Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 257 — ASOS Daenerys I

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Dany sets sail into a new book with a new arc while everyone decides to try testing boundaries. Fairy ointment story, sent by Barbara: https://www.authorama.com/english-fairy-tales-43.html ---- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Cannon reads a song of ice and fire episode 257 Daenerys won in a storm of swords I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. Welcome back, it is a new book. The winds have blown the storm of swords our way. I thought you were saying the winds of winter, I was like, whoa. I'm glad, I'm glad, I hope you all heard that

and thought that too. Look under your chairs Anyway, we're happy to be in a storm of swords for the penultimate time current penultimate time You never know we could come back Excited to get into Danny one excited because we have a fat lightning round a thick lightning round that I want to chew off of Because we have chapters at the end of the cloud. Maybe'm hungry don't look at me like that, Eliana. We have a lot of chapters at the end of Clash of Kings to cover and handful before this chapter, but before we get into that, some housekeeping up top!

So, exciting to the surprise of no one, we ended up splitting up our coverage of just only part one of Catching Fire, the second book of the Hunger Games series. OK, the series only gets even more complex as it progresses, so it makes a lot of sense that we did so. And yes. And also, yeah, amazing guest. It's hard to do a shorter one part Hunger Games episode.

It's hard enough when you have us two yapping, but when you have a third person, it's like the juices are flowing. It's getting good in this bitch. And that's how Ara was, right? I eat Zebra Ara from Dire Wolf City. You know her, you love her. She was amazing in this part.

And she's going to make a second appearance, just like in the third quarter quell. We're bringing her back. It's a really recursive coverage of the Hunger Games, specifically Catching Fire. I love it. I love Catching Fire. It deserves it, and Ara is amazing. So having her twice is a treat. You have heard her and loved her previously on Unleash the D as well as our Aria Sodes.

So check her out in Catching Fire on the Patreon exclusive episodes as well at patreon.com slash girls gone canon where stranger to your patrons and above get these episodes indeed yeah i love that you reminded us that we did unleash the d i was like oh that's right we did do that oh yeah yeah uh of course i would never forget one of my favorite unleash the d guests i was just i was just a recurring guest so anyways you were fine you did not page up yeah we'll see how it goes next season if If I'll be asked back on, um, here's something else that you can get access to on our Patreon. It is our patron discord.

Once a month we do brunch and happy hour, brappy hour. And yeah, this month it's going to be on July 19th. I'm really excited. It's going to be from 2 PM to 4 PM Eastern time. We got to do something fun this time. I have ideas. I've got some ideas. We got a, we're going to roll some ideas back and forth. So watch out in this space. We'd love to have you though. If you'd like to come on over and become a Thunder Tier patron on our Patreon, you get access to the Discord, you get access to so many channels to talk about whatever the fuck you want, you'll get some exclusive bloopers

in the Blooper Reel channel, it's my favorite channel right now, I love going back there and just listening to all the stupid shit that we've said that Eliana takes out but lets you hear if you're a thunder tier patron. I can't tell the people. I mean, I like that channel. I love just throwing something in there and being like, you guys, I don't know if anyone's listening to it, but I enjoy it greatly. I think like the kids used to really love the blooper reel and we've got a couple people

that are still into it but maybe they just gotta be in the right mood. I hold on where's my favorite of recent? Was everyone just like not raised on the era of 90s comedies and 90s movies where they would put bloopers at the end? Is that just like why I'm like this? Like realistically, you all should know listening to this podcast when Eliana edits and I don't because nowadays whenever I'm allowed to edit I like put laugh tracks in and shit like that like I'm just like, sign-fuckin' it. Once in a while, yeah.

I censor shit, I laugh track shit, you know, I really think it gives a good feel, a 90s situational comedy feel to the podcast. Well, we look forward to seeing you at brunch. Join us at brunch. And we did get some emails, some great emails from a handful of folks. Aliana, lead us off with what we've got here. Yeah, we've actually been getting quite a few also comments and a couple of you every

now and then send us story recommendations alongside photos of your animals, but we've been getting some. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We love you. Yeah, we've gotten some pod bean comments that have recommended Korean Manhwa to us, which I think is really fun. I haven't read a manga or a manga in a while, just because, I don't know, every now and then,

there's something that I keep up with, but I haven't kept up with any in a bit. This might be time. It could be time. The thing is, then I start reading something, and I'm like, it's my whole life now, and that's true of like anything. I've been thinking of starting with Chat Atelier which is a manga not a manga but anyway someone recommended us one that they thought would go well with the things that get explored in A Song of Ice and Fire and then we also got a recommend- another recommendation via email from our friend Jamie. Oh yeah! Jamie recommended some of Tasmin Weir's stories, including Chuu and the Magician's Apprentice, and Eliana, I know you started Gideon the Ninth before, and I've heard of Gideon the

Ninth and of the stories along that, like, Electo and Nona and Harrow and all of the different characters. Yeah. I got a lot of recommendations for it, I've started it and I just like... The problem is, yeah, once I read something sometimes I'm like, it's my whole life now, but it takes me a non-zero amount of time to be like, it's my whole life now, and when I don't, it then takes me like forever to finish it. I also got confused there for a moment, I was like, Chuu, like the comic?

Um... She's a kiwi, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah, we like a kiwi though. We like a New Zealander here in this podcast. I have not read any of these, but I've heard nothing but good about it. So could go on my reading list. I've still got a good eight books to read this year. God bless me for my goal. My goal. I'm about to get to seven books left. We also got another message in this one regarding our questions, our questions about Daenerys's

gifts. Yes, the ointment for her eye that can see the future. And Barbara sent us a English fairy tale about fairy ointment. Really cute, we'll link it for you guys to read. But interesting, because there's a pixie thief and there's meddling and all sorts of good things in this story, a great tale to read. But really interesting, because I feel like there's a lot of folklore from every country that has something similar about using the fairy ointment.

Shout out to our His Dark Materials episode on the second book of dust with Dark Materials podcast and Her Dark Materials. We talked about that a lot actually, so highly recommend you listen to it. But Barbara, this fairy ointment story is wonderful. Yeah, it's great. And honestly though, like I did love James, James's retelling. It's an email or like being like, I don't know. This is, this is what I think happened in the fairy story. So, uh, once again, props to that. Yeah.

I love doing a dramatic retelling and reading. If you guys want to email us some more, please. We'll do it for you. Yeah. Oh, James told that story like I would have told it. So I really respect that. Like man after my heart. Exactly.

I was like, okay, yeah, sure. That's probably how it went down. Thanks so much for your emails. Again, you can send emails to us at girlsgoncanon at gmail.com you can tweet at us over at Twitter or X.com. You can tweet at us too theoretically. You can totally blue sky blue skeet whatever the fuck you want to call it post at us I'll see it someday. And of course you can leave comments on Podbean and like on Patreon or whatever. We also- I love the Patreon comments also.

I'm very into that. I think this one from Barbara might have been one. Yeah, Barbara's was on Patreon, so feel free to leave comments on the post and Spotify, right? We always get comments on Spotify. We'll check for some new comments next week. Oh, that's right! I forgot! That one I never remember. Wow. Yeah, it's because always get comments on Spotify. We'll check for some comments next week. Oh, that's right! I forgot!

That one I never remember. Wow. Yeah, it's because it's on my email. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's okay. It's okay. Eliana, we've got quite a lightning round.

Quite a storm in front of us. I didn't even realize. It's funny because it's storming here, so it's like it knew. If you hear storms in the background, it's cause of the lightning round. Wow. We're here for the Stormborn round, you could call it, which is going to give you the end of Clash and the beginning of Storm leading up to Dany 1 in A Storm of Swords and will start with the Clash of Kings Arya 10 where Arya becomes Roose Bolton's cupbearer at Harrenhal, secretly listening to his war councils and later flees with Hot Pie and Gendry.

Sansa 8. Sansa endures Joffrey's public cruelty for a small bit of freedom as Margaery Tyrell arrives to take her place. This just feels so… Margaery Tyrell, a new bombshell has arrived to the villa. I'm very like Love Island season 7-pilled right now, you guys. Danto's hollard gives her a pretty hairpiece that will surely not have any implications on the plot. Theon, 6. As Winterfell is besieged, Theon refuses to yield. He's betrayed when Ramsay

Snow orders Winterfell burned. Tyrion, 15? How did we get to 15? He has a lot of chapters. Get ready. Tyrion awakens this figure from the battle, rejects the Queen's maester and milk of the poppy, and secretly instructs Podrick to fetch a more trusted maester instead. John 8. Just like every book, John ate him. Did he? Every book? Not in Feast. Not in Feast.

John ate. In worsening weather, Quorin orders John to infiltrate the wildlings by doing whatever they ask, including killing Quorin. New Dad No just dropped. Who dis? Brand 7. Jojen wakes Bran from his wolf dream, warning him against losing himself, and after discovering Winterfell and the Ashes and a dying Maester Luwin because his fucking childhood and everything

he loves is dead, Brand must now part from Rickon. Brand is heading north with the Reeds, and Rickon is going south with Osha. So true, Bastie. That takes us to the next storm, the next lightning round, which is in A Storm of Swords with the prologue where Chet plots to murder his Night's Watch brothers and desert during Mormont's campaign against Mance. But when Jon Snow, or some Snow, ruins his plan, and a horn blows three times, Chet freezes in terror and wets himself.

Also dies. Rip. Also dies, true. Also rip. He doesn't quite do so, cause he gets revived, but whatever. Jaime won. Brienne and Cleos bring Jaime to King's Landing in a skiff on the Red Fork. Aw, skiff.

Not gonna lie, like hearing Cleo's is so triggering. And like, that's not my name. Oh. Do people call you Cleo? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I was bullied with that in fourth grade because like, Madame Cleo. Oh yeah, dude. Remember Madame Cleo?

Yeah. I got called that shit all the time for no reason except for kids just don't know. Yeah, kids are mean. Ask, ask, you know, anyone. Ask Jon Snow. Yeah, that's true. Catalin 1 Confined for freeing Jaime, Catalin broods over her family affairs. A dying father, her sister's miscarriage, her desperate gamble to exchange the Kingslayer for her daughter, a plan which is ruined by Edmure's scolding and the revelation that the Lannisters will never honor a deal. What could it mean?

Aria won. Time to kill. That's what it means. Time to kill. Aria, Gendry, and Hot Pie flee Harrenhal toward Riverrun, but they exhaust themselves, and while Arya sleeps, she dreams through her wolf of a pack that's ambushing and killing four brave companions sent to recapture them. What could it mean?

Tyrion won. Recovering from his wounds, Tyrion learns he's been stripped of power and allies under Tywin's rule. He clashes with Tywin over his birthright, Caster the Rock, and of course his lover, Shae. Davos won. Stranded after the Battle of the Blackwater, Davos is picked up by an old friend. Sansa won.

Margaery and Olenna Tyrell sup with Sansa and look for the truth of Joffrey's character. Jon won. Jon meets Mance Rayder. Hmm. Daenerys won in a storm of swords. Daenerys decides their next movements. Jorah tries to tell Danyan multiple ways that he wants to be one of the three heads of the dragon and it's absolutely inappropriate and he has to stop.

I mean that is what happens in this chapter. It is. It is. be one of the three heads of the dragon and it's absolutely inappropriate and he has to stop. I mean that is what happens in this chapter. It is, it is. It's... I kind of like, I know you like told me last chapter and like in a way I know in my heart that that's what's gonna happen this chapter but as it was I was coming up on it I had like forgotten it again and I was like why the fuck is this happening? And then I started like reading aloud because like my partner was like, which chapter are you all doing? I was like telling him and then I was like, and he's like, please stop, please stop reading this to me. Just like, I don't want to deal with this. So yeah. Two orgy galleys tow the cog Balyrian toward a windlass or across a windlass glass blue sea. Tenirri stands on the forecastle.

I don't know what that is. Watching her three young dragons wheel overhead and feeling content. And I just feel that this was like a weird cruel this whole chapter up until like the part where she's like actually let's just change it's all a cruel little joke it's all a little fake out from George being like, she's on the ship. Look, we're really making moves. We're really heading over now soon to Westeros. And then at the end, then it's like, wait, we're not.

It's so funny you said that because I was, before the episode, I was going over with my roommate a couple of different things in the chapter. And he literally said, he's like, it's so fucked up. It's so messed up. Like it's such blue balls. Like we all think you all fucking think. And yeah, yeah, I kind of like forgot how it hits. Yeah.

I was just like, oh, this was like really mean of George to do. And you know what I love? I loved Daenerys's arc in a storm of swords. So like hashtag no regrets. But at the same time, I'm like, you silly, you silly troll, George. He has fun. He has a lot of fun in this chapter, especially there's something about like the early chapters of an Aeswaf book and the way like George writes the first chapters of each character for each book and like kind of the vibe it sets out right like the vibe that

George is putting down. We start to get the vibe check from the Dothraki who despise the poison water and many of them are hiding below with their frightened horses while Eerie and Jiqui wretch every time the water swells. A mid voyage squall panics the riders and horses, but Daenerys, our storm-born queen, remains unshaken because she's loved the seas since childhood flights from the usurper, she thinks. Which is interesting, right? Because she thinks in A Clash of Kings and even in A Game of Thrones at how much fear and suffering the usurper has caused her, and she's turned her terror into power. It's something very admirable of Daenerys, right? Like the dragons have helped her to become unafraid and to believe in herself, too. She thinks, I'm not afraid of any storm. I loved the sea when

we were on these flights when I was running. It's kind of interesting. Like those are times when I guess she feels like safe. You can see anything around you. And yeah, she feels a lot freer now that Robert is dead. And the series, there's an aspect of it as well that makes me feel like there are parallels to Aria's current life in wherever we are book five ish. And without like, maybe if there had been more of a five year gap too with aria like being on ships more something that they kind of maybe would have shared right like just being like i love the sea i love being on ships it's a good time uh so it's kind of a fun parallel

that the way that they're both always on a run on the run as well and And then you have the Dothraki kind of seeing themselves as sailing to hell rather than to Pentos, which I was like, dang, they really, they're really scared here. And I mean, they're not going towards hell, but maybe when they do go to Pentos later, because I do think they're going to swing by Pentos at some point because of the Tattered Prince, maybe it will feel a little like hell. Like, who knows what that man's gonna do to that place. What are you talking about? That's socialist prince tatters. Like, can you watch your fucking mouth? Is he? I thought he was just comrade.

It's comrade tatters. Oh my god. Everything I do, I do to make you smile. I hope you know that. Every time you smile, I'm like, I won. I won. No, that is interesting. I do that in a different way. I'm like, but with you, I'm like, can I get a reaction? Just like trying to get a reaction. Sometimes I feel like I'm winning if I don't react, if you know what I mean.

I'm like, I'm not reacting. I'm just glossing over it. It's just flirting. Yeah. What we're saying is we're flirting. I do think, interesting to imagine when she gets to Pentos, it might be hell. Oh yeah. For me, I think, like, in a way, I wonder if she will help turn it into hell.

Yeah, I think there's like a non-zero amount of role she'll play in that. And it's kind of hinted at a little in this chapter. There's a little more we're going to come to. Yeah, I want to I want to come back to this because there's more to come, especially about Illyrio in this chapter, interestingly enough. So put a pin in it. Come back to it. I do want to call out.

You have this line here. As we get into it, it's actually like a little after this, but we didn't put the quote in, but you have this bit of her folks being all of her Dothraki people being like beneath the deck and on the deck, puking and like living in hell. And then you have at first, Grolio had wanted the dragons caged and Daenerys had consented to put his fears at ease but their misery was so palpable that she soon changed

her mind and insisted they be freed and especially like this against a dance with dragons right when she has to cage them instead ouch painfulful feeling for me and Daenerys and the dragons, but also interesting, like her people are the ones kind of almost caged on this boat as well. That's true, they are kind of caged. I was like kind of thinking, are they evoking that? But the Dothraki, yeah, I guess like a lot of them could have just left if they wanted to. And now they're stuck.

Because a lot of them did. With horses below the boat. Yeah, that's true. It's also like interesting evoking it in the face of Sam and Gilly's trip, right? And like knowing how shitty that was. So like knowing any adverse conditions kind of suck. Yeah, especially if like any of them. They kind of suck.

Well, I don't really hear about anyone having seasickness. I'm sure it's happening to some of them, but I haven't. They don't focus on that this chapter, but. Yeah. Eerie and cheeky puke at every swell of the water. Oh, you're right, you're right, nevermind. I just like skimmed over that. I think I just zeroed in on like, what the fuck?

I'm puking because of Jorah. Anyways. Kind of interesting having like that whole, like I get really seasick or not seasick. I get airplane sick if I'm on a plane for too long or if the turbulence is bad, that gets me and I also get car sick. I don't think I get seasick seasick, but I have been on boats before. I'm fine with boats.

Usually. I don't know. I haven't been on for like a long distance, long, long, long, long. And I don't think I want to be, but I do think it's interesting. Like everybody's being kept in their unnatural circumstances here, right? Like this is the first crossing of the sea with her Calassar. Yeah, it's gonna be like, it's gonna be a lot when they have to make their way over

to Westeros. I was like, yeah, I don't know, I think I haven't been on a ship for like an extended amount of time either. I thought I would get seasick and I'm, I don't, I used to not get car sick at all. And then I got car sick when I was older or I don't know. Oh, I get car sick. But less so now. Yeah. Now, well, once I was like in cars and vehicles much more often, but yeah, anyways. Well, once I was in cars and vehicles much more often.

But yeah, anyways. So, uh, yeah. And also the reason she was caging them was a little different too. Like, I guess Grolyo was afraid, like, what if the ship catches on fire? But they eventually learned. Whereas in a dance, she's like, I just like hope they don't eat the people. I mean, that's fair. That's absolutely fair. She linkers on her memories of the series.

It's a worthwhile theory. The brother who spoke of crowns long before the bitterness corrupted him. And again, a lot of what we're examining in these last two POVs, keep it in the back of your mind of A Song of Ice and Fire is a story about how maybe love can change someone's nature, but something that stood out to me, especially because you've been talking about this, Chloe, is how Viserys told her that she's a dragon, not a smelly fish. That is not what you brought up, and you've been bringing up the idea of legacy and having to adhere to that.

Thank you, Eliana. That's exactly what I meant. Wow. Not fish. And I'm just, it's another one of those things, right? Like maybe Daenerys would have been happier just sailing, roaming around. And then it also almost feels like a parallel, strangely, ironically, to Robert Baratheon, right? Like him getting trapped by the Iron Throne because everyone decided like, I don't know, let's just crown this guy, I guess. Like maybe he would have been happier just being running around doing whatever he wanted. Maybe, very big maybe. He had like a lot of PTSD, so he might not have been. But Daenerys very much also cage changed here too. To living that legacy.

Interesting, because the other fish that we're following right now, right? Smelly mother fish, no, just fish. I don't know if she probably smells though. They're like at war. Catalin, right? And the grief that she's experiencing with her father and her sister.

And like the loss that she's experiencing right now. And her daughter, like her daughters and her sons and everything, but like interesting because it's put right next to the couple of chapters ago with her father and with Liza's miscarriages. So interesting that she's, you know, Viserys says she's a dragon, not a fish. And I'm like, oh, poor fish. I assume everyone's smelly, but I also assume she's very smelly at the end of this book. But like some people's smells are better because of pheromones, you know?

Like Catalin, Cersei, like that's a smell that I'm like, yeah, I'd lick that. What about Lady Stoneheart? I'd probably also lick that. Just for the experience, you know? Alright, just no. I mean, would you? No, she's dead and rotting. No, she's like undead and rotting.

I assume you still rot when you're undead. Well, actually I don't know because like we've seen some of them not, but like if you're raised like the whites. She's like in stasis. She's like rotted all right. So she stopped rotting mid rot. The whites are still rotting.

She's only mostly rotting. Yeah, but the R'hllor, the fire whites, I think they're not rotting mid-rot. The whites are still rotting. She's only mostly rot. Yeah, but the R'hllor, the fire whites, I think they're not rotting. I think it's like- It's really interesting to think about. I think realistically, I need to find out for us and report back. Yeah, you do. You do. Catalan, I'm coming and you will be too.

Um... Pshhh. Hahaha. Thank you. Captain Grolio, who was once wary of carrying dragons, now prides himself and his crew on hosting them. Stray rats and one minor deckfire are the only casualties of the dragons. I'm sorry, Eliana, you and your people, the stray rats have been burninated. I know.

Try and die! That's why we don't feel the seasickness. We're dead. Not to like love glup shittos on main, but I actually think I'm a Captain Grolio Stan. Like I very much love him. He's a big deal in this book for Dani. Like he helps lead the new siege weaponry in Storm and then he's like made her Admiral even though it's not really a real title, because like the 13th ships and then he gets killed anyways by Bloodbeard which isn't great and Barristan really takes this very personally and he defends like the rights for Grolio's bones to be returned buried in shit especially because he's like Dani would want that so like Grolio forever

and I really love I'm like gonna pay attention to him every day now. I'm like happy Grolyo. I'm going to care about everything you do. I'm glad. He's your strong Belwas. Yeah. Well, I mean, I also love strong Belwas, but I need someone else, you know, this time I'm going to I'm gonna focus on Grolio. Yeah. It's time for me and Grolio to take some time for ourselves. And Catalin. Apparently. Coming. Drogon hunts out of sight, Viserion and Rhaegal... what is this?

Spar playfully, diving and tangling before bursting from the waves and steaming arcs. The dragons are still dog-sized, leaving denarius dependent on ships rather than wings to reach westeros." And I thought that was like kind of fun because it is true. Sometimes animals play in a way that seems like fighting, but it also feels like it could be foreshadowing, especially with like the way that stuff goes during the dance civil war. And shit can escalate quickly, you know, sometimes like when animals like yeah, like dogs, their dog's eyes like are fight are playing, it can become a fight. And I feel like there's a metaphor. And also one time my friend had a lunar New Year party

and she has a dog and someone else brought their dog and the dogs were like playing. I saw them playing and I was like, they're about to fight and they're like, no, no, they're just playing and then like two seconds later the dogs start fighting. I was like, I told you so. I sensed it. I sensed it. Those dogs were about to fight and they did.

That's the story. Yeah, the energy was not right. I get that. My cats do that. Like they'll be like, we're playing, it's cute. And I'm like, ha ha ha, you two are rascals. And then suddenly it's like, he's biting her neck and she's screaming. And I'm like, what the fuck?

I sensed it. And so yeah, my partner and I were able to rush over there because I was like, they're fighting now. And he like pulled them apart because, oh wait, there is also the time that I first met my partner's family and then one of their dogs attacked the other one because I think they were just stressed out from travel. Like nothing happened to instigate it you know? Animals are so interesting right? Like sometimes they can even just get like

the wrong smell on the wind of you. Like of the other animal and be like what the fuck's wrong with you and smack them like yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And be like, I'm mad. And I was like, what do these are big? Those were big dogs. He was like, what do you think? It was handled. Someone had to go to the veterinarian. But cats get like overstimulated, you know, very easily.

Like you can't pat them in the same spot for too long. Like, you know, like oftentimes people are like, people might tell you, don't touch my cats, but they're sensitive about that and they'll get pissed and like my cats, I know if I like pat their butt or their like stomach too much, they'll get overstimulated and they'll go crazy and just like bite my hand off. And it's not like, it isn't really their fault. Like that's their nature to bring it back to the story. Like that is their nature. And there's something cute slash not cute in like the idea of like play fighting and fight playing.

Right. Like are they play fighting or are they fighting turning to playing? Like is their play going to turn to fighting? Is their fighting turning? Like what's the truth? What's the truth with the dragons? Are they false? Are they friends? Are they foe? No one knows. Hopefully they don't turn on one another though.

That would suck. But like you said, the dance and also like this chapter, something I'm noticing, the dragons are being called very vulnerable and small very often. And we're learning about different vulnerabilities and the way that dragons attack, right? Like we get this bit of lore here of George playing with the dragons finally, because like Clash of Kings, they were just like lizards on her shoulder. And in the first book, they just like aren't born till the very end. So like he's

finally getting to dig his claws into this lore. And he here tells us that they prefer to attack from above. They play attack for sport like cats or dogs, they dive beneath the water and come back shrieking and hissing, and often they'll hunt like drogon miles ahead or behind, etc. So we're starting to really get some of the ground rules about dragons and what to expect. And to your point, it does feel like there's groundwork being laid for all of this to come back later. Yeah.

Who knows? And I did like that detail that they attack usually from above. It's not like I think the most stealthy way to do it because there's a shadow, as opposed to like, it made me think of sharks that do the opposite. Because the sharks come from below, you know. Yeah. Which makes sense to them. Absolutely.

Yeah, I just watched Jaws last night so I can confirm that's very true. Why did you do that? Because Happy Fourth of July, baby! which makes sense to them. Yeah, I just watched Jaws last night, so I can confirm that's very true. Why did you do that? I was happy Fourth of July, baby. It's a Fourth of July movie. Oh, that's true. I do like Jaws. It's just maybe watch it at two, like, I don't know.

It's real in age. It's also the 50th, so anniversary. Oh, is it? Congrats. Old as shit. Yeah, I'll tell it. I think there's something interesting about the shadow, right? Like from below with Jaws, but from above with the dragon.

Like, like what they did, like Balerion being said that like he blocked out whole cities, right? When he was over them or like Vhagar that shot of Vhagar in House of the Dragon upon Ereax. Like, that's what I imagine. They're supposed to be menacing. Yeah, not very vague. Very big. So like it's too late. It's already on you by the time you've realized. Like when you look up, you're like, why'd the sun go away?

And then it's too late because Balyrian is literally scooping you into his mouth. Yeah, kind of like, you know, to reference another July 4th movie, Independence Day and the UFOs. Oh, I was gonna say Kong, but I like that too. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. War of the Worlds.

No, I'm just kidding. No, that one's like British, right? Well, the original program, yeah. Oh, that one's fascinating. Speaking of fake outs, the original program, yeah. Oh, that one's fascinating. Speaking of fake outs, I'm sure a lot of you know this, but like because people didn't know, they just tuned into the radio drama and it was like, I don't know, on like an actual radio station and people are like, oh my God, we're being invaded. Yeah, they thought it was real real, but it was not real real.

I would have thought it was real. So real. Um, honestly, it's a good thing that George gave himself an out here in regards to the size of the dragons because Daenerys thinks like in another year or two Drogon could be big enough to ride. Like that could mean anything, I don't know the physics of how big a dragon needs to be to be able to ride one, but I'm glad that he did that because like, what if he had said in five years, right? Because he thought he was going to do the gap and at least he gave himself enough sort of like flexibility for this.

Yeah. That's it. Because yeah, yup. Yes. Because even so, I'm like, when will they be big enough? I just like- The wind's a winner and no sooner. I feel like, yeah, definitely be big enough? I just like the wins a winner and no sooner. I feel like, yeah, definitely big enough to ride like at one or two years. Are they big enough to be like as menacing as we need them to be?

No. And I know that he knows that, but like the good thing is that it's a fantasy story and he can make them grow super fast, I guess, if he needs them to. Especially if he does it like, you know, we've discussed a little bit about how the pacing might look for the Winds of Winter. You might have a Dani chapter, but twice as much Dani like instead of as much Dani, you might have Barristan and Tyrion and Victarion really pulling the weight for Dani, right? Like you might have how we see her might be distributed through other POVs, so he has an opportunity to slowly but quickly grow them. Like, because of that you can

edge it a little more, I feel like, especially because as of the end of dance she is now mounted Drogon. Yeah, plus like I mean like it could just be like a surprising like pace, you know? The way that Sand King's is, it's like, wow, they're ants and then next thing you know they're like that Sand King's is. It's like, wow, they're ants. And then next thing you know, they're like, oh, that's people-sized. Oh, they grew. Also, Viserion and Rhaegal just had a very big tree. So they could really grow very quickly. That's true. That could be a lot of nutrition. Yeah, bigger than usual. Which reminds me that Jaime's recommendations to us of Tamsin Muir's books was inspired by our discussion of cannibalism previously. Granted, dragons eating people, that's not cannibalism, but we're still talking about eating people, so I thought I'd bring that up. That's true, that's true.

Six windless days, now seven windless days, stall the voyage. The sluggish, cargo-laden Beleriand crawls forward only because the oared galleys are straining against their tow lines. So it makes me think all this struggle that they're having and finding enough wind to go where they want to go makes me think about the way that blood magic could be used. Like, theoretically, allegedly they use it Already wants to make wind for the sales, but who knows if that's real or not but I feel like it could be much more real when it comes to Marwin later on like I feel like that man and

Maybe Makoro right like I feel like those people they do know how to use blood magic to make wind and It's something that recurs throughout the chapter, you know, not just because Chloe made us think of the winds of winter earlier. Oh my god. But there's a line here that goes, the fickle wind had turned traitor. And I think that if this is how George is exploring the idea of winds, like through themes, that explains also part of the naming convention where he drew inspiration from for the windblown. I like that!

Anyway, the windblown! That's fun, doesn't really matter to me. It does though. Oh my god, I don't know why I just sang that. Like the fucking, um, what should I call it? The bears. The... oh my god, what is it called? Misha just kissed a bear.

It was really gross. No, the country bear jamboree. Sorry, I was singing that like I was in the country bear jamboree. I don't know what the fuck that was. I also thought it was fun that on the seventh day, the wind comes back. Thank the gods. How cute is that?

Very cute. The gods. Yeah, so if it isn't three, it's seven. You know how it goes in these chapters. Despite the slow progress and the cramped, damp decks Daenerys holds to her dream of home and she thinks that one day Drogon will be big enough to carry her across the Great Salt Sea.

Ser Jorah joins Dany on the forecastle and notes that Drogon's missing and she's like, no, we are the ones who are lost. Drogon dislikes slow creeping over the sea. Drogon is the boldest of the three dragons, of course. He's the first to fly over water between the ships, into the clouds, and the first to kill. He blasts flying fish with fire and swallows them mid-leap. Very cute. Very nimble. Daenerys asks, how large do you think he'll grow? And Jorah kind of starts to give tales of dragons plucking Krakens from the sea saying, you know, oh, that's only legend,

but I've heard tell that that could be a thing. Hmm. By the way, hmm. Seems pointed. Me thinks that it may be legend, but you're dealing with the legend, Daenerys Targaryen, so it might be legend real again, right? Like, watch out, Euryn. Like, get ready, Euryn. Holy shit. Indeed. I'm like, is she also referencing like golden showers, cause storms? Anyways. Oh, speaking of all the storms.

Black and yellow, black and yellow. Oh my god. I don't like that song. I usually only reference it to Sandor so like this does feel dirty putting it to the Greyjoys but whatever. With okay when you say this do you think that she's going the dragons are actually going to literally because it could be both right but like the dragons will literally yoink a giant squid like like actual squid animal out of the the sea or do you mean that the dragons will yoink the little fleshy human body of Euron? Yes. Okay I was just curious. Why not both? I mean it could be both. I want... I still love the she fries him with Drogon and Bran fries him in the brain though.

I think that's like so fun. That guy that wrote that theory is kind of hot. Khaleesi Kalamari. Ooh, that's my favorite name of the theory. Khaleesi Kalamari. Wow. You can tell him that later. You're like, listen, you got competition.

It kind of is funny because it's like, oh, and if the dragon would roll up the squids, it could be Khaleesi Calamari. Or Katamari, I mean, sorry. Oh, dude, I've been telling a lot of people about Katamari and Domacy again lately. I don't know why. It's the best game in the fucking world. We play it all the time at home. It's like we play two games together and that's one of them.

We'll like pass the controller back and forth and just like say you want to roll next and like let each of us roll and it's either that or it's drinking and driving, which is just Mario Kart drinking. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah. Beery-o-kart is what we call it here, where you can't drink and drive. Oh no, we drink and drive. Similar principles. No, no, no. Not on the real road. That's not good. But like on the roads of the house.

The rule is that maybe it's like similar, but the rule is that you can only drive. You have to finish your beer or something before you cross the finish line, but you cannot be driving at the same time as drinking the beer. So you have to put the controller down entirely to sip. So some people have this strategy in which they pause, they get all the way to the end, pause, chug the whole beer or some like stretch out or some do it at the very beginning, but you cannot drink and drive. Interesting. Yeah.

I haven't done it in a long while, especially because I'm not like particularly good at it. But yeah, we should do this sometime. I mean, okay, invite me. I'm flying there right now. We're going to drink and drive. So who the fuck is this Jorah? Jorah. Sorry.

Jorah says dragons live far longer than men, but Targaryen dragons are bred for war and most die in war. Whitebeard adds that Beleriand the Black Dread lived 200 years, could swallow an aurochs whole and never stopped growing so long as he had food and freedom. And I think having freedom means yeah, like you could have this food and freedom too, Daenerys, and just grow, just grow, just live. You could grow, too, and just live. Oh, man.

Damn. Yeah, but that, I mean, freedom also, you know, setting up, starting to plant the seeds of what her arc in the story is about. And I believe that, too. Life liberty pursues happiness, bro. Oh, word. Yeah, I was like, do you believe- For everyone.

I was like, are you telling me that you believe that that's the arc in this story? Because objectively, yes, that is the arc in Slaver's Fate. Like Peggy Hill style, I'm like, it is my opinion that that is the arc in Slaver's Fate. I was like, what's happening? Peggy, that's everyone's opinion. Oh my god. Whitebeard explains that Targaryen dragons in King's Landing were kept in the vast dragon

pit, yet none grew as wild as their wild ancestors. Maesters say the walls and domes stunted them like goldfish. They don't say that, but I will tell you, like goldfish. This is such a fun little like nugget of Dragon Lore. George is having fun in this chapter because we know he's gardening in new bits of history to it this time, right? He's like working on the Dunk and Egg series. He's working on some shorter stories.

He's working on little scraps of history that will eventually make it into the world of Ice and Fire and then eventually be remade and refined and put into fire and blood and all sorts of stuff. So we know that that brain is out there turning. And there's this great line too, right? He says, it is only a tale, Khaleesi. They talk of wise old dragons living a thousand years as well. Interesting. I love that, especially because we just saw that skeleton in Vase Taloro, right? Like there is, that was a dragon and we don't know what dragon that is. None of us know.

What do we mean by like wise old dragons? Like, do we think that they're at the stage where like they've lived so long, they've learned to talk? I don't know where I've decided this is the case, but. I really love that Well, they probably do talk when they have a Targaryen that they're connected to or a Valyrian They're connected to right or somebody a dragon rider. I should say that they're connected to They're like big sand kings. Yeah. Yeah

Interesting and it is interesting because like this is true The dragons did die in war like Like 90% of the dragons, if not more, died in war. That is when they died. If you don't touch them, you let them eat freely, they grow freely. That is what we just learned. They fly, they have room to grow. They're happy, they're healthy, they're thriving, they're eating shit. They're eating so much shit. That's probably a problem. They just eat a lot. And like, I have some names on my list that I would maybe hand over first, but I don't think that's how it works. I don't think you get to choose who they eat.

So unless you have the connection. Yeah, if you have the connection. But I think it just points and it's very sad because a lot of what's building up in Storm in Totality not just in Danny's chapters is Furthering the upcoming dance of the dragons, right? And we know previously that dance of the dragons was the downfall of the Targaryens dance The dragons was the downfall of the dragons people can shout all day that it was egg in the third That it's his fault and he's the dragon Bane and dragons. People can shout all day that it was Aegon III,

that it's his fault and he's the dragon bane and dragons are gone because of him, but that's not true. The statistics don't read that way. There's something interesting about the idea of the blood purity with the Targaryens and that they're the last dragons left even today and that Aegon III failing to breed and protect the last remaining dragons would be named as his fault in history,

even though dozens of dragons died in the wars, died in the terrors. And I mean, this is even going back to the original three, right? In Dorne, Rhaenys and Meraxes is death in the dance. You have Dreamfire, Syrax, Mayleys, Sunfire, Caraxes, Erex, Moondancer, Morgul, Seasmoke, Shirako, Stormcloud, Taraxis, Vermex, Gregos, Silverwing, Tessarian, Vermithor, Vagarin, and you have that bit of the dragons. They die when they go to war, whether it's civil or not. Right. Every time without fail, dragons die.

And I do think that George is somewhat pummeling us with that in this chapter, that like dragons can die. Balyrian dies of old age, right? And he's the OG dragon with the OG Aegon. He's that's the guy. That's the Aegon. When people say Aegon, that's Aegon number one, baby. He's got the big number one on his chest and Balyrian kind of does too, right?

Balyrian is the big OG dragon. When people are like big dragon, they think Balyrian. So Balyrian and the OG Aegon die of old age separately, but they die of old age. They don't die in war. Sheepstealer, no one knows, but disappeared in the veil, just like it's Ryder. Stormcloud's death, right? Fleeing in its very first flight ever. That feels sad and significant that an hour after its first flight perishes. And then there's Aegon III's last dragon, right? The last dragon there that was stunted and

is put down to mercy. You kind of start to look at this shape of yeah, it's war that kills dragons and guess what? Yeah, that's where the dragons are going. War. Yeah. I don't know why they all like, I don't know, I guess they just wanna say mean things about Aegon III. Just cause he was like- It's so fucked up! I know, he was just a little sad. He had a hard life! He had a really hard life.

And like, honestly, literally Maester Gilday- Morning! And morning! Oh god, I forget what morning is. RIP. We don't even know how morning dies. Maester Gilday literally names that chapter the dying of the dragons. So like, I know. Everybody knows. We all know that it's not Aegon III's fault. It's the fact that there was a huge civil war and they took all the dragons to fight and they all killed each other. Yeah. But I kind of thought there might be some sort of metaphor here too as well of not just the dragons, you know, the living things, you know, treating them as expendable, like think of the life that they could live if they were not bred for fighting and more, and you see that with the Unsullied, right, in the way that they're taken, or the way that, you know, the small folk all used in

these wars as weapons, bodies. Absolutely. Absolutely. Bodies. Jorah dismisses the idea. Typical. Many such fucking cases. Jesus. Right. Especially when it comes to the whole, like, dragons and how they grow thing. And I'm like, Jorah, I don't think you understand biology.

Shut up. He goes, giants can be born in hovels and dwarfs and castles and Whitebeard replies, men are men, dragons are dragons, which like yeah, that's pretty obvious, but Jor is stupid. Also it does feel kind of like a nod to like Tyrion and Jon. Almost. And even Dany and etc. But like giants can be born in hovels, dwarfs can be born in castles, men are men, dragons are dragons.

The idea that If you believe in tin foil or alternate theories and you don't take theories seriously because we're not ever serious on this podcast except when we are, but we're also just girls Like Tyrion Targaryen shit, like IDK. I don't think we'll ever have it confirmed as we've discussed, but like dwarves born in castles, dragons are dragons. Jon, the idea of like, you know, et cetera, very small men, big shadows, whatever.

Yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's something there. There's definitely something there. There's something there that wasn't there before. Wait, where were you going? Where were you going with that song? You're everything to me. Not Beauty and the Beast? No, that is where I was going. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. But no, but actually that's not insignificant to what I was also going to say of like, you know, is it you're talking about Tyrion and stuff, but is it also about Hodor and you know, dunks line so for even done. But also like, yes, and also like that in general, like, but not just that, right? Like,

is it about X and about X line? Like, I think it's a greater pattern as well. Yeah, I love that. like I think it's a greater pattern as well. Yeah, not that I'm trying to give Jora any fucking credit, but um, because like, at the same time, when we are talking about class and bodies as we were a moment ago, like, it does actually impact them. Like, I'm sorry, there is a difference when some people have a lack of nutrition, right? Or like access to certain vitamins that will affect their growth versus, you know, and also where they are and how they grow. Like if someone is subjected to a lot of physical, like strenuous physical stuff early on in age, that could absolutely impact the way that their bones

grow and things like that. So like this does apply to people too, Jorah. No, I like that you've pulled that together. It's great because it furthers that divide, right, of like dragon and kings and queens being greater than the common folk that don't get a choice but to live beneath them. Yeah, even today, right? Like there's that story of those two twins, I forgot where, they were accidentally separated at birth. They were swapped. There were two sets of twins and one from each got swapped, right?

See I only like stories about twins that were purposefully separated at birth, not the ones that were accidentally. No, it's like kind of crazy because they were like, oh, oh my god, we have two sets of fraternal twins. No, they had two sets of fucking identical twins and accidentally swapped one from each. Accidentally. Somehow. And yeah, and it really went to show that epigenetics is a thing and the way that like how those genes express themselves

and like the way that you grow up definitely impacts the way that you your body develops. So would you believe would you believe that class nutrition can do that? Anyways, Jorah scoffs, same as me, and challenges Whitebeard's knowledge. I'm scoffing at Jorah though. The old man admits he knows little but served in King's Landing under Ares II and walked beneath the dragon skulls in the throne room. And then you know, oh my god, I just had an image of like Daenerys in the skulls room with the dragon skulls and singing like Once Upon a December from Anastasia. That's all that I have for you. Don't her with her ghosts hide in the halls. Dancing bears but not this bear. Daenerys asks if Whitebeard met her father and Whitebeard says yeah Ares was um off and pleasant and she's like no I clocked that look on your face. Something was off, I guess,

and she keeps wishing, hoping for something good. And he's like, but Ares is harsh with the people that he saw as enemies. So Daenerys, she switches subjects. She's like, what about Rhaegar though? And Whitebeard says that few people truly knew him, but he saw him in a tourney and heard him play his silver-stringed harp." This feels like the one time Regina George and one time Rhaegar. It was awesome. Yeah. I actually, so tonally, yes, but I thought there was something fun here that maybe Daenerys kind of adopted the I'm but a girl who knows little of the ways of war a little bit from Arstin right here. I was gonna say from us.

Yeah from us. Oh my god she adapted, George adapted this from our podcast. No, he's like oh I know little but I served during Aerys 2's reign so like he plays it very stupid in a way which is kind of smart I really appreciate how careful he's being because he's not lying and few truly did know Rhaegar that's true I mean who truly knows anyone let's all be real with one another but that's so there's been doesn't seem to respect Rhaegar really either here he doesn't let on too much he doesn't gosh he just is very like black and the kids he doesn't disrespect on too much. He doesn't gush. He just is very like black. He doesn't disrespect him, but he's just like, yeah, very black and white

playing about him. He's like, you know, he was a guy and no one really knew him, but uh, you know, he was good in the tourney and he played his harp. And I think that's fair. I think it's interesting though, because he doesn't really like, you know, even Ned has his moments thinking of Rhaegar, right, very vaguely, but Barristan's one of those that he very vaguely does, and I think that's an interesting device from George in order to like still keep it vague, and to show you that maybe there's more beneath the surface than like the heroic Dragon Knight. Yeah, and I think there absolutely is more beneath that surface.

I also kind of wonder, like, it makes me think of, is it just a habit that he's formed over the years not speaking too well of Rhaegar because he was serving under the Baratheon regime as well and we all know how Robert felt about that. But yeah, as he said, he also, I mean, he didn't really know him. No one, I mean, maybe like two people did. I don't even think John Connington knew him that well, as we've discussed. It's funny because it's like the Liana stuff, right? Like, what Ned says to Robert, you didn't- you knew her, but you didn't really know her, you didn't know the steel underneath, you didn't actually know who she was and what she had been through. Yeah, and that's part of like- I'm sure we've discussed it. That's part of why I don't want a Robert's Rebellion adaptation necessarily, because I do like that they get to serve, both of them serve as mirrors to all the other characters as they kind of project and tell us about them.

Yeah, I think that's also part of it too, because the way that George writes this is like, in a way it's to allow you to project too. Yeah. He wants you to get caught up in it. That's part of the fucking emotion of Aeswaf of you getting caught up in, like, what the truth is as well and you not knowing. I think like you specifically, no one else. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, because I also inspired like, again, our podcast inspired. Stop. But you know what I mean?

Like, there was a certain feeling that like, I don't want to be told how to feel about the mystery of it all. The point is like, you're supposed to feel about the mystery and you're supposed to puzzle out what those things mean to you. And it's like this whole, I don't know, there's like this whole wave of like critique in general of books and media and the way that we as a society now are critiquing things and like, often it's about plot points and numbers and punch ups. And that's not the point. The point is how it makes you a moat and how it makes you relate to it. So the fact that Robert's Rebellion is an era with no answers that like are slowly being given to us, but not enough to make a concrete decision without following

the way the story makes you feel the way the story is making you a moat. Like that's special and powerful. And that's how, you know, you truly have a great piece of art that you're reading that can make you feel like that. Yeah, I agree. And that's just by like, again, do you not wish for an adaptation, unless of course it is the musical adaptation that you and I are working on that has a handbell segment for the Battle of the Bells. That's all. Jorah mocks Whitebeard and Whitebeard's like, okay, bet here's Rhaegar's real squires and companions. He names them all and it's like, wow, he knows the lore. It's Miles Mootin, Richard Laudmouth, John Connington, and Sir Arthur Dayne. Betcha didn't know that, Jorah. Oh my god, Sir Arthur Dayne? Oh my god.

He might have known Rhaegar, but... Dayne said it is? He did. Daenerys brightens up the mention of Dayne. She's like, wow, our names are kind of similar. And Viserys, she doesn't say that. That was me. Viserys spoke of him often and praised his white blade, the sword of the morning. Me too. No, I'm just kidding.

I do find it interesting how, of course, these are all men that Barristan knew very well, right? Like he served by them. He probably knew some of their secrets silently more than they knew their secrets in some ways, right? Like you observe a lot of things when you're in close quarters. So I find it really fascinating how hard he's able to lie right here. And like, you know, he knew a lot of these guys, a lot of these guys served with him.

Like it's crazy. Served, yeah. Yeah. Well, Dani insists Viserys was a king, you know, even though he never reigned. And she presses Whitebeard for more information. She's a little drunk on the information, right? Like she's finally getting this connection to her family

and she's yearned for this and she just wants more and more. Whitebeard says, Rhaegar was a great warrior, but says that words win no battles. Ooh. Makes you think of that Jamie moment with him that he'll talk about this when he returns. Jorah retorts swords do and Rhaegar did know how to use a sword.

Whitebeard cautions skill alone doesn't win fights, luck footing, and even the wind or supper can decide victory. Yeah, so again, the wind, the motif in this chapter, and it makes me really think about, wow, what is it gonna mean when we talk about the winds of winter one day? This whole thing though of like, words win, no battles, I think it's interesting that Whitebeard says that because that's not true. The story is telling us often that that is not true. That's why the trappings of power

matter so much to Illyrio and Varies, and it's also not what Tywin tells us, right? Later on, in regards to the Red Wedding, he's like, why kill blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And that his pen was able to win the war for him allegedly, right, by organizing the Red Wedding. And so I thought that was an interesting argument. It's also that like, I don't know, Rhaegar's strength as a warrior, it wasn't the sword, which is what Whitebeard is trying to tell us, but he's kind of like overlooking that because I do think he was a good warrior. It's just that boys like Viserys and of course our other POV characters, like the Stark Children that we've discussed before, they're raised to believe that the sword is what makes a good warrior, especially the boys. Like that's what matters,

and it's what they end up having to unlearn throughout the series, or else how else would we have character arcs? You know, Rhaegar's strength as a warrior was that his men did love him, right? And he inspired people as a leader. He was a good strategist until he like fucked everything up.

Well, and there's something interesting in here, right? Especially so like the next part right after this, he kind of provokes Jorah's anger because he's like, he refers to a lady's favor being tied to a knight's arm after this, talking about like supper and talking about the victories of like the knight stuff. But when you reread this and like especially with what you were saying it kind of reminded me when you start to piece it together with Rhaegar's rebellion, they always call it Robert's rebellion but not Rhaegar's rebellion right and it was Rhaegar rebelling under his dad's thumb. Daddy. Daddy, daddy.

Rhaegar's rebellion, hosting the rebellion meetings at Harrenhal potentially, and his words to Jaime that, you know, we'll talk when we get back. And then putting it together here, when Whitebeard says, skill alone doesn't win fights. Luck, footing, even the wind or supper can decide victory. Oh, supper. Makes me think of, god damn it, it makes me think of the night of the laughing tree. Liana Stark.

Yeah. Skill alone doesn't win fights. Luck, footing, even the wind or supper. And that words win no battles, but you know, Whitebeard says that doesn't win battles. Well, words were probably what he was doing. I mean, he also was probably fucking Lyanna because that's how babies happen usually, but words too that he probably spoke to her a couple times and you know, there was a little bit of rebelling and different things going on. It just makes you think like, oh, words almost did win the war.

Yeah, they did. They really did. It was close. Like Tywin's money and words. Yeah. I mean, yeah. When you read it aloud, I was like, oh, yeah, that's also red vending. Oh, yeah. Red vending. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was like, oh,, that's also redbedding. Oh yeah, the supper, redbedding. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was like, Oh God, the supper. Um, but yeah, like, I mean, the winds plus we got mad literal magical words, maybe in soft, so something in there.

Also, I feel like this chapter has a lot of little Rhaegar secrets as we get through this last part here that are like buried and hidden, but not obviously, like he's being somewhat honest and like he's withholding from her. But all of this is so much to stack into our Rhaegar cannon right now. Cannon in both ways, I guess, like a cannon you'd shoot something out of, but also the C-A-N-O-N cannon. So it's interesting because I feel like every single thing about Rhaegar does have like a backhanded motive in George's mind of how he's explaining it to us. Like, I do think there are Lyanna hints here.

Like, as we go forward. Barristan was close with these people, he saw them every day. And even here, like he has these second handed things like Jorah takes offense at the ladies favor tied to a knight's arm, but kind of makes me think again, Liana and Rhaegar and the favor he gave her, not the cunnilingus. That's what I thought too. Yeah, the flowers, right? So like Jorah takes it backhanded here and Daenerys calms him and she's like, oh, like

Arstin meant no offense and Jorah accepts her word. But at the same time, I do kind of think that he meant offense I always do yeah I think Barristan like has his number on lock because again, he knows all these people he's speaking about and Barristan's also too big to be petty So he wants to watch the trash take itself out in a way and get itself found out But it's interesting because they both have the same secret, right? Like they both chose the crown over her direct bloodline. Like he stuck with the crown.

Jorah chose the crown and is selling her out or was selling her out to the crown. Like they both chose the crown. And Barristan's the only one that is actually meaning anything good by his actions, whereas and giving her some truths while Jorah is like hiding his tracks and lying constantly still and doing things to isolate her that we're going to see. So like very interesting the two ways like the devil, it kind of like

is devil angel like Melisandre Davos in a way, but not quite. Yeah. A little bit, kind of. But it's interesting and the both Davos and Melisandre seem like way smarter and more capable, though, of giving like, is it always the most ethical advice? I don't know, but like, smarter advice in some ways. Um, yeah, I really like that comparison they are. Jory doesn't like that this man is maybe just a little too much like him, but like, Barysson has the benefit of like when he does finally defect, it's like very clearly

defecting in some ways. Granted, he was fired, but but also like he couldn't stand for it anymore. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So Daenerys continues to ask Whitebeard more about Rhaegar, whom she barely remembers, and he describes Rhaegar as intelligent, dutiful, and deliberate. Whitebeard recounts a tale. Rhaegar was bookish until one day he read something that changed him. He approached

Ser Willem Daery, saying he needed a sword and armor, for he must become a warrior. And, um, so we can like speculate on whatever was in the scrolls that he saw that told him that he needed to be a warrior. I feel like we've probably talked about it before. It's probably something supernatural or prophetic. It's like Jade compendium shit. Let's be real. That's all it is. Maybe, or like, I don't know who knows, but like basically that kind of idea, that line of thinking. But also I think that like throughout his studies, Rhaegar likely saw that he needed to be a warrior to wield power as a king, like his studies of history, because he was a nerd, he's just like us, he could have been a guest on the podcast.

And like, I don't think that he read this here necessarily, but I don't think he thought that swordsmen, and I don't think that he thought that swordsmen were necessarily better kings, but he saw the pattern of rulers who were respected that people followed, especially the dichotomy that people set up between Damon Blackfire and Darren Targaryen during the Blackfire rebellion, maybe even as far back as analyzing Aenys' rule. He saw that the trappings of power included the performance of masculinity, even if he didn't think about it in those terms, because I don't think that Rhaegar was a gender studies scholar, not

that we are. Yeah, like a gender study scholar, not that we are, but like- Yeah, he loved to study gender. Oh, true. I'm like, I'm better than him at this. Let's be real. Oh my god. That's true. But he did know that he had to fit the narrative, right?

Of what it- of being a warrior, if he was going to be respected as a king, if people were going to follow him as a ruler, or as a leader when it comes to, you know, big supernatural problems. And especially like after the way that his own father ruled, he needed to fit into that story. Oh, I love the way you've compared this, especially going back to kind of that masculinity as a performance. When you talked about earlier, like how these are how they're raised. They are raised that like the sword is how you win the battle. But actually, you see Robb Stark lose the war, right? Yeah. You see some of that go down.

So really well compared. And it's so crazy that you bring up the scroll because I know what it said. I have a copy of it right here. Oh, my God. Right in front of me. It says wins to. Yeah, God. In front of me. It says, do you have winds too? Yeah, I do look under your chair. Uh, it says from my blood come the Prince that was promised his will be the song of ice and fire. No, I'm just kidding.

I mean, honestly, probably. Probably. Something like that. Uh, also interesting that Willem Derry is who he told he needed a sword and armor from. That kind of stood out to me. Let's read through. I didn't remember that it was Willam Derry, he told. Same. Um, so Willam Derry protecting Dany kind of feels and her connection to him, right? That's interesting. Like maybe Willam Derry felt a closer connection to her.

Maybe Rhaegar tells him more as he goes. We don't know. Maybe Willem Derry knew more. Yeah. He probably did. He's just, you know. I mean, anyone knows when you watch him being like emaciated over his scrolls going all of a sudden, like, must be a warrior, it appears. It is fun to think about because if Willem Derry knew, like like was he like gossiping to the rest of his family members because I don't know. Darien's just like low-key very important house, you know? Yeah, you have him and then you have like Gatehouse Amy. No, I'm just kidding. The Darier. Darier. Oh my god, the Darier! Not again. Oh, those were the good days. Who were we?

Not again. Oh, those were the good days. Who were we? I also I really love this. I'm going to this is a blink and you miss it moment. And I think it's really important. Buckle up. Are you buckled? I'm ready. OK. I'm buckled. So earlier, Danny says, or he around here, a good queen must listen to all. This is a little like right after this, actually, like literally right after this.

She reminded him the high born and the low, the strong and the weak, the noble and the venal. One voice may speak you false, but in many there is always truth to be found. She had read that in a book. Oh, until one day Prince Rhaegar found something in his scrolls that had changed him. Oh, it appears she must be a queen. Look, I just think it's unfair that people like Daenerys didn't read those books she was gifted. Listen, she literally did. Yeah right now. Yeah, she's been so much easier when you're traveling, you know, like it's a little different, like when you don't have the time, like she works a full time job, and

she does single mother. Like, yes, it's and she's a teenager. Like, can you please give her some work life balance and being harassed and assaulted in every day? Yeah, so I'm just like, where was she gonna find that? Like just think like it's so unfair to be like oh she didn't want to read the books she wants to be ignorant I'm like this is fantastic proof that she's fucking doing it I haven't heard that thank God so like I don't know who these imaginary people are but like they're wrong they exist and they're

wrong I have so many soap boxes. Anyways, I just read what you, oh tell me, what you post in our Google Doc. That's what I read and I love it. It exists. I love my echo chamber. So strong Bel-Waz, loudly demands food, same, and Danny dismisses Whitebeard to attend to him. Jorah watches with unease and he kind of takes Danny aside and he's like, I wouldn't trust this old man. I don't trust him. I distrust him. That's what I say about Jorah.

I want to trust that old man. Your old man, get out. Well, he's rubber your glue, bitch. He's probably like, what? I don't know. He's close enough to my age that like I'd be like don't trust that old man. The white beard serving Strong Belwas, throwing it out there, just throwing it out there, reminds me a little bit of John as a steward, right? You know, the grooming

to rule important person, leader, whatever. Also, Strong Belwas, you know, the grooming to rule important person leader, whatever. Also strong bell was fashion icon. They tell us that he's got like a yellow belt accessory. He's got like a too tiny, obviously a statement vest because it's got leather suds. Like clearly it's just a statement. So just saying fashion hour. Yeah. It's kind of like a leather daddy. I love that. He is. I do think that is what they're going for. Daenerys replies that as you said,

the queen must listen to all voices to find the truth. And Jorah insists that Whitebeard is too old and refined to just be a squire to Strongbell Wasp. And like, first of all, just goes to show you again, the skill of Strongbell Wasp and also like only the best, only the best people can be Squires to Strongbell Was. And I think Jorah is just jealous that he doesn't get to serve Strongbell Was. That is what's coming through here.

He's jealous. Daenerys acknowledges the risk but says she cannot win Westeros without trust. She reflects on the past threats like the poisoned wine in a base Dothraki, the sorrowful man in Qarth and the Dothraki cause who would probably try to enslave her if they could, which true. And she also has this line that I thought was kind of funny regarding Quaithe of like, was she an enemy too

or only a dangerous friend? And I have like now this thought of like a Mean Girls arc with Quaithe as a friend of me and I'm like, that's the word that you want here, Daenerys. You want the word friend of me. It's probably actually different when it comes to Quaithe, but whatever. Dora reminds her of the warlock's prophecy that she will face three betrayals, one for blood, one for gold, one for love, and Meeri Maz Dora was the first. Allegedly.

Probably. Allegedly. Probably., allegedly, probably. Allegedly. Probably, I mean probably. Yeah, I love that. That's very fun. Very fun. Unless we go with what, Grey's, which I also liked Grey's, thought in which the first one for blood would be Daenerys to Viserys or something. Interesting.

But. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. But yeah, interesting. OK. I also really hate like. That Jorah keeps bringing it up and like, OK, low key, Danny's not crazy, but Jorah might make her. I would be fucking crazy if this man. Yeah, if that's going mad, I would fucking go mad because he's like,

he's trying to breed dissent and isolate her and groom her to only like him. He's jealous. He's scared and jealous of Barristan arriving. He knows Barristan knows who he is. If he does or does not know Barristan. Yeah. Like he has suspicions that Barristan is somebody else. Like, do you think this doesn't haunt her every thought already, bro? Like, she's already thinking about the prophecy constantly. She should not be thinking about it to this extent.

This will drive her a little bit angry and crazy if she thinks about it too much. And he is seriously like just like getting her alone. And he's like, Oh, did you ever think about the way that everybody's going to betray you and leave you someday, Danny? Like, oh, no, hadn't thought of it in the last hour, you fucking bitch. Yeah. That's not being supportive. Well, she's known. Yeah, you're right. It's not supportive. And it is like doing it selfishly.

He's clearly like it's very clear to me he's doing it so that she trusts him more to distract her from what Arston said to get her to stop thinking about all the stuff she just heard about her family, which is the thing she's hungry for. Home. Yeah, he's just trying to isolate her as he said, like, uh. He doesn't have anything he can give her. Barristan has something that he can give her. That's true. That's right. Barristan has these memories. Barristan has these things. She doesn't need Jorah if she has Barristan.

And it's like closer to her heart too, right? Like you saw that, oh, it's something that like is her heart. And Jorah has nothing. Yeah. You dusty bitch. Jorah is suspicious also of Illyrio and his men. He warns her the ship's crew and protectors all belong to Illyrio, and we hear their age- old argument back and forth. Dani argues, Illyrio's helped me. Jorah's like, well, his motives aren't pure and that is wealth that drives him, not loyalty. Okay, well, at least those are like obvious things.

Jorah talks about Robert's son being on the throne and then says that a dutiful son pays his father's debts, even blood debts. And you know what? I, Daenerys Countess is like, I bet that boy doesn't even remember I exist. And I honestly, I think she's right. I think he forgot that she was alive. Um, yeah, he's busy like killing birds.

Yeah. With stones. Obviously there's an aspect of that line that is referencing Robb Stark, right? Because again, this is a storm of swords and with how the rest of the book goes and discussions of wind and luck. I mean, like gray wind, ha ha ha, right? I feel like that plays in there too. Um, but I also think that a large part of this, especially with the language of pay's debts is thematically discussing Tyrion's role, kind of setting the stage

for him to eventually come into Daenerys' storyline and what it means to be a dutiful son, especially to someone who is not a very dutiful father because he kills his dad at the end of this book. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Which is kind of like, I guess Daenerys and the death of his series in a way. Anyways, Tyrion like Daenerys.

I mean, they're just chasing the shadows of their family, right? They're longing to do right by them. We see how like Tywin is still there for Tyrion and he's trying to live up. He's like, Oh, would daddy approve of this? Even though I killed him and like Daenerys, right? She's not sure they're, they're trying to do right by these without their actual people. They're telling them what to do. It's just their imagined voices, right? And those imagined voices are really, you know, they're really just reflections of their own soul and the stories that they were told, projections of what they think they need

to live by. I love that too, because like Daenerys has literally had the shadows form up her corporeal family now, right? Like she's had them actually literally haunt her. So because the house of the undying, so like they're chasing what they really are imagining is real in the truth. Yeah, in the dreams and instead of living for themselves, right? They're living in their memories or lack thereof. Both of them. They're just like chasing whatever they think the family means they're supposed to be in. Yeah. Family. Tyrion's chasing family in a different, like also like vengeance, but also

approval so much. I liked, there's something going on here, I think, with Illyrio Moe Patis being portrayed as like new money that I think is a great contrast to Littlefinger, right? Especially like if he's doing all these plots for his black fire wife that makes him in another way also again a foil to Littlefinger. He's doing all of his plans in pursuit of like a woman as well but like there's a big difference in it because doing it for your dead wife who did marry you is a is way different than doing it for the undead object of your projection slash limerence. And speaking of projection, as you've been saying like Jorah, really fucking

projecting here of like I don't know, can you really trust them if they've been sent by Illyrio? Like what if they're betraying you? I'm like, oh I get it Don't trust someone who was sent by Illyrio because you were sent by Illyrio and you're untrustworthy for many reasons Yeah, exactly. It's so funny how insecure he is in this chapter. Like it's just like shouted out and You know, it's it is interesting, though. It makes me curious if Dani by accepting these gifts from Illyrio, if she has a renewed confidence in him, because that was kind of their back

and forth last book right between her and Jorah of like, Khaleesi, he does not care about you. And she's like, no, I don't know that's true. I think that like he does and you just don't get him because he's misunderstood. And then Illyrio gives her the three boats and Arstin and Belos, the best character in the world. And like when you get a gift horse like that, you don't look it in the mouth. You're like, oh my God, this is exactly what I needed. I needed ships. And obviously he has plans for her. But as we learn here in just a bit,

she's stealing Illyrio's cargo and selling it. And I mean, you loaned her the ships, so maybe don't load it with the cargo, but that is kind of stealing quote unquote from him. And she's using that for buying her next step in her war against his wishes. So I think that's setting up some future tension. Like you mentioned that we're going to go back to Ill wishes. So I think that's setting up some future tension. Like you mentioned that we're going to go back to Illyrio. I think that's setting up some great tension between them because at some point are we going to hear Illyrio be like, that girl stole from me? Yeah.

And Jor's all like, I don't know, but if he's really your friend, like, he's not going to mind. Like, you know, this is just part of his whole investment. And I'm like, is that what friends do? Like, should I be stealing from you, Chloe? And just like, doing weird shit with stuff? I hope not. Yeah. Should I go and be like, yeah, but you're my friend. You should just let me steal. Oh, this is like remembering melody. Okay. Oh, a little bit. Okay, interesting. A little. A little, yeah little bit. Okay, interesting. A little, yeah. Jorah proposes a plan.

Instead of returning straight to Pentos, he says, why don't we take a pit stop to Slaver's Bay, buy some Unsullied and Astapor, and win back your throne? He tells her the tale of the 3,000 Unsullied who defeated Dothraki Kalisar at Kohor through discipline and sacrifice once. I feel like other people have already done this breakdown, so I'm not gonna really do

it. We'll just nod to it. Of powerful narrative of Last Stand stuff, see it play out in other legends, like for example, like likely very inspired by the Battle of Thermopylae, maybe even the Alamo, except a lot of those they lost, but whatever. George is like, wow, pop history. But I think there's something kind of, I don't know, that fascinates me because upon rereading about this battle at Kohor, it feels like a corrupted version of those last stand narratives, right? Like these stories that were told throughout history that are like really moved people

because these on solid fought so fiercely for a city that they didn't know simply because they were bought and told to do it, right? Objects of war like the dragons. And it's a corruption of those stories of the last stand because I think that the most famous of those tales the reason why they like really grip us as

People is it's about There's there's an underlying idea that many of them die to defend their home or their land or at the very least something that they strongly Believe in knowing that if you don't hold this the enemies enemies have a clear path to your home, to your loved ones, or like, I don't know, some shit like that, right? And the Unsullied here don't have that, so... I don't know. Interesting to me. Yeah, and how quick he was to be like, you could just go buy them. Yeah, because he's like, I don't know, I love buying and selling people. Dura Mormont. It's that easy, Khaleesi. Yeah.

Interesting. Thank you for the history, Eliana. I mean, I think everyone knows this. That's just like fucking the movie 300 but not... Huh. Blossing over that. The Battle of Thermopylae. The Battle of Thermopylae is like inspired by that. The Battle of Monopoly? No, so sorry. The movie 300 is inspired by the Battle of Thermopylae. Oh, the Battle of Thermopylae was inspired by the movie 300. I mean, just like Daenerys' character was inspired by us.

Dani asks how she might pay for such soldiers. Like we said. Jorah suggests sell the cargo. Sell it all, all the luxury goods, the tiger skins, the silks. Slaves are cheap by comparison. Yeah, just buy them. Just buy them. He warns her that sea travel is no safer than a land march.

Danny agrees to change course and then tests the loyalty of everyone around her. I do love, as we get to it, of course, Danny does not just fucking buy slaves. She frees them. And that is so important that Jorah is in this chapter. Just like buy them by the slaves, just buy the slaves, just buy your own. Just get your own slaves. And she instead is no, I free them.

I free them and they can choose. And I think that's so fucking badass. But also, George really telling us danger can happen to dragons at sea every other minute in this chapter, like a lot about that. You know, I really did start this reread of ours back seven years ago. I really did start this with like the concept in my head

that I really didn't think anything would happen to Danny's dragons because I'm nothing but a young girl who knows little of war. And I'm starting to think something might happen to these dragons or at least one of them at sea, maybe. Interesting. With the nod to to what's going on with Euron or maybe even like, you know, maybe young Griff as he allies with the Dornish. Yeah. They have bolts that they release on the dragons because by the way Quinten died under her care, quote unquote,

under a peace banner to her. So I don't know, like maybe, you know, some Meraxes kind of action. Maybe it's the fucking Greyjoys on the water. I don't know. Could be anything, but I'm reminded of Joceras, right? And of the old battle in the gullet. Like, I think that's a sure show of potential danger in dragons that were still relatively young. Yeah, I like that you brought up the battle of the gullet because that does involve the Free Cities and not all the Free Cities or not every single person from the Free Cities, right, is going to fall in line.

Daenerys, she the lower class slash slaves and freed slaves will align with Daenerys, but there's a whole merchant and other class that is going to be big mad at her for what she's done and they own some ships. And so like, I think that, as you said, there could be something there again with the Dornish and the, and the free cities, especially cause we know Doran's got connections there. But also, as you said, there's the Euron aspect, but yeah, I mean, what you're telling me as well, it sounds like you're saying she just kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet. I don't know if that's what you were telling me. But it looks just like... God.

You know those gifts of like the... what is it? Dogcat or something? Who's like the veteran one? That's how you look right now, the meme of it. Seeing some shit. Yeah. Uh, we're about to see some more shit. This one's also traumatic.

Holy shit. Because as Daenerys dresses, uh, Jorah embraces and kisses her passionately. She is startled, but doesn't immediately resist. Ugh. She pulls away, flustered. Jorah tells her he should have kissed her a long time ago. She reminds him she is his queen, and there's that line of you were made to be kissed,

and I'm just, all of it is just like, ew. And you'll note that I did not put that in this outline. I know you didn't. But yet, you reminded me of its existence. It's important to note because I'm just like, oh my god, no she wasn't. She wasn't made for that. She was made for like, in and of herself. Ugh, sorry.

The prophecy is brought up, and Jorura closes out the chapter with a different interpretation of — we're just gonna read through this — of like, your grace, the dragon has three heads, remember? You have wondered at that, ever since you heard it from the warlocks in the house of dust. Well, here's your meaning. Balerion, Meraxes, and Vhagar, ridden by Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders." Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three

riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three

riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three

riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. Rhaenys, and Visenya, the three-headed dragon of House Hargharian, three dragons and three riders. in all the world who will ever be half so true to you as me." That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works. You can't just choose a dragon and choose to be her husband, Jorah. She's a queen. Why doesn't he get how any of this works? He feels entitled.

You are made to be kissed. And like, I mean, maybe, but not by you, bro. You Dane. You Dane. He's all like, I know. he's all like, look, I can also say things about House Targaryens. Like, everyone fucking knows this lore, Jorah. Shut up. Like, it's not as good as Whitebeard's lore. Yeah, it's a little forced.

It's a little forced. It's a little too late. And like, when she gets kissed by Jorah, listen, the text says that she says, oh, but I'm just saying is that not a parallel to the famous last words of Quentin right before he got burned by a dragon of just oh, you know, and it is the same, it is the same, don't you see? I'm joking, It's not the same, except for the fact that both of these things that happened to Quentin and Daenerys were very bad for them. Oh. Oh, right before a horrible thing happens to you. God. Oh, and then Eliana began to scream. Yes.

It is kind of like, I'm just like, she's not that stupid. Like he really thought? Like why don't you take me as one of your husbands? I'm even willing to be the lesser one. Like you could just take me as one of your two husbands, Daenerys. Just give me one of the dragons and I'll be your husband and I'll be the most loyal. Like these are all like, I'm just trying to logic it out loud, I'm sorry, but like, it is clearly the thought. It's very much, you brought up Littlefinger earlier with Illyrio, right? There is the Littlefinger here with Jorah, obviously similar dynamic in that he is making these huge plans

for her, but he doesn't understand what happens when the pawn crosses the fucking board. Right? Right? Like, guess what happens? They become the queen. That's not how this works. And yeah, he just doesn't understand that the pawn has mind of her own. And that mine audacity, it is like a very audacious, like I'm just not over it even though I've read it like 800 times in my life. I'm literally not over it because it really is like a you fucking thought. Like that you thought. Like like cut his tongue out.

I'm just kidding. Like maybe I'm into monarchs now, especially if it means killing Chora. I'm also just like get away from her. She's 13. 14. She's 14, 15 now. It's just like you weren't even a great lord. Yeah, that's true. Exiled lord. You're an upjumped knight that barely's a knight. You have no status and you can offer her nothing. And you know that. If he did all these things for her and he was also like 16, 17, like two years

different from her, I'd be like, all right, sure. And didn't have like his weird history about his previous wife who's definitely still alive and left him because he's a loser, right? Like, slight wipe clean, did all these things, was 16, 17 years old. I'd be like, alright, I don't know, maybe. You know? Like- I mean, yeah, if she was desperate.

It's not about the looks. Also that he fucking enslaved people was like, let's just buy more slaves. Yeah, that's what every girl wants to hear right before getting kissed. Let's just buy some slaves. Shut up. Yeah, his words like, the words that come out of his mouth don't match his eyes, don't match his heart, don't match his soul, right? Like he says things but they're empty and then he turns around and he's like, you know,

like he's like, oh, Illyrio's no friend of yours, he sold you and then he turns around and he's like, want to buy some slaves, Khaleesi? I know, right? Or like, you know, like there's just all these little like isms that he just is like hitting. It's really, yeah, it is frustrating to watch because again, I just don't understand why he thinks that he has enough value to offer her, how he can sit there in one breath and say he is the most loyal servant of her, that he would follow her anywhere and will serve her and be her knight, you know, whatever. That he'll be on his the Kingsguard, you know, like that he'll do

all these things like Kingsguard serves for life. If you seriously think she should trust you, then you would know better than to say I could be your husband because it's something that like, it's just not right. It's not going to happen, dude. It's you're not going to fly a dragon. It's not going to accept you. You have nothing to give her. You got to go. You gotta leave. You're going to have to leave, Jorah. He just doesn't respect her as a person, right? Like, Daenerys later on is like, if he would just fucking say sorry,

then it'll be done. But he never, he never says sorry for anything that he ever does. He thinks he does no wrong. And I think that's just the worst part. That's how Linesse felt, huh? Yeah, probably. They probably had arguments and she's like, why don't you just say sorry? Right? Or like, she can't articulate it because she's just been

fucking beaten down by this weirdo. And maybe if you just said sorry, it would be fine. That's all. Well, I hate him very much as well. Thank you. I know that it's probably like annoying. It's like, not a bit though. This is so warranted. It is a bit some days, but this was warranted. Yeah, that's true. I'm like, I don't take it as a bit, but this is warranted. I can't promise you Eliana won't

be annoying about it the rest of her life. I won't. I'm gonna be annoying about it. But like like listen, however annoying I am about it is not as annoying as some slaver just being like, ramming his tongue down your throat. God. Jesus Christ. Yeah, fire and blood, baby. Fire and blood. Well, that wraps it up for the Anti-Jorah Mormont Coalition. That's what this chapter turns out was about. We'll be holding a meeting again next week, so we'll be back with Dani too, in a storm of swords. Where can they find us?

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Goodbye. Now I'm like literally worked up. I'm so annoyed by him. I know, same. I'm like, I'm awake. Now, wow, hate really does can be a big driver, huh? I love it. And maybe that's what the story's about too, in some ways.

Spite and hate. Yeah, it's not like a big driver, huh? And maybe that's what the story's about too, in some ways. Spite and hate. Yeah. It's not like a healthy driver. Like I don't feel healthier for feeling this way. No, but it's real. Same time next week? Yup. Goodbye. Bye.