Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 108 - ASOS Davos I

Episode Date: November 13, 2020

In a sort of Blackwater episode, Davos chooses between his own life and death on a lonely onion rock as a ship looms closer and his gods judge him.  --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: www.liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon, a song of ice and fire, episode 108, Davos 1 in a storm of swords. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. Here we are. It's been a minute. You know, this is kind of technically still the Blackwater. Yeah, the Blackwater stretches on and on.

It is a long body of water. We are in our 973 of the Blackwater. Davos is in our million and five of the Blackwater. Davos is having a long life right now. Davos is having a lot, just in general. He's like, when will this end? Aren't we all asking when this will end, Davos? That's true. Aren't we all asking when this will end, Davos? That's true. Aren't we all? And, I mean, this is a short chapter, so some things are going to end much faster than you'd expect. Yes.

Today. A short, happy ending for all of us. Wait. Hmm. Phrasing? Are we doing phrasing anymore? Uh, no. I like how the joke has evolved into that, right? From phrasing to, are we still doing phrasing anymore uh no i like how the joke has evolved into that right from phrasing

to are we still doing phrasing it's one of my favorite jokes in tv series so evolution are we still doing no but really uh we this is probably what a very quick jaunt before we get toward that hand job so let's stick it out let's go for a quick romp our lightning round is not quick today actually of all the things in this chapter this is not quick we have a uh a decent chunk of a lightning round because we have to end a clash of kings so of course we've highlighted because when davos goes Clash of Kings, it's one of those moments, right? It's like the Arya moment at the Red Wedding. We just don't know. You think he's dead.

Till he pops back up here. Yeah, he did really seem dead in that moment. I mean... To be honest. It just didn't look great for Davos, is what I'm trying to... Things didn't look so hot. Well, they did look hot i mean they looked very hot but it still didn't look great as it's still not great for him here right i mean all his sons are dead but we'll obviously talk about that in a bit that's not awesome things

are bad not gucci well we cut out some of the chapters that don't really have much to do with Davos here. We kept it to the Blackwater. And at the end of Clash of Kings, we had Tyrion XIII. Tyrion has lit the Blackwater aflame, and by chapter's end, he must lead in the field. Sansa VI. Cersei

graciously informs Sansa that if things go south, no one is getting out of this bitch alive. Tyrion 14. Tyrion is lucky to lose only his nose at the Blackwater, thanks to Podrick Payne. Sansa 7 slash 8.

The Blackwater makes things a little hot. And Sansa's a bit- Chloe wrote this. this is inappropriate well eliana if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen well okay well um so later on of course sansa has to watch a bummer's farce in the third room before getting a real gift which is a later chance at escape really shitty gifts i'm gonna be honest with you they say don't look a gift horse in the mouth but

i don't know what about a gift dog ow don't look those in the mouth either don't want them in the mouth eliana tyrian 15 tyrian awakens in bed ready to to reveal, beneath his bindings, the monster war has created. And that brings us to A Storm of Swords and the prologue. Chet and other men of the Night's Watch plan to desert, but the others interrupt their plans. Jaime I. Jaime enjoys the fresh air of freedom in the charge of his cousin Cleos Frey and Brienne of Tarth, and he's interrupted by a Tully galley looking to retrieve the prisoner. Cat hopes to make amends between Hoster and Lysa, but the clock is ticking. Arya, Gendry, and Hot Pie are lost on the Trident, and by night, Aryria dreams she's a wolf attacking the bloody mummers

tyrian won tyrian hopes to be rewarded for his efforts in the battle but he is instead belittled by his father he's such a dick i read that chapter before this sidebar and tywin sucks yeah it's it's you're just like whoa where is this all coming from tyrian did a great job yeah but his mom probably fucked someone else eliana so now i have to take it out on him um and also like he did such a good job that we have this chapter davos one yes where davos has finally lost all his ships his sons and maybe his king dun dun dun no one knows no one knows he doesn't that's for sure that's true he doesn't know doesn't know anything because he's feeling like he could crawl into the cave and let death take him or he could wait for the sail on the distance that has suddenly appeared to grow larger and closer. He's dehydrated, hungry, just dry,

and he knows that he's very, very close. He's been very tempted to start drinking seawater, and he's like, hmm. But I know, like, that way, that's how you start dying. And he's saved by a rainstorm, which leaves water in cracks and crevices once more. But three or so days pass, and then he's back to tasting mud

and rocks. Yes, he thinks, if not thirst or fever, starvation would kill him. And I am brought back to what our friend Pete sent us last week in the email when he said that a man would break by then and that siege lasted how long? At Storm's End? Interesting. Interesting thoughts there. It is.

It is. And especially here, right? Davos is almost at his end, and he's really brought low in this chapter. He's been drowned and then brought back to life. You know, it's something that we see in the Iron Islands. It's very much in a way a baptism and rebirth for Davos. He's been smashing crabs on rocks to eat their guts and meat fighting as they try to nip at his fingers but once the tide rushes back down davos must scramble and cling to a rock to avoid being swept back down with it yeah and he's left clinging on his lonely isle the lonely island oh my god he keeps trying to stone some seagulls to eat but they're too quick for him and he's too weak and it's interesting the language here with the crabs on the rocks and

the the eating of the guts and meat just the the survival and the drowning it actually gives me a lot of Lady Stoneheart vibes yeah and I think that makes sense here there's a lot in this chapter that I think really portends lady stoneheart we'll come back to that in a bit i mean they're they are in the same book that's true that's true and i mean besides that you know this chapter also has a lot of notes of a lot of other chapters that happen in this story and shares a lot of those same elements and themes right especially in terms of these uh in terms of the the isolation that they have and having to deal with things in their past one of the most explicit i think is the forsaken assuming um we're just assuming people

know what's happened in that chapter it's we've been waiting for years all right i understand if you have taken a sip of seawater yourselves and have uh know what happened the forsaken i was there when it happened so um sure puts the lsd in seawater you know what i mean yeah it does and i mean both davos and erin wrestle with that idea there's that idea of belief right what did they believe in and then this kind of question of the righteous being punished and you know do they deserve what is coming to them or what they're enduring at this moment do they not deserve that and then of course um questions about godhood and punishment here we're seeing davos have his own little like internal religious reckoning as uh of course aaron kind of does too

as you're on like bow to me bow to to me and Aaron's like well he doesn't actually say bow to me he says you know submit like kneel to me like or something it's been a while and Aaron's like what the fuck no and the other chapter that it actually really reminds me of is Danny's final chapter in this pretty much entire series that we have thus far because we have been again waiting for forever in our drinking sea water um so that's i think danny 10 a dance with dragons and the way that davos is here on this little little rock kind of reminds me of the way that danny describes her time alone with drogon in uh at her quote-unquote dragononstone in that grassy sea.

When she's speaking to the ghosts of her past and she's wrestling with, what do I do now? How do I move forward? She's starving. She's scrambling for food. Same way as Davos is here. He's reckoning with the losses of his sons and speaking to his gods. Like, Dany was reckoning with the losses of Jorah in this series. Know who you are, Mufasa.

The stars now do you. It is very much like that. Or Simba. know who you are Mufasa the stars know it is very much like that or Simba Simba sorry Mufasa wasn't the one in the sky the dead one I'm sorry oh my god yeah no

that's actually a really interesting connection and I think we'll get to that especially with the calling upon the gods there's a lot of other connections Can sansa tons to come so where davos has landed on his lonely island yes aliana his lonely island uh there are other islands that he can see from his refuge and they're taller than his they're a good 40 feet above water with clouds of birds swirling above which to me i read that line and said ah that's where your other men have died oh right it's a storm of sorts not a feast for crows so a storm of goals a storm of seagulls

mine mine mine davos knows that he cannot swim the treacherous waters to try to get to another island, which looks like maybe there's more food over there. Interesting. So was he considering eating the people over there? No, he wanted to eat the seagulls. He was like, maybe I can get closer and eat some of their gull eggs or something like that. Oh, but honey, but what awaits you on the treacherous waters in the island is cannibalism. Interesting. Where have we heard that before? everything preceding this and our reminders of the black water as uh the sort of underworld thing going on uh davos's plate you know kind of reminds me of tantalus in the river tantalus's punishment you know he was in the river and then like above him was like a tree with fruit and every time he was he would just like be hungry and thirsty all the time for obvious reasons and he would try to jump up and get a fruit,

and then the fruit, like a wind, would blow the branch just out of his reach, and then if he's like, I'm thirsty and I want to take a drink, then the water would suddenly all recede. Makes me think of Davos here right now. The days were only bad when the sun was shining, but the nights were beginning to get colder and colder, which now Davos has not only, he's not only thirsting and starving and prone to exposure. He now has developed a cough and a fever.

I mean, probably some of it is infection. Who knows? I don't know. And there's rotten, wet driftwood that would come to shore. And he's like, I would try to light it to warm myself, but he can't because it's wet, and then to no avail, he just gets blisters. Thirst, hunger, and exposure are his only friends in the Blackwater,

and all he can hope is that for one of these to take pity on him soon enough and end his misery. He's like, or maybe I'll just do it myself, walk into the water. He's like, he'd always been a sailor, and he was meant to die at sea. Yes, he thinks. The gods beneath the waters have been waiting for me, he told himself. It's past time I went to them.

There is a little bit of Sansa in this in my head coming out when you think of him wanting to just walk into the water and to end it all and just be done. It reminds me of Sansa in her depression in King's Landing in A Clash of Kings a little bit. I was also thinking of not just Marillion, but anyone in the Sky Souls in the blue calling to them. Yeah, that's a good thought too.

And interestingly enough, you know, the Tyrion chapter that comes right before this, you know what it opens with? No. Rusty hinges. Iron hinges. Oh. Oh. Yes. So that made me think of some of the stuff you were saying with Aaron earlier.

I was kind of surprised. I was like, oh, that's so weird. But I digress. Something kind of silly to lighten the mood from the rusty hinges. This chapter kind of reminds me of cast away the movie actually never seen the tom hanks movie you've never seen it let me tell you we have to watch this sometime eliana now we can do that we should do it as a watch as like a watch discord watch this is a girls gone canon discord watch i am in we were also talking about doing i claudius sometime but

i don't know where to find that yeah i know we have to figure out how to do it all we'll get there we'll we'll figure out the tech we have a great tech team on discord which is all the people on our discord it's ellie and jake well okay long story short you get the drift of castaway oh the drift oh my god i have a very strong memory of me i want to say i was eight probably when i saw the movie and i have this strong memory of crying oh because no no big spoilers but he loses his friend wilson he comes up with an inanimate yes wilson uh and you gotta understand like if you didn't see this movie tom hanks's castaway came out in 2000 and it was big like it was blockbuster was still around at the time you know

they were a thing and i remember they had for sale or maybe they were giving it away maybe it was in a burger king meal i don't fucking remember but it it was a Wilson was a volleyball that he like had a bloody handprint on. And he it became his friend, basically his partner on the island in this movie where he was stranded on an island. He's a FedEx worker and his plane crashes and he gets stranded on this island. And yeah. And et cetera. Right. You can see the antics that go from there. So everyone should see it. But I remember this visceral memory he loses wilson at one point and i bawled like i straight up sobbed like this is your your point where you're like wow my eight-year-old child is an empath everyone because i cried for this fucking volleyball but i digress like burger king had these toy

antennas toppers for your car that were wilson yeah like it was a cultural phenomenon but tom hanks made this and legitimately davos is just waiting for this coconut friend wilson to show up on his island and name him stannis he's like a step away and tom hanks said when he was making castaway that he wanted to examine the concept of four years of hopelessness in which you have none of the requirements for living food water shelter fire and company that's five requirements but whatever um i'm guessing food and water he's calling one and he had been reading an article about fedex and he heard that you know they had 747s just filled with packages flying across the Pacific.

And he's like, whatever happens if they go down? But no, we don't stay long enough for Davos to get a Wilson necessarily to talk to or lay his craziness at. Though it does manifest later on when he talks to the mother in the ocean. And all jokes aside, there are some similar themes here, right? Like the baptism theme. Tom Hanks as this man who's a FedEx plane driver guy crashing. I mean, I'm not going to say anything, but it's about capitalism, everyone, and the grind. You know, he ends up like making this whole new life.

And no, it's not perfect or great. But Davos has crash landed here and it is a baptism. uh davos has crash landed here and it is a baptism like aliana said he he kind of has a change of thought because he's had his whole life just crash here and davos's baptism eventually leads him to being accepted into stannis's church but it's not necessarily a normal church right like just like stannis isn't a normal god it accepts him into Stannis and the other lords' skull and bones society. You're one of them, Davos. And Davos, after all this suffering, is reborn on this rock. Later on, he gets transformed into a lord.

This is a pretty interesting transformation. That's a good point, yeah. And he does rise higher. As you said, this is preceding the handjob. Only death can pay for life, right? Yeah. Is Tom Hanks on the island for four years? I think that's the concept, yes. Not that he actually is, but in this story. Sorry, now I'm intrigued, but it seems like a really emotional movie.

really emotional movie you know what the most emotional part is literally when he you know projects all of everything all of this like loss he's experienced and now he's on the island and he's just like you know we're not made for that we're unfortunately we've evolved and we're made for like the couch and alcohol and like netflix now we're not made for the stuff of legends but he you know embraces nature and all that shit or whatever and so when he loses that companion he's made that's an inanimate fucking object eight-year-old me never understood loss and suffering until then you know like my heart broke for that fucking old man on the screen that i knew nothing about that was just like. Why is his volleyball friend gone? This is horrible. So I really recommend it.

Is what I'm trying to tell you. So now Davos. Submits his own survival. And agonizing. His own castaway moment. Again a sail has emerged on the horizon. There's hope. And it's also a ship where no ship should be.

Because it's sailing towards his little island which is quote unquote island one of the many little seamonts from the floor of the blackwater bay and the tallest of these juts 100 feet above the tide and the lesser ones stayed about you know 30 to 60 feet high these are pretty fucking tall when i think about them and sailors call them the Spears of the Merlin King, which, you know, of course, Varys made these as the Merlin King. The tinfoil. Yes. But

Davos thinks it, I mean, it's a difficult place. It's treacherous to sail in. So he thinks that any captain with sense kept his course well away from them. I like the subtle hints that George is dropping and we're going to keep seeing more of them as we go of who this boat is, right? From the start, he says it's a striped hole. Here, he's like, ah, anyone with sense would keep well away from these things because it's like an obstacle course for ships.

Think of like a dog training obstacle course. That's what you're putting these ships through, but in the water in giant size. And higher stakes. I find that interesting. Yeah. Higher stakes, I guess. Davos is listening to the wind to confirm that the ship is coming this way unless she changes course soon. And we get this internal monologue from Davos.

It might mean life if he wanted it. He was not sure he did. Why should I live? He thought as tears blurred his vision. Gods be good, why? My sons are dead. Dale and Allard, Merrick and Matos, Perhaps Devon as well. How can a father outlive so many strong young sons? How would I go on? I'm a hollow shell. The crabs died. There's nothing left inside. Don't they know that? Sad. I like how

he thinks of himself as a crab. Very sad. I'm just internalizing this. Perhaps Davos is a cancer. Oh, because of all the crabs? Yeah, they're crabs. You know, I haven't thought about that. We should actually seriously think about that sometime, about Davos' star chart.

Which reminds me, we need to report out at some point. A couple of you sent in your Aswath character star charts, and they were great. Share them sometime. We're going to talk about it. We are. We are. Maybe it's an episode. We don't know. And they were great. Share them sometime. We're going to talk about it. We are. We are. Maybe it's an episode. We don't know.

We're not sure. But this is very sad. Reminds me a lot, actually, of Catelyn, right? All Our Babes, Ned. Yes. It's not quite the devotional song yet. We're getting there. We'll talk about it.

But there's also something else. A phrase in Latin this reminds me of it, it's actually probably most popularized by Angelina Jolie. She had it as a tattoo, and it was a testament to her struggle with eating disorders and drug addiction. And it actually makes me think a lot of Davos in this moment. And the phrase is quad me nu treat me de street. What nourishes me also destroys me so take it in the different context for davos davos can't even properly grieve for the sons he's lost without recontextualizing it in the world and what this means for him and his family and if he chooses to live to seek whoever is on this ship

to save him his path is probably going to lead back to stannis because what nourishes him also destroys him he has a home in stannis's lands now his wife has servants paid for because of stannis his two sons the two that are left ironically davos and stannis are the sons that are left are at home like he still has to provide for them and it's it's very sad it's a never-ending trap yeah it is and I think that's something that we see with a lot of the other characters in this story too so I think that's a really interesting line Davos and Black Betha had been in the second line of battle between Dale's Wraith and Allard was

on the Lady Maria. Merrick was oarmaster on Fury in the center of the first line. And then Mathos had served as Davos' second. As you'll all remember, he was on the same ship and told his dad to put on a helm. We get to relive some moments with these quotes of

for just a moment the river rung to both strings and ships but then a beast let out a roar and green flames erupted the jade demon pyromancer's piss all around them and davos found himself in the water watching the ships explode around him and then if if that's not enough, the Lannisters had also raised their giant iron chain to do further damage. Yay. From bank to bank, there was nothing but burning ships and wildfire. The sight of it seemed to stop his heart for a moment

and he could still remember the sound of it. The crackle of flames, the hiss of steam, the shrieks of dying men and the beat of that terrible heat against his face as the current swept him down toward hell. Yeah, so a side note here. Some of what I thought was interesting here is the way that the Blackwater's described that language. It's not just consistent with A Clash of Kings Davos 3 and the language there. It also makes me think, you know, we know that George writes a lot of the POV chapters back to back, right?

And then he'll go back and, like, edit them to make them all fit together. It feels very much like he wrote this right after writing the Blackwater scene. So that's all. It's just fun asides. He knew where he was going, for sure sure yeah and and i think it's a really well written chapter in general right like had davos waited a few moments more he would have joined his sons down at the bottom of the black water but instead davos had kicked sucking in for air diving hoping to pass under the chain and ships and wildfires swimming for the bay and he passes the men who were dragged down to the bottom uh by their heavy plate and he pushes his lungs as far as they can go and then

as he looks up he spins too far then suddenly he's unable to tell uh top from bottom he's too far gone at the bottom of the river and he's kicking up mud and blinds himself and next thing he starts to scream because obviously you he can only swim for so long. And then water rushes in, and he knows he's drowning, and the next thing he knows, he wakes up on this strand of naked stone, and it's just honestly all... I really love the way that the scene is written in this whole chapter, and how it just focuses in on Davos as a character.

But also I think... In some ways it gives us insight us insight right into how this idea of the broken man in the story the davos doesn't become one and i think that's a big part of his story that he doesn't know that's a great point especially because like we just have this story of sandor clagane deserting uh and we see him go to sansa's bedchambers. And yes, it's inappropriate. We've discussed this at length in our first 300 hours of the Blackwater. Yep. Yes, you get me. We don't have to go back to it.

I'm sorry for bringing it up. Everyone knows that I'm problematic is what it is. Will I ever change? Will I stop being me? Will I stop being a dumb bitch? I don't know. I don't know. It's been like 28 years. Maybe we'll find out eventually stick around keep listening but back to the story sandor becomes a very broken

man here right and we're seeing the actual physical tumult on davos's side of like everything he went through from drowning from this rebirth this baptism like we've said uh and all all he's been working towards and climbing for and all that security for his family for his sons is just blown away in a moment like the chain falling like the fire going off and he's landed on this goddamn rock where he has nothing and he starts to, how could they might call this rock Onion Rock? I hope so. It's my tombstone, my legacy. I'm going to call it Onion Rock.

It's a great name. He thinks, this is it. This is what my tombstone and my legacy will be. This is what we've succumbed to. This is it. Garbage. I'm an onion garbage. Yeah, he's starting to think, getting real down on himself, probably for obvious reasons.

yeah he's starting to think getting real down on himself probably for obvious reasons and on this onion rock right he's taking shelter on this like cave this small cave he's like this is hardly even a cave but he's like it kind of is and i i feel like caves and caverns and davos's story are kind of an interesting motif that keeps popping up right in some ways like as we just saw it was a source of sin for him but now it's become his shelter and all the different layers it it kind of encompasses yeah well i do not envy this whole drowning experience he had in the mud and the murk and the the dead bodies dead things in the water shall i say we get this really beautiful sad passage this uh this is very much this whole bit is just like a confessional from davos right and usher has

confessions so does davos the father protects his children the septons taught but davos had led his boys into the fire dale would never give his wife the child they had prayed for and allard with his girl in old town and his girl in king's landing and his girl in bravos oh okay allard they would all be weeping soon mattos would never captain his own ship as he dreamed merrickrick would never have his knighthood. How can I live when they are dead? So many brave knights and mighty lords have died better than men than me and Highborne. Crawl inside your cave, Davos. Crawl inside and shrink up small and the ship will go away and no one will trouble you ever again sleep on your stone pillow and let the goals peck out your eyes while the crabs feast on your flesh you feasted on enough of them you owe them

hide smuggler hide and be quiet and die damn sad it's really sad it hits hard and I think it gives insight into something that this story explores especially in this book of parents learning to live when their children die it's insight into that idea that no parent should have to bury

their child and we see that of course with Catelyn and a very very different interesting exploration of that when she becomes uh re brought back as a zombie and of course cersei and how we only get her pov later on um after the death of her her firstborn that she really seemed to love but not necessarily the most healthy way and i think it's something that george is just interested in in general right we're gonna see it happen with doran martell and i think it's a big something that george got to really dig into when he

wrote alice and jahari so this is something that i think interests him and uh davos is giving some of that grief here dead kids as a motivator wow you think that's a theme that george is exploring in this never absolutely not the sail of the ship that's been on the horizon for so long looms closer and davos is like i hope it goes by quickly so i can die in peace oh davos he reaches for his finger bones. His trusty finger bones at his neck. But the pouch is gone. And his finger bones are gone with them.

Yes. And we have a line here of. Stannis could never understand. Why he kept the bones. To remind me of my king's justice. He whispered through cracked lips. But now they were gone. The fire took my luck as well as my son's in his dreams the river was still aflame and demons danced upon the waters with fiery whips in their hands while men blackened and burned beneath the

lash mother have mercy davos prayed save me gentle mother save us all my luck is gone and my sons and i know that the finger bones have significance but i'm just saying maybe davos is a hoarder in the same way that i have kept my wisdom teeth and i don't think it's any weirder than alerio keeping his wife's hands yeah it kind of feels also like baggage. Interesting. That he won't let go of it because letting go of those finger bones is letting go of his belief in his god. Yeah, and he's being forced to try and reckon with that, of course, here and doesn't quite get there. Right now, he's weeping freely and he says the fire took it all the fire i don't know there's the water there too just saying anyways perhaps it's merely the sea sounds

but davos almost hears the sea return his call saying you called the fire you burned us us and davos cries back that it was her melisre, begging the mother not to forsake them. Okay, I just, I have a couple thoughts. But first, I'm going to break them out here, one by one. First thought, begging the mother not to forsake them. Who's them, bitch? Everyone's dead except you and Stannis. Like, who the fuck is them?

First of all. Maybe it's Davos and Wilson. First of all. Second of all all she wasn't even there shut the fuck up like davos i know you're you're kind of traumatized right now okay i'm gonna give you a real i'm a real one i'm just gonna give you a pass but hmm all right back to the serious stuff i just wanted to play pretend and laugh for a second but really bitch they're all dead i find his prayers to the mother here super interesting because davos hasn't been allowed to pray audibly to his gods in a while right he's been stuck in stanis's camp he can't be a non-believer and in this moment he's utterly alone

on day who knows how many stranded right no one to talk to and his choice is interesting he doesn't pretend to talk to stannis he probably fears stannis's wrath and his failure right he fears his failure and stannis's reaction he doesn't pretend to talk to maria his wife the mother that he actually knows if you remember stannis in a clash of kings says to him why do you pray to the mother she didn't birth your kids pray to your wife that's who birthed your kids davos and here he's not praying to maria he's done nothing but let her down. How could he? How could he face Maria right now? He talks to the mother instead. He talks to the mother, the same mother Sansa just prayed to for mercy for these broken soldiers just a few chapters ago.

And he's basically playing out a conversation that he knows he can't have with Maria, right? knows he can't have with maria right because even if davos did play this conversation out and have it with maria he right now is expecting rage and anger and guilt from her right and pain and processing of emotions that one would probably have when your husband causes the death of oh i don't know what's five divided by seven what percentage is that eliana is that uh a lot of your kids four four right but to his knowledge it's yeah that he thinks it might be five um i don't i'm not gonna do this math i mean i'll just i don't know math i'm gonna be honest it's like 70 percent ish something around there but 71 71 percent okay we're rounding down yeah i just but yeah so you've lost 71% of your kids basically in your mind right now

so playing this conversation out with your wife would not go well if you're like play acting a conversation out and trying to talk to someone in your grief of 5 days being stranded on this island in pain so the sad part of that is that even though he fears Mario's

reaction Mario couldn't even have a natural reaction, right? She'd react in grief, but at the same time, women in Westeros, when they lose their children, aren't allowed to have that reaction. As we learn from Catelyn's reaction being pretty kind of dramatic to seeing Rob, her oldest that she loves very much, killed in front of her. Yeah, that's a problem. But Maria doesn't get that. Like, Maria's not highborn. Her role in Westeros is to serve her husband and make sure the homestead is good and take care of the kids. And so she doesn't even have the agency to react in full grief.

the kids and so she doesn't even have the agency to react in full grief the fit that we see cersei or cattle and throw like mario wouldn't even be allowed to do that because she is responsible for raising davos and stannis the two remaining children at home so she doesn't even get to fully grieve herself she has children to feed she can't react or hate stannis or act out yeah she has no time or energy yet she has no agency in the situation so davos is here on this island yelling at the mother because he knows deep down that she has no agency so he can't even have a guilt conversation with her yeah and i mean he's far away right he's like yeah what could maria what could even say to maria yeah nothing and you know in in terms of the conversation that he has right in all of his grief a lot of davos's situation here reminds me of

the book of job there's this idea of divine justice uh where you know obviously you do something wrong you said and god punishes you but joe was pretty blameless god was just like i don't know posturing for satan um that's literally what happened and it is and he's like what did i do and we all know know because we saw the beginning of it, right? We all read that. But anyway, so Davos searches, you know, he's searching for his finger bones. And this reminds me of that because he's thinking of how the finger bones were meant to remind him of Stannis' justice. And as we'll recall, Davos had thought of Stannis as his god. And you know, you kind of have to question in all this, like, has Davos done wrong? Or like, has he done anything that has he done any sort of sin that weren't being punished the way he is now? And I think I know that that's an ongoing question in this story, right? We explored it with Theon. But here with Davos, that's something that he's sort of wondering. He has these hallucinations, of course, with the seven, his gods, and they assert to Davos that he has, in fact, sinned in burning their effigies

and also in aiding Melisandre in the murder of Courtney Penrose and in standing by at the death of Maester Cresson. But again, does that warrant the sort of punishment that Davos endures here? Is it even punishment? We'll come back to that. And, you know, it's the same as the question of, did Davos's smuggling warrant the punishment of his fingers being cut off? So divine justice is being called into question. And there's also, it's a chapter with many different gods at play. Again, a chapter about faith and the way that the Forsaken is as well. again a chapter about faith and the way that the forsaken is as well we have the seven we have of course the red god and his prophet melisandre and then we have all the ones davos thinks of when he's like maybe i should just die and he's thinks like the gods beneath the waters have been waiting

for me so there's those gods too right and then of course there there's Stannis. But interestingly, Davos, at no point, like, do Davos' gods accuse Davos of idolatry. They accuse him for his actions, but they don't accuse him of choosing to follow Stannis as a sort of god. And also, interestingly, not once does Davos ever really question or blame Stannis for how the battle went. You know, Chloe, as you said earlier, he blames Melisandre for everything that went here, like in terms of like the fire and also for causing him to sin when he's at Storm's End. But he doesn't put blame on Stannis

for giving the order. And I think we mentioned this during that chapter, but there's aspects of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his child. But I think that's going to be more at the forefront of Stannis' own storyline versus Davos'. But regardless, Davos externalizes that blame at first onto Melisandre entirely, then internalizes it on himself instead and blames himself and i do kind of question again like how much blame does davos deserve and if he's being unfair on himself by internalizing that guilt and blame as a way to feel more control over the situation um especially because he's trapped on a deserted island uh sort

of purgatory where he has no control over everything but also as you said like in terms of who he would speak with in this moment, Maria would likely feel grief. Yeah. So on one hand, like, I think that there's an aspect of Davos's guilt and like Davos's culpability and like he could have pulled out of the plans, right? Or said no. But at the same time, like his sons were all like a lot of them were adult like right and from the way that we see them act and especially the way that we see devon act later on i think it's likely that davos's sons were gonna like go along with this plan anyway right like they were men of fighting

age and regardless that means that if their king goes to war like they know how to sail they were gonna be roped into this regardless and yeah like davos thinks of his luck also as being gone and in a way a lot of it was luck how could any of them know tyrian's plan right it was bad luck and to give yourself up to i don't know like that especially in grief it's difficult to just resign yourself and be like that's just life or death whatever that's just how the chips fell and again like it's weird the lack of blame laid at stannis's feet where davos has put his king on a pedestal beyond reproach here and as we see in the next chapter he does and and here right we see he shifts that blame back onto

melisandre but there's a kind of need for him to have that as his personal narrative give himself something to do and i I'm just like, it's strange because, and I get it, but also at the same time, like, Stannis is the one who chose not to bring Melisandre here, and it's Stannis who put the wrong people in charge and who made the wrong calls for this battle.

And it just really, really highlights how even in this chapter, that faith that Davos has in his king, that he never once truly questions him. And yeah. I think that it's a very apt depiction, putting Davos akin to Job. And I know we're going to talk more about the book of Job later on. But the trials of Job, like Job retains his faith in God despite these tragic events, right? Despite a series of

tragic events he loses all his kids absolutely and it's very akin to that and it reminds me kind of of many other divine tests right like this is a divine test for davos he's lost everything and it feels a lot like this story uh called the cottage of candles which is about basically filling a biblical injunction the injunction justice justice shall you pursue and the cottage of candles starts off with a man who he is jewish goes out in the world to seek justice and he thinks true justice exists somewhere but he can never find it and he goes everywhere searching for it years pass he explores all the known world except for one last great place he enters the dark forest with a lot of hesitation he's kind of freaked out uh and he

runs into a cave of thieves and they mock him and they're like do you think you'll find justice here and then he goes into the huts of witches they're like you're gonna expect to find justice here where witches and the man goes deeper and deeper into the forest he arrives at a clay hut and he sees many flickering flames in the hut and he's curious and he knocks nothing curious knocks again nothing he steps inside it the door opens he pushes it open and he realizes that it's much larger inside than outside it's filled with hundreds of shelves and dozens of oil candles some of the candles are in precious holders some in cheap holders and some are filled with oil burning brightly and some are almost gone and an old man all at once appears and he says how can i help you and the man says i've gone

everywhere searching for this justice tell me what are these candles he says each can i help you and the man says i've gone everywhere searching for this justice tell me what are these candles he says each of the candles is a person's soul as the candle continues to burn the person remains alive when the candle burns out the person's soul takes leave the man says can you show me my soul so the old man takes him through the labyrinth and the man now sees everything it's endless and he gets there and he points to a candle in a holder of clay and he goes that's your soul and the man looks at his candle and he becomes horribly afraid because the wick of his candle is very very short and he looks like at any moment it could slide out sputter out be over

and he sputters and he's like how could how could i be so close to death and then he points at the candle next to his that's burning brightly anew and he's like well whose is that and the guy's like i can only reveal each man's candle to him alone and so the man's quaking and he sees smoke rising elsewhere and he's like wow does that mean i'm no longer among the living and he looks back and he sees he only has a few drops left and he gets this terrible idea when he looks at the full one and he takes the candle lifts it up to his own and he tries to pour it into his own candle and the man grabs him and he's like is this the kind of justice you're seeking and for that what it hurts so much

it's supposed to be death basically like he dies that's the old man kills him or whatever and he opens his eyes and he sees that everything is gone and he's standing alone and all he hears are the trees whispering his fate and then he wonders have my candle burned out am i dead and it's supposed to be the supernatural folk aspect with the keeper of the soul candles, an Elijah type figure right, basically deciding, is this the angel of death come to take me or is my life still going

and Davos' luck feels like it's out here right, like he's ready to give up he's not doing great he's ready to die and even in that last moment, his faith in what's happening what is he going to choose? well, this is where he's ready to die and even in that last moment his faith in what's happening what is he going to choose well this is where he's about to choose as we see he chooses his faith and he chooses to press on yeah and i mean he chooses his luck here right because i mean that

there's a ship here at all that is pretty lucky it's a sign from a god yeah somewhere uh the mother's mercy maybe as we'll talk about later yeah and i think it's really important here that this ship that's coming as we know is actually not it's not stanis saving him right that's the biggest part of all this as we're about to find out it's right one of the lysini ships and it's one of Salador's men. So it's actually Davos' own connection that saves him. He's not cheating. He's not pouring the oil from someone else's candle into his own candle holder for once. He's not smuggling in onions and, you know, making money off of them and paying with his fingers.

This is Davos doing it on his own for once. and paying with his fingers. This is Davos doing it on his own for once. So it's really interesting that he is avoiding it and avoiding blaming Stannis at all in this. Yeah, in this because, like you said, he's the one who fostered that connection with the Lycene. He's kind of made his own luck here. Yeah, like the way his sons talk to him like, Dad, you're a knight. You can't just let these guys speak to you like that now. And he like no you don't get it all we have is because of stannis it's the same thing here right like this isn't stannis isn't out here saving your ass like you get home you don't you call an uber and get yourself there stannis didn't come to give you a ride home davos yeah he's i mean he had a job even before meeting up with stannis, right? Just like your Sims family, that they were in the mafia.

I remember that. I remember that. He was like that. Tython? Yeah, he was a good Sim. Yeah. Rick. Gone too soon. Well, Davos thinks about a different person, not Tython.

He thinks about Melisandre and her long coppery hair her red eyes, her red gowns rolls of silk and satin and flame from the east that came to win them to her alien god and he proclaims that it was all her work to the mother

but even as he says it he kind of knows that it's his own work as well and we have this passage her work and yours onion night, you rode her into storms and in the black of night so she might loose her shadow child You are not guiltless

no, you rode beneath her banner and flew it from your mast You watched the seven burn at Dragonstone and did nothing She gave the father's justice to the fire and the mother's mercy and the wisdom of the crone, smith and stranger Man, rough stuff. Yeah. A lot of self-reckoning going on davos here he is he's

broken down the black water he's praying for his death and for mercy and and before we uh get into this big guilt fest someone else that i think we see a lot of this self-loathing from is tyrian who had the chapter before this right in the last chapter interestingly enough Davos is requesting judgment from the mother and facing the mother but Tyrion is actually facing judgment from the father specifically his own father Davos one comes sandwiched between the winners of the black water Tyrion and Sansa which let's face it neither of them are winning shit right now right especially sansa tyrian is lying in recovery and he's bitter and he feels like this is a hollow and empty win

he actually has this line that sounds like something i think we might hear from stamis someday which is my hirelings betray me my friends are scourged and shamed and i lie here rotting tyrian thought i thought i won the bloody battle is this what triumph tastes like this chapter also is laying that groundwork for the lysini ships davos sees the striped hole being the hint that this is not all loss for dad votes right in the tyrian chapter tyrian says stannis's lysini kept their galleys out in the bay beyond your chain when the battle Tyrion says, up from recovering from the battle, dealing with business around the castle, making war plans and coronation plans and marriage alliances even for Stannis' golden stag heiress, fortifying their keep and holding but alas for all the work that he's done. Tyrion's plea for a reward is silenced

and met with fire from Tywin, which is where we see Davos' plot continue to differ. In this chapter, Davos' faithful, loyal, unfaltering service is eventually rewarded. Right now, it's not rewarded well. It's rewarded with exhaustion, dehydration, hunger, pain, the bad stuff. In fact, he's given his king everything, as we know, his children, his devotion, his relationship with his wife, the universe, for King Stannis's reign. his relationship with his wife the universe for king stannis's reign stannis still will end up rewarding davos right specifically because he sees a the path that stannis originally took was wrong and davos's words had merit after all and about time and good move yes i said good move write it down in the books one nice thing about stannis but But in the face of winning, and after physically he loses part of his face, Tyrion gets rejected by Tywin. And it's because Tyrion cannot give Tywin the part of himself that Tywin craves, right? Tywin hates every fiber of Tyrion's existence, every cell. Tyrion can't fix that. We are past that. Even in sacrificing part of his body in the Blackwater, which Davos sacrifices his body and his god does reward him.

And it's interesting what you said earlier, and that's something kind of here, right? That the father judges and Davos is asking what was judged and the mother is judging him as opposed to the father. Whereas here, I mean, as you said, Tyrion can't win with Tywin. Tywin's always gonna judge him, and the scales are tipped. And not in his favor.

Not at all. The sail of the ship is now a hundred yards away. It's moving quickly, and Davos begins to climb his rock, clinging to it. He almost falls twice, and he's like, if he falls, he's dead, and he had to live then he screams ship

into the wind ship here and he can see the ship clearly now lean striped hull a bronze figurehead a billowing sail he can't read its name because he's illiterate but he screams again for help until one of the crewmen sees him a crewmanman asks who he is, and Davos realizes he doesn't know what the right answer is. He's like, oh shit, dog? Locust? Dog. Classic. Classic. Ugh, fire was involved with that too, actually, in fact. I know! Wow.

You know, and people debate whether the POV is alive or not. Mm. Got him. you know and people debate whether the pov is alive or not um got him so davos thinks to himself a smuggler who rose above himself a fool who loved his king and forgot his gods instead though what he says out loud is that he was a captain a knight in the battle i kind of love this line i mean i love a lot of the writing in this chapter but the this really highlights you know the difference between who people are who they perceive themselves and of course the narratives that come along with the titles it's something that i think we saw really well in jamie's povs of course but it's kind of pointed here that he says that he was a captain and then that he was a knight in battle you were saying earlier that Davos'

sons were always reminding him about his knighthood and that Davos stumbles on it here right he has to remember that he's a knight and you kind of see that lesson coming through now and how he's presenting himself that last little lesson from

his sons like Mathos being like dad put on your hat sad times it's really awful so i'm really upset that you're talking about it god uh many gods maybe because only one realm one god one king thank you uh isn't that what the people want? They want you to be pro-Stannis? Maddie's been really on that lately. I know, I've seen. She's been doing a great job. So, back to these men.

The men talking to Davos. They ask, okay, but which king were you a knight for? And Davos is like, IDK, IDK. And hek and he's like wait a second no it's not one of joffrey's fleet it is the lysine fleet it's one of salad or sans it's striped yes yes and so he thinks the mother sent her here the mother in her mercy she had a task for him stannis lives yeah that's the first fucking thing you should be thinking about right now the first fucking thing stannis lives he knew then i have a king still and sons i have other sons yeah he said this shit and a wife loyal and loving he said this

shit with his whole ass head whole ass head how could he have forgotten the mother was merciful indeed stannis he shouted back at the lysini gods be good i serve king stannis hey said the man in the boat and so do we holy shit but, he was so close. Davos was so close to a breakthrough. And then, just like our friend Pete said last week, Davos the gambler is back on the wagon. Davos said bet. Davos was like, Annie, up, Stannis. Really, he straight up with his whole ass head said, I have other sons and a wife so loyal and loving. Bitch, you just killed

off four four of your sons and the first thing you say is stannis lives i have a kid still i that he didn't think before i should live for my other kids or his wife yeah this is some he's lying to himself he's got a problem Davos has a gambling problem he's straight up lying to himself here holy shit Eliana yeah Davos knows he has a problem

I don't think so and he eventually will when it's too late when the cloth is when the wool has been pulled from his eyes but like that's the thing right his faith has him overlooking all of the, all of Stannis' shit. Yeah. And he's just so intent on serving him for, like, that one act of mercy.

And I'm like, was it that merciful? I don't know. Or that justice, right, that he thought was so incredible to him. And coming back once more to the book of job at the end here right um again we all know why job suffered even if they all don't but one of the people that he's uh dialoguing with uh suggests this idea of you know we as people will never truly know god's plans and his divine wisdom it is unknowable to us as humans and that there may be a purpose for this and that suffering may be a part of god's plan

and davos is swallowing that message up here right not just seawater swallowing this all up and interestingly he says gods be good i serve King Stannis when he answers the Lycini, not God. Because as we know, everyone in Stannis' camp loves to correct each other on their plural or singular God while they're all circle jerking during their starvation. But whatever. It makes sense that he also thanks the mother for her mercy here that he would say say, gods be good, because he's been talking to her and being like, please. And maybe it's a compromise, right? Like, it feels almost like a compromise. Like, this time will be different, Davos said. I mean, his kids are probably going to survive. I don't know about Stannis' kids, but... Yeah, you know, I mean, the odds are a little different, whichever way you spin it, but it does remind me of the Earth's foundations in Judaism. There's a myth, basically, where Yahweh replies to Job and says,

Where were you when I laid the Earth's foundations? Speak if you have understanding. Do you know who fixed its dimensions or who measured it with a line onto what were its bases sunk who set its cornerstone when the morning stars sang together and all the divine being shouted for joy uh as we're about to see davos transition from being like literally seaworthy right like out at sea and able to participate in the field to being lordly and see him take on that lordly moniker when stannis finally bestows that gift or that curse i guess we should say onto him and makes him his best man gives him that hand job wow um that change between the two is like this interesting change almost of classism right understanding where what saves him is he sees the stripe holes and

realizes it's the lysine ship and he thinks well he couldn't read it at first but then he realizes the normal signals that he usually would notice from ships in the bay and how he would figure out who they are and how fast they're going and if it's a strong captain or if it's an interesting captain or uh you know a captain that knows tricks and maneuvers, he notes that as we go through this chapter. You know, ship shit. I mean, he notices ship stuff the whole chapter.

You see him very lightly in the background notice it. So that is reading for Davos. That's him reading the sea. That's him understanding and reading the sea. It's like the alethiometer in His Dark Materials, right? To to cross series for a second but crossing he's not yes he's illiterate but he's not stupid uh and the next part of this journey in a storm of swords davos kind of has to cut through a lot of the red tape and the bullshit right and yahweh says to Job you can't possibly understand all of divinity

I created this bro like I made this magical shit this world this essence this everything you look around you I made that shit bro and Job is just supposed to sit there and take it like yeah you're right I don't know dick shit god that's great I don't know shit and I don't know that's kind of how I feel here for Davos you know like he's about to enter a realm where he has to sit there frustratedly on and off which is what's so exciting about when he finally gets through to Stannis re-Nightswatch but and I mean God does reward Job's faithfulness with by restoring some of his possessions and wealth, etc. But obviously he doesn't bring the kids back.

Yeah, that only happens a couple times and it's really associated with one person throughout the Lazarus and Jesus. It only happens very few times. Yeah, those are some climaxes for the story. You know what I mean? You can't just go putting those throughout. No peppering them out. Sorry, Job. Yeah, those are some climaxes for the story, you know what I mean? You can't just be putting those throughout, no peppering

them out, sorry Job. I mean, I know George likes to do it, but he does it a little different, right? And when, so he does regain some of that, right? And just as Davos, as you said, rises higher, returning back to Stannis. Mm-hmm.

I mean, you just can't bring a kid back, or a dad, can't bring a kid back or a dad. Can't bring a man back, even one without a head. Can't bring a mom back, though. That's one of the saddest lines. Yeah, but you can bring a mom back, apparently. Well, she had her head already on. Well, listen, I'm just saying you can bring a mother back

to bestow some mercy upon the heathens of the story and man this chapter reads straight up like catalan throughout clash throughout storm even so much as in a storm of swords we have catalan taking that role of the mother as her father dies as hoster dies she has to deal with a lot of that grieving, has to deal with a lot of that kind of coming to terms enclosure that a lot of other people are busy with war and stuff and don't have to deal with that. They have other problems to deal with. We have this line from Catelyn's thoughts. She was no longer an innocent bride with a head full of dreams she was a widow a traitor a grieving mother and wise wise in the ways of the world this kind of reminds me of what

davos is about to be right uh a traitor he's about to do some stuff against his king that maybe isn't great a grieving father and wise very wise and later on we get catelyn going to the sept to pray in that chapter catelyn went to the sept and lit a candle to the father above for her own father's sake a second to the crone who had let the first raven into the world when she peered through the door of death and a third to the mother for liza and all the children they had both lost. That theme of losing a child is really what the series is based on, I guess, when you really look down to it. Dead parents, dead kids, dead everyone, death. It's a bummer. The series is kind of bummer when you think about it, but it's also about life, right? There is a lot of life that is afforded. Davos survives,

and he goes on to save the life of edrick eventually probably saved the life of rickon which we'll talk about as we go through the series and uh unfortunately maybe not save the life of shireen but you tried you got two out of three so yeah two out of three is good odds right for gambling right i don't know hey 70 of the kids are gone so save 70 other of them i don't know 71 five out 70% of the kids are gone, so save 70% other of them. I don't know. 71%. 5 out of 7. Just kidding. And it sucks because Catelyn thought that basically, you know, probably about 70-ish percent of her kids, she thought

they were dead. Yeah. But turns out 100% of them were alive and then only a bit of them died. A bit. Just a bit. Depending on wolf theories, you know what i mean you don't know as far as rob goes maybe he's in his maybe he warged and then he and then and i don't he could be in walder fray right now for all we know rob is roslyn whoa or he time traveled

he time traveled into edmure and roslyn's baby i think we're getting a little on a tangent here eliana but what i'm trying to say is i mean yeah it's all that you said and i think it's interesting that you know for you you talk about it and tie it to mother's mercy and she's given, the mother right, tied into all this, it's provided a second life for Davos and a second life for Catelyn, the circumstances are a little different but it feels very linked because again

all of this is happening in the same book mhm yeah and you really start to feel kind of that Greek tragedy vibe around Stannis in this, too. A lot of what you've spoken about with Daenerys, or sorry, written about, has not spoken about. You must pay her $10 million to hear her thoughts out loud audibly about this essay.

I think I spoke about it on Not A Cast. Daenerys. I think I spoke about it on I think I spoke about it on Not A Cast well you can listen to that for free or you can pay 10 million dollars to hear Eliana talk about Daenerys no I'm just kidding but there's a lot of just the idea of like Greek mythology with the rivers as we've been discussing or like with Merope with the guardian of the sea

you know being her even being a mother type figure you know she's prominent in ovid there's just so much like it just feels very mystical there's a lot of magic even with all the dreariness and the murkiness and the green and the crab shells scattered everywhere and the goals flying overhead the chapter feels very i don't know very odyssey it does it really does and coming back to greek myths you know aphrodite she would bathe in the sea and her virginity would be restored and maybe davos is a virgin again that's that's how i could what i got to but uh no there is a definitely big Odyssey vibes here, but he makes it back home.

But actually he doesn't. Stannis is his Calypso. That's interesting to think about. It's a thought. I'd like to see it respectfully. If anyone would like to sketch it for science interesting uh stavos oh my god well i guess that's it that's a wrap on davos one in storm of swords it's a quick chapter it's short but full of so much depression oh my god

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