Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 254 — ACOK Daenerys III

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

Daenerys wastes a lot of money and for what. --------- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon reads a Song of Ice and Fire, Episode 254, Daenerys III, and a Clash of Kings. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. We're still in Qarth. Things are heating up this summer. Heatin' up, baby! I always feel like I have spoilers to the next episode, because I usually have outlines done in advance, right? Like, I've reread them a little sooner. I get like that immense little pleasure from getting to like get into it quickly and then be like, Eliana, your document, your outline is ready

for you. Go look at it. Spoilers for the reread podcast that everyone has read. Exactly. I'm just a little ahead is all I'm saying of our reread. It's more intimate. Not everyone has the same read style together, you know? That's true. Okay. But I am a little ahead because we're having a threesome next week. And what I'm ahead on, I'm like, my head is whirling. I'm in the house of the undying right now So I need to get back to this chapter with you, but I just want you to know next week's gonna be real real It's gonna be It's gonna be a very good chapter George really did a great job on that one. Have you ever thought about George did a great job

Good job. It's a really great job on this. George! He did- dude, he killed it! George really met all his KPIs this, uh, for this next chapter. Yeah, well, we're gonna tell you about that guest, but first, a reminder that the Patreon episode for patrons in the Stranger tier and above, that's the $5 and up tier, they get access to bonus episodes every single month. And this month we have a guest, we haven't had a Patreon episode guest in a while. And this one's no stranger to the podcast. It's our dear friend Ara, who is coming on to talk about Catching Fire, part one, the book with us and I'm sure there will be a spoilery discussion on some of the implications of Catching Fire on the prequel series that has been coming out that

Eliana is catching up on. Catching up on Catching Fire. Ha! Sorry. Catching Fire upon. Oh god. Yes, Catching Upon Fire. You can catch this episode at the end of the month with Aura. And to get that, go to patreon.com slash girls gone canon, C-A-N-O-N. We will be covering the rest of Catching Fire throughout the year on our Patreon. And of course, we'll get into Mockingjay eventually. This was one of our long term projects and we just want you to see our commitment we

are committing to this one. Right here, here, right now. We commit to you. Yes, we are. We are. And I guess we have other projects too that will probably be continuing at some point this year. For example, the Books of Dust. Folding in Dorne. Oh, that. Books of Dust. We have more time on the Dorne one, okay? They moved. Free cities.

We have more time on the Dorn one, okay? They moved. Free cities. I guess the free cities one is actually coming up on us fast. Yeah. No it isn't, I'm feeling more inspired about it lately. Like, the Braavos of it all, the Volantis of it all. There's a lot to come with Girls Gone Cannon. There's enough content to fire this baby another decade. To catching fire this baby another decade. To catching fire this baby another decade. Jesus, uh, you know, that that man I married, uh, we had our anniversary. I thought

you had Jesus. And I was like, what are we talking about? I was like, Jesus, I did marry Jesus. Did Chloe? Long ago. We divorced, but. I was like, did Chloe recommit herself to like Christianity or something? Did I miss this big life change? Real Phoenician scheme of me. Um, that's a topical joke Okay, for the culture unlike me I've seen the movies. The culture! It was alright. I gave it a three and a half. Oh word.

But still good like not bad but good. Okay. You know the man that I married since it's been our four-year anniversary We keep saying four more years. Oh He gets four more years and then we find out what happens after that with him I don't know. I don't know what happened. We went on like a trip We went on a trip and on the trip for our cute little anniversary trip We kept telling people that.

Some people laughed, some were like, huh. Like what? What do you think's gonna happen after that to him? What's gonna happen? Anything could happen. Um, stay on this podcast and find out. Eliana and I, 10 more years. 10 more years.

How long have we been doing? Since 2018? Too long. We're almost at- Yeah, well 2017. What? I thought we started in 2018. I mean, We're almost at... Yeah, well 2017. What? I thought we started in 2018. I mean, I guess like... Was Dunkin' Egg 2018? I guess Dunkin' Egg was probably 2017.

Man. Technically it's 2017. I don't even know anymore. It's probably 2017. Old... old broads. Very old broads. Thanks for being here with these young old broads. Eliana, what's up with Brunch? Brrap, brrap. Brrap, um, yes. So, if you join the Thundertear and above on Patreon, you get access to even more goodies such as our Patreon Discord, where once a month we have Brunch slash Happy Hour, Brappy Hour, and this month it's going to be on June 29th. Woo woo, what what, yeah yeah.

Yeah. I'm really excited about that. We're gonna have a pool party? We should do karaoke. That was a joke, we're not having a pool party. We should have a pool party with karaoke. That could be interesting. How would that work?

That could be interesting with our everyone's audio quality, including my own. Oh my god. I only asked because I did karaoke by myself at lunch today to Wicked for like four songs and then some lame-es and then I was like, all right, I should probably work the rest of the day. That's me every day. Maybe not karaoke. I don't know what we'll do. We'll find out.

I did invite you to my birthday, which I'm planning on. Maybe it'll be karaoke, so. Yeah, it could still happen, especially because you said it's not on your birthday. I have plans on your exact birthday, but I don't have plans a week after your birthday yet, so. Yeah, and I think that seems to be the case for you. It could happen. It could happen, I mean, it could happen. We'll see. You were invited. Not all of you, the listeners. Just Chloe, sorry. I'll let you know what happens, listeners. I'll give you the inside source. Inside source. Well, we did invite someone next week.

Oh my god, an inside source indeed. This is so exciting. A good friend, a dear friend. We have not had them on our podcast, but we've always we've been on their Podcast their their youtube channel. We've hung out with them. We've come to their house We knew this great day would come where they would come to our home Our house, it's gray area. It's gray area In our house of the undying Our house And our house of the undying our house. Wow. This is what Girls Gone Cannon is about right here.

Holy shit synergy. Yeah, great area, baby. Come into the the Girls Gone Cannon home. Coming out to the house of the undying. We're doing it live at the House of the Undying. It's not live. No, we're not doing acid. We're literally not all doing acid. We're not all doing acid. And yes, this has been actually, I don't remember if she picked this chapter years ago, but

I know that she picked this POV years ago. So I'm very excited that we're finally here. It's finally happening. Our plans are measured in centuries. They actually kind of are, all right? Like, the people, they pick their favorite character in POV and you know what? You just have to wait until we get there. And at long last, it is time.

I'm excited to have Grey on because not only is she just like very smart, she's got such a good head also for this magical stuff that like I do not, you know, some of the insights that she's had, especially like with the House of the Dragon and the Targaryens and the way that magic fits into their storyline and prophecy, like I'm just we're really gonna benefit from having her here. Yeah it is a perfect perfect guest for the penultimate clash episode and then I believe the next week is our last Clash of Kings Dany chapter and after that we're taking a week off before Storm, getting our shit together before we

storm the swords your way. Very excited though. Danny Storm is some really some magnetic writing. Very fun. What a fun character. Nothing but arcs. Crazy that this is ending so soon, but so excited we'll have Grey on to take us to the end here up to.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she'll take us all the end here up to. Yeah, I mean I'm sure she'll take us all the way to the end as well because the nice thing about the House of the Undying is also it's prophetic. So this is your little, your little prophecy about what's happening next week. Wow. Wow. We got some emails and tweets of note. Actually this is a very fun one. This is good. We got some emails and tweets of note. Actually this is a very fun one. This one's good. We got this great podbean comment from our friend thunderclap and this one is actually

a song. Demon road, take me home, to the place I belong. Vastal rack, mother of mountains, take me home. Demon roads. Wow. It's beautiful. Incredible. You'll figure that out in the post edit, hopefully.

I will. We wouldn't be doing you justice, Thunderclap, if we didn't sing it, you know? That feels important to us. It is a- is this the song of Ice and Fire? Oh my god. Kind of an unhinged comment in a way, but like in a way that I loved. Yes, I was very- It's like my favorite kind of comment. Excited about it. I was like, oh my god, Chloe. As soon as we got it.

You said that and I was like, it's already in the outline for the week. I already caught the, the second I got that comment on my phone and a push notification, I was like, that's going in the dock. Um, crap, crap. We got another comment this time on Apple podcasts, which it doesn't always, it doesn't always show us the international ones on something. So like we have to go like a different way to find them, but it's fine. We're resourceful.

It is, and also I'm just happy to get in and to see it, and this one, they call those funny and smart, which, oh my god, it's so true. That's very kind. Thank you. Thank you, Grizzly Meadows of Canadia. I'm like, wow, also, what about the intelligence and wit that one too? Yeah, yeah, that's in that's in this. So they said in Grizzly Meadows says, if I could get my friends into my favorite book series, all British spelling with no ending. And to speculate about where it's going and what it all means, I hope it would be analysis to this level of intelligence and wit. Great voices, heh.

Unoccasional guess. Great timing and good opinions. Thank you. Subjective, but I'll let it slide. Favorite book series with no ending. Real? Thank you. Thank you. I especially am thankful because you did this and it made Aliana happy. She got her comment to read. Yeah. Maybe the happy ending is Chloe and my friendship. Not all of you. Not all the other friends you made along the way just just us.

glossing over that. Thank you, Grizzly Meadows. We really appreciate you. We hope you're hanging in there and enjoying the podcast. You can leave a five star review as well. You can also leave other star reviews. No, you just we recommend a five star review. No, you can't. It's just we recommend a five star review. Thank you for rating. Thank you for writing. We got an email from our friend Lo.

We actually talked about Lo last week, but Lo sent an email and a quick notes version. Really enjoyed Danny to a Clash of Kings, especially the Carthage-Carth comparison. It made me think of the line, Carthage must be destroyed. Now I want someone like Tyrion or Barristan to say something like that, but about Carth in the books. Also loved the bit about Carth's twin powers, magic and money. It reminds me of Six of Crows, ooh I love Six of Crows, and Catterdam, where capitalism is basically a god but magic is real too,

and Parallels Braavos in some ways. Both magical, mercantile, and Amsterdam-inspired, George clearly loves exploring how power shapes society. P.S. as I wrote to Chloe on Discord recently, I appreciated the very subtle hint at my future guest appearance on a certain podcast. Dun dun dun! It is out. I was talking about Notacast.

I think everyone knew that though. I think we hit it really well, but clearly it was talking about Notacast. It's happening soon though. It's recording this week. They're recording. You all will be listening to this on a Friday and they're recording it the day after that. Thank you, thank you Lo.

I don't know why my head of Tucker must die, her Carthage must be destroyed. Oh my god, John Tucker must die. So different. I love that movie. Yes, exciting stuff. Thank you everyone for your words. You know where to send them. We'll tell you at the end of the episode though. Holding, holding those links hostage.

Here's what we missed between Danny 2 and Danny 3, starting with Bran 4. In the Godswood, Myra and Jojen talk about Bran's greensight. Later, Luwin tells Bran no man has greensight. What's the truth? That's okay, because he's a boy. Tyrion VII. Lancelaw wakes Tyrion for the Queen, who wants Pycelle to go free, and Jocelyn Bywater be arrested. Tyrion blackmails him into being his spy. Jocelyn.

Jocelyn. Jocelyn. Arya VII. Jocelyn. Arya VII. Jocyn. Jessalyn. I'm gonna go with a little Bob's Burgers. Arya 7. Jessalyn. Arya 7.

A familiar friend offers Arya three wishes. She uses her first on Chisit. Catelyn 3. Catelyn tries to make Renly and Stannis play nice, but instead gets held hostage to witness their battle. Sansa 3. Brab's victories mean Sansa's terrors in the throne room. Tyrion stops the horror, offering her his protection, but she refuses. Catelyn IV. In the Sept, Catelyn sees the light. Eddard and Jon Arryn died for the truth of Cersei's incest and Bran suffered for it too. She

proposed as a great council but instead Renly is slain by a shadow. Womp. John 4. At the fist of the first men, Ghost is a good boy, yes he's such a good boy, who's a good boy? Ghost, you're a good boy. And he leads John to a cache of dragging glass. Nice. Bran. Those improv, you know, improv comedy on the podcast. Bran five, Bran's green dreams begin to come true, but no one will believe him. Yes. And Tyrion eight, Tyrion proposes a new Alliance for the crown.

House Tyrell. Interesting. Theon 3. Threon. The taste of an easy victory at the Stony Shore leaves Theon wanting Daeddeh's approval even more, and so he lays out a new plan. Daeddeh? Daeddeh. I gotta go. I gotta leave. Threod.

What the fuck is wrong with you? C-3PO? Arya 8. No, I'm 11, so shut the fuck up. Uhhhh. Ahem. Arya 8. At Harrenhal, Arya names Lys as her second wish but feels regret when she realizes Tywin was right there.

Yeah, real. Catelyn V. Catelyn returns without an alliance. Hoster mistakes Catelyn for Lysa. Catelyn receives her husband's bones. She'd rather be getting her husband... ...boned. Why are you this way? We can't all be good at improv, Chloe. Yes, and that brings us to Daenerys III and a clash of kings. In Carth, Daenerys faces major disappointments to her campaign for first female president

of the entire world. That actually is just like an exaggeration, a hyperbolization for like, laughter. It's not what's happening this chapter. But we open with Daenerys, who is concealed within a curtained, draped palanquin, away from dust and heat, and most of all, away from carthine eyes. Jogo shouts, make way for the Mother of Dragons, and Zarozo and Daxos pour wine into jade gold goblets for them. He says that he senses a deep sadness on her face, perhaps the sadness of a lost dream?

Maybe and she responds, a dream delayed. No more. So far, Daenerys feels pretty disappointed in Kars. She's like, you know, it's better than starving, but like, it probably falls short of her expectations of the greatest city on earth, especially when it comes to their generosity and willingness to invest in her campaign. It makes me feel that this is a little bit of a taste of what it's going to be like when she arrives to Westeros. I'm pretty sure she's gonna feel disappointed in Westeros. And, totally lightly. Most people are disappointed in America. I mean in Westeros. That's true, that's true.

We're seeing some great setup for the way that her storyline goes and the decisions she's going to make in terms of her rulership and how she approaches it later on. For example, there's a contrast here between how she's treated with all this luxury, right? She's in this palanquin being carried or carted around

and separated slash hidden, right, from the people of Carth. Whereas later on we see that she makes it a point to ride amongst them, to be seen by them, to, you know, they touch her, things like that, right? Instead of like the whole making way people part and like surround her. That's a part of how she feels connected to the people that she rules. There's something else here that kind of stood out to me of the way that like this line is phrased, you know, she talks about like a dream delayed,

but I can't tell if George is trying to make a reference to Langston Hughes' poem, Harlem, Here or Not, which opens with the line of what happens to a dream deferred, which is regarding the American dream and inequality and discrimination and how that dream is out of reach for many, especially due to race. Langston Hughes writing a lot about what it's like to be a Black American and how that also lends itself to themes that are explored, for example, in A Raisin in the Sun, which is named for a line also in this poem. I guess we might as well read the whole poem. It's pretty brief of what happens to a dream deferred.

Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun, or fester like a sore, and then run? Does it stink like rotten meat or crust and sugar over like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or does it explode? And so, I don't know, I guess it could be argued that there are themes in this poem that could overlap with themes in Dani's storyline, especially with like aspects of slavery, but I don't know. It might be what George is going for here. And if it is, I don't know how I feel about him doing that. Just gonna be real in this context. It might not be a reference to it, but also it might be, just because

of Daenerys also then feeling discomfort with the collar that's around her neck, right? And of course, collars are often used as a symbol of slavery. A lot of her plot is enriched with different levels of slavery in different places and cultural expectations of it too, right? I don't know, I don't, um, it's funny that you say that, right? And like, you think back, I think it was Danny, one of our first couple Danny chapters, we had a friend, Megan, send an email in talking about how they thought Tired by Langston Hughes was very a-swaffy. So it wouldn't surprise me if George did think about a lot of Langston Hughes while very a-swaffy, so it wouldn't surprise me if George did think about a lot of Langston Hughes while writing any of this.

Yeah. I don't know why, but it just makes me feel like, I don't know how I feel about George. I think, I don't know, I guess like I just attribute so much to this poem. I don't know how to explain it. It's just like maybe a personal misgiving, I think. Because like I think it's a really important poem and I'm like, I don't know about you using it for this, George. That's all.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know if he did. I don't know that he did either. He might not have, so then it doesn't mean anything the way that I feel. So yeah. Yeah. Interesting, yeah.

It means something. It just means something else. Maybe! Crazy bitch. No. I'm interesting though'm- I'm- Interesting though, because it is similar language, right? And I also think it's interesting that she like has this very desire to like oppose Zaro immediately.

Even like before hearing it, she already knows she's gonna like talk back to him on it because she thinks she has him figured out. And she does, to most of an extent but I really like that snappiness of like yeah it's a dream delayed like don't fucking take that and run to the press no need for you to take that and run around with that message of oh she's mad and now she's going to start a war and maybe we could use that you know yeah she's not mad right now she's just sad and he's like why are you sad it's like god can't a girl have emotions? Maybe that's also something that it's very evocative of too, right? You know, as a female ruler, she does have to play with those lines as well.

Yeah. She needs to not overreact because when you overreact, it's like then magnified 10 times. That's also true. I don't know. I wonder if it's like the same case in Carthornaught, right? Because they want her to over overreact? Apparently that's civilized? They're like, you should have cried. Well, it feels like false emotions, right? Like these are false things. These are not true things that they're beholding as we see throughout the next couple chapters. This place is false. It's very false. It's like false gold. Right? It's interesting because there's a lot in this chapter that I'm going gonna bring up as we go that reminds me of like seeds for Aegon, right? Where moments where Dany is doing a certain thing and Aegon will be a complete contrast to her and the way

he does something and it makes me think of You know fool's gold, which is what Aegon really is, right? Beneath the fool's gold Bittersteel, what do you think about it? The fool's gold. So it's yeah, boo-boo the fool's gold. Bittersteel, what do you think about it? Buh-buh the fool's gold. Yeah, Buh-buh the fool's gold. Exactly, exactly. But there's something about Karth that gives that, right? It's fake, it's shiny plastic, etc. So something really interesting is it starts to lay some of these seeds and things to look out for. Yeah. Dani wears a gift from Zaro, like you mentioned, a silver collar with a poison-protecting amethyst

in its center. It's chafing her. Again, we get it, the symbolism. She unfastens it, flings it aside, and thinks the Pureborn were known for poisoning the wine of those they thought dangerous, but they hadn't even given Dani a cup of water. She feels bitter. She thinks that they see her as an amusement, as a horse girl with a curious pet." That's cuter than it should be, that

line. Yeah. A horse girl with a curious pet. I know that it's not positive for her, but there are a lot of girls in our world today that would like to be known that way. I agree. I agree. And not everyone has the wealth to be a horse girl, you know? And also, yeah, that's pretty weird that they didn't even offer water. Like, my god, the lack of hospitality. It's like so bureaucracy dressed up in jewels, right? Like, walking through a whole entire queue, a whole entire line just to get a whole other set of lines. And that's literally what the maze is the next day. And it's like chasing your tail forever and ever and nothing's going to happen when the whole time you could have been making it happen yourself.

Yeah, so stingy. Leaving you high and dry for real. Don't leave her high. Don't leave her dry. Well. Don't leave her hair. Okay. We've been getting really musical lately. Um, Raegol hisses from her bare shoulder and digs into her.

My cats do this a lot, especially sometimes to that man. And it sucks because sometimes they do this to that man and it's not nice where they do it and I'm like, you can't do that. You know? You gotta think about, yeah, they don't know, they don't know. Yeah and she handles it really well though. She does. Yeah she shifts uh, Rhaegul to another shoulder because she's wearing, you know, a one shoulder piece but way more dramatic because she also got a titty out as the Carthenes do. That is how we're recording every one of these episodes. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, it's not. Don't imagine us that way, please.

Imagine me wrapped in a blanket right now because I'm chilly and it's a Raymon t-shirt. That's how you should imagine me. So Denarius in a lot of this chapter is learning the trappings of power and we'll dig into that a little bit more. But for now we've got a we got a little fashion hour of what that means. Yes. Flowing green samite with one breast bared, silvered sandals on her feet and a belt of black and white, pearls above her waist. Wow, wearing waistbeats. Fashionable, Dani.

Oh my god. Yeah, belly chain. Love that. Belly chain. Ooh, go girl. So hip. Go. So hip.

Don't imagine us like that. You know teenagers with their style. It could happen one day, but just not today. Yeah, not today. Samai is, well, it first like grows to its relevancy in the 12th century. It was an import of Venetian import. And it was another one, just like you talked about Carthage last week, brought to Europe thanks to the Crusades.

It's a very kind of complex fabric if we're gonna think about real like costuming think like Sansa's wedding dress is somewhat evocative of it. It's more of like a very heavy Damascus jacquard, but it's somewhat similar It's a heavy pure silk. It's like a hundred percent silk. It has a satin like shine finish it originated in Middle East, Iran, Syria, came to life kind of in the Byzantine and the Arab Uprising, like we said, and it's a compound twill. It uses two separate warp structures to create a patterned fabric and like come together as one.

People sometimes embellish it with like foil, thread, and fabric to like make it sparkle. Often you'd see like designs woven into it, like a motif, like an ad rotellus, wheels, squares with a symbolic animal in the center. And it is like a class signifier because you didn't just have this. In the 1400s, René-Avangieux actually banned the urban middle class from wearing finery, like basically anything that made you have a pretension of looking like you were royal or aristocratic, like crowns, heavy metal or fine metals, semi-precious textiles and fabrics, like that was banned. They were like, no, you cannot, yeah, right, You couldn't have a tiara. Crazy, crazy shit. So really interesting. It's super time consuming to

make. It's super luxurious. You have to have an insane amount of harnesses on a loom to make this. Like I, I don't remember how many, but I know you need more than like six or so. Like you need a lot of harnesses to bring all of this together. It takes a while and it's obviously not very much around today, not often something someone would make today, but very interesting. I think that, like, it's used often in the book. Sansa's wedding dress in... I guess? Soon. Like, in the next book. Sansa's wedding dress later is made of it. It's used pretty often in different, like, women outfits in the book that George describes, so interesting that like that really shows you what's available for the upper class in Westeros and for trade.

And then the black-white beads I really liked because it kind of is playing with that duality of her time here. What she stands for and how she gets it right piappree or Zaro piappree or Zaro the two choices kind of facing her. And I also like it because it connects to the door we see the ebony and ivory weirwood door in the house of the undying similar to the house of black and white door. in the House of the Undying, similar to the House of Black and White door. So kind of curious about those connections. Maybe we'll explore that with Grey next week. Very true about the choice that she's making right now. These are the two people courting her, and then Quaithe comes in and she's just like, yeah, here's some more riddles, and yeah.

Turns out that we find out later on, third thing just fuck shit up that's the choice it's a fun choice it's a good choice so Teniris drinks deeply reflecting on the day the pureborn descendants of Karth's ancient royalty commanded the civic garden fleet and resources that she sought to gain an audience she made made the customary offerings, a bribe to the keeper of the long list, a persimmon to the opener of the door, and was rewarded with blue silk slippers, the traditional token granting entry to the Hall of a Thousand Thrones to plead her case." This is like convoluted questline. It's total NPC shit they're sending requests. They're like, bring us this thing, this thing. We have this little passage though of,

The chairs were immense, fantastically carved, bright with goldwork, and studded with amber, onyx, lapis, and jade, each one different from all the others, and each striving to be the most fabulous. Yet the men who sat in them seemed so listless and world-weary that they might have been asleep. They listened, but they did not hear or care, she thought. They are milkmen, indeed. They never meant to help me.

They came because they were curious. They came because they were bored. The dragon on my shoulder interested them more than I did." I love the different things she had to take around, like the persimmon. It's kind of, I know the persimmon is seen as a Buddhist symbol of transformation, right? I think it's like the eightfold path of transformation, but there's a lot of great folklore, like Korean folklore of the tiger and the persimmon and tons of

fun stories of persimmon. I feel like it's somewhere in the, it's not in the Bible, it's somewhere else. There's other good folklore. Yeah, I like, I don't know. Take a read, take a read. Yeah. Scriptures state though, that if you plant a persimmon tree from a seed, it will result in small fruit where grafting a branch would produce more superior fruit in the trees. Like many things in nature, so- Did not know. Interesting to see that. Did not know.

Interesting. Fruit symbolism. I also love these little chairs, these carved chairs. Many probably subscribe it to, you know, some of the previous emperors, you know, and their colors, all the different emperors that there have been. I don't really get into all that, Laura, I don't really hear about it, but. Yeah. It's interesting, like, what, I don't know, we know about, I guess, the pure-born, because,

I don't know we know about I guess the pure born because I don't know they don't seem like yeah super important in some ways right like we don't. So they're they're so withheld that it also makes me think like we would see them again or maybe they were just like not that important but their name also stands out to me because it reminds me of like the 1993 letter and how the others and like the whatever were also called like the Neverborn back then. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I also feel like, so they seem to be like the bureaucracy. Yeah. Right. They are the rulers. They're the ones that like they are keeping their throne, which is difficult. So you start to see like, that's kind of very funny, right? They sent her on this fucking ridiculous quest to keep her busy because they're like, oh keep that foolish child busy. In Marine we get kind of that follow-up from Zaro with Dani, right? Following all that he kind of had he had gone to beg for her life

he says from the pureborn. I had, I think he told Egon, Amoros, that Danny was no more than a child. He replied she was a foolish child mad and heedless and too dangerous to live. So they do come back, but we don't, we don't see much of them later. This is it. Yeah. So I don't know, I feel like I feel like they could come back at some point. I just don't know when. Yeah. Um, and I don't know like in what capacity either. Part of burning Carth down maybe, who knows. Or an uprising where they no longer rule Carth.

Yeah, also I don't know, I like how she's like, they are milkmen indeed. And I'm like, man don't talk about the milk like that. Also there's something also I think here in regards to some of the themes that we see in the book regarding like pureborn slash trueborn, right? Versus like the whole, is this person in air? Are they not being bastards at being like a trueborn Targaryen, right? And like how they were so worried about the purity of their bloodline back then, but... There's something in there. There is something in there.

There's something here, thematically, but I don't know yet. Let me think about it more. All sorts of eugenics desire out in the Middle East. Yeah, it makes me kind of wonder, like, were they also doing weird incest shit, the pure-born? I don't know. Maybe that's why they're so listless. They're all bored. They're all just bored. Who cares about it? Yeah, like vampires, right? Like it does remind me a little bit of like, vampiric. Yeah. And we hear they're like, nightwalkers and shit in the east, so who knows? Who knows? Zaro draped in sympathy. Floral sympathy, if you will. He's very like, oh, Danny, please tell me what happened that they rejected you so.

Give me the recap, spill the tea, girl. And Danny does. She tells him, the pureborn refused me very politely. He's like, well, did you cry? And she's like, the dragon does not weep. He insists she should have cried. The carthene, like Chloe, weep easily and it is seen as civilized behavior. Thank you." Hmm. It's civilized. And so, I don't know. It's kind of funny when you think about

it. Is that why, like, later on, I don't know, we'll get there. We'll get there in like a few paragraphs. But we have all these ceremonies that Daenerys has to perform, right? All these different quest lines in order to just like be palatable. And it's kind of sad, like even in order to be considered just a person, right, because of the way that class works here and Karth apparently. And she had to do it with the Dothraki, right? Like they made her jump through so many hoops. You have to go be able to ride a horse.

You have to like sit here, accept all these gifts on behalf of your husband. You're not even, you're still not even really a person though, because you're just a wife. And so many performances, and it's just like not even the trappings of power, right? Like it's just the trappings of humanity to be taken seriously when you make an appeal to your governing body here in Karth.

And I think she's gonna get tired of it, right? Because like over and over, she goes through all the rites and all the ceremonies. And what does she fucking get for it? She gets, okay, great. Um, now we're going to bring you to vase Dothraki and you're going to just go be a crone. And she's like, I don't want to be with a 30 year old, old women.

And she's like, I don't want to fucking hag max with them. I'm like, it's fun. Oh my God. It's fun. Or the Carthene, right? The pure born being like, well, thanks for everything that you did and for all these bribes, but like, fuck off. So I wouldn't be surprised.

Like, you know, and she does't even, in Asipore, and there she's finally like, I'm putting my fucking foot down, fuck this shit. She tries to play by some of the rules as well in Meereen, and still gets none of the respect, right? None of, still has to deal with all these issues of being taken seriously as a ruler, so I wouldn't be surprised if by the time she arrives to Westeros, even though she is learning about all these trappings of power, she goes, I'm done with it! Like, who fucking cares? What has it gotten me? I have dragons. What have I performed and jumped through all these hoops for? Nothing. Yeah, absolutely. And I would even take it almost a step further as we start get ready.

Get ready! As we start to kind of like throughout this chapter you start to see that like Danny's been a trophy before for for Illyrio, for Drogo, like she's been the trophy already. She knows about it. She's still grappling with that and in this chapter she's starting to really come to that. And playing this game repeatedly over and over again throughout her art, throughout her plot, every single book, now compared to her coming to Westeros and her allying with some of the outcasts, right? Allying with the North, the North who doesn't have the same values as maybe some of the very strong alliances again might have in the reach.

Right not saying all reach houses but a lot of that is like not all reach houses they just happened to have. You know some some high standards they're seen as preferring finery so it starts to break apart that Danny who is choosing. finery. So it starts to kind of break apart that Danny, who is choosing the North, who has more in common maybe with like the Dothraki and the Northern Clans than maybe they would with the rest of Westeros, then with Aegon and his knights and his performance, and Danny choosing the North and their cultural alignment also, but also like a little bit chasing prophecy, chasing magic, chasing her history The power itself in the north right the north is magical I mean, it's one of those places that you would go with snow falling on the ground and look around and go wow

There's some sort of magic here. It's calm. It's beautiful It's fucking cold let alone what we know that like there literally are magical things happening up there right beyond the wall near the wall far near the wall, far the wall, wherever you are the wall. And kind of like, Aegon embracing the titles, the material things, having those trappings of power that are very material things, and what these symbols mean to each ruler, right? For Dany, it's blood and fire, it's magic and home. For Aegon, it's wearing a crown, it's waving a sword. It's having people tell him he's king and tell him that they love him. Dani, it's security, it's making those things happen herself, it's independence.

So I think it's really interesting to think about how she might come to the North and what her ideals might be and values might be at the time of Aegon ruling and reigning. I really like that point. I haven't really thought about it, but you're right, she's going to probably choose the North in a way that's not just, you know, I mean, the ritual might reject her for other reasons, partially because they're like, oh, fuck, we already bet on this other horse. But yeah, I think that's a really good point. And also, as you said, what about the people, the giant dogs?

I think that she will really like the giant dogs, too. Yeah. And I mean, you were talking about how the Reach is prioritizing all these like material things, these symbols and how Aegon, yeah, they're all like, oh, well, he'll have the sword. But the penis, the sword, the crown. Oh, true. The penis, the most important of the symbols. I forgot.

Also, it's I mean, it's a little Stannis-esque, you know? Even though Stannis tried to have the symbol with the sword, she's going to the north because, as you said, there's the magic there. She's going to do what she thinks she's supposed to do as a ruler. She's going to protect her people and the kingdom. And also, she's gonna be like, wow, there's this really hot guy who goes down and like, it's, he came down. What is with you and the going down lately? Do we need to have an intervention? Do we need to talk about the oral sex? It's part of his, like, it's canonically part of like his character and storyline. Like I didn't do it, George did. And like, I can't help that George wrote that. So good job, George.

Really great job with the KPIs this quarter. And... That's not true. Remove that. That's not true. But yeah, I mean- Not hitting a single one, Eliana, not a single one. It will also be interesting for her to choose the North because I am curious what their troops will be like at this time, because they've been fighting this war the whole time, whereas the Reach is very, they're much fresher. Yeah, greener. Yes, greener in many, many ways. Yeah, but the North is seasoned.

Yeah, and it'll just also be interesting for them to pick the North too, and she'll be like, hey guys, nice to meet all of you. Here's my friend, Jorah Mormont. Oh, you guys know each other? And everyone's like, yeah, he's a loser. This is awkward. We hate him. So.

Oh, god. LS- It's not a good symbol, now that I think about it. Anyways. VB- No. Things are not gonna be great. LS- Trapping's a not power. VB- That's what Jorah's leaving off at the end. At the end of this chapter, Jorah's leaving out the part where everyone hates him. When they come back to Westeros. He's like, It won't look good when you come back to Westeros with all these foreigners

and you're a foreigner and you're fucking big beasts. And also me. Yeah, trappings of the loser. And also me. So. I'm gonna fucking cry. Well good, because that's what Zarozo and Doxo says to do, right? Though not Carthian himself, he knew their customs and guided Dany on whom to bribe and

howl and he tells her, weep, weep for the treasury of men. But Dany would sooner weep for her wasted gold, which like, honestly, relatable. Real. Yeah, I fucking love money. It's so terrible. The bribes that he had paid though, like, were a lot. It's actually like so real, it's just like taxes. Um, they could have paid for like a ship or hired sellswords. She asked jokes about sending Jorah to go take the gifts back and Zaro is like, I wouldn't joke about

that because a sorrowful man, you know, an assassin who whispers apologies as he kills you would come for you in the night. Oh, just an assassin who whispers apologies as he kills you, would come for you in the night. Oh, just an assassin." EZ. And then there's this great quote, and kind of reminds me of the lore of the Iron Bank of Braavos, right, all the stuff they say about the Iron Bank. But they say, "'It is wisely said that it is easier to milk the stone cow of pharaohs than to ring gold from the pureborn." Implying this is difficult. Yes. I don't know, this kind of reminds me of Pharoah killing Kevin.

Interesting. A sorrowful man, an assassin who whispers apologies as he kills. Oh, okay. I want to be surprised. Like, do you think that maybe he was a sorrowful man? I don't know. Maybe maybe he learned. I mean Arya is learning some sorts of magical things and she is a different kind of assassin. Maybe Varys learned there. I don't know. I mean I could see it. I think he's had like a really, you know, long resume. Yeah, colorful like job history. He's got a lot of diverse work experience.

He's a generalist. Don't ask him about the gap. Yeah, the career gap. And the career gap is when he was an assassin. Joking. That would obviously be on his resume. Yeah, really useful skills, you know, top 10 hiring techniques that you can use for this. Yeah, I mean, it does go back really far because I guess he was like,

he was a child laborer, basically, too, right? So fuck. Yeah. Well, you think of like some of the counterparts in the story to him in a lot of ways, which was like Melisandre, right? Yeah. Who also has a colorful work history and history in general, was enslaved, sold, not unlike

Varys. Yeah. Interesting. He's valuable. He survived the acquisition, the Baratheon acquisition of Worsethros. He's just like me for real. He is just like me. Where are the cockroaches that are going to be found at the bottom of King's Landing, me and Varys? I do relate to the cockroaches sometimes, but I guess I'm not like that. All this talk about gold and the stone cow together and how it's, you know, this sort of God-like figure makes me think of the golden calf from this famous story, the Bible.

Never heard of it. Famous book. And basically the way that, you know, we've been talking about how money, gold, is absolutely worshipped in Carth, like a god, and the idolatry of it here in Carth. So I think that's really interesting, and the way that they've refused, basically, Daenerys, who, you know, we're exploring this idea of godhood in her storyline, and the way that she has been rebuked, and Carth in general, right, we see them like

turning to all these different kinds of false gods and not really caring for people. And it kind of makes sense that Daenerys might return, right, to reign upon them, to bring wrath upon them, especially because they probably did finance, you know, a bunch of other troops against her, so... Ehh. Yeah, it's like Essos Vegas, right? Like, everything is for sale, everything is a pound of flesh here. Yeah. Everything is measured in cost, it's really interesting.

Definitely like, you can buy or sell anything out here. We'll talk about Ashi in a bit, which has some of that too, but I love what you've called out like the false gods. Money, money, money, money me now. Money please. Dollar signs in the eyes. We've been saying that a lot in the hospital. Money daddy.

I forgot why. I think someone just brought up that character and said, you've all been going money. Money please. I'm like a good 5% Mona Lisa Saperstein. Like 70% Leslie Knope, 25% April Ludgate, and like 5% Mona Lisa Saperstein. Maybe take a percent off of that and like 1% Joan Calamazzo. This is a very specific mix. I'm a little Sebastian. That's like 100% little horse girl. That's you. Yiff yiff.

Whoa. No, no, no. Clop, clop. Clop, clop is what they call that specific subgenre. Oh wait, no. Was that only My Little Pony specific? I can't remember. I didn't really dig into all that. I was like, this is a lot. There's a lot here to go. You into Aquins? I didn't know you were into Aquin on this level. Wow. Yiff yiff indeed. We're covering a lot of ground today. The merchant princes of Carth, enriched by trade, were split into three rival factions. The ancient guild of Spicers, the Tourmaline Brotherhood, and the Thirteen Zarros faction.

All of them vie for dominance and clash with the pureborn. Above them looms the warlocks, blue-lipped, dread-powered, rarely seen, deeply feared. Dun dun dun. The Illuminati on acid, my friends. That's who that is. Yeah. I actually love this whole breakdown. Controlling commerce and trade and Karth and secret societies that control everything. Right? Like that's what Karth is. It's like secret society on secret society and you have to unlock the door as we go into the house of the undying. Like it's a literal manifestation of that. And when you control the commerce and trade, like what Carth is made up of, it's made up of merchant princes,

people who have made themselves self-important. They pay for that importance. They can make wealth appear out of thin air. People like Littlefinger, right, who we see in Westeros is able to rise to power. If Westeros was not in their current monarchy, I mean, you might see Littlefinger rise to much greater power, right? Being able to create wealth is being able to change lives. Just as much as taking it away is able to change their lives so true catastrophically. So real, it could really change your life.

Snap of a finger. And it reminds me a little bit of Dune. In Dune there are a couple organizations like the ancient guild of Spicers reminds you of the spacing guild and ChoE, which that's combined HONETI, OBER, ADVANCER, and MERCANTILES. That basically CHOME and the Spacing Guild play off of one another. CHOME controls economic affairs. It acts as a universal development corp.

It has shares, directorships, determining each house's influence. So it acts as the points giver for houses to have influence. It gives them a credit score basically on their influence in a way. It controls the economy and they answer though at the same time to the Guild of Navigators. The Guild of Navigators control the interstellar travel. Basically together they control who gets spice, who lives and who dies. Right? They control the resources, they control the life water, and that's this. That's Karth. That's kind of what we're getting here is this like little pyramid scheme of everybody that controls this city. KS Yeah. Turns out there's the one person that if

they had invested in her, she wouldn't have fucked up all their profit, but it was good that she did. It was morally good that she did in by fucking up the slave trade. And I like what you said of how they control everything. Again, Karth is going to come back. You might not like it, but Karth is going to come back. You know what's fun about this podcast? We can just say whatever we want. And who knows? Yeah, who knows? Who knows? And we say whatever we want and people send us back songs. I love knows. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? And we say whatever we want and people send us back songs. I love it. So, demon roll, take me home, do you face the rock? Danny

feels genuinely grateful to Zaro for guiding her through the bribes. As word of her dragons spread more people came to see them and Zaro ensured that both nobles and commoners brought offerings to the Mother of Dragons. I guess that was- that actually is kind of nice of him, but what began as a trickle became a flood. Traders arrived with mirrish lace, chests of saffron from Yi Ti, dragon glass, and amber from a shai. Merchants brought coins, silver rings, and chains. Pipers played for her, tumblers performed,

jugglers entertained, and dyers wrapped her in colors she had never imagined. Two of the Jogos Nigh gifted her a pair of zorses, and the widow offered the dried corpse of her husband, crusted with silvered leaves. He had been a sorcerer, and his remains were said to hold great power." I really love this. You start to understand how much more witchcraft and, you know, mysterious arcane arts are appreciated and maybe accepted culturally. And then also last Catalin chapter, Catalin gets Ned's bones right before this.

So you have this great bit of her husband having been a sorcerer and that being greatly respected and that his remains held great power. And you also know that there are power in remains because you're in Dani's POV. Yeah. Who just birthed dragons from Drogo's remains, right? That's true. Yeah. And something interesting for Catalin who comes back to life, right? There is great power in remains sometimes.

That's true, especially when you can bring them back. So we're gonna bring back this guy. He's coming back to life, happy for this widow. Wow. Of course, she gives that on a way. Most of these she sells, right? The thing that she keeps here, the Tourmaline Brotherhood presses a crown on her, and I love this description, wrought in the shape of the three-headed dragon, the coil's pure yellow gold, the wing's silver, the head's carved from jade, ivory, and anise. So matchy-matchy, just the OT3 dragons just like hers. Wow, how beautiful.

She sold everything but the crown to get her money back in order. Zaro tries to get her to sell the crown, saying the 13 will give her something finer, but she refuses, saying Viserys sold their mother's crown and men called him a beggar. She would keep this crown, and men will call her queen." And we have this line of, "'And so she did, that the weight of it made her neck ache. Yet even crowned, I am a beggar still. I have become the most splendid beggar in the world, but a beggar all the same. She hated it, as her brother must have."

I love the crown though, it just like, and that she has to stick to it. It's kind of like that very inherent thought of doing the opposite of what you've seen people that you love, maybe people that you love that you don't agree with their choices, but like you have to do the exact opposite of whatever they did, right? Like that that thing means you failed. Like to Dani, she's like, no, if I lose this crown, that means I failed. Yeah. And it does make me think of, if you haven't read Fire and Blood, log off. This is a spoilers all podcast. This is a Spoilers All podcast. This is a Spoilers All podcast.

Um, I don't know who that was. I don't know what that voice is. It makes me think of Raniera's crown and her downfall in Fire and Blood. We have Queen Raniera had neither gold nor ships when she sent Lord Corlys to the the Dungeon's Cask. She had lost her fleet, and she fled King's Landing in terror of her life without so much as a coin. Despairing and fearful, her grace walked the castle battlements of Duskendale, weeping. Growing ever more gray and haggard, she could not sleep and would not eat, nor would she suffer to be parted from Prince Aegon, her last living son. Day and night the boy remained by her side like a small pale shadow. When Lady Meredith made it plain the Queen had overstayed her welcome. Rhaenyra was forced to sell her crown to raise the coin to buy passage on a bravosy merchantman,

the Violaundae. Everyone urges her to go seek solace elsewhere, but she refuses them because she's adamant on returning to Dragonstone because she wants to find dragon eggs. She tells her loyalists she must have another dragon or all was lost. There's so much wrapped up in Fire and Blood specifically and some of the back lore of being a Targaryen on the run, using your status, and losing your sense of self while using that status in order to survive. Right, I think of Reyna, Alessandra, his sister Reyna, whose brother-husband dies at war against

Maegor, right? Uncrowned, but was the rightful heir. And in turn, even though really it's her that was the rightful heir, In turn, she doesn't even choose to seek the throne. Instead, she kind of travels, right? She has her children. She falls in love. She has dream fire. She meets Alyssa. She meets so many others that are her pets, her favorites. And she loses her children in some ways, but she looks for her own security, right? She looks for a way to have her own peace. And then you have Sarah Targaryen, right? Jaehaerys' daughter going east, a sex worker turned proprietor in Lys, making her own wealth and creating her own security and her own fortune her own way.

And what it took to get them there, right? Like, Reyna has to, at Fair Isle, you know, she really eats shit a lot. Like, she humbles herself at the Lannisters. You know, there's all these like little journeys of having to be a beggar and also having to be like high class, right, at the same exact time. And they understand that the dragons and their blood are what they have and what they can use and what they are. And what their value in society is out east is like you're a relic on a shelf that could come to life someday or come into use someday. You're a stone dragon we can put on our shelf. It's kind of like devastating that Dani already sees that she's like, I have to keep my crown or else I am nothing.

I have nothing else. Yeah, really ties back to like, you know, the trappings of power, but also I think it's like, also, what does it mean to hit rock bottom, I guess, as a royal? You know, like the crown shouldn't matter like that, but it is like a thing of pride. It's the one thing that you get, that one piece of jewelry that other people don't really get to have and say that, yeah, so I've got a crown. It's a symbol. It's the throne. And if you can't have that, all the power has to be then inside of you. And like, that's

scary. That's fucking hard. LS. Hell you see, like, Catalin Stoneheart with Rob's crown, getting it back, right? KS. Yes. Good point. Great point. LS. Killing to get it back. KS. Yeah. It has meaning. It represents something. And so it makes sense that like, she says, this was gifted to me. And even though like, you know, theoretically, she could get an even finer one for it to be the first one that's given to her shows like, all right, we recognize you as royalty, who are now officially given and worthy of this symbol. Like Renée of Anjou, right, banning these symbols of royalty. This is the upper class saying, congratulations, you've joined our club.

We see you as royalty. We see you as a great. Even if they won't give her the things. Yeah, it's the first time it happens too, right? Like, because she has the dragons. Yeah, it is. She has the dragons and whatnot. Everyone's giving her there.

All these gifts that are given to her. It's homage. It's tribute. Yeah, it's. She has the dragons and whatnot. Everyone's giving her their all these gifts that are given to it's homage It's tribute. Yeah, it's legitimization right like this was kind of a mini coronation. That's a good point. An unsaid coronation. Carthenation. Thank you for laughing Throughout all of this though Danny starts to think of Viserys, right, and kind of feels unexpectedly like a wave of sympathy for him, because he had had to beg from archons and magisters and flatter them for scraps while also still retaining composure. And now she's like, oh, that could drive a man mad, it might do that to me. She dreams of leading her people back to Vest Taloro and rebuilding it as her own, but she

also feels like that's surrender. She has something that Viserys never had. Dragons. And then Rhaegal nips her hand as if to remind her. Yeah. I love that she does think of the specter of Viserys here, right? It's a complicated relationship that she has with him. And in regards to her thinking of like, yeah, this could break someone, right? It's a complicated relationship that she has with him. And in regards to her

thinking of like, yeah, this could break someone, right? Because she thinks of like, he must have known how they mocked him, small wonder he turned so angry and bitter. And it's absolutely like when we think of Tyrion saying, you know, I know that she's prideful, how not? Like, how not? How not? How not? That has to be the case for Viserys too, right? Like he has to be prideful. It was all that was left to him, and even that he had to put his pride aside so that he could, you know, persist for himself and his younger sister, and like this whole destiny that he was told was his.

And unfortunately, yeah, it turned him cruel because of that mockery. What happens when no one's on your side, no one's rooting for you. And it makes me also think again of Tyrion, because that's absolutely the turn that he takes at the end of book three. And I think that might have some implications as well, right? What does it mean to have to be mocked, to be unloved, and no one believing in you? And I think it's hard because it all becomes this like, again, cage around Daenerys as we've been discussing, like the difficulty of Viserys's challenges and then the legacy of House Targaryen. Like there is another path she could carve for herself. You talked about Sarah going east and Reyna leaving everything. Like, Dani's like, yeah, I don't know, fuck it, I could revive Vase Tolerow. And even Robert has had those thoughts, right? He's like, I don't know, Ned, what

if you and I just ran away together and we became sellswords? But Daenerys feels that this would be defeat, because then what about the family? Like they told her this was her destiny. What about Viserys? What did Viserys struggle for all that for? What did I, what did I undergo under Viserys' abuse for, if not for this? Her life never gets to be just hers. It's not just that it belongs to the people that she rules, but there's a pride that has to come with it, and it's pride that makes you keep the crown, and it's also as it erodes, it would kills you as you beg and beg and beg just for food, just to live. And the dragons are part of that

chain too, right? Their power, they make the difference, but like what's the point of having them if you, you know, why get to have them if not to fulfill destiny being chosen It's a it's a burden that you have to succeed And there's also that great bit as we get towards dance right that the dragons eat more and more That's a true bigger. They got the more they eat. They stop eating, they stop growing. Like goldfish. Eventually they stop eating. They stop eating, they don't live. Right, eventually. But like, you have to keep feeding them. They're a bottomless pit. Oh, it's a metaphor. It's an appetite of how it's never gonna be enough. Yes. It's never exactly. Whoa. That is though! I can't actually, that one is too high. So we'll do it in the key that I did. Key change. Yeah, but that's literally how it is, right? Like the dragons are the power, they're the mark, the burden, they're the void, you could never fulfill it.

The hunger! A fire consumes. The hunger is never ending. I don't remember. What is that song from? Why do I have the feeling that it's fucked up? Anyways. Do you- you know this, right? It's- it's- okay, you know what? It's from one of those like weird things, like do you remember? It's like Shoes era.

Shoes? Oh my god, Shoes like that kind of stuff. Okay Yep. Yep. Yep. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah viral videos of the aughts and aught teens Yeah, I don't really remember everything which is like I think we should just call it the aught teens Honestly teens for when we get to the 20 times not teens. Yeah I'm trying to make it happen. Okay Jocelyn. Jocelyn. In the streets, Jogo cries out again, make way you milkmen for the mother of dragons.

The people part quickly to avoid being trampled. Aga guards her flank. Rikaro reaches the rear, ever alert. She left Jorah behind with the dragons. He distressed everything about Karth and thinks it's all folly. Maybe if she admits to herself, he's right. When Rhaegal hisses at her wine, Zaro says he has a good nose. It's ordinary wine, nothing like the golden vintages of the Jade Sea. He invites her to take his pleasure barge and sail off in search of it, and Dany counters well. Actually, the Arbor wine is the best in the world and wonders whether

Lord Redwine would fight for her as he once did for her father and she asks Zara, what if you gave me a worship instead of a pleasure barge? And I just am like, Danny has such good lines, she has such good comebacks, I was not this smooth when I was 15 and I really wish I was. She's so snappy with it. And honestly, I don't know if Lord Redmine is going to fight for her because like, I don't know, what if everyone's fucking dead because of Euron? Spoilers.

All. Podcast. Yeah, she's got a lot of spark, right? She's got a lot of that very eagerness that like is, you know, when you're young and scrappy and nothing could touch you and you just birth three dragons and you're kind of on the up-and-up like She got that scrappy that moxie that hope going on right? She's like she's like well What if you gave me a warship instead because it's like what do I have to lose?

Yeah, you can also see those seeds maybe of greens and blacks there will the red wines support me? When I come home No one knows will they be on the other side,. Or will they be... No one knows. Will they be on the other side, but also will they be dead? Be dead. I don't know. Hopefully not, because that wine sounds awesome. Well, Zaro has no warships because war is bad for trade, and he is, as he says, a man of peace.

Okay, we'll find out about that. What he wants in return for golden support would be her hand in marriage, because haunted as he is by her beauty, Dany smiles politely, but she's sensing a disconnect between his words and his penis. I mean his heart, his words and his heart. Both. I mean, I don't know, maybe his heart is, his heart's definitely in this prophet thing. Especially because like, this line stood out to me of him saying, war is bad for trade, which again we've been talking, I don't know, for years probably about the economic impact

of Daenerys' crusade and it's gonna make for a good story when it happens. Like I'm really excited about this plot in the winds of winter and seeing the fallout and ramifications for the rest of Essos, especially as we go around for more of it. Like he also discusses how, you know, if he hires like a ship he could suddenly be betrayed by a captain who decides, no, all of this is for me, which is of course the plot of many things in this story, and especially in this book, right? Most upcoming and like also ship themed is Theon's story regarding Winterfell, where he's like, no, I'm captain and all this could be for me, and also

disobeys his dad. And then of course the mutiny at Crasterasters and the whole other thing that were the five kings thing. But I just think it's kind of funny that Zaro says war is bad for trade and calls himself a man of peace because like literally Karth is like well we're gonna go to war now because you fucked up our slave trade, right? And to say that he's a man of peace and I'm like, I don't know, but isn't the system of slavery also inherently violent? Like, violent? Yeah, I was just gonna say literally inherently like, it's such bullshit. It's like what he's actually saying when he's like, war is bad for trade. He's saying war

is bad for trade when you attack the slave trade, which I dabble in, and that's how our city is built on all its finery. And that's it, right? Like, it's all bullshit. Yeah. It's all built on the bodies of other people that don't have freedom. They think war is only bad for trade when it's not profitable for them. But if you think about it, if they had just gone to war with Westeros, I don't think this

is what should have happened. I'm just saying if they had just gone to war with Westeros with Daenerys, they would have kept their slave trade and their profits, but it is good that she fucked all that up. Yeah, I don't know, it's crazy, right? It's a great piece of irony. You know, the average hourly pay for a rogue construction worker in this country is anywhere from like 18 to 30 dollars. And that can be a lot of money or a little money depending on your life and where you live and cost of living.

But everything's pretty much fucking expensive right now. So like, you think about the amount of money the people of Karth in the Pureborn have to them and the amount of money that the people that lay the literal fucking road in Carth have to them. And you could imagine there's probably a disparity there, right? Yeah. Or I mean, like, you think about who made the textile that Daenerys is wearing. Who mined the jewels that are in all of these? Who picked the food? It's probably slaves.

Grows the crops. Yup. And I'm not saying that she's guilty for that. I'm saying these are the gifts that the pureborn have and usually typically exchange with one another, right? It's like you trade your ethics and your values to receive these presents, you know, it's there's a lot of different shows life

Reality like what we're living in right now that shows like people accepting these bribes or these things and like it's part of the game Right when you go to a political like when you go to an event, it's a big event You have a dinner you have a thing you supposed to laugh and graciously host and shake hands with the other politicians. That is what Dani's doing. It requires imbibing in what the other politicians are doing. The other people of note. Yeah, they try and buy her later on. I mean, we'll get there. We'll get there in Book Five. But they try to buy her off and be like, what if you just stop doing all this, right? It's really messing stuff up for us. Yeah, just stop. Have you considered?

Yeah, so it turns out they were willing to go to war the whole time. Just for shitty things. When people show you who they are, listen to them. Believe them. Yeah, and I mean, she does. She does. They're pieces of shit. Which is why she's like, fuck you, Kar- Oh. I was being sardonic. I was being like a Facebook meme.

Okay. When people show you who they are. The Milkman. The Milkman! Jesus, okay. Jorah could hardly look away from her when she was wearing one of her titties out in the Carthene fashion, and Zaro, on the other hand, barely ever noticed. Also, his palace is full of very beautiful boys in silk who attend him. Good for him. No, not good for him, actually. He's probably assaulting these beautiful slaves.

Yeah, this is just like O'Leary O's man with Tyrion. Oh boy. Oh boy. Dany calls him out on his answer. It's another no, but this time his no is dressed up in jewels. He says he fears the Iron Throne will devour her, even though she's going to a house in the next chapter that tries to devour her. The Iron Throne might devour her, and paints a picture inside of a lavish life with him, sailing to E.T. to the dreaming city of poets, sipping wine from a dead man's skull, but Why would I want that? Danny only wants to sip wine from one dead man's skull, and that skull's in Westeros.

God damn it, the skull of the usurper. Is this like a thing people want? To like, drink wine out of people's skulls? Anyway. It kind of is nice when you get to like, feast, right, with Alaria? Yeah, I don't know, I'm just like... Maybe I'm not one to talk though, with this like cannibalism talk so anyway we have this all this stuff of the weeping it's finally here. A single perfect tear ran

down the cheek of Zaro Zohandaxos. Will nothing turn you away from this madness? Nothing she said wishing she was as certain as she sounded." Oh my god, that was a wonderful affect you gave, Zaro. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know, I hoped it was good. Thank you. Wow, you got…

It was inspired. Um… I got the Tony. Wow. Uh, yeah. Topical. It's kind of funny because I'm like, maybe he thought this was really going to work because by the standards of his culture that he's like, join.

He's like, yeah, I'm supposed to weep, right? Like maybe it's going to work for her. And she's just like, what the hell? Why is this happening? So the negotiation turns to gold and lending and he will still not give her her ship, give her his ships, breaking it down that it costs money and she's just like not a good bet. And the 13 won't aid her, the Gilded Spicers won't, the Termiline Brotherhood won't, so Danny's like, hmm, I guess I don't really have a choice, I gotta go to Piat Pre to the

Warlocks. And he warns her that they are bitter creatures eating dust. I'm sorry. Eating dust and drinking shadows with nothing to give her, but he's left Dani no choice. Even with all he says he's given her, perfume and pomegranates, tumbling monkeys and spitting snakes, scrolls of Valyria and idols head and a serpent's foot. What does that mean? A palanquin of ebony and gold and a set of bollocks. To bear it, one white and one black horns inlaid with jewels." Dany says what she wanted were real ships and soldiers. And Zara reminds her, I gave you an army, one of a thousand knights in gleaming armor of silver, gold, jade, barrel, onyx, tourmaline,

opal, and amethyst, and each one is no taller than her finger. And they're definitely not the kind that her enemies fear. The oxen pulling her palanquin also can't cross the sea. No, but that attitude. Like that's fucking Polly Pocket shit, bitch. It is. What is she gonna do with that? It's a doll set.

He gave her a doll set, like she's a little girl. She's gonna scatter it on the ground and they're all gonna like trip over it with their feet, like Legos. It's gonna be like the Modern Family episode, the Warhammer episode, with all the little like figurines when they're renting Mitch and Cam's upstairs apartment. And then they all get shattered. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It was like one of those dearest moments.

It wasn't Warhammer. It was like the- Or that, what, not Warhammer. I don't know why I thought it was Warhammer. It was like Precious Moments S. Precious Moments. But not exactly. Yeah, like, it's gonna hurt that, or knock off.

So yes, these little soldiers, they're small, but it made me think of Qin Shi Huangdi's like Terracotta Army, the one that like he's buried with. Their life size, they're life size. They're pretty big and there's also 8,000 of them and that doesn't even include the chariots and the other parts of the cavalry. It was a big funerary art piece to protect the emperor in the afterlife. It's an enormous in the mausoleum. So it makes me think of that. I love that. It kind of reminds me of Sand Kings a little bit too, where you have these armies like, creating, I mean just like these little armies that seem like small but what if they could

form into real armies? They can't. Uh oh. But something about very Sand Kings and very like rebuilding and you know, seeing her as mother, you know? It's giving mother. It's giving mother, it's giving Sly's giving slay all day. And also, of course, there they are in the crazy colors, you know, the, the gold, the jade,

the barrel love that. I love all the gemstone, the gemstone, the gems, the rich, literally, uh, he gifted her righteous gemstones, emperors. Wait, is that a cosplay? It's an interesting idea. Righteous gemstones Emperors. Wait, is that a cosplay? It's an interesting idea. Righteous Gemstones Emperors? Mashup? That-a-ay. Part like that-a-ay.

Yeah. It could be. While the Palanquin stops, Aggo calls to her and Jogo says, A Fire Mage is ahead, drawing a crowd. Curious, Dani asks to see and Jogo helps her down. In the Bazaar, a fire mage is performing before a wall of onlookers, sailors, merchants, dusty wanderers, slavers, craftsmen. He conjures a flaming ladder that rises into the air. Rung by glowing rung

toward the roof, Jogo leans in, saying the locals avoid him. Note. He points to the cut purses in the crowd who are slipping through with blades in hand, robbing the distracted onlookers as the mage climbs even higher on the ladder. When he reaches the top, the ladder vanishes, and so does he. Yeah, I like that Daenerys is easily able to spot a cut purse, and it's a good reminder that it's because her life was among, you know, these people too for a long while. Yeah, there's a lot here of like, survival and class. It's indicative of that entire economic system in Karth and the Free Cities, right? The distraction. It's, uh, again,

the metaphor for the whole thing. Like, that's the distraction. Like, look away and you're getting robbed by all classes. I do wonder if it'll intersect at all. Like, I do think that she and Aria will meet, but I don't know if Aria will have a different face at that time. Or like, it does make me think that would they get into proximity of each other because of that? Or like, would Aria notice like, oh, okay, interesting, this queen is able to spot this sort of stuff and what it tells her about this sort of life that Daenerys has lived. I'm curious.

It does feel like he's playing with something, especially with all the black and white symbolism, the oxen, and the beads. Yeah. Good point. Well, Jogo calls it a fine trick, and honestly sounds like it was, but Quaithe appears beside them and says, that guy's a loser, she's's masked and tells them it's no trick at all, because half a year ago that mage could barely work with powders and wildfire. Maybe he could walk on coals, but now thanks to Daenerys he can climb a fiery ladder.

Something that is no more possible before than a fisherman catching a kraken in his nets. It's cute. Very cute. I like that little saying that she does about the Kraken. Plus, cause like the Kraken to come. Hahaha. Cute. Yeah, so his powers have grown exponentially is what she's saying thanks to the Mother of Dragons. She steps forward and she lays two fingers on Dani's wrist and Jogo brushes her hand away and is like, no spawn of shadow can touch Khaleesi.

hand away and is like, no spawn of shadow can touch Khaleesi. And Quaithe is like, no, I have a warning to give, and she says, You must leave this city soon, Daenerys Targaryen, or you will never be permitted to leave it at all. Dany's wrist still tingled where Quaithe had touched her. Where would you have me go? To go north, you must journey south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward, you must go back. And to touch the light, you must pass beneath the shadow." "'Ashai,' Dany thought. She would have me go to Ashai. Will the Ashai give me an army? Will there be gold for me in Ashai? Will there be ships? What is there in a shy that I will not find in Karth?"

"'Truth,' said the woman in the mask, and bowing, she faded back into the crowd." That quake, you just don't know about her. Okay, so like the Homer Simpson meme? Into the bushes? Oh my god. Yeah. She's a wild one, this quake. I never know what to think about her, but... Wild card. Wild card. Bitches. I would love to do an Asshai episode someday. I kind of find it fascinating. It's trade is really interesting, right? Because it's similar to what I was saying about Karth being almost like an SOC Vegas where everything's for sale.

It's kind of got some dark stuff, it seems. It has a specialization in distinct items that are maybe used for the higher mysteries and arcane knowledge. This always has really stood out to me. You know, you have poisonous hairnets in the main series, Mance Raider's cloak, the silk in it. I'm not saying it was magical, but I don't know, it might be kind of magical, we just don't know. Euron in totality has been to a shy and back. Quaithe, Melisandre, Mirri Mazdur, Marwyn, Bran seeing the dragons stir there. We're told in The World of Ice and Fire from Yandell that the dark city by the shadows, a city steeped in sorcery, warlocks, wizards, alchemists, moon singers, red priests, black alchemists, necromancers, aromancers, pyromancers, blood mages, torturers, inquisitors, poisoners,

godswives, night walkers, shape changers, worshipers of the black goat and the pale child, and the lion of night. All of them are there. Wrap that ten times fast. They've got a lot of economic diversity. Yeah, right. Very interesting. So many jobs. Nothing's forbidden there, right? So they have a lot of crooks there that are like, everything's legal here. Real Vegas hours. But they practice spells with no constraints there. I find it fascinating because you have in Fire and Blood, you have, on the second of his nine great voyages on Sea Snake Corlys the Larian sailed to a shy becoming the first Westerosi to visit the city Tales claim Corlys lost his love and half his crew there and he claimed to have seen the Sun chaser of Alyssa

Farman in the harbor of a shy so kind of contradicting itself in one sentence, right? Like that implies Alyssa went to a shy in the harbor of Asshai. So kind of contradicting itself in one sentence, right? Like, that implies Alyssa went to Asshai, being a Westerosi that visited Asshai before Courtly Spolarion, because why would her ship be there? But also she went there with maybe dragon eggs. So it does make me think, like, interesting. Interesting. Something to think about. And like, what's even crazier is Asshai seems really mysterious, but it does come up a ton throughout these books, like more than Ashardane. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It comes up so much, and like especially it does Melisandre's right? Melisandre of Asshai, right? And like,

I don't know, I don't know like still if we're actually gonna go there and these books are not anymore I wonder if like George originally intended us to I know that he said that we He said that we would see a shy, but he's also said it could happen through a memory, but I don't know I don't know. Where is, where is the time? Yeah, I'm really interested to see if this is like a five year gap thing that really he just decides to cut out. Like he couldn't do both Marine and Asshai. Asshai is far, you know, it is not close geographically, so very curious.

Yeah, I think we need the books to figure that out. But yeah, this is one that I will say she's much more likely to go back to Karth than she is to go to Asshai in Tiwau. I think she could, like, I guess she could go if she went on a solo trip. She's already on a solo trip, you know? Yeah, but she went on even more solo trip. Yeah. But, and like, I guess we could see it like in a memory that way, right? Being like, Daenerys was on her way back to Asshai and to Qarth to go burn it the fuck down. No, but like, you know, something like that. Yeah. Nah, it's too important for that, though. Give me POV, George. We'll see. We'll see.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Look under your chair. Look under your chair. As you said, it could have worked with the five-year gap because, yeah, there would be a lot more space and time that wasn't in Meereen. there would be a lot more space and time that wasn't in Meereen. Riccardo snorts about all of this, right? He is listening to Quaithe's bullshit. He thinks it's bullshit. I don't know, maybe it's not, maybe it is, we just don't know. He says that Daenerys will be better off swallowing scorpions than trusting Shadow Spawn. It is known, and Ago agrees, and Zaro watching basically is also like, it is known, but he says, oh, they're wiser than they know, truths from a shy rarely bring joy.

Mm, interesting. He, he, right, interesting. He hands her wine, and he speaks of love and trifles on the ride home with her. So I also think, like, this wording of the distrust of spawns of shadows interesting, especially because again, Tyrion in many prophecies, and by that I mean one that I really think about from Makoro, is portrayed as a shadow. True, true. That's it. In her chambers, Dany puts on a purple silk robe and feeds her dragons.

Aww, sounds so calming. They've doubled in size since face Toloro. They're growing, but too slowly. She needs five years, maybe more, and she has no idea how to train them. At sunset, Jorah visits. He asks about the pureborn, and she invites him to sit. Over olives and onions and wine, she says no help will come from Carth. The pureborn look inward, and Zaro? He trails wine. She says no help will come from Carth. The pure-born look inward. And Zaro? He trails off. She finishes it. He proposed again. Jorah says he knows why. She jokes that Zaro says that he dreams of her, but she's laughing. And Jorah says, oh, he dreams of your dragons. And she's like, yeah, I know that was the joke I was making. Stop being a weirdo. I know she doesn't

say all that, but I did. Dani insists the Carthene marriage means that they get to keep their property separate and Jorah's like yeah but he left out one important tradition on the wedding day. Each spouse gets to ask for a token of love and it cannot be refused and you know one dragon sure would make Zaro master of the city but if in the exchange she asks for one ship, that's like pretty fucking worthless in comparison. Like, bad trade deal. And she tells Jorah about the fire mage in Quaithe and he says he'd gladly leave Carth, not for a shy, but to go eastward. And I'm like, ah, isn't a shy eastward? Like, what am I not missing on? There's not as much east.

Yeah, I'm like- Running out of places what am I missing about the geography like am I thinking she argues too that like if going farther east risks losing her way home so maybe we don't do that and he's like well you risk your life if you go west right now she says she has friends in the free cities and he's like, okay, so Illyrio, like you're talking about Illyrio, right? He says to her, you know, you're forgetting he would sell anyone for a price. She defends Illyrio saying, well, he could have sold me before and he didn't and Jor is like, yeah, but he did do that in the first book to Drogo.

And she flashes and she's like, she's like, all right, that's true. Right. She's like, actually it's so funny. She thinks she's like, he's right. But I don't like the way he said it. I mean, which I, yeah. True. Which is very Selena Meyer. It reminds me of when Selena Meyer tells Amy that she didn't like the way that she spoke to her, so now she has to work for Jonah.

I don't like the way you spoke to me, Amy earlier. That's how this feels. Amazing. But yes, she says Illyrio believed in Viserys and protected them and Jorah's like, Illyrio believes in Illyrio. He's a glutton and a magister. She's like, but he gave me the dragon eggs and he's like, yeah, he didn't think they'd hatch. Dany says she knows what Illyrio is. She was a child, not blind or deaf though, and she's no child now, but still, Jorah insists Illyrio cannot make her queen. He didn't have the power to do it for Viserys either. If he wanted to, he would, but…

Yeah. Believe people when they tell you who they are, when they show you. Believe them. But actually, a little true about Illyrio though. So Illyrio is kind of like Doran, right? He's pretending that he's very ineffective and he's hiding all his plans, except turns out Doran was a little ineffective because he played too slow and played it wrong. And I came to a revelation right before this episode, because I was talking about Parmesan cheese with Chloe,

a huge amount of Parmesan cheese, cheese monger amounts of Parmesan cheese. And so I have a metaphor now for why it works with Illyrio and not with Doran, because Illyrio, a cheese monger, and cheese, the longer you wait, right? You gotta plan, you know what you're doing. And the cheese gets better for some of them. When it's aged, you know, you need to let the cultures

develop for it to become the right kind of cheese. Whereas for Doran, his metaphor is the blood oranges. And that's like a ripe fruit, you know, once you reach that point, that's past ripeness, becomes overripe and spoiled, right? Not the cheese, not the cheese. They knew they were waiting. So that's the metaphors and Illyrio and Veres, they've been playing the long game

and they, but they've also been making moves the whole time, right? Making the right conditions for the cheese to ripen, like maybe a cave age cheese or like certain other kinds. And they do have the power to enthrone someone, turns out. It's Egan, allegedly. And also, I mean, it wasn't Elyrio by himself. Dornam is just trying to like do all these weird ass plans by himself. But no, Elyrio's got a podcast co-host, It's Fairies. Oh my god. And then, you know, they even talk about like, oh, what about sellswords and stuff? And you know what? Turns out Illyrio has those too.

So. Yeah. Yeah. And he's giving them someone else. So. Yeah, that's why Daenerys is like, well, I guess Illyrio could at least give ships and sellswords. Turns out he's already given them away. And his dance card is full. Yeah, his Dance of the Dragons card is full. Oh my God. Yeah.

Yeah, Jorah says that sellswords won't win Westeros, though. And in fact, he says nothing unites a kingdom faster than an invading army, which is true. Very true, bestie. She's like, I'm their rightful queen, what do you mean by this? And he's like, you're a stranger. You have foreign soldiers who don't speak the common tongue. The lords will fear you and your dragons. You have to win their trust first, at least a few of them. She's like, how can I win Westeros though if I'm heading farther east? You're not answering my questions, and that is true.

There is no easy win right now. And then we close the chapter with… I do not know your grace, but I do know that the longer you remain in one place, the easier it will be for your enemies to find you. The name Targaryen still frightens them, so much so that they sent a man to murder you when they heard you were with child. What will they do when they learn of your dragons?" Drogon was curled up beneath her arm, as hot as a stone that has soaked all day in the

blazing sun. Rhaegal and Viserion were fighting over a scrap of meat, buffeting each other with their wings as smoke hissed from their nostrils. My furious children, she thought, they must not come to harm. The comet led me to Carth for a reason. I had hoped to find my army here, but it seems that will not be. What else remains, I ask myself. I am afraid, she realized, but I must be brave. Come tomorrow, you must go to Piat Pree. I'm afraid, but I must be brave. The only time that a man can truly be brave. Love.

Oh man. She's got to be real brave for this one. It's a little crazy. I love the, uh, I love the bits about the dragons being so warm. Drogon being so warm, because that's like my cat when he's laid in the window all day. He's so sweet and warm and I just want to like rawr, eat up his fur because it's so hot. Oh, okay. Interesting.

I love it. So I'm like, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, rrrr, I don't know, it didn't really stick out to me as much till when you read it in your Jora- your shitbag Jora voice. Thank you. Uh, he's delaying her going wa- I mean, she doesn't have the resources to do it yet, like that's also true.

But, is he delaying her because he knows he won't be well received in Westerho still? Because he knows he's exiled? It's illegal for him to come. Me well received. Oh my gosh. Well received. Yeah. It's interesting that he wasn't as like joyous though upon hearing the way that they both received that news now that I think about it. Like he wasn't nearly as excited to hear about Ned dying as Daenerys was about hearing that Robert died. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Even though the news kind of meant the same thing for both of them, if you think about it. And I do think, right, like it almost meant freedom, but it doesn't because people know. Yeah, I mean, Jorah's like way more embarrassing, and he's probably got to deal with someone even scarier, his family, being like, Jorah, what the fuck?

But also like, he's very specifically like like, scaring her here, right? He's like, oh, your family name is so scary. They tried to murder you. What will they do when they learn of your dragons? You need to stop. And it's like, it's almost like he's trying to make her not blow their cover in a way. Yeah. It's also something that made me think-

Isolating her. Something it made me think of, like, a few chapters ago, but I only thought about it like after we had recorded was it reminds me of Kristen Cole telling Rhaenyra, let's not go back, let's go, we can just be happy, just us with the, I don't know, selling oranges. Isolating her. Yeah, but. Yeah, he's not really giving her any good options though is a thing agreed so Lots to puzzle out next week with gray very excited to have gray area on

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