Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 245 — AGOT Daenerys IV

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

The city of Vaes Dothrak awakens. In the shadow of the Mother of Mountains, something stirs in a young girl's womb, emboldening her. --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon Reads A Song of Ice and Fire, episode 245, Denarius IV, in a Game of Thrones. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. Welcome back, everyone. We have another sandwich episode, and by that we mean sandwiched not in the way that you would think. Go on, Eliana, tell us more! I was gonna say it's sandwiched in air, but technically the air is maybe when we have an episode because we're spewing hot air all the time, but... We'll tell you about that schedule in just a second. First, this month, March on Patreon.com slash Girl Scone Cannon. Patrons in the Stranger tier and above will have a bonus episode because you get a bonus episode every single month unless we pause our Patreon like we did last month.

This month's episode is on Dune Prophecy and actually I'm very kind of into it. I think I like it. I think I like it. I think I'm into it. I'm excited to talk to you about your thoughts and questions and speculations on it. Yeah, I have thoughts and you'll have to tune in to find out whether I liked it or not. Because it's so hard.

I've been like holding myself back. All these things that I'm going to want to ask Chloe to please explain to me. So that will be a big portion of the episode too. Like, what the fuck is this? We'll see if I give honest answers or not, too. Like, maybe I'll just fuck with you, you know? Maybe I'll just be like, yes, Eliana, and give you lives. You'll never know until you read the fucking books. Yeah, if only I had truth sight. Truth sight, yeah.

So I don't. I wish I had the voice. Read the books! I channeled that a little bit when trying to format our document earlier. I was like, no! And you were like, what is happening to Eliana? STACEY No one fucking knows. That's not the only thing patrons have access to every month. What else do they have access to, Eliana?

ELYSE Speaking of the voice, you can hear more of our voices and perhaps some of our likenesses, our visuals by joining the Patreon Discord where once a month we have brunch slash happy hour available for patrons in the thunder tier and above along with all the other channels. This month our Discord brunch slash happy hour is slated for April 12th. Yes, April 12th, 2pm ET. Come hang out, maybe we'll play some reindeer games. Yeah. Well, we won't be back next week on April 4th.

We will be off for a week because we have our first guest coming onto the podcast for Daenerys and we had to play around with some schedules. I'm really excited for this episode. It's going to come out on April 11th. It's with somebody that technically has been on the podcast before. Not on the main of Song of Ice and Fire podcast, but on Unleash the D, the premiere primer series by Girls Gone Cannon talking about House of the Dragon in between seasons, this person is going to come on for a great chapter, I would say, right? It's a chapter about

a crown fit for a king, so who better than to bring on our phraenglitis? STACEY Yeah, and also not only is it that, it's a chapter that's very much about eating, if you think about it, right? And- STACEY? Oh Jesus. Is there any better expert to bring on about the food of A Song of Ice and Fire than Glytus? Yeah, I think food podcasters, you know, are our kin as fellow food podcasters. So we're gonna be eating, that's for sure. She ate, oh my god, maybe we'll say that a lot in, oh man, they should have made it actually to Aries 8.

Danny ate? Yeah, Danny ate. After that, we will be back with regularly scheduled Danny episodes, but I will say, we have another guest coming on not too long after, so get ready, get excited, get hyped. We've got some hype guests. Season of guests. Yeah, I'm very excited for everyone coming on for Dani. And this is just Thrones, right? Like, get ready for Clash. Clash. The clash of guests.

Yeah. Excited for all of our guests coming, but they are all surprises, all to be revealed. Maybe we should make a prophecy about our guests, kinda like fucking Quaid style. Here's a few other messages, not from the stars. They are from stars in a way. Our email's a tweet of note. We got a message from our new friend Carly, who says, I recently came across your podcast in early December. Carly's been a fan of Game of Thrones for years, finally read Asswaf about a year ago and has been rewatching the show with her husband, talking about the parallels and

where the show lacked, you know, quote, you know the usual things people with an unhealthy obsession with the book series do. I don't know anything about that. Um... My obsession is perfectly healthy, thanks. Yeah, look at this. We're so health- We're so unhealthy actually literally right now our physical health is bad. It's failing. Carly said, I found a few Game of Thrones podcasts here and there, but nothing was really grabbing me. Then one day the FBI agent in my phone said, hey, you know how you're a Cersei fan?

Here's two girls literally covering every Cersei chapter, breaking her down as a character, not afraid to discuss wild theories. I've been hooked ever since. With that said, I've finished all your Cersei chapters, I'm keeping up with Dani weekly, and I've started Aria in my spare time. Oh, that's exciting, like that she's doing her own reading order. That's fucking awesome. I love the depth you get into, listening to your theories, and that you're not afraid to call things out like they are. It's a joy to find people equally obsessed with your favorite book series as you are.

Healthily obsessed. Yes. And then Carly makes a recommendation for the Throne of Glass series and then also says that she's excited to see what we have in store for Daenerys and will be slowly listening to the many years of coverage to catch up on. I'm curious, I'm curious, what order? Carly, let us know because you've told us a little bit right now, you've gotten Cersei, Dani co-listening with Aria. Let us know the rest of how you decide to structure your listen, because I think part of it is we structured this with the chunked up POVs because we thought it'd be cool,

you know, that people could do that. So curious the direction you go. Karly, also, thank you, thank you, sent us pet pictures of Ahsoka, their Finnish Laphond, and Cat, Professor Minerva McGonagall. A famous dog though. This is a famous dog. Ahsoka is a famous dog. These are strong animal names. They were also strong pet photos as well. So thank you very much for sharing this with us, Carly.

You know, not gonna brag, but like, some people get pictures of like, folks, you know, probably like rock stars, right? Like they're like, yeah, titties and shit, but like I'm like animals and shit I don't say not titties but kitties. Oh Well, yeah, those two. Yeah, we get kitties We get kitties Thank you email Carly exciting to hear from you and hope we hear back about your POV adventure Next we got an email from our friend Jason who said I'm really enjoying the denarius POV adventure. Next we got an email from our friend Jason who said, I'm really enjoying

the Denary's POV so far. Of course, I love everything you do as one should. Amen. Hallelujah, brother. My question is a podcasting question. Oh, get ready, Eliana. When you record your podcast, are you aware most people listen to them at 1.25 or do you think about that at all? I listen to mine at 1.3, typically, that's how I'm used to hearing your voices. When I listen to it on one, which is something I would do by accident, it sounds like you're drunk. Sometimes I am. So maybe instead of doing the brunch thing on Discord, I could listen to you at one speed and imagine you're drinking mimosas. I wrote that with voice to text and I'm sober as a judge's daughter.

Anyway, love what you're doing, keep up the great work." That's interesting because we do listen to our chipmunk voices sometimes, but also we talk really fast, so sometimes I can't put us in fast mode. I actually have gotten very used to it. I told Jason this as well. It's funny because I didn't know that people listen to it at that speed, but that makes sense. That's how I listen to a lot of media as well and consume it. Not like TV shows, but you know, other kinds of content. And I edit us, I started at 1.5. I'm at like 1.7 now. Like I just keep increasing, my tolerance is built.

And I can actually understand this pretty well now in some of those chipmunk voices, and every now and then I will listen to you and me at one speed, depending on, especially if I'm putting together one of the dramatic readings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, and when I added us, I usually just hit the right key through our monologues, and I'm like, yeah yeah yeah skip skip skip so I don't do the fast speed. Yeah I do the fast speed so it's kind of funny because that is to an extent I I know which chipmunk is you and which chipmunk is me. Like that's just us now.

Jesus maybe I sound drunk to you right now who knows? It's also funny because you and I have gotten only more sober as the podcast has gone on. Yeah, you're not fucking wrong. Speaking of which, we should think about, at some point, this is foreshadowing what we're gonna do about a Night of the Seven Kingdoms. You know, till we have an announcement. That's true, we don't even have a date. That's true. We're gonna stop, drop, take six weeks, and record. That's what we have an announcement. That's true, we don't even have a date. That's true. We're gonna stop, drop, take six weeks and record. That's what we're gonna do.

All right, we got a message on, well a comment, sorry, on Patreon from Jill, and Jill said, Loving the Dani chapters, but it's making me so sad. It saddens me that she never knew the love of her mother, and so much of her early life is learning to begin to trust people after the start of her life. I wish she had gotten to meet Maester Aemon, that would have been awesome." I also wish that she had gotten to meet Maester Aemon or like literally any family member who would have been nice to her, but it's really interesting because I think even had she grown up with the rest of her family alive, I don't even know if she would have gotten those things either, like, which is really sad.

Like it sounds as though, I mean, yeah, Rhaella was alive, but unfortunately she was also very much abused as well. Like, was it kind of an Atlantis-Harlaw situation where she's very far away mentally? Yeah, absolutely. She wouldn't have been there for Dani in the way that Dani deserved or needed. Yeah. So really tragic. A lot of Daenerys' stuff. People are excited. I'm glad people are jealous about the Dani chapters. We got this great also-

Oh my god, this is so good. Yeah, this one's really good from our friend Brando over on our Aswaf discussion channel on Discord. And Brando's sharing some thoughts of, I'm a believer that the Dothraki, the Free Folk, the Northerners, and the Ironborn are all descendants of the First Men, which is very similar to the Proto-Indo-Europeans and how they spread throughout Asia and Western slash Northern Europe. I think it is interesting that Dani says she's never felt like a true princess until riding the silver and then goes on

to describe how it has torn her body apart. Trappings of power indeed. These are her kill the girl moments paralleling a bit with John. Kill the girl and let the dragon be born. Damn, that's also like really sad to echo what Jill was saying too. The way George talks about Dani and the silver bonding reminds me of how people talk about Liana. Definitely some skin changer slash warging magic happening there. Hell yeah. Dani being a friend of animals reminds me of Hot D Helena. Maybe that's what Condole is hinting at with the bug girl stuff.

They are all connected to animals because of skin changer DNA or something. There have actually been studies on the environmental impact of Genghis Khan and how their lifestyle actually helped to cool the planet through forest regrowth. This was mostly done by killing a bunch of people and leaving their land to nature though, so not great. Oh, word? You have ideas? We could start with that. Just kidding. Okay, alright Thanos, chill out. Jorah gets nothing from me. He only sided with Dany. Yeah, because he sensed the power shift happening and wasn't going to go against the Dothraki. None for Jorah Mormont!

And then Brando also says, can you wake the dead? Turns out you can. Stay tuned for Tiwa. I guess these were like live reaction thoughts. And then Brando also says, can you wake the dead? Turns out you can. Stay tuned for T-Rex. I guess these were like live reaction thoughts. Women are not allowed to coast. May women one day be allowed to be as mediocre and successful as men. I think about this every day. The moon is a goddess. Stuff reminds me of Isis, who was associated with the moon and birthed the sun god Horus.

And this is in Egyptian mythology. The fact that Dani was originally supposed to be 12 when married and 13 when she was pregnant makes me think maybe George was going for a Margaret Beaufort slash Henry VII reference than in the fact that she can't have children again after that pregnancy. I like that, I like that. I don't know that much. Honestly, I know we speculated on it a bit. Brando, you should just do the podcast. It's yours now. It's yours. Congratulations. Girl's Gone Brando. Oh my god, it's all yours. Congrats.

Yeah, these were awesome thoughts. Good thinking. Yeah, I really also especially loved that call out of the, kill the girl and let the dragon be born, because that's absolutely a lot of what is happening especially in these early like a Game of Thrones chapters and again up her arc until the end of a Game of Thrones. Wake the dragon. Yeah. Thanks Brando for your thoughts. I love getting to read those in the Aeswaf POV discussion channel. We did get another comment from our friend Dragon Dancer who said, it's really sad that folks try to underplay Dani's chapters. In a game of thrones, she was sold into

this life. It's so unfortunate she's the only POV character in the whole kingdom separated from everything happening while everyone lives large in castles while she has a piece of shit brother and a brute of a husband who doesn't care about her feelings. Yeah. I agree and I also am wondering, like, am, am I just like out of out of touch sometimes with like the fandom? Like when I found out that people don't enjoy Brand's chapters because it is pretty sad. Like I haven't like heard about this. I believe that it is the case.

People underplaying Dani's chapters because especially in a game of Thrones because they are they're all fucking bangers like that's insane it's actually or like how people how how people reduce her last chapter to such a meme right about the more she shat the more she drank which haha it is funny but also the entire chapter is like a fucking banger chapter yeah like when she starts hallucinating and shit. I mean, I think there's so many good lines in that last chapter too and one of my favorites is like the subversion of the line she's been saying the whole time. She's like, I am only a young girl. And she realizes, you know, and finally says that but we are getting ahead

of ourselves. Oh my gosh, I can't wait till we get to dance someday. Someday. Yeah, I mean, I think the chapters do, they do slog a little, but same way that Jons do in dance, and I think that's partially Miranee's Knot stuff. Yeah, it's purposeful and it's also them ruling, you know? Yeah. Like that actually was supposed to, dance was supposed to start with basically the pit.

She fell in the pit. What the fuck is that song? I don't know that song. From Parks and Rec? Oh. Oh, man, I haven't rewatched that series since the time I watched it a long time ago when you convinced me. Wow.

Well, in no time like the present. That's true. Also, there's the show The Pit. A lot of people like that. I haven't watched it yet. That's new, right? Yeah, people are into it. It's like somewhat ER based. Oh, okay. Like hospital based, but I don't watched it yet. That's new, right? Yeah, people are into it. It's like somewhat ER based.

Oh, okay. Like hospital based, but I don't know. I didn't know that. I haven't gotten there yet. I think I thought it was firefighting. But now that SEVY is over, is it? I don't know. I literally don't. I have to catch up on Severance, but um... Healthcare workers. Yeah, no, it's a modern-day hospital in Pittsburgh. I was right, all right. Oh, Pittsburgh! That makes sense! Yeah. Oh, the pit. Like the bear. Yeah, I was just gonna say like the bear.

Jesus Christ. Get out of my head. Alright, thanks so much for your emails, your comments, your messages. We love getting them, we love reading them, we can't read all of them, but we can always try. So do not stop reading them. We can't read all of them, but we can always try. So do not do not stop sending them now for a lightning round

What you missed between Daenerys 3 and Daenerys 4 which it turns out is quite a bit of chapters starting with Bran 4. Tyrion gives Bran a new way to ride. I don't know if I- We still doing phrasing? Um, Eddard V. Get out of here. Ned continues investigating Jon Arryn's last days. Jon IV.

Jon makes a new friend and tries to protect him as well. Aw. Eddard VI. Eddard investigates a boy named Gendry. Catelyn V. Etterd investigates a boy named Gendry. Catalin 5. Catalin uses her LinkedIn connections to take Tyrion prisoner in the Riverlands. Is that how that works? I should do that.

Yes. Uh. Santa too. Santa becomes a sports girlie, just like us. I can't say this, Chloe. Yes you can. No I can. We literally won.

We literally won! We literally just won. Okay, I guess, but also, you know, I'm a dodgerous girl now. It's written, say the thing, Aliana. It's written on the page, you have to say the thing. Chloe wants me to say it, she tricked me, she tricked me with this lightning round. It says, Happy Phillies season. Cause we won, motherfuckers, we won our first games.

Yeah, go Phills. Ring the fucking bell, motherfucker! Etterd 7. The tourney of the hand concludes. Tyrion 4. Despite his kidnapping at our hands, Tyrion saves Catelyn from the clans of the mountain. Arya 3. Illyrio and Vary's plot in the dark of King's Landing. Etterd 8. Ned tries to quit his job, but you have to die to get out.

Catalin VI. Catalin climbs the steps to find her sister a changed woman. Eddard IX. Eddard is shot in the streets. The King's Landing. God damn it. That leads us into Dany IV. In Vestodrak, Daenerys makes a last attempt to connect with her brother.

The horse gate of Vestodrak was made of two gigantic bronze stallions rearing, their hooves meeting a hundred feet above the roadway to form a pointed arch. Dany could not have said why the city needed a gate when it had no walls and no buildings that she could see. Yet there it stood. Immense and beautiful, the great horses framing the distant purple mountain beyond." There's probably a lot to say about this, but my insight is this gate is very Denver Airport coded. You know the giant blue demon horse statue?

This is that, but two of them. I'm literally gonna see that in a couple weeks again and I just like will not be able to unsee this. Also it reminds me a lot. There it is. It's also reminiscent later or like later is reminiscent Braavos, right? Like when Aria enters Braavos beneath thean, not dissimilar how it is worded. Yeah, it's actually, I don't know, now that we're here we can talk about it a little like cool that this, the gate, the entrance is the only thing that is very much of the Dothraki like art because the city is decorated in all sorts of art and yet this one monument is theirs. This is like their one themed bit in the whole city. The rest is nothing of them, right? The rest is of all of the slaves that they've taken. STACEY Yeah. Interesting stuff. Denver, tell us about… I mean, there's a lot of information

out there about this weird blue thieving horse. STACEY I hear there are like conspiracy theories about that airport, actually. STACEY Oh, yeah. Have you looked at the other murals? They're terrifying. I don't know that I've paid it. I've been there quite a few times and I don't know that I've paid attention. You gotta pay attention to the walls of the airport. There's stuff going on.

Yeah, some people claim that there are like secret tunnels, underground bunks and stuff, and like maybe even alien bases. Oh, okay, interesting. The children of the forest, they are also there and based off of the Denver airport. Forest, they are also there in Ves Dothraki done for Erefort. Wow. Yeah, that and Blucifer.

Oh, Blucifer. Blucifer! That's what they call them, that's right. Yup. Alright, the Kallasaur enters Ves Dothraki, Daenerys Jorah, and the remounted Viserys, following Viserys had been mocked the day after the walking episode. And the next day, Drogo offered him a place in a cart. And Viserys accepts, not knowing in his ignorance that

this is actually an insult, carts are for eunuchs, cripples, women giving birth, the young and the old. Well, obviously, you know, it's not always true, right? But it reminds me of Bran, considering Bran like just, we just have the next chapter after this of Bran getting to ride his horse again, right? So there's that idea of the Dothraki not seeing people that are off of their horses worthy, right? They don't see you as like a worthy human. So Bran is trying to ride his horse for the first time since the fall, and there's also all this really great similar language going on of him where he goes beneath the gatehouse, over the drawbridge, through the outer walls, and you get kind of a mini internal travel

log with Bran, so not unlike the beginning of this chapter. Yeah, I really love you drawing that comparison because on one hand it doesn't mean like, you know, that someone's weak just because they have to use the cart because Bran is disabled, but at the same time like, it also shows that he's trying to still be out there amongst the people and stuff by being on the horse. He doesn't, you know, that's something that he wants to do. By literally getting back on the horse. Whoa! Yes, exactly. Exactly. Promoted, hired. Um...

Fuck. Yeah, very, very cool. And then Viserys is, I mean he's able-bodied, but he's like I don't fucking want to do it. I'm done. Yeah, he's able-bodied, but he's a little bitch. Yeah, which is pretty much... He, but he's a little bitch. Yeah, which is pretty much shit. He's able to be a little bitch.

Yeah, what the next few passages are basically about. This next paragraph is just calling him a little bitch the whole time. Because it goes, that won him yet another name, Kal Rangat, the Kart King. And we have a quote here. The knight had replied that the king could well do with a bit of shame. Yet he had done as she bid. It had taken much pleading, and all the pillow tricks Dorea had taught her, but Dany had

been able to make Drogo relent and allow Viserys to join them at the head of the column. How fucking sad. It's so soul-crushing that Dany, a fourteen-year-old girl, just barely 14, learned to leverage her own sexual power with her husband in order to save her little bitch, or her big bitch, I should say, of a brother, Viserys. She's the only one keeping him alive at this point, and he has no clue, right?

He's like ignorant to that. So much so that she's like given her own body for his. Like he's lost all respect in the Kalasar. No one respects him. It's gone. It's over. They call him Kart King, Sorefoot King. He's no true king.

He's a joke. He is a joke, yes. Like that they laugh at him, shows that he doesn't have respect, and as you said, it's really- it is really sad that like this 14 year old girl has to- has to do all that just to protect him, and there's something interesting going on there with like the difference of how bodies are used for power, right? Like because the Dothraki follow strength, that's one sense of bodily stuff. I'm so articulate today going on in Viserys as well in regards to it, but, you know, we're seeing the different ways that women and girls are allowed power through this society.

And I think it even contrasts pretty well with a few chapters before, right? We have the tourney of the hand that, like, Ned definitely wanted to happen. And Circe, right, after examining her chapters, she doesn't necessarily use her body to get Robert what she wants him to do. Like, at this stage of their relationship, she's, like, reverse psychologying him to get him to do what she wants him to do, which is to die. But yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong. what she wants him to do, which is to die. But yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong. And exactly like the different ways people, women can, and girls can exert influence, but also it's kind of fun the names that are being thrown at Viserys here because George isn't actually good

with languages. So I think he's just obviously at this stage in the books, he's just making up names. But it's interesting, I think, how all the names that they give a series feel kind of like plays on Rhaegar's name and how he is not going to be like their older brother like one of those terms call Raymar which I think is the Kart King one and then call Rhaegar the opening sounds especially for Rhaemar which rhymes with Rhaegar like these just sound kind of like his name, and it's a sort of fun, subtle way that the text is drawing that contrast between Viserys and his brother and evoking that without being explicit about it. Just giving the feel of it.

I think it's great because we also end the chapter with a few allusions towards Rhaegar and Rhaegal, so I think that's really strong. Bagle. You know that song by Saweetie? My type. I was thinking the exact same one because we used to sing like 8-inch bagel. Yeah, my girlfriend at work and I, 8-inch bagel. We used to sing 8-inch bagel all the time. I also thought that's what it sounded like too. 8-inch bagel. Honestly, that is my type. That is my type. That is my type.

It sounds so good right now. Yeah. I've touched it with some cream cheese. More about food next chapter. Only grass, road, and ancient monuments lay ahead until Jorah points out the underside of the mountain. Beyond the horse gate plundered gods and stolen heroes loomed to either side of them. The forgotten deities of dead cities brandished their broken thunderbolts

at the sky as Dany rode her silver past their feet. Stone kings looked down on her from their thrones. Their faces chipped and stained. Even their names lost in the mists of time. Life young maidens danced on marble plinths, draped only in flowers or poured air from shattered jars. Monsters stood in the grass beside the road, black iron dragons with jewels for eyes, roaring griffins, manticores with their barbed tails poised to strike, and other beasts she could not name. Some of the statues were so lovely, they took her breath away, others so misshapen and terrible, Dany could scarcely bear to look at them. Those, Ser Jorah said, had likely come from the Shadowlands beyond

Asshai. I love this fucking passage, it's so good. George! George. What is he doing? He's so good. Life young maidens danced on marble plinths, draped only in flowers or poured air from shattered jars. a path where many Targaryens that were there and now are gone and many, I don't know, I think civilizations great and small that have crumbled and been lost to time. Jorah saying these likely came from the Shadowlands beyond Asshai, right? The mystery there, George obviously wanted to play more with that idea of beyond Asshai, like with Bran's vision, right? Where the dragons are waking beyond As a shy. I also love the stone kings looking down on her, especially when you go back to John IV. The old kings of winter are down there, sitting on their thrones with stone wolves at their feet and iron swords across their laps, but it's not them I'm afraid of.

It's not these statues that Dany's afraid of either. It's her brother. Ooh, yes. Very true, very true. The fear is a very intimate thing. The mind killer, is that what you were trying to say? Just kidding. We're not there yet. Wrong episode. There's a lot going on here. Some of it I'm like, I don't think it's meant to be... some of it maybe, but some of it isn't foreshadowing. It just makes me think of other things like the Griffons. Or even like Misshapen and Terrible, like the language of that makes me think of the way that Tyrion is described in some of those visions. I don't think these are actually about those people. It's just fun. I want to know what the beasts are.

He also like later on says that she eats some like fruit from the east or whatever, and he doesn't give us any description about the fruits. He doesn't say. Makes me so mad. There are so many fruits it could be, and I need to know. Other thoughts about this passage are, is this Burning Man? Ah! All these sculptures. But they're not temporary, I guess, installations. Something that I think is really cool about Vest Dothrak as we read this chapter is it gives us the idea that the city is not the buildings that make it up, but the people

who are there, right? Because the city always kind of exists, like the buildings are there, they're not always there either. Sometimes it's just tents, very temporary, right? But we see it's meetup of people, all kinds of people from all over the world. It's absolutely like this very, you know, metropolitan place. It's this nexus in which people come together to trade from all over. It's a global city, right?

And the idea that a city is not the buildings, but it's about this huge group of people also I think makes us rethink then the idea, similar to that, of what is home, which is really present in Daenerys' storyline. It's not the house with the red door, even though that's the image that comes to mind for her. It's the feelings that she had there of safety, of someone who cared about her, right? It's the people. Home is about the people. And that's why in the previous chapter, Jorah says to her, like, this is a home for you now, right? Here amongst the Dothraki Sea.

Even though Drogo isn't, like, obviously the first choice that she had based on what we know from previous chapters, there is a type of security that she has found in this life with Drogo. STACEY And that this home here is also made of by the people that actually live in it in a lot of ways, by the slaves, by the women. That it's a place that's kind of like built by all of these people that have no power when she's been so powerless for so long, right? And when she started to try to like, find her place within Drogo's Kallasar, it's crazy that here she is at this place that is like a magpie collection of buildings and people. And there's a place for all of the lost, right?

Yeah. And I mean, that's kind of what she's kind of like too, right? She's grown up among several different cities. She's collected a lot of different parts of different cultures, because she was also ejected from her own. Or to an extent, that culture was lost like, hundreds of years ago, and her family's been trying to keep it alive to some extent. And it's really interesting the way that Vase Dothrake acts as sort of a metaphor for other parts. I also like the idea of a city that like comes alive only at these festivals. Part of it makes me think like is George evoking, you know, his memories of conventions, but also makes me think of something that he does in Dying of the Light, his first novel, where there's like a couple

of cities especially created on this world of called Warlorn that were built only for the festival of the fringe but now that the festival's kind of done like the cities are pretty much dying because everyone left. Oh the dying of the light. That's part of it. That's a big part of it. Wow I get it. I get it. There's a lot actually about the Dothraki that feel kind of like the Society of High Kabbalah and... I'll read it someday, I really will. It slogs a little in the middle, but a lot of things do, as you and I are discussing.

Yeah. I don't know, I mean, George slaps. I like everything he writes. I've never had... I don't think I've read anything that I didn't like yet of George's. I haven't read Armageddon Rag, and it seems as though George might not even like it either, I'm sure. I'd probably like it. I'm a fucking fangirl. Viserys, on the other hand, of all of this, does not appreciate base Dothrak like we do. He calls it the trash of the dead cities. He says the savages only know how to steal

things better men have built and kill. Otherwise, he would have no use for them at all. They are my people now, Danny said. You should not call them savages, brother." The dragon speaks as he likes, Viserys said in the Common Tongue. I love that that's called out because it's clearly meant to contrast that Viserys is not accepting of any other cultures, and he is speaking in the Common Tongues that they can't understand him, right? He's not speaking their language, he's not even making an effort to learn it or speak it.

He wants to insult them. He then applauds himself for being more clever than the Dothraki, and he says the savages lack the wit to understand the speech of civilized man. I mean, I don't know. It's kind of funny, yeah, that he and Daenerys don't actually talk to each other in Valyrian, not that I think about it. Because they grew up in places where Valyrian was especially the common speech, but anyways. STACEY It's also kind of like a great parallel later, right, in Storm of Swords, when Daenerys, on the other hand, who speaks these languages and understands them, uses that to leverage her advantage with the dragon and the slaver.

STACEY Yeah, I mean, I assume Viserys can speak it because they grew up there, but it's interesting. Anyways, yeah, I think it was pretty rude that he says that the savages lack the wit to understand the speech of civilized men, and I, you know, here we stand before their civilization. Yeah, it's kind of made up of – he's not wrong that a lot of these are stolen monuments from people that they killed. As Brando says, Genghis Khan, good for the environment by killing lots of people. But Daenerys' story, I think, you know, it's very much one of recognizing humanity

in people different from us, right? Because it's actually the people who are just like her who are the ones who have harmed her. They're not the ones... I mean, yeah, Drogo did kind of harm her with the marital rape all the time, but he treats her way better now than her brother and... Don't try to talk yourself through it, Eliana. Don't try to do it. Yeah, I was like, nevermind. I'm not gonna try to unpack this. I'm not gonna unpack this right now.

I'm gonna just go through my points of, you know, we're given like also a lot of examples from the beginning of when we first meet the Dothraki of how they are in fact civilized, right? Like, does that mean we agree with everything that their culture does? No, but they clearly have a very intricate set of cultural norms that Viserys refuses to understand and therefore he ends up losing esteem in

their eyes, right? Like the moment that we meet them, they're all like, these are all of their wedding customs. It's very codified as well as to what must be followed for all of these things, or this is what is considered good in their culture, this is not. Like, they are a civilization. And then you have Dani on the other hand rising in contrast to that because she understands and cares about it. Yeah, yeah, and she has the best horse. Fuck yeah, she does and she rides the shit out of that horse. Yeah, that's true. I was gonna say like, what if they gave Viserys a nice horse? Would he do better? But no, I don't think so, because that horse, it was painful for her to ride

earlier on too. So it wouldn't matter what kind of horse they gave Viserys. No, because he wouldn't put the work in. Yeah. That's the real truth of it. Exactly. Viserys is bored, and he asks, how long will this take? Jorah says, Dani must be presented to the D Dash-Kaleen. Viserys calls them the Krones. Oh. And we learn there's to be some mummer's show of a prophecy for the whelp in her belly. But Viserys doesn't care about all that. He's sick of their food, of their people. Jorah says the Western Market will have food he likes, and that the cow will honor his promise soon enough.

I was promised a crown, and I mean to have it. The dragon is not mocked!" I love that lilt there at the end. Thank you. Thank you. Dandy hopes aloud to Jorah that Khal Drogo, her son in stars, so now she's got pet names for him. Cute.

Ish. Not unpacking it, but you know. Us. We're not unpacking this. She hopes that Khal Drogo will not keep Viserys waiting long, but Jorah says that Viserys probably should have stayed in Pentos. The Khalasar is no place for him. Jorah advises that the Dothraki are not traitors. Viserys thinks that he sold Dany, but Drogo sees this as a gift, and Viserys will receive his own gift in time.

We have a line here of, you do not demand a gift, not of a call. You do not demand anything of a call. And all this talk of gifts, it makes me think of mercy, and the gift of mercy. You don't demand mercy. I mean, some people do, but it's something that is that it is given. It's a gift. It's a gift. That's interesting because there's so much even just like foundational blocks in this that remind me of Bravo's and of the House of Black and White right in this chapter.

So interesting connection. True, true. Dani says it isn't right to make him wait, but she suddenly thinks that she doesn't know why she's defending him. She just is. Yeah, we have a line here. Viserys says he could sweep the Seven Kingdoms with 10,000 Dothraki screamers. Pfft. Viserys could not sweep a stable with 10,000 brooms. Dani could not pretend to surprise with ten thousand brooms.

Dany could not pretend to surprise at the disdain in his tone. What… what if it were not Viserys? If it were someone else who led them? Someone stronger? Could the Dothraki truly conquer the Seven Kingdoms? Hmm… Hmm… IDK…

Yes… It's you, girl. Believe in yourself, Dany. Jorah says, when he first went into exile, he thought the Dothraki were half-naked barbarians and that a thousand good nights could end them. But now, he's less certain. They're better riders, they're fearless, they have better bows. They fire arrows from horseback, and they're numerous. 40,000 alone are in Drogo's calisar,

and that's just Drogo's calisar. Rhaegar had brought as many men of that to the trident, but no more than a tenth were actually knights. Freeriders, archers, foot soldiers. And when Rhaegar fell, they threw down their weapons and fled." Mm. Mm. Mm. That is pretty interesting. Yeah, I guess Dothraki culture doesn't really allow for that. But I like this passage because Daenerys throughout the series, obviously she's underplaying herself to trick her enemies, but she claims to know little in the ways of war, yet here we see

her absorbing these lessons that Jorah is, I guess, imparting. And she's learning about strategy here, right? She's learning about the advantages of fighting on horseback versus fighting on foot, of being able to use ranged weaponry while moving, right? So the combination of horseback and range. She's also learning about the importance of better equipment, right? That the Dothraki bows are better and that there might even be other kinds. She's learning strategies about destroying the enemy's morale, that sort of psychological aspect, and then she's also learning about marshalling numbers and strength. So we're seeing some of her tutelage and leadership arc as well starting to come through during this point in which she's not allowed to have any power or

leadership yet. Doesn't think she'll ever get it. She's also like, she's just practicing curiosity. She's simply asking a few questions. I mean, that's a sign of a good leader in a lot of ways. Yeah, and while you were talking about her learning the language earlier, right? That's curiosity as well. She wants to get to know the people who serve her, who are around her. Which is exactly what Ned says you should do. Yeah, she's naturally exploring it. So, we have here more lessons from Jorah.

How long do you imagine such a rabble would stand against the charge of 40,000 screamers howling for blood? How well would boiled leather jerkins and mailed shirts protect them when the arrows fall like rain? Not long, she said. Not well. Yeah, even the way the lyricism of the words in this passage is Jorah's giving her these lessons, it kind of reads like the Broken Man, right? Threw down their weapons and fled, and the man breaks, he turns and runs or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night and finds some place to hide. When I was reading that, it's all I could think of, and I'm like, oh no.

This war could be a bad thing, this whole war thing. It could be bad. It could be bad. It could be bad. Things could turn out really bad. And realizing like to an extent, like like is there an argument to be made? Probably the answer is yes, and it's not like a very difficult one I guess to make that Jorah is also an embodiment of the Broken Man.

Yeah. Turned him around. Yeah. Well I mean that's literally a part of it, right? That's true. You don't, the Broken Man isn't somebody that's lovable. It's not Rhaegar with his glorious streaming dragon hair and his You know poems and his harps and his falling to his knees whispering a woman's name. It's not always romantic

It's not always songs Life is not a song, Sweetling. Awww, she called me Sweetling. But yeah, absolutely and like I guess that's how he becomes someone who's like, whatever, let's just do all this slave shit all the time, which I'm like, Jorah, what the fuck. And as you said, he's got some good lines. Part of it is just, you know, George being a great writer, but part of it, like, I guess if we wanted to do a more of Watsonian reading of it, I'm like, Jorah's got, I guess, some

good lines. Maybe he just really likes to hear himself talk, though, which I think is true. I say as a polycaster. Well, and you don't have to listen to you talk that much. Just like once. Yeah. I'm at 1.7 speed, so I don't have to do it as much. Yeah.

I mean, listen, I do think that I hate Jorah. We all hate Jorah. Fuck Jorah. But he's there for a reason. He's supposed to be this character that's kind of a contrasting, polarizing character, right? He's supposed to be teaching Dani these lessons, and we're supposed to sit there and be like, bitch, you're a slaver. Yeah. Two things are true about this scenario and about this character.

Yeah. That's a good point. Well,any questions if Robert would be foolish enough to fight the Dothraki, and Jorah reflects that Robert is fearless, brave, and rash enough to fight the Dothraki in battle, but his men, Stannis, Tywin, and Eddard are not. Interesting. Jorah expresses hatred for Eddard Stark, blaming him for taking everything he loved for honor's sake. We have this line where he's kind of sour and he says, he took from me all I loved for the sake of a few lice-ridden

poachers and his precious honor. From his tone, she could tell the lost still pained him. He changed the subject quickly. I find that interesting that it's not about Lin-ass, right? It's about the fact that his slaves were taken from him. Yeah, you know, he's lucky that he's giving this diatribe, I guess, to a 14-year-old girl who's got bigger problems than to like stop and really think about what Jorah's saying in this moment. We also find out a bit ago, right, a few chapters before this, that he's been reporting to Varys,

We also find out a bit ago, right, a few chapters before this, that he's been reporting to Varys because I think there's a lot of irony in this passage of Jorah calling Robert brave when a few chapters ago we were explicitly calling that man a coward for being like, I think we should murder this girl. We should murder this girl and not fight and Eddard being like, what the fuck? It was Ned who showed the honor and bravery to protect Dani's life, which is the same sort of honor that drove him to protect those few lice-ridden poachers, you know, from the likes of Jorah.

Yeah. It is interesting, right? Like, it's a bigger question at the end of the day that Jorah stands for the very thing that her kingdom shouldn't allow for, right? The very thing she's gonna fight against for the next several books. And that Jorah's biggest pain is that the poachers were taken from him and that Etterd, you know, Etterd stands for the honor of like everybody deserves that chance. Even though they're still men. I mean, except for like that guy from the Night's Watch that one time.

F**k him. But, hey, that's the law, man. You know, we just kill people. Interesting that those are like two dueling ideologies that are going to really become important in Dani's plot eventually, fighting against that and that Jorah will, I mean, what he did stands directly in the way of that. She's not there yet, she hasn't pieced all that together, but she will. Also she essentially basically falls in love with Mini Ned. Yeah. Like Ned Ritt's small and also hot according to other characters in Asswap. They're all like,

this boy's really pretty. Yeah, I'm like, not just hot, beautiful. Yeah, sorry, beautiful. I love what you pointed out too of like, the Robert thing, especially'm like not just hot, beautiful. Yeah, sorry, beautiful. I love what you pointed out too of like the Robert thing, especially because like last we just had the chapter where Edward tries to quit and Cersei says to Robert, if any man dared speak to a Targaryen as he's spoken to you, and Robert's like, do you take me for Ares? And she's like, I took you for a king.

Yeah. Those are fun back and forths She's trying to go down. Those are fun back and forths of them trying to be each other. You know, like the Targaryen- Robert and the Targaryens and the Targaryens and Robert and back and forth. Yeah, it's kind of fun in general, like how there's a lot interspersed about her family history, right? Her dad, that doesn't come through in her chapters because she doesn't have access to that knowledge. But yeah, again, she basically falls in love with Ned. Honestly, the show really bungled. We had a really, I think, promising kind of semi-enemies to Lover's Arc going on there between

John and Daenerys, and I was robbed. We were close. We were so close. It can still happen. Here's how. So Danny and Jorah arrive in Vaste Dothrake, a massive city with no walls, streets covered in grass, mud, and wildflowers. Honestly, sounds banging. The city is unlike the crowded free cities to the west. How many times will I say the word cities in this episode? With carved stone pavilions, grass manses, wooden towers, and stepped pyramids, some palaces have thorny hedges as walls. Danny notices the buildings are unique, and George explains that the Dothraki don't build. Their structures were made by slaves from

conquered lands. It's just like America. Only the crones of the Doshkaleen will live permanently in Vaes Dothrak, and it's large enough to house all the Dothraki if they ever return to the city. We have a line here of, The crones have prophesied that one day that will come to pass, and so Vaes Dothrak must be ready to embrace all its children." I do love how like, that Mendencoded face Dothrak is for a society that's so powered by masculinity and by able bodies and horses and strong, you know, like, oh, the cows are so strong, but like, I really do love the Doshkaleen kind of having this like bigger than life aspect in the end, right?

Kind of like the mother has that aspect in the seven that they're transcending this power, right? Like, the Doshkaleen get to prophecy. They still get respect even after the Kals die. Blood Riders are expected to die with their K cows, but the chalene ascend. They transcend. They're more than that. We have the line of, Vace Dothrak must be ready to embrace all its children. Right? Vace Dothrak is the mother. Drogo goes up to the mother of mountains. I mean, Vace Dothrak is very feminine coded, and it makes me think of Misa, right? As Dany will get called later. Mother. Feels important, right? That Vase Dothrak is very feminine coded and it makes me think of Misa, right? As Dany will get called later.

Mother. Uh, feels important, right? That Vase Dothrak must be ready to embrace all its children someday. That all of the land is big enough to hold every person from every calisar all at once. What could it mean? What could it mean? George is obviously laying the crumbs for it, right? Dani asking Jorah if somebody else could possibly unite the Dothraki and take the Seven Kingdoms back that isn't her brother.

And then also, I mean, when they arrive here at Ves Dothrak, they hand their weapons to slaves. It feels kind of symbolic that no weapons are allowed, but they're giving the weapons, handing them to the slaves. They're arming the slaves without realizing it. Like, Dani busting down Vase Dothrak and burning it and its traditions down? Like, she's gonna burn it down! I mean, it's all made of grass. It's a fucking tinderbox waiting to blow, but like a slave revolt is coming. Yeah, huff and puff, bitch. Drogon's gonna be like, oh, oops, my bad. Yeah, really interesting.

And there's also something here fun that Tyrion's next chapter, he climbs a mountain to a widow, a mother of the mountains, Lysa Arryn. Was that fun for him? Not for him, but for me. Yeah, that's true. It is actually a really great chapter. Yeah, I love what you've pointed out here with all those because I think not only that, you're talking about the uniting of the Colossars into one.

That's another great parallel with like John having his storyline of uniting the free folk, which I'm sure that at one point in George's mind, these happen simultaneously maybe or closer to one another in the books, but the story grew into the telling, as George says, and also based off Rocket being feminine, coded, it's A, absolutely that. Also, I feel as though the books kind of associate mountains to an extent or hills, etc. with feminine power, right? You have- Titties. Yeah, exactly. Depending on who you ask, someone's tits between the Blackwoods and the Brackens, one of them, and it's named after that, so there's something there that's pretty cool about this sort of Mother Earth thing going on, but also how it ties into-

Gaia Online. Gaia Online? But also how it ties into Dani's storyline. Dani sees the Grand Palace that Illyrio's slaves had told her about. It's a wooden hall with a silk roof surrounded by grassy yards, fire pits, and earthen houses. Something fun about the slaves constantly saying, like, oh, you'll see it's rich and famous and amazing and gilded with gold, and she gets there and she's like, what the fuck, this isn't a mansion.

Yeah, but she likes it anyway. It still sounds cool. It's just incredible that the slaves told her all this stuff and she's like, okay, we'll see. And she gets there and she's like, okay, that was a lie. It's just that instead of, you know, I've complained that the past few chapters, this poor girl gets fucking, she does get sold off or gifted, whatever, however you want to do it, treated as an object. And then they force her her to go camping and now they're like, now you're glamping. Okay, now we're glamping. Influencer lifestyle denarius. Tick tocking in the fields. Hi, I'm Dani and here's my life as a Targaryen princess that's been sold to the Dothraki. I wake up every morning and my slaves attend me. I'm like also thinking I can't do it.

My voice is I think literally incapable because it just is not nice. I think you could do it. The Nara Smith voice even though we're not here to like shill that. After I wake up, I hold my dragon egg for approximately 37 minutes. This helps me become one, once more, with femininity, the world, and the seven gods. I feel like that could actually be really good content. I'll see what I can do. I'm dying.

So, of laughter, of fun. Of course, of fun. We're having fun. The riders turn in their weapons because no blades or bloodshed is allowed within the walls of Ves D'Hrach. Warring Kallasaars would often put aside feuds when they come near the Mother of Mountains and even share food and drink. It's a big deal.

All the D'Hrachii are considered one blood, one Kallasaar, one herd, according to the crones of the Tash Khaleen. Kahalo, Drogo's oldest bloodrider, is a squat-bald man with broken teeth from a battle. We learn bloodriders are like brothers to the Kal, sharing a single life, dying with him, avenging his death if necessary before they die with him. Some bloodriders even share everything the Kal owns, everything except his horse. Daenerys was glad that Kal Drogo did not hold to those ancient ways she should not have liked being shared.

That does sound bad, does suck. Again, reminds me a little bit of the society that was talked about in High Kavalon. But there is something there that stuck out to me about the brothers of the society that was talked about in High Cavalon. But there is something there that's stuck out to me about the brothers and the blood riders and the idea of sharing a single life. On one hand, it reminds me a little bit of that very, I think, messy bond that Jaime and Tyrion have with one another. But at the same time, it actually reminds me also of the bond between Jaime and Cersei, right? This idea of sharing a single life if one goes out the other must as well. So, came into this world together,

leave together. Leave together, yeah, I like that. So, Koholo, or Kohoyo, treats Dany with kindness, but the other ones frighten her. Haggo, who is huge and silent. Kotho, who is cruel and with quick hands that liked to hurt. He left bruises on Derea and made Eerie sob in the night. Even his horses feared him. Wow. I hate him. This is a sign that Kotho is bad, by the way. Just so you all know.

When the animals don't like you. Yeah. It's a sign of what's to come with him. Except for when the wolves were mad at Tyrion. That meant something, but it didn't mean... that was complicated. Anyways, we'll get to that one day. The Blood Riders are bound to Drogo in life and death, and so Dany must accept them. Ugh, I hate... I've heard about this happening to people, where they have to accept their husband's shitty friends. I don't have that problem, thank god.

Me neither. I like my partner's friends. We're friends. They're all like me. How did this happen? In the songs, the white knights of the Kingsguard were ever noble, valiant, and true. And yet King Aerys had been murdered by one of them, the handsome boy they now called the Kingslayer. In a second, Ser Barristan the Bold had gone over to the usurper. She wondered if all men were as false in the Seven Kingdoms. When her son sat the Iron Throne, she would see that he

had blood riders of his own to protect him against treachery in his Kingsguard. So much to unpack there, right? Because clearly, Haggoth and Cotho and Cullo are all very different from one another. In several ways, Cotho is cruel, as we hear. Not every Kingsguard member is made equally either. Mm-hmm. Interesting there. Like that's all a sadder story, Dani. There's so much complexity, so many layers, like an onion in that passage. It's fun to have her thinking about this too, knowing how Barristan's story plays out. The answer is yes, all the men are as false in the Seven Kingdoms, but not just there, everywhere. Also funny that this is so long ago that they're calling Jaime handsome boy. I'm like, he's an old man now. I'm allowed to say that.

It's not that old. I'm like, he's literally, you're almost his age, you fucking old bitch. I think we might be the same age, basically. Yeah, exactly, because Cersei. At this point in the books, basically. Yeah, we're the same age, exactly. Because Cersei. At this point in the books, basically. We're the same age, so... I'm a handsome boy. There's something sad. You're a handsome little lad. Yes, you are. There's something really sad too, because he was a handsome boy. He was a boy. Right there. It calls it out.

He was. She's a girl, so she's just a girl right now, and she's understanding finally these complexities of life, right? Her husband's terrible, he's a brute, but also she has learned how to please him in order to get what she wants from him. She's learning some of these lessons that Cersei learned from a very young age, right? She's starting to learn some very kind of horrible things that she has to learn that are like, well, should a little girl be learning these lessons? No. Should a little boy, a boy on the Kingsguard be

put in that position? No. So many vows, they make you swear and swear. Yeah, he was only what, basically two to three years older than she is at this point when he was learning about not protecting her mom, right? Told that he was not to protect Daenerys's mother. And so, yeah, not that much older. And had we had the five-year gap, the Daenerys that we have in Dance would be older than Jaime in his Kingslayer era. Well, no, they would be about the same age, because I'm like also not accounting for the time that the rebellion actually took. Whatever.

He was still a boy. No, that's fair. That's fair. Especially compared to me, in my, you know, in Jamie and my old age. Fucking Christ. Kaholo tells Dani that Drogo must ascend the Mother of Mountains and sacrifice for his safe return, but only men are allowed there. Dani, exhausted from her pregnancy, dreams and waits for Drogo's return, pretty grateful

for rest and for him to like not be fucking her every five seconds. Dorea leads her to a hollow hill prepared for her in Drogo, where Dani orders Giguille to prepare a bath and plans to give Viserys his gifts. She instructs Dorea to invite Viserys to dinner and Eerie to fetch the food, and she's like, don't bring horse meat because he hates it. Dany arranges Viserys' gifts, a white linen tunic, leggings, sandals, a medallion belt, and a dragon-painted vest. She hopes it will make him look more respected by the Dothraki. She also prepares a green sand-silk cloak for him, thinking it would

complement his silver hair. Viserys arrives, dragging Daerea with a reddened eye, and he angrily accuses Dany of sending her to command him. He insults her gifts, he calls them Dothraki rags. Dany tries to explain the clothes are meant to help him gain respect from the Dothraki, but she trails off realizing she'll wake the dragon if she tells him. He dismisses the gifts and he insults her further claiming he's the lord of the seven kingdoms, not a savage. He grabs her arm, threatens her, but Dany, suddenly feeling like a child, strikes him with the closest thing she could reach, the bronze medallion belt,

and she draws blood from his face. And so we have this scene of, "'You are the one who forgets himself. Didn't you learn anything that day in the grass? Leave me now, before I summon my cause to drag you out, and pray that Khal Drogo does not hear of this, or he will cut open your belly and feed you your own entrails." Viserys scrambled back to his feet. "'When I come into my kingdom, you will rue this day, slut!' He walked off, holding his torn face, leaving her gifts behind him.

Drops of his blood had spattered, the beautiful sand-silk cloak. Dany clutched the soft cloth to her cheek and sat cross-legged on her sleeping mats. Ugh. Spoiled everything. Oh, stop, stop. You're spoiling it. Yup. Literally. Literally, though. The beautiful, sweet, perfect night she had planned. He is spoiling it. And Danny spills blood in the city where she's not supposed to spill blood. I don't know if I really noticed that the first time, but she goes against tradition and breaks tradition right there by cracking him across the face with that belt.

I didn't really notice that. That is interesting that she does so. Kind of like blood magic? Blood sacrifice, perhaps, even? Because we're talking about the sacrifices earlier. Soon enough. I'm sorry, everyone. I think that this might actually be the Johnny Schatzman scene, but listen, like I think this might actually be that he was a Capricorn. I was just very excited to do it last episode and I actually don't know what happens in the show.

I only know medieval world fun time land. So he was a Capricorn. Um, this scene is actually, you know, as you were saying, it is really sad. It's very disappointing because she had this beautiful night planned out for them. She's so eager to try to make amends and as you've been discussing earlier, protect her brother, support him, show him love. And it just really breaks my heart that she showed him the clothing and it says that she did so shyly, right? Like she was like kind of kind of happy that she could practice gift-giving as a love

language to her brother and was really hoping and the first blood that she draws is not only like that blood but it's the person who was supposed to love her and protect her. There's something too, to your point, he can't stoop below. Her giving him gifts is him accepting that she has power, and he could never accept that. And we see that a lot with the Targaryen sibling dynamic, I feel like. Oh, good point. Good point. And yeah, I'm not sure it used to be like that, but Viserys is now just like so accustomed to seeing everything as an insult.

He's just so prideful and as you were saying, like very misogynistic that he can't bring himself to accept anything from his sister. He sees that he feels that she's supposed to be below him. And he's at this point now where there's no one to wield power over anymore, and yet he's been told his whole life that he's supposed to be a ruler, that he is a ruler, so where are his subjects? And it's telling that the insult that he keeps lobbing at her is to call her a slut over and over, which I think is pretty ironic considering, you know, she was a virgin at the beginning of this book. She's only ever had sex with slash been raped by her husband, and we're even reminded earlier this chapter that Viserys had used Derea, and that wasn't like the

first time, presumably he's done that. It's because Viserys, he calls her slut partially, I think, because he feels ownership still over her body. He's like, how dare you, I don't know, do the thing that I fucking thought I sold you into. Yeah, absolutely. It's, uh, it makes me think a little bit of like Tyrion and Joffrey and Sansa later, too. Right?

Like when Joffrey on Sansa's wedding night tells her like, oh, I'll have you whenever the fuck I want. You're still mine, right? Similar as coin as payment. As property. Yep. GQ announces that Danny's supper is ready, but Danny's not hungry. She's tired. She tells them to share the food amongst themselves and sends some to Ser Jorah. She asks them to bring her one of the dragon eggs and Eerie brings her the deep green egg. She curls up with the cloak across her, cradling the egg between her

chest and stomach, and we close the chapter with. They were so beautiful, and sometimes just being so close to them made her feel stronger, braver as if somehow she were drawing strength from the stone dragons locked inside. She was lying there holding the egg when she felt the child move within her, as if he were reaching out, brother to brother, blood to blood. You are the dragon, the true dragon. I know it. I know it." And she smiled and went to sleep, dreaming of home. Mm. Blah. Blah. Blah. How dare they hurt her? How dare anyone hurt her? I'm very upset right now. It's sad. It's sad. That's my daughter, man. Why would they do this to her? I guess it's right that she has no appetite and didn't eat. She's gotta work up an appetite for next chapter.

Yeah, that's for sure. That she's holding Rhaegal's egg, right? The brother that she should have been with. Rhaegar. Not Viserys, not Viserion. Rhaegar's egg for comfort. And that her son is Rhaego. Right? Rhaego. Rhaegar. Rhaegal. The true dragon. Everyone tells her that Rhaegar was the real last dragon later on. Right? It's so sad because imagine it's Rhaegar there and what he would have done for his sister in comparison to Viserys. EMILY Probably married her, I guess, is what it sounds like. STACEY Yeah, okay, well, beyond that part.

Pretend that was not... God damn it, Elion. EMILY I don't know, that's what it sounds like was the plan some good way. STACEY Yeah, probably wouldn't have sold her to Kaldrogu. Would have protected her, maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I mean, we don't know.

He didn't really show it up for his children. He was like, well, that's too bad. Write those three off. It's interesting because, you know, you think of this chapter as well in the context of, again, that exchange between Ned and Robert, and Ned's all like, well, it's not a problem, right? What if she doesn't even give birth? What if she gives birth to a girl? This isn't even a problem. We don't need to fucking murder her. And Robert's all like, what if she gives birth to a son and perceives that as a threat? And I'm not saying that he should be perceiving Daenerys as a threat, but it's not- Not saying he shouldn't be. It's not her son, right? They're not thinking-

We never looked for a girl, in the words of Maester Aemon, we never looked for a girl, and she didn't either. She's never been allowed to have access to the story in which she's the hero, either. Like, all the stories she's been told, they're not about people like her. She's the true dragon. And now she's gonna write it. Now she's gonna write the story. Yeah. Maybe in blood, but... That's okay. Good for her. I do think it's interesting also, I don't know what you think of this.

The feeling the child move in the brother to brother, like blood to blood, like is the dragon... Alright, getting a little Evangelion here, is the dragon actually maybe made up of Rago's soul? Maybe. I mean, I do think that there are three deaths that birth the dragons and they all come soon. Yeah, that's the question that I have. I mean, there's something interesting about the idea of like binding a soul to the egg. Yeah. So anyway, that's it. That was the one thing that I had. Our friend Glytus will probably have something to say about that. He has talked about it before in videos as well, so maybe our friend Glytus can chat with us about that.

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As always, I've been one of your hosts, Chloe. And I've been another one of your hosts, Eliana. Thanks for tuning in. See ya in a bit. Thanks for being here. Sorry, so can we just go back to Rice Lidden, Eliana? Was that what you were going to say? I legitimately even stared at that as I wrote it, and I was like, I think I did something wrong here and I could not fucking read it. If you were in the bloopers- The door with the red house.

Yeah, I took this out of the episode probably, but in the bloopers, the door with the red house. Yeah, I took this out of the episode, probably. But in the bloopers channel, I can put it in there me going fucking the door with the red house. All right, I am struggling today. Life is hard. We're both struggling. We're literally struggling. Thank you for struggling with us. Healthy obsession, unhealthy bodies. Oh my god. with us. LWX Healthy obsession, unhealthy bodies. STACEY Oh my god! LWX Unhealthy girls. STACEY We are gonna get healthy this year, someday.

LWX We're gonna- STACEY We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. LWX Yeah, just like Daenerys. But not at the end of Dance. STACEY I'm not gonna unpack any of that. Goodbye. LWX But she has- she's definitely getting stronger throughout this book, at least.

Maybe you need to wake the dragon. Hmm. So you mean like, oh, we did commit a blood sacrifice, allegedly. Allegedly! Goodbye!