Girl on Guy with Aisha Tyler - girl on guy 185: emily bett rickards

Episode Date: May 20, 2015

join emily bett rickards from arrow and aisha as they discuss intellect, independence, self-knowledge, recklessness, bravery, liberty, terror, tattoos, and saving the world. plus emily dazzles herself into a job, and girl on guy is indeed dazzled. girl on guy will not fail this city.

This episode of Girl on Guy is brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is the easiest way to create a beautiful website, blog, or online store for you and your ideas. It features an elegant interface, beautiful templates, and incredible 24-7 customer support. Try Squarespace at Squarespace.com and enter OfferCode Girl at checkout to get 10% off. Squarespace, build it beautiful. This is Girl on Guy. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Girl on Guy, 185. Welcome to the show. So many lovely things going on in Girl on Guyland. No live stand-up, although I did have a really fun show this past weekend at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, Bamfest. It was Bullseye Comedy Night, Bullsye being the lovely, lovely Jesse Thorn's podcast and universe. And he couldn't be there because he had had a blast fitted surgery, but the brilliant John Hodgman hosted the night. And it was me and Maria Bam.

and a partner in Nchrilla and Ali Wong and it was super, super fun. So like I've said in the past, not many stand updates this year, but you can't see me live this summer in July at Comic-Con when we always do our annual fan appreciation event that will be happening and you will be able to win free tickets to that coming up at the end of June, early July. So stay focused on that because it requires a bit of effort on your part. But then you come and I give you lots of gifts and we take pictures and it's a big, fat fun days. That is coming up. I'll also be speaking the first weekend of August at the podcast

movement conference in Fort Worth, Texas. And there's a link to get tickets to that at aisha tallow.com. Click Iish on tour if you'd like to come see me there. There'll be lots of other people speaking on behalf of the podcast world. If you're curious about podcasts, that'll be a fun thing to go do. Not a lot of other opportunities to see me live this year to working hard on Curgeonstone, which is going excellent. You can follow me at Curgeon's Stone at all the social platforms to see cocktail porn and details on my adventures, lots of exciting things happening, and more to come. We were hoping to launch this summer due to my dedication to excellence. It will be more like the fall of 2015, but it is coming and it is going to be awesome. So you can learn more by visiting any of the

different social platforms, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and the handles courage and stone, one word on all if you like to follow the development and birth of courage and stone craft cocktails at home. So check that out. And you can also see what I've been drinking lately, which is a lot. R&D is very fun, especially when it's cocktail related. All right, this episode is brought to you in part by Squarespace. I have told this story many times, but it's always salient. I built my first website for Girl and Guy myself using the native software that used to come when you bought a Macintosh computer. It was difficult. It was time-consuming. The website was not very good, and I sprained my eyeball. So all of that and injurious too. Even if you do know how to code things,

Making something that looks good and works well just takes forever and it's painful. And whether you want to create a business site, a portfolio, a personal site about art, whatever, you need a website. Luckily, Squarespace makes it very easy to build beautiful websites without much effort. They provide a simple, powerful, and beautiful website template, lots of different templates for you to choose from. And they are a part of their responsive design system, which means that your website scale to look good on any device. In my iPad mini, a phone, a giant desktop computer, no matter what people are looking at your website, on, it's going to look great. And you don't have to worry about how they set it up so that it will

scale automatically. Every website you build also comes at the free online stores. Did you need one? And if you just need something minimalistic, beautiful and powerful, you can do this cover page thing, which allows you to set up a beautiful one-page online presence in just minutes. You cannot beat the ease and simplicity of Squarespace. They give you 24-7 online support and a beautiful website for a measly, a paltry $8 a month. And you can even get a free domain name if you buy Squarespace for an entire year. So there is no reason to wait. If you've been wanting to build a website for a while, you should just get into it right now. There's no time like the present, my friend. You can start a trial with no credit card required. Start building your website right away today, this very

moment. And when you decide to sign up for Squarespace, make sure to use the offer code, girl, that will get you 10% off your first purchase and show your support for Girl and Guy. I thank Squarespace for their supportive girl and guy. And when you use that code, when you sign up, you're letting them know that their support of Girl and Guy is meaningful. So check it out. Go to Squarespace.com. To sign up for Squarespace, I use the offer code girl to get 10% off your first purchase. Squarespace, build it beautiful.

All right, this episode of Girl on Guy is with the lovely Emily Bet Rickards, who you may know as Felicity Smoke on the hit C8W show, Aero. You know, we had Stephen Amel on this show last fall. He is Girl on Guy episode number 153. You can go back and listen to that episode if you'd like as a companion to this one if you haven't heard it already. But she is a delightful person who I met this summer when I was the moderator for the Paleyfest Arrow and the Flash panels. So much fun to meet all those guys. So great.

And she and I just hit it off right away. She is sweet and lovely. And I'll tell you a little story about her that you'll hear expounded upon more in this conversation. But her character was originally just a total tertiary character. Felicity Smoke in the comic books, I think originally, was not a top-level character. And because she was such a delight in the role, she is now, you know, essentially Aero's sidekick and a major component of the show. So, well, he has lots of sidekicks, but she's the biggest one, in my opinion, anyway.

Feel free to send me a tweet furiously refuting that statement. But she's a critical character on the show, and a delightful actress and a delightful person, and she's coming at you right now. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Girl on Guy 185 with Emily Bellow. Rickards coming at you straight out of the girl on Guy Lair and right into your face you just get so hungry I've had it no I just like been in a comedy club and have like like like my teeth like tap a mic and think like oh my god I'm getting a hepatitis C or I just chip my tooth which yeah yeah yeah but I don't care about a chip tooth you can't repair hepatitis C can

can you I think it's permanent I saw a bus stop yesterday that said hep C in C C in C C and then is curable in C C C and the only reason I saw it is because they did this like weird C thing and I was like that's clever. but is it? Is it, is it though? Maybe it is. People out there can text or tweet. It was, is.

Yeah. But I always get spam that's like, cure your herpes. I'm like, oh, wishful thinking. God bless everybody who opens that and goes, oh, God, please let this be real. And then they just get like, you know, a worm that destroys their computer. Another virus in a technological form. Now your computer has herpes. And what are you going to do?

What are you going to do? Computer herpes is definitely not curable. And it's contagious. This is Emily Betrickords. Hello. Did I say her name right? Emily Bet Ricard. It's Ricard's.

Ricard's, but a lot of people just stop at Bet, and that's okay with me. Is Bet a middle name or a second last name? All right, so, I'm telling you this. I was called Emily in preschool as like a one-name thing because there was another Emily, and apparently she got title of the name, which was totally cool because we ended up becoming Best friends? Best friends, which was terrifying for all the adults. So I was known as Emily Bet, and then all of a sudden I was like, I don't want this anymore,

and I was like a toddler, and it just threw the name on the ground. And then, yeah, so I guess it was middle name, but the first name. And then acting started happening and I was like, I want that back. Yeah. Because it's still mine. Yeah. And so I sort of like had to dig it out of the ground. It's a special name.

Oh, thank you. You do. It's for cards like an anglicized French last name. It's Welsh, although we are not blood Welsh. There was a remarriage. So the name would have been Mansbridge, which would have been British. Yeah, very British. I wouldn't have had to guess on that.

That would have been British 100%. Monsbridge. Yes. Very, very. very flicked cream and release the hounds. Your eyes at daybreak. And you're Canadian. I do know that. I am. I did know that. I know two things about you. I was like, what can I bring you that's Canadian? And she's had maple syrup, right?

I have. Good for you. I love the nation of Canada, despite the fact that I occasionally mock it on the show and elsewhere. Canada is there for mockery and also so that we just, we feel good. You know when your friends mock you? because they love you. They know you. Yeah, they know you and they love you. And yeah, but stay away from us. We don't want anybody coming in there. No, no. The Canadians don't want, but that's interesting because by the way, Canada, there's plenty of space for everybody.

Can I just point that out? It's true. All of you are clustered up against the edge, like ants like, you know, on the dying ship on like a sinking ship. But there's so much Canada to go around. Canada, you are a sinking ship. So much Canada. No, you're like, you're running ground. You're a ship that's running around.

You're not going anywhere. You're not going down. Yeah, but, you know, maybe you're rusting out a little bit. But I'm just saying, like, there's plenty of Canada. There is plenty of Canada. There's even plenty of Canada in the parts that are full of people. And we're friendly within buildings. I feel like we're not friendly on the street.

I feel like that's a thing people don't like. So when I was in Toronto, I found Canadians to be generally very friendly. And I also remember, like, walking through the projects and feeling utterly safe. I would not walk through like a Beverly Hills development. I feel safe. But I was like, oh, here I am in the project. You'll be attacked by a Chihuahua. Yeah, or just some woman's fake boobs.

But I felt like I loved it. It's like clean. Everybody recycles. Very organized. I mean, I don't know Toronto. You're really talking to a Canadian who hasn't actually touched Toronto. Never been in Toronto. No, my family's from my parents, my grandparents.

My grandparents weren't from there, but from Montreal. So we would go back to Montreal every year. And I would just, I thought it was the best place on Earth because we'd go in like the sun. Yeah. But we never touched Toronto. We would go to Ottawa. Montreal's pretty great. Montreal is, um,

I think, see, and maybe this is like American hubris or lack of understanding. Canadian culture is complex, very complex, very diverse there. But I also think just because we're such a shit show, whenever I go to Canada, I'm like, it's so clean. It's a nice. It's all safe. Everything's just put together. Right. Everyone's all organized.

Like a friendly. And I remember going to Montreal for like the Comedy Fest, which is like in maybe like July or something and it's like hot. Everybody's walking around the middle of the night and like, you know, midnight women are walking alone down an alleyway. Like, stop. They're like, there's nothing down here but. There's a guy about to jump out with an ice cream cone. Very French ice cream cone. Glitter starts pouring from our garbage cans.

Glass. He has a nice glass he's going to give me. But when you, so where did you grow up? In Montreal. In Vancouver. But your family's from Montreal. Right, we would spend summers in Montreal. I grew up in Vancouver though.

I still live there. Mm-hmm. The show Arrow films there. It is beautiful. It's really green. We're surrounded by mountains and trees. And we grew up like skiing and snowboarding. Did you? Or you like an outdoorsy person?

Yeah. I mean, like, yes, my family. I'm going to be trepidacious on that. I haven't snowboarded in three years, but I do hike. We have to actually go snowboarding now that I know that you're a snowboarder. So that's just, we're just putting a pin on that for later. But yeah, let's be all. We're actually physically, you guys putting an imaginary pin into snowboarding.

Everywhere. You just went to this table. We flung them up. But yeah. So when you grew up, but you're also like, You can see, like, other than somebody who lives in, like, I don't know, like Tahoe or Vermont, there's no place in the world where, like, snowboarding and skiing is, like, more vividly represented visually.

It's just there. Yeah, like, Whistler is, like, looming above you, like, an angry, snowy giant. Every single day. Except this year, you can't see snow on the mountains. There was no snow. Oh, no. So global warming. Yeah, global warming.

You know, they say, if you don't believe in global warming, you clearly don't believe in love. Or, like, angels or, yeah, being alive. Angels are alive. Yeah. And they're warming with the planet. What a bunch of dicks. But yeah, I mean, the whistle is right there. Oh, you're so sweet. It's so hot. It is. It's all your fucking fault. What a cunt. So when you grew up, you said you were an outdoorsy, you were like an outdoor kid. Is that like, is that like culturally how Vancouver is? I mean, I think so. We sort of just grew up in, you know, you would just be outside. We always had like outdoor ed in schools and they would take his kayaking. A lot of people would hate it and biking. I remember like faking a muscle spasm in my calf when I was like, 12 so I didn't have to bike. And I feel like I could talk.

I was always able to like talk my way out of anything so I didn't have to do that. It was just more of like oh, it hurts. Just wanted to underline it. Just in case, you guys. I wanted to sit there and, you know, sit underneath the blue tarp. Yeah. We were sleeping under and pretend that I was about to throw this football. I don't know.

I just wanted to sit and read and talk to know. Did you go camping and stuff? Did your school take you camping? Yeah. Our school would take his camping. Is it public school or private school? This was a private school. Yeah.

I was in private school until 10th. grade. And then I ran so quickly. Did you? Oh. It was very strange. Oh, like purposefully you were done with public school? Yeah, I did. I mean, my parents didn't want me to leave. They were scared of sort of like this public school. Yes. Since my brother and I had been in the school for so long, you know, there was a support community. There was, you know, the continual thing I was told was like, but you have all these opportunities. Right. But my opportunities aren't shortened if I'm not taking the opportunity. Right, right, right. I don't want those opportunities, yeah. And we didn't have a big drama program. Like there weren't things that I felt passionate about.

Right. And all of my friends were at the other school. For whatever reason, I hung up with the bad kids. You were a rebel. I see it. I see you. You're so rebel. There's some rebel qualities just blow it off of you.

I see it. I see it. So yeah, I sort of, yeah, we got out of that. And then always sports. They were just always sports. And they were all outdoors because it just rains. You play in the rain. Right.

No snow in anger. It's so interesting though. You know, because when I was in the 10th grade, I know I can remember like how I saw myself and I know that I was very clear that I had like a really strong sense of myself but then like looking back I'm like how the fuck that I know what I was going to do like great you know what the one I was an idiot yeah but it's interesting they were like very clear like I need something different in my life other than the fact that you wanted to go school with your friends was it because you wanted to act I just didn't want to be in the school I was in anymore I had done it for so long it was so small and these I mean I say I should say friends because I have a very different definition of sort of friendship now as you do when you're in high school. Right, right. You know, there's, like, you know, there's bunches of people. Right.

Like people you connect maybe soulfully as an adult or whatever. Yeah. But I, it's not that I didn't have friends at private school. I was just kind of like a coaster. Like, I kind of did well in like all areas. I just didn't really want to be there. Right. It was easy to a fact of, you know, I could skip a lot of classes and then, like, give

a note and just be like, sorry. Right. Because I just didn't want to be there. Right. Right. that sort of thing. And then I went to public school. That was not okay. Nope.

No. And you think that there's something about public school that's going to be really electric and different. Because I went to public, like I kind of like went to private till eighth grade, public school for a little bit, then back to private, then back to public. And I remember I thought that, and there was some urgency to public school life. It was just different. You interacted with different kinds of kids and I was really grateful for that. But just, I got in so much more trouble in public school. Oh, yeah, me too. You know what I mean? I was so frustrated and I felt like people didn't take, you know, like no one took it seriously.

And I got, I remember I screamed that. Well, I don't know what I said. Screaming sounds a little high pitched. I mean, but you know what I mean? Like I yelled at a teacher because I was like, you know, you're teaching out of the, out of the manual. You don't even know the material like you don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? You're not inspiring me and I am right because I read it.

Yeah, yeah. I know the material better than you do. And I've researched more and you don't care. This is wrong. Right, right. I do understand that. I think that happens a lot. I think the education system does.

I mean, I don't know. I guess I don't know what it's like because you're not in it now. Right. Which is hard because there are, you know, the movements of sort of getting more creative aspects in the education system. Yeah. Sex ed would be a better one. Right.

Oh, yeah. Like, when I was in school, that, I learned nothing. Oh, no, no, no. I can't. No. No. No, no. I can't even remember us talking.

I took a psychology class in high school, like, with like, we had like a hippie, like a pot-smoking hippie teacher. That guy, right? And he was like Mr. B. And Mr. B, we talked about sexuality in Mr. B's class. But like he wasn't supposed to. Yeah, B, like B. Like B, like actual B, yeah.

Or maybe he, maybe it was B and we didn't know he had a record. But that's so symbolic. Right, right? But he was literally like, I think supposed to talk about psychology. We got sexuality just as like a bonus. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That's thoughtful. It was because he was, I think he had to. one of my classmates, so he was a little too forward thinking. That's so gross. That's allegedly. I don't know. That's just alleged. It's like Amy Poehler and mean girls when she's like, I'm like a cool mom.

He was like, I'm like the cool teacher. He was. He was like the cool teacher. And by the way, that's an allegation unproved. So I just going to leave it the fact. I want to put it on the record that I was unproven, but we will still write the story about your life as now an adult. Did you want to be an actor like when you were a kid?

Really? But I was. saying this to my friend Jared last night. We were doing the 37 questions that you do and you're supposed to like, oh yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God, my heart. And he's a good friend of mine.

So it wasn't, it was just like, we're both just like crying at the dinner table. I don't even, somebody had heard that before, but I actually don't know what the questions are. But tell me about the conversation. Well, one of them was, um, when, when you were younger, did you want to be famous and why? And as a child in social media, that wasn't around. Like, when I was three, which was 20 years ago, like that was, you know, like, that wasn't around. Being on TV meant for me watching Mary Kay and Ashley, you get to have sleepovers all the time time time time and you get cute pajamas and there's musicals and dancing. And you

get to go to Gramma's house and there's two of you because that would happen if you know, whatever. You'd get a magical twin. Yeah. You could buy a magical twin. That's a secret. That's why you're so hearty. Figurist. She's like in here somewhere. So yeah, that was one of the questions. And it was just sort of like, I knew I wanted to act. because I would go, I would just, oh, my mom, she said that I drove her crazy because I would just go and repeat everything that I would like see. Like I loved movies. I loved television. Sailor Moon specifically. It was like, I remember being passionate, like beyond passionate.

Hilarious. By the way, when you look at it now, you're like, why did I? Are you kidding? I look at it now. Oh, God bless you. I'm like, what a beautiful show. I love it. I love it. I mean, then I would go to kindergarten and make everyone acted out with me. Hilarious. You're like a tyrant. I was a sailor tyrant. All I wanted to do. And there's so many sailor characters.

Someone walked by the other day and I was like, are you Sailor Moon? And I was like, that's not Sailor Moon, that's Sailor Mars or something. I was like, I don't even know. I can't. I didn't even know there was a Sailor Marse. Oh, tell me more. Yeah. No, there was this other blonde bitch in my kindergarten who was named Dana Lloyd.

I'm sure she's not a bitch. But she always was Sailor Moon because she had long blonde hair. Right. Outrageous. So I remember that. Outrageous. But she was a friend of mine, so we'd like go and hang out. I'd be like, you're scared of me.

What was Sailor Moon's best friend's name, though? Well, I don't know. There's Sailor Venus, Sailor Mercury. So they were all the planets, Sailor Mars. Okay, and Sailor was a boy. Oh, was there Sailor Mars? Oh, I'm talking about it like, I love the show, and I'm just like, I... No, I don't even know.

I just, there's just some video I saw of a guy dressed as Sailor Moon doing, like, fire spinning on YouTube, and he was Sailor Mars. He was pretty great. I'm pretty sure he was also gay, which made him just more fabulous. Absolutely. He was, like, extreme, like, pretty much, like, the best Sailor Mars that could have. ever be. Sailor soldier? Yes. He was just like kicking ass to Sailor Mars. Just like the fiercest Sailor Mars. Wherever you are, I want to be your best. Sailor Mars. Write us a letter.

So yeah, I did know. I mean, I was thinking my favorite term was, I read it somewhere. And my mom would be like, well, where did you hear that? I'd be like, I read it somewhere. Like just like, just whatever. I've never read anything. Well, I did. I would read. I would read. The two things I would read because I was like, I wanted to be, I think I've said this before. I I wanted to be like an actor, a pirate, a veterinarian, a spy, or an astronaut. And then all of a sudden I wanted to be a marine biologist, and this was like huge. And there was a book on seals in our, in our playroom I put in quotations. Because it was just like the last room in the house I had like no windows.

Yeah, yeah. Go in there and leave me alone. And I would be writing down all this information about seals. I know nothing about seals. I just remember writing everything down just being like, this is going to help me when I'm, you know, at SeaWorld. Because I thought it was like this beautiful place. And then little did I find out. Oh, I know.

Oh. It's devastating. That broke everybody's heart. That and then my dad was a doctor's straight at all of these doctor books and those are just like sitting there going, okay, this is gross. And he'd bring home his little surgical videos. Mm-hmm. Oh, they traumatized.

I was so into pathology books when I was a kid. I just wanted to look like tumors and homunculi and goiters and stuff. I want to look at your inside. Weird growth. Yeah. And you were like you couldn't not look at you. It was like that kind of thing where like you didn't want to look at it, but you couldn't not look at it.

Oh, I was so into it. And then you were sort of reading these words and you're like, I need to understand what that is. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was no internet back then. So if he needed a cross-reference something, that means actually going back and getting a different book. Well, for me, that's why I thought my dad knew everything. Because like all of these words that he had studied. Like, I didn't ask him anything on, you know, I don't know,

I don't think he would know that. It probably does that. But the medical stuff, right? The medical stuff he had dialed. I was like, Daddy, you know everything. And he still rubs that in my face. He hasn't a long time. But what did your mom do? My mom's psychologist. Oh, wow. Two doctors. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dad's a surgeon. different type. Orthopedics, very sort of, very, like, I do get my OCD from him, like, here what it is. But I definitely have the sort of, sort of like ADD tendencies of, like the air, so I never get too focused on one thing. Right.

So very different. I mean, we have, like, a very type A and a very sort of, like, creative. But my father's creative, too. He writes novels and, like, win his three times, stuff like that. How interesting. They're very interesting parents. Was there pressure? on you to go into like some field of medicine or um yes but not due to you know that's exactly what

they wanted me to do but i think that that's the tradition of how my father had grown up in a way he went to medical school you know it's a great profession he you know you loved his job and he worked crazy hours but that was never something that you know really ever crossed his mind he was like it's a smart job this is good for you you're smart why don't you do this and i was like no um They thought I'd be a veterinarian for a while because they had animals so much. Seals. Seals. It could be a seal veterinarian.

Seal vet. I'm here for the pops. Emily Bet, seal vet. Just like holding a whole bunch of seals, like a big smile. I would be so happy. It would be. It would be.

But my mom, I don't know what my mom ever sort of suggested. I knew that, you know, when I would say actor, I was put into musical theater as a kid, but sort of film and television was never welcome. It was all get out of, you know, get out of like your education. Right.

Sort of thing. I did drama and it was just very small in my community to a certain extent. Were you in Vancouver proper? No, I was closer to the border. So it's called like, I wasn't in White Rock, but that is sort of the known area. But it was sort of more on Crescent Beach, like South Surrey area. Represent. On the water there?

So on. It's like very, it is surrounded by, like our little town was surrounded by water. So it's very beautiful. You look over, you can see sort of Bellingham. Yeah. From where, you know, one of the beaches. Which is kind of like the northernmost city in the United States. And then you can see Point Roberts, which is if you're coming, if you're American and you go through, you cross the border, then you cross another border and you go into Point Roberts, which is like 45 minutes from Vancouver, but it's an American.

Right, right. So you can see that as well. It's beautiful up there. I was just, I went last summer. Is this what year is? Last summer. to look at whales, you know, and just, I've never seen so many whales in my entire life. Where were you last year when there were whales?

In the San Juan Islands. Yeah. San Juan? Yeah, those are the San Juan Islands. Like, way up there and we were on an island called Lumme Island. But then we just drove like an hour north into the sound and just saw like so many orcas. Like it was bananas. Yeah, it's so gorgeous.

We used to wash them from our house with a telescope. Yeah. I think that's why I wanted to be a pirate because I'd be like there with my telescope. Yes. Yes. That's a logical leap. Did they? Yeah, it was very strange.

They stopped coming for a couple years and then they'd come back. How interesting. Yeah, very strange. What it would be like to be a whale? It would be a mystery. Probably the whales are like, I would love it if these things would stop chasing me around with their moaters. I know. Just so.

And every once in a while you'll see like a whale sound really aggressively near a boat. You know, they're just like, they just want to flick the shit out of these things. Like, get out of here. Fuck this boat. Exactly. Just whack it with the tail. Like, leave me alone. So you want. So I, I, I, I.

I'm just so curious about the moment where you went to your parents and said, like, I don't want to go to the school anymore and I want to go to the public school. Was that like a battle or did they just release? Oh, God, no. So I was sort of in this thing where when middle school happened, it was sort of like, well, wait until you get into high school to try acting. Like, you know, film and television sort of idea. Because there was one girl in my school that was doing it. I was like, okay. So I got into eighth grade and I wanted to leave then.

I wanted to leave because there's a transfer between like there's a basketball court in between. And you're sort of like in a high school setting or a sort of elementary to middle school. Right. And then I sort of finished eight grade and I was like, I still don't like and they're like, give one more year. So I went to the, and the school wanted me to stay. So they're like, well, we'll give you an exchange. Why don't we give you an exchange and you can go to Spain? I was like, well, okay.

Oh, that's pretty rad. Sounds pretty good. But three weeks in comparison to a year. And it was great. I had a really great experience. I'll never trade that for anything. Yeah. But still, you know, come back.

Wasn't allowed. And then grade 10 happened. And my closest friend, who I'm still friends was my only friend from high school. So she left halfway through the year. And she's like, I'm sorry. I can't do this anymore. She's like one of those girls that, she's so funny.

She went into science, and then she played three different types of sports on the university team and, like, you know, had great grades and parties all the time, like a crazy person. Makes the rest of us feel so inadequate. And then she's like so dorky. She's like, oh, I'm so drunk. Anyway.

And you're like, what? And so by the end of the school year, I was like, I am not coming back. This is not something I'm doing. And everyone thought I was going to go back. And I just didn't really show up. I was not going to go. Right.

And my other friend at the time was sort of having an issue with her parents as well because they had had her and her brother in the school. And it was very rude to leave. Like it was, you know, so like rich people, you know, feeling bad about giving all their kids money but then not being there and then feeling bad about having money and then competing about who's, and my parents are just not like that. Yeah. And I just always felt like it was very weird to be in that scenario and then come like, why?

Why? Yeah. Um, and so I just kind of didn't show up. And then once they sort of saw that I was doing well, that it was okay. Right. Everything was fine. And the drive to school was only like five minutes instead of 30. Right.

Everyone was really happy. Right. My brother had also graduated by that point. So he finished the private school and I was like, I'm done. Right. Right. Yeah, there was like no connection to it. And your friend had gone as well.

Yeah, she had gone. And I still got to see her every weekend because she lived in Tuasson, which was closer to Point Robbers, which was 45 minutes away from us. Mm-hmm. And the school was kind of in the middle. And yeah, and I was able to sort of play more in musical theater at the school. I, you know, I graduated early because I didn't really want to be there. So I got to take some courses earlier. And, yeah, just kind of got out of there.

You seemed like you were a really, like you knew yourself and like you were a relatively headstrong teenager. So did you have a plan, especially if you were graduating early. Did you know what you were going to do immediately after graduation? There was a boy. There's always a boy, ladies and gentlemen. my theorem is proved again and again on this show. There was always a boy. But I was in a sort of a choir,

in a like a vocal choir and then sort of a musical theater thing outside of school as well. And he was older and he was in this as well. And he started going to this school called Vancouver Film School and I just graduated early and I was like, well, I'm going to take the four month of course. And that's what I'm going to do. Mom, please help me.

Yeah. Dad, please help me. And they were not game, you know. But I'm going to go anyway. Right. You're sort of like, she's kind of done everything we asked. Right, right. And you graduated early.

I graduated. You know, I would have had all this time. Right. And I sort of went and I finished. And then I finished before everyone else was still at a high school. And I kind of moved back home for like three weeks. And I was like, I can't remember where I was going on. I was like, yeah, I kind of did it.

And I went to an open call audition and was given an agent's number. And I remember her, I remember the casting. director from her name is Maureen Webb she's in Vancouver still she was like do you know this isn't something I do please take this in you know do with what you will and that's kind of how that started and it was like left I left my brother's birthday dinner I was like mom I have to go to this open call edition I was like I'm 17 I was like I got to do this I just I just like I don't know what to do with you right and my mom and my parents and I weren't close because I had I had a very like this sort of all this turmoil and like

weird sort of headstrong teenager versus parents who just want the best for her who doesn't really want, you know, what they have designed. Right. Although, like, very creative family and, like, very open and loving. It was just, this isn't how it's going to work. What if you fail? Right. And I was like, I'm not going to. And even if I do, it'll hurt really bad. Right, right. But then I'll live through it. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe I won't want to. And maybe you're right, but still, I got to try. And so we, like, my mom and I are very close now, but we were not friends when I was 13 to 17.

Really? Very much of a party girl. As much as I got all my work done, it was just, you know, all this stuff. So when I had moved home and sort of gotten this, you know, from being away for a few months, I was sort of like, okay, well, I had the taste of it. And we're sort of like talking more and we're testing each other.

I was more testing her. Yeah. And I've apologized. Sorry, Mom. A thousand times about being sort of too... I don't want to say, not malicious, but like teeth. I'm like doing teeth with my hand. Right. Just being like like almost like what do I need to do kind of idea. Mm-hmm. I mean there's a big there's a big part of that time of your life right,

where you are just trying to separate and kind of figure out who you are. And identity crisis. Yeah, exactly. And kind of define yourself as like a separate individual from your parents and your family. And I and I think a lot of times if it's a girl, it'll be her mama if her mom is there. Because I had this with my dad, with my dad raised me. But then I have a friend who's, he had a son and he was really going through it with his son. And I'm like, this is just, this is just what happens. This is the demon inside your child. This is it. This happens everybody. It's like, because a part of it is like, no matter what you do, they're going to choose a different way just because they're at the time in their life where they've got to, like,

be contrary and like, be like, regardless of how correct you are, like, I've got to go my own way, I've got to go my own way. And it can be really painful because then you look back. like why was that such a day? But you needed to taste it. You needed to have that flavor. You need to know what that was about. Right. Had I brought my uncle and my mom to sit behind video village when we were filming to watch sort of us filming.

And then I guess the director, Michael Schultz, leaned back to my mom's like, she's such a lovely. And my uncle just underneath his breath was like, yeah, we weren't sure if that was ever going to happen. And my mom apparently hit him and was like, what? And I was like, oh. Was there an episode that you feel comfortable sharing that was like, the most extreme expression of the way that you clash with your mom? I was just so relentless in the fact I didn't want to do anything, she said, even if it was a good thing.

Like I was always leaving the house, you know, just wouldn't listen, just nothing. Just nothing. And then, you know, alcohol happens when you're a teenager. Right, right. It does. It happens even, I think, more for country kids. I think people who take their kids to the country or just multiple. town's thing. I'm getting out of the city.

I'm going to need drugs. Yeah. I mean, God, the biggest partiers are the kids in the country, right? It's just like there's nothing to fucking do. And you just to like park your truck in the woods and get wasted. Yeah. Like that's what you do. I mean, we used to get drunk in a park. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was an activity. Oh, so much fun. Oh, my God.

We're going to go get a case of beer and then sit in the woods. I saw a really great park on the way here. Hand a liquor store. I hate the market for later. I was like, there it is. Totally. And it was the same park that all these kids that grew up around the park would play, you know, in the fair when we were, like, picnics and stuff when you were children.

Yeah. I was thinking about that the other day and I was like, how ironic. Right? But what's so interesting now is like, not that you're that activity driven as an adult, I think that there's a, they're period in a way of where you're like, we have need stuff to do. But I definitely remember it from like 14 to 18, like that there was, it had to be no more complex than let's go get booze and then sit somewhere and drink it. Exactly.

You know, yeah. I'm just like, you didn't have to do anything. Yeah, yeah, and just sit around until it was gone. We had, I mean, we had like this park that was three levels. And I talked about it like it was like the greatest thing in the world because you would go with your friends and you would wear your running shoes. And then they would like a couple hours into the party of like kids from four different high schools. Just just conglomerant of children, like that you can call them children teenagers just being teenagers around teenagers. And then I remember a few times there were swap dogs.

there were helicopters, there were golf carts, there were police everywhere. But this was the game. This was cops and robbers for teenagers. That's why you'd wear your running shoes. You would wear your running shoes. I vividly remember dropping my purse in front of a car and snatching it up and being like,

okay, that wasn't a game. It was funny. And I just remember being like, I don't know. But that's why my mom was so worried. Like she had conscious. Yeah, she was seeing it clearly. And also when you're a teenager, you're utterly convinced that you're going to

Yeah, you're in a middle of you can never happen to you. And you, yeah. And you just, and it does feel like a game. Although it feels like a game to when you're a kid. How far can you push it. Yeah, exactly. And do I want to? Yes, I do.

Right. Do I want it? Yes, I do. So then you move home after you finished film school and. Yeah, I think I moved home. I think I moved home a couple months later and then a couple months after that I moved back out again. Mm-hmm. And I was sort of, I moved out at like 17.

Mm-hmm. And I lived in a couple really shitty apartments. like flies while you're sleeping in your face because your bed's so close to the kitchen kind of like. Oh God. And you're sharing like the kitchen with somebody else. Yeah. Some random. Yeah. My mom, my mom, she references one apartment quite clearly. She's like, I never wanted to go there. She was like, I just wouldn't. She's like I wouldn't go in. I was like, I know. I'm aware. I remember. And that was the point. Keep you out. But no, I did a great time. Vancouver's so small. It takes 45 minutes to walk across,

like downtown four. Yeah. Yeah. So I did live in the, the movie theater building at one point. That's still there. It's huge. And I lived, yeah, I lived all over that city. Did it feel at that time, you know, you've moved out of the house and you've wanted to be an actor and then you finish this program that like, I always wonder. And when we all look back at those times, like, was it exciting to you? Did you feel like you were doing exactly what you wanted to do?

I think the constant mantra and believing it, because I think you can have mantras and not believe them as well. of being like, this is what I wanted the whole time. Yeah. And just being happy about that. I started to, I mean, I was offered to take the year program and I didn't want to do it because I didn't want to be in sort of like a school setting. I was just like, this doesn't work for me right now. But I ended up meeting my coach. He taught us our first class there ever, Andrew McRoy.

And I studied with him, and I will still go and study with him to the day for years. Mm-hmm. Years. Yeah. Yeah, and you never know, like, who you're going to meet that's kind of, kind of, like, change your life in that way. Oh, he changed my life. You changed my life. And then were you, so were you just auditioning and living in Vancouver and?

Yeah, I was auditioning. I started auditioning, like, badly, you know? You know, you're just like, I get what I'm trying to do. Am I doing it? Oh, yeah, in my head, I see it clearly, but whether it actually came out that way. Did you get it? Yeah, yeah, totally. You know, you have the good ones where you feel good and then you have the ones where you can't loosen up.

Mm-hmm. And, you know, to this day, auditions will, you know, they'll happen when it's your best friend's birthday or you're in Tokyo or you know you broke a foot yeah or they need you to come in in the morning and your house is yeah exactly you're not ready for a variety of reasons yeah everything's broken right it's today in five minutes and you're like oh my god yes so that i mean that sort of lifestyle i think was was was hard but i was you know gung-ho and ready to go yeah throw it at me um but yeah it took a it took a long time especially because we so we had the olympics so the the the ability for filming in Vancouver was down for two years, two and a half.

It just felt like we were never going to get it back. Wow. Having Arrow come to Vancouver, being a local, was huge. It was huge for everyone, for, here, make all departments. And especially with like small villainy, all of that. How specifically, I mean, did getting ready to the Olympics, like effect production up there? Was it just that? Did just close things down?

Everything was shut down. I think it was mostly just everything was closed down. Also, maybe there was a rebate system up there and if the city was putting all of their money into. There was no benefits. Right, right. Which now we sort of are slowly getting back. Right. And then we get one and then everyone's like, ooh, 22nd shows.

Yeah. But yeah, Vancouver is doing really well. So was it really slow for a long time? Did you feel that? Oh, so slow. I actually, I never gave up, but I needed to make money. I had some money saved. I went hostling in Australia and I ended up taking my yoga teacher training over there

and I came back and I taught yoga because I was like I don't want to, I had been working at restaurants and I just felt everyone was an actor and I was drained because I was just, I was just drained. Just so I couldn't for some reason convince myself that doing that job that I was an actor first. I couldn't do it. I was just like, this is what I do. nine to 11 every day. Right.

There's no creative energy left. To do anything else. I was like, I know. So I left and did that. It came back and taught yoga and then I started working at a dog shop too, which was great. Good time. It's always interesting, and I talk about this a lot on the show, that, I mean, almost every actor, it's so rare that somebody's like never had to work to support their art, you know.

And it is very difficult because it is physically draining. It can be kind of creatively draining. you know, you get home and then you just want to, like, have a glass of wine and pass out on the couch or three. But, yeah, exactly, but the flip side of it is that it can, you know, keep, it funds your creative life. I mean, it's what pays for your creative life. And it's always, like, the key, I always feel like the key for your own, like, sanity is just to find a way to find that balance, to see it as something that you don't resent, you know. But, but, yeah, I can't imagine that yoga was, like, paying all the bills. No.

No, no, that's why I was working at a dog shop as well. I was like, you know, I was picking up random jobs and doing that sort of thing. Was there a, this is such a hakey question, but I'm always curious about it. Was there a big break prior to Arrow or was Arrow like the really the biggest thing that happened to you? Arrow was definitely the biggest thing. And it was gradual because everything else that happened. It was kind of happening in between. I did a, I have a horseback riding sort of history.

My mom grew up horseback riding and she put me in it very young. And they grew up on a farm. So she was always very like gung-ho to take me to the last. and everything. And so I ended up doing a movie called Flicka 3, which is a horse movie. Yes. And that was my first sort of taste of being in a film. Right.

And we filmed it up in Kelowna for three weeks. It was beautiful. It was sunny. It was hot. I was 19. I wasn't necessarily like, this is art, but I was like, this is what I wanted to do. I'm working. Yeah.

This is like all of these scenes. Like, this is so cool. And I was still, I was continuing. continually in acting classes. So working for three weeks, I had to call my coach and be like, I can't come to class for three weeks. I was kind of bummed, but I was like, but guess what? Right, right, exactly, exactly.

And then there was a big law. I mean, I got my dog right after that. And, yeah, then there was a big lull for me. What happened? I did a little part in an independent movie called Random Acts of Romance with a good friend of mine and Taylor who took class with me. So that was a treat. I don't know if that will ever happen

if I ever get to work with my best friend Yeah Which I hope will happen all the time Right, right Create your own work That's what my friend and I do We just create our own work Exactly

Yeah and then Arrow happened that summer And I was happy to get one day on it Right, right, because here's the thing And people listen to the show know that we do a lot Well you hear a lot about people who test for shows And like how intense that is How stressful that is And I think maybe like Jared Padalecki told the story about like testing opposite Jensen and like that whole day of them like trying to match all these guys up and like how stressful it was.

Like, you know, so many people have told the testing story like how puky they felt all day. Yeah. But your character, Felicity Smoke, yes. Who was a character in the books. Yes, the Firestorm Comics. Right. But on the show was kind of going to be a minor character. It was going to be like comic relief a little bit, right?

Just for one, I mean, there was a one day. Yeah. And Vancouver always has possible reoccurring, which, you know, you'll come back, but it never happens. Right. And, I mean, I was just happy to get the one day. I was sitting by a pool and I was on my way to acting class. And I called my coach and I was crying in fetal position. I just thought it was, like, the best thing in the world.

Mm-hmm. When you heard that you got it. Yeah. And then I got to go to acting class right after I heard. Right. And just, like, sit with all these creative people who are, you know, in the same sort of realm. And it was just like a very beautiful sort of time for my brain. Yeah.

just even that one day, it's so clear. Right, right. You remember it vividly. I mean, I remember the scene. It was like he comes in because he's got a computer that he found. Yeah, exactly. And it was fun. And, Steve, I mean, I was nervous.

I was just nervous. Right. And this is still season one on the show, you know what I mean? It's like it's a new show. I don't even know if had it even aired yet at this point. I don't think so. No. Because I think I was up to episode eight and I was like, oh my God, we're airing.

I'm about to be. Right. Like, that's crazy for me. And then it happened and I was like, okay, cool. Let's keep going. Right, yeah. And it was just the one. So then when did you find out that they wanted to bring you back?

Because I feel like by the end of season one, you were like a regular. I was recurring all of season one. So it was always sort of this idea. I mean, I, to have that jargon of, you know, testing or regular or, you know, the only jargon I really had was guest star, possible recurring in the lead. Right. And, you know, the difference between a guest star and elite, like, that was in, you know, like just in fathomable.

Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly, yeah. And so the idea of a regular, I remember being on the phone with my agent sitting in Queen Consolidated when Walter Steele was still a character, Colin Salmon. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And just sitting there and we were talking about psychology because he's a big psychology nut and he was very interesting. And I got a phone call being like, yeah, they want you to be a regular for season two.

And I was like, great. Okay, I'm going to go shoot this. Right. And my agent was like, what? Do you want to talk about it? I was like, well, I mean, I don't really know what that means. And does it make it different? Had you felt regular up to this point because you were kind of an empry episode on some level.

I did. I felt like I was starting to feel like a, you know, a working actor. And you're working, you know, 15 an hour days. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And but I was only, you know, working maximum maybe four days an episode.

Mm-hmm. And now that's just that would be so little. but yeah I think it was just like a very it was a very I'm going to call it a beautiful burn like a slow beautiful burn because how would you say like a slow

graceful hike I don't know yeah because it was like a slow build yeah and figuring out what that sort of meant for my future was hard for me because I was I was like I'm still in my early 20 that was hard for me

there's been so much transition for me in the past two and a half years And I'm aware of how young I am and how kind of like old I feel, but only to an extent. You know, there's like this thing of like this sort of like this ball of this energy that goes, I don't know anything. Right. Right. And I want to know everything. Right.

And which one's better? Should I just stay in the middle sort of. And so, yeah, that was very interesting for me to sort of figure out and it's still a learning experience. Yeah. You know, I haven't, it's not like I became. I don't know. Like my life changed. Yeah.

And I changed too, but you change as you grow. But I don't, it was just, yeah, it was a very interesting, it's been a very interesting growth. It's a strange crucible, a one hour show. And because you are, it is so all-consuming of your life. These are things I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

When you were just kind of recurring and coming in for a few days of time, it's probably fun and exciting every time you, oh, I got a new script and I'm coming back in the next episode. That's really fun. But I don't... I think one's excited to see you. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, and you're a treat, right? Because you're not a regular. Yeah. It's like, hey, it's good. You're back. That's great. Yeah. And now they're like, oh, you. No, that's not. That's not how they feel. You're back. But you don't, like, you don't realize and you don't know if you've never done a one-hour show how it dominates everything. It just takes over thought process. Yeah. And it's, it's,

Look, I said this million times on the show. These are like super double extra top of the first world problems. Absolutely. But it isn't like going to an office every day where you get him at five and you can knock off and have a beer and you know, you've got your weekends. It just consumes like everything. There's no habit. It feels like there's no habit to a certain extent. It's very much like, and I think that's a learning curve too.

You get better at it. You get better at it. Yeah. But you should be able to float. No, no, there's no floating on a. I mean, what, I don't know. I don't know anybody who's ever floated on a one-hour show. I mean, you know, floats number eight on the call sheet.

You know, there you go. Number one, two, three, there's no floating there. And I think it can be, like you said, it can be a slow build and also be kind of like a frog in slowly warming water that one day you wake up and you're like, oh, my God, I've got to rethink. Yeah, have you ever heard this thing where you put a frog or a toad? This is apocrypha, by the way. I don't think it's actually real, but it's like an old kind of anecdote that if you throw a frog into boiling water,

it'll jump out. But if you put it into cool water and then you slowly heat it up, the frog won't move. And then it will just eventually boil alive because, you know, they're cold-blooded. So they kind of just acclimate to whatever the temperature is. Potient time. Right, exactly. So that if you liken that to people and TV shows, don't boil a frog, please. Although I would actually have eaten them before.

So I don't know why I'm all of a sudden so compassionate. You know, I'm pushing daisies when they have all the frogs. Have you seen that episode? And then he touches all the frogs and then become alive again. Oh, no. I haven't seen that particular one. Oh, that's a good one. That you wake up one day and you realize, oh, I don't have a life.

I have to, like, figure out how to get it back. It back. Like, create space to have a life. And, I mean, I feel like that sort of, you know, all that brain energy and brain waves that you stay on. It can also be inspiring. It can be, you know, enlighting. But then you're always turned on. It's like, when do you get to turn off?

Right. You need to be almost aggressive of turning, like, aggressively. turning off, like finding a way to, like, really clear the decks. Oh, yeah. Netflix is the best turnoff. My goodness. Just watch repeat episodes. How do you not, because when you go on hiatus, it's different.

But when you're shooting, have you changed the way that you, like, spend your downtime? Have you more protected about it? I have very, I have much fewer friends. Right. And I enjoy it. There's just fewer people that I see. I wouldn't say I have fewer friends. There's just a few of people that I see.

I have my dog. Right. Who I'm just, like, terribly in love with, and I miss her a lot. Yeah. And my mom is there. I get to see her. And my father's a little bit further out of the way. I don't get to see him as much.

And then my closest friend, Fanta, I get to see her. And other than that, I have lovely human beings in my life. But I don't see them. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There's just not the hours. Mm-hmm. And, yeah.

There's just not the time. that's changed and then on top of it, you know, in your free time, you're still working to a certain extent. Yeah, you are. Well, there's lines and then you have to work out. You have to work out again. Yeah, exactly. And then you have to have that glass wine. Yeah, like it's medicine. Like right away. Right, right. And then sometimes you have to be like, okay, to not today, nothing today. Yeah. And that's usually Sunday and we end up doing things, but they're unplanned. Right. Right. And that's sort of the beauty of doing nothing to a certain extent. What's interesting is like the people that fall away aren't people that you don't care about,

but you just realize you can only maintain like a couple of critical relationships and still have enough time to like be human. But I don't know if I've told this story on the show before. I probably have. I probably said everything three times. It's not that good. You're going to be disappointed.

Here it comes. Be ready to be underwhelmed. The last series that I was on where I was number two on the call sheet, I would get home after work and I would make soup and then I would like in a mug so I could hold it. And then I would get a glass of wine and then I would get into the tub so that I could. And so with my iPads that I could learn my lines and eat and drink and bathe all at one time.

Because that was the only way I was going to get like five and a half hours of sleep. You just did five. Like you were so efficient. All of my tasks at one time. Yeah. And I was like a baby too. Like I had to have the bath. Do you know what I mean?

Because I was, we were shooting in Toronto in the winter. And I would come home and like my hands would be numb from because we were like all locations and we were lying in the snow or whatever. It was so fucking cold. So I was like, it was a way to get warm, get clean, get fed, learn my lines, get a little fucked up. And then that would be the way that would make me sleepy. Then I'd be like a little baby. But like if I didn't do that, like I would sleep maybe like two to five. Right.

If I tried to do those things like linearly, you know. And again, super first world problems, but you just change everything. I relate to the bathing thing. Right. Yeah. I've woken up sometimes like four o'clock in the morning to take a shower because I haven't shower. Yeah. Not like terribly stinky or anything.

No, but no time. Just like, and I'm like, I showered for you guys. And they're like, thank you. Yeah, oh, totally. Well, you realize, like, some days you're like, well, do I want to shower or do I want an extra half hour's sleep? Because I'm so broken. All of the time. Yeah.

And there's, um. If I could be woken up by a thing of water. Right. Because that's the only way. And then you, like, dump down. Like, what were those contraptions or you just get everything done? Like, pour, poor milk. Just where you fall through your bed into, like, a warm thing of water and then through that

into your pants. And then into the pants there waiting for you. Like that old spice. But we do, like, we do have the sort of the, um, What would you call it? The golden ticket of I get to show up to work in my sweatpants. Looking like shit. Yeah.

Looking like garbage. And one of our camera women, Amy, she's so sweet. She's like, you just always look so pretty. And I was like, you should see me before I walk on to this day. I come in here a man. Let's just make that very clear. You should see the magic they do. This is a mask.

A man. Exactly. With Stephen underneath. I'm like, look at me now. There's such an intimacy, too, that comes on these shows because you spend so much time with the same people over and over again. And I wonder if you found that surprising, you know, I think theater school or even acting classes can only prepare you for so much. But there's like a whole other kind of culture that comes about, especially now that you've been on a show, is it going to be season four in the fall? You know, so you've been on a show for several years, you know, and but I get, you know, as an actor, I think you're like, it's the craft.

And then you're like around that is like nine hours of like, what's for lunch? Yeah, and too, like we said earlier, kind of keeping your mind so that you can still say it's the craft in your mind, but there needs to be space to believe there's the craft. Right. Or else you get caught in this machine, I feel like. I am surprised by the intimacy. I was always really good with people. I didn't necessarily always like people, but becoming close with people to a certain extent, although I've been recently told I'm emotionally closed off. Interesting.

Interesting. Interesting. Which is weird because I cry. all the time. I'll be watching like a chicken cross the road and be like it's so beautiful. Oh, I've been told

exactly the same thing but I keep everything inside and I'm a robot and I feel like I cry I cried at the end of Toy Story 3 by the way, let's just say that for the record. Burst into tears like a fucking baby. I was sitting with Katie Cassidy

like a couple days ago and she was doing work and I was pretending to do work I was on Jezebel FYI. That's work. It's some kind of work. And I was like, and then I was searching

like American Girl dolls. I was like, wow, $42,000. Three minutes later, I'm looking at porn. I don't know why that is. How does that happen? The whole Gawker family is just a funnel towards flesh pot. I don't know, yeah, whatever. It's a system for porn.

If you keep clicking, you will be looking at porn. There should be like seven degrees of porn. Exactly. And then. And then you're like, why am I looking? There's always a moment you're like, this is funny. This is funny. I really wish I hadn't looked at this.

Or how about I really wish I could stop? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Why am I still cleaning? Because your hand is just a robot by this. this point. Oh, the human brain. The scroll was such a great technique because you literally barely have to move your fingers. Like, you know, you have to push them.

Right, right. Now just tap. No, just tap it. Yeah. Just the light. Just the point out of your finger tips. So you're on Jezabelle acting like you were working. And then I started crying because there was this beautiful article about this prom is happening.

And there's this grade 12 class. And this, these two guy friends, one who was gay and one who was straight. the stray guy had like pulled out this big sign and invited him to prom with him and they were hugging and they were both crying and I was crying oh I want to cry it's not a video it is just pictures and I was just like and Katie looks up she's like um and you're like Katie there's not like are you what are you doing I was like oh my god you need to see this and she's like oh that's so sweet and then she goes back and you're a mess you're on the they're a puddle on the floor yeah exactly I'm like, okay, where's the porn?

I know, and then porn. But it's like a pallet cleanser next. Just just a little bit of porn. Get the feeling. Get the feelings out. Get the feelings out. That's how you can promote that. Sorpe. Mental sorbet, porn.

When did you move? Because you have a place. Now you live here. You're kind of like... Well, I primarily live in Vancouver. I still have my place there. That is my home. And then for hiatus, I am here because what happens is that you can get all,

you can do all this fun stuff here that I, like, what I want to do. And the, you know, I might go home next week for a couple days because I'm missing my dog and sort of, my friend, and we just bounce creative all the time and FaceTime can only do so much. That's true. And so that, I really miss that. Do you, I want to ask you a little bit more about Arrow,

but do you find, before I do that, do you, I mean, what's this question that I want to ask you? It's kind of not a good one, but I'm just curious. We are so self-centered in Los Angeles. And I don't mean like, in a grand cultural way, like everybody's like fucking with their face and stuff like that. I mean in a smaller business. oriented cultural way, which is that like we really think of ourselves as the center of the entertainment

universe. Right. But, you know, there are plenty of actors and plenty of cities who are working and have like really robust creative lives that never live here. Right. So I wonder if you find when you come to L.A. it's invigorating or whether it just it's something that you have to do and do you like it here? Well, I was blessed in a sense of I didn't have to leave Vancouver to get the job that I have now, which has opened the doors to me to come here and be accepted as already like you could say a, you know, industry resident. Right. You're established and, yeah. Established enough where, you know, people, you know, people want to meet with you. Say hi. Yeah. But I think, I mean, there's this sort of idea about relationships in general of, you know, the common interest in proximity. And, you know,

you can have the common interest about being in the industry, but there has to be something said about proximity. This is a bigger area for it. This is where it's, you know, this industry has sort of made its home. It could have been anywhere, but it was here. that's totally fine. Right. And I'm lucky and Vancouver's lucky if this is what, you know, this is what you're interested in that you are only two and a half hours away on a flight and you are considered, you know, Hollywood North in a sense.

Right. But I do find that, yeah, I mean, it is so, and when people, you know, when you hear like, oh, it's a Canadian actress, it's like, excuse me, I know a lot of very great Canadian actors. Right, right. It's not, you know, or Australian, it's not. Or Australian. Right. We found them.

No, no, no. Yeah, they had full lives before. Yeah, they were a round character before you put them into a flat one. Right, exactly, exactly. But I do understand the sort of the self-involved idea of it. It's like everybody here thinks nothing was happened until it's floated. I mean, we're like fish. Like nothing's happened until it's floated into our field of vision.

And then when it floats out of our field of vision, it's not happening anymore. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Well, there's the interest. thing of, you know, the, this sort of idea that everybody wants to be infinite and, like, thoughts in the same way would like to be infinite or sort of, you know, not forgotten. Yeah. And so, you know, don't walk away because you don't want to be, you know, pretended like you

never existed. That's a big drumbeat here, too. Like, you can't, yeah, people will forget who are. You've got to get in front of them. You've got to get meetings. You've got to keep reminding people. Yeah, just keep reminding people. It's like, well, I don't need to remind me.

And hopefully, and I do understand that, though, because you don't want to, you know, I don't, you don't want to just be, you know, sitting around one day and like, why is nobody calling? Because you didn't call. Right, right. But that can happen in any industry. I think we sometimes like to think that are, you know, it's hard in any industry. This is a very hard industry on the self. Yeah.

And also keeping the self. And I think there are different ways it is hard. But it might be, but I haven't tried other industry. Like, I haven't tried. I haven't become an astronaut. You know, I haven't done these things. I can't speak from that. But I know what I'm doing here is difficult.

and finding, keeping, you know, keeping who you are in the center as opposed to pushing yourself to, you know, a right side, can be extremely, can be extremely difficult. And people can, people will try to entice you to, you know, not keep that or, or influence you in a way of that, that's not serving you. So you do have to become, like, a little bit selfish in that way. And that might manifest differently in other senses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I also think when you're starting out, I mean, what's been really exciting, I think, watching you is, first of all, how much your creation, like your Felicity Smoke has become, like, so clearly defined. And so, you know, because she was, like, just this single scene and this one moment in the show. And now she's become, like, a definitive, you know, character. And she's changed the dynamic on the show in so many ways.

And I think it's really exciting to watch, and it must have been really exciting to be a part of to come see this thing grow. But, you know, it's almost like, like what's really exciting to see also is, you know, this is your, like, this is the first thing. This is like the first big thing you're doing. And it's just going so wonderfully. It's going very wonderfully. Sometimes I, you know, because I haven't had the opportunity to prove to myself, besides, which I have had the opportunity to prove, like in class and whatnot. and doing auditions and all like that. It's like, validation is always great.

Yeah. And I mean, that's what we search for to a certain extent in a lot of things. But so we're being like, is this all? The fear of like, is this, is this all? Yeah. Yeah. Like what? And I love, and I love Felicity so much.

I think she's like very honest and powerful. I would be friends with her. She's pretty bad. And she's helped me a lot because we sort of grown, we've like grown together because there was a very big transition for me. And it was so interesting that her, like, totally in a different way. Like, I'm not fighting crime,

but just transition for her was monumental and transition for me. I was sort of made aware that it was. I wasn't so... It wasn't... Part of you was just getting up and going to work every day and trying to, like, deliver your lines. Yeah, hit your mark and do a good job.

So it's been a very... Yeah, it's been a really cool curve. But I am excited to see, you know, what comes next. Not that I want to say goodbye to this and I'm not right now. Don't be afraid. but it you know that's that's what life is it's right really exciting to see what comes next and it can be

scary right and it can be kind of sad yeah and it can be like very very colorful right right we'll see what happened you were saying you do a lot of creative stuff in your free time yes um I mean yeah besides singing in the shower and you know covering myself in shock I like to write we like I really like comedy I've always really liked comedy I always really liked comedy I always I mean, and obviously the character on the show has what's nice also, and this will be the last fine point I put on Felicity Smoke, is how she's got these kind of big intense kind of anchoring, not in a negative way, but like really like centering, grounding emotional moments, but then she's typically like very, very funny. Kind of like the only really funny person on the show. She kind of fell off a little funny. I think she cried a lot in the last, like, a little bit.

Yeah, well, this whole last season was really intense. I mean, season first Ollie was hilarious. Right. Like he was like the funniest fucking guy. I mean, he just killed me every episode. He had like all these little sides. The show was actually lighter. And this is not an, you know, shows have to evolve

and your relationship with them evolves. But season one was probably the lightest season. And it was the season where Oliver Queen was stuck on an island. And I don't know, probably eating grubs. Yeah, for a big part of the time. Like getting the gorilla, the stick with the ants. Right. Exactly.

Turning over bark and, you know, eating like, caterpillars and worms. And living in an abandoned plane. Yeah. I'm going to eat crickets tonight, apparently. I had crickets the other day. Where are you going to have crickets? Oh, they have crickets of petticoch.

Apparently. So crickets are like my least favorite insect. My least favorite. Well, you haven't eaten them yet. But when they're, I mean, I don't. You know what? I'm not going to ruin it for you. I'm not going to ruin it for you.

I did. I just ate them from my own night day and a couple of days ago, like last weekend. Yeah. So what was that like? Well, okay. So, you know what? I will ruin it for you. So I might not.

I mean, I mean, I'll eat anything. I mean, I'll eat anything. I'll eat, I mean, maybe not human flesh, except for maybe under certain conditions. I want to say at the Armageddon, if you look juicy, I would walk away. If you're coming. Yeah, exactly. Just if you look marvely and tasty, just avoid my eye contact with me. But, like, I was just in Copenhagen and I ate ants, and they were delicious.

Copenhagen's my dream. Copenhagen's my dream. You just dropped in there. Dude, go and go and go. I'll give you some offline notes. But I ate crickets on the daytime show, and what I found was. And I've eaten lots of buggy type things. Like I love to go to sushi and get them to fry the shrimp heads.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, all that shit. And even if I have fried, I'll usually eat the tails. Right, I do, yeah. Yeah, so if, so fried, I mean, fry anything. Human finger. I'm down. I mean, don't do that.

There's only like three of them left. I know, but. And only one of them has a horn. So don't fry horn. I know, sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm going to try you make, make you cry like twice three.

Like a fake, like a you, like a fake horn. Like a fake, like a horn. Like the texture of a horn. A horn from West Elm. Like a horn that you would purchase at Z-Gallory. Come to West Elm. You're nearly made from acrylic. So if you've ever had fried shrimp tail, it's similar to that.

It's just all like exoskeleton. But I was trying to prove a point because someone was calling me a pussy. So I didn't just eat one. I ate like a handful of them. And then I kind of just was like, ah, and I swallowed them all. And then for the rest of the day, I felt like I had like a crooked leg stuck in my throat. Gross. I was like doing a lot of swallowing and articulating.

And then I finally went to a bakery and I got a roll. Yeah, that'll gooped pieces of roll down, like, unshued, just trying to, like, dislodge this leg I thought was in my throat. So I'm hoping that this is getting you ready for your meal tonight. I'm just hoping. I just cannot wait. That you can't. Petty Cash is supposed to be amazing, by the way, so I'm excited.

Come, come. That would be rad. I love, I've not bad and I've heard amazing things. I haven't been either. Yeah. And I've been waiting to go. Yeah. And I would eat crickets with you.

I would. Just to keep you company. It's not nice. We'll just read side by side. It's almost as good is when the guy invited. gay friends. I'm crying. I would eat crickets with you.

I would do it. I want there to be a big sign. I don't want us to be in high school because it would be nice. But I mean, there's something specific about and not everybody's like this. I know I'm a workaholic and panicked by the onslaught of time.

But when you're on a series, you know, it's such a gift. And you don't, you know, sometimes, it's hard sometimes. people see like, oh, this is a gift and like, it's going well and it's probably going to go for a while and like how wonderful it is, but everything comes to an end and what am I going to do next? And I think there's this dichotomy or this conflict between wanting to really be present and enjoy what you're doing and thinking about how do I develop like, how am I going to land?

And should I be working on that now, you know? And we, I mean, we shoot nine and a half months out of the year. Yeah, you have like a tiny, tiny hole. So the two and a half, two and a half one window. So, like, it isn't, it is not a window. It's a crunch time. Yeah. Yeah.

Especially, I just have so many, so many things in my brain that, like, I would like to, you know, produce and write and then act it and, like, read all these other things. And there's so many books. There's just books, books, books, books. And that's what I like to do. And then there's people. And some people are great. Right. Right.

And I want to see them, too. So there's this, you know, this idea of. And rest. There's also rest. You know, there's the idea, like, part of this time. should be rest sounds like to me it sounds like an abyss like a black hole that I like do not want to enter hilarious because it looks terrifying yeah I mean I'm very much a workaholic is yeah but I can get I know that I need it because I'll get down like I'll get I'll shut off

do you have the fear this is the fear I have which is um if I've got some available time that if I don't like leverage it as hard like utilize it like to the fullest extent possible I don't fill it with stuff. Yeah, that like, you know, I'm just going to have like whatever, like the grand, like the fear of missing out, like this huge fomo, you know what I mean? Just fall. Yeah, I'm just going to, I'm going to die and I won't have done all the stuff. I have to do all the stuff, you know.

But I mean, dying would just be, you didn't forget to do anything. You probably just die. It's not like you, you know, nine o'clock rolled around and you forgot to feed the dog. Right, right, right. You didn't forget. Right. I died. And I would have fed the dog if I was still alive.

I would have had the dog. I had great intention. So my death intentions are great. I never do this, but I'm going to do it now. And you can't answer this question anyway. No, I'm good. Do you help yourself, though? And I'll ask a question while you're pouring yourself some water.

It's a thousand degrees in here. We're in the valley, and it's not quite summer, but because it's always summer in L.A. My ankles are sweating. It's so. Coconut oil. It's just, oh, yum. I don't like them. They smell delicious.

to the beginning of smell of. Oh, you're a tatty down there. What's that? Yeah, that was from 19. It says Dream Big. You're actually, your character on the show, well, she is sarcastic and very funny. She's pretty buttoned up, but you are not a buttoned up lady.

What, I know? This cropped up. She's got a cropped up on. And ripped jeans. And she's tatted up like she just got out of the prison yard. Prison was great. Yeah. I'm going to tell you about prison.

Lots of tattoos. Lots of white walls. One eye did this one, pooky and them. Yeah. But do you, how much do you guys know about where the show's going to go and like the upcoming season? Like how much do they tell you? Well, I feel like everyone else, maybe it's because I'm new. I was thinking maybe it's because I'm new.

And I still feel new. I'm the new. I'm new. I don't ask. And therefore I'm not told. Right. But that's me. Like people will tell me things about my character and it'll never happen.

A lot of the things that I have been told in the past. It'll like, you know, somebody will, um, one of our execs will just like say to me at a party or something and be like, oh, really? Like, we'll see about that. Like, and I'll just be like, that sounds like so much fun. Right. That never happens. Yeah, totally. And some things do happen and that's always so cool.

But I just like seeing people get excited. So if somebody wants to tell me something, that's great. But I, I'm so, I guess we just, we just kind of do what we're doing. And as much as you can prepare, I feel like, you know, preparing scenes knowing, you know, knowing what the scene is about, where your story is, where you are in relationship. with everyone else and that's where your lines come in. I don't really like lock and load so much, but just knowing that, other than that,

your character doesn't know what's coming. Right, right. And sometimes, and not that it fucks me up, I'm just not, I'm not, like, I'm not waking up at night and going,

oh my God, I need to know. Right. It doesn't, I'm also like always reading like three books at a time. So it's always like, my brain's like, what about these characters over here?

And so he's like, wait for me. So, yeah, I don't know. Steve knows a lot. Yeah. Will and it was quite a bit of real character.

David Duh. Yeah, I'm just like kind of the... Yeah, you just want to kind of have experience it as it comes. Yeah. What books? What's your... What the book books do you read? Well, what I'm reading?

I'm reading Skinny Legs in All right now, which Karina Law told me to read. It's her favorite book. Mm-hmm. It's about a tin can, a spoon, and a dirty stock trying to find their owners on their way to Jerusalem. Ten years before 9-11 it was written. And it's a very political story. about, you know, Arab and Jew and sort of, um, that sort of, like, story.

It's very interesting. I'm about half a year. Mm-hmm. I go through periods where I'm like, I read graciously and then periods where I don't. You know what I mean? I kind of go crazy on books, but I tend to only read fiction, and I don't know why that is. I only read fiction, too. Yeah. Yeah, isn't that so funny? Occasionally someone will recommend, like, nonfiction to me, but like, there are people like religiously only read, like, historical nonfiction. I'm like, I did that in high school. I don't want to read about... Somebody just knock?

Yeah. That was exciting. Hold on. Yeah. So what are you reading right now? What am I reading right now? I just finished the, oh, God, let me think of it for a minute. This trilogy of books called the, it was like annihilation and assimilation, a sentence.

I can't even remember the name of the books, but it was this. Sounds great. It was really great. I know. It was really good, too. Why can't I remember it? Because I like post-apocalyptic fiction, so I read like Korma McCarthy and shit like that. And one of my favorite books that I read recently was The Reapers and Are The Angels, which was like this incredible kind of like, so good.

You would love it actually because it's like really, it's a zombie novel, but the protagonist is a girl. What's that? I'm like a child right now. I was like giving me. No, it's good. You love it. The protagonist is a woman and like a total badass, but like the writing is very kind of intimate and like sad and really lovely. And why can I think it was like called the ex.

The X-Zone trilogy. Anyway, it's about kind of like nature, like reclaiming Earth and kind of like, that was pretty good. If I could remember the name of the book, that would be more helpful. It would be fun, but I'll tell you.

I think I tweeted about it. I'll search your whole Twitter. I'll just stay on there for an hour. Right now, I'm reading this book called The Tools. I never do this because I don't read self-health books, but I don't. I really don't. I don't believe in them.

Apparently I'm perfect. You've never been on me. I don't see how perfect I am in every way. Need no improvement. I can. But a while ago, so there's this radio show called The Business. It's based on, like, on KCRW. They have a podcast as well, but it's like local public radio here in LA.

And it's all about entertainment. And they did a segment on these two psychologists that work with blocked artists. Specifically, they just work with people in the entertainment business. And they help artists get unblocked. And I was really interested in them because their therapy is just focused on creative minds. Like, that's all they deal with. That's all they do. And then they wrote this book called The Tool.

that was specifically helping, like kind of created to help people get unblocked. Right. And that was really interesting. Yeah, it was very interesting.

And it's an artistic way of looking at a self-help book. Yeah. It's not about like, here's the secret. Yeah, and it's manifesting shit. And if you think about it,

magically, Oprah will give you a car, which I'm like, Oprah's done giving out cars, by the way, everybody is. I don't want to. Like all cars? She's against all cars. She's never going to give another car away.

She's like, that part of my life is over. Okay. I mean, Stedman and I discussed it. That is a chapter. now it's closed no it's closed

do you have a self-inflicted one story that you would like to tell the people you know this happens I mean stuff happens to me every day I was gonna pick I was kind of gonna just pick a story from my childhood which was sort of

you know but I have all the drunk stories in the world I mean you can tell your best drunk story no one's gonna fight you on that oh god no I mean like well you know I said I'm self-inflicted I'm lactose intolerant I eat a lot of cheese so I think that's self-inflict I was like when I was 14 I was like that is a real ruin

I would love to have like a scar in your leg from cheese. I'd be like, how did that happen? So much dairy. No, this was like running from the cot. Like one of my cops. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I was reading your book.

I was reading your book. Oh, thank you. Because you can hear your voice. Thank you. You just hear it. It was like, oh. And you, you inspired me to think of, you know, all these things about when, because you were telling one from when you started.

I think you started at five. And one of my earliest memories. I mean, this is, you know, whatever. My earliest memories, my dad had this beautiful, it was beautiful to me. It was up too high for me, and it was a dish of coins, two days and loonies and quarters. And I thought it was great. I thought it was like the coolest thing.

I would like, it was like, it's high. I can't reach it. I have nothing to spend money on at the age of five. This isn't about having currency. It's about literally filling, I had this Lion King piggy bank that just looked great. And then I would go around the house and there, I'd always find these coins that were sort of like from Australia or something and I would collect these coins and I'd be like, where are these coming from? Right, exactly.

Magic. And I had like a Kiwi on in. There was like, you know. So I would go in like a tiny little thief in the daytime and like would steal like a tunie. And I'd be like, oh my God. Look at this tunie. Can't wait to tell dad. But would be like, oh, if you tell dad, he'll make you stop.

Right. But I wanted to show my parents like how exciting it was. And so one day we're upstairs And my dad's downstairs And it's just me, my dad and my brother And in the house I have no idea where mom was from there And I was like, this is so cool

I'm going to tell Eric because my brother And he was like, oh Okay, so you like you step on the thing And you get up there and you take a bunch of money Like a tiny little thief And I just remember feeling so bad Like this was such a life lesson for me as a child And then we go downstairs

And we say hi to my dad who was just coming over with, we were about to adopt a dog that I really wanted. And it was my birthday wish. And my brother was just like, Emily steals money from you. Like right there.

I'm standing beside him. I was like, you traitor! You betrayed me. You're supposed to be my best friend. You were my sibling. And my dad was so mad. Oh, my God. And he's like, show me the piggy bank.

And I was like, no, my, the Simba and like, they need to eat. Like, it's like a piggyback. You need to feed it. You need to feed it. That's the whole point. Things are just, And it's not like I was hiding the piggy bank, it sat in the kitchen.

Like it sat. It was never like a hidden. And you were just like, I'm not stealing. I'm just reallocating. It's like, oh my God. And my dad lost it. And I just remember I was so mad at my brother. I was like upset my game was gone.

And then I remember feeling guilty for the first time. And I felt so guilty. And I read, you know, later when I was studying psychology that guilty is a learned, like guilt is learned emotion. You can learn it around the age of three or when not. And there's, you know, innate emotions as well that you understand. I'm not sure if I believe it, but there it is. But I just remember feeling so guilty and not terrified because I was never like scared of my dad. He never like put the fear into us.

He was just, but the man would be, you know, he's your dad. He's big and he's tall and he does a lot and he knows everything. So yeah, yeah. So I just remember being really scared. My mom coming home and they grounded me for life, which was probably like an hour and a half. But no TV, like no Sailor Moon. And I was just, I just remember being like really. And then I had to split the two knees with my brother.

That was the punishment? Well, besides being grounded. Yeah. Which felt even worse because he was the one that sold me out in broad daylight. Yes. Yes. An outrage. So therefore, at the age of five, being a little sneaky thief, because I also wanted to be a spy.

And being a pirate, too. I mean, like, all these things I think back. I'm like, you were very justified in your thieving ways. Well, that all, piracy. And I never stole outside. and espionage all fell into that early. It only moved a floor. I was just too.

Yeah. The big problem with the espionage is that you told somebody that would have been. But he was supposed to be my partner in crime. We would have walkie-talkies every Christmas. Did you keep everything from him after that? I mean, I feel like I did. I remember my cousin taught us what the middle finger went and I told my brother, but he never like.

But we were partners in crime. We would set up booby traps around the entire house and our parents hated it. Like cereal everywhere. Oh, wow. pine cones like snakes like gardener snakes because we had a garden outside we'd like take the snakes and blame it on the cat that was a really good one too yeah that's always a good one yeah the cat it's the cat that took the tunis the cats stole the tunis and then put them in my piggy bank i don't know why you guys can't understand that one of my favorite books is sex drugs and cocoa puff i love that

book and he talks about chuck close to him in man he talks about like how he never lost socks because of the dryer but then he started meeting this cat on the way to do his laundry his laundry his outside his house and he started losing socks so he blamed the cat yeah it's the cat i was like well that's the only thing that changed i was like i totally understand what you're saying that's just that's just a scientific method of deduction right what's the fact is the thing that's changed the cat i'm like i'm sorry you're losing socks the cat doesn't wear socks because chiklism is the best thing my first book i read sex drug and cocoa puffs english i read sex drugs and cocoa buffs and i was like i would like i want to write like this person he's amazing yeah he's so amazing i i read his uh um

killing yourself to live as well, which was very, I mean, I didn't feel as educated in the rock and rural world, so it sort of felt it was like an education for me, but I wasn't able to relate to it as well, but his style of writing is just, it's just like a way of talking. You have a very similar, but I know your voice. Right. Like reading you and reading your book, I'm like, well, I can hear you, which is so lovely. Right. But I feel like without knowing his voice, and I've never actually watched an interview with him,

which is sort of sad now that I think about it. But I feel like, yeah, I feel like, yeah. feel like I know his voice. Yeah, yeah. He's the way he writes. Yeah, and there's that kind of like personal urgency. Oh, all right. Now this is just turning to book club, so I'm going to say goodbye in a minute.

But I mean, I recommended this book actually recently on the show, and I'm going to recommend it to you. Neil Gaiman's American Gods. Okay. Oh, God. That was the last book I read that I, like, lost my mind over. Why do I feel like I've heard it? Maybe I heard it from you.

It's so great. I probably mentioned on the show. Yeah, it's, um... But maybe not, maybe something else. I don't know. Okay, go, go, go, go. He does a lot of meditation. kind of like deity because he's written like a bunch of books about like demons and angels and like

he's not I don't know if he's religious or not but it's because this writing about about that stuff is very sarcastic but uh oh god American gods that's that's how we're going to end the Emily and Asia book club today you're on hiatus now right what are you going to do between now and when you go back to work um well we have I mean today I'm going to go eat and then tomorrow I'm going to go work out and eat again and then the next day has the same idea because there's a pool involved. Same plan. I am going to go to Greece for a week.

Excellent. As with my friend Colton. And June rolls around. I'm hoping to work. I want to, you know, I want to shoot some sketches. Yeah.

I want to do that. I want to do some stuff for yourself. Yeah. That's been on there and I want to see how I can handle it sort of sort of getting that all done. Right, right. Like setting that goal for yourself and then executing it. Yeah.

Yeah. And it would be my first time sort of like writing something and putting it out there. Yeah. I mean, my friend Fanta and I we'll have love so much. Right, right. And we're like, why don't we just do it? Just do it. So we need

the just, we need the Nike Moto to like literally catch us on fire. Yeah, and there is no reason not to. There isn't any reason not to. There's sometimes there's just like your reason which is nothing. Right. In inertia or the bigger one which is like, I don't know if I'm going to like it. I don't know if you'd do it. I'm busy. There's no reason not

to do it. You know? Yeah. And I want to watch all of Orphan Black season three. These are goals. These are big goals. And Amy Schumer's. Inside Amy she or so. There's a lot of TV. Yes. But now when the weather's just nice. No, it's a thousand degrees here. It's been summer since January 7th. Yeah, welcome to Los Angeles. Welcome to LA. Yes. You are rad. You're rad. You're doing my show. Amen. Amen. That was Emily Betrecards. I constantly mutilate her name in real life, but I'm going to get it right on my fucking podcast, man.

She's so great. There's no upload to other than my voice sounds like this because I have been in New York for nine days working insane hours and then occasionally blowing off a little bit of steam after those hours and I have broken myself like a frail breadstick at an Italian restaurant. So, you know, I sound a bit husky right now, but you know, what are you going to do? The human body can only take so much. Too much fun. Although no fun would make me a very, very sad lady. So I must have fun as much fun as possible before I expire and depart this ball of dirt.

And you should too. ladies and gentlemen you know what to do come follow me friend me tumbler twitter there are other things aren't there facebook twitter tumbler instagram that's it instagram come looking pictures of things that i do and people i occasionally interact with come send me a letter at girl and guy dot net click on the envelope send me a question for the all awesome listening questions show at the end of the year i save them all come say hi come right and uh and comment on iTunes and keep girl and guy on top you are sensational you're a sensational you're a Sensational group of people. You are a fucking a world-class premium team of excellence. That's what the Girl and Guy Army is. Just pissing excellence every day. So go out in the world and be your superlative self. You are fucking fantastic. Never forget it. You are Legion. I'll touch you in the next one. Late.