Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 243 — AGOT Daenerys II

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

At her wedding, the young princess receives the gift of the wind. --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon Reads A Song of Ice and Fire, Episode 243, Daenerys 2, and a Game of Thrones. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I'm another one of your hosts, Eliana. Hear that little pop in my stop? We're back with more Daenerys! We're so back! Oh my gosh, I feel alive. I feel so alive with the fires here. The old fires of the Daenerys mines, I don't know. We're not at the fires yet, oh my god, not the mines. God, that- she's different, she's different from her ancestors, okay? The children yearn for the Valyrian mines.

Oh my god. Oh god. Well, we will be back with a Patreon bonus episode for our patrons in the stranger tier this month. That is exciting. I'm fucking pumped for that. I've watched half of my homework assignment. I'm getting close to the end. We're going to talk about Dune Prophecy. I have so much to talk about already, especially the prophecy, especially like how- Interesting. I'm really excited for Dune Prophecy because like, Rigs of Power wanna be Game of Thrones so bad. Game of Thrones wanna be Hot D so bad.

Hot D ejaculated in now Dune Prophecy is like, I wanna be that. I wanna be Hot D. And then like all of it is like, George has Dune written everywhere. I don't know. I haven't worked it out yet, but they all want to be each other. It's really funny. I was dying. I was watching Dune Prophecy and they were like, 10,000 whatever years before, Paul Atreides. And I was like, hmm.

Interesting. That is very interesting. Yeah. And also the... Prophecy? I'm curious from... Okay, we'll discuss it, I guess, in the episode. You can answer all my questions.

I have so many questions. Oh, I have so many answers already. I know it. You guys gotta tune in to become a patron. Yeah, sorry. You gotta go. I have to wait for the episode to get answers to my questions. I'm not joking.

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Oh my god, we're always eating. Well this one is actually right around the corner. It's gonna be on March 9th, so you could, you know, be someplace like, still get there. If you were listening to this on the day of release... Yeah, we'll be coming back in April for another Brappy Hour. Discord access is really fun. There's a lot of really fun channels, great people, oh gosh they crack me up, they're all funny. There's always some sort of little funny conversation going on, so like I'll log in in the middle of my day and

I'll see it and I'll just smile and laugh and remember that no one's actually in the room with me. Smile and laugh, I love Discord, but really fun And hey, here's a perk that everyone's gonna get. No episode on March 21st. It's not a perk. We are on that day having a dream of spring, because that's the day that it officially becomes spring, I think, depending on the hour, but we are off traveling. So unfortunately you will not have an episode on the 21st, but we will be back the following week. And we may also have a week off following that because our first guest is coming on and we're making some schedules work.

Who knows what that means? Does anyone know? I don't know. We're just putting clocks together, just putting time zones together. You just never know. You know? First Daenerys guest. Woo woo. But all that's to come. Yeah. We did get a request for a guest on Podbean. We're gonna move over to some of these emails slash sheets of note, which also includes Podbean comments, but it doesn't have the same ring to say. We did get a request for a guest. Dragon Dancer said, I hope Grey Area joins a chapter of

Dani soon. I love Dani so much. I love Grey Area and Dani. Really good comic. I also love both these people. Or character and person. All shall be revealed in time. All must choose. All must choose. You must choose now between Grey Area and Daenerys. And Daenerys. You only get one. Oh my god. That's terrible. Is this Saw? Jesus fuck. Oh god. Great Aria's safe. She's safe.

Alright, we got another email from our good friend Warren. For a second when I saw this email, I thought it was an Aria episode. I was like, what's going on? Did we do an Aria episode no one told me about? But no! Warren is praising Denarius. Very, very kind email. Shouting out the MVP of the last episode. That's a football term actually here. I'm using it as a football term just to remind you. We are a sportscast. The MVP was Eliana last episode. Yeah. I agree, Warren. She's really smart, hysterical, beautiful, wonderful. That was like the just what I read. I was like,

I don't think any of those words were in this email. It's what he meant. Thanks so much for your comments, emails, tweets of note, keep them coming. girlsgonecannon at gmail.com or girlsgonecannon on social media. You put it out there, we'll find it. We'll find you. Indeed. Well, let's find our way to the second Daenerys chapter. You know, now we have a lightning round. I did really love your vision for last time, though. Thank you. I really do miss them, all of Daenerys' ancestors, but back to business, back to what we missed between Daenerys I and Daenerys II in a game of Thrones starting with Etern I, where the usurper asks his favorite dog to come play one last time.

Jesus. Uh, interesting. Jon won. Jon is just a bastard, and he has to sit in the back of the room and life is unfair and everyone is really pretty and hot. It's a terrible time. Yeah, I mean, that's actually pretty much what the chapter is. That's the chapter. Yeah. I guess when you're drunk, everyone's pretty and hot too.

I don't know. Happens to me all the time. I know, right? The drunk part. Oh, I thought you were saying everyone's pretty and hot when you're drunk. That too. It's so beautiful. Catalin too.

Catalin receives a secret letter mid coitus. He finished. I guess it was finished twice, you're right. Post coitus. That's right, because he did the window. He did the window. Post coitus. He went to the window and then John goes to the wall and the sweat drop down falls.

To the wall, and the sweat drop down as balls. To the wall! To all these others, crawl, crawl. It is Lil John and the Eastwatch boys. Let me see them get low. Get low, get low. Oh, skeet skeet skeet skeet. Mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm. Aria 1. Aria has no seamstress, much to her mother and Septimordane's dismay.

That's how it goes. Bran 2. Up in a tower, Bran watches two siblings with a rather unhealthy relationship. And then he has a great fall. Oh, that was wild to reread. Tyrion won. In Winterfell, Tyrion brunches with his family on March 9th. No, that's a joke. News comes that the boy, his incest siblings pushed out of the window, will live. It was a really funny joke on March 9th, 2025. On March 9th!

I feel like I said 2024 earlier today in something in this episode. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. That happens to me all the time. Every single time I finally get used to writing a year, they decide to change it up on me. So fucked up. So fucked up. Real. Real. John too. John leaves for the Emo monastery

and gives his little sister a very different type of needle, which is exactly what the 1993 outline said. To the wall! To the wall! We cannot be laughing like that. We are only ten minutes into this episode. You need to straighten up both of you. We're actually making pretty good time. Yeah, a 10 minute intro. Who are we? What is this, 2018? And that brings us here to A Game of Thrones, Daenerys II. Daenerys accepts her wedding gifts, though not all of them are equal. It's true, she got a lot of different gifts. She did get a lot of gifts, that's true. We open the chapter with, Daenerys Targaryen wed Khal Drogo with fear and barbaric splendor in a field beyond the walls of

Pentos. For the Dothraki believe that all things of importance in a man's life must be done beneath the open sky. Great world building, George. Barbaric splendor don't love, but great world building. Drago's Colossar, speaking of world building, is with 40,000 warriors and many, many more people, like many uncounted women, children, and slaves. They decided these aren't people. And they seem to be intimidating the locals with their ways. Interesting to think of like this huge Dothraki house party going on in Pento, so everyone's

like, what the fuck is going on down there at the Mance? The way that it's written with the uncounted folks and already the sheer amount of people, right? So 40,000 warriors, not counting the uncounted. And I think of how many children there really are, how many women, especially as we watched them in this chapter very freely fuck people, like just right there like property for them to do whatever. I mean, makes me think there's gotta be

a good amount of children running around. How do they feed all these people? I guess by intimidating cities, now that I say it out loud. When we think about people in Aeswaf, like, I think about the main story here. And I think about how like the river lands. And when I think about warriors being together in the riverlands, they're vast, right? You have like these rivers surrounded by fields, you have dense thickets of forests, kings landing, narrow alleys and lanes that you weave in and out of going uphill or downhill, veins and arteries filled with

bustling life. But here, in a field, 40,000 warriors, uncounted women and children and slaves. That has to be at least half that size? You have to have at least 20,000-ish or more? I mean, this is an incredible amount of people in one place concentrated for this wedding, and it really gives you a vast feeling. And maybe this is George's gardening has changed since this, maybe it wasn't necessarily intended, or maybe the scope of the book has changed. But I think of when Ariane talks about the Dornish soldiers in Tiwau, that they probably have like anywhere from 20 to 40,000 men getting ready to go, ready to take, take battle! The Reach, right? Somewhere between 80,000 men. In the Dance, the Stormlands had about

40,000 men. The North brought 30,000 down to Wharf, and that's just what they brought. Renly had said he had 80,000 men to Catelyn between whatever the stormlands left for him and part of the Reach following him. The Reach we know has like 30 to 60,000 men. That's a lot of people. This is not a small gathering of people, and a lot of these people are straight up warriors that would be promised to Viserys, obviously, the king. Viserys, yeah. Yeah, it's an enormous amount of people, and also when you think about it, this is just Drogo's Colossar, right? Like, if when they go to Westeros, presumably it's all the Colossars together. So that's kind of crazy to think about. That's going to be more than 40,000 warriors probably and

Like and the women and the children and the Unsullied so she's gonna have a huge host and honestly no wonder She's kind of like how do I even get everyone? How do I even get all these people over there? I don't know so it's a good thing like I guess Victarion presumably is coming with all these ships and then They will hopefully be able to secure more ships from like the Volantene fleet, you know, when they go make their way across and then they acquire more like it's party is, Drogo's coliseum is until now and for them to all like come here at the city. Like, you're comparing that against the backdrop of like Robert's procession coming to Winterfell, which is also like a huge deal in the context of that chapter.

And it's way smaller. They're like, oh my god, how are we going to feed all these people? That's the logistics problem that they're dealing with here in Pentos, because this is basically a royal wedding, right? Like think about Joffrey's wedding and what if that were a moving party? That's kind of what this is. Like what if Joffrey's wedding were also Burning Man? That's what this is.

It's a huge event. Also Burning Man. It's kind of like that. You're not wrong. It is huge. And it's supposed to be. I mean, it's for a Targaryen princess. Yeah.

And like, I mean, the greatest of all the calls, you know? Yeah. Until the denier it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The city guard has been doubled in response to the nightlife and culture and the sheer amount of people. Illyrio tells them about this when they have dinner at the Mance. Drogo

chooses to stay with his calisar, leaving the penthouse to Daenerys and her wedding party. Jorah Mormont, booing, hissing, he's pledged to serve Viserys, and he's making lighthearted jokes during dinner, suggesting they hurry the wedding to avoid losing more money on hiring sellswords. But Viserys doesn't find that very funny. Instead, he insists Drogo can take dinaries whenever but only after paying the agreed price. Dang. This chapter, this chapters in the next one are like, they're pretty brutal. Like it's heartbreaking to see the way that Viserys treats his sister right. We saw him physically abusing her last last chapter, and then the way that he sells her off.

And then you have that like compared to the ending of the last chapter, you have John and Arya, and that's the way that a brother should say goodbye to his sister, right? That like, I guess Viserys ends up going on this journey, but technically he is like, they could have been saying goodbye, you know, that's what happens a lot when people get married, especially in this world. And then you also like contrast that even like, Circe's wedding, right? You have the idea of like, everyone is smiling except for one person, the one face in the crowd who wasn't smiling, and just as Viserys is still unhappy, he's kind of like Jaime, right? He thought that his sister was his, the brother, who was unhappy at this wedding, and yet,

yeah, Circe and Daenerys sold off anyway. So, I don't know, clearly unhealthy sibling dynamics all over here, and Not not necessarily this, but you have Jorah, interestingly, they're talking about how he's like their constant companion after this moment I'm like, oh, yes, he's always there because turns out he's going to report it on everything. That's why he's always around. He's a spy He's going to report it on everything. That's why he's always around. He's a spy. No wonder she can't fucking trust anyone. Yeah. Can't trust Elirio, can't trust Jorah, all these motherfuckers. It's fucked. Yeah. They're all gonna betray her. Of course, she's gonna feel isolated as hell all the time with her giant lizards. I can't believe they're doing this to her. Lizards seem kind of fun. It's so fucked up. Yeah, and like, it's fucked up. It's what happens to a lot of them, I guess, too.

Like, that's the sad thing, right? This is systemic. And you even see it like trickling down to the other people there at the wedding as well. Yeah, I look at that last chapter with John and Arya and there's that really sad line But very like bittersweet the memory of her laughter warmed him on the long ride north compared to Viserys and her riding with the Dothraki pretty soon after this and how unpleasant Viserys is and Hell even Jaime's treating Cersei nicer in Brand 1, which isn't saying much, but like, you know, not great on the incest scale today on how these kids are doing. Viserys needs to smarten up a little bit, you know? Maybe be kinder.

Yeah. True. True. Cersei and Jaime are almost like placeholders for who Viserys and Daenerys would have been had they probably grown up in the throne, right? Like, that's their role, taking away from them. They should have been siblings in the throne room. That's true. Fucking, probably. Fucking, yeah. I mean, maybe. Maybe. Or if Viserys had been born a woman, you know? That could have been him and Rhaegar. Maybe they also could have been fucking. Oh.

I'm just throwing back Daenerys' words again right here. Oh, so when it's lesbian incest, it's a problem, everyone. Oh my god. Yeah, so. I also think that coming back to some of what you were talking about with coin and passage being what Daenerys is being used for in many ways. She's also kind of being used as this sacrifice to keep the Dothraki away, right? We know that many of the cities give tokens to the Dothraki and that they, you know, don't want the Dothraki raiding their city, right? So everyone there, you have all these people, we talked about the Archon of Tyrosh being there,

we talked about that and like, why are all these different people here? And why are they giving so many presents to Daenerys? Ah, right, these are all the tributes saying, please don't fucking burninate my town, everyone. Please don't trample our city. Please let this be enough for you to go away for a couple years." And Daenerys is literally being part of that sacrifice to keep them away. It makes me think of, you know, Greek and Roman folklore of sacrifices or like, you know, the minotaur and sacrificing children annually to him. That's true. I mean, Pentos is built on sacrifice, right? Like that's, they tried to do that to the T Tatted Prince and he's like, uh-uh, not today.

And he pulled a little... Oh, Taddy. I know, right? Taddy-daddy. That doesn't work. I'll work on it. We'll work on it. Makes him sound like he's got a lot of tattoos, which is fun, too. Oh, a tattoo? But yeah, what a chapter so far. And Illyrio reassures that Drogo will fulfill his promise, offering Viserys a crown. When the time is right. After the marriage, and the presentation to the Doshkaleen at Vaes Dothrak. Plus, they can't go to the war until a vibe check happens,

and omens say that war is coming. The war is to come. Viserys, however, is impatient, despite counsel from Jorah and Illyria to wait. Mormont warns him not to anger Drogo or beg for a quick resolution. Ooh, can I be Viserys? Yeah, you didn't get to be him last time.

Okay, I haven't gotten to be him yet. Yeah, yeah. This is fun. I'm in my abuser era. Here I go. In my narcissist era. Jesus Christ, what the fuck is happening on the podcast lately? This is what happens when we do a weekly podcast for, what is it? Seven? Seven years? Too long.

Yeah. Um, too long. A holy number. No, I'm just kidding. That's why we have to end it at seven years. No, I'm just kidding. Sorry, you're over- What if we just suddenly stopped in the middle? That'd be sad. The series bristled. God, your tongue, Mormontor, I'll have it out. I am no lesser man. I am the rightful lord of the seven kingdoms. The dragon does not beg.

Ser Jorah lowered his eyes respectfully. Yeah, that's right, lower your eyes up on King Jorah. Oh my god. Yeah, all these 40,000 people here for Viserys. But there are no dragons, not anymore, Danny thinks, knowing not to say it out loud. Hmm, what could it mean? She dreams of a dragon that night. In her dream, Viserys hits her, he hurts her, and she's naked suddenly and clumsy with fear. She runs, but everything feels thick, and he strikes her again. He screams, kicking her, that she woke the dragon over and over again. Her thighs were thick with blood, and she shuts her eyes. She hears a giant ripping sound and

fire crackling, and when she looks, only columns of flame rise around her, and in the midst, the dragon. The dragon. It turned its head slowly, when its molten eyes found hers, she woke, shaking and covered with a fine sheen of sweat. She had never been so afraid until the day of her wedding came at last. Like this imaginary like dragon, like Drogon you chonky boy in her dreams.

I love, I love that like these visions and dreams she's getting. Oh my God, it's just like when I know I'm gonna start my period, first of all. Like I start getting really fucking insane and I'm like, what's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? And for three days I'm like having a breakdown and I'm gonna burn the world down and then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, that's what's wrong with me, huh? So that's like her, but she's birthing dragons.

I love the twist that like it isn't that she brings the dragons back, right? Like every chapter has been peppered that she's gonna wake the dragon. Whether it's metaphorically, subconsciously, viscerously, like whatever way that we're hearing it here. Every chapter has a cute little, but there are no more dragons. Not anymore, Danny thinks, knowing not to say it out loud. The twist isn't just that she births dragons. It's that she births three of them. Right. Three motherfuckers, like, three giant wing bitches. Well, eventually they're not giant yet, but they will be. This girl brings back three, like, and it's her that does it, right? Like, these are the big parts

that are so important. She becomes a powerhouse. She transforms overnight. She's magical. Yeah. This is her- oh my god, it's our Sailor Scout transformation! It is, I bet someone's animated that and made it. Please someone, send it to me if you find it. These are the Chekov's eggs. What is more expensive in today's economy, dragon eggs or chicken eggs? Discuss. I mean, Olerio is hoarding cheese and dragon and egg.

Like, he's hoarding dairy wealth. That man's making like cheese omelets, like, luxurious. Sounds so good. So am I just hungry? We also have... I'm almost hungry. You know, I like, I just realized there's kind of a little bit of a maybe a little bit of something fun here of she's getting cold feet on while being worried about waking the dragon, which is about like warmth, right? And fire. So I was like, haha, maybe. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know that's not like really written in there.

I was just like, haha, it's kind of funny thinking about temperatures and stuff. But also the transformation, the dragon, right? It's very much this transformation of a symbol that inspired fear in her at first, right? The dragon and waking it in the guise of a series. And it's really cool to see how it becomes a symbol of strength for her instead. Like she becomes the dragon. Her becoming the dragon is like, that's the thing. This dream isn't even about her. It's always been about that.

Yeah, it's about her being the dragon, not even her bringing them. Like you need to wake the dragon, girlfriend. Yeah. It's time. Yeah, I mean, that she reminds herself later in this chapter, I am the blood of the dragon, right? She's never gotten to like co-opt those phrases for herself.

They've always been these phrases that belong to Viserys, that belonged to Rhaegar, that belonged to other men in her family. They've never gotten to belong to her. Absolutely. The ceremony lasts from dawn to dusk. They drink, they feast, they fight, they even fuck. Dany sits beside Drogo on a raised ramp, surrounded by the Sea of Dothraki. She's frightened by their customs, by their language, their voices, what they wear.

Painted leather, horsehair leggings, and bronze belts. They grease their hair, eat horse flesh, drink mare's milk and Illyrio's wine. Yeah, so we're introduced to the concept of, I think, like, a rocks, basically, here, the weapons that they have. And realizing now they were basically scimitars, and I'm just, like, stupid. I guess I would imagine them as more, like, circular, kind of like little sides, which is stupid. I'm just dumb.

Anyways, I like some of this language of, but out under the open sky, they kept the old ways in regards to the Dothraki, and I thought that was really interesting language as we think about the Dothraki alongside the First Men, right? And they they talk about how, you know, the Dothraki come to the city and instead of just assimilating to all Pentos, they're here, they're celebrating, they are doing their culture. And then also it makes me think of how, you know, the contrast with the old ways, we have a bunch of first men, our main characters, right? A bunch of them are a first-men lineage, if you will, and they're going to a new place with different customs, they're going to don will, and they're going to a new place with different customs,

they're going to don perfume, and they're going to pretend to be like the soatherens there for a bit. Yeah, and I found it really fascinating that when we really get into those old ways, it's soon with John's chapters with Sam, right? Is really the first like we delve in. I went back to that. Yeah, exactly. For the wall. I went back to that first Catalan chapter and we really don't go into the old gods that much and Ned doesn't really go into them that much besides praying to the heart tree because for Ned his religion is like a very private thing, right? His faith and what he believes in in totality is very private. I think he has that very effective quietness. But like Sam and John at the Weirwoods and getting all that background in the Weirwoods and seeing

more of it, that's really the first time we even see anything close to the old ways where I think in the TV show, they did a lot of explaining, you know, by throwing it in the dialogue. Like I remember Ned telling Brenne, ours is the old way. Yeah, and I think Ned's very good at keeping those customs and the heritage and stuff alive, but when it comes to, I think, fascinatingly, as we discussed during the Catlin chapters, the one who really believes in the old gods and those kinds of things turns out to actually be Catlin. She's like, why are you not more afraid of these omens, Ned? Ned's like, I don't why are you not more afraid of these omens? Ned's like, I don't know, I'm kind of like a cultural, like a cultural old gods believer, you know?

He's like, I'm kind of agnostic about it. Yeah, he's basically like, I don't know, I go to like tree every now and then, but I don't really celebrate. Not like every Sunday, you know what I mean? Yeah. I donate when I'm there. Another religion that we take part in is Fashion Hour, right? And we do have some Fashion Hour going on because Viserys is decked out in Targaryen Jedi clothing, a black Targaryen tunic.

He's clearly pissed too. He's further incensed when he is offered the rejected portions of the married couple's food, which is actually a thing in Westeros. This is also a Westerosi tradition that the couples and the lords take the highest piece and then offer it. Think of Bran in the Harvest Feast, sending the portions he did not want down to his friends instead and sending it to them first. Viserys automatically takes that as a rejection, as a slight, and you can tell on his face. Dany smiles though through all of this until it hurts and she feels ready to cry.

I like that you called him out as being in Jedi clothing because he does basically show up as a Force ghost at the end of dance. Yeah. I like that you also brought it back to the Westerosi feast because he is here, right? Clad all in black and it makes you think of maybe Jon. Again, as you were saying, like, he's about to go take the black. He's at a different piece and he himself is also thinking about his station, right, which has always, always, always been below the others. He's like mad about them seating the bastard far away. And then the series, he's thinking about his station to how he's seated below Danny. And yet like, then he's like, Oh my god, I would literally rather be sitting down

there. I do not want this. I do not want all of the eyes on me. She's feeling alone in this crowd, feeling very perceived and invisibility has very much been her armor this entire time, right? Wanting to go unnoticed because being unnoticed means that no one can can hurt you. A lot like Will, if you... Will? A lot like Will, one of the main characters in his dark materials Yeah, boy, I miss those kids They miss each other You know what I was listening to the other day now to go too far on the tangent Daniel Bettingfield if you're not the one

Yeah, I thought I told you right? I also associate, what is it? I think the title of the song is Ghost, maybe, by Justin Bieber with Will and Lyra. We'll have to get into this another time. Maybe we need an HGM app soon. Just a random thinking about HGM app. True. I mean, that could be called the secret Commonwealth one day. I hear, like, Pullman said that he's in the next book might

be out by end of this year. So what an interesting feeling. I love how you kind of called out Viserys against Jon, but it also makes me think about Viserys against Aegon, right? And like what Aegon is doing when he is almost in a very similar position in the Free Cities and he's on his Oscar campaign for the throne and like Viserys here is like, I'm gonna be a whiny little motherfucker about my life. But Aegon, even though he's

been raised entitled, he still has charm. He's still very suave. Like this is, you should be kissing babies right now, right? Like, you should be wheeling and dealing, not sitting solen at a feast where you're still a guest of honor. This is when you should be seen being gracious, right? Diplomatic even. I don't know, I just find it very fascinating that he, you could see the outline here of him thinking he is owed this throne after all he has suffered, but not moving a finger for it. That's a great point. Like he, it's actually even kind of like Stannis if you will. Like this is, as you said, this is a fantastic opportunity for Viserys to schmooze and get to know,

I get to know what would be his men. You want these people to fucking die for you? All right, get to know them." And that's like what Jon gets an opportunity to kind of do, right? And then he's forced to be apart from everyone else once he becomes the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Yeah, it's crazy to think about those opportunities against Viserys here. Like, clearly, I get it. Yeah, this was like a really great opportunity for me. I was also so confused there when you said contrasting him with Egan and I was like, which Egan is she talking about? And then you kept talking and I was like, okay, that one, the one in the current story that we get reveals of later on. I was like, there's so many Agans. All shall be revealed.

Egan Frey. Jingle Bell. Don't keep all your eggs in one basket. Yeah, you would be rich. Oh my god. Daenerys tries to control her own emotions in order to basically please everyone around her throughout this entire ceremony, especially though, Viserys. She's given food, steaming joints of meat and thick black sausages and Dothraki blood pies and later fruits and sweet grass stews and delicate pastries from the kitchens of Pentos, but she waves it away, knowing she can't keep it down. far from you. You gotta go. It's I think the Tibetan one. You gotta go. So in this moment,

as we look at Daenerys, right, she's trying to please everyone, it's very much a courtesy is her armor, right, against the people. Sadly, against the people who are closest to her, courtesy has been her armor against her family, and now it's going to be that with her husband. And it's really hard to perform courtesy in a culture that you don't know because so much of it is based around cultural norms. And she doesn't know the cultural norms of the people that she's marrying into. And it's not like, how would she, right? It's not like they have the internet and you just go and you're like tell me about Dothraki people right we see that people make up so much stuff about the cultures that they don't know you know everyone has opinions and besides that she has the lack of language to talk to anyone right these people that I guess Viserys has quote unquote gifted to

her can help her with that. But you don't know if you're giving offense to anyone in the language or even with the smallest motion, right? How can you please everyone when you don't know the rules? It's a really difficult position to be in. Yeah, could have used that a little earlier, right? Three days earlier, just for a crash course. Yeah, it's really sad that like, and, it's impressive. It's an impressive feat that she teaches herself all of this, but also like, you see how you can easily be isolated and alone even worse in a situation like this, being married to someone you don't know, who speaks a language you don't know, with customs you don't know.

Catalin obviously didn't quite have that, but we already hear a little bit about the different changes in culture and a lot of the shock that she experiences at this point in the story. So George is obviously showing a lot of transformative work of, you know, what it's like and where you're going on a path like that and different characters that learn to either be a part of the culture or reject it. That's true. You can embrace it or you can reject it. And Viserys is like, I will simply reject it and Viserys is like, hmm, I will simply reject it. Yeah, it's crazy he doesn't like that because like their fashion sense out of this world,

he could really get ahead with something like that. They're also like partying, you know? Crown, you know, like the crown get ahead. Oh, ha. Thank you. So no one speaks to Dani. The call barely looks at her, and she doesn't understand the Dothraki language that Drogo and his bloodriders speak. The call knows only a few words of Valyrian and none of the common tongue.

It's a good thing that Daenerys is fluent in Valyrian. It's actually kind of interesting now that I think about why didn't they fucking talk in Valyrian later in this chapter anyway um George Illyrio and her brother are too far below to even speak to we have a quote of so she sat in her wedding silks nursing a cup of honeyed wine afraid to eat talking silently to herself I am blood of the dragon she told herself I am Daenerys Stormborn, Princess of Dragonstone, of the Blood and Seed of Aegon the Conqueror." It's crazy what a wheel this story really is, right? Because when we get to a dance

with dragons, we have a chapter where she's sitting alone, drinking honeyed booze, eating honeyed locusts, I should say. But she's sitting at her own wedding celebrations in a dance with dragons, right, and she's also isolated and alone. She's not really much different than she is right now. She can't trust the people around her. Her husband, for example, but she's smarter at this time. She's grown, she's gotten smarter, so she approaches it obviously very differently, but I feel like a lot of the internal dialogue is similar at that time. I think a lot about this versus her, like, climbing those steps in Meereen, sitting on her bench, and how alone she truly feels in some of her internal dialogue in that chapter in comparison to this. Yeah, absolutely. Like, it's all just performance.

None of it is ever, like, really for her. She never gets to actually enjoy her own weddings. They're all transactions. Yeah. I love this line. I feel like we could see it be used again in many ways by George. The sun was only a quarter of the way up the sky when she saw her first man die." Mm. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that being reused somewhere. Drums beat as women dance for the call, who watches and tosses a bronze medallion for

them to fight over. Warriors enter the circle, one mounting a woman like a stallion. Illyrio had warned Dany that the Dothraki mate in herds without shame or privacy. By the time she looks away, more warriors step forward, drawing a rocks, the razor-sharp blades. No one intervenes, and the fight ends quickly, with the winner taking a woman while the slaves remove the body. Everything returns to normal. It makes me think of some of the stuff on sin and shame and a feast for crows with Sam and Gilly and the summer islanders, we start to really see that the eastern cities think differently than how the west necessarily thinks about things or what's appropriate, right? We've

started to see a little bit of what king's landing life would be like and what's appropriate and what's not appropriate, like Catalin talking about bastards here, none of that is really cared about. Yeah, or even like John, right? North of the wall with the free folk. That's like kind of out in the open in that all they have is a sleeping bag kinda. Also camping, literally. A sleeping bag and a boner. How many relationships have been started by a boner on the butt, you know? How many?

I think a lot, I assume. Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot. I think that's uh, it's really beautiful when you really think about it. We have a quote here of Magister Olyrio had warned Dany about this too. A Dothraki wedding without at least three deaths is deemed a dull affair, he had said. Her wedding must have been especially blessed. Before the day was over, a dozen men had died. As the hours passed, the terror grew in Dany until it was all she could do not to scream. Real?

Dani until it was all she could do not to scream. Real? Dani is afraid of the Dothraki, she fears her brother, and she fears what will happen under the stars that night when she's given to the hulking, drunken stranger whose face is still and cruel. Yeah, we have this line here of, she was afraid of the Dothraki, whose ways seemed alien and monstrous as if they were beasts in human skins, not true men at all." And I'm like, they're not the best thoughts, but also she's 13 and terrified. And as we said before, you can't just like go on the internet and learn about, I guess,

the other cultures in this world. We see that a lot of people get to learn from one another, directly from one another, and learn to overcome their prejudices like very directly together throughout the story. But and she very much embraces their culture as it goes. And so ignoring that, I kind of really like this line of as if they were beasts and human skins and not true men at all, because it resonates with a lot of the story. At this moment she fears her brother, who is claiming to be a dragon himself, which is, you know, a beast in human skin kind of thing, because like dragons are beasts. And then the way that the story unfolds, it's likely that Daenerys is going to seem very alien and monstrous to the Westerosi, especially when she comes in with like a bazillion people, right? And it's the way

that those are the First Men lineage. Like the Free Folk seemed alien and monstrous to a lot of our POVs when everything first started. Speaking of the First Men, their storyline is very much about literally blurring the lines between beasts and men. And we're going to see Daenerys fall in love with a warg, right? Someone who's probably going to have spent a lot of time in his beast because he got Caesar'd at the end of book five. And Daenerys herself, right? She's probably becoming more of a dragon as well, as she becomes closer to Drogon. And as we explore the connection that the Dragon

Riders had with their mounts, there's a lot of theories that their connection might be kind of similar to the ones that skin changers have with their animals. So beasts and human skin and vice versa is something that Daenerys and her storyline are really going to embrace and become about. Wow. Incredible. I'm wow. We don't even have to finish. I mean, you did it. That was it. Thanks for coming to the episode. I finished. I'm going to the window. People get thrown from there. True. That did happen recently. And then they went to brunch on March 9th. Oh my god, how does she get away with the same jokes twice? They're not even good jokes, but I love them. It's called the game. If you keep repeating it, it becomes

funny. That's what I was told in improv. Wow. Daenerys has, again again a line, I am the blood of the dragon, she told herself again. So she's repeating her mantra, she's saying her affirmations, Dany is drinking her water, she's serving, go off girl, good vibes. The sun is almost done setting. Bad vibes. And Cal Drogo commands it's time for Dani's bride gifts. After the gifts, she would take her first ride and then consummate her marriage. So the first ride and the moment that she fears, it all happens after the sun goes down. And this isn't really much of anything, but I just thought it was kind of fun that night and fear are associated with one another because we get later on, you know, that heavily hammered home by Melisandre.

And also things about the Long Night. Oh, yes, Nightfalling. Ooh, Nightfalling? Nightfalling something. Nightfall, wow. She hugs herself to keep from shaking and the gifts begin. Viserys gives her three handmaids, which cost him nothing because Illyrio provided them. Eri and Xiqui were copper-skinned Dothraki with black hair and almond-shaped eyes, Dorea a fair-haired blue-eyed lysine girl. Viserys tells her they were chosen for her, Eerie to teach her to ride, Xiqui to speak Dothraki, and Dorea to teach her the womanly arts of love. He tells her both Illyrio and himself think Dorea is quite good. Vomiting. But good for her. Three mounts. I like that we get the three again, right? Child of three.

Already, everything is three. Three eggs, three girls. Mm, true. Three weapons when we get the weapons. You're like, wow, there's a lot of magic happening in Dani's story. Even before you get to the end of the book, you're like, what's mean? What's gonna happen? What do we think all these dragon things mean, everyone? Jorah apologizes for what he calls a small gift. I think he should just apologize all the time in general. I mean, I would I would be happy to get old books, whatever. But like, not from Jorah. I don't believe in book burning. But if Jorah Mormont gave me books,

gave me books. JK JK. But anyways, they were histories and songs of the Seven Kingdoms, written in the common tongue. And she thanked him with all her heart. Hmm. Finally, something so she won't be so alone. Something in the words that she knows, something close to the home she never knew. Yeah. Too bad it's from Jorah. Sorry. Hey, the worst person you know just made a good point, okay? I know, right? That does happen. Anyways. Illyrio commands four slaves to bring forward a cedar-bronze chest and inside, piles of the finest Belvets in Damascus lay beneath three beautiful rich eggs. At first she thinks they're porcelain or blown glass, but when she looks at them she realizes they feel like stone. One egg was a deep green, with burnished bronze flecks that came and went depending on how

Dany turned it. Another was pale cream, streaked with gold. The last was black, as black as the midnight sea, yet alive with scarlet ripples and swirls." Elyria says they're dragon's eggs from the Shadowlands beyond Asshai, stony and beautiful. Something fun going on with the language here. By the way of him not saying dragon eggs, he's saying dragon's eggs dragon apostrophe s eggs possessive. So he's saying dragons, eggs, dragon, apostrophe s, eggs, possessive. So he's denoting that one dragon potentially laid these eggs, a clutch. So something to think about, right?

That one dragon laid them. And to think about Daenerys herself, who hatches the three eggs, right? Like they're a clutch, like she's their mother, as we come to call her mother. I'm excited to see these kind of come to life and talk more about the colors and the names and all that fun stuff. It's something I just love. I love these descriptions of how they look. And there's something so beautiful and poetic here, right? That Illyrio There's something so beautiful and poetic here, right, that Illyrio probably thought by handing over three dead-ass fossilized Valyrian treasures and denaries to Drogo, right? She's similar to that.

She's thought to be a fossil, a Targaryen, a meek Targaryen that's been cowed and sold off. Drogo is a collector, as we talked about, so he has three dragon eggs and a Targaryen princess to add to his manse with all the beautiful stonework of the Doom. Illyrio thought he was paying off the Dothraki to leave him alone, maybe even get protection, but by sacrificing Daenerys, she's going to come back too, right, with the eggs that she's going to birth and come to life with. She's coming back with those eggs, and she's bringing Hel back for what he did with the eggs that she's going to birth and come to life with. She's coming back with those eggs, and she's bringing Hell back for what he did with the Dothraki, who

he thought probably would protect him. I love this. I love a big serving, a big wedge of dramatic irony being served with Lyrio because we're gonna get so much drama with it, because we're gonna get the unveiling of the betrayals and stuff with Egen, and it's gonna be so good. It's gonna be so juicy. And all those pieces are in place for tatters. Right. And this is not an important question. And all those pieces are in place for like tatters and This is not an important question we don't have to linger on it, but I want to put it out there What do we think dragon eggs taste like we will never know they're too difficult to break open

Mmm, you know like the Chinese the thousand-year eggs. Oh, yeah, the century eggs and stuff Yeah, or century that's what century of blood century eggs The sentry eggs and stuff, yeah. Or sentry, that's what it is. Sentry of blood eggs. The sentry eggs? The sentry of blood eggs, that's what they taste like. I'm just saying sentry of blood because of the Dothraki and the Valyrians. Maybe, I mean, yeah, I guess especially these ones, because right, these have been kept

preserved for so long, so these ones must taste more like that. Yeah, because they're like creamy and like also weird and pungent, right? Like ammonia-ish almost. Perfect to put on your kanji. Mmm, kanji. Mmm, kanji. Oh god, I'm gonna die. I'm so hungry. I know, right? I think we're- Those thick black sausages.

Yeah, we're going through this chat. This happens to us all the time. We're always like, hmm, I think I'm hungry. We do this every week. I know, right? You think we would learn. We do not. Mm-hmm. We are about young girls who know what their stomachs were. Who are hungry. She says she will treasure them always and thinks it's a magnificent gift. It really is though, even though he certainly has the funds after selling her to Khal Drogo.

Drogo's blood riders also give her great weapons. They're not like really for her, so it's kind of rude, but not in Dothraki culture. But in my opinion, a little. It's a leather whip. It's a leather whip with a silver handle from Haggho, a golden rock from Koholo or Khoio? And a double curved dragon bone bow from Kotho. That one's hard to say. Double curved dragon bone bow. Oh, it's kind of got a nice little staccato beat bow. That's great. It's so hard. Say it again. One more time. Double curved dragon bone bow. Also, I don't think I will ever be like a good cipher in terms of like rapping. I don't think I have it in me.

Come on, Lin-Man-Well-It. Lin-Man-Well-I-Ana. Legacy. We talked a little bit about the dragon bone in the last chapter, right? That Illyrio trades in dragon bone, literally, and in like luxury items. So a couple things obviously dragon eggs which also feel like the bone of dragon in some aspects. Dragon bone bow, a double-curved dragon bone bow feels really significant as well. Looking at all of these, these are all three items that Daenerys has a connection with right the leather whip with the silver handle. I think of her with the dragon whip Yeah

Curved dragon bone bow is literally made of dragon. It's dragon bone. It's made of her entire Bloodline her legacy her dragons I could see her maybe not wielding it necessarily, but it coming into play being wielded by one of her blood rivals. And a golden Arak, I think in a lot of ways the Arak still follows her, right? Dario's, Dario uses them still. His are very, I mean, if you close your eyes and you think of Dario's Arak, not his cock, not his akak, but you think of them, you see them, you know?

Whoa, Akak! But you think of what they look like, the gilded figureheads on them and how he runs his fingers over the pommel. So I feel like the Arak still stays very connected and it's interesting because these are those true trappings. They're meant for her husband, so it's like a fake present to your point. And she has to like respectfully decline and give them to her husband, but in a way she comes to need them in her story. Like they are all gifts she needs more than her husband will need.

Yeah, I love that like each of it kind of represents parts of her storyline too, you know, like you're talking about you know the whips and the way that like even that comes to play in in her story with the slavery storyline and also I don't know. I'm trying to figure out like what's up with the dragon bone. I like what you said of how it has to do with her own culture that marriage of the Targaryen princess and the Dothraki warlord I kind of wonder if there's like more to it that I don't know, but I didn't really think about it till you mentioned it of like who is going to use each of these and like she doesn't give them away, but later on.

It doesn't mean they won't come back. Well, she gives them to like I think like write her blood writers and I don't know. It was a fun thought for me briefly though of like would Aria maybe use the dragon bone bow just because we kept talking about like I don't know they keep her with the bow yeah they she keeps talking about wanting to learn archery and I'm like well girl you got like two more books left when are you gonna do it but she she picked up like sorting. We've got at least three. She picked up sorting like pretty pretty fast if you think about it. So like she could be a prodigy. She was a prodigy in like the show. They had her doing archery at the beginning even though like it was she did in the book. Anyways, anyway, could be Theon.

She gives the turn. It could be Theon. Oh yeah. Okay. Well, it makes me think of like Brandon Snow's Weirwood bow too. So I think of like the connections of like a Weirwood bow being white as bone and then the dragon bow being black because their bones are black in the books. Yeah. I don't know. There's something there. There's something there. I think yeah, I think a lot about Bloodraven too. So I don't know. Yeah. She gives the traditional refusals. This is a gift worthy of a great warrior, oh blood of my blood, and I am but a woman,

let my lord husband bear these in my stead. So I love the language of this and how going and I am but a woman sounds a bit like I am but a young girl, no little in the ways of war, right? Worthy of a great warrior and I am but a Woman. And this is on her wedding night that she learns to start downplaying herself when it comes to that martial stuff, right? Whether it's a warrior or like ways of war. And I love how later on as her story progresses, she plays with the language of this and these expectations later on. And it becomes kind of like this famous phrase that we associate with Daenerys of like, don't y'all are underestimating me. It's kind of like Tyrion's armor, you know? Yeah, she goes from being made meek her entire life,

right? Her entire life, she's been made to have to bend, she's been made to bow, and instead she gets to own that and use it in her own way and use it to her advantage. Her and Sansa definitely have a great parallel of that, right? I am only the little bird speaking the lines they've taught me, repeating the lines they've taught me. Yeah, it becomes their strength. She's given slippers and jewels and silver rings for her hair, medallion belts, painted vests, soft furs, sand silks, jars of scent, needles, feathers, bottles of purple glass, a gown made from a thousand mice's skin, thousand mouses, I don't know, the skin of

a thousand mice. Meese. No, no, no. Meese is a plural of moose. That's moose, yeah. Wow. Yeah, meese, no, no. Meese is a plural of moose. That's moose. Wow. Yeah, meese, moose. Yeah.

Yeah. Because goose goose, I mean. It's kind of like when we, you and I first recorded together a long, long time ago. It's kind of like Coachella, aka the tourney at Ashford. That's what this trash itself. Anyways. Yeah. Well, like you were saying, it's like Burning Man out here.

Yeah. There's all these installations. Right? People are toasted. Like, I mean, they've straight up fried their brains on acid. Pop-up city. That's what Burning Man is. I thought that was the whole point. You make like- Yeah, it is. It is. A temporary city. Which is kind of Dothraki wherever they go. Exactly. Part of me wonders if this is a little reference in a way to Donkey Skin, Charles Perrault, in verse. It's a fairy tale folklore bit that he wrote back in 1695. There are many variants of this story since then. The Slovakian version and the Slavic version might even be closer because they actually are talking about mouse skin. But it's basically a Cinderella story with a little incest, so get ready. The good stuff.

Basically, a wealthy man, his donkey shits gold, his wife dies, and on her deathbedbed She's like you must marry a woman who is as beautiful as I am So he decides he mulls it over after she's gone and it's been a few days and he's like hmm Maybe it's been a few days It might be even sooner than that, but he's sitting there and he's like hmm rich rich shitting donkey What should I do and he's like I know I'll marry my daughter for she is the only woman who could be anywhere near as beautiful as my wife was. So the daughter tries to stop that from happening and she's like, no. And her fairy godmother, Lilac, the Lilac fairy, shows up and she's like, I know what you should do. You should make impossible demands. Wish for a dress made out of impossible materials that he could never make. That way, when he fails you, you can back out of the contract.

And isn't it so funny how much folklore is like, and then the woman was able to back out of the contract for her life. Isn't that so crazy? So she asks for dresses made of the sun, dresses that are made of the moon, of the stars, the sun, moon, and stars, and somehow her father fulfills every request. Her godmother gives her a chest to put the dresses in, thanks godmother, and she's like, you need to run away, but you need to wear this donkey skin cloak to disguise yourself and become really ugly and it'll magically keep you safe. And so she does. She wears the donkey, the magic donkey skin as a cloak, and she then in private, when people like people see her and they're like, ah, you're so ugly. Oh God, so gross. And she's like, yes, I'm hidden and disguised.

And then like she would go in her room with the chest of dresses, kind of like Sansa's chest of dresses, her cedar chest, but she would go in the room and put the dresses on and kind of almost little princess, you know, remember who she was. And one day a prince watches her through a keyhole and he's like, oh my god, that girl is trying on gorgeous dresses and I'm in love with her.

And through a series of like Cinderella events, she like drops a ring and a cake and he's like, whoever this ring fits, I'm gonna marry and it's her, oh my god. So he declares he's gonna marry her and it turns out that her parent, her dad, and his parents are like, oh my god, what a good match. Holy shit. Like, why didn't we think of that? Yo, that's so crazy, bro. You almost married your daughter. And then they get married.

So crazy time. Charlie P. Gotta hook it up, check it out, that's donkey skin motherfuckers, but also many of the other versions translate to mouse skin. And you have that great symbolism of the mouse, right? Or like, think of Mah-D, the humble desert mouse, right? Much like Daenerys. Daenerys has the Mahdi going on for her. Symbolic, humility, and meekness, but then mighty, right? Mighty is the mouse who learns the ways of the desert. And you pull off the mouse skin and it's a dragon. Yep.

She does do all that, that's true. That was a wild fairy tale. that was terrifying and very strange. You're welcome. And like, I just, there's a lot of questions I have like, why did he choose, why was he like, yeah, my daughter, like that's not fucking weird. Why do any of them, man? And that's true, like there's a lot of monsters out there. And then for him to agree, like, yeah, I won't marry you until I fulfill all these random ass parts of the con

Why did he like, you know, he's already unhinged enough to have come up with this idea. I'm surprised he agreed to this contract And then like oh, yeah, I didn't think about it. Damn Yeah Well, and yeah for him to be like sure I'll do all these dresses, and like, if I fail, then I simply won't marry, like, why? And I don't know, there's just, that was wild. Um, I think George has definitely read them, all that said. Like, he's definitely read a lot of Perot. Yeah. I mean, you have Sleeping Beauty, you have so many, he loves that man. I think this is- He likes French shit. This is like one of the scariest stories I've ever heard, I think, somehow. What the fuck? Anyways, we have this line here also from Illyrio going,

A handsome gift, Khaleesi. Sorry. A handsome gift, Khaleesi, Magister Illyrio said of the last, after he had told her what it was like, most lucky. I don't know, when I speak as Illyrio, I imagine myself also twirling a mustache. Like, I think that's part of how you get in character. You have to twirl your imaginary mustache as you say the lines. Yeah, I imagine myself full of cheese, twirl the mustache with- but I also have jowls,

so like I'm imagining them like shaking as I laugh and I boom my voice. That's how I do it. Hmm, okay. Imagine yourself eating a lot of cheese, you little rat. I like to do that, but I don't feel that way right now. I feel so the opposite. I wish to be full of cheese. So she's given more than she could imagine being given or wanting or using and last, Cal Drogo brings a present for her. A young filly, spirited and splendid, gray as the winter sea,

mane like silver smoke. Cal Drogo said something in Dothraki and Magister Illyrio translated, "'Silver for the silver of your hair,' the Khal says." She's beautiful. "'She is the pride of the Khalasar. Custom decrees that the Khaleesi must ride a mount worthy of her place by the side of the Khal.'" Ooh, a little feminism. Okay, girl boss, yeah. Actually, literally, that's the whole season on Girl's Gone Cannon here. Oh my god, yes, girl boss, yes! Yeah, for a lot of it, honestly, yeah. Unironic.

I like the, a dragon would fit this custom, right? A mount worthy of a cowl? Yeah, I mean he does kind of give her that gift too in a way by dying. I mean exactly, worthy of a cowl like life for life, equivalent exchange bro. Man, Daenerys should have watched World Metal Alchemist first and then she would have known. I bet streaming would cost an arm and a leg out there. Or I mean three eggs. Three bird eggs. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Nice. Dang. Sorry, that took me a second. That was good. That was good. Wow.

It was soft pot in for me. I mean, I'm gonna be honest, you left it wide open. Yeah. I do that. So Drogo puts her on the saddle as if she were a child. Probably because she is. And she sits there and she is a child. All right, but like this is literally the line, but am I a child bride? Yes, you are.

She asked Alleria what she should do and Jorah answers, telling her to take the reins and ride. And so she does. She's a fair rider and she forgets to be afraid. They move together with a silken gait and every eye watches them. And we're gonna read this line because I think it's one of the best lines in the whole fucking series. And for the first time in hours she forgot to be afraid. Or perhaps it was for the first time ever. For the first time in forever.

I know, I thought that too. Only because you said it and because I've been Disney-pilled lately. There are names if you put them together, kind of like mine, you know, if you think about it. Elsa and Anna. Elsiana? Yeah. I feel, are you more Anna-coded or Elsa-coded? It depends, I think.

There's an aspect of me that has a lot of anxiety. I think you're Kristoff-coded. Yeah, that's true. Or, or Olaf. All right, I'm moving on from that question. I don't ever want to think about that again. I'd like this compared to her riding Drogon in Adawada, right? We have her getting the air for the first time and riding and feeling free, feeling unafraid. And then, when she rides Drogon,

the lash was still in her hand. She flicked it against Drogon's neck and cried, higher! Her other hand clutched at his scales, her fingers scrabbling for purchase. Drogon's wide black wings beat the air. Dany could feel the heat of him between her thighs. Her heart felt as if it were about to burst. Yes! She thought, yes! Now, now, do it! Do it! Take me! Fly! I love that you could even put this at the end of the chapter in a couple aspects, too. I mean, this is… in some ways, the best mount she's ever had is Drogon. Yeah. It was a, yeah, we've talked about it a lot on this podcast, and I think I have in other

podcasts. It's a very sexually charged line. Yeah, intentionally it should be. It's a very crazy moment. You know, your body is becoming one with that we're gonna talk about that eventually yeah let's not blow our load so soon with our wet little thighs whatever that means also this is how it felt to drive for the first time as a teenager probably like

having your own vehicle I don't think that's how it felt for me no oh yeah I mean I was anxious and I totally hit things, but also it felt like free to have keys in your pocket knowing you could fly. Here I go, I could go anywhere with enough money for gasoline and insurance. Okay, the freedom's fleeting, never mind. Also that this is very much a chapter about where you sit, right? Whether it's up top or below or a horse's all the people around her melt away. She doesn't feel alone. She creates a space for herself while doing it. It's such a beautiful moment and absolutely for obvious reasons, you know, portends that yes, she will ride dragons. They go in the air. And that, you know, she will find her strength and get over her fears.

They trot, they sprint, and a fire pit looms in her path. Instead of turning back, a daring fills her, and she pushes the horse on to leap the flames. When she pulled up before Magister Illyrio, she said, "'Tell Cal Drogo that he has given me the wind.' The fat Pentoshi stroked his yellow beard as he repeated her words in Dothraki, and Dany saw her new husband smile for the first time. Sweet. A nice sweet moment, right? Something they can almost connect over. All right.

And later on he's like, I'm gonna really give her the wind by dying. Um, getting murdered. Jesus. Infection. As Drogo saddles his own horse, Viserys tells Dany to please Drogo or she'll wake the dragon like never before. And all the fear comes back. She feels even more like a 13 year old child than ever, not ready for what is about to

happen. Damn, way to kill a moment, Viserys. I know to happen. Damn way to kill a moment. I know. It was like just for a moment. Nope. And we already talked about this little last chapter and like, listen, this isn't fucking normal. Viserys was also like, are you sure this is normal?

No one thinks this is normal, right? Like, again, stop being weirdos about pedophilia, everybody. This is normal, right? Like again, stop being weirdos about pedophilia, everybody. Don't be like that man, that father in the fucking story that Chloe just read us. And if you want to hear more about how this is not actually like, it was like that back then or whatever, you can go listen to me talk about this chapter a first time in depth on not a podcast from fucking eight years ago?

I'm not even... I can't do that amount. It was so long ago, but you can go listen to that instead. Everyone's finding their footing. We are like denieries going on a horse the first time. No, we are like denieries going on a horse a thousandth time right now. Yeah, but like back then. We are old bitches.

Back then, if you want to hear me talk about that aspect of this chapter, I just don't feel like retreading it. I don't feel like retrotting it on this horse. Huh? By beating a dead horse, even though I probably will. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Drogo trots into the dusk, the bells in his braid are ringing softly, and she whispers aloud, I am the blood of the dragon, repeating it, thinking a dragon is never afraid. It's full dark when they stop and he takes her down from his horse. After he secures the horses, he turns to her. She's helpless, trembling, and she begins to cry.

No, he said. She thinks he must speak the common tongue, and she says so, but he says no again. Faked out. He touches her hair, murmuring in Dothraki, and it seems like he's saying something maybe tender and warm to her. He tilts her head so he can look into her eyes, puts her on a rounded rock at the stream, and sits cross-legged, telling her no once more. She asks if that's the only word he knows, but instead of responding, he begins to remove the bells from his hair. She leans forward to help, and when they're done, he gestures to her to take his braid out. He sits silently while she does. Finally, it's his turn to undress her. She covers herself, but he pulls her hands away and says

no once more. She echoes, no, back to him, but he stands her up all the same, and she is made naked in the chilly night air." They stay in silence for a while, him drinking in her body, but then he begins to touch her, lightly at first, then harder, but never hurting her. He plays with her nips, and eventually he pulls her into his lap. He cups her face in his hands, looking into her eyes and asks, no. Because that word can be a question also, so true. Grammatic awareness from Drogo. Um, she moves his hand to the wetness in her thighs and whispers, yes, pushing his finger inside of her and teaching him a new word. Again, now I realize they could have done Valyrian instead, but then obviously George wouldn't have gotten to write as the scene that he really wanted to do with the juxtaposition of no versus yes.

And for once, the show was right to change the scene based on how the next chapter, Daenerys III, goes. The show actually very much made a right decision to change this. And something that is interesting about it though is that tension of this is the only word that Drogo knows in the common tongue. It seems like he can understand a little, but it's the only word that he knows how to say. It's no, it's the idea of stopping, right? I mean, you all understand the concept of no

It's a powerful word and it is a word that Daenerys has never had access to her whole life And she still doesn't have access to in this moment as we see as her no is rebuffed She's had to do everything everyone else does no lets you assert your boundaries and your wishes and she's never had it that rings so loud and you're completely right, like, the whiplash between this chapter and next chapter is too extreme in some aspects. This is written, you know, almost apologetically, sympathetically, bittersweet, like very like, well it's a terrible thing but thank god he was nice to her and she'll get through it. And then the next chapter is completely just like a blow to the gut in a lot of ways. And I don't know, I'm curious about why George chose

to do it that way in some aspects, not curious enough to want to know necessarily, but a little curious. I think the show did the better choice of just adapting it upfront, because that's the truth of it. Yeah, it's the truth of it. She says no and he doesn't honor it, right? She doesn't really truly have a choice. And when you get to Jon and Ygritte, it's paralleled pretty similarly that Jon also kind of says no, and Ygritte does push and take advantage in many ways. So the power imbalance is very wrong, and it's interesting because in this end, what is attracting her to the situation is not Keldrogo, it's not his manners, it's not

him flirtatiously being like, no? There's this really funny Nikki Glaser bit that she used to do a long time ago where Nikki Glaser was like, it was like all about non consensual sex like oh, you know, like it's kind of cute kind of flirty like no, no, that's like what Drogo is. Yeah, it's totally dark humor, blue humor. But Drogo, that's kind of what he's doing here. No, no, no. Like, okay, very cutesy Drogo, whatever, it's not. But it's coercive in a lot of ways. And she's not attracted to Cal Drogo coercing her into sex for the first time. She's attracted to the freedom of power,

to the freedom of making your own choices in some ways or having a choice or having, and she doesn't necessarily, but the horse, being able to ride it out to here, it was almost like a waking up moment of there is more out there. I think Cersei, for example, you know, Cersei brings up some great bits of that, right, of many times in her plot, she will sleep with a man if it means she is able to wield some sort of power. I mean you think of witches, you think of Cersei in mythology, you think of even Melisandre in some aspects, being

able to utilize your body as that weapon does become an escape in some ways. So Daenerys doesn't get quite that in these chapters, but eventually she learns from these situations of how she can take more power in the dynamic. Yeah. Like later when she marries the next bozo. Yeah. And why not put a third, you know? We could have a third bozo. There probably will be. there's an interesting structure of how George R.R. Martin has already displayed sex three times leading up to this chapter. Danny too. We're already in big fuck zone, right?

Curl. And he, like, completely, like, lots of fucking going on. And something that George is doing is framing a lot of these things as certain, like a level of comfort in the sex, establishing a backstory and a history during the sex, and establishing the feeling during the sex. So like if we look at Catalin and Ned with this dynamic, there's the level of comfort. Ned rolled off and climbed from her bed as he had a thousand times before and familiarity, right? As we read the Catalin and Ned scene, it's less about the sex and more about the fact that they're familiar with one another. They've done this before. You have the feeling for Catalin. It's kind of a warm feeling. She looks upon Ned and

thinks about how he looks smaller and more vulnerable now, like how he did when she first met him, establishing a timeframe, and then the feeling of the sex overall. Her loins still ached from the urgency of his lovemaking. It was a good ache she could feel his seed within her. So as we start to look at these systemic structures of women that have been married off and the sex and what it looks like and what it's establishing in the plot. We have Catalin being a great way to frame being given to a stranger at 18, setting up a system of betrothing a highborn lady as coin in wartime, as payment for an army, as payment for an alliance, and then to mirror that with the series Danny and Drogo. And he's also framing everything in these different shades and textures of the rebellion to give us that context and to show us what we're stepping into another

war. And then we also see Cersei and Jaime through Bran's eyes, right? And I've deleted most of the Bran's eyes from this. Bran, cover those eyes, little guy, you should not have seen any of this. But establishing the level of comfort while Cersei is moaning no, so another instance to compare of someone saying no, but the sex still occurring, Cersei is moaning no at Jaime. It's clear they've done this many a time. There were soft wet sounds. Bran realized they were kissing, and the man had a hand down between her legs. The woman started to moan low in her throat, stop it, stop it, stop it, oh please. Her voice was low and weak and she did not push him away, her pulling him to her breasts, her hands and the hair, the whole thing.

They've obviously been having sexual relations for a very long time. A very long time! Very long time. I don't know what to talk about that. A very long time. Very long time. I don't even want to talk about that. But Cersei is sold, 1718, to the throne, to the king. Jaime is optioned to the Riverlands for an alliance when he's younger. The Dornish prince and princess are on a tour where basically their parents are like, marry

these bitches off. It's normal in Westeros, right? It's normalized for the Highborne, not for the Lowborne, but for the Highborne in times of war, that's money, that's payment. You've got a daughter, you've got a son, that's as good as it gets right there if you don't got gold. Yeah, for them to do it also with such urgency, right, in terms of having them wed so young as opposed to like waiting till they're betrothed to a much older age also

highlights the desperation of the situation. It shows you're fucking weak. It shows that you're desperate and that's why you're rushing it, which I think is also highlighted in terms of the marriage between Sansa and Tyrion. It shows that you are making this in a very hasty way and yeah, their property. Even even Katlyn, this one the show should not have done. They in the show they whitewash it and they make Katlyn like and Ned's thing seem as though Ned was a very good guy. Like they still did it. It is a systemic, it is a systemic thing. Like as Cersei does say in the show, like they hurt little girls everywhere. And I mean, there's even like an argument to be made of like, let's say the man's not too willing to be in it too. Like, that's not great either. But it's obviously like, much like a bear. Yeah, much more expected and stuff of like, there's, there's much more pain and and horror associated around it when it comes to the rape of all of these highborn women. I mean, obviously the lowborn women are

raped too. They just don't always get a marriage out of it. What is it, sir, she says? Everyone's in for a little bit of a rape. Oh yeah, I think she- Hooray, Westeros! In A Clash of Kings. Yep, yeah. Yeah! I think there's something so interesting of the way that we see these people that have had sex forever with each other and then you get introduced to Daenerys and Khal Drogo's first time, which is very much unfamiliar, awkward, and not like those scenes, not spent establishing plot, not spent contextualizing where these characters have been. These are characters that are just meeting where all the sex we've already seen in these handful of chapters was experienced by people that have been doing it forever. Yeah, like, and her husband, right, has obviously, like, done this for a while. He's...

He will rape her in the next chapter. He's raped lots of women and girls, presumably, before, right, because that is what they do with these raids. And there's kind of almost a, I think, the self aggrandizing aspect to it of like, perhaps he was nice in this chapter, but not in the next one, because he's like, it's our wedding night, it should have some ceremony to it. And she's a young girl, it's her very first time and being like, yeah, I guess at least her first time can be like gentle. And then be like, well, we did that we did the bare minimum, right, and then moves on to how it is in the next chapter. But I don't I don't know. I think it was just like, the fuck, George. And I think maybe it's a very soft, slow way and into it like, okay, let me get you guys on board before I then go hard the rest of the book. I don't know. it like, okay, let me get you guys on board before I then go hard the rest of the book. I don't know. Yeah, I guess he's trying to show us like the idea that he's playing with all those expectations,

right? Like the beautiful queen and her beautiful knight, what the fuck are they doing? You know, all that glitters is not gold. And how even something that seems scary, right, can be something that you grow into, which is very much a big part of what Daenerys' storyline is about, it's what Jon's storyline is about, so. Yeah. Well, I'm curious to find out what happens to this young Daenerys girl. Yeah, I don't really know. Curious.

If only I had another book. Well, it could be- I do, A Clash of Kings! Yeah, we have four more books But technically only three she's not in feast. Yeah chicken Yeah, no crows chicken crows not chicken chicken. Oh, you two crows two crows bop bop We've been two crows today just just balk balkin', yap yapin'. True.

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