Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 273 — AGOT Tyrion I

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

We embark upon the final POV of our reread, the giant whose shadow looms over the whole series: Tyrion Lannister. Tune in for what may be the last time we start another POV readthrough. Where does the time go? Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon reads A Song of Ice and Fire episode 273. Tyrion won in a Game of Thrones. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I'm another one of your host, Eliana. And as far as we know, this might be the last time we introduce a new POV to all of you. But it might not. Whoa. But it might be.

I never considered that. I never considered that. That's a little crazy. Slow down. But also, oh my God, it's Tyrion time. I'm really actually so jazz. I'm excited. I'm like really jazzed.

Agat gets me really excited, I think, anyways. Like every single time we have a character that we get to go all the way back because we have to start back to Agat with. But Tyrion, like, feels, I don't know, special, right? Because this is like, he's number one boy for George. He actually is for George. And I think that, like, the interpretation of Tyrion over the years has just changed so vastly since the books first came out, since the show came out, since the show ended. And then even, like, halfway through the show.

Yeah. Like, I think Tyrion is a character of multitudes, and I'm really excited. Tyrion reminds me a lot about people I know and that was horrifying for people at brunch to find out but you know what? We'll dig into it I'll probably say it explicitly but we can't we can't give everything away in the first

episode we have like what almost a year's worth of episode A bagelian like we literally have 800 chapters yeah we do actually have like pretty much if we start right now and if we stayed on track every single

week which we won't You guys know we're not going to fucking do that. Have you met us? We're going to fuck off a couple times. We're going to hot D. Yeah, we're going to hot D. There's going to be a night of the seven kingdoms again. And then next year, if Duncan Egg starts, yeah, if that starts at the same time, like, Tyrion's probably going to end a little more than a year from now.

That is, that is kind of crazy to say out loud. What's next after Tyrion? You're probably asking. We've thrown around so many ideas, right? We've talked about different series. We should cover. Different shows, different movies, doing things for ourselves, right? Like, you guys, we love doing the Ace Woff reread with you guys,

because that's a blast, especially our Discord. Shout out to our Discord. They have been, they're so fun. They talk about it every week. They jump on and talk about the chapter, whether they're listening or not even. And there's so much insight, and we all, you know, we look up at the same stars and see such different things, right? All of us.

So it's been really cool. after this we've talked about covering I don't know far seer we've talked about the expanse we've talked about what else have we said a bajillion things over the years we've talked about covering the winds of winter and blood

and fire these are two things we've discussed covering after Tyrion um it's it's a novel concept yeah that's a big one um yeah George has the opportunity to do something so funny right now like he could really

fuck it up because we really don't know what order. We might do it in normal order. Like regular. Which would be really weird. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know what we would do for blood and fire. We'll have to see, but also, I mean, we'd have to see how it's structured at all. And I will say, like, for farce here, I know that you and I have floated.

This could be, like, really interesting and fun, right? Where I'm a first-time reader, and we just do a spoilers, like, no-spoilers kind of version. read through if we did Farsier and, like, for my portion or whatever. So that's like a concept. There's a lot of concepts. There's so much out there to read. There is. And we've read a lot of it, but we haven't even touched all of it.

So we're going to keep reading. Keep reading. Keep reading. Keep reading. Well, with that, before we jump in, this month's Patreon special bonus episode, because yes, if you are a fan of, of ours and over on our Patreon at patreon.com slash Girls Gone Cannon, C-A-N-O-N. You can get bonus episodes every month.

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If you've dabbled And you feel that you would like To just You know Check it out on that basis That's cool too The books I think are really like beautifully simple. I am not using that as a dig or derogatory. I think they're great.

They're a great work to get you interested in the genre and also some really good subtleties that you pick up on reread. But we are digging through that on our Patreon. Our hope is to catch up cover T-Bossass, the ballads of songbirds and snakes and also sunrise on the reaping before the movie comes out this year around Thanksgiving. Oh, this year. Hmm. Okay. All right, this is an ambitious...

I mean, I think we can do it. This is an ambitious pace. It's possible. We'll figure it out as we go. This is, we're going to take this offline and let you know where we go. But in the meantime, check out Mocking Jay Part 1 later this month. It will be up for patrons for March 26. And of course, as mentioned, we have a thriving discord with all sorts of fans hanging out in there.

Indeed. And actually... If you are listening to this for free, Discord brunch will be tomorrow. Pie Day. Oh, we should get pie. Pie Day. And it will be at 1 p.m. ET.

We are changing the timing a little. It was earlier this past February and March because we can try and figure out some scheduling and stuff. But yeah, and it'll be a little special, this brunch, mostly for me and Chloe. I'm excited. I'm excited. Yes, no spoilers, no spoilers. You have to show up to find out. So if you're a thunder to your patron and above, you get access to those brunches, those brappy hours every month. It's just a fun time to hang. This month I was having like a total emergency and couldn't actually be in the brunch vocally. So I was the ghost in the comments, the ghost of Winterfell. And I was just doodling because sometimes we doodle, man. Like, something. Sometimes we'll just be doodling. Yeah.

And I was just doodling. Yeah. And I was there talking and it's always interesting when I have to. Oh yeah, that's what I was doing. I was making bread. Which again, I was able to restart my starter. Thanks to Chloe's mom. I got to make bread again for this coming weekend.

So I... Yeah, you better get on it. You better bake that bread, little red hat. Yeah. Also, we got like some avocados and now some of them are like almost overripe. I used to think that mashing avocados was so difficult. And I was like, I don't understand how people are like so into making. And they say that avocado toast is so easy and whatnot.

Turns out I was just like using quite underripe avocados. Oh, they were probably just very hard. It was so hard. It was so hard. And I didn't know that I've been living like that my whole life until I started like actually exhibiting patients and like really using avocados that are at the proper dunnet. So yeah, life lessons. We're always learning every single day as we get older. I'm so glad that happened for you, Eliana, and thank you for sharing it with us.

That was something special for us all to behold. Yeah, well, speaking of sharing, if you have thoughts, you can share them with us via emails and tweets of note. You can send us an email at Girls Gone Cannon, C-A-N-O-N-A-N-A-G-M-E-M-O-N-G-E-M-E-M-E-M-E-N-G-E-E-M-E-E-G-G-E-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-E-E. but we're going to save some of these until next week, all right? You're going to listen to Chloe's email of note from Chloe before we jump into the Tatarian. But also, I think, like, let's dive into this first and then, like, talk about people's, like, thoughts next week. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. Look at all the fun we're having. Oh, my God, we're finally here. Look at all the fun we're having.

It finally makes sense. Literally. Oh. Maybe that's what you should title this series. Yeah. Huh. I do love Tyrion. Like, notably, allegedly, if you've listened to this podcast, you might have picked up on that.

So instead of a lightning round necessarily, I want to do kick us off with an introduction to Tyrion. For the historians at home, yes, this is one of those episodes where a hybrid, weird, not lightning round is going to happen. Make note. Tyrion's kind of fun because as we've gone through all of these a Game of Thrones characters, not in the order of the books,

but in the order we've done, we chose to put him last, and something interesting about him is he's the second to last introduced POV in Game of Thrones. So Sanzah gets

the last introduction of the characters, and Hearst is very specifically timed, as we've kind of talked about in the past with her on the Trident and going through the camp and the Aria and Joffrey and Micah scenario where allegedly some stuff happens allegedly. That was so long ago.

When that dog died? Oh my God, dude. I reread this chapter last night and I want you to know that lady dying, I was on the couch in tears. Like it had me in a chokehold. So it doesn't get better ever. I'm sorry. I'm having like a girl who loves loving cakes a thousand years ago.

Like that dog being like having flashbacks. I'm like, well, where in it all the time go? Interesting that we are introduced to the last two POVs of the book that are kind of underdogs, right? Sonsa is the last one, Tyrion the second to last. And we actually meet Tyrion first through many others' eyes, just like Sonsa, like Eddard 1. The tall boy beside him could only be the crest. brown prince and that stunted little man behind them was surely the imp, Tyrion Lannister. And then again we meet him in John 1.

Then he saw the other one, waddling along, half hidden by his brother's side. Tyrion Lannister, the youngest of Lord Tywin's brood, and by far the ugliest, all that the gods had given to Circy and Jamie, they had denied Tyrion, right? He was a dwarf, half his brother's height, struggling to keep pace on stunted legs. His head was too large for his body With a brute squashed in face Beneath a swollen shelf of brow One green eye and one black eye

Peered out from under a lengthfall of hair So blonde, it seemed white. John watched him with fascination. So a couple of different looks at Tyrion, though when we get that look at him with John, Perhaps, you know, it comes out a little bit different. We start to realize closer up in John's chapter that Tyrion might not be like his siblings, both physically and emotionally and in personality.

They are very different, all three of them. He might be a bit more clever, maybe, than all of them, that's for sure. That does throw John off. But I love that John and Tyrion are so drawn to each other straight from the get-go. Even in the way that the text intrinsically links them as different, right? As an outsider to the family, when you have John and Rob being a niche, introduced, where Rob is introduced as looking like Catalan in the text that said he looked like his lady mother Catalan, and John's introduction is different, right? It's just physical. It's

physically, John was completely different from Rob, and he also fought very differently from Rob. And then Aria has that same kind of contrast with Sansa, where they're shown as just being so different. And when you have John and Tyrion kind of drawing to one another, you see they're outsiders, right? They're outsiders. They're outsiders. to their family. They link together. They fit into this. And you have the line drawn between them, where John says, You are your mother's trueborn son of Lannister. Am I? The dwarf replied Sardonic. Do tell my lord father. My mother died birthing me and he's never been sure. Of course, their introductions also birth us this great classic line from John One. When he opened the door, the light from within

through his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king. It's good shit, George. I mean, just got to take a moment and say, it's good shit, but really great these kind of strong themes of like the familial bonds and the familial differences

and introducing such a large cast of players and characters on the page and somehow getting you to keep track of them and how different they are from one another, but also the same. Starting to link those characters. When you read back and forth the John and Tyrion chapters through this,

you kind of can see just how close they kind of got in the beginning of a Game of Thrones and how their journeys might come back together. We're also so back. Chloe did The Voice. It makes it sound like I'm talking about fucking dude. The voice.

That is kind of what it is, though. It kind of is. Except you control me by, I'm me doing it. It's kind of strange. Is that how it works? I don't know about that. I don't know.

People always say you're the one that deserves like, you know, so much grace for having to be with me, but I'm over here like, okay, I'll do it again. Don't whip me, Eliana. Don't whip me. Don't whip me. Don't whip me. I'll say it again. Anyway.

Yeah. Tyrion's great. Like, what a strong foundational character. I mean, that's what's so great about Agat. There's not a lot of meat on the bone. Where there is meat, it's good, though. It's all perfect. Like, it's a great amount.

It's the perfect amount. Yeah, as you said, very strong opening for Tyrion, and I love how you've gone through sort of the different ways that we've perceived him already. And I think the one, I mean, obviously, the John chapters, like, what an introduction in which he, Tyrion, I think we discussed us during John's chapters. I don't remember anymore. but that was also a lifetime ago. Tyrion should not have that level of esthoticism is what we've learned since then,

what we and George have learned since the publication of that book. It is not how bodies work when they have dwarfism, but yeah, it's, he's kind of rude, like all the gods that had given to Circe and Jamie, they had denied Tyrion, including, I guess, the incest, I don't know. So maybe he should be thankful about that. but... I don't know. I mean, think about Aria, right?

Is her chapter not that different in similar thinking? That she should have incest? It's interesting that you have... No, not the incest part. I was like, what? You think about it so much. No, just that, you know, you have that same link of Aria, you know, thinking, oh, the gods gave everything to Sanzah, nothing's left for me.

And it draws that link between her and John and... Tyrion as these kind of cast-out characters who think, maybe very negatively because the world they're in has imprinted these negative thoughts into them. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's just kind of, I'm like, dang, John, come on, chill. Chill out on poor Tyrion. But it's a fantastic interaction between the two of them and tears. The next Tyrion chapter with him is wild. Yeah, yeah. But there's a lot else that sets Tyrion apart, you know? Yeah, it's interesting because I think we spend a lot of time in these books paying attention to a lot of the younger characters, right? The preteens and early teens, your brands to your bannies, your Rob's, your Sonsas, your Johns, yeah.

Same age as us. Exactly. And then, you know, the next big psyche bucket, if you will, if we're going to call it that, the psychological bucket of characters next that often I feel like we go to is like the Neds and Circe, Catalan, like that kind of age group, when there's kind of this in-between age group that's a little smaller of like the the 20 somethings you have like the 26 year olds the ashes the ariens the sandors a little bit past brianne brianne just makes up like the caboose for the teeny boppers but the the 20-something year olds like it's great to watch this evolution from each of these generations tyrian comes from this kind of in-between younger generation that's ready to lead, but look at Ariane, look at Asha, look at a lot of their conflict that they handle

and their plots. And their insecurities are very different, right? Like, looking at Asha's insecurities in comparison to, like, Sansa's insecurities are very different. Yeah. And then looking forward to the generation of character of like the Little Fingers and Cats and Circe's, those insecurities are different too. They don't necessarily change. They just evolve, right? Little things that you see those characters maybe felt when they were younger and ties from the Brandon and Little Finger kind of story with Kat and Liza, right? Like, you see those insecurities have taken root and turn them into the characters that they are today.

So it's kind of a fun aspect for us to delve into stage two for Tyrion. This is a character that's born of these little pricking insecurities that have become worse and worse over time and a character that, like, was nursed on loneliness. Unlike his siblings who had one another and their looks and bodies and had their mother to protect them in some aspects that they needed, probably. He did not necessarily have that, clearly. So, I don't know, he's a character that's been forced to live in the underhand. Like, every single day, he lives in, like, a state of microaggression against his very being. Or every other paragraph.

Yeah, or just aggression. So when you have somebody that has faced that, whose existence has become very much hypocrisy to the standard for masculinity around him, when you have someone who's cunning and shrewd and observant and lonely, what do they do? What are their weaknesses? Which I think we'll explore a lot more of that as we go forward. Probably a lot of a clash of kings, now that I say that. And also their strengths, which are very apparent in clash. and Tyrion's first chapter also comes at such a sharp moment, right? Like moments before, the page before this,

Bran has just fallen to his question mark, question mark grave, doom? No one knows, right? Brand has just like smacked down because of the incest discovery. What a choice for placement that we have not seen Jamie or Circe close up necessarily yet. We have seen them somewhat from afar as these haughty figures from the Starks. And now that we have seen them up close from Bran, and Brand gets thrown to the ground, flash, here we are, intro to Tyrion, the somewhat socially more adjusted Lannister question mark, somewhat, somewhat. And right before Brand's fall, Brand recognizes, right? The queen, and now Brand recognized the man beside her.

They looked as much alike as reflections in a mirror, while that mirror breaks and hears Tyrion, very different from them in many ways. And what a choice. That's such a great choice for conflict for your audience, just snap the rubber band and throw you into that look at Tyrion, especially because you open the chapter and you realize, Tyrion is like us. He's the every man reading the book. He's the one opening up to a cozy winter day and winter fell

or winter night at the fireplace with his books about things and stuff and dragons and inventions and history, drinking wine and just like enjoying what he's doing before the adventure unfolds, patting around. It's incredible. It's a very fun shift in tone. Rip Bran on the ground, obviously, but like Tyrion's built different, I guess. You come into this chapter and like, ah, things are somehow going to be a different tone. And you start getting all of these deep, rich politics or what you think is happening under the surface, but also you get a peek at like what's not happening. Like the land of are not as complex as maybe

the Starks are making them out to be. As we learn, like, Cersie and Jamie had no clue in the last chapter, Jamie's like, I don't know, throw him on the ground. Like, the bodies at the floor.

The bodies at the floor. Yeah, that's Jamie. Last chapter. No, literally. Like, IDK, bye. Good luck. To use a term that I learned from Chloe, baby town frolics.

That's... Thank you. We get that from Archer is where we get that from. Right, the old text. I haven't... That also, I haven't thought about Archer. I haven't watched it in a long-ass time. Yeah, I think, as you said, like, there's something really great about... You go from, again, like that perspective of, we just watch these people, throw a little kid out a window, and then to get that insight into their family through T. and as you said, right, he's very much in every man perspective.

And I think that's a huge part of the thesis of what George is doing. And of course we'll talk about the evolution of the character, right? Like he doesn't stay the every man necessarily, not the every like POV insert. Like, oh, this is who I'd be. Like, he's an underdog that was born into a rich family, right? So you have a little bit of the good and the bad. You have a lot of the poison as well as like enjoying his character. and that's something that I really like about Tyrion.

I like his grit. It reminds me of the chapter with Bran after he's woken back up in Winterfowl and when he's kind of being frustrated about his disability, right? Like he's not having a very on day. He is just like, fuck you, I'll never be able to move my body again.

This is bullshit. I'm mad at the world. And Tyrion has that, but it's like throttled, like needleed into his character bit by bit because again, he's a generation past that. everything he does is poisoned by that frustration in just a little bit and you see it build up right like the little reminders of his physical incapability are margin to margin every other paragraph every other page whether it's at the hands of his siblings or his father or other lords and ladies and the they thems of the realm i enjoy that though like i love that poison i love the vulnerability and the frustration because it's something like i don't let myself with my own disabilities with my own issues. I don't let myself dwell in that as much as, you know, maybe I want to, right? Like, I don't know. There's something in us as humans like, oh, you know,

like you've got to keep going and things are better in the world good, or you could also like hate your life. And I am so capable of both feelings and I've come to accept that in my life more and but I also have this like crazy feeling and I think something that Tyrion also gets across is like he is not seen or enabled or empowered to buy into equity of the world surrounding him because of his disability and that his mind as he will tell us in Tyrion 2 with the Wetstone quote which is so good but he will talk about you know like I've had to use my mind as a weapon And because my body is a failure, like, because I can't physically keep up, I cannot physically execute, like, and knowing that every day there are things you will never do just because you will

never get to them. Like, that's a fact, right? So it's crazy to kind of balance the idea of, like, your brain has outpaced your body. And, like, how do you live with that? How do you live with that without blowing up? like when he has his great speech in Storm in front of the court, you know, and he's like, fine, I'll be the fucking monster. Like, how not?

How fucking not, dude. How not? How not? And that he's the one, I mean, speaking of the how not, right? For him to be able to give that speech shows, like, that he understands it. And, like, as you said, there's an aspect of Tyrion that is, like, shaped by the narratives of what people believe about disability. And I think, like,

and you're talking about him being the underdog and loneliness. Part of the thing is both he and Denaries are very much at the emotional heart. We've discussed this before. They are part of the thesis of what the books are about. And like, I think something that bothered me is the way that he was received at the end of the show. Like, do I think that they absolutely wubified him? Yeah, do I think that, like, that was the same tier you get in the books? No.

But. No. But I do think there were some great aspects of his family and why he was doing the things he was doing. There's that. And I think, like, him being, as you pointed out, disabled, him having dwarfism, when something impacts how you literally move throughout the world or don't, it becomes part of who you are. It shapes who you are. And it bothered me that people, because they only don't.

only saw, you know, to an extent, his maleness or his class, which is explored throughout the books, they erase that part of him. And you cannot erase that part of him. And to an extent, that's almost a metaphor, right? Not even a metaphor. It ain't that just the way. The way people erase and, like, ignore and overlook disability. But that gets erased as part of Tyrion's character. I think you just can't. And, like, it's not always going to be, it's not always going to be, as you said, like positive, like, yeah, we can do it every single day, like, yeah, optimism, right? And even though we do see Tyrion exhibit, interestingly, a balance between, like, snark, power, et cetera, and optimism in this very introductory chapter,

it's not. Like, people want everyone to be a fucking, like, polyanna when it comes to, like, their body. And we get to see what that will do to a person when it comes to Tyrion, and what it happens when people, like, let that define how they see you. And also throwing it out there, we'll probably say it like a million times under coverage of Tyrion, George's favorite play, his favorite Shakespeare play, not favorite play necessarily. His favorite play is going to be the Roberts Rebellion one, of course, but his favorite Shakespeare play is Richard the third.

It's going to be the musical we make about it. Oh. But is Richard the third, and there's so much of Tyrgy. that is influenced by that play. So much of many characters who are. And so that's something that like... Yeah. Hell.

And then you have the Vassaris to, like, Richard the 3rd, Vesaris to Tyrion Lannister vibes are strong. Yeah. And again, like, Tyrion doesn't do good things throughout these books. He's not a real person. He's, as much as, like, Jamie and Circe may be mirrors for each other. Tyrion, like any of the other characters are also mirrors for us to examine

our own humanity. And you know, I do see him also as kind of a Thomas Cromwell kind of character. Oh, okay, interesting, yeah, yeah. That could be something we do after this, woof hall together. I would love, oh my God, I could say wolf haul all the time and everyone can be like she said, Woof funny again.

Everyone would be so fucking excited if you did that. Yeah, Wolf Wolf Hall. But yeah, so Thomas Cromwell from Wolf Hall, Hillary Bantel, he is very much in some aspects, not totally in class, like he has a different class trajectory than Tyrion in some aspects, but like he also has that very same, same kind of cutting and shrewdness and survival instinct that I think I really like about Tyrion, and I see that in a lot of it as well.

So something interesting to keep in mind with some of his political moves when he gets back to court, and as we do, A-Coc and A-Sos, and really excited to get vulnerable and toxic. You know, it's like Girls Gone Canaan toxic season. So we're in our Tyrion era. It's only going to get worse from here. Buckle up, embrace it. I do want to talk about the elephant in the room

because, you know, there's a few definitions we got to get in the glossary before we jump in. All right, Aliana, Tyrion Targaryen. Like, what's your answer? I'm a Tyrion Targaryen agnostic, but I actually think, like, people are saying there is no narrative value to it. It doesn't fit into the themes.

And I've thought about this enough that I actually think that there is like a way that it makes a lot of stuff. We probably already, I wouldn't be surprised if I've already gone into this whole tier. Talked by it a little. Yeah, I feel like I've talked about it probably on the podcast. I know that I've talked about how it can fit in thematically in depth on the history of Westrose podcast. But that was like, that was also a lifetime ago. That was like. I don't want to even say it.

Don't say how many years ago that was. It was like four apartments ago, I don't know. So, um, I do think it can actually work really well with the themes of the story. But yeah, Tyrion Targary and Agnostic. How about you? Okay. Okay. This is good.

We're going to check like every book and see where you're at, you know? I am gunned to my head, truther. Okay. Interesting. However, yeah, like, I, if you got a pick, yes or no, I think it's true. I am aware that realistically the timelines probably don't line up as well as Jamie and Circe technically, right? No, that's the reason why I'm so agnostic because arguably... Is because that...

The world of vice and fire, actually, in my opinion, provides more evidence for Tyrion Targaryen than for the Jamie and Searcy twins being Aresus. There's actually more strength around it being Tyrion. That's what I was trying to parse, but also, like, not just that, but then why? Let's just boil it down to you only do three books. Not six, not nine, you do three books, okay? One, two, three. Why is the crux of Tyrion's plot dealing with his quote-unquote father,

but then why the entire first book is he introduced a long set? We have the whole book to discuss this, actually, so I'm not going to keep going, But it's in the first book in a lot of ways. Like, you know, we talked a lot about Bran and looking for signals for the end in Brand in a Game of Thrones and how these Game of Thrones chapters have like concentrated doses of the plot in them of the outline. And I do think that it's true and Tyrion will never know. And I think he might think about it and it might torture his overarching character like the

entire time. But if you read the next chapter, and we'll talk about it next week. If you read Tyrion 2, you're not going to read it the same way again. I mean, he talks about how as a little boy, all he did was stare into fires and think about dragons. Like, what is the point of that? Why did Tyrion just stare in the fires and think about dragons all the time? And why does he have two mismatched eyes?

And why does he have white blonde hair? Why? I'm going to have to, like, go resurrect my notes, but I really do think it can't. work from a thematic standpoint. And we'll talk about it. Yeah, I think thematically it's there. Yeah, we'll talk about it when we get to, I'll resurrect those notes. Firewhite resurrect them for.

We'll debate it in two books. I mean, like, the debate is just you and me against other people. And no one, if, yeah. If, yeah, I think, like, we actually hold, listen, we're the underdogs in this argument by holding that perspective. So no one can take that from us. All right. whatever.

Oh my God. The pendulum swings once more with Tyrion, you know? It always does. It comes around every five to ten years. It really does. And I think, I don't know. Tyrion's just like honestly a brilliant character. He's not a good person and that's the fucking point.

Who is? Good isn't what a person is. Yo, I just told someone that on Thursday of last week. Not in those words. And that's where I got from. Yeah, no, it was a time. Well, welcome to Tyrion One in a Game of Thrones where we open the chapter with, Somewhere in the great stone maze of Winterfell, a wolf howled.

The sound hung over the castle like a flag of mourning. Tyrion Lannister looked out from his books and shivered, though the library was snug and warm. Something about the howling of a wolf took a man right out of his here and now and left him in a dark forest of the mind, running naked before the pack. When the dire wolf howled again, Tyrion shut the heavy leather-bound cover on the book he was reading, a hundred-year-old discourse on the changing of the seasons by a long dadmaster. He covered a yawn with the back of his hand. His reading lamp was flickering.

Its oil all but gone as dawn light leaked through the high windows. He had been at it all night, but that was nothing new. Tyrion Lannister was not much a one for sleeping. Welcome to average night of Chloe. The oil lamp is about the blue light from my phone. Because I poison my brain further. Yeah. Yep.

3 a.m. waking up, go on time to read. I was thinking that recently. No, this is so good. About you and you're reading, yeah. Because I was like, hmm, I need to get a bedside lamp so that I can read physical books. And I was like, Chloe reads a lot bad than I remember, Desica. She's shining that light into her eyes. Or I'm a e-reader.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Just straight. I'm trying to really be a source to let us do research later. You know, I'm trying to get my macros in of using blue light. Well, it's also, like, hard for him to go to sleep, right? He's reading a hundred-year-old Twitter discourse. Like, can you imagine? It's probably not that well edited.

Yeah, the feet is just, like, hitting dopamine, like, every second for him. Scroll, scroll, like. scroll. But yeah, he probably is reading scrolls. Anyways, sorry. It's like 2019 on Twitter. I know, right? Oh, my God. It's such a cozy opening chapter considering what just happened, where some kid

got yeated out of a window. And it's kind of, I don't know, like, we actually did do this, considering that our last POV denarius is one that stretches from the beginning of the books to like now. So I can't be like, oh, we haven't been in a Game of Thrones row. We have. But we are back very much with the world building of a Game of Thrones as we restart a new one.

And I love that, like, you get to see again how he ramps things up with like this detail drop of the tome about the changing of the seasons. Yeah, I love that in the first book especially, you have a lot more on the nose of the world building pieces. I think he does it a lot more eloquently as he goes on and it becomes more background and like part of the set, not the main event. but here he gets a little heavy with it in this chapter. So we have a couple books. His legs stiff, he massages them and limps back to the table where Septin Chale snores reading about the life of Grand Master Ethelmere. Chale wakes up and Tyrion is like,

shelve the books, take care of the Valerian scrolls, they're super dry. And also, Aramidon's Engines of War is rare. That's the only copy he's ever seen. You know, Tyrion's a connoisseur. So this is like our friend Madeline, actually, who was on in Danny. She's always reading like a bajillion thing. She's read everything. I always think it's you that's reading everything.

And I'm like, no, Madeline and my mother-in-law have read everything. I'm like playing Pocopia. I feel that. I've played a lot of CK3 this week, actually, when I was in like my depression spiral and it rocked. It fucking rocked. It was great. I did nothing. My brain was dead.

It's awesome. We love burnout. Yeah, chales half asleep, so Tariad repeats his instructions, then he goes on out to the cold morning air, down the steps of the library tower, steep and spiraling, high and narrow steps. That, unfortunately, his short, twisted legs have to conquer. Yeah. The changing of the seasons being hit on immediately is very fun. Also, shout out intro of a Valerian scroll, Engines of War being significant, considering dragons are coming. Oh, yeah, yeah.

This chapter and next, Tyrion lays it on very thick of, oh, it's too bad about dragons, and oh, it's been 150 years, and oh, I really like dragons. I'd love to see one someday. So it keeps coming up. In fact, he's like, John Snow, what about you? Do you like dragons? Do you think about dragons a lot? You should think about dragons, dude.

He's like calling to him. A thing that perhaps you should think about. And I don't know, when you were reading and talking about, like, the rare copy, like the rare complete copy of Air Midians Engines of War I kept thinking about... Isn't it interesting? I kept thinking about like that

sound meme. I don't know what the term is anymore for those like trending audio of like I have the world's only 24-carat Laboo-boo. That's him with this copy. But also...

That's analysis. That's analysis. I also like, you know, we were talking about him and his disability. That's getting highlighted here of how it, you know, castles, like, the very world isn't, like, made for him. He has to really just climb around, like, on his, it hits harder. I think it's going to really hit different on this reread to going to the veil, right? True. Considering, like, that's, like, walking up and finding out the elevators out, and you have to go up, like, a bajillion sets of stairs. Also, if

you can't do heights, good luck. Yeah, I think I would simply say at the bottom, I'd be like, I'll just be down here. Goodbye. The gates of Aaron are good enough for me, you know? Yeah. Granted, I guess he didn't. It is interesting to think about, yeah, right? When you're a prisoner, you kind of have to make it to the top.

Yeah, you want to be on top? I haven't watched that yet. The documentary. No, I'll watch it with you when. I'll watch it with you. Oh, okay. I've already watched it, but I'll watch it again. Okay, interesting.

I'd watch it again for you. Okay. Find it interesting. The throttling of dragons, right? Like, obviously George is inching us towards dragons are coming. But also, I think it's crazy that Winterfell does have this scroll. And maybe George didn't see the value of what that looks like yet. So, like, maybe it's a gardeningism from George.

But I am like, so who did that? Like, after Brandon Snow was like, time to shoot a, with arrows, like, did they have that scroll before or after? Is the Engines of War what gave them the idea to bring down the dragons or try to? Oh, interesting. Hmm. Yeah. Huh.

I don't know. And crazy because the library burns, so... Yeah. Like, is that in there? And then also, what other Valerian scrolls are in there? And, like, are we going to go in there and find some Valerian scrolls in there? Yeah. I also am, like, do you ever think that perhaps some of those, like, rare Valierians?

Balearian scrolls? Are they, like, this library only has one copy, whereas some of it is like, I don't know, we got like 20,000 of these in Esos, you know? Also, like, who the fuck knows what they fucking meant by this shit, you know? Like, there ain't no dragons anymore. These Balearians are crazy is probably what they're thinking. There ain't even Filarians anymore. But there are a lot.

They just don't have dragons. They're just partying and drinking water fire or some shit, convincing their friends to do it. Yeah, they're, like, convincing their friends. They're like, hey, you're royal, right? Why don't you drink some wildfire? That's what's going to happen to Aryan. Snort this wildfire. Aliana, they're...

Rub it on your gums. They're Americans, so they're not thinking that anyone else exists. You know what I mean? They're just like, whatever. Esos isn't real. Europe's not real. That is how... Well, ESOS does think about Western

when they're like, what weirdo? Like, they're like, I don't know. I don't want to talk to those people. They don't bathe. So, anyways. They don't know. Algebra. As Joan or Ryan would say.

Jesus. The sun is threatening to rise and below. Here's everyone get ready, mostly Chloe. I felt like you tried to imply he was a POV earlier. Sandra Klugain and Joffrey, they're going back and forth discussing about how the boy is long to die. The boy is a brand, by the way, and the wolves are howling as he dies. And Joffrey could barely sleep. Sandor offers to silence the creature, weighing his sword, slicing at the air.

And Joffrey is delighted being like, ha-ha, I said the dog to kill a dog. The Starks would never even notice. And Tyrion's like, no, I think they fucking would. Because the Starks can count past six, unlike him. And it gives us a little bit of an idea, right? This chapter tells us how many days it's basically been since Brand was thrown, which is not just like five seconds ago, it turns out, because that's... did just happen in the books.

Yeah, there's a little bit of passage of time. And also wanted to point out that you can see the beginnings of the cat's paw plot right here too. We just focused on the tower so much and the library tower, which is about to catch on fire in a chapter or whatever or two. And then Joffrey being delighted saying, oh, send a dog to kill a dog. The Starks would never even notice. So he's starting to also put together his plan to send the cats.

cat spa after Brand. So that whole plan is coming to fruition kind of in the side here. Yeah. Kid takes like the worst ideas and jokes and is like, okay, but what if that was real? Honestly. Well, when Sandorkelegan is your kid's only mentor and everybody else hates your kid because he has bad vibes, this is what you get. Including his quote unquote dad.

Yeah. Honestly, like everyone's lucky. Like, maybe they're unlucky that Joffrey didn't have access to YouTube. I don't know. Oh my god. Imagine if he had access to TikTok. Oh, yeah. Lebooboo.

He'd be banned. Yeah. Oh, my God, is gold La Boo Boo, stop. Meeting the insult, by the way. This just tickles me. Sander goes, a voice from nowhere, spirits of the air looking around. LMAO. It's not fair to Tyrion, but like I do treat my shorter friends like this.

So like LMAO. And that means if you are shorter than I am, I will treat you this way. And you probably are. Sandor is like, oh, didn't see you down there. Yeah, you probably are. That's true. Sandor's like, oh, didn't see you down there. How's the weather down there?

You know, total asshole. But Tyrion's like, I'm not in the mood for your insolence. And he tells Joffrey, you should call on Lord Uttered and Lady Catalan. And Joffrey's like, what the fuck is that going to do? They don't want to see me, which is true. They don't want to see his bitch ass, by the way. but like, yes, Tyrion's right, you should. And Tyrion's like, well, it's expected of you and your absence has been noted.

Like, you got to do the formalities, kid. Low key. I love Sandor, but, like, interesting. He's out here talking about, like, the noise of the kid hitting the ground. And I'm like, interesting, what noise did it make when your face got put in the fire? Sizzle, sizzle. Do you want to talk about that, Sandor? Shut the fuck up, actually.

also like interesting the projecting he's doing here to feel bigger next to Tyrion question mark question mark question mark right again sandor's like you know six foot wrong um and then also like in front of Joffrey to look bigger to Joffrey which again we learn throughout the books like Joffrey's easier to deal with when he's under your control and he's very amenable when he are in favor with him so maybe to give that perspective. Sandor is like, all right, this is how I keep the kid happy and he leaves me the fuck alone. But also, I think he just enjoys and delights in being evil because he's an anime villain in the first

book. It doesn't get unraveled for another book. Yeah, Joffrey, oh, you mean Sandor or Joffrey? Yeah, no, Sandor, I don't care about Joffey. I was like, because he's thought as much. I'm just kidding. I actually care about Joffrey a little. He has his interactions with Sonsa. Yeah, actually same. We've discussed it a lot. I think we've maybe discuss it.

too much. I'm fond of that little terrible kid. I feel bad for him in some ways. In some ways I don't. I'm like, you had free will like everyone else. But anyways, Sandor,

I do think it's interesting. Like, I kind of forgot how weird this interaction is because you were talking about the ages of the characters earlier and how Tyrion's POV is a very different stage from some of the young people that we've seen. Littlefinger, I think is interesting

because he's kind of in the middle. He's like, what, 29, 30? So he's like, not quite, I think, cat ned I put him in in some ways a lot with like Sandor and Tyrion honestly usually because I like see those life stages similar but having

never I was going to say having been through them then I was like who what am I talking about? What am I disclosing? That's not true but it's interesting because yeah Sandor's dialogue here feels very immature

it feels like weird school yard bully thing and like he is trying to impress the 13 year old whereas Tyrion in some ways feels very old soulish in the way that he's portrayed but then you suddenly realize wait they're like the same age

like literally the same age but and you were talking about you know Sandor perhaps trying to curry favor with Joffrey but it's kind of this like weird interesting feedback loop because we also know that like

Joffrey really looks up to Sandor right and so it's just it's just really fascinating the way people who are, yeah, of similar ages. And I guess Sandor and Tyrion, I don't know, you were talking about the projection, there is quite a lot that's similar there in regards to the sort of things people will put on you based on your appearance.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, interesting, right, that he's lashing out at him when they both have the same fucking issues, just different. Yeah. We're all taking bites of the same heap of shit, man, you know? Life sucks. Yeah. Well, let me have this.

exchange. The Stark boy is nothing to me. Joffrey said, I cannot abide the wheeling of women. Tyrion Lannister reached up and slacked. His nephew hard across the face. The boy's cheek began to redden. One word, Tyrion said, and I will hit you again. I'm going to tell mother!

Joffrey exclaimed. Tyrion, hit him again. Now both cheeks, flame. You tell your mother, Tyrion told him. But first, you get yourself to Lord and Lady Stark, and you fall to your knees in front of them, and you tell them how very sorry you are, and that you are at their service if there is the slightest thing you can do for them or theirs in this desperate hour, and that all your prayers go with them. Do you understand?

Do you? The boy looked as though he was going to cry. Instead, he managed a weak nod, then he turned and fled headlong from the yard, holding his cheek. Honestly, like, I don't really care about, like, the accent or whatever. And I know he's too handsome, but Peter Dinklage acted the hell out of first season, Tery. And, like, the other seasons as well based on what he was given, but I, I, like, can't. He could read the phone book, and I'd listen to it. I can't, like, unsee him, like, doing, too.

I'm, like, wow, I'm... Yeah, that's all. I like, rereading this scene, like, he really did bring this character to life. I'll never be him, yeah. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, no, you're better. I don't want to disparage Chloe's... No, no.

Never mind, no facts. I'm sorry. That is not what I meant. It's just, like, rereading these. I'm like, dang. I mean, the whole chapter. We'll make a new podcast. Okay.

I'll find someone who appreciates me for who I am. I didn't think about the implication of what I was saying. I'm so sorry. You hurt my feelings. I know. It's totally fine. I literally don't care. Fuck Peter Dinklage.

Wow, we almost divorced on here. What a terrible actor. So, strong intro here. Like, I do feel like this passage does carry a lot of weight for family dynamics. We understand Terrian's relationship with Joffrey, quite a bit. No wonder Joffrey was like, yeah, let's get rid of my uncle man. He's a major bummer. He is such a major bummer. He's always yelling at me, hitting me, dude. Like, I don't know. Interesting. The influences we see in Joffrey's life continually chastise him, make fun of his masculinity

in front of the entire court he has to someday rule in front of. Like, Renly, and when Joffrey gets beat up by a girl on the Trident, which, I mean, low-key, great, love it. But, um, I'm not saying like feel bad for boys or anything. I'm just saying that like the way he was dressed down publicly that Renley was like giggling and was like, I want to hear about how you got beat up by a girl dude. That's not good to do with the heir, even though you're the brother to the actual king. So like you got some leeway. But I'm like, you know, these are the influences in his life outside of his father and his not a father. So we start to see kind of these

Netwell His not a father We start to see these negative influences Where Wow We get to see them like playing on that line of like What masculinity looks like in Westeros And how people literally cannot measure up to it

Yeah Whether it's Tyrion Or how they are playing into it so hard for their visage in order to survive Like Sandor And then you even see that with like Renley too, right? Like, why is Renley in light of his own struggles living up to that ideal

in Westrose, like, cyclically passing down the abuse to Joffrey? Like, I mean, clearly, obviously, not really Robert's kid, but in a perfect world, you know, if we were just accepting it and just moving on with our lives instead of causing the little dramas,

Tyrion and Renley, like, are compensating for parts of their personality. So again, not to defend Joffrey, but this is what he has around him. You can see why he is the way he is. He does not have much positive reinforcement going on, just evil bad reinforcement, because then he like turns around and his mom's like,

but you could do nothing wrong, honey. Yeah, it's absolutely like, he's kind of like a product of all that, but not like in an excusing way. Like, this is what you get. You know, when you combine like a bunch of shit in a bowl together, like, of course it's going to produce that. What did you expect?

It's poop from your butt Like you took a perfectly good thing And look, you gave it trauma You gave it anxiety You know, that meme This is analysis Yeah It's a cucumber

But Yeah, absolutely And as you said Like Everyone tells him And he can't seem to figure out That the way to exhibit Like I guess

strength isn't by trying to cling onto it even more, right? It becomes like sand in his fingers. Sandoran is it? Anyways. Sand in his fingers where he can't seem to grasp it because all that he's ever shown is this toxic side of it and he can't understand like, why does no one respect me? Why does no one think of me as a man? But no one's shown him like positive masculinity. And if someone had, honestly, he might be like, he might have been able to like figure it all out.

they've only shown him violence and he said that's what he's told manhood is and even Tyrion right buys into that narrative eventually too in the later books he's like well is manhood not violence and it isn't but that is what they're told that's their social script

yeah um also I think this is one of those exchanges that's just like it's just great at how Tyrion is framed to us the reader and the way the sort of like thought experiment that George is playing with throughout all of a song of ice and fire regarding villains and sort of like pulling one over on the audience of like what will you forgive what audience are you willing to forgive when you're shown someone and you feel so much

like them. You feel like someone who would stay up all night in a library all close it up, which is why you're here reading like a fucking 500 page fantasy book, right, in the 90s. Of course, that's the kind of person you are. Right. But like, is it good to hit your nephew? And he makes it feel so satisfying, right? Because of the other ways that we've seen Joffrey. We know he's a bully. And of course, he's a bully for making fun as someone for their height, right? Like, he's clearly apart from the other Lannisters. And the fact that he stands up to Joffrey when we see that no one else has makes him seem like someone who isn't daunted by authority. He is, as you pointed out earlier,

right? He's an outsider. And he's willing to stand up to Joffrey when no one else will. It's very much an audience wish fulfillment, especially if you grew up during a time in which, like, you were the kind of person who got made fun of for maybe like reading fucking fantasy books in the 90s or 80s or however the fuck old you are. and Joffrey very much resembles those schoolyard bullies, same as Sandor resembles those schoolyard bullies, and Tyrion feels like someone who actually is doing something, and then George starts to really twist that.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, is it good? I don't know. I don't know that it is. I think that someone needed to teach Joffrey about politics and what was appropriate from a young age, and no one did because his quote-unquote dad, was being, you know, how we know Robert is. His mother was being who his mother is, and he wasn't learning anything of value,

but this is like too little too late, and the punch is cementing that it's too little too late. Yeah. It's really interesting, yeah. The punch being the wine, right? So. The fermented punch of grapes. Yes.

Oh my God, that's what happened. Maybe not. That would probably feel better. Fruit punch. Anyways. So. as Joffrey runs off, Sandor's like, the prince will remember that. And Tyrion's like, good, remind him if he forgets it, bitch.

Anyway, Tyrion's looking for his brother, who Sandor's like, ah, breaking fast with the queen, a likely place for him to be. So Tyrion heads toward the cold, cheerless meal that's laid out in the guest house where Jamie and Circe are talking in hush tones, and the other children are there seated, Tom and and Marcella. He asks, is Robert asleep? And Circe says, the king has taken the stark sorrow to heart and hasn't slept at all. And Jamie's like, he has a big heart with a lazy smile.

Jamie never takes anything seriously, Tyrion thinks. But had been the only one in their childhood to give any affection to Tyrion. So Tyrion forgives him anything. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, pay attention to this. It's going to be important later in the plot. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Interesting that, like, Tyrion forgives everything that Jamie does ever. Like, he consciously thinks that.

He's like, oh, I'd let Jamie do anything. But then, like, slaps the shit out of his kid. Yeah. There's a lot of unsaid resentment for a lot of things and a lot of what he had to bear for Jamie all these years. I think too that we'll get to of like you know Jamie's role in the family and Tyrion could have just been a playboy like he could have just fucked off and maybe made a marriage at some point and done whatever he wanted but then he got stuck in this fucking purgatory limbo of like am I daddy's number one boy or is daddy going to break the law and rewrite

the law for it to be someone else it's do do do do do do do do do he is Kendall is Tyrion though But Oh like the patricide Like that's him for real It's so him There's something Actually the way that you like

Refraised all of that Regarding Jamie And Tyrion Like something else just like Clicked for me Like Tyrion It goes to show how his character Is just so

Desperate for kindness Right He's so desperate Starved for love Exactly That even though Jamie Jamie shows is being the only person who shows him any sort of kindness in his life, any sort of like

inkling of true love. And it's not that much. It's not that much compared to like a lot. Honestly, like, I think like in some ways, Jamie does like show like actual affection and real affection to Tyrion. But the fact that Tyrion's so unused to it, Starfort, that he will forgive nearly anything just shows like, it's, it's one of the questions that the books ask. What will you go to?

Yeah. What are the lengths you will go to to feel love? What will you let go of? How will you debase yourself to feel any sort of worthiness? Well, and that's where like season seven, eight, Tyrion works for me in some ways, right? Like, obviously not the journey of how we got there, but like, as he's standing there, realizing, like, wait, my brother's in there, dude. Yeah.

Wait. Like, God, I'm conflicted. But there's so much about his dad in this shit that didn't really, like, have. I don't know, but, God, I love Tyrion. Dude, we get to do this for a year. Yeah. A whole year. Are you excited?

I am. And I think, like, that's something you and I have discussed often. That's the thing that the show missed. That was the point of what will you do to squeeze any bit of love out of life in the world is the thing that ties his and Denarius' story together. Yes. That is the thread between their characters and one of the big. questions that the books ask.

And, yeah, I mean, right for the beginning, we're showing this establishing work, ugh, good that it's laid from the beginning so that it hurts all the more when it happens. There's a lot of great groundwork laid here for him and Jamie and for the later twist and betrayal. And then, like, even in the next chapter, I forgot that he talks about, like, how a dwarf's fate often would be being sold off into slavery for a grotesquery. And I'm like, oh, shit, that's in like the next chapter. Like George very much knew what he wanted to do with Mr. Tyrion throughout these books.

Yeah. Yeah. A servant takes Tyrion's order for bread, fish, and a good dark beer. That sounds awesome. Yeah. And burnt bacon. I'll take that too. And then he turns to look at his twin siblings who are dressed in deep green just like their eyes.

They wear golden accessories and Tyrion's like, I wonder what it's like to be a twin, let alone being a human that's not me. Oh my god, okay, Eeyore Yeah Wonder what it's like To be a human That's not me Eeyore is a donkey Anyways

That's true Good job Alianna So he knows He already knows Anyways Or to be a human He's not his tailpin on every morning bro He has to be a human who's not him

Never mind anyways Um She retracts her Sorry. I'm getting confused about what's an animal and what's a human and how, like, sentences work. So, I will say that... Are you having a stroke? I don't know. I just want to discuss that because of the timing of this episode and, like, this came out during the time that we weren't doing our POV chapters,

it's great coming on the heels of that meme that went around because I revisited it again of, of the the cartoon where it's Ceresi surrounded by her children and the like Lanister kids, the illustration, and then Ned also surrounded by his kids and being going, explain. Why do they not look like their father? Like, that killed everyone. That was so good. Explain. Explain.

And then Ceresia's disgusted face and then the kids all with their eyes all be like, mm-hmm. Oh, so funny. Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I'm not going to explain. Oh, wait. Actually, our friend Tanna sent a bunch of memes for Chloe to practice. That's usually my job. Yeah.

But anyways. Yeah, next week. Next week. Next week. But I'm giving us a little warm up and doing a very bad job. And I'm not going to put it there for all of you to see because you should have already seen it. It should already be in your soul. Anyways.

This moment where Tyrion is wondering, like, what must it be like to have a twin? And I'm glad that I don't. Is a really great exposition into how Tyrion perceives. himself, that he cannot even stand to look at himself, right? And in a vacuum, if you don't know what everyone else looks like, you don't know that you're different, but it's really sowing that seed of self-hate, because it's not even just like the idea of looking at another person who looks like him. It's also the idea that another him in general is just dreadful to him. Like, the idea of having multiple selves, sure,

is interesting because the books explore that idea of like there are different versions of us that we show to the people outside that we show to different people. That's just what life is, right? But besides the outward appearance, he just cannot, it suggests that he cannot stand the idea of spending time with himself. And he's going to spend a lot of fucking time with himself in that barrel.

Yeah. And in general. And in the cell. That is the literal. Yeah. I think he, uh, he's going to have a lot of like parsing out to do.

in the next several books. Yeah. Note I say several books, by the way. Yeah. A lot of, um, naval gazing and self-exploration, you know? A lot of, a lot of that going on. Not like that. Don't be dirty. I mean, Tyrion's dirty.

Prince Taman asks, that's true. I guess this is like, if we're going to make dick jokes and shit. This is the time. This is the time to do it. Oh, yeah. This one's for the men. This could be it. We decided that we would let men have one thing. And it's the Tyrion.

Wait, it's men. gone canon now? It's a men gone canon now. During women's month, nonetheless. We're doing it during women's history month. Wait, I have to tell you something. So, I'm in an industry, a redacted industry that you all somewhat know that I'm in an industry. And there was a woman's luncheon at an event that I went to. And the industry that I'm in is majority men. But they had like a woman's luncheon. Women's networking lunch, right?

But you had to sign up for it in advance. I'm really going somewhere. You guys were to be like, oh, my God. We were to sign up for it in advance. And by the time we registered, it was already sold out. So you couldn't sign up for it. But they didn't put it in the program very well. So, like, we went to go get into the woman's luncheon networking event

because we are women who lunch and go to networking events. And they were like, sorry, like, it's sold out. But, you know, we're going to do a second shift. get people in that didn't get to go. Like, we're going to, like, break it up and, like, see if there's going to be people that leave and get a few extra. You know, we're going to give extras in. We're like, okay. So then we

stood there, and men of an age that is much older than I am, continually just went in because they pre-registered for it. What? The woman's networking event. Yeah. And so we just stood there, like, this is kind of messed up.

You should have gone up to them and said, explain. Why are they allowed? Just like in the way that Ned goes. Explain. Why do they not look like their father? Explain. Why do they not?

Yeah, explain. That's how I felt. So explain. I had to share that story of, you know, equality. I haven't told like anyone outside of like immediate friends. So I had to tell the whole world because it was just a wild experience. God. Well, Prince Tommin asks

Tyrion if there's been any news of Bran And Turing says There's no change, but no news is good news Because the Macer thinks that this is hopeful Tomon, a very good boy Doesn't want Brand to die And I'm like, aw, I don't want you to die Um, Jamie muses on

If wishes were fishes Oh, we just ordered fish Yeah. Jamie Bees us on Eddard's dead brother, Brandon, who was murdered by the king, Aries, the namesake for Bran. And he's like, not a lucky name, he declares, but Turian disagrees because it seems the boy may live. Yeah, the roots are strong, bitch. Jamie specifically calls Aries Targaryen, so by his sure name. So, you know, by his, not his formal name, not king, Aries, just Targaryen. I think that's interesting.

Not wanting to invoke his full name and the power in that. And then also like not respecting him as a king as he was the guy that, you know, unkinged him, dethroned him real good. So and also interesting because I'm like, in a way, Jamie avenges Brandon, you know. So it's funny that he's like, kid won't live long. Last Brandon died. But love this because also it's pointing at. He's going to live, motherfucker, forever. Maybe in a tree.

Maybe in King's landing in a tree. We don't know. We don't know yet, but good for him. Or not. He'll never die. He'll be able to carry out Blood Raven's sad dreams. That sounds like, I don't know, that sounds shitty. Yeah.

Kind of like the, um, the giver. The giver? Yeah. Lois Lowry. It's a utopian society that's eliminated. pain, conflict, and emotion through sameness, and you get to receive the memory and discover, like, the dark secrets behind it. There's a Doctor Who episode, basically that's the same as this.

But, yeah, kind of dystopian in a way. Kind of reminds me of that, too. Like, ah, you could have all this power. You know, red pill. Blue pill. Yellow pill. But then everyone that you love and know will die eventually. Right.

Anyways. Which is, yeah, as you said, Blood Raven stuff. Do you realize that you are the most beautiful time? Yeah. Or that everyone who lives will someday die. No, we're just telling people they're beautiful. Two types of people in the podcast. Circe looks wary at this. At this podcast.

And she has a very quick glance with her twin. She says the northern gods are cruel to make the child toil and pain. Jamie asks exactly what the macer said, which Tyrion tells them he said, If the boy were going to die, he would have done so already. It has been four days without change. And I... They're like all just talking like publicly to everyone about like just let the kid die. Of course Joffrey was going to send someone to kill him.

I know right. And I mean like honestly it makes sense why Ceres and Jamie were like, just let him die. Right? Because he caught us fucking. Like it makes sense. Best case scenario. Why they kept saying that they're like, I don't know, just let him die.

It's so weird in retrospect. Anyways. It's so mean when you think of it. Like they're like, whatever, we can lie about it in front of Tyrion. Like, if it weren't for the fact that they're the reason why brands like that and he caught them, like I bet in any other. scenario of someone else, they'd be like, oh, that's so terrible. I really hope the kid lives. But right now they're trying to push the narrative of like, but what if you just died?

It would be interesting, right? That's what they're saying. But every other time, they would actually play the courtesy and I see me, I'm like, oh, I really hope he gets well. I hope for the best. Anyways, yeah, I don't know how much of this was all built out yet, though, in terms of like what people knew about psychology and whatnot and what George knew. But Tyrion, like, catching those small expressions between his twins. It's very much just, like, hypervigilance on his part, right?

Like, always examining how people are reacting to things because he's trying to suss out. Especially, like, if your world is full fucking micro-slash-vass very macro-accrushions, right? This is a survival mechanism on his part. It's a trauma response. He's always like, how are people reacting to what I say? Because they have to like me or something, because that's how I'm going to have to have. have any sort of power because I can't get it physically. Yes.

But it's also kind of funny because it turns out in a lot of ways he's really bad at understanding what people think of him, which is why he ends up in the scenarios that he does constantly and seems to have quite the penchant for making enemies. Buffoon. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's something interesting too in that we were just talking. Like, I give good talk. Mm-hmm.

You know, like, Tyrion also gives good talk until he doesn't, right? Until he gives the wrong talk to the wrong person and ends up in a situation. He can't stop himself. Yeah. It's interesting because he knows people. Yeah, like he spent all of this time observing everything around him because he's never been allowed to participate in that world. Yeah.

And he has the seat at the table and flexes his power when he can have it. But also, like, it's a great nod that. that he knows about their incest because who doesn't? I love he's also more disengaged with it. He's like, of course. Like, yeah, it makes sense. He's like, yeah. I just quit hearing about it years ago.

Yeah, I mean, like, what is he going to do? They fuck. Be like, I mean, what's he going to do? Be like, fuck me instead. I don't know. I guess it's like, I mean, when you grew up in a family like that, yeah, I guess kind of didn't feel like that a little because he's like, why not mean, it's like, no, no, you're not supposed to feel that way.

I mean, we see it in ACACC with Circy. Yeah. We see it with Circey. You're not supposed to feel that way about your, like, it's not even that you were, she thought you were, no one, no. Yeah. Don't want that. His whole family was fucked. Uh.

Yeah, like, it's conditional love, you know, is what they peddled. Yeah. Everything was conditional in that family. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Marcella is like, is Brian going to get better? Because she's also a baby angel and she's also going to die.

And Tyrion's like, well, Bram. his back is broken and his legs are shattered, so he's basically barely alive. He probably won't walk again. But yeah, he might live. Yeah. It's just, I don't know, it's heartwarming to see little Marcella and Tommon again. They're so cute. Yeah, they'll never see each other again. True. Probably. They might briefly, but probably not. I mean, Marcella also won't see Joffrey again. So like, honestly, you're like, yeah, they're going to die because they're maybe angels. You don't got to be an angel to die because Joffrey doesn't. does too. And actually, like, honestly, like, I can say whatever and, like, okay, bet prove me wrong. What do you mean?

That they're not going to see each other again? About the books. Like, just speculate. Yeah. Like, who knows? I mean, it'd be nice if they did. But, like, probably not. But you can't prove it either way.

So I could be right until you prove it wrong. I'm right until proven wrong. Yeah. It's honestly, you're a move, George. Checkmate. Wait, and there's no move. Anyways. So, Circe asks, how likely, by the way, like on a sliding scale of zero to 100% do you think the chances are of that kid dying? That very poor kid, what's his name? Is he going to die? And Tyrion's like, God's alone, no, and he chooses bread. And then he's like, you know, that wolf of brands is. outside day and night howling. Maybe it's keeping Bran alive. And he says that they shut the windows at one point to shut out the noise and Brand began to weaken. And when they open them again, his heartbeat stronger. There must be a connection there. What's up with that?

Circe shudders, she's like, those creatures are unnatural and dangerous and they can't come back to King's Landing. And Jamie's like, what are you going to do? Like, how are you going to stop them from bringing their wolves to King's Landing? Do you want to have that complex? She's like, watch me. They follow the girls everywhere. Yeah, she's like, bet, I'll kill one right now. Yeah. She was right.

Actually, I mean, this is pretty much probably part of her wanting it. I mean, to kill Lady, you know. Yeah, you're right. Tyrion. If you had just not said anything, Tyrion, maybe Lady would have lived. Wow. We're blaming Tyrion now. Tyrion, how could you kill Lady?

She never forgets a slight, real or imagined. And that's our girl. Love you. Love you, Dululu. We love that girl. I don't know. I think, like, Tyrion's the same level of Delulu, and we're about to, like, see it from this angle, too.

So, excited. Anyways, Tyrion's, like, are you guys leaving so soon? What? You're going home? All sarcastically in service. He's, like, not soon enough. And then she's like, oh, you're not going with us? And he's like, no, I want to go see the wall.

And Benjin said he'd take me with that bastard voice, no. Aw, friendship. Okay, this is, like, probably, like, super dumb of me. But honestly, if I were male, I'd also want to try and piss off of things or piss on things, too, probably. Oh, yeah. I would put my penis on everything. I don't know if I'd put it on everything. Just put it on things to see how it feels.

Like, that's just, like, unclean, right? But I guess, like, I'd have less of a chance of getting UTIs. I mean, you can still get them. but longer urethra. I'm not saying like in everything, but just like on. Like, look, there's a thing of ice cream. Wonder what it feels like to put my dick on that.

No, that sounds painful. But I like the idea of that just like, you know, you can just, yeah, you can just pee anywhere. Like, that's interesting to me. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Very accessible. I also think this is really interesting characterization of Tyrion, right?

Like, there are some aspects where George absolutely gets the physical ability of Tyrion wrong, like in the John chapter where he's like, I don't know, doing somersaults in the air, like, okay, word. But especially in the context of when it comes to Bran and not walking again, I do think that this chapter between Tyrion opening up with being in the library and then Tyrion wanting to go to the wall, does a great job of showing that Tyrion very much has a sense of adventure, right? Whether he's always going to be able to do that or not physically. I mean, sometimes it's really not his choice because he's a prisoner. But like, his disability has,

like, it's a great way of showing that his disability hasn't like dulled his desire to learn, whether it's through books or through experience. And I think it's, I think that's very cool that he's like, I don't know, I'm going to go to the wall. Fuck it. Yeah. Also the sense of like, I have to do it now while I'm here. Yeah, right? I think now as we get old, especially the older I get, I'm like, I need to do X thing. Like, life is short and valuable and you actually don't really know anything about it. Like, and no one knows about the next part when you die.

Like, there's no one alive that can tell you about that part. So, like, you have to do the best you can at the first part, you know? Yeah. So I think that's also really important that he like is like, what if I'm never here again? Yeah. What if I'm never in the north again except suck. you're gonna be. You're gonna be,

ha ha. You're gonna be, get ready, you're coming back. It's gonna be like pretty weird there, though. Also, yeah, shit's gonna be a little crazy. So buckle up,

buckle up. Lady Stoneheart can tell you what it's like. I can tell you. I can tell you. So, Jamie smiles and he's like, I hope you're not taking the black on us. And Tyrion laughs.

And he's like, no, no, the sex workers of Westeros wouldn't hear of it. Common misconception, may I just put out there that, let me push my glasses up. Common misconception is that the Knights Watch can actually consort with sex workers. It is a very much don't fucking talk about it, everybody knows about it kind of thing. You just can't wed them. Anyway, yeah, you just can't marry them. But no.

Yeah. Tyrion says he wants to stand on the wall and piss off the edge of the world. Is Tyrion a flat earther? Is he stupid? That's so B.O.B. Is he stupid? Like airplanes in the night sky B.O.B. He's a flat earther.

Like shooting stars. Yeah. Well, I think Tyrion might be too because like, what? Piss off the edge of the world. Like, what? That's not the edge. It could be. Like that could be the edge of the turtle shell, you know?

Like. I guess it's like more con- The world is on a turtle. Yeah. The world's on a turtle. I don't know. I do want to say, it's interesting you brought up Stoneheart a minute ago

because I was thinking like there's something interesting here of like John DeCatlin on societal expectations. and like their relationship and then Tyrion and Circe, right? Stay with me. This is some like SAT shit. Okay.

Tyrion to Circe and then like John to Aria and Tyrion to Jamie. Okay. Right? Of that very intimate relationship and then that like very raw, terrible, bad relationship on societal expectations. Okay. Maybe they're a sexy now that I've. Anyways, no, they're not.

They're not sexy. not sexy, settle down. What am I thinking? But what if they were? No. Regular Ace Woff doesn't do it for me anymore. Now I'm just like crack shipper. Like, I don't even know what I believe anymore. I'm just like, they should all fuck. Tyrion, Tracy, and Catalan and John should buy. Oh, word. I don't know. I'm tired.

Word. I want a book. New things that are happening. Yeah? Yeah. Uh, yeah, that's pretty much what I had, though, is just like the relationship tie, like, especially reading the John and Aria goodbye and like John going to the tower and Lady Stark and him having their moment, their frigid moment together. Yeah. And her being like, get out.

I wish you were dead. Biot. And then going, you know, reverse. You have Tyrion and Circe and like their kind of thing back and forth, their tension with one another. But then you have the Arya bit at the end of the conversation. and Tyrion and Jamie at the end. So there's like a sweetness at the end of those chapters too. So a lot to mirror with John and Tyrion.

I'm very much interested in them. Yeah. As we move throughout this reread. Absolutely. I'm curious what, yeah, I'm curious what their interactions will be like again later on, John and Tyrion's. Yeah, when they meet once more on the other side of the war. Indeed.

Made you in the other side of the war. Okay. So, Circe decides this is an adult conversation taking place now that we're dropping things like pissing off the edge of the world. And she ushers the children out with her and Jamie and Tyrion have a very serious adult discussion together. I like how the pissing off the edge of the world is what makes it an adult discussion and not the what if the kid died or the I think the kid should die. Yeah, isn't that interesting. Lots to consider. Lots to consider.

Okay. Well, to end the first Tyrion chapter, Stark will never consent to leave Winterfeld with his son lingering in the shadow of death. He will if Robert commands it, Tyrion said. And Robert will command it. There is nothing Lord Edard can do for the boy in any case. He could end his torment, Jamie said. I would, if it were my son, it would be a mercy.

Interesting. To who, you, Jamie? whose secret the child ass? I advise against putting that suggestion to Lord Edard's sweet brother, Tyrion said. He would not take it kindly. Even if the boy does live, he will be a cripple.

Worse than a cripple, a grotesque. Give me a good clean death. Tyrion replied with a shrug that accentuated the twist of his shoulders. Speaking for the grotesques, he said, I beg to differ. Death is so terribly final while life is full of possibilities. Jamie smiled. You are a perverse little imp, aren't you?

Oh, yes, Tyrion admitted. I hope the boy does wake. I would be most interested to hear what he might have to say. His brother's smile curdled like sour milk. Tyrion, my sweet brother, he said darkly. There are times when you give me cause to wonder whose side you are on. Tyrion's mouth was full of bread and fish. He took a swallow of strong black beard to wash it all down and grinned up,

well fishly, at Jamie. Why, Jamie, my sweet brother, he said. You wound me. You know how much I love my family. Wow, doesn't that just say it, though, that entire person. passage is like, there you go. This is the arc. Which side are you on?

He grinned up wolfishly. That's your side right there. I feel like that's a first bookism. Yeah. I like it, though. In terms of the 93 letter. I think George put it there so I could say wolfishly. Oh, okay.

It just like feels 93 letter because remember like Tyrion was supposed to be the one instead of Theon who sacked Winterfell. Yes, to burn Winterfell. Yeah. And then he's like there and then like falls in love with Aria also. or something and whatever. Some bullshit. Yeah.

So I think like, I don't know. I feel like is that like a remnant? And George is like, I don't feel like editing this out. Yeah. I think it's cute. I think it's fun. Yeah. I like it.

And it's a cutting end, right? You have Jamie questioning his loyalty and Tyrion's love for him. Well, also basically telling Tyrion, like, Brand's life is not worthwhile, by the way. He's basically less than a human. So if he lives, he's crippled and his body doesn't work so his life isn't worth being a life. Like he's just taking up space.

You know that, right? Tyrion. And Tyrion's like, oh, so what about me? Is this how you feel about me, brother? Because I get this question from society every day of my life. So it's great to hear how you feel. So honestly, about this child that you fucking crippled, by the way. Right.

That Tyrion is also like instantly like interesting because I think it something to do with you fucking guys because you keep talking about murdering this child round circle also they're being a little obvious and also that like Tyrion is like wow what a horrible new life for Brand

like I really I feel for him this sucks for him and then his brother's like do you actually love me like insensitive poor timing poor Tyrion just another reason that Jamie sucks add it to the fucking list I've never cried about that bitch ass poser and you can't fucking prove it so

So, Tyrion, though, like we said, he goes with Jamie on everything. He crumbles to Jamie on everything. And, like, in many ways, a lot of his issues stem from his father's treatment. But also, I would argue maybe from Jamie's treatment, like the masculinity playing all these veiled layers of what they can and cannot say to one another and what truth. And then not just of masculinity, but Lanister pride, right? Like, we hear it in the next chapter from Tyrion when he tells John, I was born a I was not born that I can just do nothing.

Like, that's not possible. I was born with a mark on me from birth, that I am a lanister and I am not enough. And that shapes a lot of him in this first chapter and him and Jamie's relationship. Like, they can't actually be true with one another. They won't be true with one another. I love it. Yeah. Lying as bitches.

How can you be true with someone that, you know, has something that you envy? in that way. How can you be? And part of me, though, is like, I don't even, does Jamie, like, truly believe that about, like, disabled and crippled people, or is he just saying that? Because he's, like, it would be really convenient for me

if that kid specifically died. I don't know. But it might be something that he does earnestly believe because I think it is not, well, granted, I don't know if George knew that he was going to have Jamie's hand cut off at this time, because it was supposed to be, like, maybe Joffrey.

Um, anyway. But his body and like his skill is his everything no matter what. And he gave that up when he became a Kingsguard already. So like he understands it. He did. And then also like, but it does matter in terms of the irony of his arc for him to say that, that it is better to die than to be a cripple because of the whole thing that happens with his hand. Right.

Like it's a very much like a, be careful what you say, what you think, wish for. it will be given to you. What you wish for, yeah. But I don't know. There is kind of like a first bookism here thing maybe. I don't know in regards to Jamie's original arc of how he was the one who's going to potentially end up being the king and ending up on the throne, which again I think was given more to Cersi.

As the story evolved and like opens the door to like, is Jamie saying all this stuff? And being like, I would kill my own kid if blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, and being open to killing his own children because he says that's what he would do if he were eddard and giving mercy to his kid. Like, I don't know. Is that, like, a justification behind it in that version? Where Jamie is, because so much of the language of this book is still like, and he looked like a king, right?

But there's also this thing of, like, that I do love that Tyrion says of, like, life is so full of possibilities, whereas death is final. And, like, whether he... Yes, I love that line. I do, I do still really love our. friend Hamfast, 42's theory of the quiet lion, right? The idea that Tyrion might lose his tongue by the end of the books. And honestly, I don't think it's ruled out, considering that George has said recently that

Tyrion's ending is very different. But I do think it's interesting in the context of what Tyrion's endgame shall be. Like, I do think he lives, but after only committing so many heinous things of like, that open endedness of is forgiveness possible at all, whatever. I don't know if it is or if it isn't, but that's the point. You open with the question of the possibility or not, because I think with novels and like stories, they're supposed to end still opening with possibilities. And then, of course, you know how much I love my family.

It's an ongoing theme for Tyrion's story, of course. I mean like every character, whatever, but yeah, we don't need that loss. Yeah, it's in every plot, right? like especially when you get up to Eddard with Aria and Sonsa and the fight on the dragon and understanding that it's all about like introducing the family dynamics

in this first part of the book here this first third will say and then as you get farther into it as conflict starts now it's time to test those bonds and like show you how that plays out and I think that's really lovely and it's also interesting how Jamie speaking about if Edd had to kill his own child

because what's interesting is Eddard was faced with that choice, right? But not his child, his sister's child. And having, like, a child that is seen as something less as a Targaryen bastard. Like, I find that really fascinating in light of this conversation. Like, Eddard did have to make that choice. And it's just, like, what we got in John 8 from Amon, right?

Like, if your father was that man, he would have had to make a choice that was harder than any choice anyone's ever made. Yeah. Yeah. and he chose to be like, this is my kid. Which makes it even more crazy now that I think about it. They just like, explain to Circe.

Why do the kids not look like their father? When he's like, yeah, this kid looks exactly like me. But he's not my kid. Probably because he's worried that like he's going to blink and John comes out silver-haired suddenly. And he's like, fuck. Yeah. Like, what if it lifts?

But it is like, it does come down to, and I don't know, I think this quote just comes down to so much for the story in general. It comes down to Amon's quote, right? What is honor compared to a woman's love? What's duty to the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or the memory of a brother's smile? Yeah. You know? That's the quote.

Wind and words. That's what they're facing. And honor is a horse, so I can only seem that duty and memory are also horses. No, duty's poop. Oh, true. True, true. That's the horse poops. True, true. Oh, my God. Well, what a fucking first Tyrion chapter. I'm like on a high.

It's so brief, too. Actually, I was surprised. I was like, I was like, it's done. That's it? Yeah, it's over. This is it. That's what you got, everyone.

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