Okay, so why would you put LeBron James number one? What he's doing? Just because all the records, everything.
Starting point is 00:44:31 He's down there now. He's the goat in two positions. Point guard and small four. If you want to throw him in power four, you could. Who else doing that? Who else is top five in one of these, another category?
Starting point is 00:44:47 Because nobody else has played 23 years, Nick. So there's nobody else to judge it on, Nick. Nobody else. So, what I'm saying? He played 20. That makes him the goal, then, right there. Nobody else is that. Oh, no, that doesn't mean that.
Starting point is 00:45:01 How many assists? The durable. The Korean got that meaning of sense? No, Karin does not have been in a second. Okay. He wasn't a passer. He's all around everything he's doing. So a player that is the system and a player that just score.
Starting point is 00:45:14 He was a five man that scored 38,000 points with one. That's what I'm saying. Coer 38,000 points with one move. Also eight bean pies. The fucking dude right here. Where's LeBron on the all-assist list? I feel like LeBron took the harder road to get his championships. Say it again?
Starting point is 00:45:36 I think he took the harder road to get his championships. Who did? Who that? The harder road? Who? Lebron James. So going to Miami with Dwayne Wade and Chris? with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh was the harder road.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Still hard, yeah, you gotta get it done. Are you fucking serious? We still gotta get it done. I mean, still gotta get it done. That's when the critique started. That's when the criticism started. He only got two. But that's when the criticism started.
Starting point is 00:46:02 He lost twice. But that's when the criticism started. Right? When he went to Miami. Right, so the criticism, right? All the hate and the bullshit started with the, I'm going to South Beach shit. Right?
Starting point is 00:46:15 Right. Okay, so you expected the reason you want to go down there and run the table Okay, and we don't right right so we didn't so okay so boom that's that was a Another hard roll we lost twice I got to come back to Cleveland Promise them we gonna win win one yeah we actually get one yeah go to the finals again okay I I think his role I think his I think his I think his role just from just his I mean the first time in Cleveland shit we got sweat by Tim Duncan in them Right boom boom then I had to go and then I had to get through the big three with with both
Starting point is 00:46:45 Yeah, okay. Couldn't do that. So, okay, I go do the same thing they did. Okay, but then I get criticized for it. But I'm not saying. Criticism started then, right? But you expect you go doing Duane Wade and Chris Bosch in Miami. Y'all could put this team together to fit.
Starting point is 00:47:02 We lost the first year. But the team is the same is Chicago Super Team. Right, right. So, okay. Okay, but they're going to get a pass. No, no, you don't. But I'm saying I think his role was tougher. But you don't get a, no.
Starting point is 00:47:15 tried to make that road easier. Nah, you can't. Going to Miami, him standing in Cleveland, what's the hard, the real list, hear me out, standing Cleveland is the hard road that you speak up. Stand in Cleveland, he don't even have a chance to get there no more after that one of time. So it's not even hard.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Now, now going back, I know how to put a team together, right? Then going back, I know how to put a team together. I went down to Miami, I learned, I watched, observe on what championship pedigree and what we need in order to win. I take that same ingredients over here to Cleveland. Implement it. We get it done, right?
Starting point is 00:47:55 People still are criticizing no matter what after the Miami thing. Because now you can, you was expected to win more than two in Miami. Right, no, for sure. That was the expectation by the masses. For sure, for sure. You was expected to win more than two because y'all put this super team together. Y'all fell on your face. in most people's opinion
Starting point is 00:48:16 with winning too for some people it's not enough and that's the barks right oh you went to the finals this minute time but you only won this minute
Starting point is 00:48:25 that's the that's the crutch that people have when they're talking about the difference and the debate and winning and that's what people lean on eight straight finals
Starting point is 00:48:35 I agree this is tough to do eight straight finals is crazy it's crazy with your break yes it's crazy it is absolutely insane to think
Starting point is 00:48:46 about it. Because we played in it, right? Because we play, we know how hard it is to get to the playoffs, right? It's hard to get to the playoffs. To sustain that shit for eight straight seasons, I don't care for who on your roster is hard to do.
Starting point is 00:49:01 But a lot of people, in a lot of people's opinion, he tried to take the easier route going to Miami and joining that. And I'm saying, that's when the criticism started. So no matter anything after that, winning or losing, Unless he's sweeping everybody and they just whooping ass and all that,
Starting point is 00:49:17 that's the only thing that was going to get people off his back. But in that case, though. Oh, he was in a bubble. Is that the same thing? He got no pass for that. Right, he got, like, people criticize the championship. This man won a championship. And people was like,
Starting point is 00:49:33 it ain't this, man. Look at what it was. It was watered down. He was easy. People, they didn't get this man no credit for winning that. Yeah. I mean, the only thing about his greatness is that. The only thing to me is just, bro, everywhere I've been, I've won.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Any franchise. Like, any franchise I put a jersey on, I've won. Good. And that's why I said to me is just the hardest, and it was the most challenging one. Because you actually, you know, Tim Duncan, one team, you know, Michael Jordan one team, Kobe Bryant one team. Yeah. But to go to different coaches and different organizations and going there and being like,
Starting point is 00:50:05 yo, it's my shit now. We're going to win because I'm here. But that's great. And then that's for the masses, that's another dink, right? because them other dudes and they quote unquote didn't jump shit when shit got bad
Starting point is 00:50:19 they didn't jump ship but they had the foundation though but I get but still people don't see the big picture people not gonna look at the totality of the picture they're gonna go with fifth their narrative right to make him look bad
Starting point is 00:50:33 they're not gonna look at Cleveland ain't never won shit before they draft this man number one for a reason right they hadn't one shit I went to the Nets Nets hadn't won shit saying you expect to do certain things he expected to do certain things he did those things but people like oh he shit he could have get can get there but he jumped ship he went so that's just
Starting point is 00:50:53 you give people a glimpse of what and they're going to take that small sniff it and they're going to look at the big picture but is that fair but is that fair is that fair is that fair to have that narrative in basketball because the idea is just to get it done right like when you get to the NBA that your idea is to win championships no we got it by any means So why does this have to be a sting narrative on this guy? Is it because he's in the conversation with Jordan? So we got to use this narrative to knock it off. And it's just like...
Starting point is 00:51:22 That's weak, though. But that's what people are going to do, though, Nick, unfortunately. And even with the super... I've had enough of this. Yeah, yeah. Enough of these fucking conversations and just sit back in a room and barbershop just sit back and listen. Right? And then ultimately somebody's going to ask me my opinion and what I have to say.
Starting point is 00:51:41 in every environment. I just sit back and just listen to people argue day in and day out about it. Just and to laugh because do the how mad mother, listen dog, people really get upset and mad.
Starting point is 00:51:56 It'd be people who don't even be on this. Step by side, nigga. I'd be like, damn. Many people who don't even be on the same court with these niggas. It's like, yo, how are we wrong? Like, we see them every day. Yeah, they do question your guys
Starting point is 00:52:06 opinion. Like, dude, I haven't been on the court with you. Like, I've seen them. I sit on this very couch. It's amazing that let me sit up in arguing about shit that I was on the team for. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:52:17 Like, I've said that shit plenty of times. Like, I've, you know, y'all do know I was there, right? You were in the building, but this through bacon go on forever. It will go on forever. It is a drill boat every time. So I'll make this point and we can move on. The old, unfortunately, like, we don't live forever, right? And the Michael Jordan fans are fading.
Starting point is 00:52:41 we're transitioning, right? A lot of Michael Jordan older people are transitioning. They're not here anymore, right? But LeBron fans are younger and so it's going to continue to as long as Michael Jordan reign has been, LeBron's reign will be that.
Starting point is 00:52:54 I don't know if nobody would surpass that or come close to ever being the next in the conversation. Don't know who that will be or if it will happen. All right, so we've got to start hating on Wimby now. Yeah, maybe it's Wimby's turning. I was going to say maybe it's Wimby.
Starting point is 00:53:08 He already did. What's you call him? School? A lunchtime Hooper What? Last time Hoover When he first came in We'll come with some narrative soon
Starting point is 00:53:17 All right but let's keep this day Moving back to playoff basketball Shift over to the East Where the top seat of Pistons We're looking to avoid elimination Wednesday at their crib In game five against the Magic Magic are the sixth eighth seed
Starting point is 00:53:28 To have a 3-1 lead Since the first round expanded To seven games in 2003 Four of the previous five Went on to win the series The only team that didn't Was a 2003 Magic Under Doc Rivers
Starting point is 00:53:39 Who had a 3-1 lead over the Pistons but went on to lose that series. So this game five turned into a duel between former number one picks Palo Bancaro and Cade Cunningham with Kaye coming through with a historic night to keep his season alive. Let's check out the highlights if we can, please. So Pistons got the wire-to-wire win as the magic did their best to keep things interesting. Detroit led by as much as 18 in the second quarter before an Orlando run cut the deficit to six at the break.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Cade Cunningham, Palo Bancaro, both tried to will their teams to victory with a pair of dominant performances. Cade put up a playoff career high in Pistons. Playoff record 45 points along with five assists and four rebounds. 13 for 23 from the field with five three-pointers, which is also a playoff career high for Cade. And a perfect 14 for 14 at the line. Palo matched Cade with a 45 piece of his own, along with nine boards and seven assists, taking on a heavier scoring load with Franz Vaghan's. her sideline with a ripe calf strain.
Starting point is 00:54:40 Cade and Powell are just the second pair of opponents in NBA playoff history to each drop 45 points in the same game, joining Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray, who did it in the bubble in 2020. The bubble where the Lakers won the championship, for those who do not remember. Tobias Harris added 23 points and 8 rebounds for the Pistons, while Jalen Duren had 12 and 9 boards. Pistons led by as much as 15 in the fourth quarter before the Magic tried to rally one last time. Paolo Bancaro trying to get it done as best he could. So a little over a minute remaining, Paolo hit a big three to cut the deficit to three,
Starting point is 00:55:17 but Kay Cunningham responded 15-foot fade away to seal the win. With the loss of magic, are now 0 and 10 on the road in game fives in their playoff history. After the game, Kay was asked what he loves about playing in big moments and offered disresponse. opportunity. Not everybody's blessed with those type of opportunities to have pressure and to, you know, have things on the line like that. You know, a lot of times I feel undeservent of like how great a moment I get to be a part of. So just thankful for it. Just try to, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:58 make the most out of it. Yeah, just never die mentality. You know, just wanted to have a controlled aggression all night. And, yeah, make sure they felt me. I didn't know. I want this season to end right now, so I got to put it all on the line. That he did. Pistons' liberty another day.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Now head to back to Orlando for game six. I have 45. Let's like, we'll start with you. Biggest takeaway is from the Pistons' game five win over the magic. Hey, man, they don't want to go home. That's all this has been. People don't want to go home.
Starting point is 00:56:33 And Kay took it on as a leader. I like that. I like his answer too. Man, a lot of people ain't blessed or fortunate to be in situations like that. I like the way you handle it. But 45 in the elimination game, says a lot about who you are, man.
Starting point is 00:56:52 And the Pistons is tough. You just got to keep it going. And for Orlando, they fought to the end, too. It ain't no Ceywalk. Orlando was one of them teams that was supposed to be one of them, really one of them teams. Not your traditional eighth seed in the conference, we'll say that. Pablo had 45 too.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Pablo P. Carroll. Kay going to have to do a lot, though. That's the only thing. I think this offseason they're going to have to go find number two or at least a guy that could put the ball in the hole. you know but this year this playoffs
Starting point is 00:57:34 is going to have to do a lot it's going to have to be 40 down there every night for them to have a chance
Starting point is 00:57:39 I feel like which is crazy but they put themselves in this position by not being able to get it done earlier in the series
Starting point is 00:57:46 magic playing very well now go back to Orlando Orlando I believe 8 and 1 on their home court in postseason
Starting point is 00:57:52 games under Jamal Mosley that includes the play in but Mr. B biggest takeaways from the Pistons
Starting point is 00:57:57 getting the game five win keeping their series alive I mean Just came, man, has to do so much. Man. I mean, you know, Tobias Harris, he gave him 23,
Starting point is 00:58:06 but they're all starting during. He's not really doing anything. 12. You know, good win at home, but I still see the, I can't count the magic out. I mean, they got scores. You know, Paulo, if he, I think he went 5'12 from the free throw line,
Starting point is 00:58:22 so if he makes his free throws, you know, I think that kind of hurt them. But, I mean, man, they just don't have a lot of scoring over there, man. He has to do a whole lot. But it's going to be interesting. You know, they go back to Orlando. Orlando has a chance.
Starting point is 00:58:35 You said they're 8-1 at home. Under Jamal Mosley in postseason game. You know, so, you know, they still have a lot of confidence. I mean, this is Orlando team that we were high on that was looking like, you know, they're going to fire the coach and things were looking bad, and then they just turned it around. So, you know, it's a good opportunity right now for Orlando. But, I mean, you know, Detroit's been number one. Their defense has always been good all year.
Starting point is 00:58:58 So we just got to wait and see what happens. This is very interesting series right here. Magic, 16 for 30 from the free throw line in that game, 53%. Yeah. Hardly different making it. So that's why it's like, you know, if they make their free. That's what I'm saying. McCain, let's shift over the biggest takeaway from that Pistons.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Game 5 win, Kay Cunningham. Texas native putting the team on his back, 45 piece. Most in Pistons for instance. Dallas Native shit, ain't just from Texas. From Arlington. Yeah, no, them two young studs, man, going out and putting their team on their back. right
Starting point is 00:59:32 seasons on the line both ways you know Orlando trying to close Detroit out and Detroit trying not
Starting point is 00:59:40 to let their season in and those two guys showed why they were picked number one by
Starting point is 00:59:47 their respective franchises it was an excellent game to watch if you're a basketball fan
Starting point is 00:59:53 it was a good bump I expect the same in game six back in Orlando it's going to be
Starting point is 01:00:01 a game. Magic fans show up. It's going to be a rowdy environment. I hope the Pistons fans are, players are ready for that environment. Yeah, no, they're going to fight, man. They are the number one seed for a reason. They learned how to win during the regular season, tough games, tough situations, a lot of different situations in order to be the number one seed in the conference. So now it's just trying to put the, now it's time. to put those experiences all together, now the season on the line once again. And Orlando's going to do everything in their power to end it.
Starting point is 01:00:42 So great performance. It's going to need to be another tight performance from Kate. And to Brandon's point, man, I said the other day, he has to do entirely too much right now, right? But when he got it going, he got it going. Just on the days that it's not going as well, right? You're not getting to the line as much. Then what is what the problem the piss is run into.
Starting point is 01:01:12 But defense travels, energy travels. And, yeah, let's see. They were in a similar spot last year, playing in the garden, around the environment, younger team. So let's see how those experience helped them in this situation again. Both those teams thrive off physicality. When you look at Kay, Pissons franchise player, seems like the next in line in terms of the Nike guys
Starting point is 01:01:37 got his own signature shoe coming out soon. Would have made All-MBA if he would have qualified. Came a couple games short. But an average of 33 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds in this series, but also nearly seven turnovers per game. They got to do too much, man. Gussie performance like this back against the wall. Just like this all-M-B-A?
Starting point is 01:02:00 I don't believe he qualified. He didn't get the exemption? I thought he got it. Oh, what, did he? Yeah, he got the exemption. Because he was 64 games. He got the exemption. But yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Most of the guys who got the ball in their hand, man, a lot in this playoffs. They've been high turn. Hey, man didn't get in my battle. There's been high turnovers. James Harden, a lot of turnovers. Braun, a lot of turnovers. Kay, a lot of turnovers. Guys who are dominant ball handlers and decision makers for their team.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Nicola, a lot of turners. It's just unfortunate that that comes with it. If you lead your league and assists, your team in assists, you are more than likely going to lead that team in turnovers as well. That's just what it's been, right? So. I'm glad he's seeing Pablo like this, man.
Starting point is 01:02:49 He could change the narrative of his name in the series. I think what he's doing, I think this is where we've been wanting to see all. season. It's a match of nightmare for real for that four-spot, three-spot stuff. What's been the narrative on him? Nickname was P.B. No-J? Like, he never really... He's supposed to be an all-star. It's an all-star this year, right? How many years he been in? This is third and fourth year.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Three year? Three years? But he was supposed to be, I feel like he's supposed to be, like, on K level now. Because he's been to the playoffs, back-to-back. years too, lost first round, I think. Average 20, 22. It was an all-star two years ago. Yeah. Only played 46 games last season came back. And this year, I feel like they just like, I don't know, Houston. I mean, Orlando wasn't supposed to be eight. No, it wasn't healthy at all, once again.
Starting point is 01:03:45 Hmm. Yeah. Best two players missing time, though, you know you don't know what your identity is. That's what I'm saying. Well, I think the Pistons biggest thing, this, whatever happens in this series where they move on, I mean, they still need to go get a scorer next year. They need a for sure scorer who can put the ball in the room. What type of? Do you want to take that much, like, he's still going to be like Luca with the ball, though. Listen, I mean, I don't know how they can work it out, but, I mean, you need a Devin Booker type guy.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Like, you need somebody that can score that can put that thing in the hoop. Who don't need, who can be a catch-and-shoot? You can go get a bucket with a one-on-one situation, but it's an excellent catching-shoe guy. And I think Devin-Booka fits that. Yeah, and Kay passes the ball. So it's not like it's a sister goal. You know what I'm saying? It's not like he's just coming down like he plays.
Starting point is 01:04:38 So it's like, yo, he's looking. So it's like a guy like- I don't think K'd need to average 25. I think he only averaging what he's averaging because they need him to, right? But do you, him, I think it's a sister- Do he want to become a number two?
Starting point is 01:04:53 These are two guys, these are two guys, I feel like. Who would be a number two? Booker, I feel like. There's still number one. Like, these are two guys. These are two guys who are going to be playing on the USA team. Yeah, that's a different role. Skills that still need it.
Starting point is 01:05:07 Like, in order to win, in order to be successful, we still need Devin Booker to be the best Devin Booker. We don't need you to take a back seat. Like, if this situation, like, we don't need you to take a back seat. But somebody at that talent. Just like Braun and DeWade, like, no, we still need you to be fucking D-Waid. Like, we don't win if you ain't D-Waid. They don't win nothing if Devin Booker show up and he wanted to take, oh, I'm a number two now,
Starting point is 01:05:30 Like, no, we need you to come out Mello and AI, the average fucking 27. Like, I'm saying? Like, ain't no. Because listen. It's hard to find Clay's and, what if they don't make it, Trayby? Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:43 I mean, I mean, I'm just saying something. So would it like an AR? Matt Ishpia came out today. He said, like an AR. Not trading Devin'Bucker. Say what? Would like an AR fit them? He'll ball stop.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Austin Reed. His ballstopper. I think they need that too, though. I don't know. I mean, I mean, see what D. He don't, he don't. He can, he could, they kind of, I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, one thing they're not going to lose is their defense.
Starting point is 01:06:07 Yeah. So, so that's why I said, like, you just need to find a guy who just come out there to score. Because I think the book tries defensively. Yeah. He tries defensively. I mean, he deep books. Like exactly. Say it again.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Exactly. How many? Yes. Like a Zach Levine. Like, a dude who can put them all in the bag. Absolutely. Athletic and consens. Well, he ain't got to be number one or number two.
Starting point is 01:06:28 Listen, you don't. Hey, absolutely. I'm trying to find a guy like that. Zach Levine. And yes to Zach Levine, absolutely. To fit that situation. I'm saying in Detroit. Ball stoppers.
Starting point is 01:06:41 No, he's a guy. Catch a shoe guy. Catch a shoe guy. He is not no. Zach a better catch a shoe guy. But something, we need to find a score. Yeah, I like Zach Levine. They got to find a score, though.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Yeah. But like somebody that could put that thing in a hoop and that can take the pressure off K. Because you could, I mean, and then I don't know if you could keep Tobias, But Tobias is 15 or 20. I was sticking to the same team before I do that. Damar?
Starting point is 01:07:05 Of course, you get your bucket. I mean. I'm just saying somebody alone. Look, who you go get your bucket? Yeah, yeah. Like, we just need a bucket. You know for a fact that DeMard de Rose is what he is going to bring to the table is that. I don't know for that team.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Yeah, but somebody, I don't, let's somebody of that nature. Zach Levine, DeMarr. Man, wait, this, but this sound crazy. Y'all said no to A.R. And y'all said, Zach Levine and DeMarrault. If I'm picked, I'll pick those guys over him. I mean, I don't, I mean, let's see.
Starting point is 01:07:39 He got a lot of Zach over AR. Right now in that career. Fuck yeah. They all take some god-off of fucking shots, bro. I can't. And Zach Levine don't either. Not like that. Not like that.
Starting point is 01:07:52 One-legged shit. He's been on some bad teams. Had to. The Detroit team, I mean, Chicago team, Sacramento wasn't the best team. Who else is out there? There's some people out there. There's some people out there are going to be phrased.
Starting point is 01:08:02 You've got to, you got to. Trust me, somebody that's going to pop up, somebody that's playing well you don't expect. Do you're like, oh, shit? Yeah, but they definitely need. Yeah, they need a score. They need some help. Yeah, because they're doing it, like,
Starting point is 01:08:15 it's a regular season thing. Yeah, like, I don't know what he own. Oh, you know what he own, but, I mean, yeah. He ain't doing what they own. Not at all. So if he even can't catch lives now, and you put the more at that elbow, packing the paint for it.
Starting point is 01:08:32 He can't get no moves. He can't. Now, that's what I'm saying, because the painting is, you can't. He just ain't got no moves. So it's going to make it more crowded when you got the more in that mid-range. Yeah, Cam Thomas, somebody that can score. Come off the bench. I'm just saying, you can get them for cheap.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Just come off the minute. There's somebody that can score. You need a bucket. Like, I mean, you can get Cam Thomas for the low right now. Just come off the bench. Because they've been scoring is. Oh, good. You do need score.
Starting point is 01:09:05 I'm just... You do need that six-man, too. You got to worry about stars before you get to a six-man. But that you can go get... That's pretty all they need. You got to worry about the first five. I feel like if they had... I don't even know if Chris Millington was held...
Starting point is 01:09:22 What's their six-man last year? But if he was... But I don't think he'll go back there. It's Tobias. What was they six-man last year? Who's six-man? Detroit. They had a six-man.
Starting point is 01:09:32 man of the year. Then you go home? Oh, yeah, that shit. I'm about to say, what happened to him? Wait, Jay, Nyby? It's Mike, Michael Beezley. What the... Malik Beasley?
Starting point is 01:09:45 Malik Beasley. What he's six man of the year? I don't think so. No. He was, I promise you. Bain Pitcher was last year and Knowsby was 22. He didn't win an award.
Starting point is 01:09:54 He probably was on the list. He didn't win it. Oh, I swear, I thought he won him. How much he average? 17 or something like that? Couldn't tell you. He was balling. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:10:05 I don't know. But yeah, they would need some help, but, no, Detroit go, they still got life. Yeah, no, they still got life, but they. I'm just saying moving forward, though, they're going to. Yeah, they're going to do that. He finished second. Oh, about I said, I knew for something. Yeah, definitely some help.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Moving forward. Mm-hmm. Got to do too much. Mm-hmm. So I feel like Magic, obviously three, two lead going back home. Magic got a nice thing. Great place. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:35 In a very good spot. Magic going three home, my man John Hammond. Not expected to be. All right. So is the coach going to be able to stay if they win? So they report Jamal Mosy regardless of what happened in this. I remember that. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:10:48 So if Magic's win, is he staying? He up his chances, I would hope. I mean, I mean, listen, if it ain't there, it's going to be somewhere. Somewhere. Because, listen, if he get out this first round and then they play. And they fire. him? That's crazy. That's what I'm saying. It looks crazy. But you went from the playing game to eighth to beating the first seed and now I got to go?
Starting point is 01:11:10 Yeah. That looks crazy. That's what I'm saying. That looks crazy. But they won't be, won't have a job for long. Like it'll be howly syside, sought out. Man. I just don't know how you can make those. It's like you can say those things. Yeah, right. Still ain't played the games yet. Unless it's really personal, unless it's something personal. I saw the Knicks make an Eastern Conference Finals last year and Tim's got the boot, so I'm just saying it's not... They have something on their mind. It's not...
Starting point is 01:11:36 Yeah. Anything short of a chance. I mean, but they would see, what, Toronto or Cleveland X? Yeah. I mean, listen, he could be seeing this. Same situation. I'm about to say, he's going to be at the H. He's going to be in the conference finals.
Starting point is 01:11:51 The same situation, right? One of them to you. Well, speaking of not trusting those scenes, let's talk about those scenes that we don't trust a little bit. So, Cavs took the first two games. at their crib against the Raptors appeared to be headed towards the suite.
Starting point is 01:12:06 Toronto responded with two big wins on their home floor, got a 22.1 in game three and hung on to win game four by four points. Series shifted back to Cleveland for a pivotal game five. So Raptors in control of this game early, took a seven-point lead into the break. They were without
Starting point is 01:12:22 Brandon Ingram for most of this one, and Ingram has been struggling during this series, but he left the game with right heel inflammation in the second quarter and did not return. We pick up the action in the second half. of the game. So Raptors extended their lead to double digits in the third quarter, but the calves started clawing back. James Harden and Evan Mobley each had 23 and nine rebounds going and combined 15 for 28 from the field.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Donovan Mitchell added 19 and five boards while Dennis Schrooter was a spark off the bench in this one. Schroeder had 18 points in the first four games of this series, but scored 11 of his 19 points in this game in the fourth quarter. RJ Barrett led Toronto with a team high 25 points while Jacoby Walker added 20, Jamal Shed had 18 off the bench. Scotty Barnes had 17 points in the game, but just three in the second half. So Cavs went on a 13-0 run between the end of the third and start of the fourth quarter to take control of the game. As the Raptors' offense went cold, missing their first 11 shot attempts in the final frame. Toronto, seven for 28 from the field in the fourth quarter, while the Cavs hit seven of their first 11 shot. in the final frame, finished 9 of 19 in the quarter.
Starting point is 01:13:31 This was the Cavs first playoff win when trailing entering the fourth quarter since game one of the Eastern Conference Finals in 2018, snapping a streak of 22 straight losses when trailing entering the fourth quarter. So I have not talked a lot about this series. It's kind of boring. It is boring. The Cleveland Cavs. The Cleveland Cavs. I feel like...
Starting point is 01:13:58 It's always one of those series that kind of like, like, oh, like, Yeah. Like, yeah. Caff fans are watching this, Mr. B? But I feel like the calves could make a statement game six, or they could be, you know, James Harden Chokes again, game seven type things. So it's up to them. They got a lot of win on the road, I feel like.
Starting point is 01:14:24 Mm. Neither team won a road game yet in this series. That seems to be the Cavs M.O in recent years. But you're talking about my team that was first in the East last year, 64 and 18. They were 52 and 30 this year. Obviously, made that move with the deadline to bring James Hardin. You don't want to go game seven.
Starting point is 01:14:45 But players like that, James in another game seven, if he lose that... They go to Toronto now, team hobbled by injury. Obviously, Brandon Ingram, less than stellar throughout this series. But do you guys still think the Cavs have an outdoor? I don't say be a dark horse in this playoffs, but it seems like things are pretty wide open right now If they can't make it to the second round. I mean, I don't see none of these teams that's in this series doing anything after this is going to be a hard fought battle But shout out to Dennis Ruder and Mowbly. I mean they kind of won the game for them in that fourth quarter
Starting point is 01:15:26 Scotty Barnes is struggling in room got hurt You know game six is coming up but I I see this going to on seven in Toronto and Toronto winning in seven. Mm-hmm. I don't see that. You see that? Yeah. I see the Cavs in game six.
Starting point is 01:15:42 No. I like Stroller, man. Stroller don't get enough credit, bro. He does something. He does something. He had 11 points in that four if he was hooping. I feel like the Pistons miss him too, though. Struller does a lot of good things for teams, bro.
Starting point is 01:15:55 He's over there. He said, I forgot he was over there. Yeah, remember, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kenyon Schiff, for you thinking about the Cavs getting game five win and the most entertaining playoff series so far this post is. The way the game was going, I thought they were going to still be tow at home, but they
Starting point is 01:16:19 are playing Cleveland, Toronto, which, yeah, they were going to find a way to lose it. And Cleveland played well down the stretch. the shooter played well down the stretch made some big plays. Yeah, no, this series will go seven. Cleveland won't on their home floor. Each team going to win on their home floor. I don't think, it's one of them series. That's a bad thing, though.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Yeah, one of them series. Not one of them series with other teams. Can't win on the road. We've seen it before. It's going always be that. Even with some type of veteran players? They lost about 22. I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:17:02 Can't win on a road, but that ain't that a problem? Right. That's what I'm saying. Is that a problem? That's what I'm saying. So whoever gets in the lead for years. Yeah. But that's just on them to.
Starting point is 01:17:13 I mean, whoever played next round, whoever you're playing next round, they won on the road already. I think that's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't win on the road. I'm second round. Let's get this motherfuckers out of here. They go in and get one.
Starting point is 01:17:24 If they go on and get this one, like if they go on and get this one, this is the toughest one to get because they're trying to close them out, right? They're going to get this one. All right, I might change my, okay, you showed me something. But before I just... That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:17:37 They can make a statement in game six. Yeah, yeah, they go in and they get game six. Yeah. All right, okay, I will... I'll raise an eyebrow. Yeah. But Toronto's not, they're not bad. They like the Atlanta Hawks to me.
Starting point is 01:17:52 Can't shoot. But they play long, athletic, play defense. Yeah, they do all those things. And that's a match-up problem for a D-Mexam. I feel like, and James, I'm like tall along. I agree. I agree. And that's why I think, but still, playing at home, playing on the road, play out, they just, they're going to win at home, take your home, Florida.
Starting point is 01:18:12 That's all Cleveland has to do. They don't, I understand God, you, they don't have to win in Toronto, but. Right. No better time than the next game to go in there and get game six. I'm saying. Damn. It's going to be tough, but, hey, if you can do it. I'm going to say, because Toronto will be crack.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Toronto will be loud. To the next point. Change your identity. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Change what people think about you. It's an opportunity. Another opportunity. Another opportunity for you.
Starting point is 01:18:36 Toronto's tough, too, though. It's going to be loud in there. They're going to play hard. But B.I., like Brennan-Ir made me playing well throughout the series, so I don't know if this is an ongoing thing that he got going on with his heel, but he hasn't played well throughout the series.
Starting point is 01:18:51 So if he's available or not, I don't think it makes a difference right now the way the team has been playing. We'll see. But I just think that it's going seven. Yeah, man, Drake gonna be there. Took your home. Ice style chairs.
Starting point is 01:19:08 You don't go to Toronto no more? Huh? You don't go to Toronto no more? No. I've had my run. No, Drake told me to tell you. Call him. Oh, come out for Iceman?
Starting point is 01:19:23 Yeah, he said, you want your Iceman. You go beat on the sculpture? See what's in there. You're giving out money? You know, you'll fly for that bag. All right, well. No, he had a Packer's jersey on the jacket on. I don't fuck with that, man.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Well, let's keep this thing moving. Shift back to the Western Conference. Thunder continued their first round dominance as was late. Sweeping the Suns Monday with an average margin of victory of 17 points per game in the series. Third straight season, OKC has swept their first round opponent. SGA was dominant throughout the series, particularly in the final three games, where he averaged 37 points and eight assists on 63, 42, 91 splits. Since March 18th, SGA has missed exactly one field goal in the fourth quarter and overtime going to 15 for 16 in that stretch.
Starting point is 01:20:16 So when you look at what's going on here, we're going to talk a lot about the Thunder in that series just because we knew what was going to happen. It was a, you know, it was a stubborn tone to the second round. But Mr. B. will start with you. How impressive were SGA and the Thunder in their sweep over the suns? I mean, the writer was on the wall. I mean, they're not going to get challenged to like the Western Conference finals. to me. So right now they're just, you know, they're just taking a game by game. This is a team who's shown last year that they were serious. They're showing it again that they're serious
Starting point is 01:20:49 this year. SGA is up in his game. You know, without J-dub, you know, they were still number one this year. His production points and everything has went up. So to me, you know, they were just, you know, it wasn't even really a match-up with Phoenix. You know, they just doubled, D-Book took him out the game and basically said everybody else around you got to beat us. But right now, yeah, man, right now they're just chilling to me, OKC just telling to the Western Conference Finals, man.
Starting point is 01:21:19 No matter who wins that Houston Lakers game, it don't matter. Like, they're just chilling to the Western Conference Finals and then they'll be challenged. So can you shift over to you when you look at Escha and this Thunder Squad? What they've been able to do, not even just these, but the past three seasons, obviously defending champions coming in. smacking the sons the way they did.
Starting point is 01:21:42 Yeah, I think the first year was a learning experience for them, coming back last year and winning it. I think them learning what each round takes, what each game in the playoff takes. I think they have that understanding now. Yeah, and for you to go out and be as dominant as you have been all season in the first round, it says a lot about your mind state,
Starting point is 01:22:10 where you are as a team and what your goal is, right? You're trying to get the 16 wins, man. It's just what it is. And you can tell the way they play. Yeah, no, it's and then doing it without their second best player. He's been in and out of the lineup all year
Starting point is 01:22:27 so they understand how to win without him. And the more winning they do, the better chances are to get him back and to continue to try to repeat. I think they're heading the right direction. It was a bad matchup for Phoenix. You don't have any bigs. They have two really, really good bigs in Chet and Azale Hardenstein.
Starting point is 01:22:52 They have two really good bigs. And what Phoenix does well is perimeter scoring. And Oklahoma City wing defenders are elite. With putting two on Devin Booker, making Jalen Green work for every shot, making Dylan Brooks work for every shot as a recipe for winning, right? You're taking the ball out there, best players' hand, and Devin Booker and making other guys play one-on-one. And we saw a game-in, game out.
Starting point is 01:23:27 When you beat a team by average of 17, yeah, you're putting a belt to ass. And to Brandon's point, he just made the second round. It would be the same, no matter who gets out of the Lakers Houston series. It'll be some more of the same. You understand how to win right now, man. They're not going to relax. Like, in defense, like I've been saying defense travels, and I think they have been one of the more elite defensive teams
Starting point is 01:23:58 of last few seasons, and they show it this time of year. Once you figure out how to win in the playoffs, man, it's a repeat thing, right? Right? Let's go out and try to repeat the things that we did well in order to get to that point. I think they're doing that once again. And it's going to continue the second round,
Starting point is 01:24:17 whoever the unfortunate victim is going to be. I think we don't give, I think people don't give SGA the credit of how dominant he is, you know, because he's not loud or big. You know, but what he does, he's a silent assassin. And he takes over teams. 4-0 suite. Not talking about it.
Starting point is 01:24:46 They appear chilling. It's crazy to see where he started at, where he's at now. Okay, so he's just a team. It's not just a team with a great school, or they all play well. They play together. They like each other. They're doing the right things.
Starting point is 01:25:04 That's tough to beat. that's tough to be. And with your leader on the same page, I feel like it's going through O.K.C. for me. Yeah. Yeah, they are, they're a complete team, man. With or without J. Dub, they are a hell of a team, right?
Starting point is 01:25:29 Because they got a lot of guys that can feel that void, man. They're ready to fill that voice. Yeah, they're ready. They can and they can and they're ready to, right? This is my opportunity to show you, Show the world what I can do. And J. W.N. L. Because they can't, hey, in their mind, shit, they can't pay all of us.
Starting point is 01:25:45 And that's right. So we've got to keep our value house. So we got, hey, they can't pay all of us. But that's the thing. You look at the camaraderie, the brotherhood that this squad has. But eventually, if you want to them do is on the band, I think of the A.J. Mitchell's over the world. I'm out here bawling.
Starting point is 01:25:58 Yeah, my bank account. Eventually, like, hey. I like when the rings are. Hey, the way my bank account set up, hey, I like y'all. But, hey, I'm, hey, I'm, hey, give my two rings. I can see y'all. I can see y'all get to it and I don't go get my bag. You don't see that, though.
Starting point is 01:26:12 You don't even see it on the court, though. He can be thinking it. I know he's thinking of it. Of course you are. You ain't working this. You're working that hard to win for sure, but you're working that hard for your individual success. Yeah, it's like, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:26:25 I got my ring, but I work this hard. Both things are parallel, right? Both things are simultaneously happening, right? I'm working this hard so I can get on the floor and help us win so we can get another ring. They pay Chet They pay J Dube They paid Azele
Starting point is 01:26:42 They paid Shay Hey I know Hey I'm averaging 15 over here And I'm number five Yeah I go somewhere else My 15 is
Starting point is 01:26:54 My 15 is 22 Isn't that because people don't talk about O'CCC That's why they don't have that much drama No I just think they do a good job In drafting guys And guys buying in to what they are doing
Starting point is 01:27:06 And then whatever drama they have they just better at keeping it closed in. I don't even think it's nothing. I'm not going to say whatever it is. You know, in the bullshit. I think everybody know they role. Everybody know they role, right? That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:27:18 When you know your role, they do a good job putting guys and knowing what, this is what it's going to be. When you're not expecting to do, there's no room for it, I don't think. But we know what Shay brings to it. We know what he's all NBA, MVP caliber. We already know this. nobody we understand our skillset but we're not there yet
Starting point is 01:27:41 so there's no pecking order over there like oh from after she yeah there's no but I feel like they was trying to make that like with Jayland in the finals they're trying to give them finals MVP no Jay that played great he did but we would
Starting point is 01:28:01 like the car that ran that engine we we know what it is yeah you know what the bridge is right Jay But could that mess them up, like when J. Doug coming back and... No. Wethercull was balling. His average is 17. I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:28:17 And you go back to the bench. That's hard for anybody. I don't think so. I think because there was his role already. It ain't messed up Boston and the... Right. I just think because there's his role already. Tatum and Brown.
Starting point is 01:28:27 It ain't messed them up. And I can see them being very commutative over there, right, with the guys, right? I can see them. I don't know who was taking Jason Taylor's spot in that lineup. that line up. No, no, no, I'm saying, like you said if J. Doug would have got finals MVP over SGA. No, I'm talking about when Jay Doug was
Starting point is 01:28:44 out, Mitchell was balling. And he went right back to the bench. It's like you start that road back. You go back to bed. But that's what I'm saying. You didn't even see, I didn't see the conflict after that. Like, that's it took a toll on some people.
Starting point is 01:29:00 It took a toll on some people. But if we've had a winning recipe doing it this way, right we've been whooping ass and kicking and taking names doing it this way not gonna be the asshole interrupted right you like you're gonna look crazy and we win it and we're gonna tell you know we win it first and foremost you're gonna look crazy and from averaging 17 he first 23 games yeah great yeah it's it's looking like the same and then I go back to because it's three shots that that's that's fucked up
Starting point is 01:29:36 You was getting three shots before them, the 21 games, right? You stayed right. Now you got that on your resume that 23 games, look what I've done, right? And then I come back, right? And then we win another champion. So now I'm showing that,
Starting point is 01:29:49 you can put me in any situation. Remember, I'm trying to be in a league forever. Because if they're not going to have the money to pay me, at least my value is high than else. They're not going to have the money to pay. So now I can go get that 80, whatever, 90, whatever, from somewhere else. Yes, 17.
Starting point is 01:30:02 With two rings. With two rings, though. All my resume. You know they're picking up the phone call and saying I'm pressing them like, hey, what's up with Wiggins? How is this attitude when he's, how is these things? How is it? And you know it ain't going to be done but high praise.
Starting point is 01:30:17 That's another fucking 15 million, right? Man, just because you're a good dude, a good locker room dude. You ain't causing no problem, no riffraff. You show up, you do your job, you work. And now that's a tough. That would be tough for me or anybody. I know I wouldn't go crazy, but I'm just saying situations like that. No, KC, they handled it well, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:30:39 I'm being honest with you. I wouldn't give it down because if we win it, I'm about to get paid anyway. You already saw what I could do. So me being mad and we're about to go back, I can't even strip running. Let me just, this is when they tell you, just be still and just let it happen.
Starting point is 01:30:52 And just let it happen. Or somebody come up until you want to, Hey, hey, man, you're doing too much, bro. 17. Right, you don't want to get the, hey, man, you're doing too much. How many years is he is? 17, be 23 and 1.
Starting point is 01:31:05 You come back. I'm 10. So you got Mitchell, Wiggins, Joe, all of them. The team is different than 9. Wallace. Right? Yeah. This is second season.
Starting point is 01:31:17 I'm saying them four, right? Second season? And you're about to get two rings? So average seven, first is first in 14 this year. Cool. Oh, he's paid. Oh, he's about to get paid. Minutes are about 10 minutes.
Starting point is 01:31:27 I'm just saying like, like. Them four dudes, they can't keep all, they can't keep them four. Wallace, Wiggins, Joe. Who else did I say? So you got Isaiah, you got the Joe kid, Wiggins Wallace, Dort Caruso. I'm just saying the money would be different. You can't keep all of them. That's six.
Starting point is 01:31:52 Money would be different. You're talking about this summer, it would be for him. And they got Jeremy. I forgot about McCain over there. He's on the rookie deal still. So they got, like, listen, all of them dudes are going to get paid, bro. The only one Yeah
Starting point is 01:32:08 Yeah Yeah You all can score Y'all can play But Okay, see Man They play with house money
Starting point is 01:32:14 Man That's crazy And guess what they're Fing to get this year Top 13 pick Because Can they get the flippus Pick
Starting point is 01:32:24 So guess what they go They're playing with house money man They didn't They didn't Hit a lick And they are running with it
Starting point is 01:32:37 Yeah. Yeah. Good management, good coaching, good players, equal goddamn winning. Oh yeah, that's like the Spurs do vessel. That went from averaging 22 to six men of the year. Do you think this crew of OKC is bigger than the OKC crew? Better? Better?
Starting point is 01:33:01 Bigger or better? Not more popular, no. I'm not going to say better. They're not better. You don't think that they're better? Look, I love the KD Russ Hardin Thunder Squad, but I don't think that I think this team was smack them. You think you think this team were SBA and then were just like I was dropped in this time. Man, they was battling Kobe.
Starting point is 01:33:25 I'm about the time. They was going through the, they had to go through the trenches. Like this squad. They caught San Antonio. They're going through a trench. They were dropped in this time. And I love that team. One of my favorite basketball teams crews from back.
Starting point is 01:33:40 those days and we talked about this before the show. And I've said this before on the show. For some reason, this OKC Thunder Squad just don't seem, and they are. They check all the boxes. They should feel that way, but they don't feel as exciting as that old. But the only thing is, it's the biggs for me. Right? The bigs
Starting point is 01:33:56 on that OKC team. Surge? After that. And then who else? Nick Collison, Kendrick Perkins. Surge. Did they have Jeff Green over there? He's not a big. If you were.
Starting point is 01:34:10 He was a pop board and I think they went on the team. I don't know if he was on the team or not. Okay. Okay. I said after that. Shit, you can line up. Was it Adam? Stephen Adams?
Starting point is 01:34:22 He came late. Steven Adams and Hockerstein or whatever. Ain't that far off now. I'm just, yeah. I know it sounds blasphemous and crazy, but I'm just like this crew. His chest face the floor. I said Harkstine gives you more. Pats and rebounder.
Starting point is 01:34:41 KD can guard chat. Yeah, I'm about to say. But I'm just, but after that, it's... Russ. It's close. Wow. So what that, Cephalotia? Selfilo?
Starting point is 01:34:52 Yeah, defender. Defend? I mean, they got to the finals, dog. They just ran it to the boys. Who else? Like, this team is about the... Reggie Jackson. Yeah, Reggie Jackson.
Starting point is 01:35:02 Yeah, he could score. A bucket. It's close, though. Yeah. It's closer than we think. Eric Mayer. Yeah, they have some guys. They had a squad, man.
Starting point is 01:35:11 So this is my, like, James was six men of the year, right? Yes. Was he that James Harden then? Like the James, who went to Houston took over and was like, was he? No, but he was James, no, but he was James Harder in those minutes. So those minutes alone, just let everybody know, just give this motherfucker, 40 minutes, we don't see what it's going to do. So it was like, it was just there, but it's like, all right, I got to chill because, you know.
Starting point is 01:35:38 But it's here, though, if y'all want to get, you know. You want to get crazy. He was trying to dyes. Absolutely. So that's just how I look at it. I dig it. And then those three guys all became megastars too at their own way. So it's kind of like.
Starting point is 01:35:51 Yeah. Yeah. That's why. Three league MVP? Like three league MVPs came from one team and it's kind of like, I still think that team is better, but this team is doing their own justice in their own way. There's more together. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They put, they built this team around what, around Shea. Right? They built this team around Shays. setting attributes and doing an excellent job at that, right? Them dudes, they was like the best available player, goddammy, right here, we picking.
Starting point is 01:36:21 He was the best available. He came from Seattle, Russell was the best available. So they... It might be 50. Because now that you're talking about his leadership, I think his leadership might be the reason why they better than him. She's leadership-wise. Because who was the leader there for them?
Starting point is 01:36:39 Kempicel. I would say chemistry. Okay, see. So, and then, but your best player is the leader and they move how he moves. So it's like, I don't know. It's kind of. You said different personalities with K.D. and Russ, obviously. And they fighting over. They both thought they were the guy. I'm not going to say neither one of them
Starting point is 01:36:55 was wrong. I don't know. That's a good, I don't know. We got to ask the chat that. Who do they think? Not the best performance from the chat today, Mr. B. Court chat. Maybe doing other things today. We got a lot of infiltrators now. Okay. Okay. Coming and spreading. Negativity.
Starting point is 01:37:10 But they're talking about Chalekis? No. Just, you know, don't like the chat attitude today. Can't I just say that? Don't like where your heads are at today. Most of y'all, for our mainstays that are always here, we appreciate you guys. Seems like we have some dissenters that have some time off today. Not reals, the chattors.
Starting point is 01:37:27 The chat confused just like everybody. Trying to figure it out. It's so empty. So we look at SGA, been on elite run. Can they write just like that looks like I look to my right. Tap on the shoulder, time. Some of y'all are going to get tapped on the shoulder in the chat. No, I'm just kidding.
Starting point is 01:37:44 SJ's been on an elite run in the last four seasons. Going to make his fourth straight first-office first-all-N-A will likely win his second straight MVP after becoming the fourth player ever to win a scoring title MVP and finals MVP in the same season last year. First to win the Western Conference Finals MVP, in case you care.
Starting point is 01:38:00 This was his fourth straight season averaging 30 points per game on 50% shooting. See that can face. Why you always talk about the Biggs? You should have just said what you wanted to say about Nick Collison. What? No, Nick was serviceable. Nick did his job, but he wasn't shooting the ball from the perimeter like Chet and Kendrick Perkins.
Starting point is 01:38:22 It's not act like Sergio Baca developed the 15-17-foot jump shot. Then he started shooting threes later. But don't act like them Biggs was fucking knocking it out the park. That's why I was like just saying. Nick, no, they retired Nick Jersey. The Biggs, though, I was like, yeah, they retired. Trying to fight, I said Stephen Adam. So the Williams kid who come off the bench for Oklahoma City, he shoot the shit out the ball from the perimeter.
Starting point is 01:38:48 The big kid, he shoot the ball well from the perimeter. Chet shoot the ball well from the perimeter. Hartstein do what he do. And I just look at what the Biggs did Oklahoma City. It wasn't like they were. Then none of them averaged, I'm saying, Serge would average what? Low teams on that team? You wasn't getting much out of the other
Starting point is 01:39:10 far as scoring It's facts No, you're right I played a little truck I paid against the team like I ain't making it up That team was crazy I knew the scouting report I knew when I got my motherfuckettling
Starting point is 01:39:28 report and it said can you guard KD Like I didn't I don't know I wasn't it wasn't I had to guard the big. I'm just, facts,
Starting point is 01:39:42 bro. They ain't saying that dudes had good careers. Yeah, absolutely. But what Chet does, I think,
Starting point is 01:39:51 is... You don't be a difference maker. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's all. And the defensive player of your conversation
Starting point is 01:40:00 started to get it together offensively as well. Not shitting on nobody career. Never lost a first-row playoff game. Well, not. Not them two, these. Not them two. But like I said, talk to SGA real quick.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Elite run last four seasons, four straight first team all-NBAs. MVP championship last year. We're going to get his second straight MVP this year if the Square Media does what we know that they will do. Man. Four straight season averaging 30 points per game on 50% shooting, one shy of MJ for the most in league history, the Michael Jordan. So you look at what SGA is done in this stretch
Starting point is 01:40:43 and with the potential with this window with this Thunder Squad. How far is SGA from being in the conversation amongst the greatest guards in NBA history? Is it time to start thinking about that? Yeah, it's time. I'm glad we're talking about this because if he does what he did last year and does the same thing this season,
Starting point is 01:41:03 it's going to be some uncomfortable conversations for a lot of guards. We're just talking about the guards, not just point guards, guards. When we're talking about the Michael Jordans, the Kobe Bryant's, the Steph Currys, all these guys that are top guards, if he does what he did last year, he has to be in a conversation, top ten, for sure. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:41:26 That's why I said that. That's my eye. I'm like, you said top ten. I mean, I mean, because he's still going. Okay, I'll give you. But like, you know, top five, top ten. I go to here. Go to it.
Starting point is 01:41:35 I'm going here softly. No, no, no. No, but... I mean, top five, top ten, I mean... It's not the same. Yeah. Okay, well, top five. Guard?
Starting point is 01:41:45 Yeah, I'm going to say, go there. Guards to ever lace them up? Right now, he's... Top five? Mike, Cole... And then who else? And then who else after that? Mike, Cole...
Starting point is 01:41:58 As far as what? Basketball? We're talking about hoopers? Yeah, we're talking about just guards. Just the guard, from point guard to small four. Not the... I mean, point guard to shooting guard. Okay, just guards. Yeah, just guard, not the pot, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, top, top, top, top, top, top.
Starting point is 01:42:13 Like, in that, if he does this again, like, so. So, you're saying, if he sweeps again, he, well, well, if he sweeps again. Yeah, yes. Finals MVP. Yes, he's got to be in the top, top, top ten, top, top, top, top, top, top ten of guards, and then point guards, he's for sure in the top five. He's getting Isaiah Thomas out of here. Nah. If he does it again?
Starting point is 01:42:34 Because the thing, no, no, so you can't do that. Yeah, I, because the, because the war is. The wars and all that shit didn't exist. Yo, but I'm league MVP as a point guard, though. I'm league MVP and I'm averaging 30. I hear you. I got to be knocking on that door. Okay, knocking on it and getting somebody out of there.
Starting point is 01:42:49 What? What? Knocking on the door and getting somebody out of there? Two separate things. How long do it take for him to get rid of, like, the thefts and magic? Whoa, whoa, whoa. If he does it, like, two more time. What could I like two more time?
Starting point is 01:43:04 That's what I'm saying? How long do it? That's why I asked. How long, how much do he got to do? We don't know, but the conversation. Listen, the conversation starts. If he sweet back to back, I don't think Steph did that. No, Steph didn't do that.
Starting point is 01:43:15 Isaiah Thompson did that. But he never won finals MVP, MVP. I wonder, why is that? And the championship. Did he want NBA twice? He won't MVP back to back, though. Did he have a- He won?
Starting point is 01:43:26 He won, but he never won. Did he have a Kevin Durant? MVP. Did he have a Kevin Durant? No. So therefore, that's what I'm saying. Steph had Kevin Durant over there. So that's not
Starting point is 01:43:37 He don't have that But that's the First of MVP Unanimityity By year That's not like Like that trophy That Iigodala guy
Starting point is 01:43:45 At home is In his rightful fucking place Well earned it That's what it is Stronger That's what that's The same The same crew of people
Starting point is 01:43:52 That vote finals Even after 30 The last four years I'm winning I ain't taking All done off his plate I gave you top 10 I think the conversation
Starting point is 01:44:00 Part as guards It needs to be had Give you top 10 If that's if If you're doing if Can y'all name five guards that ever played this game? Yes. He's good.
Starting point is 01:44:09 He's better. John Stockton. Wait, wait, wait. Jason, kid. Wait, wait, wait. John Stockton, Jason Kidd. They're better than SGA. No.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Who? And what they did? Not to me. Not to you. After what they did? Yeah. As a point guard? Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:44:27 John Stockton all time and the assistant Steve? No, for sure, for sure. Jason Kidd. Top Fifee all time. Magic Johnson. Absolutely. But he's over them now. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:34 Stocking ain't doing with... He's overstocked and kid. Yeah, no. No, he ain't there yet. Yeah. It's magic... He's got one championship. He got one championship.
Starting point is 01:44:42 He's got on Magic and Steph here. It's Magic. And then I'm putting the question mark with SGA to see what happens this show. So Oscar was a point guard. You do know that, right? Yeah. Triple double one time.
Starting point is 01:44:53 One time? MVP, right? Still did it? Still got to put him in the conversation. Cincinnati, he didn't... Still got to put him in the conversation. He didn't it? Russ.
Starting point is 01:45:00 Russ? Absolutely. But I'm just saying this guy is getting it done. at every level. MVP? Kyrie? He passed. Karee.
Starting point is 01:45:08 MVP, all this stuff. I'm just saying, he's saying, name, point. I'm giving you guys. No, no, guards. No, no. I want to go guards. Yeah, I want to go guards.
Starting point is 01:45:15 So we got Michael. So we got Michael, so we got Michael Kobe. You got Dway. Huh? Dway, James. Dway, James Hardin. And it's really, I mean, you consider actually a point. He's just saying guard.
Starting point is 01:45:26 I'm just saying guard. I think he's going to be in the conversation. He's going to be in the conversation. He's better than AI. No. S.J. better than I don't know. He's better than all these guys. So you want to count accolades.
Starting point is 01:45:39 You want to count accolades. Hell yeah, this is what it's about. This is why I'm here. 30 at night and I'm getting it done. If he does it again, then what? What are we talking about? Let me score the title Chuck got? Come on here.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Huh? I got a finals MVP. Okay. I got an MVP, a Western Conference and end. That don't mean he better, me. And I'm about to do it again. That don't mean you better, guys.
Starting point is 01:45:59 I'm knocking on the door. That don't mean you better than him. Knocking on the door and replacing him. I mean, AI four-time scoring champ, but SGA much more efficient score than how I can say that. And I'm getting it done. You can't say that. SGA is better than a lot of guys, man. I'm telling you.
Starting point is 01:46:14 I'm not, okay, cool. Better than a lot of guys? Okay, yes. Better than the guys that we're naming. I'm not giving him that. You got to let it happen. You got to let it happen. It's happening.
Starting point is 01:46:24 He's about to get MVP this year. It's happening. You don't know that. You got to let it happen. Okay. All right. Well, when it happens, I'm just letting you know. Okay.
Starting point is 01:46:32 Well, we got to see it. But he's knocking on that door of being a top five guard. He's number one in the NBA right now? Huh? Is he number one in the NBA right now? Yes, as a guy. Yes.
Starting point is 01:46:41 He's the best guard in the NBA. He's the best guard in the NBA right now. Out of everybody. Okay. Okay. You got to disagree with me? No. I said okay.
Starting point is 01:46:51 No, I said okay. No. He said, yeah. Right now, right now he's the best guard right now in NBA. Not point guard. Guard. Guard. Point guard.
Starting point is 01:47:02 Guard from the point guard to the shooting guard. He's the best. Put me wherever you want. I ain't got no qualms with that. Okay. But the all time list, he's crack. He's not far as guards. So how is he better than all guards? Top team. I don't get in the NBA right now. Huh? How is he better? Yeah. I mean, well, last year he won MVP. He's having a better year than he had last year numbers wise. He's top five in defense and in points. His team is number one without his second best player on the team. I mean, God damn. I I mean, what else do you want this guy to do? I mean, I know he had this little moment when he was getting boomed on by the San Antonio Spurs, but overall, I mean...
Starting point is 01:47:39 Boom what? Mr. B, boom what? Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with, no, that's a fair assessment. Eight. I think he's been in league eight years. Y'all asked the important questions. I'm just saying eight years. But he's knocking on that door for a lot of guards.
Starting point is 01:47:57 Eight season. So in eight season, Swet, you're talking about four first team all-N-B-A. elections and I've been done that though like 27 years old him done that and one he's a but Jason James not a guard
Starting point is 01:48:10 I would give Jason James small four right Mike that's a small forward position he's a wing player yeah that's okay but guards yeah I go with Shay
Starting point is 01:48:22 at that it seems trajectory wise we've discussed this I give before but now he got to do it again okay that's all that's all I'm saying if he do it again I'm sorry if he do it again he knocking in that top off.
Starting point is 01:48:33 If he do it. Two straight MVP's, two finals MVP's, two chips in Oklahoma City. Staying the course. Four straight, four first team, all NBA's. That's 5.30 points.
Starting point is 01:48:45 Yeah. I'm with it like, I'm not going to, I'm not taking enough of his play, but the guys who I'm named that played that position. He got a, the park guard or the guard position. It's been some ones.
Starting point is 01:48:55 Yeah. There's been some hymns. You're going to be honest. No, for sure. And they still him. Yeah. They still are. Perhaps the thing I appreciate the most about SGA is his pettiness, but it's very strategic and calculated.
Starting point is 01:49:06 So S.J. Dillon Brooks may be friends, countrymen, and team Canada teammates, but they went at each other throughout the series. So after Shave dropped 42 and eight dimes in game three, Dylan Brooks said he had the reigning MVP in game four. Technically, Brooks statement was accurate. As SGA cooled off, he only had 31 and eight assists in the series clinching win. So SJ and Brooks shared a moment on the court after the game. In his post-game interview, Shea had this to say about Dylan the villain. Knowing Dylan, he was a great competitor, a great guy. No matter what people say about him, he was a really good guy.
Starting point is 01:49:39 You get to know him. So yeah, all that villain stuff doesn't phase me. I know exactly who Dylan is. He had a hell of a series. Yeah, he should keep getting better. I'm proud of him. So we heard actually I say all the villain stuff with Brooks doesn't phase him. A day after the series ended, he took the opportunity to troll
Starting point is 01:49:59 Brooks, similar to Brooks' strolling. So in his first Instagram post, since March 14th, S.J. posted a carousel, which included a Photoshop picture of the instrument's meme. King Coon on three. Him clowning Brooks after giving him a bucket. With the caption,
Starting point is 01:50:18 everybody wants to be villainous, and so the brooms come out and the dust settles and you realize who the villain is. He's the Kobe of this generation. As you guys see, Cancun on three. Chant made famous by Nick Van Axel back in 1998. Oh, don't you. Cincinnati, another Cincinnati back.
Starting point is 01:50:35 Before the Lakers got swept by the jazz and the Western Cup. Don't talk about it. No, no. Never, though. Okay. You can never say that. Okay. Relax, please.
Starting point is 01:50:44 What's that? Nothing. You're the one said he's the Kobe of this error? Yeah. That's it. Kobe of this? I mean, I feel like it. I feel like it.
Starting point is 01:50:59 No, no. He was about to say something disrespectful, though. You don't want to repeat what he said. Say, if you're gonna be crash out, Brad. I'm not crash out, I'm just saying. Reform to Mr. B. He's- He shoot the ball from a better percentage than COVID. I say he shoot the ball from a better percentage than COVID.
Starting point is 01:51:15 I'm about to say. More efficient? Now I change for that, both. He's just the-he's percentage. I'm Pat Bair. I shot the three better than Duane Wade. It wasn't accurate by Pat Bair. That was-
Starting point is 01:51:29 I'm a better-ne-ditcher. I was stupid. We got... That was funny, though, what he said? That is one thing that you did. Okay. Like, they're just, okay.
Starting point is 01:51:45 Next? The fucking, you... Shut up. That is what you're telling, man. Shut up, man. You... It's official, though. But we should have reacted as J.S.
Starting point is 01:52:00 Trulling, Dylan Brooks with his IGP. Like I said, I do appreciate his pettiness. They got a good relationship, man. Leaf among the Canadian. Yeah, we do, but I'm going to still have to pack you up. Absolutely. To all my followers. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:12 The North remember. You got to love it. Man, I mean, you know, they're from the same country. They're going to play in the same U.S. team together. I mean, it's just good to see guys being able to go out there and compete, leave it out there on the floor and still be cool after, like, you know. I guess at the end of day. Like, you know.
Starting point is 01:52:33 He knows who he is. He's been in time with him off the floor, they're around each other. He said, they don't phase him all the... We're gonna go out and hope, bro. I'm gonna bust your ass while we're doing it, you know? Then we get back home to Canada? He's fucking shit. That's all?
Starting point is 01:52:50 That's dope. SGA, Mega Star. What you could... Mega Star? SGA? Yeah, for sure. Okay. I wish we could have seen, like, other stars' personality back in the day.
Starting point is 01:53:02 Like, what Jordan had done? day or something like that. If Jordan was on Instagram. Yeah, like this, this is dope, bro. Burner accounts. You don't think y'all would have been on Instagram in your early 2000? Like when y'all was coming up,
Starting point is 01:53:15 y'all would have definitely. You would have had an IG. At the height of y'all, oh my, and all these followers that they get. Just think about all these dudes that got a million followers for like for being trashed. Because all you're going to know.
Starting point is 01:53:27 Ken, you're going to the finals two years in a row. You own Instagram, talking to yours. They on your name. What was up? somebody running an account. They ain't on their down talking shit. Reckless, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:53:38 Then, the 22, 23, 24, 25-year-old me? Oh, no, somebody would have to have control of it. Absolutely. Shit would have fell off the rails. Absolutely. One thousand. Twitter and both of them over, somebody would have a total 100% control. He don't even meet the password. Just posting, Jake.
Starting point is 01:53:57 Don't even give me the password. Your agency, your marketing. Yes. And y'all, y'all do that for a minute. death for sure they would have been, hey, family friendly folks. Really, boy. They're on there now.
Starting point is 01:54:10 Like, I don't think, I don't think AI would have been on there like that. I got all the shit in the beginning so couldn't nobody use my name. That's the only, it just became a thing. Like when it first, all the shit first came about, I only did it so couldn't nobody use my name.
Starting point is 01:54:23 People told me, go get it. I'm like, I'm not getting on that shit. I'm like, go get it. So can't nobody use your name. Something like that, though. Can't nobody, you know. You did it, though. newspaper did somebody.
Starting point is 01:54:34 With a t-shirt or something like that? Yeah. Yeah, you did that for sure. That was trolling in real time. The same thing, though. Something was brought to my attention. Oh, you didn't need this. That's what I said.
Starting point is 01:54:44 I didn't need Instagram. I was trolling in real time. But no, I wouldn't, somebody would have to control. Like, I had an assistant at the time. Dude, hey, I couldn't even talk. I couldn't even get out the car at the club until the table was secure.
Starting point is 01:54:58 Like, hey, stay in the car until I got the table. Do you think they're going to get me control over something that I ain't. Oh, nah. What was around? It was Facebook then. Myspace.
Starting point is 01:55:09 Myspace. Didn't have one of them. Myspace. Was never on that. Facebook. Was, hey, never had a Myspace. And you ever think about. No.
Starting point is 01:55:16 Creating a Myspace. No. No. He ever had a phone. AOL. He was on AOL. You was an instant messenger for show. I was definitely instant.
Starting point is 01:55:23 With the site. With the site. You had the instant message at it. That was. That was. That was text. That was. That was text.
Starting point is 01:55:30 You were still texting. And the email? . Yeah. That was what. I didn't have a MySpace account. And he had a chirp. The funniest thing.
Starting point is 01:55:35 He definitely had a chirp. He had the first Burgundy join out. Absolutely. With the rain toes on? No, no. New cell phones? Then absolutely. As soon as it come out.
Starting point is 01:55:48 New car, new phone, absolutely. The T-mail account? The email account. Kmartin, first email. No, everybody had their face. Then I had to deal with Sprint too. Man, I had seven numbers.
Starting point is 01:55:59 Yeah. Sick, listen, yo. That's when Sprint made the camera. I had phones everywhere. The first camera phone. Ooh, the first news came through. Man, phones was out, bro. That's when they put that camera on there.
Starting point is 01:56:09 The news was like, sit on the teddy. In the club, no, I'm taking phones, bro. No, no, I'm saying no, back there. When Sprint put that thing, that camera on there. That's what I'm saying. This shit here, I was in the club. We was taking people's phones, bro. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:56:24 You tap a picture of me in the club and I see, there's a good chance you was going to, listen, I'm going to give you an option. Can they either erase the picture or lose your phone? Could they share them? Yeah, I would have snuck one on you. Hey, but don't let me see. There were people that hid, I said, I saw you, right? Can they have to see the pictures back then, right?
Starting point is 01:56:41 Hey, this shit here? It wasn't no video. It was just pictures back there. They couldn't even share the pictures back then. You could just happen. Whatever time, people don't really appreciate everything you had to do back in the back in the back. People hold on the shit, but trust me. I've seen pictures of me out in places.
Starting point is 01:56:57 I'm like, who the fuck took this? Like, dead ass, like, People send me all the time, like, yo, I saw you in, and there's a picture of me, and I'm like, a lot of you youngsters don't remember the chirp that, the walking, the video just popped up with me at the record,
Starting point is 01:57:14 eating sunflower seeds. Niggas, the whale over them, spent sunflower seeds in the bag, like, who the fuck took that picture, the video? But now, when that's, camera phones and all that shit first came out, man, that shit was the, you know. I was so paranoid, bro.
Starting point is 01:57:29 Like, damn, I did that. Well, they're like 2008, nine. The sidekick. Sidekick. Sidekick, what I'm talking about the picture of shit. I'm taking pictures and... I'm like that. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:39 Like 07, 08, 09, them years? Damn. Right? The game completely changed. Just imagine, man. That shit first, how we was moving, right? Everything was hand-to-hand. We in the club moving a certain way, doing shit.
Starting point is 01:57:52 Niggas in the club doing, Lord knows what. Now you're in a club. Now you got to worry about motherfucking taking the picture of you. Like, bro. Way, sidekick. We need to go back to... The sidekick. The black one?
Starting point is 01:58:03 Was it the black one? Let's get a lounge. The white one? Yeah, the white one. Yeah, the white one. Yeah. Let's do lounges, bro. Bring day parties back, man.
Starting point is 01:58:11 Ooh. Now, remember that shit, bro. No, I'm down with the lounge as long as not a cup, but a lounge with a nice DJ and got some chicken and waffles. Day parties, we got, remember who you let in. Let's talk, man. All right, let's talk. Let's bring it back. They don't know about, they don't know about that.
Starting point is 01:58:27 You said that motherfucker every night. Because y'all do both, though. What? The day party? Yep. Yep. One night we went to three clubs. Remember that?
Starting point is 01:58:37 We went to toxic and we went to- You know, you're dangerous. Oh my God, yeah. We went to three, yeah, we went to that way. And then Greystone at the end, remember on Sunday, they were three parties on Sunday. We used to go all three. They were already more matured than. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:53 I was in the spots. Oh, no, no, no. Secretly. We didn't see you. We ain't see you, brother. That's what I said. All the places y'all was in. I was in.
Starting point is 01:59:04 You used to go to supper club? You know what? White couches? Yes. Used to be in there every Tuesday. Yes. Woo! Hey, Grace Stone has the same table every Sunday.
Starting point is 01:59:14 Okay. Grace Tombander. I mean, I used to go to the gate before it was Greystone. Garden of Eden? Garden of Eden. Great. You name it, bro. My house, my house, playhouse, my house, all that.
Starting point is 01:59:26 Good times. Tito? Warwick on Wednesdays. Oh. He named us some spots. No, I didn't. He named us some spots. Who?
Starting point is 01:59:34 Who wasn't in war? Can't take what we made. They can't forget who we were, man. They can't forget who we were, man. Hey, trust. I was just watching that. I thought I'll lay due as well. Laydue for the uniform.
Starting point is 01:59:48 I had part on, I had a car service out here doing my playing. I own the car service. Back down memory lane. See how it is when we talk about OKC? You just say, fuck it. Let's talk about the clubs. Y'all brought them up. That's how O KC get treated.
Starting point is 02:00:06 All right, time to go. No love, SGA. Okay, but what the head will do? I got to make my picks. But yeah, before we go, let's wrap up today with our playoff picks. Throughout the postseason, we'll be making team picks using underdogs prediction markets,
Starting point is 02:00:18 which you can do as well. Keep a leaderboard of the couch's picks throughout the entire playoffs. Let's take a look at the updated standings if we can please. Oh, Shad expanded his lead now 21 and 13. Mr. B.
Starting point is 02:00:31 He got all three right. In second. No, no. We got two out of three. Canyon, jump to third, 13 and 12. Gil, still two and two.
Starting point is 02:00:40 Holding on the fixed plate, 9.13. 10 and 13. They cheated. Still trying to figure out where that wind came from. They looked at the tape. They looked at the tape.
Starting point is 02:00:50 They looked at the tape. And still, that's when you know they don't give a fuck. You were vetoed by the power. I'm going to ask, Shod. You're right there too,
Starting point is 02:00:58 because it's losses. Yeah. So we have. Just keep getting to win. Uh-huh. We have three series that could come to an end tonight. Yeah, I need some.
Starting point is 02:01:06 Six games six that have been forced in the first round of this year's playoffs the most since 2014. We will start in Atlanta where the Hawks are to keep their season alive, down three, two in the series. Nick's coming off. Two blow-all wins after falling two-one to the Hawks in the series. Tonight, New York, 58% chance to win the series and close out. Hawks sitting at 43%. Who are we taking? Nick's Hawks.
Starting point is 02:01:28 Nick's. I'm going next. I'm going next. Knicks for Clicks. All three Knicks fans. Yeah, I'm going to Knicks. And the other series in the East tonight, Celtics looked to put it into the Sixers season in Philly. Philly stayed alive with the impressive fourth quarter of Game 5 now trailing this series.
Starting point is 02:01:46 3-2 hosting these Celtics. Indeed, been doing his thing. Sixers are still big underdogs at home tonight, 33% chance to win. Celtics, 68% chance to win and reach their fifth straight Eastern Conference in a month. Celtics Sixers. Game six. Who we got? Celtics. This is tough. Get it off at home, man.
Starting point is 02:02:10 I'm going to go Celtics, man. I think they're going to get hot. Don't go Celtics. You don't really believe that? I don't, but they shoot themselves out. Go Philly then. Yeah, I'm going to go Philly. My man. I'm going to go Philly, though.
Starting point is 02:02:25 You heard this now, don't swear. Listen, man. You go Philly too. I think I am, man. You should. Think about NB. That's what I'm thinking about him. Taxi.
Starting point is 02:02:36 I'm thinking about it. I'm just thinking about NB. I ain't got nobody to guard. He keeps shooting the motherfucking threes, though. He can go out of issue. I'm going Philly at home. Okay. I'm going to Philly at home.
Starting point is 02:02:49 Finally, in the Western Conference, Nuggets looked to stay on track. Oh, shit. I forgot about another. Three-one series come back. And Timber Wolf. Timber Wolves. Wounded right now, trying to stay. Keep it going.
Starting point is 02:03:00 Have to try and close out without their star Anthony Edwards and Dante DiManchinto But they do have I-O all three closed out tonight But he's a game time to send you with calf injury nuggets Favorite tonight in Minnesota T-Wil 69% chance to win T-Wills 32% chance to close out the series That's why you said T-Wills Denver All closeouts tonight Yeah, get the weekend rolling
Starting point is 02:03:24 Burpee Beard to get the weekend whirling You know you know it ain't even a question who I'm going with. Or we'll go bearer. Burping babies tonight, baby. Hope I get my right. 40 point triple double tonight, baby. We're burping babies.
Starting point is 02:03:38 40 point. 40 point triple double from the coat. Ooh. Ooh. Okay. Fend a burp a big old self too, baby. Might have to go underdog. Take that back.
Starting point is 02:03:48 Wee, we. I'm going to take the under on that. He said, lower. Lower. Yeah, lower. Lower. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:57 Well, appreciate you gentlemen. As always, that wraps up our week here in the arena. Shout out to everybody in the chat. Shout to everybody on this couch. Everybody pray for the Lakers if you don't mind as we look to get this game six winning advancing next round. Is Amman
Starting point is 02:04:13 questionable for the lake? Who? This boy done, man. Out. O-U-T. For the foreseeable future. Is Amman playing game six? Chat, G-P-T. But this has been... That man, lucky he didn't tear his shit up, man. This has been another episode.
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