Gil's Arena - The Lakers' MAJOR Injuries ENRAGE Gil's Arena

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

The Los Angeles Lakers' MAJOR Injuries SILENCE Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Luka Doncic & Austin Reaves going down with major injuries that knocked them out of the remainder of the NBA Season and debate if the LeBron James & the Lakers are cooked with their 2 best played sidelined heading into the NBA Playoffs. They also discuss if Luka Doncic should be given a special exemption to the NBA's 65 game minimum rule as Slovenian Jesus will miss out from regular season awards by just one game and debate if JJ Redick deserves more blame for playing Luka & Reaves deep into the Lakers' blowout loss to the OKC Thunder. Next, they highlight what may go down as the NBA's game of the year as Victor Wembanyama & Nikola Jokic faced off in an incredible showdown to cement a rivalry between the 2 European MVP Candidates and preview what may be an all time NBA Playoff matchup. They also react to Wemby going down with a bruised rib and discuss if there should be concern for the French phenom heading into his 1st NBA Playoff series before debating if the Spurs should roll out their superstar for 1 more game to make him eligible for regular season awards. Finally, they react to Cooper Flagg ending the debate for the NBA's rookie of the year as the Dallas Mavericks' young superstar made history with back to back 40 point games including a 50 burger to spring himself over Kon Knueppel as the league's best rookie. PLEASE give us a LIKE and SUBSCRIBE!! VOTE THE ARENA FOR BEST SPORTS PODCAST - https://shortyawards.com/vote/ Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Kenyon Martin, Swaggy P, & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... If prescribed, new sexual health patients get $15 off their first order of Sparks on a recurring plan. Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/arena to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you. SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:45 Jokic Battles With Wemby 0:07:13 Wemby Goes Down With A Bruised Rib 0:54:04 Luka & Austin Reaves Suffer Major Injuries 1:16:47 Joker's Legacy Sparks A Gil's Arena Meltdown 1:45:19 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right. We got a lot to discuss. Here's what's cracking in Gills Arena today. Wimby and Yokic faced off for the first time this season. Yonk, the Joker improving to five and two against a young French frie nom. What statement did the three-time envies? VP make, he is still burping babies, can you just not once in Los Angeles.

He shifted to San Antonio. Speaking of Wimby, he suffered a bruised rib in the Spurs 60th win over the Sixers. Should San Antonio let the alien play one more game to be award eligible? And last but not least, the Lakers will be without Luca and Austin Reeves for at least the rest of the regular season are the purple and gold cook. But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog. Underdogs available in most states, including Texas, California, and Florida. New customers get $50 in bonus entries when they play just $5. To get started, just use Code Gill when you sign up and it'll load instantly.

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There's people crazy, man. Diabolical, man. But let's get into some NBA action. The present and the future faced off in Denver this weekend. Three-time MVP, Nicole Yoker, is going to head-to-head with MVP advocate, Victor Wimbignamma, for the first time this season. Spurs into the matchup with the league best

27 and 2 records since February 1st one of those losses coming to the Nuggets on March 12th Wimby did not play in that one San Antonio had won 11 straight since that game meanwhile Denver was riding a seven-game winning streak of their own this potential playoff matchup definitely had a playoff feel

as both teams did not disappoint and what turned out to be one of the best games of the season. Let's take a look at some highlights if we can please. Yokish came through with another monster performance and showed why many still think he's the best player in the world. Joker put up 40 points, a 13 assist with not a near-nut-a-turnover, eight boards and three blocks in 44 minutes of action. It was his fifth 40-point game

this season and first in the year, Our Lord, 2026. Wimmy did his thing as well. Wimby had 34 points, 18 rebounds, seven assists, and five blocks in a season high tying 40 minutes. The Alien 8 for 17 from the field, 16 for 17 from the line. It was his third straight game with at least 30 points, 15 rebounds in three blocks, which is tied for the second long streak. Since blocks started getting tracked in the 73-74 season, Spurs led by as much as 11 in the final frame. That's blocks. Makes of that bucket right there, and we're up by as much as six with over a minute to play.

But then the nuggets started roaring back. Yeah, you see it. Burping babies. That's Kenya likes to say. New baby on the block. New baby at the daycare, baby. So like I said, Spurs were up six.

Nuggets came back. Yonaird died up, Aaron Gordon. That game time. Buckingie Witt. We had a chance to win it in regulation, missed the shot. With the overtime and in an overtime, Yolkis took over scoring seven of the Nuggets,

12 points. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Including this fadeaway over Wemby to put the Nuggets up forward with a minute. In the words of the great Chuck Yackin. And then he hit this floater over the Frenchman as well. Ten seconds left to put the game out of reach Nuggett snap. The Spurs 11-game winning streak got their eighth straight win in the process.

So after the game, both Yolgits and Wimbi had high praise for each other. I think the first time I play against him, I told you guys that he's going to change the league and he's going to change the basketball. And I still, I still, how to say, think that. And I think he has an opportunity and chance to be the most unique basketball player ever played the game. Obviously, I really got the best offensive. player in the world. So when you come into these games,

you always have to be focused in defense because you don't want to, like, they've been the best offense of the best, I don't know, five years, maybe, I don't know, for a reason. So we have to be, to come into the game, I think so many-minded. I think we, I think, I would say,

we did a pretty good job. It was a real fun game, and we're going to run enough of that. So I'm coming to this, matchup the Spurs were 48 and 2 this season when holding a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter. They're now 48 and 3, but two of those losses coming from the Nuggets

in the past three weeks. So Gil, I know we don't like to talk about statement games, but it's one of the best games of the season. What statement did Yokic and Wembe make in their first meeting this season? Statement for each other? Or the amendment for each other? I mean, they both played phenomenal basketball.

Yogi is a three-time MVP. He's averaging 37 against him, so, you know, the fact that that's what he does, there's no statement need to be made. I think those trophies is what the statement is. You know, Winby showing that he can, you know, fight and defend his own, you know, most of these guys, you know, seen him the rookie year. They embarrassed them. Sophomore year kind of got hurt this year.

Still saying embarrassment, but he's getting better offensively in trying to figure out what his game is. And I got to ask Kenyon, you know, as a defensive player, he's defensive player of the year, and we see the impact defensively that he puts in a game. My question is individually can he actually

contain his man? Like all the guys that... Those two guys he got a problem with. All the guys that are scores at that position he has problems with. Like so is he

like just a great help side defender right? And so he gets a little stronger? He's... I don't know how much stronger. He's lighten the frame. Your best... What they do a good job is getting into his body, eliminating, you know, they're taking that jump in the ability to wait for him to block shots on the ball.

I've seen he's only had, there's only two big that he has, well, one and a half big that he has problems with him, because Joelle is not as available as we would, I'm saying? Hope. But certain guys are better off ball than they own. Right? And I think he's a better off ball, better being.

in areas and affecting the game in that manner than on ball right now. From what I've seen. But the job doesn't require him to be that anymore, right? It's only a couple times a year unless they have to play in the playoffs again, then you know what that's going to be.

Right? So I think Joel scored 70. rookie against him that was and then you got nicole that he was one i mean he could have won defensive player that year that year too it's just like little things like it's off ball though like i look at little things like one mannerisms right but that's come with age every time somebody scores on him he gets down on himself right that that's just youth but one thing that i'm seeing him do a lot of is when he challenges a ball he's taking off like that you're he's a guard.

Yeah, that's... Like, he plays like he's Kerry Kittles. He challenges and keeps going. Like, yo, you know you the big man steal. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if they get the officer rebound, like, they're going to put it back and you're not there. So he just, he challenges and keeps going for the outlet pass.

I'm like, you... You got to stay locked in on, you know, especially, you know, moving forward, but those are just like little things that could be awesome. But dominant-wise? There's only a couple guys you got to worry about. He's... The way the game is, everybody's all over the place.

and so that's why he's like he's a dominant force though like just being out there like if he played 39 minutes a game this league is over with it. It's clear like it's clear like he's doing this in 27 minutes. If he played an extra 11, 12 minutes

a game you're giving them a minute I was that 34 yeah in 34 35 minutes a night it's easy I mean it's play 40 in this one with the overtime yeah this league is his

there's really nothing nobody's gonna be able to do And obviously, when we had an injury, but we're talking about this game first, then we'll move forward. But play 40 minutes against his Nuggets with swag. When you see Wimbi and Yokic going at each other like that, what statement did both those guys make in that game? Both said it had a playoff-type feel. The playoffs is going to be fun, man. I like the energy, Wimmy Brown, for real. As a young player, going up against Joker, somebody you consider one of the best players in the game.

And didn't back down. But, no, Joker still showed them who's number one right now until, you know, probably next year or the year after. But I think Joker should have moved up in the MVP race after that for sure to number two for me. Some people could put on number one. But yeah. That was the statement game as for the MVP race, I feel, too.

Oh, okay. Do you feel like Joker should have campaigned after that? This is your MVP? That's what he should have said after that last shot. Wimby previously said he didn't think, I mean, he said Yolkes' best offensive player in the league, but said he doesn't think he's the best player in the league, gave that distinction to SGA and Yannis. Yeah.

What was saying? Wimby had previously said that he thought SGA and Yonis were the best players in the league. Yeah. he's the best offensive player in the league, but from a two-way standpoint, does not have that respect from Wemby. That's why he has to him every time he... That's why he putting belt-the-ass every time he sees you. I'm going to show you who the best offensive player is. I don't understand, I don't understand, like, I don't like that when people say two-way,

the examples that they're using is the wrong examples. two-way players were very high-level scores, top two, three in the league, and they were first-team defense. First-team defense, and you average 21, 22, 23, you're on the lower end of a two-way player. You're in that Clay Thompson, Jimmy Butler area. Like, two-way players, when we think about the Kobe's, the Kim Ilage ones, the Shaquille O'Neils, the Kobe, the Jordans, the Jordans, those. Those guys are top two, three, and scoring. They're averaging 29, 30, and they're locking down on defense. You know, some of these guys are defensive players that can put the ball in the basket a little bit.

So when you're talking about two-way, when we think of two-way, that you have to be, you have to be top tier at both categories. So would you put SGA in that kind? Obviously, Yonica belongs in that category. SGA would be in there. I mean, he still has to make first team all defense. And same thing with Jalen Brown. Jaylon Brown jumped into because he's holding

it down and scoring this year. There's just different levels of just saying everybody's a two-way player. You know? Like when I think too, I'm thinking, when we think two, we're thinking the top tiers. And that top tier is you're leading the league

and scoring and you're defending people. I don't agree with that, Gil. I think Clay, because Clay is considered that. Yeah, Clay. You through Clay in that conversation, Clay don't fit that lower

a tier of two-way player. Clay was locking shit down and giving you 23 a night. 23 a night. But that's 23 a night. Ain't nothing to thumb the nose out. You're 20-21. But you don't have to lead the league of scoring

to be considered a two-way guy. No, no, no, no. A top five NBA score and you still locking shit down and you putting up a dub a night, you're considered a two-way play. No, that's what we walked it down to. No, that's what it is. We walked it down to the clays and stuff.

That's what it is. When we said two ways back in the 90s, it was the top score. that defendant. Who? Give me... Kareem. Everyone you can name.

Kareem was shot by. He wasn't considered a lockdown. We didn't consider Kareem a two-way player. He played a five. Blocks, they don't go. He wasn't the first team all defensive player? But he's a five. He ain't locking shit down.

Hakeem Olajian won. He didn't lock. He didn't leave the league. I would put Hakeem in that. He led the league in steals and blocks. Yes. It's the same thing. But I'm not going to put Kareem in that character.

I'm gonna put Clay in that category. But you put in Wendy in that category, right? Who's that again? Scottie Pippen. I'll put him in that category. Yeah, see, Scottie Pippen, yeah. I put him in that category. That's the low tier.

But he's not leading, lower tier. What the fuck is about Scottie's lower tier? That's a two way. What about Scottie Pippen being a six-time champion in an Olympian and being a lockdown defender on and being able to score is lower tier? A lockdown defender. What's a lower tier about it? On offense.

What's a lower tier about it? On offense. How? You're averaging 21. What is lower tier about that? Who will? Who besides Jordan was averaging 30 consistently? Kobe.

No, you named before then. You named Kareem. You named guys before these new guys. But you named the 90s. You said 90s. Really? Huh? So consider two-way guys?

When they came up with the idea, when they started using the word two-ways, it was scores, high-level scores that defended their ass off two. Who makes it so is Ron Artes consider a lower tier? Score on offense? He's a two-way player.

And that's what I'm saying. He's a two-way player. There's no distinction. Like, I'm not distinct. I'm not putting like, I know. I know what he's saying. I said, I know what he's saying, but I don't agree with it. That's what I'm saying.

I hear him, but I don't agree with saying that guys like Clay and other guys that average 20 22, 23, and can lock down a lower tier at anything. Because it ain't easy to average 23, 24 in his league. You act like it is. It's not. Andre Igo Dahlia was a two-way player.

So he was on the same level as Paul George as a two-way player? Yeah. Paul George is a two-way player. Paul George is a two-way player. Yeah. Andre I know. I know, I'm saying, I know, but are they on the same level? Like, Paul George as an officer player.

He had a chance to be number one. He was the number one, right? Right, right. Has Clay ever been the number one? No, that's my fault. I know. So, I know. I know.

How can they be in a position to be number one? I think he would be. Drew Holiday. Drew Holiday. Look at the name. Yeah. I think. Yeah.

But that's a high. Number. But my thing. That's an elite. That's where Paul George. That's what. If you play had the opportunity to be a number one, right? And everything ran through him.

It would be on the same levels. He would. Yes. But just because the guy that they have an MVP candidate. And Steph, who's the number one. Right. I'm still elite at what I do on both sides of the ball. No, you are, but you're not on that level.

Yes, he is. No, you're not. Yes, he is. He's walking down the same defense. Yes, he is. You can't. You can't score like me. You can't.

I can't. I just don't have the opportunity to because we want to play for the other guy. You can't. You can't score. Yes. I can't. I can't. Who can't be?

Why not? Because it doesn't max it. Because Paul George is up here on offense and defense and you're down here on offense. So how is that? How is he down where? Because you're scoring. You're just.

You're not on the same level? That's the I am. I'm on an MVP level. So you take no distinction that Steph Curry plays on the same team with this guy. I'm asking you a question. Duane. Duane Wade was a two-way player? So it ain't a problem.

No, but you're not on my level. You're not on my level, though. Steph is the number one player, right? Okay. On that team. And he has been the number one while we're talking about Clay doing what he was doing, right? Okay. Making all defensive teams.

Yes and no. Clay was making all defense teams Okay Yeah He ain't got the offense that I judge Because he don't The plays don't run for

But that's not the argument The argument is The argument is he is Two-way player You're not the same bottom Trier Bodies There's nothing bottom From levels of skill

It doesn't got nothing to do his When was the first time you heard a two-way player And who was the place? I don't know when the first time I heard a two-way player Gil Scotty Bittman But my vision don't like the way I watch the game, it don't lie to me.

When you can score and you can play defense. That's it. No, because they're, no, no, because they're, no, no, because they're, no, no, because yeah, it is what it is. You play defense and you play offense. So Jimmy Buller is the same. They moved the number. They moved the criteria.

You remember that this is what they, this is what two way happened. This is what happened to two way. You remember the stat of before or when Russell hit the triple double year. It was three people in the category. It was Oscar Robinson averaging 30 something and something, 11, 11. LeBron James, where it was 29, 8, and 7. And then it was Westbrook, right? That was 30, 11 and 11.

And then. What goalpost are moving now? And then they moved a gold post for Draymond Green, 11 and 7. They said, what did they say? They don't know. These four players are the only people in history to do this. Now you have three people. who's averaging 29, 9, and 8.

And then they put this mediocre stat to say you're part of it. He's not. That's the same? He's not. No, but he was. He's not. Because they moved it down. My eyes don't lie to me.

Okay, but you're not even listening to what I'm saying. Because it's irrelevant. Can you read the stat? No, because two-way players was these high-level scores that made number one deeper. I'm never going to push Dr. Man in that category. They lowered it down for everyone to be controlled a two-way player. Brandon, would you ever consider Dr. Raymond in that category.

What category? That you just mentioned with Oscar Robinson, LeBron James, and Russell Westbrook. I'm trying to find out. As a two-way player, no, there wasn't a two-way player. So what,

why did you bring it up here? Why do you bring it up there? I was showing you an example. What example of what? How they water down a stack. What's that? Try it again. What's that?

The closest person to triple doubles, they averaged. What's that? One average, 30, 11, and nine. Okay, that's Oscar. The second one? 30, 11, 11, 11.

Okay. The next one is LeBron James, 29, 7, and 8, whatever it was. And then... Then who is they? Whoever does the stats. And then Draymond Green. A lot of people do that.

And then Draymond Green average, what? It was like 14, 15, 8 and 9. So the stat went from averaging 30 all the way down to Draymond Green's stat. Please don't do the face this. Stay here. You got a stay with two-way player. Let's stay with two-way player, man.

Let's stay with two-way player. Let's stay with two-way players. 14, 10, and 7. He averaged 14, 10, and 7 in the 15 and 16 season. Okay, so what did they do with the original? Who is what I'm trying to get to do? What did they do with the original stat to fit him in there? Who is day, Gil?

So the stat was. Tell me who they is. If the stat... I heard all that. Tell me the day is. If the stat was 30, if the stat was 30, 10, and 7, they move in. They move they move this step all the way down.

Who is they, Gil? You keep saying they. Who is they? Bro, if you stop interrupting. I heard everything you say, Gil. No, you're not. I've heard everything you said. They dumbed the stat down to put Draymond in it.

Let me finish it. They dumb the stat down to put Draymond in it. Is that not the face is up? Can I just finish the point? You did. And then you can go. They dumbed the stat down to put Draybun in it. Right?

Okay. Cool. And I ask who it's day. Media. Media. What media? Everybody does stats. Media did the stat.

What media, Gilles? Any media, dog. Any media can do a stat that you go with. But it's a triple double step, though, Gil. So, try and 10. He don't fit it. Either way and go. He did fit it.

Who ever, Draymond, average triple double. No, it wasn't. He ain't average near a triple double. Bro. It wasn't a triple double. So what are y'all saying then? If you stop talking, we can just say it. I'm confused.

I'm confused. You're confused. I'm not. Because he don't fit the stat. Okay. That was three people that average 29 plus 10 and 7.

Okay? We know those three people. So then they changed it to 14. Let him finish, please. And then Draymond had a season where it was 14, 10, and 7. So what they did, media, they dropped the stat all away from 30 to 14, 10, and 7. So there was four people in history

to average at least 14, 10, and 7. Right? even though these are two different types of stats. Same thing with two-way players. There was two-way players that average at least led the league in scoring or was number two, with 29 to 32 and was first-team defense. Then they dropped it all the way down to guys who averaged 2021

and put them in the same tier, even though it's two different tiers of scoring, and they just dumbed down the thought of what a two-way player was. by a question, who is they? The media. What media? Any media. Anybody that can fit your argument? That's what you're going to do with.

But let's go back to the two-way. Don't get away from the two-way. No matter what, all that shit he just said, the man still don't fit the category. I don't get a fuck. Who put the category together? Who? J-Mond don't fit the category.

So I don't get a fuck. What needed, what, who did, what, when they did it, how they tried to change it. Let's move from that. This and the third. We're talking about two-way players. He don't fit the category in what? A two-way player.

Average in 14, 10, 10, and 7? A two-way player. So you know how he don't fit? No, no. So I didn't get in this conversation. Because I was showing you an example. That example doesn't matter in this conversation. No, no, it was showing you an example how they dumbed down a stat to fit someone.

But they did do this. They didn't agree with dumbing down a stack. But they did. Just like we don't agree with dumbing down your scoring 10 points. Who's dumbed that? Who's dumbed it down? Who's the scoring threshold versus defensive threshold to make somebody a two-way player? No, that's not how.

Yeah, no, that's a question. Go back. I'm hearing the question. It ain't no threshold. That's what the scoring was. I can play both sides of the ball. So, give, back to. I can play.

I don't have to average 25. I don't. I want to get more people that. He's not. I want to get some more people that's done this. Who? Like the Tayshan Prince and Scotty Pimp. I would.

I'm not considered a day. I'm not considered a two-way players. That could score a little bit. I'm not considered. Ron Artet. I'm not considered. It's not on the same level. Ron Artes can play both sides of the ball.

No, you can play both sides. That's a two. that's a two. Two-way player. But they used two-way as dominating both sides. That's what two-way was called. So give me those guys, Gil? Who dominated him?

It was Michael Jordan. It was Kobe Bryant. It was Kareem. It was Shaquille O'Neal. Those were the names that they were using as two-way dominant. That means I'm dominating offense. So, Shay, right now, he's number two in scoring and number six. That is what they used as the criteria.

But he's never made it all defenses. He's not. But that's how they named it. But would you still consider him a good two-way play even without making being a quote-unquote top-ton defender in the league? I would say he's a two-way player, but I wouldn't put him in a category as those guys that were. Why not, though?

Why not, though? How not, though? He averaged in 30 and all these things. So why not? They won first team. Like, there's a stat. So you have to be first. So you have to make an all-defensive team in order to be recognized as a defender.

and the stat, yeah, just like you have to win a champion to be recognized as a champion. So you have to make all defensive teams. So we don't watch basketball. Yeah, we do. So we don't watch basketball. The term two-way player as a popular descriptor for NBA players

is selling both on offensive defense gained significant traction in the mid-2010s. Okay. Mid-2010. So before that, no one was using the word. So, Kareem. Nobody was using. losing a term for that.

2K actually prominently placed it. That's when they start naming it. When? 2010. When Kobe, they was naming it two ways. They finally put a category. Why do you think I keep saying those same names? But you said Will.

You said, Carlis. You said Will, Corrine, Michael Jordan. 90s. So look, I got you right here. Just your point right here. Historical context. All around play was norm and a unique skill. Players like Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen,

Akim, Elijah, Juan, Gary Payton. wore all around forces, two-way forces on both sides of the ball. So you can shift from that to the specialist and all of the other different aspects. With that, so Gary Payton is not elite. On the offensive event? Yes. He averaged 27 and 28. He's not elite.

He's not elite. Yes. Gary Payton. He's not elite basketball player. Elite two-way player. Lead two-way player. Is he or is he not? Gil, come on.

Gary Payton was it? Yes. Gary Payton was an offensive guy. Did he not average 28? 24 was the most he averaged during the season. I'm going to say 28. But had one, two, three, four, five, six. Like six seasons average the 21st.

So the year that he averaged 24, right? So 24. It was just high, right? Did he make all-N-B-A team? Yeah, first team all-N-B-A, first-on-B. So him averaging 24, Gil, that's not a league. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Is he not elite, Gil? For sure. He only average 24. He's elite. So he's an elite two-way player. He may first team all-N-B-A. To your credit, to what your argument is,

he got to average 30 and be first-team all-distance, right? That's what all-in-was, yes. So he's first-team all-N-B-A, defense, and only average 24. Is he an elite two-way player? Is he an elite two-way player like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille, O'Neal, Hakeem-Ey-Loges. That's in your...

I'm asking me. He made first team. All-in-defense, first team all-N-Bee. All-Defense, first team all-N-Bee. And he only averaged 24 points. What does all... It doesn't matter losing a win and Nick, it doesn't matter. What does all NBA... You brought it up?

No, what does all making the all-N-B-A team have to do with being a high-level number one or two schools? You said he has to average 30. My question. is. Does he average 30s, he average 24? So you said he asked to make an all defense team, right? That's how they did it. So he made it all, he made an all defense. Elite defense and he made first team all NBA. First team all NBA. He let his team is scoring. Okay. He led his team is scoring at 24 points again. Did he lead the league in

scoring? What does it matter? What does it matter? What does it matter? If he led the league or not, he's still doing it on both. He's doing it on both sides of the ball. That's really the only criteria. Can you score? Can you score? Can you? I don't know where they're missing it. No. I don't know where they're missing it. If you're top five in scoring and top five in defense, that's what they called. Only top five.

Yes, that's what the, so like Wimby is one and 13. Anthony Davis is a two-way player. Yes. Okay. It's like we know who they are, but you just keep trying to move people in there. No, great players are great players, but. When we're talking about an expert and an expert, those are two-way players. So why a Lennel?

Seventh in the league. There is a level. He was seven in the league. So him averaging 24 in the league, he was seventh in the league that year. He's scoring. So is that elite? Yeah. Huh?

Top seven, yeah. Okay. I'll put him in there. That's the, that's what, thank you. And is it just scoring? So you don't have to average 30. You have to be in the top tier of scoring, dog. But you don't have to ever.

Okay. How about this. What do you need to be defensively to be? He didn't have to be. make first team. I have no idea. You need to be top five to make first team, right? I don't know what the criteria is doing for that shit. Okay, how about this?

If we have a scoring, if we have a scoring, a scoring category and a defensive category, to be first team all defense, that has to be a top five, right? You have to be top five to make that. Now, if there was a scoring offensively output,

you would have to be top five to make those positions. So that means, that means, that means top five offensive players will make first team offense. If you are top defense, defense, yes. But that ain't the way. If the GP is average, I'm just, I just, I just, I don't. That's offense.

But you said you had to have that. That's all offense. That's all offense to production. No, but you said that they bought it, but you had to score 30. That's to be considered elite. Every name that was in there. To consider every. Yeah.

To consider every. Everybody that was in there. But Gary Payton did. Now, now. He's seventh in the league that year. And that's not the criteria of what a two-way player is. That wasn't the definition that you have to be elite. People wouldn't, the point I'm making by Gary Payton is, right?

And we can move on. People wouldn't scoring like they are scoring nowadays, right? More guys averaging 24 than they did back then, right? For him to be seventh in the league average in 24, that's elite. Yes, elite. So. But it's not elite there. Elite where?

There's Hall of Famers, right? Elite where? There's Hall of Famers, but all of Hall of Famers standing on the same pedestal? No. So when Ron Artez was averaging 20 in sack and then all defense, that wasn't him being both sides of the ball? He's a both side. Okay, how about this? So he averaging 20 and he's all defense?

If we put everybody's offensive stats, that was in that category, and you have someone who average 50, 38, 48, 48 in their years, and then you got Kobe averaging 35 first team all defense. That means he's top five in the defense and he's top five in scoring. And then you got Shaquille O'Neal, top five in defense, top five in scoring. Right, you got Hakeem, top five in defense, top five in scoring. And then you want to start adding non-top five players in both categories. So they're not top five in category. It has nothing to do with what a two-way player is, though, Gil.

You're just separating it. You're separating the criteria based on stats. When he's talking about a player who can play both sides of the ball, when you say a guy, you're going to line up with a guy. Check it out. You're going to line up with a guy. With Joe Dumas is considered? Scouting report.

He's going to put 20 on you and he's going to lock you up. He's going to guard you on this end and he could potentially give you 30. He could potentially give you 25. But he's averaging 20. On the scouting report, he's averaging 20. So we're looking at him like, hey, bro, he can actually score. We've got to respect his offense. And we don't want to go to his side of the court because he can steal the ball.

That's a two-way player regardless of stats. It doesn't matter about your stats. It means we respect you on both sides of the ball. Clay Thompson. You got to respect. Clay can drop 60 on you any night. But you got to also know that he's going to guard the best player on this side. The best guard, Clay got him.

He can put up 40 on you any night. I'm in the MVP race for doing. I know. So that means I'm on a different level. That means I'm on a different level. But you can be on a different level. You can be. That means what I'm saying.

But there's still a two-way player. It doesn't say. That's fine. Your two-way is down here, though. Yeah. But it's still, it doesn't separate it, though. Yes, it does. To me, if I'm in the input.

But you're still a two-way player. That's fine, but you're not on my level, though. But that's what we're talking about. I'm number one. We're not talking about the level. We're talking about, this is what a two-way player is. And the funny part is, when I, when you move Draymond Green stats, that 14, 10, and 7 into the category of 30 10-10 and 7, they don't like that.

They don't like this mediocre stat with these greats. He don't fit because he don't, he didn't do what they don't fit. Those other three guys, we're talking about with Clay, you don't fit. You don't fit. No, that's he does. Now, listen to what you're saying. Clay does fit. Clay does fit.

The Clay average 20-something in the lead. At the bottom level, though. There's no bottom level if nothing Clay has ever done. 23 is not on the same level. It's not on the same level. I'll leave my team and I'm doing it. This is not on the way. You're not on the way.

You're the help. You're the head. Dremont Green didn't fit this category. They moved the category all the way down to Draymond's stats. So the category now was 10 or 14, 10 and 7. So Yokage is now in that and Luca. It's Luke did Luke in that? So now you got four or five people that I put,

when you're talking about being elite score, anything that has to do with somebody doing something like that, that Draymond would be. No, we're talking about a stat that was 14, it was 30, 10, and 7. They moved it down to 14, 10, and 7. So now there's five, now there's five people. people in this category, right? There's five people.

No it ain't. No it ain't. Four people then their average, 30, 10, and 7. And then you got Draymond Green because they moved the stat line down. They moved the criteria so far down to make an appeasement. You still ain't told me who is they. It's like the thadiest young graphic from me. Tell me that.

So players with 800 games to average 13.5 points, 5.9 rebounds and 1.4 steals with 49% field goal percentage and 30%. Three-point field goes, Magic, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, and Thaddy. That is, yeah. Come on, man. And I watch basketball. No, no, so he don't like that.

No, he don't like that. I don't like it. I watch basketball. And I know Thaddy's Lund don't belong on that motherfucking page. Exactly. Bigger? But Clay Thompson dug it on both sides of the store. Now I'm going to ask you a question.

Yes, please. Okay. We have. Yes. Wilstats. Okay, what about it? Okay. We have Jordan stats.

Okay. Okay. We have Kobe scoring in defense. We have Shaquille O'Neal. We have Kareem and we have a dream. Okay. Do Clay Thompson fit in that group? Well, I've never seen Wilk play.

Didn't see. No, no, you don't have to say. No, no, no, didn't see. Does he belong in there? Gary Payton belongs in that category. Yes, right. Yes, he does. Does Clay belong in that conversation?

Does Clay belong in that conversation, though? Gary Pay definitely belongs in that conversation. The category would be 31 plus. Oh, that's the category. Not a basketball conversation. It's a stat conversation. Yes, that's what it was. Oh, we're having a basketball conversation.

You're having a stat conversation. When we're a scouting report, don't play Thompson. You have to guard him. You can't just leave him open. You can't. not pay attention to Clay Thompson. He is going to give you 30 if you do not do what we tell you to do defensively

on him. Okay, on the other end, he's going to guard you. He's going to not make it easy. Like, that's a two-way player. Okay. So y'all having a stat conversation and we're having two different conversations. No, no, no, no. We're having two different conversations. No, no, no. We're having two different conversations. No, we're having the same

conversation. You're having the stat conversation. No, no, no, no. And we're having the people that play basketball. You got to say. I'm going to put Clayton. No, no, what I'm saying is, the guys that we're talking about, y'all talking about stats. Is number one in offense and number one in defense. They're talking about number one in defense and number two in offense.

They're talking about stats. A two-way player got to be a guy that could create their own shot on offense. Like, I'm, like, I would put Ant Man, the Jalen Browns. This year. Clayton and me. Clay only made one all the difference. Okay. I've seen it.

Okay. We watched the game. Anthony Davis. Are they, are they not? Everybody on this level of average. 30 plus points. Okay.

I don't care about how many points they have. You're having a stat conversation. You're having a stat conversation. We're having a basketball conversation. We're having two different conversations. Because we watch the game. Because we watched Raymond Green. He's not a score.

Trey Bond Green is not a score. He's not a school. He don't got his own plays. He's not going to do it. They're not calling plays for Draymond. That's why he don't fit this. Huh? They don't call plays for Draymond.

He get his out of the mud. Did they call plays for Clay Thompson? Every time. That ain't what I asked you, nigger. Oh, man. I asked you, did they call plays for Clay? They call plays for everybody. No, they don't.

They don't call plays for Draymond. Come on, man. I can promise to they did. Slip back door. Come on, man. Hey, so did they, see this, no,

no, man, they're going to, we gotta keep going with this thing, man, you want somebody every 30,

we have the basketball don't think, I'm having, I'm having the conversation. No, I'm having the conversation. No, I'm having the conversation. But it's about levels,

though. Everyone is the number one coaching and the number one school. It's about levels. There are two ways. You got to be on that level. You got to be on that level. Two ways?

That's what we're saying. Two ways with freedom. They're trying to erase the line and make everybody go. Everybody. Everybody is. Two way. Two way.

Thank you. That's fine. That's what you just said, right? We agree. You agree. You just don't know. When you say that there's this and there's this, right? What category is it?

It's a two-way category. First ballot and a second ballot. I'll make this argument. There's Hall of Fame, right? It's not everybody. There's a Hall of Fame and then there's a Hall of Fame and then there's a Hall of Fame. And that's the first ballot, right? And that was the conversation I said.

I said when they did this guy, it was only goal. He still not on that tier. They did not have. Have silver two-way players or bronze two-way players. Two-way. First Ballet Hall of Fame. He's not a- Cool. But no, what I'm saying is,

like I made tears, I said when they first did this, that it was only gold members of this. Who is they? Now it's silver and bronze, and you're trying to mix it like they're together. No, but it's two. It says 2010, 2010 was when they made it. Who?

Co-Average 28. Right. No, but early Kauai was not. Was not average it. He was an two-way player. Didn't he want defensive player in San Antonio? Yes. Was he average 28?

No, he was not. So he waited a little. Was he elite? Was he two-was he too. He was not an offensive player. When he was not an MVP? When we're talking about you? Andre Iqadala was averaging 20 in his lock and defense in Philly.

In Philly, Andre Iqadah was a two-way player. 100% he is. What you mean? Yeah, he may play on the same level. So, Kawhiamee first team all NBA, they two-way players, average in 21 and seven. Doesn't depend on. No, we're talking about this.

Oh, wow, once again, hold on, once again. We got a guy that's averaging 21. May first team all defense, first team all NBA. Finish second and MVP voting. Second MVP votes. Is he elite? Who? He's elite.

Wilde. Yes. What is elite? When he average 21? When he average 21. He's elite. He didn't average 30. No, you said it was 30.

No, you did. No. 30. Let me, let me. You're using the word elite. So the bidsmark is 30, right? He's elite. Listen, so the bishmark is 30 points, right?

Gold for gold, how about this? For gold member, two-way players. Is he a gold member? For gold member, two-way player now, is he a gold member? 29 now. Is Kawhi Leonard? I'm asking you a specific question. In this year.

No, no. San Antonio. This year we're speaking of. 2015-16. Is he a gold member? Wait, hold on. The 21-16. Is he a gold member?

Was he then? The 15-16? He was not a gold member. First team all-N-Bee? But was he a team? Two-way player. Second MVP voting. They moved a category.

He will be silver. No, no, no. Is he a two-way player? Silver. Yes. So you're saying yes, he would be a two-way player. The second most valuable player in the NBA that season. What is a millionaire?

Someone who has over a million dollars, right? Now, somebody who has 900,000. Is he a millionaire? But they got to do it in a thing. Brandon. No, right? He's not a millionaire, right? Are we having a basketball question?

No, he's not a millionaire. That's a bad analogy. No, no. I say, hold on. 0.6 and then 1.1. Am I still a millionaire? Yes. But I'm not at 1.5 or above. I'm at 1.1.

You're at 1.6? I'm at 1.1. But I'm still a millionaire, just like two-way players. I'm still a two-way player. There's a millionaire and then there's under. If the gold member, if everybody in the gold member averages 30, they're number 1, 2, 3 in scoring in the league and they're number 1, 2, 3 in defense. and that's everybody in this gold member.

How are you going to put a guy who's averaging 21? He doesn't fit this criteria yet. Like what are we talking? You don't fit the criteria. So what's the, just because you make first. Is it 30 points? Everybody in the list.

That was average in 30. Everybody averaged 30. Everybody has to name. There was one two and three in school. No, no, no, no. You know, he named multiple guys. So everybody at you named you named before. They were one, two or three in four.

Stop that. They average, they average, they average. They average one. When the corner of law, right? Yeah. In the quarter of law. Wait, wait. Go ahead.

I react to the question. All right. Top five in scoring. I've already said that. But it ain't 30 though. Top five in scoring. Is it 30 or not? Top five in scoring.

Do you know what top five score is? Yeah, yeah, he don't want to. He don't want to step one. All right. Like what's true? You're not going corner him about doing that. Was Kare? Was Kare.

Was Kare. a top five score in the NBA when he was on first team all defense. We're going to say yes. We're going to kill O'Neill. You helped him out. I know my point. You helped him out.

You can help me do shit. You helped him out. I've already said top five in scoring. Then I asked me, do you do you have to ever start and what did he say? No. I said top five. You said yes. You said yes.

And Franks said 28th. He's pretending. He's pretending. I'm not saying top. That list is top five. They're one and one. They're one. Their top five is going to their top five in detail. I ask them a specific question.

Nick, I ask them a specific question. Do you say you have to keep changing little words? No, I ask you a question. How about this? I'm using your words, Gil. How about this? I'm using your words. The gold standard.

The gold standard. The gold standard of the people that were considered two-eight. They were top five in scoring. Okay. And they were top five in defense. For who? For who? In the NBA.

No, I'm saying. Period. Who came up with this? When they put, just like he Googled some shit, They put some things together. They had it. They had a list of golden number two-way players. So you want me to go with it?

That's all I'm saying. They had a gold list. So you want me to believe it, right? I'm just saying they had a gold list. And everybody on this gold list. I don't believe that goal list. Top five in scoring. And it was top five in defense.

So that was the introduction of this elite two-way player. You are to top score and you were the top defensive player. That's what that was. Now when you say it, it's just any niggil who can score a bucket. But they play great defense. I want to know. So therefore, I let you, so. That's what it is.

So therefore, if you want me to believe it, tell me who, what meeting, what criteria? Who came up with you? No. Who came up with you? She would be in there. Of course, Janice every year. Kauai now?

Embed. Kauai this year. M.B. He wasn't the first scene. Fug. What about you? NBee wasn't top. Ain't nobody ever watched basketball

and said Joe L&B was a no way, two way nothing. He didn't make all, I thought he made all defensive team. He's three-time all-defendants. He didn't mean nobody. Listen, y'all, like I said,

three times? Okay, so, so he said. Like I said, like I said, y'all having a stat conversation and we're having a basketball conversation. Wait, hold on.

Yes. The fact that he said no one was saying, no man, you're having the same conversation. We're having the same conversation. We're having. and you're just doing this the bullshit right now. You was just agreeing with us.

You was just agreeing. And now you're saying no. Everything y'all saying. But you agree. We're talking about two-way players. What is he talking about? It's about we're not agreeing. The year that he finished second and MVP voting, right?

First team all NBA, first team all defense, but he only averaged 21 points. Is that, is he considered two-way player? He's on the trajectory then. On the trajectory. On the trajectory? If you had to put them... If you had to put them gold, silver, or bronze, where would you put that... Don't worry, but he's on his way to get in the goal.

First team all-N-BA. He's like... Second and MVP voting. First team all-N-Bade. Average 21? Yes. And finals MVP, if I'm not mistaken. No, no.

26. One of them years. One of them years. One of them years. One of them elites. Win. But, from 17, so he became that. He wasn't that thing?

He was on his way, yeah. He's like a young. Does he he make defense player? A defense player a year? We got one guy who's averaging 30 first team, defense first team. He's averaging 30? That's Kobe. Then 35 first team and first team.

31 first team. That's one person. You want to go to Kareen? Because I can go through every stat. I've already, I've already. Defense player in 2015. Every one average 28 to 30. They were top tier.

They were top of the year. First team on defense. They were top tier scoring. They were top scoring. So is that a, so that's a. And top tee in defense. Okay. Top tier.

Meaning Alan, you know them years where we were in our years? That means for the two ways, it would have to be Alan Iverson, Tracy McGrady. You see how they're top three in scoring? LeBron James. These are the top four. Do you see how those guys? Hold on. You see how those two, those four guys are the top tier of scoring.

Now, if all of them made first team all deep, defense, they will be considered the top tiers of gold member. He led the league and stills. Only Kobe and LeBron in the Laker O's. All right. Well, Chris Paul, not a two-way player? Is he a gold member? No.

I didn't say it about gold. I said, is he a two-way? I didn't say shit about gold. I said, they've watered it down, so everyone makes the two-way. All right, they didn't water anything down. A lot of people are now. All, everybody two-A.

How? Two-A, everybody, two-A. You scored a two-way. Look at you. Did score 20 and just play D? Like, if we're talking about a level, though, different levels. All right, let's keep this thing moving, talk about some stuff going on currently in the National Basketball Association.

So Spurs got their 60th win Monday in the game that was supposed to feature Wimby going up against former MVP, Joelle and Veed. But Wimby's night on the court was cut short with an injury. Let's take a look. What happened? Wimby suffered a bruised rib early in the second quarter after colliding with Paul George while trying to catch a pass in transition. immediately went to the locker room to be evaluated, but returned later in the quarter. Let's see what happens right here.

Oh, Sacri Blue. Wait, what? This was the play right here. Bruce Ribb, I don't know. Where? That's the MB. So left the game. And no beef on that meat.

Left the game. I think it was more of a strain than it was. He's scared of that, man. Came back just in time to get it. hit with the dozen step back by Embed. 44 seconds remaining to go on that quarter. Subdiddle sum out. Sat out the remainder of the games.

So Wimby had 17.5 rebounds in three blocks in just under 16 minutes. So this game does count towards the 65 game minimum, putting him in 64 games. Those players have granted two exceptions. He's 15 minutes and 40 seconds. He grabbed his knee. He was on that trajectory. That trajectory.

So in that 65 game, You get two exemption games, I believe, where as long as you play 15 minutes. As long as you play 15 minutes, you meet that requirement. You need to play at least 15 minutes in those two games. So Wimby must play at least 20 minutes in one of the Spurs next three games to still be eligible for post-season awards. So we will start with you.

Should the Spurs let Wimby play at least one more game so he can qualify? Oh, yeah. Got to play 20 minutes. Do y'all have to ask the tough question? Our MVP. candidate. No, we're going to cost them. We're going to cause him. Yes, no. He's going to play. He's going to play next game.

You're not even going to. You're not even going to attempt to sit out this next game. Because you don't know what's going to happen, right? So, you know, you just go play, get it out the way so that is off your shoulder and you qualify for these awards. Like, this is a very sad time where all these elite players, are not going to get credit for what they've done, but the past got credit for it.

And, you know, when you're talking about arguing for your legacy, you know, these all-MBA teams, these scoring titles, these first-team all deep, these awards are part of the argument people have. Now, some of these guys' legacies won't have these, these, they would have made it no matter what. No matter what, if, if Luca don't play no more, right, he's still going to be first team all NBA. He's top three and four in the MVP race.

So he don't get scoring title. He don't get first team all NBA. Well, that's the only two awards he don't get. Right? So that's off his resume as a player. I think he still qualifies for scoring title. That game minimum is different than 65. I think it's 58, if I'm not a minute.

It's not the same as the 65. How many games you need for that? I think 50s. But, you know, but just, okay, but just let's just stick with the all-N-B-A. This is an all-N-B-A team he don't get. So hopefully, you know, they just play. Yeah, 58 games. They just play Wimby, you know, this next game.

Get it out of the way. So shift over to U-Shod, obviously, see Wimby suffering that bruise rib, rib contusion. Depending on the severity and grade of it, has a varying length of time, potentially to be missed. I think the earliest is probably four or five days, as people were saying. But should the Spurs let Wimby play 20 more minutes in a regular season game, one of their next three games so he can still qualify for postseason awards? First and foremost, shout out to my boy, Barronton Edwards, Bowie, Maryland.

What's up, bro? I want to say right now, I think Wim be going to fight through it. I don't think it's about letting him. I think it's about him knowing the importance of what he wants to leave in this season. with his team. They got to 60 wins, and I think he wanted to be a part of that 60 wins. Being it be cut short based on what happened, I think it was a little tick-tac thing that they didn't want to, you know, make worse or go out there because Joel was going to probably attack that and put some pressure on that. And I think that that would have held him out for the playoffs. And I think they were being cautious, but I think he's been able to nurse that for the next game.

And right now it's about legacy when you talk about the history of the game and you talk about other players who play injured. You talk about this 65 game rule and protecting other people who have played great throughout the season but come up short with the rule. Alan Iverson was one guy who recently posted on his Instagram about playing through injury. And he always played his heart out and left his heart on the floor. and he's like, you know, low management, injury management, like, what's that? They got mad at him for practice that I had to hide my jerseys at times,

so I couldn't come playing the game. He wanted to play. And I think that this generation needs to understand that some of them games that you're missing that's keeping you away from this 65, you could have played. You could have played those games. You can fight through them injuries. And I think that that's the difference between the old school and the new school is that, you know, we fought through injuries.

You played through stuff that you didn't think you could. played through. You went out there, you're 75%, but you knew your team needed you. 80% Joel NB is better than a 100% Kelly Ubre. So you go out there, you do what you can do and give the team all you got. And I think that the guys coming up short with the 65 rule got to see that, that you don't get rewarded from that anymore. Even if they did get rewarded back then, they changed the rule. I think Eam Shumper said something on ESPN recently too about rules. If this is the rule, you got to follow the rule.

Just like the rule was, you can't take more than two steps traveling. If you do, it's the fucking travel. You can't change that. Just stop traveling. Even if you wanted to take three, four steps, you know what the rule is. So now we know the rules. You can't complain about the rules. Luca doing the lobbying through his agent to try to get other days cut.

You know what I'm saying? Based on that, it's like, bro. That is a rule too, though. It's like, if you can take advantage of it and they can file for it, cool. We'll talk about that. If you come up short with it, it's like, bro, just keep it going. You've got to come back next year. It's going to be one of them things just like anybody else would have a deep career in one season,

and then they get injured and it's cut short. The injury is a part of the game, and that's what we've got to live with. So I think that taking care of your body in the offseason, all of these different things matter, matter for 65 games. And that's what they need to start keeping in mind now. If I want them get my awards, I've got to make the 65. I think that would be a lot more beneficial to the players' mindsets now. So in our professional careers,

how many players can you think of that didn't want to play? Yeah, I'm blaming the team. I was going to pick you. I was going to see it. I was going. I was going out there. I was waiting on the fence. I was going there, right?

What was it? How many players did actually? Guys want to play, right? I don't... So we know soft means soft though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you in the back, you know what I'm saying? It's like you could play but you don't want to play.

Yeah, so both, so to what you were saying, right, guys have to keep that in mind, right? Now that this rule has been in place, we don't know if they're going to change it, throw it out or whatever, the case may be the 65 games. We all know injuries are a part of this sport, right? At any given time, anything can happen. You can get a knee contusion, anything can happen where you possibly can miss games. So our mindset, the way we went about it is, like, I'm playing. Because at any given time, this shit, I could be on the sideline.

So there was nothing that nobody could come to us and say that was going to deter us from wanting to play. This is a players league, right? And it's the teams that's trying to protect this thing and these players from like, Because you can't. As we've proven, you can't prevent injuries. You're sitting guys out. It's these teams making these decisions.

Guys want to play. These teams making these decisions and babying these guys trying to prevent certain things which you can't, as we've proven. Players want to play. We get paid to play. That's just what it is, man.

Let me look like he didn't want to play that guy. That's a different case. Why would you say that? That's a different scenario. Oh, you didn't watch the game. I'm saying, you're just saying shit now. You even watch the game. But I was going to get to that.

So let's get back to being a competitor, right? In the competitive nature, we looked at it and was like, what happened? We didn't get hit, but we looked at it like, ah, at certain times during certain situations, you got to play through some shit, dog. That's just what it is. That's a situation where Joel is looked at as here. You didn't play the one game against Nicola.

We think you ducked him. You had a decent game against Nicola the next time you saw. Come out and... You say a decent game? You lost. Did you say a decent game? He lost. He said a decent game?

I'm using your terminology. Give credit, no. He played very well. He played well. He played very well. So my thing was, with Joel being out of the Joel playing, he ain't played a whole lot this year. I'm looking forward to this bump, right? I'm going to get him back.

Well, and Bid was. You're going to have to carry me off of here. I'm playing well up to this point. 17.7.3 and 16, 17 minutes, I'm only something tonight. What did you just say before your statement, though? You said the organizations are making these decisions. But he goes back there. But I started the game.

I feel well enough to finish. If he go back there and they say, chill. Fuck that. So left the game in the second quarter. Came back, played like five, six more minutes, stopped himself out with 45. He didn't know what to grab. Did you see how?

Yeah, it's I-DIS. You're making shit up, Nick. Joel, it's not cool to make shit up. You not even, you're not even watching it. You're not even making this. Here comes out. He grabbed his ankle, his knee, then his head, turned around.

He had 14 and first half, 14 and 14 million. Players were to play. Here, look, what are you talking about. Hey, that's why I asked what I asked other day about Mikkel Breach. Not this part. Don't keep going.

That's why I asked. What I ask what I asked about McCall Bridges. Right? He just played more games than anybody. He ain't missed. I'm pretty sure he got nicks and knacks and bruises and he fucking hurting. You're a little traumatized. The team coming to him like, uh, you won't know.

So we're not going to say nothing about Luca and AR. That's the same thing. Is it the same? So Luca should have kept playing. Through a grade two hamstring tear. No. Look at this play right here. At this place.

Physically, can't do it. Look. Look. Look, look. Watch this. He got medically cleared to play. Who did? After he got something?

Come on, man. Right after you do this? Until he got MRI? And then you run back, confused. Like that. He said he was fired him. I can't believe that shit. Too big.

Back to back. What hurts? He said it was his real. Did he grab his knee just now? I think he was adjusting his very long. That's just Nick being Nick. That's all. I'm going back to the competitive thing here.

That's all. I'm going to be. back to the competitive nature of situations, right? Joel out here playing, man. Cooking. I want that action. That's just what it is, man. He just did a triple scale back on.

And beat 34 and 12 in the game. But Wimby, 15 minutes, 17 points. I think they made the, he tried to come back. He tried to come back. That's what I'm saying. You were on to something good. Left the game, early second quarter, came back, played like four or five more minutes. So if you, that's back and back work, you don't think he wants to come back?

You don't think. He did. He did. So he tried. He tried to come back. And I'm gonna finish the game, bro. Triple step back. That's back to back, though, MVP's, bitch.

He just seen, that's trauma right there. Hey, I want to, out of his mouth, I want to be great. I want to be listed as the grades. The grades have done this. You're great, right? Y'all just, you can't imagine. Y'all started with the quick thing. And then you got to see it.

And then you got to see yogurt again. You're looking at the casual. You're being weird. You start. If he do that on you, what you're doing? It's just, if he just. I don't know what. You're coming out the game?

Stop being weird. Are you coming out of the game? I'm not trying to come back out of the game. Okay. I'm saying, them two, them too. Back and travel. Huh? I don't care what it was.

That's trauma. After the triple step back. Young boy got trauma after what that. Yon just did, then I got to come see this. You don't do that. And even more competitively, right? Yeah, man scored 70 on me at one point, dog. Fuck all that, dog.

Hey, I need some constant try to get back. I ain't ready. 70? Black. Satre blue. Without, I don't know, 70 without warming up. I don't know when you know it. The man didn't warm up before he scored 70.

And then the other dude, the other dude hit the game winner. Nick, the man didn't warm up. The man showed up in the locker room. Y'all sound like y'all put his uniform on. He came out of the . He not paying attention to none of this. I want to play. I want to beat.

Number one, right here, man. He better pay attention. At the top of the top. He better. He better. He better. He better. It's the top of the top.

I have it on good authority. WMB watches Gills Arena presented by a underdog. I just wanted to be French version. He said he ducked Joker. He did. Did he not play the last game? He got baptized. Did he play?

Did he play, though? He played. He played. He played. Gave up 40. You said he was going to duck. Yes, you did. He already ducked.

You said, bro. He can't duck him twice in a week. All right. So he didn't duck him twice in a week. So he did duck. So then he didn't duck, right? He can't. He didn't.

You can't. So what was his stat line in the game? he didn't duck. He had 37, gave up 40. 37, 34, 18. The other guy says five. The other guy had 40. He played and he did not duck. What the other do have? Right? He did not duck. So all I'm saying is he didn't duck. I don't care about what the other dude did.

Oh, you don't care. No, because we're not talking about what he did. We're talking about ducking. The other guy has 40. We're talking about ducking. The other guy had 40. 40 and hit the game winner. How much can be he had? No turn of 14, 13, and no turn of. You have a 37 against you a guy. You didn't guard me at all the whole game.

Duck. 40. Who ducked who? So who guarded who then? So when I guarded you, you did not guard me. I mean, you got Aaron Gordon on me. What you mean? Supposed to be the best to do your job.

You're the guy. You gave a 40. I thought, I thought Joker wasn't moving to me. I thought Joker playing the defense too. You're supposed to be the defense of guy, right? Guard up. 40. 40.

Okay. Y'all agree with each of them. So y'all agree with these things. Right, he's the defense of the right year. The cola don't fit that conversation. We can't put Nicole in the defense's conversation. So don't guard. So don't guard.

Guess what Nicole do. Don't guard. Don't guard. Boom. All right. So as Hoopers, y'all agree with that. So as Hoopers, you agree with that. Okay.

I want the people to know what God are agreeing to. Nicole don't play this. We can't put in the call. The coal ain't never going to be listening to this. Cole ain't never had this. You just said. ducking. You just said you want him to compete. Can you just say

you want Wimby to compete? You just said that. I want him to compete against Joelle. But Joker don't want to guard Wemby. Where's the competition? 40. Where's the competition? 40 ball. All right. Let's be.

40 ball in the win. Let's contradict us. Let's contradict ourselves. Hey, Aaron, Gordon, why won't you let him guard me? Just a 40 ball. Hey, Aaron, why won't you let him guard me? Because it's a game plan. Hey, listen, Wendy. We're talking, hey, we're talking basketball.

Hey, Wimby, you know he can't guard you. Hey, Hey, Wemby. That ain't the game plan. You know he can't guard it. You know he can't guard it. Relax, man. Guess what the scouting report said that came in the locker room when it said matchups? You're not guarding Wimby tonight, Joker.

You're not guarding Joker. So don't think about it. Guess who guarding you? Don't think about it. In the other locker room, guess what, hey, in other locker room, guess what the scouting report said? Wimby, Nicola. Five blocks. 40.

Five blocks. 40. Uh-huh. You got that three with a lot. He had three blocks. He had three blocks. Five blocks. He had three blocks.

Five blocks. Five blocks. Oh, he had three out of here. He had three. No turnovers. No turnovers. 13. 13 dives, no turnovers.

Hey, in the clutching over time. Watch out, man. You're not in the clickbait guy. I don't understand. I never seen y'all acting like this before, man. Seven of them. I never seen y'all acting like this. I never got him in overtime.

Hey, I know he's scoring seven in overtime. Hey, seven out of their 12. Never seen these guys act like this. I'm gonna make the past. Who was gonna. I never seen y'all act like this. Who was guarding Nicole in overtime? I never seen y'all act like this, man.

Who's guarding Nicole in overtime? Whimmy. And he scored seven out of 12. Who was Nicola guarding? Hey, he was guarding. Okay. Hey, he was guarding. They win.

Hey, he was guarding a win. Make sure they get their win. That's what he was guarding. Everything funny when I don't say it, right? It's funny, right? That's what we got. We all used to laugh with my nose. Don't turn off three blocks.

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He'll stop that. Yeah, we did that. We did that. We did that. Huh? I didn't know they won. You did. I'm just looking at your UCLA, but the OSHA they're in the championship against Don Stanley. No, they not.

Don Stanley? No, they not. They didn't South Carolina forfeited. Dapped up and everything. Yeah, they got wild. You got four-free game, dad. They got boomed on. Shout out Corey Close.

When was the game? Lauren Betts. Oh, it wasn't. Gabby Hotcast. It wasn't. Yeah, they got boom. Yeah, they got boom. Huh?

It wasn't a game. You were a fan of women's basketball. It lost about 30. No, but when was the game? I remember the Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. Sunday.

Sunday. day. Four-fifton. She is risen. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, they got four-fif. She is-rish. Yeah, they forfeited. She is- her. She is-old. She was on Easter. I was like, because I wanted to see the game. Shit. You didn't miss nothing.

It was nothing to see. With nothing. It was bad. Yo, are they really, I just got an update for me is, are they really ranking college basketball teams for next year? The niggas just played yesterday. And the transfer portal opens today?

And that's my, that's the next point I was making. Ain't damn near 85% of these kids transferring from their school they had, so you can't rank them. You're talking about Miami, Ohio went unranked. No shit. They don't know who they're going to have next year. They don't know. You got Michigan first starting five. And they don't know who they first to win a national championship.

A few that might leave it. They might enter the porter. You got the Tennessee women's basketball team, only one player on the staff. And she's income. No, she's income. They don't have an active player on the Tennessee women's team. They got one incoming freshman. Players did.

We just had that, it was one of the men's team just had that. Last year it was like St. John, somebody a couple years ago didn't have no active players on their roster and they had to go out and get all 15. Well, hey. Shaw, Corey Close, UCLA Women's Basketball Squad, first NCAA National Chamber. Congratulations. Thank you, I see you, you're still supporting Arizona. Yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah, that was that was worse in South Carolina. How did that game go? I saw a bunch of salsa Liam Stodermeyer, Spide. They was all in there. There was. sad. Josh Paster? Yeah, I was trying to watch it.

Tommy Lloyd? This score wasn't close enough to watch. Turn it on like, woo. Woo! Keep playing these video games. I check back in it to half. Woo!

Got work. All right. This is over. They got, yeah. It got more. Ooh. I look like y'all. What the visual is, y'all in gold standard.

Are not? All the world. All season long. You're silver. This is silver product right here. All season, alive, wearing people out. You got a one-way ticket. What?

They were there by at least 15, 20. Man. Y'all liked that over there. It was Arkansas. Shout out, big teams. Back to big ten. Arkansas didn't have no players on your office. Before Cal took the job. But let's keep this thing

moving. Appreciate you. Thank you to Rose Parks. As always, Lakers fans might need some row sparks right about now because the current situation with the team has got them limper than a biscuit. The Lakers were 15 and 2 in March behind a historic scoring spree from Luca Donchick and so much-needed chemistry and cohesion from LeBron and Austin Reeves with the trio finally appearing to embrace their roles in the team's big three. The third seat was within their grasp.

Lakers fans were out here smoking the Nuggets, Rockets, and Wool's packs, not the most potent packs in the West, still fire nonetheless. But April came with a belt-to-ass whooping by the Thunder Thursday night where this happened. So, midway through the third quarter with the Lakers down 32 points. You heard that right. 32 whole points. Luca tried to drive on Jaylon Williams, pull it up lane. Eventually going to the ground in pain, Luca diagnosed with a grade two hamstring strain,

ruled out for the remainder of the regular season. Take a look again. Didn't look like much. Luca had been grabbing at the hamstring throughout the first half. Some of the media claimed he was just trying to duck smoke with FGA and the Thunder. They proved to be mistaken, incorrect with their analysis and assessment. He's going to be mad to the ball. Wait, hold up.

You're going to turn the ball over full. There's a strain and not a terry strain. Yeah, I think grade two hamstring. So news only got worse with the Lakers announcing Austin Reeves has a grade two oblique strain. We'll be sidelined for at least the next few weeks. So according to Shams, Lucas. travel to Spain to receive injection procedures in his hamstring

with the hopes that the treatment speeds up his recovery. You previously said Lakers in 2026, then you said you weren't watching Lakers, then you started to watch Lakers again. What's your reaction to the Lakers losing Luca and Austin Reeds for the rest of the regular season? I mean, you know, them not playing

these next couple games. We still gonna sit in about, what, four or five? So we still. Worst the leg to finish is fifth in the west. So we know where we're going to be. We still have hope, kill. Now, being healthy? You know, hamstring, the way Luca plays, man, that can get triggered.

So hopefully when he's in Spain, they give him that stuff that we don't allow here. That gets out of your system quickly before you land back in the way. You know, Austin Reeves, oblique, right? So is it on the right side, left side? I mean, that's the shooting side. Hopefully it's not, but, you know, that's the injury you got to worry about. Listen, we're not fully cooked, but the barbecue grill is on. The chef got his shit on.

The meat is all laid out, right? They put the coals in. They put the gas on, right? You know, he's just asking for the matches. A left oblique. They're left? Okay. They ask him for the mattress.

Right? They don't put the meat out. Hey, aye, aye, can you give me the matches? You know, that's all we're waiting for. for right now. I'm going to turn that muscle on. I mean, turn that shit on. This is, you're going into the, going into the playoffs.

Everybody's getting healthy and we, we in Spain right now. Come on, man. Our best players in Spain. We're going to see his family. Flames blue. You're ready for next year. You know, them blue flames are hottest. You got Austin Reeves, right?

He ain't in the rush to get back. Listen, no, listen. That was just a ass to get back. He ain't in the rush to get back. I can tell you that for damn shit. It was just an ass-lipping. I was the reason. I was like, you know what?

Listen, just get ready to finish here, man. I feel a lot better with a $40,000. I ain't going to come back. I feel a lot better with this 240. Yeah, I ain't going to come back to have a horrible playoff. I didn't. Y'all just mott my money down.

Shat him. I come back game four. When we're down, 3-0. Thought he was supposed to come back and play and be tough and be competitive. They got to go overseas and get that. Who? Got to get that still.

Both of them. That Kobe treatment. We've got. No? You're not holding the same? You can play. We're not holding the same metric? Nope, because the nigga ain't scored stab me on me.

Nope. It's not. Y'all down 30 in the second quarter. They should have been out the game in the first quarter. Y'all down 30 in the second quarter. They should have been out the game already. I agree with that. Before the injury, he was down 30.

They should have been out the game already. Looked like they were poised to come back? You crazy as hell. Number two, I'm playing against number two. I'm number one. They're number two. I'm number one. He's number two.

What part of scoring? Yeah. He's number one. He's number one. I got like eight. I was looking. He's number one. If I got eight at the time.

Did you see how it looked? No what I'm saying? If I got eight at the time or something like that, and he's about to leave and he's going to have like four. The Lakers cook, though. It's unfortunate that the injuries happened when they did. Y'all was going to lose first round either way of gold. That's not a real list of the

Rockets? I don't know about them. They play Visa Rockets. So let me tell you why. If they did Minnesota. Hey, so y'all got to play. So this is, right?

The fact that y'all only outscoring people one and a half points a night is alarming to me, right? Y'all got to win the record, but y'all are only outscoring folks about one and a half points per night. Dad, yeah, I'm not rolling with that.

But it's Rockets. Right? I don't think y'all be. The Rockets play slow, too. They don't beat this. They don't play slow and they ain't got no shooters like that. They ain't got a better chance. But guess what the thing is,

let me give you another one then. You don't want to play OKCasek around. Hey. No, you don't want to see Minnesota. Hey, Gia, hey, you know, that's why we got to shoot them out. New Age Caucasian. You ain't your new age.

Because your first two don't go out. Your first three don't go out. Your first, well, you play forward. You got six. You got six up on the road. roster? Huh? Right?

Luke. Hey, you got six. Hold on. Yeah, they got Houston. I want to know what team has been successful with that many on one roster. Utah. The Celtics back in the day? Win.

What jazz team? With Darren Williams. Give me six white boys they had on their team. They had Carol Lincoln goal. They had Matt Harper. They had O'Court. They had. They were really good.

Them three was really good. They started with those three. They were at. We got Luke Canaan. Okay, and that's why y'all ain't gonna beat nobody. Because Luka don't play no defense. Boston Celtics. Austin Reeves don't play,

Dallas, man. In the 80s. They don't know. I had this conversation. Oh, no, no, no. I was just tripping. I had this conversation somebody. No, no.

Larry Bird a nigger. Yeah. Negro Tennyson. He, yes. McHell? Danny Ains and sewer rat. He got her biting people and shit under the... Yes, but he don't count.

High-grade Caucasian, though. Bill Walton, a hippie. Listen, Bill Walton was a hippie. Kevin McKell probably would have been your closest. Then. And he out there swinging on the Tennessee. Kevin McKell wasn't no punk. But the point I'm making is

Luca don't play no D if he is healthy. That's a problem. Healthy or not, that's an issue on that side of the ball. But him scoring 35 would help. But if he's limited, good luck. Austin Reeves, your number two. You're going to need him to score 24, 25, 26 to beat anybody. Luke Kinnard, damn, can't guard this goddamn

coffee cup. Yeah, I like him, though. He can shoot that bitch, though. And then you're playing Jake. From Allstate. And then you got... Jake Negro Tennessee. Then you got dogs and over there. No, no, no. We didn't play him back.

The big gift, the big gift, Jim came in here for Gunzoggan. I like him, though. But it's still... Jake LaRoy has Negro tendencies. You ain't going to beat nobody. Embray. I mean, this is only like when you look at it

only because they can't shoot the ball, so we sit in the zone and force them. We could. But we could. I mean, it's a good. But we could. I mean, if our, if our guys If our guys are hurt right now, if our guys are hurt right now,

we're limping into the playoffs, it's not a good. Brown, Philly got to be out there at 41. I'm going to be out there. He can do more, but he's just going to what debt. He's going to cost. To what detriment to everything else? I just, I mean, do you care about home advantage? That's the only question you're going to have right now.

Do you care about home advantage? If not, get as much rest as you can. I travel well. Play these, play these, the rest of these guys. let Luke Cernard and all them go out there and let me see what you got to get ready for the But you still if you're the Lakers you still got to try to get the three seed I mean You can't bet your Minnesota you got two games left

I mean without fan base on the road is crazy I'm gonna make your best bet Who has a jiggy knee? Y'all hope he's limited No no no no we saw what they did this last year Yeah, we don't want to play it We see but they got runners knee same thing Steph had the cause of Miss 27 games? Runners knee?

What is runners? Yeah, what is that? Apparently you run a lot. It's the same as jumpers knee? Just fucking made it up. Is it the same as 10-9- It's a 10-9-? Jumping didn't want to run it.

What the fuck is that? Runners knee? I know jumpers knee is a tendonitis. I don't really got a run. I heard chin splits from running. I heard the chin's miss from running. I heard you like shit like that from running. I've never heard those runners.

Runner's knee. I've never. And somebody who didn't dealt with this, hey, I had these motherfuckers put back together, multiple times. So. So, Lakers last four games.

They got the Thunder tonight, a winnable game. Huh? Wait, who? Thunder. The Lakers? Coming off a high. UCLA won. Yeah, I feel it.

Coming off a high. As you should. You'll see. As you should. They're going to get caught slipping tonight. They just beat you all by King's Ransom. Exactly. It's called a rope-a-dote.

Oh, I dig it. Then they have the Golden State Warriors. The roping goon. Come back in Utah. And they got the Phoenix Suns and end the season with the Utah Jazz. So still a possibility. Go on for. Yeah.

The possibility go one and four. Hold on, let me pull the Nuggets. We're going to be Utah. You might be able to get Utah. Yeah, we're going to get Utah for sure. Nuggets got Memphis, OKC, San Antonio to end this season. Who?

Memphis, OKC, San Antonio. That's what we got there. Nuggets last three games. Nuggets currently have a one-game lead over the Lakers for the third spot, but Lakers own the tiebreaker. I'm whipping the Nuggets ass this season. What they were doing, Joe? Burping joke.

Well, at least the Lakers are in it. Yeah, so worse, the Lakers can finish is fifth. Obviously, Rockets will probably either finish fourth or fifth, so you're looking first-round match-up. One game from the third. Now, that's coaching right there. This is going to be coaching. Whatever decision you made, you don't have to live with it, right?

If you try to go out there and get this third, right? Like, that means LeBron James is playing a lot. Right? And then if you don't have, and then if Luca and what's the name can't come back, swept. Why is playing tonight, though. Huh? They're not playing the night.

Who? The Blocke's match up with the Spurs. The Brons. He shouldn't play tonight. Who we playing? Okay. That's what I'm saying. He shouldn't play tonight.

Nah. Daltz and connect. Get on out there, boy. Just fucking around. Oh. I ain't about me by myself. He's about to go out of chips. A.R.

No, Luka. I'm by myself. At 40. With Kowat over there and. He ain't enough. Never. What? I believe in Kau.

But he ain't enough. Never. They don't get one game? No. Who? If the clippers meet up with the spurs first round. Sweep. And Wimby over here with that bruise.

And Wimby over here with that bruise. We got a bet. With a bruise rib, he average 40 against Clippers. I think Clippers could get at least two off the spur. Who? Wimby with the bruise? I bet it goes to. I ain't rolling.

It's going to set up. I'm going to San Antonio. I ain't rode. If I'm teams, I'm going to test some Wemby. I ain't row. They ain't got nobody. Browellell. Brubbett.

I mean, Wimby is there, but you, you're going to be. Man, they got some high-level guards, dog. They got some high-level guards that attack. Like, I don't know if anybody pays. It's like they got three. I just say so did the clippers. They got like three Derek roses. There's Garland.

Come to the bass. Descartland is a high. No, I mean, what I'm saying, like, jumping ability? Like, worrying about Wimby is one thing, but you got three, three guards that are sitting with a damn-near 40-something inch vertical. That's crazy. And then all, damn there are two of them, six. Six.

Kaua can't guard Castle, he can't guard and Fox and every possession. You can't guard whimy. You can't guard

you're going to fuck around and try to put him on him that's what they're going to do. That's what they're going to have to try to do. That's what you got to do. And it ain't going to work.

That's all he got to do. That's not going to work. She. Beat him up. Castle for whatever. Then you do that. Then the Castle getting off and Fox is getting off.

And they're going to get off regardless. I've seen that game in Denver. They didn't know what to do. They was trying to pass it, force feed it to win v. Foxton was Yeah, open lanes

didn't even want to drive It was just that game But that's what I'm saying though They're just The other guy that are busting his ass Of course they listen That's what a good guard Supposed to do

Get your get back Hey I see he going at you Hey big fella Hey get your head you go Hey women here you go Hey run this pig Hey pop nigga hey Lie out

Like Yeah that's what good guard Supposed to do Defer When you got a Yeah That's very That's been their issue, not deferring to Wimby.

Deferred to him. Listen. Deferred to him. Turn five. Show ass on the block, big fella. They got Aaron Gordon guard you. Turn and shoot over him. Can't.

Not yet. No, because he ain't gonna pose up on that lot, too. You got two guards that do the same damn. Didn't Casso did have a triple double against the season? One came out of the bench. You could score 17, 18? Yeah. You get it.

That's the regular season. That's the regular season. Like, the play. He's going to get somebody hell, bro. The way he play, they're going to... Him and Fox are going to destroy the clippers, bro. If that's the match. They got to get in first. That ends up being what it is.

But let's shift back to these Lakers real quick. So we talked about Luca, Austin and Reeves playing in that second half. Lakers down 30 plus, 40 at times. So after the Thunder game, J.J. Redick was asked about playing both Luca and Reeves in the second half of the blowout, despite both of them looking banged up early in the game, had this response. checked him out. He got work done. He was cleared. I mean, again, we're not going to put a player at risk. Those things happen. Like you said, I mean, Austin was grabbing at it in the first half,

you know, grabbed at it the second time he was out there. Is there a thought that it's maybe not worth it to play him tonight considering you guys are too. Yeah, I mean, it was discussed at half time. I thought we'd give those guys about six minutes and then we were going to, you know, if we didn't cut into the lead, we were going to pull him. And obviously it was around that time that I don't remember the exact time, but that happened. So down 30 at half, right? Right? You go in and you cool down at halftime.

And the thought would come out here and see how they're going to. Hamstring ain't going to loose and get more loose. If you sit down at halftime, it ain't going to go. It's going to, don't think. I ain't ever strain oblique, but I'm assuming if he was grabbing at it early, it was bothering him. But...

You know, that statement kind of contradicts what the mass media wants to push about players. They had a discussion if they was going to keep them out there or bring them they as the team, not the players, because if the players are hurt, right? I'm too hurt. I'm not going to go out there.

We're down 30, right? You know how they say the players don't want to show up. If I'm down 30 and I'm hurt, I'm going to sit down. But a player is a competitor. We go out there and play. We want to play. The only thing that stops us from playing is if we get the head guy, the coach, tells us, hey, not tonight.

We know we're going to take something else out. Say it again, the head coach. coach say what? We're not going to play you tonight. Go ahead and sit down, you know, boom, boom, boom. So the problem earlier with the 65, you know, you were saying that the blame is being put on the players

when players already know my stats, my playing time equals the mood lot. More playing time, more stats, more money. That is the rule of thumb for us. So most players want to play 48 minutes. minutes. We don't want to get subbed out. We know it's part of the game where you got to sub us, but we don't really want to get subbed out. None of us, right? We have, we have bench

players on the bench who's complaining that they can't get off the bench. Like, so the end of that bench is like, oh, man, look, they can give me a couple minutes because it equals money, right? So the idea that you have somebody like Joel and B talking about, I don't know why they keep sending me down, right? You think Wimby always subs himself out at 29 minutes? You don't think he wants to play 40-something minutes because he knows if his minutes are played like everybody else, he would be clearly the MVP. There would be no discussion. But he's on a minute restriction.

He didn't put himself on minute restriction. Joel N. B. is getting sit down, right? Janus, they said, hey, we don't want you to play no more this season. So if all the, if everything's pointing at, the organization is sitting the players, Why is no one saying, hey, this is a conflict? See, you're using little injuries here and there, and you're trying to keep everybody under the 65 because it helps your pockets a lot.

But does it? How much money does the Lakers save because Luca doesn't activate that? Because he didn't make it last year. No, is he going to make it this year? Luke already signed us through your extension. No, for the next. That's this two years not making it.

He don't sign super, super, super. Supermax, right? So once LeBron is gone, how much money does the Lakers actually have now? A ton. Right? So there's benefits from the standpoint of the organization where you want to keep players under 65 because it benefits you financially. Right?

So you're going to do everything in your power yourself by sub and oh, man, hey, yeah, we're going to get a little break. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And you can't override the coaches and just sub yourself in. Watching the Laker game, I remember. distinctly, going back on defense, my hamstring hurt and my oblique hurt, but when I got the ball, it disappeared. I was able to make my moves. I was able to go to my shot. Now, granted,

they were playing good defense and I was missing, but when I was on offense, I didn't, we didn't see no, nothing. Nothing was wrong. But when on defense, ah, ah, they were grabbing their leg on defense, grabbing this on all, I mean, you on defense, and then when go down, you don't see dribbling with one hand holding, and you don't see that. You don't see this. I didn't see, you don't see none of that. That was on offense, though, sure.

I'm just saying, like, when you talk about getting blasted about 30 in the first half, and then you go in the second half time, and the coach says, I think, are you guys good? You guys, you would have to get the okay from the player, for the player to go back out there. if the coach is asking them at halftime. Are you good? Are you sure you good? No, no, no, no, we're good, we're good. Okay.

You sure? No, no, no, no, we're good. All right. Go ahead. So it just seems to me, it's just, you know, I'm not going to say it's a double standard or a full circle moment, nothing like that, but I'm just going to say, like,

it doesn't sound right. Doesn't sound right. I mean, everybody can go out there and play, and then you say you competitors, and then you say the coach wants to keep you out, and you're going to say, you know, it's staying healthy. I don't know what it is. I was just saying if they didn't want to play,

if they don't want to play, they would have just not came back at halftime. Right? Like Janus. You think Janice wants to not play? No, no, he wants to play. Yeah. He wants to play.

The one thing out of all of this when I first said it, remember when it first came out? And, you know, me, I think like a general manager, how do I save money, right? I mean, that's what I'm saying. If my best player or somebody who's contract year is here and there's 63 games and we got three games left, oh, you ain't playing. I'm finding all kinds of ways not to play you so you don't activate another $100 million.

Right, if I can get you for, if I can get you for 240 instead of $350,000, I'm going to do everything in my power to do that. I'm not for your old star player, though. If he gets hurt in the hands, if you got a grade two, grade one, you better always get a second opinion. because I'm going to tell you, my daughter is going to say it's a great goddamn three. Three, mother. You're going to be out ten weeks. The fuck?

It's $100 million. $200 million that's on the line. What are you willing to do? Jaron Jackson. Remember, I said this about Jaron Jackson. Remember I told you Jaron Jackson. $350, if he makes an all-d-defense team. How much would you pay a writer not to vote for him?

You save $110 million. dollars. How much would you pay me not to vote for them? 100 voters. How much would you pay me not to vote for your guy? You're going to pay that bread. But I'm talking about a guy like Luca, you would want to pay him as like your superstar player. You would want to. Yeah, yeah. But if I have the opportunity, if the opportunity presents himself where I got this, you know what I mean? We got to, no, he's three-fifty. We're giving him three-fitting. He's $3.50. We're going to pay him regardless of that.

He's $3.50 no matter what. Yeah, yeah, we're good. But one game left, and if he don't play 20 minutes, I get to pay him $250? Oh, shit. Oh, shit, he gets sued the fuck out. He's getting subbed out for that $100 million. I'm a business statement.

You know it's happening. But he just needs one more game, right? Luke needs one game. Yeah, so. When is that game? Counting, though. What? The OKC.

No. Yeah. He's at 64. He's at 64. So he has one more game? Because he played more. Here's the other side of it. Hold on.

So, Luca, game away from being awards eligible. In light of his injuries, Agent Bill Duffy said Luca would apply for an extraordinary circumstances challenge to the 65 game room. Because Luca missed two games back in December when he traveled to Slovenia for the birth of his daughter. That application can't be submitted until the final day of the regular season. You know what? I'm not even fucking around with that. What I'm going to do is, hey, Luca, after you get that shot, after you going to get that shot, we're going to come in. And all I'm going to do is this.

All right, this is what you average. We're going to add a zero to it. We're going to add a zero to it. You still lead and scoring? Yes? Cool. 21 minutes. You just sit out there.

Just jog up and down. We're going to make a mockery of it. Just jog up and down so you get your reward. That's the only thing as a coach I can do. That's the only thing I can do. I can't trust the process of you subbing in and doing all this. Because if they say no, there's nothing I can do. but we got one game left.

All you need to play is 20-something minutes. Just go out there. Just sit around. Make a mockery of it. Because you only got one game left. I can't do nothing with it. That's all I can do. Sit out there.

Hey, get it activated. You don't need to play. If you score zero, you still lead the league in scoring? Cool. You don't. You can have them cherry pick. Just shoot three. What I'm saying is you don't have to.

You don't have to. Just let them be in the game. What does that do for the game? game though. We're gonna watch him make a mockery of the game just for an award. Yeah. Like that's bad business all the way around. Like if you can't play, don't play, bro. Rest up for the playoffs that matters most. The playoffs matter more than your regular season awards, especially when you haven't won the championship if you've gotten close. And you've got a team that can kind of, you've worked to get from eight or six or seven to three, like you had a place

right now where if you were healthy like you are considered one of the teams that can make it back to the finals so why would you risk that and make my career at a game when you can go win a title and change the fact that you didn't get no regular season awards but you won an NBA championship because I think I think the way the contracts are right that that winning the NBA championship does not unlock super. But this scoring title, this first team all NBA does, right? And that supermax is 100 plus million. So if you're talking about right now I got one game to unlock this, there's nobody on

this earth that's not going to try that. There's a hundred million, not 10, there's a hundred million dollars. You don't got to go out there and play hard. Just go out there. Just get in the game. I'm saying neither though. You talk, gonna be taking to- We seen dirt in the whiskey.

You can be dirt in the whiskey last season. Shit. Utah will have a bunch of music. Oh yeah, that was- You can be out there against Utah just sitting there just up and down. I'm sure. He couldn't be in his knees. Geez.

Go to do that full season. Let me go and do that for a game, man. You deserve it. You deserve it. Yeah, I need my hundred million. Come on, man. 100 extra dog. Like, 100, you're like, come on going, man.

But you don't agree with that. But you got Austin Reeves down at least three to five weeks. I'm taking my. So he's not going to be, he's not going to be right for the playoffs. You said three to five? It's a grade two oblique strain, Gil. We've seen that. Good, though.

Hey, you better hit that. You better hit that tour at all. Boom. No, we're good with. LeBron out tonight against the Thunder, so they're scheduling along. We knew that. We knew that. We knew that.

Top tier defense. Top tier defense. Just me out here? Fuck is wrong with y'all at 41? Fuck is wrong with y'all. I'm not playing it, right? I'm going to deal with Walsk. You see what he was doing,

you saw what he was doing to my son. He's 19. You see what happened to the last? Yeah, you see what happened to last game? Try to bring the ball up the floor against the niggas. It didn't work out. Like, them niggas play hell of a defense. No.

Not been a sick Caruso and Dorden Wiggins and Joe. No, we're not going to do that. No, yeah, yeah. I see what you're like, what happened in Toronto? Holy moly. I struggle against them young boys trying to score 10 points. I'm good. He ain't getting 10.

But still? No. We will monitor the situation. Pray for the best. Luke in Spain right now, Luca. In Spain, that's crazy. No. I try to not to use certain AIs for shit.

Now, I looked up what Nicole is doing, dog. You said, what was it? I try not to look it up. I didn't hear what you said. I try not to look at it. I'm trying to do that. You said what it's doing? What you mean on AI?

I just don't try to look at any of it. Are you in chat GPT? I looked up somewhere. Are you on chat GPT? Yes, yeah. Why are you on? Because I want to look something up. You're on chat GBT?

Because I can do the math. Because I can do the math. You said you would never use chat. How many points do you? Procedent. No, no, percentage. I just looked up the percentage of triple doubles and double doubles. You said you never use chat GPT.

Over his career, 22% of the games, 22 to 24% of the games he's played in. He's had a, triple double throughout his career. 22 to 24% of the games he's played in this season, 52% of the games he's had a triple double.

So that percentage is actually a lot higher because his first couple years, his first year, you know, coming in, damn. Yeah, that's all. Yeah, that's all. I ain't you, I just want to know the percentage of it. I'm not using it. I'm not using it for an argument. I'm just bringing up the fact that I've been vouching for this man. You know, and this number

supported it. That's all. You know, now I, now I see why generations complain. Year after year, decade after decade, you have generations complaining, you got players complaining, right? And say you wasn't there. And we're here,

we were here with Kobe, so you can see how we have to lobby for him. We see what Yokic is and what he's doing. And 10 years from, now, all they're going to see is the stats.

They're not going to see he should have won five MVP, six MVP, stuff like that, right? You're not going to know how great someone really was once the legacy is moved. And all you have is arguments and the arguments are just looking at the stat sheet.

He's going to have the second most like just imagine if he does want to cover more one more whatever. Just how I mean the second place finishes you have. Like, even like crazy. Like when somebody says the best mall forward, right, and they have Larry Bird third. And then when you look at Larry Bird,

you got the three back-to-back MVP's, then you got another six MVP second or third place. And you're sitting there like, yeah. I'm like, and let you really go down and watch how great people are. If you're just looking at the stats, listen to people, argue.

Yeah, it don't. You're only, you know, you're only, you know, arguing for what you can see right now, not for what the past was. 50-cent percent of a game. Yeah, I just want to know the number what the percentage was because I was like, this MVP thing is like... His triple double is better than Steph's three. Now, that's sick when you think about it like that.

Would you say, yeah. Damn. Like, think of it like that. Best shoot in the world, like, steps three, that we know that damn near, we don't know what percentage issues, but it looked like it's 90 percent in a sense. Yeah. He has a better chance hitting a triple double than Steph has hitting the three. Crazy, though.

So, 197 triple doubles, 8008. No, not, not. I just can't let people diso. That's crazy, but he should, though. Should what? He should. What? He should what, Nick?

He's the best center in the lead. And ain't no other center in the league. No, this is going passing. He should. Nobody could guard him. Passing? Nobody could guard him. I wonder what Russell Westbrook's person is.

Yeah, that was a, yeah, that would have been a good one. Those years? I could have compared it, but I don't. I don't know. They asked me to compare it to him and the Oscar-R-Ox. I don't think I have to use A lot to know that Russell Westbrook is probably a lot higher. It's not. That's it's lower.

It would be lower. Hold on, I can give you one. Hold on the other sister. What was that? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Through six or three games this year, right? This is. quarter of triple-dove and fifth percent of the game.

That's over double his historic pace. Russ ain't even in the conversation, bro. Like, he ain't even in the conversation. So Yolkes, a triple-double and 24% of his career game, Westbrook triple-double and 16%. That's basically every other night is what they're saying. Every other night he's getting triple-dial. Well, for Russ's argument, these last four years, we'll mess up that.

Even then, I'm talking about take the last four years off. Fuck it. I don't even count them. Don't even got to count them. Do his four years. Yeah, yeah. Do his four years. During those four years, what was his percentage?

Yeah, it's down, but it had to be crazy. I mean, it's just greatness, man. Like Russell Westbrook, it's a good campaign. His greatness would be unseen to the rest of the world moving forward. It's a good campaign, man. But you're talking about 30-thirty-something, 11-11, you're not truly a natural score. You're averaging 30, 11 and 11? That's just fucking impressive, man.

I'm sorry. For comparison, most stars are well below 20%. And that's the even triple double legends like Russell Westbrook and Oscar Robinson all over. Yeah. So I'm just grateful the stats are not being used as the metric to do all of those things. You know, we actually watch the games and stuff like that. But it technically is. Not right now because Wendy's number one.

No, I mean it's that technically it is because Russell Westbrook doesn't get the flowers that his stats says. No, I'm saying if stats led and was the metric for everything, Jokish would be number one right now. But he's not. This is single high single scene. Who's number one? High as triple double ever. Wait, who's number one in MVP vote?

It puts him in the same type of category impact here as Russell West will join his MVP years. Who's the one? Number one in the VP voter? That's yeah, I believe. I know. I just wanted you to say that loud. I'm going to keep throwing my guy in there.

Oh, no, if he gets it, no, if he gets it, I'm not even. I'm going to keep throwing my guy in there, man. There's no, we can't even fight it. This shit is like you. If they say he get it, I'm going to keep throwing about the, like. But the fact that let's go, we can put it on paper right now, next year MVP race, Wimby going to leave that motherfucker all the way through, him and Yokic, 57% of the game.

52.4. That means, dog, every night is. Bro, every other night. That means, you know what time is dark. That means, no, no, no, that means. I'm everywhere. Think about this, that means almost a triple double, triple double, triple, almost a triple double, triple double, almost, that's what that is.

The games he didn't, that was almost, he missed about one. Like against Wimby, he missed two rebounds. So is it, is it impressive? Yes, yes, impressive. Yes, very. No, bro, who's he? You're a fucking hater. I've never seen a big man.

I've never seen it before. I've never seen it before. I've never seen it before. I've seen it before. You are from a six, three. Not from a five. I've never seen it from five. You have a six three point.

We've seen it. I've never seen it from a five. It wasn't impressive to everybody. It wasn't impressive to everybody. It wasn't impressive. It wasn't impressive. And he's a point, Gar. He's supposed to be doing that scene.

No, he did with rebounding. Well, listen, what he did with rebounding was impressive. What Nicola doing is passing the ball is fucking impressive. Yeah. So they're from a five. We've seen it before. Russell Westbrook. We've seen it.

I've never seen it from a five. I've got to name a five. We've seen a player do it. Never seen a basketball player. Do this. Four years in a row. Yeah, four years in a row. Four years in a row.

We've seen women before two, niggins. Watch out. Watch out. Watch out, man. Campaigned for you, we don't give a fuck about that. Stay at number four, did it. Stay at number four. We at number one.

Watch out. But that's the problem. 3.4. Three and repis. Watch out. No, 52.4. No, you can't. Watch out.

You can't watch out. Sound good. Because if you want, if you tell, if you're a fucking hater. Why doubt. No, if you, heyter. No, but. I agree with him. No, but because if you do that.

No, a hater too then, nigga. No what is. I got. No, no. You can't get tired of one person. That's what you're, but that's what you're doing. That's what we say. I'm the most die of your body.

You don't know what you're talking about. They. What they're doing? I'm always. Somebody else. What there? No. Right.

Come on, man. Nobody said that. Nobody said that. What you're- What you're doing? What you're doing is the reason. I used to be on Fox. I'll argue with Colin Coward, nigger, daily about Russ.

I don't fit that. What you guys... Nobody said it wasn't impressive. No, what it was... We've seen it before. And that's the problem. I'm a big man. You see it.

You see it. You don't need to see it from a big man. That's something different. That's something different. We've seen it before. We keep doing it. Oh, it's so impressive. It's not.

It's not. We've seen a six, three. 6-3, make it look easy. 6-3. I thought making it look better. Even easy. We don't even care about the game of basketball averaging the triple double. Get the fuck out of here.

Man, this guy go home and this guy go home to play with his fucking horses. 30-point triple doubles as a 6-3 guard. That don't even excuse me. He doesn't even care about the game. 20-20 and 20. 20 and 20. Rest in peace, Neil. Still impressive.

Rest in peace. 20-20 and 20 and 20. 20. 60 point triple. They looked over here like, oh, man, what's out? It ain't impressive. That's exactly why Russell Westbrook's stat goes unnoticed because you're too busy wiping everybody else shit out. They're both impressive. Every triple double.

Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Every triple double is impressive. That's why it took so long for Russell to do for anybody to do it. That was impressive. So yes, it was impressive. It was impressive every year he did it because. the idea of

Hold on. As the idea of LeBron doing it, everyone's like, oh, LeBron could do it. He didn't do it. Russell did it.

That's how great it was. But if you guys are going to say, oh, that's, and that's, we did it before. Then you take away everyone. Oh, you got to do the same thing.

Give him the same thing. Again, you're going to do the same thing. Exactly. Do the same thing. It was in the MVP race. Yes. In him the MVP race. He was number two after every year.

Every year. Was he number number? No, he was not. Come on. No, he was not. Thank you. That's what I'm saying. Thank you.

No, he was not. That's on them. What I got to do with? That's on the people that's voting. So every time, the average of triple double, you gotta put him in the MVP. You got a campaign for him?

Why not? We've seen this before. Why not? He was four. He was four, 10th and 11th. He was four, he was four, four, one, five, and ten. So the first...

One of them we played in Washington, right? Yeah, the first year average of triple double. He played in fucking Washington. He wasn't going to go. You got the MVP. Huh? Next season. Where does it matter?

He's still triple doubles. I thought it was impressive. It's supposed to be impressive. The people that's voting. Don't matter where he's going. The people that's voting. We ain't talking about the people that's voting. We're talking about us right here.

We're talking about us right here. We're saying we've seen it before. Why are you aren't? We've seen this. Who cares if we've seen it before? We've seen people haven't seen it before. We're still impressed. Not a 30 point triple double.

Like who cares? I still impressed. I'm still impressed. I'm still impressed. I'm still impressed. I'm still impressed. I'm not going to say your 30 is better than his 30. 30 30.

We're saying we've seen it before. We've seen it. It's not impressive. It's impressive. Oh, it's not. What Winby is doing is impressive. What Lucas doing is impressive. This shit is impressive.

This shit is impressive. When you start diet-suting people's stats and say, oh, that's irrelevant, that sucks. That means the rest of the game is fucked. Man. Because I can tell you right now, if what Joe, if what Yon is just, What if what if Yoke, what Yoke is just doing, if that's, we've seen it before, whoever, whoever attempts to have another triple double, what do you think they're going to do to this next person? Get the fuck out.

Ah, get the fuck. I get the fuck. We didn't see it before. I don't know. It's easy work. Do something more. Yeah. Do something more impressive.

Yeah. Do something more. Than the best season ever? More. Than the best basketball season ever? More. What's the best thing? More.

What's the best thing? What's the best basketball? Double double in a question. What's better than the best basketball? What's better. best ever? The most efficient triple double he gets the best ever. What's better than the best ever? He's the best ever. He's the best ever. He's the best ever

season that could possibly be. What's better than the best greatest? He's the great. No. By this it is, by the numbers it is. By the numbers it is. By the numbers, he's the best basketball player ever. What number he's in the fourth place?

Yeah. Not in the top three of every third. That doesn't say what you're doing it. Third place. What they did to... He won MVP. Kobe? It's the LeBron James.

Like, you can't just, like, you have to defend something or they're just gonna keep pushing every step behind. And I am. Goddammit. We ain't going to do it. Like when you sit here and all you by, Lauren, it's easy. I ain't never seen nobody. They're going to do this.

It's the same thing. Oh, we didn't have seen this. Michael Jordan did this. Michael Jordan had six. That's what they're allowed to do. Yeah. Joker's better than Michael Jordan. Says who?

Yeah. The best basketball is never. Having the best basketball season, doesn't mean you're a better basketball player. Bam, having 83 don't make him better than Kobe Bryant, dog. He had a great game. It's amazing. It was the great night.

Oh, say it again. Say it again. What you just said? Just because he didn't score what? He's not better than Kobe, right? I said, having a great night doesn't make that night better than someone's career. So you having 83 and beating 82 doesn't make you better than this person. Right.

It doesn't make you better. Yeah. A night. So Joker doing what he's doing. doing now for his well he's doing this season what does the season have to do with a game we've seen it before so it doesn't mean like

it's better it's not the best it's the best we've seen it we've seen it most efficient triple double we've seen it it's the most efficient so fucking what so we haven't seen that last year was the best season that last year was the best season we've seen he topped that he talked about he did the best

season we said he topped it wait He was top four Listen, he was top two in four major categories last year, Nick Stats. Scoring, rebounded, assists, and steals last year and he topped that shit And he didn't win in the number one, right? No.

No. The best season ever, right? No, he didn't. How many y'all got? He didn't. So, he didn't. How many of your guy got? He didn't.

I'm a lobby for my guy. Like, my job for your guy. He got three. So you lobbied for your guy. You said more, right? Yeah. What did, when we do? He was number two last year and four?

What is he? He's number one? Yeah, defensive player. So those same years, he's number one in four categories. Yeah. Okay, so when we last year is 0.5 in scoring, down in blocks, down in steals, down and assist, point five in rebounds. And he's, now say that, now say the same thing you were just saying. He's number one.

He needs to do more. He needs more. He needs more. He needs more. He's number one. More, more. He has 24 last year. He's number one.

We need more. He's number one. Number one. Oh, he's not. He's number one. Number one. He's number one. He's number one.

I've just said, it's just more. Just a little bit more. Just a little bit more. We need more for me, right? We need more for me, right? Where would you put Joker as a top five best center ever? Since he, this. That might not be a conversation we want to have, Swaggy, because it's something to be some hurt

fit. Where would you put him? Is he top five? Top five? Just going off of, we didn't watch the rest of these centers. Right? Are we talking about production in the NBA? TV.

Oh, great. I see top five. Wait, no, no, no. Because there's two different things. Me having a better NBA career than you and you being a better player. That's a two different conversation. That is two different conversations. Nick, that's called smoothest motherfucker from over here.

No, no, no. Over here. Yeah, let's move it over there. Over there. I make a simple point. Yeah. I'll make simple for you. Yes.

I think he's the top five. Top five center all the time, absolutely. I'll make it real simple for you. Like, I think so. I'm sorry. I'll make real motherfucking simple. Kareem got with five, six, six, uh, MVP's? Because I didn't see motherfucking will play.

Six. Six. Six. So you got on in front of Wilk. I didn't see Wilkes. No, he said, didn't have it. He can be fifth. He can be fifth.

, he can be fifth. He can be fifth. Like, he's top five. Oh, he's better than like Kareem, Shaq and all them. Nicole is five. You got so, all right. So, all right. So, see, you're saying better.

And that's what I said. So give me your fun. So, you know, y'all said he's get the best to wear it. Better? Better. God damn. So I'm asking. Five.

Fuck. He's five. So where's, so. So he ain't done yet. Everybody else is done. He ain't done yet. What's your top line? Hold on.

Brent. Everybody else is done playing. He's at five and he's not finished. So he's going to be number one. We don't know. See? So, hey, he's at five. You know what he's trying to do.

Like, we know, we know the difference between tween Shaq. No, no, you know. No, you know. We know if we had the number one piece, he's in front of the head. He's in front of the show. No, what I'm saying. Who? We're not including.

Kareem. Kareem is not included. Yes, he is. Bill Russell's not included. He's five. And Will Chamberl is not included. You know why? Because he's never seen them play.

He's never seen those three guys play. When Nicole being at five at me never seeing Will play, we can go Kareem, Shack. You seen Kareem play? Hakeem. I said, listen is the words that I just said. you said I ain't never seen them playing I give you a list of top five centers Wilk, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, and

Nicola. What? Huh? Exactly. Nigger. Didn't see him play. That's correct. But I can put them in the top five and still had Nicola in it. And that's what I said. And give me your list.

And that's why I said this. So Nicole is better than Joel and me? Yes. And having a better, having a better NBA career. Yes. Nicola is better than you will and be. Having a better NBA career meaning you is healthy enough to have a longevity career versus somebody who could have been better and had a short career. Right?

So when Shaq makes the argument of better than Nicola, his stats, three MVP's is going to outweigh one. But these championships is going to outweigh his one. Then from there it's just an argument. But if we had to pick one, we know we're going to. We know what we're going with. We're going to go, we're going to go, Shaquille. You're having a conversation with Rashad. That's why.

So why? Why does that? It depends on who you're having a conversation with it. No, no. We're having the conversation right now. You might want to. Fuck whoever, we're talking about right now. We're having the conversation.

Why is championships a part of the conversation? But listen, better career and a better player is two different conversations, man. Okay. So why y'all mixing the conversation? Because you just said championships and then MVP. and if he gets dizzy, he gets that. We went about players. We said players.

I just listened to everything out with this fan. I said, I didn't mention not one championship or anything. No MVP. I didn't mention any. You just mentioned stats. I said players. I didn't make you know of players. I didn't say nothing about no fucking numbers.

Okay. So what are we talking about? So what are we talking about? Top five sisters. He said, what's your top five centers? I gave him top five centers. No championship, block, steals.

Okay. So why is, why is Joker in the top? five because I put him there he asked him to my list. Right, that's his list, right? I'm asking why is he there? Because he asks what Kenyon Martin's list is and my top five center list

is that. So you give your Michelle McCann's list and that's going to be your fucking list, but I'm going to tell you why I got my guy. I'm going to tell you why I have Zach here and not have Nicola here. I want to tell you why. Just give us a

right. Right. Right. How many do you have a list? You don't have to answer. No, you don't have to ask. Right. We don't have the answer. We don't have the answer. There is an answer. There is an answer.

But you don't have the answer. He don't have the answer. No, no. I do have the answer. Let's go. He's a better play. He's a better player. Give us your list.

All the way around. Go on. All the way. Give us your list. All the way. I don't have a list. I don't. I don't.

Hold on. He can never answer the fucking question. I don't. No. No. This nigg is just said Shack is a all around better players than who. Nicola. Okay.

He plays defense. Man, let me get the fuck I. He plays defense. All the round. He plays both sides of the ball. Now, you know, that's shot 40% from the feet of the ball. What? Yes.

He plays both sides of the ball. We all have three throws apart of it. Defense is half of the game. You know what is two free throws? Hey, one out of the side, please. One side of the game. Well, listen, listen. You know, you know, one side.

One side. You know why his argument don't make sense? Please tell. None of my arguments ever makes sense. You had, you had Nicola what? Fifth. You had Shaq in front of him, right? Yes.

Who is he arguing with? I know, himself. Okay, so just over the go. He has Shaq in front of him. We all said we will pick Shaq. We all did that. He's arguing with himself. I asked him for his team.

I know he don't have five because all he wants to do is he just wants to argue. He just wants to argue against our point. He doesn't have a five. So we don't know his five. He just wants to argue your list. He wants to argue everyone's list because he don't have a list. You don't want to argue my list. So I'm asking the question.

You don't want to answer. I asked the question you didn't want to answer. And then you went and then you tried to reflect that it was, What about your five? I didn't, I'm asking you the question. If you don't want to answer this stuff, I want to ask. But we have Shaq in front of you.

So what we are in. What are you asking? That's the question for. I had to go at fifth. I had him at five. The bottom of the list that we was putting together, I had them in the last slot. Right.

So whoever you got at five, why is he at five? Why is he at five? Because he's not done playing yet. Why is he not at one? Because his career is not over yet. There is. Simple answer.

Because his career is not over yet. It's Kareem. Will. And he got Yulchhik's 5. And you know why I got him at 5? Because he's still playing. Because he's still playing. That's it.

So there you go. You answer. No more question. No, no, no. I have a serious question. No, no. He's going to pass them. This is a serious question.

I need to answer. We don't know. He can't pass him? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who?

Joker them people you name Maybe we don't know We don't know We don't know But he's Five by down You know

You know You know It's like You know We can't We can't We don't We don't know

What's I ask him Mick you ask That's what They said If they're If he get If he get another MVP

Are If he gets If he gets down If you got three MVP If you got three MVP And four If you got three MVP's

You wouldn't put him in front of nobody else You'd You keep them If you got four championships Yes you got

Four more If you got one more I'm just It came down to it and you had the chance of draft Shaq or him. Shack. If we're four more championship, all right then. Thank you.

So why doesn't matter? Why the fuck doesn't matter? Why doesn't matter? Why doesn't matter? If you still gonna pick Shaq? You still gonna pick Shaq? You still gonna pick Shaq? It don't matter.

It don't matter. It don't matter. It's not gonna win his career. Wow. There's five. But there's five. Guess what? There's five spots.

That was it. We can still pick Shaq and the code could be number two. What the fuck you all talk about? It don't matter. You pick it Shaq number one though. So what's the argument? So it don't matter what in the cause of you up until the point that his career is still pick his step. He still pick his cap.

He still going to be top five. The problem is and this is why I was this question. What the. So we have Lecola. I don't want to know. Right? He's in front of him. I also want to know something.

The argument is not where you have him now. Yes. He wants to argue if you decide to trade, change it. Yes. He can argue against it. Yes. There's no argument. He said he's going to change it because his career.

is not finished. Who said I would? I said I could. He could. No, no, you said he's fit. You said you got him at first because he has his, he's not done playing. Which means that what?

You're going to finish his career. He's going to go up in the ladder. Why? Because his career is still going. Why? If he don't have to win, no more MVP's or no more anything, he can stay where the fuck he is. What the fuck are you talking about?

If Shaquille O'Neal, if Shaquille O'Neal at the age of 33, right? If he didn't have this big decline because of injury in his weight, what do you think he would have kept doing? Yeah, we don't do that with that? No, what I'm saying is because we... Say it again?

Hold on, let me finish. Why don't you just say this is Gil's Arena? Whoop-whoop? Why don't you just do that already? Pay-day. He's just thinking himself a hole over here. Who-woo. Who-woo.

Nobody is. After I finish the point, like he's saying, what he's saying is, We don't know what the rest of the career is going to be. Right now he's five, we're going to see where his career in. It could end up like Shaq, where he gets injured in the rest of his career is meaningless, and he stays five. He could have four more championship. He could do that in B4 or three.

Or he can do all that, and guess what? I can still keep him at five because you know why? Because it was my motherfucking link. And on that note. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad to see Bill Russell. I'm glad to see that Bill Russell.

mean shit to know. No, he don't. He can't play no more games. He can't play no more games. None of the other guys can play. This can't do. This goes to you too, too, especially to you. No, how, hey, hold on.

When I'm not here, when I'm not here, you two don't argue. You should be here more. Don't say you're not here. Hell no. Y'all don't, y'all don't not argue when I'm not here. Can you bring that person when I'm here? Nope. I want to have a nice, chill conversation.

You can argue with me at all. You argue with Keynes? No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't show up tomorrow. Don't put me in this shit. I was on your side earlier. No, no, no, no.

I'm saying, no, no. I'm saying, No, I'm saying, two-way players, a 30, no, if he had to agree with that. Yeah, he doesn't do it. I had to agree with that.

You had to do it. You had to do you. I'm your motherfucker's on me. If he doesn't, because if he doesn't show up tomorrow, there won't be no arguing on this couch. Hold the same energy. All I'm saying is I like Thursday.

I like last Thursday. I like last Wednesday. He don't like the pressure, Nick. I want to be here in chills. I don't like this type of pressure. I don't like this. Tell this nigga to take another week off so we can go ahead and we can not our U and C. I think I'm busy tomorrow.

Listen, man. I think I'm busy. We are up here debating. And when you lose, take your fucking L. That's again. Take your fucking L. I do. Again.

I always do. I always do. Why you don't. Why you don't debate when I'm not. I always do. There's nobody to debate. Why don't they go out skip like that? Why don't they go to skip like that?

Listen to this. Nobody to debate with. Everybody's in a fucking plot. You know what the plot is? There's a gravestone and a plot. Nobody wants to debate and get into that plot but you. You're the only one like to get up out the grave and get your ass back in that bitch. I don't mind.

I don't mind. Nick love to be on the side because he's like, man, we're going to put niggas in this. We're gonna put niggas in this graveyard over here, man. So when you're not here, we're chilling. We ain't got to argue. Oh, there you go, Nick, got your partner. We ain't got to argue. Hey, Nick, when he gets into some shit, protect him.

We ain't got to. Protect him. We ain't got to. Protect him. They need some protection. Please. Because you know, because you know what we don't need no protection, nigga. He ain't going to say nothing.

The undertaker don't need no protection, he ain't say nothing. They don't need no protection. They don't need no protection. This is directly to the chat. A chat. Chat, if I hear you motherfuckers in that chat, say, we only argue when I'm here, he just explained it. Just say tombstones.

When I come here, he purposely want to argue. Tombstones. He don't want to argue with them. He want to purpose. When I'm not here, he don't want to argue with them. If I don't show tomorrow, it's going to be motherfucking sunshine. You don't know, but no, but no, but no, as I, soon as I get here, hey, Gil, where you got, uh, where you got, uh, Where you got Wimby?

I got to look at him, uh... You ain't got to look at him. I got him. I got him one. Just so I'd argue, one. He'll, he gonna ask the question, why you got him one, explain. Oh, here we go, goddamn.

I got him one, god damn, and now you go. Why you got him one? Why you ain't got them two? Why you're like, come on, God damn. Why we purposely argue when I come? Yes. Yeah, yeah.

And on that, no. Well, I gotta be shit. I got other shit going on in my life and I gotta come here to argue with McKinz. Just say pass. Just say, I don't got no answer. He does. And then you go and then whatever he said, you're going to argue

him. I'm done. I'm done. It on that note. Shout out to everybody in the chat. Shout out to everybody on this count. We'll be back here arguing again tomorrow. This has been another episode of Gilz Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, go.