Gil's Arena - NBA REFS HAVE TOO MUCH POWER 🚨

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

NBA REFS HAVE TOO MUCH POWER According to Gilbert Arenas!! In this episode of Gil's Arena, Gilbert Arenas, Brandon Jennings, Rashad McCants, and Josiah Johnson dive into Fred VanVleet's words on NBA Officiating and how NBA Refs are closer to the Police than sports officials. They also explore the Tim Donaghy Scandal and wonder if any NBA Refs are still involved in similar schemes. The answer may surprise you! Following that they react to Kevin Durant's freak pre game injury and question whether or not he'll be able to return to the Phoenix Suns before the NBA Playoffs. Finally, they address the Draymond Green Podcast segment between Draymond and Dillon Brooks and debate whether or not Draymond should make the Hall of Fame GIl's Arena is NOW LIVE. Every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Brought to you by Underdog Fantasy: Sign up here for a deposit match up to $100   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Underdog Fantasy. Let's go. We got the real dog With the honor called for greatness. Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Manatee. What, what? Let's go. We got the real dog in the building today. Yeah. Yeah. I brought him out today for Gil. What's his name, man?

What's his name? He got that full Martin vibe. Yeah, his name is Freedom. Freedom. Freedom. His name is Freedom. There you go. I like that. For sure.

I just want you to know, I didn't take the CD player. It wasn't me. So we back again. We got the full house today. We got Gilbert Arenas as always, the man who brought us all here to do this thing. Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. I show respect.

Got Brandon Jennings back in the building. Rashad McCants. And fellas, we got a lot to get into, but we're going to start with Fred Van Fleet going at the ref. So he kept it really real after the Raptors lost to the Clippers on Wednesday night. Guaranteed fine coming for going at the ref, but one ref in particular.

I don't really care. I thought, you know, Ben Taylor was fucking terrible tonight. I thought that on most nights, you know, a. I thought you know Ben Taylor was fucking terrible tonight Most nights, you know a couple other you know out of the three there's one or two that just Fuck the game up, you know, and this has been like that a couple couple games in a row It's been disappointing this season. You could look up most of my texts this year I've been with Ben Taylor officiated. So at a certain point as a player, you feel it's personal. And it's never a good place to be. That's not why we lost tonight.

We got outplayed. But it definitely makes it tougher to overcome. So the ref, he mentioned Ben Taylor has officiated six games that FEV has played in this season. In those games, Fred has got four techs, including getting the two-piece and ejected back on November 30th. Taylor's been responsible for three of those six techs. Or three of those four, excuse me.

75%. Oof. What are y'all thoughts on FVV taking a fine to come at these refs and give you can't get fined. I can go first on this one. Go ahead. I'll go.

I just feel like the refs are human. So if you coming at me personally, then I mean, you know, it is like, you know, the more you keep going at refs, you know, they're human, they make mistakes. But you know, that that statement right there is not going to help you either. You know what I'm saying? Like, at the end of the day, you got to respect the refs. You know, when I played, I never really had a problem with any refs. Like, I just let them do whatever. Like, I mean, if I got mad, I just got mad that night, but I never went at any ref, like, personally just because I knew I would have to see him, like, you know, for the next 40 or 60

something games. So, I just feel for the next 40 or 60 some games. So I just feel like you got to be careful with that. Not even Scott Foster? No, actually Scott Foster used to talk to me before every game. We used to, we was cool. So I don't, you know, I don't have no Scott Foster beef. No Foster Freeze beef, Rashad. Fuck them refs.

Man, because there's players out there that don't like to be cheated, right? And sometimes after the game, you'd be like, man, we was out there eight on five. They beat us with more, they had more players than we did tonight. And that's unfortunate because you don't have control over that narrative, right? You don't have control over what calls they call because going back to Allen Iverson being in the league, they used to put the hit out on him. Like, all right, tonight, Allen and I get no calls tonight. And to know that that happened, right, and to see how the league is going in the direction

of fostering towards the actual refs, it makes the game look kind of like Fred is explaining it. It's like it's going towards them. It's like we don't got no control over how the fans come watch us play when y'all calling all this bullshit out here and the technical fouls actually sway the game. The Scottie Barnes foul technical foul that he got. Fred gets his technicals and they just fed up with it. But maybe it's just a soft ass Toronto thing. You know what

I'm saying? Maybe they just don't like the Toronto Raptors and how they be getting down like that but I I really feel like the ref need to ease up. We've implemented the instant replay to check them. Now we can reverse calls. That means that y'all once was 99% right. How they used to tell us in the little referee meetings. We're 99% right now. Y'all like about 85% right?

Y'all lose respect. Y'all like the last no go ahead gil okay so you got it so i've never really had problems with refs so i i you know i always knew their names i uh treated them like humans understanding that there's three refs so that means there's three different personalities they're gonna see the game three different ways right so you just got to figure out um who does what you know this person likes to see the game three different ways, right? So you just got to figure out who does what. This person likes to call the game a little tighter. He likes and ones. He don't like blowouts.

You have to understand the refs. But I compare refs to police, right? When I talk about the overall refs, they're the same as police officers. Right. They use their power like they overuse the power they have. That whistle is like a gun. I love this in my mind. I love that. Right. Those guys are trained to hold their emotions. Not us, right? We are trained.

We're playing. We are in an emotional environment. But you're trying to tell me that I need to hold my emotions down while you get to lose yours. You got to remember, a cop telling you, you should be responsible for this element, and I'm the one that's been trained, and I shoot you. Same thing with a ref. You're telling me that the reason I'm speaking to you is because you're fucking up, and you

missed this call, and you're telling me to calm down. You give me a technical, that means you just lost your cool. You have no skin in this game. You're just supposed to be reffing it. You don't have no skin So the fact that you actually call Technicals lets you really know they are not in control there. They have too much emotions Invested in the game when this is not they didn't come here to see you call the calls You see if not if the calls you see. If not, if I tell you,

hey, fuck you, this and that, you shouldn't even have no problem. It is, you zoned out. You can come back at me, shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? But the fact that you are taking it so personal means you are an emotional man

and you should not have a whistle. Wow. Like, if you go back and listen to to I don't even have to listen to it I can see it who just got the technical Scotty Barnes. Yeah. Yeah, right. I guarantee you that ref Gave him a technical because Scotty Barnes had to say you were cheating or something that had to do with cheating And he got a technical for that. Yeah, I If you ask Scotty Barnes, I guarantee you he said because he had the interview

He didn't say what he said cuz usually by art cuz I was out Yeah, he said something that has to do with cheating as a ref gave him attack Too much power you you have no influence, like this is not your game. They didn't come to see you. You have no emotional involvement in the sport. You are there to ref it. Ref it. Giving people texts and kicking them out

because you can't handle what they say is the problem. Like I'm talking to you because you missed something. Right? You fucked up first. Then I tell you you fucked up. You get mad and give me a technical. So you penalize me for the shit you got wrong, first of all. And that's

like it's... I'm going to read y'all Scott Foster's statement on the Scotty Barnes tech. Who? Scott Foster. That motherfucker. That's the last person that should be... Because it's in line what you saying though He was ejected on one technical foul because he used verbiage that which directly questioned the integrity of the crew. Oh cheating cheating

Motherfuckers are cheating. Yes So Gil you mentioned that the refs are like police so should we give players body cams so we can now release the footage? What'd you really say? Why'd you really get us? Oh. Get that body cam footage. Everybody get mic'd up. Or the refs.

Or the refs have body cams. We should be allowed, what I'm saying is, me cussing at you does what to you? Same thing with a police officer. I'm cussing at you, what is is that threatening your life? What is that doing? They're just I'm Putting out my frustration so me cussing at a ref or clapping How does that like how does that affect you it don't if I'm still a human because but that's what I'm saying but so it's the emotional part of it and that's that's the problem and. And I think the NBA needs to change it.

Because if you are allowed to penalize me for me being human, I should be able to penalize you for being human. Right? So there should be like, you give me a tech motherfucker, I can tech too. I can tech him too. There should be something where a ref can get penalized also by the coaches.

Like, hey, coach. Hey, coach. What do you think? You think he's doing a good job? Penalty? Like, we should be able to, you know, fine him or, you know, give him a technical for that night, too. A lot of people probably don't realize

there's a fine coming with those techs. Now, if you hit that 16 game, you got to sit out a game. That's a game check. So it's fucking with your money. Yeah, it fucks with our money, but that's what I'm saying. We should be able to, like I know they get graded, and that's why some make it to different levels. Like I do understand that, but it needs to be public because you're protecting them just like you protect a cop.

No one sees nothing. No one hears nothing, and the frustration grows. Like I know if you just if you're a referee and you've been fined for 5000 because of the behavior. Me and you don't even need to have a conversation my man. Right. I don't need to have a conversation because I know the bullshit you're doing is being watched. Yes. Right. But if I know you're not getting that then I see you four or five days in a row and you keep giving me text that I mean, that's a problem accountability. Yeah, but I like what be say as far as being human because everything you need to dive into that side of the refs. What part of being human? Is it that you come into a competitive element of sports and try to fit in

with the actual athlete as far as being human, making mistakes, right? But you're not getting penalized the way we are. Like it comes out of our check, right? Every tech, right? But then let's say the team has a penalty for you for a tech. Outside of just getting fined, there's the team penalty, right? So then it's like, well, this ref don't like me. He didn't like me when I was in college

Like I told y'all the story about Being in the game and teammate asking me if I'm with the Kardashian and all that, but I'm asking the ref He's like awesome you on TV. I'm like, is that why I'm not getting no calls, bro Like this is personal right and you look at Joey Crawford Tim Duncan, right? Tim ain't say a word. Sat there on the bench laughing. Yeah, I remember that. Joey Crawford walked past. Bam, bam.

Tim is like, what just happened? Well, Joey didn't like the smirk on your face. Boop. Yeah, that's a bit much. Come on. But when you talk about being human, how deep do we go when you're talking about the ref side? Like how how much leeway do we get him? Well, I mean, I feel like the league the league let that happen though

I mean, I remember before I came in the league Yeah, I was cussed people was cussing out the refs like like it was nothing now It's like you can't even say nothing to him can't even slap your hand So it's just kind of like it's getting soft like it's getting real soft to me. It's it's it's it's a it's just like anything with it With humans, right? We are It depends on how you cuss us out, right? If I'm cussing you out to embarrass you I can see Yeah, where that goes, but I used to cuss them out. I'll put my you when you see Kobe and Mike do this. Oh The worst things are being said.

Stuff that we get, there'll be groups coming out for it. There'll be groups of, you know, and when a player is covering his mouth, but, you know, a referee sees, okay, he is not trying to embarrass me. He wants me to know how he feels. And that's when you really get the let off and they won't take it Personal no matter what you say under that as long as the rest of the world don't see the embarrassment You can really go at them, but you know, but that takes a different type of skill But at the end of the day, there shouldn't be no emo. You guys have no You have no investment here. Yeah, you're the only ones that you are trained to keep your cool.

You're the only ones that you're the last group to lose their cool. Like when I see refs like kicking fans out, like especially in the AAU circuit. Yeah. Like, you know, they'll stop. They'll say something to you. You say something. They'll say something back. And then when you respond, kick him out.

Like, why are you talking to him any motherfucking way? Why are you talking to the fucking father why are you talking to the fucking right right the father because he's left the game he's a good heckler when you're a good heckler yeah then refs can't handle that that's what i'm saying i'm on the app like they shouldn't have then they should if you it's like it's like a comedian if you can't handle the atmosphere stay the fuck out of there like you, you want to ref, like, if you want to ref, like, a simulation game, you know, you can ref from the TV. That's about how, like, but it's, you're in, like, you're supposed to be putting the calmest people in this atmosphere because they can handle the environment.

You're telling us these refs are sitting there kicking players out doing this because they, people are talking. That means they can't handle the situation do not put cops on the street that pretends to be scared just so they can shoot people I'm afraid for my life wait haven't you been maced body slammed you went through all this wait a minute a man with a knife in the car does not scare you what are are you talking about? A man in a wheelchair with a knife, how is he... Kick the fucking wheelchair over. I mean, go behind the wheelchair, run around that... How are you afraid to shoot it?

That doesn't even make sense. How is that even allowed? I was afraid for my life. How are you even... Put it down. Put it down. Put it down. Put it down. Just fucking walk away. Roll it. Roll the wheel. Take off the emergency brake. Put the emergency. Put it down. Just fucking walk away. Roll it. Roll the wheel. Take off the emergency brake.

Put the emergency brake on. There's so many things you can do before you pull it. He's in the wheelchair. What are you afraid of? But that's what I'm saying. They allow the bullshit excuses. How many refs do you think is... What's that one ref that had that altercation that was cheating? Tim Donahue.

Yeah. How many do you think is another ref that's in the NBA right now that's like him? A club of them. I think it's a club of them. I'm not going to collude on it and have people look into it, but something that big happened in the NBA just like it would in the MLB or in soccer games overseas.

Yeah, it doesn't stop. Not with one. If one takes the fall, it's like, oh, let's not look into this no more. It don't happen no more. But we clearly see the discrepancies in certain games where the swing for Vegas hits the numbers. Yeah. Well, this one guy takes this important guy out of the game. Next thing you know, the game is different now. Right.

These are elements that bookies know about. Gamblers know about. Hey, man, this is a game we need Luca out. He gets two technicals before halftime. What? How? Oh, shit. It's Vegas. Right. So we look into it. You say, man could have been we don't know David Stern ain't here no more I'm saying that cover-up. Yeah, it goes back far beyond where we even start paying attention to it So I look at that situation like there's always some dirt under the nails There's always some dirt under the nails, but how far players and coaches and organizations gonna to go diving, looking for that shit? Not far.

Not really, because we're making too much money anyway. And it folks the integrity of the game. When you're a player, impact players, you make too much money for what any bookie can offer you. It's a slap in the face. You throw a game. Oh, yeah, I'll give you $200,000. You know what I mean? So what you have is the easiest group to manipulate is referees.

All you do is just figure out their habits, get inside their habits, then you have them by the balls, right? You want to make a little extra money. You know, if a referee is making $20,000 per, I don't habits, then you have them by the balls, right? You want to make a little extra money. You know, if a referee is making 20 grand per, I don't even, I'm like, they don't make 20 grand per game, right? But if someone offers them 20 grand for this game and says, all right, over under 212, right? The money's on the over.

You would never know. You would never know he rigged that game because he's going to rig it in the favor of the stars. Wow. Right? So now you're playing that game. This is a game you're going to have 40-50 because all I have to do is just blow the whistle every time I think you got touched. You have a three and it's crushing the ball.

And one. Three go in. All I'm doing is just putting points on the board. Free throws. So this is not a game you can see that, oh, this is, you know what I mean? I'm calling and one, and one. You know, that's when you get all of that.

I'm not gonna foul you out, I'm not gonna foul you out. Right, I'm gonna call a bunch of fouls on a whole bunch of people that have no importance to this. I want you to score 40, I want you to score 40, because the number rises. Like if you're a referee and you're talking about point spread, you can see that shit coming from a mile away.

So a guy like Lou Dort is the defensive guy that's gonna stop one of those offensive guys. We gonna put him in foul trouble so that offensive guy can get off. That's when he'll get them quick, easy fouls. Like you can tell when you're trying to you know cover the spread because now it's you're calling like if you're the underdog I'm trying to get the star players and foul trouble so they don't have the rhythm, you know, maybe it's little things like that So just for clarity sake entry-level refs earn about 250 grand a year or can make up to that amount

More season guys are in the 500,000 range so if you say 20,000 that's a month pay now now you now you can see like if it was i don't know if it's leaked or anything but you know even with the david stern and donahue thing, right? The biggest mistake the feds made was letting David Stern know there might be other refs that we're looking into. Woo-woo. Woo-woo.

Right? Talk about it. There's other refs we're looking into. Yeah. There's not just one. We have groups. And David Stern said, oh, you're not going to ruin us.

Gangsta. You think you're going to ruin us? Leak it out. Hey, Scott Foster's been caught. Think about what I just said. They're investigating. Scott Foster is, I mean, not Scott Foster. Donahue is cooperating.

He's going to help us. And you're like, oh, okay. Hey, public, whoo! Hey, you're like, oh, okay. Hey Public who a defense caught Donahue what that make you do Oh Denied deny deny everybody. He's connected with denying denied it 100% They're not picking that nigga phone up no more. So that's what ended up happening. So you isolated him. He becomes the fall guy Wow So Russ called by 82 games a year. Should we think about low management?

Hit him with the low. Wait, how many by 82? Similar what a player is doing a referee does 82 games in well So you what you saying low management mean there would be more refs. No, you got a low manager So some sit down but then you have to bring in more. That's fair. Then that's gonna be even worse cuz then they gonna be worse. Now, now, what ends up happening is this. I don't think a ref should know they're reffing until the day of the game. I like that. So, you so

it should be hubs, right? Like, it should be hubs, right? Like it should be hubs around where, you know, these refs are close enough to these games. Yeah, they're regional, and they don't know until the day of the game. So most Vegas bets where the real sharps are betting, they're betting around 8, 8 in the morning, 6 in the morning when the lines are hitting to about midnight. I mean about noon. That's where you're getting those good lines.

After that, it really don't matter. So what ends up happening is you should wait to about noon, 1 o'clock to let whatever ref know that, hey, this is your region. You're active tonight. I like that. I like that. This nigga smart. This nigga smart.

This nigga smart. Every time I'm on the show, I'm like, he's saying some shit that's like. I learn stuff every day. Hey, bro, that's really smart right there. But let's not. We don't want to throw this out there, but let's not pretend that there's bosses of referees. There's bosses of those bosses.

I mean, you know what I mean? There's levels of control. So it's not... Steve Javy. These motherfuckers ain't thinking on their own. I can tell you that. Javy at the top. Javy at the top.

You're not going to come out there and be rolled. I can tell you that for You're not gonna come out there and be rolled, I can tell you that for fucking sure. For sure. Last question for y'all, we'll keep this quick. The media gets to vote on MVP, regular season awards, post season awards. Should players and coaches get to vote on officials? As far as giving the officials an award?

No, I'm just saying like, yo, these are the ones we rocking with, and if it's universal, like, all right, these players are rocking with. No, I'm just saying like yo, these are the ones we rockin with and if it's universal like I these players are rocking with Referees should get awards Employee of the month their employees, right? Yeah, like any other business ploy in a month. Oh this motherfuckers demoted See they they do it like if you are bad ref like there's some ref that's been 10 years, and they've never got a finals job.

Right. There's a reason the same refs are finals referees. They know how to swing them calls. Mm-hmm. And be good in the moment. Like, I can tell you, I think I mentioned it, but it should have been a bigger deal than it was when Scott Foster was in game three of the Suns and that final game. If we know that Scott Foster and Chris Paul has has a problem.

It's a big problem where Scott Foster could not referee Chris Paul games anymore, right? There was a minute where he couldn't referee, and he comes back for the finals. Chris Paul and them go up two. Game three, Scott Foster was there for game three. They lost. The last game, the deciding game, you put Scott Foster Which which Vegas it swung a hundred percent. Everybody was going for the Suns

For that that game and when they heard Scott Foster was Vegas shifted to the Bucks but as a Commissioner of the league as a head ref Why would you even, why would you put Scott Foster in that position to influence the game itself, right? Because what do you think that did to Chris Paul himself and that team? If Chris Paul is 0 for 11 against this man, what did you just tell him by letting him ref? Hang it up. We lost. Hang it up for tonight.

What do you think the Suns was going to do? When they looked and read, oh my God, look at this, Bush. That's what I'm saying. We have no chance. We have no chance tonight. That's crazy. Let's keep this thing moving.

You brought up the Suns. We got to talk about the biggest news from last night. KD was supposed to make his home debut for the Suns during pregame warm-ups, slipped, ended up suffering what many believe to be a grade 2 ankle sprain. He's going to be out the next four to six weeks, allegedly. So he'll potentially miss the rest of the regular season and some of the playoffs. Gil, do you trust KD to get right in time for his son's playoff run?

Yeah, I do. And I think that's why they're going to, you know, shut him down for the rest of the season just to make sure. I mean, you're talking about a freak accident, right? Going up for a layup and then, you know, he tumbles. Like if I'm them, I'm not taking no chances. You know, I'm not going to, I don't want that ankle to be sore. I want, when he gets, we get into the playoffs,

because they're going to play, they're going to be the playoff team. So when we get in the playoffs, I need everyone healthy. So I don't see him coming back. Maybe the last game but just to get some reps in that you know the last game to get some reps in but you know you have to really take precaution on on that ankle. What do you think? I mean I me me personally. I think every I think every NBA player that has a podcast that is talking is karma.

Like, I just feel like every, if you look at Draymond, like how the Warriors are playing, it's just bad. You look at every player that's talking on the mic, that's talking while they're playing basketball, it's just karma. Patrick Beverly, all of them, they're just having terrible seasons. Or it's just not going their way. Talk about it. Draymond won a championship. Talk about it though, B.

But that's fine. But what I'm saying is, okay, now look, everybody, they just yapping, yapping, yapping. It's like, shut up and just play basketball. What? Yeah. Like, I just, because you're, nothing's working. Like I just, and like, yes, the ankle thing, but I just feel like it's just karma. It's just bad karma.

Like you're just, you're just, you're just putting, like, you're just. You're just throwing everybody under the bus. That person, that person. You're having your opinion. At the end of the day, if I'm a fan, just play basketball. I don't care about nothing you got to talk about about the game, about what's going on. Talk about that shit when you're done. Just talk about it when you're done hooping. I love it, B.

It's a distraction. It's a distraction. But you're right. I mean, you can, like, you're right, but then let's do it across the board, right? Did you want to talk to the media? Did I want to talk? I mean, it's my job. If you didn't have to.

It's my job. But if you didn't, it's my job. It's what I signed up for. It's what I signed up for. But what I'm saying is if you had to pick to talk to the media or not, would you? Yeah, I'm going to talk. I would too.

You would? I'm going to talk. Most players wouldn't. I don't give a fuck what most players can't. No, I don't care. What do I need to talk to you about the game for? If I lost, I don't want to talk to you? Because it's your job.

But you're forcing me to. No, because we're talking to the fans. We're not talking to the media. The media are the people recording the shit But we try and articulate to the fans the questions they have in their minds as they're watching the game They're not asking the question and they're not and but that's the thing Yeah The thing is the question the media are in a lot of media can be accused of having narratives of their right to push right?

So they're trying to push you a certain certain way with a question they ask Yeah, so what ends up happening is the podcast becomes what you you want to talk about versus what you want to ask me about but you know the history of how we've been doing this thing media training becomes a media training because they're going to ask us tough questions the the fans not going to ask us the tough questions they just glad to be talking to us glad they're not talking to us no one's saying oh this question this question came from no he's manipulated hey i heard you i see you two didn't get along together what's going on they're Glad not talking to us. No one's sitting here. Oh this question. This question came from but I don't know He's manipulative. Hey, I heard you. I see you two didn't get along together. What's going on? They're gonna put the narrative in you now. You got an answer when you just lost

Hey, how do you feel about that loss? But the point is to take the middleman out when you go in podcast like he's saying I'm taking it then when you do that, you don't have the energy to like the new media is just I'm not saying that's why He got hurt and I'm not wishing I'm just saying it's just a lot of just extra stuff outside of basketball now like now we gotta like hear hear what he has to say after the game like just just say a little two cents with the media and just go on like that's what I'm saying like like the new media shit is stupid to me do you feel like the fans appreciate that though I mean I'm sure they probably do but I'm just saying it's a lot of like it's a lot of things that come with it,

and nobody's really saying nothing about it. Like, everybody that has a podcast that's a player right now currently, how good of a season are they having? Like, is it going smoothly? Is it going smoothly? But my question to you would be, I'm just asking. I'm just saying, if I got the team. I mean, Paul George got one, right?

He just got one. Okay, he just got one. Okay. Okay, Patrick Beverly, he got one. He just got one. Okay. Okay. Patrick Beverly. He got one. Okay. He didn't do nothing with the Lakers.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who was really interviewing Patrick Beverly, though? So he can, you know, he. No, no, no. I mean, he has a voice. I mean. I mean, I like Pat. I like Pat.

But I'm just. I like all these guys. What I'm saying is, it's just the new media. It's just like you taking away from like – you're just adding on extra stuff. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, because now it's like none of these guys that have podcasts are – I mean, it's up and down season.

So you're saying it's the focus. It's the focus. They're not focused on – It's the focus. It's just like you're taking too much – do your thing outside of basketball, but when it comes to the media, let the media do their thing. Ten minutes on the podcast, 30 minutes.

Think about our whole day. Okay, so I mean, okay. Our whole day. Okay, so Draymond Green going back at Dylan Brooks. Like, he don't even need that attention, like, to me. I feel like you're giving Dylan Brooks too much, like, he's not even, like, he can watch out. It's extra cap. But, no, no, no. like what he can watch out It's better cap, but yeah, he's kept like Dylan watch out like bro. Watch out I was gonna be different doing it on a pod versus doing it to me when the media says they wouldn't have to do it in

The media is what he's gonna ask you the question man. I can say Dylan watch out I got comment on my Dylan But what I'm saying is the media is asking the same question. So what he's doing is I'm not going to answer him with you. Why? I'm going to answer it myself because you're going to put your own narrative on it. You're just going to put a soundbite, right? You might have your own whole.

You gave me five minutes. I took three words from you and then wrote my own opinion. You know, that's what the media does. It's not like they work word for word and they write their own opinion of what you just said. But the difference is you saying it on your podcast ain't no excuse for the soundbite. Me saying it to the media can say, hey, you took that out of context. I didn't mean it like that. On my podcast, everything I just said, I got to stand on.

Yeah. But why would you put yourself in that predicament when you can literally stay under the radar, hide from whatever subliminal messages you really have, and just – But that's what he wants. How many times have you done an interview? Why do the players think they're bigger than the media, though?

No, it's not. They're better. They're not bigger. We're not bigger than the media. Who make more bread? No, what I'm saying is we're not bigger than the media, but we you can't spin my narrative now Alright, right Alright, like think about when we're in a locker room when we're in a locker room if I say something

Right and I'm saying something and you write and you look how many times have you looked in the paper and you like I didn't Wait, man. Hold I didn't say this shit like this Right. We've done it. I didn't say this shit like this. Right? We've done it. I didn't say this. Now you got to go address him. Now y'all got this little riff. Everything he writes about you going forward is old. And then the next day, I'm going to see him.

And I'm going to let him know about it. And then you have that Jason Williams. You remember Jason Williams? Y'all don't remember Jason? White chocolate? Yeah. When he took the pen out of the, you can't write no more. Nobody answer him shit.

That's where that shit comes from. I'd rather have that with the media guy, and now he know what's up. Like, I could just go to him. If somebody misquote me, then I'm going to just see him the next day, and you know what time it is. But the problem is you're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one.

You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one.

You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one.

You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one.

You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. You're talking one-on-one. Brandon's selfish play has lost, you know, that's where that shit starts coming. Okay, and then I'm going to see him next day, I'm going to be like, yo, why'd you say that? Like, and now you can't say nothing to me. Right. Now you can't ask me no questions. You? Yeah.

But now, but the problem is, you turn into difficult. Brandon Jennings is difficult. We not rock with you. I'm not giving you a postseason award because you won't answer my questions. You know, you know, see, you already know how to do us. I get it, but it's just like, I just feel, okay, at the end of the day, I just feel like it's just a distraction. That's just my point. It's a distraction when players who are currently playing have a podcast.

It's a distraction from what they really got to do. Because now you're putting, you're adding just more pressure on yourself. And then when you don't live up to it, now it's like, now everybody's really talking, well, if he just, well, if he doesn't have a podcast, if he just, you know, do this, then, you know, maybe he'll be more focused on the game. And it's like you're giving people more leverage.

You give more reason to talk while you're playing. That's all. But on the opposite side of that, Draymond Green had a podcast and he won a championship. No, for sure. But how is it working now? You know what I mean? I'm just saying.

But how is it working now? I mean. But is that a Draymond podcast? I like it like this. Oh, no. Is the championship because of the podcast? No. All right.

So the podcast was something to give him leverage of just kind of doing. So you can't use the podcast against him because they're not winning. All I'm saying is let it be across the board. If I can't have a podcast, then I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be like, like push to do interviews if I don't want want to right. Okay, right. I don't think any players are Oh, it's the time layers find is you get fine. But it's the top players who are responsible No, they're having those conversations after the game responsible for that court when you when you have y'all looked at your paychecks, it's off of

82 games 82 games. 82 games. Not 82 games and these many interviews. It's 82 games. Two games. What's the sentence? I get paid per game. I don't get paid per practice. I don't get paid talking to the media.

That's some extra shit that they put on you that you have to do Or they find you because just like just like Rasheed Wallace Yeah, both both got cuz you are forced to do it But you know why because majority of the players wouldn't every team every player that lost you had a bad game You don't want to fucking talk. Hey, so tell us, you just finished talking. But it's part of it. Now, Marshawn Lynch.

I'm just there. I'm here so I don't get fined. But that's the answer for what you're saying. You're fining me. You don't have to answer the questions. You don't. Both teams play hard. That's it. Both teams play hard. Leave me alone. He got fined $'t. I literally go, both teams play hard. Yep, that's it. Both teams play hard. Leave me alone. He got fined

$50,000 for that. Both teams play hard. $50,000. So he knew that. He didn't know that. He knew he was going to get it because he kept doing it. He didn't know he was getting fined. He kept doing it. Because he thought that was he thought that's what he can do. And he looked at that check and said, I'm going to stop doing this shit. And then he's like, nah, I don't want to.

Here, Rip, go. Start doing that. Like, I just want to play the game. I don't want to talk to you goofies. Hey, you missed those two free throws. How do you feel? Bitch, how do you think I feel? Why are we? But we professionals, though.

But you're saying it to a male reporter, right? No, but that's what I'm saying. But you see the stupid of an interview after a player played. Like, I'm still in my emotions. You're coming in five, ten minutes after it happened. Like, if you want me to talk as the NBA, can you at least wait about 30 minutes before you allow them in? Let the game have calmed down. No, Gil.

No, we watched Michael Jordan do it. As I'm saying, Michael Jordan. Everybody we watched come up, we watched them handle interviews in the most pressure situations. That helped us politically correct, answer these questions the way we knew as far as professionals. Who did we see? Mike and Kobe. Mike and Kobe on ABC, ESPN, the few times we've seen them? No. When have we seen

them after a game against the Pistons? Show me an interview, a game against the Pistons right in the locker room. Still got to come through Chicago. When he got his shirt off. Still got to come through Chicago. Still got to come through. It don't matter how many games we lose. We're not talking about the podium. We're talking about when the game is over. Not when he

had an hour to shower, think about his concept. We're talking about when the game is over. Not when he had an hour to shower, think about his concept. We're talking about as soon as the game is over, you still naked. Hey, yeah, so you got body slammed four, five times. Talk about it. Like, bitch, like, come on. But see, the important interview has already happened with you out on the court. Because you just killed, they interviewed you. I won.

And boom, boom, boom. Yeah, yeah. I killed the hell out of them. So you go do your shower, right? And you like, I know I got a couple more questions to answer, but these questions are going to be the bullshit questions. I'm talking about the losers. Even the losers. I never seen a loser get interviewed on the court.

Well, not on the court. But when you in that locker and you just lost and you know you got to answer them questions, you know I got to put on my question-answer face. I got to literally be professional. I know they're going to ask me some stupid ass. They do it every game. Exactly. So why wouldn't I be professional enough to just handle that?

Especially if it's five or ten minutes. Now think about it. Now think about it now since the fans are hearing what you just said. Why the fuck do I wanna listen to an interview from an NBA player if I know exactly what you're gonna do? Put on a fake face and tell me some bullshit that has nothing to do with your real feelings.

Well we gotta work to that. How does that help me understand you? And now you see why our voices are important now. Because they finally get to hear from us directly. Because during the game, during the season, we're putting on a fake face to answer these questions. So they're not getting no real answers. So what's wrong with answering the questions, though?

Because we're not giving them no real answers. Are you giving them real answers on the podcast? Yeah. We're talking to each other. But what I'm saying is... But you're controlling your own narrative. No, no, but what I'm saying is we're talking to each other. We're understanding each other. We're giving

real information of what we go through. I did an interview with Kevin Durant, right? Yeah. He does interviews six, seven, eight years. They still don't know nothing about the man. I mean, you don't know how many kids he has. You don't know if he's married.

You don't know his favorite color. You don't know what he likes to eat. You don't know how many hours he works out and shoots. No one asked these questions in our locker room. Because that's not what we care about. That's not what they care about. I know. That's not what we're here for. From the media. The media not there for that. Who are you selling your brand to? The media or the fans?

Both. No. Both. No. The media is the one that pushed it out to the fans. Exactly. So you got to contribute to both of them. Exactly. So you gotta contribute to both of them. They're pushing it out to the fans.

And now we're pushing it out to the fans. I got you. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. But you have your own platform now. 20, 30 years ago, we didn't have social media, right? So to be able to interview any of you guys back in those times, that's how I was disseminating that message to the masses.

Now, you can go straight from your Twitter, yo, I'm retiring, yo, this, whatever it may be. Power to pin. And you still hitting the fans that's going to buy your products and do whatever. Where these dudes could literally fuck up your bag with how they spend shit. And now people are like, damn, Brandon Jennings is an asshole. I read this article. I'm quiet as shit.

I don't do nothing. I read this article. But why are we ducking the hard questions? Because the fans on the podcast and you talking, creating your own narrative, is not going to ask yourself hard questions in an interview. Yeah, that's the thing. Like yesterday, the question they asked Westbrook, they had Westbrook go, man, you tripping, man, what?

Like that question was a hard question, but it was a dumb one. It was like. did they win this game or did y'all lose? Yeah, something like that. And it's like, did I win? Did we win or did we lose? Like, what? You just asked a stupid question. Just like the guys, hey, what does KD stand for?

So you answered that question, KD. It's Kevin, you know my name, right? Yeah. Alright, look. You got one more question forD. It's Kevin, you know my name, right? Yeah. All right. Look, you got one more question for me. Now you have an attitude. That's fine. No, now you have an attitude.

I'm allowed to. I'm allowed to. Now that's the narrative I'm going to write. You are difficult. We just lost. You're a difficult player to deal with. Now you see the narrative I just pushed to the masses. Yeah, but the next game will we win?

So when your contract is coming up, what is the narrative on you? It depends on the next game we win. And I'm nice to that same guy who wrote me off. Now he got to change it. He got to change again. Do they do?

Do they? Sometimes they do. But does he though? Sometimes. Did y'all watch the interview? Hold on. Did y'all watch that interview with Russell Westbrook?

There was an interview Russell Westbrook did, right? And you can tell he didn't fuck with this one dude, right? So the dude is asking a question, you don't even want to look at him. He'll say something quick, boom, right? And then somebody else asks a question, you know, he'll go, then this guy's irritating him.

Then a girl asks him something, say, oh, there was this play you did, and like, I don't know if it was, what's the name, it was an amazing play. Did you see his face? Because he was being praised. No, she just, she had something to say that was positive. So what I'm saying is his whole demeanor changed, right? Oh,

thank you. I appreciate it. You know, just sometimes I go out there and boom, boom, boom. You asked another question just after she he just walks out. I'm not dealing with, like, why are you trying to make me look stupid at my job? Because you have an opportunity to look good at your job by making me look stupid for asking stupid questions. You don't look stupid because at the end of the day, your version of it goes national.

Mine don't. If you're politically correct in answering those questions as Russ did with the lady, like, oh, thank you. Oh, I wish more people would, you know, praise me like this, but then it's like the hard question comes right after that. What was the hard question? You mean a dickhead question? Yes, the hard question.

That is not a hard question, it's just a dickhead question. It's hard for you to answer it if you're not gonna be emotional. You can't be emotional in your response. Be professional. And that professional response is... I'm going to go back... You know what? I'm not going to... Next question.

I'm going to look at all his interviews. Next question. I'm going to go back and look at all his interviews and see... Next question. Media trainer. Next question. Next question. I just feel like when you have your own podcast and you want your own narrative, I'm not getting

the real you because you answering what you want to answer. Ooh. I mean, that's... So, me... What's the difference you want to answer. Oh I mean, that's it. So so what's the difference? Because that's not I mean, you don't know the questions. I mean, so you basically like okay Well here ask me the questions out and I'm an answer It's like no, I want to ask I want to I want to ask you some real shit But if you if you know and you can have the narrative it's like well You're just gonna give your narrative and it's just, well, I'm not really getting the real you. Then, then, then, then.

I'm not getting the real you because it's like, oh, well, here, oh, no, just don't ask me nothing that they will ask me. I'm gonna just ask me what I wanna talk about. It's like, well, I'm not really getting the real you. Like, I'm just sitting up here. I'd rather you then, if we're gonna do it like that, then when you do an interview,

you should be able to put it out in the real form. You should not be able to manipulate it with your opinion. Okay. You got to remember, the paper is their opinion. Yep. It's written in their version of it. So if they can write it in their version, then you should be able to write it in your version of your netter So if you're saying you don't want my my narrative to protect my image then our interview should be exactly like this No editing know your opinion say hey, this is the question I asked you

This is how he answer it. So all media should have recorders no more pin, right? Okay, because you're not do though. No, but they chopped the clip. Yeah, whatever. Because your pin. A lot of them do, though. No. But they chop the clip to whatever that clip they want. Don't chop nothing. Don't chop nothing. Okay. Write it as it is. Keep it original. Show it as it.

No, no. There's some media that don't even have video. Yeah. They're using it here. Yeah. Like Daily News, Daily Star, New York Times, whatever. The beat writers. The beat writers.

That shorthand, I never wrote with that shorthand. Like, what the fuck is this? Shorthand, write a four. You done worked them scribbles. Yeah, you wrote four minutes. I done wrote four lines. And yeah. But that's what makes you a good player

that interviews with the media by knowing this is the guy with the notepad, this is the guy with the camera and the recorder. I mean, I was media trained, so they couldn't do that with me. I'm going to take my shower first. I wasn't. I wasn't. I'm a tough crowd. I'll just say whatever. I didn't I wasn't I'm a tough crowd. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I was I didn't care

My hey, right, whatever you want. I was sound by team and I love the sound. I'll say I'll say some crazy funny shit I was part of the new media then I had my own diary for the NBA blog Okay, okay take that word back before you yell out blog it was called a diary. Okay, okay. Take that word back. Before you yell out blog, it was called a diary. It was a player diary. Like the slam joints, but like a little book you got. Yeah, it was like a weekly diary. Did you have to make like 100,000 shots? Huh?

Didn't you have a diary when you had to make like 100,000? No, I just said that in Did you have it on your nightstand next to the bed no no, no, we're just you know you but that's what it's called It was in the it was in the NBA calm. It was it was a category then they turned it into a blog And that's what it was, but it was original It was a player dies about four of us and then I just used to say some wild, funny shit that happened that week in games. So we talked about Draymond. Now we got to go zero to 100 real quick.

See how that works? This is getting so exciting. I get excited with the graphic. It's the little things. There's the little things. I get excited with the graphic. So Draymond, so Dylan Brooks went in on Draymond a few days ago.

In his late edition of the Draymond Green Show, Draymond, so Dylan Brooks went in on Draymond a few days ago in his late edition of the Draymond Green Show. Draymond clapped back. So Brooks said, his game is cool with Golden State, but if you put him anywhere else, you're not going to know

who Draymond is. And Draymond responded, if you ever wondered why the Memphis Grizzlies is not ready to compete for a championship, look no further than this idiot right here. They're actually depending on this guy to help compete for a championship. Look no further than this idiot right here.

They're actually depending on this guy to help them win a championship. And he says his game is cool. Quite frankly, that just shows how little you know about basketball. And yet, y'all, you running around talking about a dynasty? The dynasty starts after you. Not with you. I'm trying to figure out why they like you in Memphis. Or do they like you in Memphis. Or do they like you in Memphis?

So that's why you, yay, lay, lay. Hey, that's why you need a podcast. He could have said that to the media. You think the media, wait, hold on. You think the media was going to write it like that? No, we can hear it like that. We got the audio. He would have set that on camera.

They would not have put it out exactly like that. You know damn well. That's why you need your own voice so you can really cut a play up. Everything is in real time. Think about you. You got your own camera and you can go at your own. The person you don't like. You get the slicing.

It's uncensored. It's uncensored. For sure. For sure. I just feel like Draymond got four rings. And that, he don't need a tip. He's a young guy. He don't know.

I know. Sometimes you got to, you know. But is he preparing for that next step in life? Like, Draymond, talk about getting the TNT chair or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. For sure. But I mean.

And he can get a nice back from the volume. Draymond Green Show, we appreciate you for the clip. He can get a nice back from the volume, Draymond Green show. We appreciate you for the clip. He can get a nice back from the volume in the process of doing what he's already doing. For sure. But I just feel like Dylan Brooks can watch all the way out. He can just watch out. It's not even like he can watch out. I know, but the fact that it is here, I'll like it better coming so we heard it

just like this versus coming from a writer that he can get that same tone But Draymond is at a level where he'd be he's on the pet. He's on the What was it where they do the interview? Oh He's on the panel. So it's like you could have said that right there and I would have hit way harder deal You think about it like this though now you do that on ESPN, right? Yeah, now they get the bread for that because they're running all the videos, running all the clips. They're basically eating off you. If they're about money.

But I'm just saying, now if you do it as Draymond, you get to control the narrative. You can control exactly what you say, put it out, and now they got to come to you to run that clip. Every time you talk with the media, you are controlling the narrative. No, you don't. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. It's what you say.

When you're talking live, you are controlling the narrative. Oh, you mean on the podium? Yeah, on don't. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. It's what you say. When you're talking live, you are controlling the narrative. Oh, you mean on the podium? Yeah, on the podium. And he's in... Wait, is that live? Is that live? It's in real time.

Sometimes. It's in real time. So I just feel like... I mean, listen, if it's about money and ESPN, whatever, getting the money, that's fine. But at the end of the day, I just feel like it hit harder when it's on that panel. It's petty. It's petty. It's petty.

We like petty. I love it. You know we love petty. Oh yeah, we love petty, for sure. But what we've seen Draymond just do was like B say, man, get Dylan out of here. He don't even deserve this energy. So you being petty just addressing him because you've already punched a teammate. You were extra sensitive and emotional for anybody coming at you, bro.

I wouldn't be surprised if a nigga came at me. I like Draymond to a certain extent. It's just a bunch of, like, if you got a riff with a nigga on another team, have a riff with him. But when you start being petty because he say something, and you know it's like Jay-Z and Jim Jones. Jay-Z like man Jim there should be some kind of panel for you to be

able to come at me because I'm me you you. Draymond feel the same way like I'm me you're you you shouldn't even be allowed to say anything to me. So it's petty for Draymond to even go back at him. It's like now it's petty show. Now it's the petty

show. But Jay-Z always I mean it's fun to go back at him. Not at a now it's petty show. Now it's the petty show. But Jay-Z have always... Yeah, I mean it's fine to go back at him. I had a guy like Jimmy. Jimmy didn't feel like Jimmy was well off or high enough to even come at me. He's like, that's like the 14th man on the bench saying LeBron James is a bum. Boo! He's a bum. He's like... But this is like Jay going at 50 cent back in the day. No, he's just going to give his quick little line and keep it moving. That's all Dylan Brooks is not 50 cent. But this is pretty 50 really exploding. Yeah, that's what made 50 explode

What the fuck is 50 cents I'm about a dollar what the fuck is 50 cents was that before That was before 50 at the first came before the first joint. No, that was the first. 50 did some like mixtape thing. Talking about like how to rob. How to rob. How to rob, yeah. I got you. I got you.

So question for y'all. Zero to 100, what are the chances that Dylan Brooks gets the last laugh on Draymond? Zero. Zero. Zero. Zero. Can we pull them together and it's a one? Zero. Zero. Zero. It's not even happening. He not even gonna get his last lap at the end of his career. He ain't gonna get it within the next

But Grizzlies beat the Warriors For ring they got to do it four times and when the chair he needs four rings Dylan can't get a chuckle out of this shit. He can't even what I'm saying is he needs to shut him up You need four rings before he even says, oh, okay, all right. I'll listen to him. Yeah, okay, all right. He got me.

He got me. Follow up for y'all. I didn't even know who Dylan Brooks was until he started like, seriously. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's Ja. I mean, he wasn't no killer killer,

but he was cool. He's not a dog. Lay. Lay. Lay. Lay. Lay. Lay. Yeah, we knew Bane because that was the you know, that's the running mate with a jaw. So, you know, it's you know you All right, so got the follow-up for you gentlemen Draymond green first ballot Hall of Famer Yep, yes, no. Yeah. Yep. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Why

championships for individual awards to Because because you bow that Hall of Famer because of championships Championships for individual awards to because because he's about that Hall of Famer because of championships championships add to it, but defensive player of the year. I want to say like seven times. He tried to take a selfie like this or the whole group and like, you're not supposed to be doing that was before this.

So what? So what I'm I don't think oh my God Google. Oh, you do you like did you do you know? See how you just brought that back into the second. I God. Do you know what Google- Did you see how he just brought that back into the segment? No, I'm saying do you know what Google is though? All right. Because, ah, Google. You know, you can keep-

Draymond Green, based on stats, is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Yep. And the other thing I'll throw out- There's some people in the Hall of Fame, their stats are way, that's not good either. Not good. So are we basing Hall of Fame careers the stats are way, that's not good either. Not good. So we're basing Hall of Fame careers on stats. For all stars. But when you do Hall of Fame,

you gotta take the entire basketball career, so your entire resume. So what he did in college, All-American, Big Ten player of the year. No, no, no, that's not how it works. I promise you. It is how it works. I'm dealing with it right now.

My dad's been a fine as luck. It's called a body of work. Okay. So it's your basketball body of work. Yeah, I don't care about his college. Because it's not the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. I don't care about his college. Okay, so for a 35th pick overall, four-time All-Star, steals champ.

Did you say four-time All-Star? Four-time All-Star. Like Powell Gasol? Yep. Okay. Just keep going. Just keep going. Steals champ.

Four-time NBA champ. Two-time all-NBA player. Seven-time all-defensive player. One defensive player of the year. And if you go college, NABC national player of the year. I don't think you need it. I'm just saying.

I don't think you need it. I think we proved that point. Seven-time all-defensive player. Seven-time. Yeah. Dray we proved that point. Seven-time all-defensive player. Seven-time. Yeah. Draymond's a dog, man. Seven-time. Yeah, he's no different than, like, the Dennis Rodman side of the Hall of Fame.

I was about to say that. I was just about to say that. You got to remember, just like us offensive players, there's a defensive side that they worry about the defensive part. So that's where his stats, That's where his so scoring titles Defensive title, you know what I mean? That's well, I mean if J mine's a Hall of Famer I'm all of those things Yeah, I'm always I keep playing I'm a fucking Hall of Fame.

You gotta remember so his career stats offensively is eight seven and five. You get in the Hall of Fame with that. No, you get in the Hall of Fame because he's a like even if you take you said it was team award. No what I'm saying if you those things you're naming off for team award. No, okay. Let's take away the championships. You are a Steel's, not a guard.

What year was that? 2016, 2017. Steals champ. Steals. Okay. Champ. Who was the closest? I don't know.

They don't got runner-ups. Exactly. We don't have a runner-up. Two steals a game. So he's a steals champ, also defensive player of the year, seven-time all-defense, right? We ain't got to do no championships, seven-time All-Defense, right? We ain't got to do no championships. Two-time All-Star. I mean, four-time All-Star,

two-time All-NBA player. Just the defensive side alone, he's in the Hall of Fame, for sure. Is he a better defender than Andre Iguodala? Yep. Why? It says seven times All-Defense. Because they gave him those accolades, right?

So he's on those lists, right? There you go Rashad did just defend or to help support your case Ben Wallace didn't get first ballot. He was four-time defensive player to you four-time four-time. There's three more It's three. Yes three more. No, just defensive player to you. Yes for the other one has three more. No, just defensive player of the year. He has four. The other one has three more. No, bro. That's all NBA. Not defensive player of the year four times. Ooh. Yes.

Not first ballot. And he won a championship. Won. He won one. Draymond got four. Team awards. Yeah, but you know, Golden State don't win the rings. Like, was Rodman?

Golden State don't win the rings without Draymond, though. Was Rodman first ballot? Rodman was first ballot, right? I think so. Yeah. He has eight all NBA defense. Golden State don't win the rings without Draymond, though. Was Rodman first batter? Rodman was first batter, right? I think so. Yeah. He has eight all-in defense. He don't win the rings without Draymond. If you want to compare him to a player, it's Rodman.

But what he lacks in the rebounds, Rodman lacked in assists. Assists. But it's team. This is all team, though, right? Because Rodman with the Pistons handled the ball a little more than he did with the Bulls. Rodman was the second year, according to our voice of God in the ear. Who wants to remain nameless until we reveal

like the mad singer. I'm gonna stand on the other side, just because I ain't never considered Draymond to be that type of player. I feel like he was on the team that got enough credit for the pieces that put into the pot. The offensive piece, you gotta remember, there's offensive pieces and there's

Defensive pieces you work. We're offensive players. So we don't value I do this defense Cuz you have to because as an offensive player you got to understand the defenses as the great offensive player You have to be a great defensive player. You don't have to play great You gotta gotta know your shit. So on that dynamic, like I got to know how good of a defender Draymond Green is. I respect his defense, but that alone outside of being picked on these all defensive teams, I don't see him as a Hall of Famer like a Ben Wallace or a Dwight Howard. When you talk about defense blocking niggas shots, make him up a twist. They come on man.

That's not he can switch off in the pick and roll. He can guard other guards, but he's 65 and we got poor big man out there to nag. Oh, this is a mismatch. Clearly. Why are we not taking advantage of this? Ben Wallace first team. I mean, it was Ben Wallace first team? Ben Wallace is better than Ben Wallace. Ben Wallace is not first ballot. Ben Wallace is better than Ben Wallace for sure. No way. Yes he is.

No way. Yes he is. Draymond Green is better than Ben Wallace for sure. Basketball player? Basketball player? Draymond Green is better than Ben Wallace for sure. Basketball player? Yeah.

That's not even close. Ben Wallace didn't get to show his true potential outside of what he was capable of. Draymond Green can guard. He played his position. Draymond Green can guard. He played his position. Draymond Green can guard every position on the court. But Draymond Green can't do nothing outside of that. Outside of what?

What? Passing, getting it. He's let Golden State in assists every year. He has to. What do you mean? Because none of them other motherfuckers pass the ball. What are y'all talking about? What are we talking about? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

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This is what we need you to do. That's not what they needed him to do. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's the only thing he could do. That's all he could do. He was the 35th pick He wasn't even part of this rotation because we knew what he could do. That's why we picked him at 35 You didn't He ain't the player that he came out to be that he is now

That's why he went 35 if Bay Ray Ma was as good as he is, the John saying he is Hall of Famer, he would have went higher, right? No. Why not? Because he went to a team that they recognize. They recognize. How far down?

You went to 35. That means that you skipped all these picks. You know Jokic is a second round pick? Yes. He's international. No one sees the potential. He didn't go to college. No one sees the potential. He didn't go to college. No one sees the potential.

He didn't go to college. That don't matter. You went to Michigan State. You went to Michigan State. You went to Michigan State. Genovi's a second round pick. You went to Michigan State. I was a second round pick.

Where'd you go to college, Gil? Rasheed. Arizona. You went to Arizona. Final four. What happened? What did Rasheed do? Went to the championship.

Look, all that shit. I was him. Look, you were. But why did you go second round, Gil? I seen it. Because I was a tweener. Why did you go second round, Gil? I seen it. Because I was a tweener. Why did you go second round, Gil? Because I was a tweening guard.

What are the reasons why? Tweening guard. I mean, we can say, oh, my behavior, but I was a tweening guard. Okay, so we could say that. Those are reasons why you went second round. But that don't have nothing to do with my talent. But Draymond Green went second round because they didn't see the talent. Okay.

So what I'm saying is Hall of Fame, Draymond Green went second round because they didn't see the talent. Okay. So what I'm saying is they didn't aim Draymond. They doesn't carry over from 35. They pick 35. They did think about what you're saying. They didn't see the talent. He was not part of this roster. He's a 35 pick like every other pick right in practice. Steph.

Steph. Clay are watching how he's playing it. He's manipulating this second unit. He is helping this second unit compete with us. So they decided, hey, hold on. Bogut goes out. Hey, Draymond, let's try Draymond. And Draymond is fitting in.

He is the perfect piece that Those two guys need it because you gotta remember if clay doesn't get the ball from him. Where's the problem? These two that's what I've been saying. So when so he becomes if you on another team We don't know because you fit so perfectly here. He's gonna go to another he's gonna go He doesn't have other two guys like these two guys. He's going to figure it out, though. He's a smart player. We know how good he is. We know how smart he is.

But we're talking about situations, bro. So if we put him with Luka and Kyrie... He's not doing the same thing? Pick and roll with Luka. Get it. Kyrie. Boom. That's what he does best. That's Robert Horry, right? He fed in everywhere he went because what was needed?

He was the guy that they needed. Bro, but we're talking about Draymond. Yes. Yes. Let's move on. Come on. Like Ben Wallace couldn't fit into every situation he played in. Why not?

Because they was fucking losing until they got Rasheed Wallace. Isn't that a situational player put into a position to help the team win? What was Rasheed Wallace great at that took the relief off of Ben? Being a leader. And? A shooter. No. He blocked shots and rebounded.

Defensively, Rasheed Wallace was skilled and great enough to guard the five men, which Ben Wallace was having a problem with because he was undersized. What that did was, because Rasheed was great at on-the-ball defense, Ben Wallace got to do what he naturally can do. Roam. Play the roam game. Second clean up man. Help.

Get back. Clean. Back. Help. He didn't have to. Average 15 boards, bro. Average 15 boards. Why?

Because he doesn't. Because he's a rebounder. He doesn't have to worry about boxing Shaq out no more. Rasheed, I got it. Get it. But that is not when he was averaging that. He was averaging that before Ras that before she look at the stats Look it up. When I went when it's cold. When did he get better?

When did his when did we notice Ben Wallace when they had a championship when she got there because the team got there highlighted his ability Now he's more dangerous because he doesn't have to focus on Shaq. He don't have to focus on Shaq. This man, Red, he is hurting me. I'm too little for him. Rasheed is like, I got him. Get him on the back side. I'm going to push him your way.

You get him on the back side. Don't help. Don't help. Don't help. Stay home. Stay home. You're talking about Miami Shaq, right? No, Lakers Shaq.

No, Lakers Shaq. No. When they beat the Lakers. She wasn't with Detroit with the Lakers. I mean, you know what I mean? Take the crown off. My bad. My bad, I'm not that bad. Take the crown off. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. Glued on, that shit glued on.

That was the one. That was that one year that I'm talking about. That one year. But Ben did win two defensive player of the year. Before that, bro. Before, do you see that? Do you see that deflection? Nobody paid attention to it.

Everybody paid attention to it. But what I'm saying is. That's defensive player of the player, you have to. It made the team that much better defensively. That's when they was holding people. Before that, that's when they was holding people to 70 a game. But he got two defensive player of the year awards before the team was assembled. And he was still Ben Wallace.

He wasn't Ben Wallace. Two-time defensive player of the year still Ben Wallace. He wasn't Ben Wallace. Two-time defensive player of the year. Ben Wallace. Before the Pistons got together. Ben Wallace became the real Ben Wallace when he got put back into his natural state. So we discredited him to two before. What did he have, two? Is it?

He had four. Four total. He had two before and two after. Two with Sheed, two with Sheed. And then what else happened after that? He? He had four. Four total. He had two before and two after. Two with Rasheed, two with Sheed. Uh-huh. And then what else happened after that? When Rasheed got- He got 65 million, went to Chicago and retired.

After Rasheed, yeah. After Rasheed. And retired after that. After Rasheed, right. Spirit of- After Rasheed, right? Rasheed made that motherfucker highlighted. No, they broke the team up.

Mm-mm. They broke the team up. Two years, three years later. They broke the team. Chauncey left for AI and they broke the team up. Two years later. Mm-hmm. Well, that was a spirited show. That's a great. They broke the team. Chauncey left for AI, and they broke the team. Two years later. Mm-hmm. Well, that was a spirited show.

That's a great way to end the week. That ain't no goddamn show. This is live. Gil, you went hard. We went for about a good hour, seven minutes. We know our fans have other things to do with their life. They love this show. Oh, they goddamn don't. I don't know where we're going to be.

They don't have no sense. They're going to be in that goddamn chat, chatting with us. Yes. I hope they comment, like, and subscribe. We can't get enough of this show, man. Look, we got the hostile territory over here. It's a tough crowd. It's a tough crowd out here, man.

Shit. What was your last question? What? What was your last question? Mostly fans. I see it. I was trying to say it for next week. I see mostly fans right now. I was trying to stretch it, but I got to ask, because people want to know, Gil. They said, are you drinking the Capri Sun on the show? I'm going to pull it.

Hold on. I'm going to give you... No, no, no. It's water. Susosu water. Susosu. Susosu water. Yeah, yeah. I'm drinking water.

I'm drinking water, y'all. Spell it. How do you say that? Susosu. How you saying it?. How you saying it? Su-su-su-su-su. S-u-s-o-s-u. Oh, sound like Worcestershire sauce. That sound like Japanese Capri Sun. That's what they saying. Worcestershire sauce?

Korean hydrated fused water. Okay. Korea? The Korea plug. Okay. We out here doing it. We international. Got to try some of that water.

Now go ahead and ask them. They wanna know don't want to know the North or South Korea The clean part Y'all figure it out and they want to know Rashad do you wear that crown everywhere? Do I wear everywhere everywhere? I used to I used to wear I Flew to Abu Dhabi with it. I've been in Kuwait with it. They literally opened up the security checkpoints for me. It's an amazing thing that happens.

See they ask you, they say, what does the crown do? What you got the crown on? I said, man, what you mean what did the crown do? What do Harry Potter do? What you got the crown on? I said, man, what you mean, what did the crown do? What do Harry Potter do? Harry Potter does magic, don't he? Right? Yeah, that's what this thing do. When she gets you one, you start seeing how the world change for you.

You start moving. You start moving different. Hey, man, what the hell is that on your head, bro? Black people hate it. White people love it. It's just weird. It's a weird dynamic. White people like, yo, the king is in the building.

Black people like, what the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell? The hell you got that damn crown? It better be your birthday. It better be your birthday. Yeah, that's real. This is crown chakra. This is for my crown chakra. Keep me balanced in the inner. You know what I'm saying?

And it's a hat with a hole in it. It's just a hat with a hole in it. Y'all be tripping. Don't be tripping on me. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. See, we almost missed this. And Brandon, are we going to bring the dog back? The dog is coming every week.

It's coming every week. Every week. Every week. Every week. Every week. It's coming every week. Every week. Every week. Every week. Freedom. Freedom. Well, this has been another Gills Arena presented

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