Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 265 — ADWD Daenerys III

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

Who needs enemies with friends like these? -------- Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon reads A Song of Ice and Fire. Episode 265, Denaries 3 in A Dance with Dragons. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your host, Eliana. Yes, Adowada. We're back. It's us. We're here.

Hey, we're back. Do a little quick housekeeping up top before we jump into the emails that were promised. We'll be back for our patrons in the stranger tier and above with a bonus episode this month. For you, it will be catching fire, the Hunger Games. the second novel, The Enemy Part 1, that's Act 3, The Enemy, Part 1. We will finish Catching Fire in December, is our guest, admit.

Most likely. That is our hope. And that's because in November, the Patreon episode will be our annual tradition. Our family tradition. Because it's going to be annual this year. Yeah. It is the annual tradition of November being the Girls Gone, Canon. Gossip Girls Gone Canon. Thanksgiving episode. Season 2, episode 11 Thanksgiving scene.

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the whole series has been out for like a long time. Yeah. I mean, it's Gossip Girl. I read the books when I was in middle school, so, and they're very different. They're very different, but also, like, it's kind of a cultural touchstone. so you probably know enough anyway, just like, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, Serena.

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patron. Yes. Thunder tier patrons and above get access to our Discord where we have a lot of fun channels with interesting discussions, food, and also once a month we do our brunch slash happy hour brappy hour. And this month is going to be October 18th where we all, you know, puts around. Sometimes we do like, it's going to be our autumnal, you know. I don't know. We haven't done a Halloween party in a while. Maybe it's our Halloween party this year again. I'm excited for Halloween. I have my costume already. It is in my house. I'm ready. I don't know what I'm doing. Ready. I guess it's a Friday this year. Yeah, I'm hyped. Friday. I can't wait to pass out candy, dude. I've become so old. I've been like, I love passing out candy. It's so fun. It is the

funest job. I sit there with a beer passing out candy. I did have a lot of fun, like a few years ago. We were passing out candy on my street. It was so cute. Like, it was, I don't know, was it 20, So people were like outside as well because you had to be outside. It was a weird time during the pandemic and like all the neighbors were out there. And one of them they had candy for the kids and wine for the adults, you know, up and down the street. And then we were passing out candy with the neighbors. We had like a fire pit going to. It was so cute.

What a time. That's what it's about. That's what it's about. And then like all the kids coming through and their outfits and they want the candy and like the youth having fun. there's like hope and shit going on I don't know I like a little hope in my city just a little not a lot just a little

just a little micro dose of hope that's right I was basically ill for Halloween last year oh so this year you need to come back in a big way I'm like I'm so excited about Halloween I thought about a second costume today like it's getting out of control if I dress that I'm kind of greedy I'm over here with like two and you don't even have one yeah I don't know I just

I could give you one of mine. I'm not, like, great at, like, thinking ahead of time about my costumes. We had ideas for costumes last year, but then also, obviously, again, that all fell apart because I was ill. Because you're sick. I was ill after seeing you. Not because of you. There were many people involved in the airport. And now you're ill from not seeing me.

That's so true. But speaking of people being ill, onto our emails and tweets of note, we got a comment on Spotify. Yeah, it was a Spotify comment. from Jason Brockhorn who's whole name I'm going to say because it's out there for everyone to see on Spotify It says Usually he emails us

This is fun Usually it's an email, not a comment Fine Yeah, I know Switching it up Says welcome back Chloe It's weird hearing you and your roommate Getting sick on separate podcasts

Hmm They can't be related right I'm sorry I think there's something going on Between those two What kind of thing is going on If y'all are related Wow don't turn me on Don't turn me on like that.

Team friends. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm starting to think there's something going on between those two. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. We had a comment from our friend Nana Perro on Podbean.

Ace Woff, episode 158, A Feast for Crow, Sam 3. Oh my God. This is so long ago. I love it. I'm so glad that you're listening to these. Bring me egg throwback. Throw forward question mark. I thought that was funny.

I was like, oh, more bring me. And I know, like, we had said it in the past, but I couldn't, like, remember. I was like, I feel, I feel like I'm having deja vu going over this, like, bring me a moment. So, love that. Nana Perro also, I guess we were talking about 100 years of solitude in a different, in a different episode, probably in regards to, like, the Targaryen dynasty and so forth. And also the fact that there's a net, yeah, true, Netflix show that I haven't watched, but it's okay, because I read the book.

And I don't know, I'm not, like, ready to watch the show. I hear it's actually good. So maybe I should at some point. But anyways, Nana Pera wants us to cover 100 years of solitude. That's where that ends. I kind of want us to, too, but I don't know. Maybe. We'll see. We'll see.

You never know. Danny's over soon, guys. That's all I'm saying. I'm on Tyrion. Danny's over. And then the winds of winter. Tyrion's to come. Winds a winner.

All of that to come. So you never know, with the pacing of it all, maybe 100 years of solitude could happen. Thanks, Nana. We also got a couple of different emails and comments from our friend Thunderclap who thank you for compiling in an email. I didn't pull them in because maybe we'll save it for an episode. Who knows? Our questions for George and also reminded us that there was a point when we had asked if anyone had started listening to Girls Gone Cannon in the middle of our coverage, right? Like has not like listened to the beginning and like where you started.

And Thunderclap apparently first started listening to us when Joe Magician came on way, way, way back in the day. That was supposed to be in like, what, a Game of Thrones, John? John 8, Ega. Yeah. John Ait. It was an AIMN chapter. I know that for sure. I just don't remember the number where it falls.

But yeah, I remember it was that one. And then, yeah, I never turned back. So I guess that was when Thunderclap joined us. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yo, that was a long time ago. Oh, and he never listened to the first episodes? That was the impression I got from that, but I don't necessarily know based on the fact that he pulled in some other of our questions from other episodes.

But maybe never turned back was like a turn of phrase. Oh, like never turned away from you. Yeah. Understood. He did go back to me because I'm like, maybe that's why he likes us, right? He started listening with going got good. No, people love our Sonsa coverage. That's true.

Because it's good. Yeah. And I personally love Artheon's coverage. So if you weren't there for that, you missed out. Yeah, you freaks. You have time. Just kidding. I mean, you actually definitely will probably end of this year, right?

Yeah, we'll see, huh? There's some scheduling to come. Get excited. Well, Thunderclip also said he had a couple of questions. He threw out there. These are fun. I like these. If fake Agon is already in Westeros flying the Targaryen flag, what would DeNaris use?

Ooh, I do love that. And I think, like, from a very base level, him flying the flag before she can is great. But also, I wonder if he will fly gold for the Golden Company. Yeah, I think he might, like, do something a little different or, like, I don't know, it would be hilarious if he just came out there. I was like, oh, yeah, no, is this the Blackfire sigil? I wouldn't know. That would be so funny.

What if I just found this flag? Close enough. So weird that we have this. I bought this flag on Sheen. Yeah, but I think he actually might, as same as you, be the one with a different flag, which should be like a tip off for everyone. Yeah, like, they really ignore it. They're like, but his penis, though. Yeah.

I also love, he asked, like, if you could personalize DeNaris's sigil, what would it be? And I thought about this for a while. I do a lot of sigil playing with in CK3 in Crusader Kings 3 Agat There's a lot of sigil designing you can do I like to give personal sigils for like If I'm playing as somebody that was like a child of a guy But he had special shit in his lore like

I'll do a Targaryen but he's married into the martels So maybe I add orange accents to the flag To highlight that for example I do conceptually think it would be really cool If Danny did not on like Reneera a quartered sigil of sorts, like something to represent the Dothraki

something to represent the Targaryens and then something also to represent like the East somehow. Like especially if she does some stuff in Valentus and fucks up a couple of the cities on the way home. Like, I don't know, something to kind of show her conquering in the East.

Something, but like some sort of several sigils I could see her taking on not on like Renixte. Mira. Yeah. It's kind of funny because you can't quarter it for her mom or anything in the way that, like... Or Nera did? Because it's just Targary and Targaryen. Basically. But this would not be aesthetic at all. Maybe you quarter the background with like the black and the red, right? You keep the colors. Well, I guess you can keep it on the dragon a little. But I'm like, it could be fun to introduce Regal and Pasirian's colors. Kind of make it look a little like her crown. Right? having like this yeah I just think green I just like the color green is also partially I think green and green and gold together is a combo especially like forest green like j green like I don't know a lot of not all greens go with gold but a lot of them do that's all and then it kind of makes a little bit of

a beautiful delicious it's kind of aesthetic right that she's coming home with green and gold on her oh yeah that'd be pretty funny to the greens and the golds anyways anyways so So that's what I would do, purely based on my taste. But that's how George made these two. So, anyway. Also, I forgot who. I'm so sorry. Someone pointed out that there are transcripts of our podcast out there.

And I forgot which, like, website does it. I want to say it's like podcast addict or, I don't know. I think it's, is it pod scripts? Maybe. But I do know that part of the reason why that is available for all of you is I want to thank our friend Admiral Curd, who did submit our podcast for that service. So thank you. Thank you, Admiral Curd. Yeah, I remember he flagged that for us. And I was like, oh, sick. Thanks. So I referenced this email from Dr. Finn during my solo adventure. And some of these are in reaction

to that. Dr. Finn said I couldn't resist when Eliana mentioned in the latest episode. This was now a few episodes ago, time, that she was reading Gone to the Wind for the first time. I have a really fraught relationship with both the book and the movie, because I found Scarlet so deeply, appallingly compelling. I just wanted to see what shit that bitch would get up to next. Yo, real. No, I absolutely agree. She's like a really interesting and good character. Dr. Finn says, I never encountered a female protagonist like that. Just so unashamedly awful and I was different. I do wonder, like, how would you feel about, like, Becky Sharp from Vanity Fair, Dr. Finn? That's a question for you. Um, how would you feel about Becky Sharp? So we can perhaps see the roots in,

see in the roots of my abiding love for Circy Lannister, Rainier Targaryen, and Margaret of Anjou. Truly, I do have a type. She's awful and I love her. To quote the Tumblr post I stumbled on today, Scarlett is my OG emotional support evil horrible bitch This is so your partner coded by the way This is like literally your partner needs to be listening to this I think you would really like yeah But like I do think it's interesting because Yeah I forgot if we brought it up in that episode or not

Or just when you and I were talking But my memory is like clearly so shot everyone This was only a few weeks ago But yeah she's very much more like She is getting to her advanced stages Yeah Anyways Dr. Finn also expansive, but also that book is racist as hell. So is the movie.

We all know it. Everything about the ideology underpinning the book is absolute trash. I knew it growing up. I haven't re-read it or re-watched the film in years because I don't know that my adult self could handle it. But I think what compelled me, a first-gen South Asian kid growing up in White Ohio who had never set foot in the South other than driving to Florida, was that Scarlett herself didn't seem to buy into that entire. mythos of the lost cause. She simply did not care about any of it. There was something weirdly liberating about that for my teenage self. Probably I should talk about that with my therapist instead of emailing you both, but it's so rare to come across someone who chooses to read that book, and I've always snickered a little every time George R. Martin mentions it. I continue to thoroughly enjoy your deniery's coverage, though I

most recently got to listen to your episode on Victorian Greyjoy, aka one of my least favorite POVs. Between you and the most recent not a cast, I might hate him less. While I admire how Uron is written from the standpoint of cosmic horror, I confess the amount of sexual assault in those chapters makes them very difficult for me to read. And then, of course, Dr. Finn includes the requisite puppy photos for tax. Much appreciated. Yeah, respect that. I want you to know that I've never laughed more than the line. Probably I should talk about that with my therapist instead of emailing you both. I really love the self-awareness. You should never feel like this, Dr. Finn. Maybe there are some people that should, but you should not, ever. I mean, I don't mind people emailing us.

Sometimes those, but I'm like, are you okay? Every now and then I'm like, are you okay? We are not therapists, yeah. You should not use us for your mental health. However, we love to hear from you. We can make it worse. I'm like a big believer in that I can make him worse, like movement. But, Yeah, we could definitely make you worse. Yeah. So there is a part of it when it comes to gone to the wind that, like, I don't really... I was shocked when I got into some portions, I was like, oh my God, this is, as Dr. Finn says, racist as hell.

But, like, I think it's good to know the ancient text is basically how I'll put it. And, like, yeah, Scarlet is a really compelling heroine, and I do think it's good to know in terms of, again, like, It was such a big influence in George and Mighty Isabel has done a, and Stephen Aweil did a great job of breaking some of that down. In response to some of that discussion and the minisode, our friend Warren discussed, you know, fever dream is also on his list. I need to continue reading it. I loved your minisode. It was really great about, like, what you did talk about with it was awesome. I didn't know I could talk for 40 minutes straight.

I think you yap a lot. Yeah. You are a yapper, and that's what's great about you, Eliana. you're great at yapping. The time just flew by. See my bonagna content. It's not on here. And Warren said,

the first thing I wanted to say was vampires, cannibals, etc. Why must we die at shame people? Have we not grown as a society? And I thought that was pretty funny. And then touches on some of the, like, ways that George kind of repeats names and concepts. But I will say, like, regarding,

so Warren asked, regarding Gone with the Wind's racism, is it not reflective of the time, but also in more pertinently, isn't it interesting how when viewing older art through a modern lens, our perspective can change. I admire when I see something bold enough to challenge a reader slash viewer without pressing the point. The blackface scene in Mad Men springs to mind. I think that Gone with the Wind, she actually was like invested in the lost cause. Like Margaret Mitchell, I think my understanding from what I've heard was.

And I also will say like, I don't know that it was reflective of the time. It might have been a little more extreme considering I've heard that Gone with the Wind was like very popular. in a positive way and beloved by Germany of the 30s. Like, gone with the wind came out in the 30s. So I'll let you all piece together what that means regarding all that regime. Like, yes, maybe it is reflective of the time, aka reflective of Nazis. Yeah. So, yeah, in some ways, yes.

Just not in the same way we're thinking. Yeah, but, like, not everyone felt that way, right? And that's the thing. Like, that's why we're like, bro, what the fuck were you thinking, H.P. Lovecraft with some of the stuff that you wrote, you know? Like, and I think that there's an extent to which that was a very canonical text for a certain generation and for some generations afterwards of which, like immediately afterwards, such as Georges, that I think didn't necessarily interrogate some of those messages in that same way. But now we have more

knowledge and people, yeah, to do so and to like view it through a different lens. But I don't know that it's like something that needed to be reflective or accepted of the time because there were people who criticized it even shortly after so that's all there's not as much of a dimensional view of perspective yeah you know where i feel like fever dream obviously something is like very obvious of like these are the people that are bad for what they are doing to people to their bodies to their families to their everything also sucking them dry of blood but like on top of it all. So, like, yeah. So, like, I think it's pretty, the enslavement bad is a pretty easy concept to understand. And it shows both sides of that concept and fever dream, right? You see

people that are clearly, you see all dimensions of it, right? You have Abner himself who's like, well, I don't know. That's just how society is, right? And everyone's like, well, does it have to be that way? And then you have the whole faction that's like, yes, enslave, drink the blood. Yeah. So I think there's a little, except they do it in Southern accents, I'm sorry, a little more twangy than what I did. I don't know what that was. But I do think Gone with the Wind can be a little less dimensional. Yeah. It seems to think less of that is right. So I don't know. There are things about it that are dimensional, right? Like as Dr. Finn pointed out, Scarlet O'Hara, incredible, like, heroin.

The prose is really good for parts that are not. Yeah, I mean, Scarlet is a very dimensional. character, right? It's, it's an attempt. Yeah. And essentially, and I mean like what, Hattie McDaniel, right, became the first like African American to win an Academy Award from the movie. So like, there's like that, you know, like, I don't know. Anyways. Yeah. And I mean, again, this is not, what I'm saying is not at all focused at, like, we need books and stories, whether they are right or wrong. And they aren't always, they aren't going to be right or. wrong in a lot of ways, right? They're

books. So I don't know. We still need stories. Like Gone with the Wind is a worthwhile story to have read. Even if you're only reading it once. Yeah. Honestly, Dr. Finn said it all better than I did. So of like, it's like this

but compelling, but also what the fuck, essentially. Yeah. She has a way with words to be fair. Also, Warren also followed up on some of my thoughts on Eldonring, which I cover in that minisode. Spoilers for, I guess, that lore.

And I actually might not discuss some of the lore aspects in here, because some of this stuff is spoilery. And, yeah, maybe you all will play it one day. Warren should play it. I'd be very interested to see if he gets as far as I get. Yeah, and would you remind us? Oh, all everyone at home? Well, I'll tell what the folks at home are going to win,

Eliana. Here's what you're going to win. Chloe. has not gotten out of the tutorial. This is just like Tomb Raider all over again. Life is terrible. Inside of you, there are two wolves. One of them plays the K-3,

Asong of Bison Fire slash Game of Thrones mods. And the other one just wants to kill things. It is kind of incredible. Those are the two genders on the podcast that are represented. Yes. Warren also commented on how he loves that George's otherworldly element is kind of reflecting in what you've talked about, right? He loves, he's re-reading Celtic stories, the Celtic stories compendium by Lady Gregory of Gods and Fighting Men, which is Warren's favorite joint series of stories.

I think he recommends that, and I think Eldon Ring sounds similar to him in some aspects. Yeah, well, thank you. Thank you for writing it. for your support for this. Thank you all of you for writing it. Please. Yeah, all of you. Feel free to send us emails. There's tweets. There's definitely more. There's definitely more that we got as well. Like I know some people and I'm pretty sure you've already like responded, followed up and was like, wait, what series is Chloe reading? And please remind us of that as well, Chloe. What is the series that you've been? By Robin Cobb. And I will say my friends are already on their way to finish the outer series next

so I really need to catch up yes well so yeah that's that's kind of what we've been up to also playing Hades too now that it's finally out on not just the computer yes I can play it on places that are not

just Chloe's laptop hey that's fair that's what we've been doing but what else have we missed what else have my god here's what you missed between Danny 3, I know, it was something, between Danny 2 and Danny 3 in Edwada, starting with Reek 1. In the dread fort, we learn of Theon's fate.

Bran 2. Escaping the whites. Bran and team go deeper and deeper into the cave. Tyrion 4. After meeting Team Young Gryft, Tyrion sees a giant turtle. He says it could be the blessing, or he hears, it could. It could be the blessing the birth of a king, or perhaps a queen. Hmm. There's a giant turtle pope in the Eldon Ring.

Davos, too. In White Harbor, Davos expects to have a jolly time treating with the manderlies. Oh, that brings us to Danny, where Zaro Zohendaxos reunites with his good friend Denaries before later declaring war against her. man frenemies you know girlhood's like fucking hard seriously it seriously is hard we open this chapter with

the dancers shimmered their sleek shaved bodies covered with a fine sheen of oil blazing torches whirled from hand to hand to the beat of drums and the trilling of a flute whenever two torches crossed in the air a naked girl leapt between them spinning. The torchlight shone off

oiled limbs and breasts and buttocks. Hmm. Interesting. Sexy. Uh, so we have here that Marines trade, right? It may have collapsed after Danny ended slavery. Oh.

Ended slavery, which we've been discussing the past few. The past few chapters. But our good friend, Zaro, is back, right? What a guy. Surprise. He's here in this chapter. and also has the power to restore that trade.

That is if Danny is going to bend to his wishes. Ah, it is like very much highlighted, how fucked up it is. He clearly has, he clearly has the power and the wealth to help fix this, or to create trade, right? To bring food to marine, to bring something that could maybe up the morale. The morale is pretty bad in the city right now. I don't know if you knew this. All she has to do, though, is reshackle and throw away the keys, right?

Like, here is the answer. Yeah, it's pretty weird, because I'm also just, like, I guess I understand why he thinks this way, but I'm also just like, but really, like, why? Like, you don't really need the trade of, like, what Marine and the rest of, like, Slavers Bay did. Like, you could definitely just go on living and doing a different thing. than, like, whatever you were doing. But he, like, really strongly believes, I guess, in the way the status quo, as we're going to see him try and put forth later on.

Yeah, that's true. While the dancers perform, which Danny is surprised, you know, she's seen public fucking before, but this is the first time it's been put to music. And I'm like, well, Denarius, let me tell you about one day when we have video available, put that to music anytime. She thinks of Dario, who should be returning with allies and resources to help her city soon.

She is filled with lust, but dismisses her feelings for his sexy bud and tries to get the focus back on ruling. Do you think his happy trail has died too? I don't know. I think people have actually put forth the question before of like, do we think that the curtains match... That he's dyed the curtains to match the drapes?

No, no, no, do the, does the carpet match the drapes? And I don't know. I assume no, because I just think that would be really dangerous to just like, granted, maybe they're using much more natural dyes and chemicals, right? I don't know. But I just feel like it'd be a really bad idea to try and, you know. Yeah, yeah. He probably shaves his happy trail, actually. Let me recant all that. I think he shaves his happy trail at the very least. That's fair. Nah, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like he'd be a guy that's, like, happy to have it. Like, Dario probably. as a bush is my hope. I just, yeah. I mean, is it safe? Like, is it safe to die? I don't know. There's just, well, it's maybe safer for a penis. Yeah. Add that to the list of questions we have for George. George, do people bleach? Maybe that actually already was on there, but I want to know. It's probably in our Dario episode, honestly. Oh my God. Honestly, I think that after the Winds of Winter is out, George should come on the podcast to answer all these questions that have nothing

to do with the plot that we have. Apparently one of the questions that we asked that Thunder Clap reminded us of we wanted to know if the Tyrochi snails glow in the dark. It's an important question. And also, I would say, kind of tied to this one. Yeah, it was probably asked in the same breath

of literally what I'm asking, knowing me. So I think, like, these are important. It just bugs me. As like an ex-cosmetologist, it just bugs me. I'm like, it's just not how it works. Inquiring minds must know. So after the performance, Danny thanks the dancers and orders refreshments be brought out for them. Erie refills her cup of wine.

She is sipping on some wine that Zaro brought, and it's very superior, right? She calls out, she's like, wow, this is some good wine. This, our wine sucks. It's really true, that's true, she thinks. She's like, oh, this wine rocks. It's full of spices, way better than what they have. Zaro peruses the fruit tray, choosing something tart. He says,

Tart Woman and Tart Fruit give life its savor, nodding at Danny. He then praises Danny's rise to power, comparing her to a lost child who is now in command, which like, yeah, true. She just called her a tart, which is not very nice of him to have said. But also, it is almost spiced wine season. Do you want to throw that out there for the world? And also, Zaro loves sour gummies confirmed. That's what I took from this.

I really respect that. Same. No, I love, I'm excited for the day after Halloween. All the sour gummies are going to go on sale. I'm going to like load up on all the Halloween candy. Anyways. Wait, what's your favorite? Of like the sour. Yeah. Okay. I do, this is going to sound so dumb. I love the sour spaghetti. The sour spaghetti's. They're like thinner sour punch straws, which I also love sour punch straws. I also love similar to that, but like, the like rips like sour rips like because it covers the whole tongue to get a lot of surface area there with the flavor crystals similarly the airhead's extremes oh yeah yeah yeah yeah all these are kind of similar but i do love of course the original not it's not the original but i do love the the sour bright crawlers they've got a good they got a good texture to them but also aren't those the ones like you can chew them and they got a little stuff in them or like they're

like little round guys little eggs they probably have versions like that too oh there there are that also of, like, the sour extremes, like, little bite-sized ones that have, like, a little filling thing, too. Lemonheads, right? You remember the Lemonhead sour. Like, uh, yeah, I love those. Candies. They have a, they have a sour straw version of those out, too, now. They're kind of fun, but they're, like, a little pricey, and therefore I'm like, I don't need all that. I can get my fix elsewhere. So, I respect that. I have many thoughts, clearly about sour gummies. Um, sometimes you can just, like, also get great deals of, like, I don't know, things like Marshall. or whatever or T.J. Max. They'll have like sales on things like that too. I really wish I was better about

going out and getting that great Halloween discount. I don't always do it, but we did it one year and my partner was like, because he thought I didn't really like sweets, which I don't love it as much as he does. I'm usually more savory, but I've changed over the years. But he was like, I learned something new about you that day when he saw me round the corner. And I had like three big bags of just like a bunch of different Halloween sour gummy candy variety packs and he was like, oh, I didn't know

this about it. He was like, they're on sale. Wow. De Neri's acknowledges Zaro's help but keeps him at arm's length. She needs his ships and trade but does not trust him. Yeah. Fun underworld vibes with the fruit, by the way. Gotta always shout out

the underworld. Shout out Underworld. It's 80s too. Yeah. Love it. Shout out Celine. Shout out all the characters actually in Hades, too. Shout out your sexy teacher.

Shout out. Oh, true, yeah. Yeah. Someone's like, aren't you gonna romance? I was like, that's my teacher. What is this like Malcolm Polstead shit? So, again, doing a lot of dangling, right? Here he is.

He's like, oh, you need my ships, huh? He's trying to really, trying to really figure out what's going to make her tick or tick her off enough to get out of here. There's this really interesting passage that stuck out to me this time and

back and forth, do you know how unsullied are made and trained? Cruely, I have no doubt. When a Smith makes a sword, he thrusts the blade into the fire, beats on it with a hammer, then plunges it into iced water to temper the steel. If you would savor

the sweet taste of fruit, you must water the tree. This tree has been watered with blood. How else to grow a soldier? I love the idea. A, gonna steal some Eliana idea here. Watering a tree with blood to grow a soldier? There's something about growing a soldier out of killing it, right? Which like A, broken man. B, long night. Like, I feel like, you know, you're sprouting soldiers out of the ground. You're growing a soldier. I was thinking watering the weirwoods and the sacrificing of the weird like in front of them like bran When he's like, no, don't do that

Yeah There's also something else that stands out And there is the blade, right? Like talking about the blade being a part of the process here And I was like, Nisa Nisa, Nisa language It's very that Yeah Of course, and the tree being watered with blood, right?

Like, bear your breast That's the thing, like it's so interesting that, like, they've intertwined the two ideas, right? This very, like, Azora High idea with, um, as you, this, like, old God's idea, like, that it's

put together in this. Yeah. What does it mean? Like, literally, what does it mean? I'm asking. What does it mean, George? Who has the chance to do the craziest thing right now? Oh my God. Drop it, George. Drop it. Uh, there's also a

whole doctor who, actually there are like two doctors. There are, like, 80 Doctor Who plots that relate to this. And you haven't gotten to any of them in your two episodes of watching, unfortunately. So... All I have is moisturized me. That's all I have. You said that to me the other day, and I respected it, but also I wasn't going to respond because I was like, fuck you, Eliana.

It is an important one, though. Good job. The plot that makes the two specific ones I'm thinking of thematically are, like, Amy and Rory in season six, Amy Pond has, like, her own... soldier arc where you know she has something very important ripped away from her that she loved very much a couple of things handful of things and she kind of becomes a soldier but also the theme is that the doctor himself makes soldiers whether he intends it or not he's like no they're my companions they're not soldiers and they're like everyone he meets is like they're soldiers dude

you've turned them into soldiers that battle your wars for you uh and then there's also something in season seven in the Dalek episode in season seven with Clara and Amy Rory Doctor. And there's this quote that's like, how do you create a Dalek? You subtract love, add anger. And I think about that a lot in a song of ice and fire, especially with like the broken man theme and all these different warriors of you subtract love, you add anger. And that's how you, you know, create like these evil shellless robots, the Daleks. and not saying that the unsolied are that

and not saying the broken men are that but that's how you break someone right you you add anger take out the love yeah and I do think like I wouldn't be surprised that that's part of what inspires George as well because like I mean Doctor Who's like a pretty big franchise that he's likely encountered and watched a non-zero amount of times unlike me

well and a lot of these themes do wow a lot of these themes do like I mean it's one of the oldest shows still on air of all time, right? It was 1963. It premiered in November of 1963. Not that I'm telling you that because I know it by heart. But so, I do. So, you know, that time period, you're coming up on a lot of anti-war, peace and love. I mean, those are the themes of that generation, right, that have carried through in this show and carried through to a lot of the media we love and a lot of the books and stories that we love as well. Exactly. Okay.

I had a question, though, from all of this in terms of, like, growing and, like, the fruit and the tree and stuff. This is a tinfoil question, but I've never wondered it until now. Do weirwoods make a fruit? Like, do they make, like, a fruit or an acorn or, like, some sort of thing like that? I just don't understand, like... No, I don't think it does. Really? What if it does?

I don't know. I'm not... It's not the kind of tree, I guess, like, in real life. The kind that it looks like wouldn't, but I don't know. What if it did? That's all. I think it could be crazy. This whole exchange, though, it does make me wonder what De Nerees is going to do in the long-term regarding Marines economy.

Zaro is trying to gift her ships and is like, you need these to leave, right? And she's like, well, initially she says, I do need ships so true in order to do this import-export thing. And I'm just like, when the ships eventually arrive, as we know that that. they will, right? When more of them arrive with the Iron Fleet, Denaries, I think, will decide or realize or feel she doesn't have enough ships to both leave some of them for trade for Marine and then also enough to bring over her entire military, considering it's not only going to grow from the amount that she has now, but it's going to have, like, all of the Colossars, probably, right?

Like, whoever else decides they're going to join her too. So, like, is she going to have to be like, well, I don't know, fuck you, Marine. I'm taking all the ships. Is she going to, like, leave some and leave some of her troops? I don't know, questions, along with fruits. Right, like, bad show, right? Did the Dario staying behind letting him go? I could see that be part of it somehow.

I think he, I mean, yeah, unless he does. It's fucked up. As, like, a hostage or, I don't know. But, yeah, like, not. Yeah, she left Darya there. and I, we never followed up, like... Like, what's up with that guy? I don't think that man was qualified for that position, first of all.

I could tell you a couple other men that also weren't. That's so true. Qualified for their position. I feel like he would be like, Denneres, why did you fucking claim me here with this? No, really. In the books, at least. He'd be like, no, fuck this. Goodbye. Zaro also warns her of the sons of the harpy who have been targeting her, but DeNeres feel secure

having the brazen beast guarding the city and I do like this line as she ponderes like I don't know there's this whole moment where she's like what can Marine actually trade since slave labor had essentially been the export from the bay because copper is no longer in demand and other natural

resources have been depleted so we have this like slight memory where she goes like it was these calamities that transformed my people into slavers galaza galare had told her at the Temple of the Graces and deniers like things and I am the calamities that will change these slavers back into people.

Danny had sworn to herself. Ooh. A, sick line, right? I mean, sick line, Danny. Good job. You think some really sharp shit. But B, this entire conversation that she has with Zorro is, especially like with this,

you start to kind of see that the infrastructure was so weak, right? So she's stuck in a really bad place because the entire kind of, economy's upended. They can't live and make money the way that they used to live and make money. They all need to change and they all need to do it now, like yesterday, in order to have a peaceful living, right? Like, in order to live peacefully. And it makes it such an interesting, an interesting context for the whole conversation. She's describing the entire ecosystem of slavery and how Danny won't stand for it. And then Zaros is like, well, it's funny because everything you're saying is directly born from or prompted by or resulted from slavery.

Like, these are all the things of how we made the system work before, and you're experiencing, you know, the prompt results from taking them away, which obviously there are other ways to build this. However, he's telling her, no, it's an Oroboros, an ugly waltz, it's a dragon eating its tail. Like, it goes round and round and round this system. Now you see why we did it this way. Now you see why we did it this way. I also love in this conversation,

he asks her what her one fear is when she's like, I lived 14 years in fear and this doesn't scare me. She tells him, well, I'm not a fucking idiot, so I'm not going to tell you what I'm afraid of, dumb bitch. But we the reader know it's something he would never guess, right? Her fear, I mean, it's herself. It's herself. It's the dragons.

It's the power within her, the power within them. Outside and within, right? Her fear is something he'd never guess. It's the biggest faint of the chapter. She has to play it cool regarding her dragons. When actually inside, girls having a mentee be. She's having a full-on breakdown. She's torn the fuck up of locking herself and her dragons.

The only power, the only thing that she feels gives her independence and power over anything, she has to lock up, both physically and mentally. That's a good point. like he could absolutely turn that against me like wow you fear yourself maybe you shouldn't be doing all this um yeah which she should be and yeah that's a good point her fear is herself uh as we saw at the end of last chapter which again one of the best ending lines of a danny chapter but you know you're talking about this whole ecosystem and i'm not like trying to fucking gotcha journalism this and i actually don't think like george is thinking this either based on the fact

that he didn't really like i said last time i don't think he did a good job of his like Vietnam were inspiration for this. But there is an aspect in which this whole system of slavery that has run rampant across Esos, yes, the Giscari practiced it before the Valerian freehold,

but it gained such popularity because of the Valerians. Right. And I'm not trying to like, gotcha, like, Danny, like, Danny, you should really know. I mean, I don't think George even, like, is thinking about it like that. But...

I mean, in some ways, I think that's also a big reason why she probably would feel a little drawn to it, right? Of, like, trying to fix everything, considering it all goes back and back. She might mostly, or especially when she encounters the free cities, not as much here. Because then she has to wrestle with, like, wow, that's the legacy then of my people, right? Because she's been able to other the Giscari thus far. But not, what are you going to do when they all look like you, Danny, over the last? the free cities. And I do think it's interesting like that this line is,

the calamities transformed my people into slavers. And Danny's thinking about how, like, the calamity, she will change the slavers back into people. Because we've been talking a lot about how the dignity of the former slaves, right, and them being perceived as people again. But there's an aspect of it in which to become a slaver, she's thinking that you have to give up some of your own humanity to be the kind of person who would own. and sell and use another person like that. And I think that that's also, to an extent, made very literal in the others. You know, what did they give up?

What of their humanity did they give up to become the others and to very much have a tighter hold in enslaving all of these people? There's something also about like the argument clearly is wrong. Like the argument of, oh, this is why we do it. And now you're seeing what happens when you undo it. because they didn't do any, they could, yeah, they had other options and they didn't create, I mean, they didn't understand how to create that world, right, or change it when this system is been in place, but also by continuing the system, it's been bandaging the spout of water

that's coming out, right? Like, it's just a bandage. You're just placing one bandage over another until one day they all rip off and fall off and the wound is just like desiccated beneath. Yeah, and I'm not going to be like, I think there was a time when it, would have said something, like, then that society doesn't deserve to exist. And I think like a society, like, in system like that doesn't deserve to exist. And maybe I'm like getting caught in the semantics of it. But I wouldn't be able to like just be like, but those people, I don't think I could say like those people don't deserve to exist, you know, and they're not people, right? These are characters. But you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So you're saying,

I think it's interesting to change. Well, we're going to come back to this. We're going to come back to this. This is like the system of slavery, like a whole system built on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like people should live. Humans should live. But. So Danny tells him, she's been told she should hold Marine until she controls the hinterlands, the valuable lands out west of Lazar and south of the Yunkish hills. But Zaro says, oh, I don't care about all those lands. Interesting. I'm sorry Yeah, he

I guess Zara must have like really good friends amongst the Miranese because I'm like, why do you give a fuck about all this shit? Wow, it's coming. It doesn't matter. I mean, yeah. But also, you can tell I'm hungry because when you said Lazar,

I thought you were going to say lasagna. You're thinking lasagna? Oh, okay Garfield. I don't know how I got there. What's funny is I'm thinking of Lizarro's pizza that's near me. There's a pizza place called, all the Zarros. Yeah, yeah, that's right. We've had that. Yeah, I want that. I want pizza so bad right now. Interesting. I often want pizza. Um, anyways, oh god, this is actually like, my note here is somewhat

actually related because I have here, La Malle, though, regarding Zaro saying that the world would lose its savor without Danny if she dies. I'm like, oh, savor, flavor. We're talking about lasagna. And honestly, like, real, denarius does add spice. Absolutely. All the spice you need. Different chapter, but. I mean, she's got fiery stuff. She got spicy, spicy stuff going on.

Yeah. So Azaro continues hinting at his desire to protect her. He's like, you got to trust me. And she's like, oh, I don't know about that. She deflects and she's like, I don't know about that. I just don't. I don't know about all that. But I have Barriston.

Barriston's going to protect me, bro. I don't need you. And he's like, well, what happened to the younger one, Jora? And she's like, well... The younger more beautiful queen Jora. I'm like, first of all, of course you would like him. He's a slaver.

Second of all... True. And second of all, don't talk about that bitch. And third of all, like, you're trying to call bears an old? You're trying to throw hands right now? Is that what's happening? Danny doesn't wish to speak about him, though. And we have a line that says,

a Craven's knife can slay a queen as easily as a hero's and I love that because she's surrounded by daggers right now in the dark just like John. Yeah. So it's clear that throughout all of this he's threatening her. This visit is a threat. This entire visit is a whole threat of him seeing will you a quest to my demands because everybody's pretty upset. And even here he's like, where are your giant dragons little girl where are your protectors little girl oh you're such a little girl it's so interesting and no one's here to protect you how interesting right it's like very it's a very strange exchange strange exchange and as you said um he's like yeah everyone's upset he's just like everyone's so mad right now danny um and i feels as though right like isn't he testing how

easy to be, it would be to assassinate her. It feels, as you said, with like the daggers in the dark for John, it feels kind of like how he keeps moving the other people that actually care about him away and becoming more isolated. But I think like De Neri's kind of already, she's aware of that. There's been a lot of assassination attempts on her life, unlike with John. So she's like got a little more awareness about what that would be like. Yeah, I definitely see the isolation creeping in on her here. Later, you hear him speak of the Dothraki very negatively, and he's like, oh, they smell like horse. I can't have them camped outside the city. And Danny actually says, a horse has an honest smell. That's more than can be said of some great lords and merchant princes. But also,

we know what is Danny thinking about? She's thinking about the perfumed seneschel, right? Repeating in her head. Of course, she would say something like this. But yes, he is trying to, like, disconnect her from her calisar, right? He's like, oh, you don't have your calisar around, and I don't want them near you because they're gross. I don't like them, so don't bring them around, okay? Keeping her weaker. And of course, I have to relate to the next chapter after this,

which is John 4, where it opens with, careful of the rats, my lord, Dolores Ed led John down the steps, a lantern in one hand. They make an awful squeal if you step on them. Danny is dealing with a rat right now. Ew, I don't know. That makes me sad. I know.

I was, last night on the BSL, I was, like, watching rats. It was so cute. I was like, there were too scurrying around. I was like, you guys are so peaceful. How sweet. I hope you're having a good life down here. Yeah.

Don't get hit. They're not good for us, I guess. No, they're not, but, you know, they got to live too, rats. Yeah. That's what I mean. That's gray, you know? That's truly gray morality. That's morality.

That's morality. regarding the is he going to assassinate her, etc. What's interesting is I don't necessarily think he's testing how easy it would be to assassinate her solely because I think he's telling her how easy it would be to assassinate her. Yeah, true.

And he's not necessarily wrong. But I do think there's some showboating going on. He's showing her what's to come, right? Like this is all his foreshadowing attempt. He's like, everyone is gathering swords against you right now. outside. And, yeah, he's like, checkmate, bitch.

If you move left, they move right. Take Yongkai, lose Marine. She can't win the way she's playing right now. And she can't win the way she was playing before. I don't actually know if she can win the way she'll play in the next chapter either or in the chapter after that. In fact, starting to think that Fire and Blood is the only answer here. There really isn't an answer that works.

But also, to a certain degree, I also think he's realized, throughout the chapter, her dragons are growing and growing. And I think everyone is realizing they're going to continue growing and becoming a major threat. He says at one point, I love this line where he says that she and her dragons are going to be a flaming sword against the sky. Hmm, a flaming sword against the sky. Obviously, he's relating it to like, you know, you guys are going to be in the sky and fuck people's lives up, bro. But also, real Azora high imagery going on there. And then he also has the

line, your cities are across the sea. Your seven kingdoms where your enemies await you. You were born to serve them, blood and fire. Almost as if he's telling her, go while you can, get out, go while you can and go fuck them up, not us. Go while you can, but also, please, he's also like, please go please go begging you to go you're fucking my life up right now when he's like i would hate to go to war with you dear denaris he's like no i would hate to get crisped the fuck up by your dragons yeah i think he kind of wanted to assess like yeah the threat to him and like his troops as well that's a good point but also as you said there's a very azora high imagery there also makes me feel a little like coming back to the whole like biblical stuff it reminds me of like following the tongue of fire in the

sky when they were leaving Egypt when Moses was leading people out of Egypt and you know Daeneres is kind of that's a big part of her storyline too as well that line though of um a Craven's knife can slay a queen as easily as a hero's I don't know that it's necessarily foreshadowing for Denarius's story like that line specifically maybe it is maybe it's not but it does make me think of Samuel Tarley being a Craven slaying an other so that's all Could be Aria. Could be Aria with a dagger. No, J.K.

Ari is A, not Craven. B. I, like, don't think she's going to kill the night king or whatever. Well, and to be fair, the people that have, like, tried to assassinate Danielle already, they weren't royal. They were all Craven. They were all just dudes. I thought you were going to say they were very, that was very brave of them to try and therefore not Craven. I was like, interesting.

So next, Zaro. brings up love and he teases Danny about marriage and he's like, oh, you could always get with me, marry me. She's like, no, I could not. And then she was like, don't you remember that time I was chased out of Carth? Oh,

what was so funny? Do you remember that? Huh. Honestly, this exchange between her and Zorro is in some ways like kind of funny. It's very sassy. Like you can see that, yeah, she's in a position where she very much needs his trade here, but she's not power

in this position like she was before when she was a guest and beggar at his house. And she speaks very openly with him, right? She's, she's candid now about the fact she's like, dude, like, I know you don't love me. I know that you prefer men. I know that you are not interested in me in that way at all. And also, she's just so annoyed at him, she, like, throws food at him. She throws a cherry at him at one point, and she throws an avocado or like a dried apricot.

I'm like, that's so sassy. They truly are frenemies in this moment. and I do like, you know, respect to Zaro for having the stones be like, yeah, okay, yeah, I was watching like the male dancers, but like, so are you. And he tries to go, like, see, see, we have the same taste. We're like the same. We should get married because of that. And I'm like, wow, that was really, that was really a play that you made. Yeah. It is kind of funny that she's much older and smarter now, way wiser. Yeah, pretty much.

And, yeah, able to say these things. I was just like, oh my God. I can't believe Zorro tried that. Their conversation shifts to slavery, and Zorro argues, slaves are necessary for society to function, and Danny strongly disagrees, having seen and lived firsthand the horrors

of slavery. Zorro makes a point of, he's like, well, I mean, the most successful societies rely on slaves, but Danny is unmoved. Yeah. absolutely and there's this great comment Zaro and Danny go back and forth here and he's like she's like maybe

the people don't want war and all this shit and slavery like maybe these people want to learn new trades and do arts and have a glorious life full of purpose and he's like yeah and maybe your elephants want to be nightingales bitch but they're not gonna be is kind of what he implies He says it much more, you know, poetically, but a very fun back and forth, a back and forth arguing and kind of teasing lightly, which is what makes the end so abrupt later, right?

When it's like, oh, by the way, war, bitch. Frennavies. Yeah. There's also this line I love from her. Slavery is not the same as rain, she insisted. I have been rained on and I have been sold. It is not the same. No man wants to be owned.

Yep. I love that De Nere's argues against this, right? And also that, like, you've called it out because, you know, there have been people who have made the argument of, like, yeah, but what if slavery was necessary for the advancement of, like, society and these things? I'm like, no. I don't think it was. Like, as she says, like, what if they wanted to pursue other things? Would a person not be better to some extent of the things that they are passionate about and want to pursue as opposed to being, like, told you are this and they're. Therefore, you must do it this way, right?

Like, who gets to decide if someone is an elephant or a nightingale or whatever? Also, people are not animals unless we're watching Zootopia, which also addresses, like, maybe we shouldn't, like, pigeonhole people. Ooh, not to use the term pigeonhole, ha, ha, people like that. But anyways, this is how I ended up talking to myself for 40 minutes. You're doing great. Well, well played. I'm just like, wow, that was so amazing of me to say. um to make the argument that like maybe slavery was like necessary for some of it i'm like it's such

an easy thing to say in like an easy sacrifice to make when you're the person that would not have historically been in that position right to be like and to know that you probably wouldn't have been in that position and to not have that like in your history and and I just don't love it to put it lightly because I'm again like think of what could have been accomplished if we'd like let people pursue what they wanted what innovation also like

I'm gonna go on a little like soapbox about abortion too and people are always like oh what if you are aborting the next Einstein or whatever I'm like okay but what about all the people have been born who never got to live up to that potential either because of these systems anyway stepping off the soapbox no but yeah but still kind of a different one on a different one

stepping to the next soapbox there's a lot of different kinds of soap okay in the world we can discuss what kind of I love the Irish Spring scent but currently we are using dove because it was on sale at Costco while

it's not death exactly right like slavery it is still in line with the question that's been put forth in this book of being like I mean yeah maybe like we did need to make sacrifices and it's like okay great but you're not choosing to sacrifice yourself. You're sacrificing someone else's life, right? And who are you

who gets to decide who is sacrificed and who isn't? What gives one person that, right, he's all like, oh, you know, it's like rain. Some people should get to contemplate the stars while others labor. Who gets to make that choice? You can't just take that from people. And who died and made you God. Right. Actually. And it's like, oh, God. All these other people that I killed, I guess. I don't know. And it's also an interesting line of discussion in regards to, like, the quote that you called out earlier about the forging and the Azora high-ish nisa-nisa imagery, the process by which they make slaves, because, like, it kind of builds on the picture of what you've been saying as well, like, Chloe, in the past few chapters about legacy and denieries. Yeah, you. The legacy, right, behind her family and how it's, like, trapped her, because, you know, going off it, like, she is to an extent, right? kind of a slave then to prophecy and the fates? Like was she a weapon

that was hammered out by fate for the long night and therefore not free to pursue the peace she needs to like thrive and you know what makes her a very compelling character. What makes most characters compelling is when there is a misalignment

between what they want and what they need and what she wants Westrose and the Iron Throne right? They're not the same as what she needs in terms of, like, love, security, people, whatever. Consistency. Yeah, it turns out being a queen doesn't offer you security when everyone's like, but you'd be assassinated at any time, right?

And speaking of, like, what if an elephant isn't meant to be a nightingale? Like, what if you don't have to be a dragon? What if you don't have to be that? What if you could be whatever you chose and whatever you wrote? Wow. So you're saying she should be... Jamie Lannister. There would be no men like her, only her.

That would be so crazy. Stop, I'm going to cry. Sorry. What's wrong with you? I don't know. I'm just like now thinking of like, whoa, what if she were like, what if they were friends? If they just like throw fruit at each other, that'd be crazy. Oh my God.

Well, and coming back to reality and what you just said, I do think that desiring the throne, desiring Westrose are the misplaced ways that she hopes to fulfill the childhood and home and family she didn't get to have right she's like this oh my god there was once a anyways we don't have time no no I do I don't oh you do I don't oh you do I don't oh yeah I know Anastasia bitch until I find you heart don't veil me now Courage don't. She is a lost princess. Yeah, I do love Anastasia. Actually, a saccaughts play that has always been on my list. Like, the real deal dress. Yeah. I can see it.

I've never done it. Oh my God, I could be your Bartok. I love you. You just, you tickled me, man. You really do. Wait, no, Bartok is Resputens. I guess I'd be the weird little dog, and that's not as fun. I mean, you kind of are either, I guess, yeah. I feel like Bartok and the end wanted to be good, you know. He was a slave. to the cyclical nature of Raspian. Anyways, with that said, these things, right?

Like, the Iron Throne is coded in her ancestor's blood, first of all. I think of Bran seeing visions in the Weirwood. What do you think will happen when Danny touches the throne? I don't know if she'll see visions necessarily, but just like the feeling. Oh, that would be interesting. You know, I mean, the feeling, there's centuries of kings and queens blood on this throne that she's related to, blood that is called. to her blood that's like blood, right?

Blood calls blood. And finally, like, taking that thrown back, she feels almost like she'll have fulfilled that duty to her family, and she'll be somewhat closer to them. Legacy. And that's not what she needs. She needs therapy. She needs a break.

She needs a break. Yeah. Yeah. I think she could be, like, happy being a cowgirl, you know, or, like, raising horses. That to feed her dragons, yeah No I'm just kidding

That was a joke No, I forgot She's still gonna have the dragons Even if she left I forgot She could make She could do like Cirque de Soleil

But with dragons Wow, okay And They'd just have fun And be silly I don't know Yeah It's kind of hard

Once you've been given dragons It really does kind of enslave you to a whole thing In a way And exactly your identity You can never change your identity of who you are. They're like, oh shit, you can't hide it. And I do think, you know, I look at some of the Targaryans like Helena, for example, of history, who never really rode her dragon into war, right?

Though she did love to ride it. When you use the dragons for war, look at the dance of the dragons, for example, where they were used as war machines instead of used as loving pets. The dragons were necessities of war for the Targaryians in a lot. The dragon's nature is war because of what it was made, what it was forged into. Danny herself has been forged into a weapon for war. Yeah. And they keep growing bigger and like that because I'm kind of like, what if she started like a barbecue business?

Okay. I'm coming up with alternate lifestyles for her. Anyway, Zorro suggests a practical trade of olives and thenaries is like, great idea. but the olive trees were all burned by the slavers just plant more anyways he presses on warning that danny's efforts to rebuild marine might fail just like with asapur rude

he reveals that young kai is assembling a larger army to fight her while danny counters she has sell swords and dragons he points out like where are the dragons and questions her strength because he says when I last saw you he's like they never left your side and she's all, she stays strong. She's like, I'm sorry, my dragons grew, but my shoulders didn't, all right?

And she is kind of wondering, where did this knowledge come from? Yeah, something that's really sticking out here to me is that, like, his intel is from the other slavers, right? He is talking to the other slavers and nobles, and he used to do a lot of trade here. He knows a lot. He knows a lot about her infrastructure. all of the slavers talk to each other kind of think he actually knew about the olives

and he asked to get insult to injury, right? Hey, do you have olives you can trade me? Oh, how would he know? Oh, because he usually trades olives but he knows that all of the slavers burn down the trees. Olive the slavers. No, you have to leave.

You literally, it's over. This podcast just ended. Oh, my God. Zorro knows. He's like, this is the third. threat. We're in your walls, bitch. We are killing your people. When you go to bed at night,

we murder your unsullied. We murder your soldiers in the streets under your nose. Like, not to be a conspiracist, but like, bro, he's in on it too, because it's his economic trade. It's not even that much of a conspiracy, because he kind of just says it aloud.

Yeah, that too. Especially later. It's not crazy. It's very real. The threat is very real. And finally, he brings his biggest offer yet. 13 galleys, a gift to help her return home to Westeros. Specifically. Get the fuck out.

Oh, this is like mandorly giving the horses and being like guest rights over, bitches. Yeah. Yeah. I see. Yeah. Except like also you're a guest right now, bitch, so get out. She inspects the ships. She finds them mostly sound.

with some needed repairs. He offers no price. He's lost interest in dragons after seeing their power in Astipore, he says. Interesting note. Sure. He urges her to swear

to return home quickly to leave this place. Danny's weary. She's like, this is a trap, clearly. She says she'll consider the offer, but she doesn't commit. He also gives her this tapestry, and we learned that

it's been in his family vault since before the doom took Valeria. That feels significant, right? More motive here to, A, dislike the Targaryans who left everybody behind when everything blew the fuck up. And also, like, sorry about that molten rock, good luck. And then also reminds me a lot of Calderogo's house

and Illyrio's Mance with all of the Valerian trophies and how Danny was another Valerian trophy, right? so you can kind of see how he views her I also love that like this it's a huge sick map of the world and he's like look here's Marine here's Slavers Bay and then he goes oh and Westros is over there or whatever fuck Westrose

it's all the way over there that's how people talk about America I respect that yeah he's like I don't know that's like some weird backwards place and I'm not trying to go there but you should you should to do it for you that's basically what he says Get the fuck off my rocks I think you'd really like it

yeah he's all like we're all over here and you're there. You're not in this picture. He hints at danger. He mourns her of her enemies, like the warlocks in Carth, and she brushes off his threat, knowing how Drogon powered through those warlocks.

She knows that Westrose is calling her, but she can't abandon Marine. When she holds court later, Lord Gale begs her to send her forces to help Asapore, and Danny reminds him of his king's foolishness, and then he spits on her. So she dismisses him, and stops Belwoss from like further injuring him because he cracked the tooth because he's like, whoa, don't spit on her.

I mean, it was probably an extreme reaction, but also she's like, no one's ever died from spit. Yeah, no, Belawas like stomped his head on marble ground and cracked his teeth. Not just a tooth, Eliana, his teeth. It was pretty honest. I was like, oh, I don't think we should harm the messengers. It was a bit brutal. Strong Balwas. And to be fair, like, she told him, like, that's enough.

Yeah. But I'm like, Belwaz, why? Don't do that. And yes, Cleon has been foolish and stupid and bad in doing the opposite idea, right, in trying to do reverse slavery. But Gail is like one man, Cleon is one man, and the people of Astipor are many. The situation that they're currently too deep in, making bad choices in, was left in her wake. and I get that we're, you know, that's not, that did happen, and now she's in Marine. And it's valiant that she stops Bell-Loss from beating the shit out of this guy further.

But as she says, it's just a little spit. And also, spitting, yes, it's a big, a very big form of disrespect. I get that. But also is like dying and being murdered to death. That's a big disrespect. And the people in Astipur are dying. right? Some of them bad, some of them good, all of them people. Yes, spitting is maybe all in that moment he can do because he's shown up every week, every week at court he's here begging

for a solution to Astopor. And I'm not saying that Danny needed to follow their solution. However, maybe she should have discussed and negotiated. Is there something in Astopor that she wants that could help Marine? Is there something that by helping Astipore, they could make some sort of negotiation or deal? We don't know. That said, if she leaves Marine to go help Astipur, it's over because Yankaya is going to like turn around

and take Marine again and fuck her up. And other free cities might join in and come fuck her up. No one's happy with her being there. So I'm like, you can't fucking win. I get that. But maybe, maybe in this moment, spitting in her face is the most, Cleon can do to express all of what's happening in Astipor and how Astopor is being left to its own devices.

I don't agree with maybe what Astopor is doing in the face of how they're doing it. But I don't know that I agree with the administration's read in this part of the chapter. And I don't definitely agree with the idea of we should take Cleon and curb stomp his ass in the marble. Maybe for Cleon, not for Gail. Yeah. I just am like, Gail's just a dude here. You know, Cleon, I mean, you might need to because he is like, I guess a head of state, he did all that stuff.

That was fucking crazy. But Gail, I'm like, wow, I know that man doesn't have dental insurance. Like, they don't have dentures. Like, come on. We didn't need to do all that. Yeah. And not to go against, you know, strong Velwas' wishes. but I am

in this moment that hurt me to say but I am standing up against strong Bellwast right now Jesus and like I don't know

as you're saying right like De Neri's you are kind of a little responsible for some of this she knows it too in a way like she

I know she does know it right I mean she destabilized it and didn't say to like revive of the place like she did here in Marine and like I think she would have had the best

chance to do so in Astapur to an extent because they didn't know her plan so she still had all the other resources available there they weren't like coming and like fucking cutting down their olive trees and stuff but I'm also like it would have been really cruel to order the Unsulli to defend

Astopor you know defend this place that tortured them and also like I don't believe that Cleon wouldn't try to keep them and resell them afterwards, right, once they were there. But also, like, as you said, she can't just, like, leave Marine to go do that and leave it undefended. I think this is very much, you were talking earlier about, like, some of this other stuff

and, like, pieces, and it's very much a George, George has a hobbyist as playing chess. He's a chess hobbyist, what? Yeah, it's checkmate. That's real. Yeah, that's canonical. This is kind of that, right? Like, what do you do? Like, you can't leave this undefended, but then what about that?

this and all of you are different pieces and ponds and whatever so that's kind of drawing from this and like in regards to what to do here about astapur and what the right thing to do is especially considering she destabilized this region and does bear some culpability but also how do you like revive the entire economy of a place i think that like also this book has been out for 14 years, and I do want to point out that's as old as Denaries was in book one or by the end after her birthday. Oh my God, I'm almost as old as her now. Oh, my God, almost. Maybe George mostly, I acknowledge mostly George's goal in this was to show us that actions have consequences that reverberate, like a tax policy will have, you know, consequences. I'm not trying to

hand wave it away, but I also am not trying to come up with like a political policy that's going to fix it all on like this fantasy podcast. Yeah. I didn't go to school for that shit. I did. I like literally didn't. And I know that like we made a lot of claims earlier about things and I have my soapboxes. But again, like I'm not, I don't know how to actually do policymaking. And I clearly neither does the naries and hot take. Neither does George. Neither does. Neither. Neither. does Gennaries. Neither, she doesn't, well, because George doesn't, right? George doesn't know.

Yeah. She can only know as much as George knows, and he doesn't know. And I don't think he thought that any of us were going to talk about this long. At this length, yeah. Like, literally, literally as long as how long you and I have discussed it just now, I don't think he anticipated that happening to his book series. Well, and I also think the bigger point of all of this to write with Cleon is Cleon did exactly what Zaros is trying to get her to do.

He restarted the cycle, right? He restarted the cyclical nature of slavery, even if it was quote unquote with bad guys' kids. Like, okay, but that doesn't bring justice and reparations for what they did by taking their kids. That's not how it works. What do you mean? I thought justice was just do the same thing.

But backwards, yeah. Yeah, JK, I know what justice looks like. I got to an episode about restorative justice and vice principles, and so now I know better. Yay, I love vice principles. Have you watched Vice Principles? Yeah, like four times. This is my first time going through it. Oh, my God.

This is my first time. Everyone for fucking righteous juxt episodes is in it. Yeah, it's a Danny McBride show. Yeah, I know. I think it's cute. Have you watched Eastbound? I've watched like a little bit, but that was over a decade ago. Okay, you got to rewatch.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. I'm out here laughing you. I'm going to be on like 80 new shows. I'm watching English teacher right now and I'm really enjoying it. I don't know if I'm doing that or not, but Abbott's back tomorrow, tonight, tonight. Okay, well, I think you would know if you were watching English teacher, so I'm going to say you aren't is what I took from that.

No, I'm not, I'm not watching. I've got a lot of other things. Okay, listen, listen, I'm new to watching things that aren't anime. Oh my God Also, my favorite thing in the world that you reminded me of here when you were talking about doing it backwards at them

is the episode, the always sunny episode when Mac is like, who versus? Who are we doing it versus? Who are we doing it against? Man, I was pretty bombed. I was like, what the fuck? I can't believe that they only did eight episodes this year. I know. I get it, though, because like when you've done

something for a million years, it can probably be hard to put your best art out. Yes. And like it's still hit every single one of those still good. They hit. Which is probably why it would be hard. Eight episodes is probably good for this season, but it did suck. But the end? My God, spit

on that thing. Anyway. Well, especially because I love, you know, the Bachelor franchise now. But yeah, I was just like, it's just Bob's Gregory's is back too, by the way. And it was a great first up. Oh, really? I'm so behind. Oh my God. The last three seasons have actually been really good. It's been so good that it's like they could have ended it.

You know what I mean? Like where you're like, wow, these episodes have been amazing. My eyes are kind of teared up because they're that good. And then like they keep getting renewed. And I'm like, do it again. But then they keep doing it. And I'm like, wow. Yeah.

They rock. Amazing. Highly rock. Get caught up. So Danny gets the report on the 13 galleys from Admiral Grollio, which is like a total Star Wars name. They're old. But they're functional.

Her council debates are the ships strong enough for the journey? I'm not sure if this is meant to be a mirror here of like Grolio, right? She thinks about how he's an admiral with no ships. And I'm like, Denaries, are you a queen with no kingdom at this moment? Marine is her kingdom right now, but at the same time, like, I do think she, she thinks of herself a little that way too. Titles, titles. But yeah, yeah. Later, Admiral Grolio confirms that the ships are functional but old.

And Danny's council debates like whether the ships are sufficient for the journey. Embarrassed advises caution The rest are open To Westeros But Danny decides against leaving Not wanting to abandon Marine to the fate That seems to be lingering around it Based on everything else

That's happened to all the other places I do think it's sweet A little That Resnock He does seem legitimately like Scared he's like What do you mean you're leaving He's like you're leaving

Like what happened to all those places Is gonna happen here Right? I don't know what I said back when we did the Barris and Quentin stuff, but like, I'm team Resnack. Like, I think he's good. I don't think he's bad. Really? He can be changed. He like legitimately cares about this place. Like, does it suck that like he was like formerly team slavery?

Yeah, but like I do believe in people's capacity to change. And I think he's coming around maybe. Yeah. I don't know. He's worried about a destabilized Marine. He like wants, he cares about his home, wants it to succeed. Shave paint, I don't know what I was saying. I was a little drunk of those, those episodes. to go. And like, I don't know, probably not part of the harpy as I read these, but it was an

interesting line of thought. Again, I believe in people's capacity to change. But also, I don't know. Maybe he is very conniving. A lot of people have made very compelling arguments. I don't know. George knows. And I do think he actually has planned this part out and thought about it on like policies and asked support. Again, he has the chance. He is the chance to let us know. But I don't know about all that. You don't know that he has the chance that he's going to going to let us know? I don't know. That I know. It's coming out tomorrow, but I meant the shave pay. I don't know about that. I don't know if I agree with you on the shave pay. I think he might be, I don't know. I don't know what it's up with him. We'll find out. That's the thing.

I just don't know what's up with him anymore. I thought I like had, every time I think of something, I'm like, I don't know. So I'm going to just give up and leave it to the fates, aka George. I don't know. The shave fate, if you will. I will say in regards to they're talking about the Yon Kai are going to come they're going to fucking like rape and then enslave your wives and maiden daughters

is like what's going around right now as a talking point and shave is all like I'm going to kill my wife and daughters then let them be enslaved and I'm like that was like a crazy thing for you to say sir and De Neri says earlier in this chapter that no man should be owned right when she's having that discussion with Zaro Zo and Doxos, and I'm like, not trying to be like, oh, men must die, but we are women, so we should live, like, all a Game of Thrones. But that does stand out to me a little, right?

Because, like, I do think that George is exploring all that throughout this book series. And clearly the shave paint, like many of the other men in this story, still seem to maybe see the women and girls of their families as, like, their own owned property, right? to think that you can just take their lives instead of letting them decide, you know, how it'll go. Granted, slavery does take that choice a little bit away from someone, sure, not a little bit, a lot. But anyways, I will say that Beloved by Tony Morrison does a great job of exploring this question better, as is NK. Jemison likely inspired by Tony Morrison's beloved. But anyway, I thought that was a very weird thing for you to say, shave paint. It was definitely weird.

I'm like, I think you would just like to kill your wife and kids. sounds like. Yeah, I'm just like, is that better? Hmm. It's very honor killing, which the last time we saw that was Victorian, just going to say. Hmm. That's an honor killing. Well, while Danny seems staunch in her decision, Zaro still thinks she could be convinced.

He returns with the tapestry that I mentioned earlier, and he's like, accept the ships. Sail for Westeros. She agrees to take the ship Yeah, get the fuck out She agrees to take the ships But refuses to promise Her immediate departure And Zaro grows pretty distraught

And he's like, well you've made so many enemies Here That was a bad choice And Danny coldly threatens him Saying that if he doesn't leave He'll learn how dragonfire works He leaves in tears But the next morning

A messenger delivers a single Bloodstained glove signaling war, and thus Danny's decision is made for her in many of ways. I think you were saying this, but I didn't really catch it until now of like, not only did he give her this map that's like, it's like a useless fucking map for getting the fuck out. Yeah. If it doesn't have, if it's not updated, why would this map be useful?

I mean, obviously other people know how to navigate there from here, but still. It doesn't mean think of gloves back. In the 17th century, they were often used kind of as an intimate gift, where, like, for land owning, et cetera, you could, it was a very symbolic gift. And then judges would also often wear gloves as a symbol that their hands were unsullied by the criminals. Oh. Mm-hmm.

So gloves lined with money would be kind of used as bribes, and other members of society had too many pairs of gloves to use them all. So super shown as like a rich person thing to have and so it makes sense that with all of his sparkly gilded gifts quote unquote that he

gives, the last one is a bloodied glove. Yeah. It's like you didn't want my hand in marriage take this bloody glove. I'm realizing now whose blood is this right? Because it adds insult to the whole injury of like we're going to war now

to maybe use a slaves, one of Zaro's slaves' blood, perhaps for it? Or like, where did this, like, do you think, like, he went up to Gail? He's like, wow, I hate that this happened to you. Here, let's dab you a little with this glove and then, like, wipe up your face and then give it to her. Like, whose blood is this?

Hmm. Almost, almost makes me wonder if it's his own in a way. Maybe. That would be, like, very metal of him. Yeah, like, I must do this thing for my countrymen enslavers. I would respect it a little if it were his. Like, that's very dramatic. Mm-hmm.

But I was also thinking, like, the bloody glove. It makes me think of the play, the bloody hand. Mm-hmm. Once upon a time, these chapters might have been in the same book as the Mercy chapter. Wow. Could have gone well together. Not to mention that we have a different maybe bloody hand, too. with uh john connington oh and then you have like i don't know like bastard of god's grace

isn't there sigil a hand oh probably i don't am i making that up i don't know i haven't played k3 i don't have it all in my head like you do dude it's a golden hand on red and black uh you should really learn your sigils eliana i probably should i should make like some fucking flashcards sometime. I'll make some. Oh, we could put it in your guess who. Oh, my God, that would be so... Oh. That would be kind of, that would be fine. That would be really a way to learn it. What are you visiting me again? We got to figure that out. I'm not lugging it. I'm not lugging it to Philly. No, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah, we got to make it. Even though you gave it to me. Yeah, this is kind of fucked up, the gift that keeps on giving, apparently.

Oh, man. We're restoring the system backwards. Cyclical, the nature of it all. Yeah. for coming to Daeneres 3 in a Dance with Dragons. I really enjoyed this chapter. I actually feel like I got way more out of it now than I thought I was going to get earlier. Yeah, I thought I didn't have anything to give you all, but turns out I did, and mostly people were sassy this chapter. It was good to digest it with you, and we'll be back with Danny 4 up next, so make sure

you swing by for that. for you. She's got a business degree. Danny for you, just like Nathan for you? Wow. That's kind of what she's doing, if you think about it. A rehearsal? She's not doing the rehearsal, but she is doing a little Danny, and she does fly.

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What if you left a bloody glove here at the end? That'd be crazy. Oh, I started my period. Sorry. Yeah, see, that's another option. but it's technically not blood, right? It's like lining. Maybe he was on his period. But I did think about, I did, I did consider, did someone just like, you know, wipe up, wipe up down there. Yeah, I think he's on his period.

Yeah. Goodbye. Well, bye.