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Episode Date: March 18, 2026

Victor Wembanyama Is In The Pursuit Of GREATNESS as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew return to studio to react to Wemby continuing to publically share his aspirations to become the greatest hooper of all time as the San Antonio Spurs superstar offered some insight into his mentality for the rest of the season by stating he is gunning for NBA MVP & DPOY and debate the Spurs ceiling as one of the best teams in the league enters the NBA Playoffs with nearly no big game experience. They then react to Russell Westbrook adding another milestone to his illustrious NBA Career as the former NBA MVP moved into the top 5 all time in career assists and break down what this achievement means to his legacy. They then give their takes on the NBA's plans to explore league expansion at the end of this season and discuss what markets make sense to become the NBA's new franchises. Finally, they react to Joel Embiid officially missing more games in his NBA Career than he played and debate where the Philadelphia 76ers big man ranks amongst NBA Centers before reacting to Anthony Edwards going down with a knee injury, discussing if this injury will limit the Minnesota Timberwolves chances in the NBA Playoffs. PLEASE Give us a LIKE and SUBSCRIBE!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Swaggy P, Skip Bayless, & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... PLAY THE GIL'S ARENA BRACKET CHALLENGE - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/bp-m... Start building credit with Kikoff today, and get your first month for as little as one dollar. That’s 80% off the normal price when you go to https://getkikoff.com/arena SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:58 Wemby Is Pursuing Greatness 0:06:38 The Celtics Are Jaylen Brown's Team 0:27:25 Russell Westbrook Reaches Top 5 In Assists 0:51:20 NBA Exploring Plans For Expansion 1:51:38 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Wimby says the Spurs want to win everything, and he wants the MVP and defensive player of the year, how close are him in San Antonio to accomplishing those goals? Russell Westbrook moved in the top five in career assists. Does more respect need to be put on the Brody's name and game? And Seattle and Las Vegas may be on the verge of getting expansion teams, but is this a good or bad move for the league? Before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog.

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I'm gonna beat my bracket, but that's neither here nor there. Madness begins tomorrow, so make sure your bracket is in before that first game. And if you can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. So let's start this thing in San Antonio. Spurs beat the Clippers Monday to secure their first 50-win season since 2017. After the Spurs win over the Hornet Saturday, Wimby joined the NBA on Prime's nightcap crew and offered some insight into his and his squad's mentality for the rest of this season. What's next and what's your mindset and how are you what are you doing that to accomplish that goal whatever it may be?

Oh, what's next? It's pretty straightforward. I mean, we want to win everything and we got one disadvantage is that we don't get experience But that could be an advantage too because if we don't know if it's impossible we might still do it, you know what I mean? So, you know, right now in my mind is taking care of taking great care of my body because I also want to win the MVP and the defensive players of the year. So, you know, I'm trying to press the gas now from now on until the end of the season. Really take care of my treatment, take care of my sleep, take care of my routine, and show up for my team. So in the five games prior to Monday night, Wimby was averaging 33 points, 11 rebounds, four blocks, and over one steal on 55, 47, 81 splits, while shooting nearly 10 threes per game. He cooled off against the clippers, still had 21, 13 boards and four

blocks. Spurs nearly tricked off a 24-point second half lead still got the dub. After the game, Winby had this to say about San Antonio getting to 50 wins for the first time in nine years. He said there's growth. There's still not enough. I want to get to at least 60 to balance out my rookie season. Spurs got another game closer to 60 Tuesday night. Blow out win over the Kings. Winby played 22 minutes at 18 and 8 boards.

San Antonio 19 and 2 in their last 21 games. Just three games behind the Thunder for the top spot in the West. But let's get back to his comments about winning a chip, MVP, and defensive player of the year. Gil, when you look at Wimby, year three, do you respect Wimby's mentality, both for his individual and team aspirations this season? I mean, it's a great mentality, right? First two years, like, we've seen so much promise and what Wemby was bringing to the game. I think after the rookie season, we were like, you know, there's going to be a year where he sweeps it, where he's going to win everywhere, block, rebound, defensive player of the year.

He can win a scoring title, envy. Like, there's going to be a year where he's going to do something that's just having been done. Western Conference Finals, you know, MVP. Is this a year? No, I don't think he's, I don't think he's mature enough in his game, right? You know, the mentality's on its way, right? You know, you're talking about, you know, every great player, right? Remember, they had the first three years besides what, Magic and Tim, but more magic because Magic was a young,

player coming into the league. He was, you know, the NBA's first baby when emerged. So he was kind of, you know, in the same, you know, boat, but he performed very well that that first year. But the more his game matures to match his mindset, right? The more dominant he will be. Right now, it's, you know, he still make rookie mistakes and young mistakes. And, you know, when he cleans up his game and really understands how dominant he is, I mean, there's nothing that's going to stop Wemby or the Spurs moving forward in at least two years. But not this year? This year?

This season. Do you know any young team that had a young star players that won a championship? In history? Yeah. The name you mentioned, or Y and Magic Johnson? Oh, yeah. Magic. Magic was young. The rest of the team wasn't young.

Right. So when you're talking about just, I mean, Fox is probably the only person that is kind of seasoned, but the majority of their players that they need are young kids. Well, let's shift over to you, Swaggy. You respect Wimby's mentality. Yeah. Just the fact that he says what he won't.

He said he want to win MVP. You don't hear players say that at all. And he's confident. He's getting better. Like I said, he's got the work at it. He don't just search main players. He goes for guys out of the ordinary, do things out of the ordinary,

was a monk all summer, shaved his head. But, yeah, he's not a lunchtime baller for sure no more. He's upgraded from lunchtime, Uberstead. He's playing that sixth period now with the rest of the kids. He got the PE now, six-pirit. Yeah, he's six-feard. But now they're starting to click. And they got an opportunity.

You do not want to see them young or not. When you got somebody that's 7-6 down there that could do everything and wants to do everything, the Spurs is going to be kind of scary going into the playoffs. Let's move on to you, Mr. Cemetery, Larry, Dr. Rashob McCamp, P.S. Do you respect Wimby's mentality, MVP defensive player a year. Spurs want to win everything? I mean, you're talking about somebody who's advocated. supported Wembe since the beginning.

I knew this was coming. So, you know, Shosh and Diamonds is always on point when it comes to the full circle moments. Wembe's done everything possible to get over this setback that he had in the summertime. And last year, as far as that blood clot going to his inner and really trying to get the internal stuff, taking care of as far as his focus. and his calmness, his demeanor, and that has branched out to his personality. And it's allowed his teammates to really follow him now. When you're talking about leadership, he's really, I don't think it's an age thing with him.

I think it's a preparation thing with him. To be able to go from not knowing whether you're going to play again to now finding some maturity and taking advantage of being grateful for the opportunity to play basketball, I think he has stepped up to that plate, and I think he's deserving of the MVP. I think he's deserving of defensive player of the year. I think regardless of everybody's metrics on how everything goes historically, for Kevin Durant to get it in his fifth year. I think it's fitting for Wimby to get it in his third. Nobody's playing ball like he's playing ball right now.

I think minutes restriction, he's averaging 29 minutes a game. So you bump that up to 36. What is his numbers looking like? bumped it up to 38 minutes a game. What is his numbers looking at? And then you're looking at that record. San Antonio Spurs were predicted 10th. There are now number two,

I'm three games back from one. So you don't look at this and not say that Winby doesn't affect the game in both sides of the ball. He's not deserving of MVP. And I'm going to continue to advocate for him. I'm going to continue to push the buttons to make sure that he does get a fair shot.

because before I did say, you know, Gil said he was going to be five, he's going to stay at five, and he went from five to two. So now that he's at number two, it's time to get that number one spot. Let's shift over to this side of the couch, Mr. B. Look at Winby this season. Obviously, the competitive nature,

him saying vocally, I want to win MVP defensive player year, I want the Spurs. To win everything, you respect that mentality from the third year, big man? Hell yeah. Hell yeah, I do. You know, I just think, everything that he's done, you know, in the summertime, like you said, going to go visit the monks, being with NBA legends, and just the organization that he's in with the Spurs. You know, being around guys like Tim Duncan, David Robinson and all these guys, I think it's going to definitely help him a lot.

I think the experience that he got in the Olympics, taking his team to the championship and losing, I think that really, that really woke him up and really shown that he had to get bigger, stronger, and smarter with the game. So yeah, man, I think he's well-deserved of MVP. I mean, everything that this year they've been tested, they've answered the test. And they're exciting, and they're exciting. So I'm definitely rolling with him being MVP this year. Last one, I'll leave, Spurs guy. What are your thoughts when you hear when we be talking like this? I did grow up in Oklahoma City.

Don't forget that. I know. Pre-team, though. Yeah, that's true. Because I'm the one guy on the couch who did not play this game. at a high level, am I allowed to use my notes? Yeah, of course. Of course.

I'm about I said, I got my notes too. You're too, and I got notes all on this laptop. You're good. All right. I'm sorry. I appreciate that Wemby is campaigning for MVP as well as defensive player of the year, but he ain't going to get it. It's way, way, way over.

And if you look at the Las Vegas odds as of this morning, Shea Gilgis Alexander is a minus 12-5. I know people don't know the numbers, but it's like prohibitive favorite over a Wimby and Joker who are both at plus 2000. It's the Grand Canyon. It's over, as is defensive player of the year, which Wimby won like three months ago. That's way, way over. But all you need to know is that SGA's team is obviously three games ahead, but more important, the Thunder have played 43 games without. out SGA's All-Star running mate in the back court.

43 games with no Jalen Williams, who by the way, was an all-star last year and second team all defense, and they've been without him for 43 freaking games this year, and they're still without him, and I don't know what the outcome is because they keep saying hamstring, hamstring, and there's no idea. They're not saying any target date. I don't know if he's going to make it back this year. He might have torn his hamstring for all I know. And if they don't have him, they're not going to beat San Antonio in the postseason.

But the point is that if you look at what SGA is doing, he's having a better year than he had last year. He's making 55% of his field goals, and Wimby's making 50.6 of his, and he's like 7 foot 6. And he's out shooting him from 2 and 3 when Wemby, which drives me crazy, because he just doesn't post enough. And he's cut his threes down some. him. I got that. But the bottom line, SGA for six straight years has improved from three. Six straight years. He's up to 39. He wasn't a very good three-point shooter. And like Magic and Jordan, he came in and said, okay, what do I have to do? I got to teach myself to make this shot. They are daring me to make this shot. Watch this. 39% this year, but more important,

last five minutes of games, clutch time. SGA dominates every statistic in clutch time. Every one. He's made the most field goals. He's made the most threes. He has the highest field goal free throw percentage in the last five minutes. He's the leading score. He's plus 85, which is number one in plus minus in the last five minutes of games. I mean, he's it for them. Every night I watch them.

He just says, okay, it's my turn, and he shuts the game down. He did it last night in Orlando. He just said, no, that's enough. Orlando, you guys are 21 and 11 at home. Watch this. Look, Wimby is number one in defensive winshares, which he should be by far, but number six in defensive winchairs in the whole league is this guy. SGA's number six in defense. I don't know.

That's really, really good. And the other thing about Wembe is he does lead the league in blocks per game, obviously, because how can he not? And obviously, it leads to the league in chain shots per game by far. but his blocks per game are significantly down from last year. He's three blocks the game this year. He's 3.8 last year. That's a big dip, man. So he's not doing it at the level he was last year.

And the final thing I'll say about him is when he decides before a game, as he did in four of the five Thunder games, when he decides that he's going to play tonight, he plays his ass off. But there are many games along the trail where, I don't know what he's doing. He just comes out and, listen, SGA plays every dribble of every night. And it doesn't look,

it's not like Russell Westbrook hard because it's not like shocking to your eye. But he's just playing at the same speed every dribble every night. So to me, he's still it. And his team is still it. And they added Jared McCain. I don't know if you guys have been watching,

but he can score the basketball. And he defends at a higher level. level than I thought. So now they go with their death lineup with that when SGA rests. And when they go, Jared McCain and A.J. Mitchell, who can he scored 20 a game for most teams and Isaiah Joe, who's their best

shooter with Chet and Hartenstein, that's their death lineup. And they've been blowing teams off the floor with it. They're still a little better than San Antonio. And the final thing I'll say is they're actually a tick better rebounding the basketball as a team than San Antonio is. They're a little better

rebounding team. That will serve well, no rebounds, no rings in the postseason. Hold on. Not yet. Not yet. No, no, no. Not yet. That was it.

Not yet. That was it. No, it was easy. No. Not yet. No, no. You don't got, you said he was from O KC. He said he was from O KC, right?

That sounded like he was from OKC. That sounded like it was from OKC. That sounded like it was from OKC. We're going to get, we're going to let you, we're going to let you try to try to try to cook. You said that when you watch Wimby, there's some nights, he looks like he don't know what he's doing out there? Well, he just floats. It just floats. Yeah. So it's not okay, go. He didn't say it's not consistent. That's not what he said. How many nights? You try. Out of seven nights, how many days does he just float?

I feel like we're trying to get into their playing. He'll play off to whoever. So he's just not consistently bringing it. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Okay. So, Wemby blocks are down, right? Yep. Well, we'll contribute to that. Would that mean that the team overall gets better defensively? You would hope so. But still, he's like beyond anything we've ever seen before.

You would think his block is stay. David Robinson had over like 300 blocks in a season, and Wimby's at 200 maybe. We've seen other shot blockers do more. What we're talking about, right now is the San Antonio Spurs being a better team than they were last year in the year

before. Defensively especially. The contribution between Keldon Johnson, Castle, Vassell, all, Luke Cornyett, everybody stepped up. So what would that have to contribute to Wemby's actual defensive

dominance? The blocks are going to go down because guys are not going to get to the lane as much. And when you talk about efficiency, you talk about the three Everyone doesn't like that Wimby shoots threes. Wimby's not a traditional big man. He doesn't play on the block. No matter what you want him to do on the block,

he's going to play his game. And his game gets him 25 and 12. That 25 and 12 is regulated on 30 minutes a game where his efficiency at 50% from 2, 37, 36% from 3. 36% from 3. That gets his team in position to win games where he doesn't have to extend his minutes.

Yep. So him going from 10 to 2, based on SGA's performances, consistent, consistent, right? Because you said he goes out there, he doesn't miss a beat. That beat's not being missed because he has to go out and give you 40 against a Orlando Magic when Chet 20 and then everybody else is, this is the standard for them. So when we take the San Antonio Spurs, take SGA out of the game,

game. We win four. They win one. We don't speak about that record when we talk about that actual macro. We won that record. We won that. So Wimby did his job when it came down to dominating OKC. When we talk about the MVP matchups, nothing has changed with SGA. Even though you say his numbers has went up from last year. So has Wembe's. So the difference now is we went from 10. We're at two. you're at number one. We're chasing you. No doubt.

And you lost your guy. Lost our guy. So you lost your guy, but when he came back, that's when we beat y'all last. Yeah. But he came back. Then he left. Okay. When you had your guy come back.

When he came, I don't want to hear no excuse. That's like beating Boston. I don't want to hear no excuse. When you come back on the floor, the team was worse. Okay. But he came back. back off risk surgery and then needed another risk surgery. Okay?

All that, don't want to hear it because it comes up when we having an argument. So wouldn't Wembe numbers be higher if he got to the basket more? If he played more minutes. No, I'm saying, but I know what I'm saying, wouldn't he averaged more if he took more shots closer to

the basket? Of course, because the percentage is say so. So shouldn't he... If he shot more threes, would he average more two? I don't know. He's shooting 36%. He's shot more last year. He's shooting 36%. But isn't it a higher percentage for him if he's closer to the room? Well, both sides.

His higher percentage is if he plays more minutes. He's going to shoot more. He's going to be more available. He's going to get to the free throw line more. Everything increases for Wemby if he plays more. But he doesn't even need to play more. He doesn't need to play more to be number two in the MVP race, though. If he plays around the best.

So what does, what does Shea have to do to, to, to run off with it? Nothing. What does Wimby have to do to actually steal it? He has to play more minutes? Why do you feel Wimby need everything so early? I think he's going to be greater

as he goes to get older to? If Wimby gets it, yeah. The time is now. But we don't have to give it. Yeah, but if Wimby gets it now, it's a rap for everybody else. If the movie gets it right now, he's going to run with it for the next.

That's a point. Come on, man. That's the point. Is it not fair? We want to. Is it not fair? No, you want to. I want to crown him.

Is it not fear? He don't deserve it, but you want to give it to him now. Is it not fear? I mean, what about Jay Leno? What he's doing in Boston? Is it not fear? There's number two. But look, we're two and O against them.

But he averaged more. We're two and O against them. Who? You should? The Celtics versus a six versus. Two O. You are? What are we talking about?

Team. Yeah. Team, leaders of the team. So, Rashad, how do you explain? that the spurs have beaten the thunder four out of five times and their three back of the thunder. What does that tell you? That tells us that

the scheduling and the teams that we've played when Wimby were out we lost. We lost games we weren't supposed to lose. And that was a great point because I was looking at that and saying to myself, damn, we lost a bunch of games we shouldn't have lost and yet we're still number two.

So if we were taking advantage of those games that we didn't take granted, We would be number one. How many teams could lose an all-star second-team all-defense for 43 games out of however many they've played? There's 13 to go. But 43, more than half the year, and still lead basketball by three games. I would say the Boston Celtics. They don't lead by three games.

And they don't, but damn, they're close. In the east. That's a comparison. In the east. That would be my comparison. Jalen Brown being similar or not better than SBA. To your point, Jalen Brown has had an incredible year. I know I ran into one of the Celtics owners during the All-Star weekend here,

and he said the biggest shock to us is that Jalen Brown, I think he's 29, got better at 29 than he's ever been. And he said, you just don't ever see it, where somebody takes a leap after he's been a really, really good, a finals MVP player and he took a leap. And there's no way they would be afloat if he hadn't taken that leap. The contribution there goes to his trainer. Jamal Ovalh Dasch Lettics goes in and he analyzes the game with him.

But those attributes that he's displaying right now has been, let's just say, pocketed for the last two years. We and Brandon, we actually seen last year. It's not pocketed. It has been because he has the now he has the keys. to drive and to show that I'm a good driver. He has to do more. That's what the point.

The point is when you can... You're still doing your thing, but you've got somebody else that could do that. Scottie came in. But when you can do everything, but when you can do more and you can't go show people you can do everything, now you get to show your display. You get to show how good you are. You did show you. You won't final ZemEP. But you wasn't doing everything then.

So what was he doing different? He was playing the number. He was shooting the number. He was playing the 1A, 1B. He's shooting more. No, no, he has the team. He's the leader. Yeah.

It's going through me. It was going, was it going through Tatum? Yeah. It was going through Tatum. No, no, it wasn't. No, it was going through Tatum. Well, if it was going through Taylor, Tatum won them a championship. But it didn't.

Because at the end, at the end, at the end, at the end, Brown got to win a championship. Brown stole the keys when he was sleeping. He was sleep at the wheel. He told them keys. He said, come here. Let me show you how to drive this shit. Taylor won a championship then. They won a championship.

But whose car is it now? Both. Whose car isn't now? Whose car is it now? It feels like Jalen had to move over and let Tatum drive again. Come back in. He had to come back in. Because it's our car.

Essentially, it's our car, but I got the keys. So when I got the keys is my car. You don't get to change the songs, bro. It's my, it's my playlist that plays. No, that's what you want. It's my playlist. There's, uh, there's one. You can, you can request the song.

You can say, could you play this? Nah, man, we're playing my shit right now. I mean, we got to win the championship. No, no, this is who card is. We got to play. Next year, it'll be equal opportunity for us to do the coin flip and say who's playlist. I mean, we're going to do it like this.

We got one that's a five-star, a five-time all-star, a one-time all-NBA player, Eastern Conference Finals, MVP. Finals MVP. Then you have another one that says six-time All-Star, even though he missed this year, five-time first-team All-NBA, meaning he is the number one player in his position. All-Star MVP, Eastern Conference Final MVP.

Who car is it? So, yeah, you did do it. Hey, man, you got us where we needed to go. Here, let me get those back, and then that's how we're going to work. That's how has always been. And Janet Brown has done what Janet Brown's done. Not this time.

You know what the funny thing about it is? Some teammates actually like each other. Yeah. No, that's fine. Right? You know what I mean? Like some people like Jalen Brown and Tatum actually like each other. So there's no beef in here because they both know.

Nobody said his beef. Hey, we do. Somebody has insider information to know who the leader is. Yeah. Who the leader is. Yeah. Who the guy is like, hey, he takes, he takes. when I go do this and give this energy, he's like, okay, that's what we own today.

We own this energy today. I don't think it's- But when you got the talent, you can just go be on your own energy all the time. Jason Tatum has the talent to just lead by example. Jalen Brown is the general. He is the, hey, we're going to do this. Hey, we're going to rotate on here. Hey, guy, you got to be here.

That's this. But he has the talent to get behind that. He's not just Draymond. He has the talent. to be like, hey, J.T. But you're saying if we go ones, you might not get a game, bro.

But you're saying leader. If we go ones, you might not get a game, bro. Might not. That's not a real. You might not get a game, bro. That's not reality. But that's the talent.

The leader is the best person of the team. Like you're saying leader. The leader means that I am the best suited to push us in this direction. Yeah, yeah. Just give me the ball

and I'm going to lead us in store. He's already tried that. Right? That's what I'm saying. We won the championship when we did that. No, he did. No. He wasn't doing it.

that give you the ball and just scored the ball? Did he lead him in score? Listen, bro. Did you watch the game? Don't just look at the box scores, bro. That's not what happened in the fucking finals. It did. No, it did.

It did. Who made that play in this play? Who made these big shots? Let's go back. Let's not just look. Let's not be the box score people. You said, let's not go. They'd be like, look at this back.

So let's watch the game. You said, who passed it to him, right? Passed him, that's called an assist. So he had more assists? Who got key rebounds? I'm just, so. We're talking who, man. So what yours is?

We're not talking stats. Okay, so yours is just fantasy. No, we're talking. Hoop. We're talking watching. Both ends on the floor, basically. He's not talking about the stats. Have you ever...

Have you noticed that no one's ever called Tatum out for his lack of defense? No. You remember who was guarding... You remember they put Tatum on Gaffert. Gaffert could not take advantage of Tatum in the post, so they couldn't do what they wanted to... Dallas couldn't do what they... Who is Gaffer as a fucking offensive player? They were wrong in swing.

Because they... Who is Gafford? Because they wanted to go small. They wanted... They wanted them to go big. he was trying to post Tatum up early and it didn't work. That's why so many switches are happening.

Why didn't it work? Because Gafford don't average 20 points in the post. Tateham plays defense too. What are you talking about? Gafford is not a post player that's going to give you 15 points on the post on jump on. What is Gaffer effort? Who is the average? It doesn't matter. He had a big

and a guard. It do matter. It do matter. DeAndre A. Clint Capella. We're not throwing it down there. We're not throwing it. it down there to you. It's like you posting the BJ right? No, it's not because I'm going to get a bucket. With the height, the height. Ain't no height, no nothing. It don't matter. It could be

him or it could be you. It don't matter. I'm getting a bucket down there. The gas chamber, nigger. You remember we had Xavier Chilman here, right? Uh-huh. And he said, he thought Tatum didn't play defense until he got there and realized how great of a defensive player he was.

Tatum has always been a two-way defender. Yeah. Just Brown is better. so you don't look at Tatum it's like the 96 Bulls right Jordan Pippin is so good you didn't realize Ron Harper was a lockdown defender

also was I did well I did no one realized that's what I'm saying he should be in first team all defense too but you got

don't make no sense because if you know who you know fucking Ron Harper played in other teams other than the Bulls and he was a great defender before he got there he was both

he was both he's always been a A two-way player that can lock down and get bucket. But when we get to the Bulls, I got to regulate myself as one of the silent anchors. I'm a silent anchor. I can play behind Mike and Scotty and help them on the weak side because I know what I'm doing. Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, like you said, Tatum can be a good defender. He is a good defender.

I can be. He is. But we know who the better defender is. So, Gil. 99 and 90, you're 90. That's nine points. Yeah. Gil, what was the difference in that finals?

What was the key difference in that finals was that Jalen Brown took Luca and destroyed him? He shot, what was it, 7 of 29 from 3? And even down to the closeout game, when it looked like Luca was going to go back in. Jalen Brown's over on the bench saying, put me back, I want him, I'm going to make sure he doesn't get another bucket. It was him. And I was rooting for Dallas because I love Kyrie. and the guy who always scared me game after game was that guy, Jalen Brown, not Tatum,

because Tatum's going to shoot a lower percentage, he's going to shoot more shots, he's gifted, he's taller, he's longer, so he can use height and length to be a good defender, but the other guy is just a dog, I mean, just the all-time, tear-you-apart dog on defense.

And Luca was a disaster. And one made first team all NBA and one didn't like an all-N-A team. We know that. We know that's biased based on the voters. We're not going to keep using that. Hey, stop with the voter shit. Who voted him most? Who voted him finals MVP in Easter conference finals?

So stop using the votership. So we're going to use it? Did they vote for him to win Eastern Conference final MVP? Was they vote for him as a MVP final? Was Jaylon Brown all defense last year? No. Did they vote for him? No.

It was not. But he was a clear all- NBA defender. Clearly. He did not make all defense. The year before that, he said, I'm spending this whole year playing defense to prove my two-way player that I am in this league. This year was I'm going to show y'all I'm a clear-cut MVP. Now I can play both sides of the ball and y'all have seen it clearly. So now not to get the credit for it.

would be based on what? Jason Tatum being on the team? Don't use the defender. Don't use, but I'm saying this, don't use, come on. Don't use DeLy Brown not better than them? I don't know. Now y'all don't know. Wait, huh?

You said what? But that's the problem. If Jaylen Brown not a better defender than Drew Holiday or Darry White. And that becomes a problem. But, you know, that is the problem with the team. It's no different than the Bulls were. What? You have so many great defenders on a team.

Thank you. You stop looking at some of them. Yeah. Right? So you got Drew Holliday and you got white up there doing all their dirty work, right? It makes it easier for everyone else. So you don't realize how great Jalen Brown and Tatum is. I mean, well, they just said it.

I mean, they were on the U.S. Did he want? Skip just said it in the finals. What did he do? Jalen Brown said, no, I got him. I got him. And he had two other guys on the team who were all defense. And they were trying to get Drew Hiday, finals, MVP, too, for him.

Listen to me, these two other guys were not guarding Luca. Yeah, he was. Was they trying to give Jew Holiday Finals MVP two? These two other, to that third four game. These two other guys were not guarding Luca. Everybody was guarding Luca on the sweats. Ain't there.

Jalen Brown held him down. I think Jalen Brown guarded him on his, he affected a shot. No, it was 20. It was 21 total shots. Jalen Brown guarded him on shooting. It was the rips and a half court. It was the rips and a half court,

but when it came to the shooting, most impactful moments. It was only 21 challenge shots because they switch. So Janen Brown didn't guard him like that. It was picking him up full court. That's where Janet Brown did is dirt. Al Horford held him to 0 and 8.

9 of 22. It was 9 of 22 from shooting as what Jalen Brown did out of 108, I think. 25% from 3, but only 2-2 for 8 on it. Yeah. So Al Horford, I remember, he was 0 and 8 against Al Horford. Like, everybody split that time. But Jalen Brown picking him up full court, ripping him in the back court.

That's what made it seem like he did that. It's a good way to discredit his defense, but it's not going to work. It's not going to work. He's shutting down, and that was the whole deciding fact of the series. I mean, he did average. I mean, he did average. He's 30. Yeah, he did average.

He did average. Possessions when guarded by Jalen Brown. Guarded for 154 possessions. 154. There go to them stats. 32 total minutes of games. They're going to the stats. But it was not, but it's nine for what?

What was he? 9.22, 2 for 8 from 3. 9 for 22 against Jalen Brown. And 2 for 8. every time I'm guarding you Sit that ass down over there So about when I come in Yeah

Yeah You gotta give it to him How do y'all just say he guarded him The whole game Why you think you could keep calling the fucking Pick and roll when I'm on you Nick Why you because you don't want me on you

You don't want me on you That means I'm a good fucking defender Anybody would get the less defender So who is the less defender's over to me But you're not If they're other people doing their job If I'm still struggling If I'm still struggling

If I'm guarding you and you keep calling a pick and roll to get the other guys on you. I don't. I don't. I got a problem with people trying to make Jaylon Brown over Taylor or Taylor over Jaylon Brown.

Why they can't just be both? Because you can't be, because somebody got to be number one. But I've been number one. We always talk about that. When you get the keys, man, I'm not going to give you back the keys. I hate the keys.

It's mine now, for sure. Who's number one? When I got the keys, I'm not number two. Who's number one right now? Wouldn't the one the one that was first team? All NBA five? Five three years.

As of number, as of right now, who's number one? When you're down? Right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. As of right now. So, stop pretending that they were both playing in the same game.

Thank you. One was out. That's how you got number one. What you mean? One was out, right? Scotty Pippet was number one on the Bulls. It was number one on the Bulls. Scottie Pippen was number one on the Bulls for a little period of time.

And doing this. What is that bad? Remember this? Scotty Pippen never got finals MVP. Remember this? Scottie Pippen never got finals MVP. I know that. So yeah, Scottie had his chance to be number one.

Scottie never got finals MVP. So you like the voting. What? You like to vote. See, that's my thing is, don't use the voting. I'm not using, what I'm saying is don't use the voting. I'm not using the voting. Because all of it is voting.

Listen, at the end of the day, Jaylon Brown didn't get vote. Listen, at the end of the day, Jaylen Brown get the lower end of the stick. You don't get a voting. We know that. Because we've had discussions about. Because we've had discussions about the lower-ended stick of all as well. He's too smart. He's too smart.

The finals MVP can't get a look for the USA team? No, no, but shit is that. Come on, man. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, if you say finals MVP, right, and you use that and they voted on that, and I say, did he make an all-M-B-A team? All the voters. All the voters. You can't do that.

Did he make all the defensive team? The voters are hating on them. At the end of the day, Jaylen Brown will always get the lower-downs-old. No, but what I'm saying is, you can't. You can't use the voters when you want to. Yes, he is. So is Trey Young. Does Trey Young deserve more credit for his career?

Hell yes. Is it the voting? Yes. It's all of it. So can we use the voting or can't we? I like Trey. Because you just said don't use the voting. No, I said you can't use it when you want to.

So can we use it with Jake Young? For his career? Does he deserve more All-Stars? Is it getting voted? Spurs. Not getting voted in based on the bias of them not liking him. And everyone's saying he's overrated and all this other bullshit. And if we know it's bullshit and Jaylam Brown's dealing with the same bullshit,

if Dame Little was dealing with the same bullshit, if there are other guys getting snubbed out because of the bullshit, we can't say that it ain't no bias based on the vote. But the same East End Conference Finals MVP got voted from the bullshit based on his performance in that series, in that series. Not the season long, oh, we don't like him because he runs the people. We don't like, no, this is in this series where we can see clear cut

why he got this. Is Janet Brown? No, no, no, you said you can see a clear cut and they want to ask you to show you. Is Jason Brown making first all NBA this year? No, he's not. He should. He should, but they're not going to get to him.

He should. He should, he should, he should, and he's making all defense. Y'all keep saying he should, so who's your five then? You keep saying, who should make it? Them you're old? Who are you booing out? Who are going to make it? Who is going to make this player?

Wait, I'm just, my five? We're talking about a bunch of players that should make first. My five? off of what I thought they did this year and from where their team was and what the expectations was

on them, I'm going Cade. I'm going Cade. I'm going Jalen Brown. Yeah. Okay. I'm going Wimby. Yeah. You got two more spots ago. I'm going SGA. And I'm going as much as I want to say, Luca.

I can't, I cannot discredit a goddamn triple double. I'm sorry. Yeah. Right? And you're doing a triple double with guy, you don't even have a bunch of shooters over there.

Yeah. Right? So you're making it possible. So I'm giving it at and then Luca. I like that by. Like me? I would put Jaylen, me, me? No, no, no, me.

I would sacrifice. Luke is going to take Brown. I will sacrifice Luca for Jalen Brown. Yeah. Because Luca has a team. Yeah. His team is there. Jalen Brown, the whole starting five was gone.

Tatum's gone Drew's gone Al Horfer's gone Porzinger's gone and you got that team where your whole your whole team is gone and you got them

where they are no one can say that in the NBA right now no one can say my team is performing in 90% of what I use last year is gone

29 20% so I would use him I would put him over if I had to if I had to vote so you got the same list I'm voting for a loop But I'm just saying as a basketball

My list would be the same. Your list is the same? Yeah, same list. Let me say one thing about why Jalen Brown doesn't get much love from the media. As a media member, I have always sensed an undercurrent of negativity

directed at Jalen Brown. You mentioned high intelligence, honest to a fault with the media, can be a little prickly, can complain quickly. And Jason Tatum has always been the delight of, you know, the best interview in the league, and he's always on court, you know, he's always happy and

nice and charming and all those things. And it just, it operates, man. We're deep down, subliminally, when you go to vote, you're like, God, I love Jason Taylor. He makes our job so easy. And Jalen sometimes makes our job a little difficult, a little hard to do, harder to do, and so that operates. And I'm with Gill's list because Jailant earned it all the way. And until Jason shockingly came back. But they were left for dead, man. And he made him the second best team in the East like that. If not for Cade Cunningham, they would have been the first best team.

So I'm with your list, and I would put Luca's six instead of five. As much as I despise Luca's efforts on defense. Yep. I think Kaye, you just got to go. Cade. He just got to go against him. Can I finish? Yeah, you can be it.

Can I finish? As much as I despise it. Cade is a little too early for me. I would take Cade out, put Luca there. Luca would be there. Cade's too early. I don't see Detroit being the team where he can sustain this again next year. Whoa.

What does next year got to do with him now? Because it's projection. No. This is my right now. This is me talking about. When it's your turn to talk, it's your turn to talk. When it's your turn to talk. Okay.

So if we're talking right now. Okay. Okay. Okay. He just said that. Okay. He just said that. Okay.

Okay. So I didn't want to do this. So we don't want to go. We'll go to the stack. Hey, he's not going to be sustainable. Hey, Cunningham. All right. Hey, Cunningham, then.

We'll go through it. 25 10. 10. He can't. We'll be the last. Okay, the last 10? Don't count the last game against the Wizards, though. You want to say the last 10?

No, the whole season. Whole season? Because there's been a drop-off. What are you talking about being all-MBA? You talk about being consistent. Luke has been very consistent all year gone. They have won nine of their last 10. They have surged from six to four.

These are all things that matter. All-MBA, consistency. Number one. Consistency. They have been struggling lately. Consistency. But he average the same as Wimby. Consistency.

He averaged the same as Wimby and you got them in five. He averaged in four blocks, three blocks? What is he doing? He's 12 boards? You just talking about points? What are you doing? What are you doing, Swag? Just talking about points?

Do Wimby average 10 assists? Do we need to? Shit. It evens out. No, it don't even out. All right. I mean, he averages 10 assists? Kay Cunning.

Who we passionate to? Man. You see how I did that? Jalen Durden? Play, on the dude. Jalen Durden, the number two on the team.

Look at his stats. Okay, cool. But listen, Kay Cunningham can move the fuck around right now. So, I don't know. Luca Dantzes can definitely hold that spot down. If Kaye comes in and does the next thing like this next year,

he can have a spot. Serving of it. Right now, so all the guys in the all NBA right now or have been working their ass off to beat. Detroit has to been number one all year. So, Wemby...

Shay and... Shay and was there been number one the whole season. Shay and Kade. Yeah, why you use that for Kade and not for Wemby? What I need to use it for Wembe before? No, you used it for Wembe.

You're not using it for Kee. You didn't use nothing. What are you talking about? You said they were projected 10 and now that number two he should win MVP. That's MVP, yes. We're talking about all NBA.

So... All NBA. All NBA. Right, so all NBA. Yeah, K should be... No. Luca serves that spot, bro. Luca

Nobody had Detroit people That's crazy Nobody has the East Nobody It doesn't It's the NBA Who leads the NBA in scoring Who leads the NBA in scoring?

Who leads the NBA and scoring? Who leads the league in turnovers also? Luca Luca Who leads the league in assists Cade? Man Where's Luca?

Three? Which one? He's three? He's three. He's three. He's three. I'm not sure what. As what?

Assis. It's a reverse psychology. He's first. He's first. First and points, third and a sixth. I know, but that was amazing. You got him to say, Luke. Lucas, you see, I did not.

You got it. I got it. He got it. I picked this Jalen Brown, so he could pick Luca because I knew he was going on. Oh, that he got my Luke in. Guess he's still in there. Hit the button.

You know he's still in there. All my guys are still in there. Oh my God. He got a fight to get his guy in. I don't know what. My guys are no brain. My guys are no brain. So this was a whimpy's first discussion that morphed into a Celtics-jacent-trial discussion

that morphed to Luca, Trey Young mixed in between. To all they be able to. You know, whenever I moved a lever, you know, whenever I moved a lever, motherfuckers jump on that. See what I did there? I don't know. See what I did there? Well, let's keep this thing moving. Really, right.

Yeah. So another interesting discussion we have to have. So Kings, season has been disappointing to say the least. Why are you talking about the Kings? We're talking about a member of the Kings. Oh, yeah. Just one member. You just hate quick.

Boy, you don't even think about your hate. Gosh, damn, my nigger. How did you watch the kick? How you watched the fuck? I'm all right, bro. Oh. Just set up. Jesus.

But Russell Westbrook has been climbing up the all-time ranks in his 18th season, cementing his first ballot Hall of Fame career. So during the King's loss of the Spurs, Tuesday, Westbrook passed Mark Jackson and Steve Nash to move into the top five all-time in career assist. Let's take a look at the list. Westbrook will probably stay in that five spot, just looking how things are going. LeBron has potential to pass J.Kidd and Chris Paul.

Nobody catching John Stockton, so let's just keep it real. But earlier this season, Westbrook joined LeBron as the only players in history with 27,000 career points, 10,000 assists, 9,000 rebounds, 2,000 steals. We'll also become the first guarding NBA history to surpass 9,000 career rebounds. 62 games this season, averaging 15.7 assists, six rebounds, six triple doubles, 209 his career also the most in NBA history. Westbrook, a Los Angeles native. Again, when you look at Russell Westbrook,

what do you think his legacy is in the league? His legacy, complicated, you know, at best. It's an unfair assessment of Westbrook's career because he was such a different type of player. his engine was out of this world when it came to how he approached the game right he approached the game with the Jordan Kobe-like mindset

but he did not have the offensive skill the match it but the I want to get better I want to win every game I want to do everything the mentality was there and the way he played the game game itself was how you will want every single player to play. So, you know, when they said he was stat patent rebound, it's like, well, rebounds is a individual thing.

That meaning effort. Effort. All 10 of us are supposed to be doing that. So we're now shaming somebody that rebounds, right? Well, you know, patent your assist is a thing. patent your wins for coaches a thing patent scoring patent blocks there's a lot of things that you patting but never heard patent rebounds unless you're just

tapping it to yourself doing that but you know when it came to the effort of this game you can't say he did not bring it every single day from game day to practice to preparation professional all the way around I just don't think that the media themselves like to personality when it came to them. Because I understand where he comes from is you don't know my preparation to say, oh yeah, you shot 20% or you should have did that. It's like, you're not in our locker room to even assess me like that.

Right. And I get that part of it, but he's going to be judge unfairly. Like he's a great, his stats speak for themselves. He did something that just you can't be duplicated besides someone who's trying to do it. someone's trying to get four straight MVP, I mean, four straight triple doubles, right? That speaks for itself. What type of engine he was, right? Was he a pure score where some of the selfishness looked in the last two, three minutes?

Yeah, he didn't have that part of it. He didn't know how to turn his motor down, right? How he played the beginning of the game is how he played the last two minutes. The last two minutes is for certain skills. And he didn't, he didn't understand that part of the game. He's trying to drive his Ferrari and traffic. And he made a lot of dumb plays, but he also made a lot of great plays. Extra rebounds, getting his team.

So for me, he should be praised for what he did to this game because that's what we were taught. Bring it all. If you can have 20, 20 and 20, do it. Right? That's how it is. We sit here and complain about our big man not rebounding enough. Right? Like, how come you can't get no rebounds, right?

You have a guard that's going in and I said, don't even worry, but I'll do it for you. Right, you know, so you have to appreciate what he did to the game and what he brung. Style, that's, you know, that's your opinion. Honor the gift. Let's shift over to you, Mr. B. When you look at Westbrook, his career accolades, what is Russell Westbrook's legacy in the NBA? See, there, you love more, you hate him. It's no middle with Russ.

You know, I just think, you know, his preference. You know, being top five in assists, being the number one point guard score ever, first player to have triple doubles, a triple double since Oscar Robinson. A guy who, like you said, started the game 100, ended the game 100. A guy that I know growing up out of LA was at the Sand Dunes every morning with his dad, you know, grinding, grinding, grind until, you know, he grew to be 6-3 and then everybody was scared to work out with him in the workouts. They were ducking workouts against him.

But man, just his preparation, man. And, you know, he is the true definition of hard work and, you know, his motor and what he brought kind of scares kind of people sometimes. You know, it could be too much because of, you know, he wants it, you know, that much. But man, he's a Hall of Famer. First ballot for sure. And, you know, out of Los Angeles. Lou Zinger. Luzinger, for sure.

Cardina. Shout out to the right brother as well. Skip, let's shift over you, obviously, covered Westbrook for a long time in your career. What do you feel like Russell Westbrook's legacy is? So Brandon just said love or hate. I hate them. I don't hate, but. I hate some bitch.

Yeah, I'm closer to that. Yeah, I'm closer to that. Look, I tried to be a fan and I couldn't be. I've had my battles with him, and I do respect the fact that, To your point, I never thought I'd see anybody triple double after Oscar. And he did it four out of five years. It's impossibly great in its first ballot slam dunk Hall of Fame. I got you.

Now, you just said fifth all time and assists. He's already second all time in turnovers, which cancels all the assists out. He's second, believe it or not, to LeBron James, all time and turnovers. LeBron is all time. Wait a second. For three years. LeBron has played 309 more games than Russell Westbrook has played. And Russ is pushing him in turnovers already because Russ has led the league in

turnovers five times, and he's come second three times in turnovers. It's mind-boggling to me because he has the worst hands I've ever seen on a point guard in all my years of covering the NBA. And I started out here with the Lakers in 19. That's how far back I go pre-magic when Kareem first came to the Lakers. Never seen a worse pair of hands on a point guard to the point that when he did play the one full year with the Lakers out here. You remember, LeBron had campaigned go get him. And then LeBron quickly started campaigning and get him the hell out of here because he is an abysmal three-point shooter on top of all the turnovers.

So in that one year out here, a career 31% three-point shooter shot 29.8% from three. And do you remember all those knights at Staples? Russ would go into his shooting motion and the entire arena would groan. Oh, oh, don't, don't. Because they just knew it was going to be another West Brick. And he West Bricked more than anything I'd ever seen. And it's hard to overcome all the terms of. and horrendous three-point shooting from a point guard, from a point guard.

So it got so bad that year when he was here that we would go in and undisputed every morning and we would do a rip of his turnovers and put it to clown music because it was just so, so it was comical. What are you doing? And to your point about how hard he played, I've never seen anybody play this hard, but I sometimes question, are you playing hard for you or for the W? Is it for your stats or for the win? Because his overall playoff record, and it's not all his fault, but he's 64 and 71 in the postseason.

And I know for a fact, because I was very close to somebody, very close to Kevin Durant, this was the reason Kevin left Oklahoma City. He said, and I quote, I will never win a championship with Russell Westbrook as my primary decision. decision maker, period, end of story. So I had no problem with him joining forces with Golden State because he was going into his 10th year and he just wanted a chip. And he got a couple, and he got two finals MVPs, and he was really good. And it really impressed me. And he just said, I can't do it. He loved Russ as his little brother, but when Russ is dribbling the ball up the

floor every time, my turn or your turn, I think it's my turn. And he just goes. And he just, you said, he just goes hell bent to the basket. And it just, you know, It's just hard. There's no efficiency to it, but it resulted in four out of five years triple doubles. You know, it's, it was impot. So to your, it's, it's the most complicated legacy in the history of the NBA. That's what it is. Wow.

The most complicated. Yeah. No, I mean, it is. It just did. So what's your response? Russell Westwood, the most complicated legacy. For me, I think his worst, Mr. mistake for sure was coming in LA.

I think people that come to L.A. with LeBron, that's the number two leaves and their career is pretty much over with after. Like, you just seem to happen with the guy and that went to Dallas. But, Westbrook is the top, I think

he's top three. Why, well, when you just come to Lakers or Lakers with LeBron? Just Lakers? It's my time. Okay, I'm just, I think, LeBron, I think, damn, see, he made me say,

LeBron. I think West Rook is higher in his position, then KD is at his position in all time. Like, Katie... So what? Yeah, I think it's the... Higher point to be...

The K.D. is a small fort? Yeah, I think it goes Magic, Steph, Russ. Or you could go Steff Magic Russ. But I think he's right there, for sure. Jordan, Bird, C.D. I mean, you got LeBron Bird, K.E.?

LeBron, Katie, Bird. Can I go? Can I go? I mean, you can go, I'm just, like, do you know who the small forwards are? You know, Katie's two or three. No. Oh. Huh? No.

Continue, you don't. Don't let them distract you. Don't let them distract you. I want to know what number Katie is. When you go four years in a row, triple doubles, I think the hate comes with that. You know, when you say stat patent, but other guys is in MVP races and they did the same thing last year, like a Joker or somebody. But them guys not consider stat patting. But this guy could do it every day.

I mean, four years in a row, that's unbelievable. The fact that, and he still plays through all the negativity he gets, and he still sits at the top at the end of the day. You can hate him or love him. I think he changed the game. Nobody was thinking about triple doubles or all that until he started this. He don't get the credit he deserves for sure. And that's on KD, if he left.

KD. leaving shouldn't change Westbrook career. They shouldn't be taught. That shouldn't mess up Westbrook career because he ended up being an MVP after that. That helped it. Like, you went to the finals with me. You went to the finals with me,

but you joined the Warriors with that had more already won a championship. and you came there to be the second. But you came here to... He was. I was there. But still, you could have won with Russ. You got guys in his name with...

James Hardin, I mean, Westbrook, and KD. They're all top five in their positions and you can't get it done. You blame me. But I'm still a top five. They wasn't top five in a position. They became top five because they all left. So don't blame.

You can't blame. But that means they're all great, though. They all became great. No, you can't. You can't because, you were great. They were great when we there. We went to the finals. We went to the finals.

They were young. We were young. We weren't great. They weren't great, though. But you take criticism out on Westbrook because Katie left. Oh, it's Westbrook fault. It's Westbrook fault because I left. KD. left.

He's the reason. So you tunnel your energy, negative energy towards this guy. I can't win a championship here. With Russ. But that was the main thing. That's my little brother. But I can't wait a championship here. So I'm going to win a championship.

And with a guy that won a championship already. You can't be mad. If you're Westbro, you can't be mad because you became you because he left. He was already him. He was first. He was an all NBA player with KD here. He was MVP? No.

Was he MVP? It don't matter. I know. He wasn't. Was he MVP? He would have never been MVP if KD is still there. Yeah, I wouldn't have been a triple-fellow guy if Katie was still there. It don't matter.

It would still be great. You would still be great. You would be talking about your career. You could be number one small four if Katie if you didn't leave. You're going to win it. How? That's the shit that can happen. You know, people don't respect Katie's championships because what he did.

How would he have been number one? No, if he said I can't win a championship with Russell Rushbrook. So how am I being the number one small four? I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't win a championship with him.

You can't put that on Westbrook being up three one. Was it on Westbrook when they was up three one? Now it's on Westbrook when they come back. No, he just, that's what I'm talking about. It's not. So it was all HAD when we were up three one. Listen, it don't matter because no one I'm talking about. You're blaming him for all that.

No, he said, his career is based on KD. Okay, first of all, if you're KD, I left. Why? Because I can't win a championship. with you. So that's cool. So that's a whole way. So hold on.

Hold on. Because that's saying I can't win a championship with yes. You make it in the room. We can win a championship with him. We can. Oklahoma City. Okay. When they go do it then.

Okay. Then why did you do it then? They were in the final. Because he gave up and went to another team. Because I can't win a championship with you. So if y'all had to make the decision. If y'all can't, we didn't do it with him. We made a decision.

It worked out for him, right? That decision worked. worked out for Westbrook too. Right. Because Westbrook became a tie player of MVP. So Westbrook shouldn't complain either. But that's all people bring up in his career, though. That made him get the negative life.

That made him. No, it did not. He still took off. Negativity criticism. Who? Who? Who? The thing we're talking about about Westbrook, if Katie's there,

Westbrook don't get what he has. Nothing. It's okay. If y'all let me go, we go. Because Westbrook don't get what he is. We let me go. I'm going to get rid of all that. Just like.

Oh, that's right. Oh, that's it. You can't keep James coming off the pitch? Just like your championship. These average came because of that same decision. So you can't be mad at KD because of that. The decision, everybody won. Right.

Everybody won. You're right. Everybody did. James won. They all became MP. If you're Westbro, you can't look at Kay. You're like, man, that's fuck. Because you top five is because he moved out of the way.

But you've been. came to me. But he can be top five with Katie there? No. You're crazy. How? How are you going to be a top five point guard? He was still averaging.

He was still averaging. He's number two. You add three championships to that team. He's top five. 21, 26, and five. That's like saying, Steph Payton. You're saying how is Chris Paul top five? 21?

How's Chris Paul top five? Who said he was top five? Chris Paul is the best player in his team. Okay. Okay, how's John Stockton top five? Because he's passing into two, Carmillone. Okay, so how is Jason Kidd top five?

Thank you. Got to the finals, back to back to back. By himself. Okay. So everybody who ever want to know what the stats were before? No, no, no. I'm asking in comparison to what you're saying, Russell Westbrook could not be, right?

In comparison to the guys who you consider top five. Okay, so 21- Both of those guys been to the finals too. Hold on, 21, 6 and 7. By them. That's stuff. Katie leaves 28, 8 and 7. No matter.

Then triple double. If he still have-double, then triple double. You said 21 what? You said 21- what? What? 21, 6 and 7. 21-6 and 7. 21-6 and 7.

21-7. Six and seven. Yeah. Is Jason Kidd ever had 21, six, and seven? No, he passed more. He passed more, so just say no. Say no. What does that have to do with anything?

Did he ever get to the finals? Did he have, Russ got to the finals? With who? What do you mean with who? He got there. You asked that he got there, not with who. Okay. He got there one time.

He got there one time. Jason K got their back-to-back. Can he go, please? Jason Kek got their back-to-back with that trash-ass team he was with. I didn't go without getting. Are you? They hated. They all went.

No, man. You got Jackson kid, fuck up. We did. Everybody caught. You know what? What Jason Ken was doing by him? A number one. Jackson K. played against the lake.

Like, can't we get ours off? Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is the true definition of an underdog. Yes. From start and finish. And when you're coming from an underdog position, you're going to be underappreciating. And you look at all the other point guards in front of him, and you already discredit the fact that the point guard

position is made from probably three distinct things when it comes down to decision making, leading the team, and being able to contribute. Amen. And distribute. Amen. So when you talk about Russell Westbrook's abilities

as a true point guard, he does everything all the other point guards do. Passes, he makes the great plays. He can make the right play when given the opportunity. What he has that the other guards don't have is raw athleticism.

He has the competitive fire to look at his defender and say, you're not in my way. I'm going to go past you through you. I'm going to obliterate you. The reason why when Russell Westwood was with KD and all the other point guards in the NBA

could not stand him is because he took it personal every single game. Kobe loved that. So it's not about the media discrediting Russell Russell. It's about his peers. Kobe loved him. And his peers came in and said, hey, man, I don't go a fuck about him missing threes.

I don't go a fuck about him turning the ball over. He's the hardest player to guard in the NBA because he will cross you over and dunk on everybody on the whole team. He will come at you full speed and he will slow down and hit you with his mid-range that is automatic. So was D. Rose. And then you look at things like rebounding, right? Jason Kidd rebounded. He did. He passed the ball.

He got a lot of triple doubles. He didn't do it like Russell Westbrook, though. He didn't do it like that. But guess what? We didn't criticize Jason Kidd for step. Hey, Kenyon y'all box out. I'm going to get the rebound. Y'all go.

I don't know anything about that. Hey, Russ, tell Stephen Adams to box his ass out. I got the board. Y'all go. Stephen Adams never average over 10 boards a game. You know why? This is our offense. Me.

21, 7, and 6, that means I was still getting bored. I was still passing the ball, but it's not good enough. How many assists of Steph Curry averages the most in his career? Eight, maybe? Seven around there. Eight, maybe one year? One year? One year he did eight.

And that's good. One year he did eight, but all of a sudden he's a great point guard! We're talking about the essence of the position, the essence of what it is to be a point guard. The average nine. That's five of eight plus. Yeah, 2013. So when you look, when you look, you say, man, can Russell Westbrook set a team up? Can he put players in position?

Can he make the right play? Yes, he can. He's proven that. Can he destroy his opponent that's in front of him every single position? Yes, he has proven that. Does he make bad decisions with his athleticism and his raw abilities to go back? Yes, he does. He does at the highest level, because that's what comes.

comes with having that type of engine. Turning the ball. And when you're a coach and you understand what that player can do, you say, hey, Russ, you're not out there doing it on purpose. This is for the betterment of the team. You're making basketball plays. This is a basketball play. My bad coach. My bad coach.

My bad. That's me. That's on me. Because when you have the accountability as a great player, you know you made the mistake doing too much. You know that it's your fault. But when you criticize him based on him not being good enough or smart enough, that's that goes too far because Russell Westbrook is to me statistically the greatest point guard ever to play the game. So when you talk about how it looks on the floor, it may not look like you wanted to look like John Stockton and Jason Kear or Chris Ball. It may not look like that.

But none of them three guys can jump over people in dunk. Lupa and Joker lead to turn over that New Jersey. Oh, really? Yeah. Say that again? Luca and Joker lead the leader. Oh, I don't think they heard you.

I don't think they heard you. Luca and Joker. Luca and Joker. Lead the NBA and turnover. Lead the NBA internal. But they didn't say nothing about his triple double right now. Oh, yeah. We'd be turning that bitch over too.

Because when you're getting in triple double, you're going to have some turnover. Why does the bride lead the whole NBA and turnovers? Because he's been playing so many years. Because he plays a certain type of basketball. Head down. I go, I got athleticism. I'm going to make basketball plays, and if I miss you, let him finish, okay.

If I miss you, or you drop it, or whatever happens, that's basketball. It's the part of, if he had a hooper, Russell Westbrook is the ultimate hooper. Regardless. Can you tell me exactly what Kevin Durant said again so he can hear it? He said, what exactly? I can't, what? I will never win a chance. championship with Russell Westbrook as my primary decision maker.

Okay, so I'm glad you said. Decision maker as the primary guy, meaning everybody you named, right? Everybody you named the three man, the five man. You're naming a whole bunch of people that's not playing the position where you're supposed to turn the ball over the lease. where you're supposed to make great plays. There's no hero play. If Westbrook was a shooting guard with these same stats, he is considered one of the great,

he is competing for the best shooting guard ever. But the position you play, this is like a quarterback. This is like your quarterback having four touchdowns, two turnovers every game. Your decision making during crunch time is questionable. Right?

So yeah, your motor, your motor that you have get you in situations that we don't need right now in the last two minutes. We don't need to turn over. I don't know how. You know why I call bullshit?

Because he went to Golden State and Steph Curry was not the primary decision maker. He didn't need to. Staying again? Wait. You say he didn't need to. That means that he wasn't.

Okay, listen. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know why he went there so he could be the primary. decision maker. Because while you were here with me, I got the ball in my hand, meaning you want to be the guy that the ball in your hand. And I'm not giving it to you. Okay, because I'm the point guard. Okay. Look what happens. Now I left not because you can't do what point guards do. You went to a fight. You left because I didn't want to give it to you.

Okay. So that's bad. So decision. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. No it's not. No, it's not. You're not passing to the MVP. You're not Steve Curry. Step Curry is not the decision maker. Step Curry is not the decision maker.

Mr. Kren is not the decision maker. Dremond. So you wanted to go play with Dremont. You didn't want to go play with Steph. But how is step? What is step top five? How is step top five?

Passing it to the DECB? But Steph is not the decision maker. It doesn't matter. It does matter. It does matter. Your argument is this. No, there's not an argument. But argument is you have the ball.

I'm the best player on the team. Stop making turnover. Stop doing your own team. You know what's crazy? What's worse is that he would rather have Draymond Green be his decision maker. But where we go with me? I'm just saying like the same guy who puts them off the team?

Make a smarter. The same guy who put them off the team? Hold on. Hold on. That's my point guard. Make smarter decision. Pass me the ball. Kevin Durant.

That's cool. You're not the decision. You're not the decision maker. You don't shoot that. I'm the decision maker. Pass-beat about. The same shit that happened down there. Who was winning before you got it?

The same shit happened down there. Hold on. You had a problem with me and you love over here. No, don't do that. Don't do that. You left whites. Don't do that. Don't do that.

You left us Rust didn't give it to you and then you left us Stamond did give it to you. What are we talking about? A one sense. What are you talking about? Not this. My. decision making it.

You have a sports. Listen. They're not arguing nothing. During the wrong time of the game. He's losing. That is what I'm complaining about. He's losing. You're turning the ball over when we need great position.

That's it. They're losing an argument. It sounds dumb. But your argument is not my argument. They were young. Yes. They were young. And we got to the finals.

Okay. And they lost in five. Get out of here. It's LeBron and D. Okay. And what you think was going to keep happening? What you mean? What you mean?

So you said, they're talking about what you we think. What do you mean? We're going to win eventually. No, they're not. No, they're not. Don't tell me what you would have. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, skip, go ahead.

In that finals, it's the baby thunder, and they're too young, and LeBron's arrived with D. Wade. Okay, I got it. But do you remember what happened in Game 2? It's the turning point game because the Thunder won the first game at home. Game 2 at home, halftime, ABC, Magic, Johnson said that is the worst point guard play I've ever seen in a finals game. That's a quote for Magic Johnson that he reiterated after the game, which they lost. And they proceeded to go to Miami and lose three in a row. And in the closeout game, Russell Westbrook shot four of 20 and was

just a nightmare. That's what you saw early. And that pattern continued, which is why he doesn't have a championship and why a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer has now been on six teams in the last seven years. I've never seen that before. Katie. Okay?

Katie is, has he been since out of seven? And Skip, and Skip. It's easy for Westbrook to really go hunt a team and he can say I can win with them. I could. But he didn't.

But he didn't. Okay. But he did. You're going to criticize him for not being a champion now because he didn't go chase the championship. Nobody's. Nobody.

You're mad at him. I want to ask the question. You're mad at someone's decision. They traded them for. You're mad at someone's decision that he made. So it's because you want to stick around. It's because you want to stick around. So we got to praise people for sticking in.

Is nobody, is nobody, it's, you're mad at the man's decision. That's a good question. If I don't want to play with you, I don't want to play with you. That's a good question. Nick, what's the question? It's a good question. It's Westbrook fault when they was a. up 3-1. It's all

Westbrook. Nobody said it was all his But he's asking, is it? No, no, no, no, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. When Katie said, that's why Katie said, I don't want, I can't win a championship if you're making the decisions. Okay, you know what that means? But we're up 3-1. When we're up 3-1, we're about to win.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Do you know what that means? If you are the driver of the car, I can never get to my destination if you're the driver. Yes. You were driving. We were right there at the destination. And we didn't get there. We're driving, you're drinking, you're on the phone, you're doing it.

It's West Briggs phone. Nobody's, no. He just, that's what I'm trying to say. So being a great player like KD, you can't pull one of them games out? 3-1. Three-one. No, I guess. You can't turn.

You can't? You can't pull. So every game. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, let's be pretty smart. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You quarter them because they were kind of silent right here. Didn't you just say, did you just say, why can KD get us one? Okay, no, no, no, okay, it's 803.

Because you said something when you was pretending to be Westbrook. I don't need to give you the ball. It's my ball. You said that, right? I'm the point guard. Yeah, yeah. I'm the point guard. I'm the point guard.

Yes. I'm the point. Yes. Because I'm the point guard. Yes. So how can I get one of those. Three one. How did we get the three one?

How did we get the three? How did we get to 3-1? Katie was in a position. I was steal the point guard too. Okay. I was steal the point guard. Okay. So what are you doing?

Okay. So what are you doing? Okay. So what are you doing? Take us over the top. So give me the fucking ball. You got the ball. You got the ball.

You got it. Obviously you're not. Obviously, you're not giving me the ball. If I have a problem with it. But you got a problem with Dreyman too. So you had a problem with Raymond. It's a decision-making dog. Stop trying to pretend to say something.

Right. Listen, at the decision making. The decision-making. Hey, J-Mond. At the end of the day. Go me to me. Give it to me. Listen, at the end of the day. That's why he's enough for J-Mah, right.

Don, listen. At the end of the day, if there was up 3-1, if you want to blame it on Katie, cool. At the end of the day, I'm out. 11. I'm going to go over here. Do you leave if we win that? Westbrook, 11 for 28. 11 for 28.

This is your point guard. 11 for 28. You're the MVP of the NBA. 11 for 28 10 for 27 7 for 21 This is the point guard How many shots did he have?

That was him No, the rant That was him How many points? How many shots did the rents? This was him That was the ranch This is no this is

This is the point guard That's what the Russs Meaning if I'm the I'm not reading the right I'm not getting the ball I'm the MVP My point guard Is 11 for 28

from the field 10 for 248 from the field 10 for 20 same. What games are those? What games are those? Lost, lost, loss. So those, okay, what about the three that we want? The one-one, one.

Read those. By picking and choosing what you read to make the make the, make the, what are you talking about? Read the fucking wins. We lost. We lost. We lost. What are you talking about? They lost because of your point guards. Oh, we didn't, man. What you're talking about? They lost because of the

That's why Katie's a two-time champion. The MVP. MVP. Like you said, I can't win with you making my decisions, homie. Pass the ball. That was one way. Seven for 21. Pass the ball. Pass the ball. Five for 14, ten for 19.

Trying to take up for somebody who can't get to the final. And then he average, then he average 20. Steph game three? Steph game three, he had 11 points and he shot the same type of Westbrook? No, Westbrook. No, Westbrook.

But I'm just saying, except there what? He took the same amount of shots, though. Who is the point guard? Who is the point guard? Jemond Green. Oh, there we go. Rest of them. And she did it? What's that over there? That's a goal post. That's a goal post.

He just moved that mother. How? It was moved. It was moved. He moved. What was moved? It made a say, if you were making the decisions. You answered it for him.

If Draymond was not a point guard then, right? No, Draymond was making the decisions. Not someone taking 28 shots. Katie never said the point guard. He said, who's making the primary decision making. Who's making? Not who's bringing the ball. Did y'all notice when they were all together?

When James Hardey came in, who was the point guard? Who was the point guard when they were younger? Clay Thompson, Katie, he's making all their decisions. That's why he let the team assist. See, y'all didn't even see the decision. That's why he led the, so he should be top five point guard all times. He should. He should.

How is he not? How is he not? How is he not? He needs someone to possible. He won him two straight championships. That's Draymond Green. You know, Hey, go over here, go over there.

I will give you the ball. Hey, but watch out. Hey, hey, Draymond, pass it to me. Pass it to you for what, motherfucker? I won this shit. You ain't did this shit. You could go somewhere else. The reason that K.D. left Golden State

was because he realized he was never going to be as big in Dubnation as Steph Curry. That's what that was about. What about Draymond? I was about to say that. How did you not know that going into it? I don't got nothing to fucking do while he left O KC. Right.

God damn. It was about Raymond. It wasn't about it. It wasn't about ball holding when we need to back. It was. It had to be because Raymond had the ball and it didn't pass it to them. Like if I said he can't win a championship with me because I ain't passing it enough, I know what he means. Right.

What does he mean? It sounds like y'am, because Russell didn't get the ring because Katie left. No. It sounds like the same thing. It sounds like Katie said, I can't win with you, making decisions because you won't pass me the ball when I want it. Okay. Now, you did the same thing with Draymond.

Hey, Draymond, hey, give me the ball. I want you. Man, niggins say your team is my team. He criticized somebody's soft mentality and putting down the next person. He left because Draymond called him a B word. Cool. Okay. Cool.

What did I do with the argument? He told him me was winning me before you. What is I had to do with the argument? The argument. Why did the argument start? Why did the argument start? The argument started because I didn't throw you the ball. You wouldn't have to do it.

Why it started. The argument started because you were open, you fucking kept the ball, and you turned it over. We went to the fucking bitch and we were like, yo, nigga, throw me the ball. That nigga, shut up. This is our way. Okay. So one play out of that whole year, they won two championships. Stop the whole dynasty.

And I'm saying, stop the whole. I laughed because I won before you and I want that. Cool, that has nothing to do with the argument. Stop the whole dynasty. The argument is, his argument is, I can't win the champion. if you're driving this car. If I'm driving the car and you want to assist me, we have a better chance.

But if you think you're the driver, I can't win a championship. But he never drove the car. Exactly. He didn't win. He didn't drive in no championship. Who did it? Because West.

Hey, D. You just said, Dr. Maherin, what's the fucking driver? You know what driving means? Uh-oh. Okay. Do you know what driving means? Who to go post? No, do they?

You know what driving means? Can we ask you. Like you said Jason, you know how like Jason Kidd, when he went to Dallas? They have dirt over there. Imagine if Jason Kidd took 28 fucking shots, 27 fucking shots, while dirt is sitting on the court. They're not winning shit. And he's going 10 for 28, 10 for 30. Like what do you?

You got dirt on the court. Jason Kidd ain't nowhere close to what Russell Westbrook was at the time. Of course. Of course. Damn. Can you please educate him? One, one, one knew who the star player was and I'm getting him to ball. Jason, kid in Dallas, bro.

Tell him his career. Jason and kid with the New Jersey. Let's keep your movement. Yeah, let's go. Jason kid with the new jersey. All right. All right. Oh, that was quick.

Rashad, last thought. If I may tell a quick personal anecdote back in 2012, baby thunder, I'm on first take. Day after day after day, I had to talk about how Russell Westbrook was starting to take more shots per game than Kevin Bleepin Durant. And the more I criticized, the more it became an issue in Oklahoma City to the point that one night before a game, KD called over the Oklahoma City reporter, the beat guy, and said, write this, Skip Bayliss does no shit about basketball because he was defending his little brother. And I'm like, okay, you took one for your team. You're trying to keep them together.

But I said the next day on the air, Kevin, you know and I know he shouldn't be taking more shots than you. And that was the God's truth. And that's what showed you the rest of the way. That's what happened is that as he showed you when they're up three games to one, that's what kept happening. Russ just says, give me the ball and get out of my way. And he's not a pure shooter. If he were a pure shooter, this would be over, man. And he'd be like we'd be talking about top five ever all time of any position.

But he's a lousy jump shooter. There was no automatic to that mid-range shot. He just, it's just too many missed shots, especially from three when it mattered the most. And Kevin knew it. Let me ask you this. The year after Kevin left, who became the MVP of the league? Okay. Russell Westbrook?

No. No? No. No. Win the very next year? The very next year. I think he did win it the next year. Okay, so regardless of that,

my point, my point being, my point being is. They say 30th year after. Russell Westbrook, I'm not going to say anything. Okay, because you said, my point is, that wasn't my point. It wasn't my point. That wasn't my point. My point is this. It was.

So it was the next year? Okay, so all that woofing for nothing. Okay, cool. Listen, the next year he got a triple double. Do you think that a player has the room for growth? after looking at why you lost this particular series, you go back the whole summer. Okay.

And you say, I fucked that up. I should have, I should have, I should have did this. I should have did. You don't think that maybe Russell Westbrook has some regret about how he handled that particular series. Right? And then he did an interview. I don't know if anybody isn't paying any attention. He did an interview.

It was like, the last thing I thought was he would go there after they just did this to us. we're supposed to run it back. Because us running it back, I get to go back and look at my mistakes and say, you know what, let me get with Bigfella. Let me let him know that'll never happen again. That'll never happen again. So without him, I had to go show him this is what I could have potentially did with you on the team, regulating myself to go pass it to you more, rebound to you more,

and take advantage of my mismatch in a more efficient manner. Okay. A more efficient manner. Okay. Those 11 for 28, see, I shot the, I overshot. I overdid a lot of shit. You know why, though? Because I don't fucking like that, like-skinned nigger, Steph Curry.

I don't like him and I was trying to kill him. I was overdoing it. Trying. I agree. So, when you look back at growth as a player as a hooper and you can go and analyze that, and you can say, damn, man, I really did fuck that up? But damn, Bigfellow, did you have to go? Did you have to do that?

Like, damn, why don't you didn't even have a conversation with me? Nah. You didn't even come talk to me. Nah, hell. I thought you said I was little bro. How did the MVP's team go on the postseason that year? I don't remember. Tell me.

Now where. No, no. No, no. No, no. We're out in five to Houston. Did we have enough? Did we have enough? Did we have a conversation with somebody who don't want to give me to fucking walk?

No, you know what? We didn't have enough. You know what the funny part of it. Imagine if we stayed, he stayed and we have this conversation? Yeah, hypothetical. Yeah. Hypothetic. Yeah.

Just hypothetical. No. You know, it's just hypothetical. You know, it's just hypothetical. I mean, but you're the point guard and you tell the money to get the fuck out the way. So that's why I have the conversation with you. You know what the funny part about it is? Oh, man.

Like, what? I remember saying this. It's too easy. And I said the way Westbrook thinks he has the Kobe in them, meaning. That's true. When the number one goes out and he gets to sniff the crown, you're not getting it back. It was going to be a battle for it. So what happens is this.

That last year, Westbrook is trying to show him, I'm not Robin anymore. Mm-hmm. I'm Batman. They're fighting over Batman. We've seen this before, right? We're fighting over... We're sitting...

Hold on. We're sitting right now. Either Batman or Superman. It was never a Robin on those teams. Right. So, Westbrook has never been robin. You're crazy. You can call him whatever superhero in the D.C. Listen, you're not calling him a Robin.

If I'm period. If I'm MVP, everybody's robbing. Oh, yeah, yeah, Robin. Because I took 28 shots. Robin don't take 28 shots. Exactly. So, like I was saying, that year, I don't win MVP. Hold on.

Hold on. He never seen Robin win MVP. Hold on. So again. Yes, we have. We have seen Robert. Jalen Brown. Hold on.

No. Yeah. So we're at this stand still where I got hurt, you took over and you average 28 a game. You like that. You like the idea. If I'm not here, you're MVP, right? So in this finals, so in this finals, I'm trying to show you I'm him. And me and you are at odds right now.

When you leave and say, you know what, we're on two different levels. I already won an MVP. I'm trying to win a championship right now. You want to show the world that you are him. As you should. So I'm going to move over, let you be him. Yes, you should. Both became right.

No. Kevin Durant won the championship. Westbrook showed the world that he is the number one option. I'm rolling. I won an MVP. They both did exactly what they were fighting about. Same thing, Kobe and Shaq. Shaq and Kobe.

I'm the number one option. I'm the number one. I'm the number one option. You miss some time. You come back. Hey, hey, take a back seat. I'm not taking no back seat. Get the fuck on.

You leave. I show the world who I am. That was the same thing here. Nothing changes. Katie led the team of shooting in that 3-1 series. Five game, five game, six game, seven. He shot more than Westwood all games. Each game.

Why the fuck are we shooting closer to the same if you're the point guard? Right. You big, because we are, we are Superman and Batman. We are Superman and Batman. No, we are. He's making up shit. I don't need my point. I'm making up sick.

I don't need my money. If we were, if we were then you would be it. You need points. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Because when you were down, the reason we were here

when you were injured, I was being Superman to get us here. I had to get us here. So now that I'm here, you're talking about, I don't need my point. Fuck out of here. What a nigga?

Accept it. He just said he shot more. He shot more. Every game. What's the reason? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

What the L? Because the MVP didn't step up. The MVP didn't step up. What you mean? The MVP did not step out. No, my point guard didn't step up. Step up. Give me the ball.

I helped us get here. Give me the ball. I helped us get here. I helped us give the ball. Since you don't think I don't need it, cool. I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you. I did.

Next year, right? What happened next year? Right, and then what happened again after that? You got to go home. You got somebody that's number one name. You got somebody. Nobody number one, Steph Curry. You went over here.

You left. You left over here. One one game in the finals. Who's over here? Gentlemen, if I may interject. Who's over here? Step Curry's over here? If I may interject briefly,

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What are we talking about? You see? I mean, we cooked them. They got cooked. We cooked them. They got cooked. They don't even know. They don't even know.

They don't even have facts. They don't even have facts. They're not in fact. They're not realizing. Both made the same amount of shots. There's one that's supposed to be the primary shooter. One's supposed to be the primary decision maker. Meaning what you do at the end of the game is the result of wins or losses.

Right? Wins or losses. Your decision, meaning make great passes, make great plays, make great shot. That's what you're supposed to do. So, like, let's say I go, let's say, I dunk, I score two, then I get three free throws, and then you come down here, shoot a three. Then you come down here and get filed. And then you come down here, shoot another three.

And then. Westbrook was three from eight. No, no, no. I'm talking about the last part of the game. You're going at the stand. No, no, I know what you're looking at. Let me say this again. He's not looking at the game.

He's looking at the stats. No, no, no, I'm looking. He's going to try to paint it like this. No, I'm not just going to read. The stats are the stats? I'm just going to read it. Okay, so Katie gets filed. Free throw, free throw.

And then he comes back down, makes a three. And then he comes back down two free throw. So that's one, two, five. That's seven straight points. Then Westbrook comes shoots a three. Then Katie was one from eight. Then Katie missed a shot. There's no context on.

He threw it to Westbrook. Westbrook was open and shot the three and he was kidding. That's not the context, right? It's just, oh, Westbrook come down and just shoot a three. Come on, man. Start the narrative. KD. Dund.

Go ahead. Can we finish? Katie Dunk comes down three throws. Westbrook takes another shot. Westbrook shot. Westbrook got offensive rebound, passes out to KD. Katie missed. Westbrook comes down, shoots a three.

Offensive rebound. What's her name? Loseball foul. Westbrook. So again, when you're talking about my point, this decision maker, like I said, I said if Westbrook was the shooting guard, the same stats, the same stats, he's arguing as the second or third best shooting guard ever. But you're in a position where you're supposed to be the smartest decision maker. unlike Steph, Steph don't have to worry about those decisions

because he has someone to alter it. That's Draymond Green. All he has to do is shoot the ball when he's open, make plays here and there. He don't have to worry about trying to run an offense like Chris Paul, like Rondo, like Jason Kidd, like John Stockton.

So I'm pretty sure without even looking, if you take the number five, which is Westbrook, and then you put everybody in front of them and that's in front, their pass, their assist the turnover ratio is by far in front of Westbrook's. Westbrook was so gifted at what he did. It was either the Wayne Wade style, meaning you have a regular point guard who, you know, when Westbrook was really good, when he had Watson, Watson's the point, get the half court,

zipper up Westbrook, give it, now go. right so the decision is i already made the decision as the point guard i'm calling to play westbrook come in you're the shooting guard same thing with miami um the wayne wade started as the point guard then they just say you know what it's better if he just gets the ball in a half court and runs his offense from here versus coming down full court thinking you have to score every time. And with an engine like Westbrook, you really believe that no

one can stop me. If I had the same engine, I'm playing the same way. I'm trying to score every time because there shouldn't be nobody in front of me. So in comparison to all of the... But I'm in a position where I have other people would have had, I got to make other people

better. So you're talking about traditional point guard, right? That's what he's getting judged by. Is it? Yes. Okay, so is Russell Westbrook not one of a Yes. Yes. Yes. He is one of a kind or a traditional point guard? Which one? So if he's a one of a kind, which means we've never seen this shit before. Uh-huh. Which means that there's an exemption of him being a traditional point guard. No, you want an exemption. We're not giving you. Well, Steph, so Steph is a traditional point guard?

No. No. So why is he considered top five? Okay. Who holds the ball more? Who makes more decisions? No. At all, because he don't have ball. Just Drayman does that. So why is he being considered the top five points? So who's making the decision? Who has the ball making the most decisions? Steph Curry or Westbrook?

Westbrook. Okay. Now, so. Why is that? So who's making the most turnovers during the last five minutes? Westbrook. Who is making the most bad decisions? Westbrook.

Okay. Westbrook. Why? Why? Because he's playing the point guard position. If Steph Curry played point guard, he would have more turnovers. He would have more things that we can criticize him off because he doesn't play a traditional point. So fuck out of here.

Try him. What's up here. You're moving to go. You never got no facts. Westbrook is a one-of-a-kind point guard that does multiple different things. Steph Curry shoots threes. Cool. That's not a point guard.

I don't need it to be a point guard. So obviously he's not top five. If you don't need him to be a point guard, we won't. We want Wester Westbrook handling the ball doing what he'd do at a one-of-a-kind staff. No, no, no. Because he does, he rebounds, he defends, he plays hard, he does all of the things that you want a point-car to do. Yes, but just in the last five minutes. Anyways, anyway.

Cool. That sounds good. The shots, the shots doesn't matter. Now it don't matter. It's what you do. It matter when Westbrook take 28 shots. It matter when he takes 28, but it don't matter now. Come on, man.

Drink some wine or something. Get this nigga some wine or something. Get this nigga something, some tap water. Get him some of that flint shit. You gotta stop. Get him something. Put some core feel in that shit. Can he need to clear his mind out?

Flint water? Something. So I got Steph who's taking five shots going three for five in the last five minutes, one assist, no turnovers. Versus someone has two turnovers over three in the last five minutes. When you're being judged as a point bar, he shot 20. the last five minutes?

Please stop comparing. Are you listening to what I'm saying? When you're being judged as a point guard, it is the last five minutes of the game. That's a fact. When the game matters the most. That's why Hardin and Chris Paul bumped heads because both of them are thinking the same in the last five minutes.

Chris Paul wants the ball. He didn't like James Hardin taking certain shots in the last five minutes. He don't like James Hardin just throwing a ball and making one or two turnovers in the last five minutes because Chris Paul's last five minutes his turnover ratio 0.0.0. Meaning the last five minutes if you want a great shot every time down

Chris Paul by NBA centers by history is the most important person to have the ball in his hands because he's going to make sure you get a shot every single time versus somebody like Hardin who might who might hit two threes, he's gonna come down and do two cheap, heat checkers. He can't do that in the last five minutes. When they was up, three one, what was that?

Like, was it good? Whose? Westbrook. I don't know. Go look at the last five minutes. I was just telling you that. I was just telling you that. Did James Hardin say, I can't win with a point guard like Chris Paul?

No. He didn't ever say that? No, no, no. Why wouldn't he say that? Because I just got him to fuck out of here. Was they battling? Was they battling? Was they battling? No, no, no.

Was they're battling in the fourth about who should take the last shot? Yep. No, no, no, no, no. Hey, listen, traditional point guard who wants to do this? I didn't say. I got this. I'm going to do it. My way.

I didn't say who takes the last shot. I said who makes the decision. Who was making the decision? James Hardin, right? Yes, he was making the decision. So the traditional point guard wasn't making the decision. And what happened? Because James Harder wanted the ball.

Let me do my game. And Chris Paul is like, hold on. Let me make sure we. get the right play, I'll still give it to you. I don't, we don't need those, heat check threes in the last five minutes. We don't need none of that. We don't need the, how many threes do they?

How many threes? How many threes? How many threes? Okay, did Chris Paul play? So if Steph Curry is not having the ball in his hand in the fourth quarter to be a point guard to get criticized, that means he's actually not the one that's going to get criticized because he's not going to turn the ball.

He's all the only think he's going to do his suit. That's a great play. I mean, well, a bad shot is a turnover. So that means you're not being the point card. No, no, no, somebody else is making better decisions. So that means that Steph Curry is exempt from the conversation because someone else that can make better decisions. No. No.

It's handling the ball. All that happened with Chris Paul was he kept pulling his hamstring right on time when they had, they were up. That's the only thing. Can I ask you a question? That's the only thing. Let me ask you a question. They win game six. They can answer this, right?

Y'all can answer this. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy decision. Chris Paul in the last five minutes. is considered a go-dad decision-making and good shots and less turnovers. How many straight threes did Houston miss?

28? 28? Was it 27? 28? 20 straight? Was Chris Paul? No, the game that matter. That was the game that matter.

Was Chris Paul there? Nope. Because I can tell you, Nope. If Chris Paul was there. If Chris Paul was there, those don't. You can't do the game.

It doesn't happen. What I'm saying is that type of guard that don't happen. We're not going to go 27 straight missed threes because, hey, hey, hey, we already missed 12. Run offense. Let's get the ball down low.

When I'm Russell, Wehbrook, and you're Kevin Durant, I take 28 shots, you take 31. This is what the game looks like for our team. No, that's no. Period. That's what it looks like for you. That's what it looks like for you. It looks like that for you because you think you need to take the same amount of shots as me.

I don't think shit. When you was down, I had to keep us up. So now that you back, guess what, bro, I'm not going down. I got to keep us up just like you trying to keep us up. So you can take three more shots than me, bro. Here you go. But look, I'm still going to take my shots. And that's why.

And that's exactly why he laughed. It's like, oh, damn. They all one. Like, imagine Steve Kerr talking about it. You know what? I get to do this and Michael Jordan, I know you Michael Jordan. I know you got this. I'm going to still here sitting there do my thing, dang, dang.

Steve Kerr wasn't the, who, but you left, you left Golden State. Like a guy who wasn't taking that. I want to. I want to, no, no, no, no, guy who wasn't taking that. I got what I wanted. I still want it. I still want it. Skip, what, Skip, can you read it again?

Because I think they'd be missing. He wanted to the champion. What did he say again, Skip? Can you please remind him? I wanted to go and play with Draymond Green. No, no, no, I'm not what he said. So Draymond Green can help me win a champion. What did he say?

What did he say? Come on, skip, give it to him. Kevin Durant said, I will not win a championship with Russell Westbrook as my primary decision maker. When he left, what did Kevin Durant get? Go to a championship team. He got a championship, right? He got back to back.

Okay, okay. So I got what I want. I went to a team that went to check. I got back to back. And I went to the team that beat us. He went eight and one in the finals. I got back to back. Eight and one.

And for Westbrook's credit, I'm a number one option. They're both, the both arguments, they work perfect for them. So neither should be mad about nothing. Right. You shouldn't be mad about getting criticized going to the team that beat you. No. Shouldn't be mad. Nobody's mad.

Who's mad? Yeah, not at all. It's been mad. It's looked like y'all. And where do you start his career at? Superronics. Supersonics. So speak about that.

NBA getting closer to expansion, according to Shams. The league will hold a vote at the Board of Governors' meetings next week to explore adding expansion teams exclusively in Las Vegas and Seattle. With both new franchises being targeted start playing in the 2028-29 season, this would be the first in a series of votes, which require approval from 23 of the league's 30 owners. So according to projections, the two new expansion teams can fetch between $7 to $10 billion each in expansion fees

with estimates that both markets would be a month. among the NBA's top eight revenue generators. If Seattle does get awarded an expansion franchise, the Thunder would give the Seattle history back to the Sonics, just like the Pelicans did with Charlotte got the Hornets back in 2014. So the wolves or grizzlies are expected to move to the Eastern Conference if the NBA improves expansion teams in Vegas and Seattle. So we'll start with you first.

What's your reaction to the league moving forward with adding expansion teams in Seattle and Las Vegas? If you put a team in Seattle, that's considered an expansion team? It would be the re-emergence? potentially the Sonics, or they could change their name. They do have the Seattle cracking out there. They could be the Seattle was cracking. Do that mean more games?

Same amount of games. A lot of games. 16 teams per conference. The problem with the thought of this is this. The economy is always the problem with the professionals, especially for NBA. The lack of what you can do because of city size. small market teams because of the economy that it's in have a problem

with keeping their players getting outbid so Seattle getting a Seattle getting a team I don't know man I mean listen I know they had one it was great they loved it there that's my favorite thing it was I mean it was a booming place for basketball there

but times have changed right times are changed like are you going to be able to afford the players and keep your players there's new things that have evolved in this game

there's new money bigger money if you're not in a big state where you can charge 20,000 for front row no matter who Memphis gets they can never charge 30,000 for a front row ticket

So LeBron coming there They can't change their ticket prices like that Job coming to L.A., they can charge 30,000 for the front row. You see the difference here? LeBron goes to Memphis. The most they can charge is five grand. Well, why have any small market teams?

Exactly. No, no, no. Don't do that because let him cook. Let him cook. When he passed it off, I use the facts were actual. Just like the NBA decided they want to take All-Star Weekend out of small markets.

There's just things small market cities just can't do that everyone else has the advantage over, right? And that's the problem, right? So as great as this is, it's like, well, are those two teams going to be heard by it? It's either put another team in California, put another team in New York, put another team in Texas, give Florida or another team probably. Canada, right? The big market is that can, that can actually. keep up with everybody else. Vancouver's, huh, yeah.

There is a deal that went through in the league. I think it was like the deal with Fandul and Draft Kings, fantasy sports, where you can bet, right? You think the owners get a piece of that pie? No. So if the owners get a piece of that pie. But you're saying they do? You're talking about market share. Let's talk about markets, right?

Let's talk about small markets, big markets. If the markets are now obsolete based on the Internet. There's a thing called the internet. There's a thing called a broadcasting deal where the games can be pushed internationally. So metrics based on attendance for owners are going to be less important than how many people are betting

and supporting the game online, a viewership online, our bottom line based on how much we spend on players and how much we're getting on our outside investments. So when you look at the outside investments via Drive Kings and Fandool and look at all the other small market teams in the NBA, they're not complaining about their bottom line because there's going to be some broadcasting money coming in from that.

So Seattle, back when the super signs were hot, Ray Allen, let's go back to the rain, man. There was no true internet that could actually increase this. metric. Now that there is, even with Ray Allen there, the internet was still there, but it wasn't booming for them to make profit. Now that it is, Vegas and Seattle can benefit from even low attendance. Because don't the Grizzlies have low attendance? I wouldn't say that Utah has low attendance, but maybe Milwaukee's starting to get a little bit of low attendance. Certain teams get low attendance, but they're not complaining about bottom line. It's still the four players.

it can still push money out but what this does to the league and the overall bottom line for the league is it gives us another team to implement into the sports betting world where we got more guys that can come on this team we can stretch the league out

we don't have to have super teams where we got four guys on this team five guys on this team hey you guys go over here you go over here let's stretch take it back to the old school take it back to the old school he's not saying he's not saying

take it back to the old what I'm saying is I know you want the silence, but don't be shaking your head with these talking. He don't want me to sound like I know what I'm talking about. The shit he says does not, no, just when he gets to you, just like you want to sign. He's so, don't be shaking your head, the shit he said. He's, you know what I mean? He is so much competition with you.

You know what I'm just saying? He is so much competition with me. It's too easy. I know you want to decide. It's too easy out here. There's what he's saying. He don't like it. It sounds.

It sounds so good. You want the candy. You're just not hearing what he says. You don't know I'm trying to be a journalist. I'm researching all of this kind of stuff, man, and really understand market and ownership investments and how the online. How it actually affects everybody.

Why are you so in competition with me, Roy? So yeah, if you're running this out sports books, I think the Wizards, Cavs, Sons. So the Wizards, Cavs and, the Wizards? Wizards, Caves, Sun. So the Wizards, Caz, and what's him, got sports books? Yes. Are those smart markets?

Yes. Now, I'm glad you said that. Now, can you go to their evaluation of what they're worth? Please tell him what they're worth. What does their worth have to do with anything? The worth? Yeah, what does their worth? Because you just said a small market worth should be this from a sports book.

They got a sports book. But you didn't listen to nothing I said. You were just waiting to talk. No. You didn't hear nothing, I said. You wasn't listen. You never listened. No, no, no, no, no, no.

See, you're pretending that the draft teams, the underdogs are splitting money with the teams. Well, we're splitting money with the teams. Oh, I never said that. I just insinuated that that could be a possibility. So you're, you're saying a whole bunch of nothing and that's why I don't listen. Because you don't use no faster. Just talk. So what are you saying then?

You just talk. Hey, hey, let's hear what you say. Let's hear what you say. Let's hear what you say. Let's see, instead of talking loud, more than you say something smart. Instead of talking loud, say something. There can be a team. There can be a team.

Say something smart. You're starting off dumb. You're starting on dumb. There can possibly be a team on the moon that can get kind of this revenue from space money. And because they can get possibly this money from space money, they can get anybody they want. And then Wimby can go up there. He can be the alien. Then he can win all the awards because that's the possibility.

That's when you can't compete. You do shit like this. This is called moving the goal pole because you can't compete. You move the game. You move the. You can't compete. You didn't say nothing real. They'll say something real then.

Let them hear something real. Nobody was listening to that shit. They heard what I said. What I said sound better than what you said. Sounds better. Hell yeah. Sound way better. It sound more realistic than what the fuck you said.

Realistic? Yes. What I said is show them the realistic. They have a sport talking about. Did the market value on this small market team jump? Did Cleveland jump in front of anybody with that? Did Utah jump in front anybody with that? Did they lose money?

Cleveland, Wizards, did Wizards? Because of this market they're in, let's try this again. See, New York is a big market, right? L.A. is a big market. So let's say, let's see, Shea, right? Shea comes to L.A., hottest man on earth. The market of L.A. Fluxuate.

So that means my front road ticket is who's usually 10,000 a night. I can charge 20, 50, 100. Hey, when Kobe played his last game, here, how much did they charge? That's a bonus money. Hold on, hold on. How much did they charge? What was the broadcast?

50 to 100,000. 56. What was the broadcasting deal? You told me to finish. You don't know I know what I'm talking about. The broadcasting deal is not a part of the sports book. See, all that shit is extra money. So again, so the bottom line market,

if the same person goes to, the opposite. So if he went to Utah and their bottom line front row seats is $2,000, they can't charge $50,000. The economy can't pay $50,000. The fans can't pay $50,000. So the bottom line

for the economy dictates small, low market. And that being said, does the Lakers have their own TV broadcasting? Do they share with anybody else? They do have games on Spectre Sports. Do they share with anybody else? Can you tell them the answer? They do have their own. Do they

share with anybody or tell them. I think they put that in their pocket. Oh, they put it in their pocket or everybody's pocket. So that means if you're Utah and you have, hey, can I get some money? Because we don't have a TV deal because we're Utah. And I'm, as the Lakers, I'm going to say, I'm sorry, you had a bad investment and you put a sports team in Utah. That's not my problem. Broadcasting deal.

What was the broadcasting deal? But the TV deal in general, so basically how it's- Don't do that to them. TV deal gets, everyone gets the same amount. But so owners split it. 130th, right now. You add two more teams is one 30 second, but that's $76 billion

plus a $7 to $10 billion with those different franchises. So everybody gets spread out, right? So we don't lose around the board. No, no, we don't go from only 3.3% to like 3.1%. Big market teams don't lose, period. Because they could charge and get

extra money based on the attendance and all that. We know that. I'm not talking, I'm talking about Seattle and Las Vegas being able to implement themselves in the broadcast and deal and still be a good market team based on anything. They can bring in players. They can do things and thrive because all the games are online.

We don't have to depend on attendance. I forgot. I forgot that he doesn't understand the difference here. It's like when you play Monopoly, right? Right? We all get the same 1,500. But we all. That's the bottom line.

But then there's the one or two people who are the bank and they got an extra $1,700 in their pocket, right? They got a board of advantage over everybody, right? If we're starting all with the same amount of money, you got extra money. Because it's called cheaters. Okay. Right? You put extra money in your-clippers, right? Like the clippers.

So the big market. So if they end up getting a big-time owner in Seattle with big money, you can't do certain things. But you can cheat. So again The board starts off evenly That's the broadcasting deal Then there's the advantage Where I can quadruple 10 times

My ticket prices Every game if I want to I have my own TV deal Where I get extra money from So I have this We all got 13 what? How many bills do they get? What was it even Across the board money they get?

For what? That is say everyone gets 10 million I get 10 million like we all do, plus the extra $35 million that I get from my business itself, meaning I can out pay for your players.

Nothing changed. Why don't the Clippers and the Lakers tickets are the same? I don't want to be the Clippers and the Lakers. Go ahead. You're right. You're right.

You're right. You go ahead. My bad. You're a Dallas Cowboys. You're right. He didn't. Go ahead, Nick. I feel like

you're talking about Scouts in Los Vegas, man. You're talking about Scouts in Las Vegas, man. You're down as Cowboys. You're down as Cowboys, right? Their franchise is worth, wins or lost, way more than everybody else's, right? In the world. In the world.

It has nothing to do with winning now, right? They haven't won? Obviously. They haven't won. But the franchise itself has an advantage over everyone else because they make so much more money. Meaning, if he really wants to win a championship, who the fuck is going to stop him?

Well, everybody. Everybody. I mean, yeah, they're going to vote against them. No, I mean, you got to make smart moves, and he doesn't make smart moves, but that's a whole other issue. Bro, you're homeless, bro. Where do you stand on this expansion discussion? You're homeless. You got nowhere to go.

Go ahead, see up. You're going to go in your talk. You already told me I can't nod my head. Just sit back. Just sit back, man. Where do you stand on this expansion discussion? Good or bad for the league? I think it's great for the league.

I cannot believe this league has not expanded since 2000. and four were Charlotte. That's a long time with no new teams. And these teams are all clamoring for slots. And listen, already they're saying that Seattle and Vegas teams would be worth $7 to $10 billion. Excuse me?

Billion dollars already? Like, boom, here, this is worth $7 to $10 billion. And Las Vegas, speaking of media markets, is the 40th market in the country, 40th, but it's the destination city. So now everybody wants to play in Vegas because everybody goes to Vegas to watch games, right? I'm about to go to Vegas right now.

Okay, there you go. I'm about to go right now. I ain't going to watch no game, though. I'm going for the work. Okay, but all of a sudden we got Raiders and we got Golden Knights and the A's are going to Vegas and now some NBA team is going to Vegas. And I look at all the media markets

that are way above Oklahoma City or Las Vegas because they're 39 and 40 in media markets. Oklahoma City is doing okay. Like people are going there to play, right? I mean, I don't know. They're pretty good. They look like they're positioned to be real good for a long time.

The team. Okay? The team. But again, players are going there to play for the thunder, and I think they will continue to. So the point is, I look at all these teams. Tampa St. Pete is the 11th media market in this country. and they don't sniff a basketball team.

I don't know if all those old retirees would go watch the NBA. Maybe that's the problem. I can work with, though, they should have a team. Okay. And then all these, like St. Louis, they've all had forms of teams before, like ABA or whatever, but St. Louis, Nashville, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Hartford, Kansas City, and Cincinnati, those are all pretty big markets that you say they could deserve and probably support an NBA team. and they don't sniff one because Seattle deserves this team

because it's been 18 years since Oklahoma City stole that team and they condemned Key Arena as a dump and it ain't a dump anymore. Climate pledge. Yeah. Did it fix it up? Oh, did they? It's Taj Mahal. It's a beautiful city.

Okay? So they deserve it. It's great for the league and they'll just move either the Timberwolves or Grizzlies over to the east and it'll be just fine. I mean, I don't see any, any, problem here, I can't believe they don't expand a little more. You think it should be, you think?

I think Memphis should move to Nashville, though. They could. It would be, it would be way. Memphis is, I like to hear there. Nashville is booming. Man, I love it. I like booming. Skip, do you do me in favor, though? Could you just tell the people to put the tombstones in the chat?

No. Tombstones in the chat. Tombstones in the chat? Tombstones. Tombstones. Why? Would he say something that you liked? Yep. What do you say? Everything he said, I like. Everything he said, I like. Everything he said, especially the seven, we'd just like seven billion?

Yeah. That's going to be, no, no, for Vegas. He said seven. That's your fees for both those teams are projecting to be in the seven. That's a lot. Evaluation, right? Fees. So that now gets lit up between the other 30 owners, if I'm not mistaken.

It's unbelievable. That's a lot. Seasdoll. Seattle's a great city, too. It is. They like their basketball. They love their basketball. They're going to show up.

It's going to be sold out for sure. Great wheat. Very good. No, that's so much. Got out Sean Kim. I'm sorry. It's important. It's too much.

It's a two different cities. It looked like downtown. It's a kid row in Portland. San Antonio Spurs, Guild valuation. Hold on. All right. Close us out, Joe. I just, you don't.

You don't call me hostage earlier. $4.3 billion. Wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. 21st ranked team. Wait, wait, wait. 4.3 billion. Spurs.

Are worth? The dynasty, the five-time champions? The current value is $4.3 billion. The five-time champions, how much? How much? $4.3 billion. Dallas won one championship? So one has five, one has one?

How much is it? But didn't it like it yourself, it's 10 billion? What were they in value in before that? Matt were worth 5.5 billion. It was about $4 billion? No. It was seven? Nix or were 10.1.

How many championships they won? How many? None. 10. Not enough. So one has a dynasty, so it has nothing to do it, right? So it's not doing it. It's just a six.

Four point three. When did it? I mean, I'm sure it'll rise. It's going to rise. It's going to rise. It's not a rise. It's not. Don't cheat.

Can't change it in comedy. That's shit ain't going to rise. Don't rise. Hey, Nick, we've been to San Antonio for the, Nick, it ain't It ain't riser. It ain't nothing out there. French fries is now in town. Man, listen.

We got crepes and French kisses all around. Nick, we went down there for the final area. That shit is not rising. You bring France into San Antonio just like you brought in Thailand. That's fair. That's fair. All right. All right. That's good place.

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