Gil's Arena - SGA & The OKC Thunder's BIG Win TRIGGERS Gil's Arena

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Shai Gilgeous Alexander & The OKC Thunder's BIG Win SILENCES Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew react to the OKC Thunder taking Game 5 of the Western Conference Finals and give their biggest takeaway...s from the reigning champs getting 1 win away from back to back trips to the NBA Finals. They break down how Victor Wembanyama deserves more blame for the San Antonio Spurs' losses this series and react to the Alien ducking the media following the Game 5 loss before analyzing how the Thunder's role players like Jared McCain & Alex Caruso are stepping up to save the team in the absences of Jalen Williams and Ajay Mitchell. Next, they react to the announcement of the NBA's All NBA teams and give their biggest winners and losers from the league's placement of their top 15 players of the season. They then give a post-mortem of the Cleveland Cavaliers following their sweep to the New York Knicks and break down what went wrong for the Cavs as they went out sorry, debating if the team should blow it up after James Harden & Donovan Mitchell proved they do not have enough juice to overcome the best in the East. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Brandon Jennings, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:57 SGA & The Thunder Silence The Spurs 0:06:17 Chet Finally Shows Up Against Wemby 0:48:05 Reacting To The All NBA Teams 1:20:52 Jalen Duren Earns A Super Max 1:40:58 LeBron Misses Out On All NBA Team 1:54:54 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog WootWWW! Woo! Okay, that was a very spirited Woo-W-W-W-W-W! Appreciate you guys on this glorious Wednesday, Hump Day for some. Some teams got humped. Some teams got over the hump. But this is Gills Arena presented by Underdog Woo-Boo. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson.
Starting point is 00:00:22 We got one of the biggest legends in the sports media games, Skip Bayliss. Back in the building. And making his return, day two, from the far east corner of the world. We have NBA champions. We have NBA champion of the world Swaggy Pete, Nick Young. Swaggy. One who. Okay.
Starting point is 00:00:43 A.k.A. Bruce Leroyer, aka. Blackie Chan. What's up, Swat? Keep a straight face. He's growing in life. I like this. You know. Embracing all cultures. He took a trip.
Starting point is 00:00:55 He took a show today, you know? You do. After yesterday, it's time. It's time to show you who Chong Long Lee is. Tong long me. Catching bullets with his teeth. And on this side of the couch, represent tough crowd and a car carrying country club member
Starting point is 00:01:14 and also the purveyor of Tough Crowd Golf. We got Mr. B. Brandon Janix. H! H! H! H! H! H! H! H! H! Shown! H! Was it. Last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry, NCAA champion of the world,
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Starting point is 00:01:46 Cooper Flack? Okay. Cooper the Hooper. Cooper. We got a lot to get into. Here's what's cracking in Gill's Arena today. The Underman Thunder protected home court to take a 3-2 lead in the Western Conference Finals. What do you call it?
Starting point is 00:02:03 The Underman, missing Jalen Williams, missing A.J. Mitchell? What did you call it before? Hmm. What goes down and where? Huh? And what show? What? He did the arena.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Oh, okay, okay. The Underman? What you thought he said? I thought he said something else. I said, here's what's Cracking at Gills Arena today. Oh, see, that's what he said. Underman Thunder protected home court to take a three to lead in the Western Conference Finals are Wimby and the Spurs cooked.
Starting point is 00:02:34 The league announced to all NBA teams, but did the voters get it right? We weren't going to hit this yesterday. We had to hit it today. We had a very spirited discussion debate leading up. into game five the Western Conference Finals but we will discuss the all NBA teams
Starting point is 00:02:46 today. And fresh off a sweep in the conference finals the Cavs have some tough decisions to make this off season should they run it back with Spider and the beard
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Starting point is 00:03:13 Get started, just use code Gill when you sign up and it'll load instantly. Underdog, make picks, win money with Code Gill. And with the playoffs heating up, Underdog is dropping 6.40% boost during the conference finals. Boost your lineups all series long and call your shot on Underdog. You better get it while the getting is good. This series may not last much longer, according to some on this couch. But if you can't watch the show live with us on YouTube, we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. So let's get right to it. Spurs put together a defensive masterclass in their game four win over the Thunder and the Western Conference Finals, holding OKC to season lows of 82 points and 33% shooting, including 18% from 3.
Starting point is 00:03:54 And what proved to be the Thunder's worst game of the season, series shifted back to Oklahoma City for a pivotal game 5. So when the conference finals are tied to 2-2, the game 5 winner takes the series 76% of the time. Thunder once again without Jalen Williams and A.J. Mitchell as Jared McCain got his first career playoff start. SGA and a supporting cast understood the tests and had all the answers. Let's take a look at the highlights if we can, please. Very extensive highlights. So Julian Champany was 6 for 31 from 3 through the first four games of the series. Pace to Spurs scoring 13 of their first 18 points, including three shots from distance.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Chet Holmgren had eight of the Thunder's first 15 points going four for four from the field. While Wimby had just two points in the first frame attempting one shot, and SGA was one for five from the field with three turnovers. Thunder had seven turnovers in the first quarter alone, giving up 11 points off of them, but still led by two heading into the second quarter. OKC caught fire to start the second frame with SGA on the bench, going on a 10-3 run to take a nine-point lead. Thunder led by as much as 10 before the Spurs responded, going on a 90 run of their own to cut the deficit to one. But as Shea got to cooking to keep the Thunder in control, scoring 12 points in the final seven minutes of the half. As OKC outscored San Antonio 40 to 31 in the second quarter take 11 point lead into the break. 69 first half points just shy of their, just 13 shy of their total from game four.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Thunder kept rolling in the third quarter, starting the period with a 9-0 run to take a 20-point lead. Wimby gave a squad and then passed his speech on the bench during the timeout early in the quarter. and the Spurs tried to rally cutting the deficit to eight as various points in the third frame. But Jeremy McCain doing stuff like that. SGA also came through with five straight free throws late in the quarter to keep the Thunder lead into double digits. What the hell? Oh, no. You see it.
Starting point is 00:05:57 In Caruso, the Caruso, two-time champion. Former Los Angeles Laker also getting it done as well. So SGA also got a tech, shot off free throw for a tech on Ms. Johnson after the refs didn't allow him to challenge a call. OKC came through with some timely buckets in the fourth quarter to neutralize the Spurs attempt at a comeback. SGA finished with a game high 32 points on 7 of 19 shooting along with nine assists and six turnovers.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Back-to-back MVP attempted a playoff career high, 17 free throws missing just one. Alex Crusoe bounced back from a donut in game three to lead the bench with 22 points going four for eight from distance. It was the fourth time in the last five games. Caruso scored at least 15 points. Jerry McCain had a 20 piece and Chet Comer had his best game of the season, 16, our best game of the series, 16 and 11 boards. Isaiah Hardinstein 12 and a game high 15 rebounds. While shutting down Wimby on the defensive end, Wimby, worst game of the series, 20 points on four of 15 shooting, 0 for 5 from three. He was 12 for 12 from the line, but had a negative plus minus for the first time in the series.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Stefan Castle had a game high 24, along with six assists and five boards. Champany, 22 and eight boards. Darren Fox, though, nine points, eight assists on four-for-fifteen shooting. Thunder held San Antonio to 40% from the field, 29% from distance. OKC, now one game away from reaching two straight finals for the first time in franchise history. Here was a post-game reaction from both sides.
Starting point is 00:07:22 The team was huge, and I obviously, let me just mention. Chet was big to start the game. Obviously, the bench group came in and gave great minutes. But, yeah, those guys, like, I always say, like, we're a team out there. We don't get this far. I don't have this individual success. This team doesn't have this success without all 15 guys in the locker room, and we proved this tonight.
Starting point is 00:07:47 If it was full five MEEs out there, we would have been down 20 after the first quarter. But the guys were great to start the game. Yeah. Probably should never start like that again and give us a better chance to win a ballgame, but guys held it done. It just felt like it was a little bit of everything in terms of We did not put ourselves in position enough to be successful in each possession And so to beat a team of this caliber in their building with what's the stakes Will need to be a lot better to give yourself a chance
Starting point is 00:08:24 Mitch Johnson sounding more and more like Doc Rivers every single day as this series progressive but swaggy we will start with you honorable enlightened you have the glow what are your biggest takeaway
Starting point is 00:08:37 from the Thunder's game five win over the Spurs well knowing I got championship experience myself just came back from being the part of the triads you see it
Starting point is 00:08:56 I knew this was going to happen You know, when you get a championship team back against the wall, they always respond well. You know, Caruso, the other guys, Chet took the challenge. Hockenstein was out there rebounding, playing hard, got a lot of, you know, second place points for him. For me, I think Wimby get away with a lot of things, a lot of calls that could have been fouled on them. How many times are you going to say that? Victor Wimbled Yama. Yeah, he's out there just fouling and get it.
Starting point is 00:09:30 away with it. Every tape. Yeah, because it's true. I see it, you know. That one time when Chet, you know, almost dunked on him, went to be whole arm, held his arm the whole play. And that comes because he's not a part of the game. He went to the monks.
Starting point is 00:09:43 He should have joined the triads. You know, it's a different part of, different lifestyle. So, Swag, you're trained with the monks and the triads during your time. Yeah, yeah, I got a little bit of both worlds. And you know these type of things when you're a winner, when you won a championship and been in that situation, 2-2, going back home, take your business. That's why I say it's over in six. They did everything they were supposed to do.
Starting point is 00:10:09 McCain, not being a part of the team last year coming in with big minutes. They're a stacked team. All 15 guys play well. You know, Jaylon Williams got out of hand a little bit. I seen a floater from almost three-point line. That was kind of crazy. But besides that, they played very well. They respond to well like the championship team.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Good. And shout out to whoever in the chat said, dim some, lose some. I thought that was particularly well crafted. But let's shift over to this side, Mr. B. Yeah. What are your biggest takeaways from the Thunder getting that pivotal game five win over the spurs? It's how bad winby played. He had no intensity, no energy.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Harkinstein took him out the game early. This was Chet's best game so far this series, which he came in and had a double double, They started McCain. He struggled in the first half, but in the second half he came out, he came out hitting shots, which helped them a lot. You know, get it twisted. SGA, he is still shooting back poorly from the field, but he's still finding a way to get it done with having less superstars on his team. And I mean, I mean, Thunder are 10 and O when they do lose. So they are proven that they can bounce back. They are showing that. And I think this is over with.
Starting point is 00:11:33 I think the spurs are done. When B, he's not consistent enough. And he just, you know, he likes to settle. He likes to settle. And they went away from what they did in game four. So I don't know what they were doing. I mean, whatever they did in game four, they definitely didn't bring it to game five.
Starting point is 00:11:48 And it definitely showed all night. So I think this is over in six, like Nick said, and we can move on. And pop wasn't allowed in the building. No KC. Let's shift over to you, Dr. McCamp's Ph.D. You've been rolling with the Spurs, rolling with Wimby, also known as Wamba Wamba here in Gills Arena. What are your biggest takeaways from the Spurs
Starting point is 00:12:12 losing that game five, now down three, two, as they had back home for game six. That's crazy. Nick, you got some type of influence to create a character and come on the show in a different outfit. I wonder where you got that from. But it's cool. We didn't play well.
Starting point is 00:12:36 It's not a wimby thing, it's a team thing. Particularly knowing that you know, you're going on the road and against all lives, back against the wall, you gotta play the perfect game. Everybody's against you. A couple things that are glaring is second chance points got to box out
Starting point is 00:13:02 got to finish the play you know with a young team like this they just got to understand that every possession means something they play fast because they like to play in transition they like to get quick baskets get downhill but this is deep
Starting point is 00:13:16 into the playoffs where that can create turnovers and that's what happened in the first two games and I think slowing it down in game three and game four allowed them to adjust better But right now, as far as, you know, understanding the hoop talk, you have to understand the power of your star and your role players effectively. And I think they got away from that, understanding that they need to slow the game down and take every possession to heart and every defensive possession to heart.
Starting point is 00:13:53 And when you don't do that, you end up falling behind early. you end up digging yourself a hole. And this is a team that's, you know, never been in this position before. So mentally they're going through some fatigue of knowing that unethical basketball can take a toll on you when you're playing unethical basketball.
Starting point is 00:14:14 And, you know, when you're out there, you're out trying to figure it out, trying to figure out how to maneuver around certain ailments of the game. You can't blame nobody. you have to always take accountability. So I see Wemby taking accountability in the huddle. He came out invigorated in the second half
Starting point is 00:14:35 because I think he was a little bit down on knowing what he was dealing with in the first half, not playing well. But I think, you know, you rally back. When we down, we take our Ls. We take our Ls and we go into the next game knowing that we have to take care of home. And when you go home and you take care of home,
Starting point is 00:14:56 You don't make no complaints. Three, two. We knew this was going to be it. We never said that we was going to predict no game five win, no game six win. We want to go seven. So right now, you know, we're not going to be like the masses. We're not going to be like everybody else. And just take, give predictable takes.
Starting point is 00:15:16 We're going to take our L. We're going to go back to the drawing board. We're going to figure out what actually going to work for us this time around. Caruso hit shots. McCain hit shots. Those same shots came from the same game plan that we assessed in game four. We took away SGA. He was 0 for 8 at one point.
Starting point is 00:15:34 We really made him struggle. Everybody else showed up. You got to understand something about hoops. Wimby's struggles don't come from him not being that guy. His struggles come from a good team making adjustments defensively, as they should. So when you see Wemby struggling, he shouldn't be getting to the same spots he was getting to when he had 41. He shouldn't be doing the same things
Starting point is 00:15:59 and getting to the rim and getting lobs like he was before. Because as an adjustment for a good team like, okay, see, you take that away from him. You crack down, you make sure he doesn't get the lob threat. We make those guys on the backside, shoot threes.
Starting point is 00:16:13 We depend on them making their mission shots. And that's what they did. We didn't make shots. They capitalized on the other hand. Both Williams kids came in, they hit shots. I love what McCain did as far as off the dribble. He's more crafty than people give him credit for. And you just, when you know the game, the way that both teams know the game is a chess match. And that's
Starting point is 00:16:38 why I think it's going to be a good series. It's a good series based on knowing that every game is going to be different. So you can't go into it thinking, oh man, Winby this, oh, SGA that. I'm not going to say that at all because SGA didn't play the greatest game. Found a way to win. Wimby didn't play the greatest game. He found a way to still go out there and compete. So at the end of the day, you know, you got to tip your hat off to him. Good game. We got the next one.
Starting point is 00:17:04 So Thunder, six for 33 from three in game four. 14 for 32. Open shots. Game five. It didn't show up. Role players stepping up. He didn't play a part at all. He quit.
Starting point is 00:17:17 It didn't look like the MVP. It didn't look like the best player in the league to me. It was not the win VP in game five. But let's get. What I'm messing up yelling at people. See you rock. The Thunder Hat and support. You guys can no longer trigger me.
Starting point is 00:17:29 I'm untriguble. We're just saying facts. We're like a pussy to me. Wait, I haven't spoken yet, so we'll see how you react. No, I have no reaction. You can't make me react, man. Well, that was easy. That was easy.
Starting point is 00:17:49 That was easy. So, Steven Spielberg has a new alien movie coming out soon. It's called Disclosure Day. And last night was Disclosure Night. It was a turning point game five.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Spurs coming in with all the momentum. The money was pouring in as the spread fell and fell and fell in favor of the spurs. And on this night, the alien proved to be a hoax
Starting point is 00:18:24 on both ends of the floor. That was the key both ends of the floor, the alien was a hoax. The alien looked like just another Earthling last night in a turning point game five. The alien looked bad during the game, late in the game, and especially after the game when he ducked the media.
Starting point is 00:18:48 That was not taking accountability at all. That was just straight out baby behavior to me. Hard to duck the media when you're 7-5. Yeah, it is. Good point. We'll see you leaving. And it sure, it sure looked to me like late in the game when he did get pulled with 213 left, and I'm surprised the Spurs coach waved the flag that early in that game. But he did pull Wimby with 213 left, and as Wimby left the floor, it looked to me like
Starting point is 00:19:18 he leaned over and whispered to a couple of his bench go in and take their pound of flesh and go get somebody, and it looked like they were trying to get. Jared McCain. That's what it looked to me. Always the kid with the painting narrative. You're creating the narrative, Skip. Create the narrative. It's always the looper with the painting of narrative. Don't get triggered.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Don't get triggered. Don't get triggered. Uh-oh. Objection. Objection. Objection. That's not what was said. Objection.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Objection. That is not what was said. You wasn't reading lips, Skip. Don't be put words in his mouth. I see. him cut. Go get somebody. What's going on?
Starting point is 00:20:02 Go get somebody. That's what I heard too. Yeah. Jared McCain said as he went to the free throw line after he got hammered, he turned to Biombo and said, what are you doing, man? And Beambo said back to him, and I got another one for you because the hit had been put out by the leader of the team who then ducked the media after the game. Man.
Starting point is 00:20:24 And the Oklahoma City Thunder playing with. without its second and third best creator score. Managed to go from scoring 82 points in game four to 127 points in game five. That's a 45 point improvement from four to five against the greatest defensive player ever. How could that be? With Victor Wimbunyama as the primary defender last night,
Starting point is 00:20:58 the Thunder made 11 of 16 shots. He looked lost on defense, the defensive player the year did. He looked lost. Eleven of 16 shots on the greatest defensive player we've ever seen, the alien. And by the way, Isaiah Hardinstein held Wimby on the other end of the floor
Starting point is 00:21:21 to three for 11? Wow. Three for 11. He went overall, as Josiah pointed out, 4 of 15, he went 0 of 5 from 3, and as Brandon pointed out, he mostly played two guard all night, because in his mind, when he looks in the mirror, that's who he sees as a two guard. And would you believe that in the first half, the alien had one total rebound in the first
Starting point is 00:21:46 half of the pivotal game 5? And that was the second time in this series he's played an entire half with one rebound. One rebound. That's impossibly wrong for the alien who's seven foot six. He got six total rebounds. He should get six before tip off just because of
Starting point is 00:22:06 his length. I watched Isaiah Hartinstein out physical Wimby, out mental Wimby, out Will Wimby, just flat out out
Starting point is 00:22:20 Hustle Wimby. I mean, I didn't see, as a random point, did you see any energy? Did you see any urgency? Did you see any fire and desire? Because I saw next to none because I saw Hartenstein have 15 rebounds. He got six of them on the offensive end.
Starting point is 00:22:39 And they were psychological killers, man. All of a sudden, Thunder missed a shot, miss another shot. And Eyeheart goes, and the eye hearts it out of the air, and you say, oh, we got a new clock. Let's start over. We'll get one now. And Jared McCain makes a three. And I don't know
Starting point is 00:22:56 that I've ever heard his name brought on any sort of national TV forum. But the coach of the Thunder, his name is Mark Dagnall, most people don't know it, but I got to tell you, he's looking to me like the best coach, especially playoff coach, in all of basketball. This is Mark Dagnall who never hooped. He never played basketball.
Starting point is 00:23:23 He was a ball boy at Yukon. Oh, wow. That guy is looking like the best. coach in the NBA, the best big game playoff coach, because he pushes all the right buttons. He is just subbing and subbing and subbing constantly. He just keeps blowing bubbles and making subs, and they all click. And I got to tell you, after Jared McCain's first half last night, he went one of five,
Starting point is 00:23:50 and that made him two of 15 over the previous six quarters, counting the game for debacle at San Antonio. Two of 15. If I'm the coach, I'm putting him on the end of the bench in the second half. I'm putting Isaiah Joe in or somebody who can shoot. And Dagnalt said, no, I'm going to stick with this guy. He's hot. He's hot. He's cold. He's hot.
Starting point is 00:24:11 He's cold. And guess what? He went hot. And he scored 18 in the second half. That was Dagnalt just keeps blowing bubbles and playing chess and beating the Spurs coach at the game of chess that you referred to. That is going on.
Starting point is 00:24:27 And I got to make a case for the crew show. Everywhere he goes, good stuff happens. And once in a time, he was undrafted. And I can make a case that even though he goose-egged in game four, I can make a case that right now, and we still have a long way to go, but right now he's the MVP of the conference finals. I can make that case because I'm looking at what he keeps doing. Look at him.
Starting point is 00:24:59 He's a plus 45 when he's on the floor. They're a minus 36 with him off the floor. So every time that button gets pushed, not good stuff, great stuff happens. He saved the game in the first quarter. He ignited the game in the second quarter. He saved it in the third and fourth. He just keeps making plays. And the MVP, the back-to-back MVP, as you correctly refer to,
Starting point is 00:25:25 he's played by his standards poorly. The whole series he's played poorly. Shooting. Yeah, shooting. But last night, guess what? He did get the calls he deserved last night. That's what happened. And he got to the free throw line
Starting point is 00:25:39 and he made 16 of 17. So that was his contribution. He went to the line and he cashed at the line. Say it again? Yeah. He said it again. Ethical foulbedee. He got the what he deserved.
Starting point is 00:25:52 He planned like he knows he goes to get the call. He deserved. I'm going to make sure you clear. Jake, like he knows he ain't going to get called. Russell's the X factor in this ears. Yeah. The original limit. Are y'all the echo?
Starting point is 00:26:02 What, what? No, I'm just saying. You just get, you're just, it's, that's one. Yeah, yeah. We'll be yelling at me. Hello, hello, hello, hello. Oh, you got his finger finger. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
Starting point is 00:26:15 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, shl out, Hey, chill out, hey, chill out. Are you here? I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. Better behave. All right, chill out, hey. Hey, Skip, where to go. You're going to start saying crazy stuff now.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Let's go. Yeah. You got any rebuttals? Yes, I'm dude. Okay. It just seems like, you know, breaking down the game, right? It's not a wimby assessment. I don't think everybody should go on the whole wimby assessment.
Starting point is 00:26:42 It is. Because I never do. Talk about the spurs. Just so happens when he plays well, they play well. When he plays bad, they play bad. You know, that's why the series is three. too, you know. At that one point, there's times where he plays spectacular. You just said your MVP hasn't played great at all. He has not. So damn, are we not allowed to have a bad game?
Starting point is 00:27:05 But he's allowed to have four bad games. He's doing it. Four average games. Four average games. But then he got the calls he deserved. Finally. You know who else played last night? Tony Brothers. Scott Foster played that night before. and the crew. Tony others, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we don't bring Tony up
Starting point is 00:27:28 unless we have to. Discuses. During a rebuttal. Yeah. Is that an excuse? Like you said, we don't do excuses, I thought. Is that an echo?
Starting point is 00:27:36 Excusees? You hear that echo? You find no excuses over there? You find something over there? So yeah, I mean, at the end of the day. At the end of the day, whatever. I mean, we can say Caruso, play.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Great here, great there. You didn't say that shit. That's your last game. He played great last game, but he's MVP when he plays well. It's all good, man. There's nothing going to unalive you guys from yesterday's episode. You're saying unalive to adhere to YouTube policies. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:05 You're going to be there. You're there. You're going to stay there. No matter how much you'd feel like you should rise yourself from the graves. You're not, right? Even if we, even if. You didn't have coffee. Even if.
Starting point is 00:28:20 You didn't have coffee. Even if we don't go, we still did what we had to do. What you do? And we got games left. It's not over. Even if you don't go ahead. Just like you predicted last night was supposed to be a spurs win. It was supposed to be.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah. Should have been. Now you're here celebrating, right? Because it went your way. Because we're a game-by-game analysis and we don't really want to go through the whole series. Well, I said seven. I didn't say six or say five because that would give you an advantage. Not going to give you an advantage.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Oh, you see. Anybody in that seat don't get no advantages. You should have called the last guy and asked him. So what happened to the last security guard, the top flight. Right. Top flight. Ain't no changing. So the question for you, Shott, Wimby, third and MVP voting, first unanimous defensive
Starting point is 00:29:12 player of the year in NBA history. You don't even know what happened to the last security. Would you say he's the best player? You've argued best player in the league, but best player on the Spurs team. For sure, the best player on the Spurs. Okay. So had his worst game of the series Tuesday, scored just two points first quarter, took just six shots in the first half,
Starting point is 00:29:30 scoring the bulk of his points at the free throw line. So in both of the Spurs wins in this series. Wimby had double-digit first-half shot attempts, took 22 or more shots in those games. But he's taken six or fewer attempts in the first half in each of the three losses with 16 or fewer attempts in those games. So Wimby has previously said he needs to be. more of a team player, but obviously the team plays better when he's more aggressive offensively
Starting point is 00:29:54 after the game last night. Miss Johnson echoed the statements that he needed to shoot more. The Spurs will not be able to get it done when Winby scoring 20 points. So how much blame does Wemby deserve for the Spurs three losses in this series? I've seen somebody's take. Gil posted his take on this particular scenario. I'm going to steal his take since he's not here. Literally, when they play good, they play through Wembe. When they play bad, they play guard-a-centric basketball where they go away from Winby. And last night, you've seen that they were playing more on the perimeter than they used to.
Starting point is 00:30:29 And for Wembe, trying to be the decoy is not going to be his expertise when he's on the floor, trying to be the team player that he sees in his mind, which is allowing the other guys to be involved. And for him to inject himself in a position to be more dominant, he hasn't gotten there yet. to be the guy that's saying, give me the ball, give me the ball, go through me. He's still a very team first oriented guy. And I think even his statements of saying he needs to be more of a team player came from helping on defense more and stop being more selfish on trying to get the block and get back to the rotation, giving Caruso all those shots in game three.
Starting point is 00:31:12 So now you're looking at offensively, okay, look, we got to figure it out because he's taking a lot of bad. shots in that last game and it comes from him forcing it. Talking about a guy who's trying to make it happen. All of those guys are trying to drive and make things happen, but you got other guards out there that can actually get to the hole and get easy buckets, but you got to give OKC credit. They do play defense still traditionally where you can rotate, get to the spots, make them drive and kick. They're not a bad defensive team.
Starting point is 00:31:45 They're one of the best, if not the best. They do give up a lot of open threes, but you got to make them. You got to make them. And we didn't hit. That's what Castle said in his press conference. You know, aside from defense and fouls and the pressure that OKC put on them, we got to hit open shots because that's what OKC forced last night. We're taking Wimby away from easy buckets in the paint,
Starting point is 00:32:10 which is going to leave three-point shooters open. That's four players down stopping Wimby from the lob threat. And then you got Fasel, Johnson, and all these guys missing shots. And it wasn't a big disparity when you look at the stats from three-point. There they are. Castle played well. It's not well enough. But it was Wimby yesterday, though.
Starting point is 00:32:32 It was Fox, too. Fox had nine points. Harper didn't play well. If you get physical with Wemby, it takes about the game. He's done. And you could say he wasn't being aggressive, he was trying to. They was just being physical. No, for sure.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Same thing. What Castle was doing the shit. Yeah, that's what O'K says. Okay, C said. Do what they do in the way. Be aggressive. Be aggressive. That's the same thing they did when they beat him from Hark and Sine doing that other shit.
Starting point is 00:32:56 But for Wimby. When B, he's shown to get frustrated. He got to do. He's frustration. That's all you got to do. Frustration. Elbowled somebody off of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:03 He yelled at his team yesterday. Like, it was Dave. He yelled at his team. He was yelling. He gave a passionate speech during our timeout. That's what he was doing. But at the point, he had nine points of some shit. Was he yelling at his team?
Starting point is 00:33:15 Like, it was day. He was yelling at his team like it was day fault. Come on, Nick. When you were the story and you got step up. Yes. So what are you talking about? You know what I'm talking about. Why you're playing others when you're the one that's messing up?
Starting point is 00:33:28 Okay, what does the leader do in the huddle, bro? What are you talking? Take accountability. What are you talking? So who else is going to be talking to the team then? What are you talking about? You're telling them to do something that sure you're doing. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:33:41 You should be talking about yourself. So who should be talking in the huddle, Nick? NBA champion, champion Lou Cornett. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, look, Harrison Barnes. Harrison Barnes should be talking. Okay, so what was...
Starting point is 00:33:52 That's who should be talking. So you didn't say that about Donovan Mitchell. He was yelling at his team? He stepped up. He stepped up to do what? They got sweat. But it's James. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:34:02 So why wasn't James doing it? Donovan Mitchell is the leader of that. Man, stop it. Donovan Mitchell is the leader of that. You're doing too much right now. No, you're doing it. Donovan Mitchell is the leader. Winby was trying to encourage his team to play harder.
Starting point is 00:34:15 How? You're not even playing hard. Yes, he was. You're not playing hard. You're not even going to the paint and not doing nothing. You're out here shooting. You're not going to do nothing. Are you all done? Are you done?
Starting point is 00:34:25 Your players getting punk. He didn't look like the MVP yesterday. Who's your player? Who's your player? Where your players at? Your player didn't look like MVP yesterday. Where your players at? Where your players in?
Starting point is 00:34:34 Ducking. Your players in Cancun. Don't want to talk. My players are still playing. Like, come on, man. What are we talking? My players are still playing. What happens?
Starting point is 00:34:43 Your players are in Cancunum. We did the adjustments. What happened? Why are you running out? We still got another game. All we got to do is just get you out, punk you a little bit, and now you're going to make that. We got another game. Watch out.
Starting point is 00:34:53 We got another game. Watch out. We got another game. We got another game. We got another game. Okay. No energy. Are we done?
Starting point is 00:35:01 Telling your teammates, go. Are we done with the gas sliding? Watch out. What's on. What's on. Is it obvious? It's too. Behave, man.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Did he tell. Did he tell Bips back and put him. He gets to. Come on, man. He get too. How you leave the game and not talk to nobody? I could get this type of shit from Chavez. Imagine if Shay left after that game four.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Imagine if Shay left after Lose? Imagine if Shay left after game four. Yeah, and then I talk to nobody. I mean, but I told you all what it was. They would kill him? Yeah. I told you all right. Bro, get the fuck out of here with that.
Starting point is 00:35:33 You know who did that before? They're 9 and 0 off a loss. LeBron James. They're 9 and 0. Arguably the greatest player in NBA here. Come on, man. The 9 and 0 after loss is. Come on.
Starting point is 00:35:42 I said in game four. I said in game four. They miss shots. Caruso is the X factor in this whole thing. I get it. It's a popular tape. He went zero. I'm telling you.
Starting point is 00:35:50 No. That's just like watching the box for after the game. It is what I'm going to talk about what I see in the box. It is. Your leader left. You're a leader left. He was crying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:59 He didn't want to go. He didn't want to go. Bro, you got another game. Game six is coming up. We got another game. It's okay. We got another game. We got another game.
Starting point is 00:36:09 We got him. He got another game. You know he's going to cry. Mr. B. How much blame does when me deserve? All of it. All of it. All of it.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Not 99. All of it. That dirty play that he told everything. Unanimous. Just like the deepest player of the year was unanimous? He deserved all of it. You're being disingenuous. No, all of it.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Remember he's the best player on the court? He's the best player in the league. All that. You don't want to face it. Now, watch out, bro. Because if that was Brian or somebody, y'all would be cooking Brian. It was Brian. It was Brian.
Starting point is 00:36:38 So get on him. It was Brian. And that's why they're going to lose this series. I'm broke back all. It was. Come on, S.J would never do nothing like that. S.J. would never do nothing. No, never.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Never. After a loss, I'm coming. And he's Canadian. Still coming looking like R. Kelly. They're supposed to be softer in front. And the initial rebrand. Y'all reaching. Skip, let's shift over here. How much for each other?
Starting point is 00:37:03 Reach for each other. You've been around a lot of basketball. Obviously, born in Oklahoma City. Spentcher, formidable years there. Yep. Before becoming a Spurs fan, they coming back. like the prodigal son, how much blame does Wimby deserve
Starting point is 00:37:16 for the Spurs, three losses in the series? Well, I can only deal with this one. And he did deserve the bulk of the blame for last night. And that's tangibly and intangibly. Because it started in the first quarter. There was a timeout called, and as he walked off the floor, he went out of his way to go over and ram Chet.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Yes. Because he doesn't like Chet. I got that, and I respect that. And too often, Chet has just shrunk in the presence of Wimbun Yama. But what did Chet do in response to that last night? He made all four of his shots in the first quarter, and trust me, because I'm rooting my ass off for the thunder, they were all huge because the Spurs jumped out 16 to 8 as the thunder are turning it over seven times in the first quarter, thanks to four. four turnovers from the back-to-back MVP in the first quarter. You just can't do that in a pivotal game five.
Starting point is 00:38:23 You don't usually get away with it. But the seven-foot white guy finally said, I think I'm going to play tonight. I'm going to actually, I'm going to shoot my shot. I'm just going to try. I don't know if Dagnall got to him or Sam Presti and just said, just shoot it. He heard me yesterday.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Just shoot it. Just go up and shoot it because you can make these shots, and he made all four, and they really saved the day and the night. That's what happened. Chet did that. And then it was interesting that Ms. Johnson allowed Wimby to run that huddle
Starting point is 00:38:55 in the third quarter because the coaches didn't participate in the huddle. It wasn't a coach's huddle. It was a Wemby huddle. And others, Keldon Johnson got involved some, but Wimby was the one, what, he's exhorting, he's yelling, it's a fiery speech,
Starting point is 00:39:10 however you want to look at it. He gave it his best, best shot. That's his early, what is he, 22 years old. So this is his first shot. I'm going to lead this team. And they come right out and I guess they weren't listening because Deering Fox immediately throws it in the third row. It's a terrible turnover that just took the life out of the speech and the huddle. And then late in the game, I don't know what happened because I'm not a lip reader. It just looks suspicious to me. It's a lack of leadership. If you're, if you're going to lean over and tell your two bench guys, your two goons, to go get somebody.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Come on, man. But if that's not what happened, you can't say that. It is what happened. It is what happened. It is what happened. Yes, you told him to his face. I got another one for you. He said that out loud.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Yeah. That's what happened. Yes, they sit him in there to go. What you send him in the game for? To bully a TikTok group. And not even him. Didn't Pumbley do something too? So Pumley hit him on the back.
Starting point is 00:40:11 They knew what they were doing. Wow, that's what happened. And you talking about Luke Dork. Y'all the dirtiest players in the league. Luke Dork. You got the dirtiest players in the league over there. You got to come up with him. He's the baby of the league.
Starting point is 00:40:25 God, he is. Y'all know we are live. They are watching. Did you see it? I've seen it. You got to come up with something else. He said I got another one for you. You got to come up with something else.
Starting point is 00:40:35 He said I got nothing. And then Palmley come in and just knock you with the elbows and shit. Guess who is, if he's not in the game, guess who don't get fou out? Come on, man. You know, I've been playing dirty. Castle out there playing football. You've got football and UFC players. Did you see that?
Starting point is 00:40:50 Castle ran into shape. And then Rashad, look, if you are the leader of this team, and it's a really good team, and it ain't over, we still get a long way to go, you have to go, suck it up, and take your licks from the media. You've got to go answer the hard questions because you can't leave the rest of them. to have to answer for you. And that's what happened. All the rest of them had to answer for him because he ducked. And it's just, he loves to,
Starting point is 00:41:26 he can front run. He loves to sit up there when the world's at his feet saying you're the greatest we've ever seen. Remember down the stretch of the season, he's up there after every game campaigning for MVP? I think I'm the MVP. I'm the MVP.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Remember that? Yeah. I believe it. Yeah. And now you have to take, take the bad with the good. And you have to show your teammates, I ain't running from nobody.
Starting point is 00:41:51 I'm here. We're here. And all you have to do is go up there and say, we're going to be ready for game six. That's all you need to say, but you have to be accountable to your teammates. And that was just wrong. And the NBA won't like it either because they're trying to
Starting point is 00:42:07 push him as the face of the league now. And he is ratings gold internationally. I got it. So you can't duck that responsibility. That's, now now you've got a crack in the foundation that he's
Starting point is 00:42:23 building. That's what you have. We see it. First was the elbow, now he's running from the media. Sean, do you think Wimmy Duck in the series is this for real? Do you think Wimid in the media was a big deal or not a big deal? I feel like he should have addressed it.
Starting point is 00:42:39 But the fact that he didn't is not the end of the fucking world. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's not the end. It's the end. It's a end. It's a fucking world for people watching and people pushing narratives. Yes, sir. When he talked about when other people did it,
Starting point is 00:42:52 you were saying that. I mean, shit, LeBron. Who did it? Who else did it? Brooks, man. Talked about Brooks. I said something about Brooks. No, I didn't.
Starting point is 00:43:01 So what you talked about? It would be the start of World War II. I remember. Who else did it? I just gave you one example already. Okay, cool. Come on, man. It's not the end of the fucking world.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Yes, he should have addressed the media. Yes, that's a certain point of you, like you said, Accountability for your teammates only cool Do we have other opportunities and that's true? To correct that yes Cracking the foundation come on man. You're being dramatic. We're not watching the fucking Titanic Okay, we're not watching the Titanic. I don't know if they go down
Starting point is 00:43:32 Okay, we're not watching the fucking Titanic have the spurs hit an iceberg No, okay, that's the biggest shit ever. I mean No Previously thought to be un-sicketing with I mean turbulence right now I mean if you're gonna duct the media that I mean you're better win game six. And you better come out winning the series. Well, it ain't going to change your perspective on Wimby.
Starting point is 00:43:51 You sit here and just Wimby, Wimby, Wimby, Wimby, like nobody else is out there playing in the game. Wimby, Wimby, Winby. Why does it matter? I mean, but when LeBron James was playing in the playoffs, it was, it was, oh no, LeBron James, you're the best player in the world. You should be able to get them over the hump. Wimby, you're the best player in the world.
Starting point is 00:44:08 You better get them over the hump. Same thing. Keep the same energy. Keep the same energy. Keep the same energy. That's all I want. You're going to say that about the 41-year-old LeBron James. Best player, he got to do it.
Starting point is 00:44:19 22, you got to do the same thing. I need that same energy. Say it with the test. Come on, be a dog. With your chest. He better get out of this series. Bro. You want to duck media.
Starting point is 00:44:29 Y'all know we live, right? Don't nobody believe this. Come on. This is a lot. I need that same energy. Don't know. No one believes. I'm part of that.
Starting point is 00:44:39 You're not believable. I'm tired of that. We don't believe it. We don't believe it. He ain't caught of that. Don't believe it. He ain't. Don't believe.
Starting point is 00:44:45 Don't believe. He ain't got to go. He has to be a little authentic here. 41-year-old. Come on, man. You're the best plan of work. You better get them over the hunt. That was a fell season.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Come on. This is going to be a fell season right here if you don't get over the hunt. If you got sweet. If it's a fail, I get rid. Yeah, he better get to the finals. Did LeBron get swept? His first final. I mean, the Lakers did.
Starting point is 00:45:06 What the fuck is he talking about? As a 41-year-old. Because you said LeBron Day. You was called off a lot. We didn't get swept. So, it don't matter if we got stuck or not. You better get out of this. What you're talking about, bro?
Starting point is 00:45:17 You're going to lose. If you lose, you lose. Is your team playing? Mm-hmm. Who are your team? Okay, C. Yeah, I bet it is. Mm.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Mm. Nicking. Lying on top. Lying on point. You just be lying on point. Didn't I tell you about the line yesterday? Then I tell you about the lion, the tiger and the bear. What noise did they make sure?
Starting point is 00:45:35 And I tell you. Who's my team? Huh? You don't even know. Tell me my team. You don't even know. All right. You don't even know.
Starting point is 00:45:42 You didn't even wear socks yesterday. You don't even know. What the fuck is you talking about, nigga? And the tri-ass, we don't wear socks going to tell me who his team here. And the tri-ass me don't wear socks. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Come on, man. When we come in front of here with that shit, man. Come on, man. Stop fucking with me. I do this. You got to feel the ground after you. You got to feel the ground out of you. So let's keep this thing moving
Starting point is 00:46:07 in a positive direction for something. For some. So we've talked about the chat versus Wimby rivalry. in the past. I think Wimby's basically said it's not a rivalry because Chet is not on his level. Chet made first team, or Chet made his first all-NBA team Sunday, left much to be desired in the first four games of the series. He was averaging just 11.6.6 rebounds. Shooting, 43% from the field, 33% from three in those games. Had his best game of the series game 5, 16 points on 6 of 9 shooting, 11 rebounds. Had that moment early on. Tried to dunk on Wemby. Shot clock expired. But after watching his shot get beat up for most of the series, it was, I think, refresh for him even though the bucket didn't count.
Starting point is 00:46:46 They caught Wimby later in that game. But Skip, our resident Oklahoma City fan, what did Chet Homer and show you with his Game 5 performance? Well, as I just said about the first quarter, it was all about the first quarter. And he showed his teammates
Starting point is 00:47:02 that for once he wasn't afraid. And that was huge. But just he's nothing without his fellow post player. Like, Isaiah Hartinstein was the key to the night last night. He's everything. Where Chet made four shots and then went a little quiet after that, fine. But without Hartinstein, they don't win. And just if we can get the
Starting point is 00:47:30 Knicks back in the conversation here, just for the record, remember, just two years ago, he was a Nick, Hartenstein. And Sam Presti is not a big player in free agency, but he knew I can't do it with just Chet. Chet's got skills and he's 7-1 and he can run the court a little bit. He's got that, but he doesn't have what Hartnstein has in him, which is guts and grit and fight and just competitiveness. And he's got physical strength. And Sam Presti said, I got to go get that and I got to pay for that.
Starting point is 00:48:09 You forget something, though, Skid. But he gave him. black people in them too. He's mixed. Okay, all right. Fair enough. Bingo. He's on both sides. You had to go get some others to help this guy. The other guy's not mixed. He's not. You know what I'm saying? He's from Minnesota. Okay. That is true. Bingo. So Hardinstein, Sam Presti gives him 30 million. He gives him, it's almost 90 million for three years because he said, I can't do it without that guy. And last night, it was just glaring without. that guy, you're not going to survive because
Starting point is 00:48:44 Chet can't do that. He can take Wimby here and there and spot, you know, and he can go up and try to bother his shot a little bit here and there. But without Hardinstein, he's it against Wimby. And it took him a couple of games to figure out we don't need to go play with Caruso down there or a dork trying to get underneath him. Just let Hartinstein just face up to him and just say, here, I'm here.
Starting point is 00:49:11 If you can beat me, beat me. And last night, he couldn't beat him. Maybe in game six down back home, he'll feel more comfortable to just attack him and beat him the way he did in game four. But that was, I try to imagine the Knicks if they still had Hartenstein, who they could have never kept because he had made the, he's a nine-to-nine guy who can change your defense, you know. That's, you know, and it's a little floater boys. Yeah, and the little floater. That shit goes in. You know what?
Starting point is 00:49:41 I hate it every time. I'm like, that shit is bottom. That shit is bottom. Yeah. In the point of the floaters. Offensive rebounds like crazy. Like last night, he scored 12 points and you feel like it's 30 points when he's making these ridiculous floaters, right? Deplating buckets.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Yeah. Yeah. Because he's never going to take a three. So he's not one of those fives who can go out there and just spot up and shoot it. You know, no, he just does the dirty work that Chat Kemp. can't do. And so that was the best you could get from Chet to open a game and they needed it. And they're going to need it again and again. And there are games against the Knicks this year. At Madison Square Garden, I think the Thunder won by three. And Chet made six threes because he's
Starting point is 00:50:28 pretty good. He can shoot it. You know, so that's what he does. But without the combination of the other guy, I just, they're not the same. So. I agree. Yeah. Is it time for Chet to start going at Wimby? I mean, the shoulder bump, just to push him. I think that robbery is over. Just see what he's about, though. I'm saying, Wimby's shoulder checked. No, but Chet heard me yesterday.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Chet always taking the high road. I'm tired of taking the high road. Everybody's seen the chest bump because that's what it is. That's my energy towards you specifically. That's a NFL. And if 16 and 11, 16 and 11 is the best you're going to give as a response. Cool, 13, all NBA 16 and 11. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:10 And then you got 12 and 15. Champion, though. You got a... From Hartinstein. Like, you're talking about a bruiser. Somebody goes down there as a vet and knows, listen, I got this. I know what he don't like. It's like having Reggie Evans or Brian Grant guarding you in the post.
Starting point is 00:51:30 That's who you put up against a shack or Tim Duncan. It's like, listen, we got to muck the game up. It's just like Mike Tyson fighting fucking Linens Lewis. I can't just jab you to do. deaf, I got to try to get inside. And if I can't, yeah, I figure out how to bite your fucking ear. Like, we got to figure out something to get you rattled
Starting point is 00:51:48 and off your game. They've done that. It's frustrating for Wendy. Holyfield. Yeah, that wasn't even... Holyfield, but I'm saying, try. Yeah. Try to bite you. Even try to buy Linux there, too. But it's just to change it up. It was a tyrannical tyrant. You look at the ability for them
Starting point is 00:52:04 to frustrate Wemby, and if that's going to be the thing to get him off his game, why would you change? I wouldn't change that, especially if I can keep Harkinstein in front of him and still play elbows and boxes and stop him from driving. Absolutely. Which happened last night when the ball went off of Chet's leg. That possession alone showed me how frustrating it was for Wemby offensively. He tried to make a move.
Starting point is 00:52:30 You had Wallace there, Caruso coming across, and you had Harkinstein still the front, and you had Chet on the back side ready to come over the block. that's just him being aggressive but not having anywhere to go. And that's going to be the series for the rest of the way from him. He has to figure out how in one of the possessions in the second half where he drove middle, went up, check came across, he passed it to Kelden Johnson for a year. That was the play where you are decoyed now. And I think Jamal Crawford was saying something about him being more aggressive. They kept harping on, he's not doing enough, he's not doing enough.
Starting point is 00:53:07 But in real time, he's trying to figure out what to do other than just try to be aggressive and do what Stefan Kassel was doing in one and two where you're just turning the ball over trying to be aggressive. He's like, I got to find the open guy. I got to figure out who's open and when and why. And so when he made that play, I felt like we had a chance. But then again, we talk about hitting shots. If those guys aren't hitting shots, no matter what Wimby does, it looks like a turnover.
Starting point is 00:53:34 That looks like a bad non-competitive shot. He doesn't look like he got energy. He's not being aggressive. But he's really thinking the game in real time, like, all right, I got to be the decoy. Gil used to say it all the time. In a certain game, when you got guys coming to you saying, listen, man, it's not going to be your night tonight. You got to figure out how to make it somebody else's night. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:58 So how are you going to do that without looking like you don't want to play? So I think that's the criticism for Wimby right now. the thunder, they're notorious for giving up, especially open corner threes. Because of what you said, if somebody drives it, Caruso and Case & Wals are going to, they're going to try to dig it
Starting point is 00:54:16 out, and they're going for the steal, because if they steal it, they're going to go the other way and dunk it. That's how they play. And last night, they didn't have that minute, they barely won points off turnover, so it wasn't that, but they're going to make it hard on Wimby, because from 7-6, if you're trying to
Starting point is 00:54:31 do the long dribbles, I would just stunt. Somebody's going to get underneath it. Yeah. Every time. Yeah. That was a different. Get back. Even the Spur and get back is good for the Thunder because they're showing bodies for Wemby.
Starting point is 00:54:43 He's second guessing the drive because of the show and get back or even the full rotation. Well, yeah, that's what the Spurs did in game for. That's why they. But think about the spurs of the past. Spurs of the past. So to guard somebody else too. That too. That's what I like.
Starting point is 00:54:58 That's where they win. That too. I mean, he ain't guarding Wimby. Yeah. Yeah. And it allows him to be more. of a rope. Yeah, be who he is. Think of the Spurs from the past. What was the number one thing they had in that Tim Duncan throwout? Corner three. Bruce Bowen in the corner every fucking time. Now, the Spurs identity for that particular offense was it not only Bruce Bowen, but it was the wing three, which was the Bonsor. Matt Bonner had the wing three, which is the slot, the slot position on the swing swing. So you. So you. You had Bonner on this wing and you had Genobly on the other wing.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Genoblee was the driver. And if he got it, he's driving left. But Bonner was on the other wing where it was swing, swing from Tim Duncan, and it was either him shooting it or Bruce Bowen shooting it. And when you got that type of understanding about Bruce, we don't want you dreblin. We don't want you doing sit, but shooting this corner three because this is where you're going to get it. We need to identify who that's going to be for us now. We guys have to get that player.
Starting point is 00:56:01 These guys now are all drivers and they're more. Bessel can be, I think Bissell is that player. Because he can hit that shot. No, but Champany is that guy. Yeah, both get early. He hit early. He hit three early last year. Like those, those guys back then, that's because that's what they had.
Starting point is 00:56:18 No, Bruce became the guy. They made him the guy. They told him you're going to hit this shot. Yeah, because that's all he could do. He wasn't, he wasn't. Yeah. But Champagne is not. Champagne is a shooter.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Well, he struggled early on in this series. Six for 31. They closed out. One dribble shot. Yeah, but they can do that. They have all guys that can do this. But back then, they can, they was, yes, Bonner, yes, don't dribble.
Starting point is 00:56:40 Of course. But now, yes, everybody can score. Can't score. So this is a different team. Yes, we can't hit it, but also we can score. That's why they're where they're at now. They didn't hit it last night. But I take.
Starting point is 00:56:50 It wasn't hit it. I mean, but they're having. You got them easy shots if you can. Like, Matil and according that, well, that one play, I know what you're talking about when that was an easy shot. You don't need to put the ball down like that. Yeah, but what got them there? because they were, I mean, yeah, you didn't make shots, okay, but that don't mean the game plan was
Starting point is 00:57:06 what happened to the game plan? The game plan can be lived by the three, die by the three. And that's how they play. We shot, what, 10 more three-pointers than they did last night? They shot 40-something percent from the three, which is the difference because we shot way more than they should have, especially late, trying to make the combat when in turn you have to think about what got us here. Like you just said, what got us?
Starting point is 00:57:32 here. Moving the ball, driving the ball, and hitting open shots. Last night we forced a lot of play based on OKC making the fucking adjustment. You have to give OKC credit for making a... Even Shay said it in the press conference. We were able to make adjustments and execute down the line. I mean, it's not really too many adjustments. I mean, shit, we didn't play nine straight times. I think it's just Wimby. Wimby didn't show up. No, it's not it. It's an adjustment, You said another thing. You say, when Wimby's knocking down that three, bro, listen, I'm giving Wimby that shot. Like, I'm going to let Wimby come out shoot two or three in a row because he's going to fall in love with it.
Starting point is 00:58:10 That's all he's going to do. And what happened in game four, you guys didn't do the same thing in game five. You guys are inconsistent. Winby's inconsistent. What did we do different in this game then, Brandon? What did you guys do different? What did we do difference? No, what did we do different?
Starting point is 00:58:24 No, Wimby. What did we do different? That's what happened. He got on. He didn't show up. What did he didn't have no energy. No, I understand. He wasn't scoring in the paint like he was before.
Starting point is 00:58:32 He was, when you guys win, you guys score 50 some points in the paint. He wasn't in the paint. He wasn't scoring. What was he doing the last game that he wasn't doing this game? He said, what was he doing the last game? He was in the paint, bro. When you guys are winning, you guys are scoring over 50 some points in the paint. Do you understand that?
Starting point is 00:58:50 Yes, I understand that. So you guys are not. So the adjustment is what for OKC? Well, the adjustment has been Hardinstein, keeping them out of the paint. Get to the paint. Get to the paint. Because he's keeping me out of the pain. But what happened game four?
Starting point is 00:59:03 He couldn't keep me out of the paint. What happened in game one? Because our guys were hitting shots. You have to rotate out, which puts Harkinstein out of detriment. I have to rotate, get my hand out. How about you just say your guy didn't have no energy? Is there a place where you did. Didn't have no energy anything.
Starting point is 00:59:21 No, you're going to say that because that's a lazy take, man. That's a lazy take. That's a real take. That's a lazy take. That's a lazy take. That's a lazy take. That's a lazy take. That's a lazy take.
Starting point is 00:59:29 That's the lazy take. You just talk. That's the lazy take. You're talking about the old spurs. Say it again. You can slow the game down, send Wimmy down to the post instead of making him. But that's what we've been, that's what we, I think we all made that assessment. That's my mind.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Go down turn. But Mitch, Mitch don't want to do that. Because every time when we got to create something. Right. I've been saying. They don't have nobody that can't. They don't have nobody that. Mitch don't have that adjustment ready for the offense because they have the guard-centric offense.
Starting point is 00:59:58 centric offense. They do the flares. They do the pin downs for Wemby. They want to get him in the middle of the floor. Now, when you got elbows and boxes at the middle of the floor, I, listen, I support everything you're saying. Let's get them on the block. Let's make them play against us one-on-one on the block. Let's dig. Let's make them rotate on the backside if you want to double. Let's let Wimby play from there. But if we're not going to do that, which they haven't. They haven't. They plan on the perimeter depending on the three-pointer. So that's going to, that's That's going to be the detriment to you. And if he can't go down there and force it right now.
Starting point is 01:00:32 He's not going to force it. He's not going to be like, yo, he can throw that pass to the post. Yeah, Ken said on the couch. Spoke with one of the coaches on the team. He said they don't have somebody that can throw the ball down there. Throw it to him as far as the spin lob and all that. Yeah, so that's why they can't do it. No way.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Yeah, so they got. I'm not rolling. Fox can't throw that pass? Yeah. I mean, that's what I was over the top? Yeah. Yeah. So they've been throwing a lob to them.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Well, that's the difference. Well, because it's coming in the pick and roll. And now you can just back up to pick and roll. No, but y'all not seeing what's happening in the pick and roll. They're collapsing. He's tall. He's towering over shape. That's one.
Starting point is 01:01:10 That's when they don't rotate over. But when they do, they got four guys collapsing on the pick and roll, which is why to open up the three and they just missing it. So you can't have each player on a perimeter and just tell Wimmy to go down and just throw it like this. Somebody could. But they invert it on the back side. because they pump in the knee, he's not strong enough. That's what I'm saying. They invert.
Starting point is 01:01:31 It can't just know. No, no. Boom, ball, all on the three-point line. Arkansas is inverted so that he's the low man every time. Still, he's towering over Harkinstein. I know what you're saying. You say, he just can't run down there. Yeah, just run to the post and be like, right here.
Starting point is 01:01:45 No, he can't. You got to do a play. You don't have that body weight. He's not strong enough. Yeah, he's not. He doesn't matter if you're strong enough. Yeah, dude. No.
Starting point is 01:01:52 You can push him off his spot. This is the part of playing post-deaf. that's almost a whole foot Corrine wasn't that strong Don't matter, bro. When you got All you got to do is I mean,
Starting point is 01:02:01 Kareen wasn't that strong You know what post defense is right? Yes, shit. But that's a foul though. That means I can three quarter Now, okay, what did you just say? What did you just say? They would.
Starting point is 01:02:11 They would. They were. But they haven't. Because he haven't went down there. So listen, if I'm three quarter court, if I'm three quarter defense on the post and I'm Harkinstein and there ain't no corner field
Starting point is 01:02:23 for you to go wing corner, throw it in the wind. right we're not playing that because we don't play down there right so let's just say you get wimby in the post and harkinstein's fronting it they sent kenyon saying they don't have a player that's willing to throw the ball over the top to wimby to make that play so they're not playing that so now if let's say order his arm like this okay oh but i'm something this what i'm saying even in a three that's right right there's a turnover because i'm pushing you off of your spot bro think about it nick if you like getting the ball at a certain point in the mid post, right? It's not a foul if you don't catch the ball yet. If I'm trying to catch it and you push you.
Starting point is 01:03:03 And I push you off your file. That's a foul. It's not. How? Because defensively, I get to put my arm bar on you. You can't push me though. Bro, if I ride you. If I'm standing in one spot, you just, yeah, I'll just fall.
Starting point is 01:03:15 Let's show him then, Nick. Come on. Let's show him. Wimby, you three-quarter me, right? I'm right here posting up. Boom. Before you get the ball, Vijay, you got to throw him the ball.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Come on, please. You're gonna throw him the ball. Okay. So you throw it. I'm pushing you. Oh, right here. I'm pushing you off of your spot. Okay.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Now, now, but you're not in the spot. Now, see this? Now, this is all that. Now, this is all that. That's a foul. But they're not, you got that. Yes, they are. You're not calling that.
Starting point is 01:03:46 You know why? Because I'm here with my arm bar. I'm not this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm just strong. No. He was, if that was Chet, come back.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Bro, if that's a strong. I know I'm strong. You can't score on me. You can't score on me. If I'm chat, you're able to do what? Right here. Right here. Right here.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Look, you're winning, I'm set. I'm going to allow it because I can't be strong with you. I'm not strong. Even this hot because time was strong. No, I'm not. I'm here. That's a foul. I'm here.
Starting point is 01:04:19 It's a bad shot for you. No, it's not. Because we got the same hot. Right, bro. It's really like this. It's really like this. Thank you. It's like this.
Starting point is 01:04:27 It doesn't matter. Thank you. It don't matter. That's a good shot. That's a good shot. He don't shoot 80% from the field, bro. That's a good shot. He don't shoot 80% from the field.
Starting point is 01:04:37 On that post, it would be. That's a good shot. That's a good shot. No. You telling me that right now when being in the mid post is going to hit 80% of those shots? No. Hand up, contest it?
Starting point is 01:04:49 No. The job for me is to make it difficult for you. Make it a difficult catch. Difficult catch push you off your spot and now play front Winby don't have that skill yet we've been saying it so that he don't have the Tim Duncan skill where he can catch and face you up in the post make a move and do his thing Tim Duncan did four years of college to develop that so you're looking at Winby 22 years old been playing for him he's trying to go with Hakeem he's been working with Kevin Garnett
Starting point is 01:05:19 he's trying to develop the skill set he don't even have the jump hook When have you seen when we do a jump hook? That's a problem. Never. You know why? Why? Why don't know. He's not a big.
Starting point is 01:05:32 He doesn't work on it. He's not a fucking center. That's the lamb. He's not a center. He's a fucking guard. He's a seven, six guard. He is. And that's why if he learned the dump hook, imagine him learning the Kareem of Dabbar jump
Starting point is 01:05:46 What skill does he have at a great level already? Shooting. Free throw shooting. That too. Hey, last night. That was impressive to me. 12 for 12. He's not.
Starting point is 01:05:58 I mean you could do that. That's it. That's his point of what he's saying. You're a good free throws. You're a good free throw. You're a good free throw. It's not being contested. It's a free shot.
Starting point is 01:06:08 He's going to get foul. It's a free shot. No defense, bro. But how is he going to get to the free throw line? What you mean? By throwing a ball in there, turning like this, and they're going to foul you. They got, they have to foul him. If they call it.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Sometimes they're not, but sometimes they're, that's part of the game. The 12 free throws that he got. He got he got because he's big. He's a big-ass seven-six guy. He got those calls because you have to foul him when I do a spin move and I do this. Now, that's all coming from the perimeter. No, it's not. It's a perit.
Starting point is 01:06:37 He was never on the block. So where is he getting the foul? Okay, he's on the perimeter, bro. Outside the three-point line. He's inside the three-point line when he got that call. That one call he was inside the three-point line when he got that call. He's not watching the game, man. He's not getting him.
Starting point is 01:06:53 Please, we can watch it. Harkistan had that bullshit foul. From playing on the block. Dude, Harkestine had that bullshit foul because he fouled him and he was inside the paint. They don't. All he had to do it every time. The Spurs don't teach him. He's still underdevelopment.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Oh my God, it's an excuse. Because, look, Ms. Johnson's offense is not a post. Throw it to Wimby in the post. Throw it to Kornet in the post. We are a free-flowing. They do it more with Kornet than they do. Because Cornett is a traditional five. He is a traditional five.
Starting point is 01:07:22 He is a traditional five. I wish they went to him more in the post because he can actually be the best player in the league, though. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what he said. You've got to be accountable, right? He is accountable. He is accountable. Because like Gilvin said, right here.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Because like Gilvin said, if he played closer to the basket, he has more advantage. But when he had 41 and 24, it was no closer to the basket. I was hitting my shots. One game. So everybody wants to do the, like I said, it's a lazy tape to say that this nigga is. One game. No, it's a little. The average is 30.
Starting point is 01:07:55 But wait a second, he had 24 rebounds. Last night, he had six. Do you know why? So let's break the game down and talk about. Why? When you're in a rotation as winning, our main focus is to bring him away from the basket. Why?
Starting point is 01:08:12 I'm a coach. We need to get Wemby, Rudy Gobert, and all of these defensive bigs away from the basket. So we have chance. to do what? Offensive rebound. We have chances because what is Wemby doing when he's not in the
Starting point is 01:08:28 paint? He's contesting three-pointers. That's harder to get a rebound defensively when you're contesting these shots. Offensively, what are they doing? Keeping his ass off the glass. No second chance points for Wemby. So it's harder for him to get those rebounds.
Starting point is 01:08:45 One, being in the position of rotation, getting your hand up the contest shots and not being in a defense position. That's one. Two, your guards are taking quick shots before you even get down the floor. All game long. So the three games that he had under 10 rebounds, he's caught in rotations, he's not getting to the offensive glass,
Starting point is 01:09:06 and he's getting tired from just running down, they shoot a shot, and he has to run back. He don't have those opportunities. That's the difference I see. I don't know what y'all see, but I'm watching the game from that. It says like, damn, Wimby, I know you can get more rebounds. You know what I saw in game one? I saw him have to sit and watch Shag get that MVP trophy,
Starting point is 01:09:27 and he played possessed in game one. And he commanded and owned the paint in game one. And every loose ball rebound, he was just going to sky and snatch it out of the sky. And you saw fire and desire that you haven't consistently seen from him. And now I'm hearing some of the other shows where they're saying, well, he's running out of gas. I'm like, he's 22. He's not running out of any gas.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Come on, man. 29 minutes per game in the regular season. It's mental. 49 minutes in game one. Come on, man. So you go from 41, you go from 25 shots to 50 shots to 15 shots to 15 shots. To 22 shots. No more than 16 shots in the three games they've lost, I think 22 and 25 shots in the two games.
Starting point is 01:10:11 And he's playing bigger minutes except for that game where he had 33, the game win, 33 and 31 minutes. But, I mean, the free throws are there except for in game two. He's being aggressive. Yeah. It's just like you say, if you're going to put a negative on him for the rebounds, I'm not going to make an excuse for that, but I can see why it's happening. Okay. I can see in the rotations, he's out of position to get the rebound.
Starting point is 01:10:38 And when he comes out, Luke Cornyette is not picking up that slack. Nobody's picking up that slack. For OKC, you got two guys that are not getting out to the. rotation because they're always inverted on the back side. One of the other. So if Harkinstein doesn't get the rebound, guess who's getting it? Chet. Check not getting the rebound?
Starting point is 01:10:56 Arkansas's getting it. All right. So, Rashad. So Nick is on record. You have already said it's over and six, right? So. It always comes back to this. So, you know, game one, you know, Wimby only shot two threes.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Okay. You know, so he was in game one? Yeah, right? Yeah, that's when he had 40. Well, we made, wait, he made the half quarter. Yeah, yeah, I'm, but I'm just. His game, the way he played well. All his shots, all his shots was, yeah, well, all his shots was.
Starting point is 01:11:25 No, he made the bomb in game one. Yeah, the 40s. Oh, that one. Okay, that one. The 47. Yeah, only took two threes in that guy. Yeah, everything was inside the paint. Okay, got it.
Starting point is 01:11:33 And if not for that three, the series may be over right now, but that's neither here nor there. Game four win, he took seven threes. Okay. He made three. His shots are, his game two dependent on if he makes shots from the three-point line. It's too hot and cold. No, it's not. No, if he's making shots, he rebound and playing.
Starting point is 01:11:49 Maybe it does. He's just, that's just like with any player in the league. No, not the source. Shea. Shee Gilchrist Alexander went 0 for 8, went to the free throw line, seen the ball go in a few times, and got his rhythm back. Just like any player, I just need the ball to go in from me shooting the ball. He hit 12 for 12 from the free throw line.
Starting point is 01:12:10 But what he loves is to see that three ball go in. So 0 for 5, he never got that. momentum. It's just like LeBron. We used to say don't let LeBron get dunks because that's how he gets his momentum. Fowl him on fast breaks. Don't let him get a dump because if he gets that dunk, bro, it's over for you. Same with D. Wade. Don't put him on the foul line because if he gets to the free throw line, oh shit, don't let Mello hit his first face-up jumper. They're going to get hot. Take them out of their sweet spots. Take them out of their comfort zones and you're good. Just so happened early on. He could change the game in too many ways. He could change the game in too many
Starting point is 01:12:46 ways that he can't just ain't learned it yet Nick that's what I'm saying he hasn't learned it everybody's using it goes crazy when he like he's 30 years old already he's not Joker he's not all these other guys that have been able to polish their game and show up and be able to say I can make these adjustments we giving him
Starting point is 01:13:02 everything already so you got to play like that if he wants to be the MVP yes but he's not I feel like he has a so he's not I feel like he has a great game I say he played like an MVP is yeah I think that's not He's still playing like an MVP. He's getting a rebound.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Like that's what gets him to be going. It's the defense of end. When he comes down and get a block early, he get a rebound or something like that. That's like like, that's not what gets him going. Yes, he has three blocks. He does his natural. He does it. Because that's what happens in game.
Starting point is 01:13:33 And by the way, he plays defense every game. Well, and by the way, in 22 years old, LeBron James was in the finals. So I'm just saying. So since we, you know, talk about the best player. Rashad, you had him as the MVP, right? And I still got a message. He said, no. But he's not ready yet, right?
Starting point is 01:13:47 That's what I've been saying. So we've got to stop this junk. We say he's not ready, right? We got to stop this junk. He's still playing at an MVP level. He doesn't even, if he's not ready to be the MVP and he's playing at an MVP level, what does that say about him? What does that say about you to be an MVP talk? To not even have to not have your game be fully developed.
Starting point is 01:14:09 And to be able to say, man, he still has to add this, this and this to his game. But why does he get excused? 24. He's averaging 30 right now. But why are we giving him an excuse? We're not giving him an excuse. You are giving him an excuse. No, I'm not. You're giving him excuse like he's done. He got a lot to learn. No, I'm doing the same thing y'all niggas did all year. No, we did not. With Cooper Flack. He's only 18. He's only, what do you talk about?
Starting point is 01:14:30 It's all the shit you were saying the whole year long. But what about his age? You and Gil, sit up here to buy his age. Hey, now it now it changes? No, it doesn't change. So what the fuck are we talking about then? But why? So I'm saying the same shit. You were saying two months ago. You just, you just shut the excuses about Cooper flag.
Starting point is 01:14:48 You're saying Robert Flaher. About Cooper Fla, you're making his excuses about him. Now when we talk about Wimby, you don't want to make an excuse for him. Cooper Flaugner. We're talking about young players the whole time. First of all of a sudden. Dallas was not even. Now all of a sudden.
Starting point is 01:15:02 Now all of a third. Now he's too young. Dallas wasn't even a contender. Legion, La Jain. Dallas wasn't even a contender to show. Come on. Let me see. Talk about all this age.
Starting point is 01:15:13 Hold on. Hold on. Yeah. Now we don't want to talk about it. Now you want to say, oh, you're 20. Come on, man. Dallas wasn't even a contender. Dallas was Dallas a contender this year?
Starting point is 01:15:22 Nobody had Dallas doing anything. She's she, me. Your man is over here 22 years. They did he have Dallas doing something. No, we did not. Did anybody have Dallas going to the playoffs this year? No, we did not. Nobody had Dallas doing anything this year.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Yeah, we're going to be. What are he talking about? You're making it. Come on, man, tighten up. Yes, they did. Tighten up, man. Okay, did they? Come on, you just y'allel.
Starting point is 01:15:41 Okay, did they? Okay, did they? Man, back it up. Make it. Yes, they did. Okay, did they make it? Come on, man. No, they didn't.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Okay. Injuries. Why? Injuries. Okay. Okay. Okay. They were predicted to be there.
Starting point is 01:15:51 But did they get there? With the team. With the AD in the legers also had injuries and I don't think that was an excuse. Who's the youngest team in the NBA? Mm. Okay. Youngest team in the NBA is in the conference finals. Come on.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Who was the youngest team? Well, we make an excuse about their experience. The youngest team in NBA last year won it. Yeah, that's all that. Yeah. Who was the youngest team last year? would we make an excuse about their experience. Who was the younger team?
Starting point is 01:16:15 Because they was the youngest team than win it ever. Oh, okay. Are we making excuses? No, they're not making excuses. No, they're not making excuses. There's much left to be played in this series sufficient Western conference finals.
Starting point is 01:16:30 22 of Ron James did it. For this particular day. Appreciate you guys. He got there. He got there. He got there. He got there. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:16:38 I just want on the record. Are you guaranteeing game six win? I can't guarantee nothing. Like, oh, my God. I can't guarantee game six to see what. I'm not Charles Barkley. He did all that hoop talk for nothing. I'm not talk because you didn't guarantee game five.
Starting point is 01:16:53 You didn't guarantee game five, Skip. But you guaranteed seven. I guaranteed seven. Yeah. Are you guaranteeing six? In order to guarantee seven. So we can't pressure me and you're not going to want to get pressured either. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:08 I know what this team's psyche is because I watched it last year, go to Denver in game six in the playoffs last year. Remember, it's the second round of the playoffs. They go to Denver in game six and they lose 125 to 93. And they come home for game seven and just blow them off the floor. They play different at home, right? That's what they do. That's why it's a fearful thing to go back to OKC game seven.
Starting point is 01:17:31 In the finals last year, Indiana, game six at Indiana, they win 103 to 91. Oklahoma City scored 91 points in that game and they came home. I know that Halliburton Tories, but still, they blew them off the floor in game seven. They're hard to deal with on that floor in front of those fans. Why you think I said seven? Why you think I said seven? That's why I know. I know if we push them to seven, the only chance we got is to shock the world.
Starting point is 01:18:02 We can shock the world in seven. Any other ordeal, I'm looking at it like, they're a tough team to fucking be. They're not no fucking easy team to be. They are a tough team to be. And we are the youngest team in the league. We have no experience. We're not supposed to be here. On paper, you have a better team right now.
Starting point is 01:18:19 But we're the young, we have no experience. Yeah. Bo. Man. That doesn't mean nothing. That's another excuse. Yeah, that's an excuse. I'm not doing the excuse.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Okay, see, one. After that brunch, yeah. Not doing the excuse. Game six coming up on Thursday, we will find out if the Spurs keep their season alive or if they'll be in Cancun with other chances. Listen, y'all try 3-0-1. No, he lost that one, buddy. Good try.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Good try. Hey, hey. Good try. Go back to Zin. Let's keep this thing moving. So on Sunday before game four of the Western Conference Finals, the NBA announced the all NBA teams for this season. Let's take a look. We start with the first team.
Starting point is 01:19:04 Boom. SGA and Yokic were the only unanimous first team selection, receiving all 100 first-team first-team votes. It was Shea's four straight, first team selection, Joker's a straight all-NBA selection. It's the longest active streak in the league currently. Wimby made his first all-N-B-A team coming one vote shy of unanimous selection. Alien, as we mentioned, were the unanimous defensive player of the year,
Starting point is 01:19:28 first team all-defensive pick as well. Aluka and Cade Cunningham rounded out the first team after being granted extraordinary circumstances exceptions to the 65 game minimum. Now let's shift over to the second team. which was led by Jalen Brown, who made his second all-N-B-A team, was beat out by Cade Cunningham for the final spot on the first team. Joining him on the second team were Kauai Leonard, Kevin Durant, Jalen Brunson, and Donovan Mitchell.
Starting point is 01:19:54 It was KD's 12th career all-MBA selection, first player in history to make all-NBA with five different teams. And now let's shift over to the third team. Now you can see none of these gentlemen got any first-place votes, but the third team featured five newcomers, Tyreeze Maxie, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Johnson and Jalen Duren and Chet Holmgren each made their first All-NBA team. Chet Joyce Winby as the only players to make both an All-MBA and All-Defensive team.
Starting point is 01:20:22 So we see the three different teams individually. Let's take a look at how the voting panned out collectively on this list. A lot to digest here. But as we look at these results for All-MBA, I don't have my reading glasses, but I can make out some of the big words. Skip, we'll start with you. Did the voters get the all NBA teams right? No.
Starting point is 01:20:45 As soon as I saw it, I immediately tweeted that Jalen Brown should have been first team in place of Luca. Wow. Jalen Brown had a career year in every statistical category. And when Jason Tatum returned, I thought prematurely, shockingly. But when he returned, Jalen Brown had the Celtics in their gap year, quote unquote, at 44. and 21. He did that flying solo, and this is a regular season award. And I don't know, statistically, Luca, I've said this again and again.
Starting point is 01:21:24 He's the most inefficient player in the league. It's hard to win with him. I know the Lakers got on a roll, but he led the league in turnovers per game. He led the league in shots attempted, three-point shots attempted. He got to the free throw line more than even SGA got to the free throw line. he's an average at best three-point shooter and free-throw shooter and it just it just doesn't add up to me I thought jalen brown did more during the regular season than lucca did and deserve first team yeah as you look at these all-n-bbya teams do you agree with skip saying that jaylon brown
Starting point is 01:22:01 deserved to get the nod over this is this is this is media bias to me jane brown deserved to be first team, just the fact that these guys didn't even play 65 games and they still make first team. You got guys like Ant Man because the media don't like certain ways he can't be in this category. His extraordinary circumstances request was deny. I know, deny. It got to be something to it.
Starting point is 01:22:31 Was Kaye short? Kaye was short? He's got accepted. So both of them. Both of them got it got, but Ant Man didn't. I think Kay had like 53 eligible. It shows who really runs things. Jaylon Brown been balling all year.
Starting point is 01:22:46 Now, you know, both two-way player, team that wasn't even supposed to be, supposed to be in the lottery this year, made it to the second team that was second in the east, did everything he could. And, you know, this is when you fight against, you know, Stephen A, you get second team. But you believe Jalen Brown a victim of immediate? He showed his power to me right here. This is what this mean. Stephen A, Stephen B, and Stephen C, perhaps.
Starting point is 01:23:17 All three of them. All three of them showed their power. Josh Smith might have been making some call you never enough. If you don't do all six. If you don't do 65 games, you shouldn't be first. Stop blaming Stephen A, B and C, man. It ain't his fault, man. You shouldn't be on first team if you don't make it.
Starting point is 01:23:35 You know, the exception should be, you either make second or third if you don't do all 65. And you got to... Oh, it's the automatic, you know first team. Yeah, that should be the exception. And you can't... So if you don't hit the 65, but you get the extraordinary certain things, I was going to ask you that she was eligible for all NBA, but not for... Sure, give the guys that did it, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:54 But then she... Because I would put Brunson and Jalen Brown... Yes, for sure. First team. Okay. And... This is crazy, man. And you gotta do it for everybody.
Starting point is 01:24:04 You can't... You can't... You can't know what makes me. makes them be like Kay and Luca. Okay, Kate and Luca. Drop them down to second two. Yeah, because of the extreme circumstances. Jaylon played.
Starting point is 01:24:14 Jaylon played. Jaylon played. Jaylon, both Jaylen's play. They did. Very, very well this year. They are deserving. Not that. I'm not saying Luke and Kate are not deserving.
Starting point is 01:24:25 They play well too. I mean, you got Kaye's number top seat in the end. Very well. But he then finished. The rules are the rules. The rules are the rules. The rules are the rules. They followed the rules and adhered to them and got the,
Starting point is 01:24:37 But the fact that you had to file knowing that you did load managed during the season, you did set out certain games. I mean, Kate had the collapse lung actually came back earlier than expected. But what makes people be like, these two deserve it and Ant Man can't get the
Starting point is 01:24:53 exception? Right. I don't know. Like, what is, like, how do that work? Because Ant Man deserve second, third team. For sure. Put them on 13. For sure. For sure. Chet, I don't know. I'm not going to say he's not deserving. He played. the way he needed to play to get acknowledged.
Starting point is 01:25:10 But Deni Avia played very well this year. If I had to put somebody in place of him, it would be known. But you know what about Chet? Seriously, against everybody but Wimby, he's an All-Star. No, seriously. You play well? Like he'll play big against other teams. But All-Star, are you top 15 in the league?
Starting point is 01:25:30 Yeah, a lot of these guys wouldn't be in there if it wasn't for that. I'm saying, he's an all-star, but are you top 15 that we're? saying, oh, man, you're one of them? It's tough. If you know he would have been all NBA team, too? Did Jalen Darden deserve it after what he did in the playoffs?
Starting point is 01:25:48 Regular season of the war. I know. I know. So that's what we're saying as far as what you did Chet, what you did during the season. Everybody except for Wemby. But what Chet did against Phoenix in the playoffs and even against your Lakers, and he played big. Seriously.
Starting point is 01:26:06 I probably would have put Bronner. 13. Would you? Yeah. Yeah. Not eligible. Did not get his extraordinary circumstances of granted, even though he was old and half sciaticus. Yeah. Did not do? Syaticus. Sayatica. Multiple Syed.
Starting point is 01:26:20 Oh, definitely. I'm definitely taking Luca out the first time. I'm putting Jalen Brown there. Yeah, for sure. Luca led the league in scoring. Yeah, that's fine. That's all he did. Slovenian. Everybody talk about his defense. Because I got somebody else that was playing both sides of it.
Starting point is 01:26:32 Family man went to Slovenia for the birth of his daughter, which is why he missed the games I would have made him eligible. Yeah, Antmen missing from this list, man. Yeah, this is crazy. Highest point for game scoring in March as well, just in case you guys care, 15 and 2. No, Danny, hey, Denny need some shoutout too, man. He played very, very well this year. Danny Obdiy.
Starting point is 01:26:53 He played. He did. He did. He did. He did. He played very well. Next year, young fella. What you guys think?
Starting point is 01:27:01 Yeah, I mean, they got it right. I can't really. Got it right, by and large. I mean, Yokich. I mean, whew. We were six straight first team from number three. We got a pretty big. We got a lot of, he did.
Starting point is 01:27:17 First year he actually made it all the way. Yeah. Shows. For sure. Great promise. So who would you take off and put An Man on for? If you were. You would say check?
Starting point is 01:27:31 Mm-hmm. Oh, man. I can't say check because they finished one. I'll take Murray off here. He's going to get in because they finish. It's going to have to be like Jamal Mary Yeah, I'll say Murray or John Jaylon. This will have to be our Jaylorie, though, very, very impressive season.
Starting point is 01:27:45 Because you can't, because... Yeah, what are Ant Man's numbers? He was four, our fifth and a... Wasn't eligible, though. He probably would have made it had he been. I mean, chess, like, what, 17 points? I'll take the ball, Muriel. So Ant Man averaged 29. Yeah, but only play 61 games.
Starting point is 01:28:01 Oh, so my best, no, I will take Kevin Durant off and put Kevin Durant off and put... 13, 13, Kevin Durant. And put... Well, Kevin Durant averaged 26. Kevin Durant averaged. I would take Kevin Durant off. 26, 6 and 5 assists. And Donovan averaged like 28.
Starting point is 01:28:18 52, 41, 87. Or. Kamai average like 28. Brunson average like 28. Maxi averaged like 28. You'll take, I'll take KD off. Yeah. I'll put KD on 3rd.
Starting point is 01:28:32 On 13? Yeah. And then put Ant on the 2nd. Yeah, Ant average in 29 is insane. And not. That's insane. games that Luke would play? 63 or 64
Starting point is 01:28:44 believe. Yeah, Ant Man got to go second team. Lucas 64 games average 34, 8 assists, 8 rebounds. 34, 8. Dasty?
Starting point is 01:28:57 Dasty work. Leading the leg of the boy. Before sit before. But if he does meet the criteria, he got to be first team. Yeah. Because he,
Starting point is 01:29:06 Flavini and Jesus. He scored the league. I'm still taking him out for Jaylon Brown, though. Just because of what he did. I'm taking K. I already said this. I said you leave Luca. You got to leave Luca because he led the league
Starting point is 01:29:17 great staff. That's the only thing. And I'm like Kay, even though he had a great year leading his team, he did not play better basketball than Jalen Brown. Jalen played better basketball. No, but Kaye played better basketball than Luca though. Yeah. I'm not the number, the number, I get the 34.
Starting point is 01:29:33 Bro. It wasn't just 34. It was 8 and 7. Yeah, I get that, but I got I'm number one. I'm number one. I'm number one. I'm number one, and they didn't even have us like I said we're not talking about the team success we're just talking about playing but that's how you're getting it so why is wimby in there then the team success he played great basketball both sides of four both he was a unanimous defense player but he averaged 24 in the list he averaged 24 and i'm talking about points bro kade didn't play great basketball 8 and 7 so what victor average 24 and what 12 24 and 12 24 12 24 and 5 5 and 3 that that's
Starting point is 01:30:10 Wait, Kate didn't play great basketball? He was in the... Not better. I said he didn't play better basketball than Jalen Brown. He played better basketball than Luca, though. I don't think... Is Wemmy then hype itself up towards the end? Is Wembe then hype itself up towards the end?
Starting point is 01:30:24 He should be second team. Second team? Yeah. You stand on that? Yeah. You just want to sound crazy. No, I feel like Kate... You sound crazy.
Starting point is 01:30:31 Cade had a better year. Dumb, bro. Number one. I mean... Come on Victor. The alien. Wimmy got a way better team than Detroit. But who's better?
Starting point is 01:30:40 Who's better than Wimby? Wimby, Nicola, and Shea. Look, it says 99, bro. That's hype, man. Be hype in this man, bro. So what is the 100 and 100? Is Joker hype? No, we ever.
Starting point is 01:30:52 That's proven. No, that's proven. This is one year. This is hype, bro. He averaged the same amount for three years straight. This is hype, bro. What are you talking about? What are you talking about, bro?
Starting point is 01:31:04 Three years straight? It's still 24. So because it's 24? How compared to everybody else's numbers, you got 34, you got, uh, Luke. Who else up there is unanimous defensive player of the year, bro? Who else up there is unanimous defensive player of the year? What are you talking about? Both sides of the ball, bro.
Starting point is 01:31:26 You just said Jalen Brown deserves because he played both sides of the ball. I do. I believe it, yeah. Kay Cunningham played both sides of the ball. What the hell are you saying about Victor? You're just going to surpass that part? So what? None of them were unanimous defensive player the year.
Starting point is 01:31:42 For the first time ever. My tumble. First time ever, bro. Hey, I ain't going to front. I'm surprised Winby didn't get 100. Me too. It's the one dude. I think Justin Tremaine.
Starting point is 01:31:53 It is. That's hype. I seen the clip, but I didn't listen to. I didn't want to hear it. Oh, I'm like, because I don't know why he got 99. It's height? No, no, no. Zenophobia.
Starting point is 01:32:03 I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to do that. when we had a crazy record season. Crazy, man. He played well. Play good basketball. I give him that.
Starting point is 01:32:12 He turned that shit around. And I'm not saying Kay didn't play good basketball. When you say he played better than Luca and all, it's like Jalen Brown assessing that whole season, he played great basketball. But Kate kept it there with nobody else that can score. I get it. Like nothing. Not taking anything away from him. And they both play both sides of the ball, all of that.
Starting point is 01:32:33 But you can't top 35 points a game. game, eight rebounds and seven assists. And your team is in fifth. Fourth. Four. In a tough west. A very tough west or a very tough west. Very tough west.
Starting point is 01:32:46 And you're Luca and you have a history of doing this. You've been in five straight all NBA's. But the problem with Luca, Luca leads the league by far in usage rate. So he's just going to have the ball dribble and dribble and dribble and dribble. So the numbers are just going to go up and up and up in every kind of course. But how many point guards have high usage rate? Jailen B. Brunson, Kaye, Tyrese,
Starting point is 01:33:08 Donovan Mitchell, there's a lot of ball haunts. Luca is far and away the most. 100%. It's the Lakers. It's the Lake Show. You have to. I mean, you get it.
Starting point is 01:33:17 And Luca can be a liability on defense. He can, or is. Yeah. Which, why his offensive numbers overshadow his defensive performances. Same with Joker.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Okay, but Kate leads his team to win the East by four games. That's pretty impressive to me. It is. It is. I'm not going to lie. It is. But Jalen Brown did the impossible.
Starting point is 01:33:41 Yeah, but you just said Jalen Brown played better than Luca. He played better basketball than both of them. Kay and Luca. Okay. So if you... K and Luca. He played better basketball. It was number two, too.
Starting point is 01:33:54 I'm not taking Kade off. Yep. It's hard to stay number one with that team. And then we saw him in the play. They still struggled, dog. Like, Kade over there just, man. That's what I was waiting for him to take it off. Take it off.
Starting point is 01:34:05 over the top so it can be undeniable for me. What do you mean when? Because you've been doing it all season. He was four games over in the east, leading everybody. I got hurt. Boom. Now you get to the playoffs and you can't do what you was doing during the season. Well, who did that, though?
Starting point is 01:34:21 Fucking Luca, I mean, Joker got put out first round. Yeah, but who, like you just asked, who's doing that? There's only two teams left. But Kay won't do it. Two teams left in the West. But Kay wouldn't do that against him, what's happened? Did you win the series? Yes, he beat Orlando.
Starting point is 01:34:36 And then you lost to who? And then we lost to in seven. To the cab. Yeah, to the cab. Right. So you didn't get it, you didn't take it over the top. Yeah, but. If Kate was still playing right now.
Starting point is 01:34:46 So if Victor lose, he didn't take it over the top? No, he didn't take it over the top. Of course not. I know, so what did I got to do with Kate? It'll be in there because Jalen Brown didn't. K-28-8. Come on. We already had this conversation.
Starting point is 01:35:00 We know that. We know that. We know that. But I'm saying. His great basketball stopped. We cannot do those excuses. I'm not giving it. I'm just saying he was playing great basketball up until the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:35:14 Who? Jaylon Brown. He was playing great basketball. Jason Taylor was playing good. Up until game five. It was eight. It was eight five. We was lobbying for Jaylen Brown in MVP.
Starting point is 01:35:26 No, facts, facts. So Kaye was in there, but then he dropped off. That's all. He dropped. Not, but this is before the lung thing happened. He dropped. If he didn't get into it, Stephen A. Jalen Brown would be on there. No, that was after.
Starting point is 01:35:38 No, it was after, for sure. He got it to it after. They just did this on Monday. No, the boat's been in. Yeah, the boat's been in long time. Stop pushing it. The boat's way. Folks submitted right after playing.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Yeah. The league slowly releasing the various teams of winners to build up. You don't think somebody can say, man, you better change that shit. It's over. No. No, they can't do that. All right. About starting shit.
Starting point is 01:36:06 The League of Integrity. Y'all crazy if you think that can't happen. All right. Can't happen, man. No, we're free. Can't happen, man. He's here, man. He did it before.
Starting point is 01:36:15 Skip, did it before. You did it before. You're trying to get the bride change, but the Rob was too powerful, you know. Mm-hmm. He voted, he had that one vote for Ron's sake. He was running. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:36:29 Yeah. Yeah. The allegations. Go ahead. I'm surprised Donald Mitchell got a first place vote. No, he was open. He was open. Oh, for first team.
Starting point is 01:36:44 Damn, Bronson to get one. Brunson didn't get one. I think Brunson was better. No, but you know what happened? I just told you, I just told you, after the cup game. Remember they had that stretch where it was looking? Oh, they looked real bad. It looked so bad to where they was going to have to make a change.
Starting point is 01:37:01 Hey, if Stephen A controlled this, Galen Brunson would be on the first team. He would be in first team for sure. For sure. Howard Windle. See, a cat would probably be in their third team instead of check. Damn, town's not even a... Meow.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Yeah, what about... Yeah, town should be... Yeah, how mean? What was his numbers? Is his numbers better than chess? I mean, chess the lowest, right? 17. Cat average 20, 12.
Starting point is 01:37:27 No, Devin Booker. 35%? 20 and 12. 20 and 12? 20 and 12? 20 and 12. Shooting what? 50%?
Starting point is 01:37:33 from the field, 37% 86% from the freeth of No, Kat should be on here. There's some real numbers right there. Kat should be on here, and he had to take a roll that he wasn't comfortable with. Didn't I know his role. Devin Booker didn't make.
Starting point is 01:37:45 Chad was average in 17 and 9. D. Book was eligible. I'm not sure. He's a superstar. Okay, but Chet had the second most blocks, and it wasn't close to what Wimby had, but he is the second best shot blocker. We're saying defense mattered with this vote. Yes.
Starting point is 01:37:58 All right, makes sense. Makes sense. And their number one team. You need to replace that second option. Yep. How many games he played? Is Jalen Johnson deserving? Had a very good year.
Starting point is 01:38:16 No, I'll take him off for Kat. Yeah, too young. I'm giving Kat that... 22, 10, and 8. Yeah, but Cat 20 and 12 and... 22, 10 and 8. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, say it again? 22, 10 rebounds and 8 assists.
Starting point is 01:38:33 Oh, never mind. On 49% from now. And it was the fifth C, right? Atlanta? No, no, they was in the playing. They was playing? No, Atlanta played New York. No, I think they were, no, they were, no, they were six.
Starting point is 01:38:45 No, no, no, you're right. No, he's in there. Six. Yeah, he's in there. He's in there. He got that. Crazy. All right, well, let's talk about something else we talked about after that,
Starting point is 01:38:53 or throughout that Piston series after it came to a close. So Jalen Durenne made his first all-N-B-A-team. Which means he's not eligible to sign a five-year Supermax with the Pistons worth $287 million dollars. So Durenne averaged 20 points and 11 rebounds while shooting 65% from the field during the regular season, but those numbers dropped in the playoffs. He put up 10 points, 9 rebounds on 51% shooting in the postseason. Pistons had a minus.3 net rating when he played and were plus 7.8 with him on the bench.
Starting point is 01:39:22 So in his end of year interview, Pistons president of basketball ops, Trades and Lankton had this to say about Duren's future with his team. He said, we look forward to coming together with his representation, getting a deal done, and for him continuing to be a Piston. Langdon was also asked if during postseason performance when impacted his extension and said, we'll talk about that for sure. So, shall we will start with you. Laynan, I remember him. From Duke. Yeah, Traynor.
Starting point is 01:39:49 The Alaskan assassin. Alaskan assassin. Anchorage East. Man. Alaskan Lyskandis started that movement. Should the Pistin, Carlos Boozer follow. But should the Pistons give Jalen during the Super Max? Should they?
Starting point is 01:40:05 He's now eligible, all-NBA team, third team all-NBA. They were talking with his representation. He deserved it. He deserved it, yeah. Yeah, you can't take, you know, it's one thing to watch the motherfucker money, but it's another thing to say he's not deserving, putting the work in that he did, especially the last two seasons growing with the team and all of that.
Starting point is 01:40:27 I mean, everybody's out there trying to get the money. So now that he got it, the only difference now is what you're going to do after you get the money. Are you going to play like he played in the playoffs? That's something that you can't really have as an expectation because he did get exposed. So right now, the pistons have to assess whether or not we're going to get the Jalen Durden
Starting point is 01:40:49 from the regular season or the Jalen Darden from the playoffs. Who are we paying? And you're not going to know that until after you pay him. So that's like paying AD that $2.50 you pay him. And I said, damn, y'all know that he ain't going to come back. being the AD y'all paying. He literally can sit back and go fishing every day and be like, shit, I'm deserving of this.
Starting point is 01:41:11 I played well the last three years to earn this. I'm going to get this money. I'm going to take a break. Start doing punk. Yeah, I start doing punk. Now he just took a break. This motherfucker ain't even in the gym no more. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:41:23 I just... I'm just saying. So right now it's like when you give... He's supposed to do that show. You give guys this much money. The prank show. I'm supposed to do it against Gil. What you're going to do after you get to do?
Starting point is 01:41:34 The Anthony never? That's why you're really real information. We still could have that episode cracking, but... Nah. He deserved it, though. Yeah, I think he deserved it. Mr. B. former Piston. Jalen, during 22 years old,
Starting point is 01:41:50 had a great regular season made his first all-N-B-A team eligible now for that five-year Supermax worth nearly $290 million. Is he deserving of it? I mean, by the rules, yeah. If I'm Detroit Pistons, We're going to have to have some conversations because I think in history, I think he had one of the biggest drop-offs from going from 19 points to 10 points in the playoffs. And if I'm going to pay this guy max money like that, you already showing me who you are when we need you the most.
Starting point is 01:42:24 And I just feel like, you know, if you're going to pay guys, I get we're going to pay guys for 82 games and what they do. But, you know, a lot of that should be held accountable with you doing the playoffs too. because that's where your money is made. So I know they're going to pay them, but for me it's going to have to be some type of writing in there or something because, like, I just, I mean, do. It's the biggest drop-off we've ever seen from any superstar, like from any all-star players.
Starting point is 01:42:48 What did he do last year in a playoff? Huh? What did he do last year in a playoff? I don't know, but he went from 19 to 10 points in the playoffs, and that's disgusting. So they're just going to have to figure it out. But, yeah, I mean, you've got to pay him because of what he did for 82 games. but if I'm Detroit, we got to write something.
Starting point is 01:43:06 The average 12 and 11 in the playoffs last year at 21 years old, but shot 65% from the field. Being consistent. Huh? 12 and 10. 12 and 11 last season? 12 and 11, 10. His first post season.
Starting point is 01:43:21 Being consistent in the playoffs. Being consistently bad. Being consistent to him. It was good for him. That was good. Two points more. Yeah, two points more to him last year. That's the big thing for Detroit.
Starting point is 01:43:30 He had 12th and now 10. That's what I'm saying. He's consistent. So he's down. Still, we're in the same range. Don't expect too much for me when playoffs come around. This is what I'm going to give you. This is what I'm going to give you?
Starting point is 01:43:41 No. Get you a good third leg that's going to come in here and do some more shit. Tobias, watch out. You can pay you enough. That's what it is. That's not a good. Back up. I hope you got somebody good.
Starting point is 01:43:53 That's what it is. So Skip, this on Jayland Durr situation, for Super Max, obviously, Pistist's fans may feel a certain way about it. But 20 and 11, 65% shooting the regular season did have the playoff drop-off, but do you think... If they don't pay him, somebody else will. And he's still a baby to me, but he's a baby bull. And he's a load.
Starting point is 01:44:22 And I get what Brandon is saying, because that's just scary bad drop. Like, that's just frightening. Like, it just scares you to the bottom of your soul if you're sitting upstairs in Detroit saying, God, are we going to risk this? But I just don't know how you don't risk it.
Starting point is 01:44:40 I just think you have to hope that he grows into his body, sort of, you know, psychologically, he just grows into his potential because it's big potential. And I do, I've watched him a lot in the regular season and they're nights when I think he's
Starting point is 01:44:58 going to be really good. Like, has potential to be an all-star at some point. But I can't defend what you're talking about. And I watched every one of those games against Cleveland, and we're talking about Cade, and they had a home game seven, and they just didn't show up against James Hardin, who also didn't show up, but they showed up less than James Hardin did.
Starting point is 01:45:24 I don't know how you do that, but it's one of those, close your eyes and pay them, I think. Where, you know, can you get him for a little bit less, or can, but he's eligible for the max. And I just think you don't, you don't want to let him go. You don't want to let him hit the market. As an assessment, you've been around the game long enough to be able to compare him to someone. Who would you compare him to, potential wise?
Starting point is 01:45:56 It's the classic NBA body. Who did you play with, who just was born with an NBA body? where you can't teach it or coach it and he can play with it too he can he can flex it and flaunt it um how was I don't like my dice because he yeah ice can shoot it yeah I'm thinking love Ben Wallace yeah no wait but Antonio Dave is that yeah he was big body but it's like they were more brute brutes than like he can actually he got some type of skill down there like I don't want to say I want to say Kevin Willis.
Starting point is 01:46:35 Yeah, now you're going way back. Ben Wallace, Theo Ratliff. What about Alonzo? I like Theo Ratliff. I like Theo a lot. Alonzo. Later in the age, Alonzo. Later in age, Alonzo.
Starting point is 01:46:49 You say he could score, though, right? You say he could score. He can score. He's average in 20. Oh, yeah. They say he's... Okay. 610.
Starting point is 01:46:56 16, 21? 610. 16. You got to pay him, though. And the NBA where the bigs are not like... It's not a big lead and you need guys that strong to move their feet that could guard certain players like a Joker or try to keep up with guys like this. It's only a handful of good bigs in the NBA and if you find one I feel like you gotta
Starting point is 01:47:19 pay them. Also they're paying guys that like Austin Reeves that messed up in the playoffs. You got James Hart and all these type of guys that mess up. It happens. I think you learn for it, but... Austin Reese has not been paid yet, though, Swaggy. But they're still talking about paying them, no. His numbers didn't go down.
Starting point is 01:47:40 I mean, his numbers went down, but his money didn't go down yet. You know, so I think you pay him. He's a big body. I think you just got to figure out what to do with the other guys. I think you keep him. I think right now, I would say he's, for sure, top 15 big in the league. He's a top 15 player in the league, voted by the Square Media. But yeah, I would say top 10, and if you're a top 10 big, you gotta put your money
Starting point is 01:48:12 you don't want nobody else. It ain't hard to be. Top 10 big ain't hard to be. That's what I'm saying, when you find one of them. Yeah, you can't teach big. You can't teach that. Like Oakley, Mahorn, those guys, but they had nasty in them that I don't yet see in this kid. They were enforcers and he's got an enforcer's body without the fuel, the rocket fuel to it.
Starting point is 01:48:38 Like Oakland, you just didn't mess with them. Nobody messed with it. Yeah, I mean, you're talking about guys getting 20 a game, right? So if you're getting 20 in a game and you got this type of body type. Yeah, you're getting 20 off or just work. Yeah, just bully. Yes. All straight, brute bully.
Starting point is 01:48:57 It's hard to say. What about the guy who sits over there? A lot, right? Kenyon? Yeah. Well, he didn't have the body type. Yeah, Kenyon was the jumper. He was leap and jump.
Starting point is 01:49:08 But he played strong, man. Yo, yeah, for sure. For sure. Maybe like a Neyne. Yeah, that's, oh, God. Like, Neyne was good, he got to get strong as far as like Deionte George, but he ain't bouncy like that. Oh, Al didn't have that body.
Starting point is 01:49:24 Yeah. He was big. He was big. He was a big, because he. Because he's strong, big, strong. Yeah. It's not too many guys that was big, strong, average money. Besides Ben Wallace to me.
Starting point is 01:49:35 Yeah, Ben didn't average 20. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think he's compared to anybody. I think this is a new breed. Yeah. And you got a lot of young. It's our expectation of him too. You got a lot of young bigs coming in though.
Starting point is 01:49:49 22 years old. They're only 22, Swagg. 20 and 10. You ain't no Zach Randolph or no Mark Gassau. I want you to do all that soft stuff too. But still 20, I mean, 20, He has a lot of layers he can add to his game. I mean, we got to keep coming back.
Starting point is 01:50:03 You can't. You can't. But you need to punish people. Mr. B, you said one guy in 22? That's true. Just turning the shack. They're not even teach, you can't teach that shit. The white hours, when he turned into the buffing in.
Starting point is 01:50:18 But you can't teach that. The white came in from high school doing that shit. Yeah, he did. He was special. But he got stronger too, though. Yeah. But he was special with knowing how to do it without having you be able to teach.
Starting point is 01:50:30 It's a check. Jack was the same. Like you, this is Neon-Boldo. If you don't know who Neon-Boldo is, go watch Blue Chips back in the time. Very prized we're through from Algeria's Louisiana. They ain't just throwing it down here for you. Right. It's not.
Starting point is 01:50:45 And that's why he's not thriving the way. We want him to shoot that mid-Rangie. That's the Antonio McDice that I'm thinking of that he could be like. But he don't have that, I'm going to catch it and shoot it confidence. He don't have that. No. I got this. open you gotta guard me but you mentioned Dwight Howard he was only 610 but he had shoulders and
Starting point is 01:51:05 oh man man child man child and he has some moves down there he did moves he can dribble and in Carl Malone car Malone I mean shit I mean this man too I mean saying like McCar had that jump shot though car pick a row picking pop you can get that he need to work on that he work on that he work on that there ain't ever be no 10 points in the playoffs but it's hard you too buff like what's not He's too buff. He got to fucking wristy. He got to work on your touch. Did you see how buffed Carmelon was?
Starting point is 01:51:34 He was so... He was the male man. Out there, out there hitting 12-15 butter like this. He didn't come in that big. He was... He didn't come in that big. Yeah, he didn't come in. He didn't come in.
Starting point is 01:51:43 He looked at the size, though. They looked the size. But what I'm saying is, he got even bigger and was still hitting that 12-15. Because he already had touch. Yeah. Right. He already had it coming in. He's 22?
Starting point is 01:51:54 Even if you get bigger with touch, that's like Winby. He'll get bigger, what for call it for the freak. Yeah, the Greek freakie. They got bigger. Right. But Greek didn't have no touch when he came in, which is why he don't got touch now. So when be going to get bigger and he's going to keep his touch. I know what you're saying.
Starting point is 01:52:09 That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So it's harder to teach to touch as you get more muscles. Yeah. Because you're trying to adjust how to do certain shit. But listen, but since we're talking about it, this summer then when he gets paid, that's what he needs to go do that. Like he needs to go shoot a thousand touch shots from 12 to 15 feet.
Starting point is 01:52:25 Facts. Like if that's the case then. So go start now. Like, you're about to get paid. We already know what you can do. You got to hit this shot for us to be able to give you a... Pay somebody like you to come off the pink of road and just... No, play lethal what?
Starting point is 01:52:37 No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing none of that shit. I'm on a golf course. Listen, you're Detroit. The BM, play of the betterment. I'm on a golf course. All right, so last thing we were discussed for today, so we look at those All-N-B-A teams.
Starting point is 01:52:50 One name missing from the list, LeBron James, who did not make an All-MBA team for the first time since 2005, snapping its streak of 21 straight, All-NBA selection. No other players made All-MBA more than 15 straight times
Starting point is 01:53:03 with Kareem Kobe and Tim Duncan all tied for that second-longest streak. So Mr. B, when you look at what LeBron was able to accomplish, you talked about going to the finals of a 22 years old. Last time he did not make
Starting point is 01:53:13 an all-N-B-A team, 2005. We were still wearing 5X pro clubs at that point in life. Side kicks, all those things going on. How impressive was the bronze streak of 21 straight, all-MBA team? Couldn't help itself, Skip.
Starting point is 01:53:26 He had to ask this question. It's historic. They just bombarded us with this shit all of the stuff. We've heard about epic failure. We have to talk about it. Go ahead, go ahead, man. Let's just celebrate more of him. No, it's incredible.
Starting point is 01:53:40 It's incredible. I mean, for the run that he's had 21 years. I haven't made it since 2004 was the last. We did not make an only minute. Geez. A long run, decade, decades. You know, we was on his couch and we were talking about his stunt in Miami was a failure. Which is crazy because that means a lot of people's careers, all.
Starting point is 01:53:59 all of our careers or whatever, it's failures. But just a consistency and his will and, man, just his body. I mean, I can't really explain it. It's something we've never seen. So it was just amazing just to see and just salute to him. Swaguerg, let's move over to you. I appreciate her of greatness. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:54:20 Championship experience. What he's did. He deserved. You just got activated. It seemed like you just got activated. Oh, my God. Go ahead. Which third button.
Starting point is 01:54:31 He deserved to be all-N-B-A first team. Well, he's did this year. Playoffs, you see what he did? In the postseason. Luther Nair, definitely make the all-playoff team. Think about Lucanar, Marcus Mark, Jackson Hayes. Will them to... A series win over the Rock.
Starting point is 01:54:48 Rui Hachamua. Shout out to my Shail-Lam, homie. From Japan, Black, from Japan, my nigga. That's why I said, Shailene. That's why I said, Shailene. He's not a triad. He's not a part of the triad. But think about it.
Starting point is 01:55:05 Look at that team. I'm going to say it again. LeBron James as the leader. 41 years old. Lucanar. LeBron 41. Accountable. Lucanar.
Starting point is 01:55:16 Marcus Mark. Jackson Hayes. Alexe Hayes. Bootsie Collins. Bootsie Collins. He's trying to name the Funkadelic. He don't remember all their names. Coming off the bitch, you got Jake.
Starting point is 01:55:36 You got, who else they had? Who else the head? See how you don't know. But that's, yeah. Bronnie. A testament. Bronny James has to play the men. And they beat Houston Rockets.
Starting point is 01:55:49 We all day men. He made Katie quit. Can I confirm or deny that? Houston, a close to full strength adjacent Houston Rocket Squad? So, yeah, he deserves to be all NBA. You know, did things Jordan couldn't do with the Wizards, went to the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:56:07 Michael, Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Okay. Because what was Mike doing? Oh, he was golfing. He was learning how to golf. He was thinking of New Jordan shoes to come out. I think that was around what? That was Jordan 27 around that time?
Starting point is 01:56:22 Something like that. He had nothing but time That's what those shoes was ass then After 21 of the shoes start getting trash They just start back getting good at 40 Because he mad at LeBron So he's like, shit, I gotta make something good To fuck with LeBron
Starting point is 01:56:40 So I'm just gonna make some shoes What? That's good Oh What are you talking about? I'm just rambling The Jordan Wands Are still better than anything It's round it out
Starting point is 01:56:51 Oh, she's like to see Yeah, I got it on These are the first ones. It's like a classic shoot. That's like... Why they keep putting them out 40 years later? Now let's move on to our two biggest bronze supporters on this couch. Schaerick, I know deep down you love LeBron.
Starting point is 01:57:04 Yeah. Ebony and Ivory together a perfect harmony. Michelle, how impressive is LeBron streak of 21 straight all NBA teams? When you look back at history, no other players done it more than 15 times. Oh, that was the question? That was... Oh, my bad. I just heard Brian and start...
Starting point is 01:57:22 I didn't come up with it. I just started talking good about Brian because I heard Brian. My back. Let me think. Do I want motherfuckers to attack me after the show or not? Yes. Black SUVs? No, Brad.
Starting point is 01:57:38 Stop gassing him to say stuff. No, I want him to be. He's cemetery. He's literally. Put people in the back. If it ain't impressive, say it. He's going to get put in the back. A doctor with a PhD.
Starting point is 01:57:49 It's hard to impress this brother. No, he's impressive. Not impressed by much. He's impressive. Thank you, Sean. It's impressive. Okay, okay. You just wanted to get some good things.
Starting point is 01:57:59 Smoke, yeah, two decades right there, there go, right there. I don't know how to do it. Okay. Dubs in the chat. Ain't that what the kids say? Dubs in the chat. A smoke machine currently dealing with something. Damn.
Starting point is 01:58:15 Go ahead. Come on. This is for you. Spreading out. This smoke is for you. It's from my smoke? Yeah. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:24 I'm celebrating somebody. What's going to say? Let's go. It's on you. Let's be giving your flowers. I'm giving somebody else flowers. I don't need flowers. If you can say, no, we got the smoke on you.
Starting point is 01:58:34 Let's go. The smoke is all gravitated toy shop. What's going on? Is it going now going to me? Yeah, let's go. Let's go, let's go, yeah. Naturally going to me, huh? We do not duck this moment like with you.
Starting point is 01:58:45 I'm naturally on fire all the time, huh? God damn. Let's go. Here we go. You're going to go cook. No, I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, Listen, it's historic, man. We ain't seen nothing like this since the other guys who've done it before him, which were Kobe Corrine.
Starting point is 01:59:01 I can never seen that. Who was the other guy? Louisville Duncan for my son. Tim Duncan. Yeah. Right? These other guys that were in that same breath. So why not join the Mount Rushmore?
Starting point is 01:59:13 I think that's where he belongs. He's put into work. He's done all the things that we thought that he couldn't do, you know? made it to the finals 10 times and won four of them. And, um, I mean, what more can you ask for? Eight straight, say eight straight finals. Eight straight. Yeah, say that.
Starting point is 01:59:36 Was accountable at 22? Mm. Mm. He made of high school, man, was the man. He was the man. He was the man, homie. He wasn't the same. Still the man.
Starting point is 01:59:45 In high school, he was the man, homie. He still. And you still are. That was just crazy. No, he definitely deserve everything, man. I'm just waiting for this shit to be over with. Yeah. Some point a little.
Starting point is 01:59:57 Wait for this shit to be over with. It's like fast and the furious. It's like, God damn, we got another one. 21. Ben Diesel. They said the same thing about Jayzee. Just keep going. That car still moving, Ben Diesel.
Starting point is 02:00:10 Kobe 15, Tim Duncan, 15, Shaq, 14. So, Brown, 21.7 assists. Six rebounds of season. But Skip, let's move on to you. Skip, you've documented the epic failure before I sat on this couch. I had to listen to that. just because I'm in a really good mood today
Starting point is 02:00:25 this is for Nick and Josiah LeBron James is the longevity goat that's what he is he's not the goat goat goat but he is the longevity goat that our editors can clip that the way we need to push the narrative that we want can't even see each other
Starting point is 02:00:44 because we have never ever seen a more durable superstar in any sport and he has been the most blessed athlete ever as far as, and I'm knocking on wood because I don't even like to bring it up, but it's just astounding, staggering, astonishing. He's never had a surgery,
Starting point is 02:01:04 not a single knee or Achilles or shoulder or elbow. He's had nothing. Keep going, Skip. Yeah, he had some cramps. Keep going. They did have to cut the air conditioning. Keep going to get him, get to get it. They had to give us some electrolytes a couple times.
Starting point is 02:01:21 In that game, what was it, game one at San Antonio in 2014. Yeah, he was the only one who cramped, I don't know why, but... The only elite athlete? That's the cryptic night, it's the kryptonite. But the point is, he did have the greatest age 41 season ever, and it ain't even close. It's just because nobody's ever even gotten close to what he did. I thought I never see this day. This year, and I assume we're gonna see him for at least one.
Starting point is 02:01:51 more and I wouldn't be surprised if we seem for two more. I would not at all be surprised. Don't know where we'll see him yet, Skip, but we don't. We don't. We will see. Skip need two more years, LeBron. That's what he's saying. He needs two more years to hate.
Starting point is 02:02:02 Yeah, yeah. Shit, why not? Shit, you're going to play, we're going to hate. Skip, that was beautiful, man. Yeah. That was very beautiful. That was, God damn. That was, God damn.
Starting point is 02:02:13 Let's give it up, man. Let's go, Skip. That's what we do. Almost made me cry, man. Damn. It did make me cry. All that damn hate. I'm crying inside, man.
Starting point is 02:02:25 Shit, long awaited. We have done it. We have done it at last. That's what we got to end on that. We don't have to end on that. We appreciate those kind words. I appreciate those kind words as well. LeBron, if you are watching, appreciate you as well.
Starting point is 02:02:38 Oh, you're not watching? He is tuned in. We know you're watching but pretending not to watch. He is tuned in. But shout out to everybody. Oh, wait, one more thing before we go. I'm sorry. We got to show the updated playoff leaderboard.
Starting point is 02:02:50 Oh, yeah. I gotta be one. Shout out to our friends over at Underdog. Powered by Underdogs prediction market. Listen, I have more. Listen, I played more than everybody. So, of course, my score going to look like that. That is not a part of the criteria.
Starting point is 02:03:06 You have 37 losses. That's because I've been in front then. 37 loss. I've been playing. You got the less losses. I started since day one. You don't have the less losses. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 02:03:19 He has 18 losses. He has. Six. Right. That's because they missed. You guys missed. I've been I've been playing since day one. If he's doing it like that. We're talking about the less losses. We're talking about the most losses. That's why he's not talking about the mo. Who has the most lost? I've been
Starting point is 02:03:33 playing since the plan. That's not fair. Lost, lost, loss. The plan counts. They wasn't even putting in their bets on the plan. They were not submitting to picks. They wasn't submitting. I believe you are not with us tomorrow. So I want to get your pick for game six. I will save the rest of the rest. I already know my pick is.
Starting point is 02:03:50 I liked it better when I was four and six so I could represent LeBron's finals. See, Skip, you was doing so good. Thank you for acknowledging the World Championship. Thank you for announcement. That segment is over, Skip. Good job. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:04:05 You was doing so good. Okay, game six at San Antonio, I am sticking with Thunder in seven. I got Spurs big in Game Six. That's the way the Thunder do business. That's the way they do business?
Starting point is 02:04:21 Yes, sir. I didn't know that. That's good business. He knows something. But you won't like the business they do to you in game seven back home. My predictions go right. That's all I'm feeling about, you know what I'm saying? All right.
Starting point is 02:04:32 We will get the rest of the couch's pick tomorrow on that game six, not until Thursday. But shout out to everybody in the chat. Appreciate all your commentary. You guys are very wild with some of the assessments that you make. Toong songs in the chat. While watching this show. Shout out to everybody on this couch. Shout out to our amazing crew.
Starting point is 02:04:47 As always, this has been another. episode of Gills Arena, presented by Underdog. What arena? Gills Arena, presented by Underdog, Whoa, whoa, we'll see you all tomorrow. Now, I got the clicker now. I got the clicker now, motherfucker. She's me.

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