Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 266 — ADWD Daenerys IV

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Daenerys seeks peace for Meereen through religion. --- Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon reads A Song of Ice and Fire. Episode 266, Dineries 4 in A Dance with Dragons. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back. We've got big news, but not us. The world has been news.

What's crazy is every time Eliana and I go to record a podcast, something comes out about Ace Woff like right before. I do think that. That does happen to us a lot. Like articles come out or like big stuff comes out or like production news comes out. But what I loved was the time, this is mildly related, that after we released what, our final. Duncan Egg episode, they had

more news, right? About the Dunkin' Egg series or something. It was like, we foretold us JK. But... Yeah. I think we kind of did. I mean, our platform began off Duncan Egg. Never forget it. We're so tried to it. Yeah. Wow.

So January, we will be eating good in January. If you have been following... Oh, my God. If you've been following any of the production news, you may know that New York Comic-Con has a panel coming up where George and folks will be speaking, production folks, Ira Parker, et cetera, will be speaking about Night of the Seven Kingdoms. It's coming within the next week or so, so that means we should get some news about

premiere date, which means you might get some news about scheduling from us. There was an EW article that just came out talking a little bit about Duncan Egg and what to somewhat expect, like, no intro. There will be no dramatic intro. Ira Parker said, I don't want the drama. He saw our tweets. He didn't want the drama. I think they should just simply have a whole, like,

anime fighting sequence and, like, the whole song. Oh, that could be, it should be a puppet show. Oh, my God, my idea of the puppet show, though, I was, like, picking the fucking welcome to Dulac from... Yeah. Like, Shrek, that's what it should be. Just like that. No, it literally should, though.

It should be like, it should be welcome to bright walls, you know, and it should have a total little. But I wouldn't mind, and this is like cheesy, but I think it would work like a, you know, almost renaissancee medieval kind of cover of the OG song, right? Like with lutes and shit, I just feel like, it could be fun. If you have to hear a version of that I feel like Sam R might have done one I'm sure many people have done it online but Samar used to do it for Master Monthly I think

That was a long time ago But that could be fun, that could be fun Call Sam R, get Sam R up Yeah another Another Australia A different girl A different girl back then Is who you were

My most important thing I spotted From this interview Besides talking about Darren the Dreamer He's in there Not named but like he's talked about as one of the missing sons in this interview but also horses motherfucker

we see the horses they look so good in this one photo I hope they're good I hope they're doing good yeah I hope I cry about like when he has to you know

sell him off for money and get him back devastating devastating devastating it has to be like lady proportions for me you know is it like the same do you think it's like the same

as when Teneres has to lock up two of her dragons. Actually, no, she can't get the third. Because we don't know. Yeah, we don't know if he's ever going to read Night with the Horse. I don't think he does, based off of where we are in the story and that they've kind of just been abandoned. I don't know how long horses live.

Yeah, Sweetfoot, which was Arlands. Arlands baby. Beautiful baby. That's so sad. A mare. We get really mad at George about how he treats the mom. mothers of some of these characters and doesn't name them, but I'm like, how about the mothers of some of these horses? Oh, true. The mirrors, yeah. It's fucked up. Um, I'm very hyped about the horses.

Uh, he says something in this interview with EW about, and him being, he being Ira Parker, I think, uh, mentions there will be no POVs from the rich or from the lords, you know, it'll be about the small folk, you know, dunk, egg. And I'm like, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha. Because he can't tell. That's like the big thing. Yeah. I think, sorry, it was back to horses. Clever.

I just wanted to say, I thought, I think it's interesting that they have like really normalish names. Like I've heard the names of like racing horses. They have weird fucking names. Like American Pharaoh. Secretariat. Tell me more. Secretary.

Yeah, Secretariat. What the fuck kind of name? Yeah. What the fuck kind of names are these? They're so weird. Sea biscuit, bro. Yeah. Anyways, that's it.

Yeah. That's how I feel exciting. Excited to see. We'll hopefully learn more soon after New York Comic-Con. Yeah. Patreon episode this month for our patrons. In the Stranger Tier, a horse of a different coat is going to be catching fire again. Yeah, there aren't actually any horses in that, I think.

In catching fire? Yeah, there are in the chariot. Oh, that's true, the chariot. yeah I forgot and the sugar cube what is wrong with you who are you horses like I was like are they okay do they have horses probably not okay but yes they do have horses yeah you're right they're not okay I read this AMA with a medieval times like for someone who used to work at medieval times like said some horrible stuff about how they treat the horses yeah I won't now not with how they treat the horses I didn't even know they had horses there I just thought that it was like the idea

a tavern. No, yeah, it's a whole... I didn't know they had horses. No, it's the whole thing. It's a whole... It's all like a joust. You get to go to a joust. How big are they?

A raucous time. Wow. It's like the entire literal middle of the dining room is the jousting area. It's like a rent fare in a building and much cheaper in capitalism's shit on it. Oh. Okay. Well... Like it's fine, but like rent fare is better.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But if you can't go and you... And there's only like 10 or some shit in the country. There's not a lot, so like, you really can't... Have many people times this? Yeah. I've been to Renfair a couple of times.

I actually went once with the Asong of Ice and Fire book club that I organized that used to meet pretty regularly off of this Song of Ice and Fire subreddit. Oh yeah, hell yeah. That would be so fun. Yeah. I should do a Girls Gone Canon Renfair meet up next year. Come to Run Faire. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. So there's Buena Park, which one of these, maybe it's Boina Park in Cali. That one is, I think, unionized. Okay. There's one that's unionized, yeah. Good for them. There's one in, like, Chicago, there's one in Dallas. What isn't there?

That place is so fucking big. Texas is just too big. Myrtle Beach has one. Oh, Merdle Beach. Interesting. Let's go to Myrtle Beach. That's the first beach I ever went to. But I was like four.

And there's a little cunty moat. Wait, is it the first feature I went to? It's the first beach I remember being at as a human. Scottsdale. Toronto Ontario Anyways I digress After that I'm like now disappointed though

Like I'll never go after hearing about the horse treatment No that's valid I don't think you should It's very important to me that we watch things And read things where horses get Their situation's handle properly Except for Broncos You know I will say to keep us on this tangent

Fung the Broncos They're up three to the Eagle Zero right now the middle of a recording. Wow, that actually surprises me in that... Me too. I mean, like... Who's upkeeping these horses? My understanding is they're like a good team, but I'm just like, wow, Eagles, come

on, step it up. Oh, we're not losing. We're not. We haven't lost yet, so we're not starting now. Before this battle that's taking place on the field, I'll have you know the Eagles had not lost a game in 25. Wow. How many games is that?

I'm not counting right now, but a handful or two. Cool. Big deal. Compared to everyone else, like, it's crazy. All right, so catching fire this month is what we were trying to tell you about. We need a little filler, you know, it's a quick episode. Catching fire this month, the enemy, part 1A, the third act. We are starting the third act.

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Okay To jungle pussy it This month it's going to be October 18th. It's going to be autumnal as fuck. Yeah. I don't know how yet, but it will be. It will be.

I guess we could have, like, I don't know, we could have pumpkin spice lattes. Costume party. Oh, true, of some sort. At, uh, yeah. Trick or treating. How do we make trick or treating a Discord Brappy Hour event?

I don't know. You know what I thought of. Workshopping. I remember, like, quote, unquote, trick-treating, like, events on Gaia online. That's it. Ha ha. Oh, a dot.

Hey, you know what? It's a digital way to do it. Let's talk offline, you know? Yeah, I don't know. They figured something out. Maybe we could figure, we got 13 days. We got 13 days, girl, we'll figure it out. Let's get into our lightning round.

We already figured this out right now for you, and that is our lightning round between Denaries 3 in a dance with dragons and Denaries 4. Starting with John 4. John counseled Stannis. He once more refuses Winterfell from him, and he tries to figure out how to feed. a shit ton of people with no food. It's an interesting conundrum

that many are having. Yeah, many are saying this. 3 and 5. Aborad the shy maid Stone men attack. Davos 3. Imprised in the Merman's court, Davos gets to hear why Lamanderly's impassioned speech before

that. Yeah, I mean, who isn't giving it an impassioned speech nowadays? I say as, that's foreshadowing for this episode. Rieke 2. Riek lifts a siege for Ramsey. He recognizes Jane Poole, who arrives as someone else to Winterfell. John 5. John distributes rations, extremely small rations to the free folk. Tyrion 6. Through murky dreams of his father and gods, Tyrion goes on their mission to help the cause.

And then is kidnapped by Jora, which is like probably the worst thing that could happen to him. Yeah, the fucking idiots kidnapping the idiots up in this bitch. I just don't want to spend time. Just like failures of epic proportions. It sounds like no one wants to actually spend time with Jora. No, real. And he's just going around kidnapping now because he's like someone's going to. I mean, as a woman, definitely no, right?

But like even the men don't seem to enjoy hanging out with him. He just seems like a loser. Kind of the weirdo at the cookout, man. Yeah. Well, he's not invited to the- Shout out for Jora. But he shows up anyway. Yeah.

He shows up anyway. Anyways. Anyways. Listen. Listen, this all puts us into DeNaris 4. Which, by the way, Jora's not in this chapter. Thank fucking God. That's true.

DeNeres 4 in a dance with dragons where we count our blessings because Jora is not in this chapter. And DeNeres meets with Team Green. Not that Team Green. They're dead. Galaza Galare Team Green. Yeah. And not the Eagles either. which also have the color green.

Oh my God, but if I wore that... Different green. Around today, that'd be hilarious. The sweater that Chloe sent me an eagle sweater. Yeah, just get stoned to death with it on. I don't think I would. I really don't think I would. I think they're a popular enough team that I don't think I would.

And, like, I don't think that the team here has particular any... Yeah, I don't think the team here has particular any, like, really... Dry-hard fans. Yeah. Yeah. Though, I am curious. I mean, it's not like you're a Cowboys fan visiting Philly. If you were a Cowboys fan, like, ooh, that suck, but...

I think it'd be interesting. I don't think I'm going to, like, support, like, the Washington, like, commanders or whatever, but I do think it would be interesting. I think after last year, I'm interested to see what happens to them. Do you know what I mean? Like, just because... Yeah, open-minded. Well, just because I was like, well, wait, I'm confused.

Like, they actually got far last year. You never know. Yeah, so I'm just, like, what a strange thing to have happened? other strange things are happening, right? For the first time, we are meeting with Galazagalare, whose name is really fun to say, and whom I like to say, Galare, oh, galare, oh, ho,

arise at the Great Pyramid with a dozen white graces, noble girls who are too young for the temple gardens. Their innocence is supposed to mean something here, I guess. The old green grace is robed in green, greets the party, and Danny retires to a party, private supper while Misande tends to the children, which I'm going to come back to this in a second. Danny's cook serve honeyed lamb sounds incredible with crushed mint and small green fags. Two favorite hostages, Keza and her brother, Grashar, pour wine and wait on the graces,

and they're actually related to the green grace. And I do think that this line is fucking crazy here. Very interesting of two of Danny's favorite hostages. That's what it says in there. And so in her interiority, she knows that they're hostages. even though, like, last chapter, she was trying to, like, smooth it out with Scahas and be, like, they're not hostages. And, like, so, like, they're hostages. And we all knew they were hostages. Everyone knows their hostages. But also, it's kind of, like, interesting to me that she's, like, Missonde is tending to them. And I understand to some extent maybe that's a revered position of, like, she is overwatching everyone to do this. But I'm also, like, that's kind of crazy to be, like,

go serve these former slave masters. It's interesting, right? Because it's almost like an act of reciprocal like respect like oh you'd like to see your relatives who i'm keeping hostage so i want them to look well tended to like we're not beating like it's weird because danny's immediately being subservient to the green grace yeah throughout this entire chapter and even having msonde there doing that i'm like that's kind of that's kind of rude in my opinion just a little yeah i mean they have to like be there i get she's qualified i guess for the job yeah it's uh it's an interesting dynamic going on, and the priestess, the green grace, notes Danny looks weary.

She asks if she sleeps. I'm like, nah, that girl ain't sleeping. Danny explains three carthene galleys had slipped up the Skahazadan, despite their fire arrows and burning pitch that they attacked back with. The carthene aimed to close the river and the bay off. New geese and a Tolosi Carrack, then join them. So everything we said last chapter, coming true. Oh, no. Everyone's joining together, joining together against Danny. After sending missives out to them, the leaders of Tolos, send back calling her a whore

and demanding Marines return. Mantaris, who is allied with Tolos, answers with the pickled heads of her envoys. So. Very crazy, but also makes me think of. This is not what it should make me think of. It makes me think of fucking Eamon's body in the barrel of rum, but also, in general, like, what's up with Tolos? I'm like, I haven't heard much about them, so. Tolos is interesting, and I have to tell you, my only interest in, like, Mantaris and Tolos, shout out K3 and K2.

Like, no joke, Crusader Kings to Agat. Like, when you have too many Targaryens, what you do in Westros is you send one of them away and play as them or whatever, Or you make your guy go, like, found old Valeria, new Valeria back too. And these are some of the only places that still have some Valerian blood that you can marry into. It's important, especially if you want dragons and K2. It's not fully fleshed out right now in K3, but they are flushing things out. And I haven't played it in like six months. So I don't want to misspeak, you know, on the recent 2025, CK3 updates.

but CK2, it's actually like CK2 is what made me have interest in these places back then and look them up more and try to learn about them and like, you know, there's some shit in World of Ice and Fire and whatever fake-ass book. But Toulos was founded by slash maybe just a subject of the Valerian freehold. And after the doom, Toulos and Illyria formed ties with the Giscari cities of Slavers Bay. They didn't have anyone else, right? So they allied with the cities that were kind of. near Slavers Bay.

So it's like in the north. It's the north side. It's a port city in the north of where they are right now. So we don't hear much of them till a dance with dragons. So it does make me think like World of Ice and Fire, dance with dragons kind of is where it was invented for, right? To give out more flavor to world building where Danny is. But interesting that they are then also allied with Mantaris,

because Mantaris is like when I talk about, needing to go find blood to add to my Valerian family so I can continue having dragons and controlling all of CK2 a Game of Thrones. Shout out. Crusader Kings to a Game of Thrones. Shout out, shout out. But in order to do that, I often would go to Mantaris because you had some Valerians. You could, you know, slide in their DMs over there and be like, hey, let's hook up and make babies and put dragon eggs in their cradle. It's a really fun game, you guys. I know it just sounds like Valerian Eugenics, which it kind of is, but it's still really fun. we talk about her runs

also on the Discord those are chronicled on there but also like yeah I don't know so like what so like what's up they're not like free cities and I know this because we covered most of the free cities and we're going to continue that series

because they're specifically so MAMTaurus is really we are going to do that I was thinking that the other day when we recorded I was like oh what up shout out Valantis shout out bravos we need to get up with that but also like the Hunger Games is my whole life now next year no yeah we're having fun and i hope you are too uh mantaris is kind of a sting so like mantaris was founded also by the freehold and ruled by valerians so this is like these are places that are a little

farther from the main drop where everyone is in the freehold right so everybody that fries up in the doom goes nuclear like warhead on it these places are in radius but not quite they're a little farther. So Mantaris is ruled by Valerians in the name of the freehold and post-dum it was still inhabited but the people there are kind of said to be monstrous and so you have like a post-dum like they're monster this is oh my god let's go oh my god so it's sad right because these are people affected by the doom and they were kind of rejected from society like no one looks at them as anything like this is what Valerian has become post doom and so

it's also kind of a double sting right that like they reject Danny they reject someone who's supposed to be well I mean also no one saved them so that's true Targaryans didn't really drop any lines about hey by the way good luck so no one came to save them but like kind of a double sting right showing like some place that's of her great ancient ancestral blood being like no we don't want you either bitch especially

with all of all of the kind of quandary she's having in this chapter and the last chapter about her blood right and about being a monster being such a theme for her just like it is for Tyrion around these times of being a monster and my blood being monstrous and I'm

a monster am I a monster he's a monster so interesting that you have this literal place of the monsters and monster fuckers that They're like, nah, we don't even want you, monster girl. Go away. I'm now like super looking forward to the storyline of when they meet because like the themes are going to just pop off.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can tell like, I know we're all excited about John Aris or whatever, but like I'm actually more excited about Danny and Tyrion meeting for that. Like there's so much there. There's so much like explosive toxicity waiting to pop off. They've both been through so much fucking bullshit. Like, go off toxic queens.

Go off. They both have such an interesting shared pain. It's going to be so good. Ugh. Two joint mentally ill characters, maximizing their joint mentally ill slaves. Also, like, the other toxic queens of Ariya and then John Connington, give me more.

They're just going to hate each other so much. I can't wait till they fight in the council room. Oh, I want to be there. Oh, my God. We have to stop thinking about T. I'm wet just thinking about it. Also, kind of crazy about Tolos to come back to Tolos, Marco, Tolos, we learned in Danny one in this book, there's a throwaway line, Hisdar, this Hisdar from this chapter, His Dar,

yeah, you know him. He's, he has kin in Tolos. So is this a hint to us here, reminding us, like, His Dar and his ally, the Green Grace, maybe aren't on Team Danny, maybe his Dar's a mistake. knowing Tolos wants nothing to do with her and is declaring war too, but she's marrying. I don't know. It also doesn't matter because, like, everyone's related. So whatever. That's true.

Interesting. Is it supposed to be, like, a bigger callout, you know? I don't know. Yeah. I think marrying his dart was a mistake, but it's one that the story has to explore, I guess. Yeah. No, true. That's a good hint.

And, like, I don't know. the Green Grace, probably the Harpy, maybe also. The Green Grace promises to pray and sacrifice. Yeah, not thoughts and prayers. Well, they're sacrifice. What do we mean by this? What are we sacrificing? Well, interesting, right?

There's a lot of really interesting language and prophecy and stuff that's coming up here, too, which is kind of fun that we can go into later. But I do love our real intro to the Green Grace, because she's like the true ringleader of the anti-Danny coalition. Yeah. It's pretty clear to me. It's a fun act too antagonist for Danny, right? Like, I think of Miriamazdor as kind of her antagonist in the first act.

And now we have the Green Grace as a clear antagonist. But also, Danny's a little too caught up in things to realize it maybe. Clearly, she's probably the harpy. It's George's favorite thing to do, right? Concealing the thing right in front of you. The harpy statue. the harpy statue, what does she mean, who could be the harpy, it could be any of these dudes trying to kill me every single day, oh, it was her and I was eating out of her hand the entire

time. I mean, I feel like that's a very fun Georgeism to execute, and I don't know, she's, her people are surrounded by Danny, or Danny's surrounded by her people, I should say. Danny is surrounded by them, right? They're everywhere reporting on her all the time. She never has, like, what does she say to Zorro last chapter? How does he know all of this? Well. Plus, like, I mean also heartbeat, right? You're talking about, like, she.

Yes, that's what I mean. Yeah, she. Looking for the princess instead of the prince, and that's Danny's thing. Yeah. Yeah, and also, like, I think she forgets because she hasn't been as embroiled in it yet, and it will become a big part of her storyline, right? when we get more of the red priest stuff, the relore stuff, in terms of the power of religion. But, like, I think she's going to learn that through the green grace, because to an extent, right, they're a dark mirror of what's going on with the Sparrow's movement because she is, the green grace is a religious leader and treating with her in the way that maybe the high sparrow, right, is meeting with Ceres.

Yeah, that's a really interesting parallel. I like that. It's just like he didn't flesh out much of like, I don't, I don't know much about, I guess, the faith of Marine. And like, we can assume perhaps that there's a different religion, or many different religions, as we know, amongst the freedmen. Because, like, what? Masande has her own from where she grew up, but, like, it's not as dug into, partially because I think we can't just be like, oh, yes, Catholicism. on top of it the way we can

of the faith. Sure. I mean, we do get that little bit, right? The Temple of the Grace is being sacred, the center of worship, and it's named after the priestesses of the Giscari religion. So, you know, the Giscari religion,

the only other thing we know is like that being buried in the temple is the highest honor and we see that she gives Hasea that. So which also kind of shows that she's, it's funny, she's thinking about Hasea in just a minute will come to, but by doing, By doing that, she kind of did something that maybe isn't necessarily allowed by her to dictate, right?

Just because she's the queen. So coming to kind of those similar thoughts of the faith like we see in Searcy, but just because Danny has called herself the queen out here, does she have the right to say Hasea can go to rest in the highest, noblest place that anyone would rest? It's interesting to think because she doesn't seem to have the real approval of the priestess here of the green graces who like is. a religious order coming from that. So, like, she is speaking through God of the city to Danny. It is a good question because, like, there is, especially during, when it comes to monarchy, right? There's, like, such an intertwine between, like, the need of that, like, religious mandate as well. And, like, I mean, you think about it with regards to-

Agin. Agin, but also, like, Jherry's and Alassan, they're like, we got to convince them, we got to convince all these people that they're totally into incest or that our incest is allowed. Yeah. Magor, especially. All of it. Yeah. Are you with Targ if you didn't have a tussle with the religious order?

True. This is a rite of passage, perhaps. And it all start, Aeney's, right? Aeney's couldn't kick it. Yeah. He couldn't convince everyone that they were into incest. Yeah. Aeney just wasn't charismatic enough for that part, that part.

I think Raina could have been. Yeah. Isn't it a shame? Isn't it a shame, folks? Danny chats here with the Green Grace about more freedmen chat. Hey chat. They chat about more freedmen

dying the previous night. Three weavers were raped and murdered when the sons of the harpy broke into their home. Danny answers the murder with mercy and refuses to kill the noble hostages that she holds. I just wanted to comment three weavers reminded me of the fates.

Yeah. I don't think it's that deep, but it does remind me of the three fates. They're the same ones that we heard of, right, a few chapters ago where DeNeres was like, you're going to teach them. Yeah, pay them and whatever. Or pay for their, yeah, for being taught. Yeah, so. And also, like, I guess it sucks that this happened.

They were able to identify them partially because, I guess, we know a noble who's likely part of the harpie who led to this from the previous chapters, but also like, it sucks, but, like, was. this was a test, right? To see, like, all right, is she going to kill the hostages if we do this? Yeah, like, it, it sucks because she's not piecing together what happened in the last chapter to her with today. Which, like, this is also a threat. All of this. This is them making sure how far they can take it. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm not, like, advocating for killing kids, but. Maybe she should. Maybe these ones have bad vibes. God damn it. What? Maybe they do. The priestess warns about feeding hostages to Danny's dragons in return,

and Scahas says, hostages mean nothing if their heads do not fall. True. She thinks, Hasea was enough. What good is peace if it must be purchased with the blood of little children? Danny insists the murders are not hers to avenge, and she refuses to become a butcher queen.

The green grace says, Oh, B.T. Dubs, the butcher king's dead. He was slain by his own men when he urged them out to fight the young kai. Good. Rip in piss. Of course, he was hardly dead until a second Cleon, Cleon the second, took his place. He lasted eight days. His throat gets cut open, and the killer claims the crown. And also, his first concubine did too. So king cutthroat and queen whore is what the Astopori are calling them. Okay. My question is, if the first. one was Cleon, and that was his name. Did the second one choose to call himself Cleon

because they think that's what royalty, or is Cleon a common name in Astapur? I think, yes. Right? Yeah, I'm just like legitimately, like, is it just the pate of Astapur? The Aegon of Astopor. Yeah, like, where everyone's just named that right here in front of our eyes. The Egan Frey, you know? Like. Yeah, like, what was John's name? We don't know. Yeah. Same thing. Cleon. Oh my God. They reveal. They get in Leon. His tomb, they reveal, John's name is Cleon. Okay, we just- Cleon Stark-Gyrian.

Wow. No, honestly, that'd be hilarious. I think George should do it. Yeah, I think you should. He has my full support. Go off, King. King, Cleon. Yeah.

So this is a question that I have. That's it. No, I think that's, yeah, real. That's real. I think yes is the answer. I'm going to answer it, since George can't tell you. I say yes. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Finally, the Green Grace surges marriage to end the city's hatred. She argues a high-born Giscari king would reconcile Marie into Danny's rule, and she knows a very eligible bachelor who comes highly recommended. She names, who could it be?

None other than. His Darzolorak, praising his lineage and insisting a son of dragon and harpy would fulfill prophecy. I'm like, I think you made that up. Granted, many of the prophecies might be made up, but I've seen it happen, and I don't know that all of them are. Yeah. Even, so she goes on to say, A king is not a god, but there is still much a strong man might do. When my people look at you, they see a conqueror from across the seas come to murder us and make slaves of our children.

A king could change that. A highborn king of pure Gascari blood could reconcile the city to your rule. Elsewise, I fear, your reign must. end as it began in blood and fire. Well, yes, but probably for a different reason. So let's put a pin in that one right there, right? Like, because I do think she will be bringing you some blood and fire. Like, don't worry, you're going to get those fireworks.

But their debate here before she names Hizdar is really not compelling. Like, you guys are the ones murdering and making slaves of the children. Like, you did that long before Danny was here. That's true. Like, that's what your city was built on. Like, don't try to turn this on her. would they be afraid of her and sl like when you say they you mean the nobles the rich people of the city which are one percent where 99 percent of the people are the people that danny is

trying to you know help yeah it's just very interesting very interesting there's also these lines back and like the call's coming from inside the house l m ao but we got a couple different lines here that i found also interesting i need a man with ships and swords you offer me ancestors. That goes hard. That's great. And I'm sure she's going to say something similar, come the winds of winter. Yeah, probably. Okay, because that's something that really I'm noticing too is all of these things she's being told are things that we're hearing in the political courts in Westeros. Right? Oh, you should marry this blood. This blood will give you these things. We get the line, wed his dar Zolorak, and make a son with him, a son whose father is the

Harpy, whose mother is the dragon, in him, the prophecies shall be fulfilled, and your enemies will melt away like snow. From his blood, the prince that was... Your enemies will melt away like the snow. Feels significant. Makes you start thinking about all those books that Maistra Eamon brought with him, and some of the books Danny hasn't read yet that were given to her, wondering if there's more prophecy to be seen in these books, you know, kind of similar to the prophecies, right?

Similar to her dream, where she is Rhaegar on the Trident, but on a dragon and melting away the others. Interesting to see these different perceptions or readings out here in the east. Could it all be the one prophecy, the one ring, ba-b-bada-ba, rule them all, that they're, you know, that they're perceiving. Danny also is too lost in her own thoughts of her own prophecy for these words to really bring out to her which I thought is really fun like yeah this could be this is like what I'm saying is like it's a clue a clue you know like blue's clues like oh my god this is important this feels

important but Danny doesn't catch the clue I don't know yeah I'm also just like what prophecy is she talking about like why didn't you tell us this prophecy galaza galore I want to hear it for my own fun yeah yeah I want to hear the full version yeah give me the full Eastern version of this. Yeah. Yeah. Don't hold back. Give me the full Melisondra's spiel on it, you know?

Let's do this thing. Commit. But it is like interesting to me that Danny handwaves away like the whole like weight about His Dar's ancestry because I mean like it really matters to Denary's her own ancestry and like maybe hers does matter a little more when it comes to dragons. Like does His Dar's come with magic? I don't know. but you know she's so defined by that by her ancestry and also like she you know you're saying

that she's not listening here about the importance of like the prophecy and so forth and like maybe there's clues in there there about like the trappings of power right of like what narrative can do and maybe she like doesn't put much stock in it because she knows she doesn't have one of the big trappings of power aka a penis and so that becomes like a block for her but to not understand the importance of that kind of, like, story in those trappings can put her at a disadvantage when it comes to Westrose, right? Or also not understanding, like, hey, this is what people think about your family's. Like, yeah, people think good things about Egan and Jehry's, but what about, like, also your dad, right?

What does that people mean people will think about you? And that's the lesson here also from Hizdar, because I'm like, maybe you don't immediately have ships and swords. but being able to use that to your advantage means people will be willing to pledge them to you and I'm not saying do that through Hizdar because I think the whole marrying of his dar is part of like the whole like concessions majoring the Reconstruction era

I'm just saying like the overall lesson about ancestry and I do think that she'll a couple of things like I don't know that she'll ever see his dar again I think that maybe like at the end after this, you know, like, when she's...

She's going to go out the window during the date. She's going to literally ghost him. I bet she'll annul it, you know. She'll probably somehow get it annulled in Westeros. I'll be like, yeah, that doesn't count. You write. You write the laws now. So, yeah, girl, good for you.

Or if he's dead. Also, yeah, or he's dead. I also think, like, there's something in this, to your point, that's going to prepare her for Westeros, but also not prepare her for Westeros, in that it's going to be exactly Like, this is how marriage is in Westeros for a queen will be brokered, right? It will be mirrored, not dissimilarly. Somebody will be counseling her that she should be marrying ex-person who has these lands and his blood is pure and descends from so-and-so's line, et cetera, et cetera.

Like, she will have these same offers. Like, it may feel barbaric and terrible here and the comparing of the bloodlines and him being worthy and the obscenessing. session over blood purity, but I don't know that it's that different in Westeros for her either. So I think that she will be very bored and not happy with the same thing. Like, it's the same practice at the end of the day out West. These are the same conversations being had as they broke her marriages in Westeros. I mean, it's the one that comes up later in this book, right?

Quentin being like, hey, hey, we're like kind of related and that makes me eligible, right? as a bachelor. Yeah, for you, your dragons. The eligibility. I mean, Jane being used as Aria in the last week. Or even like, there's slight mirrors here with her being like, oh, do they, will they ever love me? And also, like, thinking about lineage that pairs well with, like, Sansa's veil storyline

as well. Yep, I was thinking Sansa and the Nolment and, you know, Tyrion, right? Tyrion and Sansa, something will have to happen there or not. I think he's going to press it. I think he's going to press the claim. I don't know. I think DeNaris might ask him to. I think he'll want to just for, I don't know, chaos.

It really just depends on Johnny Boy. You know, whatever's going to happen with Johnny Boy is really going to be the question because, you know, Janaris. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see. Interesting. Interesting. Lots to come.

Does not do to dwell on pages not yet writ. They might be written. We just don't know. Yeah. Who's to say? Danny doubts that ancestors will feed bellies or sway fleets, but she admits marriage might save lives and it might honor the dead that have already been gone in all of this. She worries Scahas will not follow Hizdar,

and she distrust the shave Pate's temper, but still all the same. She says, fine, I'll summon his dar. And by the way, the Green Grace, who's such a little bitch, is like, oh, good, because he's waiting below. So I'll just have him brought up. Like, why are you planning everything? Galaza? Hmm.

Yeah. we have this very sad line she thought of stalwart shield of misande's brother of the woman rilona re who had played the harp so beautifully no marriage could ever bring them back to life but if a husband could help end the slaughter then she owed it to her dead to marry so his dar arrives wearing a plain green robe showing some kind of allegiance there again team green uh i'm like wait is this coming true Accidentally, like, is her sigil going to have green on it after all, Eliana? Is our accidental theorizing true? That would be pretty funny. That'd be so funny. I just like the color. That's all.

Yeah. It looks very good on me as part of it. Yeah, it does look good on you, your beautiful skin. Oh, I'm wearing green, like, right now. Oh, yeah, that is green. I thought it was great. That is green. Yeah, no, it's some PJ tie-dye shit.

I'm, like, holding my boobs. But yeah. No? The deep, the forest grins. the cold yeah that's how i picture you in a forest wow so that's i realized that when i was editing the episode last time was like oh that's why i said all this huh anyways we're definitely seeing who he's allied here too right like clearly galaza is calling the shots i love that she's like an evil olena here he gives danny this speech about how he is you know full of gold and

friends and influence and old geese blood and he can give airs to her and okay good luck and he's going to reconcile the city. And Danny Lake probes, she's trying to figure out, are you one of the Harpy's sons? And he gives her a very joking non-answer. Yes and no. He is, right? He's obviously conspiring with them. So basically, yes. But also, it's funny that you said evil Olena because, you know, their testing is De Neri's going to kill kids or not? And as you point out, like, they've been killing kids this whole time with the system. You know who has no problem killing kids? Olena. Literally olena. So slightly eviler. Olenna? Sorry, like evil-year Olena, is what I met.

Already down to do that. She's like, Olena cubed. Sorry, that's what I really meant. I was just like, Olena, let's poison those kids. Tyrell. Well, she's not that bad. I just think it's funny.

I find it also, like, interesting that his dar is reassuring her. He's like, I can provide you airs. Even though Denneri's two seconds ago was just like, I actually can't have children, but no one needs to know that. But yeah, he's all like, I can provide you ears because I have two natural children. It reminds me of some of like the stuff with John Aaron and them being like, we've been able to prove that, uh, this, this girl, Liza can get pregnant John. And they're like, here. And we're like, but can John Aaron have kids? I don't know. Uh, so, interesting.

Damn. Yeah, that's a good call. I don't know if it's like much. It's just fascinates me. Um, I also appreciate that while De Neres says, like, you know, the shave paint will be able to get out of you if you're the harpy. His dart calls him by his first name. He's like, yeah, I'm sure Scahas can do that. And the fact that he calls him by that first name shows that there is more familiarity, right, between them than there is with Denarius. Yes, Scahaz is spending a lot of time around her, but, like, they've known each other for a long time. They run into those circles. And it, like, removes a bit of, like, I think that power, that narrative and that, like, mystique around him to have for his dart have been like, yeah,

I guess Gahas can do that, but also, like, saying that he would be able to wrinkle out of him if he's the heartbeat or not, like, quickly, he's saying, you know, yeah, I'd be admitting to anything after a few days with him, like, goes back to what we were saying about the blue bard. Oh, torture. Yeah, I did love that line, like, very telling, too, of, you know, oh, well, they could just politically torture me and shoot me in the back of the head and say it was a suicide and, uh, you know, too bad about Danny's husband, so don't you worry. Like, also, yeah, showing her, like, hey, I'm not. taking a great deal here either. I mean, yeah. I mean, he is, but he has to downplay it, right? He's haggling. It is. And it's kind of like, I will say, as like not exciting as the relationship is. It is kind of a cute back and forth in some ways where they're both straight up telling each other,

I don't care about you and I really don't want to do this, but I guess we're doing this. So I'm only doing this if you say you're doing this. Like, it's a straight up negotiation. It's a marriage contract they're entering into in this moment. Yeah, a cuter version without the slavery would be like, to all the boys I've loved before. They have a contract. See, cute. It's not cute, though. You don't like to all the boys.

Oh, you mean this. This is not cute. No, I mean this. No, this is not cute. This one's really shitty. This one's shitty and it's like, oh, he wants to bring back slavery. Me, in A-Swaff, you know, this is pretty cute, I guess, by that. standard, knowing how A-Swaff works, I'm like.

Hizdar promises to try to stop the nightly slaughter. Danny asks for proof 90 days and nights without murder, and she will know he's worthy of a throne. Hizdar accepts the challenge with courtly flattery. We have this back and forth. Let them come. In me, they shall find a sterner fothing Cleon. I would sooner perish fighting than return my children.

to bondage. There may be another choice. The Yonkai can be persuaded to allow all your freedmen to remain free, I believe, if your worship will agree that the Yellow City may trade and train slaves unmolested from this day forth. No more blood need flow. Save for the blood of those slaves that the Yung Kai will trade and train, Danny said. But she recognized the truth in his words even so. It may be that is the best end. we can hope for. I feel like we can hope for more. I really do.

I'm about to go on a whole little screed here, which has been... Go, baby. Get them. Culminating from, like, the past three chapters and, like, my frustration of what's going on here. And, like, as I've discussed in the past, like, when I came to the realization a few years ago,

of, like, George was putting together Vietnam and the Reconstruction era. And yeah, like, I think some of the lines that you pulled out here of... When my people look at you, they see a conqueror from across a sea, come to murder us and make slaves of our children, like, yeah, I mean, it is a little bit inspired by the times of what was going on in the 2000s, and just, like, capitulating to what

his dar wants, the things that are going on here, the Harpy is essentially the KKK, right? And, like, the whole, like, white supremacist movements and stuff, and how the U.S. failed to use enough force to curtail what was happening amongst, like, the white supremacists, movements and southern lawmakers and parties who wanted to go back to the way things were or hold on to that sort of social structure and power. And I think arguably that is what is meant to be depicted here. But I'm like, why is DeNaris' only form of leverage meant to be the child hostages and how is she like, how is she to do so?

Like, I'm not being like she should kill the kids, right? I am saying Elena Tyrell would have done it. But I'm not saying she should kill the kids. but there are other ways that like this could have been addressed and some of them has to do yeah with the dragons sure but like i think my biggest issue with the associate storyline in slavers bay storyline is like not not that deniers does all this and marine to try to end slavery because i think like she should but that george fails to give this story the same depth he gave other story and then in effect, by failing to do so and failing to actually explore other characters' agency,

it makes it seem as though slavery is inevitable in the way that Zaris is like, maybe it's like rain, right? It's natural. I'm like, it's not, and I think all of it is kind of just like a failure of imagination. And again, George isn't obligated to write all this, but I am saying this is the effect of what is on the page. I was like reading a thread on our Song of Ice and Fire on the subreddit by anti-Saudi action spelled with a K, A-K-T-I-O-N. I'll link it. It's like really interesting what's in this thread and what other users also contributed

in terms of like the discussion. I think there's a lot of different perspectives brought up and I think it's interesting because like I could not imagine this discussion happening on the subreddit 10 years ago. And like I'm glad to see it. It's a very open discussion and understanding of like what orientalism looks like in narratives and how it manifests in the associate storyline. They're not only talking about Marine, but also amongst like the Doth Rocky.

We've discussed the lack of them as Sonday, POV, but I'm also just like, what about even the characterization in terms of the agency or political will when it comes to the freedmen, right? We've already discussed that there's a lack of Gisgari, like sympathetic Giscari nobles.

But just as like the Westerosi storyline shows that politics is not merely the will of the nobles, right? We're talking about the Sparrow's movement. We talk about the free folk and the importance of like the will of the masses where is that in esos the only place we see that is amongst the harpies and i just like it doesn't like mirror what it could be and is part of why there's so much difficulty in like deniers's policymaking because like reconstruction post-civil war in terms of civil rights and stuff like and how we set up that

trajectory it could have been successful right like the south carolina state assembly in 1868 was actually a majority black legislature, which will tell you the amount of political power that we should be seeing in Denaries' storyline that we are not. Like, where are the freedmen among her advisors? They're all only Giscari nobles, right? Where are they amongst all the policymakers? And I think, like, progress is possible when communities can identify their needs and are supported in them. So why is she only listening to one community? The one that has historically been the oppressors and has power. If you want to empower the other community, they should be at the table. Why have we not seen that the freedmen have made communities

amongst themselves or like coalitions, right? Because I know that these existed in reconstruction era among black Americans and former slaves. Like, we know that existed. And where is the care that's afforded to these characters and the way that this is a, this is not a perspective unique to me. seen other people bring this up as well, right? The Free Folk storyline, John's storyline, which is meant to mirror this, has so much sympathy built into those characters. And, like, you can argue that it's because it's meant to show John's character, right? And that he tried to assimilate more. And also, he wasn't in a position of power the way that Danny is isolated. But, like, we have, like, three, arguably three other Western Roe CPOVs in ESOS. We have Barestin,

who spends a lot of time amongst, like, the associate and the freedmen. We have Quentin and we have Tyrion, right? And Tyrion's not in a position of power when he's fucking sold off because of George's dumbass. But, like, and all of them reinforce ideas of the associate enslaved wanting this, right? Like, we have it in Tyrion's storyline. And I'm just like, it makes no, it's a historical. It's giving, again, like what we discussed with Gone with the Wind. I'm like, why are they written like this?

Right? Why are the black people written like this? Like, they are happy to be slaves. It's a historical, and I don't even just mean, like, George isn't writing a historical fiction, but it is just untrue of human spirit. I just don't think it's true. If you want to write the human heart in conflict with itself, write the human heart. And I don't see that here.

Like, you have an entire class. We were talking about it before. I'm like, why doesn't she, like, have the slaves do anything? like you have an entire class of freedmen who are not only educated but have been in the room when policymaking is done. That was literally their job perhaps as scribes. None of them

have solutions to your crisis. None of them have skills in trade that they can figure it out because the black Americans had to do it on their fucking own. And like, I think you can explore the flaws of monarchy to address these issues, but I just hate that the freedmen are depicted

as not like helpless. Right? That dehumanizing that when you make them so helpless and incapable and dependent on deniers on these and it makes them, they're complicit in this system and it's just I don't believe it as a reader.

Yeah. And I do think there's also an aspect to it that Danny is trying to get power from the noble class that had power. And it's like she's trying to take that,

but then she's appeasing them and acquessing to their requests. And I don't know, there's also part of it that Dandy's not equipped to create a government there. And she's not, to your point, doing things to create a government there that's equal and balanced and has all voices to actually show, like, what they stand for. She doesn't know what they stand for. Some of it, I think, is definitely an asset of its time of George's writing and maybe somewhere he wasn't ready to go necessarily. in full, but also some of it might be a feature.

Yeah, I think it might be, but it's like, I think part of it is, as you said, he wasn't ready to go there, but I think he wasn't, he didn't intend to stay in Marine this long. Like, not even Danny didn't intend to, George didn't intend to, because he's going to have a five-year gap. And it was going to open with Doznox Pit, right? Like, that was the intended storyline. And I, and, like, the thread that I was talking about, like, explores that pretty well. Like, George just meant that for this to be like a launching pad. And I think by failing to

give it, it that care giving the characters that you reinforce like a shitty narrative. Like he doesn't intend to, but it does. Because I just, I mean, I also don't think Danny is going to come back West governing the whole way. Right. I have a feeling she's going to be doing some other things on the way West with her dragons. Yeah. And that might involve burn and the countryside. So like, and that's cool because like most of the places she's going to burn. I'm like, yeah, get it. But I do think there is an element here also of he didn't want to spend that time there.

And now that he did, it is maybe added a lot of complexity that isn't. Oh, dear. This is coming to the knot, isn't it? We're getting to the knot, everyone. I think that, oh dear. I think this is part of the knot that he's like probably evolved as a person and writer and realized, wow, I wrote this in a really flawed way. and has to, like, probably bring more care to that.

I mean, like, honestly, reading about some of the things that they could have done in reconstruction, like, A, yeah, she should have been using her troops more. But the problem is he made the insullied, like, all brainwashed, right? So, but, like, I don't think that they all are from what we've seen. So, like, doing that, using the Dothraki troops better arming the freedmen, which he does with the brazen bees. It's too wide of a cast, too, you know? It's, like, too wide of a cast. I think that's another issue because you have gray worm, but now gray worm isn't relevant as much, if that makes sense.

I'm not saying he's not relevant, but to get what she needs to get done in Marine, you need a character that is relevant to the Marinese, like you said, on the ground, who has had these experiences, not just nobles. And she is surrounded by the viper pit of nobles of Marines still that are like, Tihi, we aren't slavers. No, we were just really sympathetic and friends with all of the slavers

and made money because of that, but no, we're not slavers. Yeah, it's just, I don't know. Like, that's her cast now and her people. So, like, you need an anchor. You need something else. Yeah. It's just kind of like, and then you have it a little in Volantis, right, with the widow of the waterfront.

But why do they get it? Why isn't it here? Why don't we have that same sort of perspective in terms of showing that here? Because they had to flee the slaving city a long time ago, because they were being killed and worked to death. I'm just like... Those characters?

Yeah. The characters that are alive. Yeah. Some of them did, but they had them all like staying here. I don't know. It's just... Yeah. She just needs somebody that's not a noble of Marine is all...

She needs multiple of them. There's more of them than there are nobles. Yeah. Again, South Carolina legislature. Black majority in 1868. So I'm like, it's... Yeah. It is possible it happened in real history.

It's like such a wide cast and none of them are done deep enough to like where you feel satisfied and characterization buildup and you're missing that element of character. So like it's just a bummer. It's just lazy writing. There's so much going on. And then Quentin's coming. It's too much. It's not even lazy. It's that there was too much.

Yeah. Yeah. He has too many ideas that he needs and wants to get done for her and not enough pages. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these, I guess, perspectives on history weren't as elevated in the.

past and this is like the drawback of arguably george is maybe more of a pop history kind of person so like yeah thank you eliana for your essay thank you thank you everyone for letting me go on this rant a couple more to go get ready uh i like this passage speaking of i just think the language is really nice in it to give to give him a sandwich a little compliment in that sandwich you know love you george uh what is love desire no man with all his parts could ever look on you and not desire you, Denaries. That is not why I would marry you, however. Before you came, Marine was dying.

Our rulers were old men with withered cocks and crones whose puckered cunts were dry as dust. Me, this is so beautiful. They sat atop their pyramids sipping apricot wine and talking of the glories of the old empire whilst the centuries slipped by, and the very bricks of the city crumbled all around them. Custom and caution had an iron grip upon us

until you wakened us with fire and blood. A new time has come, and new things are possible. Marry me. Ooh, okay, Hizdar. I also want you to know that when I read this, I hear Mary Me and Maybe's voice from Arrusted Development. So really what I wanted to do at the end of that was, marry me, but I decided that would be too much.

But I'm telling you about it now. I think he'd sing it with like a similar kind of energy as her anyway. Marry me, right? And then he's trying to get promoted, same as maybe. It just keeps getting promoted. Oh, my God. Babysit me. Yeah, I don't know.

I just liked it. I thought it was really well written, and I like what he's saying about. It's not unlike the undying, right? It's evocative of the house of the undying in a way, and of Carth and of the greats and ancient sitting there while the city crumbles around them, while they are the ghosts doing nothing,

yet they have control of the city. Like, yeah, it shouldn't be them in control. Yeah. And I guess there's not something. something American about that in a way, too, right? You have all of these old motherfuckers up top that are, like, senile. It's elder abuse every day on TV for us. We're like, damn, you guys are abusing these old men to, like, shoot them up with shots of,

like, adrenaline and fucking steroids all the time to make them go on TV. Also, they probably don't know what they did at 2 p.m. today, you know, like, it's very sad. Like, I have a little bit of sympathy, even if I fucking hate our Supreme Rule. Like, at least there's a little sympathy to, like, I don't know, dude, if I'm that old, And I'm accomplished in any sort of way. I'd hope I was retired and able to spend my time with my loved ones and, like, live in the world that was good that I created.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. I know that's not possible. But, you know, those are the things you'd want at that point, and you're supposed to be able to give that to the next generation. And, like, that's a big thing in Westeros and with the kings that shouldn't probably be ruling anymore that have seen their time. You know, it's a big issue with the monarchy and also with government and the U.S. of people that sit atop that for far too long

and everything's crumbled around you and you've done nothing because you were stuck in the old times of how you used to govern and rule. That doesn't work anymore because times have evolved and things have evolved. Really great. Just a great passage. Yeah, I mean, like, not to be, I guess, ageist and abelous, but I think if you have brain verbs,

you shouldn't, like, be, if you're older and have literal brain verbs, like, maybe you shouldn't be making health policy anyway. Yeah, also, like, they lie every year on their health exams anyways, like, Who said that the man in charge right now should be in charge, knowing his hell history? Who said that? Oh, he's A-plus.

He's doing great. Keep him rolling. Keep him rolling. Nope. Get him to look at the camera again, please. Thank you. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Like, fucking the freezing of Mitch McConnell. But anyways, the line here, though, of what is love, desire, no man with all his parts could ever look on you and not desire you. It's weird because she's like 15. But if you imagine that she wasn't, which I think George was like, like she's going to be older at this point, and she wasn't... It's fun also in the context of later in this chapter, and she's like, I gotta look pretty for Dario.

She's like, but what if he doesn't want me? Hmm. Oh, everyone wants you, child bride. Oh, my God. Don't feel bad little dragon girl. He's also like, but that's not why I watch you. It is like, as you said, it's a good, it's a good speech, even though he's part of the KKK.

Yeah. It's not unlike, like, Tyrion Sansa's, you know, little like what if I never want you oh then yeah and I mean like it's it's honest it's honest and authentic in a way which is this is probably the most authentic time they will ever have together everything else in their marriage is a fucking life it's almost like that scene that the one good thing maybe or one of the few good things david and dan gave us between sercy and robert sercy and robert yeah well he kisses her because she's like kiss me and although his speech is dazzling and he's like, as you said, really builds up this moment.

Denarius feels nothing. He gives her like a very, very soft kiss. And maybe he's just polite. I don't know. She feels no sparkle in her badge, no heat in the thighs. These are all Chloe's language. The stomach's not doing jumping jacks. She's dry.

I just want you to know that this poetry came from Chloe. You're welcome. Better than the life of a show. showgirl lyrics. Yeah, still better than life of the showgirls. Better than talking about Travis Kelsey's dick. I'm going to hyperventilate.

Where's my vape? I'm allowed to say that. I went to the 1989 tour, so I'm allowed to say that. I'm allowed to critique my own people. I don't know. Comedy's over, and so is free speech. Anyways, this is a start, though. You know, she realizes that no man.

going to make her feel that way. Not while she loves Dario. But all is not lost. His d'ar doesn't really have a real answer. She's like, what are you going to do if I decide to go home to Westrose? He's like, IDK yet. But like, you know, let's figure out today before we figure out tomorrow, baby girl. But you know what? That's okay. She's excited. Resnack, Mo Resnack is going to rejoice because he's going to have a wedding to plan. And the idea alone might like make him leave her the fuck alone at court. So she's like, hell yeah, relief. Like just getting through today, baby. after his dar leaves

who appears but Sir Barriston immediately looking like he disapproves clearly he already knows. He counsels her there's a third choice here a secret third thing. You don't have to marry that guy. You could just go to Westeros and get

your throne. He's like Marines never going to accept his dar as king. Lingering here is only hurting your true claim and Danny's like no I literally have to stay here and heal Marine. Like I cannot leave Marine yet. And then out of nowhere, she's like,

can you tell me about my brother and his wife Elia? Was that love, or was it duty? He hesitates, and he's like, well, the prince was really fond of her. And in her head, she's like, fond, got it, understood, says a lot. She thinks, I guess I could grow fond of his dar in time. Yeah, I mean, I guess he did say, maybe I could bring you peace. I don't know. I just think it's funny that she gave his dar

one fiscal quarter 90 years we loved talking before firing him yeah here on the girls got kidding podcast we are down

quarter after quarter as the CFO how do you answer these charges well bullet to the head kidding it was a killing CEO joke I feel

glossing over that beat this is really interesting later compared to like Barriston's passage where he's like, oh, poor Quentin, you're so ugly. Girls will never like you like that, you know, like they think you're mud.

Just like Ashara Dane felt that one time to me. You know, I'm just projecting. I'm projecting onto Barry projecting. Sorry, but yeah, it's a hard job to have to tell a 15-year-old that love isn't real when you're a ruler, like that you don't necessarily get to have love. so he's about to give her kind of a story of her ancestry to help her maybe start to piece together that love for a ruler is different.

I also like that here he's telling her to go to Westrose and we just had Tyrion telling Egon in this book, go to Westrose and don't get married to your aunt. So similar approach, they both are urging them to go. I also like that you get a little bit of Tyrion, you know, when he gives into his sexual desire and is raping that slave, that bed servant. And she is also giving into her desire with Dario, which is interesting.

So kind of fun parallels. Yeah, I guess with the example that he does bring up, right? He's like, because he's going to talk about the prophecy for a second. And it does kind of go to like, yeah, the one time we let someone marry for love. Ficked it all up. Everything went to shit. Everyone fucking burned. And also some creepy lady showed up.

Yeah, that's kind of what happened. Anyways. Yeah. He tells her of her mother and father and their wedding and that there was no fondness there and yeah, creepy lady, a certain woods witch that told her grandfather the prince that was promised would be of their line

and so marriage it was and yeah I mean to what you're saying Berson's trying to be like look a lot of them didn't marry for love like your parents didn't fucking marry for love right, he doesn't say that outright but like they didn't and because she's so focused on regar and it's like dude you're

mother was forced to marry your father and he fucking beat her, essentially. And, like, De Neri's actually fascinatingly has more agency in her partner at this point in her life. Like, obviously she didn't in book one, right? But she has more agency to do that than like almost anyone in her previous family members. Like, I would say even Egan the Concord didn't have that. That's why he had to marry Vesnia. He's like, I don't really like my older sister, but culture dictates that I have to. Yeah, that's a great dynamic you've pulled out. I didn't even really necessarily think of how, like, the duty, like, there really aren't, I mean,

Egg 5, who obviously is significant in this chapter in a second. And in the beginning of this episode, he overall, talking about a night of the seven kingdoms. Isn't that crazy how culturally relevant it is right now? Wow, topical. We're so good at this. Oh, my God. We planned for that press release to go out. It's hard being us.

Yeah, there's something really, I don't know, it is sad, right? Like, you see why Egan's kids, Egg 5's kids all were like, fuck you, dad. And they were like, let's rip it apart because that's really my embarrassing in was growing up. And when I say growing up, I don't mean a teenager. Like, I also mean in your 20s because that's when you start. to actually grow up sometimes. Some people don't ever. But Barriston sure probably did. He became Kingsguard at 23, right? I was doing the math. Summer Hall, he was 27. So this time of history for Barriston would have been fundamentally influential to him. It would have meant a lot to him in his

beginning years in the Kingsguard. And here he responds that the same Woods Witch that came to court with with Jenny of Old Stones. The other goes to high heart was there. And when asked what became of her, Barriston responds darkly summer hall.

So, do, do, do. Barriston's own guilt is brought up, which feels really poignant for him in this chapter and how he speaks to Danny, right, and how he advises her to keep in mind his own guilt.

Dunk would have probably been an important mentor, right, to him for the last four years before this. Yeah. And of course, like, while we all really are dying to know more, like fucking dying to know more about Summerhall, we get ink splotched here as well. Barriston is like, oh, by the way, Dario has returned with the storm crows. And Danny's like, oh, great, can this story wait till later?

Because I need to get my dick wet. Thank you. And she like sends for him. And I don't know, it's very sad because you have that. that beautiful, like, Summer Hall is the loveboat Targ Summerhouse, right? Like, that's, like, where they spent their summers or they went there to, like, you know, for special events, like, you know, blowing up a bunch of eggs to try to bring dragons back and do a blood sacrifice.

But, and it's also been the Dornish marches, which is where Barrists and Selmy's from over that area. I know we only list Dunk as being a Kingsguard there. It could be fun if George decides to garden in Selmy being there. or some shit, but I don't think that he will at this point. I don't think there's A, time, and B, there's a couple reasons not to send him there, right? Like, too close to his home and he was a young Kingsguard? What if he was just like,

peace, I'm never coming back, fuck you? Or, what if they didn't want him there because of the blood ritual that was about to take place? I don't know, you know? Dunk had a lot of trust in the family. So, also, he likely wasn't initiated enough, right? 27, young, he's only been in the Kingsguard. a few years.

The real shit for Barry comes in 10 years, 20 years, right? Like Duskendale, for example. And I don't know, you can imagine that Dunk would have had a big effect on Barristan and his dying. I think of other mentors we've talked about often like Serio Pharrell or John and his father's dunk's death affected Westeros in so many ways. And his undying loyalty to the Targaryans, to the family was, you know, I mean, we hear of all the stories, all the Dunkin' Egg stories to come in history.

I don't know, there's something going on here with that. It's why, to me, like, Barriston switching sides again doesn't really necessarily work because he's doing a lot of what Dunk did for Egg, full loyalty, looking the other way when it doesn't necessarily align with his beliefs, all because he believes in DeNaris and what she is and what she stands for and supporting her. So I think there's something going on there. That's a good point of, like, he's trying to stand by. Thank you.

And by, like, dunk. And, yeah, you're right. I think that would have, like, really fucked him up. I will say, like, briefly, are we the Woods Witches that prophesied that the news would drop so soon around our Danny coverage? I don't know. But, yeah, I mean, those are formative years from him. Like, it's the era that he would have been in, like, for the show girls, you know? He's the same age as Lena.

Dunham's character and he's learning to I've created a monster That's it That's it That's what I have for you Thank you Wow

She's just a girl's He's just a girls Anyways I was trying to decide which one I think he is I think he's a Shoshana I don't know I don't really know I'm not keep going

Next Next The Neri's begins Scattering her maids around to help her slay all day and look a maze when Dario arrives, thinking she wants to look like starlight and sea foam

and she asks for flowers for her hair and she also wants to wear the gray pearl bodice gown. And I do think that's really interesting because I'm like, isn't this the one that you wore last chapter that you're like, I hate this? She asks for her lion pelt too and then she sets herself up and it reminds me of like share and clueless

when she sets herself up before Christian comes over the um guy um and she's all like fancy awaiting him like on her fainting couch super posed you know wait i don't know that this is the one she wore last chapter i think i got confused this is cat i'm thinking of cat and this is wedding dress oh yeah you are i am thinking about yeah my bad everyone i was like i didn't notice that last time but i mean hey there's a lot of similar stuff we were talking about in our catching fire episode right like caged in innocence and like purity yeah my bad Like an oyster. I got confused.

To get to re-parl. Because we did that just a few days ago. Well, yes. I love what you've likened it to here, share and clueless. That's having another, I mean, that's having a comeback like every four years. So that's not really special for me to say that. I rerew watch it like every year.

Yeah, it's every year. I guess it's not a comeback. It's just like, it's just a classic. It never left, baby. Yeah, it's a classic. I take it all back. So. I knew it.

Yeah. You could go out there and like whatever you're wearing now and he would still want you based on his dar's comments. Anyways, Dario arrives swaggering beneath a half moon, dressed in Gotti's silks, and armed with an rock and Saletto. And it sounds to me like he's red dyed his beard. It used to be blue. Yeah. It's purple now. Every time he comes back, it's changed, I feel like, which is kind of fun. It's like, Circa Chloe, like, seven years ago. Do you think that he's doing for Danny what she's doing for him? Like, he's like, I got to look really good for Denarius, right? And he's also

I think he's like, I want to look like I'm clothed in starlight and seafoom or, I don't know, I want to look garbed in jewels, so I'm going to dye my hair right before meeting her. He's like, I'm going to get a blowout before I meet up with the queen. He's crazy like I am. He's like cut my bang and dye my hair a different color. Now I feel like my emotional breakdown is over. I get to go see my girl. Real.

I do think that's what's going through his head. He's so sensitive. He actually is kind of. No. In his own way. Yeah. Dineries doesn't feel that way about their dialogue. here but that's just because he's like he is just looking out for her in a way like he flatters

danny brags of the victories in lazar and against the long lances and reports the losses and gains that's cfo coded too he claims several captured men uh preferred to join uh the storm crows and son of die and danny's like well are you sure that they're not youngish spies and i thought it was kind of fun she offers him a pair a fruit right very uh offering the fruit eve to adam but also she thinks that the girl in her wants to kiss him but the queen says she must not and we've probably discussed this before somewhere but there is very much a difference between what's expected of a queen's use of power versus a kings because I feel like we've seen a lot of kings that would not second guess this at all they would feel actually more entitled to the bodies

of their subjects not like they have to preserve that sort of purity um or idea of fidelity not purity necessarily because obviously they know she's had sex but also yeah it's how the dragons came out that's true that's true no um triplets there's this hilarious line here also where dario says do you think a spy would wear such a beard about one of the people who joined him and i thought that that was really funny because a it sounds like a critique of the fashion choices would be it's a good point of like dude a spy is not going to do something that's so that brings so much attention to him like that. But through that you can really see the subtleties of like that fear

of the prophecy that she did actually hear and that we the reader actually saw coming through. Unlike glazing galare. Oh my God. Galausing over that. Thank you. I've been holding that one in a while. They've been blazing her. But also the it's transcended from her like repeating the prophecy

and her thoughts to now it's in everything she does which I think is such a great way to show her paranoia. She's hyper-focused on it. Yeah. What if you picked one of the books that you received in Nairis and hyper-focused on that instead, speaking from experience? Yeah, that-Nazanax, girlfriend. Yeah. That-Nazanax.

I can fix her. Oh, my God. Dario reassures her and is like, look, I'll bring you their heads if you want. Like, if that's what you want, babe, I'll hook it up. And Danny tells him the river and the sea have been closed. There's Carthene presence in the bay. And Drogon's also gone. And also her dragons are getting a little savage down in the pit.

Dario counsels her and he tells her like, look, attack. Ruthless clarity. When you're surrounded by foes, start striking the weakest one and ride through. I mean, yeah, that's when I'm overwhelmed. That's kind of how I, like, plan attack, you know? Yeah. Kill what you can. Yeah.

Is this a CK2-3 thing as well, what you're telling me? I mean, just tasks, you know, like, if I can't, you know, if you be anxious or depressed, like, do what you can, bro. Do the big, like, the smallest thing you can. Like, pick up one item. That's true. You will feel healed. Yeah. It will start you.

And then, like, after doing all that, he says, like, then escape, and she's like, where should I escape to? And he, I love his audacity. He goes into my bed, into my arms, into my arms, into my. heart. And I'm like, wow. All right. It's beautiful. All right. But as you were saying, right, like, there's an aspect in which Dario's strategy isn't wrong. I don't think by weakest we mean the children. No, like the easiest, like, who's the easiest one to kill off right now? And I do think, I do think he's right. That's it. Yeah. Dario urges her to kill the men who cast the shadows. Bad news. It's a woman.

seize the pyramids and their treasures and then use the upcoming wedding as a trap invite the great masters to the temple of the graces and loose the storm crows upon them ooh interesting we've seen this recently right in a different way the red wedding

also it's fun it makes me wonder did D&D actually play with this a little bit idea wise but with Kings Landing with the sept blowing up. Yeah, kind of fun. I think so a little. Laying the groundwork for some religious explosions as all. Oh, true.

Yeah, good point. Yeah, I think we don't need to do the full like red wedding thing, but the whole like seize the pyramids in their treasures and redistribute them. Yes, comrade. Well, no, I think like he's right. Like, he's right. That is absolutely what they should have done. That is what that's also.

Should have done it from the start. That's what experts say like they should have done regarding like reconstruction era as well. Take the plantations. Yeah, seize the land, they're redistributed it to the freedmen. Yeah. Anyways, I'm just saying. Danny recoils at the brutality, though. I'm like, we don't have to do the full thing.

There are gems in here. Dario, Dario calls Kings and Queens butchers. But Danny refuses to become the butcher king. We have this passage that stood out to me. Dario shrugged. Most queens have no purpose but to warm some king's bed and pop out sons for him. if that's the sort of queen you mean to be best marry his dar her anger flashed have you forgotten who i am no have you ooh ooh the dragons know dario knows but do you denaris but can denari see my kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch oh my god

you know those when we get to ten it's going to be great to really break it down because a lot of what she's subconsciously hearing when she's delirious stuff that's been told to her throughout the whole book by various people, and this is one of them. Honestly, I think it was kind of dumb to make Dario, like, I didn't love the way they made him, like, a former slave or whatever, a gladiator fighter in the show. But if that is actually his background, it actually makes sense. It makes sense some of his perspective in this, too. It could have given it a lot more weight if it was something that mattered. Like, I could see, I don't know, I can see some of, Daria would have been great to have had that background already in order to give us, like we were saying, the sympathizer of some sort of somebody who's also been through it that's actually in a more formal role.

But, like, it's not a bad idea. It's just, I think maybe I just in like the execution now looking back on it. Yeah. Because it felt retroactive. Yeah, and it didn't mean anything, as you said, right? And I feel like it could work here in a way. Yeah, with all this. Sometimes they have things that could work.

They just never. Yeah. They don't execute. And then I'm going to give like my life advice. I don't know how old. Some of you are young to listen to this podcast. Oh, brother. This is just my life advice.

All right, because Denneres is worried that Dario is going to think that she's wanton if she pulls him into her bed. And first of all, this is definitely a real worry that people have, but I will say any man who feels that way about you. It's not worth it. Second, Dario's like, I want her.

I want her to be wanton. And that's what I think part of what you respect about him is. You know, that's what he wants. And I love that. But also, what is with all the disparagement

about butchers? I think a butchery is a perfectly honest living that one can make. And like, I briefly considered it as a life path once and then I realize I don't think I have the physical strength for it. It's like hard on the body. It is hard on the body.

It's also like a dying profession. So highly recommend like supporting your local butcher whenever you can because all of it has turned to like production and manufactured and processing. But support your local butcher whenever you can and put your money in their pockets because they deserve it. But yeah, it's interesting like I guess the idea of them being butcher's. kind of almost saying they're the top of the food chain, but they're obviously not, like, butchers are not.

Yeah. They're just, like, literally not. Yeah. It's interesting, too, because, like, an actual butcher would denote, like, lower class in their society, and they're referring to it as somebody who's evil and, like, would pull bodies apart and cleave them, you know, like, they're trying. Yeah, it's just funny. It's a funny, like, there's a term for it, and I can't think of what it is, but it's being

misused and it's very funny. Like, they've tried to adopt it for some. reason. They're trying to be, like, crass about it. Like, I think of Ramsey, you know, they talk about how you wield something like a butcher, but I'm also just like, butchers are providers, you know? Like, I think of the idea of a neighborhood butcher, and I'm like, I love, and I, we kind of, I've had a used to go to one. I love the, like, what is it? It's a misnomer, you know? The, the way you can request exactly what you want in terms of the part, the amount, and if you want it ground. Yeah, the customization. Yeah, the customization, literally. That's the

word I was looking for. I love that. Yeah. The butcher rocks. Them using butcher as a derogatory kind of phrase to like symbolize somebody being evil and like a demon pulling things apart and blah blah blah.

It's just a misnomer and it's kind of funny that they've adopted a lower class misnomer in this like it makes you think. Yeah. Like oh what butcher really fucked with a royal wants to have it become a popular phrase? That's true.

Yeah. So I just think I don't think this is like this is like This isn't a criticism. I'm just like... No, I just think it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Dario presses himself and his desire against Deneres.

Whoa. She feels both girl and queen in these moments. She denies him, though, and then decides to order the storm crows return to field duty away from the city. Not the edging. Dario must report to Barriston, and on no account may he be admitted to her presence because her pussy cannot handle it. She rewards his men, but bars him. from her chambers. That night, she cannot sleep, and she summons Erie instead, hoping for some comfort.

Auga, but then pushes the Dothraki girl away. We have an ending line here of, Eri was sweet and soft and willing, but she was not Dario. What have I done? She thought, huddled in her empty bed. Well, there's that post-d clarity. I have waited so... I wish I had the clear blue.

this is the most like clarity in this uh ending chapter ending of this chapter i've waited so long for him to come back and i send him away he would make a monster of me she whispered a butcher queen but then she thought of drogan far away and the dragons in the pit there is blood on my hands too and on my heart we are not so different dario and i we are both monsters Hmm Not the post-narty It's actually what's happening here Once more comparing herself

To her dragons as monsters But also to Dario as a monster Accepting him almost as part of her pack Right As a dragon himself Really interesting two chapters in a row She's really helping push that end of book theme Where she accepts who she is

Accepting she's a dragon but she's still trying to hide her nature in the front here trying to make herself smaller and meeker in some ways and I don't know if I have this very cohesive way of putting these thoughts I don't know about this comparison but you know I think a lot of young women a lot of young people go through changing themselves to try to fit to others to fit inside the glove others want you to fit within right many people go through this but not a lot of people go through this for a city

for a people right a lot of us go through it for like a guy who's ass smells or like, you know, like, who doesn't respect you and plays too much Xbox, like for shitty reasons, not like going through it because you really want to help a whole city, you know, thrive, live, be free. Usually, you know, you go through these things in hopes to receive unconditional love, right, that you don't feel deserving of from whether a person, whether familial, romantic. But Danny is doing that for a whole people. And turns out the answer is to not make yourself smaller. The best way to help those people is to...

Be a dragon. Actually, though, literally. And, like... You're talking about how she's seeing them as both monsters. It's like what you said earlier, and, like, it really hits home now of, like, yeah, that's Tyrion's storyline, him being like, yeah. Okay, you all see me as a monster. Fuck it. I'll be that...

Armour yourself in it. right and that's essentially where her story comes to in Danny Ten of like armor yourself in it yeah besides mirroring Tyrion's storyline there is a little bit of a mirror too with Johns of like sending people away right the way that she sends Darya away even though you're you know feeling drawn to someone that maybe you shouldn't be drawn to for him in Eagrit also there's like John sending Sam away and honestly him oh wait I don't know yet how it all fits together, but monster, which is what they call Gilly's child that he baby swapped

and is holding on to and probably not doing a very good job of having being cared for, but whatever, that baby might die. Sending, sending Torio back into the field. I don't know. Something about it feels a little bit like David and Bathsheba's husband, but I don't think there's really much there. But also I wonder, okay, speaking of like eight. and his wives.

I'm making tinfoil here. I wonder what if there's something here around what happened with Egan and Rainey's when she went to Dorn. And he was like, I'm big mad right now for some reason. And he sent her back out into battle. I don't know.

Interesting. Yeah, I could see something like that. It is like, there is something interesting there in how she chose or like her duty became Dorn and like each time like obviously being defeated made her also really want to go back and lead the charge probably the first time, but also

the first time. Yeah, I don't know. I'm making things up. I do hope we get that show. Yeah. I know a lot of people think that show is like really like basic and they don't want it, but also I kind of do. So I don't, I don't love the idea that it could work. I think they just like have to do it in a way that's compelling or interesting. But I would prefer that still over Robert's Rebellion. Like I don't. Oh yeah. I don't want that. We should not. We should not get the depiction of Robert's rebellion. Let it live in our hearts and our souls and our heads because that's the point.

The point is not having those answers. It's a point. Don't give it to me. I agree. Like the point, as you said, that's the point. Furthermore, unless we're making it into a musical. Yes, exactly. In which we have a whole portion of the Battle of the Bells with handbells. That's the vision. And that is the only version

I will accept. Robert is here. Robert is here. All we're here at the peach, ding, ding, ding, peach. Well, that about wraps us up for De Neri's 4. Thanks for letting us ring our bells at you for a moment. No, that sounds weird because it's used in the very sexual context that when she says, you can ring my bell. Which is also disco.

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