Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 239 — AFFC Cersei X

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

And so we close our coverage of A Feast for Crows for good... with a diva down. affuck. --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon Reads, A Song of Ice and Fire, Episode 239, Cersei 10, in a feast for crows. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I'm another one of your hosts, Eliana. And you may notice that I briefly almost laughed at the episode number today. And that is because, folks, for the last several weeks, I've fucking lied to you about what number episode it is. How did this happen? I'm here to address the community of the cancellation of Chloe from Girls Gone Canceled. I mean Girls Gone Canon.

Um, I just wrote like the wrong episode title number. That's how that happened. So if you notice that we the last couple weeks have said a different episode number than what it now should say in your podcast feed. Yeah. That would be it. That would be... I'm sorry.

I will do better. Maybe. I'll try to do better in the future moving forward. Look, when you have this many podcast episodes, it's just hard to just juggle and keep the numbers straight after a while. When you're just as old as we are, it's just hard to keep the numbers straight. Obviously, sometimes I forget my age. I'm at that state now. I have to stop and I have to think and be like, how old am I? And that's just what it's like with the podcast now.

Well, we have celebrated many a Christmas together, grandmama. I'm really glad to have one more with you. If you, old bitch. No, I'm just kidding. You're not that old actually. I'm Santa Claus. You actually are sometimes.

Jesus, more like, you know, probably Santa Claus. Santa baby, we're coming down your chimney tonight with a holiday schedule. A holiday schedule, thank you. That was what I call a segue. Next week, you will not get in a Song of Ice and Fire POV episode because this is the last POV episode of 2024. We are finishing a feast for crows and heading into the future to a dance with dragons. This is it. It's so wild. No more feasts.

I can't believe it. It's the last holiday feast ever. Last feast ever. We are no longer feasting. That sucks. I hate that. As we kill feast though it's kind of funny because the boys begin feast. The Nauticast boys are finally in a feast for crows as we leave a feast for crows. So now we need to travel around the sun and get back to them to a dance with dragons when they're there.

Right? That's our new goal. So, race against the clock here, folks. Race against the clock. But if you're missing a feast for crows after this chapter, highly recommend you go follow the Nautica's journey through a feast for crows. It's sure to be a riot. Indeed, indeed.

Well, a couple of riots going on throughout the series, the threat of some in this very chapter. Even though, even though we are closing out Feast, we do still have a couple of things on our plates for you this holiday season. So, for example, we are serving up our very first Hunger Games episode to you all next week for the holidays. This is, as Chloe pointed out last week, a gift from our patrons, also from us, and that I really like this episode. That'll be coming out for you next week. Yes.

It's a really great series. Seriously. I mean, seriously, so far, seriously, so far, I've really enjoyed covering it. Putting the scope and eye to it like we do with the A Swap series is really incredible. Suzanne Collins is in a way a little more simplistic than George in the gardening, right? Not so much a gardener, but it's, I don't know, if you haven't read the Hunger Games books, I highly recommend it. I think it's very easy to write them off as YA or like, you know, oh, I wouldn't read those,

they're kind of too pop-cultury and prominent. They're actually like simplistic in a beautiful tragic way with some really solid quick prose and I mean the plot. You can get lost in them. It's a very easy winter read. So maybe you should read it this holiday if you're with family and need a quick book escape. We are releasing this for you because we tend to release a couple Patreon episodes a year thanks to our patrons who

support us constantly. We are very appreciative of you. These bonus episodes that we release for the public are just a way to show you what's going on for us over at Patreon and what we do constantly in releasing these episodes. This episode for us was our 64th, I know you don't have trust with me right now when it comes to episode numbers guys, but it was our 64th Patreon episode ever released and we're well into the 70s and 80s soon of Patreon episodes. So come check it out, patreon because I'm very excited for what we have coming for the rest of this series and who we're gonna have. We're gonna have some guests on for the Hunger Games, but also we're gonna have our guests. We're gonna have some of our guests as well for Circe Lannister in A Dance with Dragons.

We're gonna have part two of people coming over for Circe. I'm really excited for these. As we get into A Dance with Dragons, we couldn't close out Cersei's plot without these two. First up for A Dance with Dragons, Cersei 1, which we will be returning January 10th to your feeds a couple weeks holiday off. Go be with your family, be with your friends, watch your favorite shows, watch new shows, watch movies, read books, be merry, spend money, capitalism, whatever you want to do.

Come back to us on January 10th, because here on January 10th you're going to hear our friend Margo. They are a Circe expert. They love everything Circe. I love to read everything they have to say about Cersei. They constantly are tweeting great threads, great quotes, great introspective looks into Cersei. And not just Cersei, they're actually a wonderful person to follow on a lot of the social media for A Song of Ice and Fire. Constantly just bringing up what's

your favorite character, what's your favorite quote, what's your thing that reminds you of this character? Just a really thoughtful person, and I'm really excited they're going to come spend some time with us here on the podcast and talk Cersei one. And then next, for the one two punch, we have Alicia from Dire Wolf City coming on for Cersei two in A Dance with Dragons to close off Cersei with us and like, she kind of is a closer, I think, you know? I could see Alicia being a closer, listen.

No, really, it's Margot setting it up, teeing it up, and just Alicia's gonna come in and nail it. I'm hyped. It's the perfect one too for the new year. I've never wanted to be in Cersei A Dance with Dragons mode, A, and B, never wanted to be there alone. So having you and them, it's gonna be great. They're gonna be two amazing episodes. And I think we're gonna get probably a little introspective about, like, reviewing what we've talked about with Cersei, because I feel like this has been an amazing POV. I've had such a blast

covering Cersei, you know, beyond the idea of like, I think it's very easy to take Cersei at face value, right? It's very easy to read a Cersei chapter and be like, oh, like, D from always, Sunny, you stupid bitch. But Cersei's not just sweet D, okay? Like she is also so dimensional and her chapters have so much plot in them that's being set up for the Winds of Winter. So someday when the Winds of Winter, like caches of wildfire, are going off in our hands, remember these chapters. Remember these episodes. Remember that. Yeah. I mean, like last I heard, right? But granted, this was a few years ago. George was writing those Cersei chapters. So we know there are Cersei chapters in The Winds of Winter.

He wrote a whole cache of them. A cache of them, he said. Theoretically. Theoretically. Yeah. So I'm very excited for these chapters. I'm excited for the wins chapters as well. But I mean, I think that this has been such a ride and I'm really happy with like doing the Searcy chapters, but we do want to make sure that we are ready. We are ready for our final two POVs because they're both really big ones and they both take a lot of chapters. And I think that while many of the other POVs that we've covered are very much at the heart of the books, these two POVs almost choose, I'm not even gonna say their names,

because they need no introduction. Almost choose. Yeah, they need no introduction, which is why we're going to give them a bit of an introduction in a way of a little bit of a waiting period right? Yeah once we finish Cersei 2 January 17th 2025 we will take a little break we're going to take some time off we will be pausing the patreon for this time we will release a couple of episodes in this time it sounds like we're leaning towards covering Magical Girls Gone Cannon, Sailor Moon.

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We need help on that one. If you have ideas, email us for real. Yeah, well, speaking of emails, we do have emails and tweets of note that we are doubling back on a couple that we collected the past few weeks. Yeah, our friend Juniper commented on Podbean and said, I had a left field idea for the identity of the Valonqar. I thought it was interesting. It fits George's idea of the sort of prophecy he likes, as per the quote about the tavern that had the name of the castle, a man was avoiding so he wouldn't die there, is it

could be the second sons. Being a second son is definition a little brother, although Cersei would have had to be successfully forced back to the rock first. Also, mistranslation by the septa, right? Magi could have been using a regional dialect or something else that makes it kind of more personal and that Cersei might have missed. Interesting. Yeah, the second son is a pretty good idea.

It is an interesting idea, especially with the way that they've been playing a role in Daenerys' story, who is another potential contender for a younger, more beautiful queen. Though, I don't know, again, I just keep talking myself into it being Tyrion. Just like, the lulz. But also they play such a big role in his story. Yeah, no, that's true, actually. He is connected to them. That's what I was thinking initially.

Yeah, it does work all together on multiple levels because, I mean, he is also, yeah, all that. I mean, if the Second Sons are a part of why Cersei gets ousted of King's Landing and meant to go west in a way too, right? If both a second son, Jaime, is the first, so that doesn't count, but if Tyrion was it and the Second Sons are the reason she leaves and then Tyrion's a mouse the reason she dies, I could see that working. Yeah, I'm not married to either, but Honestly, it does work

Well, if it is all those things together because then you can't really point to one thing in In a way that I think works well, right? Like which of these is the orchestration that makes you happier? Right? Like which of these is the orchestration of the downfall? That makes you happier? Yeah, well no, it just like, all of these, it keeps that sort of mystery of is the prophecy there, is it not? And like obviously, yes, but the inability to pin it down on just one thing kind of adds to the way that I think A Song of Ice and Fire treats prophecy. It's vague, it could be that, it might not be. I really do like how she called that out too, like the tavern with the guy avoiding it so he doesn't die there, like it's very much that. And that comes through in this chapter,

I wanted to highlight this comment because that comes through in this chapter, right? Like Cersei, in a moment she's at her peak, she's like, I've done it! I've fooled the prophecy! And then the whole chapter goes to fucking hell in her hands. So great callout. Yeah, and fits with that Greek tragedy stuff. So. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. We didn't get to this one last week, but we are here doing the Rowan Report for CRC 9. This one actually was in on time, but I just I missed it. So anyways,

Rowan says, hello, sending this in advance so that hopefully it can be incorporated into discussion of C9. Since Mother Have Mercy slash I Am Not Your Mother is one of my all-time favorite C9 moments and in my opinion a vital key to her character, making it all the more hilarious that D&D depicted her as motivated solely by motherhood and love for her kids. Hilarious is a word to describe it, isn't it? Um, anyway, the report commences here. Mother have mercy.

No, I am not your mother, Cersei told him. Often when someone says I am your mother, it is a way to instill respect. Think of Toni Collette in Hereditary shouting, I am your mother. I don't know if I delivered that well. Everyone, movies are my cultural weak spot, so Chloe, you can correct us in the delivery. I don't actually know it's delivered. Sorry, everyone. Or parents saying you should listen to them because of their parental authority.

I am not your mother, therefore brings up that Circe is someone who wants to be admired not because of the sex she was assigned at birth and what that confers onto her, but because of the person she is. She wants to carve space for herself outside of the roles of mother and maid she's been assigned. Both Catlin and Jamie discuss her in relation to these roles, and to command respect for reasons other than the body that she's forced to use to win favor and loyalty from the men who can help her, which makes it all the more punishing that her public shaming reduces her to her body. In contrast to Cersei's renunciation of a nurturing role, the famously childless and husbandless Elizabeth I said, She would never marry because she was already bound into a husband which is the Kingdom of England.

She positioned herself as the mother of England itself and its people, which created connection between her and her subjects, despite her spinsterhood and making her seem less womanly to them. Cersei, however, distanced herself from maternity aside from the glory her sons can claim for her as kings, not only in her quip to the blue bard, but in her desire to be seen as king and to be seen as the warrior and not as mother or maid among the seven gods. I Am Not Your Mother is her metaphorically renouncing her prescribed societal roles and announcing the type of king and warrior she wants others to see her as. Elizabeth I knew that if you're a woman, your subjects have to see you as nurturing to win their favor. Circe, however, does not care

about that. She primarily nurtures her own ascendancy." Oh yes, I love that, that she primarily nurtures her own ascendancy. Okay, Rowan, go off, go off. Yeah, that's wonderful. I really actually love having Elizabeth One compared to her because I think there's a lot of Elizabeth One and Sansa comparisons that get made, and rightfully so in some aspects. But I do see it here with Cersei, too. Absolutely. see it here with Cersei too. Absolutely. Yeah, I think this is a great like exploration of again, Cersei wanting to be set outside her seen beyond her body. And also I love being said that she

wants to be seen as a warrior. I'll get to that in a second as we enter the rest of this chapter, and how it is something of a battle. And you know, it's interesting because Circe wants to be seen outside those bounds yet doesn't care for it again when it comes for other women. And also I love the point that Elizabeth I knew that if you're a woman your subjects have to see you as nurturing to win their favor. And that is true. There's a lot of political studies as well when it comes to not just political, but like leadership and the axes in which people rate the way that they trust their leaders. And we've talked about these multiple

times as well. We talk about them in standards is that people need to see warmth. Warmth is one of the axes that people can rate you on in terms of ideas of competency versus warmth and trustworthiness. And women are penalized for not having enough warmth, whereas men can get away with being seen only as competent yet still be perceived as a leader. So yeah, unyielding men, cold men who don't necessarily not harness their fiery obsessions, just not in the way the public needs. Yeah, and we see the way that warmth plays a role in this chapter when it comes to the people whose name are the masses chanting outside the windows.

Chloe, Chloe. Oh, it is Chloe. Marjorie, Margaery, wow, wow. Well Rowan, this was a perfect way to lead us into Cersei Tanafeast for Crows starting with our lightning round of what you missed between Cersei Nine and Cersei Ten. The Princess in the Tower. Imprisoned atop the Spear Tower, Arienne awaits a long-needed confrontation with her father. Cersei should have one of those damns. Hmm. Elaine too. Elaine has told her new fate. Wedding Harry the Heir, the Erry. And Winterfell. Brienne ate. Brienne meets the hangwoman, Mother Merciless.

Brianne 8. And boy does she 8. But she, I guess she doesn't quite eat in this chapter. She kind of eats shit throughout the rest of the, her chapters in the series. That sucks. Sorry, Brianne. Um, and that brings us here to Circe 10. D.Va down.

That's it. That's the poem to Cersei X. D.Va Down. That's it. That's the poem for all of you. Oh no, D.Va is so down. Septima Well was a white-haired herodon with a face as sharp as an axe and lips pursed in perpetual disapproval. This one still has her maiden head all wager," Cersei thought, though by now it's hard and stiff as boiled leather. Six of the High Sparrow's knights escorted her,

with the Rainbow Sword of their reborn order emblazoned on their kite shields. Scepta! Cersei sat beneath the Iron Throne, clad in green silk and golden lace. Tell His High Holiness we are vexed with him. He presumes too much." Emeralds glimmered on her fingers and in her golden hair. The eyes of the court and the city were upon her, and she meant for them to see Lord Tywin's daughter. By the time this mummer's farce was done, they would know they had but one true queen.

But first, we must dance the dance and never miss a step." Throughout this chapter, Cersei had hoped to put Margaery on trial, which is, you know, of course, a farce of a trial, with people planted with false info. And the fact that we know all this, we know all Cersei's plans is already the tip-off that it's gonna fail because that's just how storytelling works. But also, again, another example of Tywin-esque behavior on Cersei's part, the desire for this sort of farce of a trial. If you will remember Tyrion's trial, which he calls out, he's like, what the fuck kind of trial is this?

And also all those people lying, just lying about him, though Tyrion did look pretty guilty. Um, we know he wasn't, but he did. Doesn't help when you don't have any allies. There's an interesting line here of virginity, Septimowell's virginity, right, being described as hard and stiff as boiled leather, which conjures for me these ideas of, I mean, of battle, right, of armor, because whether or not her maiden head truly is her armor, her purity, etc., right, that is what boiled leather is used for. here with Septimowel and it's something that I'm sure that Margaery and Cersei will want for in a bit, right? They've been the way that sexuality is used both as a weapon and against and for women is very much explored in these Cersei chapters and also even makes me think of Brie'en a little bit, right? Someone who is seen as very virginal, but also acting in the role of the warp warrior. And again, regarding that warrior, right? Cersei thinks here, but first we must dance the dance and never miss a step. Later on in this chapter, she talks

about having to kind of like, get ready for battle, that going to the set is a battle in and of itself, and it makes me think of this essay I wrote a while ago about Sansa, and the use of the word dance in her chapters, and the idea, right, that one can be doing battle, can be fighting, and the way that dance is often referred to as a fight, as a battle, as a war, within a Song of Ice and Fire and not just only a dance. So we see that Cersei is using it in that same way here as well. Yes, I love that. A woman's weapon, right? And you brought up Brienne and Brienne very much dances when she fights. So it's great to see these chapters stacked so much. So does Arya.

Yeah, it's great to see these chapters stacked here where you have a Cersei chapter and you have a Brienne chapter, right? Kind of pointing out these kind of exact contrasts to one another in the way that their lives are and how they're set up. And I thought it was great that coming to Cersei's outfit, right? Emerald is very much Cersei's color. It's always looked at as the color of her eyes, which kind of leads to some really interesting thoughts about how it's been co-opted by Margaery, right? The younger, more beautiful queen who comes to court.

And by the way, her color is green. Her color is green. What are you going to do, Cersei, this younger, more beautiful queen with your color? But here, with Cersei finally having her nemesis, Margaery, locked up in the clutches of the Faith exactly how she wanted it, and as she puts on this kind of spectacle here at court saying, well we love Margaery, what are you talking about? How could this have happened to her?

This very thing that I orchestrated. How did this happen? She's wearing her colors. She's wearing green and gold here She's wearing Margaery's colors showing a united front for the Tyrells in front of the faith and it's not just the green and gold That she's wearing she's overtly wearing the green as usual. She has emeralds in her hair on her fingers She's also playing at power in her own court, right? They're visiting her on her field. The faith is here in her house. She'll be magnificent here and we'll see later how she looks differently as well. Yeah, I've actually never noticed because like in a way throughout Cersei's chapters,

they established that she loves wearing green and gold, right? Which I kind of am like, it's interesting that the show never really plays into that. And I understand that they wanted to keep in the themes of, you know, the people's houses and they wear the colors of their houses, especially because they were balancing so many characters. But Circe doesn't love wearing the crimson and gold of House Lannister because the emeralds compliment her more, right? I guess she's what?

She's a spring, perhaps. Or a summer. I don't know. I could say that's like a summer, autumn jewel tones. Maybe, yeah. But I don't see, I don't know. Anyways, so it's fascinating that as you pointed out, like, it is the Tyrell colors. What does that say for Circe's character that her power colors that really bring her out

unfortunately are also the Tyrell colors? So unfair. It's like I was born first before Margaery. How could this happen to me? I guess Margaery's probably more of an autumn with her brown hair and maybe Circe is more of a summer or something, you know? We're just... Colors.

And I wear colors that don't fit in my season because I just like them. That's fair. That's very fair. Cersei insists that Margaery and her cousins be released, but the sparrow demands a trial to prove their innocence, accusing them of lewdness. I'm sorry, I just love that line. Accused of lewdness, fornication, and conspiracy to commit high treason. Searcy questions who is spreading these rumors.

And Septon O'Wall reveals that Sir Osney from Searcy's household accused Marjorie before the High Septon, the council reacts with shock and many of the middle slash highborn leave. Cersei newts, who flees. Moelle claims Margaery's maidenhead is broken, supported by the other septas who have seen it, including Margaery's own,

and that the cousins have also broken hymans. I'm sorry, like when I think of this, I'm like, wow, that sucks. That sucks for Margaery's own and that the cousins have also broken Heimans. I'm sorry, like when I think of this, I'm like, wow, that sucks. That sucks for Margaery and the cousins. And like later on, Cersei's like, Pysel, maybe you should inspect it too. It's so invasive. It's so invasive. I've been thinking too, like we already saw him do that, right?

With Sansa in the first book. Right. Fucked up. Yeah. He loves underage girls. He really actually might, so... I mean, most of the men in this story do, but... Lord Merriwether angrily challenges this, questioning, are we expected to believe that

the Tyrells would lie to us? LOL. Cersei demands Pycelle accompany the Sceptres to confirm Margaery's condition, demands Pycelle accompany the septas to confirm Margaery's condition, but Pycelle, pale and uncomfortable, finally admits, well, I don't need to. I've made her moon tea several times. There's no reason that I should examine her further. The uproar that followed, that was all that Cersei Lannister could have ever hoped for. Even the royal herald, beating on the floor with his staff, did little to quell the noise. The Queen let it wash over her for a few heartbeats, savoring the sounds of the little Queen's disgrace.

Uh-oh, save her away Cersei while you can. I love how rhythmic this chapter is, right? Like the the beats of the staff, everything is kind of loud and noisy in this scene and it starts to get really quiet. It's Cersei traverses the Sept, finally things get quiet and then shit hits the fan and it gets loud again. A very cinematic chapter, like I really would have loved to see this covered in full scale, not whatever we got in the show, just because of the back and forth, like the moments of, like, the grabbing, the dashing, the running, the septas all descending on her.

I just think, like, if Ryan Condal could have his hands on this, could you imagine what we could have had? Think of the candle budget. Could have been great. Candle budget. He does love his candles, that's true. You're right. And I love that you pointed that out. I didn't really notice that there absolutely is like a lot of imagery about the sounds throughout this chapter and it makes sense, right? It's a dance. You gotta have music for it.

A dance, yeah. Rhythm. Finally, Cersei commands the Gold Cloaks to clear the hall and her queensguard falls in on her as she exits through the king's door behind the Iron Throne. Blount, Trent, and Kettleblack follow her out, Moonboy stands gaping in surprise at the door and seriously thinks that Maggie the Frog, another old fool who she thinks should have been in Motley. And I'm like, honestly, just because she's in Motley doesn't mean that she's not clairvoyant, because I can name at least one other fool who is in Motley and very much is who is in Motley and very much a prophet. And that's Patch Face. Patch Face. I mean, there's even like, I don't know. Yeah, I think Moon Boy and I think

Butter Bumps are way smarter. Way smarter than we see. Butter Bumps! Butter Bump in that. 365. I don't hear much about like, I guess, Moon Boys acts in some way, you know, I think that's that's the actual show I want. We've met we mentioned this show. Yeah, we've mentioned this right. Join our Patreon. Join our Patreon. You can hear more. Cersei prayed the old fraud was screaming down in hell. The younger queen whose coming she'd foretold was finished. And if that prophecy could fail, so could the rest. No golden shrouds, no valonqar. I am free of your croaking malice at last."

Well, well, well. I'd slow down on that, Cersei. The small council is anxious about everything going on. Orton Merriweather warns the smallfolk will not approve, and Orayne suggests launching the new Dromons under Tommen's banner to boost morale and also potentially prevent Mace Tyrell from bringing his army back. Cersei agrees, instructing the ships be crewed and sent on the Blackwater, all the while thinking of Tyrion and Stannis during the Blackwater in Clash of Gengs.

Harris Swift fears Mace's wrath and potential bloodshed, but Cersei insists there will be no violence. She plans to visit Valor's Sep to speak with both Margaery and the Sparrow, hoping to resolve this tension for Tommen's sake. Sure, a trial might be needed to disprove the accusations against Margaery. Sure, sure. Cersei then finds Tommen. He's playfully fishing for cats with a cat toy, a wand, that Dorcas helped him make. Or Dorcas made for him, I apologize. She embraces him, kissing his brow, and crying. What's that for, Mother? Why are you crying? Because you're safe, she wanted to tell him, because no harm will ever come to you.

You're mistaken. A lion never cries, Tommen. It's very sad. I do wonder if there's something we're supposed to see in the imagery, I guess, of the playing with the cats and the mouse and like, you know, forcing them to do that and how that relates to everything going on in this chapter, but there's something there. I don't know. There's something there and I just uh, I'm not there yet but That's because you're not a cat person. Dude, the cat here loves me. I will send you a photo of us working.

Anyways. Listen, maybe I am. Anyways, uh, we have Cersei thinks that she can tell him later about Margaery. For now, she needs his royal seal on some arrest warrants. And he signs the blank warrants because he signs whatever is put in front of him and just is like, I love playing with the hotbacks, which like same. And after Cersei writes the names in herself there. Surtala the Tall, Jollabarjo, Hamish the Harper, Hugh Clifton, Mark Mullendore, Bayard Norcross, Lambert Turnberry, Horace Redwine, Hopper Redwine, and a certain churl named Watt who called himself the Blue Bard.

I'm sorry, I just have to say his name like Watt. You know the meme, the Watt meme? You know the meme, the old lady going, Watt? It's very old. I can send it to you. It's like that, yes. you probably don't know it. I Might not. Oh wait. No, I think I do I do she's going a lot. Yeah, I do know this meme Good good. Are you calling serious? You're Cron is that what you're saying? Ah

No, maybe and maybe maybe No, maybe, and... Maybe. Maybe. It is good structure in this chapter, though, to show us her doing this, because with Tommen, because it definitely cultivating Tommen doing this, bites her in the ass later, being like, yeah, Tommen, absolutely, just sign anything that's put in front of you. Wellp. Wellp. Sign away the leadership of King's Landing, why don't you? Yep. Well, sign away the leadership of King's Landing, why don't you? Yup. And it's also very sad because she's withholding things from him, like information about his wife.

True. Whether or not it's like an arranged ass marriage, that's his wife, bro. And he likes her, and she knows this, and she specifically is like, I'll tell him later because I need him to do this for me. If I tell him now, I might not get that. She's the only friend and companion, like she's the only one who's actually been paying attention to Tommen's tutelage this whole time. Literally she's the only reason this kid is gonna get through living in King's Landing Under Cersei. Mother, wife, Margaery. It's not bad, it works.

Yeah. Anyway, Osfrid, who like his brothers is unable to read, flips through the many warrants as Cersei guides him on who may resist arrest and who could be innocent. Because we gotta make it believable. She stresses the importance of proving the Red Wine Twins innocent and ensuring that Talad confesses and isn't killed. Osfried reports a crowd has gathered outside Baelor's Sept, demanding Margaery's release. Cersei dismisses the concern, telling him to leave the sparrow to handle his own defenses and to lock the city gates until the matter is resolved. No one is to enter, no one is to leave.

By day's end, most of the suspects are rounded up. Though a few gold cloaks are injured, Hamish the Harper, struggling to breathe, calls for a maester, prompting Cersei to consider using him in a new way. Perhaps he played and sang while Margaery entertained the men. The next day, Tyena helps Cersei dress in a modest woollen gown for her visit to the Sept. Cersei plans for Tyena to win over Alla and speak with Margaery's cousins. Due to the bad weather, it's about to weather, Cersei travels by litter, accompanied by ten Lannister guards

and Boros Blount. On the way, Tyena asks if Margaery would do a trial by combat. Cersei smiles and says, well, only Boros and Meryn Trant remain to defend her given Loras's injury, and two kings guard in Dorne, and Jaime the way he is, and Kettleblax obviously could not be used for this because it's about the Ke- it's a whole thing. Darn. Oh no. Poor Margaery, Cersei says.

This gown is similar in description. I noticed almost to the gown Sansa wears in the Vale in A Feast for Crows 1. The dress that Sansa picks is lambswool, dark brown, simply cut with leaves and vines embroidered around the bodice, sleeves and hem in golden thread. It was modest in becoming though scarce richer than something a serving girl might wear." So I thought that was interesting that they are correlating on their clothing right now. Taking something very modest and wearing it as their garb in order to hide their identity in some ways. Or their intentions in Cersei's case. Tyena kisses Cersei's hand, and Cersei in return asks about her son, Russell, when

he's coming to court, and when is he gonna come help Tom and cope with Margaery's loss? She's not dead yet, Cersei. What the fuck. Yeah, Tyena's like fucking never. Yeah, right? I do think Tyena's very, um, conflicted probably through all this. At Blessed Baelor's Sept, the crowd's calm. Cersei's party is escorted by Ser Theoden, to the High Sparrow, who agrees to let her

speak to Margaery and her cousins, but insists she return afterward for prayer with him. In a small, bare cell in one of the Sept's towers, Margaery is locked away, barefoot, shivering in a rough, novice shift. She tells Cersei they stripped her of her fine gowns and that she fears for her cousin Alla, too frightened to even cry. Cersei reassures her, Tyene is looking after your cousins. The septon keeps them separated, and the septas wake the cousins and Margaery hourly for confession. There's this whole description of her cell, and it's basically the size of a king-sized

mattress. Like 8x6 or 6x6. It's tiny. That's pretty tight. It's pretty tight quarters. Damn. It's not great. Not fun.

Sounds like a very bad time. Things are bad for Margaery. She's used to a certain level of luxury. She actually honestly is. Both of these queens are. Yeah, that's true. One of them deals with it normally though, the other one does not. Well, Margaery deals with it pretty like, honestly, yeah.

Even killed as far as we can tell, but who knows? Maybe she responded the same way when she was first taken. We don't know. We weren't there for all that. Give us the POV, George. Stop what you're writing. You know, the... Just kidding. The sept, the people there, they don't seem like, the septas don't seem like they're into gossip, you know? They're not gonna be like, oh my god, Cersei, you won't believe what Margaery did when we captured her.

Well, we're gonna get to that, but like, they're not allowed to be. Yeah, that's true. They're not like allowed to be involved in the gossip. Maybe they do it with each other. That'd be interesting. I want that, actually, I want that show also, George. Listen. Listen.

Do what with each other? Yeah. Like season two of Hot D. We got like both sides of the coin. We can have our butter bump in like little, little show and we can have our like the secret lives of not Mormon wives. Uh, okay, listen, I watched the mom talk show and I don't understand that reality show, but listen, it could be like that.

I ain't watching that shit. You crazy. You crazy. I anyways, we have this line. Last night, I confessed to Septanella that I wish to scratch her eyes out. A shame you did not do it, Cersei thought. Blinding some poor old Septa would certainly persuade the High Sparrow of your guilt. Honestly, maybe.

I mean maybe. Maybe. She's human. Probably not. He's like, another charge, lock her up. Akehab includes the High Sparrow, by the way. Yeah. Just so you know. Yeah. Margaery worries for her cousins,

who despite their varying personalities, which range from quiet and meek to boisterous and promiscuous, they're just girls. They're just girls. Literally, they are. Margaery asks if Cersei will take them out of the set, but Cersei replies, no can do. No can do. The Sparrows Knights guard Margaery, freeing her would require shedding blood on holy ground. Instead,

Cersei's working on a plan. She's gathered all the men that are accused of being Margaery's lovers into one room and hopefully they'll testify for her at their trial. Because like that's totally, that's totally what is going to go great for Margaery. And also we talk a lot about, we talk a lot about Cersei, right, and Sansa and Eirian being princesses in a tower, locked in a tower. But Margaery is also, Margaery, that poor girl, also a princess in a tower along with all of her little cousins, and you get that mirror there of her worrying about them, right, just as Ariane kinda did,

even though Ariane brought them in and all that shit. And Ariane's cousins are pretty different. They're not helpless little girls, so. Yeah, they also have a similar range of, you know, ranging in their abilities and their personalities and yeah, it's very, very much Anne Boleyn and Catherine of Aragon in the tower here. Yeah.

Margaery is upset at the mention of a trial, but Cersei offers her options. She could always have a trial by combat. Margaery, acknowledging her limited choices, lists the unfit candidates. Boros is craven, Meryn is old, Jaime is maimed, and Osmund is a kettle black. She suggests her brother Garland as her champion, but Cersei points out that only a Kingsguard member can defend her honor, and truly the High Septon would agree. After she reminds the Septon, of course, Margaery realizes the ploy and narrows her eyes in suspicion.

Cersei donned a look of hurt. You've wronged me, daughter. All I want is your son, all for yourself. He will never have a wife you don't hate, and I am not your daughter. Thank the gods. Leave me. You're being foolish. I am only here to help.

To help me to my grave. I asked for you to leave. Will you make me call my jailers and have you dragged away, you vile scheming evil bitch?' Cersei gathered up her skirts and dignity. "'This must be very frightening for you. I shall forgive those words.' Here as at court, one never knew who might be listening. I would be afraid as well, in your place. Grand Maester Pycelle has admitted providing you with moon tea, and your blue bard, if I were you, my lady.

I would pray to the crone for wisdom, and to the mother for her mercy. I fear you may soon be in dire need of both." So fun interaction. I think George is being a little cute with those motifs, right? Marjorie's dialogue cuts off Circe. So Circe just says, all I want, right? And she never states again, as has been throughout the series with all of these characters, and we've discussed multiple times, we never get that like, all I want, right? Like that unfinished want that the women throughout the series have. And it's interesting, Margaery fills in what she thinks Circe wants, but we are in Circe's

POV. She doesn't quite want Tommen all for herself, right? And it's true that she'll probably, that he'll probably never have a wife that Circe doesn't hate, but it's not in the same way. Like you see, it's pretty weird, but you definitely see those mothers out there in the world with their like mama's boys who very much parentify their sons and make them sort of fulfill the role

of emotional like support and kind of like husband spouse for them. She's not doing that to Tommen. You could argue that maybe she did that to an extent with Joffrey, right? But she isn't. And that isn't what Circe wants. She just, she wants, she wants. And this hammers that home because it's not accurate. And also I love the way that like Circe, she has these lines that she's prepared to say for all of the encounters that she has throughout this chapter up until

you know everything goes awry, it's very much like Arya being like, you know your lines and I know mine. There's a lot of lying going on here, which is a little bit of why we put these chapters together. Also the epilogues, but whatever. Yes. And something really fun in these Cersei chapters is that cutoff in general, right? You have Pycelle being cut off at court about Margaery and what he did for her and who it was for in this chapter as well. This happens again earlier in the chapter with Pycelle at court. You have the Margaery cutting off Cersei.

And to an extent, Cersei wants power. Yeah. Right? She wants to be able to be powerful. She wants to have independence, autonomy, power. Tommen's how she can wield that. That's why she wants Tommen. It's not because she doesn't want him to be necessarily married and happy, it's because

he's the power token. Yeah. He's what she puts into the machine to make it work. Yeah, she wants freedom, she wants, as you said, her own power. But is it your own power if it really belongs to your son, which is pretty fucked up. And that's the true answer, it's not. It's not. And she'll never have it, except for this brief fleeting moment. Especially because she's gonna get thrown in prison for a sec- in a second.

But anyways. Four shriveled septas take Cersei down the stairs, continuing down to the heart of Visenya's hill. Oh. To a torch-lit hallway, the septin waits for her in a seven-sided audience chamber. The faces of the seven carved into the walls, and Cersei thinks them crude and ugly, but their eyes make the faces come alive, orbs of onyx, malachite, and yellow moonstone.

This stood out to me because it's black, yellow, and green. So the colors of these gems are black, yellow, and green, and it kind of reminds me of Tyrion in A Dance with Dragons with Illyrio when Illyrio's rings are shining in the dark, right? Very interesting. Another ominous coming of Tame Green, Aegon. are shining in the dark. Cersei and the High Septon discuss Margaery's fate. Cersei suggests Margaery might be innocent, but the Septon dismisses this, listing her sins, a broken maiden head, moon tea, carnal knowledge of an anointed knight, and others,

both great and humble. Cersei assures him the crown is complying. They've questioned the Blue Bard, whose disturbing testimony will be addressed at Margaery's trial, and she hesitates and adds, "'Tommen's love for Margaery might cloud his lord's judgment. Maybe the Faith should handle the trial instead of the lords of Westeros." The High Septon agrees, of course, but reminds her that just as Maegor took swords from the Faith, Jaehaerys removed their scales of judgment. A sacred court of seven judges shall sit upon this case. Three shall be of your female sex, a maiden, a mother, and a crone. Who could be more suited to judge the wickedness of women?

No one mourns the wicked. Oh, just me, sorry. I still, I'll watch this. I'll watch it one day. I'll watch it one day. Unless this is a different thing entirely. I assume you're referencing wicked. Yes.

Okay, cool. I did it. I understand her. Cersei reminds him that if she demands her innocence or guilt be proven by the Wager of Battle, she would need to use a Kingsguard. He agrees on this, that the crown and faith speak as one. Tearfully, as if in grief, Cersei tells him that Thomas would be thanking him, were he here, and that they must find the truth together. I mean, she deserves some awards.

She's really given it in this chapter. She's like, I'm going for the Egot, because no one mourns the wicked. The three things that haunt her are going to be part of the trial against her, right? The maiden, the mother, the crone. I loved that, that she's going to have her own being judged with the same thing. It's great, because these are the things that have haunted her her entire life. The younger, more beautiful queen, the maiden, dead mother, Maggie the crone, and also, as you've pointed out

relentlessly, her mortality that is chasing her through all of this. Same. Right? Real. Any day now. It's coming for me. It made me think of somebody else that has a significance to the number three in their plot, specifically Daenerys Targaryen. Especially with all their parallels of three, right? Like, mother of three. Three for you. Gold shall be their crowns, gold shall be their shrouds, child of three. Dany, Viserys, Rhaegar, Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime. Three loves, three mounts. This is a little- It's a little testier. This is more just subjectively throwing words from the books out. But, you know, you have the one for life, one for death, one to love, one to bad, one to dread, one to love,

once for blood, once for gold, once for love, and left to be seen, right? These are all speculative. This is left to be seen what happens. But if you look at it from a very base value level, in Cersei's plot we've heard in this last POV as we've gone through, her talk about Jaime, Rhaegar, and Robert, right? One for life, one for death, one for love, one to bed, one to dread, one to love. These three men that are like very pivotal men in her childhood, teenagehood, young adult life. And even like lighting fires, right? Cersei and Dany will light fires for life, death, and love. They'll light different fires. And for their children. Dany with Rhaego and

Drogo, maybe Cersei lighting something else up to save Tommen. Whether the Sapt or Westeros or who knows what. I don't know. And they're fires in King's Landing. The same city, right? Will they both be lighting some things up in King's Landing in their lifetime? We don't know. We just don't know. Definitely feels connected. Yeah, there's a great mirror there between them because there are prophecies that cause both of them to act with more caution towards the people around them and I think like Daenerys might start causing her a little a little concern in terms of betrayal because the things that motivate

her are more around I think the desire to be loved whereas Cersei it's the desire for that freedom and power over her own life but it's interesting because like when you talk about mother of three things like that Daenerys' prophecy and the fact that she is likely going to be unable to bear children Already puts her into this like interesting position when it comes to gender, right? She's not like She's mother of dragons, bride of fire, daughter of death, and these are all things that are untied, untethered to the men in her life. Whereas the maid, mother, and crone are all kind of, and how it manifests in Circe's story are all still like, very much revolve around them in that way.

And like, Circe keeps tying herself to this broken system. S- Wishes to make a window in her prison! STACEY- Exactly. VB- And there's something going on with these judges that I'm curious if we're going to see. In the Tiwau sample chapters, we're told in Aria's Tiwau sample chapter, that Cersei's trial has kind of already been cleared up. So I don't know how much of the trial we'll actually get to see. George might pull a fast one and just like,

like he did with all the Ned chapters, right, where he'd have that great jump forward and then explain very vaguely, oh and by the way we did this, this, this, but here's where we actually are. So I'm curious if we'll actually see it, but it does make me wonder who these judges are. And it implies the other four judges would be men, right, for the stranger, the father, the warrior, the smith. I could see Lancel or maybe Randall Tarley as the judge for the warrior. I could see that happening. I don't have a lot of ideas about the stranger, the father, or the smith yet, but it does also make me think about the mother maiden and

crone and I wonder if we'll see Tyeen as the maiden. Oh, that'd be really interesting. That would be really interesting. I think we're gonna see her in Cersei's plot, like, very often. Like, I think like, blink and you'll miss it, there will be a blonde novice that's attending her, you know? STACEY Also, I never caught that. I like what you said about how Arya's sample chapter, aka the Mercy sample chapter, gives you little hints about what has happened with Cersei's law and order episode. STACEY Yeah, because we hear that Mace is leaving King's Landing, and we hear Mace say he's not leaving in the Kevin chapter until his daughter's trial is taken care of.

So we know like Margaery's is done, and that Cersei's should be happening. Yeah, I saw a pretty good comment also recently on Reddit, where someone was talking about the impact of taking Storm's End. taking Storm's End. Because people were like, why, why, like, what is the significance of the griffs taking Storm's End? And they made a good point of like, it forces Mace to have to like recreate the whole, the whole siege and gives them the ability to attack them, traps them, sort of like in a vice. Which would also be a great mirror with some of the stuff that we see going on in a, what is it, Bearstin's? Is it the Bearstin sample? Chapter? I don't know, it's one of those. STACEY With Little Pigeon? STACEY Yeah, with Little Pigeon, but also being with the hammer and the anvil and all that shit.

And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I see it, I see it. I get it. STACEY And obviously, meaningful as fuck because it's Tommen's fucking backup seat. Like, you lost your house Who are you the Starks you bitch? I had a random thought for the stranger. What if it were varies? Oh My thoughts on that varies, haha It was like I just a random thought a completely random maybe of because you know completely random. Maybe. Because you know, stranger. I do think like it should be juiced. Like this should be an all-star. Yeah. Or like secondary characters that you never heard of. Like maybe for the mother it would be- Maybe Stoneheart. Oh my god no.

A different lady. Like maybe the mother would be Sceptor L'Amour. Mmm. That'd be interesting. Yeah. when is the little guy gonna do something? Yeah. She's a mother. She is a mother. Yeah, I don't know. I don't have good ideas, I guess, for who the maid mother in Krone would be. Obviously, Elena would fit a couple of these, but they're not gonna put her on there, because

that's clearly biased. That's someone you throw out in the jury. You can't just have that out there. I like the idea what of you putting Randall's she's been to enough trials. Yeah, I like the idea. Yeah, I think Randall's a really good He's the warrior. Yeah Smith I don't know what you guys think, you know, yeah well fun things to think about. Cersei states that she must return to the castle, though, and takes her Osne Kettleblack back to be questioned by the small council. And

then… and then… No! said the High Septon. It was only a word. One little word. But to Cersei, it felt like a splash of icy water in the face. She blinked and her certainty flickered just a little. Dang. It's a good turn on the chapter, just having that little word. And throughout this interaction, Cersei keeps thinking to herself, and like it continues to follow from here on, right?

It gets repeated and she thinks to herself when he's talking about like Margaery being in prison she's like I am the queen both in regards to the high septon like calling Margaery the queen and then as she gets um worried here and is thinking like oh they can't touch me I'm the queen and it's again a reminder of Tywin's words that any man who must say I am the king is no true king. So there's an argument to be made that Cersei is no true queen, but I don't know that that's the case, right? Because in chess, we're going to talk about chess a little throughout this every now and then, and the strategies that Cersei's put together, you can technically have more than one queen on the board. You can only

have one king, but you can have more than one queen, as board. You can only have one king, but you can have more than one queen, as we're going to learn from little fingers like plots. But what we're seeing here is that Margaery, perhaps perceived by many as a true queen, is still vulnerable. She's in fucking jail and everyone keeps calling her the queen, and that means you're vulnerable too, Cersei, because whether you must state you are the true queen or not, to be a true queen is not the same thing as being a true king, because a true queen or not does not have power in this system, right?

A queen is still an object, and you have made certain of that in terms of all of the things that you have laid for Margaery to be accused of. A queen is not above reproach. Yes, because that's the thing, by tearing Margaery down, who's also not a queen in her own right, just like you, you've completely torn yourself down. Like, that's a huge problem. You both don't have real power if Tommen doesn't exist. Yes. Like this is where your anti-feminism is not good, Sarsi.

Exactly. Like, queen or not, like, it doesn't matter. You're within it. You don't get access to yourself and to have your own power, your own body. You can be thrown in for fucking anything. And you just secured that. Yep. This is why we don't have women presidents anymore, Selina Meyer.

Cersei is taken to see Osney, who's hanging naked from iron chains in a dark chamber, his body covered in cuts and welts. Deceptiveon remarks Osney's unusually pleased to confess, and Cersei protests. It is like, doesn't the faith have mercy? Won't you show him mercy? The septon insists while sins can be forgiven, crimes must be punished. Osney is charged with treason and murder and sentenced to death. But it's not the wall. Death. Death. Cersei says the faith is not to condemn a man to death, whatever his offense, and the septon then repeats those words back slowly, whatever his offense. He tells her the more they applied the scourge to him, the more his offenses changed.

He never touched Margaery, the septon says, and Oznie opens his swollen eyes, licks his lips, and says, The Wall! You promised me the wall. Cersei says they've driven him mad, but the high septon continues. Oh my god, I just realized like this is the second fucking time this has happened to Cersei of, um, promise the man- a man the wall for lying to you. Wait, what do you mean he's sentenced to death? This happened with Ned Stark. Um, it also happened with Jano Slint. Oh, well, but he's at the wall.

I know, but she promised him the wall and instead he got the wall and death. Oh, that's true. That's true. Um, John, how could you ruin Circe's plans like that? Anyways, dang. Sucks for this to happen to you more than once, Circe, and your plans. Three for three. Three for three. I find Circe's reaction to Osney's treatment, slash, aka the torture. Really interesting because by most measures it's really just no worse than what she had Qyburn do to the blue bard and that she watched

happen. And I think that the difference is that, you know, Cersei, like you pointed this out last episode, she kind of does feel some guilt and disgust when watching Wad and when she thinks about what's happening to Feliz, right, and she just like, it's like stamp it all down, put it in the box, throw away the key. She has to convince herself though that all of this torture is necessary, right, she has to convince herself it's necessary and she knows it's to an extent that it's self-serving, whereas the High Septon, and I think this is what's really scary about him. From what he says, he doesn't need any convincing about the torture being necessary. He has this conviction, and he wholeheartedly believes that what he has done here to Osney was just and required.

There's no disgust in what we perceive of him. He is disgusted, if anything, at Osney and allegedly the sin. He's not disgusted with his own actions of torturing Osney. And I think that this is the reaction. This righteousness is exactly why people talk about Stannis being fearsome as a righteous man. Veres says that. And there is something scary about someone who doesn't need to convince themselves that the atrocities that they're committing are correct. They already believe that it is justified at their core, and this is the power of faith. The ability to twist a value system, a moral system, so that anything that you do, no matter

how heinous, is what is correct. You believe that in your heart of hearts that what you're doing is correct and and that anything else, it doesn't matter. Yeah, there's something really crazy about the fervor of faith and what it can do and what masses of it can do that's being presented here. It's uh, and I think we're going to get into more of it, right? Like, it's hardcore how they're treating Osney, whether or not Watt's torture at Cersei and Qyburn's hands was bad, it was. But when you open this scene with how fucked up Osney is, I mean, this judicial interrogational torture that the Faith is doing, what gives them the right?

I mean, Cersei obviously did already gives them the right? I mean, Cersei obviously did already, but it's… I mean, they're not protecting the city. They're terrorizing the city in many ways. Sure, something about the Faith, a group that's peddling salvation and forgiveness, having a man strung up, whipped repeatedly until he physically can no longer lie, and getting him to reveal and reverse everything he said, kind of shows the Faith is the same side of the coin as Cersei. The Faith is literally the same side of the coin as Cersei.

They are no better than her. Cersei is no better than them. They're willing to beat its people if it means the right story is sung through the streets. And I think there's an interesting read here that Osne was actually incredibly loyal to Cersei. He did not break right away. He would not have been beat so many times if so. Like, they beat him to get the story out of him. It took that long for him to reveal Cersei's plan. I would have cracked like a fucking egg. I would have cracked like an egg before I let them welt

and bleed me out repeatedly, and for Osne, they've been at it for at least hours. We kind of get to see this brand of punishment, torture, prying information out used on Cersei as well as mentioned using it on Margaery, right? Waking her hourly, feeding her meager meals. Yes, they're feeding her, but they're not really meals packed with nutrients, right? These are very small meals meant to keep her alive. This is enough that if she eats, she'll live, but not enough to actually use the four brain

cells she has, right? So kind of a, it's not great, especially the hourly waking up, it's not healthy. This isn't to put you into a mindset in order to confess. It is to pry and torture information out from you. And the Catholic Church used judicial torture during the Inquisition, so 12th to 18th centuries, to get confessions from the accused, whether they were witches or heretics. And they used torture methods like the wreck, the Strapado, the Iron Maiden, which were authorized by church authorities, with popes like Gregory IX and Innocent IV making it

legal, completely legal to do this. The church believed torture could lead to spiritual salvation, even if it caused physical harm. By the 18th century, Enlightenment thinkers criticized torture and it began to fall apart and fall out of favor in the church. In 1816, Pope Pius VII, officially condemned judicial torture, distanced the church from it, and despite this, torture still continued in secular legal systems for years after. By the way, still happening today.

Like definitely there's still torture in the church today. Oh yeah. I know this because I go to Catholic Church on Christmas and boy let me tell you, I'm just kidding, that was a joke. It's torture. Yeah, I mean like you know you think about like what stoning, right, and how that was absolutely codified into the system. And so, yeah, that's a great rundown of the history of it in the Catholic Church and how likely

George is taking inspiration from it for all of this. And yeah, I think like the brand of torture that CRC is getting, as you pointed out, it is very much more psychological. There's a physical aspect to it absolutely as well. And definitely these are literally considered tortured not letting someone wake up like sleep fully through the night and as you said the meals so psychological torture over there anyways so the high septon asks if osney had carnal knowledge of the queen and he's like hell yeah i did! There! Well, he doesn't say that, but these lines are basically from him. There! She's the Queen I fucked.

The Queen who sent me to kill the old High Septon. It's... we have the line. Cersei whirled and ran because... Epic line. What a line. Uh, she turns around the entire chapter. Turns around. I mean, it's pretty bad, like, dang. He not only talked about fucking the queen, he also talked about the murder of the High Septon.

Seems bad, seems bad. Not so great to be, I am the queen now, is it, Cersei? This is the one. Not the person you want to be right now. Not the queen. Yeah, noicking, running, thinking she'll get the Kettle Blacks and they'll come with the Gold Cloaks and they can cut Osney free and rid the world of this septin. Four old septas block her way, clutching at her.

She knocks one to the ground, clawing another across the face. She remembers Tyena and starts to climb the stairs, stumbling, thinking Tyena knows all. If they take her. If they whip her. I thought that was very interesting that she actually, the reason that she gets caught, she may have been able to get out, but she climbed the stairs to get Tyena. Now that side, it wasn't out of love, it was to make sure that she didn't get captured She may have been able to get out, but she climbed the stairs to get Taina. Mm. Now that side, it wasn't out of love. It was to make sure that she didn't get captured for information, but,

but maybe a little love too. Oh my God. You can tell that like, I think the implication here is, I'm not trying to save Taina. I'm going to take her out with me or she better die first before they get all the info out of her. She knows too fucking much. Yeah. Kill her. Yeah. There's a hit out on Teyna for now. Rip.

She runs as far as the Sept, but the women that wait for her, more Septas, Silent Sisters, all descend on her. She shouts, I'm the queen, I'll have your heads for this, let me pass! But they catch her at the altar of the Mother, dragging her up the stairs, kicking. In the cell, three silent sisters hold her down, and Septus Scalera strips her bare, taking her small clothes and throwing a rough-spun shift at her. "'I am a Lannister! Unhand me, my brother will kill you! Jaime will slice you open from throat to cunt! Unhand me, I am the Queen!' "'The Queen should pray,' said Septus Sc Galera. Before they left her naked in the cold bleak cell, she was not meek Margaery Tyrell to don her little shift and submit to such captivity."

"'I will teach them what it means to put a lion in a cage,' Cersei thought. She tore the shift into a hundred pieces, found a ewer of water and smashed it against the wall, then did the same with the chamber pot. When no one came, she began to pound on the door with her fists. Her escort was below, on the plaza, ten Lannister guardmen and Sir Boros Blount. Once they hear, they'll come free me, and we'll drag the bloody High Sparrow back to the Red Keep and Chains." She screamed and kicked and howled until her throat was raw, at the door and at the window. No one shouted back, nor came to rescue her. The cell began to darken.

It was growing cold as well. Cersei began to shiver. How can they leave me like this, without so much as a fire, I am their queen. Well, uh, I guess that's why. It's, I think of this joke that one of our patrons made, that actually is a joke made by one of our patrons' friends. Shout out to Madeline, and how when we were entering the Searcy chapters, Madeline's friend said, like, what is it going to be? Like, is it another like genders a prison?

POV? And the answer is yes. Like literally, literally, right now, we are witnessing genders a prison. Searcy is literally in prison. And honestly, like, it really struck me because we talk a lot about, we being the fandom, talk a lot about Cersei's mistakes in arming the Faith Militant, which sure, right, and but ultimately how that is perceived to bite her in the ass. And yet, and yet, her capture isn't by the Faith Militant in this moment, right? She's captured by the Sceptas, by a bunch of other women who are unarmed. And their hands clutching at her to drag her down and imprison her very much remind me of the scene of Emma and the forced birth of Balin in House of the Dragon, the very first episode of House of the Dragon, because that

really stood out to me that it is these women who are complicit in the death of their queen, right? She's nothing but a vessel. And that's what you are to these people, seriously, right? As you smash your chamber pot and your water vessels, like, that's what's happening here. And the people that Cersei, like, she's looking upon them, and she judges these Sceptas for being virgins, right? And, but yet that's what elevates them in this system. It's a misstep of Cersei's own hubris. She was like, I'm going to go to the set and go gloat over Margaery and like see how great my plans are going. The misstep wasn't arming the Faith Militant, it was it was

hubris. And you know, we talked about it a little bit earlier in this episode. And as you've pointed out with the her building her own cage, like the women there here, the septas, they are complicit in capturing both of these queens for Margaery, for allegedly no longer being a virgin and her cousins. Because like, the cousins aren't the queen, they've committed no treason by having sex, right? Why the fuck are they here and guilty? Right? These are the weapons of misogyny that Circe has been using and they're turned against her because that is the fault of her strategy. She aimed all these weapons and set up her little chessboard so that she would capture that one queen without ever watching. If the traps were closing in around her as well, you have to play offensively and defensively.

Yeah, she was pointing one gun but four were pointing right back at her. Yes, actually a lot. A lot turns out. Hahaha. Uh. Cersei huddles beneath the woollen blanket, and she's kind of regretting tearing up the shift they had given her by this point. She's pretty cold, been there. She falls asleep, but is awakened swiftly by a heavy hand shaking her. A huge, ugly woman kneels to her, Septia Unela, and demands to hear her murders and fornications. Cersei knocks her hand aside and tells her not to

presume to touch her and the woman rises, saying she'll return in an hour. You know how you were saying like you were weak and you'd have folded before they even touched you with Osney? I'm also weak. I would have nod toward the shift. I would have been like, I'm so cold. I get cold so easily. So that's my commentary. I'm sorry, like one blanket?

That's not enough. One blanket is not enough. No. Girl, you gotta think ahead. Anyways, so past the longest night that Cersei Lannister had ever known, save for the night of Joffrey's wedding. Circe, having had smashed her chamber pot already out of anger, now squats in a corner to shit and piss, dreading Scepta Unela's constant presence whenever she closes her

eyes. Scepta Moelle brings her gruel, which Cersei throws at her, but she drinks the water they bring, too thirsty to refuse it. She also accepts a fresh shift and eats the evening food, demanding wine and getting none, and instead she gets Septa Unela, who arrives to ask her for her confession. As night falls, she's stunned that still no one has come to rescue her. Her council, her uncle, the Kettle Blacks, no one. Also, like, it's been 12 hours and your uncle is all the way across the country, like, chill.

That's a good point. What's Kevin gonna fucking do? And to be fair, she starts to lose time, like, in the next chapter especially, she's like, who the fuck knows how long I've been here? It's like three days. But who the fuck knows? Outside she hears a name being called by the small folk, but it sure isn't her name. It's Margaery's. On the second day, Qyburn visits, telling her she's to be tried for murder, treason, and fornication.

He updates her on Tommen, who's safe but lonely and still unaware of her and Margaery's sins. Margaery is facing the same trial. The blue bard, still singing despite being whipped, is below them. Cersei's knights have been removed, and Humphrey Waters has now joined the City Watch as commander. The council is controlled by Harris, Swift, and Pycelle, with Kevin Tyrell invited to assume the regency.

Mace has abandoned the siege of Storm's End, and Randall Tarley is also on his way. Lord Merryweather resigned and fled with Tyena, who brought the accusations to the council. A little note on Humphrey Waters, he has no other moments in this story. Interesting and it's safe to assume he's working for someone on the council. I'm curious who, but somebody elevated him. Interesting, and it's safe to assume he's working for someone on the council, right? I'm curious who, but somebody elevated him. So interesting bastard rising high from nowhere, which will be interesting with Aegon coming to court and he has some other bastards and people with him, right?

That's a good point, especially with the, you know, Blackfyre stuff in the background and then a couple of other bastards running around. Yeah, like when they said Humphrey Waters, I was just like, same as you just now. I mean, you looked into it, but I was like, hoomst. Hoomst. Yeah. There's nothing else, but he will. Like he will.

I know it. And gold cloaks are kind of important. That's true. They're quite important, but it's same as, you know, you're talking about like waterses or in waters. I bet other people in story are also like, oomst. Same as they are with Humphrey Waters. Oomst. To position a power.

We have a line of, they let Tana go. That was the best thing she had heard since the High Sparrow had said no. Tana could have doomed her. She thinks letting her go is good news? since the High Sparrow had said no. Teyna could have doomed her. She thinks letting her go is good news? Like girl, Taina got out with all your secrets. She's gonna have those secrets. Girl, they abandoned you. That's not loyalty, they abandoned you.

Look, she's gotta get through this somehow, okay? She's gotta get through this somehow. And I will say, very Mizzaria Raniro going on. Interesting, interesting. That's true. I do love this line that Tyena could have doomed her. It does make me think that Tyena will be coming back at some point with something that will hurt Cersei.

And love dooming her. I mean, Jaime and Tyena are dooming her, right? Like, Tyena escaped, got out of there, did not do anything to get Cersei out. Jaime gets a letter, obviously we'll get to that here. He gets a little busy with another quest in the Riverlands and throws that letter out without reading it because he just cannot,

which is is it's hard for her in the position she's in like I understand why he didn't but I understand why she sent it right because Jamie not coming to her she's so sure of his love like for Cersei Jamie and this is a way that you can easily take advantage of someone if you're so sure of their love, right? And maybe that love isn't as real, but she's so sure Jamie has always been a constant that no matter what, he'll be there. And for him that's also been negative that no matter what, he'll be there, right? And she's sure of it because of like unconditional love in a way. Like I assume that my husband or my

parents would come bail me out of jail or like forgive me for making terrible unconditional love in a way. Like I assume that my husband or my parents would come bail me out of jail or like forgive me for making terrible mistakes But if Jamie's really abandoned her, I mean that's it for her, right? Like her psyche, like that shatters it. Like for her, that's the last stop on this train and she's about to jump off. I really like what you're pointing out here about how that bond of love has broken down, because I think that's such a big part of this story that the way that this whole cruel world causes this isolation, and the difference between when you're isolated and not, and like, yeah, you're right, she has this sure love that no matter what I do to him, and vice versa, we're there for each other. And I think that's ultimately part of that,

like the toxic nature of their relationship. And it's kind of hard because as we've discussed, what we're watching with Jamie and Circe is a dramaticized version of a breakup. And I don't think she knows that she and Jamie have broken up. I think Jamie knows that they've broken up, but ultimately he's kind of ghosting her and it's hard to know you're being ghosted when you don't

have like the means to keep talking to someone to realize that they're ignoring you and ghosting you like with with text or what or yeah direct messages. You don't find out so much longer and later because it takes longer for things to get to people that you're like, oh fuck, Jamie's ghosting me? That wasn't just like a time delay for sending things. Yeah, that's like illegal. Yeah, and also because you don't expect to just be writing letters all the time, right? So it's very interesting. And you know, you were talking about like, love, dooming her and her not realizing, you know, that all this will bite you in the ass. It makes me think of just because you brought it up earlier, you know,

three treasons you shall know and the last one being once for love. Yup. And the valonkar shall wrap his hand around your throat. I mean, these prophecies feel like they go hand in hand. Oh, hands. Haha. Because Jaime has only one. Um, yeah. It's probably Jaime.

It really probably is Jaime. It's just been a long time. I just, you know, love the lulls. Anyways. It's only ever been Jaime. Yeah. When I say the Laws, I mean it being Tyrion. Not that I think it's funny if Jamie kills her.

Anyways. That's good that Girls Gone Cannon podcaster Eliana says she does not support domestic violence that leads to death. Right. I just wanted to clarify that. What's funny is if Cersei were right, that it was Tyrion. Everyone. Thank you. So absolutely do not quote anyone and say that podcaster from Girls Gone Wild and Eliana thinks domestic violence is cool. I feel like you would all know this because I've only been saying not just in this POV but for like years.

Wouldn't it be funny if Circe was right and was Tyrion? But I just... you never know. You never know out there in the world. You just don't. Anyways. As for Lord Oryan waters. All these waterses. The moment the news of Circe's shenanigans came out, he resailed and took his fleet to the waters. Harris Swift worries he'll join Stannis. Pycelle thinks he's sailing to the Stepstones. Harris Swift worries he'll join Stannis. Pycelle thinks he's sailing to the Stepstones to be a pirate, which is, I'm sorry, I think that's hilarious that Pycelle's like, yeah, I don't know, I think that man's gonna go be a pirate. Like, I have no evidence.

He seems the type. I have no evidence. He's just gonna go do that. That's so funny. And he's right. I mean, he's right. He's right. But like, where did he get the evidence for this? He just like, so he's like, what interesting piratey behavior. Oh, how interesting. Orain has donned a hook arm, or is he like, oh, he's got a pet parrot recently. Like, how interesting. Orane has donned a hook arm. Or is he like, oh, he's got a pet parrot recently. Like, how did he know? Well, I think also there's the fact that like the Stepstones, there's drama stirring in Essos and in the Stepstones. So he's probably using educated

guesses here based on information at court that Cersei has ignored for a whole book. I guess I've ignored them too. First the domestic violence, now this. Oh my god. Anyways. I also love, there's this line right here from Cersei, all my lovely dromons. Cersei almost laughed. My lord father used to say bastards are treacherous by nature.

Wood that I had listened said she, who notoriously had bastards." Oh my god, that's actually really delicious, Aira E. And then also, that line could have been straight out of Raniera's mouth, like regarding Adam Velaryon, for example. That's true. It just felt like very Raniera-y. I thought I'd pull it out, you know, while we're here. While we're here. It's kind of sad because in a way, like, when you're in Cersei's position and you're the queen, technically the bastards are treacherous by nature because it's literally treason to have had these. To have had these bastards.

To have come inside, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Which... yes. Kinda. Anyways. But please, again, do not take that out of context. I do not think that all bastards are in fact treacherous by nature.

A bat. All bastards are treacherous. Treacherous. Oh god. A bat. How sweat. Interesting. The Strongs?

Anyways. Cersei shivers and says that she is lost, but Qyburn tells her, oh, hope still remains, and that her new champion stands ready to prove her innocence by battle. What a real one, Qyburn. This time she does laugh. There are no champions for her. She is the queen and the Kingsguard is fucked up. I made sure of that. Oh fuck. Oh fuck. No, it's a fuck. Oh, a fuck. Sorry. For the last time ever. Fuck. Fuck. Oh fuck. No, really though. Shit. And that brings us to the end of the chapter. Even in her exhausted, frightened state, the Queen knew she dared not trust her fate to a court of sparrows, nor could she count on Sir Kevin to intervene, after the words that

had passed between them at their last meeting. It will have to be a trial by battle. There is no other way. Qyburn, for the love you bear me, I beg you. Send a message for me. A raven if you can, a rider if not. You must send a river run to my brother. Tell him what has happened and write, write, yes, your grace. She licked her lips, shivering. Come at once. Help me. Save me. I need you now, as I have never needed you before. I love you. I love you. I love you. Come at once. As you command. I love you thrice? Thrice. She had to reach him. He will come. thrice she had to reach him. He will come. I know he will. He must. Jaime is my only hope.

My Queen, have you forgotten? Ser Jaime has no sword hand. If he should champion you and lose… We will leave this world together, as we once came into it. He will not lose. Not Jamie. Not with my life at stake. I mean, it's true. He's not gonna lose.

Cause he's not gonna be here. Um. Damn. You really like to shatter the mood, don't you? Yeah, that's true. Sorry. Sorry. Ah fuck. He's still in character. He's still in character as Qyburn. Yeah, right? I think Qyburn's just like, what the fuck is going on here?

Uh, I love the- the Qyburn for the love you bear me, and I'm just like Qyburn thinking, is it love or like, my job security is at risk? My research grants are at risk? He's been furloughed. No, really. He's been furloughed. No, really. He's been furloughed Yeah, he did get laid off for a bit here, huh? Yeah, he uh, I mean I'd be curious of his loyalties right now and how he's getting around that castle Yeah, I mean this is this is the only person who believed in him and his research. I love that. He's like thrice and

Three times? It's a little much. Yeah, he's like, dang, those rumors maybe are true. I do love this against the Jaime and Brienne, right? Because a different trial is happening for them. Oh, true, that is a trial. Wow. Fuck. He's missing her trial to go to the Lady Stoneheart trial. Yeah. That one's a pretty intense one. Let's be real.

Yeah. You know, I jokingly mentioned Selina Meyer-style that Cersei is why we won't have women presidents anymore in Westeros. But I do think there's something going on here, right? The Faith's Fervor is being set up as a huge plot and then Daenerys as a challenger? Right now we're about to have the city just like shattered because of Cersei's bullshittery and then Aegon will show up and easily walk his fucking way into the current situation and the faith. But as we get this closer glimpse at the fanaticism

of the seven, R'hllor is going to be set up to be kind of a contrast to this. We get the mention earlier on in this chapter when it comes to Stannis and the faith-hating Stannis. If Dany sails west and flies west on those dragons and is supported by fire worshippers worshipers like Marwyn or Makoro or all of the priestesses that await her as she travels back west. Westeros may not take very kindly to that. They may not, that's true, but the people who believe it really do, they really staunchly believe it.

Like we see, you know, the kind of inevitability that Stannis gives his actions when he's like, I don't know, I gotta do this thing, even though it seems like pretty crazy. Because I'm Mazorahai, I was told it, right? But what happens when everyone's telling you that, and also you have dragons and the power to back it up? Like, yeah, I think, but it will be hard because, as you said, they will be like, dang, we had a women president once, we had a women president once, I don't know if I like this one. Yeah. Where's Amy when you need her just to yell at her about it?

I know, right? Kaina should have done this. That's true. It's interesting, right? I mean, I really don't know who the younger, more beautiful queen is, and I'm starting to get a little enamored by the idea that it is Myrcella, especially as Margaery points out to Circe in this chat, where she's like, I'm not your daughter, thank fucking god, right? Because I do think Circe is the kind of maybe person to potentially treat a daughter who threatens her power. You know those stories, not just of the mothers who like

parentify their sons, but the ones who show up to their daughters' weddings in white, you know? Like, I could see her doing that. But also like, it could be Daenerys. Daenerys in many ways fulfills and has all these things that I think CerseiR.C. coveted. Yeah. So anyways. It's great how many people are really set up for that. Yeah. Could be any of them. Exactly. It's kind of like what we were talking about with like the second sun's thing. Like it could be it's going to be a little vague, but I guess the value. I mean, I think the point isn't it being one person, you know?

That's a good point. And that speaks to- Just like Azor Ahai. Exactly. That speaks to the nature of like all those prophecies and the long night and things coming around again. Yeah. But speaking of ironies and so forth, Cersei is forced into a trial by combat. And it kind of makes me think of Tyrion, right? Like perhaps she's feeling quite a bit like her baby brother, who again, like as mentioned at the top of this chapter, was forced into quite a farce of a trial for a crime he did not commit.

Unfortunately, Cersei, you actually did commit these crimes. I don't really know what I can say. You committed these crimes, but she's trying to make it for Margaery who, I don't know, probably didn't, or maybe not with these people. Very Tyrion-esque situation she finds herself in right now. It's great because she opens the chapter chasing all these false claims about Margaery and saying, well, that can't be true true even though she put them all out there and then the next chapter when we do dance With Margo will explore how she closes that finally confessing falsely lying in her confession in order to kind of get out and ends up at a trial so really cool kind of book ends To how her plots going. Yeah

Absolutely, I think that's it's pretty interesting how she like does that, you know, like Tyrion. Tyrion's stubborn. He confesses to like other things, right? Like when we see it as his trial and the fail, but yeah. Absolutely. Interesting book ends. Jaime came to save Tyrion, but he doesn't come to save Circe, so pretty interesting. Pretty interesting. Pretty interesting. Well, I can't believe this, but until we get another A Song of Ice and Fire main series book- actually no, I mean this is just it, even if we get another series book.

This is a wrap on a feast for crows for girls gone cannon. It's fucking over. I don't know why we keep saying like until we get another book this is like the last feast chapter it's just like another book is another book. Like there's no more feasts. No more feasts forever. Not for Cersei. She's got this gruel shit now.

I'm just... I can't believe it's over. Damn. I really like this book. And I really like reading it with y'all. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Well... Damn, I really like this book and I really liked reading it with y'all. Thanks for listening. Well, on to Dance of Dance together. Yeah, now to starve.

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