Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 269 — ADWD Daenerys VII
Episode Date: October 31, 2025Daenerys finds that Frog and his friends have come an awful long way just to be wedding crashers. Mentioned in the episode: Mighty Isobel's post on floppy ears ---- Eliana's reddit account: https://w...ww.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage
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Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canaan reads A Song of Ice and Fire, Episode 269, De Neri's 7 in a Dance with Dragons.
I'm one of your hosts, Chloe.
And I am another one of your host, Eliana, and it is episode 269.
You remove that too, and I do believe a non-zero amount of 69 has happened this episode.
And by that, I mean this chapter, not the episode, Jesus Christ.
Nice.
Nice to the second, to the 200.
I can't do math.
It's too late for math.
And it's too late for Danny, too.
She's about to get married.
She really doesn't want to, but she thinks it might fix things.
Yeah.
You should never just get married because you think it's going to fix things, is maybe a truth to grapple with.
I'm just, like, worried of, like, this is the advice I need to tell people right now, but also, funny enough, yeah.
No, I agree.
I thought a friend was about to start sending me wedding invites, and I was like, you weren't even dating someone when I saw you, like, a bit ago.
I was like, am I going to have to, like, do an intervention?
But turns out she was getting ready to send holiday cards.
It was holiday cards, which is cute.
That's fun.
Are the holiday cards joint as the couple?
I don't think so.
I don't think she's dating anyone, and I was just worried.
Thank God that I wed myself off when I did, because I can't have you worrying about me my whole life, you know?
And I was trouble.
I used to be trouble.
Well, that's why Danny's getting married off today, another, a child bride in our life to Neri.
She's having her second marriage.
her second marriage and maybe not her last you know they say three rings you must wear or whatever
I didn't finish those books is this an ariana grante talk oh my god if you're a patron in our
stranger tier and above hey you got an episode every month a bonus episode and this month
it is catching fire the enemy that's act three part one uh it's
It is the next installment of our Hunger Games coverage.
We will be pausing on Hunger Games next month because we'll be putting out our annual
Gossip Girls Gone Canon Thanksgiving episode.
Yes, annual.
That means it's happening every year.
You all asked for this repeatedly.
We aren't going to reveal the proof of that, but you did ask for it.
We're telling you that.
We felt it.
We heard you in our hearts.
Ask for it.
I'm excited.
Season two Thanksgiving.
It's going to be good.
We're in the juice of things.
We'll talk about everything from season one and two
and maybe talk about the ending
because if you are listening to this episode,
you've probably watched All of Gossip Girl.
Or you really like us and that's cool too.
That's awesome.
I hope we're entertaining.
Are you watching Nobody Wants This, Chloe?
I am.
It's warmed up after the first few season two episodes.
The first couple episodes, I was like, oh, brother.
but I'm back in now. I'm getting to mid-season. I'll hopefully have finished it by this weekend and we can discuss.
Yeah, not nearly as good, but I just was like, hopefully this isn't too much of a spoiler, but Leighton Meester appears. I was like, huh, how fun.
I've heard this. I've heard this.
This was apt for us to discuss Gossip Girl. That's about it.
Because everybody wants that. Everyone wants.
Late and Meester and more things. I actually legitimately do want Leighton Meester and more things. I do think everybody wants this.
I think we talked about this a little bit.
in our Thanksgiving episode maybe last year
because we love Layton Meester
but like she got really fucked because of the whole
like pushing the music career during this
and that it didn't go off and then
yeah I feel for her like girl
Layton if you're out there not listening to us
just know I'm thinking of you
yeah if I think it's time for her
to make her screen come back
you know and I see why she tried to do the music career
they all thought that's what you were supposed to do back then
because some of them yeah that was the method
yeah thought that was the method but turns out
it wasn't.
Yeah.
It didn't work for everyone.
It was the formula.
Behind you for it to work.
And it came with a big price of, I mean, like, they all paid the price of their mental
health anyway, but big price.
Danny's mental health, also a big price in all this.
Yeah, she's also like a pop star, honestly.
Yeah, she actually is.
There's a whole other tangent I'm not going into because we're literally not through the
intro yet.
Yeah, that's true.
Just no, there is one that I'm withholding.
Uh, November 23rd.
Discord brunch slash happy hour.
Probably.
What do we call that?
Brapy hour.
What do we call that in our world?
We, we.
Again, everyone asked for us to come up with this name.
Brapia hour.
This is an ass.
I didn't even want this.
For.
Nobody wants this.
The people, they sew banners in secret waiting for Brat Bia hour to be announced as the name.
Yeah.
Right now, it's looking.
like November 23rd Sunday
2 to 4 p.m.
Most likely. E.T. Phone home.
Yeah. Most likely. If anything changes,
we will let you know through
Oh my God. It will be.
It really will be. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?
Wow. I love when that happens. Love it.
Phone home. E.T. Phone home.
Yeah. We did get a good
comment on Patreon from our friend.
We've actually gotten a lot of really good comments from people.
Yeah. And I do want to pull them.
I do want to pull them in.
This one I just wanted to address from our friend, Tanna,
who reminded all of us that, you know,
many Targaryians did acquire the Great Spring Sickness
in regards to whether or not Targaryens are plagued
by the same pestilences as common men.
They did.
I do want to flag.
I thought about this in the moment.
I was like, should I bring it up?
And I decided not to.
There's also the other Danaries who died of the shivers,
which at the time of fire and blood releasing,
many were like, what does this mean?
Like, is this foreshadowing for something, George?
Like, I see you.
But anyways, just didn't bring them up because I feel like
I wanted to keep it De Neri's focus
because she's like clearly built a little different
than some of the other Targaryens.
Like, clearly she's different from Viseries, right?
So I kind of wanted to focus it on her own experiences and her illnesses
and like, obviously she gets fucking ill
because whatever she experiences later in this book
is something I too have experienced.
Not like dysentery, just, you know, shitting my brains
out. Oh my god. We can't we can't go down like the poop. Oh my god. Last episode was really
proof heavy. No, we need to save this for Danny 10. I'm sorry. No, that's true. Like I'm, I, when I was
listening back to editing it. We were saving this for Danny 10. No poop until Danny 10. We're so
sorry. We're so sorry. Yeah, it was like very heavily. So when I was editing it, I was like,
what the fuck was that episode? I do also like, thank you, Tana for saying, saying these beautiful,
wonderful things in a comment because
I do love
thinking about that outer rich
history that we get little bits of
that's so wonderful
I actually was just putting
I was just putting our fire and blood signed copies
from when we saw George last
on the bookshelf yeah
even though I have fire and blood
twice
you have like a lot of well yeah you have like
four copies of fire and blood does anyone
need a copy actually if
If you want a copy, let me know.
I don't know if I have it twice for no reason.
We might have, did we give one away?
I don't remember.
I think we did.
Mine's not twice for no reason.
Thank you very much.
Yeah.
We did give one.
I think you got rid of the one, the extra one.
Yeah, because I had an extra one for some reason.
Yeah, because we went to the last event and you had to get a signed book for the last event with him.
That's why we have the extras.
Because we went to both the first Fire and Blood event where we got our books then.
And the second one, where we got our books then.
Yeah, I forgot.
They were just giving them out like hotcakes, like hot pies.
Yeah, just handing them out.
But it's rough because the second ones aren't as not, like, aren't the same as, I like the first edition.
I think it's very fun.
Yeah, it's like a first edition Charzard.
Yeah, and the second one is cool because it's different.
It's black instead.
So that's kind of fun.
And like, I can't wait to see what happens with blood and fire for that exact reason,
because it'll be probably blackfiring.
because he didn't know it was blood and fire
when we got the first edition.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, that was a new thing that happened later.
We didn't know yet.
He didn't know.
No, he literally didn't know.
It came to him.
Yeah.
But my second one is signed
and I don't think my first one signed.
So I can't get rid of the second one.
Yeah.
You see?
Obviously.
Yeah.
It's rough.
It's rough.
Unless I take my first one and get that signed.
I thought my first one...
I thought our first ones were signed.
Are they?
I don't think they are.
No, I think they are.
You better look.
I don't know if I have it here.
It might be at my mother's.
Okay, I have to look for mine.
I'll have to figure it out.
I'll have to figure it out.
This is so fucked up.
Anyways, 80th tangent.
Again, we're still in the intro.
Yeah.
It's such a horrible thing happening to me and Eliana.
All these signed copies of fire and blood.
It's terrible.
Oh, my gosh.
The house is just like burning down with fire and blood.
Oh, my God.
Uh, shout out to our friend Mary, who sent a wonderful, wonderful video of her 12-year-old lab,
whose name is Turtle eating a pancake.
That was incredible.
I really loved that.
Thank you.
Um, nothing else to really write home about.
I just really enjoyed watching that dog eat a pancake and that its name is Turtle.
I love that.
And we hadn't heard from Mary in a while, so it was nice to hear it from you, Mary.
Thanks for writing in.
Yeah.
I remember that.
This was awesome.
What a, I like, that's just a strong name also for a, for a dog.
I know, turtle.
Yeah, so good.
You know what?
Shout out our friend, Zach, our friend weed, detective Zach always sends me videos of his
turtle eating stuff to speak of turtles, like a real turtle, not a dog named turtle.
I love watching turtles eat things.
Yeah.
That maw that opens very slowly.
Oh, my God.
It's a little beak.
Oh.
It's incredible.
Okay, you guys.
All right.
Speaking of pets.
My partner has brought me some bourbon that is specifically a special Dodgers makers mark one because you guys, this is how much I care and how dedicated I am to the podcast, the World Series.
It's on right now.
Yeah, we're recording during the World Series.
I do, I have to tell you, we're in a split household because I support you, therefore I support the Dodgers, right?
Like support women.
And my roommate supports the Blue Jays because he says.
as fuck the Dodgers.
Oh, I thought it was because of the New York connection, because they're close by.
No, no.
The very territorial household right now, I'm only, I would also probably be saying go Blue Jays
if I didn't love you.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Because of feminism.
Wow.
It would be anti-woman of me to not like the Dodgers.
Oh, my God.
So, all right.
I always thought, and like, this is true.
If you know the dynamic, we have not started the episode.
If you know the dynamic, Chloe is Egan, Egan the Conquer.
And her roommate is Rainey's and I'm Vesnia.
Like, that's just how it is.
But today, I feel a little like Rainey's in that you chose me.
Ten nights.
Oh, my God.
She chooses to spend it with me.
Baseball season is hell.
I don't know what I'm feeling also.
Like, the fills are out, obviously, because they did what they do every year, which is they forgot how to.
It's okay.
And it's not you guys' fault that they're out.
They did what they do every year.
They forgot how to hit a ball in October.
That happens every year, like without fail.
So I'm just, like, used to it, and I just have to get my hopes not up.
But I will say, go motherfucking birds.
Did you see that shit?
Sorry, George.
They killed the Giants.
Oh, oh.
It was awesome.
It was great.
So, go birds.
Actually, my parents are visiting, and when they visit, I bought some birds gear for them.
They don't know yet.
I can't wait.
I remember, no, no, no.
You told me you were going to do this, and I told, yeah, I told people, I was like,
oh, what is this cute thing Chloe is doing?
It's a cute prank, you know?
There's time for, I don't, they're country mice.
I don't want them getting hurt in the city.
Yeah, Chloe also, they need to wear birds gear.
But, like, I, you know, you get to just, like, make your own path as a person in the world,
and I've decided that I'm an Eagles fan.
Yeah, you're a bird's fan.
Yeah, yeah.
So Chloe also bought me an Eagle sweater.
E, A, G, L, E, S,
Eagle
Eliana
No, but
E, L-I-A-N-A
Eliana
What happens in our lightning round
every episode
Well, we go through
the chapters between the previous
POV chapter and this one
And so we're going to kick it off
With the Prince of Winterfell
In which Arias Stark
what's Ramsey Bolton
Syke
Not true
I thought we were going for like a psych
I mean you could have done it how you could have read it
however your heart desired
I thought that's so true
The Watcher
Baylon Swan brings a piece of mind
to Sunspear
I was a real laugh on my part I was like I know
thank you
The next stage of the Dornish plan
begins.
We get to see some of it here.
Wow.
This is a big plan.
John 8.
I don't know if he really did,
but he certainly tried to.
John 8.
John sends vowed north to bring
Tormond and his followers south.
His officers object to his policies
regarding the free folk and give
more whites cause to rise
in the winter wind.
Ooh.
Tyrion 9.
Tyrion and Penny joust on the pretty pig,
and later they actually start to hold down a nice conversation
until a storm hits the ship,
scattering them until they're picked up by a slaver ship.
The turn cloak.
In the Winterfell crypts,
Barbary tells Rieke where her bloody loyalties lie.
Ah, the king's prize.
Asha is presented to Stannis,
which goes pretty much how you imagine.
Over the course of the chapter,
the king becomes more skeleton-like
and supplies dwindle.
It's a parallel to here,
which is Deneres 7.
Dorn arrives too late to save the queen
from wedding his dar.
And Dario can't save her either.
Don't save her.
She don't want to be saved.
Don't save her.
She don't want to be saved.
Don't save her.
She don't want to be saved.
Thank you for understanding.
be safe. She don't want to be safe. Thank you. Um, a secret alliance pact is revealed to Denarius between
Dorn and the crown. This crown specifically. Danny marries his star. We open the chapter with
The candle was almost gone. Less than an inch remained jutting from a pool of warm, melted wax
to cast its light over the queen's bed. The flame had begun to gutter. It will go out before
much longer, Danny realized. And when it does, another night will be at its end. Dawn always came
too soon. She had not slept, could not sleep, would not sleep. She had not even dared to close her
eyes for fear it would be morning when she opened them again. If only she had the power,
she would have made their nights go on forever, but the best that she could do was stay away to try
and savor every last sweet moment before daybreak turned them into no more than fading memories.
Well, um, bars.
Bars, I kind of wondered when you started reading this aloud.
I did not ever think about this reading through the chapter.
Dario and Denei's likely engage in some wax play.
That's it.
I really love that that's what my voice made you think about.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I mean, you inspire me.
I wish I wouldn't.
I wish I would expire you less.
Other things.
So in terms of what the chapter inspired in me, there's this, there's a lot of a discussion
here regarding like wanting a night that is kind of like never ending because in it you
can be who you are, like your passions as opposed to like in the day, etc.
Where you kind of have to like perform, right?
You have to put on that lord's face at queen.
face and what the dawn brings in terms of like real life.
And I think it's really, there might be some sort of like thematic clue here going on
in regards to what sleep affords when it comes to a dream and you living through that
dream in the night, which is what's happening with Deniery's as she stays in this fantasy
with Dario, this sort of like wishful fulfillment thing.
And it makes me think about like what happens in the long night.
Like you're going to see a lot more of people's like sort of like id.
come out, the ID, right, id part of their beings. But also, like, what happened here in terms of
trying to bring back someone to life, right? Like, what's going on here when it comes to, like,
the Knights Queen and Power? Something that, like, I know our friend, Matt, aka Joe Magician,
have talked a lot about, is, like, this idea of the second sons and being spurned something,
like, the ability to just go for what you want. So, especially things that are,
forbidden. So I think that there's something
going on here that's being drawn to
us between what the long night symbolizes
in terms of that human
heart and conflict with itself
and emotions and
what it means to
come back to that like reality
with the dawn. First
of all, I can't believe you
opened this chapter talking
about how the long night
could be involved in this passage.
Mark it off the bingo card.
I did not. I opened it up with
Wax play.
Sorry, you opened it with Wax Play.
Which could be part of...
You really changed the game.
That's right.
Of what's going on in the long night for all I know.
I also was thinking like, when you were speaking, I was thinking night slash night, like
a night, like a K'night as well, you know?
Like, uh, the night ending.
And obviously, Dario's not necessarily a night, but also like the man is ending for her, right?
Like, she has to choose.
And by the end of the chapter, I mean, first,
First of all, it's one of the most, like the saddest, you know, when you have like a main
character who makes the choice, right?
Like the thing they desire and want is right in front of them and they're choosing the hard
thing that nobody wants to choose because they think it's right.
And they're looking at love maybe and turning it away and turning it down to do their duty.
Like duty, that is the whole fucking chapter.
So yeah, like even though he's not a night, I was like, oh, night slash night, like the
man is ending and the sun is setting.
and setting on like a whole section of your life you can't go back to.
You know, you're locking the door.
You're walking away in a lot of ways.
She doesn't necessarily think so in this chapter,
but it does happen by the end of the chapter.
She realizes that's a whole, a hallway she'll never walk down,
a door she'll never unlock and go into.
I mean, looking at her plot, like the House of the Undying, right?
The doors, every door she could or could not go into.
That's all life is.
Regrets.
sometimes it's not hopefully
not always
there are some things like for example
Chloe is glad that she got married
when she did not a regret
oh my god yeah I don't regret
all the fucking dick
I'd be slinging everywhere
but um I mean that
I'm looking in the camera when I say that
I mean that
what the fuck is going on
why is your camera
you said no poop
um
is it
I don't know. Oh, because my, I'm using my phone.
Oh, okay. That makes sense. Because I was like, wow, this resolution's incredible.
I was like, isn't it better than usual?
It really feels like you're like TikTok streaming or like podcast streaming, you know, a lot of, a lot of people do that, you know?
It feels like you're doing that.
I will say I've been watching my favorite podcaster recently a lot because I only really listen slash watch one podcast, which is so true with Caleb herein.
Oh my God. Caleb Bestie have me on someday.
but I've been watching a lot of that.
So unfortunately, if it affects our podcast, it affects our podcast.
It affects our podcast.
Yeah.
It's not the worst.
Yeah.
Sad.
It's just like such a fucking sad.
It is a sad chapter.
And it like kind of, there's a lot of really interesting things going on here too around like,
you see, I don't know, how a lot of people like, they are chained by the system.
And in so many ways, even though she should have like more of that power.
But.
Powerless.
Even the night before, you know, she fixes the entire problem and there's never any murder and
Marine ever again.
Ha ha.
It's just killing people's futures and dreams.
Whatever.
Dario sleeps peacefully beside Danny.
And he had once told her he never had nightmares.
And she thinks he has a cell sword's conscience, no conscience at all.
So she's laying there thinking, Dario doesn't have any thoughts.
Yeah.
She's like, no, no thoughts head empty, must be nice.
Honestly, I don't...
Yeah, he's just sitting there sleeping of murder, murder sleep.
I don't, yeah, I don't know if it's true or not that he never has nightmares, but honestly, you know, must be nice.
Oh my God, yeah.
Well, I don't even know, I don't have that many nightmares.
I have, like, stress dreams that I think other people would consider nightmares, but are normal dreams from him.
I'm like, oh, that was stressful.
Anyways, I think it's important that there's this idea that's put,
forth here that cell swords have no conscience because of how these chapters act in dialogue
with like the John Connington chapters because I think we can see very clearly, right?
John Connington, a cell sword, he's got a conscience, right? Or even like Quentin, arguably a
cell sword because that's his current like temp job. That's literally his plot. Yeah. And both of
these people definitely have consciences. It's just like they're defined by.
different things, especially for John
Connington in terms of living up to the
ghost that he carries, and I came up with this
little line for all of you. I didn't really come up
with it. George Morf came up with most of it.
High in the halls of the Kings who are gone,
Johnny would dance
with his ghost. That's what I have
for all of you about John Connington.
I came up with this line. You disgust me.
You literally disgust me.
You are literally the most annoying person I know,
but I love you.
Okay, yeah. No, for sure, though.
Good quote
pull from music, thematically resonant music.
Oh, yeah.
I thought you were going to say about the actual real thought regarding, like,
John Connington, because, like, we see how much he's, like, trying to do right by
Ragar's ghost and, like, even changes whatever, like, the Golden Company is doing in order
to adhere to, like, some of those, like, deeper than blood contracts or whatever,
or deeper than gold.
It's blood.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, yes.
I knew what you meant.
And that, as well as Doran, right?
Like as Quintin's arriving, some people are currently reading a Feast for Crows, which feels
really wrong.
That's the girly book, you know, the girly pop book.
That's for the girlies.
And we'll never go back there again.
It's so terrible.
Every day, it's like, oh, and we're doing this chapter.
And I'm like, shut your mouth.
Like, that's my book.
I feel really, like, mad.
I'm like, you can do this if you want.
Like, let me come back and do that instead.
But it's perfectly placed that you have all of the stuff going on in feast.
Watcher obviously brings it up as well, but everyone is doing things for ghosts, right?
Elia's ghost.
Elia's ghost is haunting everything.
Egan is haunting everything.
The ghost of Baby Relagan.
Dashed against the ground, you know, head all caved in, rip.
But rip.
No, truly.
Rip.
I've got jokes this chapter.
Sorry, everyone.
Denarius thinks of Dario's skin.
She, like, likens it to silk and satin.
And I'm like, hmm, those Targaryens and their love for Satin, am I right?
And this is a joke now about a different John, not John Connington, John Snow.
You disgust me.
I'm just kidding.
John Satin's fine.
Cute.
I don't know.
I do think there's some John seriously in this that we'll talk about.
Oh, always.
Yeah.
Adorable.
John and Satin could just go off into the sunset.
We're snowstorm people now, I guess.
Yeah, we're snowstormers.
I don't know that I'm like, I'm like okay with it.
I like see all the signs.
It lines up.
I mean, yeah, well, more in a minute.
But Danny looks at Dario's sexy bod and thinks that she would give up her crown if he asked,
but she knows that he never would.
She savors everything about him and thinks, remember, remember how he felt.
She kisses his shoulder and he awakens like a cat, asking if it's dawn, it's not.
They still have time.
She doesn't want this night to end
Because then only two nights remain
And she must marry
And she can't marry Dario
But he asks her all the same
And still she must deny him
I'm a little confused here
As a person who has cats Chloe
So she says that Dario awakens all at once
Like a cat
And I've seen a cat awaken
And I don't know that they're like always
All at once
They like do a fun stretch
And then they like
They can be leisurely
They can make up all at once
But not always
I guess sometimes alert
Maybe George was trying
Because, like, sometimes if I fuck with Jake, he'll be like, what the fuck?
And he'll open his eyes wide, like, what are you doing?
But to your point, I imagine him kind of lazily waking because he said, like, a cat.
Like, I imagine him doing the arm stretch and the fur shake and the, I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll let it slide for now.
But I think it's, everyone's allowed to have their own perception of Dario.
You know, some people have an incorrect one.
Whoa.
Whoa.
Meow.
The claws are out.
We have a quote.
Caldrago had been her son and stars, but he had been dead so long that Denaries had almost forgotten how it felt to love and be loved.
Dario had helped her to remember, I was dead, and he brought me back to life.
Oh my God, it's just like Evanescence.
Oh my God, I was actually, I was going to liken it to like, wow, she really discovered, like, her first favorite musicians, her first favorite poets.
It's, like, it's hitting deep.
I also really appreciate that when I first went through this
and was outlining the chapter for us,
the only thing I could come up with was, damn, sad as fuck.
Like, all I wrote was just, like, ultimately, this is sad as fuck.
It's interesting that the commentary throughout here,
Danny's become an old, tired woman overnight, right?
This is what the weight of the crown does.
The refrain of, remember, remember how he felt is very sad
as we've talked about
you know
that's my
my fantasy romantic
like book kink
is definitely like love
lost love you know
oh okay
I wasn't sure
like he got me
I was like had her every single way
a man can
or like what are we
what are we talking about
well it's also
to be fair
like it's why I like
George sex scenes
honestly because they are
I actually don't dislike them
no I think they're real
they feel real
they aren't look
I've read Fourth Wing, okay?
Like, the sex scenes in Fourth Wing,
a lot of girlies are like,
I love Fourth Wing, and that's why I read them
because it's so sexy and hot,
and that's fine if that's what you like.
But for me, when I read that,
it's eye roll-worthy.
I flip the pages and make sure
that I don't miss anything about the magic going on.
I'm like, all right, what's happening the next day at school?
Like, I just skip the sexy sex with the dresser
and the lightning and the whatever's going on.
Some of it gets very repetitive, but George, every sex scene is different and is from the POV that it's written from and feels real and feels like a real experience.
And these all these bittersweet lines she has about trying to remember him and like keep him, right?
Keep this one thing, this one memory just for her.
It's so sad, beautiful, bittersweet.
She finally has love for the first time it's on her terms.
Every single time you mentioned Danny's name before, now it's Danny and Vassaris, Danny and Drogo, Danny and da-da-da.
But now it's Danny, and she loves Dario, and that's fine.
But they could be separate.
They could be separate names.
In a way, the power imbalance is also, this is the first time she's ever had more power in a relationship.
So that's kind of interesting.
While, yes, he can go out and be Marshall and slice bitches up with his blade because he's mad.
she still is the one that would chastise him at the end of the day for that and be able to.
She does have control over his body. So interesting, interesting, and it's the first time she's ever felt that.
And she has found love on her terms, but she also knows she can't keep it.
The beginning of the chapter is telling her that, even though the middle section of this chapter, the second act of this chapter, is her trying to have her cake and eat it too.
and I do love for her.
Dario is like the concept of,
and I'm not saying that you have to have somebody
who teaches you how to love
or that you learn how to love through,
but I think everyone does have first loves
that maybe in retrospect,
a billion years down the line,
you're like, of course I didn't like marry this guy
from when I was 16 or 15, like Danny here.
But you learned how to rest,
respect yourself. You learned what you want in a lot of ways and what you don't want in a
relationship in a lot of ways from that love. And though it felt like the world was maybe falling
apart, it made you the person you are now. So I think there's a lot of that here. And that's what
makes me see a lot of what could come for her and John. Spoiler, it's them, in the future, right?
like proto john stuff happening here like these are situations that maybe she's not engaging with
or making the right quote unquote choice but like what's the right choice in life no one
fucking knows it's a shit show life you know like all of it it's a shit show there is no right
choice but maybe she's not making what seems like the right choices but she is learning
about herself and what she wants and maybe what she will want someday with john yeah i think so
first of all, it helps me to, like, remember that Denarius should basically be 18 years old
in this, like, and it makes more sense to me, like, not even, like, on, like, the weird
sexual stuff, like, just in terms of life stage, right?
And some of those, and, like, I agree with everything that you've said, like...
Thanks.
Actually, like, I think it...
I want to say it's our friend, like, Rowan, who taught me this or, like, articulated it
well when we spoke of just because a relationship doesn't last,
forever doesn't mean it was a failure, right? It doesn't mean it wasn't successful. And like,
this one's not like, that's something I didn't know until like the last seven years, you know? Like,
I really didn't understand that till I got a little older. And now I'm like, oh, those weren't failures.
They weren't wastes of time. Yeah. I think it's like hard because like obviously like Dario isn't a
waste of time here, right? Like she's so lonely. It's, it's awesome to have someone like there who
also it seems like he actually cares for her in some ways, but also like, sometimes like the
timing's not there, right? You know? And it's fine to enjoy a person for the time that you have
them and you cherish it for what it is. Exactly. Yeah. That's so, so sad. Remember. Remember.
Yeah. Bittersweet. I think it's also just sad because like, you know, her life is probably
going to be brief and
that's also sad in a different way
when it comes to the loves that she has
but also you know
there's something going on here where like she's worried
that Dario doesn't love her for her
and like maybe maybe not right
like but I and she's worried
that he loves her only for what she represents
and it makes me think of like Sanzo thinking
that no one will ever love her
they will only ever love her claim
and like I think
I can see why she feels this way right
because Droggo only wanted her
initially, because she was
the last Targaryen. That's
why he wanted her, as you said, he was like
collecting memorabilia.
Dario, I mean, maybe he only wanted her because she's a queen.
I'm not super sure.
And then Zaro obviously only wanted her
for her dragons because
they play for the same team.
His Dar only wants her
also because she's a queen.
And Jora only wanted
her because he has a thing for blondes.
That's true.
That's true.
I don't know.
Maybe he, like, cared about her, but I don't know.
If he did, then he would, like, put her needs first, whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is devastating.
Like, I mean, that is the sadder part of this is that in the midsection here,
we're about to see it, like, reasserted, like, oh, yeah.
That is why Dario's into her, though.
I mean.
Her power.
Who she is.
He likes her, but also there's a desire that comes with it.
I'm about to get, like, on a little soapbox here, not regarding my life,
but, like, my other friends.
lives and good yeah talk about them it's like it's it's it's hard out there for women okay it's
hard that's what i hear we love that like dario likes her because she's powerful you know because
yeah no yeah i'm not against it there are men who will like drag you down with them or like who
will get super weird about like if a woman is like more successful in the relationship like in terms
of profession or like finances or whatever and they will destroy you
on the inside for that.
And like, we see that with Kristen Cole, actually, honestly.
Yes, yes.
He definitely, it's very different with him than this relationship.
Yeah, in hot D.
Yeah.
So, like, I think, you know, you can see what that's like and they'll be, like, insecure and
they'll put that all on you and, like, you know, make that really heavy for you.
And so it is refreshing to see that Dario isn't daunted by that.
Yeah.
He likes a hot bitch in power.
Yeah.
Good for him.
gotta embrace it while you got it
I also
back to like that
there are just fucking like planes
everywhere today
like they're just soaring so much
that I don't know where they stop and I end
so crazy
that's what Denneres wondered as well
when she was having sex with Dario
are you having sex with the plane
that's a whole genre
that actually is a whole genre
of porn you guys
my cunt is becoming the world
yes
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That said, nice.
I do want to call out, too, that that kind of like, remember, remember.
There's something sad about, like, the bittersweet about this entire chapter and about her having to give up.
That reminds me of the godfather.
Interesting.
Don't spoil the whole thing.
Don't spoil the whole thing.
You fucking bitch, just watch the movie.
We watched it. We were going to watch it, but I was jettlagged that day.
I even made us homemade spaghetti.
We're going to watch it. It's going to happen. Don is talking to Michael about, you know, he's talking about how... Just say whatever you want. Just say whatever you want. I will forget it. I will make myself forget.
So Don Corleone is the dad, right? And he's basically the big boss. Okay, good, good. I just want to make sure that you are at least somewhat contextually in. Michael, you know, son is talking to him. And Michael,
gotten on the bad side of things he's kind of you know he's a bad egg he's doing some bad
egg things he's making hard choices not on like no bad egg on he's making he is though he's
making like some hard choices he's kind of the chosen one and don has this conversation and he's
talking about you know like you were the chosen one michael and he says but i never wanted this
for you i work my whole life i don't apologize to take care of my family i refuse to be a fool
dancing on the strings held by all of those big shots. That's my life. I don't apologize for that.
But I always thought that when it was your time, you would be the one to hold the strings.
Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone, something. And it's just like this very bittersweet,
like, there's never enough time. That's what Dan he's experiencing. She thought she would have
more time. And there's never enough time. You don't have, you don't know how much time you have
to love someone. That's true. That's why I love you every day.
I love you, too.
Oh, so this is something, I should, I probably should save this for just us, but we can do it here in front of everyone, God and everyone about our friendship.
I was like, what makes Chloe my friendship work?
It's that we never stop trying to make each other laugh, I think.
No, it's true, right?
It's up there.
No, we like one up each other.
Yeah.
Like, I'm like, no way, I'm going to make her laugh.
No, I'm going to make her laugh.
It's great.
It's always great.
I think it's very doofy.
Yeah, maybe.
It makes our episodes.
very long. The best relationships are built on that. Like in a way, you're always trying to
make the other person smile. Yeah. And like, for me, I'm always on tragically. Like, if I
bomb in convo with you, like, I know that I have like 20 more chances to get it 100%. Well, yeah,
duh, because like that's the whole point. That's my, that's my philosophy to being funny. I'm like,
even if you just have to keep making, you got to keep making opportunities and like people will like
think by volume of it, but you're very funny.
We're jester-coded, dude.
We're so jester-coded.
That's why I'm just like, everyone you need to remember,
Chloe and I are just entertainers.
We're like literally not scholars on this.
I mean, but we could be.
Just hopping from foot to foot.
Yeah, you can cite us.
People do, but also.
But, you know, we're little jesters.
We're here for you.
Yeah.
Not biased.
They're quiet.
You sent me a mime thing.
Yes, I did.
That was funny as hell that video.
So lately, Dario has been a little too bold.
He's been kissing Danny publicly, like, in front of other counselors.
It made Bairston really mad.
And Danny reminds Dario, once she's wed, it is high treason for him to desire her.
And he's like, bet, pop a boner.
He says, then, he must be a traitor.
And he grins and he smells his fingers, which smell like her.
I don't know if we're supposed to, like, not like that.
I like that scene.
I like that.
That's hot.
But a lot of people, I guess, are committing high treason.
But I do think her joking with him that it's high treason to desire the queen, right?
Which it's not, but it is really interesting in the context of what Circe is doing across the sea
and how she's like how she's making all of her plans happen.
Yeah, he's very much like as he's a cell sword, you can see a lot of the similarities with the kettleblacks, right?
and Circe a lot of the dialogue feels lifted from kettle black in a way like because you called
that out you can also see like how it's lifted but at the same time you can contrast it with the way
that the kettle blacks treat Searcy and wanting to fuck the queen right as opposed to like what
we see Dario say to her which is quite different in vibe yeah absolutely he's not exploiting her
and blackmailing her for power she actually already gave him a little he he got the power himself
and then she said, all right, I'll hire you.
There's a little bit of fairness going on.
Just a little. Just a little.
And he chafes that when there isn't.
Yeah.
He takes his leave to get drunk or go fight in the city,
joking, well, maybe I should go kill his Dar.
And Danny throws a pillow at him for that.
She is currently letting his Dar hold court as king.
She needed a break.
She's like, well, they're his people.
And Dario reminds her,
some of them are your people,
the ones you freed. Remember? They want their mother. He says, will you hold court? And she's like, no, not till after the wedding, after the peace is there. And Dario's like, you really should hold court. The new Westerosi men want to see you from the wind blown. They tell tales of Targaryans. And there's a dornish boy, Frog, who has a gift for her.
Hmm. So, yeah, Frog was like, oh, I have a gift for the queen in jars. I guess I can convey this. And he's like, no, I have to give it directly. And then, like, De Neri's jokes of like, give the gift to me.
This is dumb.
It makes me think of Tyrion, me like, I'm the gift.
But also it makes me think of some of the other language around gifts in the story.
Give her the gift.
That's no good.
Don't do that.
Yeah, I'm like...
Not that gift.
Not, but in the context of Aria's story, seems bad.
Yeah, seems bad, exactly.
The gift in the north, maybe.
That's fine.
Oh, yeah.
That's a happier.
Yeah.
That could be like a, you know, better-ish.
But no, not really.
because that's going to be consumed with whites soon enough.
Danny does think it would be very nice to hear the common tongue from Westeros,
from someone other than Barristan, so finally she gives in.
And she leaves, Dario leaves.
No, she stays.
This is her fucking room.
What am I saying?
Dario leaves.
Missande comes in with bread, milk, and figs, and she's like,
are you unwell?
I thought I heard you scream.
269.
Danny takes a fig and wonders if his Darb will ever make her scream.
She tells Miss Ande it was the wind
And she wanders out to the terrace
Honestly, if his door is willing to
And you're all willing to have an open communication
Like maybe
A lot of it is just communication
Just ask for what you want
Yeah
You know what movie I like you guys
It's on Hulu
Summer of 69
It was cute
I got my first real six string
You should
I think I told you to watch it
You should watch it
It's cute
So in regards to the screen
Obviously, some Liza Aaron parallels here with little finger.
No, that's a joke.
That's a joke.
I mean, kind of, you know, okay.
It's sweet that Nasande checked in on her.
It does make me think a little bit about how Brand was like,
I don't really know what's going on here when he, like, spots the toys.
And, like, kids being like, whoa, you scream.
Like, what's up?
Are you good?
And she's like, I'm good.
That and the people at the feast fucking, too.
He's like, what the fuck?
Yeah.
What is that?
the harvest fast or whatever.
Aw.
Aw.
What a boy.
There is a line,
internal dialogue from Danny.
Her foes were all about her.
Okay, Sarsi.
Yeah.
What book is this now?
I was like a Feast for Crows or the first two Sersy chapters.
Dude.
And dance.
Prophecy, not even once.
You know, not even once.
Not even once.
Don't even do it.
Don't even do it.
There is a lot of cautionary tale stuff going on with Sersi.
and Danny, and there is something great about that contrast, right?
That, like, it's a little different.
It's not quite the same.
You can see Danny working at real policies
instead of using thin tactics.
But also, you see her stuff is a little flimsy in other ways, too,
where Circe has a little bit of smarts about stuff in some aspects.
Like, hey, some of Cersie's plans, a little bat shit,
but some of them worked for a bit.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, for a bit, yeah.
Same with Danny. Same with Danny.
Yeah.
Same with Danny.
Agreed.
You're talking about how what a boy, you know, brand being young.
Isaac Hempstead, as many of us have been reminded.
Married.
Yeah, married, 26 years old.
26.
Yeah.
That's.
Had to get off the market because didn't need him out there slinging it, you know?
Oh my God.
Just like you.
He's just like us.
And by that, I mean, like, old.
We're old.
I was like, what the fuck?
You're definitely not wrong.
One of the moths was like, all like at the seniors meet up, like, we're going to do that or something like that in a few years.
See me gumming some mashed potatoes.
Right.
So.
Jesus.
There were always at least a dozen ships, sometimes as many as 100, out in the bay.
And behind them, they built scorpions, catapults, trebyshees.
Hammers would ring through the air on still nights, but.
But no siege towers, no battering rams.
They would wait flinging stones at her until famine and disease ruined them.
And she was like, His Dar would bring her peace.
He must.
Girl, don't want to rely on that.
That night, De Neri's can't eat and sleep comes hard.
Dario returns so drunk, he can barely stand.
And she dreams that His Dar kisses her, but his lips were blue, bruised, and his manhood, cold as ice.
Listen, his czar's just in his 2016 makeup era.
and like denarius winks disheveled and although dario is there alone and like i can't tell like so around this time in this chapter the cooks give her a meal and it's like roasted kid as in like baby goat but i don't know if this is like a wink wink from george i'm not saying she's eating children right like that's silly oh it feels like it but like it's a reminder of what's weighing on her conscience in terms of like the children and drug
gone being out there being like
I love eating kids
yeah
no absolutely I mean
come on
George loves little nods he loves a little wink
George loves a little wink
I think you did it
or big wink
I didn't even think about it
so that's pretty good
good job I'm pretty impressed
I'm impressed with you you're pretty good at this
never stop
never stop trying in your relationship
everyone.
We're living proof.
269 episodes later.
Of course,
there's the Uron part of this dream.
It does make me wonder if
like there's a little
interception going on with a glass candle
like in there
messing with the bunny rabbit ears
on the TV. I don't know.
I don't know. Maybe he's up in that bitch
casting himself into the dream.
I mean, if anyone's...
I also would think it's interesting
if it like uses this like okay because I'm having a lot of dreams lately because I would never
do drugs but if you do a certain drug your brain gets used to not having dreams and I'm having
dreams because I haven't been doing as usual I'm not doing drugs or drinking and I'm having
dreams every night and they're insane but they're all based on things that I'm very clearly
able to divine from like I'm like oh that's stressful because of work or oh this exact thing
was in my dream because yesterday someone at work said X thing or you know there's all these things
happening like that where I wonder if the glass candle can only manipulate and not totally
create right like it has to have a base matter to manipulate maybe you can like do more but you have
to be like really skilled at it right and Uron's just like kind of like mildly yeah he's just
just dabling just a thought if anyone's like really winking it's Uron you know
because he's got that eye that's covered.
No, I'm not falling for that.
I'm not falling for that shit.
Anyways, I don't like you right now.
That wasn't funny.
You got to get back in the game.
I take my affirmation words back.
See, this is the other part.
You got to keep it spicy, give and take.
You got to take it away.
You got to be honest with your partner.
You know, if she didn't make you laugh come,
then she didn't make you laugh come.
Don't lie to words.
Jesus.
Yeah, communication.
Danny thinks she wanted to shake him, wake him, make him hold her, fuck her, help her forget.
But she knew that if she did, he would only smile and yawn and say, it was just a dream, my queen, go back to sleep.
Actually, sorry, what he would say is, it was just a dream, my queen, go back to sleep.
My wife.
That's why he's trying to get her to run away with him.
My wife.
So, this is like not helpful to anyone.
I read that line and I was like, it's going to be, she wanted to shake him, wake him, bake him.
Unhelpful.
Instead, Denarius.
A smile came to my face.
I'm glad.
A smile.
The Neri slips into a robe and stands on her terrace gazing down on the city.
And she goes, it will never be my city.
It will never be my home.
Like, not with that attitude.
Don comes and her handmaids find her asleep on the grass outside.
Interesting.
feel the rain on your skin.
She orders them to bring her crown
in court clothes, and an hour later
she descends, announced by Monsande.
Resnach flatters her beauty,
blaming it on her approaching wedding,
and Danny Sise, summoning the first petitioner.
And, like, y'all, we know why.
We know why she's actually glowing.
Resnock noticed that post-orgasm glow.
No, he did.
Yeah.
No, I think you're right.
There's a lot of thinly veiled things here.
that and like Galaza Galar who steps forward and she's veiled in green and she's
like I would like a private audience with you and Daneris is like no I'm busy I get
married tomorrow after that whatever and she's like no it concerns your cell sword
captain and Danny is shocked and she's like how dare she say this about Brown
Ben Plum in public and she's like the warning is too late and she sends her back to her
temple.
I think
Danny thinks this is about
Brown Ben Plum, but clearly
I think this is about her
cell sword captain who has been
making out with her publicly,
her, who's engaged
to his Dar.
And especially with what we
have at this point of the story of like miscommunications,
like looking parallel to John,
who's making some of these similar
mistakes with people's intentions,
right? Like the Carr Starks and Melisandra and all of his fellow captains who he's like, well, whatever, they have to put up with it because I'm the commander and no one's going to harbor any anger about my choices that will get me killed.
Obviously, no one's going to do that. Like, clearly Galaza wanted to talk about Dario and probably scold her for her acting inappropriate, not very discreet about her little affair.
but also what's worse is that she presumes that Galaza doesn't really see or know
because she thinks it's about Ben immediately and I don't know if she if Galaza presumes that
Danny who answered and is like I know what you want to talk about and we're not going to
talk about it sister but like Galazza's like well I wanted to talk about Dario and Danny's like
she wanted to talk about Brown Ben Plum those are two very distinctly different situations
that in the current political climate
will not benefit Danny, right?
Like, this is not good
if she has this miscommunication with her.
It's kind of a major insult
that maybe in Galazza's eyes
what Danny just said to her was,
fuck you, I'm going to fuck my cell sword
what I want with my giant fucking dick.
So fuck you.
Like, that's kind of a huge insult.
So that's not going to help the tensions.
And it's also really fun because Danny is currently obsessing about the prophecy all the time in the background
and how things are one-one, right?
Like the sun's sun, it's lining up, the prophecies here.
But there are so many loud things in the Miranese politics that are like in front of her slash happening around her and she's not hearing them.
Yeah, I think that's the thing, right?
She is kind of like insulting them a little.
Like I do think she knows it's about Dario and she redirects it to be about Ben because, of
few paragraphs ago it is about Dario and she's like appalled that it was brought up here in front of
everyone and she sees it as like private she's like let me have just like this little bit of
fucking happiness and like redirect it especially because she explicitly calls it out as brown
benplum as opposed to like kind of hiding it she's trying to make the narrative be about that
as opposed to Dario like I do think she knows and just trying to like hide it because also and
like Golaza plays along with it to an extent because
In front of everyone, she doesn't want to call into question.
Like, she doesn't want to make it public that this is happening
because then it also would weaken his Dar's own position
in front of everyone for the queen to be having dalliances with everyone else.
And then, like, you know, Galaza basically, like, ends it with, like,
I will pray for you, which is, you know, essentially, that was a bless your heart.
That was a bless your heart, which now that I think about it is even more apt
if we're likening this as well to Reconstruction-era stuff.
I guess.
I guess.
Maybe I'm influenced.
I don't know, but I just think it's more fun if she didn't.
I think you're right, though.
Like, it is, like, insulting, though, for her to be like, shut the fuck up.
I'm going to fuck whoever I want.
No, yeah, this is totally insulting.
No matter what she's saying here, it's not good.
I feel like I could teach.
I mean, like, I don't know.
I guess it would be different if you had eyes on you all the time, right?
And, like, everyone's watching you.
But, like, I feel like I could teach her about, here's how you hide, something like, here's how no one knows about your booty call.
That's fair.
But, that's fair.
Maybe, I mean, it's different than your queen and you don't have cell phones.
But, I mean, she is being so blasé about it.
Like, they kiss in front of Barriston in this very chapter.
Like, it is a little blasé.
And I think that's also part of what makes it so sexy to her.
But, like, needy.
to put it away like keep it secret keep it safe all right I don't want to say
this because like I'm not I don't think the Neres is mad and I really I really
don't but like when you said it like that about the how she's being Blase it
it makes me think of like what Barriston is saying regarding how scandalous it
was when Aries was being so open about Joanna you didn't break that up right
no but she's well somewhat I mean I'm gonna
talk about the parallels in a bit, but, you know, she's acting a little bit more like her father
than her mother.
Oh, she already acted like her mother, I guess, for some of that time in a Game of Thrones,
which was really sad.
And she's sick of it, yeah.
Well, and I mean, she is keeping it, like, it is sad, right?
Like, in the beginning, she is giving it away as we just, like, we're talking about very sadly
20 minutes ago before we were yelling at Danny.
Me, Danny, how could you put your affair in public like this?
but it isn't like it's the world's worst kept secret
but you know her mother and Bonifer Hastie
which we'll talk about had to you know
keep it quiet and then get rid of it because they couldn't keep it
so it's like she's battling
well there you go she's battling between the dichotomy
of both of them right like how to be a ruler how to be
the king and how to be the queen
yeah and we'll get to that we'll get to that
we got ahead of ourselves
Doing something that's never been done, right?
Like, she's like, how do I?
Oh, I was like, wax-play?
Wear this strap every day.
This Valerian strap every day.
How do I wear it?
Honestly.
The Valerian strap that belonged to my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, reeth.
I legitimately think Dario would say yes.
Oh, yeah.
He would love a finger up, but anyways.
Or more.
We don't have time for this.
Yeah, we don't have time for this.
So the rest of the day drags.
Danny sits on her cushions.
She's impatient, eating figs,
ham and the endless line of petitioners continues, but near sunset Dario enters with the new
storm prose. A ragged mix of men, the oldest was 60, the youngest was Danny's age, somewhere plundered
finery, others rags. One, pretty Maris, is a tall, scarred woman with no ears and cold eyes.
Hugh Hungerford is lean and dark. Weber is short and tattooed with spiders. Orson Stone and Lucifer
Long are knights and will of the woods leers.
mumbles through a half-bitten tongue.
We've probably talked about this back then.
We're not going to dig into it.
I'm just going to say, go check out Joe Magician's stuff on Pretty Maris
and what might have inspired George to write Pretty Maris and some of those other
storylines thrown out by the five-year gap.
Absolutely.
And I do appreciate, you know, the idea of some sell swords, potentially having been
knights or having been from Westeros and, uh,
Weber, who's short and tattooed with spiders.
It makes me think maybe he's a House Weber, you know, outer character.
But also interesting to wonder, like, what the allegiance is there, right?
Like, House Weber, especially with, like, the Duncan Egg stories being so black fire-centric.
And fun.
They also have that, like, black, white and red sigil, which is kind of fun.
But her, like, I think of Rowan Weber and marrying Eustis.
and fighting for the wrong side
and also how she lost, like, husbands to the battle and dot, da-da-da.
So really interesting, even though Weber was a dragon supporter
and not a Blackfire supporter.
So, I don't know, just fun because now we're getting the introduction also with the Blackfires, right?
And Doran's going to support them because they think he's the real Egan.
And Arienne's going to marry Agan because she doesn't want to lose,
even though her brother's actually dead and not marrying Danny.
Yeah.
And we're going to have amazing scenes between John Connington and Arianne hating each other.
It's going to be so good, so good, for no reason, too.
For no reason.
The Dornishmen, they're different, right?
Dario introduces Green Guts, Gerald, and Frog.
Green Guts resembles Bellas.
Gerald is handsome and sun streaked
And frog is plain and solemn
With stubble like a boy's first beard
She wonders at his name
It's like maybe, I don't know
Frog prints or something
She thinks kiss him and he explodes
Kaboom
Wow
Wow
Wow
Kind of
Oh my god
I'm thinking about
Chloe and I were talking about Shrek again earlier
You know about the bird
when Fiona sinks too high
just explodes
Oh gosh
During this introduction
Right of everything
And when she eventually finds out
It's Quentin
Deneri says
Oh well
Sun spear stayed loyal to my father
But as we know
I mean like
Yeah
But also partially
Because Aries kept
Elyan the Chilitrin hostage
Yeah that dichotomy
once more, right?
Am I my father?
Yeah, and I don't think Quentin knows that.
No.
But also, there's something great here again, once more,
adding to that tension, the presumption that she does often.
And in an attempt to be queenly also, like, yes, but.
Yeah.
And what that adds to later.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh. Danny, however, does welcome them, again, saying Sunspear's loyalty is remembered and apologizes for their losses.
She learns that Green Guts is called that because he gets seasick, and all three are knights, which Dario's pretty irritated about.
He's like, oh, I can't believe you lied to me.
You got in my group and lied to me in my boy band.
And Barristan also is kind of wary both of them and their lies, but also of the rising tension between everyone.
When challenged about their knighthood, Gerald is like, I would defend my claim, but not against Barriston the Bold.
And he adds, we traveled under false names and we'd like to reveal ourselves privately to the queen, which is fun since somebody else who traveled under a false name is Barristan.
And they just call him out right away, which I think is very smart on their part.
Yeah.
They mean business, right?
It means something to Danny, too.
like, Jora knew and didn't say anything and tried to use it for his advantage for several months,
even though he knew.
And they're honest.
These guys were honest to her right away.
They were ready to prove themselves right away.
That's, uh, that's refreshing for her considering the vipers she's around right now.
Not that viper.
Yeah, not that viper.
That viper would have been like, he would already be here.
He would have won.
We would have fixed it.
He would have been dick deep.
Yeah.
Oh.
Dario would have been real big.
kind of interesting.
Oh,
if O'Brien had shown up.
Yeah.
Oh, they would have, like, killed each other
from a trial by combat within a day.
Yeah.
Within a day.
I do like, it is, it was a pretty smooth line.
I'd be like, I can try to fight Bears in the Bold,
and like, honestly, yeah, you shouldn't.
You shouldn't.
Denaries does clear the court,
per their suggestion,
and Sir Jerris drink water,
and Sir Archibald Ironwood present themselves.
Before they speak,
Frog offers a gift,
a scrap of writing and Dario grabs it but Bereson orders it given to Danny and you were talking
about like this tension that's rising right and I think yeah part of it is because like oh well I guess
these guys shut up in secret that's kind of weird and Beresid actually I think recognizes some of
these names right he's like oh iron one big name right I mean drink water maybe but like in my
opinion eh not that big but like Dario of course obviously hates being deceived here you know
he has never deceived anyone in his life he's never
beheaded his superiors or whatever in his life and I think that there's like a fear among the
people here part of the tension is like all right so he's upset at these guys he's gotten the
scrap of paper please don't please don't tear up the paper please don't tear up the paper Dario
please don't tear it up so diana's not a dame and targaryan move I know right
dana is like put up at this act of being like you know very very like kind of acquiescing to
everything, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, Barriston is really doing a good job of keeping that balance and keeping him somewhat in
check.
And Dario isn't even just mad about the deception.
I think also something that he's mad about as we go along is the reminder of his station
and who he is.
Like, he can't read, first of all, he can't read the writing, but also it's like in a
language he can't easily read, right?
And so these guys are bringing something to Dan.
that Dario cannot give her.
That's true. That's true.
In a lot of ways.
He can give her his dick over and over and over again,
but he can't give her what they're bringing.
Yeah.
That piece of home, that thing that she's looking at longingly and desiring.
Like, this is what she desires more than anything.
It's a step towards the throne.
Honestly, low-key, what Dario offers, from what I've heard,
other people's lives
what Dario offers
in terms of like actually bringing that orgasm
might be rarer than whatever the fuck these guys are bringing
like a lot of people are offering Westrose
I literally think this nope I don't know that I think it
but I do think it now I've crystallized this thought
it's in my heart now
um
Danny reads the scroll
she recognizes some big names
Willem Derry
Viseris those are big names
in this story. Wow. It's a secret pact. It's promising Viseras and Arien in marriage in exchange for Dorn's
aid to take the throne back, reclaim the throne. Barriston thinks Robert would have destroyed Dorn if he'd
known about this and Danny understands the secrecy. Immediately she thinks if Veseris knew this existed,
he would have dropped everything and gone to Dorn to claim his throne. And Frog agrees that
Robert's wrath would have come down on Dorn if anyone had known about it.
Frog then reveals himself as Frog Prince Quentin Martel, the Prince of Dorn, her loyal subject.
Danny laughs, she does call him a frog prince, and she asks, have you come to marry me to?
The language of a secret pact, though, like, it's giving, it's giving First Men and the Children of the Forest.
It's giving pact of ice and fire, right? Like, just a little.
Mm-hmm.
Even though I guess those weren't, like, introduced yet.
I do think this was a huge misstep on her part to laugh and not explain it in the common tongue.
Right?
She does explain it, but she only explains it to the people who don't speak, Westerosi.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
And just like how men hate when a woman's more successful than them,
and we've examined this through Jarrett's Drinkwater back when we did the Bairson chapters
that I don't remember that well
and do want to redo
men fucking hate to be laughed at.
Oh yeah, that's true.
Also, the perception of being laughed at
it's like a, they perceive it as emasculating,
a loss of power, especially when it comes from
like a woman who holds more power than them,
which is what's happening with Denaries, right?
And like, that's how it's perceived
by these fucking bozos who are with Quentin.
I don't think Quentin thought about it that much.
But these fucking bozos
Just drink water fucking thought about it
Because he's a fucking like
I'm not gonna go down that
I have thoughts
Anyways
We also see it in the way that
Tywin stresses how much he hated
That Titus was laughed at right
And he doesn't want his son
To be someone who is laughed at
So like
There's all that
And I even think back to like the beginning
of the whole story, right?
Like, the way that the others laugh at Weymar Royce, right,
in their, like, strange icy tongue.
So, I don't know.
I, but also, like,
I assume she does it in such, like, a good-hearted way.
Like, Quentin's, like, I'm not thinking of anything of it,
but obviously these guys, other guys suck.
But, um, also, I would have laughed.
Not because of the story.
Like, if I were into Neri's position,
I would have laughed because I was like,
oh, that's so weird and awkward.
Uh-huh.
Why are you here?
Why is that what's going on here?
But also, that's why I'm not a queen.
In that place.
I'm not a political leader because I can't hold that back.
I'm like, oh, what do you mean?
There are some other reasons, but yeah, that is one of them.
Yeah.
I would do a bad job.
And we're going to get into those.
No, I'm just kidding.
He admits, well, my father had kind of hoped we would get married since, you know,
Viceris is dead
who's on the pact
and Dario mocks him
Jaris defends him
Skahaz and Reznak argue
well Dorn's worthless
compared to a Giscari king
and Quinton retorts
Dorn holds 50,000 spears
Danny silences them saying
her guest will be treated with courtesy
and she explains that unfortunately
it is much too late
I must marry his dar
but stay for the wedding
and she gives them some really nice
beds and chambers to be in
so that's nice. It's very hospitable of her.
Later, when Erie removes her crown, Danny tells Dario and Barristan,
despite the appearance of the frog prince, nothing changes.
Dario fumes that they deceived him.
Embarrassin's like, well, they bought you and fooled you, and he doesn't deny it necessarily.
Danny studies the parchment again,
realizing it must have been written in Bravo's in the house with the red door.
She recalls her nightmare of blue lips and wonders if Hizdar serves the war
if she should marry the Dornish prince instead.
When she asks Barristan, what are House Martel's arms again?
He tells her a son, pierced by a spear, the sun's son, the pale mare, the lion, the dragon,
beware the perfumed seneschal.
Can we just say, bravos, can we fucking put it to rest?
It's bravos.
Like, put it to rest.
Give it a day.
That lemon tree is in bravos.
It's there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like this is the reason it was leading up to was the pact.
The pact is the answer.
There's no like big secret beyond this.
The pact was the big answer to why there was the lemon tree that she remembers in Bravo.
It was at the sea lord's manse.
This is it.
You guys.
I do not believe it matters beyond this.
Do not tell me.
Do not tell me it's lemongate.
Especially when you have money, like you can make a lemon tree grow.
You can buy anything.
Yeah.
Like, you can make it happen.
And by that, I mean, like...
Okay, until, like, my other friend, like, fucked up.
We were growing a Dwarfmeyer lemon tree.
And there was winter, you know?
Like, it's doable.
It's fucking doable.
I, like, legitimately feel that way.
Yeah.
I do think so.
You can do anything you put your mind, too.
Yeah.
Well, in, like, you know...
Which in reason.
John's building a fucking greenhouse, okay, like.
Yeah, look at Winterfell.
Maybe the lemon tree was in Winterfell.
Oh, my God.
Wait, we should...
I'm just kidding.
No, we should make that happen.
We should make that happen.
Um, anyways.
I'm about to.
We have a line.
Dreams and prophecies.
Why must they always be in riddles?
I hate this.
Oh, leave me, sir.
Tomorrow is my wedding day.
And like, she's just saying random things again.
And again, like, I don't think Bereson has a context.
Bereson is probably like, what?
When she says all this, what?
Yeah.
Yeah, she's a real poetic, weird kid.
That's for sure.
He's probably like, damn, I've known some weird Targary and Queens, but this one's kind of a weirdo, too.
I get it.
That's why Rhaegar, maybe he was having Dragon Dreams.
Maybe that's why he was such a good musician.
He just took all that shit, put it to music, and was like.
Wow. Wow. One of the best lyricists of our time.
No, for real. Like, I'm thinking right now of like whatever Tenaries is going through him, like that would fucking bang, like as song lyrics. That's it.
Yeah, they're bars, dude. She's out here writing Lana Del Rey's next fucking album.
The Sun, beware the perfumed seneschal, but like, sad girl.
Hold on. Give me a jazz beat. Like, beware the perfume, sanisha.
Oh, the sun, sun, sun.
The Crackin, you know
Remember, remember
Yeah, like real Lana
Bridal Fy
Daughter of Death
Oh, that's so Lana
Yeah, right, that's really
Right, okay
Brighter Fires
Wait
Blue jeans
Yeah, wait a second, wait a second
Dragon Scams
Yeah
Dragon Dreams
Duh
I'm dragon dreaming
That's like the whole episode now, Chloe, not me restiling.
You said we couldn't talk about poop.
You said we could not talk about poop.
So here I am singing Lana Del Rey songs instead.
Nobody asks for us.
I'm making them up.
Nobody asked for us to not talk about poop.
But we heard it in our hearts.
So this is what you get instead.
We got it through a glass candle.
We hear a lot of things there.
That night, she and Dario, fuck.
Every which way.
The text tells you all ways that you can.
269, nice.
But when the sun rises on her wedding day, he leaves.
She's like, where are you going?
I forbid you from fighting today.
And Dario calls her cruel, saying he needs amusement while she's wed.
She says by nightfall she'll have no foes, but he says the days long,
and he'll be bringing her back, Brown Ben Plum's head for a gift.
She says no heads, except for that one.
No heads.
that wants
Dario used to bring her flowers
and he says well his dar can pick you flowers now
maybe not himself but he has servants to do it with
Oof
Listen there's a Miley Cyrus song about this
No I hate that song so much
Really? I do not I do actually like that one
It came out when I was driving to work all the time
So I would hear it on the radio every day
And then you would change the channel
And it would be on the next channel
And you'd change a channel
And then it would be on the next channel
Like, insane.
So now I'm going to hear it all night.
Thanks.
I fucking hate your guts.
I do think he loves her, right?
Because, like, the wedding was one thing.
Like, he was prepared to fuck her even while she was married and deal with the whole, like, she's with someone that she doesn't love.
But I think the Quentin thing made it much more of a reality for him that she's a queen.
Her duty is always to the crown and not to his sword, either one.
her duty will always be marrying for the crown first.
Like, she would have married Quinton out of duty before she would have married Dario, right?
Like, that's the truth.
Like, if his Dar, if something happened to him that evening,
she would then begin to explore how to marry Quentin for her duty to the Iron Throne,
to get her family's house back, to take the crown, to get the usurper's dogs out of the throne room,
quote unquote, wherever they are.
And of course, by the chapter's end, we'll start to mirror this even more closely with
her mother and Sir Bonifer Hastie, which we'll get into.
But there is such a sad truth emerging for both of them and what she's realizing here.
Like his station is reinforcing itself on him, her station reinforcing itself on her.
And here, you know, there's that line where she says, you can't leave, like don't leave, don't
fight.
And he's like, well, what am I supposed to do?
She never really considered.
What is he supposed to do?
What is he supposed to do?
That's not a full life either.
Yeah, that's a good point.
No one's considering Dario's emotions in this.
Except for Chloe.
Except for me.
Except for Chloe.
Chloe cares.
Yeah, I do care.
I'm very different.
I'm not like other girls.
Oh, my God.
Not like other girls.
She cares about Dario.
Yeah.
You guys can't see it, but Chloe is primping.
As she said all that, she, like, threw her hair back a little, like, just kind of smoothed it out.
And she has it in vertical style, truly video podcast style.
I love, I do love what you said here.
Like, I didn't really think about it.
The Quentin stuff is kind of what's making it all real.
And besides the fact that, like, you know, she's always going to put the duty there.
Like, it's making it real that she might not fucking stay here, right?
Like, maybe he's like, whatever.
Her heart will never truly belong to his dar, and she'll, like, be here.
But Quentin can give her something she actually wants.
And that's Spears, but that's also home.
Her, like, heart's true desire.
Exactly.
That is her desire.
That's what she wants.
Wow.
Big sad.
But I think you're right.
I think he does, like, legitimately care about her.
And it is hard to believe.
And maybe he would lose interest in her if she gave up the queenship.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe, maybe not.
He asks if he has leave to go, and she says no, thinking that one day he will not return.
He will be killed.
One day, she would lose him, like she lost Drogo.
But not today.
That's a line from Game of Thrones.
she commands he come back and kiss her and then commands him to fuck her it was meant playfully she didn't like really she wasn't really commanding him he never really consented to a dom sub relationship um but his eyes hardened at her words and he tells her that fucking queens is king's work and if his dar can't attend to that then he has servants for that too she has a dornish boy now and his pretty friend now so she could call on them instead
Ouch
Ouch
Well
And I'm not saying it's a pattern
But I would have three nickels
If I counted her teasing people
With commands on their lives
From last chapter and this check
Well, I don't remember the teasing ones
But there are like a lot
Where you and I discuss like
I don't know about that phrasing
Which what's the, can you remind us
What's the other one from like last chapter?
No legitimately, please remind me
No, there were literally two last chapters
she said it about
what is it
Zago or Ogo
that comes back
and is suddenly sexy
Like he's his life is mine
Yeah I own his body
Yeah his life is mine
Fighting over him
Mm-hmm
Yeah
And then grayworm saying
This one's life is yours
Yeah yeah agreed
Agreed
She's just collecting souls
Is all I'm saying
Very slowly
Soulkeeper the anime
Oh
That's kind of cool though
This is this is boss
So boss of her, that's so...
Well, I'm also thinking of, like...
Laudeau re-coded.
I'm also thinking of, like, in Dark Souls and stuff, your currency is souls.
You, like, kill and you collect the souls, and that's what you used to, like, barter and stuff.
But if you die, you lose other souls.
Yeah.
It's very Grey Alice-Ellis.
She has a lot of Grey Alice going on.
True.
I'm also feeling Ursula.
Mm-hmm.
The In Little Mermaid.
Poor Unfortunate Souls.
Yeah, I knew where you're going.
Okay, I wasn't sure.
Well, we talk about Ursula.
Kayla Gwynne a lot
So I need to be like clear
Yeah
No because you'd be talking about Earthsea
Or left hand
True
True
By the way
I watched a really good movie at the film fest
called Left Handed Girl
Highly recommend it
It's very cute
Did you relate?
Yeah
Yes absolutely
I actually had a substitute
Tell me that my hand
was the devil's hand
When I was a kid in school
And that I shouldn't be using it
And so actually, like, seeing this movie was very, it's a, it's a family that moves to Taipei and a lot of their family members are very traditionally, culturally Chinese.
And so, like, the grandpa tells the little girl she has a devil's hand.
And then it's very, it's some, it's a very wild generational thing, right?
So, but that did happen to me in second grade.
So for what it's worth, I was told that it's the wrong hand and I'm using the wrong hand and why am I writing with the devil's.
hand.
You should have been like, well, you mess with the wrong bitch.
Seven-year-old, you should throw those devil's hands at her.
If it comes to a movie near you, the theater near you, go see it.
Highly recommend because it's actually like a very like familial dramedy and heartwarming.
So very good.
I digress.
I digress.
We've never done that on this podcast.
Digressed.
I love this bit of passage right here.
He strode from the bedchamber.
He's going to make a sortie.
Danny realized.
and if he takes Ben Plum's head, he'll walk into the wedding feast and throw it at my feet.
Seven save me. Why couldn't he be better born?
So funny.
Very cute. Very cute. Sad. Funny.
It really does remind me of like the little finger stuff, which I'll come back to in a sec.
And like when Dario's gone, Mastande brings her goat cheese and olives and raisins,
seeing that Dineri surely needs her strike today.
She's a small girl
She's kind of funny coming from Missing like, okay
Yeah
Missonde says it isn't too late for Denarius to change her mind
But Denarius, she thinks that it is
Missonde argues that, well, Denarius, you don't even love him
And would sooner have another
She's like, I heard those screams
I don't know what they mean, but I heard him
But the queen loves where she must,
not where she will, Danny says
And commands that the food be taken
away. She must bathe. She prepares for the wedding, needing help to wind the to-car and its many
pearls around her and thinks of her first wedding beneath the stars with Drogo. Dang, widow vibes.
Um, she wonders if it would be the same with His Dar, but she thinks that she is no longer the girl
that she was, and his dar is not her son and stars. Resnach and Scahas escort her to the temple of
graces with her palanquin. The world.
worst father of the bride giving away ever.
The Miranese prefer the palanquins and litters,
which are born on the shoulders of their slaves,
and the man of Zah.
I told her that horses foul the streets while slaves do not.
That's why we have them curious around,
and Teney's just like, what the fuck?
I freed the slaves.
Why is this fucking happening?
Because litters choke the streets all the same.
She tells her, I would like to saddle my silver,
but Masandi says, you can't really ride it into a car.
that's like the whole fucking point of why it's like that
so Danny's like oh
and requests a sedan chair instead
and throughout all this right
she's wearing her to car her wedding to car
which Chloe and I went
into depth about like the other chapter
and by it went into depth about we're like yes
fashion sleigh
but I will say
you know regarding this idea of her
constantly calling it the floppy ears
I'll link this in the comments
I love this
analysis, our friend
Mighty Isabel had once upon
a time written one
likening to the way that
De Nerees talks about
the floppy ears to like the way
that it's portrayed
in the Wizard of Oz
with Oz, Emerald City.
I almost said Alice. That's what the fuck am I thinking?
The other Isakai, the other original Isakai.
The way that
Dorothy thinks about it
in regards to like the rabbit people in
the Emerald City of Oz so go check that out I'll let her explain it it's good and I also want to
add especially with how you read this it really brought to mine too of how every facet of the city was
designed with slavery in mind and the tow cars as well are designed with slavery in mind because the
point is that you cannot do physical movement in it you cannot ride a horse you have to be carried
around in it and lounge in order to wear it properly and hold it in a certain very difficult
way even the clothing is designed for slavery so it's surrounding danny even at her wedding she's
being caged into this symbol yeah yeah that's a great point and how it ends up becoming a cage
itself even everyone's imprisoned by it yep resnack lavishes compliments on her saying that this match will
save the city. He's wearing a maroon samite to-car with golden fringe and tells her,
yeah, basically just is like, oh, happy day, you're getting married, and now the city will be great,
and there'll be no more murder. And she's like, I really hope so. I would like to plant my olive
trees and see them fruit. But while she's being very political and speaking to Resnack and using
all of her social energy on him, sucks. She thinks, does it matter that Hisdar's kisses do not
please me? Peace will please me. Am I a queen or just a woman?
Hmm
Sad
It is sad
But also
Queen or just a woman
Yeah both
Horses
Mules, donkeys and elephants
Are stabled in the western
and eastern walls
Danny finds Bellwass
Eating grapes
Bairston is chatting
with the Dornishmen
And all break off
When she arrives
With Quentin kneeling to her
There's this line here
It does not mean anything
I just thought it was funny
That the construction
of these sentences
were almost exactly the same of
it was always dusk in the base of the great pyramid
it makes me think of the opening line
of the forsaken of it was always midnight
in the belly of the beast
that's it
sometimes people
use the same instruction for things
I like that
um well struck your grace
thank you
sometimes there are only so many ways you can write a sentence
um
so
we then get
a discussion
with Quentin and Barrison around
Prince Doran's strength is failing
and once more Quentin brings up the idea of an alliance
and she's like oh rise and smile frog and be happy for me
on my wedding day
she says that she will look to Doran for help someday
you never know Hizdar might die
she says which I'm like oh my god Danny that's so
wow who's the brazen
beast now she will take the nation she says but for now she must wed when the procession turns to the
temple of graces she asks barriston who would her mother and father have married if they could have chosen
he tells her of her mother who was mindful of her duty but as a girl she loved a young knight of the
stormlands and he he even wore her favor once an attorney he named her queen of love and beauty
the day Rayalla wed the knight put his lance away forever becoming pious sad we have a line of
his passion was impossible of course a landed knight is no fit consort for a princess of royal blood
and she thinks and Dario Naharis is only a cell sword not fit to buckle on the golden spurs
of even a landed knight said
wamp
saddest trombone ever
sad as fucking violin
but back to the fun part of the puzzle
Bonifer Hastie
Bonifor Hastie is the knight
who Rayella loved
and I really love that
in order to solve this puzzle
if you don't have the
A World of Ice and Fire app
where it was revealed
because there are some little secrets
that were revealed on that app
including this
Bonofer Hastie
you have to kind of puzzle it out with Jamie 3 in a Feast for Crows.
And I think that's really fun because then you have an answer here for Jamie as well in this chapter.
So it's like a call and response that George is doing with the puzzle pieces between Jamie 3 and Danny 7.
Jamie one time called him a solemn stork of a man with a stern, sad face.
And Jamie doesn't even know the truth.
In Jamie 3, he says,
hasty hailed from the stormlands so had neither friends nor foes along the trident no blood feuds no debts to pay no cronies to reward he was sober just and dutiful and his holy eighty-six were as well disciplined as any soldiers in the seven kingdom and they made a lovely sight as they wheeled and pranced their tall grey geldings little finger had once quipped that sir bonifer must have gelded the riders too so spotless was their repute
All the same, Jamie wondered about any soldiers who were better known for their lovely horses than for the foes they'd slain.
They pray well, I suppose, but can they fight?
They had not disgraced themselves on the Blackwater, so far as he knew, but they had not distinguished themselves either.
Sir Bonifer himself had been a promising knight in his youth, but something had happened to him.
A defeat, or a disgrace, or near brush with death, and afterward he had decided, jousting was an empty vanity and put
his lance away for good and all.
So sad.
That's the sad as shit in the world.
And like, okay, Jamie, interesting because something happened to you when you were
supposed to have been a promising night in your youth too, huh?
And then, of course, this against like the heiress conversation is really great to
like compare all with because that's like, you know, Jamie, that's part of your story
is also related to this.
It's a piece of this puzzle in some way with Aries and Joanna.
Yeah.
Um, maybe, maybe a real piece, like a sperm piece, we don't know.
But I do really, you feel for Bonifer, when you read that passage and you realize
all of his promise, all of his everything, yeah, he did have probably a nearby brush with
death, because she had to marry Aries and he wasn't known for being very forgiving.
Uh, that's true.
A defeat, a disgrace, a disgrace of being rejected by the beautiful,
queen that he loved that he could never have.
Yeah.
Bummer.
I didn't consider the fact that Aries might have like sussed it all out and been like,
you got to pack it up, right?
Like, we don't want to get into much power.
Or that he knew that was next.
Yeah.
And so Bonifere was like, I got to go hide.
He was like, I've never, I've never been interested in any woman in my life.
I only love the gods.
I love God.
Yeah.
The maiden.
Praise to the maiden.
Yeah.
Poor fucking sad sack.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
I mean, obviously much sadder.
Sadder for Rayella, but.
I can't believe I'm sad for a man.
Not even once, you know?
Yeah.
I mentioned this earlier, but the whole discussion about, like, a man who isn't of a station to marry the woman that they want.
And that woman being regretful about it, right?
I think this is one of those narratives that George is kind of interested in.
just because other, like, American canonical writers are, like, it's very great Gatsby-esque, you know, speaking of Lana Del Rey.
Uh-huh.
And it's also a subtle reminder, in my opinion, of, like, Littlefinger.
Like, Littlefinger's narrative is very much inspired by Jay Gatsby.
This did happen to your friend Littlefinger.
Uh, yeah. And, like, the circumstances are obviously different in that Cat, like, Cat,
was like, bro, what do you mean?
Like, don't ruin the friendship.
And Liza was all like, I'm going to take advantage of you and all this stuff.
But, like, you know, they couldn't even make that marriage happen because he was of
too low a station and he chose instead to like, be like, all right, fuck that.
I'm going to go rise in station until I'm a great lord, until I'm a param, Lord Paramount, right?
Yeah.
Social Network, Westrose Edition.
Yeah, to become good enough of a station to be worth marrying, and yet, and yet, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he chose to grind, where Bonifer chose never to grind again.
Yeah.
True lovers only, true lovers only.
It might have been, like, better in terms of peace for everyone else, right?
Like, that's also, I guess, what's being explored here with Denierrez and his dar and Dario, even though it's not a true piece because of the,
the slavery, but whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah, because literally everything
about it is no longer a true piece.
Like, there are still slaves in the streets,
carrying people on Palin Keynes.
Yeah, I'm like, what was it
for?
But I mean,
like, obviously, arguably it's better.
You know, I can't be like, what is it for? Let's see what happens
in 200 years, right?
We're shit's still bad, and people just, like,
bust down in your door and shoot you for no
reason, right? But like
strides, and you have to fight for each stride
every day. That's it. What am I
talking about? You all know, but also why?
So,
Aries had
wanted more than he loved, Barriston
said, and that's kind of how he trails off. He's like, he wanted
more than he ever loved. And Danny's like, well, I want to know the good and
the rest about him.
Do you? And he, and he,
He continues telling her that Aries was taken with Tywin's cousin, but Tywin and her wed.
And at the wedding feast, Aries drank too much and made many a drunken jape about taking the Lord's right to the first night with Lady Joanna.
And he took liberties during the betting ceremony.
And then Barrison's like, I've said too much.
I've said too much.
And they arrive.
Darn, they cut it off right when we're about to get the good stuff.
Meeting his d'ar on his own sedan matching her.
She wonders where Dario is, thinking if this were a story, he would gallop up and challenge his d'ar for her hand.
But it's not a story.
And they move side by side to the temple where her doom awaits her.
It is a story.
So you don't know that.
This is real.
This happened to my friend Danny once.
Yeah, totally crazy.
This is a documentary.
Yeah.
It actually might be.
So, the other side of the history lesson with her father, we haven't had as much of the rebellion answers in her plot, right?
Like, we get a couple teases here and there, but this is kind of a piece of the big rebellion tapestry that we've been weaving throughout all of the books.
It's not like Brand 3 and Asos, right?
Like, we haven't had a very, like, heavy lore drop chapter in a while, so kind of fun.
in the world of ice and fire there is a similar line
it has been reliably reported however that king aries took unwanted liberties with lady joanna's
person during her betting ceremony to time's displeasure not long thereafter queen raella
dismissed joanna from her service no reason for this was ever given but lady joanna
departed at once for castorly rock and seldom visited king's landing thereafter
Yeah, it's suspicious.
I don't know about there, but I do think, like, the timing lines up for a couple of other characters.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
You never know.
We're going to show up here in SOS.
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
We're painting a story here that Jamie is narrating, right?
The Answer 4 and Jamie 3, A Feast for Crows.
but also it's linking to a lot of why Jamie's childhood
and coming back to what you were talking about with Tywin and him
distrusting and disliking laughter
why his adulthood has become what it was
and why his childhood was what it was with Tywin at the helm.
It kind of does a great little loop back to Jamie
and starts to really also kind of remind you of the connection
between the plot with Danny and Jamie.
Although it's very distant,
there's a lot of familial history.
history going on here.
Yeah, there is.
It's, that is kind of interesting how much of this is intertwined with, like, the way that
Jamie reveals it.
Like, as you said, the Bonifur Hasty stuff and, huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kingsguard.
Kingsguard.
It would be really interesting to see what happens if Jamie and Bairson meet once more.
Especially as Barrison has been the one recounting, like,
Yeah, so your dad wasn't the best.
Anyway.
Denarius tries to appreciate the golden domes and the beauty of the temple, but all she can think about is Dario, saving her, taking her at sword point like Rhaegar had with the Northern Girl.
It's very, it's very a free folk tribe mating ritual coded.
Um, but that would be folly.
The brazen beast would cut him down.
Galazagalari and her sister's weight outside, though, fewer than there were prior.
And Danny wonders if the flocks had taken Azara as well, because it had been spreading
amongst the freedmen, the cell swords, the brazen beast, Dothraki, but so far, not the
Insalid, and, you know, not seeing certain members there, it does, like, trigger something,
like, oh my God, it's the Redmedic all over again, right?
But in that, like, whole anxiety.
But there is a real danger here, and it is the illness.
So it could probably just be the illness.
but also like the unsullied being it's called out that the unsullied have been untouched and like you know love these hygienic practices for them that they've been like taught that and I kind of wonder like are they consuming water from somewhere else as well like based on wherever their station so yeah their camp is in a different place yeah turns out hygiene's like important good for them yeah and I do think I love your first note because I was thinking of olivar uh and
And Azara is from House Paul.
So going back to what we talked about a few chapters ago,
you know, all the men of House Paul are dead.
We had that line, a house of women now, bitter old woman with a taste for blood.
Women do not forget.
Women do not forgive.
So I do think this adds to kind of like Danny's maybe not necessarily like ignorance,
but she is somewhat ignoring politics.
I mean, it's a big day, right?
Like she's busy today.
She, yeah, she's got a lot going on
But there is a lot happening in the politics
That maybe for us we're seeing it
And Danny isn't necessarily paying attention to it
But also isn't necessarily like
Giving a shit about it anymore
Because she's half heartbroken, half cunt struck
Chardario
And dealing with Quinton
And dealing with thoughts of the Iron Throne and home
And thoughts of her family
And thoughts of having to marry his daughter
Like there's a lot going on
Yeah
But also
So then we have what's to come here in the ceremony with the ceremony going her way, right,
that she, and we'll talk about it, is getting all of the rituals of the ceremony,
kind of flipped, kind of reversed.
Like, it's happening to her, not her having to do them to her king.
The king's doing them to the queen.
So I do feel like there's a definite, like, sense of false security being laid.
Obviously, the next two chapters change a lot of things.
then chapter 10 just like puts it all on the fucking bloop on its ass but i do feel they were
very much trying to lull her into this false sense of security and like maybe they did
pull azara maybe azara was pulled because house paul can't afford right now for that to happen
maybe house paul is plotting something i don't know yeah i also know that you keep saying it aloud
I'm like, is it like a reference to Paul Atreides?
I don't know, somehow.
Ah, no, I'm being serious.
Maybe, no, I don't think so.
Yeah, I like this term you used construct.
I haven't heard it really before.
It makes me think of another term popularized lately by
a person of our times, Taylor Swift,
digmatized, you know, that's where she's at.
Certainly a person.
Yeah, but as you said, like, you know,
she is being lulled into this false sense of security,
and thinking like the marriage is enough and like the thing is like it's not you need the force you need force there and like it's in your streets they're just doing it in front of you
yeah like on your wedding day yeah true when you literally can't fight back because you're in a sedan having to be beautiful forever to look at you yeah it's not good we have the ending of our chapter of molding her to car dainting
so as not to tread upon its fringes,
Denarius Targaryen eased herself onto the chair's plush velvet seat,
and his darsolorak went to his knees and unlaced her sandals
and washed her feet whilst 50 eunuchs sang and 10,000 eyes looked on.
He has gentle hands, she mused, as warm, fragrant oils ran between her toes.
If he has a gentle heart as well, I may grow fond of him in time.
when her feet were clean
Hisdar dried them with a soft towel
laced her sandals on again and helped her stand
hand in hand they followed the green grace
inside the temple where the air was thick with incense
and the gods of geese stood cloaked in shadows
in their alcoves
four hours later they emerged again
as man and wife
bound together wrist and ankle
with the chains of yellow gold
Oh, the symbolism
I do appreciate that at least
Hazar understood the memo of the flow of power
and was the one who washed her feet
but I do think now that I think about it
this ending line of Emerges man and wife
and was like, why is she just some guy's wife
you know, why not the other way around
Man and woman or woman and husband
you know, that's someone's husband
Herstery
Yeah, that's someone's son
Someone's father, you know?
But I'm just like...
Every guy is just someone's like father and son, you know?
Like, you got to treat him that way.
I mean, I don't know.
I know this is kind of radical,
but sometimes I start to think that men might be their own people.
That's really interesting.
I'm not, like, sure I'm there yet, but like, that's real...
Jesus.
I'm not allowed to talk about poop,
so I guess I'm going to be a misinterest for the rest of my life.
This is what...
We heard it in our hearts.
No one wanted the poop.
We heard your complaints.
You didn't send them, but we hurt them.
I've been to shorter Catholic weddings.
You know what I mean?
Like, four hours, damn.
Four hours is a lot.
Like, usually I think, like, yeah, three hours.
I mean, like, it can be...
There are weddings that are, like, multi-day long, but it seems more fun.
Yeah.
Like, you got to break it up a little as all.
Like, four hours.
I probably got stuck.
stuffy in there with all the incense, um, and it's got to be hot as shit.
Yeah.
No AC.
What are they even doing, you know?
And like, yeah, we don't even cover the ceremonies.
Maybe, do you think it took that long to cleaner feet?
Were they that dirty?
It's possible.
Like, so it is kind of interesting, like, initially that she was supposed to do it.
Like, it makes me think of, it was an act of great humility when, when Jesus, a messianic figure.
Just like Denaries.
He was the one going around washing people's feet, and that was considered, like, very radical because the feet are the dirtiest part of the body during that, in that culture, because, you know, they're wearing sandals.
There's shit on the ground.
They're still pretty gross, yeah.
Like, literally.
Even with shoes on, like, good sweat.
As you all heard from last episode.
So.
No, absolutely.
I love the flip.
sucks to know that they're just
doing it for
appeasing her, but
like, you just know, like, why else
would he be doing this?
He doesn't really care, obviously, in general.
He's like, whatever. Everyone's still
going to high-five me, you know?
Like, they're going to be like, dude,
Mother of Dragons, you got her.
Well, even besides that, it's like,
he's like, I'm not going to get caught up.
I'm not going to get caught up
in the image.
of it and the language of it, what matters is the policies that get enacted and the actions that
happen. And am I like saying something like here? Maybe.
Wait, me. Not but I mean, it is true. It's not like incorrect. Like that is what's happening.
Like she unfortunately is caught up in all of these trappings of power and how they present.
And she has to think about it every step of the way. But for his dar, he's like, nah, I'm business.
Yeah, and I mean, he's up in those pyramids.
He's telling them, like, listen, when I'm king, you'll get your slave trade back.
Yeah.
But what I need from you for 90 days is this.
And if you guys can commit for 90 days, then don't worry, I'm going to get you slavery going again.
You're going to be even richer than you still are.
Don't worry.
Yeah.
And I mean, like, the trappings matter, right?
We've been talking about it.
The trappings matter.
But at the end of the day, the material difference, right?
Like, the trappings and whatnot, like, the material difference it makes in people's lives is, like, the actual, like, don't lose sight of that, you know, over the performance.
And when you start to compromise your campaign to appease those trappings of power, instead of having that be the additional, that is kind of the problem.
Yeah.
There's no negotiating with these fucking bitches in Marine.
That's what we've learned.
Yeah.
Not now.
This was a thick boy.
This wedding chapter was thick.
Yeah.
We went way over the amount of time that we thought we would.
Yeah.
But that's okay.
That's okay.
I feel like that sometimes, yeah.
Thanks for hanging out with us at this wedding.
Hopefully it's not her last one.
You know, I'm still rooting for.
one more for her. I think it could happen. You never know. Um, what? No, I'm just like,
deciding with whom? Because I like, I don't think, I think she will have a very true love with John,
but I don't think they'll get married. Yeah. I don't think they'll have time. No, you're right.
It probably isn't going to be, well, unless they get married, like in an unofficial way, you know,
like in the forest, RLJ, kind of. I do think she can't, she could possibly get married a third time.
I just don't know that it's to John.
You know?
Yeah.
I think that Hizdar looks like lucky number ex-husband, number one.
Yeah.
I mean, we did get that.
I do think that there's a little Tyrion Sonsa parallel here too.
Like, I do think that she'll be able to set him aside and the marriage aside because it wasn't done.
And especially because of the focus last chapter on if you get married in the Miranese way, if you don't, it's not recognized.
I think that's going to spin opposite for her that.
But she, like, Rolour might not recognize the Giscari gods.
Have you thought about that?
Yeah.
They might not recognize that the Temple of Graces is where this took place.
They might not recognize her marriage at all.
Or if she doesn't take up Rolore, even the seven gods may not recognize this at all.
Well, also, especially if she's a god in the Rolore region, like Rolore religion or like
an incarnation of one.
The thing about being a god is you get to make up your own fucking rules, right?
Like, and that's a big part of what the story is exploring.
So, like, are you a Targaryen or not, girl?
Mm-hmm.
Make it up.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
Seven gods.
Amen.
Amen.
Like, I don't know.
Put your dragon's mouths next to them and say, bitch, am I married now?
Yeah.
But also, I don't know.
Is it, like, hotter if she and John never get married?
I don't know, you know?
But also, like, we had a little house Weber nod here.
You know, his art.
He doesn't have.
to live he doesn't have to live
she said
Jesus Danny
she's out there just
saying that casually to fucking
Quentin
yeah no with Quentin she was just like
you never know
she's like I'm bringing back
I'm bringing back polygamy
we're doing it my way now
yeah that's what
waking the dragon's about to be in chapter 10
msandry
I'm joking.
Not Ms. Andri, her best and most capable servant.
Miss Andry.
Wait, that's really good.
It's my favorite character.
That's my favorite character.
She should have a POV.
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