Gil's Arena - Skip's INSANE LeBron Take TORCHES Gil's Arena

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

James Harden COOKING The Pistons TEARS APART Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to James Harden putting the Cleveland Cavaliers on his back to win an electrifing Game 5 of their NBA Playoff Series against the Detroit Pistons and break down the controversial ending that put Cade Cunningham & The Pistons' backs against the wall for the 2nd time in these playoffs. They also break down Jalen Duren's struggles this postseason as one of the NBA's breakout stars was benched in cruchtime of the must win game and discuss what has gone wrong for the Pistons' Big Man before debating if this team has another comeback in them as they must win their next 2 games to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. Next, Skip Bayless faces the music on his scorching hot take that LeBron James is the 9th best NBA Player ever and sparks a debate on whether or not the King's time with the Los Angeles Lakers should be considered a success as he only found postseason success inside the NBA Bubble. They also debate if the King will receive a statue with the Los Angeles Lakers after spending the final years of his illustrious career with the franchise before discussing his next moves as he ponders taking a discount to stay in LA vs taking his talents elsewhere to chase one last championship. Finally, hey react to the NBA Draft Lottery as the Washington Wizards came away with the #1 overall pick and give their take on the Indiana Pacers losing out on their top 5 pick after winning just 19 games this season. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Brandon Jennings, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Every business is asking the same question: how do we make AI work for us? The possibilities are endless, and guessing is too risky. Check out https://NetSuite.com/GIL SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:55 Mr. B Addresses Pat Bev 0:06:25 James Harden Cooks The Pistons 0:12:50 Reacting To The Controversial No Call 0:34:08 Calling Out Jalen Duren 0:41:07 Can The Pistons Comeback Again? 0:57:03 Skip's INSANE LeBron Take 1:05:48 Weekend Playoff Picks 2:17:05 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Gills Arena, presented by Underdog Woh-WW! Whoa! Oh, damn. It's a couple days since the Lakers lost, man. We have recovered. Oh, you recovered? Carolyn's back. Shit.

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Everybody ducking out here. Angela Duckin now. Where is that? He's ducking? Everybody trying to get their numbers up. Sebastian ass. What's Sebastian ass? Ducking? Y'all. He's ducking, too. We've seen him in a minute. Everybody trying to get their numbers up.

But here it is. Here it is. A lot to discuss today. This is Gilz Arena presented by Underdog Woo-Woop. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson. We've got one of the biggest legends in the sports media game with us. Skip Bayless. Back-to-back. No low management.

If you have some things on your mind today, we will discuss. Yeah. We might be in some fist of cuffs in a little bit. We don't mind it. It's all good. It's going to be one of them type of days. On this side of the couch, representing tough crowd, car carrying country club member.

We got Mr. B. Brandon, Jenny. Yes, sir. See you with the soccer jersey. Yeah. Nike. Shout out Nike. Shout out Nike.

Shout out foot locker for blessing the arena. On this side of the couch, we got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, who is also a car carrying country club member. Former number one pick, Kenyon Martin. What's that a a minute, Mike? And last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry NCAA Champion of the World Dr. Rashob McCann's Ph.D.

We got the sounds back. That was easy. Okay. I like that shirt, man. That's a nice-ass shirt, man. They're not like a... They are not. It's fitting.

Shout out to the Dodgers. Shout out to L.A. rappers. Getting their names mentioned in certain tracks. A lot of beef in there. A lot of shit going on. There's a lot of shit going on. There's a lot of shit going on. I don't eat that freestyle yesterday, too.

Mercury might be a retrograde. That's what she was waiting on? Yeah, that's exactly what we were talking about, right there. Okay. It's all right. No, that's what I mean. You're getting dragged into these beef by association? Yeah, that's what I did.

Yeah. That's what I needed that. That A.K. line was crazy. Yeah. A.K. line was crazy. I kind of want to hear what Brandon has to say. That's what I want to hear. Oh, about the L.O., we want to speak about...

We'll talk about it. We want to get the numbers up first. Okay. In the chat. Let them get in here? Let them get in here. A little teaser for what's to come here on the show, but we got a lot to get into. Here's what's cracking in Gills Arena today.

The Cavs stunned the Pistons in game five after an epic fourth-quarter meltdown. Does Detroit have another comeback in them, or are the Pistons cooked? Shout out James Hardin with the 30-piece. Skip has LeBron rated ninth. You heard that correctly. Ninth on his all-time top-10 list. So we're going to find out exactly what he's smoking for that basketball blast me. We're going to find out.

Damn. Look, it can't have his own list, then. It's a lot of smoke. Damn. And the NBA set to vote on anti-tanking draft lottery reform, but will it really stop games from tricking off games to get a higher draft pick? Before we get in all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog. Underdog, available in most states, including Texas, California, and Florida.

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Or should we just talk about it? Fuck it, let's just get into it. You know, I woke it out of my slumber early this morning. Trying to take me a little nap. Everybody tagging me on the internet. Former friend of the program. Patrick Beverly. Had some things to say about you two, gentlemen, on his show that we will not promote.

What do you say? Talking about your basketball exploits in your careers. Something about our careers, talking about us kissing the ground. You know, I think the kissing the ground part was a little funny because I know how I got on this couch because of Tim. Tim called me, so, and I know who write my checks, which is underdog. And me and Rashad, since everybody, I mean, we've been putting. and work since day one. I mean, shit, we've been number one for a long time,

dog, sitting on this couch, creating vibes, creating ways for everybody else. So, I mean, just like with you, you know, your show with Barstall, you know, that's their show. So, you know, I guess if we're going to be kissing grounds, I guess we all need to be getting on our knees kissing grounds because Barstone owns you. You don't own your show.

So, I mean, we're in the same predicament at the end of the day. So, and at the end of the day, this is underdog show. So that's just what that is. And far as my career, man, I just feel like with the career thing, man, you know, congratulations on, you know, having a longer career than me. You know, you made more money, of course. But of course, I tore my Achilles, which shifted things for me. You know, I think what, you made 80 million, I made 40.

So, I mean, you know, if I don't tear my Achilles, Billy's, you know, Stan Van Gundy, you heard what he said about me. They gave Reggie Jackson 80 million. Shout out Reggie Jackson, but they gave Reggie Jackson 80 million. So, I mean, just think about what the fuck they were going to give me. Fuck. 90, 100. So, you know, with that situation, you're not a better basketball player than me, dog.

Like, you have to play a role to stick in the league. you can know you average 35 whatever 37 in high school went to the league you can only stay in the league if you play defense so you was in a bad marriage But it got you to what you got to get to, you know, but that divorce was ugly But man, you know keep going bro You know we are who we are we do what we do We're gonna be number one we're gonna stay number one and That's just all to it Now shift over to Dr. McCannes anything you would like to add to this we're doing takes and shit? This is what we do?

just want to get it off the way. I just, man. We can get the show. Everybody knows I wasn't shit. Everybody knows that. He's not saying nothing new. Like, you're not saying nothing new about me. Like, my career was a bust.

I wasn't shit. I had expectations. I did not exceed those expectations. I'm starting a new career. I'm in year four of my new career. And I would say I'm pretty high on the totem pole in this new career of mine. I think that I'm very well polished

to do the things that I'm doing now. I have a body bag and a cemetery with a lot of bodies, body parts, figures, figurines in that. You are in one of the plots, bro. Like, it's not nothing new to me. People taking shots at the throne is going to be what it's going to be, right? I mean, I'm not going to go career for career, stats for stats, and none of that. I'm sitting next to Skip Bayless right now. Where are you at?

All right, cool. Stephen A came to debate, put him in the body bag too. If I'm kissing anybody's feet or any ground or any of that, amen. Well, he's kissing ground. He's kissing ground. I'm just saying. I did thank Gilbert for giving me an opportunity to revitalize, you know, what was a tough time. And I think every former player that he thinks he's shitting on at this point in his career,

that he can look down upon and be like, hey, look, if you wasn't on this show you wouldn't be shit so it's a lot of guys that want to do things that we're doing right now but guys like him feel like we don't have an opportunity because you got to have a career or resume and all this type of shit. But if he didn't play

defense he wouldn't be in the league long so I don't know what the fuck the conversation is and if I wanted to play defense if I wanted to play defense I could do what he's doing I could play but your best your best your best your best year in the league was not better than mine

and I still average more points to you. Like nothing. Like I don't know what the fuck the conversation is. Like there ain't no conversation. It's just, look, he tried out for our team, Gills and Renna, twice. He still didn't make the team. Then he went, started his own team. He got cut from his own team

by a point guard. That was better than them. So now he's mad. He's overseas crossing his legs. Nothing wrong with crossing your legs, and he's trying to figure out who's going to watch. this shit who he gonna throw shots at. So throw shots at us. We're cool?

Did he mention me? He just them. He called you a hoe. I'm just kidding. I don't think your name was mentioned. I don't think your name was mentioned. He definitely called you a ho. I heard that for a show.

I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. But I do have one thing to say. I would laugh that off, though. Can we all just get along? Like, you work here. He was getting along.

We wasn't doing shit. We were minding our business. No, he's just mad because we don't, he won't more respect. And it's like, nigga, you're not getting that. Not for me. Give a fuck. Congratulations on your longer career.

Your low of $40 more billion, but, nigga, you ain't better than me. Knock that shit off. I apologize to my sister. I didn't want to go this fire. I told you all what, but goddamn it. I knocked that shit off. I'm still doing business with the bucks.

Watch out. That's how nice I was. Milwaukee, a fine city. Shout out of the Cream City. Carson's. A lot of great. I'm still around. I'm still doing everything.

But on that note, we do have a show to get into. Shout out to underdog, man, for giving us an opportunity to do this and be here. You know what I'm saying? Liam, the whole nine, everybody. Rob, Tim Livingston, for sure, giving us the opportunity to keep this shit going.

And we're not going to fucking stop. I don't care how much y'all hate me. I don't care how much y'all hate me. I get the juice from the greats, man. They can't tell me I can hate, hate, hate, all I want. So it ain't going to stop. So take a seat, you're going to lose weight, waiting for me to fall off. Well, let's get into some actual basketball.

Appreciate all y'all. Appreciate you gentlemen, too, for addressing that. Need it to be addressed. All right, but let's get into the basketball. Caves and Pistons. Met in Detroit Wednesday night for Game 5. Detroit won the first two games of this series at their crib to take a 2-0 league. But the Cavs responded with two wins in Cleveland.

improving to 6-0 at home this postseason. Donovan Mitchell scored 39 of his 43 points in the second half in game four to tie an NBA record as the Cavs started the third quarter with a 22-0 run, led by as much as 21 in the final frame to remain undefeated at home. The Cavs had yet to win a road game this postseason while the Pistons had won four straight at home, and it appeared both streaks would continue until Detroit suffered an epic late-game meltdown to put their season in jeopardy.

Let's take a look at some of these highlights. Lowlights. Highlight him so low-life brother. Pistons led by as much as 15 in the first half, held an eight-point lead at the break. The Cavs gave up 20 points off turnovers in the first half. Cleveland caught fire in the third quarter, though, outscoring the Pistons, 32-20 to lead by four heading into the fourth frame.

Hell would he challenge that for. James Hardin left the Caves with the playoff best 30 points on 8-21 shooting, along with eight rebounds, six assists, game high-tying six turnovers. It was Hardin's 50th career 30-point playoff game, set an NBA record by scoring 30 or more in the playoffs with his six. six different team. Donovan Mitchell added 21 points on 7 of 18 shooting, but had some big buckets when a squad needed them the most. Max Trues, big off the bench with 20 points going

six of eight from distance. Evan Mowley had 19, 8, and 8. And Jared Island put up 16 with 10 boards. So Cade Cunningham, Pace to Pistons with 39.7 boards and nine assists, but also had a game high-tying six turnovers as well. Cade's third game is playoffs with 35 plus points. Danis Jenkins got his first career playoff start with Duncan Robinson out with the back injury, had 19 and two blocks. Jalen Duren, though, struggled to find his offense yet again, finished with nine points and five boards while getting benched in the fourth quarter in overtime.

So this one came down to the wire. Pins is up nine, a little under three minutes to go in the game. Caves responded with a 9-0 run to tie things up, sending this game to overtime. It was a question to play at the end of regulation that we will get into in just a point. moment.

Donovan Mitchell scored seven points in overtime. Helps pace the squad, including this. That's a bucket right here, three for three in the overtime frame, four for 15 in the first four quarters of the game. James Hardin went to the line, Hardin missed three of six free throws in the overtime period, but Miss one got his rebound. I was able to go back to the line, put the game out of reach as the calves. get their third straight win in this series

and first road win of the playoffs now return home for game six where as a reminder they are 6 and 0 this postseason so after the game Cavs head coach Kenny Atkinson and Cade Cunningham had this reaction we just made big plays we're down eight down nine

I think that stretch right there you know says a lot about our progress you know mental performance progress, you know, mental toughness progress. Kept out of Evan Mowbly, huge plays.

Max Drew's huge players. And then, you know, regulation didn't end great. And these guys, like, they never get down, right? Like, just, like, you know, great demeanor, great leadership from Donovan. And Evan and James. Tough loss, obviously, we wanted to protect our home court. We failed to do that. You know, being up 3-2 is an advantage for them.

It's first to four wins, though. We know that. We've had our back against the wall before. At the end of the day, I mean, if we can't win a game on the road, how far are we really going to get in the playoffs? How far we're going to get in this league? So you've got to win a game on the road. That's what we're going to go do.

So by all metrics, Piston should have won this game. 27 points off turnovers. plus 10 points in the paint. Plus 16 fast break points. But Skip, what are your biggest takeaways from the Cavs game five win over the Pistons in Detroit? Lord have mercy on the Detroit Pistons.

When the Pistons went up nine with two and a half minutes left, had a 97% chance of winning at home against a team that was 0 and 5 in these plays. on the road, the first thing I thought of was that man over there, because that man had picked the Cleveland Cavaliers, and I said, well, he finally ate one, because he was dead wrong about this one.

Was he not? Same thing. No, he was not. Because what ensued was an all-time playoff collapse by a home team in a crucial turning point game. game, five, and yet and still, what also ensued was an all-time uncalled foul at the end of regulation featuring Jared Allen. He's not a dirty player, a fowler by nature, but he's playing a little out of control because

his desperation moment trying to get the loose basketball, and Assar Thompson does get it, and Jared Allen blatantly stumbles into the back of him, and I don't care what time in the game it is, it's just a foul, and you have to call it with 1.4 seconds left, and you have to send Assar Thompson to the other end to shoot two free throws. During the regular season, Assar Thompson made only 57% of his free throws.

But with four and a half minutes left in the game, he had gone to the free throws. line when they were cruising up, and he made both. So he was two for two fairly recently in the game from the free throw line. Do I think he could have made one to win? I do, but I will never know because the call went uncalled. And it was just shocking and devastating to the home team, which brings me to a second foul call that was called a phantom. call that happened with 24 seconds left in overtime. James Hardin got trapped over by the Pistons bench on the sideline by a double team and was in big bad trouble. Detroit at that point is down

two points. Big bad trouble and you're just going to have to play it out. I don't know if he'd be able to call time or if he's just going to lose the basketball because he had been losing the basketball late in the game routinely as he has had a history of that. He has had a history of doing and he's coming apart unraveling and I've looked at it a hundred times and I can't see a foul but Paul Reed who doesn't have much of a reputation in this league because he's a bench player who came in and ignited them with some great late game energy he gets the foul call and I'm like God just give it to James Harden and he goes to the foul line and made the first and as you pointed out he missed the second badly.

It clanged so hard off the back iron that it buoyed out in Cade Cunningham who disappeared down the stretch of regulation. He scored 39. I give you that. But he failed to do something that all you guys were taught when you, I don't know, when you're six years old or five years old or whenever you started,

somebody has to have the shooter. You know, like somebody has to. to step in front of the shooter and just block him out. You just have to get in his way because you have the space advantage over him because you're a little closer to the rim than he is, so you just have to

stop him just in case it does boeing long where you can catch the rebound before he catches it. And Tade just drifts toward the rim like he thought he was going to make the second one and have to take the ball out of bounds quickly and go the other direction.

And you just can't. And it's why, you know, it's playoff experience. And I look at the numbers, and James has played 185 playoff games, and Cades now played 18. So he learned a really hard lesson because James gets the ball back and the game is basically over because he's going to do it again. He's going to be able to make one of two and he missed three. And just frame it with this.

I keep hearing that James Harden had a good. great playoff game after all those flameouts of his on his resume. No, he did not. He did score 30. I will give you that. But when I look at these numbers in the fourth quarter and overtime last night, James Hardin went one of eight, 0 for three from three with three big late turnovers, and he missed three free throws in overtime. James Hardin is saying here, here, and he Here, here, here! I'm James Hardin, and I'm doing what I always do in big playoff games. Here, and Detroit kept saying, no, here.

Here. We don't want it. We don't want it. You don't? And James Hardin gets to sit up the podium and say, yeah, I did it. Oh, did you really? Or did they not do it? Because that's what happened.

They did not do it. And look, I know Detroit came from three to one down against Orlando, but this ain't Orlando. It's just not. And so I'm sure we'll address this in a moment. But I like Detroit because they won the East by four games, and I like their coach. And I try to like Cade, but he's still baby. He still hasn't figured it all out just yet. And I just don't think they can go back to Cleveland and figure out how to win that game six.

So take it away. Mr. B, let's shift over you. A lot there to digest that. He said everything. No, but I do think Detroit is cooked. I think that was a game that they needed because on the road they haven't been getting done

from their All-Star Big, Dern. He didn't even play starting the fourth quarter. So that's going to be... He didn't play in the fourth quarter of overtime. He didn't get back on the floor. One possession, I believe, in the four, they put him in late in that game. I think with James,

I think he just got tired. I think it was a little fatigue in that fourth. He was, you know, he had to do a lot early. I was just blaming on that fatigue, but they still got it done. Evan Mowgli showed up. But, man, it was just a big win. They got that win on the road, and now they have a chance to go at home in six and get them out of here.

So I think with Tobias, so I still think they have trouble scoring, man. I just, unless K go for one of those 50-point games, triple doubles, then it would be something different. but if not, I see how Cleveland taking care it is. Now, we're shipped over to this side of the couch. How quickly the tide's turn, though, in this series. Pissons up too old to start this one. Thought they were cooking.

Caves came back, won two at their crib. Take game five, take a three-two lead. Now going back to Cleveland where they have not lost in this postseason. What are your biggest takeaways from the Cavs Game 5 win? Yeah, just a collapse. I'm up nine, two and a half minutes to go. With that team, the way they were playing, pretty much money in the bank.

But mental mistakes will cost you. Not boxing out, careless turnovers. Yeah, just not paying attention to the details that's needed in real time, right, in order to secure the win. And I saw it happening in real time, right? Cleveland got more aggressive, and it seemed as if, Nobody wanted the ball because they were taking the ball out of Kay's hand, right?

No, those are the times to thrive. Those are not the time to take a back seat. But now, Cleveland kept playing. They wanted it more. They played harder down the stretch. Yeah, and it's just unfortunate for the person to pissing that they are young still. They're young, and Cleveland does have experience with Donovan and James, been in big situations before.

which I think helps Kenny Ackinson in that moment, in those moments. Having them to rely on, I think it goes a long way. So I want to address Jalen Duren, right? Like personally, like this is, you're 22, you are still learning your game. Yes, we understand that. Points and rebounds are things that people pay attention to.

that get you paid. For the masses, young fellow. The people that's played this game, the people that's played that position, and I am one of them, came in, was limited offensively when I first got started, yes. But my effort,

day in, day out, possession after possession, made up for what my deficiencies was offensively. Always have. I went to college average three and a half points. I couldn't hit my ass with both hands.

hands. Couldn't, right? Couldn't throw it in the ocean, landing, hey, couldn't throw it in the ocean from the bank, from the fucking, couldn't do it, right? So I know what it is to struggle offensively, I do. But your effort, young man is unacceptable at this level. I've watched your games against Orlando every game. I watched every game in this series and wanted to see if you was going to change anything about your approach.

And you have not. Regular season is one thing. It's free flowing, everything is wide open for you to be the athlete that you are. But it becomes a time when that athleticism and those things are matched with other athletic people. and when those other athletic people play harder than you they're going to have your number you ran into that last series and you're running into it again you don't play hard enough you don't you might think you are young man you're not playing hard and you're hurting your team

there's no game that you play 25 plus minutes in young man that you should have. Yeah, eight and two the game before. Under 10 rebounds. You just shouldn't, right? You don't play hard. And Paul Reed

is out playing you and he deserves your minutes. For sure. 10 points and 8 rebounds to play the entire four quarter over time. He deserves your minutes. I'm going to be the one to tell you

he deserves your minutes. Isaiah Stewart deserves your minutes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Their effort is needed on that floor and because you're an all-star and a potential all-N-B-A player

your coach is handicapped by playing you. They're not going to tell you this because they don't want to lose you to go in a tank. I ain't got no horse in this race, young fella. I want to see you do well. I want to see you be

the all-star and the all-pro player that you are. But you're not doing that. And it's your effort. Points in rebound's going to come and go. You can control how hard you play every time you're out there, bro.

And your demeanor tell me you don't care from afar. I could be dead wrong, but I've watched a lot of basketball and been a part of a lot of basketball. And I can eyeball

when I'm being bullshit. Mm-hmm. Mm. That physique, smoke and mirrors. Smoke in mirrors, young fellow. Use it. Go watch film on people similar body type and athleticism and ability and see how they approach the game, man.

From the Antonio McDice's to, I can name the Ben Wallace limited offensively. Look what he did. Reggie Evans, look what he did. Like, dude, you can do something. different. You can change this, but it's on you. Look in the mirror, man, and go help your team. Let's move on to Dr. McKin's. Well, you know, aside from being the only person that

picked the right team, what I've seen came from a different lens. And I respect everybody's take on what happened as far as what y'all seen, the Detroit Pistons not do. I think I got to give more credit to what the Cleveland Cavaliers did down the stretch. Because what I thought was the pressure was on.

on. Detroit kept the pressure on them. They made it look very uncomfortable for Cleveland, picking them up full court, almost causing turnovers every time down. They took them all the way out of their offense. It was a bad shot after bad shot after bad shot. It wasn't good basketball down the stretch. But the one thing you have to applaud Cleveland for is as a team collectively, the one thing you want to do and say in those timeouts is we just need one stop at a time. get a stop here get a stop here and let's let our playmakers make plays

down the stretch. Seeing that James was one for eight, you got to look at the real star of the team which is Donovan Mitchell. He had that five points in overtime that really helped him that lay up in that three. The three was bigger than anything two minutes ago because it took the air out of Detroit

and I think when you got Cade trying to do so much, you still got Jenkins, he hit a big three. Paul Reed is always going to beat Paul I always raved about him being the X factor on that team, him, Sasser, Karris Levert. They didn't have no Duncan Robinson, so Jenkins stepped up to the starting role and was able to go in there and do what they needed to do. But you got to look at Struz. Max Struz had 20 points, eight rebounds.

Six threes. You're talking about a guy that under the radar on a scouting report, you do have to have somewhat respect for, but in this type of big game, you're not looking for him to be the X factor. You're looking for Evan Mobley or Jared Allen, one of those guys, even Dean Wade, that he hasn't showed up at all for Cleveland, but yet he's out there holding up space so Max Trues can come underneath it and really take the shine. So for what Max Trues did for Cleveland down the stretch and allow James Hardin and Donovan Mitchell to look a little bit better was I think collectively as a team, they decided to

take the game. You're on the road. You're at a disadvantage. The crowd and the energy, like you said, they trapped James on that. That was a turnover. Waiting to happen. We're talking about momentum. We get that.

We're going down. They're going to score. K's hitting big shots. Like, we know who to get the ball to, whether it be a shot or a foul. We have the momentum. But you go back and you look at that foul that you talked about between Allen and Thompson. The one thing you don't want to do as a referee is dictate the game in the last seconds. I think as Hoopers, we don't want the referee to dictate a tie ball game with a bullshit foul that could go.

Okay, I appreciate it, but I don't think it was a bullshit foul. Foul is a foul. Yeah. So do your, you do you have to do a job. Yeah. Do that job. Let's talk about it. So let's talk about that controversial moment at the end of regulation.

We got the video right here. So, Sir Thompson, Stripped Donovan Mitchell. It gets tangled up with Jared Allen. That's good. Here to get tripped. Both going for the ball. Yeah, that's not a foul. That's a file, though.

No imminent possession. So, the matter of this, if it's not at the end of the game, if it's the first quarter, are they calling that? If it goes out of bounds, I don't think, no. I think if James Hardin gets that ball and it don't go out of bounds, they might call that foul. That's a foul, though. So, no comment.

Look at Jared Allen's reaction to it. Tells him he thinks it's a foul. He kind of just, like, failed. Yeah, man. Think about losing the game on that. Think about losing the game on that play. How? The referees can't dictate the game like that.

How does he fall? How does he? He sold that fall. No, no. You can't lose the game on that. You can't lose the game on that. Bro, did you see how he fell? Like, he kind of just.

That's contact. Yes, that's contact. He's trying to sell the call. That's what I mean. He's trying to sell it. He has the benefit of slow motion replays. You're thinking live, real-time action. Refle is going to see that.

standing right there. They see everything else. He's, yeah. You know who was right there, right? Tony brother. Tony, motherfucker-brother. Tony ain't calling that. He's not going to be responsible for the game going to one way or the other on this call. I cannot call it. Let's go to overtime.

Why not? Let's go to overtime. Let's not dictate it right here. Once I saw who was right there, I'm like, oh, no, he ain't blown that. I would go with you if it was up, down one, one of those situations where if you don't call it, this team wins, I think it's different. But for it to be even, don't call it, let's go in overtime, y'all both got a chance.

But you don't know he doesn't do a job as well. But once I saw who it was, yeah, I know he won't go blow. But then 57%, like you said, from the free throw line, shit. Tony others, but one of the top-rated officials in the league has voted on by the MVP. And by the way, Tony Brothers said

after the game, incidental contact. Incidental. So let's listen to J.B. Bickersaf and Kay Cunningham and what they had to say about that particular play. He found a son. It's clear. He trips him when he's going for a loose ball in the game situation. You know, that's tough.

We all saw the play. I think it's pretty clear as a foul. He has the ball in his possession. He's running forward. He gets tripped up. That's a foul. It's been a foul the whole rest of the game. We're going to file at that time.

That's my thing. Close game. I mean, nobody wants to make that call, I guess. Everybody just wants to, you know, allow the game to sort itself out. So nobody wants to interfere with it whenever it should have been a foul. So Tony Brothers crew chief on that referee crew had pool report after the game. Was asked about obviously that play said during live play, both players were going for the ball.

There was incidental contact with the legs with no player having possession of the ball. So he decided not to call. Yeah, absolutely. I knew why he didn't, but I knew why he didn't call. I think he still sold it. I think he still just kind of just was like. Everybody else doing it. I think them two just made comments because they lost the game.

They went in that game. He didn't talk about that play. No, of course they asked somebody because it was the game they ended up losing. But they lost after the fact. Yeah, I'm saying. So if they end up winning in overtime. That car would have helped them win the game before overtime. Yeah, so if they end up winning the game in overtime, then there's nothing to ask them.

There's nothing to say. There's nothing to say. You had the opportunity. You had the opportunity to win the game in overtime. But they can still ask that question if they won. They can. You can still say, yeah, we thought it was going on just another basketball thing, like a sore time. Right.

You're another one out there. Like you're doing everything you can defensive young man. You're playing your ass off. You get two feet in the pain, young man. You got to shoot the ball. Yeah, he's scared. You are hurting your team, right? Cade making the right play.

He don't need you to hockey assist all the time. Right. Put the ball on the rim, man. You're more athletic than most people. You can put it on the rim and go back and get it if you're not confident in the first shot. But at times your team is playing four on five offensively. You got to put the ball on the rim, young fella. You get two feet in the paint, make a miss.

Get yourself opportunity, man. It's tough. Is he putting them in a bad spot? Yeah. I'm talking about are they putting aiming in a bad spot? No, they put him in a position to succeed. I believe. He just, I don't know if his confidence is not there with his offensive ability yet.

Like, he shoot the corner three sometime if you're wide open. I get that. But there's other plays to be made in the play. paint in certain situations that I, let's see last night, you overpassing at times. Yeah. Right. Well, I think also, like, he plays a different position than said put Tobias Harris in that position that can hit that shot that's confident in the, and let him play dunker Sean

Marion. That's what I'm putting in. He's just Sean Marion type of play. But he's catching the ball within that. Right. They're putting him in that position to get the bitch and do that. Like, that's all I'm saying. And you got shot blockers down there.

Cool. You got two monster shot blockers. He's like, ah. So, well, you can't worry about that. It's just a turnover for him. But you can't worry about that. A shot for him in that scenario is a turnover, which he sees like, okay, hockey assist, like you're saying.

Like, he gets it and it's like, hey, like, go ahead. Young fella, you got it. And he's like, no, I don't. Yeah. Let me throw it. But if that's a Tobias. Yeah. Right?

But you need Tobias in the corner for shooting. So Tobias is in the corner. You're going to have to put him, you're going to have to put A. the dunker like you do do his brother sometimes and then you go out to play uh overt you got to play faster you have to play them you got to play somebody else but he your defender that's he your main you need you need him on the floor you need you yeah he's still and you need jenkins out there because he's the other defensive job that a sarth Thompson did on donovan mitchell was extraordinary for four quarters his donovan couldn't buy one absolutely one of nine I think until overtime and then

to his credit, because he's got greatness in him, he started making shots when they had to make shots. Yep. Okay. They were in scramble mode at that point. And the boxer had on, was it, Jared Allen in the paint, came out of nowhere. Like, you make plays, man.

Like, that same athleticism that you display defensively, it works on the other end. Like, it really does. Donald McChry, 4'15, I believe 14 points in the first four quarters of this game, three for three. At least one of nine in the second half. One of nine.

He was struggling. Yeah. But look, hey, three for three, overtime, look, we got to step up. Got to step up. There's more game to play. We got to step up. And you believe the next one going in.

Yeah, let me redeem myself. He was locking me up, but God damn it is to take a game on the line. James won for eight. Let me try. Yeah. He's going to keep playing. He's going to keep firing because they need him.

And then, Kenyon, to your point about Jalen Duren, I've been watching your game many, many years, seen a lot of these kids come and go, mostly go. But what was in you and is in you is not in him. Your intangibles were extreme. Your effort was extreme. Your ferocity was extreme. Your commitment to play in every second of every game was extreme.

And I just can't find it in him. And I don't know if you can call it out of him. I'm just not sure because they've been trying. I'm pretty sure they have. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's sometimes you can't teach it, coach it or coax it. I don't know.

Yeah. He looks the part. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Durn's defense, though, 22 years old. I'm just a mental. He's been in the league a couple years. He's not going to play hard.

12 and 11 last season. One, Skip is making. Yeah. If he's not playing hard, he's not going to play hard. But it's just a learning mom from here. He took accountability after the game. I mean, last year, what happened last year? He took accountability in every game.

I wouldn't play last year. Yeah. Every game in the same position next year. So 12 and 11 last year, but shot 65% in the field. I'm saying, the team going to be in the same position. So I don't know how he goes. And they're fin of paying. The thing is he's going to make probably all NBA team, right?

He's an all-star. He's going to make, he's a free agent. He's going to make upwards of $200 million. Five-year, $290 is. If he makes all-N-BAs, 240 if he doesn't make the all-N-B-A. So 240 at worst, case scenario, this summer form, right? So what incentive does he have to look in the mirror? He has a lot.

He has a lot. He has a lot, because he's 22, remember. And think about this. He has credentials right now. He has a certain pedigree right now. That was given. Of course. But you got to remember what kind of pedigree he's a part of, the Detroit Pistons.

Now, I'm not going to blame them in seniority. and the history of their organization not to come back and talk to him. She, Ben... Big Dice. I know, but I'm not saying if they're talking to him or not, but you got Mahorn, Lambere, every game. You got these guys around

and they're seeing what we're seeing. Right? And the lack of rebounding is one thing. Like, I think that Detroit Pissons always done is rebound the fucking ball. Box out and rebound. Okay. So regardless if it's effort or he's just checked out the mental side of...

what's going on in this day and age and this generation is higher than we can expect. I think seeing how he played against Orlando, the Wendell Carter. I don't want to get too deep into the woods and now. Yeah, but that social media-wise. That should make you play against that man even harder.

But not if he's coming at me even hard. Yes, it should. He's coming at me. Force with force. Force. Force with force. Yeah. bigger the basketball.

And if my shit not going down and I'm struggling, it makes me, I'm digging a bigger hole for myself because I'm trying to get out of it based on retaliation and numbers. And you're going on social media. But we're winning, though. So if we get out of this, we win. I got another chance. Woo, yeah.

Woo. I got out of that. All right, next check. But you got a harder task now. That task, Wendell Carter ain't Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. You got two-headed monster that's really trying to bite your head off. So now you know you really got to bring it there we are really expecting you to bring it as a team And what's happening with kate when I see his press conferences is he can't even

Say me and me and Jalen durham we can't he can't say us They're extremely close spent a lot of time to get in the offseason I know you know so those conversations Those conversations between the two should happen like if I'm Cade after game two I'm going over there I'm like hey jay what's going on bro? Are you in your There's something going on at home. Work-related potential. You know what I'm saying?

Some chicks going on. Whatever it is, bro, I need you here with me. We were up too old. Now we're down 3-2. We got a chance to make history based on us being number one all year. J.B. Bickerstab, old team is now playing us. We got them too old. We can take them out.

And now we're in a discrepancy based on what Kenyon is identifying as effort that cannot be the outlier with an all pro player. You cannot come to the table and say, hey, bro, I need you to play harder. That's the one thing that coach can't teach you. Coach can't pull that out of you. That's all you. So, like you said, go to the mirror, do whatever you need to do. But then the, so my thing is, right, you look at the guy that play behind you and the guy that play behind him.

Right? Yep. It ain't a far, like, look or reach to see what effort looks like. Right, right. Right. It's not a hard, you got two guys in there that play, but you're the starter and them dudes wanted more than you. Yep.

It's the minute. Sure. It's got to be meant. It's here. So, dude, what are you going to there, man? I just be baffled, man. Like, that's one thing you can control, man. It's how hard you play in your effort.

Right? Because what's going to happen next year? You're going to be in the same position. Detroit not going to where. They're going to be good next year. You're going to be in the same position. You're going to see these guys again. I'm a year older.

I'm a year older. I got the summer to really reflect. If you think about how we do as players, if you really care about the game and you go back and watch that film with that last series that put you out and you got to really soak that up, that's going to be troublesome for whether you reach that pinnacle

or you go down into the... So what happened last year against the Knicks? They didn't learn nothing. I'm certain, I thought they learned from last year. I mean, they were number one all year. Well, they got, well, they got, well, I mean, lost in the first round, I mean, I'm just saying last year, they felt like they should have, they should have won that.

Lost in the first round last year, I think. Lost in the first round last year. First time really, really, win. They're making a conference final to next year. All star. All-Star. They ain't lost yet. They ain't lose yet.

They ain't lose yet. They ain't, they're 21 in 10 for the season? Cleveland was. It was 20 and, I think 20 and 11, shot season. Oh, and whatever the road was, Detroit. only one, they only got one road win. A whole playoffs?

The whole player, they got one road win. Detroit, Detroit, have one road win. So it's telling me that they, them and Cleveland both got one road win now in the playoffs. Cleveland take care of home. They undefeated. The writing's on the wall, though.

And that was the energy last night, though. The energy in Detroit was we need to take care of, them losing an old, I know Kay is saying that shit, them losing in overtime. gut punch. For sure. Especially the way it happened.

Gut punch. I don't know, man. Trust it. Air out. I don't know. Clever might beat the shit out of them. I will love to see, I will love to see Detroit, Cleveland in the game seven. It would be a great game seven.

You know what time it is that game. Back in Detroit, Paige Scott Foster. Cleveland might come out of motherfuck and beat the hell out them boys. Extend me. Yeah, I think they beat. It might be a blowout. A blowout? It might be a blowout on fire.

I don't think Kay going out like that. I mean, I think they're, I don't know, man. It's, it's, listen, the playoffs is, the playoffs is weird. Donovan still ain't, Donovan had a good half. I mean, but I'm just saying the playoffs is weird this year. Donovan had a good half. He ain't played like he's, he's, he average 30, but he's just been, yeah, we ain't. I mean, he had that game, though.

The game, but I'm saying, we ain't for top the bottom one of them. Like, hey, hey, and look, you don't got Duncan. You don't got Duncan Robinson out there, and you depending on the, aiming to, aiming to. Blue your dirty. I mean, I'll get another 30. You know, I have a question. Skip, you've been around this game and watched this game long

than I've been on this play, right? All of us. Have you ever seen situations where guys sit out a playoff game and then play the next playoff game as much as they do now? Weird as fuck. Right, you, if you're not health enough to play in this one, you got one day in between the game and you...

You bet not bring your ass back in here and try to... What you're doing? We needed you last night. No, we don't need you tonight. We don't need you tonight. We don't need to do it out. We figured it out. What the fuck?

How does Duncan Robinson wake up yesterday morning and say, you have a stiff back, man, I can't go. Need a back of you. What? Back the bags. What? And now what? And by the way, not to make any excuses for the Pistons,

but Duncan Robinson's, he's a key piece, man. He's 44% from three in the playoffs, and he was 41% during the regular season. You don't think he could have made, he's got big balls. And he keep him honest, because you can't help off him. So Kay gets,

they don't get the double team and do things as much. He could give you just a couple threes last night. Nine, nine points. Just one. If you're up nine and he makes one and you're up 12,

the crowd goes berserk. Just to threat him being out there. Whether he's making it or not skip. I agree. Come on, man. The fact that he's out there. Decoy. He's a threat.

He's a deep. He's a deep. He's a decoy threat. Yeah. Because he shoots the ball at 44% of 3, you have to pay him attention, right? I just, yeah, you can't, you're not going, until everybody buys in, man, and put everything in,

you're going to have situations like this, man. Yeah, I got spoiled covering Jordan, because he played all 82 nine times, and he played 81 once and 81. So he just, he's just going to play. If he got the flu, he's going to play. If he ate bad pizza, then I'm just going to play. I don't know.

A little guy like John Stockton, right? Yeah. You don't mean to tell me fucking John Stockton had El elements and nicks and bruises and bang that some of them games like no i don't know it's just look at people like that man mcale bridges i'm pretty sure he'd have some shit that hurt yeah right right even in these playoffs that we're playing right now that is pretty sure he got some shit he woke up after one of the games and was like ac green too shit ac green i don't say i just don't get when it's meaningful game okay regular scenes some guys i get you need a day

All right, it's a lot of games. It's a lot of shit going in between the regular season. I think you should play. But if you want to take one off in the regular season, a guy like Cade, Brun, Luke, all the guys, Donovan, guys that's carrying a load, Janice, that's carrying a load for your team and you playing Sacramento on a random Tuesday

and you need a day off, all right. It's sack. Cool. We're in sack. It's cool. But playoffs? Playoffs.

We need that. Playoffs. We saw the same issue with the cabs last year. Yeah, you were talking about. The Andre Hahn and Evan Moby set out the fucking game. You can't trust them. How? Right?

So you can't trust them. This ain't no. So now I think they learn, like, whatever it is. Like, we got to fight through shit, man. Like, we're in this shit together then to the point we was making, and you walk back in here getting ready to put your fucking jersey on the next day. As a teammate, as a competitor, I got an issue with you. Right.

I got a whole problem with you. That this shit is on the last season on the line and we fight for something. and you motherfucker decide like, I ain't got it today. And we got another, we got another motherfucker over here that's saying he ain't got it but he ain't saying I ain't got it.

Yeah, he just ain't got it. He just ain't got it. So we got two motherfuckers ain't showing up that ain't got it and we need all the pieces we can get. And y'all are two important pieces. Two starters. We need all these bullets in this gun

and y'all, hey, you're bringing, putting blanks in here. Like, nah, we need your production, dog. That's sitting out of playoff game shit is weird, though. Cavs need this, though. They will. They will.

They're gonna take it. James Hardin made the decision to go to the Cavalier. This is right here. And he showed up the last two games to show everybody that I'm not playing around this time. This time, I'm gonna change it. And that's what I love about narratives that push

he's gonna do the same thing he's been doing. I feel like there's always an opportunity to change it this time. There's always this opportunity, no matter how consistent I've been with fucking it up. He has been. It's a long history, man. But if I could do one for eight,

it's better than 0 for eight. Okay. Give me one for eight. Yeah. I like James's chances to get him over the hump. I mean, I like to get there. He scored 30 last night and he made a bunch of big shots. Yeah.

I, I, the last two games. Donovan Mitchell's down, four for 15. The least I can do is carry us to this point. Next to y'all question. The foul on Tobias Harris. when James kicked his feet out. I ain't like it. Did you think it was offensive foul?

I just feel like James did that. When James went like that, yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's offensive foul. Because if I'm, right? Right. So, and he pushed his feet out. He did it. And they called a foul on Tobias, right? Yeah. J.B. didn't have no challenges because he had challenged that thing in the third quarter.

He had. He had no challenges. Yeah. Once again, coaches. Stop doing this fucking shit. No, no, no, but the players didn't do it. This was all on J.B. you can't do

it's too valuable them challenges are too valuable in the playoffs first three quarter listen unless unless you know it's blatant proof that Kaye got three

files and that's his fourth file in the third quarter and you got blatant proof that it is then you do it but if it's in before challenging things before the fourth quarter man

the last five minutes of the fourth quarter like they challenge some shit late, knew they wasn't going to get it, but he had a challenge. Right. Right. That out of bounds shit, you wanted them to go call because James kicked his feet out again. You wanted them to go review it to see if they were going to call

a foul on Tobias again. It was the exact same play that they called the foul on Tobias the first time, but you don't have your challenge. Yep. That's unfortunate. Stop using them coaches before then, man. Like, it ain't worth it. Because they're giving you opportunities to use it in these tight situations

down the stretch. for the whole severity of the game. Say, you do the timeout. So think about, we plan, you a coach, I'm a coach. The whole, let's say the first three quarters, we're not even thinking about using that shit because the game's gonna play out the way the game played. The ref missed the call, he missed the call.

Hey, get your ass back down, get down there, and run back on defense. Stop, stop, don't even look at me and do this. You do this to me as a player you're coming out. Fourth quarter, we need our fucking replays based on what happens with the, last two minutes, two minute drill football. We got the two minute drill.

This is where we need our replays. Anything happened in this time, everything that happened before it don't matter. We can't change none of that. But we can challenge it now because we got enough to do that. But when you don't and you're just doing shit to appease guys or the Lakers, the JJ be doing that shit, Dagnoff be doing that shit. Just, all right, just, for what? Because the player feel like he got foul?

Fuck him. Get your ass up and get back down to court. Like Max Schuze did last night early in the mother-fiel. early in motherfuckney. Kenny Hs, like, dude, no. Watch out! It was a foul. Whatever he was challenging, we saw it, it happened.

It was a file. But dude, get, I can't afford to waste it right now. It's too important. Like, possession, it's a possession. The ball is too important. Just like the turnovers and all that shit is important. Them challenges are important. Treat it the same way, because you only get one

if you lose it. Like, that's the thing. Like, you got to, and you... Even if you get it right, and you got the second one, you got to burn a time out for it. Yeah, you got to burn the time out to get, which is crazy. The fucking rules is flawed. I'm raising to me. Right?

Y'all fucking up. You fucking up and I challenge and I get it right and I still get penalized. Like, how does that... Because you're challenging the referees. You're making me... Make a Tony others look back. You make a... What do your job?

Don't guess. Call shit, what you see? He's the judge jury executioner. Yeah. His previous said. So, Detroit was down 3-1 in the first round to the magic before getting three straight wins. Now they need a winning game six in Cleveland

to keep their season alive. Do we feel like the Pistons have another comeback in? Don't have to. I'm four three games. Tough. They've done before. I'm done. I'm done. We push you out. I learned my lesson

from you. You talk. We push it out. Oh, let's go. I just. I ain't no Cleveland fan either. You know, I don't like them, but I'm going with them this year. Who's four straight? Now, listen, if Cleveland win and play to Knicks, that's going to be a different... That's a good matchup.

That's a very good match. That shakes things up a little bit. Because Cleveland got them bigs that can move. Yeah. Spurs, OKC, Knicks, Cavs. We're talking about some good shit going on. You know, it's going to be, you know, Donovan Mitchell versus Brunton. Donovan Mitchell versus Brunton.

Donovan Mitchell Brunson for sure. That's going to be. Watch parties. You ain't got to come, Joe. Cat versus them two big boys. He's baseball season almost over. Robbins and Mitchell Robinson, Jared Allen. That's a good bump, man.

That's a good bump. Yeah. You got Struce and Josh Hardin and... Max? Yeah. James Hardin and Bridges. Yeah, I'm coaching, too. They're playing Moble and Allen together.

I'm playing Mitchell Roberts and the Cat. Why not? I'm coaching this year. I'm not playing small. I'm not playing, because Cat and the Mobile, that's a good matchup. But is the OG going to be back? We don't know. That's a big difference.

What is it? Hamstring? Yeah. That's going to... You know how that is. Last time he had it, I think it was against the page that they tried to bring him back for that game seven. Oh, that was last year?

A couple of years. 20, yeah. Whatever it did you have me, man. So that shit is reoccurring around the same time. Yeah, a couple of years ago from that stage. Oh, gee, let me find out we need to investigate your ass. So Cleveland went and got James because he's played in 186 playoff games. And it started to show the last two games just on sheer playoff experience because, again,

Kade's played in 18. And alongside James, you got Donovan Mitchell, who's played in 75 plays. playoffs games and Struces played in 76 playoff game just for the record and that showed last night. He was in Miami. Yeah. Okay. And just for the record, little Schrooter who, I just, I just respect

it. I know he bounces but he just he's a difference maker to me and he's played in 86 playoff games. He just been there and done all that. That's a good one. Okay? My wife was like, yo, he played for them? He does. She was like, he didn't play with every NBA team, right?

He's like, he didn't play for every NBA team, right? He just moved around here. five within the last year. Yeah. He reminds, quick NFL reference, CJ Gardner Johnson. I don't know if you guys, but he just floats from team to team

and everywhere he goes, something good happens. He's good. The team's good. They're like, wait, wait, he went to Buffalo now. Watch Buffalo. Oh, yeah.

He'll pick off seven passes this year and change all those games. Yeah. But that's like Schroeder, he just knows how to play. Yeah. And he ain't afraid of nobody and no moment is too big for him.

He'll take big. Even when he was a Laker, he would make. I don't know if you remember, but... Oh, we remember. Yeah, that's a good... That's a good... Play with this bread.

Yeah. Whatever you want to call. That's a good, like, something to have, a cart to have the pocket, right? Yeah, yeah. A little one. No. Like, yeah, hey. Reverse.

Reverse. And then... To your point. Tobias has played in 79 playoff games because of the Sixers, okay? But he's, he's an okay third wheel, but now he's not a second star. And you're, you're saying, oh, they're doubling Kade and strews is all up in the Kade. Tobias, you got it.

Yeah, you got to. You got it. And he shot 6 of 19. And he made a couple shots, but he's Tobias Harris. He's not that guy. Yeah. I think 0 for 8 in the fourth quarter

when they double-ked on those possessions. I like your point to that, though, because when you're asking Tobias, because we've been asking for him to be more than what he's already been. In 2020, 23, we said, he went and got his 30. Yeah.

So now we're like, Tobias, you got to be the good number two now. All right, so let's tell. So, Skip, we were, So we were having a conversation about Kate needs help, right? Yeah. And we were all in an agreement that Tobias' window of his production is from 15 points to 25 points, right? We were in agreement.

We were like, yo, he averaging 15 and the most he can give you any given night was 25, 25, 25, 25. We all was. I said a 30. He said, then I was fighting the 30, right? We was both fighting. We were fighting. We were fighting the 30, right? out on the limb, it was like,

he could get us 30. The very next game he went out when he had the 32, right? Nailed it. The very next game went out and had 32. I was like, oh, damn. Yeah, for sure. But he's a solid, consistent player, but he's not your second option.

No. He has been playing great in these playoffs. He's one of the, if not the main, without, okay, one of the main reason they got out of the first round. Okay. His play. So far in this series, he has, has played great.

Struggle yesterday, but then that's times when your all-star needs to show up. Yes, and I was just about to say that. Right. If we get 20 and 11 from the guy we're supposed to get 20 and 11 from, Tobias thrives as a third option.

His off night is not. Yeah. Yeah. His off-night helps us. The way he has been playing, it's been the cherry on the Sunday, right? The way Tobias has been a cherry on the Sunday. Yeah. You need that all-star, to be himself and then when Tobias is having a off. 15.

A Tobias night, his 15 then it's not as detriment as it was. So last night they needed 25 from Tobias and they got 13 on six of 19 and one of seven from three. It's just not. He had off night. So he taking the shots though. Yeah, he had all night. We needed 25 from him, right?

He had 13. We only had nine from. Durden. Give us 11 more points from Durden. We didn't have Duncan Robinson. No. We had Jenkins give us 19. He did.

So we're talking about a full like the Detroit Pistons is full body. They're just as good as any other team when you talk about talent that can show up. But when you don't have them guys all on the accord you're looking at a potential

sweep of the Cleveland Cavaliers if they play consistent with who's supposed to show up and do what? That is true. And then you're looking at, all right, we got one guy not playing and another guy, we got to take these guys to seven because we're not being the number one team in the East that

we're supposed to be. We're allowing the number six. They're number six, right? Cleveland was six? Or they're four. They're four right now. So you're allowing the Cleveland Cavaliers to come in here and look like a better team than we are based on production. True. Well, and you know, so

Detroit Pistons built up of a bunch of Dallas guys I don't know if y'all know that or not We are we Jenkins, Haland, Cade Mm-hmm

Yeah I'm doing Sasser Yeah Sasser too Yeah That's true Y'all played to get sassie His uncle

And his pops in him In high school Mm-hmm That I don't lose man From one D to the other You're gonna figure that Dallas shit out But let's keep this I like Jenkins though

Now Jenkins's tough He's going to be trying to bunk He's trying to dunk on He's trying to dunk on the He's trying to dunk on Allen and Mowbly down that motherfucker. I'm like, yeah, all right, young fella. You play hard.

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I appreciate you. Let's get into another situation. We dressed a little bit on the show yesterday. Decided to save for today. So, Skip, you made an appearance on first take last week, first time in 10 years. you and Steve and I.

Both dress nice, dress or impressed, looking good. Flares out. Already doing it. And during that appearance, you discussed your top 10 players of all time. So here's that list

for the sake of reference. So you got MJ the top spot followed by Magic, Shaq, Kareem, Tim Duncan 5, Bill 6,

Kobe Bryant 7th, Larry Bird, 8th, LeBron, Raymond, James Sr. Ninth on that list. And Will Chamberlain rounding out that top ten.

So LeBron, ninth on your top ten list. As I alluded to earlier in the show, Skip, want to know, what are you smoking to think LeBron is the ninth best player in NBA history? Smoking nothing. Pass it around.

But chuli. So Josiah's going to not like me even more than ever after this one. No, Skip, we are friends now. We don't have to like that. the same players to it. All right. I just say what I see and what I've been seeing for low these 23 years.

And you can ask my wife, I don't miss LeBron games. Watch every dribble. So first, allow me for the 1,000th time each to hit the three all-time positives in LeBron James basketball game. He is the greatest power driver of the basketball I have ever seen, born left-handed plays right-handed ambidextrous at the rim. He is obviously a generational pastor who takes my breath away a couple times a night where I just say, pooh, wow, that's a gift from above right there.

And he is obviously the most durable athlete I have ever seen in any sport, anywhere, any time. He is the longevity king. Brontevity, as we call it. Yeah. And I'm going to knock on wood saying this, 23 years, 41 years of age and no surgeries. It's just, it's impossibly blessed is what he has been. Give you all that. But I do have him ninth, and I will defend it with all my heart and soul for you.

It's going to take a minute because of two glaring deficiencies. So everybody you saw above nine on my list. to me are all cold-blooded basketball killers, every single one of them. And I'll whip through the list in just a second for you, starting with that guy at the top who had the greatest clutch toughness I have ever been around,

and I was around Michael in Chicago. I was there in 1998 for the last dance season. And as gifted as LeBron James is, he has proven time and time again to me to be the mentally most fragile superstar I have ever closely observed. His resume is stained again and again with epic playoff fails that I will quickly detail for you in just a moment. He has been notorious as a late game free throw shooting liability because he, by superstar standards, is just a poor free throw shooter at 74% for his career.

Jordan was 84% all the grades were above this. Obviously not the centers, the post players. But for a point guard slash point forward, to be only a 74% free throw shooter is just unacceptable if you want to move him up the list. It just disqualifies you because you're better than that. You keep telling us that you're in the lab all off season, but you never were able to improve 74%.

You guys were better for e-thos shooters than that. Yeah, you were. You were. And three-point shooting, 35%. And he used to be high volume, and to his credit, he's toned that way down. But this year was 32%, which ranked fourth from the bottom in the NBA,

and I'm not holding him accountable for year 23, but by superstar standards, a poor free-throw shooter and a poor three-point shooter. And this brings me to this list. And I mentioned Jordan. And maybe it's because I've been on TV for so long with opponent after opponent trying to convince me that LeBron is better than Jordan. So, wait, you're telling me that the mentally most fragile playoff player I've ever observed as a superstar is better than the toughest mentally player

I ever closely observed in Michael Jeffrey Jordan. I just, it's just laughable to me. It's blasphemous to me. It's outrageously wrong to me. They don't belong in the same debate. So I can't even start with that one because you can't start with it, which brings me to magic.

Despite that million, smile of his, and I think you can appreciate this. Beneath that smile was a cold-blooded killer, the greatest leader-winner I ever saw, and he had five rings, and he was, as you recall, the most outstanding player of a Final Four championship game over Larry Bird,

which led to him being the first magic, being the first rookie ever to win NBA finals MVP the next year because he stood in for Kareem in game six at Philadelphia and went 42, 15, and 7. And he did win three finals MVP's and he did win three regular season MVP's. And yeah, I was around those teams and I got to know him. And listen, game for my life, I want magic overseeing my game. I want him orchestrating for me on both ends. I saw him one year I was in Dallas covering the Mavericks. They had a player named Roy Tarpley, you might not remember.

We know Roy. Yeah, okay. So seven feet tall. I had to turn up. Hey, he had his issues off the floor, but on the floor, he was a monster. And this was game seven of the Western Conference Finals at the Fabulous Forum. And I was sitting there in the front row and the press row. And I watched Magic going the huddle between quarters and say,

I got Roy Tarpley in the fourth quarter. And he took Roy Tarpley out of the game, scoreless in the fourth quarter, and the Lakers won it and went on to beat Detroit in the finals. Which brings me to Shaq. There were three years of Shaquille O'Neal in which he was the most overpowering, intimidating force on both ends of the floor I ever saw, and it ain't even close. Just awe-inspiring. So he did it all as a short time, but he was.

was three-time finals MVP and deserved every one of them, which brings me to Kareem, the most unstoppable shot I ever saw was the Skyhook. So six rings and six regular season MVP's and three finals MVP's. I don't know, just he was the opposite of Shaq. He didn't terrorize. He just was unstoppable.

He just beat you and beat you and beat you and beat you. And you're going to talk about a big game, big shot taker and maker, it was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Some people make the case that he was the goat. Which brings me to Tim Duncan, and I was close to those Spurs teams, and talk about leadership. Beyond Popovich leadership, the driving force of a dynasty was Tim Duncan, who would have six rings, if not for the greatest clutch shot I ever saw, which was Ray Allen's clutch shot that ended game six of 2013.

And he's another one. If my life is on the line, I want Tim Duncan on my side because he's just going to, there's no splash and flash to it. He's just going to make big shots at big moments and get big rebounds and make big passes and block big shots. Which brings me to maybe the most controversial name on my list because it precedes even me. I'm not old enough to have really grasp how great he was,

but I've sure talked to a lot of people who appreciate what Mr. Russell did with 11 rings and 12 tries, lost one finals early in his career, and he won the last two as a player coach, and he won five MVP's, but the main thing that he did was he went up against the greatest stat machine

in the history of basketball, Chamberlain, eight times they played in playoff series, and seven times Bill Russell, he was what you're saying. He was the essence of energy, effort, ferocity, commitment. You ain't going to beat me. You're three inches taller than me, and I'm going to take you out of this game because I'm going to outwill you. I'm going to outsmart you. And Bill Russell at 610 could jump out of the gym. To me, the greatest defensive player ever, the greatest shot blocker until Wimby came along, but more athletic than Wimby, to me, more explosively athletic at 610 than Wembe. And as a player coach, he was the essence of the biggest dynasty we've ever seen.

And you can say, playing against plumbers and white guys and whatever you're going to say, I don't know, he's playing against Wilt Chamberlain who's 10th on my list and would be higher, if not for what Bill Russell did to him. Kobe being Bryant. Again, I do one game for my life. LeBron or Kobe, stop it. I want to live. I want Kobe.

Give me Kobe. Damn. I want to live. Can I live? Yes. Larry Bird. Same idea. One game for my life.

Man, give me Larry Joe Bird. As gutsy a clutch shooter as I ever saw. and just a bad MF, just would tell you what he's going to do to you and do it at the highest level in the biggest games. If there hadn't been a magic, he would have won seven straight, whatever. He would have dominated the 80s. And that brings me to LeBron, and for all his greatness, the inability to shoot and the epic fails just,

drop him down the list because he just wasn't as mentally tough as all those guys I just detailed for you. And maybe I should let you guys respond before I go through the litany of Epic Fails because I want to walk you through and get you to respond. But let me open it up here. You know they leave with stats. You know, Skip, you're going to have to tighten up your stats because LeBron is the king of stats. Epic Failed, was there anything positive in LeBron's career, Skip? He laid off with that.

Yeah, I did. Well, I mean, for me, I got, well, I mean, for me, I got Bronn number one. You know, I think... Better than Michael Jordan. Yeah, I got Bronon number one. I think LeBron James is the American dream. For one, we can start talking about off the court, how he built his brand and his... Okay, but I'm not doing off the court.

All right. But, I mean, it's everything, so I love that part. But then let's go with the way how he played for three different teams. over 10,000 points with three different teams. As a number one option, you know, he's the only player in NBA history to win a championship, be finals MVP with three different teams. The most playoff wins without an all NBA player,

the most playoff wins without any all-star players, the most playoff wins than any other player. Um, man, we're, I mean, Jesus, I mean, he's had, uh, he's had three Hall of Fame careers with, with, with, with the calves, Miami and the makers, uh, averaging over 25 points in a night. Um, he's number one with, uh, in players, uh, of the week, uh, you know, getting player of the week, getting player of the month, he's number one, he scraps that. Um, he has the most 30, I want to say, wait, he has the most 30. and 10 point games in the playoffs, 35 and 10 dimes.

He has 124. The next person is Jerry West, which is 10. The most 40, 10 and 5 playoff games. That's LeBron with 10. Shack is with four and Mike is third with four. If we want to talk about clutch, if we want to talk about the way you had to do it, I think he had the hardest way to do it

because he went to different teams and he made it his team, and he was the number one guy. We talk about clutch. You talk about Larry Bird. He was terrible in a clutch. when it's time for Boston to win. If you look at those closed-out games, he was terrible. Well, playing the Lakers.

I mean, he was terrible when it counted for them to close out. And then just, I mean, you know, most 25 and 5 playoff games before 30 and after 30, Jordan is at 73. He's at 80. I mean, he played against. You do realize LeBrona's played far more games, regular. season and playoffs than anybody ever. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, he played against, I mean, he played against 30% of all NBA players in history. That wasn't about baseball, but go ahead. Yes, it wasn't about baseball. Okay. He was inducted until the Hall of Fame in 2008, while he was still playing. I mean, the list is just, I mean, that's just the facts. I mean, he's number one in scoring, second and assists. Did you ever see Jordan play?

That's what? dream team thing? Yeah, I mean, I'm inducted into the Hall of Fame. I'm in the Hall of Fame. I'm still playing. We know he's going, but that was the team. But I'm in a Hall of Fame. We know he's going. That's the team thing, though. That don't count for him. Yes, it does. I'm in a Hall of Fame. Not yet. We ain't going to give you that.

I've been inducted until the Hall of Fame in 2008. I mean, that is. I mean, there's a lot more shit than LeBron done did to say that he's number one. I mean, I'm basically breaking down everything he did in the playoffs. He said he wasn't clutch. He has the most wins of everything. Okay, he's playing longer than everybody should. Like, I mean, I have the most playoff wins with with no all-NBA players, no all-stars.

Who? LeBron James, he has the most wins. With who? With who? With no all-N-A player. Okay. And no all-stars. I mean, so what road are we talking about? So that's a hard, that looks like a hard road. I mean, we talk about Tim Duncan, yeah, he had,

yeah, he's in a system. We play for one team. How many championships should he have in 23 seasons? He has four. How many should he have? He has four. That's all. That's what God wanted to do. Did he have 15?

I mean, that's a, if that's what you want to put. Yeah, in 23 years. I mean, who? Nobody has it, right? Nobody has it, right? Shouldn't, shouldn't go be doing shit that nobody has done before? Does Jordan have 15? How many does he have?

He has six. Okay, yeah. He has six. So why does Braun have to have 15? And he never lost when he was in the finals. And you can't lose in the finals. You can't lose in the finals. if you don't make it to the finals.

But you can lose six times in the finals if you do make it to the finals. Most top three finishes in MVP? And we talked about this yesterday because you said, what, the business? The business model of basketball. So if I'm a top of business. He could have more than them, Brandon.

Like, the only thing that you named that he should have more MVP's, I agree. Right? Who, LeBron? Should have more. No, I said he finished top three. I'm saying, so then he should have more, right? Because he, like, they had to find somebody else to give his.

Other guys were playing. well, but at any given year during that run he had in Cleveland, he could have been the MVP of the league, yes, absolutely. So Kevin Durant got an MVP, Jeff Curry got two MVP. Same thing with George was playing. They gave it the bar. James Hart and Russell Westbrook. Them was supposed to be LeBron.

But other guys are playing well, so they had to reward those guys as well. But if it would have ended up it on his mantle, again, wouldn't nobody have anything to say is what I'm saying. Right. So skip with your list, right? I hear you. Like I told you yesterday, I think you're fucking crazy. But...

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're right here. They think we crazy. But tell me why. Listen, I thought about it from when I saw it the first time, and I'm like... If you really, like, want to get to the notes and boss up, if you don't, like, you ain't got to like LeBron. Nobody has to like LeBron.

At worst case, I'm thinking if you're going to for it, right? I'm saying at worst case, if you really, like, dislike him. The route that he's taking, everything that he's, like, if you really dislike him, I'm going to say at worst case scenario, fourth. But do all those other things work into your advantage, which means you never left your team. You got a good record in the finals and championship pedigree. Killer instinct. All of these things are working for you. So you got Timmy, you got Hakim, you got Magic, you got Mike.

Why is the metric of not leaving your team, a team that you didn't pick? Right, and I took a harder road. No, no, because you left on a loss, and then you left on a loss, and then you left on a loss again. And then you formed with two teams, so I can't. Sean, you're working in Cleveland, you get a job opportunity. you get a job opportunity to go to Miami. No, it ain't a job opportunity.

I don't know, but you formed, you formed. No, no, no, Josiah, I'm not going to give you that. You must stay in Cleveland. Joe, you have the option to play wherever you want. No, you still, listen, no, Josiah. You live in Cleveland. He made a conscious decision. I won't out of here.

I won't out. Okay. And you leave. To a super team. And that's when the criticism. And that's when the criticism starts. I got to understand. But why?

Because people, and the basketball world, of people and community and everybody, you couldn't get it done there. So you, I'm not saying this is my words, this is what people, so you jump ship. And who got it done in Cleveland before? You go jump, nobody. Nobody.

Nobody. Just make it. But you are chosen one on the back. I am. Greatest king, right? All of these things are being said by the masses, right? That's fair. You jump ship.

You go join a guy that was in your draft. That won already. already established. The criticism for a lot of people was warranted, right? It was warranted. You do go win, but at the same time, people looked at your tenure in Miami as a failure. Because of the team that you assembled,

y'all handpicked this team from the stars to the bench. This team was handpicked. and for you to only get out of that. Listen, for you to own I'm not saying this is about but this is for you to only get

this conversation I've had with people for you to only get two out of that was a failure. Boston got one. That was a failure. They were older. They were older. They were the first victory.

They were older. And one guy from Boston went to go play with you. Hold on. Whoa. One guy from Boston went to go play with you. One guy from Boston went to go play with you.

One thing I can tell you for sure. One thing I believe wholeheartedly. If Kevin Garnett goes and join a younger Ray Allen and a younger Paul Pierce, they have more than one championship. Possibly. I could tell you that shit. They're not beating Kobe like that. I could tell you that shit.

A younger KG, a younger Ray Allen and a younger Paul with a rondo and boy, you, yes, that teams win more than one championship. I believe that. But with that said, why people worried about what they did, they won one right so why we're worried about what brought us you self-proclaimed those three

and this is Boston and this is Boston none of those three guys are up for the goat conversation is self-proclaimed none of those three guys are up for the goat conversation and they will never be so this guy is so the goat went and did

look I went to this spot I went to this spot I went to this spot I got a stat right here on close out games with Michael Jordan for you on close out games with winner goals home, LeBron is averaging 33, 10, and 7. Mike is the average in 31, 7, and Mike is the average in 31, 7,

LeBron is 15 and 14. So we're talking about clutch. I mean, when to go home? I mean, yeah, win or go home games. That's my stat. So when is, so when was those winner go home games? In 1987? When, when?

They own there. They own there. Oh, they didn't happen during the 16-0. Oh, they didn't happen during the shit matter. They own there. Okay, cool. They own there. Well, I'm saying, they said they said the guy went to clutch.

The guy went to three different teams, man. Brandon, you can keep going and looking up every basketball stat that's been fucking made. For sure. And LeBron James' name is going to be attached to it. Yes. Yes. And you know what also exists at the same time? What?

People watching basketball. Uh-huh. And seeing him. 2011. AJ Perea. Jason Terry. I test, right? Yes.

A wild winner, 2014. And guess what? And guess what happened? All those numbers were being accumulated. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people, I do a lot of failures being. happened simultaneously as those numbers were being put up. In 2017, 2017, 2018, the Golden State Warriors Kevin Durant back to back.

Exactly. LeBron played against a better error. Same time failures are going on. The top three players are. If you're the best, you plan against a better error. You're supposed to perform better and win. You don't get to lose against a better error and say I'm the goat when you didn't win. So if you plan against better competition than me and you say you better than me, you

supposed to beat the better competition. I have more rings in my error. Beat the competition that's better. The three greatest player ever to play this game is. So the three greatest player and I hate that you don't have. So you're the greatest player in your era. You said, no, no, no, no, I'm playing in the greatest error ever. You just said.

You just said I have more rings than everybody in my era. You just said that. No, yes, four. For him, Seth. So you're the best player in your era. But he's not. Steph is the best player in his era. I was getting to that.

Right? I was going to get to that. Really? Really? With that said, no, no, I'm saying. With that said, though, with your statement, that he has more reasons than everybody in this error. They're tied.

Him and Steph are tied. So. Who has more finals MVP? What I'm saying? No, now you split. 2015 and beyond, LeBron James doesn't have an MVP in four rings with one finals. He does not have an MVP since 2013.

So this is a thing. So this is a thing. So, LeBron James has a finals MVP and a ring. In 2020. 2016. He won one. But 2016, he had an MVP finals because he won the championship.

So, like I said, at worst case scenario with skips list, I think if people really dislike the guy, you can be like, okay, he's fourth, the greatest basketball player of all the time, right? Or nine. I don't like the fact that Stephs. Or nine. I think, listen, I think Steph LeBron James. That's my guy over there. Or nine, five or nine, we're good.

Thank you. I think Steph LeBron James and Steph Curry, the greatest three ever in any year. Say it again now. LeBron James, Steph Curry, and Cameron Durant are the best three in any error. In any error? You could pick your best three in your error in basketball.

That's the greatest three that ever played this game. In any era. I'll pick that three over anybody. Or anybody's error. Give me the Michael Jordan. Uh-huh. The Kareen. In the same error?

You said any error, niggins. You said any error. Oh, yeah. You just said any error. That's fine. No, no, no. No, I said any error. You said, my error.

You said, I know. You said, no. He's saying, he's picking these three in this era against any other three at any other era. Yes, so your era. Yes, so your era. I just gave you three. I just gave you three. My era?

Yes. Who was your three? When I was in the NBA? Yes. Tracea McGradie. Uh-huh. Kobe Bryant. Uh-huh.

And Shaquil. They're going to get barbecued. Who? Who? Who's guarding Shaq? Shaq got to come outside. No, he don't. No, he's right.

No, he got to guard this. It's six files. Hey. Six files. Brindon. Brandon. Brandon. What is tra-

Who can go on LeBron out there? Who is going to get on? Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Have you seen LeBron's record against Kobe? There ain't no record against Kobe, man. Stop it next.

And you see the All-Star game and all that? You do know it's two sides to that. That's what you bring it to the table? You do know it's a crazy. You do know it's crazy. Covey and Jack against those three? Come on, yeah. Skip who you got in your 90s?

Yeah, you've been mighty quiet over there after staring at all this shit. Three killers. Hey. All right. Who? You get who guarding your guy? Who ever guarded Shaquille O'Neal?

Y'all might not get the ball. Huh? Who ever guarded she killed? Whoever scored, we get it back. Y'all might not get the ball. Whoever guarded she killed? Answer my question. Huh?

Huh? Who ever guarded? Who ever guarded? Who ever got there? No, no. You said Steph, KD. and LeBron. Who in the history of basketball? I put LeBron on him.

Let's go. What? I put Lebron on said. He'll dunk him and Lebron. He'll dunk him and Lebron. Lebron is the only player in NBA history. to be listed at all five positions. Okay, cool.

So, hey, he played it. Cool. We can put them there. Who's going to guard Kobe? Katie. Excuse me. Oh, no, no, not Kate. No, no.

No, none of them dudes got all defensive. Nothing. Did you just, what you just, Brandon, you sound. You still got to guard us. You have to guard us. You sound like, you said, you sound like we went to the park and you picked your friends. Yeah, he picked his friends for sure.

Tracee McGrady. I'm bringing him. I'm bringing Tracy McGraedy to the table. You bring it. You're going to get the table. Yes. Get the, get the, yes. against who?

Again, who? Pete, Matt, the lead, league and scoring Mac? You crazy. You crazy. Katie, League and scoring Mac? Same thing. No, not the same. It's not the same.

It's not the same. It's not the same. You're out of your mind. Because when we go on a Zoom, If not, if not more. If not more. If not more. If not more, what?

You are out of your mind. If not more, what? You're out of your mind. You're out of your mind. Man, tell Katie you get on a Zoom call, man, show them what I'm done. Tell me on the Zoom call, show them what I'm done.

Line that your Mac up. Hey, lie. You know, KD. Gets a Zoom call and tell him what. Yeah, whatever. Lying young Mac up. What about Bob Coosy? You see Kevin the Red of his score of 63 and three quarters?

Wow. I seen Kevin Durant go 8 to 1. How many points did DeRenck? He scored how many points in the finals? I saw, I seen Kevin Durant go 8 and 1 in the finals. You see who? Kevin Durant go 8 and 1. Who was he playing with?

The team that way? The team is MVP. Oh, he's playing with Steph 3. The other guy you got on your team. Hey, man. I don't care. I don't care. Get one, dog. Huh?

Get one, dog, if you want to be at the table with them. With who? Who with the jump ship crew? Get the. Kobe and Shaq got three of them by themselves. What are you talking about? I'm with them. Huh?

I'm T-Mack. I'm with Shaq and Kobe. They got three. I'm with them. They got three. You with him. You beside Steph. You with him.

You're with him just like I'm with them. So what are you talking about? We watch that out. Tim Duncan, that's crazy. I got Shaq. In your air. We got two. We got Shaq. I got Shaq.

All right, Skye. Okay. Epic fails. Brandon. Brandon. Why? Can we start with epic success? First thing on Epic Phil?

Epic fails. I'm going to explain. Okay, this is four and six in the NBA family. Four and six. Talk about it. Okay, let's start with the 2010 playoffs, the last go-round the first time in Cleveland against the Boston Celtics. LeBron James played. thought the best game of his life in game three at Boston on a Friday night. And I was in

awe of that because they went up two games to one. And my friend Greg Anthony, I was working with at ESPN, texted me and said, you're going to have to give this young man his due. And I said, I will when this is over. And in games four, five, and six, LeBron James shrank like you've never seen him shrink. And when it was over, my man Stephen A reported that a member of LeBron's inner circle said he had to be sedated before games four, five, and six because of a locker room issue with a teammate, and I think we all know what that was. But the point was, I'm pretty sure it came from Rich or Math, and I'm like, Stephen A, sedated? Are you kidding me? He had to be sedated before games. So that's the excuse that you're

going to use, is that he disappeared because he played sedated on the basketball floor. I just wasn't buying it was the first. Stephen I said this morning on first take that LeBron James is one of the greatest manipulators of narratives ever in the history of sports. And he is. He is. He and Rich and Maverick are really... M.J. Up there as well

Skip. Your media. Shut up. Shut up. Your media. Shut up. Your media. Shut up. Your media back in the day. Okay, so the next year, and I did not dock him for this. He needed to join forces with Dwayne and Chris Bosch and Pat Riley and Eric Spolstra. I... He

needed that. So I don't, I don't dismiss that, you know, I do dismiss that. I don't doc him for that. That wasn't one of my criticisms of him. So he goes to join the Heedles after he said, remember, not five, not six, not seven. Didn't he get up to like eight? Salesman. Yeah, okay. Trying to sell season tickets. Trying to sell the fight. You brought it up, 2011 finals against the Dallas Mavericks. LeBron James goes up two games to one in Dallas, Texas. And according to Stephen A again, he went back to his hotel room, and he made a list of, I told you so, people.

I'm going to tell you, you, you, and you. And Stephen A reported, I was number one on that list. They're up two games to one. In games four, five, and six, the chosen one became the frozen one in those three games. And go look at the numbers because they're horrendous for LeBron James, because he averaged 15, 8, and 8 with five turnovers a game. And I saw Dwayne Wade say the other day,

I just couldn't snap him out of it. Okay, Jordan, Kobe, Bird, they didn't do this. It's laughable to me because you're disqualified from being one, two, three, or four just off that finals alone. In those three games, he was two of 12 from three, four of ten from the free throw line with five turnovers.

Okay. Now we go to 2013 game six. San Antonio Spurs at Miami. Could be a closeout for the Spurs. In the last 40 seconds of that game, just go look at it. LeBron James turns it over twice in the last 40 seconds. And then, to his credit, he took what would have been the tying three, and he labricked it.

It labricked so hard off the back iron that it's a Boeing long rebound all the way out. Chris Bosch tracks it down. sweet quick kick into the corner to Ray Allen, and I don't know how he got his feet behind the three-point line, but he did. And he ripped the greatest clutch shot I have ever seen. Or LeBron, without that shot, LeBron is three and seven in the NBA finals

because game is over. But he made it. He did make it. Way to go. Next year, it's one-to-one in the 2014 rematch finals against the Spurs going back to Miami. So LeBron's got two home games. It's one-to-one.

Go look at it. I don't know what happened to him. He just disappears in three and four. They get blown off the floor. They go back to San Antonio and get gentlemen swept by a record finals margin with LeBron James on the floor. To your point, is that a success? Is that as a Miami heat, not five, not six, not seven,

wait, you got swept by a record finals margin, and I'm saying, you're disqualified, man, you're out. So then let's go to, let's go to 2018. Wait, we're skipping. Yeah, okay. Well, I'm just doing the effort. You would say, 2016, talking about the championship. 2014, didn't they cut the air conditioning in game one of that series?

They did. Okay, just 90 degrees having to play a finals game? But it's one to one. A well-conditioned athlete like LeBron cramping, dehydress? And guess what? And guess what? Would you believe only one athlete in the fourth quarter of the well-conditioned athletes, Only one cramped in the fourth quarter.

It was LeBron. I don't know why. Nobody else cramped. I don't know. Just throwing her out there. We are a tropical peoples. Okay. Draymond did get suspended in 2016.

I give you that. You know what? If you want to do this, let's do 2015 then. Okay? It's the first time against Golden State. Well, they're not yet the Warriors, right? And to LeBron's credit, he loses Kevin Love just before the finals. Then he loses Kyrie in overtime of game one.

Shatters his kneecap. Okay, so you're down. You're two studs. And you play three of the greatest games of your career in a row with Matthew Delavadova as your sidekick, right? The Stephstopper. You are up two games to one with game four in your house, King, in Cleveland, in your house. And look what happens in game four. This is a goat game to me, because I go into that thing, hey, if you do this, if you close this deal without Kevin Love and Kyrie, you're up two games to one. If you win this game tonight, go up 3-1 and figure out how to close it, hey, you got me.

I'm going to stand up on the table and first take and applaud you. That night he shot 7 of 22. Remember they put Iggy in the starting lineup that night, Steve Kerr did. 7 of 22, 1 of 4 from 3 and 5 of 10 from the free throw line, and he was a minus 15 in that game. They got blown out and lost three in a row and they were out. So there's another L, the 4 and 6. No, Carrean.

Thank you for bringing that back up. Thanks for reversing that because he skipped the... I was going to hold that. So no-Karee and no Kevin Love is what I took from that. Okay. So 2018, this is vintage... And Iggy Finals MVP. He was the final game.

Not Steph, but 80s. Okay. So now we go to 2018 game one at Oracle. And LeBron James has the hottest hand from distance I've ever seen him in a playoff game from two-point jump shot range and three-point range. He is on fire. He scored 48 points, much of them from outside,

and he's not a great shooter, as we know. So I'm like, whoa, he's got them. They're down one with five seconds to go, and LeBron gets the switch that he wants. He gets little Steph on him. So it's 6-9 versus what do we give, Steph? Is he 6-3? Maybe 6-3.

Maybe 6-3. I'm not sure he's 6-3. But you've got what you want, and you got the Jordan Shep. shot. You can take one hard dribble left and go up from just beyond the free throw line, and it's going to be a do-or-die shot because if you miss it, you lose, but if you make it, you just beat Golden State in game one at Oracle. And what does he do? He passes to George Hill. To George Hill? I never liked him when he was a spur. And Clay, you know, Clay just tackles him

because it's George Hill. Just tackle him and make him go shoot those free throws. And what does he do? He Hey, the first one, and he misses the second one, and J.R. Smith loses mine, loses the clock, and it goes to overtime. What does LeBron do? He goes and sits apart from his team. He sits like 10 feet away from the team. I don't want to associate with these guys.

And he pouts and won't shoot to start the overtime for the first three minutes. He doesn't take a shot in overtime, and they go hopelessly behind game over, and they get swept. And what does LeBron do after game for, after the sweep game? He comes to the press conference wearing a soft cast

on his shoot. shooting hand. You remember this? A soft cap and claimed that he was so mad at JR at the end after game one that he smashed his fist on the whiteboard in the locker room and broke his hand. So he's saying he played two, three, and four with a broken hand. I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm not buying it. Okay, let's go to the 2023 Western Conference Finals. This is your moment. We've, we've again jumped ahead. Okay. Do you want to do the Mickey Mouse championship?

No, we do not. I don't want to do it. Why not? We know it doesn't count. Yesterday you said Brian is an MVP in a bubble. We know T.J. Warren is the impurest form of basketball. Come on, man. Four and a half months to get ready for the bubble.

Every other team has that same. All right. No, keep on the other teams. Skip ahead. Other teams tapping out. Oh, yeah. We got to skip that one. Go ahead.

Skip that. Other teams tapping out. Bronze said, I'm just going to play madden and get through it. He's going to play mad and get through it. Let's skip that. They didn't even drink real champagne. It was apple juice. Yeah.

And the rings are made of cubic zirconia. Come on, man. All the championship ring. We know what that is. All right. Jason of Beverly Hills. Exactly where they got. You're not just all Jason like that.

All right. You're the highest one. I'll say, yeah. Don't do Jason. Right on. You get Jason like that. I get my shit straight from where they got their shit from. Okay, help me out.

2023, this is this is the Western Conference. These are the Los Angeles freaking Lakers, right? LeBron and Company. You've got this. All four times, it's a four-game series, because they got swept. All four times, it's right there going to the fourth quarter. It's a point or two either way. Lakers ahead a couple times.

Denver barely had a couple times. And LeBron, in those combined four fourth quarters, shoot seven of 23, one of 10 from three. and in the close-out game out here at what used to be staples. They're still staples. Still staples to you. In the final seconds, down to LeBron has two shots to tie, two shots to tie and doesn't hit the rim with either shot.

That happened. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not making any of it up. I'm just spitting facts. That happened. Following years, the first round at Denver, Do you remember game two? You have a chance to make a statement in game two

because you're down one. And LeBron James gets another Jordan shot. He gets, with four seconds left, a three-pointer to win the game after a little push-off like Brian Russell in game six at Utah for Jordan. But a little push-off on Jamal, and LeBron winds up wide open at the three-point line

and Leclangs it. And Leclaimed it pretty badly. it wasn't even close. Look, here's the point. I've said it again and again. The poor man was born without a clutch gene. He doesn't have that in him. And then finally, against the T. Wolves a year ago,

look at the last two fourth quarters. He was just pathetic in them. He was two of nine and one of five in the last two fourth quarters. And they had chances they were very close in both games. And then, of course, maybe his tenure in L.A. ended the other night where he does get a step on Caruso, and we talked about it yesterday, and he's got the shot to win the game down one point with 20 seconds left. And he just, he always shies from the late game free throw line because he knows that's not his forte.

So he sort of fades off to the right because I don't want to be foul, please don't blow the whistle, and he shoots it up way high off the glass and it misses badly. Okay. I just detailed, these instances, these epic fails are why he's four and six in the finals and why he fell down my list to number nine. And tell me I'm wrong. Did I exaggerate or fabricate any one of these points? You just left out? I mean, you just left out one more thing.

That's a fact. I mean, LeBron has the highest winshares in NBA history regular season in playoffs. So, I mean, with that being said, he... You said win share? Yeah, win shares. What is that? In the finals? We share wins.

How do you get wind shares? What is winshares? Hold on, I want him to, what are winshares, Brandon? It says that he's number one at 60. Okay, I didn't ask you what it says. That's what it just says.

I asked you what are winchairs. NBA career playoff leaders in records. Okay, I read well as well. I read very well as well, Brandon. I mean, that's, like, I could have read the exact same, but my question to you is, Brandon. That means he wins.

That means he has a high percentage of winning. Podcast. But what a win-shed? I didn't ask you that. I didn't ask you that's what it says. That's what it says. I asked the guy that bought wind shares into this conversation. No, that's fine. I mean, but that's why. I want him to tell me what wind shares are without looking it up. Yeah. I mean, that's what I mean, that's what I mean, that's what I mean, that's what what I want to know. Like, I want to make it. That means, I have a higher, I have a higher percentage of winning. What wins charges in the final. I know, but I can't, I can't, I mean,

I mean, that's what it says. He's number one. So, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, he's on the court, that means he has a, you know, that's the win. You sure that's not on some LeBron blog or something? No, I mean, go ahead. No, the blog are a lot of. I mean, you can make it more clear to Josiah for them? No. That means he wins.

So you're telling me, business-wise, you're going to go with those deals with four and six and not six and no. I'm going with LeBron James. He's still playing 23 years. I need the long, I need everything. We need a business that's going to be here for the law. I need the American. But you're operating at a 40% close rate.

I'm closing at 40%. Hey, listen, I'm the American dream, okay? This, like, you want the American dream or not? I'm number one in everything. Win shares, winning, most playoffs without an all-NBA player, without All-Star, all that. Come on, man. I mean, I get the facts of them felon.

I mean, yeah, that happens, everybody. No, it doesn't happen to the guys on my list above LeBron. It just didn't happen like that. Burr got boomed on. Magic got boomed on. Magic did have one bad finals. I give you that. Shaq got boomed on.

Kobe got boomed on. What about Tim Duncan? Tim Duncan got boomed on. Five and one. Five and one in the finals. Five and one got boomed on, though. But what I'm saying is they've lost. Kobe five and two.

They got boomed on. A lot of these percentages are better than four and six. But I just still, I'm still confused on what wind shares are. I mean, he was trying to. No, I tried to explain it. I mean, that's what I got. I asked Brandon Jennings. Brandon Jennings brought up winshares

into this conversation, and I wanted to know what winshares are. I said it. I said it. Well, we said it too many times. Can I ask this question? I have a higher percentage of winning when I'm on the court. If LeBron leaves this team,

does it count against him again? If he leaves, well, it seems like he's getting pushed out. I'm asking. He didn't get the game ball. Breshaired as we talked about the other day. Poor friend. Listen, the legacy. The name had the most wins in NBA history

and they gave it to the coach with the home. It was cookies before. It's a ball down. They gave Jay J-Dell personalize, so it's not going to go against. The legacy is set. He can do whatever you want. He can go back to Cleveland next year if you want. Don't matter.

Don't matter. It's still going to be 20 and something. So his legacy is said, so he's ninth on skips. That's what I was about to say. Still, whatever happened, he's still going to be now. Skip list is skip list. Skip is a guy in the media that has a list that I'm going to talk about. Skip.

And McGrath and McGrathes is, six and ten. probably need to flip them. I mean, Steph Curry not being top ten. Yeah, I think, yeah, I just looked at the numbers. Yeah, I probably want to flip six and ten on your list. But six where ten is. Okay, but remember the numbers seven and one. That's what else it was again.

I hear you, that's a team thing, Skip. So our championship's a team thing, though. Like, that's a team thing, but. I mean, because if we're going to say, you know, championship. He averaging. That means number seven goes the number two. So team record they were,

let's say it's 37 and 57, right? Wilt average in 30. Bill averaging 14. Yeah. He averaging 28 rebounds. Bill averaging 23 rebounds. It's a lot of bricks in that era. It's a lot of fucking bricks.

Wilk shooting 49% from the field. Bill's shooting 37% from the field. unacceptable. 37? I'm not putting yeah, Bill got Switch. You got a better team

to me though, Bill. You got a better team to me, Bill. Playoff games that play 49 times 20 and 29. Bill got through 29, of course. 26 points. Bill consistent.

14. 28 rebounds. Wilk. 25 rebounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Winshares means it's by his...

Oh, you look it up. No, no, no, it's the same. Who texted to him? Gilbert. No, it's the same thing. Somebody texted to him. Gilbert. It's the same thing, no.

It's the same thing. When I'm on the court, we have a higher percentage of winning because of what I do in my production. Okay, yeah. I just wanted to know if you knew a win share as well, you threw into the conversation. That's why he's number one and everything, so it's kind of hard to not put him number one. I mean, I get the four and six, but this is a lot. It's like... But he's not one in number one in everything then, Brandon?

Because he's not number one in that. He's not number one in the world. I mean, what Bill Russell is right? Okay, well, they put Bill Russell number one. Hey, that's the most thing. But they go put Bill Russell number one for a team, for a team thing. No, but this is not a team accomplishment. What is?

Rings. Rings is a team accomplishment. But what we're talking about is not? But everything, what is not? Leading your team, leading your team? You're talking about individually. And you being having a killer instinct in the finals? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's number one.

What he did. showed everything. I mean, I went to three different teams. You said, I went to three different teams and I had a, and I had a Hall of Fame career on every team I've been on. And I've won. When I'm on the floor, we win, right? Yes. And the 10 times we've been to the finals, when I'm on the floor, I've only won four. Right, for a team thing. But for me, when I'm on the floor, I have a higher percentage than anybody that's ever played the game. For a team thing, right? No, for just me being out there. Yeah, you have a chance. I'm still number one. But in the finals, when it matters most, you're four.

40% win share. For a team thing. For a team thing. For a team share. For a team, that's a team share. That is a team. But my share for me individually, no, that's, I'm number one, baby. Come on, man. So let me, let me end this with one last.

Skip, we'd rather you're not. Okay, unless it's positive. Yeah, because they already hate us enough, Skip. I know. I understand. I understand. All my head is unsubscribing. Motherfocus is like, eh, not them.

Okay, this is just me, and you can reject this. if you want, but, hmm. I know of two cases in which LeBron James, during a basketball game, was called, you got something? What does that say? I said it's cream for a regular

season, but it just says all the time, though, right? All type NBA, NBA, regular season? Winchairs, right? I'm just asking for a friend. Go ahead, Skip. Okay. So, I know of two instances during basketball games, NBA games, one playoff, one regular season, in which LeBron James was called to his face a bitch.

He was called a bitch by Draymond Green during game four of the 20, what was... So you're not saying that. You're saying someone else said it. No, they called him a bitch. Dremont, and I talked to Dremont about it about a month ago on his show, and he said that that's, the biggest regret he has in his life because a man can't call a man that word because it's

crossing a line, agreed. Interesting. But Dremont did call LeBron that so audibly. Then he goes down on the other end and kicks him in the balls. But he did, he got suspended for game five of an NBA finals, which I thought I would never see happen. But it did happen. And then Imey Udoka, this is going back a year ago, during a game, he gets into it with

LeBron. And he's basically telling LeBron, well, he's basically telling LeBron, well, he's, you come over here and you want to do something about, let's do it right here, because EMA thinks he could kick LeBron's ass. And I'd give him a pretty good shot, Eme. On fisticuffs or on the basketball court? Fistichuffs.

Okay, just because. And he called him that word, that really magic word. And LeBron's saying, be careful with that word. That's all you got, because, come on, man, be careful with that word.

Like that guy right there, that guy right there, that Mr. Kenyon, you call him that word, you're going to fight right then and there. And it's... Canyon, a man of peace and tranquility. So because he don't fight? He is a changed man.

All right. This is just... Brother Kenyon. During Jordan's era, nobody would have dared to call him that word or even thought to call him that word. They did. No, they didn't. No.

Reggie Miller got his face. He didn't call him. He didn't call him. Come on, like Mike bent into it So because he doesn't fight, that means he's not What? No, I'm just saying. They had dinner after. They had dinner. Reggie came and had dinner, paid for dinner and everything. Yeah. Said I'm sorry, Mike. I apologize.

Are we all agreed? Hey, Brenner, what website did you look up for your wind share stack? No, I didn't. Somebody sent it to me. Oh, and they were fucking, like I said, somebody sent them. But you said win shares for regular season and playoffs? No, you did. Yeah. I just put it in the chat for us. I'm looking at it as well. You didn't see the chat one?

I'm looking at the one I No Okay, so what is that? So where does that one come from? I guess it's updated. The more updated than when I just looked up? I'm not sure, but I would assume that this is contributing

to his recent rent shares this year. This one. It says LeBron James has surprised career in regular season. Season share wins in around early 2006. So this is just past it.

Wait a second. That's a longevity staff. Yeah, that's a longevity. That's playing in 23 seasons. I got it. Yeah, Kareem. Where was the last time? Hold on.

Hold on. When's the last time Kareen abdued your bar picked up a basketball? Hey, my problem. He should have kept playing. Huh? Should have kept fucking wrong? After 40? He played till he was 41.

He would play 20 years. He still playing a 41 right now. He's still playing a 41. So on this one, I look here's and here. So I got the all-time NBA regular season wins share career leaders. And this list has Kareem. and LeBron to. Yeah.

And it says still active. So I'm not so I just want to do it. So as of right, as of today in 2006, LeBron James is number one. Oh, he just passed. Okay. And Corrine played with the last time he picked up a basketball skit? I can't remember when he retired.

89? 89. Is the problem with LeBron James because he came through the league and did it the way he wanted to do it? No. No. And everybody else had to follow the rules

and did it the way because they felt like, oh, well, this is the culture. We have to do it this way. to stay with one team, the fact that LeBron can go anywhere he go and win and the value goes up, and the value goes up, no. Brandon, the beauty of it is, other people have that choice as well. Okay, but that's what they chose to do. Right, they chose to do it their way, so I'm going to do it my way.

So why am I getting penalized for doing it my way when I have success and I'm number one and everything. I'll tell you why. I can tell you why. Because you left on a loss. I don't care how I lost. I got it still done at the end of day. I got it done.

It's like I got the billion dollars off the court and on the court. and on the court. It's like, I'm not missing. So what's the issue? Like, why are we... Ain't nobody critiquing his money? But you're calling yourself the goal. You're calling yourself.

My stats, my stats are. But you brought it up, though. I mean, shit. Ain't nobody critiquing his money. My stats and everything. Ain't nobody critiquing his money. People talking about the game of basketball. We're talking about the game of basketball.

Everything about LeBron James rounds up to everything. Yeah, but you talk about my stats. We're talking about basketball. But you're calling yourself to go. We're talking about basketball. You're talking about basketball. I should be able to. I'm the American dream.

But why are you calling yourself the goat when you left teams that you won championships with on losses? Man, Drey left Def Roe. What they got to do with anything? So, fuck, we got to leave and do our own thing. What they got to do with? I said, I left Jeff Roe and I became a billionaire. But you left. I'm just saying, like, I got to leave.

But you left again. I got to do my thing. What you're going to call him? But you left again. So who questioned, did anybody feel away by what Dr. Dre did because it was for his legacy? When they were questioning? Yeah, when he left. Yeah.

Damn, damn, man, Drey left off the death row. That was a big man. Wonder why he left death row. The shit wasn't safe. And I wonder why I left Cleveland, because we couldn't do. And you went to Miami, right? You went to Miami and won, right? Because you couldn't get it done is what people are saying.

So we took them Chalka-chip cookies off the plane and you decided to jump ship again. Does it matter? This is my league. I do what I want. He's been doing this thing for 23 years. Can we just agree with that? We can't complain about where you are on my list then. You own my list where I put you.

list is fine. Just like you go where you want to go because you want to go. Guess where you are on my list? Don't ask me about my fucking list when you keep quitting on your team and the guys I got in front of you, they stayed and won and lost

with the teams that they were on because that's what leadership do. You stay, you lose, you win, you take the team and the crowd. You say, don't worry, we're coming back next year. We're going to get this shit done. I ain't never going to quit on y'all because if I'm the king of my fucking empire,

I'm not leaving my throne, to go play night and shining armor for somebody else's fucking army. And then help him win and say, yeah, look what we did. And then come back over here and say, oh, the king is back. But look, we got a new king. We got Kyrie. I'm going to let us do. And then, I don't help y'all do this.

And then after I make Kyrie mad that you can't be the king over here, Kyrie, it's me. So Kyrie said, well, fuck it. I'm going to Boston. And then you say, well, if you're going to go to Boston and I'm going to go to LA. And where did Brown do when he went to LA? But this who's, it was somebody else's kingdom in L.A. Who?

Kobe. This is the house that Kobe built. Yep. He's gone. You could go anywhere in the league that you could go. You went here. Los Angeles, a beautiful thing. Because it's safe.

What do you mean? It's safe. It's harder here in L.A. It's safe. It's harder here in L.A. Are you crazy? If he ever went to win a Laker jersey and didn't bring a ring here, they'll be killing him.

Bro, he bought a, bro, you have to win a ring to be a L. Why didn't you win a ring? He did. No. He did win a, what the fuck he's talking about? No. No. No.

Two rings for sure. No, man. NBA Cup chess. Come, man. I mean, I think it stems from. Listen, I respect skips. Live. I mean, I argue back my points of why I feel like he's going to want.

Your list is your list. That's why you're a shit. I mean, it's your list. But I think it's blasphemy. What does Crypto mean? What does Crypt mean? On 5-5. Crypt.

Crypt. Crypt. Crypt. Crypt. Crypte. I remember Staples. Grave. It means Larry's Cemetery.

Yeah, right. We went from Staples Center to we are in the grave. Come here and watch us lose. Come here and watch us not go to where we are expected to be as Lakers. We are banner people. We hang banners. We hang banners. When I was a Laker fan, I seen banners.

Where did you see those banners? 2010. Were you in the league when they was putting up the banners? No, I wasn't in the league. When the next time you saw a banner in Los Angeles? Hey, like I said, we win banners. And we're expected to win banners. Okay, LeBron's playoff record as a Laker, 32 and 31.

Winning record. Okay, 32 and 31. I don't. Winnershire, right? Age 34 to 41. A winning record. I'm just saying, man, it's just... We just talk of who?

No, no, no. It's not, it ain't nothing personal. I just feel like, dog, the way he did it is the way he did it. We're talking about the way he did it. It's like, it's like you're saying the way he didn't do it. Yeah, because you guys are trying to put him in a box. This is not a box. We're trying to put him beside greatness.

We're not trying to put him beside the greatest ever. That's a box. No, it's not. That is a box. You want to be on top of the box, though. He is on top of the box. No, he's not. I did it my way.

No. I walked through the league. I did it my way. Everybody did it they way. No, they didn't. Yes, they did. Who didn't? Who didn't?

Who? It was controlled. Who? Why Mike ain't leave then? Shit, Mike ain't like the gym? Why ain't leave? What you mean? Why don't play with your friends, right?

Nah, sit here and we're gonna do it my way. He did. If you covered him, right? Am I line? Which time? Why didn't he leave? Are you talking about the baseball? Well, I don't want to-

No, he said why didn't? No, why did he leave? No, why did he leave in 98? Why did he leave? Yeah, I'm not talking about the, We know the other situation. We won't get into that. Okay, thank you.

Because. Getting his pocket for him. Gary Krauss wanted to hire a college coach named Tim Floyd from Iowa State, and they were going to push Phil Jackson out the back door. And Michael said, if he's gone, I am walking into the sunset, I am retiring, and he retired for the three back years of his prime. From 35 to 38, he retired. I would say that works against Michael.

Okay. I would say, I'm going to the whip. I would say if we're going to penalize LeBron, for leaving. We have to penalize Michael for not staying. Well, for retiring? Yes.

Because you could have played. You didn't want to fight to play with this young coach who you could prove that you can win with him too. It's the same metric. But Kraus wanted to chair the team down and rebuild it.

No, it ain't. Same metric. That ain't the same metric. Because you're retiring, not because you're done with the game it's because you don't get what you won't. No, it ain't because I get what I want because I'm not fend to play

for a college coach. When I didn't won six championships, you're not going to bring a college coach in here where he ain't never coached in the NBA. Or ever, that should. But that's happened with LeBron's names on many different occasions. So when LeBron, he's had coaches,

like Black came in, Tyrone Loo, he had to play with them guys. They wasn't. They wasn't. Championship guys. Like, he did that. College. They came from college?

T. Liu came from college? T. Liu came from international. He could come from college. He came from college. He came from overseas. He said, he don't even know English. He didn't even know English. See, he was he, hey, so was he coached.

Am I like, was he a fucking, hold on. Was Bledder horse train in motherfucking Europe? Or was he a coaching professional basketball? Professional, but. So therefore he was a fucking professional basketball coach, not a college coach. So y'all just talk. We just talk. I mean, shit, if you're going to play ball, play ball.

Yeah. LaBron Grasier. Put whoever I call. Play ball. Play ball. Play ball in Cleveland, man. That's the difference. You want to play ball, play ball in Cleveland.

Don't go to Miami. That's fine. Don't go to Miami. I went back to Cleveland and I got to none. Man, listen, because I'm the greatest, I can do what I want. In your words, play ball. We are playing ball. We are.

Why do you leave? And I went down there and I went with Eric Sposso, who was a rookie coach, too. What's the difference? I mean, shit, everybody I'm winning was a rookie coach. What are you talking about? It don't matter. Damn near a college coach. Damn near a college.

You're talking about David Blatt. You're talking about David Blach. It's actually worse. It's a film nigga coaches. Thank you. Thank you. Is it? Yes.

Yes. Yes. In the NBA setting. Yes. Yes, bro. You can fight that, K. Being in a whole organization from the time you started. You're the film guy.

You're the film guy. You only know the grade of the film, bro. You only know DVD, VHS. Hey, look, do I film this angle or that angle? You don't know shit about X's and O's. Did Florida end up coaching in the end up coaching in the NBA? Yeah.

And how did he do? Terrible. And the guy that started in the film room, how did he do? Which one? Eric Bolstrel. He did really well. He did really well, right?

He had a great teacher in Pat Riley. But he was in the NBA system already, right? He was. He didn't come from college and have to NBA everything to learn. Did he not get? No. He got blessed by a great coach and Pat Ryan.

And learn from him in that system where he started watching NBA film and breaking down NBA sets, film, dialogue, everything that has to do with NBA, this man is putting it together. Y'all didn't been in film. Y'all walked by the film. Y'all watched NBA film before, right?

Mm-hmm. You watched NBA film before. Mm-hmm. That dude had to do the job, right? Mm-hmm. He did a lot, didn't he? Mm-hmm. So he's pretty smart on how to break this shit down.

So you're talking about... Wait, hold on. Wait, hold on. That's like saying we're going to have one of them things back there, go back there and be at B. fucking NBA coach because they out here watch the fucking. Like you're talking about you're a YouTuber motherfucker.

Hey, you're going to take a dig off YouTube and be like, coach my team because you've been breaking down highlights for the last 10 years. In the last movie. You're in the shit and you being a part of it. Hell no. You get a motherfucker breaking down film in here. It ain't the same thing. I'm going to tell you, you're a basketball and college the same thing.

Who? Europe, Europe basketball and college basketball. Is it a pro? It's the same thing. Is it the pro? It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's the same thing.

It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. Zone. So is the team move the ball? Zone, move the ball, run your plays. So the team that you went to play for in Europe when you went out, right? Behind the team name, did it say university?

No, it said Romer. So it's that fucking same thing, the- The teaching is basically the same fucking thing. How are you going to tell? I played there. I played over. It's the same. It's the same college.

So when Phil Jackson got his first job with Chicago Bills, Chicago Bulls, Chicago Bulls, when he got that, that job, you know where he coached before that? Puerto Rico. Okay. Pros? Puerto Rico.

Semipro. Semipro. Key word in that phrase, motherfucker. Pro. Semite professional. Them guys in Puerto Rico can't beat a college team. They couldn't beat your team. They couldn't beat the Cincinnati Mariccats.

The Cincinnati Caracas were better than Pepper Diaz in Puerto Rico. Professional athlete versus college student. athlete, professional athlete, student athlete, ain't the same motherfucking thing. By the way, Phil won a CBA championship before. CBA, a great thing. And is that a coach? So you're saying basically,

CBA a college team? It is a Continental Basketball Association. So you're saying that NBA players should not play with guys who don't have coaching experience. Who said that? I'm asking you. No, no, NBA. NBA, no, I'm saying coaching experience,

peer, never coached before. Who said that? If you've never coached before, you're saying that, that, that coached. shouldn't be coaching. Who said that? No, he's saying bringing Tim Floyd in from the college level. Was a mistake.

It was a mistake. Like, Michael Jordan, not fucking with it. But then they brought him. So if it wasn't Tim Floyd and there was somebody who didn't have even college experience. Just somebody like, hey, listen, man, he was the front office guy over here. He was actually the assistant ball boy like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jemal Mosley. Uh, uh, uh, Jemal Mosley didn't coach in college. He didn't coach no fucking where.

He was rebounding the ball when we were. We were shooting that shit. He was with Tim Gergerich in the summertime. He got a fucking coaching job. Which team? Which team was he doing all this shit for? Does it matter? Yes.

He wasn't coaching. He was rebounding. No, I could tell you what he was doing because I was there. Was he not rebounding? He was on the different nuggets with us. I could tell you what he was doing. He was developing players. Was he doing a scout report?

What he was doing? He was developing players of what he was doing. So that's better than a college coach who's actually coaching college players and develop know how to talk to guys, know how to run plays, know how to formulate a scouting report, know how to run a practice,

know how to get on the road and articulate a fucking itinerary. You have experience. And guess what facts are? Those experiences of him being developing players, the same guy that we're talking about, guess we ended up

as NBA head coach and Jamal Moser. So all that shit where did Tim Floyd end up? Tim Floyd end up. Tim Floyd ended up with the Chicago Bull. And how did he do in that role? How did Jamal do?

He fucking just got fired. He had more success in the Floyd. He just got fired. Yeah, Morrison said and Tim Floyd. He just got fired. He had more than Ted. Way more than he had the same success. He had more than Tim Floyd.

Same success. They didn't win shit and they both got fired. Okay, cool. Oh, now that's the metric. He came from college and didn't do shit. Man, I got more experience than you and we both got fired. Who got more experience? Tim Floyd.

Oh, he did. Yes, he did. He coached in college. Jamal coached. USC. Jamal coached in the U.S.C. He didn't coach that fucking Camden. He didn't coached at Lehi.

He coached at USC. Not yet. He hadn't been there yet. Yeah, I'm about saying, because he recruited me at USC. I'm going to be honest. I did not expect Tim Ford's name to come up in this episode today.

So therefore. They hired JJ Reddick. And? He didn't coach college or nothing. That is true. He was fucking commentating. He ain't got no fucking experience. And LeBron could have been like,

I don't want to. The coached from Florida. Hey, and LeBron could have been like, I don't want to fuck Billy Donovan. And why didn't he? Because I'm a hoop. I'm a hoop. Because LeBron's been playing with the coaches who don't have experience. But Michael Jordan has an a astro critique for leaving and not playing.

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. LeBron is, give me any coach. Come on, man, we're going to figure it out. Where did Mike Brown coach at? He coached the Lakers? We're going to figure it out. Okay.

Because with my winning shares, I'm that. So T. Lou was anybody, right? So T. Lou was just anybody? At that time, yes. So did he not have a championship on the ring? As an assistant coach? As a, wait, as assistant coach or playing? Did Tyloo, did Tyrone Loo not have a ring already?

Where at? Boston. Hmm? You're talking about sitting on the middle of us? Oh. Yeah, he was just anybody that LeBron had to win with. I mean, yeah, I mean, yes, yes, you're somebody new. You're in my kingdom.

Therefore, it ain't just give me anybody. It ain't just give me anybody. They gave you to, Black. David Black, that's anybody. Oh, now y'all just in the... That was a anybody. That's a anybody. That's definitely an international anybody.

Let's go get black. So they gave you a coach that's coached. So let's hear me out now. So you're going to bar. Hold on. What style of play did the NBA try to adapt? The European style of play? Yeah, right?

So what did the Cleveland Cavaliers try? They went and got a guy from over there to try to implement that style of play with the NBA was adapting. That's not. But the case, the cap said, I'm going to give you the European, Tim Floyd, and Bronstant. I will stay. Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to Washington. And then he got him fired. You know, guys, after. Then what happened?

Then what happened? Then I get him. What's the guy? He got a lot. He got a time. Yeah. Sitting in a zone? So when they got a guy that knew what he was doing,

and T. Lou had the experience of being on the bench and all that, that's been in the locker room and all that shit already. What did they do? Mike, you didn't go play with Tim Boy, but you'll go play with Doug Collins with with a terrible team. Go play with him. Go play with him. Yeah, go play with him or that's the team that Michael Jordan was drafted to?

No, not drafted to Doug Collins and Washington, bro. Engineers them. Doug Collins and Washington. That was business. Didn't Brian get to the finals with Mike Brown? That was a business move. That was a business move. That was a business move.

Oh, now it was business. It was. All right, well, then everything is business there. Well, then everything is business then. That's a fact. That's not. That's not. If it's business, no, listen, if it's business, that's fine.

Well, then stop putting that shit on Ron about the business. who he made to go to Miami. Ownership. He was a business move. He was a business move. And he was a business move. And for him were the owner. And for him.

And for him. Abe Pollen. Yep. Mr. Ownership. He had. Abe was like, I need you to lace these things up.

Give me. If shit. going to be business. Then Gil came in and stopped all of his wizard's merchandise. But it was also. He still has in this house today. We're bringing Tim Floyd in. And we're getting real.

Hey, Mike, what you're going to do? And business wise, I'm not coming back. So, don't, so I'm not coming back. Is there a such thing as bad business? and LeBron did, Mike did bad business. And bringing Tim Florida in for Phil Jackson, and guess what?

Bad business. He was already mad because he wasn't playing with him. Bad business. LeBron ain't never done bad business. Bad business. Huh? Go wherever I want. I win.

How's that bad business? Well, speaking of winning, you all win when you download the Underdog app and use code Gil. But let's move on. Transition Joe. Let's wrap up today with our playoff picks. Powered by Underdogs Prediction Markets.

Here are the updated standings for reference here. Damn, I got a loss. Damn, I got a loss Shot 35-26 Does that bring me up a little That brings me up No, we're still in the same boat

No, I got way more wins You got who way more You got way more losses than wins You got five more losses than If you lose again If don't count When you lose again Okay, Mr. Technical ass

When you lose again You still gonna have Hey, when I win again You still gonna have more losses It's gonna be 32 and 22 But you still don't have the losses. So I just, I'm just hired because I won more. So I have more wins.

You still have more losses. More wins. Still in first place. I'm at the top. I'm sitting in first place. More wins. No games tonight. I'm at the top of that.

So what does that say? Playoff. What's that? It says leader. What does that mean? Leader. The leader of the board. Okay.

Of that board, right? I'm the leader of that. You got to catch up with your games because I got more games than the has everything to do. It has everything to do. You've been not playing. But we have. You've been not playing.

Two games Friday. So when you play, you lose, I win. Thank you. 32 and. Me and Brandon, been playing. 32 and 31. Me and Brandon. We've been playing.

32 and 21. And I've been winning. Got a better winning percentage. By the way, I'm the goat, right? Because I'm four and six. My win share. My win share. I did it.

Oh, yeah. I got more win shares. Yeah. Oh, six. Skip. I got more win shares on the board. Four and six. It gets you there.

It does. I'm the goat. The goat, baby. It's over. Yeah. I started the show saying this. I will end the show saying this. Can we all just get along?

Whatever you're listening, whoever your goat is. We all love basketball. We all love the basketball community. But we have no game tonight. Two games Friday, though. It's big whack for that. Yeah.

It's all good. Why the other game guys? Oh, so can we make our picks right now? Get some rest. You can make your picks. We got. Pistons, Caves, Game 6. Game 6.

This Friday. Potential closeout game. Boom, whoa, whoa. This is tricky. I'm going with pistons. You think it goes up? I'm going with a Pistons game since. Skip who you think is winning?

Do you realize every game I've picked so far is involved in Detroit Pistons? All those Orlando crazy games. And now this, I already, I'm on record. Cavs landed. Yeah, he's done with the Pistons. Yeah. Who are you rolling with?

Unfortunately. Be careful. Be careful. Think about it. I've got to go with Cleveland, man. Yeah, he got to make sure he get his win share right. He don't want a stray. Because then he's going to lose.

They went at home. He ain't gonna take his real pick because he don't want to lose that spot because I'm- No, they don't lose at home so I'm going with the team that ain't lost at home in the playoffs yet. Shot-ho.

That's the fucking logical pick. Shot-to-taking the calf. I'm taking a logical pick. We just got one pistons. Mm-hmm. So let's talk. Now Spurs, Timberwolves. Game six as well.

Spurs. Everybody had pistons. Yeah, we all lost. We picked the pistons last night. Yeah, we all lost. They picked the pissing up the count. I know you're fucking up the count. Somebody fucking up.

Somebody's been fucking up the goddamn count. Somebody's fucking up the count. I know it. Because I know I got 35 wins. That count looks suspect, bro. I know I got 35 wins. For sure. That shit looked crazy.

I know I have more wins. I'm like, how to fuck. Well, we all can tell you. You got more wins, I got more wins, nigg. I know I got more wins for sure. All right, so what we got? Um, Spurs and, Burrs Timberwolves Game Sex. In Minnesota.

Close out. Minnesota. Spurs with 3-2 lead. Got something to prove. Who, Minnesota? San Antonio. Shott, taking the Spurs Canyon, who are you? Send a video.

Send a... San Antonio. Just pick what I pick. Because the one game when we got kicked out, the motherfuckers barely won. So I'm going San Antonio. Hey, Mr. Jennings. Spurs. Alien.

I'm going the alien. Oh, wow. Yep. All right here, man. the way that feel. Well, go again, what, pick, men or something? I don't even like the way that feel. I don't even like the way that feel.

But switch your picket. I don't even like the way that feel. Y'all are trying to jinx it. That's what I feel. On that note, again, let's end the beef. All right, everybody come together. We can all get our numbers without beefing with each other.

Ain't no beef. We just talking who. Everybody else talk of other shit. We're talking what we see, what we like, and what we feel. And this is it. Everybody can clash with it. You know, Mike mentions go crazy.

go crazy. These motherfuckers hate me. Just for me not liking who they like. It's okay. Shout out to everybody in the chat. Shout out to everybody on this couch. Shout out to our amazing crew. This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa! We will see y'all next week.