Gil's Arena - NBA Players Are SCREWED With The NEW CBA

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

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Starting point is 00:01:51 Cooked. Man, NBA players is trash when it comes to making picks. Oh, for sure. They betray you. Making picks. All the time. And we got some breaking news too, though, Gil. The show is going live starting next Tuesday,
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Starting point is 00:02:21 yo gotta hit you first obviously Ball Don't Stop one of the most polarizing accounts on Twitter. I see you all the time popping up in my feed. Interesting opinions. I agree with some, don't agree with others, but that's a part of the basketball discourse. But I want to know, what opinion has gotten you cooked the most by casuals? There's been two.
Starting point is 00:02:41 And Gil knows where I come from, but I miss word shit sometimes. And how I deliver it sometimes can be off years ago when Giannis was struggling I felt like He was operating like a wing When he should have been in the post when he should have been playing bully ball That's that was his game and I remember he would have awkward moments where he was just stuck on the perimeter, right? What that did is it put me in a position where I'm like, okay, he's not a wing, but I got to treat him like a wing because, you know, in a way, he's coming downhill,
Starting point is 00:03:11 he's playing at the top. So I was like, you know, if that's the route the Bucs are going, you might have to replace him and get a real wing. And I'm like, you know, someone asked me about Zach Levine. I don't know how the convo came up, but they're like, who would you rather have? I said to close the game in terms of a closer, Zach every time. On the fact that, you know, and this is before Middleton had took on the onus of being that guy, being the closer, right? I was like, the Bucs closer needs to be Zach Levine because he's going to go break you down.
Starting point is 00:03:43 He's going to make shots when the pressure's high in the playoffs. And it just got taken away where folks felt like I was saying that Zach's the better player. Yeah. When I was really saying if the perimeter player is what you need as a closer, it's got to be Zach in that scenario. What ultimately ended up happening is Chris Middleton leveled up his game, and then they got over that hump. And Giannis ended up going to his bread and butter, which was more down low,
Starting point is 00:04:08 which was playing off of Chris and not having to be the guy that's awkward being sagged off of. But that shit got me fucking cooked. To this day, you got to remember there's people that are still to this day mentioning that. I could do the craziest breakdown. They're like, fuck this guy. He says Zach Levine's better than Giannis to this day. What's so funny is my take was worse. I made a take, and when I first seen him, I was like, oh, he's like a Karolinko.
Starting point is 00:04:32 I was like, he's an Andre Karolinko. I'm like, God, what was I thinking? It was just horrible. I know, I know. It happens, right? Yeah, fucking shit happens. It happens. I mean, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:04:43 I think on the outside world, people will take shit, run with it, and like you said, years later, still try to use it against you. I know, I know. But we getting this money, so we're talking about money. And Gil, I got to give a shout out to your son, Elijah. Picked up multiple scholarship offers. He was over at the USA camp doing his thing. He's cold.
Starting point is 00:05:02 He got Kansas. He got Texas. So how proud are his thing. He's cold. He got Kansas. He got Texas. So how proud are you as a dad? Nevada. Okay. Lay us on it. And New Mexico. So Nevada just came today.
Starting point is 00:05:13 So can I add something? The thing about his son, he don't look like an NBA player's son when he plays. Because he's out there hungry. I watch him. And you can't tell like you know he comes from because a lot of guys like and you know no disrespect to those guys they come up in a scenario where they have it all right and they're comfortable they've seen the peak nba players come to their house like they're not phased by that shit when i see elijah play like and i really
Starting point is 00:05:40 study his game he's playing with that chip on his shoulder and that's really hard to tap into when you've come up that way so now we talked about it on a show I think last week a week before about guys were coming from pain and the guys were coming from privilege and well I can't I can't take credit for that uh I got to give that to coach Daryl McDonald from the Cavs AU program um he don't care about nobody's name, and he holds players accountable. So when you're talking about development and not wanting pansies as your children, you know, you give them to him because he's going to make sure they're accountable. So, you know, when Elijah first started, you know, he was crying on the bench
Starting point is 00:06:25 because the coach was yelling, cussing him out and this and this. And, you know, he'll take that, you know, black shirt away from him if he misses practice, if he's late. So Elijah got used to calling, like, hey, I might be three minutes late or I might be five minutes late, you know, it looks like there's traffic. And I was like, he's holding you accountable to be great. So he only knows how to run through walls. You know, Daryl say run through the wall.
Starting point is 00:06:48 He just going to say, what you want? You know, so that's the thing that if I have to say good words, forget his shooting, forget all this stuff. I'm saying he's coachable because he had the Bobby Knight coach early. So every coach from here can't break them. If you had, you know, you had this nice little coach who, yay, good job.
Starting point is 00:07:09 And then you get hit with that type of coach who's, you know, they don't give no leash. That's where kids lose. Right. Hunger. That's real.
Starting point is 00:07:18 That's where they lose. They get hurt. That's the first time they, you know, he got them 10, 11, 9. Sit your ass down there crying. Don't look at me. You said Kansas.
Starting point is 00:07:28 You said Texas. You said Nevada. You said New Mexico. Yep. One school I didn't hear you say was the University of Arizona. Yep. In Tucson. So, hold on.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Let's see if we can. Where's that Arizona offer at? Hey, bro. Stop. Don't even try that. Where's that Arizona offer at? Don't try that. We already.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Group chat is about. See, this is why Arizona is better than everybody't try that we already group chat is about see i this is why arizona is better than everybody else we have a group chat it's about 30 31 of us it's about 31 of us coaches all coaches all players so you know we don't want to do collusion around here but arizona was here first because you know Iggy broke it up hey where's Arizona went Iggy did bring it up first
Starting point is 00:08:12 so not going to speak for Elijah but I want to ask you you have the option to go to college for a year get an NIO bag maybe University of Arizona I don't know if they're breaking bread like that or go to the G League for a year because the NBA still got the one and done situation
Starting point is 00:08:27 All right, but I'm okay. I see your face No, you said Arizona break a bag like that just cuz y'all didn't get paid. We did not we did not miss me We got free free subs at sappy's that was it and I ain't snitching So we're decent. Sometimes they were men. I'll be real. That turkey was a little stale sometimes. But if you had the option, NIO back, college, for one year, half season, you can go get ready for the league or go play in this G League right now, what would you do? It's all, like, I'll lean towards the G League so he can train like a pro to get ready for the pros.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Like I look for advantages, right? Going to college, right? Unless your program allows you not to go to class, then it wouldn't matter to me. Get on a semester. But what I'm talking about, when you're talking about G League, right, you're training like a pro. So while this kid is sitting in class, you're developing a skill. When you look at someone fucking built like a unit now.
Starting point is 00:09:37 The kid that played at school? School Henderson, right? Look at the kids in college, they're not built like this man. They're not built like this man. They're not built like him. So, you know, that's the advantage that he has going into G League. So that would be my first choice, but it all ends up being what he wants to do. Brandon, obviously you went overseas. If you had the option now to come get that NIL bag, also we're going to go to Arizona, follow that legacy of great guards.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Yeah, I think I'm going to pick the same route, Gil. I think I'm going to go to Arizona, follow that legacy of great guards. Yeah, I think I'm going to pick the same route, Gil. I think I'm going to go to the G League or I'm going to go overseas. Okay. Just because it's the experience, man. It's the experience, the way you're going to get showcased, the games that you're going to be playing in, big minutes, what it takes to win and be a pro every day. So I think that's the advantage of it still.
Starting point is 00:10:25 And you played overseas. How did those overseas and those crowds compare to NBA crowds? Overseas is way worse. Way more turnt up? Overseas is way worse. Way more turnt up. I mean, you got fireworks, flares, smoke, drums, music. I remember we was playing in Greece and we was getting beat by 30 and they was just still partying, partying, party and like it's like it
Starting point is 00:10:45 Was a close game. I mean I'm talking about smoke flares They were like flicking quarters on the on the court to hit players in the back of the head stuff like that It was crazy. It was not it was not some hostile environment So now let's talk about a hostile situation that almost could have happened But didn't we were leaning towards a lockout, but the NBA, NBAPA agreed on a new seven-year collective bargaining agreement. Either side can opt out after the sixth year. Now, one of the major points of the deal was punishing bread-breaking teams like the Warriors and Clippers by implementing a second salary cap apron. So I think like
Starting point is 00:11:21 $17.5 million over the initial cap and once you're in the tax, they can lose the taxpayer MLE, they can't sign free agents in the buyout market, and they can't move first round picks that are seven years away amongst other situations. So after the deal was announced, Draymond Green, as he tends to do, took to Twitter to offer his opinions on what he thought was a janky deal for major market teams and for the players. So we got some of them tweets. First one, players lose again. Shaking my head.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Middle and lower spectrum teams don't spend because they don't want to. They want to lose, so increase their spending capabilities just to increase them. They continue to cut out the middle and this is what we rush into a deal for? Shaking my damn head now this time. Never fails. He followed that up. He went on a tangent. He was going hard.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Never seen someone go to a table with the assets that make an entire machine go and lose every time. Blasphemy. And the last one was in response.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Somebody said, boy, sit out the rest of the season. He said, I'm in year 11, bro. It's the younger guys and also those that aren't in the league yet
Starting point is 00:12:23 that gets fucked. So, got two former players here. Very spicy. How do you feel about that new CBA and do you agree with Draymond about the teams
Starting point is 00:12:35 and the players getting guys? Well, what's the deal? Okay. Listen. When he says players lose every time, he's correct. I mean, let's just be honest. If you're Adam Silver or you're David Stern,
Starting point is 00:12:55 are you really going to jeopardize this whole machine on not knowing what to expect from a player, right? No. My hand is going to be in the player's pockets. If you are in charge, hey, so what do you need as a player when you're retired? Coaching? Want to be big city? That's where that shit comes from, right?
Starting point is 00:13:18 So when you think you are standing tall, not realizing Adam Silver and David Stern, rest in peace, have already manipulated those guys to get these deals done. That's why the players lose every time. That's just... I mean, I don't want to throw no names out there, but you know.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Ask Michael Currier how he got his job after he was done playing in Detroit. Wasn't he a hit captain? There's another one, as soon as he was done, he had another coaching job too. So you saying there's stuff going on behind the scenes that maybe the average player, rank and file superstars who aren't on that committee. So the guys who make the decisions, you saying they're getting something in the back end? Fuck yeah. So that's what, so it's them.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Listen man, listen, you never going to war not knowing the other side's blueprint. You gonna get them blueprints, right? You gonna get them blueprints. I'm not going into some shit blind. Dude, no. So how do we change that? We're gonna talk about that in a second. First I want to ask you, just to Draymond's point, NBA always talks about competitive
Starting point is 00:14:30 balance, but it seems like all talk, right? So should teams like the Warriors and Clippers be punished for overspending, or should teams that underspend a tank be punished? Because right now, you tank, you have a nasty season, your punishment is the number one pick. And this year's a guy like Wimby who could be a franchise changer. So you're basically bringing them to an environment and a culture that's literally built upon losing. So how come those teams don't get punished for putting out a nasty product?
Starting point is 00:15:00 Because, I mean, usually most of the teams are probably small markets, so they're not really They're not really bringing in that much money anyways Overall if you think about it like that like the teams that are in What in in the lottery mm-hmm are not usually like big names like big market teams. I mean you might get the Knicks Yeah, you know you get the Knicks Lakers occasionally if they're there on a downtrend But rather than that I think it's always still the same teams. It get the Knicks, Lakers occasionally if they're on a downtrend. But other than that,
Starting point is 00:15:26 I think it's always still the same teams. It seems like no other industry besides sports, like the worst tech company don't get the best tech people, right? If you're bad, you go out of business.
Starting point is 00:15:36 That's just kind of how it rolls where they try to elevate and prop these teams up. But it seems like some teams are more concerned with just losing and still getting more draft picks as opposed to actually building a product.
Starting point is 00:15:46 And some of them are small market teams, but then you look at teams like the Bucs who built up the squad during the draft and now can win championships. What you think? About the teams that are at the bottom? Yeah, just in general with this kind of CBA and all this stuff going on. That's just the nature of it, right? There's 30 teams. I mean, before the play-in, there was eight going in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Seven are going to suck. If you're at the bottom or if you're even in between, what are you supposed to do, right? Like, you're not going to want to stay there year after year. There's teams right now, even, like, there's good teams, like the Bulls, that are going to have to make a decision soon. Like, as good as we are with Zach and Damar and Vooch, do we blow this up?
Starting point is 00:16:27 Because it's not getting it done, right? 9-10 spot. If you're a Detroit at the bottom, shit, you've got to tank. You have no choice, right? I mean, you're going to go for the seven-year kill at that point, right? You're not going to go for the three years of being whatever. And the Raptors are going through this right now, right? Where they got out of the slums. They were in the slums when going through this right now, right? Where they had, they got out of the slums.
Starting point is 00:16:46 They were in the slums when you were in the league, right? That shit was depressing. They got out and they reached the pinnacle. They broke the ceiling, right? Now they're back at it. It's like, okay, do we go back down for a few years and build? Or do we stay where we are? So I think, you know, there's certain teams that it's a business
Starting point is 00:17:04 and they got to do what they got to do, right? I mean, Detroit has to tank. You know, they've lost. They need a Wemba Nyama to go to the place that the Bucs eventually got to. So the formulas work. So, I mean, it is what it is. I've really never understood, and it's only in sports, that you reward losing.
Starting point is 00:17:23 That's the only thing in this world that you are rewarding someone for being horrible. And the concept to me personally is just like there's no reason. We've seen what Darnell Sterling did. To those business owners, he's, he, forget Jerry Buss. Right?
Starting point is 00:17:50 Darling Sterling as a businessman was their idol. Fuck what they tell y'all. He was the idol. He was the, I can sit here and get one, two,
Starting point is 00:18:00 three draft picks, let them play to their rookie contract, get rid of them. So the most I'm paying is five, six million dollars at a time. No one is, I'm not paying no 50 million,
Starting point is 00:18:12 I'm not paying no 100 million dollar contract. I don't give a shit how many fucking awards you win. You're out of here. As a business, man, that is a perfect situation for you. But this is a,
Starting point is 00:18:24 this is a sport too where people's legacies is on the line. So why are we warning winning? Like, if you're a loser, if you're in last place, you should fucking be penalized. That shouldn't be the, like, last place, you shouldn't get, you should get six automatic. Number six, that's your number. As a last place, mother, you will not fight for, you do not want to be last place in my world. I mean, you played overseas. The thing I love about overseas, they got relegation, right?
Starting point is 00:18:53 So the bottom teams, they finish in the bottom. They got to go down to the B League and work their way back up. Obviously, NBA is not structured like that, but it seems like, to your point, I can't just make Wimby go to this trash ass team that hasn't shown me that they have any desire to ever be good well i mean technically he does want to go to a trash team so he can play right i get it helps the players in that situation but at the end of the day how are you rewarding last yeah right how are you rewarding last? No one wants to fucking be last at nothing in life. No.
Starting point is 00:19:27 But sports, right? But sports. Last place is good. Yeah, because I get to be first place in the draft. Fuck no. Has the playing helped this, though? Huh? Has the playing helped this?
Starting point is 00:19:40 No. Because you've got 10, 12 that are now gunning for it. Yeah, but then you've got teams like the Mavs. Gunning for what? For eighth? Yeah, for eighth, ninth, tenth. Try to get them to play in. But do they, like, I still don't understand the concept.
Starting point is 00:19:54 If I'm 12th place but I make the playoffs, am I finishing eighth on my record or do I still hold 12th? Or if you're the 10th team, where do you finish? If I'm 10. Oh, yeah, yeah. If I'm 10 and I get 8, now do I get the draft as an 8th seed or a 10th seed? Good question. Because I do not want to be a 10th seed finally trying to play good, and then now I'm an 8th seed at the wrong time.
Starting point is 00:20:22 You're going to get smacked in the – Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if I'm Lakers, right, and I'm the eighth seed, and I get pushed out, and I'm the 10th seed, and I get that 10th seed pick, fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about some of the other major deal points. So this one I know y'all have some opinions on.
Starting point is 00:20:39 65 game minimum for player rewards. So it comes with some conditions, but they haven't really said what those conditions are. And there's agreement between the NBA and BPA now that those all-NBA teams will be positionless. So I know a guy like Embiid is probably smiling at that, where now you're not locked into the two guards and the forward spots.
Starting point is 00:21:00 So do you think 65 games threshold is fair to all-N NBA level players? 65? Yeah. You rolling with it? That's what separates you from the rest of the field because you can sustain your greatness longer. That's the difference between a superstar and an all-star. 10 to 15 games.
Starting point is 00:21:25 So if you can't play 65 games, then you don't deserve no fucking award. between a superstar and an all-star, 10 to 15 games. So if you can't play 65 games, then you don't deserve no fucking award. I agree, I agree. I know you big on that. 65 is an all-star. So if a regular ass all-star, a top 24 player, number 24, if he plays all 65 games, if a superstar was there, he would not make that fucking team still.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Now he's… So let's just say hypothetically, guy starts the season off, misses 25 games, he's already out of contention. Good. But he's averaging 40. Oh, well. Tough shit. Okay. Yeah, because injuries happen.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Of course. If I score 100 two games straight and then sit the rest, am I the leading scorer of the league? No. Fucker, you don't qualify. You got to be able to do this. You rolling with it? So I got a little deep take on this. These guys are operating as just straight killers and hoopers.
Starting point is 00:22:15 You should be out there. They played in a different league. The game was a half-court game. It was slowed down. You got time to recover within a game, possession to possession. I have a whole different take. I think analytics has sped this shit up beyond, you know, I think it's damaging their body as well because you don't get that recovery, bro, game to game. The season should have got
Starting point is 00:22:36 shorter. That's what they should have done. The season should have got shorter and they should have had like a 50 game limit, right? The 50 game minimum. I don't see superstars. I was looking at this yesterday. I don't see thesears. I was looking at this yesterday. I don't see these superstars, especially vets. The regular season has become survivor for these guys with their body, with the way the game is being played, with how much they're operating on the perimeter. You got seven-footers like AD, KD, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:57 moving with guards for the course of a game, closing out, rotating. You know, it's tough, man. It's taxing on the body, especially for guys that have that mileage. LeBron didn't play 55 games yet. 80 hasn't hit 55 yet. Dame, PG haven't hit 60.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Harden hasn't hit 60. Like, you're looking at a group of superstars and veterans that I don't even think it's possible to hit 65 anymore. Well, that's because they're deconditioned. I don't think so. I've watched NBA practices and stuff. That is
Starting point is 00:23:32 not practice anymore. They're coming in. They're doing shooting drills with the coaches 15, 20 minutes. Their bodies are not even in shape to move like it used to. Really? It's just like us going out there and playing, we're going to hurt ourselves. But they're training different in the offseason.
Starting point is 00:23:49 They're training more. They're not training at all. Yeah, they're not training. I don't think they're training at all. Individuals. I'm saying individuals. They're not training at all anymore. They're getting their strength in for 45, 60 minutes.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Man, I used to run five miles a day to get ready for in shape. I used to do bleacher work. Yeah. Right? They're saying the game is played faster. Correct. But if you take a guard, if you follow a guard, we were running about 2.1 miles per game. We did about two and a half miles.
Starting point is 00:24:20 These guards are doing a mile, mile five at best. The reason why is the three point line to the three point line is fucking shorter- You guys also played 40 minutes. ... than layup and guarding someone coming for a layup. Think about what I'm saying. Three to three, right? He's coming down and shooting three, he's coming down and shooting three, versus I'm attacking all 94 feet and guarding someone coming 94 feet so we were
Starting point is 00:24:46 we were moving further than the group that's what I said it's it's it's a mirage of of the thinking these guys are just not in the peak shape they used to be when you're looking at you're talking about Michael Jordan jumping and doing what he was doing plus party and all that and you're looking at today's guys and you're sitting at home playing video games all day. You guys have the most rest. The most rest. Because everything is, oh, we got to protect your legs. We got to protect.
Starting point is 00:25:16 It's load managing. But think about when you take three or four days off of shooting. Yeah. Right? Your body aches more. It's not ready to fire. And that's what I've seen. But I'm thinking from a standpoint of the way the game is played, Brandon,
Starting point is 00:25:35 like you guys as guards to move, like you're saying, from three-point line to three-point line. They're accelerating, decelerating at a rapid, rapid level. Why do you think guys like Towns and AD are, it's not natural for their body to do that, right? You're talking about guards, sure. I'm talking about wings. I'm talking about seven-footers. Like, these guys' bodies are, in my opinion, and it's happening in Noelville. Like, I think this shit is, the way the game is being played, I think it's messy. I think it's taking a toll on certain guys' bodies. Guys that have mileage, guys that are longer-limbed, and bigs are being forced to play this small brand of basketball.
Starting point is 00:26:12 I think it's easier, though. I think it's easier because, like you said, you ain't got to go all the way down the court. Half of them don't even touch the paint. Think about it. If we can run a three-point line, three-point line, I'm going to be in shape all day. That's nothing. But having to go up and down and then picking up 94 feet, guys are guarding at half. That's the thing about it. If I can come down and just shoot a three, right, and then Steph Curry comes out and shoot a three, so neither one of us ever gets past the free throw line, what the fuck do I need to sub for?
Starting point is 00:26:44 They're playing pickup, that's for sure. That's what I'm saying. It's harder when I have to go in, lay up, and do all this, and then come back with a guy like Dwyane Wade coming at me, spin moving, cutting through, and then I got to come get hit. It's a harder game where after games,
Starting point is 00:27:02 if I felt I didn't get enough running, I was on elliptical yeah like it was it was like when you're talking about we had body weight there's players that had body weight stuff in like you're talking about lifting before games you're talking about like there's no such things as days off yeah like coach says all right we have a day off, right? I still gotta go to a 24-hour fitness and get shots up. Yep. I don't have the luxury to rest. I got a I got a demon I gotta play the next day. These man, they take three, four, five days off. Yeah. So we talk about low management a lot but I think the common misconception is that's players. Like players aren't coming in like, y'all want to take the day off today. That's teams trying to protect those two I think a little bit of man games
Starting point is 00:27:47 Listen, but they try to protect their investment me down. You can't sit me unless I want to sit down I Don't feel like it's always players walking in like I don't feel like doing I don't feel like playing this back-to-back Like an 80s case, especially like I ad We don't want you to play this game. We want to protect our investment That's what you see. Hey, I guarantee you, you say this shit to him. Hey, y'all going to have a day off, but you're only going to get paid half you pay. I guarantee you, ain't no more motherfucking...
Starting point is 00:28:11 There ain't no more management. You try that shit. Right? Because you... Listen, if I got to... Let's just say... Who's the sorriest defensive team in the league right now? You would know.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Shit, it might be Dallas right now, bro. so I get to play I get to play Dallas score 45 who's the number one defensive team walkie all right and I got me walking the next game and coach says low you know low manager hell yeah if I get to play offense against the worst deep worst defensive team and dodge these, fuck yeah, I'll do that every fucking time. And I get paid? Shit, yeah. But that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:28:52 If you start penalizing and say, hey, listen, you can take the game off if you want, but I have to pay. Players ain't taking that off. Right. But I'm paying you not to come to work. Hell yeah, you're going to say yeah. Fuck yeah, right? Shit, say yeah. Fuck yeah, right? Shit, fuck yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I ain't got to guard that motherfucker today. He a little bad in Schmidt. Love this new basketball. I would be in crazy shape today. Like, playing today, I would just stay in shape and just shoot jumpers.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Shoot jumpers. That's it. Just stay in shape the whole summer. I would just run, just stay in shape, just make sure I can last longer than anybody out there. So, what's changed, though,
Starting point is 00:29:24 in just speaking with trainers and stuff is Players are approaching the offseason differently. It's their strength workout is huge They're maintaining their you know, they're building the posterior chain their glutes their hamstrings their back their core their upper body That's like a 45 60 minute session It's different from training has changed From the way you guys train and I think that was the right way to train, the way you guys were doing it, no doubt. But I think, you know, there's extra precaution being taken. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:29:51 Like, it's unnecessarily being taken to a point where it's like, you got to prepare these guys now for this melee of threes and layups, up and down, up and down. It's a whole different game, which requires a whole different style of training, which requires a whole different type of recovery, right? So but why you think they're getting hurt so much? I think the game is broken. No, but that's what's in you have the most Precaution in the offseason the most precaution during a regular season you have the best technology the best trainers And you guys are playing less games. Yeah, no, no doubt and that's because your body's like
Starting point is 00:30:27 It's in the mind. You ever seen a dude at the gym, right? Yeah, they got abs 2% body fat and then you guys say how much cardio you do? I don't know cardio That's their summer workout right there live and burn in the fat, looking like show horses, but they can't move. That beautiful car sitting right there, don't got no fucking engine in it. And, you know, versus like doing sand workouts and, you know, going to, was it Runyon? Runyon, yeah. Going to Runyon Canyon and running up hills and getting your body used to that type of movement. It's more of a show body than a body that actually is mobile.
Starting point is 00:31:13 The pretty muscle is not the functional one. So let's talk about another part of the deal, in-season tournament. So it'll include pool play games that are based on the regular season. Starting in November, eight teams will advance to a single elimination tournament in December. The final four is allegedly going to be held at a neutral site. Some people are thinking Vegas for that. And players on the winning team, I believe, get a $500,000 bonus for winning that in-season tournament championship.
Starting point is 00:31:39 So I want to ask both of y'all first, what are your thoughts on the in-season tournament? And do superstars give a shit about that? $500,000 bonus Well 500,000 that's a game check for some people so probably not I think they should bump it up a little bit Cuz it's supposed to be a million. I think that's what Draymond was mad about to y'all said a million We got 500k. So y'all literally fuckers out of 500. Oh, yeah, I should slice it up. They should give them a million dollars, and whoever wins it, get a top five pick in the draft. You get an automatically top five pick in the draft.
Starting point is 00:32:13 I like that. That would make it competitive. I love that. I love it because you're trying to offset October, November. You're trying to offset, so it's You're trying to offset so it's great. Everyone starts off great, right? Now, if you are a good team, it actually forces you to come out the gates hard. Because if you win that in-season tournament, you can be a good team and get rewarded.
Starting point is 00:32:45 See, right now, we're rewarding losing and penalizing winners. That's what we're doing, right? We're penalizing winners This is something where you can reward Someone for what you're trying to do. You're trying to have everyone start off great Well, then you need to reward the team that does. So whoever wins gets a top five pick, which means one of them bottom teams automatically go to six. That's where I say last place. So that makes it
Starting point is 00:33:14 that last play. Whoever comes last place, you're automatically six. Now you have real basketball. Now think about this. Let's say number 29 and 30 are playing each other in the last game. That is going to be the most watched, sorriest game ever.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Them motherfuckers are going to be out there fist fighting like shit. There's no going home. You know, like when you're on a bad team, that last week and a half, you done shipped all your cars. That last month. Yeah, you done shipped. You count day and they got 365 more hours, 16 seconds. You start doing that shit. Now, you're not sitting your fucking players no more.
Starting point is 00:34:01 They ain't no Luca and all that. They ain't no fucking sitting because you don't want to be. You don't want to be last no more. I guess the question I have for y'all is just thinking about it. Now I'm a star, superstar on these teams. Is it beneficial for my squad to get a higher draft pick now and potentially be able to draft my replacement? If you're that fucking insecure, get the fuck off the team.
Starting point is 00:34:20 I'm just telling you. Get the fuck off the team. If you're that insecure. I mean, you are a star player, bro. Bro, I'm just saying. You are a star player. You are free. We talk team in the league.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I know that 29th, 30th pick ain't coming in with no smoke. Now we get that fifth pick, sixth pick. So you are a star player worrying about a fucking rookie. I'm not. I'm just telling you with. Get your fucking game up. Get your game up. Why am I worrying about a rookie coming in?
Starting point is 00:34:47 That's real. If it's a top five pick, he's still got to go through me for my position. That's how you should be. I always thought that someone was taking my position in the summer. That's how I train. When I went to training camp,
Starting point is 00:35:00 I was in shape. I'm not using training camp to get in shape. No. I'm big dog right now. We're going to run. Let's run. I'm trying to let you know, bitch, you don't got no chance to this. So, follow up to that. Now, let's say you're a player on the squad and you're about to enter free agency the
Starting point is 00:35:17 next year. Do you give a fuck about helping that team you're about to leave get better? I'm on a winning team? You're on a team in that tournament, but you're going to leave get better? I'm on a winning team? You're on a team in that tournament, but you're gonna be a free agent. You might not be coming back there anyway. That has nothing to do with you. You're a free agent.
Starting point is 00:35:33 You playing for yourself anyway. Yeah, I'm playing for myself. So it don't matter. I'm playing for myself. Okay. You know what I mean? I'm playing, that's what a free agent does anyway. Old Tim Thomas.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Yeah. And also, I think you sending a message message too to the league in that playing championship tournament. Just to let people know, we ain't playing this year. But if the bag was bigger too, would that be something that would... So instead of that 500K, let's say... A million dollars for sure. A million dollars in total.
Starting point is 00:35:58 If it was a million... So 500K, but a million, like, all right, I'm going to go out here and get it. So this is extra on top of what I already get? Yeah. You get extra mil for of what already. Yeah, you get extra milk For these yeah four games. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think no one gives a fuck at that point Cuz I'm already getting paid one check and then I get another one if I win 500 200 100 is trick off money any goddamn way, right? So not for everybody. No, not for everybody I mean, okay, so the stock the star players really don't care. This is not gonna be a star player problem this is gonna be bench for the bench player problem because if
Starting point is 00:36:36 The star players like man fuck this game. Oh, I mean we got a problem. We got a problem. Oh, man. I need this $500,000. But if you promise the players a million and they thought they were going to the table with a million to change to five, I can see that's where the problem is. Yeah, for sure. I can see. But at the end of the day, I mean, I still got to play this game anyway.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I just think the winner should be rewarded more than money. There should be, like, it should be a draft pick, a top five draft pick. Like, now you're talking about building dynasties. And, you know, because you're not rewarding winning right now. So, you know, who would have been number one midseason? That would have been Boston, right?
Starting point is 00:37:24 No, I think it's based on previous year, if I'm not mistaken. Or, I got to look into it. Yeah, I don't know. It's not going into the season? It might be where you slated out in that season.
Starting point is 00:37:34 This season. Not the shit before. Yeah. That's how it is, yeah. Yeah, so like top eight. It's where you are in the moment. Where you are at that moment. Yeah, so 14s and 14s.
Starting point is 00:37:43 So let's say like Boston would have won it. Right? Boston would get a top five pick this year. That changes how are in the moment. Where you are at that moment. Yeah, so four teams and four teams. So let's say like Boston would have won it. Right? Boston would get a top five pick this year. That changes how they approach the summer. Yeah, they're going. Right. And it's something to do with playoffs too.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Like an automatic bid in the playoffs. Like if you win it. Something with the playoffs you should get. Like home court advantage. Yeah. Home court advantage is important. I'd be hot as hell if they went. Let's just say you're the number one team and they
Starting point is 00:38:06 win it, and then you become the number one team and then you got to play them and you got to be a roll T shit no. That'll make you want to win early. Let's talk about a couple other points in this deal and then we'll move on. NBA players will now be able to invest in NBA and WNBA teams under a new CBA. Players can also invest in sports, gaming, and fantasy ventures. Not betting on games, but investing in the company. Shout out Underdog Fantasy. Woo! If I was in the league currently, that's where I would invest my bread. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Because they really believe in you. And I like the platform. Oh, you for sure, hey, I'm for sure hitting a whole bunch of players. Hey, man, I need you to go ahead and throw a couple of mil this way, damn it. And as well as cannabis businesses, so. And then the most important thing, Gil, if you wanna get the smoke machine ready. I'm gonna give you a second. Where'd it go?
Starting point is 00:38:58 Okay. NBA is not testing for weed no more! Yes! I didn't smoke. But you have smoked. If you did, Gil. I've't smoke. But you have smoked. If you did, Gil. I've never smoked. But if you did, if you did, you would appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Oh, okay. It's bigger than you. So no more drug program. So I think when the bubble started, they kind of pushed it to the side. I was in the weed program. They caught me. They caught you? I said, put me in there.
Starting point is 00:39:24 But listen, actually I felt one in college, I'm going the weed program. They caught me. They caught you? I said, put me in there. But listen. Actually, I fell one in college. I'm going to be honest. Listen. Listen. The weed. All of it's some bullshit, to be honest. Before I came in the league, right?
Starting point is 00:39:38 And, oh, actually, when I came in the league, they were testing once a year. One time. Before the season. Right, right before training camp, and then they didn't test you again until next training camp. So when you talk about 80s and 90s and shit, all right, don't fucking blow your mind on the possible shit that they can take to stay in shape.
Starting point is 00:40:05 There's some strong motherfuckers out there, right? There was some people running through walls. There was some drugs out there that they can use to do that and you wouldn't have noticed. Okay, so let's just stop that 80s shit again. And then they put in drug testing four times. Four times in a season. Four times in a season. Well, let me
Starting point is 00:40:25 break down how that worked it wasn't as all what we think because of the drug program when they went into arguing players were like well some of us are addicted we're addicts they use that shit right
Starting point is 00:40:41 so how can you be an addict we're paying you 50, 20 million a year how can you be at it? We're paying you $50, $20 million a year. How can you say you can't stop this? They're like, all right, I'll give you $20 million to stop drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes for cigarette smokers. It took them owners two, three minutes to think about what he said and say, yeah, I done tried two, three times to break my habit and I can't. All right, so this is what we're going to do. And it was basically, it was a fucking loophole. The loophole was this. And this is what most of the
Starting point is 00:41:08 players did. Not like him. He just got caught. He just got caught. The smarter players, the smarter ones, all they did was when they found out they were getting tested, they just consumed so much THC, went into a test and said,
Starting point is 00:41:24 hey, I'm an addict. I'm an addict, which means that test does not count against you. All you have to be now is lower than the levels that you were, like you're getting better. So you're raising your hand. Sam, so I'm drinking. Listen, I'm fucking partying. If I know I'm testing tomorrow,
Starting point is 00:41:42 I'm partying with Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa tonight. I'm getting all fucked up. And then I'm going part. If I know I'm testing tomorrow, I'm partying with Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa tonight. I'm getting all fucked up. And then I'm going to test it. They test the P, whatever that level is. All you have to be is lower than that. And you're getting better as a player. They just gave me a warning. It was just like, yeah, put me in.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Think about it. They just took it off. When was the last time you heard someone get suspended for fucking weed? No, it's been so long. For weed? 15, 20 years ago? We even seen players get caught publicly with weed. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Yeah. Watch them. We can see you at the airport with weed. And no found weed. There's no... No. I'm in the program. Hey, I'm hype.
Starting point is 00:42:28 So last question on this subject. Right now, C.J. McCollum's president... Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, we're not going to just skip over the most important part. Oh, you want me to hit it? What? 2011 lockout? Fuck no. What you talking about? What? 2011 lockout? Fuck no.
Starting point is 00:42:45 What you talking about? What you talking about then? I'm talking about investing in the team. Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, that is big. That is huge. Four.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Lakers. Woo-woo. Warriors. Warriors. Knicks. Knicks. Boston. I'll say the Raptors.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Yeah, for sure. The Raptors? It's interesting to see now, because Draymond made that point. When he first came in the league, I think the Warriors were valued at like $500 million. Now they're worth somewhere close to $8 billion. Yeah. I mean, we've seen the Suns, same situation. Bucks, I think when that ownership group came in, they paid like $500, $600 for it and sold
Starting point is 00:43:23 it for what, $300 or $400, whatever that number is. But now these teams, I'm going to say they plateaued, but how much more can the Warriors go up? It doesn't matter. And if you're an owner, right, and I made, I said, because I tried to invest into the Wizards with A-Poll and you couldn't as a player, right?
Starting point is 00:43:43 And this is what's gonna happen Right when you're talking about penalizing these great teams right these these winning teams you can offset that with investments now so Draymond's up right How much is he gonna be worth? 200 225 3 maybe even 300. Maybe 300. You think Draymond's going to get 300 in the open market? Oh, right now?
Starting point is 00:44:08 No, no, no, no. I thought you were talking about his net worth overall. No, no, no. Go right now. With his net worth? Open market. Yeah. Open market.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Oh, shit. That's a good question. 200? Let's just say 200. No, I don't think he'll get 200. 150? 140, maybe 120. Okay, we'll just say, we'll just... 120.
Starting point is 00:44:24 120. That's in 120, right? Yeah. Four years maybe 120. Okay, we'll just say we'll just just 120 120. That's in 120 right four years 120 Does your money that money? No, no, no need no, they might don't need it. Yeah, right All right, since you don't need it and this goes against my salary cap. How about this? We'll invest 100 million into The Warriors and I'll pay you100 million into the Warriors, and I'll pay you $5 million for the four years. I don't think they'll be able to do that, though. Why not?
Starting point is 00:44:53 Why not? He's going to have to take his bread and... No. No. Says who? So do it like baseball. Says who? I can...
Starting point is 00:45:02 Fuck your salary cap. I don't need that salary cap anymore. I got invisible fucking money now. Who says who? Fuck your salary cap. I don't need that salary cap anymore. I got invisible fucking money now. I don't need no outside investors. I can have all NBA investors investing in my team, and I don't have to spend not a fucking dime anymore. Coldest shit on the planet that just happened.
Starting point is 00:45:24 We'll see. LeBron James. That's tough. LeBron James can have his whole contract as an investment, and now you have a fucking problem. If LeBron is up next year and don't have to take a dollar, you can replace. I think they'll still do it where you got to take take the contract and what you want to do with that bread
Starting point is 00:45:45 after is up to you. You don't have to. You don't have to do shit! That's tight. That's tight. Don't get me wrong. I'm the owner. You're the player. Who's watching these people's accounts? I can tell you. I can walk up to you and tell you, hey, your whole
Starting point is 00:46:03 contract. Come in here, you just take a dollar for four years. Guys will be billionaires, bro. Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah. If the contracts go up, I mean, it's all off percentage, right? So that becomes, you know, you're going to have Lorde. devalue my whole salary cap and just open my team up into my investors, which is players.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Knicks, Golden State. Them three is going to rock the NBA if those owners are smarter than... I mean, I wonder if players have to invest in the team they're on, or can I invest? If I'm on the Magic, can I invest in the Lakers? You can do that. Like, fuck yeah, I'm going to go ahead and put the spread over. If I'm an outside owner, I don't give a fuck about you. I got my own player.
Starting point is 00:46:58 Because I'm worried about my... Because my interest is my salary cap now. Yeah. My interest is my salary cap. I would never get close to that salary cap anymore. And then I'm sitting down. All I'm doing is, hey, now here comes big-ass collusion. Hey, Giannis.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Hey, Giannis. What's happening? How you doing? You know, this nice-ass franchise. You want to see where we are? We're ranked right here in top world team's value. Your $200 million in the bucks is is gonna be worth this in 10 years Your money in the Lakers is gonna be worth this in 10 years and all I have to do is just show you fucking
Starting point is 00:47:36 Spreadsheets. Yeah, come on over here That's real got a whole nother billionaires. They got a whole not fucking problem. Billionaires. They got a whole other fucking problem. Billionaires open. Yeah. They're goofies. I mean, I was- I thought of this shit a long time ago. So doesn't this fuck over the small to mid-market team? Yep.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Yeah, it does. But look. So then- They get the salary cap. They got that invisible salary cap. But it makes it a little fair if you're salary cap watching. Because at the end of the day, these salary cap, these small market owners, they're basically, it's like a fix-em-upper team, right?
Starting point is 00:48:16 I'm just buying a team and then re-flipping it because I can't afford them. I can't afford this salary cap versus what I'm bringing in. So, you know, you're talking about, you know, these small market teams. If I can convince the players to take shares versus salary, I don't have to spend any money. It's about to get crazy. Well, hopefully Adam Silver and them are not watching this episode so they don't try to hate. Too late? Too late is seven years. Too late is seven years. So players like
Starting point is 00:48:50 somebody like Dame, right? Yeah. I take, hey, hey, whoa, baby, yeah. Hey, look, I take a dollar next year. I take a dollar, four dollars for the next. Now you have all the money you was going to pay me. You can go out and get better players. And I can still go out and get them players and not pay money because I can give.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Come on, man. I'll be out there hustling some bitch. Well, let's keep this thing moving. We got to talk about the biggest story of the weekend coming from women's basketball. LSU's win over Iowa on Sunday's national championship game was the most viewed NCAA women's basketball game ever. 9.9 million viewers. It peaked at
Starting point is 00:49:31 12.6 million viewers. But there was some controversy in the game. LSU forward Angel Reese had a bunch of Mayonasians in their feelings. Mayonasians. That's my new word for Caucasians. After getting in Kayla Clark's face White people on the show are not offended
Starting point is 00:49:55 So that's all they are my barometer of morality But we gotta talk about angel Reese getting in Kayla Clark's face in there with the John Cena slash Tony. Ayo, you can't see me Mm-hmm. I remember from Cena slash Tony Ayo. You can't see me. See, I remember from the Tony Ayo days. Oh, nigga, do you? And then also the ring me, which some say Steph, some can say Aaron Donald. It's been around, but it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:50:18 So after the game, Angel had this to say about one of the most controversial moments in sports history. All year, I was critiqued about who I was. Nobody, I don't, the narrative, I don't fit the narrative, I don't fit in the box that y'all want me to be in. I'm too hood,
Starting point is 00:50:36 I'm too ghetto. Y'all told me that all year. But when other people do it, y'all don't say nothing. So this is for the girls that look like me, that's gonna speak up on what they believe in. It's unapologetically you. And that's what I did it for tonight. This was for the more, it was bigger than me tonight. It was bigger than me. Twitter is gonna go into rage every time
Starting point is 00:50:56 and I mean I'm happy. I feel like I've helped grow women's basketball this year. I'm super happy and excited so I'm looking forward to celebrating in the next season. And we're happy for Angel. Angel's numbers done rose up. She got over a million on IG, got over a million on TikTok. I'm a Twitter aficionado. I've seen her Twitter following damn near quadruple in the past couple days. But some Mayonnaise's out there weren't as happy with the move.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Call Angel an idiot, a thug, classist piece of shit. But like Angel mentioned in the clip, they didn't have any smoke for Kaylin Clark, who did the exact same thing against Louisville. I think she got in Haley Van Lift's grill hitter with that. And Kaylin Clark even came out today, said she don't think Angel should be criticized. She took her L like a champ.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Because Kaylin was out there cooking, I'm going to be real. 40 pieces, left and right. So I want to start with you. What do you think about the backlash Angel Reese is getting for trash talking Kayla Clark in the national championship? Okay, the problem is who is the beat writer that asked her the question? She just won the fucking championship and you're asking her silly-ass questions. That shouldn't be her championship speech.
Starting point is 00:52:05 That's how disrespectful her championship speech. Right? That's how disrespectful writers are sometimes. This is the speech that she has to give after she won a fucking national championship. That's the first problem. Right? Second problem is the real credit for this goes to, yeah, Tony Ayo, but who brought me to the NBA was the Sean Stevenson, and I stole it from him. And it was, I can't feel my face. That's what it was.
Starting point is 00:52:33 It was the Sean Stevenson. He always did this. But the game is this. In an outside world, if you're not a hooper, fuck off. Fuck off. This is not your space. So stop trying to have this voice in a space you don't know. If I talk shit to you and then you get the best of me, you're allowed to talk shit.
Starting point is 00:53:00 There's no fucking meter of responses, right? You know, was it Caitlyn? Right? She's bust everyone's ass this year hit him with this you can't see me all goddamn day and no one no one cared then now you're you're caring because it happened to the creator right But that's what happens. That's when it's at its best. It's at its best because the creator got a little bit of its own medicine.
Starting point is 00:53:31 When Westbrook was doing this and someone hit his ass with it, it didn't feel too good. I mean, I think about Pat Bev hitting Lil' Brown with a too small. Austin Reeves about three days later. Hit him with a too small.
Starting point is 00:53:42 Even lower. And that's just the nature of a shit talker, right? You know, you shit talked all year, and you got caught in the most important game. But it doesn't take away from your greatness.
Starting point is 00:53:59 It's just that, you know, someone hits you with your own shit. That's it. There's no either they're both thugs or they both classy you don't you can't separate them oh she did it at the wrong time in her face I don't give a fuck she did it for longer it was 15 seconds long I did that out of did this shit on the podium in the bathroom fuck you you that's the thing we can't ignore the racial undertones with it and that's what it feels like a lot. People attacking black women, trying to tell them how to act in moments like that.
Starting point is 00:54:29 She just won a championship. She can do whatever the fuck she wants. If you don't want her to do it, you should have beat her. It's simple. I think it was good for the game. Yeah. Especially for women's basketball. Now it's just rival.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Now you kind of have that bird and magic type thing for women's basketball right now. So I love it. I don't see nothing wrong with it. If you're going to talk, talk. Like shit, if they smart, I'm going to LSU Iowa, season opener, Superdome in New Orleans, get LSU won. You got to come out here. Trash.
Starting point is 00:54:59 You're not going to watch? I hate those type of games as the first game. You're not going to watch? Don't give me my dessert of games as the first game. You're not going to watch? Don't give me my dessert first. Bro. No, I do not want my dessert first. Like, give me, give me, let me fucking ease into the, give me one, two, and then third game.
Starting point is 00:55:13 Okay. That's fine. Don't give me the game one. You can get the janky, the janky warm-ups. When NBA do the finals in the first, we don't, we ain't watching the game like that. Like, ah, you know what I mean? Like, I want to see when both are peaking for them to play.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Give them some warm-ups. I'm fine with that. That's how we used to do it in college. You had to play the janky exhibition schedule and then you could get my invitation or wherever you could get it. Did you already make a take on it? On Reese? Yeah. It's cool. It's the nature of the game, right? Kaitlyn was propped up.
Starting point is 00:55:46 She was presented as that. Steph Curry at Women's Basketball, Reese was kind of, like you said, there's certain players that are more personable, right? And there's certain players that might not be as personable. They can do the same shit. It's a double standard. So that was kind of like a fuck you to the hoops world in a way, or the media, right? Because here's your hero, and you just got cooked by me. And in that moment, you guys know you're in adrenaline, right?
Starting point is 00:56:07 Especially when you're winning at that level. Can you imagine? Like you're jacked up, right? There's some emotions you can't control. Maybe she went a little over the top. Sure. Maybe she did it for too long. Sure.
Starting point is 00:56:17 But that's just the nature of competitive sport. And that's just the nature of, you know, battle. Just go head to head with another top dog. You know? And it's just what it is. I mean going head to head with another top dog. Yeah. And it's just what it is. I mean, people are over-reading this shit. It's like they want it. They want to because of it.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Like Steph, right? Yeah. When Steph does the turnaround, right? And he does, he'd be holding his arm up. All of those is antics, right? Those are, he's not verbally saying nothing to you. All of those are antics. He's not verbally saying nothing to you. His antics are embarrassing you.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I've seen the most... Okay, the game before against South Carolina when the girl was dribbling and she did that. Who is you? Right? That's part of antics. That is when people see... People don't really understand as a hooper.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Right? No matter how great of a shooter I am, you sit back and wave me off. That actually makes me think like, fucker. Oh, yeah. Am I supposed to shoot? Am I supposed to shoot it? Like I'm confused. And that's why when y'all see Westbrook and y'all see Ben Simmons
Starting point is 00:57:26 Sitting there trying to think that you made them second guess if this was actually a good shot now. Yeah, they're sitting Good defensive strategy, right? Um the most disrespectful shit I've ever seen Golden State Warriors Anytime they pass the ball, the step wide open. That is a disrespectful display of basketball. Here's why. Because they know
Starting point is 00:57:50 this shit is going in, right? So now it becomes animation. This is a play I see. The passer passes to Steph, right? In the corner. So he's at the hash mark top of the three. He passes it. He frees frame. Like he's at the like the the hash mark top of the three he passes it he frees
Starting point is 00:58:05 frame like he just sits there right steph gets the ball like you look like the shit was in slow motion so he's stuck like this like ah steph gets the ball three motherfuckers turned around yeah right they turned around you got somebody i don't know if it's a coach or that seat where the fan is. He's sitting there like this. Already, Steph has not even fully caught the ball yet to shoot it. You got three people on this side. They turned around to do what they did. So they're all celebrating to the crowd doing this.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Then Steph shoots. After he releases, he turns around, finishes with the guys. I said, oh, this is the most disrespectful shit I have ever seen in my life. Now, what if that ever happened to Steph in the Golden State Warriors? Let's say someone did it in a game-winner on Steph, celebrate it. Oh, they're going to go crazy. Oh, they're going to go crazy. They're going crazy.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Yeah. I think about CP3 when the Rockets went up 3-2, hitting them with the shimmy. It was primetime basketball. I was excited to watch the rest of that game. Wish they would have made it 3, but... Chris Paul was doing it, remember? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's part of the game. If you're an antics person,
Starting point is 00:59:19 no one's ever going to antic Kawhi Leonard. He don't say shit. You know what I mean? There's just certain players that you don't, but players like Luka, he's going to get mimicked every time someone tries, and B to get mimicked every time someone scores on him because he does animations. You know, Steph, if you can catch him off guard,
Starting point is 00:59:40 but it's just part of it. Did Bron do it back to Deshaun Stevenson back then, or was that Boobie Gibson? There was someone that responded. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This respond was worldwide. Yeah, yeah. So when he called him overrated, this is... Oh yeah, this is a good one. 07, right?
Starting point is 00:59:59 Playoffs? Yeah, so what happened was... So the backstory is Drew Gooden and Deshaun Stevenson, right, you know, was it Oakland Soldiers? Okay. Or Ebo, Ebo. Deshaun was a LeBron fan, right? So he's like, man, how was it playing with LeBron? Drew Gooden was like, man, he don't like you.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Just saying that, he's just saying it, right? Which fucked Deshaun up, like, yo, I like, oh, that's just saying it, right? Which fucked Deshawn up. Like, yo, I like, oh, that's how he thinks? Like, I'm pretty sure LeBron didn't say no shit. Which made him say, oh, this man's overrated, right? He's overrated, this and that. So basically, the comment that LeBron made was, that's like, he's Soulja Boy to me being Jay-Z.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Well, so I put my little two cents in, and I said, all right. It was the playoffs that I wasn't actually, I was hurt. So I said, all right, call Soldier Boy, have Soldier Boy come to the game. And then, sorry, Bron, I hit Papa John's up,
Starting point is 01:01:01 had him make the Cry Baby 23 shirts. I said, well, I'd fuck him up. He's God. He does not want to see this type of negative energy towards him. So they had the Papa John's 23. You'll see people on the shirt if you Google Papa John 23 Crybaby James. It had his shirt. Kind of threw him off his game.
Starting point is 01:01:21 We ended up winning. Oh, Braun called Jay-Z. Jay-Z was on tour with Mary J. Blige and Phoenix. And to make a diss song. And they made the diss song blow the whistle, right? So everyone's in the club. I'm at home haloing it up, right? I'm in the club. I'm at home Haloing it up And my flows getting blown up my phone
Starting point is 01:01:53 Manage did uh was it uh Taz and then they disrespectful man and I like what happened and then they had to break down What happened they said they're partying Cavs is partying right everyone's in a club, and then all of a sudden lights go off, music. And then they said, spotlight comes on, there's a man with a CD. Yeah, this is back when CDs was in. CD. And they said, open up, open up.
Starting point is 01:02:19 They fucking Damon Jones. Damon Jones, everybody move, move. They said, move, move, move. And like some movie shit. They said a dude with a Rockefeller chain on walking the CD to the DJ booth.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Give him the CD and Damon Jones talking shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's R-City now. And they played that song. They said, Karan got so mad that he walked out.
Starting point is 01:02:44 I'm never coming to this motherfucker. This R- y'all allowed in shit never coming to this goddamn club They said they played that blow the whistle about 20 times 20 times You lost the series then yeah, that was all it was hot and that's when I think the Clothesline claim came that next day, but it was one of those things where it spilled off the court. That's crazy Was a great playoff series One of the funnest ones because because it spilled off the court it made the energy between both arenas Crazy, I think I think
Starting point is 01:03:27 LeBron was so big Papa John apologized. Then, not this new LeBron, the LeBron, early LeBron. LeBron was so big he had Papa John's apologize. I'm like damn. That's crazy. That's funny. So let's talk last thing with this uh this Women's National Champions situation. First Lady Jill Biden said that she was going to consider inviting Iowa to the White House too. In addition to LSU. So got to ask y'all quickly, should Iowa get the participation trophy invite to the White House along with LSU? Hell no. Hell no.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Fuck them. Hell no. They should come too. All teams matter. Hell no. There we go. Rewarding losers. Rewarding losers. I'm pretty sure y'all thought Iowa was
Starting point is 01:04:22 going to win, but Iowa was not that. They had one player, right? They had one player. This ain't no one-man show, as Angel Reese said. This was like Cleveland Cavaliers 2017, LeBron James taking that shawty-ass team to the championship, okay? It was that. That was that team.
Starting point is 01:04:40 Like, she was playing phenomenal, right? Most of those girls, I heard one of them, the second-best scorer, talking about she was playing phenomenal. Right? Most of those girls, I heard one of them, the second best scorer talking about she's going to Dennis after this. So she knows she's not going to the league. Right? So if you're going to invite somebody, you just invite one person, all access behind the scenes to the White House. The rest of that team can sit back home and get better.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Right? No, that's just embarrassing. Like, listen, like, you know, you can have dinner with her. The rest of them can fuck off. Like, I'm sorry. They're just not that good. If Mark Sean Lynch didn't get invited after the Seahawks lost the Super Bowl, he should have got the ball and then, like, Iowa can't go.
Starting point is 01:05:18 This was the most watched girls' basketball game, right? Yeah. WNBA is up too you should look at this as a eye opener and i've said it i've said it jokingly but um this this actually shows you what your game is missing. Your game is missing the youth, right? By the time your girls get into the WNBA, they're 22, 23 years old, and the future don't know them, right? Paige Buckner, if she got to leave after her freshman year,
Starting point is 01:06:00 think about all the jersey sales that she would have sold because all her fans are high school girls that will wear those jerseys. Same thing with these two girls. No one's realizing that these girls are going to sit in college two more years. One one more year. One is only a sophomore. She has two more years. Think about all the fucking merchandise you will be selling if they were the number one and two picks
Starting point is 01:06:26 in a draft, which they will be, right? Yeah. They'll be up there. Yeah. Up there. Yeah, yeah. Right? Top five.
Starting point is 01:06:34 No one knows who the number one pick is going to be, because she's going to be a senior, and no one gives a shit about seniors. Just like in the NBA, no one cares about seniors. You're basically plateaued. You're missing what the youth is. So if those two girls are drafted number one and number two, they will have the number one and two jersey selling in WNBA. When you're talking about revenue sharing, you're missing the revenue.
Starting point is 01:06:58 You're missing the revenue. The young youth does not know who the juniors or seniors are. They don't. It's a big disconnect because when those 22 and 23-year-olds come into the NBA draft, they're women. They're dressing exactly like women. They're wearing suits. They're looking professional, which as adults, yes. 15, 16-year-old
Starting point is 01:07:27 girls don't want to see that shit. They're like, what is she wearing? She's looking like a grandma. Even though there's just this much removed. My 11, 12-year-old, they know Buckner. Paige Becker. I mean Paige Becker. By the time she gets into the WNBA, my child would be worrying about her game. She'd be out of the jerseys and all that face. Most of Paige's fans will eventually be competitors. They'll be competitors. So they're not going to buy the Western name. So, if you think about two years from now, two years from now, will Reese still
Starting point is 01:08:10 have the same name she has now? That's funny. I did an interview with Angel before the tournament started, and she's like, yeah, the ultimate dream is to go to WMEA, but the bread she's making at LSU off the NIL, she's like, I'm not really tripping. I can get this bread here. You know, shit. I bought a sweatshirt. I know the sales just went through theIL. She's like, I'm not really tripping. I can get this bread here. You know, shit.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I bought a sweatshirt. Like, I know the sale just went through the roof. She got the coach deal now. Like, her following visibility is so huge. But it's something that you hope to see. But just shout out to the women's game. And, by the way, got to give a shout out to UConn for winning the men's national championship as well. Got to mention you guys as well.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Fifth title since 1999. Congrats, UConn. You are officially a Blue Blood, which is an oxymoron in several parts of Los Angeles and hoods around the country. Who do they play? I'm just being funny. Who the fuck do they play?
Starting point is 01:09:01 That's, yeah. It was funny. Both games were like 17-point wins, but I was locked in for the Iowa-LSU game. No, no. So, okay. So, I'm working on my breakdowns. So, I watched the highlight, and I did a breakdown on UConn. Right.
Starting point is 01:09:20 They have horrible spacing. Yeah. Their spacing is horrible. Like, you know, they're just better than the teams that they were playing. they have horrible spacing. Their spacing is horrible. They're just better than the teams that they were playing. These last two teams, trash. But I'm just looking at spacing, and I'm like, man, you guys should be winning these games by like 30, 40.
Starting point is 01:09:39 They got spacing like here. I call clips where you have eight guys, nine guys above the free throw line in the middle of your offense because they're not running full court. They're just stopping at the hash. Just like little details as someone that moved a lot back doing slash and I understood how to use the whole length of the court. So when I see players wing, players running, and they stop at the hash,
Starting point is 01:10:08 like, bro, go all the way down and come back. Because when I'm driving, if you're all the way down, I have more room. If you're at the hash mark, you done cut off a lot of my space.
Starting point is 01:10:24 32 feet. You done fucked up 32 feet because you want to stop at the hash. I was forced to run and run under. If you caught it on the wing, I was the other guard that tried to get that pass
Starting point is 01:10:40 right under the basket. I always took off and tried to get it. If I didn't get it, I'll go back. You guys' game was so much more sophisticated, though. Like, the habits of basketball now have been totally just distorted. You know, like, this is like, it's not how basketball is meant to be played. That's what I always talk about, right? It comes back to the analytics influence, right?
Starting point is 01:11:01 You got these guys in the front office that didn't really hoop. They're preaching threes and layups, right? Within that, what happens? It takes away so much creativity. It takes away so much grit. It takes away so many little instinct things that you would do as a basketball player, right? All that is out the window now because you've computerized, and it's like an algorithm now. When you watch basketball, especially when you watch the NBA, I mean, yeah, college looks bad spacing wise But I was kind of like yo, this is refreshing like they got to go figure it out Now this problem-solving involved right and it's a title three-point line. So it's like, okay, you know
Starting point is 01:11:34 I almost feel like the way the NBA game is played now. It's like a glitch. Of course threes are worth more than twos, right? We always knew that but we lost the low post game that's gone the bruisers are gone bruisers made games more exciting you know when you had like uh i mean who's a bruiser that you played with like oh i had danny fordson i had uh evans you had evans yeah reggie evans like those guys made you really have to go work for every basket and it brought out another level of of a Brandon Jennings or a Gilbert Arenas because they had to go find a different dimension of their game. Whereas now, it's like pickup. You could just walk a guy down, create off the dribble.
Starting point is 01:12:14 That's easy. Yeah. Yeah. No disrespect, I'm not an NBA pro, but that's easy shit for you guys, right? It's like when you lost the grit, the creativity, running sets, like you're playing in the Princeton, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:29 Eddie Jordan's Princeton. There's so many different options out of that, right? That you would say, oh shit, that was a good call. Oh shit, that was a good read. Mm-hmm. Read, yeah. That's all gone. It's drive, kick, pick and roll, threes and layups.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Yeah, you fully optimize the game and the scores are higher, but now you got to do creative shit like, oh, let's introduce a mid-season tournament to make it more interesting. Because we tune out. Because we tune out. The truth is, we tune out of games. You watch a game, you start scrolling, because, yo, it's just threes and layups, threes and layups. The worst thing is, now the playoffs are going to start, right?
Starting point is 01:13:01 Guys that have been battle-tested a the katies and shit they're gonna cruise just on yo bro you don't even know how to solve this problem yeah i did this in 2012 bro what is this what does this mean for the young guys though this is all they know the new young guys coming into the league this is all they know this brand of basketball so i feel like something's got to change but it's again it's coming at the front office level like you know you're putting in they've gone all in on threes and layups analytics basketball right it's it's it's it's really it's like i think jamal crawford said it best right a mid-range is like a jab that was on my show yeah right yeah yeah it's like a jab yeah he's 100% correct. If I can fake like I'm going all the way in and you run for it, I can pull up. Now, next time I come, you stop, I go by. It's a game. It's like being a
Starting point is 01:13:57 puppet master. If I know once you take off, you're only going to the layup, then it's easier to load up. Right? Exactly. It's easier to load up. You know, if I know, okay, let me just let him shoot the three. Right? Knowing he's going to shoot the three. Like the pull-up game, the mid-range, especially when guys really don't want to play defense.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Yeah. Right? Really don't. You need, as an offensive player, you need all the elements. You need all the elements of scoring. When people say three-level scoring, for someone like me, that's a basic number. Three mid-range layup. That's basic.
Starting point is 01:14:43 You need a post-up game. You need a... You need a... In-between game. In-between floater game like the Joe Johnson, Tony Parker. Then you need the logo type of game. You need the ISO game. So there's like five to six levels when you become real creative. Like I was doing a test with someone. I said, hey, who's the best three level five level score and I said the reason I said that is once you put in three or four levels it takes out 90 percent of today's game it does because these guys can't play like you still have Devin Booker you have the Rose maybe a little bit of DeRozan,
Starting point is 01:15:25 you have Kyrie, you have Luka. But for the most part, somebody like Giannis wouldn't be able to make it. LeBron wouldn't be able to make it because he rarely goes mid-range at this point. So it has to be like, when you're talking about the, that's what made Larry Bird great. So when you want to talk about type of players, that's what made Larry great. He had a mid-range. He had a floater. He had a layup package. He had the three.
Starting point is 01:15:54 Like that's, he has these different type of levels to his scoring ability. Even watching you guys, like you're 60 in Staples or you're 54. Like it was, you needed pressure to bring the best out of you i'm working on my mid-range in the offseason i'm working on my deep three i'm working on my finishing you needed to be challenged in order to showcase all that you're 55 you know seventh game or whatever like 35 point games i saw you guys really go into your bag as creators because you were forced to, right? And it diversified your attack.
Starting point is 01:16:29 What that did as a fan, it made it so much more fun to watch, but it also showed you who the real cold killers are, right? There's a lot of guys in your era that if you just put them on an island and let them play with freedom, they would have put up crazy numbers. They just never had that opportunity to go do it. That's facts. They just never had that opportunity to go do it. That's facts. They just never had that opportunity. That's facts.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Yeah. But it's also a thing on just your training yourself, right? When I trained, I tell kids now, have different packages for different type of players. Right? Today's game, they're playing with one package. Yeah. Right? You can't play basketball.
Starting point is 01:17:16 You can't drive down the same, like your Ferrari. You can't go 90 miles an hour. Right? Yeah. What happens in traffic? Now you don't know how to move. No. Right?
Starting point is 01:17:27 So if I'm guarding Kawhi, I have a package for players like him. If I'm being played by, you know, Patrick Beverly, I have a package for players like him. If I'm playing against a smaller guard who's, okay, now I have a post-up package. Because maybe I can't dribble and do my pick and roll because he's getting under me. So I have to get off the ball and have a back. If I have someone who loves playing tight defense, all right, I got to use my back door and fall asleep, take off on them. Off ball type of, you have to have different patterns. And that's why Steph and somebody like Dame at this level is still fucking you up.
Starting point is 01:18:07 Because they've understood that they're not playing the same game against the same type of guards. And that's where a lot of the youth needs to understand. Like, you can't do the same thing versus everybody. Like, there might be a sorry guy out there whose built, his body build is exactly to stop you. Mm-hmm. Guys aren't students of the games anymore. That's the biggest loss of the game, too, and why it's like that. The appreciating of who came before you and studying the game
Starting point is 01:18:39 and training, all that. That's why guys can't play so many games or they're not even probably really interested in it. They don't love it like that no more. The details of it. Some of the coaching probably is not that good either anymore. I don't think they're taking the time. My rookie year at Scott Scowls, we would watch film after every game and be able to
Starting point is 01:19:00 critique everything. Now, I doubt they really get that. It's almost like the NBA has become an extension of AAU, right, in the way that it's played. You go to Vegas in July, you go to Summer League that night, it's the same brand of basketball now, right? Whereas you were challenged in college a whole different way. You got to the NBA, it opened up, it was a different game. You went pro overseas.
Starting point is 01:19:24 Guys aren't seeing different scenarios different sets different types of schemes they're just seeing one thing and it's dumb the game down but it's took away guys creativity and it's almost took away their greatness because like you said they're not studying the nuance of the game oh I'm gonna catch this guy sleeping there's little little minute details that are absent like they're just not needed anymore there's more so I always hear you talk about I catch this guy sleeping. There's little, little minute details that are absent. Like they're just not needed anymore. There's more. So I always hear you talk about hoopers, right?
Starting point is 01:19:50 Yeah. There's more hoopers than basketball players now. Like a basketball player understands the full aspect of the game. And it ruined the thing about being a hooper now. Yeah. Because everyone's just a hooper now. Everyone's a hooper. Yeah. Like back then. Yeah. Because everyone's just a hooper now. Everyone's a hooper. Yeah. Like, back then.
Starting point is 01:20:06 Yeah. So, the thing about a real hooper back then, right? You needed him when, like, we're in the middle of the playoffs and they just, they fucking know everything we're about to do. That's when the hooper comes in. Him and Monte went off against Miami. Did you guys win that game? No, we lost.
Starting point is 01:20:30 Yeah, but it was like you challenged them in a way, right? It was him and Monte. There was guys that would come in, microwaves, and alter the whole game, right? You had that. There was guys like, I mean, shit, there was a lot of guys. Drew Harcroft, Lou Will. Yeah. But those are the guys you need that change the pace when everything is so structured and everything knows. Now, everyone's the same.
Starting point is 01:20:55 Everyone, you come in, you give them the ball, they go through their whole little routine. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Like, bro. It's the highlights and all that. Yeah, it's overrated. I know. It's like overrated. It's the game. It's the highlights and all that. Yeah, yeah. It's overrated. Yeah. I know. It's like overrated.
Starting point is 01:21:08 It's the game. It's the game. The game is the game as they say. Part of the game. It's the game. Everything is inflated. They say players are more skilled now. I disagree because you just get to see it more because there's no help side.
Starting point is 01:21:20 He's got you on an island and it's freedom. It's pick-up basketball. It's when every time someone says, oh, they're skilled, I said, at what? Right. At what? Are they more mentally skilled? Right. Do they understand the aspect of the game skilled? Or you're talking about the part you actually see. That's skilled, right?
Starting point is 01:21:45 Like, I can tell if a guy has a bad limp. I can tell if his arm is a little shorter. Like, you know, when I used to cross over on Jason Kidd, I only crossed over one way because, you know, I don't know if he broke an arm, but it was, you know, it didn't flex all the way. So I know when I crossed over, I had about three inches going the other way.
Starting point is 01:22:04 You know, I'm going to cross over to that same arm because I know when I crossed over, I had about three inches going the other way. You know what I mean? I went across over to that same arm everywhere because I know he couldn't poke it. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I know this player got a bad hip. Like, let's just say a righty, right? If I go left, if I go left, it's easier for the righty to run with me to jump. If I'm going left, I know with a righty I have certain things to do. When I'm going to my right, it's better to develop a step back because a righty, for
Starting point is 01:22:42 him to block your shot, he has to turn all the way he has to actually turn to look at the basket to go if you're a righty going right if so if i'm guarding you yeah right for me to block your shot yeah i have to fully so you blow by me i have to fully turn yeah to try that now if you step back that's why james harden step back be so fucking vicious that's why you can if you're if you're left you can fuck a righty up. Every time. Lillard sidestep. Every time.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Because I have to, for you, when you take off, I have to fully go. See, if you go left, I can run like this and just jump and block. It's easier for me to recover. Right. This recovery, I have to turn and go in those lefties, step back. You'd be like, God damn it. Kill her every time. Every it. Kill her every time. Every time.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Kill her every time. Like if you're going to make a guy fall, if you're going to make a guy fall, it's you going right and when he fully turns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but they're not skilled at that. It's gone. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:42 They're not skilled at that. They're skilled at. Well, like you said, the levels of offense. Right. It's the levels. I like these levels. Well, shit. I hope they was out there watching this and taking notes.
Starting point is 01:23:53 But that's our show for today. Agin, we appreciate you pulling up, brother. Yes, sir. Keep doing your thing. Follow him at Ball Don't Stop. Ball Don't Stop. Appreciate you, Brandon, for coming through. Appreciate you, Underdog Fantasy. Appreciate you underdog fantasy. Woo.
Starting point is 01:24:05 Woo. Woo. Woo. See y'all tomorrow.

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