Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 15 ADWD Quentyn The Windblown/The Spurned Suitor

Episode Date: August 17, 2018

Family, duty, honor - Quentyn Martell sets off on an adventure, losing companions and faith along the way, to marry the dragon queen.   SIGN UP for our Patreon - first charge will be September 1st - ahead of time: patreon.com/girlsgonecanon if you sign up for a $10+ tier by September 1st you will get a BELWAS DESERVED BETTER sticker shipped to you      intro by Anton Langhage The Last Butterfly by Wodkah for Men's Lives have Meaning   check out JoeMagician's piece on Brienne/Pretty Meris      Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/   Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor    

Hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are. Welcome to Girls Gone Canon, episode 15. Quentin Martell, the windblown and the spurned suitor. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. You can find me on the internet as at Liza Narber on Twitter, Liza Narber on Tumblr, and Drunk, a Song of Ice and Fire History on Podbean and Twitter. And hello, I'm Eliana, the other one of your hosts, and you would probably know me as Glass Table Girl on the Maester Monthly Podcast or on the A Song of Ice and Fire subreddit.

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Love the show. Got introduced to you on LML's live stream and I thought you guys were great. I spent the last week catching up. Love the flow of your episodes. How easy hours go by when you dive into the show got introduced to you on lml's live stream and i thought you guys were great i spent the last week catching up love the flow of your episodes how easy hours go by when you dive into the show i love your back and forth with each other and all the impressions and storytelling you guys do to help bring it alive i love a song of ice and fire so much for this reason the story's great but going back and rereading with deep analysis with friends makes it so much better can't wait for allVs lined up, excited for the next four years. Oh my God. That's really daunting to say out loud.

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And of course, LML, he's been doing some really awesome Sansa symbolism streams lately with maester mary uh which if you haven't checked out her stuff you should always also check out her stuff and of course the ever lovely san rixian mallory who is a wonderful artist she does great drawings prints she has some really cool t-shirts and if you stay tuned we might just have a spoiler alert some fun san rixian stuff to give away in the coming time so we will keep you updated on that i'm very excited me too without further ado we will jump right into our lightning round of what

we missed of course because quentin has so few chapters he has about four chapters and they are spread across the book, distributed pretty evenly. You get about one pretty much per quarter. There are several chapters in between. So for now, all I am going to have us read for these lightning rounds is just what applies, anything that's in or around Slaver's Bay. In Tyrion 3, Tyrion takes up the name Hugor Hill, joining Raleigh Duckfield and Haldan Halfmaester to reach the Little Rhoyne and the Shy Maid. Hugor meets a ghost from the past, thought to be long dead, and learns of a plot to join Daenerys Targaryen. Daenerys 2. The murder of Daenerys' forces has accelerated at the hands of the Harpy.

Dany implements a blood tax to fund a new force around the city and she takes hostages from the wealthy families. His dar presents his case for the fighting pits to once more be opened, and Daenerys considers it before going to see her dragons. In Tyrion IV, banned from drinking wine aboard the Shy Maid, Tyrion finds himself making his rounds, spying on the naked Septa L'Amour during her bath, breaking his fast with Yandri and Ysilla, Turtles. I love them. I know. Daenerys III. Sarazul and Doxos, the Carthian merchant, visits Daenerys and attempts to sway her

away from abolishing slavery, offering her instead 13 ships if she will leave for Westeros immediately. She refuses his offer, and after holding court the next day, as tensions are rising, she summons Zaro to give him her official response.

Zaro tells her that she will die screaming, and she throws him out of the palace. The next day, the Carthene have left a bloody glove for Dany, a declaration of war. In Tyrion 5, floating past the ruins of the Croyane tyrian reveals he's figured out the

griff family secret young griff is the long-fought dead agon targaryen and griff is john connington tyrian reveals his own secret of lannister roin and the stonemen by john connington tyrian is treated with vinegar to reduce grayscale infection tyrian plays a game of savas with agon probing him for information and learning of the baby switch. Planting a new course of action into Aegon's brain, he later convinces Halden to let him find a brothel, searching for Tysha. Drunk, Tyrion leaves the brothel and becomes a captive of Jorah Mormont as a prisoner to be delivered to the Queen.

In Daenerys IV, the Green Grace meets with Daenerys, once more suggesting she take a husband from the cities. This time, she suggests Hizdar Zolorak. Daario Naharis returns, and Daenerys lustfully sends for him, but becomes upset with his barbaric suggestions on how to rule, and sends him away. Then the Lost Lord. He's queer, and he's's here with the disappearance of tyrian john khan continues their route to meet with the golden company with denarius staying in marine their plans have been complicated and the golden company is not quite as enthusiastic about their

invasion of westeros agon uses this opportunity to come into his own as a leader, giving a compelling speech to retake Westeros and avenge Princess Elia Martell, claiming that Daenerys will have to join him in the end. The chapter ends with Jon Connington surveying his hand, watching greyscale begin to spread.

Whoa, such good chapters. I know, I'm so excited. I say this like every time we talk about shunt connington but i'm so excited i know i really can't wait to get there oh so much and of course this leads us into the windblown quentin and his crew have found their ticket to marine join the windblown to defend yunkai then turn cloak when they're close enough the other members sell sword company warn that they must prepare for a real fight a real battle against real unsullied and Then turn cloak when they're close enough. The other members sell sword company, warn that they must prepare for a real fight,

a real battle against real unsullied and a real live fire breathing dragon. Because the battle Quentin just fought in Astapor, barely a scratch, though it felt real enough. Fate though, throws them a bone when the tattered prince drafts a plan that falls perfectly in line with Quentin's own. And so the chapter begins. Legends and fairy tales aren't the only stories in Quentin's chapters. Rumors also surround him. For example, the dragon queen, they say, is heading south to ravage Yunkai. There's this great line that illustrates how rumors happen. Frog had it from Dick dick straw who had it from old bill bone

who had it from a pentoshi named miriam maracas who had a cousin who served as a cupbearer to the tattered prince like what does this mean girls politics on planetos is very much a game of telephone and it becomes hard to distinguish the truth from tales quentin is now a prince transformed into a frog a classic fairy tale even in this world as danny does note later but that it exists in real life also shows how martin is playing with these conventions the tattered prince's history is also shrouded in gossip maybe like the clothes that the tattered prince wears which is like i don't know joseph's technical or dream code but bad his history is

also a patchwork of lies and truths when the tattered prince was 3 and 20 as dick straw had told the story the magisters of pentos had chosen him to be their new prince hours after beheading their old prince instead he'd buckled on a sword, mounted his favorite horse, and fled to the disputed lands, never to return. He had ridden with the Second Sons, the Iron Shields, and the Maiden's Men, then joined with five brothers-in-arms to form the Windblown. Of those six founders, only he survived. And we're definitely going to come back to his character motivations in the spurn suitor what he wants and what he did but this also kind of reminds me of oberon in regards for what the tattered prince did with his life that he fought and rode everywhere and turned from his rule

interesting because the windblown are relatively new compared to the other cell sword companies that can cite their lineages some of them not all of them but can cite their lineages compared to the other sellsword companies that can cite their lineages some of them not all of them but can cite their lineages back to the century of blood which we discussed a bit ago in that baristan episode yeah and the windblown were founded around 270 ac they command only about 2 000 people on horse and foot but this reminds us that the tattered prince is actually not young whatsoever especially when he has his interactions in the barriston chapters as we kind of went back on it's something to think on he is about the same age as barriston if not older it kind of reminds me of one of our good friends joe magician 42 joe magician uh you can find him

on youtube on reddit on twitter but he has a great essay about Brienne being pretty Maris, basically pretty Maris. He has a great essay about how pretty Maris resembles Brienne if she had gone bad or if she had continued on with her life. And the Tattered Prince kind of reminds me as another version of Barristan. He's an elegant old man with a tattered cloak, always trying to get home, trying to go west. And of course, as Brown Ben Plum says, there are old sellswords and bold sellswords, but no old bold sellswords. I have a question. So you said that, like, the Windblown only commands about 2,000 people on horse and foot. Is that large or small compared to other sellsword companies? I don't know. Sorry to put that on you. i was like maybe chloe knows this because i don't so company of the cat they command about 3 000 the second sons are

about 500 storm crows i want to say are also about 500 horses so it's not uh the brave companions even have about a hundred so i mean it's relatively large but it isn't exactly company of the cat large uh it's no golden company etc okay okay i'm just curious to fit in quentin agrees to play jairus's squire which allows him to stay close but away from the thick of battle initially quentin's pride is kind of bruised he's earned the right to be called a knight and he put in the work for it i kind of wonder if there's like this air of youth in the way that Quentin takes offense to this initially. Barristan didn't seem to bristle at all at having to play the squire, and he's way older than Quentin, and of course has risen much higher as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

But I guess the reason why he can feel comfortable doing that is, I once you've made it as like lord commander of the king's guard like you don't have to prove yourself to anyone like he's made it and a lot of quentin's storyline as you can see is him feeling the need to prove himself i also have this question about knighthood uh as it exists in essos like it seems that this concept of a knight and a squire is known and accepted in Essos. We see it here with Quentyn and Jarrus. We see it again later on with Strong Belwas and, of course, Barristan. So we know that knighthood derives from that Andal tradition

and that the Andals and Andalos were originally located in Essos. So does the tradition of knighthood still survive in Essos because of that old location despite their migration to Westeros? Like could it have spread to the surrounding cultures and areas and just stuck around? I don't know. I've got a couple thoughts on that. I mean I guess when you think about it it's kind of like how some customs either stay like you were saying or even a lot of people that find that Westeros isn't exactly their brand of living and go east can find favor in those old traditions but I'd also go even farther to say that the idea of squiring stayed because it was wrapped up in slavery almost which we will get a

little bit into that uh historically in just a bit we learn more about the rumors that surround-long members. Good dick, Dario, he told them. But even he's not big enough for her. She wrote with a dothraki and grew accustomed to being fucked by stallions, so now no man can fill her. And Books, the clever Valentin swordsman who always seemed to have his nose poked in some crumbly scroll, thought the dragon queen both murderous and mad. Her cow killed her brother to make her queen. Then she killed her cow to make her queen. Then she killed her cow

to make herself Khaleesi. She practices blood sacrifice, lies as easily as she breathes, turns against her own on a whim. She's broken truces, tortured envoys. Her father was mad too. It runs in the blood. It runs in the blood. King Aerys too had been mad. All of Westeros knew that. He had exiled two of his hands and burned a third. Ifarius is as murderous as her father must i still marry her prince duran had never spoken of that possibility there's just so much to unpack oh yeah here like i can't even i just can't even like first off of course these are the sorts of rumors that the men in The Windblown are spreading about Daenerys, the Silver Queen, because, I mean, she's a powerful woman, you know, she's like out here and she's trying to get it and she's trying to like get her goals painting her as unstable or as promiscuous or as um as deadly you know there's a lot of i think freudian undertones of like that threat of castration that's why there's so much painted about her being like this this terrifying like murderous figure when

they're unable to control her or have her then they like think of her as this terrifying thing and you know it speaks they talk about like those powerful men that she cut down in her own like lust for power quote unquote powerful like her brother and then her call and how she manipulated them. And there's also some historical, I think, parallels here too. Yeah. And absolutely the big thing is, like you said earlier, it's the Westerosi game of telephone brought to Easterosi. You're looking at, she did kill a slaver and trick him with her dragons, but that's not necessarily really bad.

I mean, you're just looking at all these stories are being taken out of context she her brother did get killed not to make her queen not what she chose she did not choose that but it i mean she was khaleesi regardless of whether or not her brother was killed like he it's funny because she's the one who's painted as power hungry and like violent when we know that it was really Viserys who was all of those things. And now she's come to try to bring freedom and to liberate these cities and she's being painted as a complete villain for it. Yeah. Sure.

And I mean, like I said, you can really see George channeling some other like ideas from history here. Yeah. And I know a lot of people have made mention of something like Elizabeth Bathory being kind of a influence for this. And I don't know if I'd 100% say for this, there are some other things that might go along with it. But Elizabeth Bathory was a noble woman and well born. People claimed she was a serial killer in Hungary and in Transylvania in the Habsburg monarchy. And she and a few others were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of young women from the late 1500s until early 1600s with highest count estimate being 650, which came from a book a serving girl actually claimed she had overheard a court official say they saw in one of Elizabeth's

private journals. Her family's influence kept her from facing a trial, and she was held in solitary confinement until she died four years after that in 1614. I would say in the end, Bathory comes up, I don't know, a bit closer to a Cersei Qyburn kind of ordeal, if only because of the family ties keeping her off trial and the fact that everyone knows but no one's actually seen it. Rumor mill, like Bathory would kill serving girls, daughters of peasants, lure them in with offers for money and job as servants, and then kill them off. Beatings, burnings, cannibalism, mutilations,

flesh bitten off the faces, starving, freezing to death, needles, you name it, was brought up. I would even go as far to say Bathory has a great sort of parallel to Shira Seastar or Danielle Lothston with the rumor mill, which we'll definitely get into when we hit our Sansa chapters or our Arya chapters of the whole redheads are witches discourse but in this stake it serves kind of as an intense rumor mill circulating around daenerys yeah it's i guess i don't know it might have been true with bathory but yeah for sure and she rsc star and daniel lawson were some more of those like powerful women and it's interesting to see that similarity because i think this is definitely something we're going to see in westeros people have talked about it of course but like this is just a snapshot of what we're going to see regarding the reputation

danny's going to have when she comes into westeros that idea of like murderous and mad and i think that jairus ends up internalizing some of this messaging about danny a little too much because you can see how much he fears like her and like this powerful woman thing when he's like calling her a bitch and stuff like in marine uh in his exchange with barrison and he blames so much of quentin's death on danny whereas barrison's like uh it's because you didn't want to take responsibility for any of it and quentin on the other hand, he's met with Dany one-on-one, and while he still lives in these stories and ideas of adventure and how he felt his own tale of heroism should go, I give him the credit of willing to try and see past those rumors

and learn who Daenerys truly was, though he still kind of missed and couldn't grasp what her goals were so slaver's bay is a goddamn nightmare there are corpses everywhere children fighting no rules just chaos there's this line uh in it in this chapter that the priestess and her torn robes impaled upon a stake and attended by a cloud of glistening green flies this imagery just gives me such lord of the flies vibes that way that everything's going towards that violence and destruction that chaos and away from civilization it's becoming this world where there are no rules and along with it comes that loss of innocence for quentin and his crew and i don't know if it's necessarily

worth noting but I'm gonna make this connection anyway where like the Lord of the Flies refers to Beelzebub who is a prince of demons which I think ties in nicely with poor Quentin aka Emmett's like blogs and essays about talking about the characterization of the tattered prince as the devil to whom Quentin the character not the blog, has sold his soul to. And of course, there's this other great line that is some crazy imagery and kind of not so foreshadowing. And fires, fires everywhere. He could close his eyes and see them still. Flames whirling from brick pyramids larger than any castle he had ever seen.

Plumes of greasy smoke coiling upward like great black snakes. Rum bitch! We get it, he's gonna die. I know. Go home, Quentin. Go home! Just, like, go, like, play in the water gardens. Go be like Doran, you know?

Yeah, because that's gonna go well for him. I mean, it would go better if he did. Like, maybe they would avoid a lot of things if he did that yeah those kids are gonna die though yeah because of like him yeah he should have just gone home anyway go home quentin the cities uh are full of ashes or turn to ashes which is likened to snowflakes and you know it draws again that idea of like how far is it from ice to fire right it kind of reminds me of um in the show house of the undying visions when denari sees uh the throne room and snow is coming down or is it ash yeah i find that really

interesting that it just like the snow falling in King's Landing or the ash. That's what it kind of reminds me of. And I think we're going to see a lot of that coming up in the winds of winter coming out tomorrow. Next, you have Archibald, a.k.a. Green Guts, which is also an amazing name, getting really into his role play and asking Quentin if he's cleaned his armor. And the armor that he's asking about is like of the Windblown and it's been worn from like years of fighting but also years of different people wearing it. Frog's kit was only slightly better and Sir Jairus's was notably worse. Company Steel, the armorer, had called it. Quentin had not asked how many other

men had worn it before him or how many men had died in it they had abandoned their own fine armor in Volantis along with their gold and their true names wealthy knights from houses old and honored did not cross the narrow sea to sell their swords unless exiled for some infamy it sooner poses poor than evil Quentin had declared when Jairus explained his ruse to them, which of course, keep in mind that they abandoned all of their gold and their true names when they were in Volantis. So these guys are now poor Highborns. They're in banks. Right. It's in the bank. It's in Swiss bonds. Yeah, they're like, oh, great paper. We're going to come back to this. In many ways, it's funny that Quentin says like, I'd'd rather i'd sooner be poor

poses poor than evil like jordan's seen mostly justifiably as more egalitarian than like the rest of westeros because like of course women can inherit and rule and because of their society's more openness when it comes to sexuality but you can also see that they still very much have that classist structure uh even in our humblest of characters like quentin like sure poor is better than evil um but the wording like makes it seem like it's something disgraceful and also this idea i'm i'm like looking at these things now because you brought it up chloe like that shedding of old costumes and names that reminds me of that point you brought up in eddard's chapters where edd like has to borrow the clothes showing that he can't be himself in king's landing yeah and i mean

quentin shows more nut than just that in these chapters choosing his honor over what can get him ahead ambition wise ned refuses to play the High Lord's Game of Thrones and chooses the Honorable Brout, which gets him killed, and Quentin refuses to play an evil role to succeed in his plot. You know, if everything hadn't gone down the way it did, at least Ned, in some respects, knew when it was time to turn tail. He just didn't- he wasn't afraid to turn tail, you know, and go back home. It was a little too late.

Well, I think Quentin probably felt the same way when he was standing in front of the dragons, but too little too late. So the Tattered Prince then announces that they are riding for Meereen. And this causes Quentin to feel that they must enact their plan soon. And Jairus shushes them like, yeah, don't go like my god the plan in front of everyone like amateur hour I love the way though it's done that amateur hour is done because of the way that George RR Martin wants to build this like he's hinted a little bit earlier that there's a plan and now it's a brought up again with a little more urgency but it hasn't exactly been revealed which builds that suspense yeah and it's just like we

mentioned last episode that these chapters read a lot like how ned and barryson chapters sometimes read they immerse you in the action forcing you to pick up all the pieces in between by the time you've put those pieces together and what the state of action is you're already kind of in the midst of the action we get a sense of like some of the geography here. It's a six to eight day ride to Yunkai from Astapor. And they already have an idea of some of the Yunkish generals who are being carried around by their slave armies. And this harkens back to some of those points that we brought up in that Barristan Winds episode again,

where it shows how unprepared some of these slaver cities are for combat. I mean, also stilts yeah which we'll get to stilts i mean yeah we should do more research someone let's tell them to ask about this at worldcon uh quentin still really likes describing people as roaches and it's a word that he uses for the yunkish underlings what you mean quentin i would rather be a poor than an evil i guess martel it reminds you like yo yes quentin is a good boy disappointing his dad like all of us end up doing but like also the highborn like quentin is highborn i wonder if like this is an intentional thing or not i don't know he was born like that he keeps calling people roaches but like he was

born believing that he deserved something and he deserved this like highborn destiny um i guess yeah not necessarily his destiny as being a king but he he's he's become accustomed to being like highborn you know and while danny didn't grow up like that she grew up believing that she deserved visceri's abuse until one day she realized maybe i don't or Jon believing that he deserved to sit all the way at the far end of the table yeah yo Quentyn I got you this destiny at straight fire many of the windblown struggle to remember the names of the different Kaskari that they meet, since the sellsword company is, I guess, primarily made up of members from the Free Cities and Westerosi. And it kind of makes me wonder, like, why aren't there as many Kaskari, or maybe like Carthene citizens, or not citizens, but like people in any of these sellsword companies? Like, surely there's got to be some runaways from these

societies yeah and there may be some runaways but i think it boils down to they haven't really had the reason to since they've kind of banded together in the free cities like something in history that i've started to really understand in kind of this whole we've just been doing a lot of the slavers bay chapters so i'm kind of like getting it finally yeah the valeria straight up fucked them up dude which is why you see people like krazen's monoclaws rising up and denarius obviously shooting him down but geese is a proud old culture and when they were destroyed by the new dragon lords after a thousand years it left fragments of their people with nothing but slavery to carry their economy and highborn people. And there's that line in Dany 3 in A Storm of Swords where Krasin says,

Old Geese ruled an empire when the Valyrian were still fucking sheep, and we are the sons of the Harpy. It all comes down to exactly how Dany ends Krasin's. Dragons. The Valyrian won each time with dragons, five times to be be exact and geese was shot to shit each time and of course geese brought over slavery and inundated it into all the different free cities because that was what they had to survive on so that's what makes danny taking the unsullied and pulling her trickery with her dragons so intense which of course we'll come back to this in just a minute but and i think going back to all those comparisons that emmett was drawing last time between you know the vietnam war and quentin's chapters and of course george r martin was very influenced by the vietnam war he came

of age during that time and was protesting against it that's very much like what happened there like you can't we never think about it how a lot of the situation in vietnam was the instability that led to that war was because of the french occupation there and that's what created that power vacuum and when they had to pull out after World War II. Yeah, oh, definitely. I think that's such a great point to tie it all back to the way that the Valyrian Empire just destabilized everything. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, it's just like Emmett and you and i talked about last time that it's a wheel of time and here's the wheel again denarius has come with her dragons hey yeah and you know

to rub to throw salt on the wound i guess i mean they're not delirians whatever but like the wind blown give the giscari mocking nicknames because they can't remember anyone's names. So among the Ghiscari that we meet is the Yellow Whale, who we meet again in Tyrion's chapters. And it turns out to be his master, Yezen Zokagas. We also meet someone that they call Girl General. The other girl. Who is this?

Oh my god. That's our third host girl general oh god we should put we should put that listed somewhere girl general she's a 16 year old who she has she leads slave soldiers but she breeds them which is like really kind of messed up like what and people like i mean people really did that in real life people are terrible yep and she fancies herself a youngish daenerys targaryen which of course speaks to those external trappings uh as we were talking about earlier like just the external things that people see with danny but i think it it definitely misses the core of danny's character if what she's doing is breeding and leading like breeding slave soldiers to be like this army for her wait you're saying that's not what Dany's doing?

I thought that was it that's the story that's the song of ice and fire I mean hot take she couldn't she couldn't actually do that with Gensalid if she wanted to I mean like she couldn't either way too you know I mean you know when the wind blows

um doesn't really matter to me yeah me either doesn't really matter doesn't really matter okay mama just killed a man misha just killed a man okay yeah misa just killed a man yeah it's a lot like what we see in the brothel when jorah captures kyrian and the silver-haired sex worker it's the the denarius targaryen effect like i saw denarius wearing army shorts and flip flops so now i wear army shorts and flip flops you know i mean that's even though no one's seen her but we then also see little pigeon little pigeon. Little Pigeon! Little Pigeon. Pretty birb swag.

Okay. Who is himself apparently short, but he leads these soldiers on stilts, and he too is into breeding slaves, and he breeds tall slaves with other tall slaves with the hope that they're eventually going to get tall enough that he's going to dispense with the stilts. I guess that provides some context. I'm still confused. I still think it's a bad

strategy, but... It's hard to not kind of, like, shit on George for some of this because you're just like, what the fuck? But whatever. There might be historical context. I don't know. I get it, but it's also kind of like, okay, George, whatever. They're just... there might be historical context i don't know i get it but it's also kind of like okay george

whatever like yeah they're just why maybe it's not the best for war i don't know it just seems a little silly on the page you know kind of i guess suspension of disbelief i'm just waiting for like all the birds to come out wearing big marabou like feather boas and like on their stilts with like sparkly glitter eyeliner or something which i'm fine with but like maybe not the time it's not the time for this george or maybe it should be the time and that would would you call it we could call it the time of the birds oh we could the hour of the wolf it's the hour of the birds someone later calls something the hour of the ghost so like i don't see why we can't call it our verbs i call it the hours of the eliana i'm gonna call it whatever i want yeah exactly

apparently that's how this works yeah they literally just make shit up george george is just like saying things right now like god george even the little pigeon and his herons paled beside the folly of the brothers the sellswords called the clanker lords the last time the slave soldiers of yonkai had faced the dragon queens on sullied they broke and ran the clanker lords had devised a stratagem to prevent that they chained their troops together in groups of 10 wrist to wrist and ankle to ankle which we do see this during the battle of fire in the winds of winter which again reinforces perhaps not the best strategy it prevents them from marching fast and their irons announce where they're going to be

because it's so like what is even the point of having like slave soldiers if they're not like what is the point and apparently like the yunkai just like have no idea how to do a battle there's a couple things to break down here. It expands on Old Geese's defeat, but at the same time, it also kind of shows the kind of environment of their slaves and their slavery and how it's more important that they don't lose a single slave rather than, you know, lose or win. And it is definitely, though, an expansion to Old Geese being defeated, because once Old Geese was defeated, the Dragonlords turned to Yunkai to beat them into submission as well.

And the Yunkai learned slavery from the remnants of Geese, which is all they had. So, of course, this brings us to the Green Grace. See the Green Grace and the people that she mentions being beaten to slavery. Dude, she fucking hates Daenerys. Valyria caused their slavery. Like, she fucking hates Daenerys. Valyria caused their slavery. Like, Daenerys is that blood. Like, so Daenerys, she just wants to ruin her life, dude.

Like, she doesn't care. She's like, all right, I'm smart and I'll ruin it. So after the Valyrians fell in the Doom, they had nothing else to hold on to except slavery in these slavery cities, the Slaver's Bay. Geese took command of the slave trade because it was the one thing they already had a hold on and they slavery in these slavery cities the slaver's bay yeast took command of the slave trade because it was the one thing they already had a hold on and they were good at the young have never had to battle because they've just been a part of the overarching boot over the

slaver cities yeah there's just so much here that like explains how everything got this way and it's just it was a stability built on a silent violence. Yes. It wasn't peace. You see often that people say that Daenerys disrupted the peace in Slaver's Bay, but she didn't. It's not a free peace. Yeah, everything is chaos now. Yeah. It's a blood peace. It is still violence.

I also want to send, to just really change up the mood here like a shout out to the name lord bobble cheeks with this lot the windblown think it's no wonder that the other sellsword companies defected to denarius they're like oh my god this is who they hired this is what they have the windblown now are seem very apprehensive about facing real unsullied who are coming with dragons and they say it's going to be a real fight quentin feels what he experienced and asked for was a real fight which kind of shows how unprepared he is for these battles which kind of a meta perhaps on how unprepared we are for what's coming on the horizon and also just to add to that even, kind of the whole idea of, oh, what do you know of winter? You know, what do you know, you sweet summer child? You know nothing about it.

This is, he was not going to survive the winter, dude. He didn't even survive, like, the fall. Damn. All right. Off stage and days ago, Quentin and the Windblown apparently faced a Butcher King. Quentin thinks that he was trained in fighting but it's nothing compared to the actual like real thing which is a running theme throughout these books and probably will be very much for the winds of winter it's gonna be true for definitely

westeros when the others come and a quote he remembered jarrus sidling up just before the fight began stay close close to Arch. Whatever happens, remember, you're the only one of us who can get the girl. Which, like, no pressure, dude. You're the only one. To be fair, if Jairus had just said he was Quentin from the very beginning when they meet Daenerys, he might get the girl. You know, I mean, or he could dye his hair blue.

Or if he just grew a mustachio yeah you could get the girl but i is he gonna get is he gonna get that sweet dragon that sweet firepower i don't know i don't know i don't know probably not i if i were a dragon i'd roast them we roast them on this podcast so oh yeah okay and you know maybe if quentin just like stopped calling slaves and lower classes and other people like roaches i don't know maybe that would give him a better chance right like he enters this city and he's like i gotta get this girl to bang me out and then he's like also i hate her people yeah i'm a neg her people and that's gonna work fucking trash people trash ass slaves god trash people, trash ass slaves

god get a life trash ass slaves come on Quentin Quentin get your shit together Quentin go home no he doesn't you don't belong here Cleon the Great is finally killed I guess a second time by Kago

corpse killer, this is how he gets his name corpse killer but no one says it to his face because turns out the Astapori were so desperate to give heart to their insully that they took cleon's corpse and put him on a horse which like gives me some black water vibes with a renly's armor but you know grosser eat that peach girl get it i've been eating a lot of peaches this summer y'all i really love your peaches i want to shake your tree green boys screaming for their mothers he thought but he killed them all the same by the time he left the field his sword was running red with blood and his arm was so tired he could

hardly lift it which like apparently not a real fight no we finally get the real plan while quentin is fine with the physically dirty parts of adventure he hates the moral dirt they're going with the windblown to yunkai then turning clope to join the meronese despite their short time together quentin feels guilty about abandoning his new brothers which of course like quentin's kind of like the kid in your friend group as a kid like little seven year old that pushes up his glasses like Chucky Finster the whole time he's just like I don't know about this are we gonna get in trouble guys we're gonna get in trouble you guys I don't know

about all this are you telling me that Jairus is Tommy Pickles no Tommy's not that much of an asshole I know exactly he's Angelica Jairus is Angelica and Jairus That didn't work out as well as I was hoping. Maybe like Arch is Phil or Lil?

Archibald is definitely Phil or Lil. Phil. Yeah. Well, he's big enough he probably needs to be both of them, I guess. Or Spike. Spike. I'm Spike. And yeah, in response to that you know like jerry's is like yeah it's not honorable he's warning and i mean jerry still sucks but apparently he's the entire brains of this operation now somehow he's like lecturing

quentin on how the rumors about like danny Dany and her location, they're just rumors and, you know, he's warning them about when the right time is for them to defect. Quentin warns that Archibald might be getting too close to the Windblown and Archibald's going to feel bad about defecting, though I think actually Quentin's just talking about himself and is just pinning it on Archibald. Quentin's just talking about himself and is just pinning it on Archibald he says that they can't get caught like like you said he's all like oh no we're gonna get in trouble or else they're gonna like get tortured by pretty Maris and again check out Joe Magician's essay on the similarities between Brienne and pretty Maris then we get this great line because as we all know the gods are not good but for once the gods were listening and they are able to turn their cloaks even earlier. But the gods are still not good. My favorite, favorite plot. Turn cloak. Die harder.

Oh my god, that is what it is. It literally is. It's too much. Oh my gosh. The Tatter Prince announces that they have a new job. Now we are chasing away the starving and sick astapore chase them either back home or north to marine you know it sounds like a good idea going home but that conveniently enough um he wants the tattered prince wants some of his men to defect to the other sellsword companies that are serving Daenerys like why

this is so weird that's what we want to do oh my god I've never thought of that before which of course this is like step one in Quentyn's journey failing as hard as like it does stuff is going way too easy which kind of

reminds me of Barristan Selmy's The Winds of Winter chapters cause he's the winds of winter chapters because he's gonna die but i digress i just don't think he's gonna die then but now that you are bringing up our previous pvos povs it's also like ned's chapters where everything seems like it's going too well yep the gods are never good the tattered prince tells everyone that they each have their own like nice little sob story to tell of why denarius should take them in and like turns out everyone in this camp is like awful they're all terrible people we also get this great little easter egg if any of you have ever read

the duncan egg novellas especially the Sword, which is the sexiest of all of the Song of Ice and Fire stories, in my humble opinion. It's the hottest. There's just so much tension. And we get this person with the name Weber, and is it a descendant, maybe, of Lady Rohan Weber?

And the Tattered Prince says of him that he nurses claims to Lance Lost in Westeros. So, like, definitely. That's definitely who he is. Yeah, it has to be a descendant from Coldmoat of some sort. And it wouldn't surprise me at all, especially because earlier on in this chapter, we got that line about knights defecting from Westeros because they you know are infamous or whatever and they defect over to Easteros because they can't live there anymore oh my god it would be so amazing if he was also back in Westeros trying to reclaim his lands with I don't know like

Dany's camp and stuff especially with the whole Blackfyre thing another Blackfyre rebellion yeah because all we're seeing right now are back and forth, just the outlines of the families coming forward and who's going to support who. Obviously, we know Dorne is going to fall into the Blackfyre camp. They will have the Ironwood support, as the Ironwoods have supported for many, many years with Blackfyres on and off in the previous wars. So it's definitely interesting. We get that quote from the Tattered Prince,

The best ruses always have some seed of truth. And I think this seems to be a role that a lot of the good players of the Game of Thrones live by in these books. It also works, I think, on a meta level as well. Hemingway has been known to say, all you have to do is write one true sentence and that's how he would start his writing.

He would just find one true sentence and from there riff on that continue writing and of course you know george r martin i think subscribes to a similar idea of thought when it comes to writing like he went to the same journalism school as hemingway over at northwestern um not at the same time of course because time and you know there's that necessity for human truth in order for fiction to feel believable and that's why everyone loves the song of ice and fire so much because we really just feel ourselves in it in the story so of course archibald my favorite big man is like well this is fucking great a motherfucking dragon hunt like he's over there like i just finished puking dude like off the boat like i just finished we're going on a dragon hunt

all right all right and that brings us to our next lightning round as we get ready to do this other quentin chapter and again we're only doing the Essos chapters because, like, half the entire book goes by. There are only four Quentin chapters, okay? So. Tyrion VIII. Captured and stuck in Volantis, Jorah and Tyrion find themselves in

the merchant's house, and they're hearing news that the Golden Company is headed west without Tyrion. Oh no. They speak with the widow of the waterfront, a triarch in Volantis, who gives them a message to deliver via the trading cog

Selesori Koran and to tell Daenerys that they are waiting. Tell her to come soon. In Daenerys 5, Dany counts enemy ships in the harbor and has also counted the success of her betrothed in keeping the murders down in Meereen the bloody flux is creeping into Meereen

and Dany has been advised to keep survivors out of the city she realizes that she must marry Hizdar for the good of her city we have a Dany chapter again Dany 6 Daenerys visits a camp of the dying ordering the living fed and to be cleaned.

And the dead burnt. Daario returns and Daenerys gets that good dick. Good dick, Daario. Get it. Get it, girl. I also love that she straight up tells Barristan in that chapter, as we discussed during the Barristan chapter, keep him away from me. I never want to see him again.

And then, like, he comes back and she's like, I lied. And I mean, who hasn't done that once? Right, right, right. Or like, don't let me, don't let me text him back. Don't let me text him back. That's literally what that was. In The Watcher, Erioh Hotha surveys the room as Balan Swan presents Gregor's head.

And Duran summons his daughter and the Sand Snakes to pledge their loyalty and carry out his super special Master Dornish plan to get vengeance for their lost loved ones. Oh my god. What? Doran has a master plan. Right? Master plan.

Master plan Doran. For sure, Zs. Master plan is death for all people. Alright tyrian nine tyrian joss on a pig and a storm cripples the trading cog tyrian penny and jorah are captured by a slaver ship right real straightforward that was it you can really condense those tyrian chapters honestly that's what happened in denarius seven denarius meets three dornish men who bring gifts for her and they are not frankincense gold or myrrh quentin martell reveals a secret marriage pact between ariane and viserys and denarius remembers the prophecy from quayt turning quentin away to marry hisdar

meaning messiah vibes tyrian 10 tyrian jorah and Penny are almost bought by Brown Ben Plum of the Second Sons, but instead they're purchased by a man named Yezzin. Oh, there you go. Oh, oh. They are later summoned to perform for Yezzin and his guests, and Tyrion excels in Savas, winning money for his new master. Yezzin announces they will perform in Dasnok's pit for the Silver Queen in the city of Meereen. Daenerys VIII, Meereen is being besieged by Yunkai and its allies, holding a slave market right outside the city. Hostages are exchanged to ensure peace during the ceremonies to come, and Daenerys speaks with Brown Ben Plum, wondering what the right thing for her to do is and how to convince them to come to her side. She speaks to the Dornish envoys, but Dany refuses to abandon her city and advises them to leave. She returns to bed with her

new husband, allowing him to have his drunken way with her before passing out. Missandei comforts Daenerys while she fails to fall asleep. Which brings us to Daenerys IX. The fighting pits have reopened, and chaos ensues. The smell of blood brings Drogon to the pit, and Daenerys mounts and tames him, flying away from her problems at last. In the Queensguard, which we've visited before, Barristan tries to keep the peace and do what Daenerys would want of him, but finds himself battling honor in a city that seems more foreign to him than ever set aside by king his dark Barristan begins to uncover a deeper plot like y'all don't know what happened yeah we've been there we've been there the iron suitor it's just the Betty Hill theme yuckity sex that's it Victarorian is outside of slaver's bay ready to go marry danny but his arm

wound is gross and he could die of infection but then they find makoro and makoro is all i'm gonna fix your arm and he does in tyrian 11 the pale mare affects the slavers outside a marine and their master is dying tyrian penny and jorah escape the grasp of the slavers and meet with That brings us to the Discarded Knight. The Myrines demand the dragons be put down and other courtly betrayals. Barristan advises the Dornishmen to leave. Yes. Okay, before something deadly befalls them. Dun dun dun!

And this leads us right into the Spurn suitor. Quentin Martell's companions press him to return home while they all have their health, but Quentin chooses to stay in the east until he finds Daenerys. He attempts to strike a deal with the Tattered Prince, hoping to hire the Windblown, but their betrayal left a sour taste in the Tattered Prince's mouth. When double the gold doesn't sound good enough, Quentin reveals his plan to steal one of Daenerys' dragons. The prince names his ultimate price.

His home, Pentos. Jairus returns to the pyramid at the hour of ghosts sounds made up okay you can just our fucking our tequila all right my favorite i think he found yeah i mean he found some of the windblown drinking in the meronese cellars it is that time all right he finds old bill bone beans books bill bone daggons uh kudos to kudos to chloe for coming up with that. Anytime. Jera slips Beans a gold dragon to keep him from slicing him open as a deserter and to get a message delivered. Apparently, everyone

on the Windblown's pretty pissed about the desertion by the Dornishmen. What? Yeah, so this meeting's definitely gonna happen, if not, like, because they're willing to meet with him, but also just so they can murder the shit out of them jurors you know dropping that wisdom here he comments that they should be heating beerists and saw me like he says when beerist in the bowl tells you to run a wise man leases up his boots and like they should like run bitch as we said earlier

get the fuck out yeah drink like this is the nicest thing i'm ever gonna say about him so pay attention man men all men this is he kind of nutted up during this trip but like he's just kind of a goddamn dick bag dude like i hope we get hate mail about how much i hate men apparently because that's what that means but literally i only do if their name is drink yeah honestly i'm surprised we haven't yeah just that one time um volantis quentin thought then lease then back home back the way i came empty-handed three brave men dead for what you know this is a question that like we try and answer all the time you know like turn down for what and i mean what's the point of four dead men

to quentin that's my question like ever think of that what's the point of four dead men and do like sirens going off bingo like she said it bitch turn back now before you get to the dragon's lair that's typical fairy tale like you turn back there's signs on the wall that literally say turn back and here they are they keep going quentin thinks about how he wants to see the green blood again sunspear and the water gardens he wants to breathe the beautiful the crisp mountain air and ironwood compared to like the air in slaver's bay he thinks but he knows that he'll see the disappointment in his father's eyes and he thinks how his sister would be scornful and the sand snakes would be merciless and facing lord ironwood after losing his son and of course just like we talked about last week with

arianne and the sand snakes and their scorn and how he grew up with them probably making fun of him terribly because he's the younger brother and of course the disappointment of lord ironwood hurts the most of all of this of him losing his friends i never meant for any of you to die quentin thinks our poor sad son indeed our poor sad son and regarding that i think everyone just needs like all the people back indoors just like shut the fuck up because like this entire journey was way harder than anyone else thought it would be like quentin isn't just sailing across the world like it is in normal times like this isn't the

same essos that oberon visited like sure while oberon spent a lot of time in the disputed lands and those were like involved in skirmishes and wars like that was still a mostly peace that was still like a mostly quieter essos right like everything wasn't falling apart this is a war-torn continent and doran didn't think that through and because of doran's lack of foresight and planning quentin and his friends are paying the price there's so many and i guess it's kind of like the chosen boy hero journey kind of thing but it kind of there's just so many harry potter goddamn parallels with this like with quentin telling his friends to go that this is his task and he'll see it to the end and archibald says that he and drink will stay if he stays which of course as we know

yes quentin is saying please go and being selfless but he's the one that dies he's not harry potter he's not the boy who lived during this yeah he's one of the weasley twins oh that's not i mean you could say that's a pretty that's a holy comparison i know i really liked them all right he's i don't know there's no corollary for quentin i guess no but i mean it's really just the hero yeah it's the hero's journey but it's also the fact that sometimes you're not the hero sometimes in life you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug you know and quentin's the bug the roasted bug dude damn yeah and i mean like

instead you know archibald's like yeah he's gonna just stay and i'm like is archibald taking this seriously i'm sure or maybe archibald's just really committed to his mission i don't know if anything i think both of them are committed to Quentin. I think, yeah. That's true. They do stand by their boy. Especially when they blame everything on Daenerys later. But anyways. Dickbag.

And Denzel of Dahan turns up at Quentin's door the very next evening, telling him the prince will meet him by the spice market. The door will be marked with a purple lotus they say which is interesting because of course purple signifies royalty for the tattered prince but the lotus is usually a symbol of purity and the mind generally so i'm not sure exactly if that's supposed to mean anything but it is interesting uncle iroh's there

yeah um that's exactly what's happening That's what it feels like to me Quentin arranges for both princes himself and the tether prince to bring only two men so Denzel leaves advising him to come at sunset

and not be followed The Dornishmen then leave an hour before sunset and Quentin and Jairus wear their sword belts. Archibald has his warhammer slung across his back. I love that he calls Arch the big man, by the way. I've grown very endeared and I've grown very fond of Archibald in these chapters so far.

I'm like, I love the big man. He's my favorite. He's nice. I'm not sure I get him. I get him. I love the big man he's my favorite he's nice I'm not sure I get him I get him I get him I understand him I don't think I get him I speak Archibald you just need to what we need to do is we need to do an Archibald episode and we're gonna do that that'll be our first Patreon episode available next and I'm just kidding we're not doing that I mean unless we do a Riverdale episode, Archie. Stop. Jairus once more tries to get Quentin to abandon this impossible task,

quit while you're ahead, but to no resolve. Jairus highlights they broke a pact of honor, which is very serious to do to these mercenaries that have been around for oh, you know, 60 years almost. Well, 40. Whatever. I don't do math. 30 years. I don't do math and years i don't do math okay and it said pretty maris can stretch a man's dying out for a whole moon's turn

which like i feel that you know one from one menstrual cycle to the next it's also how i measure things that's when i time some of our threads on the subreddit yeah which also brings me to like wait a second like is that like the westerosi period joke of like when girls are on their periods they're mad is that what he was saying also is like is this a period piece oh i i wish it were i don't think that's what they're thinking but it's it's a thing i relate to and so i'm going to impose that on the story thank you me too project project project project project project just like how Quentin projects wanting to not defect onto Argybalt.

And how Barristan projects on Daenerys. Anyways. Yeah. Anyways, so although Tatters, the Tattered Prince, wanted them to pretend to go over to the Stormcrows, they were never supposed to do it for realsies. So, uh, some of Tatter's

men, they're, like, still in the dungeon their names are sir orson uh dick star that's not even like yeah that's my name someone within their camp you know dick star like same dog uh hunger ford will of the woods yeah dick star dick star my new fave name quentin counter is like yeah we kind of fucked up but tatters loves gold which jrs counter is like yo we don't have that to give them left like you realize that right like we we abandon that we abandon that it We abandon that. It's in the bank. You have to get all the way back there. Yeah, the nearest ATM is, like, three moons turns away from us. Back in fucking Volantis. Yeah.

Jairus comments that the city's peace is garbage. Not untrue. Half the city is calling the dragon slayer Hargaz a hero, and half spit blood at his name. Arshibald calls him Harzu because they all sound the same to him, like his dar, humzum, hognog, what does it matter? I called them all Harzu. He was no dragon slayer. All he did was get his arse roasted black and crispy. We stan! He was so brave. Would I have that courage to face that monster with nothing but a spear? Foreshadowing!

Yeah, all he brought was his sudden spear. He became his sigil. Yeah, pretty much. He died bravely, is what you mean. He died screaming. He died screaming! Go home, Quentin. Just go home. Quentin attempts to defend his choice, that he has dragon blood in him centuries back, and

Jairus actually tries to talk some sense into him. This is what I have to do for Dord, for my father, for Cletus and Will and Maester Kedri. They're dead, said Jarrus. They won't care.

All dead, Quentin agreed. For what? They bring me here so I might wed the Dragon Queen. A grand adventure, Cletus called it. Demon roads and stormy season. At the end of it, the most beautiful woman in the world. A tale to tell our grandchildren. But Cletus

will never father a child unless he left a bastard in the belly of that tavern wench he liked. Will will never have his weddings. Their deaths should have some meaning. That was not my question. Men's lives have meaning, not their deaths. I loved Will and Cletus too, but this will not bring them back to us. This is a mistake, Gwent. You cannot trust sellswords. And, again, for once, Jairus- Ugh, this is so painful to say out loud.

Jairus actually sounds kind of normal, you know? I'm kind of, like, annoyed at, like, how the voice of reason in this chapter is Jairus, and, like, how much sense he's been making these past two chapters, but, like, you know, I get it. I get along, I also get along with frat boys, I got a bunch of friends who are frat boys. And, to be fair, maybe it's the framing. Like, Quentin knows Jairus, and it's, like you said, like, how dudes support their shitbag friends and ignore

their shitbags, because, yes, Barrison's POV might be a different generational look at people and different point of view, but Jairus straight up still has some dickbag things. And, okay, to double back on that, to be fair, his friend did just die, so he's probably just, like, you know, like, reaching out and being a dickbag, but he's still a dickbag.

Yeah, he could be, like, in that grief of, um, that stage of grief denial. He's in denial about, like, his role. Later on, he'll get to the anger and the depression part. Wouldn't you say he's closer to the roin? Ayyyyy. Thanks. Don't you say he's closer to the roin? Ay.

Thanks. And, yeah, I mean, again, I have dick-back friends that, like, I also like and I keep them around because they make good friends. Sometimes I wonder, am I the dick-back friend? I don't know. Though, you know, with some further analysis, like, in The Merchant's Man, Quentin was talking about how he felt like he was the only one who was taking this entire like journey seriously. And he felt that Jairus was treating this like entire adventure like a game despite the deaths of their friends. But I think that maybe part of, for me, maybe part of it is like the battle in Nassau. Like despite it not being a real battle by windblown standards, maybe it like woke something up in Jairus to the reality of what they're facing now because now he's just like we need to go home like this this is a dumb idea all over this is bad like yeah this is a bad idea like it's straight up it's over quentin it's done

you're not gonna get the girl like that's what this is so just i mean quentin's in denial yeah exactly and like his whole plan we're about to learn is to go chase after denarius like that's not gonna happen she's on a dragon somewhere dude like do you know where dragons can go they fly away far away they fly like past continents or like you know like as a lot of people maybe even like jerry's they think that she's been eaten and she's dead you know like they're like it's over yeah it's done you know as you as you read aloud like him saying like i loved will and cletus also but this isn't gonna bring them back to us like it's not it's not worth it and along with all this quinnan thinks that he trusts in my own destiny. I am a prince of Dorne and the blood of dragons is in my veins.

Yeah, I'm just like, Quentin, what are you doing? Like your own destiny, like your own destiny does not mean shit. Like it's funny that for all the foolish choices that Quentin makes, like sometimes it feels as though he's just not actually making choices consciously, or intentionally, does that make sense? He's just kind of letting himself fall into this lapid deity, and he's like, oh, I could not help it. This is my destiny. I had to do this. And spoiler, it's not. Yeah.

The flames of dragons are what's in your veins kid not the blood he had a chance to save his friends to take them from this hell city to leave and the warnings were all there the flames spiraling around him the dead bodies and he stayed he pressed on sometimes life isn't about being the hero sometimes being the hero isn't about acting boldly it's acting with the way to save lives before more innocents are butchered. Like Egg, lighting up Summerhall to try to hatch dragons for his family's destiny? That's not what's right sometimes,

and it makes people like Dunk have to clean up the fucking mess and die the hero, the true hero. Mm-hmm. Quentin knocks twice upon the door with the purple lotus, says the secret password, and he is let in. They are let into the door by an old woman who is wearing a fringed dark red tocar with tiny golden skulls fringing it.

Which, of course, further foreshadowing through clothing clothing the old woman's tiny golden skulls are basically quentin's tiny skull wrapped in flame in gold i mean george wouldn't have referenced this old woman's outfit i mean this is straight up foreshadowing through clothing this old tiny woman and then there's obviously this description of her of how her hair is modeled and white and disappearing and she's old and wrinkled and i mean this is a woman we will see once we will never see this woman again in this entire story but george took the time to describe her it's very obvious foreshadowing through clothing also i just love this fashion statement yeah me too like very edgy yeah they make their way through the under cellar, down steep, twisting stairs.

Arjabold pulls his dagger for protection as they near the bottom, and Jarrus brings up the rear. They emerge in a brick vault with a red lantern hung on the door hook and a black candle on a barrel, the only light. Taggo, corpse killer, paces the wine vats armed with his rock. Maris cradles a crossbow and denso bars the door i just want to throw this question out there for people like do you think that when denso kills someone he says like to them like as a catchphrase like you're done so like do you think that's a thing that he does i think i'm quitting the podcast is what i think oh Oh, so you're Dunzo. Oh my fucking God. One too many, Quentin thinks.

The company ignored his terms and made their own. The tattered prince sits sipping a cup of wine with chain mail glittering beneath his plain cloak. Quentin comments, the prince looks different without his usual rags and the prince offers them food and drink.

Juris counters that they brought three when two were agreed a piece the prince comments that pretty maris is no man which like lololol i get it there are no men like maris only maris i feel like that's like the best jamie quote to use for anything like it's just such a pompous idiot line like there's no men like me, just me. Like I could use it for everyone. Yeah. Oh, I was thinking, I was thinking Tolkien. Oh yeah, that works too.

Yeah. The Dornish crew offer their apologies for deceiving the Windblown and the Tattered Prince shrugs. He cares not for their reasons, but of what they can do to make it up to them and earn the windblown crew back the windblown make fun of quentin's failure in marrying daenerys commenting it's a pity they didn't desert them sooner to marry her i still like that quentin thinks of danny charitably here um they say that she laughed at him and especially compared to how Quentin's friends see the situation like and of course Barristan explains it too like I don't know if Quentin's misremembering the situation by saying that Daenerys didn't laugh but I interpret it as him

seeing it as Daenerys not laughing at him because she's not she's laughing at how it parallels the story of the frog prince you know and as we see in this chapter Quentin may have some understanding of languages like he uses the slave's tongue as they say to get into the purple lotus location and I mean this would have been like way better for him to have earlier on in his journey but like whatever right I also think like I know earlier you would kind of mentioned he didn't really seem to get the scope of it but i feel like anyone could really see danny's predicament if they looked hard enough and archibald and jairus may not be in the

mindset quentin is quentin has taken on this task that he knows is huge and what it relates to is daenerys being the queen and conquering westeros with her dragons and he beside her and gaining vengeance for Elia. The entire idea of people like Elia shouldn't die because of the political game, that's not what should happen. So Quentyn may be more oriented in the mind of politics than the other two are, and he might just understand that the sad smile Daenerys gave him wasn't because he's an average looking frog, but because she has a people to protect. And that's something that he's thinking that he would have to do if he were married to her. Yeah, and it's something that maybe, for some part, I could see Doran trying to instill that in Quentin, because you can see that's part of why he stayed out of the war for so long.

of why he stayed out of the war for so long the situation of the masters surrounding marine is discussed and we learned that yezen sokagas is dead they claim marine and yunkai have reached peace which like lol yeah i'm so sure but the tattered prince knows that war changes daily and someone surely will have need of their swords tatters breaks it down after he finishes his wine he's like look y'all are proven oathbreakers and liars you come into my house you try to join up with me again all to steal a friggin dragon that's what you want like bro give me some more here like level level yeah i just like also it's funny because i don't think and as we know quentin cannot pull it off but but the deal and the way that quentin is trying to like do this in some ways i get very tyrian lannister vibes from this exchange um again with less faith

in quentin's ability to do the whole thing um whether it's like actually paying them back or like pulling the wool over their eyes because around this chapter close to this chapter you have that moment where Tyrion is signing the second sons into his service and he's promising them all of this gold he also doesn't have it on him now but he's like just just help me take Casterly Rock and he got it we got it it's fine and like he does this again you know he promises a whole place to people with like the veil when with the mountain clans there and he's like yeah I'm gonna give you the eerie like and he's probably gonna follow through on that promise but like Tyrion's the kind of person who can do that Quentin's the kind of person who's gonna go die well and that's what's really interesting now that you say that, because I think we can look forward to Tyrion being the actual person to give Pentos to the Tattered Prince.

Yeah. I think that's a lot of buildup to Tyrion being the person to do that. I think Barristan will die, so no dice there. But I think Tyrion will probably foster that agreement to foster almost that peace I wouldn't call it a peace I guess but to give that control over for Pentos and to help affect the free cities something else interesting here is in the previous chapter we learned that when the tattered prince is 23 he's offered the lifestyle to eventually be magister of Pentos and rule but turns it down to adventure and fight and now here he is seeking to rule over

Pentos. Of course, we know that the Tatter Prince soon asks Barristan for the same exact thing. He's not bending on this Pentos thing. This is an old man's regrets from a 40-year lifestyle of fighting, much like Barristan has many years of regrets, and now the Tatter Prince wants what was once his to take. And just like poor Quentin has said, and Eliana reiterated, Quentin made a deal with the devil, and Barristan needs to be warned that when you make a deal with the devil, you're going to get burnt. It is really, I just don't get the Tattered Prince.

And we don't get much of him. We'll probably learn more about him in wins when we do this whole like taking pentos and pentoshi arc because of course tyrian's also come going to come with the information that oh by the way illyrio's supporting this guy named like young griff who's really competing against you but along with all of that like i i am curious as to what the tattered prince is all about because the pentoshi system is really weird like they elect this one person to be their leader and he's gonna rule and stuff and it's gonna be great but the moment

anything goes wrong they're like oh we're gonna execute this guy and maybe the tattered prince was like no this is a this is absolutely like a poison apple i refuse to take this yeah but i don't know we don't know anything we don't know enough about him yeah that's an interesting point you bring up too like maybe he didn't want that because he knew he would be in danger of taking it and now maybe he realizes he can change the system i think we'll definitely learn more about it in tyrian chapters in the winds of winter i think that is going to be our window into it uh but i think that's it for the spurn suitor and for of course the windblown yeah and next time of course we'll be doing the chapter oh that's literally the name

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