Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 252 — ACOK Daenerys I

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Being a single mom isn't easy, Daenerys finds out as she tries to make ends meet for her three dragon children and hundred other adopted members of the khalasar. ---- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone. Canon Reads A Song of Ice and Fire, episode 252. Daenerys won in a song of ice and fire episode 252 denarius one in a clash of kings i am one of your hosts chloe and i am another one of your hosts eliana here we are with our lord and savior denarius i mean it's very it's such a biblical it is a very biblical chapter, which there's lots to discuss about. Yeah, don't crucify Eliana for that one, they might say. It's not me, George literally wrote it to be like that, so I don't know what she'll want me to do. And much like Grey Alice, her ancestor stood in the red waste before her. Daenerys stands here now.

Of course I mean writing ancestor, sorry, sorry, I'm just making jokes. Kinda. I'm just doing goof-em-ups. It's a righteous gemstone-ism that feels like a Dany McBride-ism. I finished! I forgot, that's another thing that I caught up on finally. Now you are free on that as well. I've been freed, I've been freed. Eliana's been catching up on shows. She still hasn't fucking finished Andor though!

I have people chained to me for that, and we were actually gonna do it last night, but then waited too long but anyways so that's May 27th. That's what Chloe and my relationship is like. Anyways, yes we're gonna jump into Daenerys in the red waist in a clash of kings Daenerys 1 but first housekeeping before we get to all of the fun that waits within, like have you checked out the episode that should be dropping to your Patreon at any moment? Any moment? It's going to get there for May 2025 on In the Lost Lands, the movie, because we already covered the story, which you have already listened to and also read yourself, obviously as as a devoted Girls Gone Cannon, George R., Martin Cannon listener. But if you haven't, it's out for public. It's on our Patreon for public. It's on our pod bean for public. You can go listen to it, then watch In the Lost Lands, which

I've watched. I know you're about to, right? You're not there yet. Yeah. I'm about to. If you haven't seen PWSA like ever, have you watched Resident Evil? Have you? Yeah! I fucking love Resident Evil. Good. Yeah, if you're into that, you're gonna love this. If you're not into that, it's Camp Baby, so you should watch anyway. Yeah, if you're not into that, I'm sorry there's no accounting for taste. Sorry, there's no accounting for taste. So that's all I have to say. It's like George Miller had a love baby with himself and like, I don't know.

I have to think about it. But something. It's really good. It's really good. I gave it probably like a three. It wasn't like something I gave a high rating on my letter box. On my letter box. You can find that at Chloe underscore underscore.

A little different, I know, but I still like it. What do you give the other Resident Evil movies? Like, is that the similar score to what you give to those? Cause I- in my world, that is not a letterboxed. I give those a five. Oh, no, I respect that. I do respect that. Like, I'm tied to them more emotionally from from my very good friend Dylan, who you know, my very very good friend.

He loves those films, he loves those games. I grew up watching the films and games in his bed, laying in his waterbed while he was on his computer. Oh wait, Dylan had a waterbed! Yeah dude, Dylan had a waterbed. Isn't that crazy? Doesn't that just contextualize a person for you? Yeah, so I grew up loving them via him and because I know he loves them. I don't know if I love them, but I'm fond of them for that manner.

So they're definitely a certain filigree of like movie, you know? Like he- P.W.S.A. definitely is somebody that you have to take with a grain of salt and like thankfully he has the hottest wife in the world and his movies are just a way for you to watch his very hot wife, which I also really respect. Like, wife guy, PWSA. Um, I like all Paul Andersons is what I'm trying to tell you. PTA, PWSASA, really respect both of those wife guys.

Yeah, very excited about this. And plus, I don't know, it's kind of fun because like, I feel Dave Bautista would be a really good fit too for the movie. So, jazzed. Yeah, it's very fun. Um, I had to get past my book reader lens for it. I had to really push myself out. I was like, none of these words are in. I remember you said that before and I was like, I can see that that is going to be the case, but we're here for the ride. It's a short story. Remember that a novella, like it's not, this is an expanded version of the story and you just have to love that.

Sometimes it's also easier when like things are just such different versions of the story as opposed to like, you know, what we got with, it's really easier when things are just such different versions of the story as opposed to what we got with... It's really hard reading George's adaptation of Game of Thrones. Stop. Get out of here. We've gone too far with that one. Sometimes I think that I'm like, have we gone too far? But I guess we can't turn back now.

We've never... If I look back, I am lost. I soft-pod that in for you. Thank you, thank you. Where can they listen to this and what do they have to do to listen to this episode? That's gonna be so great. Well, if you want to hear, though,

us talk even more in depth about probably Resident Evil as well as In the Lost Lands and PWS Anderson and Mila Jovovich and Dave Bautista and George. Also, ow ow. He doesn't get a last name, George. The man. You can on our Patreon, patreon.com slash girls gone canon. Other things that are coming out there that are very exciting.

Listen you guys, I know that we'd love to start projects and just, you know, let them kind of go wherever the wind takes them. And this one, this one's heating up. That's right. We are coming back to the table to explore Suzanne Collins's The Hunger Games with you, back with Catching Fire, the second book in the trilogy, by that same Suzanne. And this is gonna be so special. We're gonna break this up into parts, just like we did with The Hunger Games.

Will it be three parts? Will it be four parts? You have to stay tuned for that. That's not something we just give away, the family recipe. That's something you're gonna find out as you go. It's something we're gonna find out as we go. Don't tell them! I guess tell them. But something else I'm gonna tell you, also equally exciting as that, is maybe more exciting I should say, our very good friend is joining us for part one. That I can tell you with a certainty.

They've been here before. You've heard them on episodes before in A Song of Ice and Fire. And actually in the hit critically acclaimed podcast series Unleash the D, the hit Hot D Primer series. Oh yeah, that too. Yeah. Uh, yeah, that too. She was there. Well, I was thinking, like, because you have another hit critically acclaimed series, spin-off, spin-off series together around- That's true. Euphoria. Around, yes. Which may also be coming back, who knows?

Uh, someday. And other small spin-off series as well on Righteous Gemstones. Yeah, you've heard her voice. With us a lot. It's fucking Ara. series as well on righteous gemstones. Yeah, you've heard her voice. With us a lot. It's fucking Ara. It's I eat Zebra. It's Ara, critically acclaimed Ara, in my opinion.

She is a beast. I love her very much. She is going to come on and talk about Catching Fire Part One. She's going to be here for the Victor's Tour. It's going to be an amazing episode. That's coming to you sometime in June. Patreon.com Girl Scone Cannon. And you want to sign up for the Stranger Tier or above to get bonus

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to be at her full power because I really want Ara here at her. Well, no, no, no. I just want Ara to be here at her full power. You were going to wait for me, you know, because that's what love is like. And I also love Ara, but in a different way. Yeah. We might have to bring back our discussions for this. We'll see. Oh yeah, we actually probably will.

That's interesting. Who knew? We gotta think of a fun word for it. Uh, um, final tribute. Uh, no, I'll think about it. No, final tribute. Something quell. I don't know.

We've got a, we're going to workshop whatever we call our spoilers section of the episode. Wow. Now and not just heavily veiled illusions to spoilers. Now real spoilers. I can't believe it. The extended Hunger Games universe. It actually is starting to become that, huh? Yeah.

If you'd like to pledge to be a tribute, you can join the Thunder Tier and above, the $10 tier and above, who are entered into Hunger Games to be at brunch slash happy hour every month. And by that I mean, come hang out at our brunch slash happy hour where you will not be killed. You will not die unless it's a fun. A fun. Uh, no, all seriousness, we will be having brunch slash happy hour on the 29th of June 2025. Come hang out. It's always a fun time.

Everybody just chitchats. There are activities sometimes. We might do an activity this month. I have an idea or three. So get ready. Sometimes I bake. Actually, I've been baking a lot during brunch. Come bake with us.

Which is kind of like apt in some ways. Someone's got to make the bread. Yeah. And someone's got to Which is kind of like apt in some ways. Yeah, someone's gotta make the bread. Yeah. And someone's gotta eat it. That's why I'm there. I also eat it. Um. This is so Red Hunnivus.

I made lemon rolls last time. I would eat 10. We did get some emails and tweets of note. We have a couple that we're going to bring up next week. We want to be able to jump into this episode, but we did get a funny comment. Aliana, tell us about this one. Yeah, I just, you know, sort this off on a little fun note as we enter A Clash of Kings. We got a comment on our Danny 9 episode on Podbean from Nana Pero, which might mean Nana dog?

Are you a- is this dog related? I hope so. It doesn't have to be. Hopefully no one's offended. I just like dogs. But Nana also points out something else that I enjoy and says, I've been saying bring me egg since I listened to Eliana's episode on the Nana cast, so glad to hear it again. And you know what? I think I was probably really drunk that episode, but I'm really happy that, I don't know, like, am I just like a fucking scripted person? Am I just like a very consistent, like as a character dependable? No, bring me egg is in your heart.

I know, but that's the thing. It really is. It's just how I always feel. Yeah. No, I just love eating eggs. In this economy? Girl, the tariffs! I'm fucking like Gaston, alright. I found some 399 eggs, like a dozen for 399 recently.

Oh, and in the country you live in over there? Okay. Well, I had to use like a little digital coupon stuff, but like I got it. And also Costco, Costco still has like a good deal on eggs. So a lot of times I'll do that. Fuck yeah. Anyways, I love Costco. I love egg. I fucking love egg.

I also like egg on the fifth, I guess, but I mostly love eating eggs. All right. All right. That's it. Here's what you missed between Daenerys X in a Clash of Kings and Daenerys I in a Clash of Kings starting with the prologue of a Clash of Kings. On Dragonstone, a faithful servant tries and fails to save his king from corruption at the hands of a red witch.

Asterisk. Rip. Rip to a real one. Cross out. I know! I was thinking that. Miss that boy-y. Arya won!

Arya travels in disguise with other recruits for the Night's Watch, freed from the dungeons of King's Landing. Sansa won! You're invited to King Joffrey's birthday. It's going to be a shitty time. Aww. Tyrion won. Suddenly facing employment, Tyrion's new handjob is not respected equally by the rest of the small council.

Varys shows us some of his cards. Spoiler. It's blackmail. Bran won. By day, Bran must play the little lord, even with annoying Frasafoot. By night, Bran dreams through the eyes of his wolf. Wolf dreaming by moonlight, fighting Fras by daylight, never running from a real fight. He's one named Bran Stark. You could've said Brandon Stark, it hits the...

Slobbles. Oh, slobbles. Missed opportunity. You know what, I forgot his Christian name. Arya too. The gold cloaks aim to arrest Gentry, but he is protected by Yorin. Woo woo. John 1.

John finds Sam book-deep in the library cellar, exploring maps for their ranging. Jeyor and John discuss Aemon's past. Catlin 1. King Ra presents peace terms to Cleos Frey. Later, he argues with Katlin over exchanging Jaime for his sisters and sending Theon to the Iron Islands. Later, Brynden and Katlin plot out an alliance with Renly. Tyrion II. Tyrion gives Lord Janos a last supper before he is taken into custody to join the Night's Watch.

Arya 3. Arya's group moves off the main road for fear of Kingsmen. In the forest, she is frightened by a wolf pack. Davos 1. Amidst burning gods and fury, Stannis Baratheon is proclaimed Azor Ahai by Melisandre. But something about his sword isn't really giving Lightbringer. It's not giving Lightbringer. Thank you, I'll be here all day. It's one of my best. It's not giving Lightbringer.

It's not giving Lightbringer. It is so nicely all day, King. Oh my god. Theon won. Theon's homecoming is not exactly glorious, as his daddy tells him everything he's doing and has done is bad and wrong and he needs to betray his boyfriend. A clash of kings. Beneath Shiarak Kya, Daenerys and her calisar are discovered in the red waste by three… wise… parentheses… men… from Qarth. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- the bleeding star. The old men muttered that it omend ill, but Daenerys had seen it first on the night she had burned Khal Drogo, the night her dragons had awakened. It is the herald of my coming, she told herself as she gazed up into the night sky with wonder in her heart. The gods have sent it to show me the way.

Yet when she put the thought into words, her handmaid, Derea, quailed, "'That way lies on the Red Lands, Khaleesi. A grim place and terrible, the riders say.' "'The way the comet points is the way we must go,' Dany insisted, though in truth, it was the only way open to her. Well, George really made us fucking wait. It's really interesting when you do a lightning round and you're like, wow, he knew that everyone's like, wait, what happened? Dragons were born. And he like really, really wanted to just dangle that for everyone and make you go through

a fuck ton of chapters before you get here and find out what happened to Daenerys. Isn't it fun to see how he peppers you that way with other characters too to build to Dany? Yeah. The saturation of Arya in general, we kind of see that across the books, but the saturation of Arya in the beginning and seeing her adventures right away because he knows he can't leverage all of them to be off page, It's kind of interesting when you consider different gaps like that and what he might do in Tiwa with John, for example, right?

Yeah. I mean, he's definitely gonna fucking make us wait for that for sure. Yeah. It's fun, the absence of POV and what that can do to really draw you in on suspense and emotion. Yeah. Some stuff that I think is fun here, like that term Bleeding Stars, Shiarak, Kya. So that's what I mean, the Shiarak word, like that probably has something to do with star and it makes me think of like Shiarah C. Star's name. And so that means perhaps her name has some like shared roots linguistically with I don't know if like what like the overlap between Delthrochi and like Valyrian and I'm sure someone could tell us that and by by the someone, I mean David Peterson, but, um, yeah, I just thought that was interesting.

Like that there's something there that speaks to why her name and her nickname. Oh, she's Quaithe. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know. Maybe. Just kidding. Whoa. Maybe you heard it here first. Eliana might believe in Quaithe equals Shear a sea star? I don't actually. I just am like, I don't know. I don't fucking know anymore. As George says, that a thousand goofy theories reign. I don't know anymore. Dude, I don't know anymore.

I think that all the time now. Anyone can fly a plane, alright? I don't know anymore. Oh, god. Anyone can fly a plane. All right. I don't know anymore. Dude, I like literally thought for a few moments, I was like, should I? Should I learn? Um, so this opening and the comet, everything very much is part of why we feel it's got such a very biblical feeling. Feels like the star of Bethlehem heralding the way to the birth of the Messiah, but at the same time the way that they're following it to Lord knows

where through this waste also feels a little like, you know, the pillar of flame and cloud guiding like Moses through the wilderness as the Israelites leave Egypt. Yeah, and we kind of see similar to that when like the Begging Brother and King's Landing, right? You see a little bit of that great biblical language continue to echo around the plot. And I love like a lot about how good this chapter, like Crescent Chapter is so good paired with this if you just read the two. Oh, interesting. Have not done.

Yeah, I hadn't done till today either. Oh, yeah. If you just read the two. Oh, interesting. Have not done. Yeah, I hadn't done till today either. I just dipped my toes in. Oh. The thing in the sky is a comet, sweet child, a star with a tail lost in the heavens. It will be gone soon enough, never to be seen again in our lifetimes.

Watch and see. Hmm. What does it mean? Feels important. Never to be seen again. Magic slipping right through your fingers. And of course, it echoes a lot of the other stuff in the books, right? Yeah. Tiwau. Bitch. Bleeding star bespoke the end. And if you haven't read The Forsaken, it's like, who are you?

If you're saving yourself for Tiwau, I guess I understand, but like, you should read it anyway. The Bleeding Star Bespoke the End. These are the last days when the world shall be broken and remade. A new god shall be born from the graves in Charnel pits." Speaking of pillar of flame. Snaps. Oh, so good. Revelation coded.

Yeah, real revelation. That is a lot of this too, right? I think the, um, all the death. It's giving revelations. Fuck, what did I say about status? It's giving. It's not giving Lightbringer. This is giving Lightbringer, bro. This is

like born beneath the comet. It's Danny as a new god. Like this is like an endearing trope to me. Something I love is like the idea of like humans becoming gods or like channeling gods or like having connection to the gods, right? I'm not saying it's like I don't think George is saying it's one-one, he's not saying like she is now god or she is a god, like she is this god and has taken on this god within her and I'm not saying he's doing that with her and other characters, but in a metaphorical sense you have that like, this new gods were just awakened in the end of the last book, in the mid-end, like Bran, new godhood going on, Danny.

The fourth wing plays with this a little bit. It's like, again, everybody needs one trashy novel and that's mine, and I love that for me, but they started playing with this in the most recent book of like the idea of humans having like been given god-like tendencies or god-like whatever, and I'm like, okay, now I have to read all of them forever. Like, I have to find out where she's going with this, whether it's good or it's terrible. LWX Interesting. There's a lot of anime and manga that I feel like I should recommend to you regarding this. One of them I have never finished, because also they didn't finish the anime, but maybe I should just continue with the manga. But anyways, also hot take, you know, if we're talking about gods, not just like in the literal sense with the magic and stuff, but even just like the new rise

of like the shifting power structures, obviously the Clash of Kings, the War of the Five Kings, even like arguably Joffrey, bad god, but sometimes they can't all be good, you know? You got to have, you got to have a little conflict there sometimes. No, I, I think that's fair too. You have to have some bad gods and it's more of like a narrative structure if anything to tell by, right? And that comes from like that idea of the POV structure. But- Stannis. Yes, Stannis, exactly. There's a lot of great cultural stuff though that kind of has some echoes here that I was thinking about in folklore like Australian, Indigenous Australians or Aboriginal Australian culture and West Australian culture, there's

a lot of like divine ancestry. So brings to mind some Targaryen stuff, gods and spirits that were once human, but they went to the sky or the earth and animals and rocks. And in some subcultures, they have this idea. I mean, a lot of subcultures have this, not just Aboriginal Australian, but the idea of like the spirit realm being somewhere that's outside of space and time, right? Like existing all the time, but also not existing at all. Like what we're going to explore when we get to the House of the Undying, right? For example, that kind of place of living and dead and nothing and everything all at

once. And I think that's really interesting. The Wangxina Wangger is very interesting in this Australian culture, this Western Australian culture. They have this cultural complex where the Wanjina are human ancestors, divine spirits of lightning. And so it's kind of interesting. We were derived from the gods,

not just in the Greco-Roman sense, which I know George is playing with, of course, as well. There's also Inuit gods. Melina became a sun goddess when she escaped into the sky from her brother who tried to rape her, and he ended up turning into the- Yeah, it was weird. Sus.

Not great, pretty fucked up. But he turned into the moon in return, like to keep them separate, basically, and that kept balance. Sedna, whose father tried to sacrifice her to stop storms from happening. Shireen, look out. But she ends up getting her fingers chopped off, and that's how seals were created. Each one of her fingers turns into a seal. So if you ever see a seal, you need to be thanking Sedna.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know. Not one-one, but I do think that George wants to have these pieces of imagery in place, especially when you have the chapter of Stannis burning the gods a little bit before this. You have the chapter before that of Crescent, right, doing what he thinks is right as a king is rising in his hands. You have Catelyn going to Renly soon. You have all these different kings making choices, Joffrey, Rob. I think George

wants this imagery to show us how a messiah becomes, well, a messiah, right? Yeah. And also the myth and the story of it are built, but also even like, I mean, there's literally magic going on here too. Yeah. And everything she does is how that legend becomes real and written. We don't get to see Rob do these things. We don't get to see Stannis do some of these things, right? Like they're both very inspirational characters in their own right, I'm sure, to some. And Daenerys, we could see her every action and how it's shaped in her mind, which I think is so powerful in kind of contrast to these kings, the five kings that so name this book.

Yeah, and a lot of the language, even in like just the narration of the story, really hammers that home. And also especially, yeah, again, so excited one day when we get to that speech, which will actually be more towards the end of Tyrion's chapters than it is in Daenerys, but the how not. My favorite speech, yeah. It's so good. My favorite speech ever. I didn't know that was your favorite speech. I love it. No, I love it.

I think it's just so powerful. It's like so powerful. Tattoo it on me. No, don't. Wait, maybe. Probably not. I don't have a lot of real estate left for that. We can make it work somehow.

I'll get half of it, you get the other half, it'll be like a friendship bracelet. Oh, okay, interesting. Cute. Well, to the north, to the window, to the wall, to the north the Dothraki Sea and the Colossars are waiting to swallow them whole. The Lamb Men, though, are south of them, and the Lazarine, believe it or not, probably don't love them based on, you know, everything that we just saw happen.

Downriver are ports to Meereen, Yunkai, and Astapor, but Makarro warns her that Pono's khalasar went that way to sell slaves in the markets of Slaver's Bay. Dani doesn't understand why Pono, who had once spoken her very gently, should now be feared. And Joruf says that was when he was co. Now he is a Kal in his own right and the first to abandon Drogo. He also took 10,000 men with him. And now Danny is left with only 100.

Well, okay, four men. The rest are women, old sick men, and boys without braids." Yeah, so I thought that was kind of a fun distinction to kind of think upon, where they talk about the difference between Copono and Calpono, and it makes me think of things like, you know, Jon and how he changed, right, from being like Jon the Ranger, Jon, who's part of the Night's Watch, to becoming Lord Commander Snow. And we get to see that transition with Daenerys too, right? A, in the last book, B, even as she comes into being a queen from when she was a princess, and also like, I'm gonna- I'm gonna extrapolate a little on Jorah saying that Dany has a hundred warriors and she's like, well, not really, alright, let's be real. No, but there's something there about the idea of all of them being

warriors, even if many of them are like considered sick or weak. Because like on one hand, that's so beautiful. It's empowering the idea that like anyone can put up a fight. Is it true? I don't know. Maybe like some of them shouldn't be, but on the other hand, I'm also thinking about like the supernatural aspects in the North, you know, and the others, where interestingly you do have the spearwives, but like, if you think about it, all those

hundred people that she has, they could be warriors if they are killed and dead bodies and then reanimated, then they become warriors but as zombies, but it's kind of like that. Yeah, kind of like that. Well, and then the literal aspect and then the metaphorical and then the others aspect is all three layers. Like a parfait. Oh, the layers. Like a parfait.

Mmm. A parfait sounds good. I know, right? What the fuck? What's wrong with you? We're hungry. Let them cook and let them eat. That's our secret.

We're always cooking and eating. Yeah, actually, that's why we're always baking on bed brunch. There's this line here. You will not live long should you meet Calpono nor Caljaco nor any of the others. You must go where they do not. And I think that line is like speaks volumes, right? Like kind of ominous in a way, like the idea of her going to the mountains with the Doshkalin and the place where they cannot go, right? Or where men like don't live or they don't be, they don't stay, they don't are, they don't do all the things there, woman mountain. But also like obviously he means they will kill you if they find you, lol.

And that's terrible too, like, that's a whole thing. And she does get found, I guess, anyways in a Dance of Dragons, but the idea of, like, as a woman not being able to go to the same places or going to different places or being able to kind of, like, work within going to places that others may not, especially with her dragons acting as kind of, like, something to open up and unlock those places for her. It kind of reminds me of Arya, right, being able to bend in between these places, physical and mental, and like the dragons being changeable, right? The idea of their sex being changeable is kind of interesting. Like Daenerys in some ways is changeable now, right? Like she's doing

hard things that in their world, this very real medieval world, this scientific world, in their world, she's doing things that maybe women don't always do. She's a dragon. Her nature is changeable too. So I think there's something interesting there. And I also think like you must go where they do not on a like moralistic, interesting level of like she chooses to go east. She chooses that there is hardship in the east and she should bring freedom to these people and that, like, she should do it. It's the righteous and right thing to do for them, right?

And to go lift the siege that their lives of hell are under, like, she chooses that where others do not, others choose to fight and scrabble for this throne. others do not. Others choose to fight and scrabble for this throne. STACEY Yeah. She goes where she sees like, people need help. And I also kind of like what you're saying, you know, about this changeability and her ability to go through things. Like on one hand, there's an arc there of at the moment she is very vulnerable. And it's going to be kind of like a hunted becomes the hunter situation in all likelihood. But it makes it reminds me of like the story from CNN correspondent Clarissa Ward. I forgot where she was and what she was covering, but it was some sort of conflict and it was in a place where there was like a lot of like gender inequality and a lot of other men

when they go there as journalists, right? They're able to cover aspects of the situation because you know, parts of it, because they can sit with the men. But because she was a woman and a Western woman, not of that culture, she was given some leeway and allowed to interact with the men and cover that part as a journalism.

But she could also enter the spaces that were reserved only for women where they were separated and be able to cover the story in that way. So they're strengthened that like when it comes to like Arya and the way that Daenerys has to work with and navigate power. So Daenerys points out that she has dragons and Jorah's like, well, they're just hatchlings. And she's like, just give me a five year gap and like, watch what happens. Then we have this line where Jorah mansplains to her. I will do this thing for you, Khaleesi. I would never make you be Jorah on your own.

I mean, I do it sometimes. It's kind of fun. I know, but I would never make you and I want that on the record. No, I'm just kidding. Your dragon eggs were more precious than rubies. A living dragon is beyond price. In all the world, there are only three. Every man who sees them will want them, my queen." Is he talking about the dragon eggs here or like when it's we're talking about Jorah? Her titties! Is he talking about something else? Yeah, I'm like, what's happening here? He's being unknown. Yeah. Well, and there's a lot of that in this chapter very lightly.

Yeah. Like, just very lightly. It's not that lightly. Captain. It's not lightly. He only does like three things and one of them is advance on her and tell her that he knows everything and he can tell her everything. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, there's this line. She responds, oh my god, it's so good. They are mine, she said fiercely. They are mine. They are mine. I just, I just love that line also of how it starts off, they had been born from her faith and her need. Yeah, I literally came here in the outline to say that and you had already like had a note and I'm like, damn, that's what I was gonna say, bitch, because now I'm gonna say it again, the passion.

What the fuck, the passion behind her doing anything, the drive that, the things that she is doing, she has to do, she is driven to do them. It is very emotional, especially because here, she's thinking on how these dragons were born from her traumas and dramas during a Game of Thrones. They are a piece of her. Like she says no man will take them from her while she lives and Jor is like well you may not live long if you go where the calisars

are and I'm like... should feed them. True. Yeah. And I do also like that line because of how it plays in with again we're talking about a lot of the religious overtones of this chapter. So, her faith! Anyways. In regards to those Colossars haunting them, like, you know, if before she and Viserys were afraid of the usurper's hidden knives being everywhere, now it's not very hidden. The knives are not hidden, knives out, and everyone wants to kill her and they are not shy about it.

It's just kind of sad, like, you know, Daenerys cannot catch a break. Everybody's out to get her. The dragons are a gift and a curse. Like you can see that, you can see why maybe she is not trusting of others. Why she keeps her own counsel, because others are sneaky bastards, as we continue to learn in Karth. I don't think it's harder, because then if they're not sneaky bastards, they're creeps.

And welcome to life, everyone. That's true. So real. Well, Daenerys had taken Dora's council as her queen's guard and decided to mount her silver mare, gather her people. She throws on her lion fur on her bald ass head and then follows the comet. No one questioned her. They call her the Unburnt, the mother of dragons, and her word was their law. They ride by night, take refuge by day, and Dany learns the truth of Derea's words. This was no kindly country." She was like,

learns the truth of Dorea's words. This was no kindly country. She was like, we're in the lost lands. No, she doesn't say that at all. I love this line. I'm just gonna say lines that I like of her word was their law. It speaks to, again, we keep talking about what power is, it's the ability to control, it's the ability to make, to do, and there is, they're speaking like the power of their language, right? She doesn't have the spells last chapter, and yet she hatches the dragons anyway. We're talking about godhood, and in the Bible, in the beginning was the word, right? And that feels little godhoodish here too. And of course, we got the mythos starting to build around her.

And that's her word. She laid it down. Word. Word! So true. So true, Besty. And you know, isn't that crazy? Girls Gone Canon, been talking about the Bible on podcasts near you. Since the start. In the beginning beginning was in the beginning was girls girls girls girls girls Ahead the comet Behind a trail of dead and dying horses sickly and lame like her people dang I know it was kind of not nice. They are not strong

She told herself so I must be their strength. I must show no fear, no weakness, no doubt. However frightened my heart, when they look upon my face, they must only see Drogo's queen. She felt older than her fourteen years. If she ever had truly been a girl, that time was done. Dang, so sad. It makes me automatically jump to her weariness when she goes, I was only a young girl in Daenerys X and Dance of Dragons, and she's thinking about how she has to keep performing strength, right? She has to compete with all these ideas of masculinity and show it as Drogo's queen. And it's fascinating that here she's still seeing herself as Drogo's queen, right? She's not her own queen just yet. It's very much her version of the Lord's face.

Mm-hmm. She like understands what they follow and what power is and you know, the dragons are a step, definitely a step, but they aren't 100% power to her. She doesn't feel confident yet in that power. Until they get wings, then they can fly her up all the steps. Yeah, and then she's like, power bitch. But also like they're suffering and her suffering with them as we're about to go through. I think that's really important that she's down there on the ground, suffering with them. That's big. That is big. We see that in a toothless older man dives three days into the march, and Eerie declares his time was past and Dany bids them to kill the weakest horse with him

so that he may go mounted into the nightlands. Two nights later an infant girl dies. Her mother wails all day because she had been too young to ride. Eh. Yeah, I don't have an, I don't have anything deep about this. I just think it's funny that the text says like a toothless oldster or something. I'm like, oldster? It like the opposite of youngster Joey, oldster Joey. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I was like, that's why I called him an older man. No, I needed to call out that George wrote that.

What is he going to send out in battle? A slowpoke? That's the ageism. Let's see. Maybe it could be some other, like much, it could be like, I don't know, ghost type Pokemon. That could be kind of fun. I was going to say an Omenite, but yeah, that's probably. Oh, huh.

Yeah. Or I don't know, something obviously on its third evolution. Yeah, no, maybe that. Mmm, evolution. Mmm. Mmm, Oldster. Oldster Aliana. That's me.

Wants to fight. It would have to have like a different version for the female translation, you know? Oh, yeah. Like, last time. We'll think about it. We'll think about it. We're working on it. We're working on it.

Workshop again. We have a line here. Regarding the little girl who does die, though, not for her the endless black grasses of the night lands. She must be born again. Kind of an interesting bit of lore regarding death beliefs. The idea that they have to come back to try again if they weren't able to ride a stallion to the sky and like showing what that society values.

It's sad, but also kind of like beautiful in some aspects, like that they come back and try again until they ascend. It reminds me of like the sea foam and the little mermaid, right? Like that you have to do the bajillion good deeds until you can get a soul, trading it for a soul or whatever. Like it's interesting. It's like a, it's like a good penance in a way. Like it's not like it's a bad or whatever. Like, it's interesting. It's like a good penance in a way. It's not like it's a bad penance. It's not like you're doing it necessarily as a punishment.

You're doing it in a way like you're earning it in some aspects. Not this child didn't earn it. That's cruel. I don't know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is it's interesting. It's like the seafoam idea. It's like gaining passage in a way. You have to pay your passage, get your obel yeah she's like not being abandoned right it's like you cannot make the journey into the nightlands you had a you had a ride that horse yeah you got to come back and try again so you can get back on the horse but it's like the idea of like I don't know I think there's bits of people and everything like the earth like like like what I was saying about the Australian Aboriginal like Australian culture

You know like there's bits enough of everyone and everything at the end like your spirits never truly gone Yeah, I also think of like you know and like the good place or something hmm Hmm cannonball run to Haven't we watched that though. I should sometime I actually just watched the Michael and Janet episode the other day like as a comfort watch I actually just watched the Michael and Janet episode the other day as a comfort watch. I have nowhere. Season 3, very good. Highly recommend.

Tear to my eye. The Red Waste is barren, offering only dust, dry riverbeds, and withered trees. Dani sends scouts ahead, but they find only stagnant pools, and supplies begin to dwindle. Death claims the weak and the old first. Daraya's health fails, and Dany too grows weaker. Her milk dries up, but her main fear is for her dragons, her last remaining family. The dragons are no larger than cats. They refuse to eat raw meat.

Until Dany remembers Viserys' words, only men and dragons eat cooked meat. Once charred, they begin to grow. Dani thinks on how she's named them after her lost family. Ragel, Viserion, and Drogon. I just keep thinking of all the food that the dragons would not eat. Like they wouldn't eat carpaccio, no steak tartare, no sushi, no crudo. Stop. I'm so... No raw oysters for the dragons.

What? Yeah. No! They like casino or like- No salads. They like them fried. Gross. Um, anyways.

It's a waste of oysters, by the way. I do like char-boiled oysters and grilled oysters, though. Very tried as well. Um, okay. So starting even as early as this first A Clash of Kings chapter, we are getting the message that Daenerys feels that the dragons are her only family. And this is something that I hate the show for failing to portray, especially like when they had D's dragon stolen Karth because

like I think it still could have worked. You could have still had that plotline and still hammered home the importance that they are her only family. They're not her pets. They're not just like her whatever to power like that she thinks that they belonged to her. This is her family. That's why she's so fucking desperate. And they're her desperation, again, born of her faith and need, their hope for her, and yes, they are her power in the way that part of why she needed Drogo alive. Like, she loved him in that very complicated, weird way, but also he kept her safe and that's what they do. I also like this little bit about the cats she thinks about the cat skulking about in Pentos.

It makes me think even more that like Daenerys and Arya's paths might cross, like Arya in disguise though, like in Pentos and you know, the boat that Arya takes to go back to to Westeros, the boat that Chloe has famously discussed, would could come from Pentos. I don't necessarily think that this section is foreshadowing. I think that George probably had to garden his way to even be like, yeah, I don't know, let's fucking throw cats into, like, she'll be cat, right? Or gardening that Aria eventually learns the Pentoshi dialect. I don't think that this was planned necessarily, as a hint to that.

That's fair. No, that's fair. And I like that. Just because so much of their plots intersect in a lot of ways geographically already in their emotions and like how they're dealing with them in some aspects. And not just that, but also I think that gives a good basis for later, So I think that gives a good basis for later, like relationship building between when Dani's in the North and Arya like able to like know things going on in the war and like not showing up like a fucking 11 year old. You know what I mean? Like it gives her a reason to be engaged in Winterfell. I saw her once.

I don't know. Something that I felt is like, so I got to what? This one episode of Andor and I was like, wow, they really just gave us the actual Arya Stark storyline, the Song of Ice and Fire Arya Stark storyline, having to kill her mother. Yeah, wow, they really did though. They did. I feel like what I said was not a spoiler to anyone, because I feel that was just vague and only talking about Aria, so you'll all understand one day. Anyways. Unless you don't. No accounting for taste. They've all watched it, so yeah. They've all finished it by now, Elia.

I'm the only one who hasn't seen it. It's only me. You're the fucking holdup. I'm the problem, it's me. I also would say that next chapter, Kehiru, Moe, with the cinnamon wind comes through, so don't forget, like, there's already been intersections that could have happened there. She sees the cinnamon wind soon. I thought you were just talking about Andor. And I was like, is this like a metaphor or something else? Like, are you telling me someone else feels like Koromo in Andor? It does sound like a Star Wars name. Like, absolutely. I was thinking that earlier. I

was like, that's a Star Wars name. I knew that they were characters here, but I was like, is she like, are we continuing the metaphorical talk? Anyways. No, I was back in the story. Sorry. I have ADHD. I moved on. No, so it's okay. That's the podcast. I moved on by moving back. No, so it's okay. That's the podcast. I moved on by moving back. We looked back. So the original three Conquerors, you all know them, they named their dragons after gods. Dani gives us a bit of that explanation. And I think that there's something there about Daenerys naming them her dragons after her family members, right? It speaks to, in a way, the

Targaryen family kind of becoming this thing that is her religion, right? That's what she's having faith in, her legacy, her name. This is what she has to believe and hope for and pray for now. LS Yeah. And her coming from the gods, right? And her being a god. Like we were talking about earlier, like, of course I'm a god, I come from these gods. The divine ancestry, like we were talking about. Yeah. And you can't listen to the bad parts about them quite yet, you know? Like, they, it's, they're larger than life figures to her at the moment. She's never met them. She just has to, like, have faith. to like have faith. Like Zeus, Zeus is a total dickbag, right?

Like Zeus is a total asshole. Like look at everything Zeus has done. But what do we say when you think of Zeus? Oh yeah, god of, you know, lightning, thunder, storms. That's true. Yeah. She's an afterthought. Well, she's not always, it depends on like, I guess the stories that are being told.

I will say like, I went on a whole diatribe about Disney's Hercules this past weekend. Watch what you say now, girl. Speak very carefully. Oh, it's not canon at all. Oh, no, I don't care if it's canon. It has bangers. And that's the most important part. That's the most important part. Make it fun. Make it epic. I can go the distance. I don't care how fun. Also if there's a prize for rotten judgment, I guess I've already won that.

No man is worth the aggravation. That's true. So with Daenerys' colosal weakening and horses growing too weak to carry them, Daera unfortunately dies. Right. Daenerys cares for Daera herself, yeah, real one, and when she is sure that Daera has passed, only then does she allow the colosal to press on. And I like that she was able to do this, right?

But she finally has the power to tell everyone, hang on, let's just stop. This was big sad. At long last she's allowed to show tenderness now that the other Dothraki have kind of abandoned them and their Colossar. No one's going to question now, like, what if we did show respect for our loved ones dying? It's great, right, because she's kind of like creating new traditions and new pillars of this culture, right? Like, they all have chosen to go with her and now their paths have diverged. They don't really have much other choice at this point, obviously. They're in the middle of the red waste, but like, so they have to believe in her no matter what, but they kind of went with her because they believe in her no matter what, because they're like,

holy shit, you bird dragons. So that she makes this moment so important that she, the leader of the Kalasar, the Khaleesi, that she tends to Derea personally, even though Derea is like about to die. Like it's very clear she's not going to make it, that she nurses her to her end. And also that Derea is not treated like a servant or slave in this moment, right? Even when hope was lost and like was not going to get better, she personally tends to her. And I don't know. I think we can, we can see a lot of folks that make the hard choice to leave

people behind in this story. And that is sometimes a choice that gets made, has to get made. That's it is what it is. But I think that the red waste waste especially is going to parallel the hard winter ahead Some of our protagonists and antagonists, right? The things they're going to have to face and how they face them if they face them with tenderness if they face them with The love and care that Daenerys has been able to face them. We see Jon go through that in this very book Right a couple of times. Yeah.

Mance Rayder, you know? Like the, or not Mance Rayder, the fucking Koran half hand, right? And Ygritte, like the different deaths in this book and next book that he experiences and has to walk away from or has the moment to be tender with. Or even what? Like Bran with Luin and as he's and as they're emerging and taking that time to be there and being like, I think you should go. I want to just do this alone. But Daenerys knows that Daeraa probably would not want that and doesn't let her go off by herself.

She shouldn't be alone. Yeah. When Dany asks Jorah if they're lost, he assures her the Red Waste ends, eventually, leading them toward Karth, Asahi, and E.T. They find a bubbly, stinky pool of water, but hey, it's water, and a third of the Kalasar has already died without water, so time to get into it. Dany is haunted by the Comet in the sky, questioning if she birthed dragons only for her and them to die in the wasteland. As they approach a pale, ruined city, Dani

orders her people to enter the city's abandoned, broken, haunted, and she disregards the warnings of ghosts from her khalasar, instead prioritizing food and water for them. STACEY So this is a long held belief of mine, and I think I've written it up about it probably in a comment or something like a long long time ago, but I ain't gonna find that. In the 1993 letter version of A Song of Ice and Fire, George says that Daenerys actually flees the Dothraki, right? And discovers a cache of eggs in the wilderness and from those eggs she eventually births one of the dragons. It might be more than one, but like, it was singular in that sentence, so who knows.

I think that this is where that would have happened. Like, George was like, well, that was kind of fun. Let me just like put that here into this red waste and this version now of the story that I'm writing. I think that based Tolaro and especially with Rikaro later on finding like the old dragon skull further south, this area might be where she found those eggs, especially because you have that really great juxtaposition

of like in this place of bones and ghosts, right? The ghosts that everyone carries with them, family, whatever. But also that idea of something being barren as perhaps maybe they're saying that Daenerys is right now. You have fruit, you have this, the fruit there, the food figs, which especially symbolize fertility and you know, fertility birthing shit sprouting from it. And so this could be where the old dead egg rocks come back to life in another world. Yeah. 1993. That was another world. I know. It's a year after the best year that ever happened. Interesting. It was a decade before I was born. Fascinating.

You last. You glossing. I'm the oldster. You the last. Me last, Chloe. Yeah, and I love with the figs especially, right? Because it's birth overall, like it represents not just birth of children, but birth of a god, birth of a new culture, of a new way of life, right? Of dragons. And figs, you know, I think of Romulus Ramus being

transported in a basket woven of fig leaves or Adam and Eve, right? Oh yeah, Adam and Eve were dressed with the fig leaves and figs also like they do mean life. Like they have very high nutrients. Like when you think of these people that are starving in the desert, figs have a certain amount of fattiness that is good for you, like good fats. They're very high in fiber. They're very high in vitamin C. They're very high in fiber, they're very high in vitamin C. They're very good for you, and they do mean kind of life. Like, they are a prosperous plant for that. Also, like, life goes on, right? I think this is a rebirth for Daenerys from the End of the Blast.

Like, kind of when? Yeah, like, live, laugh, love, eat prey. Dragons are like, eat prey for my mom. Oh, okay. I don't know, it is like a rebirth. Like, she is restarting. Eat prey. Dragons are like eat prey for my mom. I don't know. It is like a rebirth. She is restarting. She has to restart with practically nothing, but she has her dragons, which are everything. So figs have a great bit of meaning for that.

May this add to the fig folklore for her. Like of everywhere. Like, I mean, in 20 years, people look back on fig folklore and be like, when Daenerys came upon the fig trees in the desert when her people were dying. Like people will say that about this. That's true, yeah they would. That would be part of the legend. Also figs rock. I love figs. Oh yeah they're so fucking good. I have fig preserves in my fridge right now. We have a fig tree that was fruiting last year when we got it. It's still, it's really, it's real small. It's small, okay. It had some fruits on it when we got it. It is that was fruiting last year when we got it. It's still it's really it's real small. It's small

Okay, it had some fruits on it when we got it. It is not yet fruiting this year It might still be a little early But now I'm just like should I like when it gets bigger one day in many years try to like weave a basket of fig leaves I'm sure oh my god and so Yeah, that they were in that oh my god. no. I ain't fucking around with no babies. Luke and Leia. The people scavenge figs, find hidden gardens, and discover clean water, but also bones. Eerie suggests leaving, but Dani and sister dragons are stronger than ghosts.

She reflects on the comfort of the temporary shelter and wonders if the gods sent them here. In her tent, Daenerys thinks of her hair, which is starting to grow back, and how she should wear it in Dothraki braids. How fucking fast does her hair grow? CB 05.21. Well, ask George. LSL. Later, Rhaegal lashes out in frustration, and Dany sympathizes with his wanting to fly. She imagines what it would be like to fly in a dragon, soaring above the kingdoms and touching the comet.

Jorah brings her a peach, and Dany marvels at its sweetness. Also love peaches. They talk of ghosts. She asks him to share about what happened to his second wife, Linesse, a beautiful woman from House Hightower. We have a line of, the Hightowers are an ancient family, very rich and very proud. And loyal, Dani said. No comment. No comment. You can choose to interpret that line. Whatever you want?

They're no Adam Valerian, but you know. I mean, so does this mean the Hightowers getting the septin to anoint Agen in Tiwau or... Or that other time when the Hightowers were like, we hate women. Famously, that is exactly what they said. Actually, it was better than that. I will say the better thing they said was we hate Daemon Targaryen. And then they said they hate women. So just to prioritize their hatreds here. First, it was Daemon at least.

We hate Daemon, a very important woman. Hold on. I mean, I'm here for this. Good for her. Well, glossing over the betrayal of a different story, it is kind of interesting to think of the High Towers at this point in the series and some of the meta on writing them. I think there's a lot of gardening going on with the High Towers,

and I think George had a lot of pots open and was like, ooh, I could dip my quill here and then I could dip my quill here and then I could dip my quill here because you have like the Citadel and the idea of the Citadel, which is not fully sketched out, but the maesters at this point have been a little sketched out. This book specifically, you see Crescent, right, is another introduction of another maester beyond Pysel and Lewin up close to look at and kind of understand their whole thing and what their personalities are and how that may have been influenced by the Citadel.

But also then, you don't really have much about the Hightower's influence when it comes to the Citadel at this point. All we've heard about Hightowers at this point is like, Gerald Hightower. We haven't heard much else beyond Gerald in the Kingsguard. So this is kind of outside of Gerald Hightower mentions, this is really the first mention of House Hightower, like even as an abstract. Kind of interesting to pair them with Jorah, right? Like an interesting, I wonder what George was thinking about. And I think especially referenced here by the peach that Jorah offers her, we're building out

Renly, another person who eats a peach soon, and the reach and clash. Like this is a way of George to finally like play around with the reach ahead of the Tyrells showing up at court. George, I don't know if he was sure the way he wanted to go, right? With the Citadel and with the Hightower and with the Starry Septu- with all of these like things clashing in Old Town, the faith, the arts, the educational arts here, you know, all these little bits of magic. It doesn't feel cohesive. Even like in the world of Ice and Fire. I mean, we don't get much about the Hightowers until A Feast for Crows, right? When it comes to the prologue

we start to finally hear about it beyond Beyond the Kingsguard members and the vague references. It doesn't feel like a cohesive family Obviously we get the Starks firsthand and we learned each of them are very Different in some ways to each other and sometimes very similar, but from an abstract view, I feel like I understand current Starks and historic Starks and kind of the overall starkness. The Hightowers are not so cohesive yet. They don't have that going on and there's a lot of info throughout the books of these implications of learning being their big focus.

There's that Davos chapter in Storm where he's going through that list of the different hands that there have been. And he says Sir Otto Hightower was renowned for learning, but he failed his hand. Yes, he did, though. Yeah, he did. But at that time in Storm, we didn't have that full landscape for Otto Hightower, but interestingly, he was renowned. Interesting he was renowned for learning, right? That seems to be the big focus in Old Town. And then finally with Feast, like you get those etchings pulled together, like Sam speaking

about how, oh, well, the Hightowers are loaded and they can pull together swords, right? The rest of Old Town kind of speaks to them maybe being magical and not just rich. You get that passage of, Lord Leighton's locked atop his tower with the mad maid Say that ten times fast. Consulting books of spells. Might be he'll raise an army from the deeps. Or not.

Balor's building galleys. Gunther has charge of the harbor, Garth is training new recruits, Humphrey's gone to Leis to hire sell sales. If he can winkle a proper fleet out of his whore of a sister, we can start paying back the Ironmen with some of their own coin. Till then, the best we can do is guard the sound and wait for this bitch queen in King's Landing to let Lord Paxter off his leash." So, glossing over the colorful language as I'm going to do. Yeah, people are real passionate. Yeah, this implies that Humphrey is at least in a position of good nature with his sister Linesse,

because we know that they're referencing Linesse, who is in is in lease and she is the concubine of the merchant prince trigger or mullin. And you kinda start to see like gunther has charge of the harbor that is the one that's into the port and into the shipping and kind of into the. You know fiscal business of the family probably as well as the maritime business. Garth is training new recruits, so he's really into the martial side of things. Humphrey is hiring sell sales and lease to bolster their armies. So clearly, physically, like they are paying attention to their military.

They are being ready for that. It's just interesting that there's this implication of maybe they're doing magic spells, but maybe they're not. Hopefully they are. I mean, we all want that. I mean, I think they are, let's be real. But very interesting that like, I don't think that he's built the magical suspense up until Feast. Feast is really where we finally get some inklings of it. I don't know, also interesting that Linesse is like most definitely then in a position of power, right, with her merchant prince and something that's not maybe as focused on right now.

Like Jorah telling us this in the background and then what George plays off of it with a feast for crows, kind of interesting. Like Linesse definitely has pole, she has sway, and her merchant prince could give them troops. Yeah, I actually, I think we could actually run into Linesse one day. Like I think that'd be very interesting. And I hope we get, you know, Linesse's version as well of the story and what the fuck went down. I wonder to an extent, like now that I think about the way that the High Towers have been portrayed in history,

because I think you're right, like George only really kind of started gardening them more later. Is Daenerys going to be like, bro, what the fuck do you mean she looks like me? Because all the high towers that I know ain't silvery blonde. They're not blonde at all. Right? She's gonna be like, this was some weird projection that you did, Jorah. This lady's got brown hair or auburn hair, but she probably does look like Daenerys, but I just think that'd be hilarious. I mean, Allery, Allery is said to have blonde hair as well.

Okay, at some point, they were able to get that in there, which is kind of interesting and incredible, because it's not a dominant- Well, it probably comes from Reino's line. It's just not a dominant, like, color. Yeah, I think it probably comes from Reino's line, would be my guess. It would be a really interesting interaction though. You know, there is something to say about meeting someone's ex. Finding out the stories where lies. Yeah, sometimes it's not like lies, sometimes it goes great, but sometimes it is. And I'm so glad I don't have that issue.

I really, I just really want to hear. I don't know. I want the old town storyline. Give me the rest of Sam's Academy storyline. Give me the rest. Linesse's version. Oh, give me Linesse's version. Oh my god.

1989, 289. Linesse's version. Yo, that'd be actually hilarious. Maybe that's a project. I'm going to write the whole album tonight. Yeah, I think that is a project we should consider. You and your guitar and me and my guitar, we're gonna do it. Yeah, I have to get back to practicing then you can, I can be like M2M or Tegan and Sarah.

Mirror, mirror, don't you look at me. You don't have to show me who's the biggest fool of all. They put out a song, a new song recently, I think. Nah. They put out a song, a new song recently, I think. I think they might, I think I saw like something recently because I might have been listening to fucking Don't Say You Love Me, popularized by the first Pokemon movie. So yeah, so Daenerys asks if their fathers made the match, but Jorah's like, it's a long story. And then she's like, I got time. So we learned the long story.

Bear Island, beautiful, but remote. Terrible winters. Many women. He married a glover. They were married for 10 years and she miscarried several times for 10 years, never recovering and passing away. And he slept with a lot of women before her, a lot of women during her, and I guess a lot of women after her. By some point in time- he says, he says he's like slept with- anyways. By that time,

though, Jorah was the lord of Bear Island because his father had gone to the Night's Watch. He's like, you got a handle on things here. Jorah did not,'s like, you gotta handle on things here. Jorah did not in fact have a handle on things here. Before Jorah could decide to marry again, Ned Stark called the banners in the Greyjoy Rebellion, and then he had to go to Pike to fight. And we have this line- I can't believe that Ned Stark stopped him from fucking. This is bullshit. He loves- that's like one of the many crimes I guess that he's committed against Jorah besides, you know, punishing him for poaching people into slavery. Cockblocking Jorah. So we have this line. When Robert's stone throwers opened a breach

in Cain Balen's wall, a priest from Mir was the first man through. But I was not far behind, for that I won my knighthood. It's that easy, huh? They're just giving it out to anyone these days. There's some really great structural stuff here with how we get this information about the Greyjoy Rebellion in Pike, especially because we start getting Theon's POVs in this book and we get like his first one right before this chapter. And I mean, as we discussed during our coverage of Theon's POVs a long, long, long, long time ago, because I'm an oldster, that was like actually very traumatic for him. Yeah, a scary fucking time. A bad time. Here's what Jorah thinks was a good time. Robert held attorney outside Lannisport where Jorah first saw Lannis.

He begged her favor and with it he rode like a man transformed. He defeated Jason Malister, Bronze Yon Royce, both Freys, Lord Huent, Strongboar, and Boris Blount. He even broke nine lances with Jaime Lannister to a draw. And they were like, that's enough, that's enough, great job. Team Robert named him the champion and Jorah crowned Lanness the queen of love and beauty, asking for her hand that very same night. Lord Leighton agreed and then they were married in Lannisport. Jorah was overjoyed at last. But Bear Island was

cold, damp, dull, and the meals didn't help. Linesse grew tired of fish and venison and grew colder to Jorah. He sent for cooks, musicians, jewelers, dressmakers, anything to please her. But did you try going down on her? Because that's what Ned did with Catlin and it saved their marriage. No, I don't think he tried that. Instead, he built her a ship and took her to festivals in Lannisport and to Old Town, even to Braavos. And then he did the thing that would ultimately turn on any woman, which is he went into debt borrowing from money lenders. And that right there is a way to be sexy, ask Rishi from industry.

He entered more tourneys, but the spark was gone and the fees were steep. And when he finally returned home and he spoke of pawning her jewels, Linesse was pretty livid. She wasn't very happy. Also, he did things that he was ashamed of, he says, like selling humans, which he doesn't say, but- He doesn't seem ashamed of that.

He does allude to the shame without saying it. It's just he doesn't say it out loud. But also, hmm, he doesn't say it kind of like it reminds me a little bit the way this is phrased, because he's like, I did things I'm ashamed of for gold. And then he feels as if he's been recused from the act in a way, kind of like how Mary Masdor doesn't necessarily lie, but doesn't tell Dani the truth about the horse, right? She's like, no, Khaleesi, not horses.

And he's like, I did things I'm ashamed of for gold. And he's like, good enough, we're not going to talk about it. It's interesting. Yeah. Taking like accountability, you know, like throwing the accountability down the stairs and watching it tumble and fall apart and not happen. Yeah, I don't think Jordan knows anything about accountability, but... He can't even spell it.

He might be able to spell it, I don't know. I don't know what he can spell. Um, I loved this passage from Storm from Mother Milf Catelyn's chapters, Mommy Milker Cat. Jesus Christ! She didn't say that actually, but she did say, Catelyn knew of whom they spoke. Jorah Mormont had brought his second wife to Winterfell for feasts, and once they had guested for a fortnight, she remembered how young the Lady Lanness had been. How fair, how unhappy. One night, after several cups of wine, she confessed to Catalin that the North was no place for a high tower of Old Town. There was a Toley of Riverrun who felt the same

once, she had answered gently, trying to console. But in time, she found much here she could love. Well, Linesse did not, so… I mean, Catlin just said the exact same thing as me. She said, But that's not what she said! She said the same thing! No! She was like, I felt the same way too. It's wrong with you. Until I got head.

Getting some head, getting, getting some head, getting, getting some head. I was getting some head. And that's why Daenerys is going to choose Jon over Chora. Anyway. Cause she was getting some head, getting, getting some head. When Ned came to Bear Island to give judgment. He was not giving some head. He was not. He was giving giving some head. He was not.

He was giving a bee head. It's giving bee head. It's giving the head. Wow, what are we doing in this chapter? Holy shit. Unhinged. Unhinged. Jorah took Linesse into exile in Lys, and he sold their ship to keep them alive.

And Dani S. did Linesse die there? And he says, only to me them alive. And Dany S did let S die there and he says, only to me, she's dead to me. I wish. Worse. In half a year, his gold was gone and he took service as a sellsword fighting for Vosi on the Rhoyne. We have this line here, Dany is horrified. Do you hate her? Almost as much as I love her. Not the same accent. Almost as much as I love her, Sir Jorah answered. He takes his leave, but as he leaves, she cannot resist asking, what did Linesse look like? And then, in a one sentence horror story, Jorah turns, smiling sadly and says, why,

she looked a bit like you, Khaleesi. AHHHHH! Deadass. I'm sorry, but this is like, this is a feeling, a universal feeling. You may have had a man say this to you before, listener. Dear listener. Listener, dear listener, if you have, you will know this exact feeling. Like why you look like my ex-dead-whatever lover and that's why I have a weird obsession with you, but I don't actually appreciate you for who you are instead of an image of

somebody else that I've projected. Hearing these words, totally normal thing to say. Not going into a personal story, but I want you to know that men are psychos. Men are literally psychos. Yeah, we are not apologizing. Hashtag not all men, but. But especially Jorah. Especially Jorah.

Psycho. You 14 year old girl. I get it. That's psychotic. I feel like, are you sure, bro? Like I thought she was older. She's like a woman, you know? I'm just a girl.

Yeah. Yeah. Show some fucking restraint. Restraint is sexy. I know. She's like, I'm 13, I'm 14. Um. Jesus Christ.

George actually does love writing men who are psychos, though. Like that is a little intentional about him. Yeah, he does. And he wrote a lot of- I do kind of love that. Yeah, he wrote a lot of that love-hate thing back in the day. We examined that in a lot of his short stories, which you can check out on our Patreon. Remembering Melody, forgetting Melody, forgetting Melody Marshall.

Oh my god. Remembering Melody. I was thinking that, like even like Meat Houseman, I will say, dying of the light. One day, clearly. Anyway, but it's like cool to see his evolution on this because like, obviously he's grown as a person as a writer, which is why he makes it so obvious for these things. Like that little finger's a fucking loser, right? Speaking of psychos, actually a psycho dude.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's so gross. Like absolute fucking chills, like and not in a fun way when Jorah says that. Like I feel so bad for Dani and that realization. Like you think you can trust a guy and then they go and they betray you and say something like that. They're supposed to protect you and then you find out, oh, he's creeping on your underage ass. Yeah. And also like she's not, she justifies it, right? We're gonna come into this like immediately here. She justifies it because it's also an emotion you're not used to, especially

when it's new of a man treating you that way. Like, you know, it's almost like borderline love-bomby the way that he sometimes acts, but then also he has that very strong, like, I'm telling you this because I'm older and wiser, but also he's lying to her most of the time within the same next two breaths that he does that. So it's like, he doesn't have her best instincts at mind, he has his best instincts at mind, and how best to manipulate her to cover his ass Yeah, and that comes off a lot like outside of the grossness and generality of it That part is also really like one of the bigger betrayals right like he literally was the first to bow to her

But yet he doesn't respect her as a true ruler or human He sees her as a prize to be won still the the way that he saw Linneus, right? Yeah. And that's why he can't understand like, hey, maybe you should just like fucking apologize because you did something really bad, like in the next book, you know? He's like, why don't you understand? I'm the good guy. I'm a nice guy. And I'm like, bro, are you, you sold people into slavery.

Yeah. And unfortunately, Danny like evolves and learns very quickly over the next books. Yeah. I mean, fortunate for her, not for him. Who knows? Maybe one day he will learn the word accountability, but I don't know. Oh no, absolutely not. I doubt that. He's gonna put the cunt in accountability. Jesus. He's not here either. Okay, so Danny senses Jorah's desire for her, but she does not return it.

His face in her mind keeps turning to Drogo's, her first and perhaps only love. She recalls Mirima's Jorah's prophecy that she will never bear children again and wonders what use she would be as a barren wife, and thinks who could ever rival Drogo. Well, I have some spoilers for you. His dog, no. I was like mud. Frog. Dog.

Oh, that guy, yeah, that too. I just was like dirt, smearing dirt. Locust. Who will win? Drogo or bacterial infection? No. Hearing Jora speak so longingly of Bear Island, Dany resolves to at least give him back his home. That night she dreams of riding dragons with Drogo instead of horses. The next morning,

she orders her blood riders to gather supplies and begin to search for signs of life. Cities, rivers, sea. She sends them off in different directions and when they depart, Dani vows that next time she'll know where they're going." Aw, nice. Okay, I did not know this. Alright, besides wanting Linesse's version, I also want to see Jorah reunite with the women of his family and then I'll be like, bro, what the fuck? And I'll beat him. Sorry, the lipstick isn't funny. But just them, like, kinda, what happened here?

I do love the choice of three, you know, as she sends her blood, right, or sending them on a quest. It even reminds me a little of, you know, Jacob sending someone to be, and going and being like, find me a wife, and then I guess he's like, I found one, but also it's a package deal. Anyways, but just like the whole idea of like sending a messenger kind of fun feels biblical and also especially of course, like that there's three of them, three Magi that, you know, we'll talk about that a little more later too. The end of this chapter, whatever, whatever.

But for some reason, it also reminds me of Tyrion giving out three different plans in regards to like, Myrcella's fate to figure out whom he can trust. Oh, I love that. Yeah, the rule of three following her everywhere, right? And it's just going to get louder when we get into chapter four. A great build up. We got a lot to build up for them. Yeah. That's, they, I don't know, it blows pretty early in this book, but I think there's a second orgasm somewhere in there too. Ah, and this art. In Ves Toloro,

they survive on harvested fruit, and the city's children explore its ruins. Only one woman dies and their horses begin recovering. Danny tends Jorah's infected wound, which has finally begun to heal. What about his fucking mind? When's that gonna heal, bro? I don't know if it means anything that this woman died by a scorpion. I'm like, could be Dorne related, but it could just be like that scorpions in general are very scary. I do think they are because again, a lot of Australia going on here, right? There's a little bit of Australia, I feel like.

We need Glytus for this. A lot of the Southwest too, probably, because like they get scorpions down there, you know, and George has his love for his Santa Fe. Do you get scorpions where you are? I'm not trying to fucking find out. I don't know. Me Googling it. Hold on. I can ask. Oh shit. Most of which are not considered dangerous to humans in Bleep! ElianaVille Bleep! The most common species include a certain kind, okay there are like a few common kinds

near you so like just you know keep an eye out. Forever. Like could I die? No, mostly no. But I mean anyone can die. That's true. Just, you know, keep an eye out. Forever. Like, could I die? No, mostly no. But I mean, anyone can die. That's true, but like, could I die from just the scorpions here? Maybe, but probably not.

Mostly not, it says. I'm gonna medically diagnose you with mostly not. Mostly not. Unlikely. Tragically, you will live. You will be made to live. Dang. They do freak me out though, like the idea of them, they're like sand lobsters, but like meaner.

They also, yeah, they just seem like really aggressive, you know? Like they're not like bees, you know, that are like, I'd rather, I prefer not to. Dirty bugs. Yeah, scorpions feel like they're gonna fight first, you know? Yeah, they do feel that way. I think it's the claws. Mostly the tail. The shape.

Um. The overall shape. I'm feeling, I'm feeling the mummy. The second movie. Oh yeah, yeah, the scarabs, yeah. Oh no, not the scarabs, there's the guy, right? Oh wait, yeah, the scorpion. No, the scorpion king. The scorpion king. The scorpion king, yes, yes scarabs, yeah. Well, oh no, not the scarabs, there is the guy, right? No, the scorpion. No, the scorpion king, the scorpion king.

The scorpion king, yes, yes. Hmm, this'll be a good Night of Nightmares, good, good. Well, Brichero returns first, not dying by scorpion, and he reports the red waste continues endlessly, though he may have seen the bones of something that looked like a giant black dragon. Skeleton. Hmm. Danny assigns him to dig beneath the plaza to try and grow food. Aggo returns next, having found two ruins, one warded by a ring of skulls, the other containing an iron bracelet, and scrolls. Dani sets him to strengthening the gates.

Yeah, so she's having him dig because she's like, oh, maybe we can plant seeds and like, oh, Dani's trying to plant trees. That's set out to me. Again, especially in the context of that final Dani chapter. Dancy? Something to think about. No, do not think about it. This isn't like really anything, but the ring of skulls on spears, I don't know why, it

kind of reminds me of like all that stuff that the Night's Watch is doing out there, especially in like book three. Yeah, absolutely. That ring of the spears. The ring of fire. Yeah, exactly, the ring. It reminds me also of the Golden Company. The heads on spears. Oh, that's right! Yeah,

they're very into that. Maybe, like, that's just the aesthetic out here. Yeah, but it could, like, mean something has been conquered by something, I guess, too. Interesting. Oh, and also a mirror to even, like, end of last book, right? Yeah, Joffrey. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Chapter, we had all the heads on the spikes. Poor Sondra. Septimordane too, I guess, right? Yeah, more like Septimordane. Yeah. Anyways.

Finally, Jogo arrives with three strangers from Carth. Piat Pree, a warlock. Pree! Zaro Zondaxos, a merchant prince. No fun noise for him. And Quaithe of the Shadow. They've come seeking dragons. And we close the chapter with a line from Dany, seek no more, Daenerys Targaryen told them. You have found them. We three kings of Oryaunt are bearing gifts and treasures.

No, that's literally it though. We did it. Yeah, we did it. Last book we had a Mejai or Meiji if you will, and this book we also have Meijai and this is them. The three Meijai. The three of them. And we'll probably talk about them more later.

Oh, that's a good one for a future Patreon episode. Meijai. Oh, for next May. Like March trim. Yeah, think about it. Okay. Are we expanding on these? These fellas? I mean, all May Jai, you know? Okay.

Get witchy with it. Ba-da-ba-ba-da-ba. Warlocky. Oh, yeah. Warlock it. Warlock it. Warlock and pop it. Oh. Warlock it. Warlock it.

We were close to each other there. We were, yeah, yeah. We were in similar each other there. Yeah, yeah. We were in similar, similar lives. You know, would you smush your boo at the Neutral Milk Hotel? They'll ask us. Know your boo. I do love Neutral Milk Hotel. I know you do.

Okay. That's why I know my boo. Is it showing up on my Spotify again? No, not again. Is that live? But I just know you do. Okay. I've seen it in your Spotify before.

Oh my god. In the not-a-canon blend, well, I don't really have real thoughts besides the biblical nature and building of a messiah, building an ark of Dani becoming this fucking legend, right? This legend that trailed blood in her wake, whether it's her own people, her own blood, or others' blood in like, the Dragon Queen of Slaver's Bay, right? Like, I feel like getting to the end of Dance and the image of Dani from the outside, but knowing what's within, within the warmth of the shells of the egg, like what's been simmering beneath the surface is so good. I don't know, I'm very excited about Clash because I feel like Karth is so ethereal and fucked up and weird and there's all sorts

of like, it's totally Dani as a protagonist in a video game, in a weird magical video game where you're doing weird magical shit for no reason or for some reason and she's going through it and getting all these haunting prophe prophecies and having to like speak to the NPCs that have secrets and riddles and magic and poison and evil within them and choosing the right thing. I don't know, it's very good. It's like a telltale game layered with like a 90s RPG. So good. Yeah. I feel, you know, we'll talk about it more in the following chapters. Kart's absolutely gonna fucking come back. I hope it does because I actually am the rare- we're the rare pair Karth appreciators, I think.

I strongly believe, I believe. I live in a household with a Karth hater, so... I go to bed every night in a bed with a Karth hater. It's fucked up. Not giving light bringers. It's fucked up. Not giving lightbringer. It's giving, thank god he's cute. It's not giving lightbringer. It's not giving lightbringer.

Yeah, I don't know, there's something great too about like, Karth being this, like, being the mystery box McGuffin that if you focus too much on it, you lose the plot, right? And that's where like if she could linger there forever. And it's the same question that's posed to her like, you know, in the first book, you could go to the mountains and be with the other Dashkhalin and that's your place. That's where you will live forever. That's where your destiny is. But a voice echoing and saying, no, you are the dragon, be the dragon.

And now this book, she has those close moments of like, I could build a home here in Vase to Loro. I could look into the House of the Undying and see all these horrific but also magnificent and wondrous things. And I could linger there peering into the crystal ball of life or the glass candle of life forever and get lost in the memories of the ancient, ancient ancestors of mine or the not so ancient, the not so distant ancestors I've never known and like try to hold the smoke of magic within my palms.

But like the magic dribbles out of your palms, right? And you're left with nothing at the end and you never lived your life. Like what was the point of wasting it away in these halls of prophecy when you could live? And I think that her being faced with that and that choice to turn around and have to go on, that's so good. Of all that, and I mean even here in the Red Base, she's like, I don't know, I guess we could live here in Base Tolerow. Yeah, we can make it work.

We could, yeah, she's like, we could make it work if we gotta, but they don't. They've just been exiled into the wilderness. Again, part of that biblical stuff, their little exodus. Cast out. Before they eventually, you know, the promised land is of course, the promised land is Westeros. Yeah. How do we get there? And what happens when the promised land might be a lie? Book six! Where are you? Book seven! Even book six!

Under your tree. I'm waiting out for eight and nine, so... A word, real. Worm. Yeah, worm. Well, her worm is their law. Her worm is their... Her worm was their law. More like her worm.

W-Y-R-M. Wow. Wow. Same. Same. Thanks, everyone. This has been really an episode. We'll try to be...

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Like, you can still listen to radio. But I've been one of your hosts, Chloe. And I've been another one of your hosts, Eliana. Goodbye. You know what I've been thinking? Know what? Of watching again sometime, Sleepless in Seattle, speaking of radio. I guess you've been watching a different Seattle radio show, Frazier.

Yeah, I always love Frazier. Do you think they take place in the same world, Sleepless in Seattle and Frazier, in the same cinematic universe? Honestly, now I kind of do. Yeah, I think they do too. Hmm. Goodbye. Bye.