Gil's Arena - Shai's UNREAL Season BLOWS UP The Arena

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Shai & The Thunder's DOMINANT Season Is BREAKING The NBA according to Gilbert Arenas as Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Shai Gilgeous Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder improving to 20-1 on the season where they're on pace to shatter the record for point differential. They discuss how impressive this season has been for the reigning NBA Champs and analyze how likely it is that a dynasty will form as this dominant roster will only get better thanks to their tresure trove of future assets. They also break down SGA's incredible streak of 93 consecutive 20 point games and give their take on the debate that the OKC Superstar has a deeper bag than legends like Michael Jordan, before reacting to Dwyane Wade's take on the goat debate where he compares the legacy of Jordan to his former teammate Lebron James. Next, they react to the Phoenix Suns snapping the Los Angeles Lakers win streak at 7 games as Dillon Brooks continued to be the LeBron stopper and debate if the notorious NBA Villain deserves more credit for his impact before reacting to Cooper Flagg making big noise in the NBA after the Dallas Mavericks superstar became the youngest player in NBA History to have 10 assists in a game and score 35 points in back to back nights. They break down if Flagg is showing he has what it takes to be a generational superstar in the NBA before reacting to trade rumors surrounding Anthony Davis and debate if it's a good move for the Mavs to keep their big man on the roster. PLEASE give us a Like and Subscribe!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Rashad McCants & Swaggy P Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 00:00 Show Start 0:02:00 Thunder Domination 0:04:55 SGA Is Having The Greatest Season We've Ever Seen 0:28:34 Shai Has A Better Bag Than Jordan 0:32:35 Dillon Brooks SNAPS The Lakers Streak 0:58:21 Dillon Brooks vs LeBron 1:20:14 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good to be back in here after a productive Thanksgiving weekend. Had a few days off. How was everybody's holiday? Fester, festive. Solid. Sometimes that glass. What? A little tooth's clean.

See through it. I'm trying not to lose it. It's happened to me before I came and be back. Oh yeah, you better do this shit when you come. Everybody good? How you feeling Gil? Good, good, good. Baltimore, okay.

Showing love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baltimore bullets. Remember we were talking about NBA gear you may not want to wear, but I like it. Doing your thing. Shad, I see you. Showing love to the other side.

What other side? North Carolina? No. Tobacco row. It's Cooper. It's a little Cooper. Cooper's Cooper. We got a lot to get into.

This is Gilles Arena, presented by Underdog. Whoop. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson. As always, we got the NBA and NBA 2K legend. Gilbert Arenas here with him. Rocking the Caleb Williams jersey. Showing love to the Bears. They're doing real good right now.

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Oh, okay. Oh, shit. That worked too. Yeah. Well, we got a lot to get into. Here's what's cracking in Gill's Arena today. SGA has the thunder off to one of the hottest starts ever with a historic scoring streak to boot. But does She have a deeper bag than MJ? Paul Pierce, Danny Green, has some interesting comments we have to discuss. Dillon Brooks helped the son snap the Lakers seven-game winning streak. The villain, the villain, deserve more love for what he's bringing to the sons this season. And Cooper Flagg has been making history as an 18-year-old in his rookie campaign. Is the future of the Mabbs proven he can be the future of the league? Before we get into all that, as always, this episode is presented by Underdog, New to Underdog. Use Code Gill and get $100 in bonus entries when you play your first $5 entry, win or lose.

Underdog is available in most states, including Florida, California, and Texas. Support the show, claim your bonus, and start playing today with code. Goal. And if you can't watch the show live with us on YouTube, we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. So we're going to start this by showing some love to the top team in the NBA currently. We might be witnessing the birth of a dynasty as the Thunder continue to dominate the league. OKC beat the Blazers for the second time in the week Sunday for their 12 straight win to improve the 20 and 1. The Blazers is the only team to get the best of OKC so far this season. The Thunder's 12-game

winning streak is tied for the second longest in franchise history. Just three games. James shy of the 15-game streak they had last season. Done most of this without Jalen Williams, who just recently returned to the lineup. Through 21 games, they have a 15.5 point differential per game, which would break the record they set last season with a point differential of 12.9. So as we go around this couch,

we knew the Thunder defending champs. They were going to be good this year, but do we know they were going to be this good? Are you all surprised by the Thunder's dominance so far this season? No. 20 and 1? No, I'm not surprised.

One bit. They better than the rest of the NBA, man. That's why they want it. For one, for two. Like I said, the biggest free agent they got was confidence. Right? Them dudes, man, they came into this thing believing that they can do it again. And to do that, you got to get off to a hot start.

We got to lock in from game one. No championship hangover. like a lot of teams go through. We've seen that before where you come out and playing lack of days ago the first month of the season. Now you're playing 500 ball. Now you really got to push the gas

and turn it on to get back to being one, two seed. So I think they did excellent job, man. Shout out to Shay for leading that with your number two being out. With J. Dub being out, I think for them to still hold a fort down and it's huge. It's huge for them, for their confidence moving forward

for the rest of the season. And like I stated when we first talked about them, I think they're going to break the record. Like they're going to break that 73 and 9. We're talking about no championship hangover. They started the season when back-to-back double overtime wins against the Rockets. Pacer's, obviously, Pacer's trash this year,

but Rocket's solid squad. Swagin, when you look at this thunder, you surprised it all by just how dominoed they meant. We knew they were going to come out strong, but 20 and 1 right now on pace. to break the warrior single season, wins record. No, like you said, I feel like confidence is there. Once you get that wolf off your back and you finally win, you could, you know, it ain't

on no stopping from there. And I feel like Shay has got that Kobe mentality a little bit. You don't become great until you win multiple, you know. That's when they consider you, consider you one of the greatest. like they all playing with that chip on their shoulder. And they are the best team in the league besides the Lakers. Well, we will discuss what the Lakers got going on shortly. But that wolf father off their back, is that Anthony Edwards?

No, that's Denver when you get past the team that, you know, people expect to beat you. And no matter how good you play, somehow they always win when you finally get that victory, I feel like that gives you the confidence for sure. Let's move over to Cemetery Larry, looking at the Thunder Squad, what they've been able to accomplish so far this season. No Jalen Williams for most of the season. Obviously, Hardinstein, down now for a little bit.

But SGA, doing what he's doing, Chad playing at a high level. You've got a lot of guys on that roster stepping up. As y'all know, I like to talk hoop. So I think number one is you have to win the games you're supposed to win. I think getting off to a high start is important. Both of them and the Lakers have done that. I think the Pistons as well.

But when I look at their schedule, when you talk about who they've played thus far, minus the Rockets, you've got a bunch of struggling teams that they've done exactly what they're supposed to do. From the Grizzlies to the Kings, to the Warriors, to the Clippers. They beat the shit out of the Lakers.

I think this was before they kind of caught their stride. Hornets, pelicans, jazz, blazers. Still think the Timberwolves were struggling a bit. Sons gave them a run for their money. Barely kind of got through the blazers this last time. I think

I think at any point during the season, you do have a challenge. And I think that's going to be something that either fatigue or injury is going to set in. If they happen to stay healthy the whole time, they can get a record. But the whistles they get, teams they've been playing up against, it's kind of difficult to kind of gauge it from my perspective because they haven't really truly been tested. And I think once those tests come, we get to see how good they truly are compared to last year. Seeing that they didn't have any really major acquisitions in the summer, they just ran it back. And we were always seeing teams that don't do that struggle late.

So it's going to be something of, to me, it's going to be a spectacle to see. I think it's going to be something that I'm looking forward to as far as a test. I just don't like the Kobe comparisons for SGA. We're going to talk. We will talk about that. Just kind of leave that alone. Mentioned somebody else. There's so many other players to mention. But yeah, he's playing well.

I mean, despite, you know, all the things that's happening for the team and him being able to get out there and not play fourth quarters and all that type of stuff, you know, let them do what he do. You know what I'm saying? Nothing to do with the homie. They beat people by damn the 16 points tonight, bro. They ain't make the schedule. That's what I said.

So they don't only play the team that's in front of them. Well, that's all of them right now. So as you look at this Thunder Squad, about a quarter of the way through the season, 21 games, have 1 20 of those 21 games. It looks like the same thing when after Golden State won their championship, and they started that next season, damn they're under defeated, right? That was with Luke Walton. Yeah.

They came out with a hot start. It's the same thing, right? you've proved to yourself that you are champions you prove to yourself that you are the best team by winning the championship the year before and they didn't think that was good enough for them right it wasn't satisfied with just winning the championship because I don't think they liked the way they did it you know with rumbles and you know you have Hallie talking about if he was playing they were the one that games you know i mean little things like that right um kept that championship team one and more and they've shown it right their records 20 and 1 they've been tested if you look at preseason rankings and who was ranked who was two who was three who was four they smacked on them where they are now that's irrelevant right clippers was supposed to be the second best team in the league smack daddy right did they smack day they beat Denver they beat Houston they beat the

lake they beat every team that's supposed to meet them in the championship right the team they lost too yeah bottom feeder they just they just let up but every team that was preseason and you look at their preseason they've beat through them right so when we say who is haven't played the nuggets yet they beat them nuggets by three I think haven't played the Nuggets yet Let me double check for you They have not played the Nuggets yet 10, 17 that was in the Nuggets?

Preseason. On the preseason? They beat them by three. They beat them niggas by three, right? So, you know, the test is themselves, right? They're, it's, who's going to beat them as them? There's no opponent that they're afraid of at this point. I don't see that happen.

Yeah, they... I don't see them beating themselves. Like usually when a team loses, it's inner. Yeah, I don't know. You're fighting within each other, right? You're fighting who wants the ball, who needs the ball, who is the star, right? This, no, right? The star, the second option leaves.

Somebody steps up, right? Yeah, J. Mitchell's bowling. And then Hartstein goes out, then they get J. Dubb back. It's like you don't miss a beat. Yeah, yeah. They got plug, like we've been saying, they got plug and play guys, man. Like, they, they've done an excellent job at scouting and drafting and getting the same like-minded, like-skilled guys that if a guy goes down, they can plug another guy in, man. So, yeah, I don't, yeah, they got the league figured out, man.

We're going to come out. We're going to defend y'all at a high level. We got multiple guys to do that. We're going to get after y'all on the defensive end. And the games are over after three quarters. So we can rest this guy. He's going to be fresh at the end of the season because he's, you don't have the miles that he normally would have had. So, especially, yeah, they, they get through this month with, what, two losses?

Come on. Like, let's be honest, like, if they lose two games this month or three games this month, they're still ahead of the curve. Like, they are still, like. You got that 2015-16 Warrior Squad, started the season 24-0, didn't get their second loss until game 31. They were 29 and 2. Just something for us to monitor right now. It's under 20 and 1. How did they end the season that year?

They were 73 and 9. 73 and 9. What happened? What do you mean? They did. They won the championship? They did not. Oh.

Face the jugger not. You know why? Because it's still the NBA. Still got play. Still got teams. Still going to battle to the end. Still going to test you. Test your might.

That's what I mean, I'm hoping they, they get to a point where they're comfortable like everybody's saying. But I still think there's a Detroit. There's a there's teams out there that could step up to that challenge and beat them when it when it matters most. I think the momentum will take them over the top just like the Lakers continue their momentum. They'll get to where they need to be. Certain teams can ride the momentum, but I think the true test is going to come when you plan against teams who match up with you well, who are going to push you to the limit, who's going to force the whistles to balance out.

I think that's what Houston did early on in the first game. Took them to the limit. So what teams is that that you speak of? Maybe four, five teams. Which teams? Denver, Houston. I like San Antonio. I like Detroit.

I like the Knicks. Of the ones you named, I go with Denver because they got the equalized and they'd revamp their roster and Detroit. Other than that, they go smack the rest of them dudes. And the only team they got to worry about over there. I think Detroit would beat them in the time of you? I said Denver, Detroit.

Yeah. You think the truth? I think Houston. Compete with them. I don't think healthy whimby. I don't think Houston has enough. Yeah. I don't think Houston got to know.

100%. Yeah. Because they can take what's the name about the game? In a couple of years. I don't think they can take reach up that game. It's competition, right? When you step up to compete against a team who's mentally tough, they, they stabilize, they understand what to do, the competition.

rises to the occasion. It's not necessarily what you did last year, none of that. It's how we play. Am I going to step up and stop SGA based on my competition level? Not I'm scared or he getting whistles. I think everybody better doing it. Other guys got to make big shots too though. Who you relying on in Detroit besides? I agree. That's the thing I'm talking. But they're not fully healthy either. So and you think about Detroit, I mean you think about Houston, that game, they lost. Aiman Thompson, I think he was out early. So there's a lot

of things that happened. He played that game. He played, but he got hurt. I think he got hurt. Cramped. Yeah. He had cramped. And that was late in the game. And they took them to the overtime? Double overtime. Double overtime. No Jalen Williams. But what happened? But what happened? But what happened?

They found the way to win. But what happened when that when that shit said triple zero's, what was the final? No, I get that. That's not the part of conversation. No, no, but you brought it. That's not my point. But what happened, though?

You brought it up. But that's not my point. But they lost. Yeah, we get it. Same competition. They lost that competition. That's the end. But I'm talking about the game.

Well, you brought the end of the season up, so I'm bringing in the games up. I'm explaining the gameplay. Yeah, they lost. They lost. They lost. Yes. The game play. The game play.

Yeah. How they lost. The other team had more point. I don't want to skip to the end. The other team had more point. I like to walk them through the whole morning. So that was 20 games ago. So what we say at the end of the game,

KD stay on the flow. He don't jump for that little pump fake. We talk ifs and fifths. Don't we do that all the time? Not ifs and fifths. We know the result. We talk about ifs and fifths all the time. So we know the result, though, they lost.

So that's why I say the challenge for them, beyond the ifs and fifths coming up, if you compete the way they competed against them in that game, you got a chance. That is a playoff game. That's a playoff. First game of the same. season playoff tight game double over time

so you don't think they've done that no why you haven't been tested like that but why you know they go into every game with that mentality that's why I'm not talking about them I'm talking about other teams that's why they put them teams away within three quarters the other teams don't have what Houston had well they they smack them so other teams ain't got a chance

they win in overtime if they beat that said team other teams ain't got a shot just the patient we don't know the Pacers they didn't have a shot they ain't and they figure out to win playoff tight games oh guys are getting up for them and they lose Man, they're not capable of being the veteran team. Everybody get up for them.

Know how to win the game. They're the champs. Everybody get up for them. We got that. Right. But every single team in the past that has been the champs from Milwaukee to Denver to Boston Celtics, we've had the conversation of saying, hey, man, these guys figured it out. They got this team and they could come back next year and who, who, who, who, what happened to Jason Tatum?

All way up until the end. The boss of Celtics looked good. Yeah, but they were going, they were on verge of losing that series or losing that series even with, that's what I'm saying. So even though they start hot and we're looking at the defended champs, like y'all should come back, y'all should come back and be something. Yeah. It don't mean that you're going to do that. It's all over the place. It's going to be twisting this bitch, boy.

He's got to follow. Follow the follow. I can't, you go, you're all over this. Red dot, green dot, red dot, blue dot, digger, you. It all come back to the black dot. Hey, hey, attention. I'm trying, but you just got to digger's, oh, this bitch, this arm, this, for me to put my left arm behind my back to touch this with him.

Got to listen. You got to listen to comprehend. When you look at this Thunder Squad versus those other teams that you mentioned, they're in a very good position. They got. Very different because this team actually, each player knows their identity. No one's having crisis. No one is thinking their option to or option.

Option 2 knows he's. option two. He's fine would be an option two. Option three knows he's option three. The defenders noted the defenders, so there's no mid-season ego. So if someone tries to run a narrative like they did against Boston, who is the number

one option here? That doesn't work with that team. This team is coming out dominating. They're not having these ups and downs games losing here, winning here. It's just like Golden State. Even though we know what happened

at the end with Draymond getting suspended and that kind of handicapped that team. Other than that, that team walked through the NBA. Steph Curry was sitting on the bench in the fourth quarter. Same as this. Same as this. Sitting on the bench and watching laughing. Playing throw the bottle, bottle top. That's how easy regular season was for them.

And right now, there's no team right now today that looks stable. 10 games straight to say, okay, they can compete with them. Everybody's sitting there doing what regular season does and this team don't, they look the same as when the Bulls was doing it. Golden State was that we have references now where we can go back and see, okay, when the Bulls did the 72 and 10, what they look like. This is what it looks like.

Where do you feel like this Thunder Squad stacks up against some of those all-time graded? Don't know. When you look at what they've been able to put. To the end of the season, to the end of the regular season for one, see what they're at the end of the regular season and see what they're doing in the postseason. Then you judge it.

After 21 games, they are the best team in this NBA this year. But he would come up last season, winning in the chip. That's fine. That's last year. They got that in their pocket all already. That's in the bank. Cool. You got to win another one.

And go doing it the way they're doing it now. We'll put them in the conversation with those teams. But we've got to finish the regular season at this trajectory like they have been. whoop putting motherfucking BTA nigga belt to ass and go through

the sweep to have a couple sweeps in the playoffs and things like that then you'll be like oh shit they're really for real right

so where it looks do teams normally get better throughout the season or do they get worse really good teams get better good teams get better

just making sure bad teams get worse so a lot of these teams we look at the east and you look at the west the standings right is it a representation of good teams

playing bad. I mean, Clipper's supposed to be number two. What we... Let's start with the East. Five, six, seven, maybe eight. Those teams right there

usually are in the top five. But they're not, they're where they are. Right? So never been playing bad basketball, but the East is not the greatest. You look at the West. The top four teams,

we could predict top four teams of the top four teams. Like you said, Where are they at? 14? Shit. So they're not one of the teams that's up there. Grizzlies.

They're starting to play better. Dallas. We wouldn't have predicted Dallas to be so far. Certain teams that we're like, oh, it's either these teams got a long way to go as far as turning it around. Well, we now got to consider them bottom half of the conference now. So for me, I'm looking at it like, all right, we do got a long way to go. Kauai sitting there real optimistic about how they can turn it around and still turn what around Their season boy this shit over so however you mix it you still got good teams that feel like they good

They just need to get it together need to figure it out when you talk about who you got two teams that's just figured it out they're striving okay see figured it out they like look we ain't putting out we ain't taking off it off the gas we're gonna keep this bitch rolling so if you can't figure them out they're gonna keep doing it but history tells us 73 and 9 don't mean shit. That's all I'm seeing. 73 and 9 don't mean shit if you ain't going to take it all the way over. And you don't got a LeBron James on the other side. That's going to stop you. But you do got teams that's got guys that can play. But the problem is this.

Everyone can get better. They can get better. So the fact that they're dominating now and they have not played with their whole roster. that's the bad part, right? That if they're 20 and one right now with this and how their lineup has been and you haven't had the full lineup, there's no other team that can say,

hey, we're waiting for our guy to get back. So that's them. They're saying that. When we get our guys back, y'all in trouble. That's what they get to say. So I don't think there's a team in the east right now that is even loaded enough to beat anybody in the West.

There's going to be a West championship. right it's gonna be like okay see if they get hurt right knock on wood that's the only reason they won't be in a championship or unless they run against yoke's and yoke's sin fuck all y'all y'all and do what he does best right those are the two right now we know are very elite the team is elite okay c i mean not okay c but houston's problem is the best players are very young And we know during playoff sometimes, this is not an OKC young where the team is young, but the best player is 26, everybody else is kind of a little older. We're talking about Sangoon's on a sturdy. Like that is a young group of guys and they still play young, right?

So I really don't see them making it all the way, but I see them like giving somebody some trouble. Golden State is one of those teams like, if you don't really have a great guy, game plan, number 30 going to tear you up. They could turn it around. They can turn it around. And remember February is the deadline. Right? So we still can maneuver shit around

roster-wise. But it made other people I'm saying just for everybody. Like for everybody, it's AD talking about. Here's the crazy part that. The Thunder could do that. It makes them fuck you trade. They can't. They got a lot. Not to say they will.

How many teams have won the championship? I can just think of the Detroit business that made a in season trade and that player helped him win the champion took them took them over the time yeah that don't happen that's that's really hard because usually a team like does that is desperate lakers with paucasol or not that was it wasn't midseason was it no that was a midseason but javar his memory he came to a team yeah that was at the beginning of the season it was in the summer and they didn't win a championship boston wasn't no one boston no it wasn't boston that's probably the last one detroit

Last Detroit. Hold on. Yeah, February 2008 was at that trade. Yeah. So they didn't win a championship that year. They won it. Yeah. But made it to the final.

It was February, right? Black History Month. That would be the only thing I think that was here, okay. See, if somebody made a good trade, a good acquisition to a guy that could help them win, that would be the deterrent. Not saying they could do that, but if they have some injury issues or any situations, they have some draft capital at their disposal. When did you have a good trade? Yeah. Was it?

They didn't make a treat? I don't know. I don't know. Before the deadline? I'm not sure. They won that year? During the coat? No, after the coach?

It was after. Yeah, I don't know. But I know it's rare. It's rare. So let's talk a little bit about SGA. SGA coming off of MVP season, one of the front runners again this season, with his consistent bucket getting reaching historic levels. SGA dropped 26 in the win over the Blazers to extend a streak of consecutive regular season,

20-point games to 93 passing Wilt for the second longest all-time. Wilt also holds the record for the longer streak with 126 games. No other players in league history have reached 90 plus games, and the next longest active streak is only 19 games. SGA also currently leads the league in clutch points, despite only playing in the fourth quarter in 10 of his 21 games this season. So when you look at what SGA is doing, 93 straight regular season games with 20 plus points,

how impressive is that streak? Crazy. It's the greatest thing we've seen. Man. I'm pretty sure there's nobody alive that's talking sports, that actually seen do what Wilk did. So for most of the reporters,

this should be the greatest thing you've seen. Somebody hold 20 plus this long. So 93, 20 plus point games or 1,297, 10 plus point games? 20. Okay. We've seen what 10. We've seen what all you need to do to get 10.

Like, 10 ain't dominant. 20 is considered dominating. right 10 ain't that it that ain't dapperated had a cool 10 huh Jordan didn't do that 90 90 something nah 93 straight right that's what I'm saying you're talking about 90 something games of 20 plus yeah that's I mean we we've got crazy we wasn't watching basketball and we'll play most of the shit will did we didn't even see he shouldn't even be up there they could have been cap it they just changed the box for it was 18 I got doing you play that's it must have They just changed in the add a little free throw like we didn't usually.

All right, but let's get to a very important conversation. We got Gerald McCourt here. What year did he do that, Wilk, the first one? Let me see. I mean, when did he started from the day he came into the lead? Yeah, I think he had like 340 point games. I'm trying to see who's alive to witness that? I'm just saying, like, so if they're not talking about this as this is the greatest

October 19th, 1961 to January 19th, 1963. So basically, nobody that's in sports, that's, that's, there's nobody who's, who should be alive, right? Yeah, there's a few. There's a few. He was born there. He, you had to be talking sports. I got to be born. So that means for you to be talking sports, you had to be about 20, 25.

There's one. Right? Skip was born in 19. 50. It was 50. My 12. 20, 22. No what I'm saying.

It was on Fox Sports, man. Outside. With the radio. Is my map off a little bit? 37, 662 years ago. They would be in their 80s. They would be in their late 80s. When?

If they were around to see that while they were over age, to be a sports journalist at that. No, for journalists, they would have had to be at least 20, 25. At least 20. That's what I'm saying. They'd be in their late 80s, if I'm not. My math is not all. They have been 80s. It's two, hundred and...

Joe Lewis, 173 years old. 39-654, yeah, they'd be in their mid to late 80s right now, if they were alive to cover. Yeah. So, yeah, so... Yeah. They're working for Jet Magazine. So, 83, yeah.

You've seen it. We got an important talk to, Shai, you sent this in the group chat. We got Jerome McCourt here. He sent this over in the group chat as well, said we needed to hit it on the show today. It had to been born in 840. 1940, right? Did it. So during a recent episode of their no-fowls-given show, Paul Pierce and Danny Green had this to say about how SGA's bag compares to some of the all-time great.

I think they had the capability, but they didn't have to counter because Mike was one-two dribble pull-ups, you know, you're not stopping him to get to a spot and he's athletic and just jump and shoot over you. Y'all agree with the people that say Mike had an limited bag. Mike had limited bag, I don't agree. I just don't think he had to use his bag. You guys are crazy. He didn't need to do all that family. He just wanted to, he was right to the business. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, Shea got more of a bag, though. Like, what Shea, like, what She usually gets to his, you know, he can get to his spot. But Mike's footwork was so impeccable. Colby's footwork, I think, was better. I think, I think, I think, I think Kobe had better footwork than Mike? I think, I think so. Oh, no, I don't think so. I don't think so.

I have watched, I don't like, in advance. Like, Kobe had to. He had to play against better. You know what I'm saying? Like, Mike didn't have to do it much of, pivot, stop, pivot, left hand off the backboard Don't know the Mike played against mechanics thing right now. I'm not saying Kobe's a better player. I'm just saying footwork-wise, I think Kobe had to evolve his footwork

because he's playing against better town. Mike had limited bag, dog. Did Paul Pierce have a bag? Because to me, like, what is this guy's game besides a bag? I think they had the capability. So many moves to get by guys. Mike had a bag. He didn't have to use it.

Cove had a bag. He used it a little more than Mike. I think he was capable of using different moves. He didn't have to. Like, bigger guards, use a bump. They know how to get to their spots. Make a couple moves. All right, first off, shout out of Paul Pierce, Danny Green, Big Walsh, no fouls giving a podcast.

So I see your face during that video. So let's start first things first. Paul Pierce and Danny Green spitting her trip and saying SGA has a deeper bag than MJ. That's the first thing we'll discuss. Hmm. I agree. I don't mean these roads. Ask the question.

Are you spitting her tripping and saying the SGA has a deeper bag to MJ? Mm-hmm. Mm-mm-mm. For sure, we're spitting. The truth? They're telling the truth. I think a lot of everybody now got a deeper bag.

Can we elaborate or we just? I would hope so. I'm just merely here to hustle, a conduit. He said limited. So yeah. He didn't say MJ had a limited bag. Limited bag. Yeah, but the question,

that ain't the question we ask. I know. I'm just saying from what he said is limited bag. I'm going to say he's there's spitting because Shea is not athletic. He has to. I'm saying? He has to have all that shit.

So they're right because Mike had that one gift. Jump the fuck over you. Big hands as well. So listen, I'm saying, so it's that, right? So yeah, so Shay has to have that. So I'm gonna say they spit in that regard. If you would like to elaborate, Kay, yeah, the time is now.

I'm saying in that regard, but we ain't talking over. ain't talking overall because he has to be able to do all that to manipulate to get his move off so now this yeah I would say I agree that he has a he has a deeper bag one yes yes if the less athleticism you have the more things you need to add to do the same thing as someone who's very athletic, right? So he has to have the up and unders and stuff like this. But MJ's bag came in a whole different form, right?

And when we talk about bags, we only think dribbling moves. Who has the best dribbling moves, right? That's how we consider a bag. Now, if you look at Jordan's bag to score, it was very elite because you're talking about back the basket up and under foot fade swing aerial stuff that's a bag your aerial movement is a bag your 360 moving all this is considered a bag so his bag wasn't groundwork bag his bag was when he was getting ready to shoot it was aerial so it's a very different bag so it's really kind of hard to compare right if because if you use all of the game

together is very different. One has the dribbling, all these little heady in these spins. The other one has all this shit right here. The fake, like that's a very different bag, but nobody ever considered the fact that he was motherfucking spinning that bitch and

like that, like get that bitch on the rim like, get the glass you know what I mean? That's like, yeah. So it's hard to, it's hard because they're in two different categories. Hmm, huh? But. Speaking around back in. She has a shit was hard then.

So his bag is... Jelly Rose. So Jordan Bagg was very, very elite if you're looking at what his bag actually was. But... You know how to lay up. A shot, a cemetery lyrics to you at a deep ponder right now. You're looking at me like, weird.

I think trying to find the words to say to probably articulate. No, no. You got the book of Eli. Because Stranger Things just came out. I got it on here they go. Stranger Things is good. And I've heard stranger things before.

Yeah, me too. Three guys agree that SGA has a deeper bag than Michael Jordan. But then also say that all of the whoopty-whoop shit is the actual part of the bag. Do you agree that the whoop-de-whoop shit is actually part of the bag? And that means that, like, he blows him out the water. If that, literally, you're talking about 88 MJ, 87 MJ, 89, MJ, it's not just athleticism, MJ.

This is, come fly with me. I just don't think everybody really, really followed the game of basketball the way we say. I just don't think that. I think that when you watch it and you see shit, you be like, yo, what bat? We don't call it a bag. We call it a book.

Because you go to the book, you turn the page. Page one. Two dribble pull-up. Page two. Two dribble pull-up, pump fag. So on and so forth. Until you get to the reverse pivot and then off the glass from the middle of the floor. That's a different type of bag work.

He didn't get that. Right? But just tell me, what have you seen Shade do that we haven't seen before? Oh, so I guess I basically said what you was going to say before. You said it. There wasn't the question. I'm asking, I just asked the questions. What have we seen Shade do that we haven't seen before?

I don't know. The question was just bag. I don't think. We don't, we know who's better. So he got his bag from somewhere. Cool. Evolution. Evolution. Evolution. Evolution. Evolution gave the bag. Bon Alexander. Where do we see the evolution start? From 1940. Or whenever the game started.

From a Canadian by the name of Dr. James, laid the foundation. Then it got to the hood and we put our wiggle on it. They wasn't saying, I want to be, I want to be like. But you just said something a minute ago, right? Just saying, man. So you said, but you're up until you brought a, come fly with me right was come fly with me based on footwork bag work but what was the the athleticism part of it right I thought we just said y'all just said the

whoop-de-whoop is a part of the fucking bag way I know why would that even come in as conjunction of what I'm saying because that's a part of the bag so she has nowhere near none of the whoop-ty-whoop when I said nowhere near that's why he has to do what he do The whoop-ty-whoop is crazy. When you go to the Michael Jordan Highlights and look at his whoop-ty-whoop. Shea has nowhere near that. Then y'all telling me he has to have shit. He does.

Which is basic. He has to. His basic bag, basic. He has a Chapter 2 bag. Who's Shay? Shay. Chapter 2. Nah, I can't do that.

We can go 1, 2, 3, 4 exactly know what you're going to do. Chapter 2. No way. That Chapter 2 bag is only. because you don't have the athleticism to get to chapter 10. So I have a question. You need all of it

to get to chapter 10? I have a question. You don't even have the whoopty wound. In my eyes, in my eyes, I don't, whoopty, dude. I might be grown. But which chapter is the who are you? What are you talking?

Michael Jordan, Jeffrey? Mr. Jeffrey? Yes. My favorite basketball player of all time. Shay? And we all said it together in unity. No, but listen, in my eyes, Barbie, comparing.

to ain't I think No, no, no, I think I'm shooting guard I was saying combo. I think I took his point and said it first

and said She has this dribbling bag so it looks like it then I gave you Michael Jordan's actual bag because it's in a different form so you have to

calculate this different bag like Yokic has a bag is not in what we think bags look like but his bag is a bag magic Johnson bag bag was a passing

bag. He was an elite pastor. Pistol Pistopeen bag was very elite. He was a passing bag. Is the M.J. faded away the part of the bag? Yes. We don't need to argue because we can go semi-simi yawmi-a-simi. They all shame, though. Now, boom, that's not just one way either. That means you want to come this side, too? What I'm saying is, you want to come this side? But guess what we're going to do? Rashad, you're trying to confuse everybody to pretend you're going to do. No, no, no, I want everybody to follow along. It's a book. It's not this like.

You know, you brought the books after. You already had the topic in that. The original Bible. The original. You got to put your hand. Y'all put your hand on the Bible and said. Oh, he does. He got a deeper,

does he have a deeper bag. Everybody in the NBA now. That's a deep bag. He has a deeper bag than everybody in the 90s. No. No. The what? The hesitation.

I said no. Blaspermy. I said no. Blastomemy. I said, I said no, as soon as you ask. Immediately. It's like a parent. Isail Thomas.

Because they have the same bag. To me, it's like a point guard. SGA and Carrey, you got the same bag? It's the same thing. It's ball handled. It's ball handling on the floor. So if the bag, what we're talking about has an enormous amount of different elements to it. You're talking about one aspect is better than Michael Jordan's fade away.

I added that. Air up there. All of that. He does that, though. So that's more than one thing. Yes. No. So one thing is better than more than them.

Now me compare and hand. to athleticism because shake and dude we're talking about all of it though not just one but all the he can't do it the way he does it and he can't do it the way say yes he can we can't that's an off day for mike and people all they see is the between the legs when they talk about dribble that's Mike off six beers bro Mike off six beers is SGA bro when you talk about triple guards all you see is Mike was doing this that's all you watch that's all people think That's what I see. No, that's what I see.

He didn't have my hand to him, bro. He didn't have my hand. He didn't have my hand. But that's why I said, but that's why I said, if you, if you're just talking bag, how we talk bag, we only talk back when it comes to dribbling and moves. But if you take MJ's bag and say, this is MJ's actual bag, not the dribbling. The rules was confined there. They couldn't even do Euro steps without being called to travel. They couldn't carry the ball.

He didn't have a crossover. He didn't have none of that. His bag was this. Michael Jordan didn't have a crossover? What was this crossover, man? Anybody? Right to left. It didn't look like the Alan Arvison crossover, but it was a cross over.

Didn't look like a Grand Hill cross over. Didn't look like the Grand Hill crossover. It looked like Magic Johnson's crossover. It looked like a crossover. It looked like you got it for free. Yeah. Okay, for free. But I'm Michael Jordan.

Yeah. It costs to be the... Like, I know you would. Like, did you... Did we all agree... Like, who's side of you? What side are you on? I'm trying to...

I'm cap. I'm caught cap on all y'all. I... You can't call cap on me. Cap! Because I'm the one that gives you the argument to use his bag. We're talking about the question.

The question is... Cap or what? No, he's spinning or tripping. Does SJ have a deeper bag back to MPA's before the question? Tripping all over shit. Cool. I'm saying...

Tripping. tripping all over. You're talking about who, man? I don't know. We're talking about cartoons. We didn't talk about fucking cartoons. I'm talking about fucking cartoons. Michael Jordan?

I gave him the element to argue against me. He's arguing against me and gets my own point. Michael Jordan. Can I ask you a question, shout out? I gave him the whole regiment of the aerial stuff. He argued that. Thank you. I take another dub.

I take all the dubs I want, dub C. Man. Another dove. I don't think I ever seen Mike. I don't think I ever seen Mike. do an in-and-out cross double step-back move. I don't think about that. I don't think I've seen him do that.

He did that in and out. He did that in and out. Is that what I said? Is that what I said? And then dunk on a nigger with the left hand. Is that what I said? Is that what I said? Drop you.

That ain't what I said. That ain't need to do that step back because he could actually jump over a nigg. Saw him do an in and out. That's what I did say. That's what we said. What? He just said.

Isn't that what I heard. They're going to step back and shoot a jumper. What is it makes it more difficult? No, it means you're limiting. That means you're limited. No, you're limited jumping. I can get to the rim. They took away through the rim.

They took away to the rim. I can't get to the rim. Why are you stepping back? Why are you stepping back? Why are you stepping back? Because I can't go by you. Because you can't go by me. That sounds pretty limited to fucking me.

Hey, why did you park over there? Because I want to shoot a three. Somebody in that space. I want to shoot a three. That's why I step back. What was that analogy? You ain't got it. Where you pull that one from?

DIP. It's reserved for air up there. It's reserved. You can't park here. When you ask questions that has to do with stuff like this, there has to be a, you have to say, what is considered a bag? You guys, that's what was my next question.

What do you consider a bag deal right here in the rundah? And that's why I evolved what a bag is. It was right there. It was right there. Like Vince Carter bag is Ariel. He has an aerial bag. So you consider Ariel be a part of the bag. I think for a bag we talk about the deal.

Of course. But that's why I said... Do you branch it out now to make it an even bigger bag? Yeah, no, because when we talk about back, we want to talk about floor. We never talk about anything else. That's why I said Michael Jordan's bag is this is his actual bag. Vince Carter would be in that bag, too. This is his bag of movement, period.

you. So if you're going to say bags versus bag, you've got to use this bag for them, then compare. You just can't say floor, Shia, it'll She does this, this, this, this. Michael Jordan don't do that. Because that's not Michael Jordan's bag. But do you consider that? Like magic. A better bag. Like magic bag. Like if I put a Shea bag

up. We don't know. Magic bag was passing. Pistol Pete bag was passing. With the Cyber Monday sale. Like it's 30% off. The shit Pistol Pete did then, niggas don't do that now. If you think of what I'm saying, there was no reference for the passes he made. His passing bag was

it was out of this world because today we're not doing some of the passes he made back then. So you have to use other people's bags. So when you say who has bags, so when we're saying whose bag is like that, you got to add in what everybody bag was.

Floor generals, Ariel, passing, Duncan, blocking. With the question, you go to a store. Rebound in. We put a bunch of bags on the shelf. So to put it in... Which bag is the deepest? Mostly, it has to do with how you're going to be able to put the ball in the bag.

Which bag am I going to get? But does it do you have to put the ball in the basket? Well, assists lead to putting the ball in the basket. If your bag is passing, then you lead to assist, right? If you're a bag, most of the time, it has direct correlation with if the ball is going in the basket or not. Whether it's your individual or you're helping teammates out. That's just what it is. Because you're looking at a guy like...

Like Jason Williams, white chocolate, him, certain guys that Steve Francis, like those guys, you knew what it was. Like, yeah, got a bag. Yeah, absolutely. If you can't jump over somebody, don't you gotta use more stuff to score? You jump over somebody, right? If you can't jump over somebody, do I gotta come up with other ways to score? Let's just say if you do.

And then there are two other defenders jumping at you too. As I'm jumping over him, I got two other guys trying to block my shot. And I got to go here, here, here, here, and here. And flip that bitch off the top of the backboard. But this guy got the guy in front of him and the two other people. All he doing is what? Pushing off, stepping back, taking a jumper. That's the bag.

Deeper than Michael Jordan. Don't, hey, don't for dog food. Doper dog food. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Does bag equal, is the same equal? equal to creativity? Yeah.

It's the same thing, right? Being, having a bag is the same thing as being creative. Yes. So whether it's creative on the ground or creative in the area, you are making decisions in real time to be able to put that ball in the basket. It's the same thing. Concept.

It's equal. You just, one is doing it, it's the same thing. One y'all says, one y'all says, is deeper and better bag than Michael George. That's why. the conversation. How about this? How about this?

You got your opinion we got out. Wait, wait, no. So whatever your point is, ain't going to change my fucking opinion. No, no, no, no. What you want to do. Here we're going on this. Let's remove my comment. And we're just going to say floor bag like everyone says.

Why? No, because that's why you're arguing. No one's not. I gave you the argument. We're talking about bad. Let's take away. I call it a book. Y'all call it a bag.

Okay. So look, create, go back. But that's what I said. If you watch. Watch the comment they made, he actually said, bags are considered counter moves. Mm-hmm. Moves when you can stop this, stop this,

and I still got this, to that, to that, to that. And that's big, levels. Yeah. So let's take away. So let's take away the- pages in the book. Let's take away the area. Got this, got this, got this.

Hold on, so let's take away the aerial. Let's take away the area. Because I gave it to you. That's called moving the goalpost. No, I take this away, so I'm going on. I'm smarter. But do not. This is the gold post.

We know. You do it all the time. You do it all the time. So I'm putting it back. Now, since there's no goalposts to say Michael Jordan's bag, is Ariel and he lead off the movement, and we're keeping it ground level. The poll is here.

Now go. Who's keeping it ground level? That's never what it was about. That's what you interpreted it as. No. Yeah. Because he never said groundwork bag. He never said ball handling bag.

That's what you interpret. I don't interpret a bag being ball handling. It's footwork. It's everything. It's everything you got. Time out. Everything you got. Hold on.

It's the book. Hold on. Hold on. You ever read the book of Eli? So you bring these props in here because you already have your, you already have your topic. Right? So I didn't think their bag talk was just groundwork. If I gave you Michael Jordan's bag.

of area. Did you not hear me say it? Because I went before you. I said aerial movement. His bag is different. So you are coming at me like I'm basic thinking. You really think. When I moved the goalposts and said this whole aerial of a bag.

You really think that that is weird. You saying aerial. But he had his book. I don't know nothing about basketball. You think I don't know nothing about Michael Jordan doing aerial movements is a part of his fucking repertoire. What did Rodney King say? What did Rodney King say?

Can we all just get alone? Can we all just get alone? The White King say, I'm pretty sure that had to be part of it. He just wanted to get alone, man. Can we all just get alone shit? It's three on one. Why he was getting hit?

It's three on one and y'all don't make no sense. No, there was no three on one. I was neutral. Y'all all said he was spitting. And I was. Fitting. Who? All three of y'all.

Who was three against one? You want me to change my opinion? Three. You want me to change my opinion? Wait, hold on the couch and said they spit. All right. STA's bag is deeper than Mike Moore. I said if we're talking of tricking, hold on.

I said if we're talking about, hold on no, no, I said if we're talking about one, I said if we're talking about one, I said that makes you a winner. I'm being a winner. I said if we're talking about ground work. The conversation since you started. Hey, man, this man is tombstone. I said if we're talking about groundwork, then shame. But, and then I said, and then I said. said but and then gave you Michael Jordan's bag.

But I think because you was already into your little book right there that you didn't even hear the concept of what I said. Because the book is the truth. But I said the truth. It ain't nothing you say it was in the book. But you... Yeah, he's cooking over there. He's cooking.

Y'all hear it? Jesus Christ. I heard that. He's not posing rebuttal like this. This is insane. So you want me to change my opinion? No. Because I'm not. I want you Look, when he got, listen, because it's obvious. When it's in the chat, is it obvious? When it's in the chat,

when we're at, you're arguing with that. Put it in the chat. I'm going to, let the chat figure out. I'm going to do. When he bring his prop already know he's trying to argue with someone.

You can't argue. So don't even say nothing. When he, when he touched the prop, oh, we know who that's, shut the fuck up. Oh, we know who that someone is. He's at a home for the day. Dope always win.

Take the fucking hell for the day. When I come in here with some shit, y'all already know I did my research. Hey, dope, I'm already going to win. I just finished that nigga grab his book of shed. Michael Jordan, back.

Praise the Lord. He was Ariel. Hallelujah. All this, y'all didn't see. All of them do all this. Oh, stop. He made them look better. You make it more.

You said it first. You all this. You make them look better. I know you said. Nick, tell him, Nick. You're making them look better. This is what he do. He got like good sublimbles for.

He's just good. Before we move on, we ask the chat. Is it obvious? You never said I was good. It'll be a lot. people like me. No, he just, they'd be like, man, I like time. Because they say he good.

No matter while, niggas. He's a dead loom. He said I was. He took his point, my point, your point. That's what it is. They're cooking these niggins. He's done. He still win.

So we asked the chat, is it obvious? Over 1,000 votes in county right now. 77% of the chat says yes. 70 who? 77%. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. We got other things to discuss here on Gills Arena presented by $100.

Woo-woo. Three on one, 77% on three on one. What the fuck are we doing out here? Throw him the ball, triple team. It said, did shot take our points? Is it obvious? And it's 77. Yeah.

That was in parentheses. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He gets triple team. Throwing the ball is MJ. Uh-oh.

Guess what he gonna do with it? Nothing. Use his bag. Not an 88. He's going to use his bag. Not an 88. He's going to use his bag. Not an 80-sout and three niggas on them.

Two, my kids today. That's three years old. And one. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Your kids do not do that. Stop. This, you went too far. You went too far.

You got a jacket with a collar. No, bro. You went too far. You don't know. I don't talk to people with you. Your son, 16. Can he catch them all yet? With a jacket collar.

I was with you. I was with you. I was with you. You said your son. That's going to McCant's side. Take it all your shit, McCant. You're right, baby. Toonstones in the motherfucking chat.

Dooms songs in the chat. My kids are in this. To not surprise, there are currently tombstones in the chat. You know they had to take his kids to the hospital. Stop. Don't do. Stop. No. He couldn't go to sleep.

Stop. That's person. Why are we doing? No. Why are we doing? You told me. You said, yeah, had to take Nick Jim to the hospital. I said, what happened?

They said, yeah. He woke up and said, Daddy, I need some. a drink. Did you get a niggas something to drink? Nah, see, that's why you lose. That's why you lose. That's why you lose. He said, he was thirsty.

He should have over the nigger mouth, though it would have been. You see like the video guys. Just open and just... Let's move on to another topic that is shorted to divide the couch. Oh, I got the white man collar. Got to talk about one of the biggest games of the evening. That's the white man tennis collar. The tennis call her right here, Joe.

I just want to hug. Oh, the polo. I'm just here to hold. Ready, just one up, one down. No next. Got to talk about an unfortunate situation that went down last night. So lectures were on the second night of a back-to-back Monday against the Suns

in the midst of a seven-game winning streak. They played yesterday, Joe? Allegedly. With Luca and Austin Reeves becoming just a fourth pair of teammates in the last 50 years, the each scored 30-plus points in three straight games. It was a beautiful seven-game streak streak. Nonetheless, Luca is also the first player in franchise history

with 35 and 5 and 6 straight games in the same regular season but the sons were looking to bounce back after losing three of their last four games despite being without their number one option for most of this one Dylan the Vinland reignited his long-standing beef with the king to propel Phoenix to the win let's take a look at some of the highlights since we are forced to do so so Luca pays the Lakers early 20 points in the first quarter finished with 38 along with 11 rebounds

5 assists but Luca also had season high 9 turnovers in the game this one was back and forth from the jump very very very very exquisite first quarter of high level NBA basketball

Luca doing things like that with the 20 piece but Devin Pooker scored 11 points in his 10 minutes of action before heading to the locker room late in the first quarter Booker will return in street clothes with a right groin injury looked a little

tough for the Sons at that point but Dylan Brooks and Colin Gillespie held it down for Phoenix that was we watched that on play but that was hard to watch LeBron

his hair line or the chase down blocks not being able to get there a couple of times of Billing books clowning him so game was tied after the first frame

but then things went off the rails with the sons out scoring the Lakers 35, 21 in the second quarter with plays like this Brooks continued his scorching start

to the 6th season finished with 33 points on 15 of 26 shooting, putting on for light-skinned Canadians, both near and far, while Colin Gillespie put up a career high 28 points. Hey! Going 8 for 14 from deep, including 16 points in the fourth first. His foot hurt! He said his foot hurt! He said he woke up in his foot hurt.

Because he owed. What's the name? Brooks. Tough night for leggers. Awesome Reeves had 16 on six. 16 on 6 or 12 shooting. DeAndre Hayden added 12 and 9 boards. What are you looking for?

Offensive? In a very, very positive to this game, LeBron kept his double-digit scoring streak alive by knocking down his only three midway through the fourth quarter to get to 10 points. Lakers gave up 32 points off their 22 turnovers. Sons outscored them 28 to 2 in fast break points. The loss moves the Lakers with 15 and 5 on the season. Good enough for second in the Western Conference still.

Meanwhile, the Suns got a much need to win to improve the 3rd. 13 to 9 to remain in the seventh spot. No, we all watch the game. We're your biggest takeaways from the sun snapping the Lakers seven-game winning streak. Don't lie to them people say we all watch the game, Josiah. Don't do that shit. You didn't watch?

No, don't lie to these people that way. Don't lie. Don't do that. We all watched. No. Who did not? Me. Okay.

No, I ain't turning on. Hey, what were you doing? Not watching them. Not watching. Motherfuck. Came over to... Fuck that football. Good.

Fuck that football game. I was like, you ain't watching the leg a game. I said, why the fuck would I do that? like better to do watch a black screen or black entertainment television

yeah exactly I didn't watch it but I know the fact that one dude of y'all what 21 turnovers three people had like 17 of

Luca had nine Austin had nine Austin had five LeBron had three. Yeah. I hadn't watched the game, but I knew that shit. That tells me that either they were just throwing that bitch in the stands or Phoenix was playing defense on y'all three best people and making them do something with the

ball they weren't comfortable with doing. And the fact that JJ played damn their everybody on the roster tells me y'all was getting fucking smacked I don't have to watch the game to know that shit okay second night of the back-to-back a cyber Monday a lot of people on the Lakers getting deep discounts I did yeah yeah in preparation for the holiday season so where did word did the so did the bus family get a discount some of the bus family no longer a part of that franchise no who still is did the shit did they get a discount because they mean they didn't show up to work so should have should have

got a discount on the game right? On the game pay? Me too. I watched that shit for sure. Man, I watched it a little bit. No refunds, no returns. I watched that shit for sure. You're watching, probably smiling, I would imagine. Not the whole game. But portions?

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was good basketball. He'll be like, miss it. It was good. It was good. He over like, miss it. I was trying to figure out what adjustments the Lakers was going to make to get back into the game.

Waiting for those adjustments, waiting for LeBron to wake up. Then I seen what the Finan Sons were doing, loading up, every single chance they got. Getting the ball out of Lucas' hands early, every chance they got. Forcing other guys to take shots, long rebounds, outlets, Lakers don't get back on defense. They rarely replay defense like that anyway. You can see Dillon Brooks taking advantage of defenders that don't want to play defense, and he's taking it personal. And if the NBA had more players like him, it just goes out there and take it personal based on, you know, knowing that you got a guy who's looking down on everybody, bow down type shit, and you want to prove yourself in the league, it's excited to see.

I didn't expect it to go the way it went, to be honest. I was expecting the Lakers to have a blowout win. But seeing that the Phoenix Suns are a team that's sustaining without Jalen Green. without guys that could make them a little bit better it was dope they had a bunch of role players that showed up and it didn't look like the like they didn't play but 10 minutes right yeah i mean even that he and dylan brooks stepped up yeah yeah yeah played the thunder tough obviously on friday final game of NBA cup devon booker though did exit this game just have a question then i'll let i let y'all go so with brown right you say this the second night of a back-to-back

Second night, LeBron did not play in the first night of back-to-back. Oh, injury management. That gave me my point. That's why I watched. I'm like, oh, they're supposed to blow him out because he's supposed to show up. I did see that he was out. They're talking about it was sore foot or something. He woke up Monday morning.

His foot was sore or something. I dig it. Attributing it to old age. Yeah, I dig it. Call it gout. Call that shit gout. I got the gout. Got the gout.

My shit swollen. Because the gout, there's a lot of, once you get older, there's a lot of shit that starts popping up. Man. Let's shift over to this side. Man, for me, I was going back and forth watching all her fault and the Laker Games. The glimpses I did catch, you know. You could have just put it the side-by-side. Yeah, I couldn't news.

She was very entertaining. It's a good-ass show, man. But what I've seen, Phoenix, Dylan Brooks makes a big difference. You know, they are, you know, this ain't the only team they stopped. You know, they did this to the Spurs, they, something else. You could tell he had an effect on the team. And for Brian, being old, one thing you hate is when guys get up in you, you know. Oh, God.

They get all in you. When they get all. Old or young, I'm sure a lot of his hate. No, no, no. You love it when you're younger. You love when God's going to fight back then. You can fight back then. You know what? When you get older, you just have to take.

Yeah, it's harder, you know what? That's a violation. That's a violation. That's a violation. That's a technical. You love it with. That's a goddamn technical file. It's a goddamn technical.

You're going to put me in the book? Shit, I'm about to, goddamn. The Lord told me not to. He don't deserve me in a book. The Lord. No, but when you, though, when you, When you're older, when guys take your space from you, that's like the worst thing. You need that freedom, the shoe, open looks, fast break layups.

You ain't going to get too many times where you're going to really be taking people off the dribble because, oh man, nobody is. He ain't as fast. He ain't that fast. You can't do the moves you used to do. So I think Brooks took advantage of that. And he had some improvement. You know, every time he played against him.

against the Lakers and Brown is something. Other guys need to step up. Phoenix is just, I ain't go out of that good defense of mind a team when they want to. I don't see it all the time, but when they play in like a challenge when it's a big name or something, they do all the right things, bro.

They play good basketball. When it calls for it. Yeah, for real. They can play defense like that. 16 steals in the win. Like I said, force 22 turnover, scored 32 points off of those 22 friends.

That's being in the gap. That's being in the stopper, being where you're supposed to be. And you're saying, nine turnovers. They wasn't afraid of that, the white Jesus. Slovenian Jesus, slim Slovenian Jesus now, with the Olympic neck. But Gil, looking at this Lakers' son's game, we had to watch all play about. You stepped away for a large portion of time, returned after Bronn, hit 10 points to get his

double digit streak, continued into 1297 games. Were your biggest takeaways from watching Lakers in the head? Biggest takeaway is Dillon Brooks, whoever your trainer is in the summer. Good job, man. It really shows that he's been working on his offensive game because this was not the same Dylan Brooks that was in Memphis, right? You're talking about a guy.

I remember he had the booty shorts on the last time he came. He did that booty shorts. Remember, they was filming him shooting. He couldn't make nothing, right? And watching him now, I think he got a lot of confidence in Houston with shooting shots. and he's carried over. So the fact that it's only taken about two years

for his offensive game to really show. He's averaging about 22 now. 22.3 points per game. He's averaging 22 in the NBA, right? Like, that's not, like, he's a defender. He was labeled as a defender. Now he's jumped into a two-way player. Mm-hmm.

Right? And that is very rare. So I wouldn't give the hat-house. Like, I was watching like, ah, damn it. And he's pulling out shit that I'm like he's like really into like bring it over here doing spin so I really want to give him his credit for for really going into the summer practicing and and really being confident and shooting it. Now the Lakerside I'm sorry but I'm looking at LeBron James. Don't say it kid. He's looking

I think yesterday was a proven point for him and show this offense we're doing this pick and roll and I get here and sit back and shoot these 54 threes when they're not going in and we're turning the ball over we're getting blown out where is our easy baskets like if you look at the Laker offense

there's no movement we know where everybody's going to be we're going to do it we're going to hit we're going to sit here and do that I mean it's going to be to the point where it just seems like everyone isn't as educated to the game of basketball as you would think. Because if we're, if they're on a 10-0 run, the one thing you don't want,

the two things you don't wanna do is take a horrible ass step back three or a fast break three or turn the fucking ball over trying to do something stupid. Like that is the continuing thing. Three people don't shot threes. You get the ball, now you wanna go 20, 20, tween, twine, twine, two, to that same three. Like, no, dog, get the easy bucket.

Get the easy two. Pick and roll, throw the bitch in. Let's stop the momentum. And it's like, you are guaranteed that Austin Reeves will shoot a bad shot when we need an easy shot. And he is such a great, horrible shot maker. And it's hard to say, hey, man, those are bad shots because he makes those. They look for it.

You know what I mean? You ain't heard this since we said that to you, huh? A great horrible shot. Like, they take horrible shots, but they make them so it's, you don't want to say nothing to him because you don't want to not confidence, but he's so, it's like, it's controlled erratic behavior. But it's like, some of the shit you're doing when we need a easy bucket. You sit here doing all this, and then you shoot it through.

You're like, no, okay, hi, cool. Like, it's that type of basketball right now, and it's like, it's good because we're in second, third place, in the NBA, second in the West. But it can go real south. It can, we can get our ass with like this every night, the sound we play. If those shots don't go in. If the shots don't go in. Don't that scary, you know, like when Luca get pressed like that, bad thing has been happening for us. Even the OPC, even in the champions, like, those games, when people pick him up.

Yep, yep. He gets mentally. He gets, and the one thing, the one bad behavior that we have that we need to stop, just NBA, period. Our team the most, two players, Luca, Austin. If they think they got filed, they stop. They do this shit and stop. And stop.

That's number one. If you do that, that drive the coach crazy. The fast break every single time. Get back on defense. I'm just going to tell you from the history of basketball every time he did it he did it

I did it he did the niggas before was did it the nigga before them did it there's never been I got foul they go the other way I do this hey and they say you know what hold off bring that shit back

change the call he got foul no they've never done it in the history of it if you don't hear the whistle keep it moving just got to get back Do the Chris Paul. Just foul and stop it. Stop the ball. And then complain.

And then complain. No, but yeah, like the fact that you do that a lot, you do it too much. Almost every other play. I was going to actually see and try to calculate how many times Luca comes down, gets foul, doesn't get the foul, but complains to the fucking rep. But then he'll go down and foul somebody. He'll call it and he'll do the same shit. He'll complain about the foul. he just got called on and it's like bro it affects the team it's deflating if you see your teammate

supposed to pass the ball turn it over look at the ref like he fouled me give up a layup we come back you get fouled look at the ref again damn that's a foul like every time you gonna do this shit bro right his teammate right there with him organ yeah that was how many how many points did they have over seals that's crazy bro that's the thing that's 32 points off of that's what happened in the team but that's it's 32 points it's 32 points Like, if you count the 32 points, I guarantee it was one of these. That's insane. That's five.

That's a lot of show in the highlights. Yeah, at least three in the highlights. Yeah, at least three in the highlight. Sometimes 16 steals in the game. Lakers only had one still in the game. Can you like that? Those are unforced turnovers. These are unforced turnovers.

These are, you're supposed to throw it to the roller guy, but you're getting doubled in there's a little pressure and you just throw it away instead of swinging it. So that's, to the point I'm about to ask and make, right? Is this sustainable the way they play? No. For long term? No, because you got three ball stoppers. Yep.

Right? You got three. You got two. Bron is playing. I want to pass the ball. Yeah, too. Like he's playing. You don't want no pressure.

Not, no, like last night, last night should have been Braun scoring 30 something. Yes. Off a nice rest. Because he has a nice rest, but he played the background, and he's making the passes that they're not making. And it's like, wait, hold on. Nah, nah. you need to do something right now like there was times where I'm sitting there like hey oh hey

like I'm sorry there was there was a point where Gabe Vincent got it Braun right there and he pumped fake and then went the other way and there was no hey nigga you know who I am in fact it was like wait you go ahead do your thing like you yo I'm Braun over here like there was never none of that like do you feel like you're starting to get deliberate though in Brown's play style because we're seeing the lack of aggression

Only took 10 shots in this game. It was three for 10 from the field. I'm, I'm, what I'm looking at is, there is a style of basketball that is winning games, but Luke is comfortable with it. And it's feeding AR, right? And then there's LeBron's way of playing that is winning basketball.

And I think there's a standstill right here, of what style we're going to play. Are we going to play the pick and roll, mess with the guy, and we keep shooting these 50-footers? Where before I even got here as LeBron James, we were last in three-point percentage, right? For a reason, every three we take is mostly contested. We just got a gifted dude who can just shoot over everybody,

but for the most part, they're all contested threes. There's no easy threes. Because you know where those come from. right guys got to get in the gaps collapse the defense and you fucking moving the ball around they can't get by the only person that can get by somebody is Austin Reeves yeah only person that can get by somebody because there's quickness and athleticism in Austin Reeves Luca has to manipulate the play you got to get any gaps to make the defense you react to cause a problem and make them react none of that is going on to your point that's why they all

them all their shots are contested they don't got a gap offense yeah they don't so now what are you do when it's time for playoff basketball when you really now lebrun you hopefully still checked in by the end where you can throw the ball and make him create some files and different things like that but yeah you got to get in the gaps man if that's not going to happen they're going to keep taking contested threes step-back threes and other guys won't be in a rhythm but like you said if they're making shots they're making shots that's one thing but you know like i i feel we're going to get beat by there's going to be the way it looks sometimes there's going to be a 40 point 50 point loss. It happened already. Okay,

see, he didn't be lost? But what about 20 something? No, there's a down by 30. No, but there's a 40 point. Because just think about the shots that are being hit. We're sitting like, whoa, like, when you got to do that, then

you know the effort it took to make that shot, we're excited about. It's not just, okay, you come down, wide open three. Right. We're sitting there like, oh, woo, woo, when you have those bad shooting nights, both of YouTube, that shooting is wild. When y'all have bad shooting nights, we're blown the fuck out by our life.

And it's looked great the past few games of both them going over 30s points each, but obviously this is not, it's just a little bit different. 16. Lucas still had 38 in the game, though. O'Neill dumb ass down to the post. Rooy? No, LeBry. He got O'Neill garnered. He told him 16.

And he's sitting there. Yeah. Passing. Go, blah. We talked about LeBron. It's a easy one, bro. Brown appearing little standoffish. We've often talked about Dillon Brooks and LeBron's documented history of beef.

with Brooks embracing the villain role since his time with the Grizzies and taking pride in trying to poke the bear. The poking continued Monday with Brooks seizing the opportunity for some elder abuse. Let's take a look at some of the things that went down. Brooks was chirping at LeBron throughout the game, added fuel to the fire by mocking LeBron's shoulder shrug Sully after a dunk in the first half. You see the exaggerated shoulder struck Sally. And then with under a minute in the third quarter, LeBron was standing near the Sun's Ben's exchanging words as J.J. Reddick tried to get his attention repeatedly. Brian continued his exchange with Reddit calling a timeout and try to calm things down.

LeBron kept engaging with the Suns for a few more moments. Even after cameras cut to commercial break, see him say a few things to Dylan Brooks as well. Right before they hit that commercial. And like I said, this continued. Into the break, his teammates had to come over. Uh-uh. You see it. I don't know what it's all mean.

And after Bronte he came up with a defensive stop on Dylan Brooks, forcing him to travel with some elite garbage time defense. LeBron was spotted on the bench, giving a thumbs down, seemingly aimed at Dylan Brooks. After the game, Brooks had this to say about continuing to poke the bear that is LeBron J. I'm a competitor, man. I don't really like the smiling and the giggling and all that. So. He's got a tap. He's letting them know that.

You know, I'm here and I'm still rising. Was it just so he took offense to you talking to him or, I mean, because he kind of around. He likes people that, you know, to bow down. I don't bow down or that either entices him or aggravates when they're wrong. Entitizes him or aggravates him. I ain't seen change like that since the early 2000. The big initials. No, we ain't seen the big initials since early 2000.

What the fuck? Damn, did it? All he just needed is just the long one, put it back. Put it back to the navel. He's good. He's good. He's dope. Absolutely.

Put it back to that one. I took all of them, I had their job. I took all of them out of that motherfuckin put it in the watch. Oh, you did it? I was like, who the fuck is, why is it still in my jewelry drawer? Like, why? You had the KM? Yeah.

Big mom, fucking big son, bitch. It makes it hard to creep. It was a funny thing. Everybody has their distance, man. Like, they don't know their name. They don't know you. I got to let you know. From business, they're like, oh, Kenyon's coming.

K.M. Oh, that's Kenan your mom. Bashar, what do you think about Dylan Brooks, not bound down to LeBron? What do I think about it? His comments, he just made post-game. He's not with the laughing and giggling. He's still rising. I don't think true competitors are, man.

I think we're just out here to compete, man. Give a fuck who you are. What a fuck about what you've done? Do it now. Do it tonight. When I walk off this court, I'd give you the thumbs up. Way to play. Way to hoop.

Good bump. Next game. But I think that's what the league has become. It's become a place where if you're not praising, you hate in. And if you hate in, we don't want to talk to you because you ain't bowing down, you ain't kissing the ring, you ain't doing all that shit. It goes back to guys like Lance Stevenson,

guys who made a staple of just being hard-nosed guys, Steven Jackson, Ron Artes, you know, Tashon Princess, where it's just like, I'm here to compete. I ain't here to say nothing, do nothing, smile, nothing. I'm just here to hoop. And I think that Dylan is keeping that alive. I think a lot of other players should adapt that, especially when it comes to like talking shit

and doing it in the control, where you just got to show up and compete. Not trying to disrespect you. I'm just letting you know that shit ain't flying the night. You got to do something else, bro. And I'm coming at you. Full steam ahead. And you got to stop my shit.

So you got like Gil was saying, he now turned into a two-way player that can show up and talk shit and stop your ass at the same time. It's a different type of league. At that point, if other players adapted to what he's doing. I think it makes it exciting

when you see a player show up. up, rise to the occasion while talking shit to me. It makes it exciting, but LeBron put all on people to bed too, though, at the same time. There's one point Dylan Brooks was down there out the lead because of LeBron, what he did to him. He can't say that. And another thing I hate is when people come at people, and LeBron, 40 years old, man. Pick on somebody else, you know, all seen this, you finally got a victory over him.

You get it, man. I get it, man, but he's 40 now. Everybody that did this to LeBron on his way up to this point. You pick on who you in front of, bro. Get your ass on the bench if you don't want me talking about shit. Take on him. Pick on him. Pick on him somebody your age.

Talk shit to Luca out there. He was. You really just really picking on this man every game. He had 33 last night. 33? And a win. His past career, I don't know. Ali, he'll take it.

Yeah, so you're not. Oh, you're not. He got the right mentality, man. From 9 to 99, blind cripple of crazy, you can get it. Like, he's not deviating in his approach. And I fuck with it. You know what I'm saying? All the little extra shit that I can, but I get, that's him.

That's part of it. That's the LeBron's shoulder shrug thing, yeah, all that. I get it, but he comes to compete, right? Each and every spot he's been in, he's coming to compete. I guess the word was they tried to use him as a scapego, whatever, however, things went in Memphis. As we can see, he wasn't the problem. You need somebody like that that's going to compete, hold other guys accountable. His teammates seem to love him.

They feed off of what he brings. It brings a winning mentality or a winning attitude, and every locker room can use that. He's not going to deviate. He's proved that. Yeah, man, like I said, ultimately he's coming out to compete and it's personal, no matter who it is. And to Shah's point, if we had more people in our league that approached it that way, nightly,

it'll be a better product. That's why the NFL is a better product. That's why the NFL is a better product. because those guys take it personal because their jobs is on the line and they're going out to compete each and every snap. Each and every snap. Each and every snap is meaningful.

So if we took that each and every possession personal like Dylan Brooks does offensively and defensively, it's just not one side of the ball. He's both sides to the ball. It'll be a better product. If more guys took it that way.

I ain't saying it's 100% in the NFL, but that number is high. that guys take each and every possession personal. And, yeah, you're trying to get the best of me. And this man shit at that point, right? I'm not going back down to deviate as a man first and foremost. I got pride and I got to go look at myself in the mirror. So.

Well, where's the part last year? What you're talking about? When he was in Houston. He had it. Did he? That's what I'm saying. He don't deviate. He take his else.

He don't deviate. He don't deviate. Where's this interview from the last time? we heard about him in Memphis. So you're talking about... Two years in Houston when he LeBron played them. So like I said, you want to talk about... When LeBron had 25, 13, and 9 last year against him,

and he had five, he walked out of the meeting. He didn't want to call. That's the pride. That's the pride. He's talking about. I don't know what he did. LeBron has more points. So, so, again, LeBron has more points than everybody

in the history of playing fucking basketball. Yes. Last year. Listen, LeBron has more points than anybody in history to playing basketball. Mm-hmm. Yes. Cool. That does not mean that Dylan Brooks don't show up to compete, bro.

You're trying to take his stup better than nature away because you're talking about fucking points. I don't know about it. Hold on. Hold on. It's competition. It's competition. Wait, wait. Wait, wait.

So if he tried to stop somebody, that man bust his ass, who it happens. When we were going to go do this, he was gone. Cool. Now when he has the word. Now. When he out plays the word, now he's there to talk. I don't agree with the answer. Did you hear what I said when I was making my statement about the antics?

I was talking brittles. Did you hear my state when I said about the antics. I mean, everybody's in here. Yeah. Did you hear me when I said all the antics and all that shit, I can do it out. Did you hear me say that? I'm talking about competing.

Between the 90, 9450, nigga. I'm going to make you work for. I'm going to make you work for. Everybody compete. Everybody competes. Everybody competes. Did you, your most competitive games, did there some games

where you didn't have a deflection or a top but you went out to compete, right? Gerald, with a game where you didn't have a tap or a sack but your competitive drive was up to this muscle. They didn't let you get nothing that night. You went out that one of the niggins might have had

150 yards. Two touchdowns on you. But you went out that bitch to compete though, right? You can look in the mirror. I don't have no, I don't have no. I'm saying like you're praising him for so. He doesn't celebrate when he's winning.

But when he gets his asseses. I ain't talking about celebrating or not celebrating. Not celebrating. When you get so ass, when the ball comes up, you still compete. You still go out and play hard, get to every possession. Like Dillow Brooks, it just be happy. And what I've seen of Dillon Brooks, when the ball goes up. It don't matter.

Houston. Anywhere he had. Oregon, too. Oregon, too. He plays hard. He's going to compete. What does that mean? That's what the question was.

What does that mean? It's a skill set. Playing hard. LeBron. Everybody who guarded me was playing hard. Every, I was 29. I killed. Everybody who's playing.

Once again, it's about you. Everybody who's born in Luca plays hard. How much is Luca happen? We're talking about competition, bro. We're talking about competition. I don't know what- We're talking about competition. You didn't compete on the other side of the ball.

I'm confused on the- So you gave up. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. How many did you give up? Hold on. You didn't compete on both sides of the ball so you can't add this conversation with me.

So when you want to play one side of the ball? I don't want to talk to you. You got to compete. We talk about competition. I want to talk to you. So during place, defense, no offense. So you just praise. So what is the difference?

You just said it. Now. So the nigga average in 22 now. Is he office and defensive player or not? We're talking about the person that's playing right now. I hear you. So you didn't play both sides to the ball so you can't talk to me. So defense makes you a complete.

Wait, I don't talk. You can't talk about. We're talking about the total of the game. Then we can talk. You didn't play defense. So you can't talk to me about playing both sides to the ball. Office. That's a different conversation.

You don't know what we're talking about competing, bro. If you listen to my words instead of just. I hear you, I hear you talking. I said when the niggas compete on both sides to the ball. We didn't talk about Dylan Brooks on. Hold on. You won't. Competeen on both sides to the ball.

One of my statement was when I originally said the niggins competes on both sides of the ball. Every night, every time he plays. That's what the fuck I said. He steps on and he competes. Every time. That's what the fuck. We're not talking about everybody else. I ain't talking about Dylan.

Dylan Brooks. And I said if more niggas took that approach. It would be a better. When I said when more niggas took that approach, you balled your face up. So therefore, if more niggins took an approach on playing both sides of the ball, like Dylan Brooks, Anthony Edwards, most fucking other guys took that same approach, the league would be a lot much better, a much better product, nigga. Like, so you didn't play both sides to the ball, so you can't talk to me about that. Everybody in the NBA, be like Dylan Brooks.

So on that note, yeah, go on and compete. Good place for us to wrap up today. Make sure you stick around for an all-new episode of the Arena Grin-iron coming up next. They're going to talk about the Monday Night Game. Got a lot of other things to discuss. You want to talk about points, Gil. I can give two fucks about how many points the niggins score. I don't give a fuck how many points the niggas score, Gil.

I can give two fucks. If you go out and compete and you bust the nigger. I heard your point. But you want to talk. Here my point. He heard you. You've been talking for fucking 15 minutes. You've been talking for 15 minutes.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Final point, girls. You're saying. Let him say his point. He's a defensive player. I say he competes.

He competes on defense. You're fine with that. But if the offensive player that scores but plays no defense, you don't fuck with that. I don't care. They're both one-sided players. I don't know. I don't know. So if you listen to words.

I'm competing on the offense. So you listen to the words. Offensively. I respect to them both sides to the ball. If I scored 30 points a game against a defense player, and I'm competing offensively. Yeah. Where are you going?

I mean. One side of the ball. Hey, man. They do that in football too. Yeah. Yeah, one side of the ball. They do that. They do it.

One side of the ball. I remember when I average 34 against there. I was competing. And then offense. Three four game against them. I was competing. I don't know what kind of defense I play. But guess who?

If they was competing defensively, they didn't do a good job. Who you had a 30? Who did you have 30? Who did you have 30? Skip! I knew you. If I average 40 points a game. Against who?

Huh? If I was 40 points a game. Against who? Against who? If average 40 points a game, did they, was they competing defensively? And we won. They were trying. That's part.

Is that part competing, Gil? I don't know. I don't know. Trying part of competing. You can try. I don't know. Is it? I don't think so.

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