Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 255 — ACOK Daenerys IV featuring This Gray Area

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

Gray Area comes to visit our house—of the Undying! She's here to ~help us show~ us the pattern behind the prophecies around chosen ones and the visions Daenerys sees. Definitely check out: Gray's video deciphering the House of the Undying—https://youtu.be/7xjhlbyu01k?feature=shared Where to find Gray Area Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrayArea Twitter: https://x.com/ThisGrayArea TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisgrayarea Obsidian Nights Reread Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/obsidian-nights-podcast/id1511829391 Direwolf City YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@direwolfcity Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ThisGrayArea Background music: Odyssey Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Silver Flame Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ ------ Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon Reads A Song of Ice and fire episode 255, Daenerys, A Clash of Kings IV featuring Grey, this Grey area. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I'm another one of your hosts, Eliana. And I'm so excited. Grey was just reminding us how long we've been waiting to do this. Our plans are measured in centuries. Thank you for finally being here and joining us, Gray. Yes.

I'm so happy to be here. And I get to talk about my favorite girl, Daenerys Targaryen, and one of my favorite chapters. And I get to be with you guys, who I love, and who I've known for years and years and years and years, and who have one of the best, the best, reread podcasts for our song, Rise and Fire. Aw, thanks. I thought you'd say vibes, which is true.

You do have the vibes. You have the best vibes. It's been such a good, long time coming though. Like you've had us over to your house and it was finally time for you to visit our home and we couldn't be more excited and grateful that you gave us some of your time. If you don't know this Grey area, you've been living under a rock, you should be checking out her YouTube channel where she has countless videos, hours upon hours upon hours of A Song of Ice and Fire content.

And Grey, where can we find you online? And can you like give us any spoilers or tell us any hints at what's coming for you? So you can find me on YouTube at gray area. You can find me on Instagram. I post on TikTok every now and then in such an unserious way. You can find me. I do have a reread podcast that I started a couple years ago.

The reread podcast is so hard. It's so hard. Y'all make it look easy, but it is not easy. And I do have a Game of Thrones is done and I have about four chapters of a Clash of Kings and I'm making progress. I have some plans for it, but check out my videos on YouTube or you can go to Twitter for hot takes. But YouTube works out.

I love the hot takes. I love the hot takes. And you can also find me with my home girls on Dire Wolf City. We do after shows and live streams on YouTube. So that channel is Dire Wolf City on YouTube. Well, things will be linked. I was looking forward to it this fall, but I guess like.

We got fucked. Yeah, we got delayed. We got dog fucked by HBO, bro. What the fuck? Why would you say it like that? Because it was like that. Why would they be completely finished? Dunkin' Egg. Why would they say dog fucked? What the fuck? You never heard that as a phrase. What is this Ramsey shit? That was fucked up they like are finished they have no reason not to release it and they're just like we're

gonna make you wait. I feel like those were your shoots. Oh, could be. It could be that. It sounds like what they're extracting. They're extracting like the brands from one another or something. Like they're about to divide Discovery and HBO Max. They're like, wait, we merged these, let's unmerge them, a conscious uncoupling. So maybe it's related to that shit too. Who knows.

Or, or do you think they're going to like back to back it with House of the Dragon to make us feel like we got 10 episodes of something? After they cut four episodes off Dunkin' Egg and two off 8 Hot D? Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Oh, fuck off, Gray. You're pretty funny. Sure did miss it. Sorry. I feel like we only get to bond during like show seasons.

So now it's like we get to bond off season in our season and we're going to fucking bond over Daenerys Targaryen today. Oh, yes. Liked. Oh, yes. Y'all already know that's my baby. God damn right. I'm excited. I was like, Grey's going to have good takes.

It's kind of the perfect person for this chapter. We're really excited to have you because you are the Dany stan. The Dany fan of all time. Cause that's your girl. And really excited to get into all this with you. We have a little bit of housekeeping really quick. We have to talk about someone else that's actually also your girl. Um, our girl too. We will be having a Patreon bonus episode this month for Stranger

Tier and up at patreon.com slash girls gone cannon can o n and that episode will be catching fire part 1 featuring our good friend Ara who is coming over to chat about the Hunger Games with us all things catching fire Eliana's reading books to get caught up with Ara we will have a spoilery discussion on the new prequels, on Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, and of course Sunrise on the Reaping, and maybe where they are touching and catching fire and where some of these pages are coming together. Really excited for Aura to come over and chat with us on that. If you missed out on last month's episode Eliana and I watched in the

lost lands the movie inspired by George R.R. Martin's novella really good really corny really bad I really liked it all three things and we will tell you our rating in that episode you've got to go check that episode out if you haven't already checked out our now public Patreon episode, which is the original novella. And if you want even more Girls Gone Cannon fun, what do I say here? My brain just like fucks. We finished each other's sandwiches. Oh my god.

Um, yeah, if you wanna, if you want even more discussion about Girls Gone Cannon or Catching Fire or Dunkin' Egg or Drunken Egg. But we do these very sober now though. You can at Girls Gone Cannon Brunch, which happens on our Discord this month. It's going to be on June 29th, so next week where we will have Brappy Hour, which yeah, it's fun. Games, sometimes chatting just in general, enjoying one another's company. But also there's other things on the discord, such as other channels that you can hang out in and talk to people. And yeah, hell yeah.

Yeah. Love it there. Lots of fun. Um, everybody's rewatching stuff or watching movies, reading books, talking about it. Love that shit. Food channel. Food is good. Channel is is life shout out to the food is good channel that said we will be back next week to finish out a clash of king's denarius and Then we're off for a week. We will not be on

Week of the 4th of July we will not be in your ears so catch up on some old EPs if you're feeling in the mood or catch up with your your rest of your podcasts in life, but we will return after that with a storm of swords because we're fucking flying through this dude. We're fucking flying. I can't believe we don't have shows to delay Dani, so since they chose to cancel our fucking shows for the year, I guess we're gonna finish Dani eventually and start Tyrion, which is fucking nuts.

That's crazy. I never thought we would get to this point. Not like I thought we would stop, just like everything seemed so far away. And here we are. Yeah, like finishing the series. Yeah, this really seemed... She's crazy. Yeah, Eliana took the Feminine Archetype quiz recently and she got crone and I got lover. It's a stage, but it basically called me a crone. So no, I called her an old baby. If you want to take this quiz at some point too, we can discuss your feminine archetype. Don't take it linked below.

Emails tweets a note emails, tweets of note emails and tweets a note. I think the best way to start this section off though is with this Patreon comment that we got from Bee spelled like the animal, the insect, bee. Like the bumble? Yes, the bumblebee. Or the honeybee. Or the worker bee. It says, the way I screamed in all caps when you said gray area was coming on sobbing emoji. God damn right. So I feel too. So sweet. It's very exciting.

I'm just glad to be here. We had people commenting saying, you know, I hope you're going to get gray area. And I'm like, bitches, come on, you know, we already got her. Like you already know since conception. We had to pretend not. I was trying to tease, but you know, I was like, huh, okay, maybe. I don't know. We almost blew it a couple of times already at this book actually, but we really, we held

out. We wanted to be, it's gotta be a good surprise. Yeah. You can't have Danny without gray area. You fools. You fools. I'll deliver. I'll deliver guys.

Don't worry. I got you. You always do. Yeah. I'll live up to the hype. I'll deliver. I'll deliver guys, don't worry. I got you. You always do. I'll live up to the hype. I'll try to. I'm sorry, have we put too much pressure on you? We don't want to put pressure on you.

The same way that we do not wish to do to you what they did to Daenerys. Oh my god. With the legacy. The crown is too heavy. Yes. We got an email. I fucking love this email. This was such a cute email. We had a really nice email from a friend named James.

Sent us some photos of his dog. Loved that. And he emailed us and also told us a little bit of folklore that I find amazing. And I'm excited to share it with you. He said that he has something he can finally contribute. In your last episode, Daenerys 2, A Clash of Kings, we discussed Piat Pree's spirit ointment and wondered what that could have been about. He says he's certain this was George drawing inspiration from a real-world fairy tale, maybe Celtic or Gaelic or something like that. He's actually deliberately not

looking it up because he probably won't be the only one emailing us about this, so far you are. So James figured the best way to stand out and entertain us is to rattle off all the important details from memory. Strap in its story time. I hope you pick a good Kevin Mickleod for this. Oh, okay. I didn't realize I was putting tracks to this, but I can.

Mount pressure's on. Wow. Legacy. Once upon a time, there were some parents and they had a little baby girl who fell sick. They were poor farmers but their daughter meant the world to them. Lol can't relate. So they bankrupted themselves trying to find a cure. You know the spiel.

They took her to the doctors and physicians and mystics and priests and nothing worked but finally a woods witch told them to ask the fairy folk. You'd think if you lived in a world where fairies were just hanging about, available to be asked for shit like that, that you'd try them before bankrupting yourself and exhausting every other possible avenue, but I guess these poor farmers were also idiots, which on reflection might go some ways to explain why they're so poor in the first place. Insert picture of Paris Hilton in the stop being poor t-shirt meme right here. The farmers knew that some benevolent household fairies lived on their farm, cleaning up after them when they went to sleep at night so the

wife stayed out in the living room that night and pretended to fall asleep in front of the TV. Finally in the dead of night, the fairies showed up and went about doing their domestic chores. The wife sat up on the couch and beseeched them to help her. The fairies weren't too pleased about this. She was transgressing on the unspoken contract that humans wouldn't interfere or acknowledge their help beyond leaving out the odd bowl of milk. But for whatever reason they agreed to help her. They gave her a small tub of ointment and instructed the wife. Sidebar, holy shit I'm just realizing how many times in quick succession I've had to type out the wife.

Give these women names, let's just call her Birdie, she gives off big birdie energy anyways. So they give Birdie the ointment and tell her to apply the ointment to the infant's eyelids every day until it runs out and she would be cured. But they caution her under no circumstances should Birdie, or her husband- fuck giving him a name, long live the matriarchy use the ointment on themselves you can see where this is going, can't you? so Birdie dutifully applies the ointment to her daughter's eyelids once a day and she starts to get better

not only that, but it seems she can now see things her parents can't they'll find her randomly playing with thin air or laughing at things that only she can see this starts to pique Birdie's interest, but her husband can sense her curiosity and is like, babe, it's not worth it. Finally, the ointment's almost gone, Birdie can't hold back any longer. From the very bottom of the tub, she scrapes the tiniest little bit of ointment out, applying it to her own eyelids, and it's like a fucking revelation. It's Dorothy walking out of sepia into Oz, Birdie seeing the world in technicolor for

the first time. Everything is a thousand times more beautiful and vibrant and alive. So naturally what else would one do while on a kaleidoscopic acid trip? Birdie goes to the mall. That's so real. She arrives at the local market and is just happily tripping balls there for a bit until suddenly she starts to notice some fairies weaving through the crowds of people, committing some tomfoolery, reasonably harmless stuff like pulling a cat's tail, tripping an old man, chucking sawdust in a butter churn, etc. etc. But Birdie is outraged.

She recognizes the fairy who gave her the ointment and marches up to him and is like, what are you doing, calling him out on the bullshit. The fairy, it must be said, did not at all seem surprised that Birdie could see him. He's like, bitch, did I not warn you not to apply the ointment on yourself? And Bertie, red face, is like, um, I didn't. To which the fairy is like, babe, you obviously fucking did, because otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. And then, to curse her for her hubris, pulls out a red hot poker from a nearby fire and puts both her eyes out and they all lived happily ever after the end. The end! Wow!

Jane, what a story. I've never heard this story before. Have you heard this story? Me either. I've heard similar. I haven't heard this version of it but I've heard similar back when we were doing book of dust stuff for his dark and his dark materials stuff and I think it's gonna come back actually in the third Book of Dust coming out this October but spoilers uh James hopes that was entertaining and informative for us but also for all of you I don't know if he knew it was going to be read exactly in his verbiage on the podcast but it was um I hope it was good honestly

he says he can't be sure he got all the details correct. It's been decades since he read the story, but feel free to fact check. The main gist is all there. I guess we can all be thankful Daenerys never applied that ointment she got, and never will the Winds of Winter enters the chat. Uh oh, yeah, no, for real, I do think that that will happen someday. Hype. Hype. I hope it does just because I want to know what it does and how the fuck it works. Like again, do you apply it on your eyes or like how does it work? Yeah. I mean you've worn contacts before haven't you? Yeah. It's- I can't. I can't touch my eyes. Have you really? It freaks me out you guys. Like it freaks me out. People- one time I bought zombie contacts at a convention because I was doing a zombie costume and I bought them on the floor

and like I had four people trying to pin me down to put contacts in my eyes and I was like freaking out. I'm like I can't do it. I can't do it. Never mind. Never mind. We're not doing it. They're like Chloe you just put it on your eye. Like it's not that crazy. I'm like yes it is. You don't just touch your eye you crazy bitches. But yeah so not for me. Great. Do you wear you wear contacts right? Yeah but I had this like when I first, before I was finished high school, I could not get them in my eyes. It took me a while. It took me some practice.

It was not a first time or thing to do, maybe. You have to hold it open. I hold it open my eyes. Stop that. Here's the thing. Chloe doesn't need to. Fun fact, everyone. Yeah. Chloe has incredible eyesight, like better than perfect eyesight, in case you were ever wondering.

Unlike me, a blind ass bitch. Yeah, I'm blind too. I think I'm gonna lose my hearing though. Like someday. Yeah, I think my hearing will go eventually though. I think that's a thing I didn't protect as well, but yeah, I can see everything. I can see signs from two exits away and everyone's like, how the fuck do you see that? And I'm like, I just know.

But most importantly, Chloe can see red flags that I can't. Let's say that. This has happened multiple times. Let's just say I rubbed my eye with some ointment on those ones. Well, I got some shit I need you to look at. I got you. Run it past me. We'll talk about it later. I'm like a real life like Grammarly, okay, except for like people and things. James also again, just to reiterate because after that we got pictures of dogs, lots of

pictures of dogs. It was such an enjoyable email, like I really don't want to play favorites, but we've had such good emails the past couple of weeks. You all are outdoing yourselves. Keep it up. More animals, more dogs, more cats, more birds, more turtles, more whatever the fuck you have at home, more stories. I love it. I love it.

I love all my little friends in the computer. My God. Thanks for being my friends in the computer. I was trying to figure out if this was a time lapse of this dog or not, but the ears are different. I mean, James did mention in the very kind personal chat part of the email, you know, that he found us during COVID and that we were a part of his life in COVID and so his animals too, naturally.

So that's kind of cool. These dogs lived and her girl's gone canine. Well, Daenerys lives through the House of the Undying. But before we get there. She lived through the last chapter and now she's going to live through this chapter. And here's what you missed between the last chapter and this chapter in the lightning round. Boom.

Nice. We did it. We segue'd. It was kind of a segue. Starting off with Tyrion nine where Myrcella sets sail for Dorne, leaving behind a riot in her wake. Go girl. Yes, queen. Davos 2. Melisandre births another shadow, baby. John 5. John is one of the four men chosen by Corrin to go to the Skirling Pass. Tyrion 10. Battle is near and Varys tells a skeptical Tyrion a tale of magic. It's this one. It's the one that was in the email. Yeah. Literally eyeball shit.

Katelyn 6. Katelyn reflects on her life as Rob continues to win the war. Bran 6. The sea Comes to Winterfell. Arya 9. With an assist from Jaqen, Arya frees the Northmen that are brought to Harrenhal and gets a new job as Roose's cup bearer. Aw, employment. Very employable. She is employable. She's got a lot of skills. A lot of work for a child laborer. And that brings us here to Daenerys IV and a Clash of Kings, Daenerys Tripp's Balls, and the House of the Undying. Okay, so my take is if Daenerys is tripping through the House of the Undying and Drogon comes with her, is he like, you know how

you have like the spotter and the guide sometimes with the trip? Is that Drogon's role? Yeah, he's the babysitter. He's the trip sitter, dude. The babysitter, yeah, trip sitter. Why do you think he blows the shit up? He's the trip sitter. True, true. As we jump into this chapter, Gray, earlier you said that this is one of your favorite Daenerys chapters. I'm curious what your other favorite Dany chapters are and how you made the decision to pick this one out of all of them. So my favorite, favorite, favorite Daenerys chapter is the House of the Undying just because it's so immersed in magic. And I'm like, give me the magic,

especially where George likes to hide a lot of his magic. He kind of just put this chapter, it's just out there. Like, everything that is happening is magic. It's confirming a lot of stuff. There's a lot of prophecy going on. There's a lot of different themes going on. But I also really love the birth of dragons. I like all the magical stuff. The nice thing is like Danny's chapters do have a lot of the magical stuff. It's a great balance between the magic and the politicking.

But yeah, the final game chapter. That one's so good too. Iconic. Love it. The night came alive with the music of dragons. What? Holy shit. Perfect, perfect, perfect.

Last line. George bod Perfect perfect perfect last line. George bodied that fucking last line just was like yeah that's how you end a book he said to the publisher he's like take this shit and publish this shit. And he did. The music of dragons was demon wrath take me home. Take me home. That's Back on the hill, pistols fly Mother of mountains, we should really Take me home You guys need a mixtape. Girls Go on Canada. We think about it sometimes.

We have played with so many ideas of it, really. It could happen. Over the years we have sang a lot on this podcast, so it, really. It could happen. Over the years we've been saying a lot on this podcast, so it could happen. If there are any curators out there that want to go back and clip the times we sing, let me know, you know, let me know. Because I don't really have the time to do it, but I would if I had the time. We say some, we sing some stupid shit also, by the way, like stupid shit, so I would love to hear it or maybe not. That's kind of the point. Makes me a biker. Yo, yo the way. Stupid shit. So I would love to hear it, or maybe not. That's kind of the point.

Mix tape be a banger. Yo, yo, for real. Fire. Fire mix tape. Ugh. Alright, well, as we start this chapter, at the house of the undying, we are here where Daenerys expects splendor, but instead she finds only ruin. Yeah, it's a fun opening to the chapter, right?

Because you get this really great contrast between the opulence of how the rest of the city has been described. You've been talking about it as like very Las Vegas. And I assume like maybe the main strip. I haven't been to Vegas. I don't know what any of it is like, but it's just like such a very gaudy, magnificent city. And then it also plays with these assumptions regarding appearance, right?

Because we're thinking that maybe the house, the undying, maybe they're not that powerful, because they're like, bro, he just eats dust, and maybe they are, maybe they aren't. We will find out, perhaps, as the warlocks kinda come back into play, but not really. I don't know. We can discuss that later on too. Because, you know, they aren't really covered in riches. It's all illusion and appearance as we find out, but the exterior and then when you think that it's the undying themselves, they're just using illusions to appear younger, which like, I don't know, same. And they're also crumbling. It's also kind of interesting because like the undying,

they're just sitting at this table. They're not really, they're just dusting. They have nothing to live for other than what? Do they just invite people in and they're like, come, we'll like say weird shit to you. And it really makes you think again of like Mary Monster's warning of look to your call and see what life is worth when all the rest is gone. Like what is life really worth? Why be undying? Especially when we talk about zombies.

Right, you're not living. Yeah. The whole kind of chapter, well, Daenerys' whole experience in Qarth is kind of like a hands-on Gretel type of thing. I like a hands-on Gretel type situation where she's like... The House of the Undying has this,

it's trying to lure her in. So she's like, Piat Pree is trying to get her there. Zaro's trying to warn her against going. But I also like, Zaro is so shady. Is him warning her? Well, I know it is. Him warning her is kind of feeding her into more so wanting to go.

Like she's like, eh, I wanna go. I really don't care what you say. And we know like his whole thing with like him trying to marry her, he's trying to get her dragons, like which Jorah warns her about. So I feel like the House of the Undying has been this like kind of Pandora's box kind of thing

that Daenerys has been lured to and the people inside or just like the idea of being able to see the future and know the truth and see all these things is an alluring idea. It's very tempting and she's tempted with it. But when she gets inside, it's just crazy people that are trying to eat her. Yeah. I mean, it's not just, not just crazy people trying to eat her.

Sorry. There are, there's some maybe sane people. No, I'm joking. It is like a haunted house in a way. Yeah. For sure. Like the idea of them, like, Aliana, you saying, they're just jumping out and being weird at you. Like, it's like a haunted house.

They are. And- But in haunted houses, they're not allowed to touch you. And I know this because the first time I went to a haunted house, I walked through it with my eyes closed going, you're not allowed to touch me. Not unless you sign a waiver. There are some where they can but you sign that waiver. And it's like super extreme. Yeah but that's what the people want. Also I just watched an episode of the 2000s show

Psych where they're doing like do you guys remember the show? I'm watching it for you. Did you actually start? I really did start it. I'm only on three though. Man, then I don't want to spoil it, but like kind of a similar concept, right? Of like a haunted murder camp thing. It's kind of cute. But anyways, I really like that you likened it to Hansel and Gretel.

I didn't think about that at all, but it actually is absolutely like that with the eating and everything, especially because Daenerys is a child. She's gonna insist a couple of times throughout this. She's like, I'm not a child, but that's what the witch was doing. She's like, hmm, I'm gonna eat that kid flesh. Yeah, it's gonna keep me young and beautiful.

The veal of people. No, I do, it is the veal of people. And I do think like, we're gonna talk about it a little more today, but like they are cannibalizing her for her power, who she is, etc. You know? I mean, that's how that house lives. Like the only way that they stay immortal is by, it seems, cannibalizing power and people for that power, which is kind of like the big upper metaphor of like the entire system across the globe. You know, cannibalize, etc. Eating them alive before they can eat themselves, I guess, but I digress. Hocus Pocus. Yeah, Hocus Pocus shit, exactly. Zachary Banks, help us, save us, Zachary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that plays a non-zero amount of inspiration. Probably. There's a lot of inspo in this that I'm like, now a few years later, like a decade later of reading this, I'm like, oh, there's so much that clicks more to, especially like, reading George's novellas, right? I feel a lot more akin to understanding who he was in the 70s and 60s and what his inspirations back then were. Heartbreak. So you can see, yeah right, literally, you can see how they kind of carve out some of

his interests here as well in the 90s. The House of the Undying is a crumbling, windowless maze winding like a stone serpent through black trees with blue leaves. Its broken tiles and decayed mortar earned it the name the Palace of Dust. Even Drogon senses that something is wrong. Yeah, so as you were talking about they they like just like lure in anyone because they are luring people in to consume them And it kind of is also a human sacrifice in a way, right? Because we talk a lot about human sacrifice throughout this book series But I'm just trying to understand like because Grey you said that part of it is they're consuming her and her power, but do you think, like,

it has to be specifically magical people that they lure in and eat that? Or, like, could they just eat fucking anybody and, like, that's fine and sufficient? Or do they just, like, eat people normally to, like, sustain themselves, but this is, an especially juicy morsel. So I think it's kind of like any sacrifice. So like with, I was going to say with Stannis, but then like we're not talking about the TV show. Let me preface this by saying that I totally, I'm 100% believe that the House of the Undying and their black shade trees are akin to the Weirwoods

and the Children of the Forest and like the Green Seers being encased in trees, looking all dead and Blood Raven looking all dead and being like an undying one. But we'll talk about that a little later. But when we talk about sacrifices, when they talk about the breaking of the arm of Dorne, the hammer of the waters, there's a couple of different tales about it. And it's like, oh, the children sacrificed a thousand captives.

But then there's another one where it's like, the children sacrificed a thousand of their own young. Now, what I would be if I was a god, I would think the bigger sacrifice, if I was a god, if I was like a weirwood tree, I would think the bigger sacrifice is the children sacrificing their own young because they don't have the numbers, they do have like this magical blood. Like

at the end of the day, blood is blood. A thousand captives would work as a sacrifice, but would they work as well? Probably not. So I feel like, yes, they probably do lure in all kinds of humans and take their eat them eat up their flesh, but are consumed. They like the steaks. They like the juicy, beautiful, rare steaks, you know, flame seared ribeye. That sounds good. That's what they were thinking when Danny walked in, we're going to have steak tonight. Right.

Exactly. So so the regular, regular humans would be like hamburgers and hot dogs, where Daenerys would be like a tomahawk steak with lobster. Yum. Okay. Rappage is A5 Wagyu with that lobster tail like, yo. I like this description. Thank you. Thank you for, I actually like forgot all that also about the children of the four sacrificing their own young, but you're right, like in a way that means something because it's like their own too, and like how Jesus was all like, the woman who only has one sheep and then sacrifices that is worth more than the guy who has a bazillion sheep and

sacrifices like ten. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And you think of like the Iphicoavron that we've been bringing up, right? Like they're definitely out there in Essos. They've been all over Essos. I mean the Dothraki have a name for them, right? So that's like how you know like, hey, we have similar lived situations. You also have these little woods people that are walking around magically. And also the way you describe it makes me liken it to like idea of the house of the Black and White, right? Like you have people come in and willingly sacrifice themselves and say they're ready to die.

Oh yeah, that's true. And they also go out and they slaughter themselves. And also that powers their magic, probably, in some aspects. So it makes me think that, like, Dani is brought as a sacrifice, right? Like, she's lured into the city in the first place and they're like, how can we cannibalize you one way or another? Like how can we make use of you, whether it's giving dragons into the city in the first place and they're like, how can we cannibalize you one way or another? Like how can we make use of you whether it's giving dragons to our city or whether it's giving you to the house of the undying when you prove that you're like not going to give us what we want.

So in a way, like I wonder if they often do this especially with folks of rich lineage of you know, like we said like when they see a tomahawk steak walk by and they're like, ooh that would make a fat sacrifice for the house of the undying, you know, like we said, like when they see a tomahawk steak walk by and they're like, ooh, that would make a fat sacrifice to the house of the undying, you know, makes me think like trafficking them. I agree. They're, they're totally trafficking humans to consume them. But when you think about Daenerys, think about what, what is preluding her, like preluding them to meeting her, they likely know about Azor Ahai, and I know I may be alone in this, but I 100% think that she's Azor Ahai. What that means could be like from here to like,

what that means could be interpreted a thousand ways, but there's this ancient prophecy that a red star will bleed and dragons will be reborn and here she comes. What other like what a more powerful sacrifice. Yeah, them them being able to like actually consume her could have like made them alive again. Yeah.

Yes. Like this was supposed to be their big canon event. Yeah, like they were like, we're gonna come back, baby. We're gonna eat Like this was supposed to be their big canon event. Yeah. Like they were like, we're going to come back, baby. We're going to eat a Targaryen. Like that's eating good. Yeah. Yeah. I do think you're right.

Like I do think like it makes sense, especially like comparing like the structure of how House of Black and White would then get power. Like this is how they get power. And then there's like the entire overarching metaphor, right? Of like economically, societally speaking, that like, they're consuming her in order to have power and have the nice things in Carth, and have Carth be powerful and beautiful once again. But like, what does that mean? And it's not unlike the Dothraki pillaging other places, taking things from them. And they're like,

look, we're rich and happy. This is our lifestyle now. Look how great we are. And like, so it's just like that idea of conquering and eating and like the planet eating itself in war, which we see in the first vision, right? Yeah. And it's also kind of selfish to like eat, I don't know. It is weird that they wanted to eat her, but it's selfish too, especially if she is a Sora Hi, you know, like they're just going to use it to like come all the way back from I guess their weird crumbly state instead of like letting her like be out there and help save the world like that's bad that's a bad trade. Maybe they don't want maybe they don't want the world to be saved like maybe yeah they want the world to be in

the whole world to be a palace of dust they don't want it to be saved. That's a good point, especially because they're also undying, which the others and the whites kind of want to. Same mission. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And Chloe, you mentioned the house of black and white. And a lot of the research I've been doing for a video I have coming out is about like the children of the forest and how they're all over the world and the house of the black and white when you think about it, they call it the many-faced God and They worship the many-faced God

but we and we relate that and a lot of people in the story relate that to The many different gods of westeros that have many different faces But if you look at the action and their door is made out of weirwood, the other side is ebony. But we don't know if ebony and shade trees are maybe the same thing. Like the bark maybe? Yeah, the bark. I think so. Yeah, we've talked a little bit about this on, oh my god, on like a Patreon episode. I feel like we're a brand episode. The early ones? Probably. Yeah, probably. But like, yeah, I think it's that bark., on like a Patreon episode, I feel like we're a brand episode. The early ones? Probably.

Yeah, probably, but like, yeah, I think it's that bark. I think like a lot of the ebony weapons that you see are that bark, and like also then are they like related to obsidian? Right. And, and, when you think of a many-faced god, the Weirwood trees are literally many different faces carved into a tree yeah it's like okay I see what you're doing yeah yeah yeah you know something else it really sticks out here I love the description as we go

along about the warlocks right they're bitter creatures who eat dust and drink of shadows and I don't feel like this is necessarily connected connected, but it reminds me of Tyrion, right? Where he has the lines, the, a day will come when you think yourself safe and happy and suddenly your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth and you'll know the debt is paid. And of course Varys describing him as, you know, a shadow on the wall. Shadows can kill and oft times a very small man can cast a very large shadow. So there's something like drawing it to Tyrion for me. And maybe it's just like the bitterness in some aspects

and maybe who Daenerys will be in the future after having this encounter. But I don't know, nothing cohesive to say, but just something is sticking out there. Or maybe the undying ones were like Tyrion and they all had like, like life had turned them bitter. And they resorted to like the house of the undying where they could be bitter bitches all day. They do seem so. That's why they're not eating each other because they're taste bitter. But yeah, that's interesting.

Also, I don't know, I just think it's so funny that it's like they eat dust. Like what did burn? I don't know why. I think that's so insulting. You fucking loser. You eat dust. Well, like plus dust is like all of our fucking dry ass flaky ashy skin and hair and molecules from us most of the time.

Right. So like, they're also desiccating and eating their fucking skin. True. Yeah. You can't accumulate it. It's probably just flaking. And then, drink of shadows is ashy coated. Like super ashy coated.

I don't know what to add other than ashy coated. No, I do agree. That's what I mean, right? I'm just saying, do you agree with the buzzword? Because I agree. The vibe is that and I feel it. I don't know what it means, but I feel it. I can see it. You go to a shadow and you go. I don't know. I can see it. When in the description, when it's like a windowless maze, that wording, it puts me in the mind of the maze makers of L'roth and the base of the high tower being like made by the maze makers. So I'm wondering like how old is the house of

the undying? Did the maze makers make it? Like, I don't know. No, nothing. I don't have any further idea, but I'm wondering about it being called a maze. There's something to that, I do think so, right? There's something to that, I don't know. Especially because they could do like underground stuff, will we find something underground someday too? Yeah. I don't know.

Maze makers are interesting. Where are they? There's like, I forgot. There's something else we also discussed about mazes, not that were Lirathi related, but not maybe it was in one of the other short stories, but um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think it was Sand Kings. I don't remember what it was though. Something around that though. Not that, but something around that. But if, if the mazemakers made the house of the undying that means that there were

Giants she Giants mating with humans Over there in carth all the way in car. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah freaky. I love it I love it sexy. They are pretty freaky and sexy in car like that's like, yeah. No, I think it's sexy I love that car. There's like a weird likequeer ass, like everyone's got their titty out and like yeah, I love it. They got feathers and jewels everywhere. I'm like, it sounds like a fucking blast.

Happy fucking Pride. Holy shit. Yeah, I like the idea of the mazemakers being involved. I kind of forgot that about the Hightower. You know what it was? It was Hyperion, which is not George related, but I was trying to tell you about the maze stuff in Hyperion, which I think could have inspired George a little, I don't know. I think that's amazing.

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Well done. Oh my god, hired promoter. Amazing. Fuck. This happens to me all the time. Jogo calls it a place that drinks the sun.

I love that line. He calls it a place that drinks the sun and urges they leave before it drinks them too. Jorah doubts that it holds real power, and Zoro agrees with Jogo, saying the warlocks are bitter men who offer only shadows. Ago warns many enter, few return. And when Jogo offers to protect her inside, Daenerys says that some paths, Akal, must walk alone. Real. That's daddy. That's daddy. Wow. Well, again, Drinks the Sun is a shy-coated fuck.

Like, it is. When they talk about the oily black stone having a greasy unpleasant, it says it seems to drink the sunlight. Like even the brightest days are dim. So it's like, okay, are the same people that built this and did they, are they the like, has this been around since Ashi?

And mind you, in Karth, we have a shadow binder from Ashi who's just like in Karth chilling. Yeah. She's in a weird prophecy. And even just like the logic behind it, when you drink the sun and you drain the sun of its power and it is no longer shining because you've drained it of its power,

you know what happens? Shadows. As well or what the sun, shadows. Yeah, that too, babe, that too. That's the long side of the plan, yes, that is part of the plan, but that's also part of it, right? Like drinking the sun, to me, it's like you're channeling the sun, right?

You're channeling the power from the sun and taking the power from the sun and using it. And like we see Melisandre kind of talk about magic like that, right? As being able to wield it where we see other people Like Marwyn say prophecy you can't wield or magic you can't really you know You're gonna fuck yourself by wielding these things or trying to control them But drinking the sun sounds like you'd find some fucking power. I don't care. They're all like, I'm gonna soak up the sun It reminds you of the dragons though, right?

We have Drogon laying in the sun in the last chapter, remember? I think it might have been Rhaegal. One of them is fucking laying in the sun, super super warm. He drank the sun. Yeah. Or like Sunny D, taste the power of the sun. That's fucking crazy. Jorah pleads to go in Dany's place. He's like, I'll go.

And she's like, did you not just hear me? I said some places only a cow can go you fucking idiot. Anyways and Piat pre-appears during that time out of the trees. Fucking creep as fuck. And he's like, she must enter alone or not at all. If she turns back the doors of wisdom close forever." And Zaro tempts her and he's like, escape aboard my pleasure barge with me.

And Jorah shoots him a sharp look and is like, beware, remember Mirri Mazdor? And she's like, I will never fucking forget Mirri Mazdor. How can I forget Mirri Mazdor? Oh my god, he's just like mansplaining her trauma to her shut up drama. Every day of her life, bro. God, so fucking annoying. The fucking worst.

Get him out of here. He's, Piat Pree is like a salesman. Like that ass. He is. You would never get this sale. If you don't buy it right now at 50%, it would never be available again. He's like a TikTok shop seller. Oh my god.

Jesus Christ. High-tree TikTok, that's an interesting idea. Oh my god, he has a TikTok live, bro. He's out here with his 2016 makeup, which I have never stopped doing with his blue lipstick. Because honestly, if she had said, actually, no actually no I have my period I'm going home and I'm just like if she if she had said that would he not let her come back tomorrow and do the right yeah right miss this deal like he's being so salesy and dramatic like it's crazy yeah yeah no you're right.

Like what if she was like, I gotta go, hold on, give me a second. Let me get snacks. But yeah, because it's also interesting, you know, that they are saying if she doesn't enter the doors of wisdom will be closed forevermore. So dramatic. It's very hero's journey, though, like the way that she has to go into the house in the undying, it feels very much like the whole part where it talks about a journey into the underworld in order to like gain a prize, especially knowledge. And there's a lot of other divine myth elements

and imagery that are woven into her going into the House of the Undying too. We'll talk about some of them with the language that comes in some of those prophecies, but even like from the start of, you know, this is the wisdom and you have to take it now, right? Feels very much like Eve in the garden of Eden, tasting the forbidden fruit of knowledge. And everyone's like, but what if you didn't? And she's like, but what if I did? Except for the snake, I guess, also being like, you have to buy now, buy this apple right now. Great. It's very, like, tricky, like very like some shit Loki, Loki would do. Like Loki likes the like the Norse god Loki.

He likes to trick people into doing things. And I feel like he was trying a little too hard to trick her into like now or never, because he had gotten her so close. Like, it's now or never. I love the low-key stuff that's smart, too. Like the trickery, the mischief. And then also, like, what James was saying in the email earlier, right? Fairy tricks, also. It's very much fairy tricks. Like, later we'll call out some of the fruit and different other mythological and folk tale kind of like folklore kind of Nods that are going on. There's definitely all these like oh if you do X you'll be trapped here forever and ever You know I just really it's kind of interesting that like that undying they weren't interested in her dragons at all

You know everyone else in the world is interested in her dragons. They were interested in her specifically Maybe it's been so long since they've seen them that they didn't even register it because they're so blank. But I don't know, I felt like they were interested in her because her connection with the dragons is really important. That's something that's not tangible. Yeah, they kind of forgot the dragon was there too. They kind of forgot. I was channeling that a little. It's funny because even Daenerys embodies sort of trickster god elements as well. And Piat Pree calls her wise for child, and Daenerys replies that she is no child, and she leads her forward, the path stretching longer than it should.

Honestly, I feel like with all this time, I probably would have just been like, I'm simply not going into the House of the Undying, or as we'll discuss later on, I would have died. Those are the two outcomes for me specifically. And he calls her specifically as sagely as a crone, which I think gets echoed in the other, again, language of the House of the Undying prophecy stuff we'll discuss later on. And in regards to that divine imagery, really starts to liken her to those three-faced goddesses

we've discussed before like Hecate but even other ones like Kali I would say from the Hindu gods and goddesses. I don't know there's also kind of a sadness to me when like Daenerys has to keep telling people like I'm not a child and I'm like girl you are as a person of the age that I am I'm not a child, and I'm like, girl, you are. As a person of the age that I am, you're a child. You're a baby. And it's just really sad that she doesn't get to be that or admit that she is until the last chapter of A Dance with Dragons.

She has to constantly put on all these airs to be taken seriously. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think there's a vision that she gets in here that like speaks to everything that you're saying and highlights like who she truly is and what she truly wants. And I'll talk about it when we get there. But it's all right on with what you're saying. Like she doesn't get to be a child. Yeah, it's not right. In fact, like the only time she lets herself be a child is to use it as leverage against people with the

I'm only a young girl who knows little of war. Like she's actually just like still doing all the work in her head, so she does not actually get to be a young child, although masquerading is one. In front of men. It's fucked up. It's unfair. The emotional labor. My god. Though it appears to run straight to the palace, It's unfair. The emotional labor. My god. Though it appears to run straight to the palace, the road, Piatpry turns aside, and when she

asks why, he says, the front way leads in, but never out again. Heed my words, my queen, the house of the undying ones was not made for mortal men. If you value your soul, take care and do just as I tell you. And she agrees to follow his rules. Always take the first door on the right. Always go up, never down, never enter any other door. The same applies when leaving. She may see wonders or horrors, past or future or present,

but must ignore them and speak to no one until she reaches the chamber. Only enter the audience chamber. Wait patiently and remember every word." It stood out to me that he was like, always go forward, never back, right? It makes me think of the mantra that Daenerys repeats to herself constantly of, if I look back, I am lost and kind of that need to just like keep going. I also liked where he says, leaving and coming, it is the same. I wonder if this concept, specifically around these words, will come back again. I feel like it

has thematic resonance somewhere, but I'm not sure what. Like, you know, that the two always go hand in hand, you know, to leave somewhere you enter some other place, and this idea of the crossing of thresholds, especially as she's crossing to what seems like a different world right now, but it also makes me think of even some other concepts like of if ice can burn, then love and hate can mate, so like that idea of things that are opposite all being one. So I kind of like that. And then, you know, we hark into the idea of mods again, when he's like, we're like moth swings in the span of the undying lives. And I really butchered that line. But our little lives are no more than a flicker of a moth swing to them.

Yes. Again, we brought it back moths to the light baby. Yeah. Yeah. Blood Raven says something almost identical to Bran about the trees. Oh, Huh. It makes you wonder if that's just like different classes of power, right? Being drained and like interesting. Interesting. MJ, you've really, really inspired me. Like every single one is like same but different, you know what I mean? Like Bran and Bloodraven, Melisandre,

da da da da da, like cut cut cut cut. There's all these like wings. The system is the same. It's just translated into a different language for each of them. Yeah. Wow. I think the rules that he gives to her are interesting about the door, never go down, always go up. The first door on the right, always take that door because it introduces like a pattern for her to follow. But as the reader, it's a pattern for you to follow as well. And one of my very first videos that like went viral

on YouTube was on this chapter and on breaking down these patterns and visions. And when you start to recognize that there is a pattern to the visions, tons of things make more sense. And I guess we'll talk about that when we get to the visions. But I think it's interesting that he tells her that she may see days gone by and days to come and days that never were.

And I feel like the days that never were is like George R.R. Martin's like little Uno reverse card. Like it gives him some freedom to kind of move things around as he writes. Like he does not have to stick to anything, any of these visions. That's a good point. Because some of them were never, they never were. As he writes, like, he does not have to stick to anything, any of these visions. That's a good point. Because some of them were never, they never were. And they show us a vision that never was. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like a sandbox. It's kind of fun in a way. Yeah. I like it. That's smart. I think that's, that's a good point. He like gave himself a little leeway.

Might not, might not happen. And we will link Gray's video while in the show notes. You can also all review that as well. Oh my god. Remember after the Vision and the Hot D season finale how hyped Grey was? Oh yes. Oh yes. I was confused though. Remember that finale how hyped we all were? We all were like buzzing. We were excited. But you got, it was so personal for me because...

Yeah. I like, okay, I wrote a theory years ago, before House of Hathi came out, about Damon Targaryen, possibly being the predecessor of Bloodraven, which I understand a lot of people don't like it. But the amount of hate I got because of that theory, like, oh, this theory is stupid. That doesn't make any sense. Is it stupid now? Bitch. Right. So that's what I was feeling like. Oh, is it still stupid? Is it still? Isn't it kind of nice? It's kind of nice to be a little vindicated on me.

Yeah, I've been talking about that. It's just like, okay, like we make theories for fun and I don't think it's stupid. So like, to see the show- It turns out other people don't either. Yeah, to see the show go in that direction, I was very hyped to say the least. It was like we were all so just like giddy from that scene, that entire, yeah, so many

confirmations. We were very hyped. What an episode. If only there were two more. John stans like had a meltdown because they were like, John is Azor High, which totally plausible. John could very well be Azor High, but like, let us have fun. God. But he sure isn't the princess that was promised.

And that's on that. Yeah. And that's that on that. As Maester Aemon said, the dragons prove it. I thought you were using as, as Maester Aemon once said, that's that. Imagine. Basically, I really could see that Aemon once said, that's that. Imagine. I really could see him saying that. Yeah, that's that.

That's that. That's that. I was envisioning Maester Aemon being like, period. Yeah. I'm pretty sure like he says that also even about light bringers. Like that's not light bringer. Period. Period.

Sorry, bestie. the door, the entrance here is a tall oval mouth in the wall of a human face. a dwarf in purple and blue stands at the threshold holding a silver tray with slender glasses of thick blue liquid. everyone raise them up. drink your shade of the evening if you got em. my salsas. Yeah, your salsas. The dwarf is holding the shade of the evening, the thick blue liquid in a slender glass. Piat Pree urges her to drink and she's like, will it make my lips turn blue? Well, we're gonna get into what it's about to do. But of course, you know, George had to put a little bit of Alice in Wonderland in here.

You know, drink me down the rabbit hole one pill makes you larger very exciting very fun and I love them the rise of the magic rate Like something's really great about how subtly it's incorporated in Danny's arc because you've already had her birthed Dragons so magic when you're with Danny, it's like you don't think about it always as magic, right? You're like, this is just normal. This is what happens in Danny chapters but this is like an insane step in magic and in like We have in this book Bran and his green dreams, right? The sea coming to Winterfell. No one believing him

Catelyn with Renly and the shadow no one believing Catelyn and Brienne Tyrion and Varys and Tyrion being skeptical of all the magic Varys is telling him before the Battle of the Blackwater. And of course, Tyrion like manufacturing synthetic man-made wildfire, right? It's like cheating magic. It's like fake magic, lab-grown magic. And then while all of them are navigating, living in this new world, she's deeply immersed in it to a point where because it's so normal

to her, because she has dragons already, like the only thing she's catching up on is her dragons being like book two's version of the direwolves. Like book one you had the direwolves, you got to see them as domesticated magic creatures ish, asterisk, and their kind of activity and their bonding with the Starks. And then now it's like, okay, now we get to see Dany and these dragons bond the same way where she's treating it as her domesticated BFFs. So as she's doing this though, she's a step ahead, like she's in, she's dropping acid at the House of the Undying while they're all like, I don't know, did that happen?

She doesn't get a choice not to be immersed in the magic because she's here in the East where magic is, you know, loud. It's not quiet like it is out in the West. Yeah. I 100,000% agree with you. And I feel like Bran and Daenerys are like parallel to each other. Yeah.

They're journeys. They're very, they're like the two characters that I feel are the most parallel. And Daenerys, like you said, her journey is drastically different. Like Bran is getting like crumb fed magic a little bit at a time where everyone around him's like, oh, the children of the forest have been dead for a thousand years.

Osha doesn't know what she's talking about. No, giants did not fuck humans. Like none of this ever happened. And he's like getting urine's coming from the wall to like get recruits. And he's telling Bran, well, your maester hasn't been beyond the wall. And Osha's telling him like he hasn't been beyond the wall.

And then we gradually see throughout his story, it gets more magical and more magical and more magical and more magical, where Daenerys' story opens right up to her having dragon dreams. And now at this point, like you're right, she's dropping acid. And she's like doing-

It happens to us all. She's like doing cocaine, heroin crack, hard, hard drugs. And the people and they're all in need. They're all smoking pot. They're not even smoking pot. They're drinking. They're stealing their dad's beers, bro. Right. Right. They're still, they're still stealing their dad's beer.

Like it's- Danny's on the street, like got some acid. Oh gosh. Drop much? You gotta need menol. Like that's literally- Jesus Christ. But yeah, no, like she's in.

She's steeped. Hey, that takes, that's like harder to cope with though, right, the stakes are fucking high for her. Yeah, they are. Love its analysis. When you're reading the description of the oval mouth, the door is a tall oval mouth, the wall of a human face. Very Blackgate coded. Yes. Yes. And I feel like there's more of that in the middle of it, right? We're going to come to that because I feel like there's a lot of like comes back to what

we were talking about. A lot of mirrors of other places that have similar practices. Yep. Of sacrifice. You know? Yeah. One flute will serve only to unstop your ears and dissolve the call from off your eyes so that you may hear and see the truth that will be laid before you."

Dani raised the glass to her lips. The first sip tasted like ink and spoiled meat. Foul, but when she swallowed it seemed to come to life within her. She could feel tendrils spreading through her chest like fingers of fire coiling around her heart, and on her tongue was a taste like honey, and anise and cream, like mother's milk and Drogo's seed like red meat and hot blood and molten gold. It was all the tastes she had ever known, and none of them, and then the glass was empty. Now you may enter, said the warlock. It's a fun description, but also why the fuck is Drogo's seed there, George, you little edgelord? Spitters are spitters. Daenerys is a queen. She's a queen.

Oh my god. Sticky princes. She follows not specifics. But also, also can we just acknowledge that the way she describes Shade of the Evening is the way Bran describes Weedlewood Paste. Sans Drogo Seed. He's never tasted that. At first it's like what the fuck and then it's like all the things he loves. But no, I think he says Mother's Milk in there.

Like in his actual description. But no, I think he says mother's milk in there. Mm hmm. Like in his actual description. Well yeah, George loves shitty milk. But it's a changing taste. How does everyone know what mother's milk tastes like? Cause I don't remember. For Bran it was like three weeks ago. Okay, so like don't forget about that.

I'm just like- He's like two. And like also like how long did Daenerys like get to anyways? I'm just saying. How does everyone know? You can fill in the blanks yourself. Inside, Dani finds the four doors, heading right and stepping through into another anteroom of four doors again.

The room is oval this time. Instead of squared, she chooses another right door and enters a long, dim hallway. On the right is a row of torches, but now all the doors are only to her left. Drogon unfolds his wings, beating at the air, and she follows after him on what looks like it was gorgeous once, but is now mold-eaten carpet. Warls of gold could still be seen in the fabric, glinting broken amidst the faded grey and mottled green. Is it because I'm a formula baby? Um... Are you still thinking about mother's milk?

I'm done, I'm done. At least she's not thinking about Drogo's seed. Yeah, I was just like, is it because I'm a formula baby? Anyways, mother has told me... Anyways, we will discuss judgment of different parenting practices some other time. I love the description of like turns out inside the House of the Undying, it looks like fucking dusty shit outside. Turns out it is inside too in some areas, right? And it's like fading. And it goes to show that yeah this place might have been powerful once

and the house of the undying does hold right like magical power but what is the point of all this splendor what is the point of all this power right and when it's not maintained and also when you just hoard it you're not doing anything with it whereas we see, you know, Daenerys, she's seeking power, but she puts it to use, especially like we get to really see more of a culmination of that in the next book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like the description, the whorls of gold could still be seen in the fabric, glint

in broken amidst the faded gray and mottled green. Like literally, it's a description, Like it's a description of power corrupt. It probably once was the shit, but it's literally, it's kind of like a shy where like nothing grows there. It's all fucked up. It's all greasy and black. Everything drinks the light, animals can't survive. It's because like, it's so corrupted. It's so corrupted with magic. And another, I guess, analysis would be like, the White Walkers, like the children use like this dark magic to corrupt what, I don't know, I don't wanna say to corrupt a person, what I don't know I don't want to say to

corrupt a person because we don't know we were shown on the show but but whatever they did to save the world ultimately corrupted it like it corrupted it threw off the natural balance like they we know that they wind up joining humans to like try to end the long night because nothing can survive in those types of conditions. And I feel like a shy is a great example of that. The house of the undying is a great example of that. Valeria is a great example of that. Like you try to harness this power and use it and it winds up killing you. Yeah.

Yeah. Almost Pandora's boxy, right? When you start to think about like saving the world, but there's one bad thing that happens and you all now have to like deal with that. And I love that bittersweet, like George likes that too, that bittersweet kind of like, okay, you win, but did you really want to win? Yeah. Did you want it?

And like, yeah, you can be undying, but you can't change your carpet. Well, you just can't actually leave. Oh my god, you're right. They can't even paint a chaser fucking carpet. Losers. Also, because the point is like living, right? Like we learned that from every other plot that like broken men wasting your life, not living versus living. Yeah. Is it better to try to have glory and set armies upon the earth and burn everything down as

Men like Tywin do every day right and like ruin people's lives and yeah Etc to get what you want in your goals or is it better to live men's lives have meaning not their deaths Right and so the undying this whole entire world is built about how they're undead and they still live and it's like does your life have meaning though, bro? Yeah. Like you sit here desiccated. It doesn't have meaning. Yeah. And Dani's never had that choice to live, but... I agree. Also that carpet, I don't know, faded gray, mottled green. That's Hightower colors, baby. Just saying, Maze Makers. Back to the theory. You never know. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. What if the original,

the original high towers were undying ones? Well and high tower as a glass candle theory is like real, real thin. They got a lot of stuff going on in there also. Like, yeah, it could be a maze inside the tower. We don't really know. Hmm. Oh wait, no, we, I guess we just, we're told the base just were told the base was, but like I'm just wondering the other levels. Interesting. Yeah, I was just thinking even like not change the carpet, like they can't even like get

it fucking steamed back. Real. They're just existing with really no purpose other than existing. And eating. And that's basically what Drogo was after Miri was done with him. They're not even having a good time. I have like, elden ring thoughts, but we've got a lot to get through. So we'll come back to that maybe if we have time.

But anyways, she and Drogon hear faint sounds, scurrying, scrabbling like rats. It's me. And other more disturbing sounds, thumping and shaking, or a dissonant piping. She hurries past. Yeah, they don't even have an exterminator. My fucking God. Right? They need a spider to eat all the bugs.

No orc in man. There's this line, from another came a dissonant piping that made the dragon lash his tail wildly from side to side. When I read that this time through, it made me think of Dragonbinder? Like is that a dissonant piping? Could that not be the piping of a horn to control a dragon and bind the dragon to you? IDK. True. Yeah, right? Sorry, my brain's fucked up. piping of a horn to control a dragon and bind a dragon to you? I decay. True.

Yeah, right? Sorry, my brain's fucked up. I just, I don't know. And I don't believe, a lot of people believe Aegon's gonna get a dragon or Euron's gonna get a dragon. I don't know. I don't believe that anyone's gonna get one of her dragons, honestly. And if anyone does get her dragons, it's gonna be like, she says, I need dragon riders.

So you people that could possibly mount these dragons and do it for the long night. Like, that's the only time I feel like anyone will have the dragons. I mean, like, I could see some shit with the others or Yrion, I guess, happening, cause, you know, whatever, but I just don't- I don't see it. I don't see it! I just don't see it. Those are- those are her dragons, and until you give me a book, you really can't prove it. So I believe what I believe. What about Bromband Plum? Maybe, maybe. I don't know about all that. I don't know.

But I do think like that to me stood out as maybe Dragonbinder, right? The fact that he fucking swishes his tail, like that's some kindling for some stealing dragon theories that someone might take a dragon. Okay. someone might take a dragon. Dragon binder, like the sound of it is described by Victarion. It's described as a sound that is burning long like a scream. A thousand screams melted into one. But I wonder if that only you only hear it like that if you're Targaryen. I mean, if you're not Targaryen.

If you're not, if you're not a Valyrian descent, like if you're a Valyrian descent,, if you're not Targaryen. If you're not a Valyrian descent. Like if you're a Valyrian descent, it might not sound like that to you. It might sound like piping. Yeah. And like also the dissonance is what stood out, right? Like just thinking of like, at the same time, like maybe that is like a thousand screams. And also, I will say like that's somewhat later, right? So like maybe he changed his thoughts on it or something, but is it real?

That's my question. Like is that horn that Victarion has real? Is this horn the real sound or isn't it made up? I don't know. I still don't know what it is. For sure, see. The question I have about it is, are the sounds that she's hearing real?

Like, are they in real time? Are they actually, are they rats that are at the House of the Undying? Because Piat tells her there will be sights and sounds of days gone by, days to come, days that never were. So he says sights and sounds. So it's not even just what she's seeing, it's what she's hearing too.

I think that's part of like their whole immersion experience. Yeah. Like they could be, those rats could be like the rats in King's Landing. Like, let me show you what your daddy's house sounds like. I feel like it gives me Nightfort vibes with like the rat cook and the thudding, the thumping in the night or the thudding in the night or the thing that comes in the night. Also the dissonant piping is very much Red Wedding vibes. Yeah, I was thinking that too. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, none of these sounds, they might not, they may or may not be there. They might be induced also by the trip. Like also I'm like, is the House of the Undying, like does it work if you enter it? Like is it as effective? Do you see this thing if you don't fucking drink Shade of the Evening before you enter? Right, exactly. I'm like-

Probably not. Or is it just like a- It's like seeing like a theme park ride with the lights off, or on I mean, you know? Like you're seeing it for the first time and all the magic's destroyed. Yeah, but I like- Oh my god! I like the evening in the for the first time in the magic cisteroid yeah but I like oh my god because there's cannibalism there too but you get like the flesh like later you get like kind of like when they're eating her you get like a normal look at them almost too you know

when you said it's like a theme park where the lights are all off I totally got a euphoria a euphoria picture in my head of when Maddie and um Maddie when they ate the ecstasy and they were at the fair on the carousel. Riding the fucking horse. Yeah. And it was completely different so it's a completely different experience so yeah I agree. Imagine off the acid or the ecstasy. Yeah. Would it if would not be the same? I was thinking of before earlier too, even when you're like, she's doing fentanyl. I was like, oh my god. Rude, no.

I was like, oh, Christ. This episode is so euphoria coded. It kind of is. I mean, we're- In some ways, yeah. They haven't been wearing blue lipstick. That is 2016. But they're doing other things, you know?

The undying. Maybe they're doing euphoria makeup. I wear a lot of blue lipstick in 2016, you are correct. I still do it sometimes. Yeah, once in a while. I like a good gray-blue, you know? Taupe. Taupey blue.

I was talking about the Gris again recently with… Oh, I love a Gris. Wow. Dani hurries past, but not all of the doors are closed, and it's very hard not to look at what she sees. She sees a beautiful woman sprawled naked while four small men crawl upon her. One is fucking her, one is savaging her breasts. A feast of corpses slaughtered, a throne above the feasters with a dead man with the head of a wolf, wearing an iron crown holding a lamb leg like a scepter." Some of this imagery here like gets a little echoed even with the visions in The Forsaken, but also I just

want to like, okay, here's a little bit of my cope, you're gonna all get a really interesting glimpse into my brain of things of like, so this feast of corpses, it feels like it is probably just foreshadowing for the Red Wedding. And I know that I know that in my head, right? I know that this is probably just talking about the Red Wedding. But there's like a part of me that because I read a theory a while a long time ago, I don't know what year it was, that said like, well, it's different, right? Because it's the Wolf King presiding over it. And also the food is different and all these things. So they were like saying, this could actually be foreshadowing for a revenge wedding, right? Revenge for the Red Wedding. And that's, that's a bit of the cope that I carry with me, everyone.

I respect that. I like it. I like it. Thank you to whoever wrote that. And that's a bit of the cope that I carry with me, everyone. I respect that. I like it. Thank you. I like it. Thank you to whoever wrote that. I like it too. I've never let it go. I mean, you have a point. He's residing over it. He has a Lamb Scepter and we just heard all the clanging.

It's like an alternate universe version of the Red Wedding even. Just an alternate universe where he won. Oh, I don't even know if it's not where he won. Oh, a day that never was. Yeah, a day that never was. Yeah, a day that never was. He's residing over with the Lamb Scepter. It's taking like a fact that exists in the timeline and the very waters, but it's warping it in a way.

Well, to go with what Eliana is saying, Ghost is a mute direwolf. And it says that Wolf is watching her with mute appeal. Yeah. okay. Could mean more than one wolf. That's true. Could be Jon Snow presiding over some revenge. And let's be honest, if Jon Snow comes back, he's gonna be more like Lady Stoneheart than like whatever it was in season eight

Like just the same John. Oh my god. Mm-hmm I don't I don't even wanna I don't want to think about or talk about how they didn't do anything with John's character after He was in that show. Holy shit. Sorry. I totally forgot So I would love that actually I I would love to see Jon Snow with like- Go crazy vengeful. Go like vengeful and do his own red wedding. Zombie boy shit. But what about the beautiful woman?

Like the naked woman? Westeros baby. So it's the first vision she sees and I've played with it for years. Is it the war of Five Kings? Is it the apocalypse? But I think it would be very interesting if it was what's gonna happen to her if Drogon doesn't blow that place up.

They're just gonna like eat at her body. Oh. Right. Cause it ties into like the metaphor of also like her trying to rule and being eaten away at too. Yeah. And like it's again, it's not just that the undying want to eat her and cannibalize her, the entire fucking universe wants to cannibalize her, her dragons and her power one way or another, whether it's eating her physically or whether it's like emotionally leveraging her, using

her as you know, something that you can climb up onto onto the throne with. Right. And I also could see like, you might think like, oh, well, she would recognize herself. She's saying it's a beautiful woman. She doesn't say it's me. But who knows, like, how recognizable she's going to be to herself in the future? Yeah. But not to mention that, like, it's all in the, it's all like a little abstracted, right? So it doesn't need to look like her for it to be her and represent her. For it to be about her.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Because it's all... and we'll get into this as we go and we've said it before, but it seems that Shade of the Evening is more metaphorical, right? It's taking facts or unfacts and twisting them into a more metaphorical visual, which is very interesting. Unfacts is giving like alternate facts. Un-cat? Oh, un-facts.

Misinformation, at it again. We enter a familiar room again for her, where she sees wooden beams, carved animal faces in them, a lemon tree, a red door, the house in Braavos with Willem Derry telling his little princess to come to him, that she's home and safe now, reaching for her, but he's dead. And she moves on. She backed away and ran. I don't need this pain. Take her suffering and give it to someone I hate. Please. You're saying give it to me? I was like, okay, interesting.

No, I don't want her suffering. I've had enough character development in my life. Thank you very much. This scene is just, it's so sad. It's heartbreaking. Like they really came out there and like through every fucking thing they could at her, the you're home now you're safe now. And that's just like what she's been wanting this whole time.

Right? Like that's all she's ever wanted, even though she couldn't really find the words before. Like it's a deep-seated desire that Tohonestan goes beyond words. And there's just so much temptation throughout The House of the Undying. And it really makes me think of the other big Shade of the Evening chapter, the Forsaken, spoilers all podcast, sorry everyone, where you're on like dangles all these different like images of things that they could do

or all these other temptations in front of Aaron. And it reminds me as in an essay I wrote a long time ago of the devil tempting Jesus like out in the desert before he was and be like, I don't know, but like you can do all this stuff. And he's like, no, but I won't. And like Daenerys successfully, you know, as our messianic figure resists all this stuff. And he's like, no, but I won't. And like Daenerys successfully, you know, as our messianic figure resists all this temptation, but also just one more thing of like, I don't

know, it's just so sad. She calls him like the sweet old bear. And I'm like, man, at least one bear-coded person is positive here. Baricoded? Well, I'm talking about Jorah. We hate, well, I hate Jorah. I will never stop. So I think this kind of harks back to what you were talking about. Like she, she doesn't get to be a child. And you're right.

This is what she wants. Like Daenerys wants the house and Braavos. She wants the lemon tree outside of her window. She wants a home. And I think one of the tragedies of her story is that she's constantly searching for a home and she hasn't found one. And when she gets to Westeros, when she eventually gets there, a major part of the tragedy of her story is going to be, it's not going to feel like home. It's not going to feel like home. It's not gonna feel like home. It's not gonna feel like home. It's not gonna give her the feeling that she's searching for, the feeling of safety and of being home and planting roots.

It's not gonna be that for her. And I don't think that's in the cards for her. Yeah. It's really sad. Like even, I didn't really even thought about it this way until you said all that, but like, yes, the people are gonna reject her, but at the same time, like, it's just kind of fucked up, man.

I'm gonna, I'm about to project here and be sad, but like, when you live without, like, she hasn't had any psychological safety throughout her entire life, like, she's never had the conditions and also doesn't have the therapists there. She has these fucking crumbly people. doesn't have the therapists there. She has these fucking crumbly people. Like she has no no one there to help her even if she were in a place that were safe and accepting, would she even be able to let go enough because of all the trauma that she's experienced to feel that somewhere is where she belongs or safe. It's it's just really fucking sad. Yeah, it is. There's an earlier chapter with Daenerys where she's like after Sir Willem Derry dies like yeah her only like person of safety or person that's like caring for her is like her

psychologically fucked up brother and He's like abusing her but he's also the only person that's told her about home like But he's also the only person that's told her about home, like King's Landing and Dragonstone. And there's a chapter where she's like, I close my eye, like in my mind's eye, she's trying to visualize the red keep. And she's like, I, every, like there's a, I forget every window is red or every door is red.

Or something like that. And then her mind's eye, all the doors were red. Yeah. And it's like, damn, like that's really what she wants because that's all she's ever been told or ever known. Like she doesn't know that she could just not, she could just build a home wherever she is she's and she does have that like in her little wild berry quest in the last, her last chapter in dance.

That's a trick too. Where she's like eating, where she's like eating the wild berries and hallucinating. Yeah. Another very good chapter. She talks about drogon making like his little lair. Yeah. She calls it Dragonstone. Like it's just some of her chapters are gut wrenching. And just to know like what she really wants and who she really is and

knowing that that's never going to be a thing for her. It's never she will never be safe ever. Yeah, there's no home. Yeah, she has no home. But if we had therapy, maybe if well, but also like, it kind of reminds me of The Good Place, the episode where they get to like look, they have to like to get past their test to be out of the bad place. They have to walk, spoilers, down the hall and like hear people talking about them and not react and not open the door and not go like listen or confront.

And there's some, and like, so if you get to the end the character that I'm really talking about in this, Tahani, she looks and she confronts her parents who are talking about her poorly and she like stands up for herself for the first time ever to them and like they're pretty emotionally abusive to her and she like Stands up to them whatever and even though she does that it's against the rules She does not gain her freedom like she was supposed to. So it does make me think of that a little bit. But also, Dani looks here.

She does look like it's sad that she stopped and looked. So I wonder, obviously, like the consequences of this entire place are you're getting lured to get eaten and needed. But like also, what are the consequences of looking right? Why did they say don't look? Why did they say don't look, don't look, don't look? What are the consequences of looking, right? Why did they say don't look? Why did they say don't look, don't look, don't look? What are the consequences? She did look here.

I thought they said you could look just like, don't go in or something. Like you're going to see things. So I don't know. Don't dawdle. Yeah. He tells her to keep going. Don't interact though. Don't dawdle.

And this one, she does pause and it specifically says she pauses and dawdles in the text. So I'm curious. What does it mean? Maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't. No one knows, it's a surprise. It's a surprise. But Dani runs past more doors than she can count.

Drogon urges her on as she goes. And we have a bronze door next, grander than the rest. They open to her left. So inside is a cavernous stone hall with skulls of dead dragons looking down where in King's Landing. Upon a barbed throne sits an old man with long silvery gray hair, and he is shouting, let him be king over charred bones and cooked meat, let him be the king of ashes! I have a random thought that I'm gonna let stay in the episode of a... Okay, Dani's like in this place for a long time. Like, what if she needed to go to the bathroom?

Probably just shit herself. Yeah, I'm like, do you just like, what do you do here? Like, cause you can't stop. Like, do you have to hold it in the whole time? Why do you think the place is so gross? That's also true. So many people have pissed on the floor. I mean, like you might as well, right?

Like, they really need to change the carpet. Like the streets in the summer. Yeah. So these are my important thoughts. Um, also another important thought is, uh, I'm gonna get on my little soapbox out here for a second because this is one of my Roman empires. I think that Daenerys might remember this moment when someone finally tells her about her father and she's gonna believe them because like, I just think that the criticism that she'd never want

to listen to like the real history of her family, I just think it's an unfounded criticism. People point to that scene with her embarrassed in, she's like, maybe not right now. And I'm like, that doesn't mean she doesn't wanna hear about them. She's fucking busy. She's got a lot of stuff going on.

Also like she doesn't say, I never want to hear about it, or like, I just don't want to do this. She's just like, not right now, you know? Like, and I tell people, yo, not right now, all the time, about like less important shit. Like, if I, she just wants to give it like the real space for it. So I just think it's unfair. And also I think that- Also, no one tells her the truth, I don't feel like outright like they're afraid to right and like also some of them just don't know right she's grown up with Viserys who wouldn't quite know like do you think he'd be like you know

game recognize game dad like you're also fucking crazy I'm crazy no he'd be like oh my god that's absolutely so we're so aspirational and, I think she knows that Viserys was like, a little cuckoo, you know? I think she she would be open to the idea like, oh, well my brother was like this, so my dad would be. And like, is she going to accept it right away? Maybe, maybe not, but I think acceptance looks like a lot of different things. And I think she can can like believe it's true and still like struggle with the fact of like finding all that out, right? Like when you find something life changing about your family, like sometimes it especially if it's negative, like you're gonna grieve that. She's gonna grieve the image that she's had of her family, but I think that's like an

ongoing theme throughout this whole story Right like in general when you have a coming of age story a lot of times It's about younger characters finding out like hey your family or your parents weren't perfect We see that with the star kids we see that in a lot of again other stories And I think like it's not strange that she's gonna go through that. I think she's gonna accept it. That's all I didn't even know people were giving her shit for not wanting to like, hear about our family trauma. But I'm not surprised. She didn't say she didn't want to hear it. She just said not right now. We're fucking

busy. We just call for things. Yeah. What if like, it's like, Bariston, maybe like, you know, find some time on my calendar for us to like talk about, to schedule me a fucking dinner, like, or whatever. Also like if you think it's that important too, right? Like, come on. Yeah. If he thinks it's that important, make fucking time for it, Barristan.

I know you don't got anything better to do. That's not true. It's interesting the depth of the memory too though is interesting, right? Like she's seeing something that we also like make sense. It aligns with what we know about history and what happened. Like this could be a true canon event happening that she's seeing. So it's interesting because it makes me think of like, Bran's visions at Edoada and how he drawing from the same pool, right? Like he's seeing things in his vision. He doesn't necessarily know them, but he is seeing things. So all drawing from a pool of knowledge maybe? Like from the same

data set? They all have the same data that they're doing VLOOK upon? I don't know. The same TikTok. It's a spreadsheet joke. The same TikTok. I've been on TikTok a lot in the past few days, that's all. Did you watch what I sent you earlier on TikTok? Um, I think so. Let me check. In our chat. I don't remember. Beautiful stuffed jalapeno pepper deep fried. No, I haven't yet.

I'm behind. I have a few other recipes to send you too. Oh my god, when you watch it, I'm so excited for you. This is just like a beautiful jalapeno popper, but I really want you to look at it because I looked at it and I was like, Oh bitch, I would fuck that jalapeno popper up right about now. Oh, I thought you were gonna say fuck it. I was like, don't do that.

Don't do that. Um, that would hurt. Yeah, that would sting and also maybe burn my clitoral. Anyway, I've never mind glossing over. Wait, anyways, glossing over that with jalapeno in your vagina. I've never mind. Glossing over- wait. Anyways, glossing over that with jalapeno in your vagina. Hot peppers and vagina don't go together. Don't do it.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Or like, there are many ways we can approach this topic, but also the ancient lions allegedly would rub- I think I brought that up in this podcast before, rub peppers as a torture for women. That's some like horror edging. House of the Undying is great because it's kind of like a house of mirrors, right? It's showing you distorted images and visions.

You're stuck in the fun house. It's a trap. You have to like go certain ways to get out and you get stuck in a weird hallway and you're like, shit, oh, I can just turn around, but who would have thought that? It's kind of like a sort of cosmic fatalism being reinforced. The undying themselves, you know, it kind of is like all events are predetermined by forces that we only convene with is kind of how they're playing it. And you know, this is like a sense of resignation. Like this is how things are, this is how things were, how things could

be. Experience it, we're in control. And then you get to the end and Dani was like, no bitch, I'm in control. And it's amazing, which we'll get to. It reminds me a lot of the Odyssey, right? Odysseus visiting the underworld, which happens and a lot of the different spells and witchcrafts that Cersei tends to in the Odyssey and how Odysseus reacts to that. Or the Scottish play and the prophecy scenes, right? Very ambiguous. The Scottish play. Very ambiguous and only understood in hindsight and the Aeneid by Virgil, the symbol of Cumae, guides Aeneas through the underworld revealing to him the future of Rome and his role in its founding, right? And her prophecies are really vivid. I love, I just love how vivid they are, like they tell him,

To every region and had fired his love of glory in the years to come he spoke of wars that he might fight of region and had fired his love of glory in the years to come, he spoke of wars that he might fight, of Laurentines and of Latinus's city, and of how he might avoid or bear each toil to come." Right? You're offering power, you're offering visions, you're offering security. While this is all on a different scale than what Dani wants and desires, right? We talk about the security that Dani desires. This is a different kind of security, right? This is power. Power to drink from the well, power to know, knowledge. Like Eliana said, like Eve, it's full of these revelations of destiny, and they're intertwined with sacrifice and glory. And then we get

to some of the ideas of like, the Divine Comedy by Dante, right? It's a trip through hell, through purgatory and heaven. And you have those three classes, like Grey reiterated, of present, could be, was. And here it's a trip through hell, a trip through purgatory, and then also a trip through heaven. There are a couple different lines that I thought of and was really kind of rereading today with Divine Comedy of, you will be banished from the lovely fold wherein you were born and from that place you will be driven out, right? Speaking kind of similar to Dani not being able to really take security or take a home. This is

Dante's ancestor foretelling his exile from Florence, basically, saying you are not going to be able to come back to Florence to your home. And of course there's, you will return to be a star in heaven and your fame will endure, which is not unlike what the Undying are promising, Dani. This is Beatrice, speaking of Dante's eventual return to heaven, and a Greyhound will come who will be the salvation of Italy. Midway upon the journey of our life, I found myself within a forest dark for the straightforward path had been lost." And of course each circle reveals kind of symbolic punishments to Dante, to corresponding sins.

And something most of all is thinking a lot more about 20th century literature, right? We have a lot of modern literature that, I don't know, especially, again, rereading stuff from Dream Songs like George is pulling from a lot of different places and this chapter is the most referential chapter of the book, truly. You can't write a chapter like this without being steeped very deeply in lots of different literature that's played with it. And in Steppenwolf, there is something called the Magic Theatre scene that is very famous from 1927. And Danny's not unlike the Harry Howler character in Steppenwolf.

Harry Howler is an outsider who has two natures, human and then the Steppenwolf. He's very isolated and estranged from modern society and his journey takes him to a place called the Magic Theater. It is a surreal, mystical, reality-bending place that makes him confront multiple versions of himself as he looks around for enlightenment and truth. It's psychedelic. There are no walls in the magical theater. There's no fixed space. There's no real time. Time and identity dissolves and he sees all these fragments of himself, of his history, of his personality, and even like potential futures. We have these two passages that are basically House of the Undying. I'm like, George, what are you doing? This is House of the Undying.

And now I was standing in front of a black door with no knob or handle, but carved with mystic signs. I pushed it open and found myself inside a fantastic theater without walls where time and space melted and flowed. The room seemed infinite, shifting into a kaleidoscope. Walls, ceiling, and floor all blended into one, shimmering pulsating fields of colors and forms. Here, I was no longer Harry Holler, no longer bound by earthly time or identity. I walked from scene to scene, each revealing a

fragment of my soul and the universe in a dizzying swirl of sensations and revelations. And then another passage that I love that speaks to House The Undying. Three mirrors awaited me, the mirror of time, the mirror of space, and the mirror of illusion. Each showed visions, not as they were but as they might be or must be, bound in a cycle I could neither escape nor fully comprehend. The future was a labyrinth, the past a spiral, and I the lost wanderer caught between. The cryptic signs whispered, you are both prisoner and liberator of your own fate." And if that's not indicative of the entire chapter for Dani,

right? Right to her being the liberator of her own fate as she was the prisoner this entire chapter, at the end burning it down, I don't know what is. I love this. Period. Yeah. Steppenwolf, baby. Everybody get Steppenwolf'd with me. Yeah, I have a- I might own it. I'll have to check, but um, yeah. In your little- is it in your 25% of books that you're supposed to read?

Oh my god. I have to like... I haven't made much progress. Where you add on your 25% of your book delves. Listen, I'm trying to stay alive. I am barely holding onto sanity. Alright, alright. I forgive you. I will say, first of all, The Inferno, like if you think about it, the Divine Comedy, that was a very unhinged thing of Dante to do. Yeah. Uh, yeah.

His weird erotic direction. It's like not what you'd expect from him. Super erotic. And also I love what you have here with Steppenwolf as well. And I haven't read these books and they're not part of my 25%. I, you guys, like, you know, I do not intend to read the Wheel of Time books. Yeah. But it's too many.

It's too many. I have other books I want to do. And I just like, I love that other people enjoy them. I, they're not a priority for me. So. But I do watch the show and it reminds me a little of like there's this area where you can go and like the the men can see all of the past and like the women

especially if you're like an Aesodai, I guess, like can see like a bazillion different forms and versions of the future and have to like live all those like basically bazillions of lifetimes and potential futures basically kind of like less like acid more like salvia from what I've heard I haven't read the Stefan Wolf but it reminds me of like the Hall of Mirrors and how it transforms the people and it's part to their souls it kind of reminds me of like the mirror in Harry Potter I think it's the mirror of something. Erosan.

Erosan, yeah. Yeah. It shows like their deepest desires and some people could get lost in those mirrors and just stare at them forever. And I kind of feel like that's what they're hoping in The House of Undying. Like they're hoping you get sucked in and get stuck here. Yeah. Exactly. That's what it's for. It's like the shiny wrapping paper, right? Before they put you in the cage. Did you guys ever see that meme where it's like a picture of Littlefinger and there's a trap behind him, like a trap you would use for an animal and has lemon cakes in it? That's what they did for Dani here. You guys

haven't seen this meme? It's like a very old meme, sorry. I can picture it in my head perfectly from a decade ago. No, but I know the meme. So I know the meme, like, where a lot of people were putting different things. I know the format. Yeah. Yeah, somebody did a good little finger one with lemon cakes under the cage, like, gonna get her. But that's what they're doing to Dani here. They're like, oh, home, security, your family, which you can't touch, your history, your lineage, everything you've ever wanted to know and have.

Look, we have it in these halls. I will say, like, there's a lot of things that I don't like about the way that the show adapted, Karth, right? But I do think that it was heartbreaking and to an extent, I guess captures the kind of spirit of it by having the version of Drogo and Rago in there, um, in her HBO House of the Undying. That- that- that did really hurt me like in a oh yeah I mean if you didn't get a tear then you're you're a liar I mean however you feel yeah it gave me a tear

yeah kind of little yeah one of the things I I did like that they did with car is basically there I don't even know if they purposely did this I kind of doubt that they purposely did it I kind of doubt that they purposely did it. I kind of doubt that they purposely did it. I'm not gonna give them that much credit, I'm sorry. But they made it with the Zaro thing, where his safe was empty. His safe that he'd been talking about all this time. It being empty.

It's kind of like, sums up how Karth is. Karth is like, it looks splendid and they do a lot. They go extra hard out of their way to make it look so splendid when actually it's kind of mid. Busted. It's like me when people come over. I do a lot of work to make my house look clean, but like it's busted.

I'm just kidding. But like, they did not do that work though, because you can literally see all. Again, it's theme park with the lights on. It's like, like they did not do that work though, because you can literally see all again, it's theme park with the lights on. It's like you're on the ride, it gets shut down and you're getting evacuated and you look around and you're like, holy shit, the magic is dead. Which I guess really like racks up with what we learned from Melisandre and what we see of like different people that perform magic or in the streets.

But a lot of it is change of hand. There is real magic as we learn, but like as Melisandre won in Adabura, right, you kind of learn, oh, some of it, a lot of magic is actually showmanship. The amount of magic used is a very small amount. It's a very concentrated small amount. The rest is how it's presented. I will say about Karth, I think constantly of the scenes that they pull from it for a medieval world fun time land. And I always go, I ate sh- but I ate shrimps. That's it. And it's funny that you called out the vault thing I forgot.

Like they really loved playing with that trope, like with them saying Casterly Rock is empty. And I'm like, great, but like that impacted the story not at all, huh? Anyway. The next room- Exactly. Why did we do that? I don't fucking know. The next room, she thinks, she sees Viserys, but the man is taller, and his eyes are a dark indigo instead of lilac.

Aegon, he said to a woman, nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. What better name for a king? Will you make a song for him? The woman asked. He has a song, the man replied. He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire. He looked up when he said it, and his eyes met Dany's, and it seemed as if he saw her, standing there beyond the door.

There must be one more, he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed, she could not say. The dragon has three heads. He went to the window seat, picked up a harp, and ran his fingers lightly over its silvery strings. Sweet sadness filled the room as the man and wife and babe faded like the morning mist, only the music lingering behind to speed her on her way.

A fun scene. I'm of the unpopular opinion. It's not the most unpopular opinion. There's a non-zero amount of us. There are dozens of us, but unpopular opinion that Rhaegar was enough of a weirdo to name more than one child, Aegon. Oh, yeah. I totally think he's a weirdo, but I do not think he would name. I don't think George would do that. I don't know.

He wrote Drogo's Seed. He could be a weirdo like that. No, I'm joking. And he did name the biggest dragon, the biggest of Daenerys' dragons, Drogon. That's true. A lot of people really hate that name. Rhaegal, Drogon, Viserion. Well, people take Umbridge with the fact that it's basically dragon with one letter changed,

but you know, like, they're right. But I never really thought about it until this read through, like someone else pointed it out. Like, that's true. That was a little silly, huh? I've never, like, that's true. That was a little silly, huh? I've never like lingered upon it So I will say for the record that I think his name is Eamon like Maester Eamon There's been a lot of foreshadowing

So I think I personally think there's a lot of foreshadowing that he's gonna be named Eamon But I mean, I do think Rhaegar would be that weird But I mean, I do think Rhaegar would be that weird. But I just, I just feel like the show named John Aegon because they didn't have an Aegon. They didn't already have one. Because they never introduced him to the plot. Yeah, that's fair. He is weird enough.

He is weird enough to like be George Foreman. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cause all George, George, George RR Foreman. I think there's a couple of ways that could go to right? Like, I would actually bet money right now. I will bet you guys money on John being Egan. I do believe that his name is probably Egan for a couple reasons.

So like, stay with me. No, don't get fiery right now. You too. No, I'm just saying seven. What I'm saying though is, yeah, well seven, obviously. Yeah, that's the easiest, but also Leanna naming him that maybe because he told her there has to be a third head. Like I could see there being a misunderstanding or her.

Is this what the line uses on all the girls? Right, maybe that too. Like I need a third, you know, Agen had a third, but also there's something about and I'm I'm not saying that Aegon the child gets bashed in the head and he's like I still need an Aegon but maybe he was he was so obsessed with prophecy at this point okay like we know he was obsessed with prophecy did he get himself into a thing where in his head it has to be an Aegon. We have to have an Aegon. Like there has to be a third and we need an Aegon. If I don't have an Aegon it

doesn't work. Like did he see Aegon dying and that he needed an Aegon? I don't know. I didn't write the books. I don't write the books. George is going to do that. He's going to put that out. It's going to be under your chair. Get ready. But I think there's something interesting there or Lyanna naming him because of what she thought was his desires And then most importantly it doesn't matter Right because John is John John was named by his daddy Right. He was named by his daddy So like I think that's the bigger point is that like whatever the name is

it's a great homage and a great thing to understand but like that like whatever the name is, it's a great homage and a great thing to understand, but like his real name and who he becomes is his own. And also in the end, maybe his name is unmade in a lot of ways, right? Who knows what's going to happen in his plot, but I don't know. There's just something in it that I'm like, yeah, I could see his name being motherfucking Egan. God fucking damn it. I know it's an uncultivated could use. Yeah, could you see could you see this dream sequence being actually at the Tower of Joy and

John her instead or Instead and it's not Aegon I guess I thought this was Elia. I've always thought I think it's not it was Elia I mean I always thought that too, but also could it be shadows of different things come to pass, right, to your point? Could it be more than one thing that she's seeing? And I also think to your point, her up in a tower having just given birth or whatever, and then also the echo of Lyanna in a tower having just given birth. It could be memories mashed together and dreams manged together.

I think there's something there too. Yeah, I think this one's Elia just because I don't think Rhaegar was there at the birth of Jon because he was already dead. Oh yeah, they never met. And then she dies. So I want to point out another parallel. So Dany says like they fade like the morning mist. And when Bran sees Ned, when he goes in the Weirwood in the Dance of Dragons.

Let them grow up as brothers, let them. Let them, yes. When he spends it, when it changes, when it changes, it's like Bran starts to cry and Ned fades like the mist. Oh, interesting. I don't know exactly what's going on, but these visions are kind of like

on the same kind of medium. Like they're seeing him fading like mist and Ned fading like mist when Bran sees him is, I don't think it's a coincidence. It's like, this says like morning mist and then in the brand chapter it says like mist Eddard Stark dissolved like mist in the morning sun. Oh okay. You know what they say with morning comes mistfall. Yeah I was thinking the same. Yeah I know right bitch I was just thinking about it we just read it. Ohraith World baby Castle Cloud! Castle Cloud!

Wraith World is also one of the things of you were talking about the Amusement Park with no lights on that's kind of what uh it was all about right in a way. Yeah. What happens when you dispel all the magic. You have the permanent mist. Yeah. Yes. Yeah and the scientific expedition like trying to like prove its existence, but basically like ruining it. Wow. Wow, George, how could you? Okay. It feels like it's been about an hour before she finds a stair that leads her into darkness.

She realizes all the doors had been to her left and then she decides to look behind her. The torches were going out. She realized with the start of fear. Ooh, feels long nighty in a way. I don't know. I don't know. Terror grips her. There's no way back.

No door to the right. Only a descent, which is the opposite of the way she's supposed to be going. Drogon opens his mouth in a silent scream as the torches die. Desperate, she realizes the first door on the right was actually the last door on the left. Oh no. She dives through. She finds a small room with four doors and she keeps taking the right over and over and

over until she's dizzy, finally stumbling into a damp round chamber. Yeah. So this point, the one where she's in the hallway and all the lights are fucking going out and there's a descent there at the bottom. Oh hell no. That's the part, that's the part where if where if I even agreed to enter the House of the Undying, I would have died there. That I would have panicked.

That would have been my game over point. I would have panicked and been like, I don't know what to do and the darkness would have fucking come for me or I would have been trapped. But that's where it would have gotten me. She's definitely hit her steps by now. I would have died at the last's definitely hit her steps by now. Yeah. I would have died at the last door with Rhaegar. I would have went in there and slapped him around.

I really do not like Rhaegar. I can't even... I don't. He's a weirdo. But I wanted to ask you guys if you noticed a pattern in the visions that she saw. So she sees... like times going backwards. Okay, so she sees Rhaegar with a baby. Right after that she sees her dad with the burn them all. Then she sees the carved bed, the house in Braavos with the lemon tree outside her window and the red wedding.

outside her window and the red wedding and then the woman. So she starts off like she's walking back in time. Each like these visions aren't like random. Like she, they're all in order of the way things happen. If we're, even if we say it's not the red wedding, it could be something else, It still would be in order Yeah, yeah. Yeah nice. Oh, well, that's nice. Wow That's kind of cool in a meta sense to like George only had that much plan that he put into it so far, too You know what? I mean, like he's like, all right, let's put these big events

It's kind of crazy to think like he didn't give away too much yet. Nope, not yet. But wait till we get to the chamber of the undying Yeah to the heart of winter. Outside, Piat Pree is surprised that she's here so soon, basically at the threshold where he is. She insists she's been walking for hours without finding the undying. He says they won't wait forever, and when she repeats his own words that he said earlier about mortal lives being nothing but flickers to them he calls her a stubborn child who will be lost. This is another point that if I like survived the past one I would have died here too. There's just like a lot of points where I would have died. She ignores him and climbs. At the top, black and white doors of swirling ebony and weirwood stand open. They are beautiful, but frightening. She prays for courage and strength, and then she steps into a hall of

splendid wizards. Some wear robes of velvet and gold. Others are in gem studded armor or tall star speckled hats. Women in radiant gowns with one titty out move amongst them, humming with music in the air. This is freaky, this is very like, oh, dancing with ghosts, okay, weird. Earlier I loved too that Piat Pree at the front of the chapter, quote unquote Piat Pree, calls her wise for a child. He's like, oh, you're so wise for a child, as Eliana pointed out, like a crone. She replies, I'm no child. And then he leads her forward, the path stretching longer than it should, and now he's rebuking all of that, right?

He's like, come to me, child, come to me. Oh, you're so stubborn and ignorant and stupid and da-da-da-da-da. Like, he's frustrated because she's not going to his whims, to his plan, to the cosmic fatalism as discussed. She's not bending to his willims, to his plan, to the cosmic fatalism as discussed. She's not bending to his will. And I love that you see him, like, snap and turn villainous, right? Like the beginning, he's all, hey, who's floral and you, child, are so wise. And now he's like, no, you fucking idiot, get over here. And it's like, oh, the tone's totally changed, totally shifted.

Now it's horror. Got it. Yeah, he dropped his mask. Yes. Yeah. Also, I love the doors as we kind of talked about earlier, that face door that's very much like the Black Gate, but here you have that black and white door swirled ebony and weirwood much like the House of Black and White door. The door under the wall there, the Black Gate. And also there's one like this in Tobo

Mott's armory, so it kind of makes me wonder, because we know Tobo Mott seems to know how to work with Dragonsteel, is this like, you know, it's like the sign of a guild, the side of like a cult, like the side of a magical, like look, we do this magic, we understand this magic, we are all affiliated in this magical world. It's like a sign, right? Like a calling card, like, oh, you see our black and white door, you know what you're getting here, magical magic and death and life. So kind of interesting. I'm like, what does it all mean? Charlie Kelly on the map. What does it mean? Pepe Silvia. I for some reason thought that it wasn't Piat Pree, but like an illusion of him, a fake Piat Pree,

and there's another Piat Pree because of the child thing, and him like forgetting that, but it could also be him. He could pop up multiple times throughout this whole thing, place, because magic. And I don't know. She like walks down like, I don't know, a hallway by herself for a whole hour, which again prompts a question of like, I don't know, a hallway by herself for a whole hour, which again prompts the question of like, what did we do about the bathroom? But also like, I just like can't be left alone with my thoughts for that long. But also I guess she was with Drogon, so she's not like super alone.

And also maybe the fear would have just kept her like, you know, focused. So anyway, these are my thoughts. But I like that you called out also like, this is this weird, it's a weird dinner, right? Because it's all fucking fake. It makes me think of like ideas of the secret commonwealth or things like that with the fairy world and the fairy food and it's all fucking fake, especially because James just remind us reminded us about the fairy folk a bit ago and probably shouldn't be talking about them like this.

They can probably hear me. Yeah, like I said, it's book of dust shit, dude. Just leave them on the offering. Yeah. A regal man welcomes her, offering her the food of forever, per what Eliana just said, naming them the Undying of Qarth. One titty-out woman comes to her, saying they've awaited her, and a warrior in emerald armor promises her knowledge and magical weapons saying you've passed every test and now you may ask your questions. Honestly incredible that like she's so observant and so strogan that they find the other door but like I would have I also another point I would have died at I would have been like I fucking did it we're done I'm gonna eat. You are dead as fuck at this point. Dude I would have died at. I would have been like, I fucking did it. We're done. I'm going to eat. Did you?

You are dead as fuck at this point. Dude, I would have eaten. You can't respawn anymore. I know. I would have been so- You are out of lives, bro. No, no, no. If I, for some reason, like by some strange chance didn't die in those other

areas, like for some, like this would have gotten me, I would have been like, cause she's hungry. She's been in here so long. She didn't bring any snacks. Okay. And like they offer her the food of forever and it also again plays very much into that temptation imagery. Feels again like the snake being like, bite the apple, bite the apple, you want to fucking eat it or like with the pomegranate, right? We're talking about the the underworld. And

so her getting trapped there too with the pomegranate and Persephone. Love that. Love that. Drogon leaps from Dany's shoulder onto a black and white door. A young undying calls him willful and offers to teach her the dragon's secret speech. Doubt grips her. She pushes through a great door, then a plain one, finally reaching the entrance she came through. The wizards call her back with sweet voices, but she flees, Drogon returning to her.

I don't know, maybe you're right, like maybe Eliana, honestly, maybe this is the way the show did it, obviously, is not it, but maybe this is Piat Pree also projecting himself throughout, or the opposite, them projecting him. Yeah, because they're saying the same thing, right? The language. Yeah, he's projecting like all of this is an illusion and it's being projected to her. So it makes me wonder if it is Piat Pree doing the projecting, but also like that they call her willful and call the dragon willful here. Like they're using a lot of the same language, which makes me think it could also be him. It could also be like her, the weird, like maybe the house itself trying to consume her

too, like the magic itself pulling, you know? Yeah, right, right. That's true. Giving itself form, right? Like becoming personified, like the magic, the possession itself is personifying in a way. Yeah, it's like Hades with the randomly generated rooms each time. Yeah, it's like Hades with the randomly generated rooms each time. Yeah, every time.

In a shadowed chamber, she finds a swollen, pulsing heart glowing with indigo light. Blue shadows sit motionless around it, not looking at her. The only sound is the slow beat of the rotting heart. Mother of dragons, a voice whispers. Dragons, dragons, dragons, others echo. She announces herself, unsure if they hear her. She pleads for their counsel and she glimpses the features, the shriveled features, of an ancient undying,

with violet-blue skin and dark, thick nails. All stare at a decaying woman in the middle and rotted silk one withered breast exposed blue nipple hardened like leather. What a detail. I really want to poke the nipple like just like reading it I'm like I want to pinch the nipple I don't know what's fucking wrong with me I want to pinch the nipple. It feels like- Blue li- don't you want to pinch it?

It sounds like a I don't know some weird ring pop shit. Yeah. Like a baby was a pop. When I was a kid, we did a field trip to like the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Detroit, which if you don't know what Greenfield Village is, it's like a old ass like reenactment village at Henry Ford where like they're reenacting. Um, being old in times and shit. And we went there when I was a kid and I really wanted to milk the cow.

But they said they didn't milk the cows until when we were already gone, like time-wise of when the cows get milked for the field trip. And they told my mom I could come back to milk the cows if I wanted, but we had to leave on the bus so I didn't get to milk the fucking cows.

And I think I'll think about that till I die. So I wanna touch the nipple. Yeah, I got to milk a goat once so like fuck you I'm so fucking mad right now She's living her dream We can go back. I'll find we'll find a cow sometime. It'll be a field trip part of the girls gone farming It's like a simple life, but with us. I love that about you Nicole Richie and Paris Philomite, which one's which?

That would be so funny if we did. Anyways, I mean, I'm Paris, right? Uh, probably, I guess. I mean, with the stop being poor, James's meme, like setting the. It's such misinformation isn't even the shirt she was wearing. I love that. I love that that it got Photoshopped by everyone. I love that.

So none of the undying breathe. None of them are moving. She wonders if they are already dead and a whisper answers, we live, we live, we live and know and know, know. She asked that the visions were true. Are they lies? Are they past or future? And they answer shadows of shape. Tomorrow's not made. They tell her to drink from the cup of ice and the cup of fire calling her mother of dragons child of free and

child of three whoa that's an interesting Freudian slip on my part anyways child of three and she does not understand why three what throttle they chant again three heads has the dragon and their lips are unmoving. Suspicious. Maybe they're just talking about someone with like three dicks. Interesting. Have you ever thought about that? No? Just me? No, I've never thought about that. Imagine that being helicoptered around, they're just helicoptering their three dicks. Can you even helicopter three of them? Depending on like where they're located? No one's ever gotten to try. That's true. Have they? Wow. I think that we could ever gotten to try. That's true. Have they?

Wow. I think we could be the first. That you know of. It could be us. Three heads. Hey, there's three of us. It could be us. It could be us.

So we gotta find the tridic. A tridic. It's where you try to helicopter the tridic. And they're just. Try Guy. I'll see if I can order one on T-Man. Oh, okay. Oh my God.

Wish. I do wish. Amazing. There's this great bit, even the whites of his eyes were blue and I'm like, oh, okay, Frank Herbert. Yeah, right? It's Dune stuff, brah.

Literally. That's very Dune. And I love this actually because it? It's Dune stuff, bro. Literally. That's very Dune. And I love this actually because it does have some Dune stuff going on. Can I just talk about Dune during a Danny chapter real quick? Can anyone let me do that? Has it been every chapter? Where Spice expands Vision in Dune, Shade of the Evening tells you it's expanding. They're like, Shade of the Evening is gonna blow your mind, bro.

You're gonna expand your horizons. Solveons. But it kind of doesn't, right? Like, it actually obscures the truth from denariseness. It's instead used as like a weapon of spiritual entrapment, right? A weapon to steal your soul, steal your everything, steal what makes your heart beat and cannibalize you. Where like, spice doesn't, spice is life, literally it means life, and this almost is death. And we talked a little bit about that idea of Dani being cannibalized for her magic qualities, but it reminds me also of the Golden Path, which we've talked about with Dani, the very prescient prophetic path, cryptic prophecy, long-term plan to ensure humanity's survival. Oh, right, right.

And yeah, that whole thing where Paul's like, I could save everyone, and then he doesn't. Spoilers to come, you should read the books. And his son then takes on this kind of thing, big worm, and they see this path as necessary for humanity, and it spans thousands of years, kind of like the undying visions. It compresses time and it blends the past, present, and future. So it also points to like that heavy cost of leadership as a theme. Lito2, Paul's son, becomes a big worm and also possibly a tyrant, sacrificing not just personally like for himself, but also sacrificing everyone else's future as well in order to change humanity's destiny and

he thinks it's gonna prevent collapse and Lito too does like it is what he does is to prevent collapse in some aspects But Danny's visions are more about breaking cycles of oppression and in the end forging a new destiny away from these things So you have all these ideas of prophecy is burden, lonely leaders, right? Uh, Paul and Dani both have a lot of that in common, but I love the difference in what this is, is spice. It's own spice. Yep. Another kind of like, Doonie reference is like when they tell her like, we knew you

were going to come to us like a thousand years ago, we knew we've been waiting all this time. And they kind of like, well, the Bene Gesserit like plan. Our plans measured in centuries. Just like having Graion, just like having Graion. Measured in century. It's kind of gives like those vibes like, okay, there's this long standing prophecy, but we know that

like the Bene Gesserit made, they planted that on Arrakis. They spread that word. It's kind of fake. I don't know how to describe it. Like they planted it. It's not a real prophecy. It's a prophecy that they made. Just like everything they're showing her, right? Like they're showing her what they need to make her move in their direction, they think. Yeah. Yeah. And also like, really, you know who would have helped if we had them right now? Tula and Valia Harkonnen. Oh wow. Interesting. If only they were here.

Tula, my whole heart. Tula, your everything to me girlfriend. Liza and Catalin. Nega Liza and Catalin. Okay, random thought now from what you said, Gray. Do you think that the others made up... This is a random tinfoil. Please do not think I seriously think this, anyone. But could it be that the others made like the Azor Ahai and like

Prince That Was Promised? It doesn't make any sense but like ideas, prophecies. No it does, it does, it does, it does. So, Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, which I've done some videos on about Azor Ahai and I've had did some comparisons to Memories are on Thorn. So George says that like it was the Dragonbone Chair, Memories are on Thorn that like inspired him to write a song of ice and fire. And there's this prophecy in there that like everyone thinks they need to do. But actually the Storm King, which is like the big bad villain, made the prophecy like, it's what he needs you to do. It's basically, fulfilling this prophecy, like puts the pieces where the Storm King wants them to be. So it's like a false prophecy. But it's, I don't want to to like why did you spoil memories are on?

It's been out for like 20 years Like I feel like you didn't say that much I don't even know where it would happen so don't worry Don't but don't tell me where or what? But essentially yeah, but like yes, I do feel like Azor Ahai may not be like the savior of the world that we would ultimately think that they were. That's why I said like, who ultimately ends up being Azor Ahai while I think it's Daenerys, I don't think it's a prize to be won. Like, I don't think it says that this character is better than this character because they're Azor Ahai.

I feel like we don't fully understand what Azor Ahai means and what Azor Ahai is. All we know is that Azor Ahai is supposed to birth dragons, which Daenerys has done. But then it's also like, Azor Hi is gonna bring on a summer that never ends. That sounds just as bullshit as a winter that never ends. Oh, that's a good point.

I've never even thought about that, yeah. Yeah, they both sound kinda shitty. Yeah. Like they both seem out of balance and- There has to be a balance in the forest. You can't just have one. Yes. I mean, I am in that camp where I don't think Azor Ahai is going to be like the best or

the savior of the world. Yeah. I mean, I wonder like, is it several people, you know, like, is it people coming together that all fit the bill even doing it like not to cheapen whose role it could be, etc. But it just makes you wonder like is it one person? There's a lot going on with the idea of Azor Ahai. What if Azor Ahai was just bringing dragons back to the world and like that's it? Maybe they're different bits together. Exactly. Like what if we're stapling together like telephone, all these ideas that have been passed over through time and now we're all going off of it when it was just some random ass bitch that said it

once and it got written down 20 times yeah and interpreted 80 times right and we're experiencing this story as it unfolds and you know how they're like oh it like say you're I'm just gonna use war as an example like say you're in a war like there's a war in your country and you're like, what day did the war start? And they're like, you were already in it. It was already over, like it had already passed. So I kind of like put that on Azor Ahai,

like where the people in the story are looking for Azor Ahai and they're looking for Azor Ahai to save the world. But what if Azor Ahai is already here and already done what they were supposed to do? Yeah. And now it's up to you guys to save the world. Yeah. Cersei, right, with the younger, more beautiful queen. She held on to that part of the prophecy for her whole life. Right. She's held on to it like like it's so important.

But what if that's not even the most important part? And she's done herself in obviously self-fulfilling prophecy, like there's so much about it that like you're just chasing your own tail when it comes to prophecy instead of living your life right? Cosmic fatalism, like you're letting the universe decide how your life was enjoyed and lived, chasing these prophecies and trying to fit a mold of something when you could have just been what the, you could have beaten the mold and been out of it, I don't know, etc. Yeah.

Something like that. Not cohesive, but you hear me. You hear me. Vibes. Vibes. We vibe? We on the same vibe? All of us?

I forgot that part about the summer that never ends. I don't hate it as a tropical person, but um, we need other climates too. I need some winter, baby. I need fall. I love fall. It's so sad that we barely get fall anymore. You actually like do barely I mean you might get it this year I feel like you had an actual spring this year that has not been the case in a while. Okay it was not a weather person yesterday, so but it's June. Yeah I'm just saying there was an actual spring here that there hadn't been for a while in my opinion But anyways, yeah

All right back to the prophecy all okay. Now we're hearing from the voices mother of dragons child of storm Three lights you must, one for life and one for death and one to love. Three mounts you must ride, one to bed and one to dread and one to love. Three treasons you will know, once for blood and once for gold and once for love. I'm not gonna rehash a lot of this right now, but we did talk about this a lot with Joe Magician back in John 8, a Game of Thrones question mark. Well I think they all go together. So like earlier I was telling you about the pattern that you have through the house of the undying where he tells her about the doors. Okay, this is a pattern.

When we walk down the hall, okay, this is a pattern. Earlier, we talked about the things you hear, even being a part of the visions of the immersion and of the experience, and she's supposed to even take away the things that she hears. So when she doesn't understand, she's like, help me show me. And they start showing her provisions and saying the words. They all go together. Yeah, no, that's true. They all are a part of one sequence. Good point. They do. Oh, it's kind of fun to think of it as a translation. It's like a children's book.

They're trying to tell her things and she doesn't understand so they show it to her in a way. Yeah, like a children's like this is how okay we'll show it to you. We'll break it down for you. Here, so it's like a translation. Okay, it reminds me of this thing in Doctor Who. Sorry. And apologizing in advance. It's like the TARDIS we've talked about before, the TARDIS in Doctor Who translates other languages. And that's like a loophole in the show. Like it's kind of cheesy, but like you never hear other alien languages really because the TARDIS translates it

for the characters that you're following. So like, that's what they did. Like they did a translation for her. Like they were like, oh, we will take our alien format and turn it into something you can understand through your family, through your bloodline, through history. Here you go. Yeah. Interesting. Well, also, like, I love that. Yes. I don't always process information great, ironically, even though I have a podcast in audio format. So I'm a visual, like verbally reading and understanding information and also visually work. So maybe they were like, maybe she just like needs different information processing and also for what it's worth, like, I just don't think when they're

like, help her show her, I was like, this wasn't helpful. You did not help. Like this was even more confusing. Confusing her. Well, let me help. Let me help. Okay. I'm glad Gray is here to help because I was like, this wasn't helpful for dying.

The way I interpret it is the three fires, the three treasons and the mounts, like they all go together. So when they say three fires, most you like one for life, one for death, one for love, three mounts, one to bed. So the first one in each sequence goes together. So the fire for life, the mount to bed, the treason for blood all go together. And then she shows-

Huh, fuck. They tell her like she'll be a daughter of death, a slayer of lies. It's a bride of fire. So in each fire, treason, mount, daughter of death has to fit in there, slayer of lies has to fit in there, and bride of fire has to fit in there.

And then they show her images and those images also has to fit in there. And then they show her images, and those images also have to fit in there, but they're like in sequential order. So they mock her, right? At first they're like really rude, and then they say, show her, like, oh my God, bitch, we're telling you, now you want us to show you. And then they show the visions and it's,

the seris screamed as the molten gold ran down his cheeks and filled his mouth. A tall lord with copper skin and silver gold hair stood beneath the banner of the fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince and he sank to his knees in the water

and with his last breath murmured a woman's name. And then they chant, mother of dragons, daughter of death. So you have Viserys, Rhaego and Rhaegar. And they give her daughter a death. So if you use the pattern that I'm using, the first person she sees in that sequence goes with fire for life, mount to bed, treason for blood, would go with Viserys,

because he's the first thing in that daughter of death sequence. The next thing to go in that sequence is gonna be Stannis, the blue-eyed king that's casting no shadow. So they tell her, they give her the Slayer of Lies, and they give her three images. So I'll just actually read it,

cause it's easier that way. Glowing like a sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue eyed king who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst the cheering crowd. From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing breathing shadow fire. Mother of dragons, slayer of lies.

So the blue-eyed king that casts no shadow, that, do we agree that's Stannis? Probably. Yeah, probably. He's fucked all his shadows away. What? He did. That's what happens when you come inside, everyone.

Oh my God, it's only treason if you come inside. Yeah, that's true. That's why treasons you all know. So Stannis is a lie that she needs to slay and that's going to go with that first sequence. So we have Stannis Viserys and then we have the next thing is it says her silver was trotting through the grass to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars A corpse stood at the prow of a ship eyes bright in his dead face gray lips smiling sadly A blue flower grew from chink in a wall of ice and filled the air with sweetness

mother of dragons ride of fire so The silver trotting through the grass to the Darkling stream beneath the Sea of Stars is gonna go with that first sequence. And that's her wedding night to call Drogo. But essentially, I feel like the first one is easy because it's already happened. The fire for life, in my opinion, is the dragons being reborn.

So that means that when the dragons were reborn, she slayed a lie. And that lie was that Stannis is Azor Ahai. And she became a daughter of death. Viserys died. Viserys was killed by Drogo, daughter of death. So she inherits like who she's supposed to be because this person died.

Because he died, now she's on the quest for the Iron Throne. She's the last living Targaryen because he died. But because she births dragons with this fire, it slays the lie that Stannis is Azor Ahai. It's showing her this horse, your wedding night, you were a bride of fire on your wedding night to call Drogo. Each sequence has things that go with it.

In my video that I did on it years and years ago, I actually use images and words on the screen to show you because I do understand that this sounds like rambling. I think it makes sense. I think, but also, yeah. We will also link your video. It's a lot. Yeah.

We will link your video. Yeah, it's a lot. But essentially, like, when they call her a daughter of death and like they show her Rago, like Rago was supposed to be the stallion who mounts the world. And many people feel like that is Daenerys now.

Like Daenerys unites the Kalasar into one. In the show she does it, but I'm almost 100% sure she's going to do it in the book. Because there's some imagery here and that we're going to get to that points to that. But there's also Rhaegar dying and Rhaegar thought that he was like this prince who was promised and he dies in the water like daughter of death. This now passes to Daenerys. Actually Daenerys is- Her inheritance. Is this prince of prom. Yeah. She inherited. I love that. And then you have when you say like slayer

of lies, you have a cloth dragon kill him kill him kill that fake motherfucker for me a dragon yeah for me do it for me danny just for fun i don't know i'm kind of a messy bitch who likes drama so yeah do it it also makes you question because you are shown visceris in that sequence like are the treasons for blood, are they treasons that will be committed against her, or are they treasons that she commits? Like are they seen as like killing your brother, killing your nephew, killing your- That is technically treason, that's true, yeah. Killing the could-be kings, they were the would-be kings right before her. Killing the could be kings.

They were the would be kings, right? Before her. Oh yeah. The last Danny chapter when she sees Viserys and she says like, you betrayed me. And he's like, no, you were the betrayer. He's an abuser and I don't think she betrayed him at all. But like when you read chapters from people that don't have the inner knowings of what's going on like Arianne. Yeah.

Arianne's like, oh, I hope she doesn't treat my brother like she treated hers. Like girl, her brother was fucking psycho. Wait, but, but. Yeah. But wait. It's interesting because like Tyrion knows, you know, Tyrion knows she was like a little, he was a little weird, visceris, you know, right? Like.

Yeah. Yeah. And he knows about having abusive family members. He was a little weird Viserys, you know, right? Like, yeah. Yeah. And he knows about having abusive family members. If anyone's familiar with having abusive family members, it's Tyrion. Yeah, that's him. Yeah. So he gets it.

But yeah, I usually don't like the idea of like her betraying people as being the treasons that you know, but like, that's a good point if it's's against other kings because technically it was treason with Viserys. I hadn't really like considered it like that. If it's against other kings, then it does count as treason. In some people's eyes. Yeah. Some people might see it that way, huh? Well, Samus wouldn't. Especially the people that... yeah. Right? Well, yeah he would because he's a hypocrite, but that's another story. Yeah, I love your breakdown of all of this, Gray. And I love that like you have this great mix of not just the cold, like, oh,

treasons and murder. You also have the sweet stuff, right? Like you have the romance. You have Rhaegar. Rhaegar? Who am I killing? Rhaegar? You have Rhaegar falling to his knees whispering a woman's name and like yes, fuck Rhaegar, but also yes, I get it. That's the romanticism. That's the knight, you know, dying, whispering a woman's name. You have her silver trotting beneath the stars, reliving her wedding night, maybe what she has now replaced as a sweet memory, which at the time it was maybe more of a scary memory.

Then you have that blue flower. Yeah. Right? The Liana, John, Rhaegar, yadda yadda yadda flower growing in the chink of a wall of ice filling the air with sweetness. And it really, Eliana and I keep threatening to read this together actually, but it's been a while for me, about 100 years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez from 1967. So I'm not convinced that George didn't read this often because it's of the era of a classic, really classic book, but basically it's a novel following the Buendia family. It's a multi-generational family who lives in a fictional isolated place that used to

be a jungle basically, and follows them over a century and the story is steeped in like prophecy, magic, cycles of fate, and of course incest. Remind you of anyone, guys? Especially the specific kind of incest that it is. And to neck the incest. I've also legit thought about asking him if it inspired. I think it did because as we go through this, like so the novel follows the family over a century as they experience love, tragedy, fleeting success. It's basically fire and blood. And it's all intertwined with magical elements that are treated normally and ordinary, right? So earlier, like I said about Dani's plot, Dani's plot treats magic very normally in some aspects, where in other plots it's like, oh geez, magic's happening, what are we doing, can you believe it?

But Danny's plot just happens and that's the world we're in. So the things that are magical- We're gonna do a little light blood magic. Yeah, so the Blendia family is kind of similar, right? Like characters in this- they have a character that ascends to heaven. There's a plague of insomnia that causes memory loss and time itself starts to unravel the very fabric of it. So there are a lot of other motifs, like repeating names in the family, just saying. Sins, destiny, all this mystical, they have mystical parchment that are basically like prophecy that predict their futures and they're

full of riddles and destiny and again incest and there's even in this story a blue flower which is related to a pair who have an incestuous relationship and have a baby who was born with like a talismanic blue flower birthmark on his chest and it's very doomed fate tragic consequences yada y a blue rose case, if you will, and there are these passages that I have to share with you too. Reshare. Share. We're gonna share together. The insomnia plague spread like a silent mist that blurred the boundaries between days

and nights until time lost all meaning. The clock stopped, the sun rose without warning, and the living and dead wandered the town indistinguishably. Melquede's parchment, covered with strange symbols and prophecies, became the only anchor in the shifting haze. Reality was suspended in a liminal space where memory and forgetfulness, past and future, danced together in an eternal present. There's also Melquede parchments were written in a

language that twisted and turned upon itself like the wind around the walls of Macondo. They will come and go, the text said, and the town will live in cycles, forever repeating the sins and joys of the past. Only when the last leaf falls will the book be complete and all will be revealed. The Buendia family read and reread these lines, never certain whether they foretold doom or salvation. Hmm. Hmm.

I don't know. Interesting. I'm just saying very interesting. Very interesting. Very similar. And just like the Buendias, Dani is surrounded by visions of prophecy, repetition, and a legacy that she's both a product of, but also trying to escape in some aspects. The House of the Undying is that space where time warps, memory and vision blurs, and prophecy can either trap you or empower you.

It's a moment where she's offered this illusion of destiny and instead gets to burn it down at the end. In that way, it kind of reminds me of Angela Carter, a lot of her writings, like The Bloody Chamber, choosing fire, choosing freedom, refusing to be passively written into someone else's tragic pattern. There's this line in The Bloody Chamber, I had done nothing but that was the marrow of my tragedy, that I had done nothing. Or from Company of Wolves, she knew she was nobody's meat. There's a lot of 20th century just literature like 100 Years of Solitude or Angela Carter that covers cyclical fate and

destiny cycles and prophecy. And at the end, Dani and Drogan do burn their way out. They choose their path despite these visions of destiny, these predestined moments, and also in spite of the past. I think how dramatic is it that what you're reading and it says that the family reads these lines never certain whether they're foretold doom or salvation. Like is there literally no in between? Yeah. Of doom. It's either doom or salvation. I mean that's the Targaryens in some aspects, right? Doom and salvation. It's one of the it's two sides of the same coin for them. Look at Rhaegar in his scrolls. Yeah, there's no in between. There's no in between. When you're dramatic, you're the greatest king or you're bat

shit crazy. Yeah. Well, you win or you die. The Buendia family is a little like that. Like, sometimes I thought about like, what's his name? Jose Arcadia or something? Like it felt a little... the visions that he would have of Macondo and like the a city made of glass and shit would sometimes make me think of like Aries being like, I'm dreaming of this castle, this white castle and shit. So yeah. I'm gonna make the deserts and dorm run with water. Yeah. But yeah, the ending of it especially, I'm just make the deserts and dorm run with water. Yeah. But yeah, the ending of it especially, I'm just like, interesting. Very interesting.

It's a very specific pairing. Anyways, yeah, I don't know much about Angela Chamber though. Or Angela Carter. Oh, I think you'd like her. Angela Carter, yeah, I think you'd like her. I have to check it out. Do rec. First one that I mentioned is actually pretty short.

Like I think it's like 88 pages or something on my E-rater. I mean, yeah, I used to know someone who had a what, golden fish tattoo. I was like, that's an interesting, that's fun. It's fun, right? Anyways, yeah, if you're dramatic, like the Buendia family or the Targaryens, there is no in between between doom or salvation. You win or you die. Yeah, I was actually thinking the same points.

But here, here, still, we're still in these visions. They speed up as shadows roll and dance, and a barefoot girl runs through a house with a red door, big sad. Miriam Mazur screams in flames as a dragon burst from her brow, so Athena-coated. A naked man is dragged from a silver horse. A white lion runs through tall grass. Naked crones rise from a lake beneath the mother of mountains. They're like 30. Ten thousand slaves lift bloodstained hands, screaming, Mother! Mother! Mother! Sleigh. Black wings beat around her head. A furious scream pierces the air and the

visions vanish. The undying surround her, pulling at her clothes, fingers tangled in her hair. She cannot move. A hand twists her bare nipple. What the fuck. Teeth graze her throat. Like, I feel like that was so unnecessary to eat her. Um, with her mouth closed, she's a group of one eye, biting, sucking, and licking. And honestly, it was just so weird of them. Like they like really just like did her before they like chomped in the whole thing. You want to get a good taste, right? I don't know.

Like why did they need to twist her titty like that? It was very weird. Maybe they wondered if it was going to be leathery and blue. Like I did. Is it blue raspberry? I'm still on that. They want to milk her. Yeah.

They want to milk her. They want to milk her. They want to milk her. They want to milk a cow. She did like- I'm sorry. But- It's bullshit. The imagery of it brings you back to the very first vision she saw when she came in.

Yeah, exactly. And I mean- Like it's that, it's that feel. Yeah. It very much plays into that metaphor of like also what we were talking about, right? Like you were discussing earlier how she never belongs to herself, even the people that she rules, like she she says you know that she doesn't belong to herself, a queen belongs to her people in the later books so you can really see that coming forward here as they try to

as it all consumes her and then we have then Indigo turned to orange and whispers turned to screams. I loved that and also I'm like is this the icicle work? Is this a reference to the song whisper to a scream George? I see you. Danny's heart is pounding but suddenly the hands and mouths are gone and Drogon above is tearing at the terrible dark heart, ripping the flesh to ribbons and fire flies from his jaw, burning the undying, their voices crying out. Their flesh was crumbling parchment, their bones dry wood soaked in tallow. They danced as the flames consumed them, they staggered and writhed and spun and raised blazing hands on high, their fingers bright as torches."

Oooh. Dani calls for Drogon through the blaze of fire in the room, and he flies to her. She runs, searching for a door, any door, but there's nothing, only twisting stone walls and floor moving underneath her feet. They really romanticized the way it sounded with them dying, huh? Um, yeah. I guess... Sounded beautiful. Yeah.

I guess a lot of them survived though, only to, you know, get captured by Euron. Right? Fucked up. Dani like going through this whole time, you can't touch me, you can't touch me. I know you can't touch me. Yeah. Um, I think it's interesting that they did let Drogon come in with her because they're all like, you have to go in alone. So I thought that was an interesting loophole that she was allowed to bring him. I guess they thought they were going to eat him.

That's why they love her. I think they underestimated her. Obviously. I don't think she, they thought she'd be able to do anything with Drogon because they tell her like, let me teach you the dragon speech. Like she doesn't know to do anything with Drogon because they tell her like, let me teach you the dragon speech. Like she doesn't know how to communicate with him. They are treating her like she's a child,

Piat Pree, like you guys pointed out, calls her a child and underestimate her. So I feel like they let her bring Drogon in just because they wanted her to come so bad. And also he would be a good sack. he would be a, a, probably a good sacrifice too. Yeah. I wonder if like also you said something that made me think that maybe obviously other people have probably tried to fight their way out and like, is it because it's a magical fire

that it's able to burn them as opposed to like maybe a normal fire? They got cocky. Yeah. Dragon fire. They got that dragon fire special. Yeah. It's dragon fire. It did seem pretty special.

I mean, it is a, like you said, it's a magical fire. Yeah. I do think it's different than the other fires. Yeah, that she lights for, oh wait. Oh no, I meant just like in general, you said, it's a magical fire. Yeah. I do think it's different than the other fires. Yeah. That she lights for... Oh, wait. Oh, no. I meant just like in general, you know, there's other fires.

Like the fire that I make. Well, it's good to like put in mind with wildfire, right? Which again, synthetic and is being made right now and is about to be deployed on the city and out of the city. Yeah. Something interesting there. Davos. I think it's Davos and Stannis, they're talking and Stannis says like dragons are magic

when they talk about how Stannis is like shadow baby killing his way to the throne. And he's like, did Aegon conquer with dragons? Well, dragons are magic. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, magical fire. Yes. Would she have went without Drogon?

I don't know. What do you? I don't think so. I don't think she would have went without him either. I wouldn't have, fuck. I think having him with her gave her the strength to do that. Actually, I agree on a couple of levels of that

we're gonna talk about. I think Drogon being there is really important. I don't think she would have gotten out okay without him. Yeah, this is our last passage. Gray, do you wanna play us out? She kept her feet and ran faster and suddenly the door was there ahead of her. A door like an open mouth.

When she spilled out into the sun, the bright light made her stumble. Piat Pree was gibbering in some unknown tongue and hopping from one foot to the other. When Dani looked behind her, she saw thin tendrils of smoke forcing their way through the cracks in the ancient stone walls of the Palace of Dust and rising from between the black tiles of the roof. Howling curses, Pyatpre drew a knife and danced toward her, but Drogon flew at his face. Then she heard a crack of Jogo's whip and never was a sound so sweet.

The knife went flying and in an instant later, Rikaro was slamming Pyat to the ground. So Jorah Mormont knelt beside Danny in the cool green grass and put his arm around her shoulder. He's always trying to touch her. Like, can't you just lay off for one minute? Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh yeah, you're right. She made it. But she made it.

She made it out. I was really scared. I was worried for that girl. I was really worried. I love- I was! God, you just never know, okay? Every time I read it. I love considering the journey through A Clash of Kings of the POVs, right? Discovering and interpreting magic with Bran and his connection with Summer, as we said in his green dreams. Arya and Nymeria, Renly's death, Catelyn's perspective of it. These characters are selected to understand, receive, and let magic flow through their lives while not everyone is agreeing with it

or believing it from the outside in. And I love the way that George kind of portrays this, right? The question of is it magic, the proof that it is magic, and then now we know that there is magic going on with these characters. There really is no question for Daenerys. She's kind of a result of this. And I don't know, you guys chime in with how you feel as well, but I firmly believe that

Daenerys' connection with Drogon is very evident in this chapter. And because George has already put the work in, in those chapters to question to you and say, oh, but there's no magic is there but then Bran has a magical connection with this wolf in green dreams. Arya has a connection with Nymeria and her dreams, right? Like you start to see all this magic and the proof of it. And so then when you get to this chapter, because it's so steeped in all this mysticism, there is no question really of it. And so there shouldn't be a question of it to me either that Daenerys is skin changing Drogon.

Drogon feels her shame, her fear, her anger, her shock, her embarrassment, her desire, for home, for family security. He feels all of it here. They are connected emotionally and the way that it is described in this last couple paragraphs of how it happens, you don't actually know necessarily that Drogon did it. There's no command. You know that it burned down somehow, obviously, and it's likely that it was dragons, okay? I mean, that's probably the first thing you would guess, right? Because he's there. But like, you don't see it happen. You just, all of a sudden there's a blaze,

all of a sudden things are on fire and she looks back and oh shit, we fucking blew the place down with fire. That's what happened. But it's like an afterthought, right? It's almost like Ned's fever dreams, how they're so disconnected. He's very disconnected with how he's portraying this. And so I firmly believe that by not outright naming the connection or showing it, George is leaving space for us and our brains to actually collect those pieces and make the connection ourselves. And that's what happened here. Out of her fear, out of her anger, out of everything going on here,

Drogon blew the shit down because she wanted him to. Like, Drogon felt it and he felt the need to protect her. He felt her internal dragon saying, oh fuck, burn it down, fuck these people, and it comes back to the idea of like the cosmic fatalism of everything she just walked through, everything she seed, every single path that's been written and laid out for her to take that they want her to walk, they want her to take these paths. Dani is questioning whether prophecy is truth, whether it's a trap, and here she and Drogon decide to burn the path behind her. They burn that history down, they burn that path down, they burn what these people or these things,

these beings, this magical collective, almost kind of Robin Leah-esque actually from, yeah, like the Hivemind, right? Like this is the Hivemind. Whoa, interesting. Yeah, a song for Leah. Yeah, yeah, from a song for Leah, yeah. She burns it down instead.

She burns down the Hivemind and carves her own path. She chooses her destiny from this moment on. And I love that. Yeah. But Piat Puri wasn't thinking she was going to do that when he told her, don't go backwards, always, always forward. She said, you're going to burn your shitty pants. Fucking bat.

She said, hold my, hold my beer. Yeah. She said, hold my beer. But I like what you're talking about about the skin changing Drogon, because I think that that is a part of the dragon blood, a part of dragon riding. And you see it, this is the beginning of seeing it. Well, you see it even when the eggs are incubating, you see it before you even the beginning of seeing it. Well, you see it like even when the eggs are incubating, you see it before you even know who Drogon is,

you see that he's already a part of her because she dreams of him before he's born, before she even has the eggs, she dreams of him. But when they're in Meereen and Drogon gets like hurt, injured in the pit, it says her and the dragon screamed as one. Like she felt him get injured. And he always shows up when she needs him. So in Meereen at the dragon pit, soon as Strong Belos falls to his knees and she realizes well Save him someone save him. We have to save He's just like me he got stomach flu

Poisoned I wasn't poisoned no one poisoned but as soon as he hits knees, you hear Drogon's roar. So like, right when she needs him, he's there. And while she's... when the Dothraki pull up on her, he flies over there. Not letting mama face it alone. Nope. Yeah, it's a lot like in the summer, you know, we see the way that Ghost knows to be there... not Ghost, fucking... We see the way that summer knows to be there to protect Bran or the way that a Grey Wind is like growling and Rob is like, I don't know why they're doing that. So weird.

So weird of them to do that. Did you feel tense, bro? You need a Xanax, Rob. That's why. Yeah. Like with the, when Tyrion comes, when Tyrion comes with the saddle and they're like acting all crazy. Yeah, exactly.

A hundred percent. And it makes you wonder, like, so I did this whole like, dragon blood, blood of dragon, like what is the connection with dragons? In House of the Dragon, like, I don't know how canon it is, but they show Caraxes, Caraxes squeals when Daemon gets injured. Like things like that, like they feel the same thing as the rider, but then you understand like, okay, when I think it was like the second battle of Tumbleton

or like the sea smoke attack Vermithor, one of the dragons just like joins the fight for no reason. And it's like, okay, so when their riders die, do they become a shadow on the soul? Like how when Bran skin changes, the crow, the ravens, and he's like, I felt somebody in there. And Blood Raven's like, oh yeah. If you would die today, a piece of you would still be in summer.

Yeah. And especially the dragons that get mounted by different people. It's interesting. I love tracing the parallels between like, like Veigar, right? Like all of Veigar's riders, like tracing those parallels and also like, are they embodying different bits of them? Say whatever you want about Aemond, but Visenya, right? Aemond has some Visenya in him in some ways too.

Are you channeling some of the spirit that's in there as well? Is it kind of is the spirit that's in there kind of corrupting you where you would otherwise be? so like Oral with his eagle when like Vamir takes his eagle and he's still in there and like The Vamirs in there like telling Orl hated Jon Snow. So Vermeer's like, yeah, he's still living in this eagle and he's telling me how much he hates you. So like, are there people in these dragons

like fucking with the heads of the riders? And is that why, I don't even wanna say is that why the Targaryens go crazy because I looked into it and There really aren't that many crazy Targaryens. Yeah, I don't think well I think this is like enough stress that anybody would be fucked up dude, like they're just like weird rich people You're flying like a crazy dragon centuries of fucking incest and like fucking with bloodlines and eugenics in order to make sure that your family like has dragons. And then like, also the pressure like the absolute fucking went through like, yeah, I legitimately don't think any of them are mad. Like, not

yeah, none of them are like actually like crazy. Yeah, I went through like a psychological tour of the houses throughout history of like the mental well being of these houses. And like the Starks were like the most normal air quotes. And then you get into like the Greyjoys, all of them are fucking crazy. All of them are fucking like. So it's like, there's more precedent for them, for you to say flip a coin about a Greyjoy than about

a Targaryen. Yeah. But then also like the Targaryens are the royalty and you're going to write history is going to document more about the royalty than like the other people. Yeah, than average Joshmo. Yeah. Or like Buddy Stark down the lane. Like the Targaryens were the focus. Like they were the focal point. That makes sense.

And again, like how do you live with all that pressure too? That's a lot of pressure. Your face is gonna be plastered all over Gildayne's books for the next like century. Okay, great. Great. Cool. Cool. Not cool. Great. You know as we get to the end of the chapter, what else, like what do you have to kind of wrap the chapter, what else, like, what do you have to kind of wrap the chapter up and what you think about this chapter and about Dani's eventual arc

that we're going to have continue on in the other two books to come, if not more books to come from George. Thank you. It's gonna be 24 books. 13 books. Like I was saying about how George slid in the morrows that never were or days that never were.

I feel like he has a lot of room to move things around and do different things. But I, of course, with like the Mount to Dread and the fire she must light and I do think those are legit things. Like she is gonna have these three fires. She is gonna have these three betrayals. She is going to have three mounts. I just, I can't see her and Victarion, but Victarion's definitely on her path. I just don't, I just don't know how that works, how we get there. I think I would like for them to meet just because I would like to see Victarion just

astounded at this concept of Queen. He's like, what a weird concept. I don't see them fucking. I think I could see her being like, oh yeah, sure, I'll do this for you. That's what I see. I see she dangles it. She's like, okay, we'll see what happens. This is a new weirdo now that I've been divorced

for half an hour or something, or you know, annulled for half an hour. This is a new thing. And then he just dies hysterically because that's what's coming for him. Yeah. But when she's shown him and the Bride of Fire, I think that in the Clash of Kings,

George was likely gonna have her marry Victarion. Maybe. If my little pattern is right, which it could be, it could be like just bullshit, but if that pattern is right and Victarion is one of the Bride of Fire people, then at the point he was writing A Clash of Kings, I think that he had it in his plan for Daenerys to possibly marry Victarion, because he's in that Bride of Fire imagery,

where in that Bride of Fire imagery is the horse going to the stream, the gray lips on the ship, on the bow of a ship smiling sadly in his dead face. And then, um, the, the blue chink and the wall of ice, which I'm pretty sure we agree is John imagery. So, so yeah, Drogon, Droggo imagery, John imagery, and then there's Victarion. And I'm like, huh? Or Euron.

It could be Euron. I guess, but I still don't, I still don't see that her getting along with Euron. Also, I'm just like, uh, but it's, it could cause like Daenerys is very much like, we were talking about trickster gods earlier, right? And I think the way that she moves in Slaver's Bay feels very trickster god, which I think is kind of fun because a lot of the times trickster gods tend to be like men or like male coded, right? Like, so it's kind of fun to have it be a girl. It could be that she marries Victarion and

tricks him, right? And then also is like, well, these are mine now. And like, I don't know, imprisons him or kills him or like sends him out into a battle or something. Kind of like maybe even, you know, King David being like, I'm gonna put this woman's husband at the front lines. I'm like, I don't know, maybe he'll die. But what's interesting is when she marries his dar, the night they consummate their marriage,

she dreams of queer visions of smoke. So it's like, okay, is this second fire starting? But I feel like the second fire's, if we go based off the show, I feel like it's the Dothraki, her getting Drogon. I feel like Drogon's gonna burn the Dothraki. She's gonna burn, she's gonna burn, do some Bernie Bernie shit.

Oh yeah, woo hoo. Sorry. Oh yeah. But yeah, I do, she does move like a trickster throughout Marine. And I think George is likely to expand on that because if you think about it, it's gonna take her forever to get to Westeros.

Forever. 13 bucks. Because she has to like she's not just gonna like get on a ship and boom she's in Westeros. She's gonna be like are they gonna stop at Lys? A lot of people think she's gonna go to Volantis and burn shit up there. Like there's a lot of places she's gonna go. It's gonna be a long journey. I don't think she's gonna die. Like I don't know if you guys, if you ever, ever watched Dire Wolf City, you will see me and Alicia fight to the death about this. I don't think she's gonna die. I do think she's gonna have a bittersweet ending. I don't and I think her bittersweet ending is her net not being what she thought it was and her choosing not to stay there. Yeah, I think I'm unfortunately of the camp that like she does die but like I

don't think she goes mad. I just yeah I just like don't think any of them. I think I think it's, if anything, an unraveling of that trope of like, not actually mad. This is what happens when you take a child, turn her into a soldier, into a commander, and take out all of the love in her life and make her like do horrible things to live until... You know, like I think there's a lot of that with all these kids. We see it with Arya, right? Who's like trying to save her humanity in ways, but losing it in other ways. Like, nurture nature, you know? Pairing Tyrion with Dany, that's gonna be really interesting considering like, Tyrion's a real charming fellow sometimes, and other times he's completely a depressed little fucking evil wicked man, right? Like, could be bad, could be a bad pairing.

It could be, it could be. I, so let me, let me say, so with Daenerys, I think, and I'm just gonna talk about the show really quick. I just think what they did, like, I would be fine with Daenerys burning King's Landing. I have no problem. But they did not earn it. Like, they did not build up to it.

I feel like in the books, the eventual battle that she has in Meereen is going to be so brutal and awful. She's going to be questioning a lot of stuff in her head. And when you get to see the inside of the character through their own POV, things are a lot different. I do not give two shits if she burns King's Landing. It just felt weird that they're like, oh, well, because Jon Snow didn't fuck her,

she's gonna burn everything down. I swear to God they said that. Well, they didn't say her. She's gonna burn everything down. I swear to God they said that. Like, well they didn't say- Without Egen, you know? Like, it's like, you can't do it without Egen, and that's the biggest unfortunate part. Egen's so important to her plot, it's like central to have him there, especially to have him there and then her turn around and be like, well, that's it, I killed the pretender and that's gonna haunt me the rest of my life, because I'll never know if he was or wasn't real, but I killed him, same and then turn around john's gonna be there and he's like, hey by the way

I'm another pretender. Yeah And they have like the way it's set up is like oh dorn supports her and these people support her And like she does have people that support her when she comes to westeros, but she's not going to have that because Dorne's actually not going to support her, I don't think, because I just don't think they're going to support her based off of Ariane's internal thoughts about her. And also... Agreed. Agreed.

They're going to have a lot of... They're going to get a lot of stories about Daenerys Targaryen. They've already got some. And they're gonna be like very one-sided tales of the story. Like you're not gonna get why something happened or how something happened. Like Quentin snuck in and tried to tame a dragon.

None of the context of anything is gonna matter other than, oh, her dragon killed him. By the time it reaches Westeros, it'll be Daenerys fed him to her dragon. Exactly. Telephone. That's what they all think. Yeah, they're plus I think also Aryans just like not take not a girl's girl, but no, I'm joking with that with that terminology.

But like, yeah yeah she's got her own ambitions and yeah as far as the House of the Undying goes it just showed us that John is definitely in Daenerys's cards in the future which we are which we already knew yeah and I feel like it showed us that Dani and Bran parallel each other like crazy. Yes. Yeah. It's kind of crazy on a read through to see how much of it that's the case. Absolutely. Well, Gray, thank you so much for giving us your time tonight to talk about one of the best chapters. Please tell everyone at home where they can find you one more time. You can find me on all social medias, Instagram, Twitter, Tik Tok at this gray area. You can find me on YouTube at gray area. You can find me when I come on live with dire Wolf City.

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