Gil's Arena - Zion Williamson Is FINALLY Proving His Haters Wrong

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Zion Williamson Is FINALLY Proving His Haters Wrong according to Gilbert Arenas as Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Zion Williamson finally putting together a healthy season and discuss how he's responding to people like Stephen A Smith continuing to criticize his game by calling him a food addict. They then react to Victor Wembanyama & The Spurs continuing to surge at the right time as the 2nd seed in the Western Conference blew out the Philadelphia 76ers to cap off their historic February and prove their a force heading into the NBA Playoffs before discussing Joel Embid breaking down before our very eyes as the former NBA MVP continues to miss games, casting doubt on his availiabilty for the NBA Playoffs. Finally, they give their savage takes on the Atlanta Hawks' magic city night and give Kevin Durant his flowers for joining the NBA's 40,000 point club. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Nick Young, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $75 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) Show Start 0:00:00 Wemby & Spurs BLOW OUT 76ers 0:02:46 Embiid Struggling With Injuries Again 0:37:33 Kevin Durant Hits Another Career Milestone 0:49:04 Zion Clapping Back At His Haters 1:07:42 Austin Reaves' Numbers Are Dropping 1:29:51 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Spurs are won 12 with their last 13 games, including historic undefeated February. Do they have enough to make their first conference final since 2014? Joelle Embed is missed seven of the last nine games with knee and oblique injuries. Can Philly trust their franchise player in the playoffs? And Zion Williamson on pace to play 60 games for just the third time in his career.

Should the former number one pick be in the Pelicans' long-term plans? He's getting his contract for next season, guaranteed to some of you guys may know. And may remember, he's got a non-guarantee contract. He's got weight and game clauses you need to hit. Also, Brown had a message for him about Stephen A. Smith that we will discuss as well. But before we get into all that, this show is brought to you by underdog. Underdogs available in most states, including Texas, California, and Florida. New customers get $75 in bonus entries when they play just $5.

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So after going 11 and 0 in February and becoming the first team in league history, to have an undefeated month while scoring 110 plus points. In each game, Spurs bounced back from a loss to the Knicks and Madison Square Garden on Sunday with a wire-to-wire 40-point blowout win leading by as much as 49 points. God, damn. The final game of their annual rodeo road trip, Spurs had eight-player scoring double figures with Devin Vassell

and Dylan Harper leading the way with 22 points each, to find Castle adding 15 and 10 dimes. Wimby, on the other hand, only took five shots in the 24 minutes of action. had 10 points, eight boards, four assists, six blocks, and three steals still managed to stuff the stat sheet. Spurs are now 12 and 1 in their last 13 games, finished that nine-game road trip with a record of 8-1.

So after the game, Wembe was asked about his slow offensive night and what his role is when his team is rolling in a game like this. For sure, my role is to keep making sure they keep having this happen advantages, so it's keep rolling, keep hitting on the screens, until the opponents decided to be something, which they did it. So please let them enjoy. Let them enjoy.

So Simmy Taylor, we'll start with you first. Obviously, big Wimby fan. You respect Wemby for making sure his teammates were able to eat in this blowout win over the Sixers. Full circle, man. It all comes back to the ultimate prediction of knowing that this is a team that emphasizes team.

And when you think about teams that go into the season emphasizing that, you've got a player, which is your number one pick, reminiscing of Tim Duncan just wants to do everything that he can to help the team win. I think that Wemby realizes

and recognizes that his teammates have his trust and that they can go out there and be themselves at the maximum potential. And they have five guys that can go out there and play. They even have six. you count how Harrison Barnes out there, he can light it up. And they look very comfortable right now,

knowing that their star player can explode at any point. Their second star player, Castle can explode at any point. Their third star player, Darren Foss can explode at any point. Their sleeper, Harper, can explode at any point. So these are guys that are comfortable with each other. And Wemby, being the actual leader is giving not, only the coach to trust, not only the organization, but his teammates who ultimately need to be there and be amped up and have confidence going into the playoffs. So I love everything about

this game and how they finished it. Let's move on to you, Swaggy. Like I said, 10 points in the game only took five shots in his 24 minutes of action. Obviously, he has some words afterwards about, you know, just running with the game playing, letting his guys stay involved, letting his teammates eat. You respect Winby for having that mentality in the game like. this. For sure. And there's not too much you can do. You're blowing a team out, man. And everybody got it going young. When you young, teammates got it going, feeding off that energy. I just, I'm happy for Fox, for sure, to be out the situation in sack, to come to a contender. His whole name and everything could change. Does he get one? If they, you know, go to the finals and all that,

I love it. I love it. Winby. I just thought the way Wimby be talking to, man. He got that confidence. I let them have fun. Go ahead. I let them have fun. That's some Mamba mentality type type stuff at a young age. Mama mentality for Wemby,

at Wembe, I very wise beyond his years in his third year in the league. But let's shift over to you, Mr. B. You respect Wemby for letting his teammates eat and their blowout win over the Sixers. Yeah, of course. Not just that, but just the whole team in general. Yeah. They got beat by the Knicks, and then they come back into Philly, and, you know, it's a statement game to me for a team that's young, that's been tested all year. And to see them play like that, if they play like that going into the playoffs, that is going to be a scary, scary, scary team.

So the fact that Wemby only had five shots, only scored 10 points, I mean, it's just a system. I mean, it's just a spur system. I mean, Tim Duncan had games like that, and they still won things like that. But to see everybody scoring double figures at a time like right now in a statement game like that, I love it. So good. Let's shift over you. Spurs at eight players in double figures. Dylan Harper was seven of 22 each.

Wimby, 10 points. This stuff is actually. So like I said, six blocks, three steals, eight rebounds. But what do you think about Wimby's post game comments, you know, and do you respect him for making sure that he's happy with his mentality and letting his teammates eat? Unmute. Love you. You said, let his teammates eat. All right.

Like, what does that mean? Like, he had a choice. Like, he got the ball, and he was saying, you know what, this is too easy for me. Let me get my teammates involved so they can eat. Is that the understanding of it? Or was he shut out of the game because the drumming was on his ass and it was physically not let? He says it in there. They wasn't detaching from me.

So on a picking roll, they're bodying them up. They didn't let them roll. They let them pop to the three. While they had a hand on them, they didn't take their body off of them. So it's like, well, if this is how they're going to play, just keep just keep going.

That's not letting my teammates eat. That's just the other team just saying, you know what? We're not going to let you get involved into this game. Drumming even got, I think, a technical for pushing Wembeen being in the back because he almost had an offensive rebound. That was the game plan.

We're just not going to get our. body off of you. We're not going to sag so you can pop, shoot the dough three you want. So we're just going to, we're going to body up. And then we're going to put, like, drumming was literally, after the screen, he was just literally using his hand and pushing him down there toward a half court. And so it was just a physical game for him personally. So he didn't let his teammates do nothing. They just, all right, well, that's what they're going to do. We're just going to keep turning his corner and score. But give us just still ahead. It just not the game. Yeah, it just sounds crazy, let them.

eat, let his teammates eat. That sound crazy. I mean, he still had 10s, 8, 4, 3, and 6. He's made this type of commentary before. He's happy when the rest of the crew gets going. I don't know. Being happy, but to be starting his narrative, like, let him eat.

Like, he let him. Like, Steve Nash said, I'm not going to take no shots. And I'm going to have 20 assists. I'm letting my teammates eat. I'm just getting everybody involved. But that's not your role. You, you're just you just couldn't really get the ball like that because of how they were they were physically playing you. And they were just taking what the defense give him. So I mean, he goes into other

things, right? I mean, he had eight rebounds. It has nothing to a point. Six blocks. I mean, I'm still affecting the game, no. That's not, wasn't the, that wasn't the, that wasn't the, question. The question wasn't, I'm affecting the game. The question is because he only had five shots, I'm letting my teammates eat offensive. Yeah, they had it going. Everybody else had it But it wasn't because of him doing something. It was the defense saying, I'm not going to take my body off of you. So I'm going to let Fox turn the corner. I'm going to let Castle turn the corner because I'm not.

Hold on, hold on. How stupid is that as a team is getting blown out by 40 to say, I'm going to let, we're not going to let Wemby get more than five shots, but we're going to let everybody else do what the fuck? they want and we're going to get blown out and be happy about it. Yeah, knowing that, yeah. What did you say? That's the time.

What did you say? It just doesn't make, it just doesn't make sense for the team to feel good about taking Wimby out of the game and then still get blown out by 40 because the other guys stepped up. Who said they feel great with the game? It was their game plan. It was a terrible game plan. That wasn't the question.

The question wasn't a terrible grain plan. That's not the question. The question is the question. But that's the answer. The answer is whatever the fuck, whatever the fuck the question is, you never came up with the answer. Like, you didn't stop shit.

His five shots come at the detriment of the team being an ethical basketball team. He knows that if he don't got it going, if they're trying to stop him, they're playing physical. I got to affect the game in other ways. That wasn't. He did that.

That wasn't the question either. You want to argue the performance. I'm answering just the question. That's the answer. That's the answer to the question. It doesn't matter what the question is. Sir, sir, sir. We all have different answers to the question.

We're all not going to have the same answer. We're all going to have different. We're all going to have different answers. Oh, I was muted. You answered yours. So you can mute your, you answered already. I answered again, though. I just answered again.

I just countered. I counted my answer. You don't have to re-gat. If you want to answer again off of something Josiah says, but what I said was only pure facts of why he. Oh, oh, you're right. My bet. Well, it wasn't right or wrong.

The way he presented the question of letting his teammates eat, the facts of that is how they were playing him defensively. bodying them up, not letting him catch the ball, letting the guards drive. We're not going to stop the guards. Our game plan is to physically take Winby out of the game. That was their game plan. Did it work?

It worked against Wemby didn't work against the rest of the team. The rest of the team eight. But we're not talking about, was it a good game plan? If that's the next question, then I can say, nope, that was a horrible game plan. You lost by 40. That wasn't the game plan. I'm just answering the question.

Well, like I said, for Wemby don't have to take 20 shots to affect the game. He don't have to take 30 shots to affect the game. He can take five shots to affect the game. He can be extremely comfortable with letting his teammates play well, regardless of whoever game plan have against him. It doesn't matter. He doesn't care. He don't care about individual stats.

That wasn't the question. But I'm with you on that, too. But it wasn't the question. So, do you respond to that? Glad you do that in there. Hey, Josiah, you need to frame your questions a little bit better to take the narrative out because this is all on you now. No, I'm just your question. Elite host.

It's your question. Elite host, great A, well respected in the industry. But, no, but to the other point, though. Answer another question. But here's the other point of this. How about this. Say, does Winby need the score 30 for the spurs the win? You get in Joseph?

No, thank you. Okay. Because we know the answer to that. He does not. Answer another question. But to the point, though, a game like this, Wimby only taking five shots rolling with that game playing physicality. Sixers under man don't have him beat.

Obviously, PG's still dealing with his suspension. We've seen teams try to implore this strategy with Wemby, where they're trying to just out physical him. Does he need to start to step up and just try to take those moments over? How does he adjust as a player with that physicality? That seems like the strategy. There is Luca and all those other guys who flopped, get fouls have to step up their physicality?

No, I'm saying. We'll be dealing with the physicality. They need to just call foul when he get fouled. Like, which one is it? I mean, because those dudes don't get foul. They get fouls. They flop. This shit, he flop more?

I don't know. I just think that at the end of the day, it's basketball, you take what's given. And he's been doing that. He's been doing them very well at it. So his adjustments will come when he sees it. I think the coaches will make those adjustments as well. We go at it like that.

What was the question? What was the question? Yeah. It was the question. You remember the Spurs? So, you know, there's someone who just, no matter what, it's spurs. So he's going to run that narrative, not going to answer. So what was the actual question?

The strategy of being physical with Wemby, it seems like that's been utilized throughout the season more and more now. But for somebody like Wembe, who's on the verge, become an elite score, how do you need to adjust and address that to still be able to get buckets? I mean, you don't need to address it in a certain way. Like if they want to body you up, if they want to play physical with you,

obviously you have guards that can turn the order. You have guards that can make plays come downhill. So if you have a gar-like castle, Fox, for sale, and Harper who come downhill at a very fast rating naked, they're all athletic, and you don't try to stop them on a pick and roll, then that's a dumb game play. Right? All that pushing up and you letting these guys turn a corner of a free leap.

I mean, you know, it's, you can't do it. But I understand why you're trying to do it because you don't want Wemby to, you know, roll or pop without somebody touching them. It's just a horrible game plan if you think physically, trying to get him, especially if he don't have the ball, right? I mean, trying to keep him up the lane and make him shooting more jump shots, that should be more of your goal versus just trying to physically beat on him. But I get it.

You can try to take him out his game, you know, be physical with him, you know, get him mad. But like you said, they do got a bunch of scores. It's what you can't just say, I'm going to let the other guys win when they got down there three other all-stars on their team. That's crazy. Why don't we just do like you said, Gil? Just, just, why don't we just do what you said? Like, just go down and just stand right in front by the rim.

Because they're not letting them, like, what was not letting them near that room yesterday? So, I mean, I'm saying, like, just get to the room. Yeah, he don't have to come down to nobody level, yeah. Yeah, like, he don't, he don't. But you want to be physical, you got to get low and do all that shit, no. You don't have to do that. Like, if I'm running up the court, like, if I'm running, like, I'm getting to the,

like, I'm getting by the room. Just throw that bitch up. He's holding them. Above the free-door line. Drummond was holding his ass above the free-door line all last year, yesterday. Just holding him up.

You ain't going down there. Because once he get down there, he does have the advantage, so you're going to try to play physical free-go line and above. And hopefully he just pops back and settles for the jumper. There's only been one player in the history of the game

has been able to go down the court and just stand in the middle of the lane and get the ball and dominate. That one should slow-nil. Every other big, if we're talking about who, You know as a coach, you teach your players to stop the guy at the free throw line, push him and push him off to the side of the block where he catches it off the block.

Yokos don't get to run down the middle of the floor and just say, throw it to me. None of the bigs do. I mean, I think that's just fundamental basketball when you talk about running down the floor. So he being skinny, he's not going to be able to just do that every time unless it's transition. So it can't be their game plan just to throw his big ass down there and just say, throw it up to me and let me do my thing. They did that against the Lakers last time when I watched. They had all them little fucking people on them that threw it up.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, some games is going to work. Who's the big man there? Yeah. Aidan? Yeah. They threw that bitch right up. Yeah, he's going to be physical with himself right now, so, you know.

He's not clinkapela, dude. He ain't no clinkapella. That's sick. But looking at this Spurs squad, Wemby said this in the past, ethical basketball. We heard this term thrown out a lot. Do you respect the Spurr style of play?

With Wemby saying more old school style, tactically correct, in comparison to some of the other teams that we see in the league nowadays. It's old school? This is Wemby's worst. Not mine. I'm just literally telling you what the Frenchman said.

I can read the quote for you if you'd like. What's their record? They are second in the West right now. Okay. I like that they instilled the Spurs basketball into each player that comes through there. The pop, I think that's pretty dope to learn that, that culture. It gives you, like, like Philly. I mean, not Philly, like Detroit.

They got the, that culture is play physical. Yeah. I think that's dope to have that in your system. Like, I wish Lakers had some. Our shit is get a star player and win the championship, hopefully. So hopefully that happened. Spurs share the ball, move the ball. You got to be a smart player when you get there and learn the system.

That's dope. So I'll read Remby's quote. You said during the NBA Cup, many thought was a shot at the thunder. But he said, in modern basketball, we see a lot of brands of basketball that don't offer much variety in dangers they propose to the opponents, lots of isolation ball and sometimes kind of.

of forced basketball. We try to propose a band of basketball that can be described as more old school sometimes. It's the Spurs way as well. So it's tactically more correct basketball, in my opinion. Wimby's words and not mine, this is what he said during the NBA Cup. Maybe we'll be taking shots, boy. I mean, hey, we're going to see. They get to the finals and win it all.

We're going to say y'all was playing correct basketball. We'll be taking shots at the... So we're going to see how correct it is come June. In your opinions, what is correct basketball? Is the goal to score more than your opponent, however you accomplish or execute that? Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah, that's basically. It's tactically correct if you were able to do that.

But like, what do you think about when being talking about the Spurs, quote-unquote, ethical style of basketball play? What is that actually mean? That's a great question. Spurs basketball. I mean, you know Spurs basketball, what that sound like. It's not. First basketball. Like, what part of Spurs basketball?

Like, what part of, what year is this part of Spurs basketball where they have a big man that's sitting on the three-point line not posting up? Like, Spurs basketball was having a dominant big down low, and everything ran off of them. So. Yeah. Yeah, but they shared it. Like, they moved that bitch.

They moved that. They did cuts all kinds of shit. Scream like Spur. Off to be. So we're talking about Spurs basketball from David Robinson to Tim Duncan, right? If that's the Spurs basketball we're talking about, that's not the same basketball as this one.

This is a five-out style, try to pick and roll. Everybody pick and pop shoot threes. So they're shooting 20 more threes than the old Spurs basketball who only shot 17 threes. So there's 37 threes. So they're doing this. anything every other team is doing. You're saying you can't

like lift Spurs, you can't elevate Spurs basketball? Like you can't. I don't think that was the question. But that Spurs basketball, though. You can't bring the big out and still be Spurs basketball? Spurs basketball have to happen with the big in the post?

Let's answer the question. I thought sharing the ball and making plays in Spurs basketball. Let's talk about what ethical means. How he's usually. Okay. Adhering to principles of right and wrong.

Ensuring actions are honest, fair, and responsible. You get to play basketball the right way. What does that mean? I think as Hoopers, we know what playing good, right basketball is, and then playing bad wrong basketball. I think we know the difference. We've seen the difference between guys who don't win playing basketball the wrong way. They have a lot of good individual staff.

The team don't make it very far because they're not playing good quality ethical basketball. Ethics come from your principles. The San Antonio Spurs, regardless of the style of play that they had, regardless of playbook-wise, they've always played ethical basketball, share the ball. And the Lakers used to too, too, Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan and the Bulls, they play ethical basketball. That was the triangle. Share the ball, move the ball, pass the ball, all those things is a part of the

ethics of who. So I think everyone who does play hoop knows that, that everybody's out there looking comfortable. They're sharing the ball. They trust each other. Play hard, play smart, play together. Well, I have a championship yet. So can you be a losing team playing ethical basketball?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can. You can have, you can not have good players. Okay, so who dictates the idea of ethical? So doesn't a team like, Boston, when they won the championship,

they got to share the ball to win the championship, right? That's ethical basketball. So that means if OKC won the championship last year and the shot is to OKC, but they are the champions, what they played, we all thought, was ethical, team basketball, offensively and defensively. Yeah. So I guess it is whoever team wins it is playing ethical basketball.

I don't think so. I don't think that's... I don't think that's... That got to be it. It can't be it. You can't be playing ethical basketball if you're losing. You play an ethical basketball when you're trying to become a dynasty, just like the Warriors.

The Warriors were playing ethical basketball. They won multiple championships. They got great players, too, though. That were playing ethical basketball, just like the Spurs. They won multiple championships because they have an ethical organization. and those are to play good basketball. Same with the Bulls, same with the Lakers. So was they playing ethical basketball last year

when they were losing? The Spirers? Yeah. Yeah, they were playing ethical basketball. Hey, who's that shot at? Who was the shot at when he said it? Many thought it was the Oklahoma City Thunder. So...

They would have to ask Wemby, right? Because we don't know. But you're telling him, you're telling us what he, meant to say with ethical, so. No, I've just defined the definition, the actual definition of ethical, but I'm not telling you what he said.

I'm telling you what the word, the word means. Your definition, then, that means the the shot that he's throwing at the team, they play ethical basketball. The champions, they've won, they're still on top. But you're playing the right way because you beat them.

He was never talking. I don't think he was taking no shot at him anybody. He was talking about different brands of basketball and what brand of basketball they play. Can we hear the quote again? There are people going to be sensitive. Can we hear the quote again? What do you say?

No, it's definitely a shot. It's definitely a shot. You're not just saying that. It's definitely a stuff. Yeah, listen, you're playing. He says a lot of stuff. He takes a lot of slick shots. Yep.

We, we. I like it, though. I mean, he can back it up. That's not the, you know, that's not the point. You can back it up. But it's just, you know, it seems like it's more. of a uppity look, an uppity take. I mean, he's French.

Yeah, for sure. A little, a little snooty. What we do over here, we're... Yeah, I feel like he... We're a classy organization. This is the way we do it. We win in fashion. We win this.

And everybody else, that's sloppy basketball. And you have, it's a five-man shooting three is trying to play one-on-one basketball every time he get. What's what you're trying to do and what M.B. is trying to do to you. It's the same shit. But just when you say,

it looks better because you're doing it. Like, we understand the concept. When I do it, it looks great. If you do it, it doesn't look so great. Because I don't look in the mirror. It's hard to when you're stepping five, okay. You know, you average 35 points, right? That means you shoot the ball a lot.

And then, you know, be like, yo, what do you think about here? Oh, niggas is the ball haul. He just shoot shit. You know, one of those. I heard that before. Yeah. Man, you know, so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, um, spurs is playing great basketball. That's all he needs to, you know, me, you know, he only got to throw shots.

Yeah, yeah, you're playing great basketball. I guess he shouldn't have said ethical then. I guess that triggered everybody to, Josiah, don't say ethical. If these things are getting triggered, go say that. You know, as you know, Sean, merely your host, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just a conduit. They don't know what ethical means. You need to start throwing definition on the screen. A big word.

It's not. You know, medicine. It's the big words. It's the big words. It don't be knowing what the shit mean. They just be guessing. Oh,

I guess it means this. Medicine. Medicine. Medicine. Medicine. Right. Medicine. I guess it means this.

So I feel like you're saying this. That's what the girls be doing. They need medicine. Like, you know, like a dude. Like if you pay for a girl, are you taking care of her? Right. Or being called a trick.

You see? Same concept. I don't like the word trick. Why can't I just take girl to take care of the girl who's taking care of me emotionally, physically? But now you're calling me a trick. Different words.

Watch your words. Can't be supportive. Watch your words. He needs to call me a trick. Watch your words. It's just like, are you really being a trick, or you could be a husband,

or you could be a boyfriend, you can be whatever it is. just don't deny the truth. If you can play the word, police, all you want. The truth is the truth. Don't know. Hey, don't use the words. Use the truth.

So my boyfriend and husband. I'm getting to be a boyfriend and not to be a friend. We know what tricks are. It's all the same words. It's just order. It's order. Trick, husband, boyfriend, all that. It's still the same thing.

Medicine, crazy, all that. Ethical, all that. Check in. All that mean. The same thing. Go check in. So let's get back to these Spurs where we move on. So as I mentioned, Spurs had a historic February becoming the first Western conference team in MBAHs treaty.

Sam, random shit. I don't know. What the fuck he said? He didn't cook. I don't know. The fuck that nigggin' me on. So Spurs, Spurs, had historic February. That niggas some smelling salt or something, man.

Look at the guy. Christy. He didn't get some smelling salt. They can't get some smelling salt. So Spurs, first Western Conference team, been history to have. He lost them. He lost them. He lost. Ethical. He's ethical. He doesn't know how to spell it. He don't know how to function. I don't like hearing words I can't spell. Shit. He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. That's why I cut my hair. I'm just,

I don't want people to notice me. What? I don't know what's going on here. Like I said, Spurs had a historic February 1st Western Conference. for team in in Bay history to have all player, rookie, and coach of the month honors in the same month. So Wimby was player and defensive player of the month. Dylan Harper was rookie of the month. Ms. Johnson, coach of the month. So looking at this Spurs squad, deep roster, like we said, have the potential to have five to six, seven guys and double figures from game to game. But now let's shift over to what the playoff mentality looks like.

How much will the Spurs benefit from having a deep roster in the playoffs? Shah will start with you as our resident, Wimby fan. say it again. So how much will the Spurs benefit from having a deep roster in the playoffs? I think ethically they'll do fine. I think they'll be fine. I think they'll be ready. I think they embody a playoff team.

They've got a deep bench and good moral principles going into the season. When or lose, they'll be able to say that they prepared the way they needed to the way they wanted to. So I'm looking forward to it for sure. I've been wondering you swaggy. Spurred? Go ahead, Gil. No, no. Gil, you got to smell?

Yeah, he got to tell you. You ready? Wake them up, yeah. It's you. Dummy? You fucking boy. No, it's you. No, it's you.

All right, I'm going to let you put it to me, Gil, because I know where you go on. I'm going to let you put it to me. I know, I know where you go ahead. That's a pause. You got a pause, bro. I'm going to let you put it to me. me.

Basically. I'm a legend for it to me. You know, when people go at the Spurs, the Spurs is going to fight back in the playoffs. So they're going to hit them back. No matter of you. Hold on the bench. Who, Doug Christie? You had that?

Yeah. That's it for real? Yeah. You're a sick man. No, he's a sick to him. Yeah. There we all. No, no, I think they're going to be tough.

You know, they got a lot of fighting in them. You know, they don't back down, young, energetic, could get it going, look nice like this. You know, and when you're a young player, you see a couple shots going in, that's all it takes. But, yeah, they play the right way. You know, it's just, they got the youngness on their side, so it's going to be tough in the playoffs. But I think they're going to battle.

So, Gil, we talked about the Spurs recently. You said you weren't rolling. They didn't have a go-to guy and said Deerrin Fox needed to take over that role and help facilitate that role come to postseason but how much will the Spurs

benefit from having a deep bench of capable scores come playoff time? You know, playoff is tricky, right? You're going to have a deep bench in regular season. I don't know how many teams use 10 to 11 players

in the playoffs and won a champion? Or not. Well, how many players that OKT do last year? My bad. I didn't mean to touch you all. For a majority of...

Do they... Did they go... Eight? Eight. Oh, okay. Most so. You know, we'll see, you know, the tightening of the rotation because, you know, in the playoffs, especially, you know, second round, you're going to have to play Wemby.

You're going to have to keep him on the floor for him to control the defensive end. So, you know, it all depends on what their rotation is going to be is going to change from series to series, game to game, you know, because it's chess. in the playoffs, right? So look, it's, if they do not make it,

it's not because they lack the skill in the talent. It's just that they, this mentally, they just wasn't ready because of just the youth. That's it. It's not that like three, three years

from now, this will be the okay. see the Golden State Warriors. The same team, three years from now, they're going to be the most dominant, even they're dominating right now, just the experience of the playoffs. It might take them a year.

Remember Jason Tatum, when they were young, right? Got there, they lost, right? That experience is what kept them going and had them dominated and winning the championship with Breeze, right? So if they don't make it this year and win it, it's just the experience of them just not understand in that level of the playoffs.

But, you know, they can surprise anybody. They got all the talent. They got some guys who can really shut down. They can shut you down defensively, right? If they can get their offensive click, you know, and be consistent, you know, throughout the playoffs, then they can win this championship. Mr. B, how much faith do you have in the Spurs?

Crew in their deep roster come postseason? Man, I have a lot of faith. I think they've been battle testing a lot. this year. They've answered. They've grown a lot from last year. And I just, and I can really see them coming out of West this year, making it to the finals. They play with a lot of confidence, a lot of guys are helping the team. And they just have a system, man. Like, they have a system, and I think the young guys are really buying it to it. Most definitely. All right, well, let's shift over to the Sixers side of things briefly if we can.

OMB was back to playing at an all-N-B-level recently, putting up his first 40-point game and first triple-double of the season in games back in January in a stretch where he played in 20 of the six or 25 games dating back to late December. But the process has been hampered by lingering and new injuries, missing games before the All-Star break for right knee injury management. And he will miss at least one more game with the right oblique strain. He suffered against the heat February 26th after being sidelined the previous two games because of the injury did not play against the Spurs last night. obviously. But former MVP average in 27 points, eight rebounds, four assists in 33 games this season

with the Sixers holding down the six spot with a game and a half lead over the magic. So Gil, we'll start with you first on this one. How much faith? No, don't start with me. 27. I'm waiting for,

I'm going to hear a full circle moment. Because I was, I was argued to fuck down on the same topic on the 27th. So I want to hear, since we got the results since the 27 I want to hear of it.

Was I here? I missed it. No, no, no. I just want to hear the you know, I just want to hear the full-circure moment of that they could do.

I think your answer was because NB came back and was playing, I think you said some shit like can it be a force in the east? It was something around that. Could they potentially make a run in the east get out of the second round?

There we go. for the first time. I remember that. They did that out. That's where it was. Could they make a run out of the east? We've seen the best of Mb this season when he's been able to play and being healthy. Like I said, that stretch of 20, 25 games.

This latest stretch missed seven of the last nine games. But what version of NB do you expect to see come to postseason? Is he missing that because the postseason? Like, you want to get healthy for the post season? No, so you just suffered a right oblique strain in a win against the heat. Like I said, on the 26th. Prior to that, the games leading up to All-Star break, he was dealing with right knee injury management.

So he'd be kind of dealing with both of those things. Man, I hear you talking. I want to hear the man who was going for the, you know, that argument down. Oh, you want to hear the algorithm talk. Okay. Okay. Okay, you want to hear the man speak.

You need to shut the fuck up and let me talk. The end got down the old time I can talk is when you shut the hell up. Is what I was trying to tell you? Okay, yeah, yeah. All right. So everybody else go ahead. and go then. So since we're waiting on me, so I might not say nothing. Oh, we know. I mean, I'm going to go next. Let's start with Mr. B. Branden, Jenny's car carrying country club member.

All right. Can you ask the question again, please? So like I said, Embed in Bitt, Miss Semino last night games. How much face should the Sixers have in them beat in the playoffs? Played 33 games this season. Has stretches where he's been able to play good basketball? I mean, hey, if he's available, you know, you put him out there. But this off season, I'm dead. definitely looking to move him because of Maxie and BJ. I just think it's time for them to just focus on those two and be, you know, with his injuries, he already had the knee and now it's something else. It's just going to be an ongoing thing.

So to me, if he comes back from the playoffs, play them and then let's get rid of him. Play them and let's get rid of them. No matter what they're doing the postseason, you feel that way. Yeah. Swaggy, let's move on to yourself. So Embed has three more years on his deal, sign up to that three-year deal under contract to 28, 29. You sick? For me?

Yeah. It's going to be hard to move in B. I think just because you can't get nothing back for him. But the fact that he's trying, I give that to him. you know, but I think Philly's tired. They're tired of this, they're tired, but you either just got to cut them and chalk that money up. And see, just go with the future.

Go with them young guys. I just feel like they're a little too little. Hopefully you could get something for them and B. Try to get a big or something. But I don't think they get out the first round this year. And I'll just move on to Cemetery Larry Schott. Beet had good stretches. at 20 or 25 playing at an all-N-B-A level.

We also had other stretches where he's missed games, missed seven of the last nine as of late. But do you still have faith in the process? I'm not going to say I have faith, but I can say that if he's healthy, he's going to play well. He's going to be out there helping the team win. I think they got a good solid team record when he's playing,

and he showed that for the 20 games that he did play. And I think that this is injury, management for sure. I think they're waiting to see how the team does moving into the playoffs and then have him full throttle and let him run the run the course up until the summer. So I think if you're looking for it and B to be well in the playoffs, that's going to be when the Sixers are going to be at their best. So you still got faith in B. Come this postseason with the rigorous. Okay. I'm optimistic. If people know what that means, you might need to put the definition up on the

optimism is key. Last one I leave, Mr. Arenas, the namesake of our show. Are you still holding firm with your beliefs on NB, Gil? Or do you have any optimism? Full circle moment. Mm-hmm. It's full circle moment.

Yeah. Don't steal my shit again, huh? You didn't want to use it. You didn't want to use it. One more. First, why did you do you? One more. do what more do you want for me

man? Why do you use it with this takes? What more do you want for me, man? He's want to win the tape, but the facts always come back as the fans. I don't want to win nothing. I just win because I'm a winner. I'll just win. I don't

have faith in them because history that we've seen so far, he missed too many games and in the playoffs the games are so chop, chop, chop. The knee itself physically just can't hold up. So there's going to be games where he misses one, two, in the playoffs.

There's no chance this team can be a threat in the playoffs. Since then, after I got argued for about an hour, they threw the goddamn tombstones in the chat, shit doing this and shit. What end up happening? What happened right after that? A lady stretch, you know, he missed some games. Okay, no, we know that. That was obvious.

Then something happened to the other player that they was banking on. Apal George got suspended. It seems like after all that happened, we didn't want to talk about it no more. Nobody want to talk about a fully no more. So after that, right, PG had a situation. That's 25 games gone. Back up guard, Jared, Bone, in beat, ain't been playing consistently.

Now, he ain't so confident. He's, what was that? Touristic, future. Optimist pride or whatever. He is that now. He's optimistic now. Okay. Where is the six is there in the standings right now?

They are six in the Eastern Conference right now. They're six in the Eastern Conference right now. Where were they before? They've been hovering around that six range for a little bit. They've been hovering around the same place, right? That seems like they've been consistent with or without him in the same spot. Four games out of fourth, but also like three and a half games ahead of tenth. Well, I mean, damn.

It could go, but the point is, yeah, this is an important stretch of the season. Yeah, the point is they're going to be in the playoffs, right? That's how it's shaping up right now. That's how it's shaping up. not 10. Yeah, they're not. No, they're not 10. No, that wasn't a question.

They could, they could just be a six and just wing it without them be even be cool. Yeah. But with them, they could move to four, to three. That wasn't the, just what the argument about it. It doesn't matter what the question is. It's just what it is. No, no, no, no. We were saying, will they be a threat?

It's all good, man. A threat. You remember that was the threat. It's all good. They're a threat because they're still six. They were that then Yeah, so they're still the threat But you're optimistic now

Then you was proving You was arguing It doesn't matter It still the same That matters It's still the same So I'm still optimistic No you know

What that means But then you was 100% You're not that no more on you I was 85% I'm never 100 It's either 78 or 85 one of those 78

it's never it's never a hundred it's never a hundred it's never a hundred they might get me up out of here if it gets to a hundred then it means there's some shit there's some shit going on

if it gets a hundred so are you closer to 78 than you are to 85 at this point it's probably moved down about 60 something right now it's probably moved down given the current events given the climate of the common

that's been happening lately I got to get my mojo back going, you know what I'm saying? There's been a lot of nuclear attacks going on. We can't get back to 78 to 80. We can get back there. I say nuclear. I'm confident, huh? And optimistic.

But let's keep this thing moving. Have you ever dressed like that again, my name? Hey, no. I'm going to put you on a corner, nigga. You should. I'm going to put you on a real point. I appreciate him saying he was wrong in his, his Rashad way. I appreciate that.

Ain't no wrong when you win it, man. Ain't no wrong. But look, I just want y'all to laugh at my jokes like y'all laugh at his. I guess I don't know what it is. It's a little bit more funny on that side, ain't it? See? I'm not going to laugh. Equal opportunity laughing.

He goes to get your drink up and shit. It's supposed to laugh. Come on. Equal opportunity. Come on, guys. Come on, guys. All right, well, let's shift over to something. That's the medicine I'm talking about.

Let's shift over to something that one would hope can unify the virtual arena, all of our different locations, everything going on in the universe. So Kevin Durant, been climbing the career scoring ranks. Last week added another milestone to his bucket getting resume, becoming the second fastest player in NBA history to reach 32,000 points with only MJ doing it in fewer games. It's also the sixth player in NBA history to cost that threshold. So Katie accomplished a feat in his 1,178th career game,

a Rockets win over the magic, making history in the process. He dropped 40 points, eight boards, two steals, making him the oldest player in Rockets history with a 40-point game. He's also the only player in league history to drop 40 in a regular season game with five different franchises, which really is six if you consider the Sonics and Thunder to be two different franchises, which legally they aren't, but we'll become a Seattle gets awarded an expansion team and brings the Sonics back, which we all hope.

What happened? So, Durant, pushing up towards MJ, he needs 225 points to pass into. He's the only person that dropped 40 on four different teams? On five different teams. Five different teams. Five different teams.

So five different teams right now. They count the Sonics and Thunder as one. I say, Jamal didn't do that, Jamal Proffert? K.D. According to the squirters. Three.

One, you dropped 50 on each team he was on. That's why. Right. I'm going on Phoenix. Even on Phoenix, he dropped 50 at the end. 60. That's why I was like,

that's according to the square. You'll be probably the only person I would be like, wait a minute. So Katie, 225 points away from passing MJ fifth all time. So what's your reaction that Kevin Durant becoming the second fastest player to reach 32,000 career points? I mean, it just shows, you know, the consistency of, you know, his talent. this new group of these this new group of guys

is taking their bodies serious they're taking their health serious you know they're not in the streets right you know like you know past right they're not they're not club hopping like they did before right you know um everything seems more controlled

they got better medicine so they're lasting longer so they get the hold their prime a lot longer right you're talking about what I mean, how many guys at the age of 37 in history was playing this type of level, even 75% of their greatness at that age, right? So it's going to be majority of this group. So the fact that he came in early at an early age and he was dominant from the beginning,

this is no surprise, right? I mean, the only people who are going to catch that and beat him will be Luca. Tatum, that group. Ant-Man, right? That's the only group that can surpass or catch or be the next group, but they got to, you know, sustain it into 37 because Luca

came in at the 18 and he's been bawling ever since. So he's likely to be the closest one to do it at the age. I don't think at 37. I mean, physically, because he's going to be a little bit slower, but, you know. Yeah, that's what I'm about to say. I know.

I call it, I know. I mean, you know, Wimby could be the youngest to do it, but, you know, he's going to have to up that offensive production. And, I mean, he's missed a lot of games so far. But, I mean, it's amazing, you know, just to see, you know, the high level at the age that these guys are at. You know, it's just remarkable. Just we were three, four years too early to be retired at 32 to 35. He was playing at 37. He was playing at 27, right?

Just those doctors that came in, you know, and that medical staff that came in around 2010, you know, nine to 12, changed the game. You're basically talking about Katie missing a season and a half too, obviously in his career. Oh, yeah. And still being able to do this, being able to come back from that injury

and still play at a high level numbers comparable to before the injury. But Mr. B, when you see, what Kevin Durant has been able to accomplish six player in NBA history to surpass 32,000 points. What does that mean to you? It just speaks to his work ethic, his love for the game. I mean, every time you see Kevin Durant, if he's in the club, if he's outside, he's always working on this game, doing something basketball-wise. And he's a gym rat, man.

You know, he's one of the greatest scores we've ever seen. I'm sure if he plays another five years, he'll probably be at 10. three, top three or top two maybe, the way he's been going. So, I mean, just to be at a finish top five in scoring is going to be crazy. I'm sure it would probably be three or three or something like that. But no, man, just speaks to his work ethic, though. He puts in the time and effort and the work. Pushing MJ out of the top five.

But I mean, yeah, five, yeah. I mean, it's going to happen this season. That's the crazy part. Yeah. Because the play. I mean, because the play. I mean, because the pace, he's averaging 1,600 total

points the last five seasons. So, like, you know, if he does that the next five years. So, like, what do you think about it? You can stay at the four position. So. But he's 30-7 right now?

37. How the game is? Huh? 37. He's 37, yeah. So if you do it's a 42. Which is crazy to, I mean, but we are. That's crazy.

crazy, bro. Like, he can do it. Fucking luck at that 40. Just three more years, he's going to be four. Yeah. If he plays three more years, all he needs is a thousand, a thousand points each year. Yeah. You know, which is nothing. So what's like, what do you think about KD crossing that 32,000 point threshold, becoming a six player in league history to do so?

Same hand. One of the best. To put the ball in the hole, for sure, probably deep best. Just seeing his work that thick band on the same team, saying my draft still in the lead while I'm on here with Gil and shit talking crazy. It's amazing to see for real. And he's only going to still seven feet, going to be able to get his shot off until he want to retire, for sure. Stays in the gym.

You know, he put basketball before a relationship. for everything. So the man, the man is dedicated. That's all I got to say, for sure. And last man, Cemetery, Larry, KD. Hitting 32,000 points, dropping a 40-piece,

oldest, raucest player to ever to have 40 points still producing at a very, very high level in Adam Silver's National Basketball sales session. But what's your reaction to KD joining that elite group of bucket getters? 2014 he got hurt that could have been a 2,500 point season. 2020 he didn't finish. That could have been a 1,500, 2,000 point season.

22, Phoenix, he had 200 points. He could have had another 2,000 point season there because he ended up having one after that. I think that kind of puts him at 34 right now, so I think he would have surpassed based on injury, his capabilities. Three more years, if he's getting 15, 16, I think he could definitely,

I think he'd always have potential to break the record. I mean, LeBron's pushing it to an exorbitant amount, but KV, if he can resort to the postgame a little more, more face-up, Mello-style. He can average about 25, 26 for the next four years. I don't know if he has that

drive to get through four more years of plan. I don't know. Can you imagine if, like, KD had, like, a mentality of, like, just being selfish? Like, he's one of the most unselfish people, too, at the same time.

Like, then on a team wanted to let somebody else win at finals MVP. That's how I'm selfish, but he got it going. Nah, Katie, pretty selfish. I wanted, oh, yeah, I wanted you to get it. Like that, he tried, literally tried, but he had, like, that's crazy to me. Like, imagine if he had a Russ mentality playing with Russ. Like, all right, you get your ass out the way. Give me this ball.

those three years in Golden State those three years at Golden State was supposed to be three more years of MVP 30 plus Kevin Durant so he deferred those three years in Golden State he deferred 26 a game

and that's what I'm saying I mean deferring is winning the championship in finals MVP I mean I guess that's how good he is that's how I was saying that's just like for him to, you know, find other guy not really care about being selfish. He could have went in there, like, I'm about to continue what I'm doing

what I was just going over here. I'm about to get 32 a game, 33 a game. He just wanted to fit in. All right. So I want to know if he, so we know he's going to be playing to at least 40, right? He can average, if he just played 60 games a year, average 17 points, right? be fourth with 35,000. Yeah.

I want to know if he's trying to get the second. So it's him and LeBron won two. That brings me to my next question, Gil. So he's less than 8,000 points away from joining the 40,000 point club with LeBron. To reach that milestone, he'd need to average 25 points per game over the next five seasons while playing at least 64 games per season somewhere around that 64 range. Oh. And you think he could do?

That's five seasons. We're talking about five, five years from now. Next year. How much he average this year? I think it's like like 26, 27 range. Yeah. 26 points in 57 games so far. I mean, I mean, if he sits down and actually this is something he wants to do,

all he does is just front load the games, right? You're talking about trying to play 72, 73 years, the next two years, while you physically can. So, you know, on the back end, you know, you got wiggle room, right? So it's doable because he, like, let's just, from day one to now, right? His worst year was his rookie season, right? So which means that 23, 24 game will be a down year, but that that down year is still chopping at this. Right. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's reachable. And if, if, if it's something that you're this close to, you might want to consider it. You know, not, you know, you're, you're this close. It's like, it's like they're going into the third. You, you got to try to go for 70. Right. You know, come out shooting really aggressive. If you hit those shots, hey, we're right there. Let's go. You know, no, no time has just started, you know, fucking it up now. This is only regular season.

right? Only regular season. Yeah, he's close enough to get at it. What's James Hardin? Let me see. James Hardin is 37, too, right? No, he's older. He's younger. He's younger.

Hardin is 36. He'll turn 37 in August. So he'll be in the 30 club next year. Oh, oh, Lord, have mercy. They ain't going to let Hardin pass it, though. They don't kick I mean, loka.

The way Hart is tracking, he needs only 5,000 points to get the fourth. Yeah. A thousand a year. He can get a thousand. So, he can get a thousand a year. Bro, he can get a thousand points a year. Hey, you think Michael Jordan is mad now? He'd be tired?

What I was saying? It's a thousand points only playing 60 games. Hardin would get to fifth, right? Because KD's going to jump up. KD. get the fifth. Yeah, so he'll get the fifth. You can be top five. So three years?

Shit, four years from now, you're going to be looking at LeBron, Perrine, Kevin Durant, and James Hardham. Yeah. You think Jordan Maddie retired now? Early and came back,

them two years, that year? You'd be honest, if you rewind Jordan back to at least 1988, before they crowned him the best in the world, the best I'd ever lived. Once he got the title as the best player ever,

the numbers, the points didn't matter at that point. He already got the crown. Remember, you know, the 33, 38, 35,000 points was shown then. He had 18,000 points when they gave it to him. So that this scoring list didn't even matter to him at that point, right? So he didn't need to chase something. if I already got the flag,

I don't know, I'll get a fuck what you doing over there. Oh, I forgot. So I think that's what kind of hurt. I don't think, I don't say it hurt, but. That hurt him. That's what I'm saying. If he had the crown, he was like, fucking, I'm going to. This shit, he should have this.

Because the way he took some years for granted. He was tracking, you're talking about 82 games every year, 30 points a game. Every year you've played in this NBA. And the games you, the years you miss, those are your prime years. Those are your prime years. Those are your prime years where you were taking open to leave. You looking those years back.

Yes. Like, he is number two or number one. And I think LeBron James is doing what M.J. should have did. Yeah. He said, you know what? There might be a motherfucker behind me. That's like, you know what? I'm going to do whatever it takes to beat that.

And I think that's why LeBron James is pushing his shit up higher. Even like retiring after the championship, you think he should have win another year? I think he's still on business. You fire my coach, I'm out. And that's what I'm going to stand on. If Phil Jackson was still there, that team was for pitting. Because nobody was built. Nobody was built then.

There was no team built to beat them. Spurs won that championship the next year. Should have been the Lakers, but it was Spurs who won. But did, did Pittman left? though too, though. Are you going to trade it? You don't think the spurs would have got the bulls? Not that year.

All right. Last but not. They had that crazy mother over there, just playing defense on the four and the five. He was like, he had to feed all the fours and the five. Shut the frame now. So we talked about Katie,

obviously reaching that 32,000 point in my son, but let's talk about what he's doing at this very moment in the NBA, average of 26.5. rebounds, five assists. He's played 57 games, 51, 40, 89 shooting splits. 37 years old playing nearly 37 minutes per game, third most in the league. Score 30 or more in 24 of the 57 games he's appeared in. He's only missed a total of three games this season. Two for personal reasons.

I had a family matter he had to deal with. One due to injury. How impressive is Katie's offensive efficiency at 37 years old? Is it even fair to say to age? at this point, just a man. That shit is art. 51, 80, 89. Making a nigga mad. We can put it in these perspectives.

He's so good, and he's been so good for so long that when the media is bored and they need viral moments, we thought he was bullshit when we said it, when he said it. Push the KD button.

there's two buttons you push when you don't got no topics KD. Loprotts. Like we did today. No, I'm just kidding. We all thought it was funny because we all just Kevin Red being sensitive, right? But when you think about it, like, that is a button that's been pushed against him every single time.

All-Star Weekend. There was nothing going on. Nobody was talking shit about the All-Star Weekend, right? What was going on? What happened? happening the All-Star weekend that we wanted to talk about coming out of All-Star weekend. No. The camp. Eurros.

We got him. Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, Chris. Cool. Kevin the Red burner camp. Burner. Oh, the burner. The burner. The burner.

The burner. The burner. That one in everybody from the border. That would be shown that he is so damn good and been so damn good that you can rely on just talking about him and get your view. use up. That's how good he is. 37. 37. Hit it.

30 or more in 24 games, though, this season. That is wild and absurd to think about. All right, well, let's shift over. We'll talk about some other happenings going on in the league. Pelicans were in L.A. Tuesday night take on the Lakers. Zion Williamson back in the lineup after missing the previous game dealing with an ankle injury. He suffered Saturday against the Jazz. So Zion finished 24, four boys, 33 minutes of action. as the Pels dropped their second straight game. So after the game, LeBron and Zion shared a moment on the court.

We went from KD to somewhat LeBronish, but let's take a look at this moment. They shared, we will not play the audio for you guys, but the camera mic picked up some of the exchange with Bron telling Zion, F all that BS about Stephen A. So the BS LeBron was referring to was comments made by Stephen A Smith during an episode of First Take Tuesday,

in which Stephen A rehashed his report that sources close to Zion told him that Zion was a food addict and that he was even caught hiding food under bed at one point. Who says shit like that? Come on, man. So Stephen A. Slander came just a day

after Williamson did a sit-down interview with ESPN's Malika Andrews, which he talked about his injury struggles throughout his career and his love for the game and how bad he wants to be out there on the court. So Zion averaging a career low, 21.5 points, along with six sports, three assists this season,

but has appeared in 46 games, including a recent stretch where he played 35 straight games, eclipsing his total of 30 games played in all of last season. So his contract for next season isn't fully guaranteed. It has some game and weight clauses in there, but it recently got 40% of that contract guaranteed by playing in his 41 game this season. He can get another 20% if he plays 51 games

with an additional 20% coming if he plays 61 games. So... A fool addict and be hiding fool under his bed. Stephen A said some shit like. Stephen A made those comments. The Pelicans' Twitter account clapped back at him, clowning him for his athletic shortcomings. I think Stephen A was on first day today,

going back at them, said he was more popular than anybody on the Pelicans besides Zion. These are just snippets, as you know. He's busy doing those virtual arena. He's not talking like that. He's been moving like that for a while. Yeah. Damn.

But let's focus on the positives with Zion. Like I said, he's played 46 games this season. hit that 41 game threshold to get some more of his bread guaranteed. You can get even more with the 51 and 61 game thresholds. But Swaggy will start with you. How much faith do you have in Zion being able to return to an all-star level? Wait. So he's playing because he got to get his money guaranteed.

I think he's playing because he loves basketball. But a part of that is his ability to now, when he reaches those game thresholds, he gets more and more of his bread guarantee. He also has weight clauses. So as long as he stays under a certain. certain weight and body fat. I was going to say something negative about Zion, you know,

but high and candy and food and there's bed tops it. I don't know, man. Report from Stephen Ness, no, no, no, no. I feel like. Let me go last. Let me go last. Let me go last. Go ahead. Wait, like heavy weights? Like the movie

heavy weights? A great friend. High and candies and shit, like a fat. Oh my God. Shout out Jerry Garner. Shout out Jerry Garner. Just that program. The Parker system. Go ahead, Gil. I'm going to laugh.

I'm going to laugh. Everybody went over it? No, I just can't get over the fact that Stephen A. said some shit like that. Stephenette called him a food addict said, I was in here. We're just talking about Zion being able to play, play 46 games this season.

Got, you know, 40% of his contract guaranteed by playing this 41st game can get 20 more when he plays 51, 20 more when he plays 61, so that would be 80%. But how much faith do you have in Zion being able to return to an all-star level? As long as he's taking his physical body structure series, you know, it has nothing to do with this game. It's just, you know, he's carrying a body style that wasn't meant, you know, to be on a basketball court.

So, you know, that's all it is, you know. being a foodie a food addict a food addict who says that yeah because I mean physically he don't look like it

we know what he looks like we know we know what a we know what that's what I'm saying right we know an attic looks like an attic he doesn't look like one 50 right we know what from his body size

he should be If he's an attic, he should be all of 360, 370 looking easily. Like, right? He'll blow up easily. Yeah, so we know that's not the case. Him hiding food under the bed. That sounds sickest last time, bro. Who is he hiding it from?

It's his motherfucking house. Who does he? It hides right in the refrigerator like the rest of the fucking food. Who is he hiding it from? Yeah, you never know. You might have to. His damn food. He ain't in prison.

He's hiding in front of them girls. This is my 300-pound life where the doctors are talking. Right? Shaking this shit. That's why it sounds crazy, bro. That just sounds ridiculous. That's what, man. Getting in the closet by myself,

like his hamburger. They're going to come in. They're going to come in the seat. Well, that's a million that I can eat the shit in public like I've been going. This is a Stephen A. Smith report. I'm just more curious. I'm just picture a nigga pulling cheeseburger. Who was the source telling Stephen A, oh, man,

they caught that nigga putting food under his bed? Who caught him? Who lifted up the pillow? And what did they discover? They tell me, take his room on the road, bro. Like, I'm sure. What? Let me take your bed, man.

Man, where the fuck they get that from? The whole piece of the box under that mouth. This is the brief report. Okay. It's like, okay, got it. But he's an NBA player lived by the soul, and then other than that, he got a bunch of little hos with it. Like, who,

That's what he planned for. He got some holes that's the issue here. You got some holes. He got a support. That's why he's eating the food from, those holes. They'd be eating too. Nah,

they're eating the wood. The same taste they're going to be. That sound like he, Stephen A got that from that one girl. Stephen A got that take for that one girl. All that at his house. He was hiding it from me, Steve. That's what Stephen A.

I mean, you told on yourself, you must. You know her. I knew it. Have you looked at her? She looked like she's the one that's been eating all the goddamn food. That's why he hiding it. That's why he hiding it.

Let me hear the food. Go ahead and put this shit in the bed. All right. Hey, come on. That's sick. Unnecessary. Has Dr. Doolittle said anything in the last like 20 minutes, man? No, he quiet.

I don't know who you're referencing here. We are a family. There's only one doctor here. The rest of us is clowns. So it ain't us that top. The doctor doler, then we got the golfer right here. All right, so what was the question? You know the question.

God damn. We just talked about it. How much faith do you have a Zion being able to return to an all-star level? Stephen A, slander, aside. Also, we know LeBron's situation with Stephen A. But LeBron pulling Zion. We had Zion. In our Summer League show, back in the day, he said he was trying to follow the LeBron blueprint in terms of getting his body correct when he pulled up on us.

One of the greatest moments of Gil's arena history. Yeah, no, I mean, I have faith in him getting to an all-star level. I just don't know if it's going to be there in New Orleans. Yeah. I think that window in New Orleans is kind of like a rap like it's over with. And I think for Zion and for him for the rest of his career, I think he needs a new beginning. Let's move over to Cemetery, Larry. looking at the situation, Zion,

had the non-guaranteed contract, we have talked about that at length in previous episodes of Gil's Arena. Hitting the benchmarks, though. Out on the court, like I said, played 35 straight games, had an injury against the jazz, missed the game against the clippers,

came back against the Lakers Tuesday. Do you have faith that Zion will be able to return to an all-star level? Absolutely. Just looking at the games he's been playing, the speed and he's moving, the veracity, he looks like he's trying to

get there. I think that, you know, the media can distract a lot of the progression that he has, but I commend him and I'm proud of him. Not too many times, I say I'm proud of a Duke player, but he's one of them. I've always liked him aside from his allegiance, but I think that he has, he's, he's, it's promising for him at certain stages, especially him getting over the food stuff and the weight stuff and, you know, not fucking with the hose as much and just really focus. focusing on staying on the floor. I think for him and his passion to play the game, the way that he says it and the way that he looks when he's out there,

he just want to get back to the prodigy that he know he is. And I think when the prophecy is fulfilled, everybody can look back and say it took a little bit longer for him to get where he needed to go, what we expected him to be. But you've got to also look, he's in New Orleans. You know, Anthony Davis was in New Orleans. fucking Boogie Cousins was in New Orleans. New Orleans ain't never been nice to nobody.

So I think whether he stay or go, I think his mentality is to get back to prime form. And I think he still got years to get there. And I'm just proud that he can, you know, block the naysayers out and really just keep focusing on getting to his peak performance. Seven season in the league, still just 25 years old. Will you say he's one of the most let down players coming into the draft, him and John,

that could have became like a superstar by now, like super, super superstar right now. Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about a window like Gil was talking about yesterday before the Edwards, like, because Gil, you said something like Anthony Edwards has like, what, two-year window, two, three-year window? I think that window might be closing. average 27 and 7 the second season missed that that next season with the injury

came back average 26 and 7 in those 29 games I mean we've seen the flashes we've seen the brilliance like it is so weird with with Zion because it's it's the injuries

that's stopping him from from taking off right and the fact that he's average a dub ever since came into the NBA. Like, this is his worst year in the NBA.

But the expectations. The expectations, if you look at any rookie that's came in the league, his rookie year was right on par. His sophomore year was right on par, right? He had an injury, came back average in 26, right? And he's been struggling ever since averaging 23, 25.

22, right? So what it tells me is it's like shaking up a soda bottle. If you open it, when it opens, it might explode. Like, he is, he is one season away from averaging 30 in being a man. Like, that's where his ability is.

It's, you know, is close. For sure. Five years old. Next year at 26, and he's fully healthy, and he comes into the season, he can average 38 and 8, and everybody's like, whoa, this is what we've been waiting for, and he's MVP candidate. But that's how he's been playing, and it's just been just dialed down because of the game. That's what I'm saying.

Everybody's been expecting that same thing each year. But he's, but this is not averaging 17, 16, he's been average in 20. He's, for his career, this career that we're talking about, this, this, whatever this is, his career stats is 24, 6, and 4. That's his career stance. It's for you, you know what I mean? Like it's, like, so if he leaves right now, he was disappointed in him, 24, six and four is what we've been, disappointed in. Come on. Yeah.

So, um, so Rosa Westbrook and James Harden won MVP's at 28. I think if we're going to have an expectation and he's going to line up with Durant because Durant, he won his at

25. Um, I don't think any other 25 year old is winning MVP's at that age anymore. Um, Luca or Aunt Edwards. Um,

I think he still has time to turn the corner. I mean, if we start pushing the expectation to be up to the level of a Kevin Durant and the LeBron James. What years is this, though? Seven. That's what I'm saying. Seven season. I mean, you got Wimby 22. I think we talk about a guy trying to do it around that age range.

He could do it before that. So I think just knowing the age and knowing the circumstance and knowing if he do change teams, he still has the ability to take off. He still has the ability to go towards his prime. Sure. And it's not anything. I don't think injury will be a continual vantage point for him.

I think he will move past the injuries. He will be able to control his body, being young, not knowing how your body reacts to certain foods and all that kind of stuff. I think now that he understands what to do and how to put that muscle behind it, the way I'm seeing him move, I'm saying look out if he get to the,

right situation. He's in a losing situation right now. So if he gets where, now, he don't even have to be in a winning situation. He just needs to be in a competitive situation where guys out there feel like he feel passionate. Let's go out here. Let's compete our heart out. Let's just leaving on the floor. If he gets in one of them situations, you'll see 30 a game. I think he'd be get at. No, you think it can't be in New Orleans, though. You think that ship is left? unless they bring some other shit around.

I think that ship is. Do that give you confidence? You got a non-guarantee contract? When you can get 80% of a guarantee for next season? I think that was a flex moment for the organization to push and challenge him. They wanted to challenge him to do something to get out of that phone. Because if the food was a contributor to him being injured, you got to wake it up somehow.

And we ain't never really seen. that other than in Miami with Shaq and having those restrictions with Antoine Walker and those guys. But I think this is an organization wanted to hold him accountable. But they ain't really doing good by him but not putting it around him.

You got to put him around him to have some type of reason for him. Yeah. A structure something. He got to be healthy too. But it just seems so weird. I guess there's not a lot of players that are. I mean, I think the only person

other than him that's injured and still play so well will be Kauai. Right. Where there's this weird, there's this weird thing that while being injured, they're still playing at this very high level. So all the fat jokes they,

we media has put on him, his worst year is 21.5. Would you trade? You know what I mean? Like his worst year. All right. That's a fat man. Yo, he'd think.

Would you trade? That's what you want to call him. His worst year is 21.5. Would you trade A.R. For Zion? Oh, wow. And who? You would?

Yeah. Hell yeah. For sure. For sure. You would? Yes. Can you imagine that? You're playing me like a Luca?

I could. I would. That's what I'm saying. Like it's just, it's just so, it's so weird because it's, he's right there. Like, like, he's going to be one of those guys you look back and say, God damn it. If he never got hurt, what would happen? Man.

Yeah, what's so funny? He's not going to track with the LeBron James and, like, his potential. Yeah. That's what he was coming in here. It was a Michael Jordan. It was that group. That's what I'm saying. Right?

At 25. he still has the potential to be a top 15 all time. He's 25 years old. You got to remember, most of those guys at 25 was what, two-time All-Stars then? That's in that top 15, 20, right? That's where those guys were at 25 years old. So he's still, he's still, because he came in so young,

he still has history on the side. But he needed to just be. Like, yeah. Four. Hmm? So, Zain. No, yeah, he does for sure.

Hell, yeah. Zion ain't made an all second answer to two, but that's kind of what's the point of the question. He didn't mean when he was 2023? He has two, but how old was he at 22? But my point is he can make it back to that level.

It's not like, yeah. A 22, I believe. I'm just saying. How old would be at 22, 20, 20. 21? Right. He's 22 years old. His second?

No, no, he turned 22. His second All-Star, right? For his second All-Star, he was 22 years old. That was Michael Jordan's rookie season. Right? So, you know what I mean? Like, the age, the time, and these guys, these guys have an advantage because they're coming in so young.

Just like cold. By the time he turned 22, the motherfucking three-time NBA champ. But right now, what should he be, like, Greek freak? Like, how his pace was? Like, taking over. he took over at one point. How old was he when he took over? 22, 20, yeah, because he, Greek came in.

The first couple years was, he came in at 18 also. Oh, shit. Right? Yeah, Janus came in at 18. He was young. Damn. Yeah, but he took over his. He won a championship win at, what, 20.

He made his first all-star game at 22, Yonis. He won his first. He won his 26. 26 is a championship, Nick. His MVP was 24. 24 turn and 25 season. Made his first all-star game at 22 has made the all-star, obviously every year since I also had that stretch of it.

He was 25 because his birthday's in December. Man. Made his first all-N-B-A team at 23. Kept that streak going. He didn't think this is doing some amazing stuff. That's that you can't. It's one of those things that's... I think of Anthony Edwards.

Like, they should tell them like, look at their shit, already. This is crazy. That's why it's so hard if your organization, even if, like, stop looking at the years of 30 years. He's been here seven years.

He has seven years. He ain't 32 at seven years. Like, the old past. You know what I mean? Like, this is not, this is not the 90s and the truth where everybody came in after four years and you came in after three, right? So you're older, you know, when you're hitting your prime and you just get into these seven

years, these guys are goddamn 23, 25 years old. For sure. Most guys just got a big rookie deal. These guys are on two years. They're already through their second year. Their second contract. So you got to hold on to them a little bit longer now. Right?

So it's 10 years now is, oh, you're only 28. 20 years, you're 38. You got to rewire You got to rewire how you hold on to these guys. Good to see. Zion's still flourishing, still doing what he's doing despite Some of the negativity coming out from people in the media space. So Swaggy, let's move on.

But you talked about, you asked a Zion for AR trade, but let's talk a little bit about Austin Reeves. So as we all remember, Reves, I was playing at an all-N-B-A-level to start this season. season, he was averaging 29.7 assists, six rebounds in his first 19 games, taking 17 shots a game.

Purple and goal went 14 and 5 in that stretch. Obviously, most of those came, games came with the bronze sideline to start the season with the sciaticas. In Reeves' last 16 games, numbers have dropped significantly just to 17 points, four rebounds, four assists.

He's taking a little bit over 12 shots per game. Yes, sir. What are you saying? I can't hear it froze. That's why I can't hear the last part. What you said? Last 16 games, it froze on that. Okay, so last 16 games,

it's averaging 17 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, taking 12 shots per game. This includes a stretch where you miss 19 straight games with a grade 2 calf strain from late December to early February. Lakers 9 and 7 in those games. So for the season, Reves is at 24 points, five assists, five rebounds, can opt out of his contract after the season

and become an unrestricted free agent. But I want to ask you guys, we'll start with you. Who is the real Austin Reeves, the player we saw to start the season or the player that we're seeing now? Both. It exists at the same time.

I mean, you can't say Austin Reeves, who was averaging 29, wasn't Austin Reeves. You can't say Austin Reeves when Luca and LeBron wasn't there, him holding the team on his back. Right? That's that Austin Reeves.

When the whole team is together, this is Austin Reeves. So when I was making the argument about the Lakers is not going to pay this man to be the second option, paying him $250,000, I mean, $250 million for a third option player. And you only know what his stats are once everybody gets there. And he's playing like a third option. So you should have traded him at the trend deadline. before the real numbers came out because now no one's going to fall for,

I'm going to trade him for this type of player. His value is going back to where it was last summer when they offered him $90-something million. Hell no. It's like four for 98, which obviously he was going to turn down. They knew it. They had to do it as a, courtesy.

He's going to make a 14-milled this year. So you try to trade him now. What are you going to, if you try to trade him before the deadline this season, what could you realistically expect? to get back. Before the deadline? At a $14 million.

No what I'm saying? Before the deadline, he was tracking at about $200, $240 million. But my point is that the Lakers tried to move him before the deadline. You were trying to move him before the deadline because you were getting high value numbers for that. Now, the more he plays and he's the third option, like we're going to play him, I'm not going to trade you my number two or my number one option for his price. So there's no way they can pay that price because they can't trade it later. I think that's crazy that he went back to the... I think he's better at the second option.

It's not his fault. Come on. He's not the third option. No, no, no, no. To me, is... Somebody don't want to give up that spot right there. What happened when James Hart? What happened when James Hart went to Houston?

He became an All-Star Super Star. What was he before that? Six men of the year, I believe. It was a third option. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think also show people what he can do. Everybody, you know, coming back and just let me showcase my talent.

Let me show you what I can do. Yeah, they got me as a third fiddle when the band is here, but when the band's sick and the band gone, guess what? I'm in this bitch. I'm showcasing. I'm the ATO. I'm Michael Jackson. And now, he backed up being in the back of the band.

He's doing a two-step. got to get his steps right. Now, it is what it is until the summer come, and then we started to see what this money had, but I kind of call you want to deal with that. Yeah, I mean, when the one dude came out and said, we should trade, you know, Jared Jackson Jr. for Austin Reed,

that's what fucked all the mojo was. Now is, now is, he on, I'm looking at him. I'm looking at him out there. He don't look like he was the same guy that was confident with every pastor he got. he don't really know where to get his shots at. He's shooting a low percentage now because he know he's at third. Before he was building up to show I can do wherever y'all want me to be.

But now he's like, I'm third or fourth like the shit. I mean, they might go to Rui before me. I don't know what's going on. Why he feel disrespectful? It was, frankly. Four for 15 against the Pelicans last night. Three for nine against the Kings. Had a good game against the Warriors.

But besides that. That has been, you know, high 30s, low 40%. That's what he's getting like. The Lakers are not going to win. The Lakers are not going to win. The Lakers are not going to win if Austin Rhee's not number two. Yeah, they fighting against reality is. Yeah, you're not a championship team.

You're not a championship team if you're second best players, Austin Rhee's making almost 300 million. You can never get off that asset. You overpaid $4.4. the asset and there's nobody in the NBA will trade you their second option

for your second option and your options never played made an all star game nor all NBA game right when we're talking about second option players those are all stars and all NBA players still but you you're going to pay him you're going to

you're not that you can become that yes it's not to become that when But you can be coming, yes. So you're saying he wasn't about to be an all-star before LeBron came back? Until LeBron came back. Everybody's an all-star until the other players come back. I mean, you have the potential to do that before the cash frame. Remember the Clippers?

What was his name? Right? He was an all-star before the all-stars came back? No, no, James Hardin did get his money until he left, and he wasn't none of that. But James Harden What? But Powell was an all-star this year, though. Wait, huh?

He was playing like an all-star last year. He should have made it until the players came back, and then he had to go back to where he was. James Harden got that max money in Houston averaging 17 points a game. Okay. So Austin Reeves is averaging 23 points a game. Okay.

So it's a different, like, why is he not deserving of the opportunity to do that? But James was coming off the finals, wasn't he? And a six man of the year. Still, the numbers are better. And then went to Houston. No, I know. Then went to Houston and was the number one option. Yeah, he went to Houston, but we're still here.

You're still here and you're averaging your third fiddle and you're averaging 23, which was at 27, and you had to come on down. He's saying like he's not worth, he's not worth money. He was at 30 and now you're down to 23. So now it's like, how can he? not be worth it. He didn't have none of those credentials. He didn't have no all-stars. He didn't have none of that.

Actually, the same exact scenario is just James is a better talent. It's a day James is a better potential. But I think Austin Reeves in today's NBA is similar to a James Harden.

But sure. I'm not rolling. So he's six men of the year, right? So did. And Austin, like you said, Austin would have been an all-star going into this year. Easily. I mean, I think if those numbers were to hell and he didn't have that cap strain, like that caused him to miss that month plus from late December onward.

Yeah, he would have made him a compelling case to get into the game. All right. So he got traded to Houston, right? And then that year in Houston, that one year in Houston, he was all NBA. third team, All-Star, and they signed them that summer for the five-year, $80 million. But the track worker, if he got his own, when Austin got his own thing, when he was 13? Uh-huh. He was 13?

He was 13. He was an all-star and third team when he got that money. And the kicker, he was only 23 years old. We're not talking about the train time. He don't have to be the number one option. I believe he is a second option. I believe the Lakers was better with just him and Austin Reeves. I mean, Luca, ever?

Better as in what? A better team. Too far. Them trying to figure it out who's second fiddle, LeBron, like they're hoping to go. Austin Rees got to take second. Third option and shit, that's shit. That's why they're losing.

They're trying to figure that out. This has nothing to do with LeBron James. This has got to do with the future, right? If LeBron James is gone, right, his 50 million come off. And you give that money to Austin Reeves. And Austin Reeves is paying because he has to, he's going to be making more than Luca. Because remember if Luca got hit with a discount. So that means Austin Reeves will be getting paid like Janice, like Yonkich, like Steph Curry.

Do you think if you have to trade them, you're going to get those. pieces back for Austin Raves. But why? Why do you have to pay them like, you can't give him one- Yeah, you don't have, yeah, he's not. He qualifies for that money, but you don't have to give him that money. Remember I said he's going to have to take a really big discount as a third option player because

I need the real money for a- You just said, you just said, this has nothing to do with LeBron. Yeah, yes. So this has nothing to do with LeBron. He's not a third option. Okay, let's try. All right, let's get the, get the, So LeBron is gone. Yeah, if LeBron is gone, that means he's number two.

No, that means they're going to get somebody else. No, no. If you didn't interrupt it, I would have said it. 240 to 250 is a second option number, right? You can think Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum, J.T. They're in the two high twos and threes, right? They're in the threes, good. Right, they're in the threes.

So if he's going to take 190, 150, good, because that's third option money, because now I get to use the second option money on a real second option. So I need Austin Reeves to take a discount to be in those ones somewhere so I can use the rest of this money to go pay a second option player. Because I'm leaving. I'm leaving. How much does a second option player average points per game? Yeah, I'm leaving if I'm a. If you're going to go get someone else, that's the second option. How much is he expected to average when he gets to the L.A.?

Yes, please. How much is Jalen Brown averaging? How much does the average with Jason Taylor? Because that's the impact. The impact is the Jalen Brown. That's like 23. So you're saying 23. But the AR does that, though.

When they're not playing, he did not do that? He averaged more. Did he not? When Luca wasn't playing, it was just. They are? He had a game under 30 when they're not on the court. Every game without them, he's 30 or more. We're talking about winning a championship.

And I... No, we wasn't talking about... We're talking about options. We ain't talking about championships. We're talking about money and options right now. And that's what I... See, that's the problem. You don't remember what y'all said before.

And I said, to win a championship as the Lakers, you can't pay Austin Reeves second option money. Because it handicapsed franchise. That's why it was easier to hurry up and trade him to get a second option player, like whatever his name is. Because then, because you got to remember, you pay him with Austin Reeves. You can switch that money. Then LeBron's $50 million table.

Now you got $30, $40, $50 million to go get whoever you want. So you can switch Austin Reeves, get a Jaron Jackson, and you can still go after a young. But who's going to be the number two options? You would trade AR for Jared Jackson? Okay, let's try this again. If I signed and trade, Austin Rees,

some, let's say Jalen Jackson or Jaron Jackson, right? So I have Luca and Jaron Jackson, right? And then in the summer, because I have so much money because LeBron left, his money come off, I can then go after and sign and make a trade for a Yokic or a Yonis. Now I have a Luca, Yokic and Jaron

Aluka, Janus, and Jaron. You see who, you see, you see, you see who's third? Every single time. Jaron. Who starts then? Luca or whoever, it don't matter at that point.

Luca Yonis, it don't, yeah. It don't matter at that point. Somebody got to be wrong. Remember, if Luke, if, if, if, if you don't get, all right, we talk a hypothetical. You talk a hypothetical. So you don't get Yokchch and you don't get Yonis and who's the money for?

Whatever superstar I can go get. Who is the superstar? Who is the second? Because I... It can be asked. It can be as. All right. Well, forget first options.

Who will be the second option? If you got a second star, who will be a second star? Not first star. Don't say first star play. I want to see a second star you will play. Remember what is LeBron James' money? It's superstar money, right? Well, so that means new.

The rule is the second star, though. I know, but I'm talking about I want to know who's like a second star player. Who is the second star that's going to be deserving of the Autoriae? Who's not a first star player that will make Luca's second star. I'm talking about a second star player. That's going to play next to Luca. Yeah. I can go get Ant Man.

I can go get to him. So here's the first star in Lucas. I'm talking about who's going to be the second star. Are you not, are you not listening? Does Luca make, think about it. You play on the team. You played on a team This happened to

So before you can't Research the context I'm trying to interrupt What I'm saying I'm asking Who is a second star A second officer Not a number one guy

Not a number one guy Not Yokes Who is the number two Diggas with Austin Reed type shit? Yeah Who was that? If you guys

Just shut the fuck up Man You're trying to cover You're trying to cover your ass man You can't think of You can't think on the goddamn Damn fly nigga, God.

Damn, we got to beat. How quiet do we got to fucking meet? Just answer the damn question. You're going to answer if you shut the fuck up. We've been quiet waiting. Like, who is the nigga? When Curry won a championship

and he was the number one option, how the fuck did they get Kevin Durant? The reason they got Kevin Durant is because they had number one option money. So, Luca is like Curry right now. He didn't get the super, super max. LeBron is on a super super max So when LeBron goes

They can go get any fucking body To take over LeBron James's money And have Luca and LeBron James's money As the number one and the number two option They have the flexibility All right Is the number two, nigga It's not the number one, nigga

Who is the number two? You're not answering. You're not answering. You're not answering the question. He don't get it. My second option contract is Luca. But I'm asking you a question. My second option contract right now today is Luca Dantage. So Luca's the second option.

That's your making a star, baby. He's one second option money right now. He signed a three-year-165 extension. But I'm asking a question. He tells him again. Because if you name in one star, I'm trying to. compare AR to a second out. So who is considered a second

option to you? That's what I'm asking. Not the number one niggas you would bring to try to be a second option. Who are the second option niggins that you would compare to Austin Reeves? Yes, who would be a second option? How much are you paying them, sir? All right. We're tap dance.

No, no, no. We're talking. Can you tell them what Luca contract is? Lucas signed a $3 or $165 million extension with the liquor. Five. Austin Reeves don't have a contract right now. They haven't gave him any money. He qualifies for whatever the fuck they feel like they want to give him up to $250.

He can get a five-year-or-241 would be the max he can get. This didn't go well. That's the max, right? That's the max he can get. This is called business. Luca Dantitch is on a second option contract, meaning got him for cheap, meaning they have LeBron's. Supermax contract are available.

You know that. We know all that. We ask you who are you going to go after. Like a Jalen Williams? You pay awesome. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Thank you, Brandon.

Thank you, Brandon. You two out a perfect name. A Jalen Williams. Fuck. Williams. Right? So that means I got to pay him Jalen Williams money, correct?

So what is Jailen Williams making? He's a second option, right? Jaylor's a second option, right? How much is Jaylon Williams, mate? Hold on, me pull it up ago. Mm-hmm. I'm just trying to compare all the eight to second option. He's worked up to 287 if he can get to the only deal.

He's worked up to 287. That's more than the Austin Ream. Five years to-five years. That's a great name to throw out because that's exactly the name we were looking for. Okay. What about how to hear? because they obviously they don't research none of this. So five years, 281?

287. 287, right? Can y'all divide that? I want them two to divide it. Because y'all just do a little math. You're going to divide this and then we're going to ask you what Austin Reeves number is for the four years. Then you're going to divide that. No, so Reeves can do a five or 241.

Bro. You've missed it. You know, what? What? What can Austin Reed's? You can do five years 241 if I'm not mistaken. You can do five years 241. You said Jalen was five years, 280.

287. What we need to divide shit for, we don't need to divide. We got the perfect comparison. We were looking at it. So you have right now, Jaylon Williams got paid after making an All-Star or NBA. Last year, this summer. All right. So is that a tradable?

Are you going to trade those two pieces? Who would you trade? Read for Jamie Williams? What's the point? Is he, is he him? Jalen Williams is, is a guy that they pay for a reason. They think that he's one of the guys. Austin Reeves would have been an all-star this year.

I don't want to talk about what he is right now. Are you paying him? Jalen Williams, that's what you use. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So this summer, you're the Lakers.

You're playing him. Jalen Williams money. Austin Reeves shown to be better than Jailen Williams. this year. He's shown his time on the floor earlier before his injury that he was better than Jalen Williams. As a second option, hell yeah, he showed that. Closing the games the whole nine.

Mm-hmm. So what's the difference? What's the difference with what? Besides all second options who got paid made to all-stern all-N-B-A. Besides that point, obvious? Yeah. He got injured. So that's obvious too.

So which one is the fact? The would have made it or the one he didn't make it? Which one is the obvious? Which one is the action? Obvious is that Austin Reeves is up for 240. That's obvious. And he's a second option guy. He's not a third option guy.

That's obvious, especially comparing him to Jalen Williams. That's obvious. So how much, and this is what I love, I do believe he's a second option. Because you remember, at some point, the fact is going to be the fact. How much do you think he's going to get Mr. he's going to be a second option?

Well, I can't think anything if it's not going to be a factor. He ain't got paid yet. What's the fuck is that? I don't understand. Once he gets paid, then you can say that. You're saying he's a second option, and he's going to get paid like a second option. So give him a number as a second option.

I'm not going to give him a number. I just know that he has a number. You don't have to give him a number. He has a number. He can reach up to 240. He has a match. No, he equate him. qualifies for max.

So whatever they give him, it can be up to that or below that. It don't matter. So he makes $90 million, $100 million. That's not second option money. He's not going to make that. He's going to make. We don't know. Say something.

I don't know. Gil, Gil, Gil. I'm going to say $150 to $175. It depends. I'm going to say $150 to 175. For how many years, Mr. B. $1.50, $1. Yeah, something like that.

I don't think he's staying in that. LA, though. How much he could get if he leave in L.A. though. He's just what it is it? He can do a four years. I'll just get you a number. Because, I mean, because I don't think he's going to get. Only four years, right? 240. Yeah. Unless he leaves is a signing trade. Well, if he's your deal. You can get a five two if he signed and trade, I believe.

Four year one fifth, four year one fifth, he won't 75 somewhere else. Yeah. I'm going to say that. That's, that's what I'm going to get you a number. I'm going to say around 180, 190. 1819. One 8019. For four. I got nothing. Of course.

I appreciate you guys. At least you're standing on your shit. Was it 195? What you said 175? I said 150, 175. I said 150. Four years. Okay, 180.

Oh, you said three years? That's a good amount, though. No. No. Four years? Three years? One, 50? No, no.

Four years. Oh, you can get that. Oh. Four years. Because if you leave, if you leave L.A., get a four-year deal. So I'm saying 150 to 175. You can also do a sign and try to, Mr. B, so he couldn't. Oh, okay. Oh.

So last year, they offered him what? Four-year, what, 90? 80, 89.2. Yeah, four-year-for-90. Four-year-for-90. So they were trying to get him, what? Less than 25, 25? Um, 20, yeah, about 22 plus 22, 5. Around 22, so 22 million, and he's going to jump up to 40, 44 million. showed it.

No, yeah, he showed it, but it's just the end results. So you average 20 last year, and this is what I offered you, you're averaging 20 this year. Most likely the way you're playing, you're going to average. You're going to finish season about 22 to 21. Hold on. Let's see how much Jaylon Williams average

to get his money. Yeah. We can pull it up, but Jaylon Williams was all-MBA and all-defense of selection, just to point that up. Whenever he says whatever, just add that at the end. all NBA and All-Star. So 22,

5 and 5 last season. Do he qualify for any of that, though? No, Reeves is not making... So Jalen Williams made all-defensive, all-N-B-A, and an all-star. Reeves not making any of that. I'm talking about this year. He's not qualified for it.

No, he missed too many games already. He's not eligible. Yeah, that's what I said. So it's going to be a discount anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. What do you need, what you need to look at? You don't got no point now? Okay.

Oh, the point, the point was made. The point was made. Jalen Williams was averaging 17 this year. I just think I'm going to like 22. He was averaging 21, 22 last year. But shout back to your point. Do you put awesome names like the same caliber of player as Jalen Brown? They are, Nick.

Jalen Brown? Yeah, you said Jailen Brown before. Not Jalen Brown. Do you put them in a Jalen Williams caliber of player? Yeah. Jailen Williams. Okay. Jailin Williams for sure.

We were talking about second options. We said Jalen Brown before. You put it on the same level as an all-star, all-deafensive second team, and an all-N-B-A player, which means he's third in his position. That's where you put. All right. All righty. Yes, I do.

Yeah. Yeah. Jaylon wins. So the makers right now will be the third option. Shit. Hey, say it again. What happened? Say it again.

Say it again. Say it again. Say it will be. What? He would be what? Excuse me? Go guard that dick over there, bro. Go ahead and see over here and guard him. How much did, how much did Powell get paid when?

They're not in the same thing? They're not in the same thing? No, no, no, no, no, you're right. You're right. No, no, no, no. Because Powell is an all-star. I know your all-star this year for sure. He left.

He left and made an all-star. That's what it. He was averaging 22 last year. It was averaging 22 last year. What year is this for powder? He's in the last year of a deal. He's making 20.4 this year, then he's a free agent. How old is he I'm saying, though?

21. How old is he? 32. Oh. Big difference. Big difference. Yeah, it was the same big difference between 23-year-old James Harden and 28-year-old Austin Reeves.

You see how big that difference? Baby, keep fighting, baby. You know what they be forgetting? They be forgetting that at the end of the season, one of the motherfuckers is a top 15. The other one is not even a top fucking 30 player. That's what they be forgetting. You know what I mean?

You're not a top 30 players. 15 players get that bag, right? You got to make that team to get that bag, right? And they want to give the bag to the guy that's not there. Man, Austin Reed's got a name, everything. He's a player. Boy, he is. He's going to go somewhere.

They would love that. Lemon and Daddy. There's his nickname. Lem and Daddy got a name. I get what he get. He got a name. He don't got the credentials right now to get that. He got the points.

He got the points. He got the points. For a room. Okay. He got the points. He got the points. You're not qualified for the VIP until you get the wristbands. Stay your ass out there.

Outside the line and regular. You still, Jalen Williams. Hey, man. Hey, keep moving. Hey, Austin Reed, man. Keep hooping, man. Keep doing your thing, man. We ain't going to take nothing away from what you're doing, man.

You've been proving yourself. You've been stepping up to the fucking challenge. So whoever wants to take the money and the opportunity out of your pocket, my nigga, we're going to put that shit back in your pocket. For sure. Because there are they just getting money, that you're better then. For sure. And until you get that risk, man, you stay your ass.

It's not part of the club. Okay. How much Jaylin average, though? How much of the average? 22. You can't get a wristband? Tell Jaylen, you can't do what I do. Uh, he's a lot of my average.

He average is just. 23, 24. 24. Oh, my. Wrisband? Wrisband? That's what the wristband is different. He can't get a wristband, dude?

He can't go to it. He can't, he can't get the wristband. Yeah, he's on Lucan list. He can't get the wristband. You average 18, right? Who? No, him. Yeah.

He's 18, Nick. Yeah, I did. Yeah, now I don't get the problem now. You don't rock get the going up. Why are you always talking in? Why are you guys? Yeah, huh? Huh?

What happening again? Yeah, you can't set the feet. The feet? No, I'm just, that's the feet. It's okay to lose. I just do not fight. Why be fucking fight. Yeah, nigga.

Do the picture behind you. Yeah. Do the picture behind you, Dick. Yeah, I got brown, Brian. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm brown, nah, man. You're trying to turn my nigger into a quick.

I want a nigga, it ain't going. I'm not going. I'm just going with freedom. They try to turn my nigga to a corner, nigga. I'm not rolling. I want you to come through the door. I do.

But I'm saying, you ain't got the band. Portland, going to pay them to max. Are you to Utah? Portland, for sure. For sure. There's no white places. Well, there's someone we get to

find out. Or are he going to be back with the Lakers for $130, $100,40. Hell no, I'm going to do it. He ain't doing it. It's too fucked up. It's too up in the air. You keep fucking my emotions.

One day I'm two, one day on one. Now I'm four and three. Hell no. Who want to go to work like that? I mean? Go to work like that. Hey. They're on all streets.

That's a hard living. That's the corner nigger life. He don't want to go to work like the corner nigger, not knowing when you go get... How many shots you're going to get? Now, you want to be the star where you know a shit. I'm getting this many tonight. Don't do it, Austin.

All right, Joe. Don't do it. You'll be a lead corner for the rest of your life. Up and down seasons. There's basketball and there's business of basketball. Okay? And when the business of basketball gets to speaking, They're speaking right now.

They try. No. Hey, Nick. Hey, Nick, way to show up and talk hoop today, man. I appreciate you.

How much he had his first game back? He dropped 40 his first game back? Yeah. Right? They said, oh, hell no. Nah. I know.

They said, cut, cut. You had to go to commercial or find somebody else. Tap that dick on his shoulder. Hey, remember what we talked about? You're not honoring that shit. Yeah. We talked about this shit over here.

Right? You remember what we said. That nigga came back. First game feeling good after. Hey, that 40 shit got to stop. Mm-hmm. Not on my watch. Not on my watch.

You got 70 shots the next game. Man. So what happens? So you get the, you got the 40. How do you get all the way down to 23? You got the, you got the Chris Paul? You got the Chris Paul. Hey, man, me don't want you giving advice.

Hey, man. We don't want you doing that. Hey, listen, you over here at this table now. You don't get to eat with the breakfast club no more. Okay? And I'm going to pay that man 240 and I don't want you in the breakfast club. Yeah, yeah. Somebody don't pay him.

They could get him so you won't try to get all the rings for cheaper if you could? Cheaper? Milwaukee. Four you're 90. They offered. He said no. And he played his way and they're tapping him on the shoulder right

because we don't want to pay you $250 right? I want to get him for cheaper because I don't want to pay him $2.40. I don't mind paying him $160. For $4 or four or five years $1.60, $1.60, $1.75.

Fuck yeah. Maybe. No, I can't do that. I can't do that average of $24. Yeah. But I... You're not averaging 24 now, though. How much you say?

You? Four year one, 70? You said four, not five, right? Five year, four, five years? Four. Five years? No, no, hell, no. It hurts my franchise.

You remember this? Well, I'm not a Laker then. Second tier. I said, I'm out. I'm out. Okay. Now where are you going to go to get that money? Anywhere.

Yeah. He can not. I mean, I just said it something. I'm sure I can get that 90 before now. You get that 90 for four now. You get that 90 for anywhere now. Where are you going to get money that's going to put anybody in the second apron?

The landscape changed. So where is he going to go to get the money that don't push a team in the second apron that don't have a player that they're going to have to pay coming up in the next one year or two years, that next money? But we just got to worry what they do. Why do you think,

why you think, oh, boy, moved old boy to Utah? Who? Oh, oh. Mr. Jaron, Mr. Jaron, Mr. Jaron. Mysteriously moved to Utah after saying that we're going to trade Austin for Jaron Jackson. I would do that trade.

Let's move him to the team that actually want them. Right. And then we do the sign and trade and it makes sense. Memphis. Come on, Josiah. Don't talk to me like that. Don't talk to me like that.

It makes sense if it makes sense that we can move there and give him the money that he deserve and then move this thing over here. Well, we want him. shit, a lot of shit might not have. My shit, just how you plan it out? Jaron Jackson, move, Austin Reed, and then you got all this money because LeBron leave,

you can bring somebody else in. Cool, that's great, but Austin's going to get his regardless. Where's he going? You said, I heard you say all that, where is it going? Because he didn't get traded for Jerry and Jackson. So all that you said is not reality. That's because you wasn't listening. Yeah, that's what I'm saying?

So what did you say? Everybody else heard the shit. All right. You've been to Lulu. you're trying to fight. You're trying to fight instead. You're delinuble. It's okay.

Dr. Doolittle, he hears all this shit. The birds is over here, the lions and the dogs and the tigers all talking at the same time. But I hear what you're saying, though. One thing I got to hear is you. I traded to Utah for also to get paid max to get switched to Utah. No, two grisies, I believe, was which I was saying. No, I was saying that. Somebody got moved to Utah.

Somebody got moved to Utah. So where Utah wants, the guy they won't, they'll be able to trade from the Lakers to Utah. Yeah, okay. So the deal that was spoke about before the dude went from Memphis to Utah, that's the deal that's still in the works. Still in the works. So trading Austin Reeves for Jaron.

Yeah. And then braun leaves and then you sit, and then they do what you said earlier. They just go get a Janus or somebody. Okay. Sounds about right. It's full circle. We will say if it happens. Now, what was that?

Don't say that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't get up out of here, Nick. Don't do that, Nick. Don't do that, Nick. Don't do that, Nick. I'm running circles.

It's about time, man. I've got some shit to do, man. I've never seen people celebrate a theory that never comes true. How do you celebrate hypothetical? Woo. So, so, because it's a full circle, so that means it only gets to be a circle if the trade happens, right? Which means, that's how full circle. That's how it works.

I would have to sign Austin Reeves to. to do what, to do something for me to have marketing and also reads of the highest paid players in Utah with my sorry-ass team. Coming in with Bob Bamada bio? Not Bamada bio, I'm tricking. AJ the banser? Mm-hmm.

That's a team, boy. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Who's my shooting guard right now? Oh, man, we digging. Hey, Joe, what's up, man? We're digging? We're digging or we digging?

Who are we digging for? Who are you digging for? What time is it? Damn, it's about that time. It's about that time. You give your theory of some bullshit. Just ain't going to happen, but I can't get my dumb-ass theory. It's all good, man.

That's late, bro. That's getting late. I pick the kids. Here, yo. Who is the shooting for that I just. He's fighting for his life. He's fighting for his life right now. You can back up from the screen, bro. Back up. We can hear you back up on the screen, man.

We can hear you. It's my shooting guard that I just drafted there. That's six, seven. That plays like Paul George. So if I get my three. But you forgot? Yeah, you forgot Ace Bailey that they drafted there? We didn't forget nothing. I'm going to pay Austin Reeves. I'm going to pay Austin Reeves. This 200 and something 40 million and played the shooting guard. to then have... You can't lose something that hasn't happened yet. This is why niggas is dumb.

All right, yeah. Why are niggas dumb? Why are niggas dumb? Because they can see some shit that ain't going to happen until the summer, but they think they won right now. But then if it happened, but then if it happened, what we do

is niggas get to disappear because they get to disappear. Because the diggers disappear when it happens. Hey, when it happens. Hey, spin one time, Rashad. Spin on the theater. When it happened, we're going to do the full circle. Ah, Jake Lane.

He didn't spend in a block. When it happened, we're going to be spinning. Well, all that no, gentlemen. You see that? When it happens, you can spend. So why are you spinning now? You're going to get done. Obviously, it hasn't happened yet.

It hasn't. Well, all that no, gentlemen. It's always. I think in wishing could. And I would. He's spinning and he's spinning the block. Yeah, just keep spinning a circuit because you ain't going to work.

On that note. Hey, Josiah, remember I put in the chat? Remember I put it in chat that a bad bunny had the most views? I don't know. You may not have seen it.

You know, he didn't chat. He ain't in the chat anymore. He don't participate in the chat games no more. So he wouldn't have seen it. But yeah, all the shit do come full circle after it, like after. Like, after.

And then we got to wait for the results. Then the results come. Then we say, well, I'm not going to front. Hey, why am I back in the chat? That chat boring. That's not boring. That shit used to be active. Hey, man, step out.

Step out. Step out the chat, man. Oh, virtual. You know, y'all can go to other chats. You don't want to be in your group. It's okay for it. Y'all are right. You guys.

I'm saying, shit. I was together. We're not fighting. We on the same team. I was cooking. I was cooking. I was cooking. I was cooking.

I was cooking out of the chat. Stay together, Joe. Don't run out to chat, man. Ain't nothing in that chat. It's quiet now. Don't run. It ain't nothing to talk about no more. Hey, it's just me.

We can't get no answers. I don't even know what we're going to the chat. Just me. It's just me. It was a dog in the rain. It was a dog in the rain. That's what I said. Thank you.

Shut it down. Let's go. On that note, appreciate everybody in the chat. Appreciate everybody here. Hopefully, the group chat gets back to where it needs to be. But this has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by underdog. Whoa, whoa! We will see y'all tomorrow.