Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 246 — AGOT Daenerys V featuring Glidus

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

To save on the event budget, we've combined a baby shower with a coronation. You're all invited but we have a special guest: It's Glidus, coming to join as another other one of your hosts to break down Dany's arc and the end of Viserys's. Where to find Glidus: YouTube—https://www.youtube.com/@Glidus Nebula—https://nebula.tv/glidus Patreon—https://www.patreon.com/glidus ASOIAF Jeopardy—https://nebula.tv/videos/glidus-asoiaf-jeopardy-except-the-questions-are-evil Listen to Glidus's band, Materia—https://open.spotify.com/album/4uaueffBjkor2A0GG1fqnv?si=zsEvh3XSQDuyYGEefxgQVA&nd=1&dlsi=fb1dac8f27ea49b3 Listen to Glidus's other music project, The Beggar King—https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZAvHTXVctNlZIcg_WqNv1w Sound credits: "Silver Flame" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Sound effects from https://pixabay.com/ --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon Reads A Song of Ice and Fire, Episode 246, Daenerys V, A Game of Thrones, featuring our friend Glytus. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. And yes, thank you, Glytus, for accompanying us to this baby shower. Can you please tell us why you chose this chapter? And thank you. Thank you again for coming. You know, you, your presence, you're the gift. I got a tacking. What? It's a baby shower, is it not?

I feel so pampered. This is my baby shower. Um, um, yeah, I'm GLaidas. I'm one of the hosts of Girls Gone Cannon. Thanks for joining me today. I have long had this association with Viserys Targaryen. I think it's spiraled out of control, honestly. I just said, yeah, I really like Harry Lloyd in a couple of videos a long time ago.

And ever since then, I've been characterized as this fanatic who loves Viserys. And that is true, but I didn't want it to be that apparent. So we're here to celebrate the life and death and horrible tragedy of Viserys Targaryen. Actually, yeah, like not to agree loudly, but I've been very sympathetic towards him on this reread. It's sad. Like, capital S, sad. Sad, dude.

And obviously he's capital B, bad. But it is really sad when he goes capital M, mad. Oh, true. Wow. Wow. Poetry. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, poetry slam poetry. Yeah, snaps. And that was the episode we can all leave. He did it analysis.

I'm done. Gladys, you've been elusive lately. I've been seeing what's new. You did what a swap jeopardy with some friends recently. Yeah, that was silly. That was silly. Kind of fun though. I like, I like the silly.

We like the silly. Oh, yeah, it was great fun and people seem to have really enjoyed it, which is cool. I'm working on a bunch of other silly stuff as well, which some of which might be out by the time this episode hits the waves, goes out on the radio waves. You guys do get radio play, right? Yeah, absolutely. SeriousXM actually just reupped my contract and are also backing the money truck to my door right now.

Have they double parked the HBO money truck? Yeah, and you know I'm in Philly, so like there's no parking in this bitch. It's kind of a problem. Well, can you give us like a little like hint? What's coming? What's next for Glidus? What's next on this season of Glidus? Let's just say I've got a lot cooking.

Another one. Oh, another. As a fellow food podcast, uh, really excited to see the work that you're putting out this year. You've been doing your Ice and Fire read through, of course, and we've been doing ours, myself and Alt Swift X, but we've had a different angle. It's so interesting going through the whole series and looking at just a specific thing that stupid, you know? Yeah. Food?

It's not stupid. It's like such a big important part of not only the life, but the story. I love how George understands and facilitates that in his books. This is one of the big food chapters in some aspects, right? You have the consumption of the heart, which is like excess and over excess and just like, there's a lot going on there compared to some of the other food. Yeah. I've never eaten a horse heart. I've eaten heart before. Have either of you ever eaten heart? I've had chicken and beef. I think I've had chicken heart. I've had chicken and beef. I don't know about beef, but the main distinction here is they've been cooked

when I ate them. Yes. That's a great, well, no, actually, I think the beef heart I had, it might have been beefed like tartar. Wow. So- Wow. Were you pregnant at the time? I guess they're different animals. I hope- no, and I hope that will never happen to me. That never happens to anyone, but we're about to read about it, so- I hope no one ever gets pregnant.

Ever. Again. In this economy, children of men? Jesus. You heard it from here first. Glytus is anti-birth. Wow, an anti-birther. Not anti-birth, just anti-pregnancy.

Wait. You can get birth, just as preg-pregnant. Oh, sorry. Anti-pregnancy. Yeah, just skip it. Only test tubes from now on. It's actually an interesting idea. Pro invitro YouTuber, Glytus. I'm doing the big pivot.

I'm going to change my content to specifically be only about that. If you want to catch up with Glytus's anti-birth, pro Invitro, I don't know what it is, whatever is going on with Glytus these days, you should check out nebula.tv slash Glytus. It's three dollars a month. It's the cheapest streaming there is. I know this because I'm pretty sure HBO just fucked me, Netflix just fucked me. They all just were like, oh girl, the tariffs. So go spend three bucks there. You can check out most recent vids and of course, youtube.com slash at gliders the other wonderful thing about nebula is it's got even smarter people on it i hope you were sitting down to hear that but there are people smarter than myself and alt-twift x um like of course jenny nicholson and lindsay ellis oh my god i

i cannot get you on the same planet on platform as them, or the same planet as them, honestly. Real. No, absolutely real. I will say like Lindsay Ellis leaving YouTube, but going to Nebula Fox. Nebula Fox because of Lindsay Ellis. So big agree. Yeah. I need to get more into Nebula. Absolutely. Like not just y'all and not just Lindsay. Like I'm like learning about it. It's great. It's great. And realistically we should try to like, pull the reins away from some of the bigger places like YouTube. So good for Nebula. Fuck. Yeah.

And you have a Patreon too, right? Is it? I do. Yeah. Slash Glidus. Oh, I love my little Patreon. It's so, so great. Yeah.

Yeah. We love the patrons. Patrons fucking rock. We love our patrons too. Uh, our patrons too. Our patrons, especially if you're in the stranger tier and above, you will be getting a Patreon special episode this month. Whoa.

And that's TBA. TBA, we did just release last month though, and I really think you should listen to it. I had a really good time with Aliyah. Last month's episode is, oh, Warpormst Dune Prophecy Season 1. And no, really though, it was fun. It was really fun. And I'm actually ready for season two now. I'm ready. Yeah. It was an interesting different format in which I sit Chloe down and I'm like, what is it? it mean what is that please explain the rest of the series to me basically kind of like what our friendship is like in a way and that's great Eliana refuses

to read the rest of Dune because she could just ask me I don't I don't refuse to I actually do intend to it's just um I get distracted by being like I'm gonna read Parable of the Sower and then Spiral. Um, and then I get stuck in the spiral and now I gotta gotta read other other things. So you go Damien Duffy. Check that out. We also of course have our Patreon discord where you can chat in fun channels, but also join once a month for brunch slash happy hour aka once a month for brunch slash happy hour, AKA for happy hour, if you will. And this month is actually tomorrow. Tomorrow, tomorrow, April 12th, April 12th, 25 baby. Yeah. And that's available for people in the thunder tier and above. Yeah. And we'd love to have you.

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Sorry about the last handful of weeks on and off, but we're working on it. We're working on it. It should go back to normal from here, right? So this week we have Glytus, Next week we will be back with just us for Danny 6 and then Danny 7 we have another guest. So get ready for that. We'll announce that next week, but this is your foreshadowing. They're great. Like a hard act to follow with Glytus, but I think we're gonna nail it. We're gonna egg out this shit, you know? Boom, boom, boom. Well, without any emails or tweets of note or comments

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We'll uh... Next week. Next week is a good catch-up week. It's just us. Justice. That brings us to our lightning round where we cover what we missed between Denary's 4, A Game of Thrones, and Denaryys V, a game of thrones, starting with Bran V. At the edge of the Wolf's Wood, Bran comes into conflict with the Free Folk. Tyrion V. Tyrion declares a trial by combat in the Eyrie. And then in Eddard X, Ned dreams an old dream, the Tower of Joy dream, and then Robert forces him to take his job back. Sucks in this economy.

Yeah, dude. Would take it. Catalan 7. Would take. Would take. What the heck? Catalan 7. While the Lannisters gather an army, Catalan watches Tyrion walk free.

Whoa. Lannisters gather an army, Catalin watches Tyrion walk free. John V. John asks Maester Aemon for a favor in protecting his friend, Sam. And then in Tyrion VI, while travelling through the High Road, Tyrion makes some new friends in the Stonecrows. In a dropped plot thread that may come back never. Wow. I believe. In Tew believe. In the veil. I believe. Yeah. Actually Stone Crows is like a good band name. Lots. Absolutely. I'd rock out. Some Stone Crow rock. Yeah. Etterd 11. Etterd dispenses the king's justice. Sansa 3. Sansa cannot believe that her father is ruining her life like this by sending her away from King's Landing.

What the fuck, Dad? Literally. You're ruining my life! And then Ned in added 12 tells Cersei his plan to ruin her life and gives her a chance to get out of that scot-free. Oh boy, does she take that chance. But in a different way. Ned really just ruins his own life. Very literally. Yeah, but it was the right thing to do.

Like it was. Oh yeah, real. IDK. IDK. That leads us into Daenerys V, and to quote a famous artist? Poet? Daenerys ate a horse heart, took it down, didn't throw up, got knocked up as she mistakenly traded in the fate of her baby, and put her hubby in a coma.

Smothered his ass and built a funeral pattern. Okay, sorry. Game of Thrones birthday wrap anyone? Respect. I know because you only care about medieval fun time and I only care about the birthday wrap and you only care about fun time Well, I've heard about medieval fun time world and also high school of Thrones, which again it should have Oh yeah, that's our mutual It should not have been what is it? They had like we do not party rock and it should have been like what is it? Yeah, we do not bro. It should have been we do not bro because it's signed with we do not party rock and should have been like what is it you're not bro it should have been we do not we do not bro we do not so that's so good yeah yeah yeah but I think they know that now I will say ash

of hey ash what you play in is denier's in that and also is on mythic quest and writes and produces on mythic quest and acts on mythic quest which is very good which our friend Ashea told me to watch. So follow that trail. Have you started? We should talk. Let's talk sometime. They have an Australian on it as a main character. Yeah, she's also, I was just going to say the episode I just watched explores some of her roots and tag log and I thought about you today when I watched it. Also, I cried in this episode. It was very good. Season three is so good so far. Yes, I am capable of crying. Yeah, sorry, not to talk about your people.

Gwydus. The Aussies, yeah. We are an ancient and proud people. Yes. Now, we're a joke culture, really. So are we, buddy. So are we. These days. Well, anyways. Aliana, bring us into Dany 5.

Yeah, so usually we start out with the actual chapter, but I have already some passionate thoughts, so it's just a fascinating lead up to this chapter, right? There's so many other POVs in between the Daenerys chapters, which kind of surprises me. It's so far apart from the previous one. Yeah, it actually is. And like even people double up chapters in that in between. You can really see that sense of geography stretching where George spaces Dany's chapters

out between everyone that's somewhat closer. That's true. And I guess you've got a lot of rising action there with the Kingsley, I think, stuff, but whatever. It's a girl, denarius. And yeah, leading up to this, the chapters really kind of explore those sibling tensions and also those questions of how family members protect each other versus harm each other in the lead up and that like, for example, you have Rob trying to balance giving Bran autonomy while Bran's learning to navigate his disability and his age, while Rob is also being protective of Bran, right? And then he's also navigating that complex relationship he has with Theon when he realizes, I kind of failed,

I kind of failed my younger brother there, but I'm gonna plan it all on beyond. But like, you know, you see him trying to live up to that. Then you also have like Jamie acting brotherly in a way by being like, you know, I'm gonna shoot that in the streets in retaliation for the kidnapping of my younger brother. But especially like what really prompted this thought for me was the Sansa and Arya bickering a few chapters before, where Sansa says to Arya, go ahead, call me all the names you want, you won't dare when I'm married to Joffrey, you'll have to bow to me and call me your grace. And I think that that is very interesting in the context of how the power dynamics between Viserys and Daenerys start shifting over the past few chapters and Viserys like failure to kind of realize what that actually means for her to be the Khaleesi and you know you wouldn't dare hurt the Queen or the Khaleesi you

have to bow can't insult and you definitely can't threaten to harm them and so it's a preamble. I want to send it over to sibling haver, Glidus, on this one. Because I, as sibling-less folks, this is a dynamic I've never had, but I do have friends that I grew up alongside. And you can feel that power struggle, right? Of like, who's in charge? Then when does it change? Yeah. Like there's sort of a natural flow of the power between the older and the younger siblings typically, but as life goes on and things become more complicated, that shifts as Viserys finds out a bit too late.

Yeah. And are you the Viserys in your- I'm the youngest of four. Oh, right. I'm the Daenerys. I'm the pregnant little girl with a sword pointed at my navel during baby shower. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Got it. And my husband did in fact murder my older brother. How could Alt Schwift X do this? So that's actually, it's quite a, it's sort of dark that you would bring that up, but we'll move past it. Huh. Yeah, good call on the Sansa and Arya though. Especially the Joffrey and the sword, like thinking of it all and like seeing it and how it's portrayed, it's very similar. And also shout out to Fire and Blood and how it's portrayed, it's very similar. And also shout out to Fire and Blood and House of the Dragon, right? Because you have the

children fighting each other, ripping each other's eyeballs out, all that over familial place, right? And who's the true heir or not? So thinking back to Aemond and co. Siblings, man. Every week I ask my friends while watching White Lotus, is this what having siblings is like? They're like, no. Good, good to know. We do open the chapter with this passage. The heart was steaming in the cool evening air when Kaldrogoth set it before her, raw and bloody. His arms were red to the elbow. Behind him, his blood riders knelt on the

sand beside the corpse of the wild stallion, stone knives in their hands. The stallion's blood looked black in the flickering orange glare of the torches that ringed the high chalk walls of the pit. Dany touched the soft swell of her belly. Sweat beaded her skin and trickled down her brow. She could feel the old woman watching her, the ancient crones of Vestodrak, with eyes that shone dark as polished flint in their wrinkled faces. She must not flinch or look afraid. I am the blood of the dragon, she told herself as she took the stallion's heart in both hands, lifted it to her mouth, and plunged her teeth into the tough stringy flesh.

All right, so I have a prompt here where I want to hear Gladys' tasting that it's about all this. I'm pretty sure we did actually rank this one in one of our first food. Actually, we must have. Yeah, I believe we must have given it an E or an F. I think old Triftex wanted to give it an F, but I was like, no, but we have to leave room for the cannibalism later. So I think we gave it an E. Oh, you're doing a separate

cannibalism episode. Hmm. Hmm. Ha! Wah! Hmm. When there's a cannibalism, there's a will-a-bilism. Anyway. Oh, okay. Interesting.

Yes, we can. Yeah, yes, we cannibalism. Ah, yeah, sensory sounds pretty, I don't know, I can like feel it. You know, like if I close my eyes and I hear this passage or like I read it and then close my eyes, I can definitely feel the hot blood. I like the implication that he pulled it out right and also the stone knives that no steel Yeah, no knives. It's kind of like a little I Don't know rough aggressive butchery like what I also know sick. Yeah, it's very like, you know They were up in it. I just saw a pig carcass get cut up at an expo for work and that was crazy.

That was wild. So very wild. I guess like I've never cut up like a whole raw pig, but I'm pretty impressive at pig gross. So you need someone to cut the pig there. It's me. Um, I'll send you pics sometime. I have all these pictures and nowhere to send the pig there. It's me. Um, I'll send you pics sometime.

I have all these pictures and nowhere to send them. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm like thinking about, I don't know. I don't think I could do it. I couldn't eat a whole horse heart. Definitely not in one sitting and definitely not raw.

And well, they're huge horse hearts are enormous. Exactly. Like, especially like stallion, like riding horse hearts because like they have all that muscle to pump the blood around their bodies. They're huge. It's like eight to 10 pounds. That's a lot. That's a lot.

So like no wonder she starved herself for a day and a half to fit it down. I actually like was thinking about that and I can't tell if that's helpful or not because on one hand I understand wanting to be hungry, but at at the same time if you wait like a day and a half and you don't eat then you're like, your stomach is shrinking. Yeah, I think you have to hit the happy medium. Yeah, it's a delicate balance between like, and I think about this sometimes

when I'm about to have a big meal, I'm like, I can't go too hungry or else I won't be able to eat enough, right? I gotta make the most out of the buffet, the all you can eat, like all that stuff. Like you gotta make sure that elasticity. I'm like, there's a whole lot behind it. Yeah. Yeah.

There really is literally like your stomach stretches, right? So like after a day and a half of no eating, it's gotten real tight in there. And then then there's the appetite of it all, like the the chemicals in your brain that signal to your stomach that it's time to stop eating the satiatory chemical, I'm not sure how to put it. They're going to kick in sooner. So I think the strategy would actually be to wolf it down as fast as possible, regardless of what you've eaten beforehand.

You have like 20 minutes before it really starts signaling me and being like, maybe we're full. Yeah. Literally. I don't know if I could eat a horse heart in 20 minutes. I know I can't. I know I can't. Yeah. It's like those, like all you can eat challenges of places, like eat this giant fucking burger bigger than three people's heads or whatever and get your face on the wall. Well, good news. Your face is on the prophecy girlfriend, not the wall.

Your brother's face is on the floor. Oh, not, not the wall yet, but eventually it might be at the wall. Whenever I picture a horse heart, um, there was a famous Australian race horse in the 1930s called Fart Lap and his heart is actually on display in the National Museum of Australia in Canberra. Fascinating. And I saw that as a kid and it's one and a half times the size of an average thoroughbred

racehorse heart, which is, they're already huge to begin with. So this horse's heart is 14 pounds and that's what I picture when I think about this that Daenerys is eating. 14. Wow. So like, this is not a great thing to say, but I used to like, so there were burrito eating like basically those challenges, right? And it'd be like, eat an eight pound burrito or something and you get it for free. And I was just like, that's like basically the weight of a baby.

That's like a newborn, you know, not that's how I would contextualize it. And 14 pounds is way more than that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah, dude. That's huge. Just like don't think it can be good for the fetus, you know, like it's not healthy. You're eating a lot of raw meat. And maybe like, I don't know. I don't know. Like there's the freshness aspect. So maybe there's less risk of health issues. I'm not sure but like if I'm not allowed to Yeah, another reason I don't want to be pregnant is like then you can't eat sushi or like You know, I just can't get the kinds of cheese. Yeah, exactly

Like how can this be how can this actually strengthen the child? I don't understand. I'm not selfless enough for any of that You're right. You're so right I'm not selfless enough for any of that. You're right. You're so right. And so the bigger thing is like, the bigger thing about eating a raw horse heart would be while pregnant that you could get listeriosis or toxoplasmosis because your immune system is compromised, right? And food poisoning and cause like super flu like symptoms. And the whole thing is like you're the vessel and it's living off of you. So like, another thing is like these things, the biggest fear of why you shouldn't do that is it can lead to miscarriage. Yeah. It's so easy to blame Mirri Mazdur and like botched blood magic nonsense later on for the, for whatever happens to Rago.

But like, girl, you ate a horse heart. Girl, the terrorists. I don't know, man. Like maybe there's just a more rational physical explanation for what happens to Rago. Yeah. It's just not like a- Or like the fact like you're supposed to ride up till giving birth. Oh, true.

Yeah. The, the, all of the riding, my God. And they don't ride like a little stroll. Like I love when like in, in Storm when Sansa is in King's Landing, you know, trapped there, she's like, I could take the horse around the bailey again. Hooray. Like, that's not real riding. They're like, we're going through uneven plains and we're gonna hit like 50 miles

in two hours. Let's go. Like, that's intensive. Yeah. All these things just like like, don't sound great for a pregnancy, but I mean, I guess other things could have been at play, but I guess it's fortunate maybe that it happened when it did because it led to dragons being born, not that, you know, it's fortunate that everyone died, but whatever. The dragons. We all do, and die. Yeah.

We all do, and die. Yeah. I also feel like that passage kind of has some good others symbolism going on. Like if you read this, you could read it as if it was like during the others attacking Westeros too. The stone knives in hand and like the red bloody heart being torn out and the others like eating the heart even. I don't know, something felt very othersy. Others spotted. I was thinking House of the Undying. Yeah. That too. Especially there's like the phrase of her worrying at the heart and you have that line of like the breasts

being gnawed at being worried at in the House of the Undying. Yeah that was so weird too speaking of cannibalism. I'm like why are they eating her boobies? Leave that girl alone. The world, bro. Westros. It's Westros, girl. Not to kink shame, but... I mean, some light biting, but not actually, don't actually eat, you know, we're not here for vore.

Some nibbles on the nipples maybe, but that's it. Yeah, agreed. This isn't the time to talk about blood plays, so The Dothraki believe that if a mother eats the entire heart her son will be strong, swift, and fearless. Danny had trained for two moons. Strong, swift, and fearless. Do you think Tyler Swift eats horse hearts?

Girl, horse hearts? Not a whole one. Danny trained for two moons by eating blood and dried horse flesh, starving for a day and a half before the ceremony, as we said. So some of the language in this kind of stood out to me because they're talking about if she chokes on the blood or throws up, then the child could be, as they say, stillborn or come fourth week to form their female. And we talk a lot.

Or even worse, female. Exactly, right? Like it's a fascinating equivalence between all of these things. Like you being dead is basically the same as being female, which is interesting. Anyways, anyways. True. Yeah. But the equivalence of all these in their culture, like, and and we talk about how it manifests in Westeros as well, the first book starts laying that out in the foundations of that argument, and we've discussed often gender norms and the performance of masculinity. And of course, we have the assassination attempt on Bran, and part of it is due to the idea that was put forth

by other people who were just puttering around, gossiping. They're like, I mean, he's as good as dead, or he'd be better off dead, right, than being disabled, right? And then to then equivocate being weak slash deformed to being stillborn in Dothraki culture, and then even the way that we see weakness in Samwell Tarley's storyline, right, and how he's portrayed initially, they make him seem very feminine for that as opposed to reframing later on what it means to be strong.

We have Daenerys hoping to deliver a son, which, you know, that's not unique to her. All the girls and women in the planetos societies are conditioned to want this. That's equivocated with strength and it forces her, as well as all these girls and women, to be complicit in this farce, especially because she knows she's stronger than her brother, right? And so after this point forward we then start exploring how she navigates power and gender throughout her story, knowing that people would rather her son than her be a leader. And that's, I mean, a lot of what the story explores through various POVs. And again, it's like really dumb this whole like food holding things down for the pregnancy and being like, yeah, it's definitely gonna be, it's definitely a sign of strength if you hold it down as opposed to like if you throw it up to me

I'm like that means that your body recognizes this is unhealthy for you and we're trying to expel it so that the baby lives But that's what happens when you get rid of your Department of Health and Human Services or the FDA, but whatever What do I know? Oh my god the daughter I can gutted that They think RFD would know? Oh my god, the dog Raki gutted that? They do want to gut. Do you think RFD would fit in? Oh my god. The brain worms and the fire worms and the battle. Oh wow, that would be legendary. John V coming a little bit before this too, I think there's something great about

Sam right? John just stuck up for Sam as someone who's worthwhile, right? Like, no, Sam isn't a murderous knight slaying motherfuckers left and right, but he still has fucking value. He's someone worth standing up for, someone smart, somebody who contributes to what they need and what they do, and that comes through very strongly. Absolutely interesting that everything surrounding this culture for Dani's unborn child is maybe not healthy for it. It's already being attacked before it leaves the womb.

Yeah, and obviously there's the entire character of Tyrion Lannister, who like, is described as stunted and deformed and weak and like, useless in the, um, feudalistic combat sense, all that stuff. But like, he- his value is so apparent beyond that, like, if you widen your scope to be beyond what the Dothraki consider good, Deterian Lannister is obviously a worthwhile person until he starts committing atrocities, obviously. Yeah, no, but for real he is, and that's, I mean, that says a lot about why Dany will probably bring him to her council, right? She'll see that value in him.

Yeah, there's a lot that parallels their stories, and I mean, you're discussing him being worthwhile. We like see so much of that competence and even some of that courage, right? When he's in the veil in those chapters preceding this one. He's like, what the fuck is happening to me? Yeah. All right, buckle up. face doth wreck, so Dany must tear the heart apart, tooth and nail." She struggles through it, and she does look to Khal Drogo a couple times, chewing and swallowing with determination, taking strength from him, and maybe in his somewhat pride in her, right? It looks like maybe, because he doesn't often betray his emotions publicly, he looks proud. Yeah. I just realized she must have so much stuff like stuck in her teeth afterwards, you know? Oh yeah. Girl needs a flosser, like an interdental.

Oh, I bet horse hair actually could be like pretty decent floss anyways. Yeah, probably. Yeah, my secret is sometimes if I don't have a floss, I use my hair. I like pull it out though. I don't leave it in my head. That'd be gross. So convenient though. Yeah, exactly.

Learning so much about each other every week. Yeah. We keep it exciting. We keep the relationship exciting. So the text really goes over what Khal Drogo is wearing in this moment, which I think is fun. He's got the gold, the rings and the mustache, the bells and the hair, but also especially, he's got a medallion belt because he's channeling his 2000s fashion sense, just belts for fun. And it's significant for the chapter's end. So I love that we kind of get that call back to it and we know what he's wearing.

Also, yeah, speaking again about stomach health, she does keep the horse heart down, even though her stomach is rolling and I just broiling and I just think that's kind of an interesting contrast to where she ends up at the end of A Dance with Dragons, where we are not keeping food down or in our bodies. As a person who recently went through this experience. E. Eating a horse heart? No. Little primate with Cal Drogo's child?

Stomach problems. Stomach problems. It wasn't dysentery, but it was not fun. It was bad. Did you lose six days? Practically. It almost felt like that. So what I'm getting from your experience is the more you drank, the so on and so forth. Yeah, it actually was kind of like that. Well, yeah.

Well, maybe if Dani had Karl Drogo staring at her that whole time, she would have been able to keep some of that water in her. Yeah, keep it in. Yes. Hold it. had Karl Drogo staring at her that whole time, she would have been able to keep some of that water in her. Yeah, keep it in, yes. Hold it down. Or a good like, emotium. Ooh yeah, get that emotium. Not to invoke Game of Thrones to just make a point, but I'm going to do exactly that, because like, in this scene in Game of Thrones,, like I think it's quite clear that at least Jason Momoa is portraying pride at Emilia Clarke when she's chowing down on this thing.

Yeah, I'd be proud too. I think he is proud. Yeah. I do think so. There's a lot of little Keldrogoisms that are starting to come up in these chapters, right, where she starts to really break through the hard shell of who he was at the front of the story, like the next chapter especially, right, when he's just speaking to her in the common tongue that she's been teaching him, which like learning a language from someone is very intimate,

right? I think of like Cat and Liza with their secret language that they knew as girls, right, back when they knew one another, teaching him this language that isn't even her real first language anymore. Like she speaks Valyrian as her default. She would much rather be speaking Valyrian. She thinks it pretty often. So it's a lot of trust and a lot of work. Is speaking common just like to make things easier for Jorah?

Because who else is going to be benefiting from them speaking the Westerosi common tongue? Isn't that interesting, like, that she didn't teach him Valyrian? And maybe that's because it's something more precious to her in some aspects. Maybe she didn't want him to have that because her and her brother, they speak common tongue in the last couple chapters, right? But they do speak some Valyrian back and forth. We just don't read it. We don't see it. And I guess it's partially because what? So the series would know Valyrian, A, because of their time in the Free Cities. But as we see from House of the Dragon, theoretically, maybe he learned it from the rest of his family. But a lot of his childhood in those early formative years when people are forming language would have been surrounded perhaps by a lot of other people who more likely speak

common tongue because he didn't leave Westeros till much later. So maybe he feels more comfortable talking and expressing himself in common tongue. They do speak in Valyrian sometimes, but whereas Daenerys' formative years were in the free cities where that is the dominant language And so maybe she's teaching it to call Drogo not just because she wants him to like understand her but also to prepare him for like Hey, don't you want to know the language or the place that we're gonna go when you? Yeah, my homeland for me So that is important. That is important when Danny finishes the heart She proclaims which she has practiced,

Calaca dore mirana, a prince rides inside me. The crone responds and the women chant in unison, Rack, rack, haj, a boy, a strong boy. Did you practice that same as Daenerys? I did not. Oh, wow. That was a one and done. Thank you.

You didn't have a handmaid helping you out with that one? I'm a natural. Khaleesi. Khaleesi. The prince is hurt. That's it. Kelly. Oh my God.

Kelly. See, I haven't heard that one in a while. Not Kelly C. It's a good one. Kelly Clarkson. Wow, throwbacks. I will say, like, I started Dothraki on Duolingo and I got, like, one lesson and I have no retention of any of it.

But it was fun. The one lesson. I was blessed. Duolingo will remember that. Duolingo will take that to the grave. I broke my streak because you know, like clinical depression and I haven't gone back and I accidentally clicked the app yesterday and now I'm getting all these Duolingo notifications. Like it left me alone because it was like, oh, you're a fucking stupid quitter bitch.

But now I've clicked it open and now it's like, interesting, interesting to see you back. So I'm like, do I have to start again? I don't know. Has anyone actually ever like learned a language from Duolingo? Like I know you can learn things about the language, but has anyone not like gone into Duolingo, not knowing anything about Italian and then gone through Duolingo, not knowing anything about Italian, and then gone through Duolingo and nothing else, nothing else has helped them. And then they come out and they know Italian.

So has anyone ever done that? Yeah, that's what I was learning. Yes, and no. So like, I'm not just doing Duolingo, to be fair. Like I'll watch movies in Italian and I'm like going to read some stuff in Italian was my goal before the clinical depression quitting Duolingo after 525 days and which is a pretty good streak. I really I was doing it but I was phoning it in at the end but like I think it like it can get you

close. Like I can I could go to Italy probably and survive. I do think so. But I want more time doing it before I, before I do so. But I think it's a good tool to your point. Like it's like a accessory. It's like you do that and like I can watch movies and somewhat understand what they're saying now. Okay.

So you're saying if I spent two years on Duolingo learning Dothraki, I could go to Veyst Dothrak and like, keep up with what's going on. Yeah. I see. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Take a little dip in the womb of the world.

Yeah. You and Belucifer could hang out. I think, yeah, I think so. It also feels like, you know, the Dothraki, they seem pretty, pretty open to people learning their language too. You know, they're not gonna, They're not gonna gatekeep that. They're gonna be like, oh, how cool. I appreciate you.

And yeah. Yeah, because you're probably serving them. Oh, wow. Oh. Well, am I wrong? Well, you gotta do something. Or you could be one of the traders, like not traitor, trade persons, the people, you know,

the merchants who go there because it is an international place of exchange. Also on unit one of High Valyrian, I forgot about that. A word. So, one of these is gonna stick. Either Italian, Dothraki, or High Valyrian. One of them. I'm sure one of them might be useful.

Yeah, I only use Duolingo to review. I use it to only review languages, not for learning, but it was helpful for reviewing. What's your review of French? It was actually French. I was reviewing French and Spanish both. It was alright, I like did a non-zero amount of like stuff, but I mean my French is just not very good. That's okay. Theirs isn't either. That's a review of French. Not very good. So that's okay. There's isn't either. That's a review of French. Not very good. Well, bells clang in a war horn sounds as smoke rises into the night sky. And we have this quote of the Dothraki believed the stars were horses made of fire. A great herd that galloped across the sky by night. As the smoke ascended, the chanting died away

and the ancient crone closed her single eye, the better to peer into the future. Drogo lays his hand on Dany's arms and she can feel the tension in his hands, the slight fear at the crone staring into the future. Her handmaids flit around her nervously and the crone opens her eye, lifts her arms, and responds, I have seen his face and heard the thunder of his hooves. The thunder of his hooves! As swift as the wind he rides, and behind him his khalasar covers the earth, men without number, with aryx shiny in their hands like blades of razor grass. Fierce as a storm, this prince will be. His enemies will tremble before him,

and their wives will weep tears of blood and rend their flesh in grief. The bells in his hair will sing his coming, and the milkmen in their stone tents will fear his name." This is me trembling and looking at Dany almost as if I am afraid. Um. The prince is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world. The stallion who mounts the world! The one-eyed crow appeared at Dany. What shall he be called, this stallion who mounts the world?

He shall be called Rago. Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! Rago! The name was still ringing in her ears as Cal Drogo led her from the pit. The hit show on HBO.

The pit. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for committing. That's all I care about. People. Let's pack it up. Everyone. Let's get out of here. Yeah, thank you. Thank you glad us. Thank you for committing that's that's all I care about people

Let's pack pack it up everyone. Let's let's get out of here. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's it That's all we had to do the one-eyed crow stands out here That line the oldest of the Crohn's a bent and shriveled stick of a woman with a single black eye Interesting to think of in context with your on and his plot potentially intersecting with Danny's right somebody else with one black eye. Interesting to think of in context with Euron and his plot potentially intersecting with Dani's, right? Somebody else with one black eye and the smiling eye. And looking into the future, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. The future and the psychedelic eldritch quality of Euron showing up in her plot. And then the idea of like sacrificing to gain vision.

Right. What did this crone sacrifice in order to gain this vision? And what was her story? She was once a Khaleesi. Yeah, the entire concept of the Doshkaleen is tragic. Yeah, it's all nestled in sacrifice and loss. Yeah, makes me think a little bit of Baric too, right? As we go forward in the story of somebody coming back to life and having been dead.

That one-eyed, yeah. George loves his one-eyed weirdos. Yeah, he fucking loves the Odin of it all, right? He very much loves a little Odin of sacrificing to gain vision and Mimir's well, drinking from Mimir's well, drinking from Mimir's well. It's precisely what Bran is going through.

Yeah, kinda, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Honestly, she's got an interesting stuff. I hope we see her again, or like we see more about them again when we do return to Vaes Dothrak in the winds of winter, probably. Another thing that I like, you know, I think that the crone with the single eye, it's an idea and an image that's familiar to us, not just from like Norse mythology, but it also evokes like those

old myths from Greek mythology of the Greye. You know, they're also old women, they're crones, and they were sisters to the Gorgons and they all share one eye and one tooth. These people seem to have all their own teeth maybe, but I don't really know dental like hygiene's like difficult like just in general when you don't have toothbrushes. But thankfully Daenerys has her teeth because she fucking needed it this chapter. For fucking sure. It makes me think of uh that song by the Ludes, Girl with One Eye that Florence and the Machine performed a while back in her career. It reminds me of that a little bit.

Gotta jam to that. Throw that one on, Chad. We've come full circle, because Florence did Jenny's song in Game of Thrones. Oh my God, you're right. It's all connected, it all loops back around. I have all these A-Swap lists, they have to have a little flow on there. You gotta have a little flow on an Aeswaf playlist, whether it's genies or like actual.

Yeah. Yeah. Like there's like five of those puppies on my son's playlist. The crones seeing with a single eye, like I suppose you could say that the entire hole is using that one crone's one eye to look at, like the entire Dothraki society is using this one Crohn's one eye to look into the future. So they are sort of sharing the vision through her. Yeah. Thinking about the eye like feels, yeah, as you said, looking through the well, the womb itself also being in a way an eye.

And like not to be dune pilled, but like, makes me think a lot of the Bene Gesserit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then of course the Fremen and different prophecies that the Fremen have too, but there's a lot of, I mean, we've talked a lot about Daenerys and Dune in the last handful of chapters and to catch you up, we talked a little bit about Alia of the Knife and her fate in Dune and being pre-born and how Daenerys and Viserys are like, they're abomination, right? Like they are prophecy, they are history, they are all of that in one, wrapped in one. And that's some of the great tragedy about them. So interested to see where that goes. This passage here where the crone is telling of like the stallion who mounts the world, this like great, terrible, horrifying conqueror.

Like it's so Mwadib. Yes. That's just, it's the only thing that it is really. Yeah. There's something there, right? Of the weird inbred children in the deserts being prophesied to take over the world. As this monolith unifier of the society who will conquer and destroy the world. And better the world. Yeah, because that's the thing.

Like this is not when you are immersed in the chapter, immersed in the hard eating. It sounds great, right? You're like the, yeah, stallion that mounts the world! But the old woman trembled and looked at Dani almost as if she were afraid. What she saw was maybe not victorious, right? Like thoughts and prayers. She fears her. She fears what Dani is creating within her right now, which is fire and blood. LSF And it's kind of cool because it gives that sense of power, right? And it's interesting because it's something like where they can behold it in Daenerys,

but they were denied it themselves as Dosh Kalin. Where are the eyes looking? We talk a lot about like, oh, is it all tapping into the same magic source, right? When all the visions, same place, ultimately just different names. And I do think it's interesting that like the crones, they light the fire in order to see into the future. But they don't really stare into the flames. I guess she closes her eyes so she can like concentrate a little better, but it is still like the language of it does say when the Doshkaleen peered into the smoke of the future. So there's still kind of a

connection there. Are the night fires kind of the same source for them as well? And yet that it's the smoke, not the fire, kind of shows that idea of it being obscured, it's fleeting, unlike how fire implies clarity and brightness. So things are kind of hard to see which is why they're like mmm stallion Sun obviously it's a Sun we never looked for a girl as they all say yes there's no translation for it I don't know I was looking at the word for like Kalaka and I was like I guess that does probably mean Prince because I don't know I don't I didn't fucking study Dothraki so you can go tell me if it's gender specific or not. Maybe they don't have a word for princess. I'll just quickly look up the Dothraki vocab on the wiki.

Oh, you don't have it on Duolingo like me? I've got that bookmarked actually. No, it's better than Duolingo. It's David J. Peterson's personal wiki. Duolingo sponsor us though. Yeah, no, please, God. My children are dying. La Croix, with your sunshine flavor, please sponsor me.

I don't know about sunshine. It has sunflowers all over the can. It's like new. It's supposed to be kind of like citrus and maybe sweet, like honeyed. Like maybe orange blossomy? I don't know. But bright, sunny. Sponsor us. La Croix? La Croix? La Croix? Interesting though, I will say to like your translation though, I mean, if they're

referring to a Valyrian prince in because of her derived of her, the child will be part of the- I think it still works. I think it's still like, it's a technicality and I think it works because prophecy is all about them technicalities. It's just they're a little overlooking it. It's all so silly. It's all so silly. Again, the prince is her. The word kalaki means princess. Oh, I'm surprised they have a word for princess as well, because what place... Me too.

I don't think it ever comes up. I think David J. Peterson's just made it. He probably made it at the same time as he made this. Maybe. Yeah. Balance in the Force. A procession follows onto the godway to the mother of mountains, led by the Croans of the Dolsh Kaleen, their enix and slaves in tow.

Each Croan was once a Khaleesi, sent here to reign after their calls died and new ones took their place. Dani shudders at the thought of one day joining them, whether she will sit or not. I think that's George planting a seed. Yeah, she's gonna upend that for sure. I mean, the seed was already planted inside of her, but- Oh, word. Oh, no.

Sorry. I'm sorry, I'll leave. Also, like, the exact line is, it gave Dani the shivers and I'm like fire and blood George I see what you did there you little shit with Danny and the shivers. She has the shivers here too Got it. Yeah, I don't know Find it interesting. I like when George does that because I know he's like winking at the camera at me I'm like, I see you George You uh And literally just at me not at you. Just you. Yeah camera at me. I'm like, I see you, George. Yeah. At you.

And literally just at me, not at you. Just you, yeah. Just me. I also noticed something as I'm like rereading these chapters, I was reading Next Weeks 2 and I feel like there's such a focus in A Game of Thrones on the different unix that are enslaved in Veystothrax and we don't see a lot of them in Acoq, except for Belos. Right? Ah! He's coming. He's coming.

Oh no, I was thinking Acoq and I thought we were making jokes about Unix. Yeah, because there are no Unix in Acoq. Oh! Yeah, good one. No, I was still just... Get it? Yeah. Gladys and I thought that's what was happening.

Great, now there's two of you wonderful But yeah, I don't know there's something interesting going on of like the the plethora of eunuchs that are serving in a game of thrones they are serving and then storm of swords and Her army of them. Yeah, they are serving. They are always serving. They're serving. It is really interesting and also again,

the tension between being of this othered kind of gender, yet obviously being aligned with strength. So... But then there are eunuchs in the story that aren't aligned with strength. Like, I mean, obviously Varys. Yeah. Soft strength. Yeah.

Soft power. Yeah. Power's powers. Yeah. He does like navigate power just like in a very different. It is interesting. Varys. In Varys way.

Varys. I'm sorry. That wasn't that good. People out there who theorize that Varys is a woman because of, you know, his lack of association with strength and also because he doesn't have a penis and therefore is a woman. That's how that works. That's-

I- His mum didn't keep the stallion's heart, so he's not- Sheesh. He's not strong, swift and fearless. Expand- expand y'all's horizons, you know? Like, gender is the spectrum. There's a lot of different ways you can approach it. It's all down to what sort of horse heart your mother ate.

That's true. Oh man. Well, I don't want to know what mine ate because my mom ate a lot of dilly bars. That's what she likes to tell me. That was what she craved. That's so funny. Mine put horsey sauce from Arby's on everything. That's so funny. Mine put horsie sauce from Arby's on everything. That's crazy.

Like muffins, blueberry muffins. She said she was just pouring Arby's horsie sauce on. Okay, horsie sauce. Okay, crazy. That's how you and I became intertwined. All right, GLaDOS, what did your mommy put in with you? My mom just ate. Oh, she ate.

Girl. I can't wait till we get to Dani ate. There's gonna be so many of them too. It's gonna be great. So the Doshkalin are also interesting in terms of we talk about the way that power is, you know, the sword of Damocles and the heavy, the heavy crowns of things. But Daenerys dreading being brought to the Doshkaleen against Will, right? That is a threat that hangs over her at the end of the story.

It really shows that yes, the Doshkaleen are followed by the Dothraki, yet they don't want to necessarily be there. What if you don't want to fucking be followed? What if you don't want to be taken somewhere just because your husband died? And so there's this sort of like paradoxical cage of authority, especially when it comes to the female body. And it's like this illusion of power. So what if you have power over everyone else if you don't even have power over your own life and fate? There's something interesting in that it's like almost a place of respect, a protection, but all of the rules surrounding it are all saying that it's protecting them from the other Calves, really.

Oof, yeah that's a good point. It is a prison in a lot of ways. And I mean, interestingly, I'm not going to dig too much into this, but it makes me think of like Robert Baratheon, you know, being like, I don't really want to be king. But behind them, bride, Carl Ogo and his son Fogo, Di Chao, Carl Jomo and his wives, Drogo's chief men, Danny's handmaids, and all the others all marching to the sounds of drums and bells beneath the gods above. The Dothraki ask the meeting- oh, Drogo asks, so like, what does Rhaego mean? What is the name of my son?

It's so crazy. So crazy that they haven't discussed this. Right. I was thinking that, I was like, did you not talk about it? Right. I was thinking that I was like, did you not talk about it? It's also really interesting to me that Dani has the authority to name Drogo's son. I like that sticks out to me in Dothraki society as something I wouldn't expect. Makes you think of Leon.

Daenerys has certain like tangible, but not, political authority as Khaleesi. Yeah, it does fascinate me that like, as you said, like, she just kind of surprised everyone with this name and that the father doesn't know. Cause like- Yeah, she just made up a name. She really literally did just make it up. And it's just like, I read a lot of, am I the asshole? And people talk about like, am I the asshole for wanting to name my kid this?

I've been discussing it with my husband. We don't want to talk like he doesn't want this or like other family members. And I'm like, dang, this seems like a big decision. And it's just entirely up to Daenerys. And she just like off the cuff says, yeah, his name is going to be Rhaego. And everyone rolls with it. Even though she just made it up, she's a woman. And like, Drogo is not even mad.

Like I could imagine him being mad about this and yet his response is, okay, what, what does that mean? It's just so crazy. Could you imagine Robert Baratheon? You know? Right. Yeah. He didn't have a chance to, to name those children.

Let's be real. So he was like, ah, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh. But it does like, it- Joff, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh, nuh. But it does like- Yeah, that's true. Joffrey is a Westerlander name, those Joffrey- Oh, actually, what's that Joffrey? I know there's a Tommen, King of the World. Yeah, King Tommen.

And then there's- Joffrey is though, like there's the red dog, there's Joffrey Lannister. Yeah, yeah. There's- yeah, it is Westerland name, but that does like really frame Leanna, right? With Jon Snow and whatever his real name quote-unquote was, you know, having the power to actually name them. And I do think that Dani was put on the spot, like to be really fair, how did she know that they were gonna be like, you need to name this kid, even though she had kind of decided on it when she was cuddling with the egg last chapter, right? Well, it says that she used the words that Eerie taught her in the ninth proceeding.

So like she must have known that they were going to ask her. So this is like a procedural thing. This was going to happen. It's a thing that the Khaleesi names the child. It's part of the script, I guess. Yeah. Like they know, she knows she's going to be out of this. So she planned this ahead and I'm like, I don't know, part of it is like it's my ship name for you and my dead brother. But like- They're stuff, right? Feminist Haven, Sanfic Haven. It's just like Ann Julia. You need to get your mind off of this shit jukebox musical.

So bad. Hold on, I'm gonna- I can't stop the feeling. Okay, it could've been Shape of My Heart. And the I Can't Feel My Face mashup. Shape of My Heart could've been the song for, I guess, this chapter. Since that's amongst the things here. It was like, you're going to hear me.

IRL dude. That's the worst closer to because like the whole musical should be raw. Anyways, I checked and Santa eight in a clash of Kings, but in none of the other dead Santa eight, she did a good job. She only has a seven in the Song of Swords. Which to be fair, after Sansa 7, like no one else could eat because all she did was Sansa 7 is eat. It's true, it's true.

Like that chapter sucks. Which Dany chapter is Teenage Dream? Which Dany chapter is Since You've Been Gone? Dany Tenegah. No, that's raw. Since You've Been Gone maybe is a Clash of Kings 1 scenarios, right? I don't know. Or maybe it's actually the last-

Oh yeah, really. No, maybe it's a Dance with Dragons though, like Dani, like her last chapter there just because everyone's gone and coming back in her memory? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something to think about. How can I put it? You put me on.

I'm thinking about Teenage Dream. It's like- Yeah, that's her like, birth. Yeah, that's her like, birth. You put it, you put me on. I'm thinking about Teenage Dream. It's like, Yeah, that's her like, burning off her clothes in the fire. Yeah.

Okay. I get that, but I still think the roar fits better. Cause you're going to hear her roar. She's got the hard roar. Hot take, House of the Undying, because it's about a bunch of dreams. So what if the teenage dream is all the different prophecies in the House of the Undying because it's about a bunch of dreams. So what if the teenage dream is all the different prophecies in the House of the Undying? I don't really get the feeling of like, put your hands on me and my skin tight jeans be your teenage dream tonight when she's like having hallucinations from the psychedelic drugs that the warlocks have forced.

But they all do put their hands on her and then try to stop. True, in her skin tight jeans. No, no, no, no. They do think she's funny without any makeup on though. They do think that. Yeah. Oh, they have a, they have all their blue lipstick too. Oh yeah.

They want to go all the way tonight. No regrets. They really do. They can dance until they die. That's what Dance of the Dragons is about. I do too. It's my favorite Katy song. I was actually going to say that that is my favorite and like I had a friend and I was like, I associate this song with you. I don't know why I associate it with her. She's a lovely person.

See, I'm a real big fan of the Alien remix and I know that's cancelable these days but like it's still good. I mean like first I'm a pro-beaut, then I'm a disro- yeah. I don't know, it's really- I have very strong memories of driving around with that on the radio like in my car as a teenager actually to show my age since I was a teenager just a few years ago. to show my age since I was a teenager just a few years ago. Yeah, I'm negative five years old. Yeah, I love that there's a canonical Katy Perry song though with Pikachu. So it's pretty recent. Pikachu's in the music video.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't. Is it like Fate Pikachu? Does he sing? Um, I don't remember. I'll have to watch it again. Does Pikachu use all the- I'll send it to all of you. Thank you. I'm really glad that you'll do to watch it again. This Pikachu needs all the change.

Thank you, I'm really glad that you'll do this for me. Sponsor us Pokemon. Dan Ayres. Mood of my life. Spon Nintendo, but the Tarif is girl. Girl, the Tarif! Dude, I don't know, okay. I don't know what I'm gonna do about this switch too.

Anyways, um... So, Dani explains to Drogo the meaning. She explains that Rhaegar was her other brother, other, better, less horrible brother, a fierce warrior who died before she was born. That's why I said less. Okay, I said less horrible. Jorah had called him the last of the dragons, she says, and Drogo smiled saying, good name, Dan Ayres, moon of my life.

Ooh. I do love that. It's cute. I do actually. It's this and then like the next chapter. I'm like, how could you not fucking love him? Honestly. Well, it could be all the raiding and the raping and the raving, but like, I mean, beyond that, how could you not love him?

Yeah, he's just a sweet little bean. Oh my God, uwu baby boy. It's a- Yeah. There's a lot of complexity. There really is a lot of complexity in Daenerys' story. I'm here, this is for the first time now. They go ride to a lake.

Well, they ride to a lake called the Womb of the World, surrounded by reeds. Zsike tells her that many thousands of of years ago the first man emerged from its steps on a horse and Danny strips, which you know she's gotten really I guess used to being naked in front of people at this point. She steps gingerly into the lake. They tell her that there's no bottom to the lake and she's like, that's a fucking lie. There's mud under my toes. He squishes it. she basically does think that she's like that's a fucking lie um your religion's bullshit I'm feeling the bottom of this lake right right just like people are gonna pay me extra for these feet pics um the moon fucking news flash the stars aren't horses I don't know about that

that one that one we can come back to. I don't... Huh. We'll revisit that idea. We'll revisit your heresy in a second. Huh. Like I said, now there are two of them. Yeah, right. Jesus. What do we got? We both, I forgot the other one, but most importantly now that I remember most recently

is that we both believe Teenage Dream is our favorite Katy Perry song. Um, more investigation. Was it me floating above? Yeah, the stallion's blood had dried on her hands and face. I'll be back in just a moment. I've got to wash some goo off my fingers. I've got a bit of goo on my fingers. Oh no.

I was playing with a fidget toy on my desk and it broke open and there was goo inside of it and now there's goo on my finger. Hang on, I'll be right back. It's just like Daenerys. She's got the stallion's blood all over her hands and face. Actually failed at getting all the goo off my fingers, but we'll soldier on. Yeah. So she and Glydas, they're all cleansing. She cleanses herself and her child while the Kaal and the others are on. Yeah, so she and GLaDOS, they're all cleansing. She cleanses herself

and her child while the Kaal and the others look on. I like the Womb of the World. It's got some pretty interesting cosmology related to it, right? Biblical, Hindu, Buddhist, so much different cosmology. In the King James Bible, Ezra,, Ezra, there is, she shall answer thee. They that be born in the strength of youth are of one fashion, and they that are born in the time of age when the womb faileth are otherwise. So the womb is, in biblical reference, the earth's capacity to receive and nurture life, right? Like a regenerative place creation. And in Job 1-21, we have,

Naked, I came from my mother's womb, naked I'll return to the womb of the Earth. That's fire. Those are fire lyrics right there. Dude, the Bible is sick sometimes. Yeah. Who knows if it was real, but like, sick, sick, beat. And the other story that I really love is in kind of Puranic Hinduism or Vedic Hinduism. In Hirani Agarbha, the golden womb and the cosmic Egg. It's this metaphysical concept of like a universal womb and it's kind of an origin of the universe creation myth

where a cosmic egg that birthed the universe, so like moon not egg, Khaleesi, the idea of like a cosmic egg birthing everything out of it into that womb, it all returns. And in Buddhism, there's the womb realm, which is like, blue eyes, white dragon. The womb realm, it's a metaphysical space inhabited by the five compassion Buddhas, which are like represented amidst a mandala, but represents the source of all phenomena and the connection between everything. Like me, you, air, grass, all of it, which is also kind of like very, I feel like those are very, you know, Dothraki core, if you will. Oh woomst.

If you won't. Oh woomst, get out. You gotta go. I'm so sick of it. Oh woomst. Oh woomst. Oh woomst. Oh wopsed. Oompsed. But yeah, I don't know.

There's something really cool there with some of that cosmology and folklore. Yeah, I love it. It's something that we just kind of, I guess, associate with these ideas, right? Like the life givingness of the Earth and... It's giving life. There's something else. I'm trying to think of other things like regarding cosmic eggs. of the earth and yeah it's giving life I'm trying to think of other things like regarding cosmic eggs like um I think there's also something in Pokemon yeah um yeah cause cause cause me on is that

what it's called yeah the Cosmo Cosmo right in the this is a Pokemon Sun and Moon right the Alola region one, yes. Yeah, with the cute little fluffy, like it's like purpley, bluey, galaxy looking. And it can either become either of the thingies and- Like fluffy cloister? Yes. I'm glad we all play Pokemon Sun and Moon apparently. It evolves into the sun or the moon, yeah.

Yes. What is it? Lunala and I forgot the name of the- And Solgaleo. Solgaleo. Oh, Yes. What is it? Lunala and I forgot the name of the. Soul Galio. Oh shit. Was that like. Jen six, no seven, seven, eight, seven.

Okay. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah. Six is X and Y. Um, we don't talk about that.

Really? I kind of liked that. I cried. I cried at the story for that one. Oh, wow. I got bored. I mean, I'm pretty, I'm sure it's good. I just like was playing Pokemon though is the problem. Yeah. I just, uh. I get that. Real.

Is there only a Slate though? I know a lot of people. Yeah. Well, they're coming out. I'm curious because what? The next- Oh yeah, Zed A. Legends game. Yeah. Is going to be about exactly that region, so I'm interested. And that's really cool because I think it's the most underutilized thing they've done is Kalos. Oh yeah, I loved the friend safari mechanic too, was part of it, from X and Y. And yeah,

when Floette and I guess CA or whatever, I forgot uh Reunite I'm like oh my god Reunited anyways um so yeah the womb of the world. There it is. Yeah Chloe's like oh god there are two of them so the womb of the world um is uh we're discussing you know all these associations that we kind of naturally come to it with. And I guess Freud would say it's because we associate the womb not only with the life-giving nature of things, right? The mother as like life force, but also as death as something terrifying, right? The womb as the tomb and the return to the earth and the burial.

And I think that there's something about that that goes well with you know you were talking about like the prophecy of the stallion who mounts the world and like unites everyone like how there is actually something kind of kind of like hmm that's a little scary huh the way that this is all phrased is it is it exciting or is she looking at Daenerys with terror so there is like kind of you know a death aspect there especially because Daenerys with terror? So there is a death aspect there, especially because Daenerys is called by the undying daughter of death. So I'm very curious what'll happen when we come back to the Moon with the World. I also just love the imagery of them telling us that the

Moon is on the surface of the water and the language here of it's shattering and reforming as her ripples washed over it. And it makes me think of Daenerys as this moon-like figure, right? She's facing a lot of challenges that theoretically could break her and maybe it does break her spirit every now and then, but she reforms every single time and comes out of it a little stronger and keeps coming out of it. But hopefully she still continues to do so. You know, we talk about the idea of the broken man and like, I don't know, she's just a girl. She's just a girl.

To be overly literal about that passage, we're told that the moon breaking open led to the birth of dragons and Daenerys here breaks the moon open in the reflection of the water and later births dragons. Yes. Wait, no, no, that does feel real. That feels very, very actually probably what is going on here as opposed to me being like, mm, simples. Well, no, that's the great thing about George's writing is that it's, you can

engage with it on like so many different levels at the same time and they're all accurate because he's a genius. Yeah. I love like the fact that repetition in his work can be analyzed, like all day long, whether it is or is not what he intended is also awesome because some of it is habitual, right? Like some of it, maybe he didn't intend it, but it's still literally habitual of his writing habits and how he writes.

Yeah. And Dani is very moon coated, right? Like seasons of my love. The verse, the winter verse. I loved a maid as white as winter with moon glow in her hair. I mean. Come on. Is that not Dani Minora?

Drogo literally calls her the moon. Yeah. Absolutely. So I suppose like the womb is, the moon is equivocated with a womb in that it's the place where dragons are birthed from in that legend. So we're talking about the same stuff. The moon, the womb, Danny, winter, the golden egg, death, life. Mother.

Yeah. She is mother. It's both. Yeah. It's giving mother and death. It is damn. Honestly, arguably maybe best character. Um, that's why I love Danny's character so much, there's just so much to analyze and to dig

into. There's, I guess, more to dig into in this part, but I'm not gonna, I'm gonna just say something dumb as she merges, dripping, and Andrea hurries to her with a robe of sand silk but Drogo waves her away. He decides, you know, we're into, we're into performance, we're into like public voyeurism shit, but we're, we're doing that, we're exhibitionists, and he looks on her swollen body with approval, his boner clearly forming beneath his trousers and medallion belt. And then Dani goes to him, she helps unlace him, and then he fucks her in

front of everyone. It's just, we're told it's three quick strokes and he's done. And I'm like, is this good? Is this like three pump chomp? And like, that's what I have for all of you today. Hey, I don't know. Some people are really into pregnant women. Like they're glowing, they're round, they're sexy. I get it.

Like they're plump. You know, he's looking at her, he's like, damn, I did that. Obviously there's proof of me doing that inside of you that everyone can see. She literally just emerged from the birthplace of mankind. So I don't know, she's pretty goddess coded at the moment. I don't blame him. Yeah. It is very like 2001, the monolith.

Actually, she's emerging like the monolith. She is though in some aspects, right? Like she's like, yeah, I mean, original sin, motherfuckers. Merges from the water. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And what he says like- We didn't dig into it, but the idea of the Womb of the World being the place where the first dude appeared riding the first horse is just so it's awesome mythologically but it's so funny as well that like just this dude rode out of a lake someday and that's how humanity began.

But I like that there's also now that you're calling it out like that that tie between a person and their steed just like Daenerys and her dragon. To the Dothraki they're one and same, one does not exist without the other. Mm. Mm. It almost too, like, it makes me think of Westerns in a way, and like the first cowboy. It's Clint Eastwood. Yeah, no, god damn it. But like the rugged like individualism and resilience that was kind of the beginning

of the forefront, like especially in the mid 1800s, right00s, it became a symbol of the American frontier and self-reliance and independence, and in a way, Dani is entering or being rebirthed here, baptized from this water, anew, and coming out anew, and she is kind of that resilience. I'm not saying she's the American amidst them, but in some ways, right? Like she's very much different from them and she is rebirthed here. It's a baptism. It is.

I think it's reborn a lot. My goodness. Yes, she does. Good for her, you know, like I'm a different person every day, just like her. I was actually just thinking about that recently. Oh, I was thinking about it positively. I was like, it's so great, like, you know, that we can always approach things with a growth mindset. I can be different, but like positive. But sometimes it is just mental illness, you know? Glyda's derogatory, Eliana, positively. Inside of you, there are

two wolves. It's Eliana and Glyus. It is you two. Yeah, absolutely. So. Yeah, and in his post-not-clarity, Drogo whispers warsely, the stallion who mounts the world. And. Not the post-not-clarity. It's the only time to make prophecies. Literally. Oh, his cum drips all over her thighs.

And, uh. God. She's allowed to dress in a robe finally. Thank god. She's like, please put some clothes on my 14 year old ass. Caholo helps her up onto her silver and they ride beneath the moon and stars. The tent over Drogo's hall is rolled up, filling the air with the scent of meat and mare's milk.

I love that because, you know, important things done under the stars. The Dothraki crowd watches Dany closely, and they're all shouting comments about her body as she rolls up on her horse, and one phrase can be heard clearly, the stallion that mounts the world. Music is filling the air as women dance and men drink, but Dany knows no bloodshed can occur here in this sacred city. Drogo takes his place on the high bench with the other Kahls and Bloodriders seated below. Dany gives her silver's reins to a slave and searches for her brother but doesn't see him. She does spot Jorah sitting at a place of respect, not quite the high table, but a place of respect. And she invites him to sit with her and sup with her. She asks where Viserys is, and Jorah explains he was looking for wine and recruiting men.

Dany's a little worried, right, about Viserys, because he has no money. So if he's out there trying to recruit men, he could get hurt. Jorah adds, don't worry, he won't get hurt. No one carries blades here. No one could possibly hurt him without a blade Nothing could go wrong. Nothing could go wrong. It's gonna be great Jogo had warned Danny however that some traders use very strong eunuchs Oh, is this Belloss foreshadowing? Yeah, is this foreshadowing? To silently strangle thieves, I think so.

Wait, that's so interesting. Yeah. He's coming. He's coming, the real stallion that mounts the world. Get hype. I am hype. I can't wait for him. I was rereading his first chapter the other day.

Dude. I was like, for Aliana's sake, hype. Belwas could eat the horse heart, no problem. Yes. For breakfast, he just showered down, no problem. He could also hold it down. He ate literal poison and was like, bitch, I'm livid. My tummy hurts.

This is another thing, you know, we're talking about the sadness of the Targaryen siblings and Daenerys is just like raised in fear. And it reminds me even of like Melisandre, right? Like Melisandre says the first thing she learned to see in the fires were threats to herself. And we see that Daenerys is out here like worrying about Viserys and betrayal because she's like, oh my god he's broke and Like what's gonna happen to and like I think it's just I don't know She's like even though he's hurt her so much. She's showing care for his safety and I also like that. She's like Jorah

What the fuck? Why didn't you go with him? It's literally your job. Like, why are you here? Like in so many ways. Why are you here? Existentially, what are you doing here? Like in all Ways of thinking of it. What the fuck is he doing and something I'm noticing like you can tell he's team Danny now like completely Like he's just like given up on Viserys given given up on the original. It makes you wonder what he's being sent, right? From Varys and Illyrio message wise. In the next chapter, he's like, "'Danny, let's go to the market

"'because we might get a letter from Illyrio.'" And he's like, "'I just got some mail about treason.'" So it makes you wonder because he also starts to kind of, like she starts to tell him like, "'Jorah, go get him, go get his ass, like make him stop acting out because he's gonna die if he doesn't.

And Jorah's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. And then Jorah like aggressively confronts him. Jorah doesn't like deescalate the situation. He escalates the situation. So it does kind of start to make you think. Crazy. What are you doing, bro? Like knocks him to the ground.

I'm like, that is not what Dani said to do. It does kinda start to make you think. It's crazy! What are you doing, bro? Yeah! Like, knocks him to the ground! I'm like, that is not what Danny said to do, and makes me think it's on purpose a little bit. Like, he's antagonizing him on purpose to escalate plans. Like, maybe he, as well as maybe Illyrio and Varys, are like, mmm, sounds like we gotta get rid of that guy earlier and sooner rather than later. I agree There's like kind of something weird there too because also why is he I?

Understand to an extent like maybe he's doing it to look out for denarius, but like he's saying oh also He tried to steal your dragon eggs. Why didn't we fucking lead with that? Why why are you only saying that now is it to save your ass for not doing your job? Are you trying to sow discord in the garden? Yeah, between the siblings. Yeah. Strange behavior. I kind of do feel that way. And I also feel like it's like proof of him being like, okay, I've chosen Dani now. Like I'm on her side in some aspects, but it does seem like he's playing with her fate for her here. Yeah. Well, Daenerys is shocked. She's like, well, why would he do that? And Jor is like, well, the eggs are worth more than jewels, and with three, Viserys could afford any army.

Last episode, we have Dany starting to absorb those lessons secondhand from Jorah, right? Not necessarily performing them and trying to, like, be queen of everything, but hearing the things he's saying and starting to absorb them this is another one right because she absorbs this lesson and we see it come back in a storm of swords when she barters because she knows dragon eggs are worth that. It's also really sad because this is the true answer right like Illyrio could have financed Viserys's war very easily. He did not give Viserys' war very easily.

He did not give Viserys the money, nor did he give him the stones, nor did he have the stones for his war. Illyrio needs them to depend upon him, right? And his ulterior motives here, he's playing them. Illyrio has been playing Viserys since day one. It's crazy when you start to think about young Griff and how young Griff is brought up, how he's cared for, how he's given lessons, how he's taught to be a leader compared to Viserys later.

Yeah. They gave him a dad, you know, Viserys never got a dad. And they gave Viserys a death wish. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. They gave him Jorah Mormont. Jesus, they sent their best.

They gave him like negative dad,ont. Jesus, they sent their best. They gave him like, negative dad, you know? Anti-dad. Yeah, pretty much. Keep that sperm inside, please, my god. Ew. Jorah's sperm, ew. That was so lucky that man never broke it. I've never thought about that.

Ugh. Anyway. Dany decides like, oh, well, I guess if Viserys wanted them, he could have asked for them. And she's like, he is my true king and my brother. She's like, I would have given it to him. She would give him anything. And I'm like, ugh.

This is so cute to me, though. Like, no, I would have done anything for him. Oh, he could have just had them. I know it is cute. It is really cute. It's really sweet. And I should have just asked. That's why it's so sad. It's a much as that is really cute and sad and all that. I, I'm also sort of led to believe that Jorah's bullshitting and that that never actually happened. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Like there's no

proof of it for Sarah's dives in a couple of minutes, so there's no way we can confirm that that happened. He doesn't even break up. So it, like, now that you've said that he might be trying to escalate tension between them, he might have made this up to, like, to force something to happen. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, especially considering, like, last chapter we end with her having tried to protect him, right? In a lot of ways, her being like, look, yeah, you need to wear these things because no one respects you. And here we are. Yeah.

Even though I do love that scene in Game of Thrones so much, the here I stand where he tries to seal the dragon eggs. It's one of my favorite scenes in the whole show. I forgot about that, actually. Ian Glenn is so good. I don't remember the show. What the fuuuuck? Well, this is just two episodes before it like ended, so. No, I'm just kidding, about almost a season before it ended, but.

Yeah. Well, that is really interesting though, that he might have made it a, like, very possible... Berry possible? Oh, oh, oh bear. More marks, you have the bears. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you. So like maybe this great betrayal that Daenerys feels she suffered never actually happened

and the actual betrayal is Jorah lying to her. That was a pretty fucking big betrayal. I mean he was lying. It was big betrayal. Honestly, yeah, I don't know. The whole thing, it's all just sad. She's like she believes As she should because children deserve to know love from their family, you know The series is her family and she's like, oh give it to him and she's grateful to him for

Introducing her to their family history and it's just devastating because he's like her protection But also her abuser He's both of those things as we see in this chapter. And then how that becomes an arc all the way up until her last chapter, where again we kind of acknowledge that there was both, right? She loves him, she fears for him in this moment, and she also fears him. And I think it's this really interesting parallel to Tyrion, Really interesting parallel to Tyrion, who's, um, and his relationship with Tywin, right? Because Tyrion's yearning for her father, his father's love and approval. Yeah.

His father is also his abuser, right? And then Tyrion's the one who kills Tywin and Daenerys does not kill Viserys, but like there's, there's a non-zero amount of, you know, complicity in it. To a lesser extent, it also describes Jamie and Cersei's relationship of being protector, lover, and abuser. Yes. The ownership over the body and over the actions, yeah. Yeah. I mean, at its core, it's just transactional relationships which, you know, come up all

over the place. Well, and the entire kind of ideology, like, of Viserys having ownership to his sister's body is something that's pretty much intrinsically passed down through the Targaryens for generations and generations of owning their sister's body. It's so ingrained that when Alissa died, was it Viserys? Was like, why aren't you marrying me, Balon? What the hell? Yep. What's going on here? Absolutely. Was it for Sarah was like, why aren't you marrying me, Bailon? What the hell?

What's going on here? Absolutely. Like something wrong with, with you brother. Why aren't you having sex with me? Like this is just the way it goes. She's next. Yeah. Very strange. That is strange behavior.

Hmm. Peculiar behavior. I'm no expert on siblings, but it seems. Friggin' rich people. Yeah, is this what siblings are like? Stop asking him that three times! I love going up to people and being like, strange thing and story. Is this what having siblings is like?

He's smarter than that now. They're not my type. Yeah. They're not your type. Jorah reminds Dani that Viserys is brother, and she is the Khaleesi, carrying the stallion who mounts the world. But Dany's like, no, no, no, he's all that I have left. She doesn't understand why people keep shouting the stallion who mounts the world at her, and Jorah's like, it's a prophecy about your son, uniting the Dothraki, conquering the world. But before they can talk further, Dorea signals Viserys' entrance.

It's so crazy to think about Dany at the beginning of a game of Thrones not necessarily understanding the prophecy versus the Dany we know at the end of Dance, right? Who's almost clinging to it. Like prophecy becomes the one thing that like, it becomes stable in her life to an extent, like these stories about the future. They're like lullabies to her. Yeah, but like, bad ones, you know, because she's like, well, yeah. Like lullaby by the cure.

Okay. The grounding she has in the Game of Thrones is for Ceres, like a real person who helped her genuinely like learn how the world works, but also was terrible. And like by the time the Dance of Dragons rolls around, she's dependent on what might amount to just like a whole bunch of hogwash that people have told her to make her feel certain ways. And that like protects her and guides her and helps her through the world. And it's also horrible. It's basically Viserys in a metaphysical manifestation. Right. At least she knew who he was in a way.

That she's dependent on these lies. Yeah. On this malicious transactional relationship with prophecy instead of her brother. Well, he was terrible. He was predictable, right? Like she understood him. She understood where he was going to be abusive. She understood when, you know, it was a monster she knew at least. Yeah, I think she's going to have a much harder time understanding Tyrion. That's a monster that she doesn't know yet.

And she's just been warned, like in the prophecies there, Quaith is like, yeah, I don't know. Everyone's-hmm. And she's just been warned. She's like in the prophecies there. Quaith is like, yeah, I don't know. Everyone's a monster. Look out. Look out. Good luck. Watch your back girl. Bye. Yeah.

Bye. I gotta go do other shit. He's out. Logging off. Girl, the tariffs. Good luck. Good luck, babe. The prophecies are kind of, I don't know, I kind of think that the

language that he uses though is fun. It really just is reminiscent of real I don't know, I kind of think that the language that he uses though is fun. It really just is reminiscent of real life, you know, religious stuff, you know, the biblical language of like, yeah, it's the herd of horses or the, you know, sounds a lot like the shepherds and flocks of men, very much messianic language. More like messianic. Oh, thank you. Everything is messy. Oh, woomst.

Oh, woomic. Oh. Thank you. Everything is messy. Oh, woomst. Oh, woomst? Fuck. Viserys shows up disheveled, right? He's wearing travel stained silks. Clearly he found the wine he was looking for. Dani sends Jorah to calm him,

but Viserys begins shouting for Dani, announcing his arrival at the feast. They describe his clothes as beggars clothes because I guess he refused as we know previously. He was like, I don't want to wear these rags. And she's like, this is like good stuff. But anyways, the imagery has him wearing like faded black clothing, like the stained red silk they describe his hair as matted silver. And I'm like, okay, so this is just telling us that this is what it means when someone has lost what it means to be a dragon.

Like they're a washed up dragon. It's a degradation of like all the Targaryens symbolism. Faded red, faded black, matted silver. It's a dynasty in ruin. That's what Viserys is. It reminds me of Thoros of Myr's faded R'hllor robes, right? And they're slightly like pink. They joke and call him the pink priest, right?

And no one takes him seriously. Yeah, exactly what's happening with Viserys here. Just like Thoros is sort of given the mission of promoting his faith in a different continent. Viserys is given the mission of maintaining his dynasty in a different continent. And like you give that duty to a seven year old boy and this is what happens to him. Cause of course it is. Viserys is given the mission of maintaining his dynasty in a different continent and like you give that duty to a seven year old boy and this is what happens to him because of course it is. Nothing is sadder than thinking about them when he was seven with her.

Like we think about all these different Valyrian characters that have had to flee and go east right like Rhaenyra I think it's very quickly lost over, right? And fire and blood, but her going to Braavos and having to sell her crown, all that comes to mind here, but seven. Seven years old, and he had to be all of that. Of course he fucking lost his shit. He had to be what? He thought he was brother, husband, and father to her. Yeah. I'd also like to point out that Viserys the second during the dance of the dragons was also seven when he was sent to Essos. Yep. And like that's George winking at me this time. Oh, right at the camera at you. Good for you.

Did he wink at you? Anyways, um, you discussed that next time. No, he didn't. Whoa. He blinked though. The double wink. The natural wink. I love the way also that Viserys enters this place. He is villain coded, but he feels like the jilted evil queen in fairy tales In fairy tales, which shows you like, you know, the provenance of like masculinity and strength and people are laughing at him.

Yeah. Ahem. Ahem. How dare you presume to eat without me? No one eats before the king. Where is she? The whore can't hide from the dragon. Wow, Bafta.

Yeah. Incredible. Thanks. Jorah goes to him quickly, whispering in his ear, trying to take him by the dragon. Jorah goes to him quickly, whispering in his ear, trying to take him by the arm. Again, a mistake. But Viserys shouts, no one touches the dragon without leave. Caldrogos says something to the cows beside him, who laugh. The sound of laughter made Viserys lift his eyes. Caldrogos! He said thickly, his voice almost polite. I'm here for the feast!

I like how you said that thickly. That is how thickly would sound. That's what thickly means, yeah. Sad. God, it's sad. Well, I'm trying to embody someone who's clearly way too drunk for a social interaction and is trying his best. And losing it bit by bit. Dang.

Jorah translates Drogo's words for Viserys. His place is at the back of the long hall, cloaked in shadow, not at the high benches. Yeah, I thought the placement of Viserys was really interesting, like that it's far in the back, hidden, and he goes, that is no place for a king basically. And it makes me think of Jon Snow at the beginning of this book. And you know, as he calls back later on, he's like, wait, look at where they sat the bastard, I like fucked up that quote, but essentially it's a, it's a similar idea, right?

Because Jon is turns out also a king. Targaryen King. Man's Raider was also at the back of that hole and he also is a king. He is a king. Oh my God. He is. Oh, he is a king. He is a king. Oh my God. He is actually. Yeah. So that's fun.

He is a king that carried. I really like the idea that the Dothraki put Jorah in this like nice place of respect. He's by the fire with like other respected warriors because he's a strong warrior who they value the strength of, whereas Viserys actually has no tangible value to the Dothraki. No. Yeah. I would also put Jorah in the back, or not even in the back.

He can just leave. Get out. Yeah, but the Dothraki don't know. They don't know yet. But I do. God. Viserys declares, that is no place for a king, and Drogo answers in the common tongue, that is place for Sorfoot King. He claps his hands together and command, they bring a cart for

Kal-Rigat. Five thousand Dothraki began to laugh and shout. The roar's so thunderous that Dany can't hear what Jorah is screaming into Viserys's ear, but the two begin to grapple and Mormont knocks him to the floor. Viserys draws his sword, fucking everything up. Viserys draws his sword, hissing at Jorah to keep away from him. We have a line here of, Dany gave a wordless cry of terror. She knew what a drawn sword meant here, even if her brother did not." And we've been seeing more and more in her chapters the way that she is really unraveling

these customs and understanding them. And she does show, you know, that she knows what the language of customs and symbols, not just the literal Dothraki language. And those are the trappings of power that we see come to the forefront of the story as it goes on. And she should, she needs to know those because some other, you know, speaking of Varys, like he's going to insist on making all these different trappings of power a part of her plot. Yeah. Yeah. And she embraces so many different tenets of so many different cultures across the story.

And, but then when she encounters Slaver's Bay and becomes in charge of some of it, she decides that one of those culture of Tenants is simply not worth abiding by, and she dismantles slavery. Yeah. I just like that you've likened it with Varys, obviously, but also a spider, right? This was a trap for Viserys in a lot of ways. There was no way he was gonna leave today, because every single chapter has been him dismissing the culture and the tenants, not learning it, and not understanding how he can change it from within.

Where Daenerys has done nothing but learn it and understand it before she makes any changes. That's a good point also, because he'd never learned it throughout all of the time that he was, they were running. Like, I mean, I don't know when he would have learned it because they were, they were like running, but at the same time, he never bothered to learn the politicking that would be necessary for him to be a leader and to gain a following. Yeah, imagine that being set up for failure, but then he actually figures it out and he works it out with the Dothraki and they become chums and he actually does invade Westeros with

Drogh- like, that could've happened. Yeah. I suppose. Yeah. Or look at like, Young Griff, right, where we see him by Dance End, that he is leading the Golden Company. He stepped up, he chose, you know, did a a did a fast one on his papa and was like, no, papa, I will lead the Golden Company and we're going into battle. Hooray. Thanks to

Tyrion's nudges, obviously, but, you know, Viserys hasn't had any of that. He's had no political nudges. He's had nothing to embrace in that. And he is stout on that. He skipped all that. It's hard because like also you have him contrasted with Daenerys, right? Daenerys didn't have any of that either, yet she learned. So, and I think that's, you know, part of why we see him as unworthy, but. I mean, he's proud. It's like what Tyrion says, how not? Yeah.

It's about him too, in the end. Well, in the beginning, I should say. Well, Daenerys actually had value to the Dothraki as Drogo's wife and vessel for child making. Yeah, true. Like, they didn't need Viserys for anything. Yeah. But he sure didn't make himself more helpful. No, he did not attempt to ingratiate himself to them. No.

Yeah. He could have at least been a fun drinking buddy, you know, speaking of Thoros. Yeah. Right. I mean, Thoros gets a pretty decent position at court just by being fun. Yeah, he's invited to all the best parties. So Viserys sees Daenerys for the first time, stalks towards her. How could you miss her? I know he's drunk, but I'm also like, she looks different. Um stalks towards her slashing his blade. She begs him to put his sword away.

It is forbidden and to come share her cushions and her drink and her food. Yeah he should eat something. Um she tells him that he can have the dragon eggs he just has to throw away the sword. He laughs and then puts the point of his sword first at her breast, and then over the curve of her belly. He says he wants what he came for. The crown that he was promised, that Drogo bought Dani, but never paid for her, and he wants what he bargained for, or he's taking her and the eggs back. He'll cut the baby out and leave it for Drogo. I just want to point out that Viserys refers to Rhaego as a bastard because he just doesn't recognize other cultural traditions even though marriage is analogous across all of these cultures.

Marriage is still marriage, but he doesn't think it's marriage because it's Dothraki. Yeah, he doesn't value them and he doesn't see the marriage as real because it was a bot and paid for transaction. Yeah, that's a savage warlord, like that's not actually a guy that a princess should marry, this doesn't count. Not legitimate. Yeah. Which is fascinating cause he's got like a bazillion people, like if that's not a, if

that's not a king, I don't know what is. Like that baby has more legitimacy than he does. Real. Damn. W? Damn. Wrecked. It's a good issue. Got you. Viserys was weeping, she saw, weeping and laughing, both at the same time, this man

who had once been her brother. Distantly, as from far away, Dany heard her handmaid Xiqui sobbing in fear, pleading that she dared not translate that the cow would bind her and drag her behind his horse all the way up the Mother of Mountains. She put her arm around the girl. Don't be afraid. I shall tell it. She did not know if she had enough words yet. When she was done, Cal Drogo spoke a few brusque sentences in Dothraki,

and she knew he understood. The son of her life stepped down from the high bench. What? What did he say? The man who had been her brother asked her, flinching. It had grown so silent in the hall, she could hear the bells in Kaldrogos' hair, chiming softly with each step he took. His blood riders followed him like three copper shadows. Daenerys had gone cold all over. He says you shall have a splendid golden crown that men shall tremble to behold.

Viserys smiled and lowered his sword. That was the saddest thing, the thing that tore at her afterward. The way he smiled. That was all I wanted? What was promised? When the son of her life reached her, Dany slid an arm around his waist. The cow said a word and his blood riders leapt forward. Kotho seized the man who had been her brother by the arms. Haggo shattered his wrist with a single sharp twist of his huge hands. Koholo

pulled the sword from his limp fingers. Even now, Viserys did not understand. No! You cannot touch me! I am the dragon! the dragon! And I will be crowned!" Cal Drogo unfastened his belt. The medallions were pure gold, massive and ornate, each one as large as a man's hand. He shouted a command. Cook's slaves pulled a heavy iron stew pot from the fire pit, dumped the stew onto the ground and returned the pot to the flames. Drogo tossed in the bell and watched without expression as the medallions turned red and began to lose their shape.

She could see fires dancing in the onyx of his eyes. A slave handed him a pair of thick horsehair mittens and he pulled them on. Never so much as looking at the man. Viserys began to scream the high, wordless scream of a coward facing death. He kicked and twisted, whimpered like a dog, wept like a child, but the Dothraki held him tight between them. Ser Jorah had made his way to Dany's side. He put a hand on her shoulder.

Turn away my princess, I beg you. No. She folded her arms across the swell of her belly, protectively. At the last, Viserys looked at her. Sister, please! Dany, tell them! Make them sweet sister! When the gold was half melted and starting to run, Drogo reached into the flames, snatched out the pot. Crown! Here, a crown for Khart's king! And up ended the pot over the head of the man who had been her brother.

The sound Viserys Targaryen made when that hideous iron helmet covered his face was like nothing human. His feet hammered with frantic beat against the dirt floor, slowed, stopped. Thick globs of molten gold dripped down onto his chest, setting the scarlet silk to smoldering, yet no drop of blood was spilled. He was no dragon, Danny thought, curiously calm. Fire cannot kill a dragon. dragon. Wow. Bafta. Yeah. Egot.

I think Harry Lloyd would be so proud of you. Yeah. Thank you. You put your whole Vsussie. Vsussie! Wow. Yes. You did.

I hate that. Love it. It's giving Vsussie. It's giving. It's giving. Girl, the Vsussi. It's better than if I had said like Clydussi or something, right? No, mm-mm. It's giving.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Girl's gone cussie. This is what it means to become a girl gone cannon. You said yes to this. Yes. Crazy ass. It's a binding agreement.

Yeah, a contract. Basically. A social contract basically. It's like what we owe to each other by Scanlan, but like bigger, better. So many thoughts rushed through my head through all of that, then they immediately fled my head. It's just such beautiful writing. It is emotional.

Yeah. It's just such beautiful writing. It is emotional. Yeah. It's very devastating. Like it is terribly sad, right? The way that they set this scene, and you see, it actually reminds me a little bit of Nedkilling Lady. Another terrible moment in that. Yeah, because he just does whimper like a dog, and he's this helpless, useless creature who didn't have to die.

Right, because you could just, I don't know, like you could just de-sword him and go put him in a corner. But I do think there's like that disengaging moment. And you see throughout this how George writes of Dany disengaging from Viserys. He's no longer her brother. It starts, this man who had once been her brother. When Drogo stands and they melt the medallions and he stands up, she puts her arm around his waist signaling that she has made her choice, right? So throughout this you have that percussive beat of he's no longer her brother. He was once her brother. That was the thing that tore at her afterwards. Like it's written in post in a lot of way.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's very traumatic and like the sense of time is a little trippy. I really like that. It's quite uncommon for this series for George to like twist the time perspective of the narrative. Yeah. At the end of the narrative. Yeah. At the end of the chapter specifically, right?

Because he loves doing that at the front of the chapter. Like how many Ned chapters is like glossing over this traumatic thing Ned had to do yesterday or 20 years ago. But here it's the end of the chapter. And I think that also is very different. Yeah. It's like Dani is telling you that this happened like 10 years ago. She was a whole different girl when this happened and before it happened and who

she is after. She's been baptized like 80 times since this. In this single chapter, she's baptized 14 times. 24. Even like the action now that I think about it when you're talking about baptism of pouring gold on someone's head, like pouring a liquid on someone's head, that's also kind of baptismal, but he does not come out of it reborn, just dead. Yeah, really fucked up Midas. He will not be accepted into the gates of heaven, yeah. Yeah. That's for

fucking sure. Sorry about your son. I know, right. And this is what Jorah was kind of pushing her towards, right? Saying like, that's not your only family. You were talking about how she embraces Khal Drogo and like, she's like, this is my family. Yeah. As, as he pours the pot, I love that they have that detail of Khal Drogo putting on like the oven mitts. I'm like, wow.

It's so funny. Cooking with Drogo. Yeah. Let him cook. That's what I prepared earlier. Instead of the rock, like what is a Drogo cooking? Mm, death. And-

Although I, I, do I have to be a pedantic asshole and ask about the melting point of gold and if like a regular cooking pot can achieve that? I think that you should, cause I do not know, but Wasn't there a great Reddit post on this? Like a long time ago, probably. I feel like in Rasswath. I'm not the first person to ask about this. Yeah.

And like a Simpsons did it like, but Reddit analyzed it kind of way. Over 1000 degrees Celsius is the boiling point. For gold? Yep. What does that mean? What Celsius? Glytus? It's around...

Celsius is... If you look inside yourself, you'll actually find it. It's around 2000 degrees Fahrenheit. Jesus! Okay. So like Philly in a couple months, okay. Yeah. I feel...

LA all the time. It's not that hot, especially at night. It's actually like beautiful a lot of the time. I don't know. I mean... Yeah. Okay. Old Nazcoast. And I don't know, I'm trying to think of like how hot a wok-

Yeah, I don't think a regular cooking pot can get that hot. I really don't think so. Even like a thick one? Cause I'm like trying to think of like a wok right now and how hot a wok can get. And they get pretty fucking, they get pretty hot, but I don't know. Probably not. You're right. I'm going to go ahead and chalk it up to fantasy.

It depends on what the fire is made of, I guess. I'm pretty sure that a campfire, like a wood-ass fire, a stone and tinder fire, it could get that hot, but it probably isn't. Yeah. Yeah, like they need an oven to like- And it would take a lot longer than the scene described for medallions to melt. But again, who cares? Are you implying he has wildfire? I'm just kidding.

Ooh. Wow, Drogo used wildfire. Wow. Yeah. Well, you know, I think you're right. Cause like what it is kind of an open cooking fire. Like you'd need like a kiln to like kind of hold it all in or some shit. Yeah, that would definitely get hot enough.

I'm guessing it has like an iron and iron frame. Yeah. Well, I guess this is one of those things that's basically like, you know, Tyrion doing somersaults. It's not. This is a fantasy story. But who cares? That's true.

Like, they're dragons. Am I really going to be a bitch about the melting point of gold? I mean. It's a fantastical walk. Yeah. And I mean. Drogo's magic walk. That's a story I would read.

Oh yeah. A kid's book. Actually, no, that sounds so cute. Drogo and the magic walk. Well, he's got and the Magic Walk. Drogo can melt anything in this. He must have a source for all these things. In an alternate universe, there is that book and he reads that aloud to Rago. He's reading Drogo's magic book. Aww.

Of all of his feats, he's like, here's where I chop this person's head off, little guy. Here's where I killed your uncle. Think Drogo would read to his son? Is Drogo illiterate? I don't think so. I don't know. Like, why would he be? Yeah.

I don't know. Do the Dothraki have a written language? That's another question. Yeah. Do they value that? That's a great question. I don't know if they have one. It's got to be like only a few years till the Doshkaleen come up with the printing press, right?

They do not have a writing system. Yeah, so probably not. Danny's gonna bring that to them. He seems monolingual, yeah. Good Queen Danny. I think Drogo would've learned to read- And that's straight from DJP's blog, so yeah, no. I think Drogo would've learned to read for her, like probably in common tongue or something,

right? But I think he would've done it. That's so sweet. Too bad he died. Yeah. So sad. It actually is. What's also sad, I guess, is the way that Viserys is about to die, right? Like, we have it introduced of him being like weeping and laughing, and it makes me think of Tyrion's dream again, like, a little bit after he kills his dad,

and he's wrestling with his own guilt of like, hmm, I feel complicated things about like my family and we have this line here of his father led the enemy so he slew him once again. Then he killed his brother Jamie, hacking at his face until it was a red ruin, laughing every time he struck a blow. Only when the fight was finished did he realize that his second head was weeping? Mm-hmm. I just love that contrast of emotions. Yeah. And this one's like this visceris, but I don't know. There's something like, it's just emotional.

And then it also even makes me think of like Sansa, right? Like her elation, but also weeping as Joffrey dies. And she's like, why the fuck am I crying when Joffrey's dying? Yeah, yeah. There's something really powerful about that. And also speaking of the chapters that come before this one, we have the dialogue that happens between this chapter and Eddard's right before it when Daenerys, again, as you're saying, shifts to thinking about her as the man who had been her brother, because now

he's threatened her son, her new family, her direct child of like, and I think of Ned's giving Cersei the chance for her and her children to survive. And he realizes, wait, what happened here with my son Bran? And to her credit, Cersei did not look away. He saw us. You love your children, do you not? Robert had asked him the very same question the morning of the melee. He gave her the same answer with all my heart. And Cersei goes, no less do I love mine. And it shows like that same idea of, you know, the things I do for love. And here it's about the children, right?

Like the sacrifices that each of them are willing to make for their children. And even like, there's a parallel of Circe feeling like she has to protect her kids from Tyrion, her brother, right? And then also, then you have Ned giving up his honor and his life for protecting his children, and you really see the length someone will go to. Like what, who won't you kill, even if it's yourself, to protect your kids? I feel like that's so that really comes through in this one and there's something to also be thought of like the choosing of one's own family versus not when it comes to harm etc and like I think we could dig into that another time as well like especially with like Sam's Sam's story and because I don't know, yeah he's her abuser but it makes sense for her to

mourn him as well and I know people didn't understand that about Sam in this show. They're like, I don't understand, his dad was so mean to him, like why is he sad? I'm like, just because your father who is your abuser or someone that you loved and who instilled all these complex emotions in you, that doesn't mean you're not going to be sad and you're not going to warn them when they die. Because that was a conversation that I had with a friend of ours back then during that time of how we would feel. And then you have also Daenerys. This is an execution, right? Coming back to that first Bran chapter and again that storyline, Daenerys doesn't look away when her brother dies.

Looking at Bran too, it makes me think of Catelyn, right? With Bran in the tower, and protecting him and you have that like language, especially because you brought up mercy last chapter, right? In that the cat's paw says, it's a mercy, he's dead already. Like Viserys, right? Stop, stop, he's dead already. Oh my god. Well, Viserys is also though. All jokes aside, he is dead already. Yeah, he's a ghost by the time he shows up. And then there's this great line in that chapter of a terrible dream of blood and grief, but she had the pain in her hands to remind her it was real. She felt weak and lightheaded yet strangely resolute as if a great weight had been lifted from her

about the assassin and Bran and etc. And there's something in that, right? Like Dani like standing with her new family protecting her child herself, Drogo, having something to live for. And Catalin looks very much at her children like that, right? And for Dani, this child has given her a future in many ways. It gave her a place of status. It gave her a place of respect in the Dothraki here in the Kallasar. And in some some ways it's giving her a prophecy of the future, right? Giving her even more importance. And I don't know, interesting that there's the child of prophecy, but also she is the child of prophecy in many ways, and that exchange of death for life coming up. But the cost of this new life, this new future, this new, like, prospect for her of actually something she can do with

herself is the old life, her old future. So she had to cash that in to, like, this chapter is, like, so, such a fundamental change to Daenerys because she loses everything that she had, like, Viserys was all she had for a very long time, and now she has a new everything she has in Drogo. It's another reset. Yeah. And another putting all this stock. Viserys was already dead, he was already done for, he's described basically as the Ghost of Targaryen.

Yeah. When he walks into the face. Right, with his face and his, yeah. His gaunt face. Has anyone ever been so gaunt? So it's like a formality of when Drogo kills him. Maybe that's why it's so detached for Daenerys. He's like, it already happened.

He's already dead. Yeah, it's like a pre grieving, right? A lot of people pre grieve death when you've been taking care of somebody for so long. Oh, yeah. No, I'm being serious. I thought you were channeling Roman Roy, sorry. No, I was gonna talk about, you know, like death, like illness that is like, you know,

like, you know that somebody's going to die because they've had stage four cancer and you've watched them suffer their entire life. And it's- It is really funny when Roman Roy says it. It is, yeah. I understand what you mean. No, I meant the real aspect of it. But imagine watching people terminal illness my whole life.

But crazy, it is real, though. So I don't know what you meant by that. It was real for me. Succession. Oh, yes, true. We also pre-grieved, you know, that. Yeah. Succession. My God. I actually am about to watch it for the first time since its ending. I'm so hyped. Oh really?

Yeah, because I like- I'm gonna rewatch it too. I've just decided it's too good to pass out. Oh my god, you guys can turn a musical about it. I was actually, and don't tell anyone this even though I'm saying it on a podcast, I was considering making a big honkin video about succession because I loved it so much and I thought it'd be fun to do that. I have all the script books. So if you need anything, hit me up.

Yeah. I thought you were going to say you were making a musical about it. I'm in. So, um, we are officially Eliana. Uh, if you wanted on this, I'm gonna put our... I'll get around to it after I'm done with my Kha's trilogy retrospective. That's fair. That's fair.

Hmm. Lots to unpack. Yeah, there's just what? You know, last chapter when Dany hits Viserys with the medallion belt that she got from him? Oh, interesting. Well, last chapter when Dani hits Viserys with the medallion belt that she got from him. Oh, interesting. Yeah, and then Drogo's bigger dick medallion belt that he melts. Wow.

Well, like, it seems like it's much bigger, but I don't know, maybe it's perspective. But he melts that down for the crown and it does make me think of that. It's the way you use it. Yeah. It's the motion of the ocean of the belt. Yeah, not the size of the boat. Oh my god. Of the medallions.

And the way Drogo has chosen to use it is as a murder weapon. Yeah, Dan offered it as a protection to him last chapter and he rejected it. And now Drogo is using it as a weapon. I find that fascinating. Yeah, the things that he rejected coming from, cause like she also, she uses it as a protective, you know, self-defense as a win, right? A bit, yeah. Great recurring of the objects. Thinking about Cart King, it kind of makes me feel like it's like a twisted version of the Gordian Knot. So the ancient Greek legend for Alexander the Great in Gordium, Phrygia, where a complex knot tied to an ox cart was believed to predict whoever untied it would rule famously just like cuts it with his sword and it's seen as a super bold act that became a metaphor for solving really difficult things with

decisive unconventional solutions. So there are different versions of how he solves the knot, with some accounts suggesting he removes the linchpin and expose the ends of the cord, making it easier to untie. But either way he goes on to conquer Asia, fulfilling the prophecy. And so you have all these like, similar ideas of new dynasties, divine will, power, and mythology and history coming together, but also the cart itself. And it was said that the person that rode in the cart would be king, basically. Which obviously then Alexander was like, no, no, no, no no no, undoing the knot, I can do that, I'm gonna be king of everything and conquer the shit out of shit. So there's

something kind of like dark and twisted in that, and that Viserys did not use his sword to slash that knot, and instead he died. Poor cart king. But that cart said that he was gonna be king and he's not. Sag. Many such fucking places and times and things. Rip. So do you think he's an Ares, a Leo, or a Sag? Actually speaking of that. If all Targaryens, probably a, I don't know, he kind of could be Gemini-esque too.

I don't know, I just feel like if they all have to be a head of the dragon, then which fire sign is he? Hmm. Well, he's not a Leo, I know that, cause he would wear better clothes. He's not an Ares, I know that, because he'd be better. So he's gotta be a Sagittarius. Sorry Sagittariuses. I think we can settle on Sag.

I just like feel like Sagges are more- are nicer than that. I don't know. They seem like nicer. I don't I guess I don't know enough. Huh? I come from a Sagittarius Leo family. So huh? What's your sign, GLaDOS? Oh, can't you tell?

You don't have to tell us. No. It's clear as day. It's obvious. I'm the most Aquarian there's ever been. Oh, I could see that. Okay. Okay.

Do you know your moon? I'm just curious. Taurus. Oh, okay. I know a lot of Taurus moons, actually. This makes some sense. So I'm a stubborn, aloof one. Yeah, I could see that.

I won't tell you what I'm thinking, but I'll be stubborn about not telling you. And I'm thinking really hard. But what would you tell us what you're thinking? But also like, Taurus's are very like, they're practical and grounded. Like I don't know, I don't think that you're that stubborn. Like you're also practical and grounded. You do seem that. That's true.

But also the Aquarian shit is so like creative and whoopie doopie and all over the place. It is a visionary, but also... Yeah. Because you have the two opposite elements thing going on too. Interesting. Yeah. Wow, learning so much. Aquarius, Taurus.

Who'd thought it was possible? But it's true, it's real. You. You thought. You would have's real. You thought. You would have thought this. You dared. You dared to be this. Um, Glyas, what, what are some of your, you know, final thoughts about the

chapter and about Viserys? Can you, can you eulogize Viserys for us? Maybe? Here lies the golden cased head of Viserys Targaryen. He was not a good person, but he was going through a lot, guys. He was. He was just a kid, man. How old was he actually?

He was seven when they left and that was 283 and it's 15 years later. He's like 22, right? Yeah. They give his age in, um, in the un in the first version of it that is in Jen Snow covers this. Hold on. It's 22. Wow. It's like, he's like, he should have been in the club. They didn't give his age in the published version, but they did.

He was trying to be in the club. Actually. He was at the market getting wine and trying to meet new cool friends. And then they killed him. He just wanted to be in the club actually he was at the market getting wine and trying to meet new cool friends And then they killed him. He just wanted to go to the club They should have left him at the club Yeah he should have just partied in based off rack for the rest of his life and Like died of a ketamine overdose 12 years later. I don't know. It's

Interesting because like well, I guess the party would have left after a while, right? Like it's not a city that's on all the time. But I also think it's interesting that you said Ketamine because it is a horse tranquilizer. It's right, it's a horse tranquilizer. Yeah. Yeah.

I was just getting, that's what I was trying not to say. I was like, oh, a horse tranquilizer. Yeah. I was like, is this an intentional thing that you have said? Oh no, I was just speaking from experience. Um, so maybe once Veist off the rack wraps up, he can like go to, Oh, I don't know. Where's the party always on? The K-hole. Yeah. Um, where is it always on? Um, Braavos is always lit.

Braavos is always pumping. Yeah. Lease kind of seems lit as hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He would live it up there. Yeah. Actually, I get the impression Viserys would not like being around all those Valyrian looking people because he thinks he's better than everyone else because

he's Valyrian and they're not. So I feel like his superiority complex, which holds him up would crumble if he was hanging out in lease, you know, you know, you know That's a really interesting analysis. Yeah. I have bad news that like I don't think he'd do well anywhere No, I think he's just sort of well, he'd do great on the Iron Throne after defeating the usurper and his dogs I think he would have been a great king Do you want to expand that part? Yeah, I can't tell if you're being serious or not that I want to know. No, it's not a real thought.

I know. No, I do not want to expand on that. Got it. But you look at young Griff and you look at Viserys and you think if you had given that kid the same opportunities, maybe he could have been just as okay. Yeah. I mean, young Griff is an arrogant prick still, but he seems a lot more competent than Viserys. A lot more like actually capable of doing anything.

And like he's only that mediocre after having all of that extra training and that extra effort. So like, to your point, like had Viserys had any effort put into it, had he not been struggling on the run, taking care of his baby sister, trying to keep them fed, trying to keep them safe on the streets? Like, I do think that is something to look at. And it gets to that very heart of the story, what we're looking at, right? You look at Tyrion, you look at Dany, you look at Cersei, you look at the Stark children and like nature versus nurture

and who had love and care and affection in their life and who was given an education and what did they do with it. Yeah. Viserys wasn't given a lot in the end and he did have to make do with what he had and it is sad. As a kid he was promised that he would have like everything, everything, the world at his fingertips and then it was all taken from him when he was seven. And he had like such an enormous weight on him from that age until the day

he died. It's unfathomable. Like what Dani thinks, right, that she watches him a couple chapters ago, and he was fighting in his mind fighting on the Trident, he always was like just like watching the ghost and trying to fix Rhaegar's mistakes and bring it all back. And that is a lot to put on a child like that he's probably been doing that since he was seven. The last 15 years he's been dreaming that yes. Yeah, he's just been dissociating this whole time in that fantasy and also like, I mean, we talk about prophecy in Daenerys' storyline, essentially what Viserys was given was a prophecy with no means to fulfill it. It's just when is it going to happen? When is it going to happen? And never equipped

and told like the how, right? At least young Griff was given like, as you were saying, direction. Like Viserys is given a responsibility in his younger sister and then a responsibility in like, you have to do your family proud. Well, how do you fucking do that? When they're all gone. When they're all gone, no one will take you in. You're literally out on the streets. What now? I wouldn't be surprised if he was a dreamer too. Oh, that would make things so much more tragic. Yeah. I mean, I think most of them have a connection to it in some aspects that maybe is just unrealized, right?

But I do think he probably has dreams. I mean, he's constantly dissociating and just staring off in the distance. And it's like, there's probably a lot going on in there. Okay. I'm going to spitball some fan fiction here. What if he saw parts of Daenerys' future, but was unable to discern It's like, there's probably a lot going on in there. Okay. I'm going to spit ball some fan fiction here. What if he saw parts of Daenerys' future, but was unable to discern that it was Daenerys and he thought that that was him. Like he thought that he was the guy, but it's not you, babe.

Mm-hmm. No, no, no, no. Like what, that happened to Rhaegar. It happened to other Viserys. Precisely that happened to, yeah, the other Viserys that happened to Rhaegar. It's happening about Rhaego right now. Yeah. Exactly.

All of these people, Daemon in House of the Dragon, they're all having this dream about some glorious dragon monarch. And it's not Daemon, it's not Rhaegar, it's not Viserys, it's not the other Viserys, it's Daenerys. It always has been and always will be. She's the queen, whoever was. Sorry, everyone. Paul and Leto too, too. Wow. Got it. Yeah. Actually, yeah.

Lock the fuck in everyone. It's not you, it's Daenerys. Yeah. Yeah. We never looked for a princess. Yeah. I guess it's kind of sad that that was his role. He did have a role in the prophecy. You know, it was keep her alive. And he did it. He did it. Did he do it well? No. And he did it. He did it. He did. Did he do it well? No, but he did it.

And I mean, Well, alive is a binary function. She is alive. That's true. You can't be more alive than alive. So, yeah. Yeah. And now that he died, she can live in some aspects where she couldn't before. She was kind of living a half-life for him.

Now she has to carry his legacy as well forward. But like, you know, there's ways of thinking that his death was necessary for the continuation of her quest. Some crazy people theorize that Viserys' death was necessary for the birth of at least one of the dragons. GLaDOS. I mean, maybe him or who knows? I don't even know.

It's all weird magic shit. I actually heard this one YouTuber once discuss that the three deaths tied to the eggs over time and become the blood sacrifice that are binded and bonded to the eggs. And then when she births them from those three deaths, basically, it's like this whole theory, this one YouTube where I listened to did once. It sounds like it's just like Evangelion. Yeah, it's just like Evangelion. Okay.

But it actually wasn't that actually was Evangelion, but yeah. Actually, now that you've laid that theory out to me again, like in the abstract, it sounds sort of fire and I should, I should get back to it. Yeah. Build that shit out. Remake it. Cause like my next step of that was to look at Blood Magic as it pertained to Beric and see what I could find there.

Um, but like I was so young and new to all of this when I started that, that I had no real direction. And then by the time I figured out what I was doing, I was like, ah, I'm going to go do something else instead, because I don't want to salvage that. But I probably should at some point. I totally feel that. We know this feeling. I know this one girl who's writing a five part Ashara Dane series and wrote two parts of that shit and said goodbye!

Oh yeah, I remember that series. That's right. Yeah. Fuck. I have part three kind of written actually, but I just don't know that I'll ever post it. She started it when she was young, and she's still young. She's ten years old. Of the ways of war. Not all of us can finish our fucking modus operandi's, okay? Look at who you're talking to. Magnum Opus, fucking Eliana.

How many series finales do I have on pause right now? Well, I will say- Oh wait, we have a bunch of other series that we started, didn't we, you and I? And we'll do it. Yeah, we're gonna finish all of them. the hunger games that'll still be coming catching fire Yeah, actually no high school musical episode. It's coming. Yeah, it is That actually really could within the next 365 days buckle up. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean we said one year

Okay, it's gonna happen then it's I mean, we said one year, so I'm just kidding. OK, it's going to happen then. It's a prophecy. Ice and fire until we die. I hear the thundering of hooves and they're they're Troy and Gabriella. It's because you have your head in the game. There's something to be said here about House Bolton and Troy Bolton.

There's something there's a connection here somewhere. We're going to get it. You think he's a skin changing vampire? Wow. I mean, I do not think that. How not? I'm going to focus on equivocating Sharpay and Daenerys. I think that there's something there.

Okay. There's something there. Sharpay deserved better. Exactly. I agree. I absolutely agree with that. Exactly. I agree. I absolutely agree with that. That's gonna be at least an hour of the video, so rendering this is gonna be a bitch.

So, with all that, Glydas, thank you so much for joining us. I had fun. I'm sick of both of you, but yet at the same time, I would love to do this for another several hours. Glytus, tell everyone where they can find you on the internet if they're not already subscribed to you. You can find me, like sometimes I hide in the bushes, sometimes I'm in your walls, but most of the time I am on youtube.com slash gliders or however YouTube URLs work. And you know, I've got a Patreon and Nebula is discussed at the head of the podcast. Thanks.

But you were such a good salesperson by the way, at the start, that was crazy. Um, what else do I do? Um, I suppose I'm in, I'm in the band and we make music sometimes with the wrong instruments and that's fun. What else do we do? Yeah. Oh, and I have my own music, the Beggar King, which really, which should have come up earlier, I think, honestly. Yeah.

Don't know what we were doing. Do you want to play us something? Um, like right now. I'm sorry. That was, yeah, you don't have to, that was a lot of pressure. That was a lot of pressure. You've already performed enough. You've performed for two and a half hours with us. Thank you. It's okay

We'll link that Yeah, link that i'm excited to listen to that. I liked I like your yeah I had an ap come out last year. Oh my gosh. Okay. Oh, yeah, listen to it yet. Sorry. It's up on my channel Okay, i'll check it out. Yeah, there's really no excuse aliana There's really no excuse for me for a lot of things, that's so true. Dude, that's for fucking real. Dodging wildfires. Oh my god, we will link all of this below for you to follow Glidus.

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New Girl Gone Cannon unlocked. Unleashed. Unleashed. Wait, hold on. Oh my god. Before you leave, I have a question. New type of girl unlocked, men. Oh my god.

Yes, actually. Wait. Okay, so the Dothraki are like, as you know, big horse culture. Where does Tyrak fit into all of this? He's their god. Okay, sorry. They don't know it. They don't know it, but he's their god.

But separate from a stallion or? Well, yeah, but being both horse and boy, he is, he like bridges the world like the avatar yes i see it i see it i understand this okay amazing beautiful thank you okay no worries i've been trying to figure this out all uh all episode um wow thanks everyone all right goodbye i gotta go i've got more goo on