Gil's Arena - The Knicks' UNBELIEVABLE Comeback STUNS Gil's Arena

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

The New York Knicks' UNBELIEVABLE Comeback STUNS Gil's Arena as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to the Knicks pulling off the greatest comeback in NBA Finals history as they erased a 29 point deficit to stun the San Antonio Spurs in Game 4 of the NBA Finals and give their biggest takeaways from one of the greatest NBA Games ever. They break down how OG Anunoby delievered one of the most memorable shots in Knicks history and debate who is most to blame for the Spurs' epic collapse after De'Aaron Fox attempted a bone headed layup in crunch time and Victor Wembanyama wilted in the 4th Quarter. After recapping the best game of the NBA Season they react to OKC Thunder GM Sam Presti clapping back at the flopping narrative surrounding his franchise superstar Shai Gilgeous Alexander and debate if the leader of the Thunder is spitting or tripping with his comments on SGA. Finally, they discuss LeBron James' impending free agency where the Golden State Warriors are quietly emerging as a top suitor, allowing LeBron to team up with other aging legends like Steph Curry & Draymond Green to chase one more ring. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:00 Knicks Pulls Off Unbelievable Comeback 0:05:54 The Knicks Incredible Clutch Gene 0:50:17 Who Is The Finals MVP? 0:55:56 Should the Knicks trade for Giannis win or lose? 1:06:22 De'Aaron Fox Bricks Game Winning Layup 1:28:23 Knicks Fans Egg Wemby 1:50:09 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thrilling evening for some. Disappointing for others. You know we're gonna get into it. It might take the whole show, I'm gonna be honest, but it's gonna be worth it. What else is there to talk about? You know. Can y'all put the rundown together? I thought other things just the case, but...

I dig it. Y'all never let me down. We stay in with some main topic. But this is Gills Arena presented by Underdog Woo-Woop. I'm merely an award-winning host, Josiah Johnson, and we're joined by NBA Champion of the World. Swaggy Pete, Nick Young. An interesting jersey you have this way. Can you explain to the people what the Knicks jersey is?

This is like Bronson and OGD yesterday. That's a one? It's 11. It's 11. Oh, okay. It's 11 and 8. It's 11. Yeah.

Putting their jerseys together. It just is too close. Damn. Yeah. See the Nexus Swaggy. You represented Tough Crowd. Tough Crowd University, Tough Crowd Golf, card carrying country club member,

Mr. B, Brandon, Jenny. In this economy, you got more eggs from Winby? Soccery Blue. My head's thawdies at somebody today. Make an alma. Man, so much. We will talk about

that moment, amongst others, on this show today. We got one of the biggest legends in the sports media games. Skip Bayliss back in the building. One of those days, That a team goes through. On this side of the couch, we got the single gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Canyon Martin.

Back to it. What's that in there, Mike? And last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry, NCAA Champion of the World Dr. Rashah McCants, PhD. Finish him. Do it? Okay. I'm not three today. No, that was easy, though. New meaning in the cemetery.

Sherrod, did you get sufficient sleep last night? No. You're wrestling? I can tell you. It was quick. It was a long night. We got a lot to discuss. Here's what's cracking in Gil's Arena today.

The Knicks came through with the biggest comeback in NBA Finals history to take a 3-1 series lead. We look back on one of the greatest games in NBA finals history. And if we have time, we'll talk about Thunder GM Sam Presley clapping back at SGA haters over the foul. Bating narrative. Is he spinning or tripping? We might not talk about it. Y'all know how we get down here. And LeBron said to be a free agent for the first time in nearly a decade. But should he take a discount to join forces with Steph? Try to keep their championship window alive, we will discuss if we can.

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wherever you get your podcast, but you might as well watch the show live with us on YouTube. You miss all the great reactions, especially the ones that we're going to have today. So the Spurs got their first finals winning game three Monday, guided by a dominant performance by Wemby. San Antonio snapped the next 13-game playoff win streak, giving New York their first loss in the past 46 days.

Road team had won the first three games of the finals twice in NBA history. Never happened four straight times. Trump wasn't in the building for this one, but one of his biggest ops, Taylor Swift, was, as the NYPD kept the heightened security measures at MSG causing James Dolan to cancel a watch party outside of the arena due to permitting issues limiting the number of fans that could attend.

It did not matter, though. Game four felt like a must win for both teams, and for the overwhelming majority of this one, the spurs looked poised to even the series, jumping out to a 29-point-second-half lead, and leading by 20 early in the fourth quarter, But the Knicks came through with a historic comeback to take a commanding lead in this series. Let's take a look at the highlights.

This is going to be a very, very long highlight, ladies and gentlemen. A lot of things to get into. Spurs looked like they were going to put the Knicks to bed early. Another dominant first quarter, San Antonio jumped out to a 2210 lead, connecting on five of their first three-point attempts, hit six three-pointers in that first quarter. The most had hit all season in the quarter. Wimby and Devin Vassell combined for 25 points in the first frame with Fasel going to three for three from distance. Meanwhile, New York struggle to find their offense. They were five for 17 from the field in that first period. Spurs shot a staggering 65% and 60% from three in the first frame. I'll score the Nix 41, 22, the 19-point lead, the largest first quarter lead by a row team in the NBA finals history. Spurs have had double-duty leads in each of those first quarters. They continue to pile it on in the second quarter with a balanced scoring attack with four players and double figures. Knicks trailed by as much as 29 in that second frame. Their largest deficit this postseason, Spurs shot 60% from the field,

54% from three, setting a finals record with 14 threes in the first half. Their 76 points was the most in the first half by a team in NBA finals history, and their 27-point lead was the largest by a road team in NBA finals history, excluding the 2020 bubble playoffs, which we all know the Lakers won, the Harder Championship NBA history. Spurs increased early to 29 with a little over nine minutes remaining in the third quarter, but then it all came crashing down as a lot. Knicks looked like a completely different team in the second half.

New York held the Spurs of 14 points on four of 20 shooting in that third period while going on a 13-0 run to cut the deficit to 16 with under six minutes remaining. Nix outscored the Spurs 26, 14 in the third quarter trailed by 15 heading into that final frame. In the fourth quarter, New York kept on rolling, going on at 24 run, a 20-to-four run, thanks in large parts of plays like this. Jose Alvarado representing the New York native. This is a tough shot. Cat said meow.

Got some fourth quarter points for the first time in this series. O.G. Ananobi. He's from London. London. Hit that three to cap off that 20 to four run. Cut the deficit with a four with a little over four minutes remaining. Spurs pushed their lead back up to seven. But Jose Alvarado and Jalen Brunson came through a back-to-back threes.

Brunton hitting this one in Wimby's Grill to make it a one-point game. Josh Hart, Josh Hart had the change to put the news. To put the news. Knicks up one, but he ewing the layup with under two minutes to go. Could have been the biggest blunder in Nick's franchise history. Wimby had a chance to extend the Spurs lead to six with two free throws. Lay trick, lay brick for both of those. Jalen Brunson hit the floater to give the Knicks their first lead of the game.

Then Castle fouled by Josh Hart. Put the Spurs back up one. And then one of the most questionable plays the game, Brunson, trying to give the Knicks the lead back. Missed the shot. Deerrin Fox ends up with it. Some say he could have dribbled out the clock, ladies and gentlemen, he tried to go for the lab, but blocked by OG. Deer and Fox Files saved them from a potential backcourt violation by Alvarado. And then on the Knicks' final possession, OG came through with the tip-in, scene round, the basketball world. Give the Knicks the lead

in front of Ben Stiller, Fat Joe, and others. Josh Hart, saved the day. He delivered the defensive stop on Safon Castle to seal the Knicks win. Look at Madison Square Garden, ladies gentlemen. Look at the people. That's how an arena is supposed to look. Knicks came through with the largest comeback in NBA finals history to take a commanding 3-1 lead in the series.

Here was the post-game reaction from both sides. He got a good look, and I just crashed and went for the ball. You make it sound so easy, but tell me what's going through your mind as it's all unfolding. Just do whatever it takes to win, you know? I mean, our thing is- I love you, man. I think it's crashing the glass, and second chance's opportunity, so I just try to make a play. O.G., how did this happen? You guys were down 29.

How did this happen? We're resilient, you know, we never give up. You know, it's a gamer runs. They went on early. We knew we were going to go on our old runs, so we could stay with it, kept pushing. Can I really explain it right now. I don't know. I think it's just, I mean, execution, greediness, some sort. We clearly want the most hungry in the second half. Victor, obviously this is very painful. What's going through your mind right now?

What's going through my mind right now? I think it's going to go one or two ways. One of two ways. And a bad one and a good one, and I know the bad one would be giving up. The good one would be getting stronger through this, getting more together, and I know this is what we're going to do. What was going through your mind that you walked off the floor? I don't know about the emotions, but it was painful. Of course, it feels like we're missing. We work too hard and give up our leads, you know, just as simple as that.

It just hurts. I don't know if there's a play bigger than any other play in the history of Knicks basketball. So Burns and finished. with a game high 36 points on 12 or 25 shooting along with seven assists. O. G. Ananoby, playoff career high 33 points. 10 for 15 from the field, seven for nine from deep, including that game winning tipping. Cat was the only other Nick and double figures, 13 to 10 boards.

Victor, Wimbenyama. The Spurs with 24 points, 13 rebounds, and three blocks. Nine for 25 from the field. Three of 14 in the second half. Dylan Harper, 21 off the bench. Darren Fox and Devon, Devin, Selle, both had 18. Nick's Trail by 17, with less than nine minutes to go. entering this game, teams were 096 when trailing by 17 points in the final nine minutes of regulation in the past 35 years.

Nix made that one in 96 outscoring the Spurs 32-11 over the final nine plus minutes of the game. Spurs were two for 11 shooting in that time frame. Nix got their fifth 20-point comeback winning the last two playoffs. So we had a coin toss before the show started. The Nix fans won the coin toss elected to defer to the second half so they wanted to Let's start with you, Cemetery, Larry. What were your biggest takeaways from the Knicks of Story? Comeback win over the Spurs in game four.

I think what everybody else would think is just disappointment immediately. 30-point lead, you can't give that up. It's a lot of coaching involved. I think we can all point the finger at Darren Fox, not dribbling the ball out. Wimby's two free throws. To keep your foot on the gas mentality, that you have to have when you're up.

And it's a game of runs and you gotta sustain. I think we just lost all composure. Especially when you're on the road like that, the energy's up. You can see how a team could lose their edge and they lost their edge quickly. Brunson did what he was supposed to do. O.G. came up.

I think that's the one guy. Since Bridges is not gonna show up this series, it's gonna be O.G. And I love what he's bringing to the table. He's hitting big shots, making big plays. Spurs didn't show up. Accountability, we take the L, you gotta take the L because it's nasty, but I ain't gonna fight back. You're just dead? You have decided to concede?

I will. I'll take my L's, when I get them. Have you laid down the spike back shots? No, no, no. Okay, still holding the spike back? I'm gonna go down, swinging now. Still swinging. Can you let's shift over to you, former New York Nick, man of the people,

seeing you clapping back at unruly fans during the watch party last night. not. Never wanted to tolerate any disrespect in any wayshay before? Yeah, the game was out of control when that was going on. That was down like 25 when I had time. You had time, but then? Yeah, when the game got good, yeah, I locked

in, man. What are your biggest takeaways from the Knicks? Historic. Comeback when overcame a 29 point deficit in front of Taylor Swift to take a 3-1 series lead over the Spurs. Yeah, it's funny that Rashar presented that question yesterday. And,

And how would the Knicks respond if they got down 20 in the first half? And now we see how they will respond. I said I don't think they would quit and they did not. Yeah, you don't get to the finals, man, and having to quit in you. So they, and you don't win that many games in a row and not having to quit in you. So this game was a microcosm of that. they display togetherness, they display toughness, mental toughness, physical toughness. And on the other side, the Spurs, they played not to lose that game instead of to go win it.

You got this team down big, you know they're going to keep fighting, so you have to approach it and come with the same kind of tenacity that you did to start the game with. And I said at halftime, like me and Brandon was saying, and I said yesterday during the watch party that the best thing the Knicks got going for them and the worst thing that got happened was halftime, right? So halftime happened. Nix got a chance to regroup and the Spurs kind of let off the gas in the second half. And the Knicks just kept plugging away, plugging away, plugging away. It made it a game. and OG and Ninobe man

I was saying that throughout the course of the game he is keeping this thing as close as it can possibly be he kept that thing afloat during the course Jalen Brunson was solid throughout the game but OG made timely shots 7 for 9 from 3 10 15 from the field man he played outstanding

and not to mention the block that he had on Deering Fox because they would have had to file if the Aaron Fox would have driven out, they would have had to file. So, yeah, it's, it was a, it was a brain fart on his behalf. But the game was, it was historic, right? We all know what the final, when you up big, that big in the playoff game, especially in the finals game, you have to put teams away.

The Knicks kept fighting. The crowd got back and got involved in the game, because they were sitting on their hands for three and a half quarters, right? Spurs was in control of it, man. But it was a good game to watch. It was a good game to be able to do what we're doing right now, to be a part of it, to give our two cents on the things that we see and the things that's going on.

But, yeah, man, it was a must-win for both teams, like I said yesterday. And the Spurs came out as such, and the Knicks kept fighting as such. And the Knicks came out on top. So that's on the Spurs to regroup. Knicks down 27 at halftime. Then the Wu-Tang Clan performed from the slums of Shaolin. Some say Wembe should have went to that Shaolin instead of the one in China. He did not.

He did too. He found out about the slums of Shaolin. Wutang Clan strikes again. But Swagg, let's move on to you. Brunson. Go New York. Go New York. Go!

Oh, you like that? beat, V, O-G. You got to put some longer shorts on. No, they should have put some longer short song last night. Come in here. Daisy Duke song, twerking on the couch. Look at that boy. That's what we do.

Baby, this is how we live in New York, son. It's this shit together, man. Y'all figure that out yesterday, son. Word to bunk, son. Word to bunk. Yeah. Hey, Lord, hey, God. You see what happened?

29 point lead. Oh, man, I'm going to be watching this on 30 for 30 with my son in like 10 years. I'm like, I've witnessed this, son. Back in the day, they had a 29-point league. Now they got a documentary. It's crazy, man. I love it. I love what, but I never really counted the Knicks out because they did something like this against the calves.

Down 22 in that 40-40. So I just kept saying they get it down to 10. they got a change. If they get it down to 10, they got a chance. And it was coaching. It was coaching, I felt like, too. The fact that you could take out Bridges and play Avarallo just basically the whole second half down there.

Bridges wasn't giving you nothing. Averado came with some energy. Mike Brown was searching for energy, searching for somebody to, you know, to spark something. And I think Averarillo did that. Shout out to my corners. Corner for freedom.

OG. OG, he got a dope statue coming. We're going to see this on many finals. You know, when they start the finals, before the finals start the video, the Michael Jordan pulled back on Russell. You're going to see OG flying. The OG tipping, the tipping scene around the world.

It's going to be a great statue outside of the garden. They just bawled out. Brunson, Brunson was like, I'm the face of the league. Sorry. He said what? Sorry, Winby. Sorry, I know they cheat for you.

getting towns and foul trouble reversing fouls like that was crazy like they was trying hard the league was trying very hard you revert a foul that was crazy and it's they say towns you get in foul trouble get your ass out we ain't gonna put wimby out the game after all that after all that brunson came down step back miss oh gee that was easy beat deep deep O-G. And, you know, Sam, the young coach, you kind of, you know, come down. Hey, man, he ain't got the experience. Everybody not popped sometimes, you know.

He fucked up. You can't say he's not a good coach, he got him. But the lack of experience show a little bit. You try to, and you can't blame everything on Fox that last play. You can't try to blame Fox for that being up 20, being up 29, and you're going to blame the last play On Fox. At three turnovers. Being up 29, you're going to blame the last play on Fox.

Yeah, three turnovers on. It don't matter. We up 29. 29. But what was up? It was up seven and you turned it over three times. He was up, what, four and you, two and you missed two free throws. You can blame a lot of it on.

Yeah. I'm just saying. And it's supposed to be your star. Y'all, second-run the MVP. Y'all don't want to blame Winby, huh? He had, what, four-point free throws? He missed two free throws. He had four points in the fourth quarter.

Yeah, and he didn't have enough points. Four points in the fourth quarter. And we're going to blame Fox? I think five points, right here? Huh? I think women you have five, but neither here nor there. Four, five, and it don't matter. It still is one more point than four.

It don't matter. They lost by one, right? So he should have had more than one. One for four from the free throw line in that fourth quarter. How many? One for four. From the free throw line? And me you blame it Fox.

Is that the late choke? Yeah. Okay, Leachoke. Okay, Leichoke. Socrade blue. Let's move on. I have a body bag on work next Monday. Suzanne Money.

I'm going to sit on top of the couch like you did. Yeah, be like me, Nick. Let's shift over. Be like me. To Mr. B. Be like me, Nick. Yeah, lost. You like me, Nick.

Yeah, lost. Mr. B, supporting the B not in the playoffs, but supporting the bucks, nonetheless, Mr. Bucks and six. Also, former Nick. That shit on. Hmm? Former Nick.

Brandon Jen. How the fuck that got to do with the days? You, man. I got to meet. I got to see what's going on with Yonnis. Mr. Bita saved the day. But the biggest takeaways from that Knicks, historic win, epic meltdown by the Spurs. It was ugly early for the Knicks.

Cat got two fouls in, like the first, what, 65 seconds. Mike Brown, he played 12 players in like 14 minutes. So he was trying to find anything or anything to get him going. The Spurs, they came out on five. fire, man. They were on fire. They did what they needed to do in the first half. When Wimby did this, he was in his head. Right after that moment, Wimby went forth for 18 and 19 from that. Mitchell Robinson player. Yeah, for that moment. But you gotta give it to Avarado too, man. I think the adjustment with Mike Brown bringing Avarado in, being able to bring in a second

ball handler to make sure that Brunson is not being guarded 94 feet, I think helped him out a lot. It won't probably show up in the sketch stat sheet, but he was plus 11. I think that was the first time playing together. Yeah, since the whole series, so that that was big. Then you got OG who saved the day for Josh Hart. I mean, also, I mean, we can, you know, if Josh Hart missed the layup, he didn't box out, so it was a lot of things that OG did to where, you know, also said that he was going to be the X factor in this series and he's been showing it.

And then just to no adjustments, man, just to no adjustments from the Spurs, no leadership, being down, you know, we can blame D. Fox all we want. But, you know, that's on the coach, too. You know, Dylan Harper, he was doing this thing. He was eight for 12. I don't know, you know, why he wasn't in there doing, you know, being able to get shot. So it's a collective thing. You know, you can blame it on Wimby free throws, the coaching, everything.

But the series is over. You know, they needed to win that game. That was a big meltdown. I mean, they're young right now. This team will be back, though. But this is a, it's going to be a long summer. And it's, you know, I think, you know, they're creating some villains over there, man. These young boys are going to be back, but this one is over.

Villain origin story, Dylan Harper, I don't think, didn't take a shot for the last 10 minutes of the fourth quarter. Yes. Which is wild. But let's move on to former Spurs fan, current Oklahoma City Thunder fan. Yeah. Skip, baby, let's skip. Seeing a lot of basketball.

What were your, what's your reaction to the Knicks? I'm going through with a historic comeback win to take a 3-1 lead. By the way, speaking of your bucks and Janus, Kenyon made an extraordinary point yesterday. I had not thought about Janus to the Knicks next year, win, lose, or draw in these finals. And the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. It got so bad in the first half,

I was thinking maybe they should go get Janus at half-time. Seriously. Because that's, it's like, that's the only way they're going to save themselves. Because if that outcome had held from halftime on, It goes from 76 points in the first half to 40 in the second half. It tied for the greatest decrease, the biggest decrease in points from first half to second half ever in the playoffs since there was play by play. I think it's 1955. Oh, different time.

And Rashad. Many moons ago. Seriously, I think you're going to need an eight-foot body bag before this is over. do because your man in the second half was a disaster. That's three of 14. That's two of nine in the fourth quarter. That's two huge miss free throws with 147 left that you just can't. And in the fourth quarter, you missed three total out of four free throws. In the second half, the alien had zero defensive rebounds. That's impossible. It's just He could just stand, flat-footed, and get three defensive rebounds.

And he had in the second half zero blocks. What? That guy? And I keep hearing, well, he ran out of gas because he played all of but 58 seconds of the second half. But I can make the flip side case. He's 22 years old. And where Mitch Johnson would be on the hot seat is if he didn't play wimby enough in the second half. half. If he sat him for half the third quarter or whatever, he played him, and that happened.

So was he out of gas in the fourth quarter? It's just hard for me to believe a 22-year-old is out of gas. That's just me. Now, to your point about Mike Brown, the gutsyest, shrewdest coaching move I've ever seen in a finals game was with Jose Alvarado because you just don't do that. You can't do that to next point. They'd never played together one minute of their NBA lives. And you throw him out there for 10 minutes in the fourth quarter. And guess what? Did he ever make you look genius? Because he makes all three of his shots and he makes two threes. And they're huge and they come. bam, bam, bam. And they literally, that was the catalyst to the fourth quarter was little Jose Alvarado playing with little Jalen Brunson. It's impossibly great. And in the grand scheme, I have been

doing this for a while. After it ended, I sat back and tried to think if I've ever seen anything more miraculous in my life, my career, I have not. The closest, the closest thing I saw to it was in a Super Bowl game, Brandon and I talked about it before the show. And Tom Brady and company, it's in Houston, Texas. It's a Super Bowl game on a neutral field. They're down 28 to 3,

two minutes left in the third quarter. 28 to 3. But the reason this eclipsed it was that's Tom Brady, who already had four rings thanks to four game-winning drives in fourth quarters of those four Super Bowls

that he had already won. Well, I'm not shocked that he could do that again against that team because it was the Atlanta Falcons coached by Dan Quinn, Matt Ryan at quarterback, and they don't have an alien. The Falcons don't have an alien. They don't have that guy where you say, they did it to that guy? No, they didn't, they were just the Falcons, and these were the Patriots, and the final score was 40, what was it, 42, I'll get it here. It's 34, 24, 28. in overtime. Okay. Now, to the fourth quarter, here's the damnedest part of this to me, after I looked really hard at it this morning. The Knicks won in spite of themselves in the last

two minutes because they did their damnedest to blow this game that they had gotten back in in the last two minutes. If you look hard at this, Josh Hart was on the hook to go down in Nick's infamy because he was an all-time nightmare, not only in the fourth quarter, but especially in the last

two minutes. Josh Hart was. The most dependable Nick. So we start at 157 left. He's got the steel and the breakaway, and he gets out of rhythm, and he's just a lot of pressure, man, and he hadn't done this before. And

As you know, he lost his sort of feet. Like, what am I going to, am I going to dunk it or am I going to lay it in? Am I going to dunk it lay it in at the last second? I think I better, I screwed up, I better lay it in. Smoke it. We call it he smoked it. He smoked it. Off the back iron.

Passed the joint. Okay. All right. So he passes the Wimby. Okay. And that's for the lead and it just takes the heart out of the building for a second. Like, oh, we got the, no, you don't have the lead. Then Wimby did miss the two free throws.

And then it goes back and forth. And now... Either one? The next possession. He didn't make either one of those free throws? No. The next possession. It was the very next possession.

He was the very next possession. Yeah. Because you could go up three there. Yes. Yes. Okay. Then it goes back and forth. But now we got three Knicks possessions in a row.

Think about this. With 38 seconds left, the New York Knicks have a shot clock violation. Well, you can't, you can't, if you've come all the way back from 29 down, You can't do that, right? A shot clock violation? And then the next playdown.

Josh Hart loses his mind, goes completely blank, is in a daze. I don't know what he's doing. He doesn't know where he is. And he does not block out Stefan Castle, who just cuts right up underneath him for the offensive rebound, foul, free throws, swish, switch, right? That's on Josh Hart, man. You can't. The ultimate rebound. Really?

You did that. And then with Josh Hart, I'm going to go down to the last play of the game. Dylan Harper's inbounding. And they ran a smart play to me because everybody thought they'll try to lob it to Wimby, let him try to catch it and dunk it. And they have Wimby go out to the free throw line and pick for Stefan Castle. Now, Stefan Castle to me, we've talked about, he is an angry dunker man. If he gets his two hands on the basketball, he's going to slam it at the buzzer.

And he breaks clean off Josh Hart, who's playing him like outside. He's not behind the pick. He just, he gets smoked, man. He is beaten to the basket by Stefan Castle. And Carl Anthony Towns somehow gets fingertips on Dylan Harper's inbound lob. if the lob is up toward the rim where it was aimed for, we're having a different conversation because he's either going to slam it or he's going to go shoot the free throws to win the game.

And him, he's already convinced me he's going to make those free throws. So that's Josh Hart, Josh Hart, Josh Hart, Josh Hart, and you got away with that. And then the other one you get away with is on the Deer and Fox play. And again, I'm not going to condemn him. your instinct takes over you're one of the fastest players in the league. Is that fair to say? I think he is.

I think especially with the basketball. This is without the basketball, but he's the one who tipped it up the floor. Oh, I mentioned the third possession. Jalen Brunson on the last Nick possession before the tip-in, he tries a shot over Wimby that's just crazy. Like, you can't do that.

And he shoots it up high off the glass and it touches nothing but glass, because it didn't touch the rim, and that's the one Deering Fox tips up the floor, and then he goes and chases it down. So help me out here. It's to the left-handed side of the basket, and he's left-handed.

Now, obviously, in 2020 hindsight, the play is to just go track down the basketball and then just pivot and dribble it out and make them foul. Automatic. Not even thinking about. We're not thinking about the lay-up. You're not thinking about the lay-up.

Okay, but we're up one. They have to foul. They have to foul. But your thing is going to make your friend, bro. If I'm Deeran Fox, I'm an 80% frito. Time is your friend. Okay, I got it. But your ego takes over.

Yes. Your will takes over. You just see basketball. You see left-handed. You see basket. I know what you're going to think. I'm going to go track this down and I'm going to beat him to the basket because I'm fast. No way.

That's the way you thought. Genobley, the same had the same exact. He did. And he ran it. That's just being savvy. It's savvy. As savvy. I understand.

You just run right under. You know Tom and score. You know they got a foul. I can burn a couple seconds just by running this way. All right. But OG, it's almost LeBron-esque with the chase down block. Oh, okay. The chase down.

You know, this is a chase down. I remember that place. Okay. So OG chases them down. But go look at it again. Tell me I'm wrong about this. I just knew the whistle was going to because OG hammers him pretty hard body to body, hip to hip.

He hits him hard. And he might have gotten a little bit of hand on the block. But he got a lot of ball. Any ball on that. It's clean. I don't think you touch any ball on that. Let me see? On the OG.

You know why it's clean? Because they've been letting it play. You got to let that go. It's a hustle play. And it's a dumb play on. It's a dumb play on five. I'm glad that they let it go. But I thought the way Wimby is overprotected, they're overprotected.

I just thought they're just going to blow the whistle and let him go shoot the free throws to win the game. But now we go the other way. And my final takeaway is, I don't know if this is Wimby's call or the coach's call. But in that timeout before the Brunson three attempt, somebody said, Brunson's going to shoot this. and Wimby, I believe Wembe just volunteered and said, I'm going to take him. Because if you go look at it, this isn't a pick play.

This isn't where they switch. On the inbound path... Wembe started on him. He just goes out to guard him. Wemby just goes out to guard Jalen Brunson because he says, I'm not going to let him shoot a three to beat us or a two or whatever it's going to be, a jump shot. He's not going to get a jump shot over me.

Fox ran at him. Okay, Fox was guarding OG. He was guarding OG. He was guarding OG. That's exactly right. And he shades. Can we look at that final play? We have.

We have these clips available. Bruntham was picking on Wimby all for a quarter, though. No, but that particular play, Wimby was like, I got him. He got it. That's D. Foxman right there. That's D. Foxman. You got a box out. Okay.

Left the inbound pass. Wimby watching too. Okay, but Roshad, it's good news, bad news for you because the good news is Wimby did that. He went out there and made him pull up from 30. For sure. That's a 30-foot shot. Short, too.

And it was short. It was online, but it was short. But where is our rebounder? You got a freeway to the... And OG called for the ball after he inbounded. It's like, I'm open for a second. You kick it back. And then once he knows Jaylin's going to pull up, he just bolts.

And there's nobody home. And he gets a free run. And it requires... It's like 1,000 to 1 or 10,000 to 1. I mean, the timing of the play, you got to get the right bounce at the right moment to go up, you know, and it all... This is the tip cat just right there to dunking. Usually it is. Usually it just crashed the glass.

No, he was right in front of the rim. So if he tipped it, no, he's going to tip it right in, trust. But in the end, the Knicks didn't play clean down the stretch, and Josh Hart didn't play clean. And they still won because it feels like it's destined, man. It just, that's who they are. are. Y'all said here last night it was like, here you take it.

No, you take it. Nah, nah, you keep it. Nah, no, no, I don't want it. Now y'all got it, right? That's the way they were playing back and forth, right? That is correct. So, yeah, no, it was that. It was

somebody had to win it, right? And Nick's made the plays, man. I think he gave it away, man. They did. Shit down their leg. Do you think about how you should coach this type of game down the stretch, up 27 and the third, right? If we're going to keep our foot on the gas, we're not going to play the way that we play to get here.

Because that's the way we, essentially how they lost the game. Playing fast, shooting the ball, not making them work on defense. This is sometime for me, I don't say that the Knicks took this game. It was given to you because we didn't make you work on defense while we're up 25. We didn't make every possession count. We literally shot up, jacked up threes to give them quick transition points to come down and take advantage. I consider them turnovers. Bad quick shots with no execution or turnovers to me.

So now you come down on the other end and they're cutting into the lead. They're chipping away and we know it's a game of runs. So you get down 15, you get down 13, timeout, you get down 9. It's like, all right, damn, they're 9. How can we keep it above 10? Now they've chipped into it, got to 5. Now it's New York basketball. At this point, you're dead because you haven't made.

made any adjustments as a coach. Your team is still playing the same way you taught them to play fast and quick, no matter what, we're going to play this way. But when you need to cut down on the lead and you need to cut down on the momentum, you need to start running sets that can calm your team down, take the crowd out of the game with a score, make them call a timeout, show some resilience. They didn't show any of those things. Mitch didn't take any initiative in calming his young players down for the moment

and saying, listen, man, y'all got to calm down. They're going to make runs. We have to respond. There was no responses. Jalen Brunson took advantage O.G took advantage. But look, the Knicks still played like trash. They still played like trash. It wasn't a game that I'm like, man, they deserve that. Y'all let that shit go. Y'all let them come back. They would gladly take it if you're going to give it to them. We'll take this shit. But going back, it's going to be tough. They could have quit. They could have gave up. No, like he said, they didn't. They didn't because they know.

know this window is open for anybody if you keep playing. How do you let that happen? Like, your star is supposed to have at least a post move. Like, you don't keep settling for threes. Like, at one point, somebody got to call for the ball and say, Hey, me the ball right here. That is true. Give me the ball right here.

I'm gonna get it, make something happen. Well, they only had 28 points in the paint. So they're not going to win. He kept shooting threes. Like, he wanted to be this. You gotta get out and try to be in KD. Like, come on. I think Wimby, one for eight in the paint in the second half.

I mean, ever since he said he was in his head, I mean, looked like he was in his own head after that. Yeah. Well, that was Castle, what, only two points to do, the free throw? He was in foul trouble, too, for much of the second half. Yeah, that's why. But still, somebody got... But I still liked the adjustment with Mike Brown would bring up.

Yeah, yeah. That was something I did not see coming, but it definitely took a lot of pressure on Brunson bringing up that ball for 904. It did. It was six points in the fourth quarter. But Alvarado, after that, uh, Wimby playing on Brunson, game three.

Said we're not going to let that happen again. I think he tried to yank Wimby's leg earlier in the game. And I think with Wimby, he's using a lot of his energy trying to play physical. Like if you look at a lot of his, like he's playing a lot of minutes, but he's taking a lot of energy just, like, if you look at some of the plays just physically, like just off picks, just bumping, it. It's just a lot going on. It's like he got to find ways to like, you know, using all his energy.

And he's playing 43 minutes. Like, that's, that's great. He shouldn't be getting beat up that much. Like, he's the only one really taking the beat, not of everybody. He's slapping a lot, too. Listen, he's getting, listen, he's getting beat up. All I'm saying is they got to figure out another way or something. Somebody else got to go out there and do something.

I'm not wrong with that one. I am. No, no, no. Well, we could look at highlights. He could. Every time he's on a floor and people barely touch him. Listen, every time he's in a pick and roll, that one, that one layup that he made when he got pulled down and had to go like this, and like, damn.

He traveled. Come on, let's reverse the call for Wimmy. Like, Wimmy hit everything he wants. And he said, somebody said, we thought Wimby was going to get tired, he didn't get tired, so we can't use that excuse now in the finals. We can't use it in the finals. 29 minutes for game in the regular season has played. Can't use tired and you can't use 22.

Yeah, maybe it is. We can't say he ain't ready for the situation because he's 22. Right. Yeah, right? Because he's, and you can't say because it's his first time. I'm not either. No. Can you do not.

He's supposed to be right now a 30-year-old NBA veteran, 10-time All-Star. He's supposed to be all of that right now so there's no excuses. Okay. I mean, hey, if that's how you want to put it, I got articles of Brown in the finals too at 22. Yeah, but we're going to say that this no excuse. I know, but you want to see what they were saying about him? No, no excuses. He didn't win me right now.

No excuses. No excuse. Are they blaming the 22-year-old LeBron James? Oh, tragic. Tragic. It was a long time ago. My memory. The penalty of leadership.

Yeah, yeah, tragic. They say it was tragic. Like, it was, it was, I'm saying, there's no excuses for Wimby at 22. Yeah. That's why I hear, that's why Nick, Nick can say what he's been saying. Like, he's, okay, so. Lunchtime baller, all that shit. Lunchtime.

He's 22. I mean, yeah. Shorts under the gym. So, Rashad, you said the other day that people should just give it up on Wemby. He's a three-point shooter. That's what he's going to be. He's going to be a, he's going to be a. He's going to be a.

He's going to be a 40- 3-point shooter, right? Yes, for sure. Okay, so I looked this up last night because I was just curious. So the Spurs have now won 12 playoff games this year. They've lost nine, but in the 12 that they won, Wimby shot 47% from 3. That's 27 of 58. That's really good.

In the nine losses, after last night's 2 of 8, he's 11 of 50, which is 22%. So when they lose, they kind of live and die with him from three because he's going to be their highest volume three-point taker. And when he shoots 47% they win, and when he shoots 22%, they've lost nine games. And like I looked at restricted area. He had one big restricted area bunch of baskets, and that was game one against Oklahoma City at Oklahoma City.

It did go double overtime, but he's, scored 12 buckets in the restricted area. That's by far his playoff high. And since then, they've played 10 games since then, he's averaged four buckets in the restricted area. So he goes from 12 in game one at Oklahoma City to four a game down the last 10. And you know what their record is in their last 10 playoff games? Four and six.

You know why that happens, though? Okay. Teams have to make adjustments. Okay. from that game one, 41, 24. He was 41 and 24. Scouting report means

keep his big ass out of the pain. I want to win. So when you allow him to go down there, this is what you're going to see. Okay, but last night, it just screamed for him to just call for the basketball and he can make free throws.

He didn't make him in the clutch, but he's a good free, he's not a good free throw, he's a really good free throw shoe. And he didn't call. for it, man. He didn't say, give me the damn ball. Because, Skip, it doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like, throw me the ball.

I'm open. Yes, it does. Hey, give it to me. I have three people around me. Pushing me, grabbing me, holding me. If I have three people on me, guess who's open? The free throw line's open.

Somebody's open. Somebody's open. Somebody's open. No, I just can't just, okay, yeah, just throw on the ball. Okay, yeah, just throwing the ball because it's seven foot eight. You know all this shit. It's still basketball. I mean, will your team?

I'm just saying, he's seen it. I mean, we got the excuse for all the great. It's still basketball. I mean, will your team, right? Yeah, it is basketball. So you got to play through the system, right? Yeah. Okay.

So when they stop the system, it's up to your coach to reorganize the system. Will your team? We got a new system that we need to put in because they've stopped this. They've stopped it. Oh, you could get stopped that easy? That easy? Yeah. It's the finals, Nick.

What the fuck are you talking about? What that means? So you could get stopped that easy. It was this easy to get here. It wasn't easy to get to the finals, Knicks. It wasn't easy to get to the finals. Your team would be there. Your team would be there.

Your team would be in the finals if it was that easy. You don't need to be talking about them. You don't need to be talking about it. It ain't that easy. It's just the energy just be different though. Man. He can't get the ball. Why can't get the ball to the post?

He got to. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, what happened in game three? What happened in game? game four. He was getting to the, he was getting to the rim easy in game three. It's called adjustments. No, no, no, no, it's sitting in a locker room. What do we? Hey, look, settle for three. Let's lay this back. Hey, look, guys, box him out. Um, get in front of him. You guys fall in love with the queen. Crackdown. We're keeping Wimby out of the paint. That's where his strong suit is. No, this is what we need to execute as a team. No, you guys fell in love with

the three. Just like, you guys shot yourself out the game like Boston. Like Boston to 26 in the first half of leave three of 17 in the second. half. Shooting yourself out of the game. We didn't see Boston do that too, yeah. But they were on fire. Yeah, no, they were. Joe Sight, you're saying two things to the guy who don't even listen to the first

thing you said. First half, great. 14 to 26. What would that, what would you come out in the second half and think that you could? Yeah. So, we're going to keep playing the game that got us here, just like any other team. You just stay stupid. You just keep shooting.

Like, I'm just stupid because we're up. It's 14. What are you? What? Yes, the second half. He said you come out and keep doing the first half were stupid. Nice. But you keep doing it all game?

So you don't make, you don't go down and say, I ain't going to shoot this three this time. I'm going to go right here. I just hit this three in the first half. Why wouldn't I shoot this three, Nick? All right. Yeah, they're going to lose. Why wouldn't I hit, you wouldn't shoot it?

I just missed eight, though. You ain't just missed eight. It's the beginning of the second half. The beginning of the second, you're not going to shoot it. You're right. You hit two in a row. You're not going to. shoot it?

When I go for that second half, though? You missed. Right, and then we kept missing. We kept missing. And I kept missing. And I keep you, like, I'm going to make it now. Okay, now it's like, I'm going to get something in the post. I'm a making it. Hey, yo, how about this?

The next five plays down. How about this? The next five plays down, we're not going to shoot unless it's in the pain. How about that? Damn. Where is it? Well, obviously, we have a lot more discussed on this finals and enthraling game, but let's shift back to the next side for just a moment in just their makeup and their DNA in

in these past couple playoffs. Knicks have now five 20-point comeback wins in the playoffs over the last two years. So I got an interesting note here. They are five and three when trailing by 20 points in the last two post seasons. The rest of the NBA has a combined record of 4 and 71 in that situation. So Skip, looking at this squad, what does a historic comeback win in the finals tell you about this Knicks squad? We saw in the Eastern Conference Finals game one down, 22. Send that to OT, smack the Cavs.

In this series, they've come from double-dial. digits down in the first four games, I mean, including last night. Every first sport. Yeah. It's just all about Jalen Brunson to me. He sets the tone. He gets off to rocky starts. It was another one

last night. And I'm going to say this again. The Spurs are the fastest starting team I have ever seen in the playoffs, and I've been doing this for a while. But they are, they're just extraordinary how they're blowing teams. Like they're now in first quarters in these playoffs, they're plus 1-13.

Against the Knicks, they're plus 47 in the four first quarters. So they're just blowing you off the floor, and then Jalen Brunson finally says, okay, I'm going to do this, and all of a sudden he starts making shots in the third quarter, and he gets in a rhythm, and he figures it out. Oh, I can do this. Tonight, this works for me. and he is the driving force of the Nick's psyche to me. He's the one they trust to get them back on track,

to get them into some sort of offensive flow and rhythm. It's all about Jalen Brunson. And I've never seen him quite like his mindset. I know it's cliched, but you don't talk about refuse to lose, refuse to quit. He just keeps firing, and you, better be careful because these are long games. And if he

catches a rhythm, they can come back from, what was it, 22 down with 7.5 left against Cleveland. And he sets their tone. I don't think he's more than six feet tall.

He's like all heart or all guts or whatever you want to describe it as. That's what he's made of. But he is they. He is he for them. Kenny, I wouldn't like this, another

20-point comeback. I don't know if it's a good thing that you keep getting down 20. Yeah. But to show resilience in those moments, like I've got to quit, to keep fighting,

understand the big picture. It's a game of runs. It's 48 minutes in a game. It's two halves to a game. As we see last night, each half can look different. The Knicks, I mean, the Spurs shot, they were like 68% at one point from the field and 62% from three at one point.

End up shooting low 40s in both overall for the game. So, yeah, it was a tell of two halves. But yeah, it just says something about you as a team to get down 20 and to fight back from that consistently is a good thing, I guess, at times. but to your point, Skip, about Jalen Brunson. I think he tries to let the other guys in the first quarter get involved, right? Like, trying to let them find their rhythm because he knows that the, like, I'm a bald-dominated guy. The way we've been doing it is Kat has been getting involved.

Other guys have been getting involved. And I think that's been a lot of criticism after-game. Yeah, that's been a trend, right? But he's been too ball-dominated early. nobody else is in a rhythm, nobody else is getting off. So I think that's the way that he has been approaching it. So his slow starts, I think, are that. And to the Spurs credit, how they are defending him as well.

You know, so putting Stefan Castle on him really. Last night he got in Faradrador, so they had to make some adjustment, getting Stefan Castle off of him at times, things like that. But I just think he tries to get the other guys going. And then when he realized that's not going to happen, Then he turns it on, really turns it on. He's going to get it throughout the game normally, but as you can see in these finals,

he has really revved his shot selection up, right? Yeah. So I think that's what it is. In order for them to come back from these deficits, he has to be the Littin Brunton of old. And as being ball-dominated at times because you're not getting anything right now from McHale Bridges. No.

Josh Hart is playing okay. He made a huge shot late, but not getting anything for him offensively. Cat is struggling offensively, so he has to be the Jalen Brunson of old. He does. Right? When it's time, I think it needs to happen sooner in game five, right? I think he needs to come out and assert itself in the first quarter because you can't come out and have that trend down there when this team is fighting for their playoff for that season. So I think he needs to get off going earlier and sooner.

But that's just my, that's what I see. Brunton, best shooting game of the finals in this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's talk about 25, right? Yeah, so that's his best, yeah. So gentlemen, it's still the favorite to win finals MVP. OG and NNNO become on strong in these last two games. So for the series, OD's averaging 24 points, four rebounds of still in nearly two blocks per game.

58, 56, 92 shooting splits. Also getting it done on the defensive side. Shot is O.G. Ananoi the real finals MVP through the first four games? We ain't there yet. Cut that shit short, bro. It was 3-1.

We still got time to come back. But let me need the question again. Is O.J. and O'G. Anobie the real finals MVP through the first four games of this series? Nah. Bill Brunson? Yeah. Yeah.

He's contributing. He's a good and dope contributor. Well, it's going ultimately end up what happens. Much more efficient shooting, playing both sides of ball, not getting taken out of the game late in the fourth quarter. The last game. For defensive adjustment. The close-out game going to dictate who get it.

You think? Yeah. I think game one is what Jalen Brunson did in the fourth quarter of game one. Yeah, that too. Oh, gee, here's some big. He did, but Jaylonon Brunson had 13 in the fourth. He had eight. Whoever out of school, whoever in that close-out game,

is gonna get it for sure. I don't know, this is locking. I think it's Jaylon Brunson to lose. I was just about to say. I was just about to say, I think it's Jaylon Brunson's too. I see OG getting some boats, but just had to ask you guys. He had to do some outstanding shit in the final game. So it's just like last year when Jaylon Williams had 40 in one playoff game in the finals game, but Shay was consistent in the one game that Jaylen went out and had 40.

Everybody was like, everybody was like, well, maybe Jaylin can be the finals MVP? He's balling. He's balling, but we know who the award and who has been the most consistent. Yeah. Why they're in the position that they're in now, and that's Jalen Bronson. O.G has held his own, absolutely. The plays he made last night are MVP worthy, yes. But when you have another guy that's been playing consistent through the four games,

no matter what he's shooting from the field, he's willing his team to wins. Yeah. So that's the most important thing. The shot selection and how many shots he's taking is one thing, but those have resulted in so far three wins. But I can make a case that OG had the best half of the finals in the second half. Absolutely. Because he scored, what, 19 on seven.

It was seven to nine three. Yes, seven to nine three. God. 10 to 15 from the field. And a block and a tip in. Like, okay. Can the next beat the San Antonio Spurs without Jalen Brunson scoring 25? plus.

Not, not. Can they beat them without OG scoring 24? No, because O.G.'s X factor. Nope. That's what he's averaging. But even on the defensive side, can they beat them without O.G.'s defense?

I'm saying if there were to be another player like Shamit or Bridges that update production, you wouldn't need O.G.'s 24 Because you would still have Josh Hart giving you eight, Bridges giving you 12, the other guys doing what they're

supposed to do. I'm saying as far as gauging MVP for the finals, like you're saying, the consistent body of work of a Jalen Brunson and of an SGA, that consistency warrants you being the most valuable player on the floor. Because without me doing what I'm doing, we don't have a chance. Like the Knicks don't have a chance. Well, I'm gonna go with OG because I feel like this is the same situation with Boston with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum was averaging everything from points, assists and rebounds and it came down to obviously somebody else who was doing it from both sides of the floor. So he's in the position to be able to get it.

I think game four was a really big game for showing from the defense to stop to coming back getting the tip. Those are big plays too. So right now, I mean, it's a tie. It's kind of a tie, but I'm leaning towards OG a little bit. Really? To be the MVP. Yeah. Neither here nor there, but we asked the chat, our Lusherst chat here on Gills Arena,

who is the finals? B.B. Brunton or OG. Currently, 52% say OG. 48% say Brunton. I think Brunton gets it off name value, spot power. Oh, but it's just right now. It's just because of last... Like you said, it depends on the next game. But that, I mean, that tip in without the 33rd, I'm saying. Oh, what? Like you said, 7 and 9 from...

If there's just a tip in on a 15-point game, we're not talking about. The block and the tip-in, it's fresh in people's mind. Yeah. Plus the 33 point, but the block and the tip-in is what won the game. Yeah, I'm going to say, is that the biggest? Yeah, the block and the tip-in, the play throughout was historic for him, but the block and the tip end were the winning plays for that game,

right? So that's fresh on everybody's mind. It's what everybody's talking about. It's the hot thing going on right now. And, yeah, he deserves all the praise that he's getting right now for game winning plays, right? It's what

the Andreigodala did. He did it. He did a good one. But with scoring, right? With scoring. But Igadala was the NDP. That's what I'm so there, but we all know the engine that was running that was Steph. So it's not. He got the award, yes. Okay, but Iggy wasn't even inserted into the starting lineup until game four.

Yeah, and that's why, and that's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's the point I'm making. It is a good comparison. That's the point I'm making, right? But Iggy's like, I didn't start starting. I mean, they do this. And the notion that he shut that other man down, that man was average historic numbers.

It's not damn crazy. Yeah. So, but that's neither there nor there. But OG is playing great. Iggy average 16.6 rebows in this. Yeah, they are in a position they're in now because of his consistent play as well as Jalen Bronson. So if he comes out and had the same kind of game five and Jailen has the same, I would not be surprised if OG and Ninobe got it. I would not be surprised one bit.

I think you got it. You'll get some. Right now, if I'm having to say it's Jalen Brunson's to lose, but neither hint or that. Jalen Brunson, shall I let me read it for you. Give you one second. So Jalen Brunson, I'm going to read them all for you. He's averaging 30 points, five assists, five rebounds, shooting 40% from the field, 34% from the 3, 86% from the free throw line.

What's he average? Average 27 shots in game. Cool. I'm with that. I'm saying I'm with it. You guys said he needed to be in that 25 to 30 range. Yeah, for them to have a shot. Guess what?

And that's what he's doing, because you're not getting anything from the big fella. And what's OG averaging now through four games? OG, Skip, is averaging 24 points, four rebounds, one steel, 1.5 blocks on 58, 56, 96, 92. 56. 56. Good, great splits. Good, great splits. 50, 90.

No, I hear you. I understand what you say. 60, 50, 90. 55, I mean, 55, 55, 55. about 90s. Yeah. I'm obliged to say yes, you're playing well. Yeah, like I said, it's...

But this is the boat that I'm telling. Yeah, I'm not trying to push narratives. Like I said, if they did, I would be like, alright, they give the jail, I'm like, yeah. That game late in the fourth quarter, they take Brunton out for a defensive possession. For me, it's like, all right, well, oh, G's coaching. Yeah, but it's great coaching, but OG still on the court. He's not...

I'm saying, they did it for other guys as well. He's small statues and he sighed on the... size on the floor, those possessions matter, right? I'm going to call a time out either way and go. The most important thing on the most important thing is the rebounder. But you need Brunson, even that shot, obviously, with the Fox and Wimby on them, you can say it's a bad shot. Smart enough shot, though, to know I've got their best rebounder away from the basket.

So I can make something happen. We've seen a lot of crazy offensive rebound putbacks throughout this. Smart enough shot to know who I am as OG to go get that shit off the glass. Yeah, for sure. Not to stand the seal. This is what I do. He makes that shot. There's no reason for me running to the fucking him.

But we're expecting it to go in. Yeah, he ran anyway. It's Jalen Brunson. He usually makes this shit. He presented himself. But if he misses it, I'll be there to clean it up. You're the clean-up guy. Yeah, but it's a game-winning mentality, right?

It's a winner's mentality. I hope he make it, but I'm crashing no matter what, right? So that's what that play is, right? For sure. Like, I'm crashing no matter what. So he makes it great. Yeah, but we know. Who's the star of the team?

Yeah. We're not saying who's not the star. We know. But that play right there. It doesn't give you everything. Yes, it does. Who's the second best player on the Knicks? Who has been all season's second best player?

Oh, Kat. And a lot of people think OG. But he's the best. I was going to say OG. He is. For this year. He is the best. But this season, I think Kat is the second.

But overall, what he does, defense. defensively where he's come where his game has come offensively yeah and the way he's shooting the ball now from three i would say oh j is definitely second best like player yeah nothing so it's not like supposed to be cat he's not coming from nowhere not it's supposed to be cat yeah but it's not but it's supposed to be cat that yeah i'm thinking it's that talk that fuck cat up bro that i'm gonna set my role put him behind o g because o g already accepted his role he already knew his role was the cleanup guy behind Brunson. But Kat is supposed to be the second main guy. And once he had that talk, it's like, O.G, we need you more than we need Kat. No, you don't need them more. They don't get here without either one of them.

OG, second highest pay player on the next roster behind that. Show your worth, bro. So, how is he walking in that locker? It's time for $250, right? The game $250. He got that $250 for a reason. Why? Huh? Why you better hope? I mean, you need, I mean,

if O.G gets finals MVP, I mean, we can go get a start next like to Kenyon's point I'm definitely gonna go get yonest in I'm not training OG I'm not no you don't have to trade OG I'm saying I'm saying but if OG's the conversation but if OG's the finals NEP I'm definitely going to get me honest either way it going to stay and you're because because because because because now I mean Jalen Brunson he don't have that type of like we don't need to go ask you exactly so that's you know but every team falls into that trap though we want to keep this crew yeah we got to do it again next year if Bonson gets finals in

he looks a little different. Even if he don't. Still make the move. I'm telling you. Wait, wait, wait. So, now, we talked about yesterday. No matter if the Knicks win or lose the finals, I am trading for Janus.

Cat for Yonis. Cat for Yonis. But if Brunson wins at finals N. I don't know if Brunson wants that. I'm going to say, yeah. Boy, that man is an upgrade. No, I'm just saying the type of person Brunson is. He doesn't give you that.

Decision by him. Like, yo, like, you know, like, yeah, man, like, we need to go get Yonis. It's like, like, we're doing what we have. And they presented in a way, listen, no team has repeated because they have remained stagnant. It's been the last eight years, eight different champions. Did the war is going to get better after Katie?

I mean, when they got Katie. That's why I'm about to say. When they got Katie, they just went back to back. Devin Chenzo's in that trade. They're the last team to do it. Yeah. They're the last team to go back to back. Without making no changes.

And they had Kevin Durant is all right one, two, three in the league. You got two of the best three players on your one team. You should go back to back. Just like the heat.

You should go back to back if you got arguably one Steph, Katie, Brown, one, two, three then you got Clayton. You should be able to go back to back. And if you add Janus to this

equation, Yon is still top five player in the NBA right now. I don't know. When healthy. Top five. For sure. So if you add him to that equation. I don't know. I'm just saying I don't, I'm running by Jaylen Brunson and I'm, I'm

signed off. I'm Jaylin. But it's just like, I'm the guy. Like, why am I coming to you? Why am I playing under you? Who's the guy, though? I need to know who's the guy. Who's been the King of New York? You said it yesterday. Listen, it's not a dick swinging. This is about my legacy. This is about my legacy. This is my legacy. And your legacy is winning, right? My legacy is also winning and also doing this.

I have a signature shoe at Nike. Is winning attached to your legacy? They pay me to be the guy, not to sit here and be behind someone. But it's winning attached to your legacy, though. Yes, it is, but I'm not the guy. Am I the guy or not? If Michael Jordan's winning championships and Scotty Pippen's winning finals MVP, no, yes, it does.

It changes everything. It changes everything. It does not. You can't be having that Mike got six. It's like, man, Scotty got all four of them. So come on, we can't do that. It's definitely get no finals MVP until. He's got one.

He's not one. He won four times. He got the last one. It didn't hurt Steph one bit. He's still with Steph. Yeah, no. He's still a top, yeah, he's still a top three top five. So therefore in that situation, them two guys, the Steph and Katie, it wasn't a dick swinging

competition. It's about the end result, man. Their legacy is what it is. And your legacy still gets haunted when you don't have the finals MVP. If you want to be at that table in that conversation. That's your opinion, right? But how does it does not? It does not.

I know. It does not. Okay. So is Katie a top ten basketball play all the time? It does not affect his legacy. It does, it affects where I'm ranked at. If I want to be at the table with Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Karim, I do, Jabbar, I need to have these accolades.

No, you do not. Okay. You don't need the finals MVP. Yes, you do. No. Like, you worried about one trophy. I'm worried about it all. How about the, how about the, how about the team, how about the team accolade the trophy?

Why? Let's put that first. The conversation I'm sending around. Yonis not wanting to play number two. He's not the conversation with Jason. So what player is averaging 27, 11, 7 that's number two? I'll wait. You say average in what?

That's averaging 27 and 11? And 27 and 11. Yeah, but Janus is the main guy on his team. But what guy would be averaging that there would be number two? He would if he goes to New York Knicks. He's not the main guy. guy if he goes to New Jersey. So let like I said yesterday, right, if the Knicks pulled this off, right, they're in great

position to pull this off right now. Jalen Brunson is going to be finals MVP. He is going to get his love and do whatever is coming to him next year as far as endorsements, love, commercials, whatever that's going to come to Jalen Brunton next year is going to come before if this trade goes through. It's a hypothetical right now, right? I'm saying it doesn't, that's coming to Jalen Brunson no matter what. Janice has already experienced that.

He has a championship and finals MVP. I've experienced this already. My goal, number one goal now, I believe if I know Janus, is to win another championship. So is Yonis bigger than Jalen? My personal opinion. What I see from the guy how he approaches it, And the conversations that I hear come out of his mouth, I can only go on his demeanor and what he says is most important. And that's competing and winning at a high level.

I'm showing up with a finals win and a finals MVP already. I've done what Jalen is about to accomplish. Great. If we are to team up and we make it to this pinnacle again, we're going to do this together. and whoever plays the best is going to get the award. That's just what it is. I'm not making it about just I need finals MVP. The team win is the main objective here.

If I play well as Janice Hunter de Kupo and Jalen Brunson plays well, if we are to team up, we have a great chance to win. That's what the goal is and the goal should be, in my opinion. So you're saying they would literally be co-stars? I don't see how not. Okay. Because they both are who they are. So why would I trade if I win with Kat?

He's an upgrade. Why would I need an upgrade? Because no team has went back to back, that's why. This is what I'm saying, what you just said. Everything you just said comes around from there's no equilibrium in the hierarchy of who's the man on this team. Yannis wants to win, we're going to do whatever it is to win. But if Kat's here and we just won, what would be the reason to bring him in if he's not going to be the man,

the main guy? His play is, though. But you're saying his ego and all of that is going to be equal as cats. Cat already accepted his role. He's a better player than Kat. We won a championship with Kat. No, being mediocre. But we won.

Being mediocre. We cool. Let's call it a spade to spade, right? But if you're bringing Janus in, what he's saying is Janus is the, I'm bigger than Jalen Brunson right now. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Okay. So, exactly.

So why am I coming over here? And when I'm already big, who I am? Well, do you want to win another championship? Do you want to be good? Yes, I do want to win a championship. But I'm going to win a championship in the same way I won it before. I'm going to do it the same way again. So why not stack the deck, though?

Where at? Why not better your chance? Okay, so long as Jaylen Brunson. Why not stay here? Why not just stay here? Okay. Long is Jaylon. No, when I come over here, hey, what you did last year, that's cool, honey.

So why did Brown go to Miami? Why did Katie go to, um, go to state? Why did them dudes go there? Why didn't they go with the man? Why did Clydexler go to, um, Houston? He went to Houston. He went to Houston. He went to Houston to be a role player.

Why did he go? But why did he go there? He was a role player to win. He was the number two, right? LeBron with the Miami, the guy. Was he the man in Portland? Was he the man in Portland? He went to go to state and the guy.

Was he the man in Portland? Yes. And then he went to he went to Houston. To do why. To do why. To do why? To do why? What's the, what's the main objective?

Glide. What's the main objective? So what's the main objective? He didn't win as the guy. What is the main objective? It is to win. So you worry about ego and pride. Other people worry about winning.

This is how we have the decision. You have your, listen, you put ego and pride. I put the consistency. No, you put ego and pride. and pride ahead of winning is what you're saying. If we asked Clydexler right now when he went to the final against Mike, if he would have won that one, would that would that feel better than the one in Houston? He going to say when he won in Portland.

But the facts are Brandon. But I have Gary Payton. If you beat Michael Jordan in the 90s, does that one feel better than the one in Miami? Yes. I'm the guy. But Brandon, but did he? Yes, as the role player. Did he win?

Yes. Did they be Mike? The answer to the question is no. No, they didn't be Mike. So when Clyde Drexler went to Houston, He went to win. We need to help you. No, he wasn't a role player.

He was the second best player on that team behind Kea. Akeem Olajuwon. Again, he's not the guy. In Portland, he's the guy. He's the guy. Once again, you're talking about ego. I'm talking about winning. You get over there and glide.

See, that's the difference. That's the difference, Brandon. I'm talking about winning and you're talking about ego and worried about a finals MVP for. You're missing the point. I'm not going to. Let me tell you the point. The point of, when you say, Let's say Kobe Brian and Shaq won championship.

Here we go. They get off of the Kobe rode his coat tail. Kobe played number two. He was second fiddle. Which means you're not the guy when you won the championship. Here he goes. By Drexler in Portland, he's the guy. Can't beat Michael Jordan, doesn't matter.

Go down to Houston, you win two. Not being the guy. Who's the guy? Hakeem Elijah Wine gets all the credit For the two championships. So what he's saying is the second fiddle does matter for your individual accolades and where they put you. So who joined whose team, though, is what I'm saying. Who joined whose team?

Four, five. No, who, y'all says, y'all want to bring Kobe and Shaq into this equation. Shack joined whose team? Shack got their first. It was like kind of like Shack. Didn't Shack get traded? Yeah, Jack got traded. But it was after they made the call to get Kobe.

He made the call to get Kobe. He made the decision. decision to leave because they held a poll in Orlando paper and asked if he was worth a certain amount of money Okay, the people said no He asked out okay, he left as a free he didn't join Covey he was a free agent, though, but he didn't join Kobe he went to a place that was okay, I'm going to LA But they were on the same team yes or no Yes, right same team came in 96 they both came in 96 they both came in 96

The same team no one came from a different team to join. If Shaq was somewhere else and he was at his peak and Kobe was where he is at his peak and then they joined, then that's the same scenario that you guys want to keep talking about Kobe and Shaq. No, no, no, we're not. We're talking about second fiddle and first year.

We're talking about Yon as being the main guy if you go to New York. So that's the whole conversation. Who's going to be the main guy? Let me ask you a question. If Kobe is not Kobe doing their three-peat and Shaq is not Shaq doing their three-peak, do they three-peaked?

No. No. So, and then we're not ever. That's the point. But that's not the point. The point is the point of that I'm making is who's the guy. So you work, so. Jack was the guy asking your question.

Everybody says Jack was the guy. You making it about ego and a dick swinging competition. It's not a dick swinging conversation. And I'm talking about the end result. Okay. He's not talking about your legacy. Kobe's legacy is faltered because he played with Shaq. No it's not.

Everyone says you played with Shaq, you were not the main guy. He had to go win two championships without Jack to make it a conversation. make it a conversation. No. So everybody else is conversation. It's farther because of Jordan. No. No.

Did we just talking about when you play second fiddle to somebody and you win a championship? He's not farther by Katie coming over. Because Katie, because he didn't come over. He was the, he, you come to my shit. You're coming to my, it's my ship. Huh? He didn't win any finals. He didn't.

Listen, there's two times. You're moving to goal post. His career is not farther. But you're moving to goal post. But he's not second fiddle, mate. Nick, he's not second fiddle. So, but you're not discounted his finals wins, are you? Four-time chance.

Are you describing this? His finals, wins. No, what are you talking about? No. He didn't win finals MVP. No, no, that's. No, but that's a lot of people's opinion. But a lot of people's opinion.

He's a second best point guard of all the time in everybody's opinion. Okay. So it didn't tarnish his legacy. But he said to play second foot. But then it didn't tarnish his leg is what you're saying. Kate. You're saying to tarnish his legacy. You're saying to tarnish his legacy.

But you're saying to tarnish his legacy. It don't feel like that. Everybody still knew it with Steph Steen though. I'm just saying. So you're saying this, so did it tarnish his legacy? No. To some people it might. I'm asking you.

No. No, he's making you. He made his legacy more. I'm asking you, did it tarnish the guy? But we gotta go back to the point. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let him answer this question. That's what I'm saying.

Did it tarnish his legacy? I'm asking you. It didn't tarnish his legacy. So how would it tarnish his legacy then? I'm asking a question. If Yannis goes there and he's not the number one, he's going to somebody else's team. Steph Curry's been here, though.

Somebody else came to my team. And one final MVP. To your point, he came to my team. He never said, tarnish, he said. Holding up the trophy. He's not adding to his legacy. I didn't ask you. I didn't ask you.

You keep talking about finals MVP. I didn't ask you to come here. I'm saying Janice is going to somebody else's team and he's the second guy. Now, you're the main guy over here. You're coming over here to somebody else's team and you still don't be the guy? That is, that is backwards. So my point That is backwards

So my like Katie's coming to Go to State This is already So what did Kayee? Like I didn't ask you to come Came here So did so they didn't average They didn't ask him to come

They did ask him to come They did ask him to come Okay You're asking him to come Okay you asked him to come Okay Why did they ask him to come here To be the guy though

When you got here So did they needed to be the guy For us to win The same with Brown and Miami You got here It's my shit But listen In order for you to be the guy

and us to win, you have to be the guy. He's going to be the guy. That's why he's playing. That's why he doesn't hurt his way he's saying. He doesn't even hurt DeWayne Wade in Miami. His plea is going to be the guy. Listen, his play is saying I'm the guy. My play still says I'm the guy.

You're talking about Brunson? Both guys. That's what he's saying. And he's saying Yon is coming to New York. Each guy in his situation. Bronson is going to have to be like, hey, big fella, it's your shit. Each guy in these situations, right, if they're not who they are when they join up, Duane Way still has to be.

be D Wade flag. He still has to be flashed in order for them to win. And LeBron James needs to be the Super. LeBron James needs to be cool, but he hadn't won anything yet when he got there. That's the difference. He did. Katie, the same thing.

He didn't have anything. He didn't have the hardware when he showed up. Who? Katie didn't have no hardware when he showed up. He didn't have the He was not a champion. I know. No, he's talking about finals. No. He's talking about.

He told me. He said anything. He had final. He had league MVP. So did KD before he got there. But you're talking about the finals, though. So what are we talking about? Right? What do we talk about? No, you didn't talk about finals.

No, you just said before LeBron got to Miami, he didn't have any hardware. The hard work that matters to him was winning it. He said, I got this over here, but what mattered to him was winning. And also got the finals MVP. And he went to it somewhere than when a guy already got one, right? Yon is showing up with both already. I got league MVP and finals in. MVP and the finals

trophy, right? But I got, but I have it. But over there. I have it. So when I show up here, though, Kingin, I still have it. But I'm the guy. I still have it.

I'm the guy. I'm the guy. You do have it. But as a New Yorker, but as a New York fan, you think I care what you did in Milwaukee? Yes, they care. No.

I need you to get a kid here. He will. Nobody care. Okay, that's all I'm saying. And his play, no matter what the end, he is. going to shoot no matter listen so I said yesterday no matter what jersey next year Yonis puts on no fact right no matter what it's going to be 27 to 30 11 to 13

rebounds and five to eight assists that's what it is going to be that's what his numbers is consistently during his run and winning MVP of the league making it to the finals to now his numbers are and he is who he is you whatever team gets that, it's going to be a plus. What I'm saying, if he joins the New York Knicks, that is a plus. We were discussing Yonness

of the NICs yesterday. Because it's been talks during the trade deadline. We said Winner Loo's a championship. So the conversation was, we said winner lose should the NICs try to add Yonis to bolster? No team has gone back to back in the last A season Swaggy. Everybody's talked about running it back that following year has not been able

to even get back to the final. I guess the question is, the main guy Need to be the main guy in order to win the championship. You're a megastar superstar. Does the main guy have to be the main guy to win? Yes. In order for him to get credit for the fucking win for one. Yes, we have, it's proven.

We're talking about ego or winning. We've seen it with that. We're talking about the main guy. This is not ego. No, not about his ego. It's just about credit. It's about the credit. It's about the credit.

It's about the credit. Hold on. We've been talking. 20 minutes. Yeah. All right. What do you think? Skipin,

sorry, what do you think? Very simple to me. Is Janus better than Kat? Is he just a better player? Does anybody remotely disagree with that premise? No. That's, okay.

Janus is better. And you convinced me yesterday, actually more after the show than during the show, that Janus would be a better basketball fit for Jalen Brunson and the Knicks than cat is. because they would be sweet combo off the pick and roll, because Janus is better than that at that than Cat is. Am I right? Yes.

Okay? So now you haven't disrupted the chemistry of the team. You arguably could improve the chemistry of the team. I'm talking about the basketball chemistry, the offensive chemistry. I... Okay? And yet, do you think Jalen would want, hypothetically, if they play together for 70,

games next year. Who do you think takes more shots per game? Because I still think it's Jalen Brunson would take more shots than Janus and that Yonis would be cool with that. Okay? Let's not forget the conversation that ensued halfway through the season that needed to reel cat in to play a role. They did? Or this team. Not putting this same conversation into account when you're talking about the sweet pick and role of Yonis and Brunson before the conversation of it's Brunson's team, Cat. We need you to do these things. Be open, facilitate,

do what we need you to do at the team. Is that the same conversation he's going to have with Cat? Okay. Yonis is probably a little... In order for that pick and roll to look away a pick-roll. Is he a better passer than Cat is? Yes. Better passers?

Yes. Seven assists? Yes. He's a better passer. And he's a better outside shooter. Who? Cat. The cat is, for sure.

Is he a better role player? Okay. Yes. does he fit the role better than Kat right now the role we need from you? No Kat is doing what's needed

for the team to roll with Brunson at the front that's what has been done I'll think it's comparable but yon is more ball dominant too than cat obviously Okay has Kat been quiet lately He has been quiet but what is the series

right now? Three one three one quiet cat or loud cat He's a fucking cat At the end of the day. And we're winning with cat by an end to the team's chemistry concept. So when Yannis comes, it goes back, full circle what we talk about.

If Yonis is not the man, he's got to fit into being little cat in the little cat box. Yonis ain't a little cat in the cat box. Okay, isn't there some kitty cat in cat? Like kitty cat? Can be. Sometimes.

Yeah. Okay. No claws. No claws. But he's still bite. Is there any kitty cat in Yonis? No. I haven't seen any.

Do you think Janice will let Devin Vassel guard him right now? In the post. Not a goddamn pain. Did you think Janice is taking 28, 27 shots? He don't need to because I shoot 60% from the field. Do you think he's going to take them shots? In the fourth quarter, yes. Given the fact that he's going to post up.

Listen, he's going to roll, post up, get the ball where he want to catch it. Ain't nobody stop Janice from getting the ball where he want to get it yet. I do know that. That's hard. I understand. Like I said, it's all hypothetical. We just presented something yesterday on teams what is most important, I think, to winning, and no team has went back to the finals in the last eight years.

No, no, I'm not. I'm with you. I'm with you. You have to upgrade. You have to get better. You don't do that through the trash. Just quick point. I got to defend the thunder.

If they stay healthy, they're going to go back to back. No, they're not. Yes, they are. No, they're not. This year they're winning. They lost to the God's 14. They lost Tuesday, their second, third, best player. Well, guess what?

They wasn't healthy, and they did not get back. And they didn't show anything that proved that. So they fit the eight teams that ain't made it back. Did not even get back to the five. Let's get back. Come on, Skip. Let's get wishing in the dreaming over there. That's not dreaming as fact.

Oh, man. Let's get back to this series real quick, something we discussed a little bit earlier. Obviously, we know Knicks up 3-1 right now. Spurs absolutely tricked this game, Epic Meltdown. Deer & Fox's taking a lot of heat for his fourth quarter performance. performance in game four in this play that ultimately changed the course of the game. Let's take a look at it. We talked about it a little bit earlier.

So Brunson missed the shot. Fox tipped it to himself. He thinks he's wide open like that. You can't think you wide open. But look what he's looking at. Yes. You can feel this. Go back.

Go back. Let's go back again. You can run out of balance. Look how fast he was running. Look. OG in front. Right here. Watch this.

Right there. He can feel him racing after. He knows that. He said he thought it could outrun him so he saw him. Yeah. His words was, I thought I could beat him to the basket. So he saw him. And he's ahead of him.

Look at the burst, though. It's crazy. Ah. He got him. It's the even race because he had to go wide, right? Go back. Go back. It's even at this point because he had to go wide.

OG running straight. The quickest way to point is a straight line, right? And that's why I mean, in the regular season, I feel like OJ may get a clear path. get a clear path foul on this one too, but on that grab. So he's running straight, Dian Fives got to take the loop. So they're even now. That's an even race.

No. That's even. And he'd see him right there. He looks and at him at the ball yet. He had to slow down to get the ball yet. For him to just go up with it, he wanted to get the foul. And he wasn't dribbling. He slowed down to get the ball to Nick's point.

And that gave OG another step to catch up. Fox asked about the play after the game. This is what he had to say. Good point, Nick. Did he slow? That's your thought process. I haven't scored. Try to get layup, get up three, you know, make the force into need of three.

And it can be a good block. Usually, a lot of the time in that situation, where you took the layup, pass would try to run it out and get foul? When did you think that you wanted to go for the layup instead of trying not get the foul? I just thought I would be able to outrun him. I thought I'd be able to outrun him. Hey. Mistaken.

You didn't have an advantage. You didn't have the ball. You didn't. You got to say dribble a clock up, but even you got to shoot those two free throws. make those two free throws. But still three, I understand.

Still a three point game. Time is your friend. You just seen Wimby, Tricoff, two heat off. That might be waiting in the back. You get foul, you up, you up,

you up, it like he was down. He had a brain fart, for sure. He was not thinking about he was thinking, dribbling the clock out. He wasn't. He wasn't thinking about dribbling the clock out.

He had a different thought process. He had a whole different, I'm going to go to the rim. That was just not a savvy play. He just didn't do what he was supposed to do. Period. As a point guard, it's the first, as a point guard, I have the ball.

It's up to me now. He actually gets the glory. I get to sink the two fritos. Boom, put us back in charge. It's up to me now. We don't want nobody else to have the ball, except for him. We want him to have the ball. In that position, dribble it out.

Tough right there, boy. But you are 82% free throws. It do matter. I'm confident. Freethos are the lead. I'm confident. I'm confident. The best Frito shooters meant like you're talking about a contested layup.

You feel like you got an open layup. I'll take that over Frito. It wasn't open. It wasn't open, Nick. Yeah. If that was me, I would have tried to dunk that bit. You got this shit P&D more. You got this shit P&D worse.

I'd have dunked his head so bad, man. They gave me a statue out there. You don't pull it out. He caught it way too late to even go up with it. You don't even have it. You don't have any. Cofax, did he jump into it? A drop step.

Did he jump into him? Look how fast he's going on. He's hard and too late. If he tried to dribble... He tried to... You tried to cut him off. You didn't even jump. You just saw.

He was off the dunk shit. Yeah, he used to have bounce. Man, what? That's happened. He's old. He's 27. I don't like the situation, uh, D Fox is in, though. I never liked him here.

There's them young guns just put too much... What would you have done in that situation? I'm definitely bringing the ball back. out and we're going to play the free throw game. Okay. Would you think about trying to dunk it? No, because I already see him coming right now and I know how this O.G. So I already know.

So I know for sure if I do go up, whatever, I'm getting hard, I'm getting fouled hard, then I got to figure out, you know, anything like that. So I'm going to just bring it back out. But if you go up and get fouled and make it, you can go up for him. So I'm glad you said that, B, I was thinking about it. Now, it's a difference if you look in this Jalen Brunson trailing me. Yeah, I can lay them. Right? Yeah.

Raleh, McKell Bridges, O. Gianniobie. They all foul and hard. They're going to go try to something's going to happen at the rim, whether it's going to be a foul or a block. Them three going to, if it's Jalen Brunson, it's a different story. You can go up over him. You got a great chance of getting it at the ring. That was cat.

So it's time score, personnel, situation, all of that matter in that moment. Right. So to Brandon's point, like, yeah, you got to know who's coming. Yeah, I see. Yeah. I mean, it might look like I'm fast, but that, listen, he's going fast, too. And the season is on the line, right? I'm just going.

Deere Fox though, you're a superstar, right? No. You dribble out, man. Now, you dribble that out, man. Let's just go play the free throw games. There's a mega star miss two fritos. But I'm not him. So let's go to a free throw.

The way in the game is going. He's 22. I'm 28. I have experience. Everybody assholes is tight right now. That's how he even went up soft like that. Did he hit the, he hit the, he hit the free throws in the game before? Yes, he did.

That's not. He was ready for that moment. He was ready for that moment. That was payback. Yeah. He hit that jump shot and OG and Nobi facing game three. So I just hear one. I'm not worried about OG.

I got the lefty life. I'm going to play the free throw game. We go up three. Timeout. Take it and let's just play some defense. Worst case scenario when we take time off the clock, I make or miss the free throws. They got to call timeout to try to run some.

We get to set our defense. The worst case scenario, right? The worst case, they're going to try to look for a three or try to get a quick, quick layup and then this is a football game to like a coach not foul. It's not a favor. Yeah. When you're up, when you're down three.

Oh, damn. You're supposed to file. Well, is it down three? Would you up three? Up three. And you file so they don't shoot a three and you neglect not to foul and they make the fucking three. That's similar. This is Darren Fox dribble that bitch out. You know they're going to foul. Why wouldn't you?

You're up one. It's 10 seconds to go. Like, there's no. Okay, so. Ms. Johnson at least call a time out when he catch the ball. No, he don't think he's going to go shoot that ball, though. Ms. Johnson ain't thinking that boy going to go shoot that ball, man. As soon as we get to steal. Thank you, Johnson.

I don't trust you. So who is Deerrin Fox to you? Because he was the clutch player of the year, it was three years ago. He was a king. Is he still a Sacramento king to you at heart? I consider it. Okay?

because he is your point guard. In the end, he is the point guard, right? I know the other guys can handle, and Dylan Harper's coming a lot, but he's more too, to me, Dylan is. As pure point, as the orchestrator of that offense, it's Deeran Fox. But even though he's been in the playoffs before,

it was brief against Golden State. And at heart, to me, he's still got too much Sacramento King in him because in the second half, it's up to your leader, your point guard, your orchestrator to get you in positions to milk the clock correctly

and not jack up a bunch of threes. I can make the case that if you just get shot clock violations the whole second half, you're going to win because they'll run out of math, right? Yeah. Okay? So that's on Deerrin Fox. And then you made the point early in the show.

What do you have, Did he have three turnovers in the fourth quarters? And a couple of were just horrible. He was one in that fourth quarter, but... Yeah. No, he had two blatant turnovers. That's... He went up and lost his dribble and...

Just threw it away. Come on, man. So we're blaming Fox. No, he's part of the equation. I don't like the system. I never liked the system with San Antonio for him. I feel like what you said, D. Fox and with the...

Kings. With the Kings was just a total different player. Here, I feel like it's too much. many guards that can do the same thing he does. So he gets kind of lost in it. He doesn't really know when to go, when not to go, then he'll be down there. Yeah, he's not sure of himself.

He's not in control of it. You think all the losing over the years is affected. Yeah, I agree. Decision making. Yeah, I just don't think he's comfortable either. Yeah, he's not comfortable either. Like, if you go look at his numbers from in Sacramento, 25, 23, 26 a night, like.

But that was losing basketball. Yeah, but he was. Yeah, but they got to the playoffs, but he's also coming to his own. And now you come here where it's like you're still trying to Then you got these young dogs around you that can do everything you do

But he's coming to the Spurs knowing that He said I'm still going to know. No, he didn't come knowing that. Yes, he did. Nick, he said it in. Nick, he said, you're doing this without knowing context of what he's already said in interviews. He's coming to the Spurs knowing I'm playing second fiddle.

You already jump in. I'm not the guy. Yes. You're jumping in. Not second fiddle to the Harper. But you're jumping the fence. I'm playing second fill of the four people. No.

God damn. When is that? him here to sacrifice his game. To Wimby, yes. Nick, you're jumping the gun, killer. He already doesn't say it. He knew what he was signing up for. Nick arguing a fact?

Yeah. What did he say? Okay. What did he say? I mean, I think Rich Pau said that they have the conversation. If you go here, this is what it is. He said, I'm with it. Yeah, we're with him.

He didn't say about no sick of fiddle, Nick. It's just I have to sacrifice my game. This is Wimby's team. Okay. I'm sacrificing my game. That's what he's been doing. And it's not been working for him. He's been working for the team.

It's been working for the team. But he's still been treated like that. What it is is they didn't expect Stefan Kousel to come on as fast as he is. They don't expect Dylan Harper to be a rookie and playing the way he's playing. Those things were not expected as a yet. That's a number two pick, Kenyon. But number two pick, yes. Still as a rookie.

Yes. Don't expect him to be playing. that mature not making the mistakes that you expect a rookie to be making on this. Stefan Koussel was a dog when you draft him with the fifth pick. We knew what he was capable of. He is light years above his draft years, I'm saying, in his competitive nature, is what we're seeing. So, DeFox, by default, has had to take a back seat to those guys' production. Because they're better than him.

That's what I'm saying they are. He signed up to help win to be to be a point guard. four win before the future, it just so happened they had the second pick and Dylan Harper was there. It's just what I'm saying. But despite all that, he's still been put in positions in this final. That he should be the man and he should still be a veteran that knows how to play because to Brandon's point, he has averaged mid-20s in his league for consistent years in a row. He has been an all-star.

He has made it in the playoffs. So yes. But there was a lot of losing within that as well. but there was a glimpse of success. Y'all were the three C, go to the Stables and the 6th C y'all had home court and we know how that ended, right?

You should be more but it's just the mother dudes are playing well. You're coming out, we don't know if you still hurt to everybody's point. We don't know if the ankles still bothering you. We don't know, but you're out there trying to compete for your team. You have had some solid games as of late in this finals. So.

So, Sean, the question for you, Fox getting a lot of that blame. Do Wimby choke in this game? Your opinion? Everybody choked. Okay. The leaders, Wimby being the number one culprit. They all shrunk in the moment. But just to go back on the deal on the Aaron Fox, I consider him a superstar coming into

the playoffs based on his talent level, not his accolades and none of that stuff. Just his talent can be superstar-ish. And what he showed in Sacramento was that level of play. These two other guys in the last two months have grown exponentially to the point where they have shown to be better players, the Aaron Fox, right now on the Spurs. Beforehand coming into this season, De Aaron Fox was expected to be the leader point guard, all that shit, he's healthy, his hands good, all right, we're going to see what he can do. Now we see that they can sub him out and play without him, but they still going to be a young

team making young mistakes. That's why he made one. But they're going to have a talented team, explosive, defensive. They can do all the things without him. So when you look at where he is now, I'm just like, I can't, I got to step back from my statement because he's declining in front of our eyes as far as age and decision making, all the things that he's doing when I'm watching, I'm putting them younger guys ahead of him.

And I'm saying, damn, I probably crowned him too early. because the Aaron Fox is not stepping up to the moment as a superstar guard should. He's not doing what he's supposed to do. Oh, no, he said the other day. No, so, no, he admitted the day, so he said he's not going to die on that hill. Okay, okay.

So when I said that, that was the first time you ever saw, I adapted. Oh, okay. He said it the other day, he ain't going to die on that hill. Okay. Right? So he's doubling down. He's doubling down on his statement.

You didn't answer the question, though. Did Wimby choke? I did. You say everybody choked. And I said, especially him, at being the leader. Oh, especially him. Being the leader.

Especially him. Okay. He's the number one. I can make the case that he has choked in all four games down the stretch. He's played bad. He hasn't played. He hasn't played great. He hasn't played crazy.

The same way? So crazy. Through a pass, a turnover. Yeah. Same way as GA did last year. But even in the game they won. They both choked. They both.

They poked. Now he's choking. It's just what it is. Okay. But now I look back at game one, 57 seconds left, he had a terrible turnover, then he missed a three with 32 seconds left that would have cut it to three.

Then in game two, that was the disaster game because he airballs at three at 137, then he misses a 17 footer for the lead at 30 seconds left, has the terrible hits Castle in the back with the pass, and then with two seconds left he missed the game

winner from 20 feet. Soccery Blue. Okay? And then game three, he doesn't score for the last five minutes of the game, but the Castle makes the huge three and the two free throws. And Deeran made the one shot. It was a big shot. And then last night, he missed the two free throws.

He's two of nine in the fourth quarter. That's horrendous, man. Pretty bad. And Fox, pretty bad. And Fox, we're all to blame that. That's why he's messing us. That's how we move narratives, Swaki. Yeah, all right.

Is it moving narrative so bad. No, because after the game, that was the loudest voice after the game. Charles was the loudest voice after the game. Well, same thing. Josh Hart misses that layup and they lose that game. We wouldn't have it. We wouldn't have it. Like, like I said, the very next possession, man.

Like, Josh Hart smoked the layup, San Antonio got through the band, dribbled, and Wimby got filed and went to the line and missed two right immediately. So it kind of negated, it negated Josh Hart's layup, like off top, right? And then the Foxxed it, then it's that, it's like, the Fox block, negated Wimby free throws. That's the game. Why me acting like Wimby didn't even miss fruct those, though? Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, right there.

Like, he missed the very, after Josh ran out athleticism, like, he ran out of the limousism at the rim. He did. Right, just lay the bitch up. And we break down with the spurts this year, Wemby and I had a place in it, but we don't talk about it. Yeah, we do. You just don't listen.

Okay. That's all. I know. That's why you keep bringing up ocean. You keep bringing up ocean. You keep bringing up ocean. Turn over when, in a half court. I remember we was talking about.

Big won him to be held accountable. Bad as shit? Hey, this brother's starving, ain't it? This nigga is scrapping. Leave your fucking fingers over there, nigger. Like, damn. Biggo, Wimby, Wimby, Wimby. He want to be here, he want women to be held accountable bad as hell.

It's Wimby, Wimmy, Wimby, Wimby. It's Wemby, Wimby, Wimby. Why are you trying to hide from him? They're trying to crown him too early. It's his fault. It's all him. They did try to crown them. Was Wimby better off just?

losing game seven against the O KC Thunder? If that's your statement then? Based on something... Based on something... He will get penalized in the war games. He has just... Based on something, Mr. B., he will get penalized

for going to this finals and not winning if the Spurs do end up losing this series. Yes, he will. Not by me, though, I respect him the ability to get that 22 years old. Who will? Who will? Whimby?

No, he won't. No, he won't. He'll get a pass. He'll get a pass. He'll get a pass. He'll get a pass. He'll get a pass. He'll get a pass. He don't get a pass.

Wimby will get a... I'm telling you right. I'm not giving with me no no you're not but the square media yeah no the square media they will they he is going to get a pass I agree because the Knicks noise is going to be so loud mm-hmm that wimby's whatever is going to get swept to the wayside and you'll get a pass because his age as a 22 they're young his second best player is right now for castle Fox young trust him he'll get a pass The Wimby all for a quarter.

Right? He gets a pass. We saw Wimby losing the in the Olympics. He got to see him lose again. Anything with America, he is getting his ass. But he is French, Mr. Bres. I'm shocked he came out of that game.

He normally runs out of the media. So one last, two last things. He's got that out the way already. He ain't doing that again. He dug, ducked media. He got roasted for that shit. And trust him, he won't do it again. He won't do it again.

Somebody on the couch didn't talk about it. He went to the wrong shallow. He should have went to the slums. We're talking about 36 chambers. And was where he at? He'll hit him for leaving and shaking people's hands. Yes, you got damn right with you. Where yet? You know where he at? He dropped a low on you.

Hopefully getting the video sent. Okay. So teams that go up 3-1 in the NBA finals are 37 and won all-time. Skip, do you know the one team who overcame a 3-1 finals lead? Your guy. Your guy. Epic success. It was Kyrie's team.

Epic success. So on the underdog prediction market, Knicks now have an 81% chance of winning this chip While the Spurs' odds have dipped to 20% Like we said, only one team has come back from a 3-1 deficit Shot, do you still believe in the Spur squad? Yeah. 3-1?

Are they cooked or do they have the ability to come back here? We have a chance. We have a chance. A chance? Yeah. That's all? Yeah. Where does Tats work at?

Tell Skip what chance at Hope War game. Thank you. Chance is getting ready to clock. for her ship with hope. She bought that. She definitely worked the day shift. Getting no dollars, all nickels thrown it. She worked the day shift.

At San City, baby. But now you go back to San Antonio for game five. You get that one. Come back to the garden. Trump may come back. You can finagle that one. This is a monumental meltdown. It's fragile.

If you get up 30 and lose 30-point deficit, at any point that New York needs, go down in this series from this point forward, they're not tripping. It's gonna be more people in San Antonio, more Knicks. They've already screwed up all the tickets. They were down there for game one and two. It's gonna be more down for the close-out game, potentially. Is there even a direct flight from New York to San Antonio?

It should have been one last night. No, they should have got the asses out of New York last night. Oh, we got them eggs. We're gonna talk about that one second, but Brandon, before we do, this Saturday, make sure you pull up to the Game 5, Lottes. to the Game 5 live watch party. Here, let's take a look at this beautiful graphic streaming on Twitch and YouTube.

So hop on the Gills Arena YouTube or Twitch channel at 8.30 p.m. Eastern Time. Come have some fun with the guys. Watch along as the Nick looked to win their first chip since 1973. That don't look like... Can you look like that AI? You can make some very simple graphics

on chat GBT with some very simple prompts. That look like Pat Beals, don't you? You're trying to tell me something? I'm gonna say burning a man They're trying to tell me They got that chin They got that fat chin That's cool, I get it

It's in the eyes, what's the nose? Look, look Finals MVP up there, baby I like that OJ? Who the fuck? Yeah, under the MVP? Okay, that's why you

See, they got them up there. Yeah, who the fuck is that, nigga? Who's the guy? That's what I said. I said, you're like a nice man like Braxton Hartleck. Like Kevin Samuel.

Like Kevin Samuel. Like Kevin Samu's, God rest his soul, but. It's like you playing a Tooby movie, boy. Talking about a tubby actor. Definitely like a tubi actor. All your secondary. Oh, shit.

Yeah, they're like he on motherfuffing Grand Theft Auto. Like that D.C. Nick, well, yeah. You can pick it. You're like, you're in Miami. I am. Full up Saturday 5.30. But Mr. B, beginning of the show, you had a box of eggs in this economy.

Obviously, a very hefty price tag coming with those eggs. So as if tricking off the biggest game of his young career wasn't bad enough. Nick's fans into the evening with one last FU for the alien and his squad

let's take a look if we can't please right boom yo man no waiting for Wimby and the Spurges

outside their hotel proceeded to throw eggs at the alien security tried to intervene that fuck off me New York fans are OD damn New York fans are OD

I think it hit the it like I couldn't tell him it looked at it like I couldn't tell him He hit the pole in his side. They hit the back of the head, bro. Because there's no yoke on the back of his head swag in England. Video review, no yoke, but.

Very precise. Very precise. Yeah, these damn Knicks fans are out of control, man. I blame that on the team. I blame it on the Spurs organization. We got to get out of there. Like, when we play, we used to lead. Straight to the airport?

Yes, straight to the airport. You not go back to the hotel. I don't, like, why would I want to, after I just blow a lead like that, want to stay in the same city in that same city after that we gotta get out of there right there get your ass to jersey didn't you guys do it back yeah we just leave right away but this the the way they treat them now is they prefer them to get a good night sleep but you not get in at two in the morning you know that's what you're not sleeping yeah they know that's what they do nowadays for the young guys they they monitor they sleep they got fucking sleep apps on their phone they

try to log in when you're laying down and all how far is that flight from new york to son of time yeah it's three and sometimes just three and a half out of Give me up out of here. There's no way they slept last night with all that noise. No, it's three and a half hours. They didn't sleep well at nowhere. After tricking that game off and being in that city, loud outside the hotel, they didn't sleep. Yeah, so I blame the eggs getting thrown to him for the team.

A four-hour flight roundabout, but that's the wheels up to wheels down, about probably 340 of actual airtime. Yeah, they, yeah. Yeah, that's the way they treat the airport with a belt. No, they should have got out of there, man. But get out of that wild-ass environment, man. Yeah. People have that. But they didn't.

This is the fact that I'm gonna wait for the spurs. Yeah, outside the hotel. Used to be autograph seekers. Shot they want to know if you want any of these eggs. We got some wimby eggs for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll cook these. Emerald. We got some wimbi number one.

I'll cook these for you. I'll go ahead and cook these. You can make a kish. You can make a kish if you like. No scrambled eggs and cheese. Or good. Or Mr. Bish flirts. Mm-hmm.

Gitt this baby. Fly, get over there and guide. Fly. Get over there and glide. That is... That was funny. Clyde, you move around, get over there and glide.

Get over there and glide. So what they... Glyde on the side. Hey, Clyde, get over there and glide on the side. So where, sit there and glide to the side? I thought to you when you're open, nigga. So what these Knicks fans is doing is they making it hard on the celebration, right?

They're making it to where the city is going to put quote-unquote handcuffs on celebration if they do win it, right? That's what this is doing. But you have a- We know New Yorkers don't give a shit about rules, regulation, or anything. When they motherfucking got them billy clubs

and the motherfucking them rubber bullets out there, bitch, out. Hey, trust me, if you get in line, they find that shit that make you they get to spraying that shit in the air. Your ass to disperse. Trust me, no, New Yorkers. They're in subways, they had subways with rats and shit. They don't give a fuck about no gas.

Yeah, they just make it hard on the subject. Mel better, that's first year. I'm just a little word, because I like New York, man. Yeah, it's going to get out of control. Gotham City, man. It's Gotham City, man. They're gonna be flipping cars and shit. They win this.

I need to go to some of my restaurants. El Milino. Where's Batman? You're gonna need Batman. Gonna be flipping cars, man. Watch rides. Come on. It's going to seven, man, watch.

Shai, you still holding that prediction, seven game series? Spurs can go back and take, that's what I'm saying. We've seen a 29-point comeback. We've seen a lot of wild shit this series. I don't think anything was surprising. You need three. straight.

No, you can't win three straight. And what they don't have on this? What they don't have on this side. Just up 30. How you blow that? Think about we just had to blow that game for y'all to be up three one. Thank you. We, 30 points?

That's so crazy. If you could fire a coach tonight, you fire that motherfucker tonight. The name's gone. The name's fucking. 30 points. I got a secret. But they're coming back, okay? But they're not.

It's not their floor anymore, though. They ain't got no winning that building yet, man. It's not a good feeling coming back home when you ain't won, not this finals yet. It's not their floor anymore. It's not a good feeling going back to that building, trust me. I feel like it's going to be like 70-30 Knicks fans. Yeah, it's a good. You ain't got no choice.

It's going to be 50s. It's going to be. Do a die. 30-40% Nick fans are going to be. I think it might be more than that. They're going to take over. Nah. There's some Spurs fans selling their tickets right now for top dollar.

Yeah. I know I would. Hey, if you held some season tickets and somebody want to give you eight, nine, ten, X your money for these finals tickets, hey, hey, you know what? I know they're asking us not to sell these things on the black, but hey, I got bills to pay. And if you, the NBA, do you want them to win on the road instead of at home after? Yeah.

They might fool either way it go, but I prefer to win on the road. Absolutely, if I'm the league, I prefer to win on the road. Give us a little time to get prepared for the pro. rate because either way it go they're going to tear that bitch up. Spurs and seven. Skip, do you think Spurs any hope in this series to at least make it

competitive? Nixon 6. But I do think the Spurs will pick themselves back up off the canvas and win game 5 at home. I just think they're that good. And to your point

they were up 29. They're going to have to pull a Mike Tyson and bite a ear. Yeah. Kick him in the shen Just kick him in the shin You ain't never been kicked in the shin before It's over

It's over I got five now I had six from the start I think Spurs win in game I might be right I think six Five I said five initially I said Nixon five

I think Spurs go home and You said Nickson and six Yeah I said Nixon five I mean it would be safe for the next to win In now Yeah that's about the way You got to wait Yeah, don't. Like, let them go ahead do what they think.

They threw eggs. Once I've seen an eggs that win me, I would say, yeah, they got to win on a road. Because they won't let them out the arena, bro. Spurs will be trapped in the arena. Spurs will be trapped in. Oh, they wouldn't be able to leave them. That's my bad. And if they win that game? If they win game five and they go back to New York and New York winning in game six, they will not be able to get it.

Yeah. And they would be able to get out of the guard. They wouldn't get out of the game. They wouldn't get out of the game. Stay there all night, brother. Yeah. Like, stay in the locker room. They're gonna flip that...

Get the sketchbook out. They would have to have so much police presence and escort to get that bus out of that side street. You know how congested that side street is where that bus parked? Who am I'm saying? They'd be gliding like fly. What I'm talking about? But on that note, game five Saturday, we'll see if we'll meet me in the Spurs. Hey, third season alive.

One more note. I want to say, happy anniversary man and my wife. It's my 10th anniversary. Give him the single and can you do it again? Three, two, one go. Yeah, I want to say happy anniversary, man, and my wife. It's our 10th anniversary, man. A lot of y'all always hear me reference on this couch that she is my better half

and things would have been fell off the rails without her. And that is true. She has been putting up with me for 20 years. We've been married for 10. And this is a special occasion, man, for me and her. She has a lot of me grace over the years. to grow into a man and be the person that I am, the husband of the man I am today. So this is her day, her special day man for putting up with me.

Happy anniversary. That y'all, suck. I mean, brother. Ah, man. Your ass must have been in trouble or some, you're just some trouble. When? Reefman? No.

Clean slate as of late. You been good? As of late. I've been great. Why put your feet when you walk in? Yeah, I've been good, man. I've been, no, I've had, listen, I said, them first 10 years, I said, we've been 20 years. From first 10, it wasn't easy, man.

For her to still be with me after that and marry me after 10 years, it wasn't easy. Trust me. So I put that woman through hell for 10 years, and I knew it, and I wasn't easy. So for her to allow me the grace to grow. We know. Wow. All the food good. All the food good.

Appreciate everybody in this chat. Appreciate everybody on this couch. We had a full house today to celebrate the next historic comeback game five on Saturday. Version 7, baby. Burrs. 07. Don't mean this there, beat it's there. This has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog.

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