Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 278 — AGOT Tyrion VI

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

Tyrion opens up about his past to Bronn around a fire that leads to them rolling even more charisma checks to see if they can partner with the Mountain Clans. Essays mentioned: "The Quiet Lion" by u/h...amfast42: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/3kwgmi/spoilers_all_the_quiet_lion/ Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

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Starting point is 00:00:17 Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon reads A Song of Ice and Fire, episode 278, Irian 6 in a Game of Thrones. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Aliana. We've done it. We've escaped the veil, kind of. Well, we escaped like the tower, the castle, the Erie, but now we're still in the veil. We've not unveiled our sons.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Yeah, like the fun jump we have, right? I'll get out of here. You got to go. I love the skip. Like reading this, you're like, what happened? Oh, shit, they're on the road. Okay. But if you reread Catalan 7, I did.
Starting point is 00:01:01 I did think that one was... Good job. Yeah, I did think that one that was like... It's one of those ones that's pretty good for bridging the gap. Like, sometimes people will be referenced, you know, in other characters' chapters. And you're like, I guess. But that one felt kind of necessary because it is such a big jump. I don't always read chapters surrounding,
Starting point is 00:01:20 depending on the chapter. But once in a while, especially in our Danny run, I did find myself reading the shit out of Agat. I was like, oh yeah, I forgot how good this is. I would read the brand, the Tyrion, the cat. I read all of it around there and I'd get real into it. And suddenly I'd hit the next Danny chapter and be like, oh shit, I read the book.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Yeah, and you'd be like, that's it. This is the POV we're doing. Yeah, it's still good as hell And Tyrion 6 is no difference A very good chapter Excited to dive in with you all First up Housekeeping
Starting point is 00:01:58 Patreon episode This month is going to be mocking J Part 1B The Ashes Shut up, Belorana Don't laugh It's not funny It's serious
Starting point is 00:02:09 It's very serious It's also Oh, such a fit part of the book that I want you to know that I'm still outlining it and I've been outlining it for like a week. And I come back and I finish a chapter and I'm like, uh, on to the next one. Because it's so juicy. There's just so much stuff in it. So I can only imagine this is going to be a loaded episode.
Starting point is 00:02:33 If you have not read Suzanne Collins before, I highly recommend it. Start with The Hunger Games, the very first novel of the trilogy. there are two prequel books, one that is set way, way, way, way, way back to the 10th Hunger Games and another that is set in a familiar person's hunger games, but still set quite a bit back. So check it out, read some books, Sunrise on the Reaping, and The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes are the prequels. They're fun. I really enjoy covering these with Eliana.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I am glad I found a new special interest with Suzanne Collins. not because of me. This was already, I think, like, in a way, you came to this special interest on your own, and I was like, wait, I love this thing too. You just guided me in. No, I feel like I didn't. This way, dear. Did I? I don't know. No, you did. You are the reason because you were like, actually, I really enjoyed those books, and this is why in Bapa Raba, I think you liked them. I thought beyond me just watching the movie. That's so interesting. In my, like, head canon, you just came to it on your own, like, and because you were like, I need a thing.
Starting point is 00:03:41 to read. No, you just helped shuttle me into it because I needed it, so... Wow. Incredible. Thank you. Wow. You're welcome. Aliana's no stranger, but that will be available for stranger to your patrons and above. I am kind of a stranger, though.
Starting point is 00:03:58 I am like, like, I think I'm a stranger danger kind of person. Wow. People are strange when you're a stranger. Um, okay. So, if you're a thunder to your patron, than above, I guess we can be less of strangers, because then you can join the Patreon Discord,
Starting point is 00:04:17 which has lots of channels and fun conversation that happens in those. There's been like some hop-in conversation about Tyrion this week that we have not grabbed because Chloe and I are like falling apart, like at any given moment. But, um, and also, yeah, no, there's been, there's like been really good discussion about Tyrion this past week. And then also we have our brunch, our happy hour slash brunch, brappy hour. And this coming month in May, it is most likely going to be on May 23rd at 2 p.m. ET. Moving it forward an hour this month.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Getting crazy with it. Going back to normal time. What is up with that? No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. No one knows.
Starting point is 00:05:05 It was actually like a very arbitrary decision that happened moments before. for this episode. So I can't wait to see you all there. Indeed. We'll have some emails and tweets of note when we return in Tyrion 7. However, this is an announcement for public consumption that we will
Starting point is 00:05:23 be taking a week off between Tyrion 6 and Tyrion 7 in a Game of Thrones. We're having some scheduling difficulties, but don't you worry, we will be back with Tyrion 7 the week after the one you don't get. So,
Starting point is 00:05:38 wait for us. We'll be there. Yeah, we will. It'll be, we shall be back the week of May 4th. And also with you. A reading from the Holy Gospel
Starting point is 00:05:55 According to Luke. I think about that sometimes. I'm so glad that you read me like a poem, Eliana. And now we're going to read these lightning rounds like a poem, which I guess I didn't think about it. Shout out hashtag Thunderclapp. You know, gotta bring Thunderclapp into it. How many weeks now? Please let me know, Thunderclapp. I'm awaiting your message.
Starting point is 00:06:20 I don't know. I don't know how time works. I'm not a mathematician. Eliana, okay. But I will say, this is the last uttered 10 lightning round? For now. I mean, maybe not for now. It depends on what we choose to do after, but every single time we do these lightning rounds and these chapters now, I actually do get, like, in my heart a little emotional because I am like, it is the last time. Like I've done this so many times, but. I think it's kind of...
Starting point is 00:06:53 It never hurt till tonight. Wait, I have to bring it back. Everyone forget this real quick, but I'm going to bring it back when Janaris and RLJ comes true in T-W-A-DOT. when George drops them. I'm not delusional. I know he's coming with him. I know he's coming.
Starting point is 00:07:11 So that said, like, maybe I'll bring it back then. Maybe it's not the last lightning round. Maybe I'll remix something cool. Now forget I said that. I do think it's like... I'm so sad. It's kind of jarring. It is like kind of jarring to be going through this journey
Starting point is 00:07:26 and be realizing that it is the last time. Maybe we are doing some of these lightning rounds. Like, obviously we can continue doing them if we just start over, but like, I don't, I don't know. Like, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to, like, do a whole, like, I, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:07:45 No. I don't know. It's weird. It is, I feel very interested, amused, bemused, emotional. I feel all sorts of ways about it. It's a very layered, complex feeling. There's a grief. There's grief in there, I think.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Yeah. Um, for the girls. we once were and the girls that we shall be. Yeah. See, and the girls we are now. Like we said, the podcast only gets more meta. We just get emotional. Hey, we only have 44 whatever more episodes of meta left. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Oh, God, they kill us at the end. It's all. I don't know. They might. They might. Maybe. They'll kill you for this. I love that meme.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Do you like that meme? I love that meme. I'll kill you for this. That sounds familiar. I feel like because you've said it. it to me many times and sent it to me, but I'm blanking on it. Like, I know, I know, I know this. Generally, it's like, character does act thing, usually something that can be hyperbalized.
Starting point is 00:08:48 And, like, you go, oh, like, your eyes are too brown, your heart is too big, they'll kill you for this, right? Is the meme format. But my favorite all-time meme and, oh, my God, they deleted it and I can't find it. I don't even remember who the real artist was of the phenomenon, but they posted your son to nephew, your daughter, too. I don't remember your something, something, they'll kill you for this about Ned. Your son to nephew, they'll kill you for this. We've talked about it on the podcast.
Starting point is 00:09:21 No, I've heard you say it to me before. Does less drugs than we would allegedly do. I've never done. Ever in my life not once. Not yesterday. Not even once. Not on 420. Not ever. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:09:37 It's also, okay, I had, I don't know. This is the drug I'm not doing right now. That's not, it's nothing. I don't see anything. What a new A-O-Officer? It doesn't look like anything to me. No, like, there's some other feelings, too, of like, I lost them. I must not have felt them that hard then.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Not that deeply. Wow. No, I did, but it's gone. I don't remember what it was. Don't worry, Eliana. It'll always be here. It'll come back for sure. Probably like next time we do this, like next episode.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Capping my heart. Whatever the fuck. Probably it's. Things are cyclical. Even Aeswaffe re-reeds. In the words of a great musical, we're going to sing it again. Sadie's town.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Okay. We're going to sing it again. Here's your lightning round for what you missed Between Tyrion 5 and Tyrion 6, starting with the last, allegedly last, Etter 10 lightning round, Ned dreams of blue roses and broken promises and waits to serve his king. Catlin 7. Catlin learns that Taiwan is calling his banners at Castorley Rock. Tyrion wins his trial by combat. John 5. John asks Maester.
Starting point is 00:11:03 and to protect Samuel Tarley. Aw. He too. Aw. And that brings us here to Tyrion 6 in a Game of Thrones. Tyrion negotiates an agreement with the stone crows. Makes them sound like a band. The counting crows, the counting stone crows.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Yeah, something like that. Or like, I don't know. The stone temple crows? Yeah, exactly. Something like that. I will say that, like, In that Catlin chapter, I do find it interesting that as Tyrion and Braun are freed, you know, they of course call him or like Liza calls him something like,
Starting point is 00:11:43 My Lord of Lanister, which makes sense, right? Like, that is his station, that is technically his title, it befits it. And then she calls like Braun like his creature and like it's like his dot dot dot creature in italics really like emphasizes it. And of course there's an aspect of it that has to do with the fact that Braun is of a lower class, he's swayed by money, he's not like fitting that whole like narrative of honor that's going on there at the Erie that is and how false it is. But it stands out to me that Braun is the one who's called a creature because so often
Starting point is 00:12:19 we see Tyrion surrounded with this language of monstrosity and for it to be put on brawn when he fits in many ways, like that label of like masculinity, gender, like clearly he's very good at all that. So I don't know. It stood out to me. Yeah. Actually, Braun is the monster and Tyrion is Dr. Frankenstein. You're a monster, Tyrion.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Shot that down, first of all. Well, actually. No, I'm just kidding. But that is all I could think about the entire time you were speaking, my brain was flashing. Actually, Frankenstein is the doctor. That's Frankenstein's monster. I do kind of wonder if there's something about it that is like, to be going in that direction.
Starting point is 00:13:05 But, like, Braun just doesn't feel, I don't know, he's just, by book five is still kind of like a silly guy. It's just like, yeah. Well, there's a little deeper stuff here, which is interesting. I did find him, and I think you have some thoughts on this as we go forward. I did find him a little more relatable and interesting. And I think actually Tyrion's actions made me find him more interesting because Tyrion kind of removes Braun's identity in this chapter. Bron doesn't really get a chance to speak for himself then nor now. Tyrion assigns him his personality and assigns him his place and position.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Yeah. By saying he has a choice when he doesn't in some ways. So, which Tyrion knows. Terrier knows Braun has no choice. He uses it against him. We're going to get into all of that, but absolutely love that framing of, not love it. I love the framing. That framing is just great.
Starting point is 00:13:58 That's some corporate fucking, what's going on in my mouth? the framing of Braun as the monstrosity Braun as the killer Braun as the slayer And Tyrion kind of Yeah And Tyrion in a way
Starting point is 00:14:13 Also was just like cleansed Right by Braun winning Yeah true Winning that trial Like Tyrion just walked out of there Like I mean we just read He just got off the high road He's been on the high road for a while
Starting point is 00:14:25 Right Tyrion Has come off the high road He and Braun they shelter under trees. Tyrion begins to gather some wood while the horses are drinking water. Tyrion asks if the branch he's gathered, they're all kind of dead, if that will do for a fire. And Braun's like, uh, no fire, first of all, because if you use fire, we all die because people will see us, people being the clansmen of the mountains, and they will kill us with clubs.
Starting point is 00:14:56 and Braun says he wants to survive this. He's like, we really have no chance of fighting our way out. It's pretty treacherous. We need to spend as little time here as possible. So we should be traveling by night, sleeping by day, making no noise, lighting no fires. So everyone get your bingo card out for Eliana because this passage and everything Bron is saying is screaming the long night. Yeah, which I'm, I feel like I can't count as like something that like Eliana talking
Starting point is 00:15:26 about the long night. If you call it out first, because then it's not the same. I mean, did I think it as I read it and come to the doc to say it immediately, only to see that I have been read for Phylls? I mean, yeah, that is exactly what happened. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I also want to say like when you said that, yeah, Nepal will the Klansmen and they're going to come kill them. I was like, what the fuck is. going on here. I think about it all the time. What kind of story is this with the clansmen? But then I was like different, different kind. It is interesting, right? Like, I think there's something crazy, especially with like Civil War era to now of vampire stories. So in a way,
Starting point is 00:16:15 it makes me think like sinners and a fever dream and I guess now this, right? The veil. Yeah, there is something about it kind of there. And I mean, as you said, fever dream, we talked about that kind of aspect though a lot, you know, with the Klansman with the K, with Deneiaries's chapters. So like it makes sense for it to kind of be fresh on our minds as well coming off of Deneerese's dance arc. And there is something so interesting that we'll see where Kherian kind of sizes them up quite literally in his mind. And we hear him talk about how like most of them aren't really anything to write home about. They're actually kind of scrawny. Like this is actually
Starting point is 00:16:55 My opinion This is like Tyrion's introduction To the free folk of the veil I agree with that Like John's free folk Like it's very similar to John's free folk chapters and clash There's also like I don't know
Starting point is 00:17:08 It's kind of confusing to me Because I remember back then being like I'm confused Because some of the way that they're written In terms of how they're characterized as a culture Feels very identical To the free folk And I don't know that that was intentional
Starting point is 00:17:26 or if that was Georgia speaking like, people out in the wilderness. It kind of seems it though, because we're introduced to the starts, right? Who have similar clansmen that live in the mountains that hold their own traditions and cultures and aren't necessarily policed.
Starting point is 00:17:43 And in fact, they are welcomed in their northern culture, which seems to be of embracing the old culture, the old gods very strongly. You know, like, their traditions are embraced in a lot of ways. Yeah. But it's interesting because the veil has completely shunned this,
Starting point is 00:17:59 and the North has completely shunned the free folk. Yeah. And like, I mean that they grew up, formed, not grew up. Yeah. In isolation because, and like kept that because of the mountains. I don't know. Interesting stuff. There's something really interesting about Tyrion, you know, his survival instincts, right? Like his first instinct in any confrontation, whether social, physical, emotional, mental,
Starting point is 00:18:26 he knows he's dead if he doesn't make a clever little plan. Like everything for him is making a clever little plan. Clever little plans don't necessarily always mean that they'll be well thought out or long term, but his active trait for survival is like have a clever little plan and then have a back. So as we kind of see that like without Braun, Tyrion knows he's dead. With Broad, Tyrion knows he's also probably dead, right? Like maybe also dead. Tyrion, though, does have that kind of weakness of living in the shorter term, not the longer term, right?
Starting point is 00:18:57 Like his plans are very short term. Like he's like, how do I get out of here? Okay, next, how do I get out of the veil? Okay, next, you can see why maybe, I'm not saying handed to Taiwan, I'm just saying that his father could tell that he wasn't ready for the responsibility in some aspects of managing everything. like rest in peace, Tyrion Lannister, you would have loved Ritalin. Oh my God. Like absolutely would have loved Ritalin.
Starting point is 00:19:23 But I don't know. There's also something where like we see some of his practicality come from this. Like he is playing the odds. Like he knows he probably won't live. So come up with a plan in every situation. Fight every battle in your mind. Yeah. But have you tried not being almost dead all the time?
Starting point is 00:19:42 Fight every battle. I mean, climb every... I just saw that, you know that, right? Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. Yeah, yeah, we did, we did. It was amazing. And then we talked about how...
Starting point is 00:20:00 Who can solve a problem like Tyrian? Yeah, like the Nazis. The hills are alive with the mountain plants. With Nazis. Oh. We went in different directions there just that. But, like, we bet the same thing. I mean, I don't know if I think that about the Mountain Clans, but it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:20:20 And I would also, like, with Taiwan, I don't know, a lot of people who are way less prepared and qualified than Tyrion end up inheriting. But, like, Jora Mormont. And I will say, like, as we go throughout this chapter and the rest, like, look, as you all know, I don't love the way that the bad show. handled Braun's storyline. But I do think that the way this story in general, they are very much showing this passage of him moving up the ranks, right? That's why Tyrion's like explicitly calling out like, I don't know, Braun, you started here. This is where you are, you're quote unquote scum. And I do think like it's interesting that this kind of story of maybe rags to riches for him starts in the veil because then it could be that there's a part of him that's a foil.
Starting point is 00:21:14 to Littlefinger in some ways. I really like that kind of, you know, the scrappy guy. Got to rise up through the ranks through your brawn for some or your brain for others. Oh. It is, I guess, arguably the brain for a little finger. Yeah, arguably something's still wrong with it, but yeah. And Tyrion says this is all a great plan. It's all very practical, except, you know, the part where the horses die, because you can't just press horses down the veil in the middle of the night and the blackness of night.
Starting point is 00:21:51 And the clans of the mountain are all around them just watching and waiting. So, look, Tyrion says they need fire, they need food, considering Liza gave them a charitable feast of salt beef, hard cheese, stale bread, ouch, broken tooth galore. Bron is like, well, what would you do if I took your horse and left you there with your fool's fire? And Tyrion's like, well, I would die, of course. Clearly, I would die. Any comments, you were pretty quick
Starting point is 00:22:19 to kill chicken when he got shot? Chicken. He's a chicken. When he got shot with that arrow and then the enemy was upon him and all. And Braun's like, well, he was slow to die. Tyrion's like, will he be quick
Starting point is 00:22:35 to do it to me too? god damn like you'll kill anyone brawn finally brawn comes back and he's like look chicken wasn't really my pal all right he's just a man i rode with and i fought for you but i don't really love you tyrian who does question mark we're going to find out throughout the story but it was bronze blade that tyrian needed not his love and brawn grins and he's like well how'd you know i'd be your champion cute aw this is cute the truth though of course is that tyrian didn't know that he took a bet an educated bet because of the inn brought and chigan took him captive clearly looking for money for gold not to honor the lady catalan but for her to honor them
Starting point is 00:23:18 with her money like how chloe is framed this as like a meat cute or something for them yeah the line here that tyrian says is it was your blade i needed not your love and i'm like um bars but at the same time not true in some ways i I mean, like, it is for here, but the way it's phrased, it feels very much like we see with Shea and a lot of other characters that Tyrion encounters, he kind of says some version of this to them all the time, but like clearly he does need love. And we're going to, like, talk about that in a bit this chapter or maybe later, I don't know, but he clearly does need love.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And he just tells other people that he doesn't because it's way less embarrassing. and he tells himself especially that he doesn't need it because it was easier than admitting that it was all he ever wanted from anyone especially his father and from his family and from the world he's like it's fine I have golden shelter and I'm a lanister I don't need love I'm like bro but like you do and there's also I don't know something that brawn says that Tirina is as bold as any cell sword and I'm like hmm hmm this feels
Starting point is 00:24:32 this feels pointed in that it makes sense where Tyrion's story eventually takes him with the second sons, and he kind of like, you know, ships passing in the night with the Golden Company. He doesn't, like, really encounter them, but he talks to people who do. It's not the same. I love that. Also, do you remember the song by Taking Back Sunday Liar It Takes One to No One? I didn't listen to that that much, taking back Sunday, so no.
Starting point is 00:25:01 That's okay. They're not really good. In fact, I saw them this summer, and look, they're kind of. catchy, they're fun, they're good, you know, like emo, pop, pop emo band. Pop rock, pop emo back in the day. But like, they weren't rather good live. And I thought to myself, I think I always knew that in my heart of hearts, but my 13 year old self was disappointed. Argue with the wall if you don't agree, but it was not a good show. But that said, there's this lyric from that song that I always think about when it comes to Tyrion, which is, I'm an
Starting point is 00:25:31 addict for dramatics. I confuse the two for love. That is him. I feel like I've heard that line before, and by that, I mean, I feel like I've seen that in someone's away message before. Yeah, absolutely. I confuse the two for love. Bells were rigging. And I'm like, I don't think I actually know the song. And then the chorus is like, liar, liar, if we're keeping school.
Starting point is 00:26:00 It sounds like a poppy-mo song for sure. Liya, laia. It only took like 27. Thank you. The screaming. We're in a hotel tonight for work, so I can't be doing screamo at 9 p.m. everyone. It's quiet hours. But that's what you get.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Congratulations. You get that for free, everyone. But also, it only took 27 a minute. I think our time is right now for us to be singing. So mark that on your bingo cards. Yeah, he absolutely does though. He confuses the money for love, right? Like, right there, he confuses buying loyalty for having loyalty for earning respect.
Starting point is 00:26:42 You can't buy respect. And he wants it. He does want it. He just... He craves it. He just can't admit that he wants it because, like... Then you have to admit that no one's given it to you, which is really sad. Like, it's so sad.
Starting point is 00:26:55 I mean, he does, like, pretty hate his things, which is described in this chapter. But, like, anyways... Of course, Cat would have found some money for brawn and for Chigin when it was over, but like that's it. Not like a lot, you know, not a job. And then there's a line here of, the Starks look for courage and loyalty and honor and the men they choose to serve them. And if truth be told, you and Chigin were lowborn scum. This is kind of fun. And like by fun, I mean gas lady.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah. But by Gaslady, I mean fun because here it's manipulating Braun. a little bit here. It's really fun to consider because, I don't know, you think about Braun and you compared him a bit earlier with Littlefinger and now I'm going to compare him against Breyan. Whoa. Brienne who joins because of Lady Stark while Tyrion is turning someone away from her. Braun's kind of the shadow Brienne, even in their names, right?
Starting point is 00:27:54 How many people do we meet who are drawn to that perfect Disney fucking Stark family? like here they are they're different but they're all great and they still love each other look at them and they're cartoon animals that follow them around speaking to them all day they do and then you see that seriously they do and then you like turn the channel and here's the lanisters as the dark disney villain mirror tyrian and sercy who build alliances on a foundation of poisoning the well which they learned from their father tyrant who ruled through fear and still is ruling through fear right now unfortunately Jamie obviously doesn't build allegiances unless he can squint and you look like his sister or you're ill in pain, but, or you're like a boy knight, a man knight. Then he's like, oh my god, will you sign my cast? Yeah, I like how you talked about the poisoning of the well, because Tyrion does say that basically in Dante's like, why does she not simply poison the wells? Is she stupid? And I'm like, I don't know, Tyrion. It's not like, Is she? It's not the best. I mean, the water's poison anyway, full of dysentery, so like, whatever. But. Yum.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Delicious. Yum. But, no, I like that because at the same time, I think, like, Katlyn does reward loyalty. But Brienne's also, you know, she is pretty different from Braun in a lot of ways. Yeah. That's just, you know, it's just her privileges as a woman getting the job. You know, why are we? just reverse sexism.
Starting point is 00:29:31 You know how women are these days? It's so messed up. It's so messed up. Okay. Anyways. And honestly, the way they make decisions so boldly and they just speak out all the time, women, it's really got to stop. Except for, you know, she don't speak, but she remembers.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Oh, my God. Wait. No, we don't have time to delve into this. Continue. As you were. Braun says that Tyrion has a bold tongue and that one day someone is like to cut him out and make him eat it. And you know what, you guys? I'm just going to link Hamfass. It's the Quiet Lion essay for you all to read. I haven't reread it in a few years, so don't ask me to tell you anything about it besides the big main points, a lot of which are probably in these chapters. And I think we've discussed it, but I'm going to do so at some point this reread, because I do think like it is important reading for analyzing Tyrion and like some of the themes going on in his story, right? so don't quiz me on it.
Starting point is 00:30:31 What a good era. It's so like representative of such a good era of Aeswaf theory crafting where even tinfoil or even things that you're like, I don't know if that's true or if I believe it, like you still get something good out of it. Like we used to be a proper fucking country. You know what I mean? We're like no matter how you felt about a theory, you could read it and go, oh, I never thought about this point specifically. and it could fuel you for days. We used to be a real country. I don't not believe it.
Starting point is 00:31:03 I think it is very possible or a version of it is very possible. But also, like, what you're saying about the era, I mean, that's like in a, we had, we were only on what, our first or second, like, lightning rounds going through things, you know? That's the era that you're talking. And now we're on our last fucking lightning rounds. Damn, why do you have to say that? What the fuck? Did you guys know one year at Ice and FireCon?
Starting point is 00:31:32 Eliana, Sweet YFT, our friend Ann and I had a makeup exchange. And we were in my hotel room trading makeup. And Anne is a classy, boogie bitch. I just want you to know she's such a classy broad. Yeah, she has such nice makeup. But we all just like brought things to trade and like, so beautiful. Have we not told them that yet? I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I don't know if we have. I just thought everyone should be regaled because again, the podcast is just going to get more meta as it goes. That was beautiful. Yeah, that was beautiful. There's also an aspect here of like, jumping back into the episode. There's an aspect here of Tyrion's bluntness or, you know, bold tongue, as Braun puts it, that kind of feels very like consistent with what we saw of him earlier this book, right? It very much feels like his first meeting with John. They're just kind of saying things that are a little mean, but this is Tyrion's armor.
Starting point is 00:32:35 You know, he's like, I'm just telling the honest truth. I'm like, I don't know if that's true, but like, you can see it. There's like patterns. Whatever gets you by. Character. Whatever gets you by, Tyrion. Wear it like your armor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:49 This is that for him. Yeah. It's like reverse courtesy, negging. Wait, it might be that. just a little. His power is nagging. No, it's acting bigger than you are, so to speak. Yeah, yeah. So, Tyrion tells him, oh, everyone says that about cutting my tongue out, L. M.A. And then he asks for pardons if he offended Braun as he tries to make a fire. And he tells Bron, but you're scum, but you're not stupid. Thanks, Tyrion. Lady Stark had no need of Bron in the veil,
Starting point is 00:33:24 but Tyrion did, and the Lannisters never lack for gold. Thankfully, Tyrion has plenty, and he knew that Braun's interests lay in his in gold. So he asked, what do you want, Braun? Women? Land? Gold? Keep me alive, you'll have it all. And if Tyrion dies, well, the gold stops. Yeah. I do like there was one line, though, it might be later, but he's like, well, at least one person will truly.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Warn me then. Yeah. That's real. So, my sword's yours then, but don't go looking for me to bend the knee and malord you every time you take a shit. I'm no man's toady. Nor any man's friend. I've no doubt you'd betray me as quick as you did, Lady Stark, if you saw a prophet in it. If the day ever comes, when you're tempted to sell me out, remember this.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Braun, I'll match their price. Whatever it is. I like living. And now, do you think you could do something about finding us some supper? So real. So fucking funny. Kills me. Actually, like, slays me.
Starting point is 00:34:38 I love that. I'll match their price. That's so real because I don't remember what it was, but something went wrong with my kitchen, as I told you this week, in plumbing. You and I discussed this offline. But that happened, and I'm like, whatever. like my dad was like it's going to be X amount of money probably and I'm like no dad it'll probably be more expensive
Starting point is 00:34:56 because I live in a big city nine times out of ten it's more expensive by like 200 bucks here and I'm like but that's okay because I like living inside I love living inside that's why I work my job I love the indoors so I'm an indoor girl indoor cat that first line where he's like
Starting point is 00:35:16 don't go looking for me to bend the knee and maloge you every time you take a shit I'm no man's toady. That's kind of G-grit-coded. John E.git-coded, right? I guess the show name would be like... It is. It's got a very similar, like, vibe to it. All I could think after I read it, though, is like, man, I'm sorry, you guys.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I'm just like no Jerome Flynn, but that's fine. You did a good job. He has a different bite to it that I don't. Yeah, he does pretty good at it. Yeah. Just fight all odds. Sorry. I couldn't tell if that was like a thing about like the odds of him becoming Lord of High Garden.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Oh, I didn't mean that. I met like as an actor and as of his, um, you know, dramas. But I like what you said better. So. Oh. Lord of High Garden. God damn it. Braun charges Tyrion to take care of the horses and brings back a young goat. Tyrion and Braun joke that now they need goodvine, a woman, and another dozen swords. to wash this down and Braun takes first watch,
Starting point is 00:36:24 despite the fact that the mountain clans will probably come upon them and murder them in the night. And he mentions that Tyrion must have a plan. And I mean, like, honestly, I've never thought about it before because, like, Tyrian's like, because Braun's like, you take care of the horses while I'm gone. And when he comes back, you know, the horses are rubbed. I'm like, yeah, I mean, I guess Tyrion does know how to take care of horses.
Starting point is 00:36:42 I don't know why. I didn't think about it. Yeah, that's true. He probably grew up around them and using them and such. He probably, like, learned it in some, like, he obviously did not squire for someone because it seems like no one would probably let him in many ways, but I guess it's just like a standard life skill, maybe. I could imagine that he likes them.
Starting point is 00:37:07 I mean, animals. He's a nice boy. He's a nice boy. For a bit, except for some of the things. He was a nice boy. They call him Little Man Boy Man or Boy Man or something later on. In this chapter, we will read it at the end. The Klansmen, yes.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Boy man. Tyrion might not have a real plan, but he does say he has a hope. And Braun's like, interesting. Before we left, you gave Mord a purse of gold. And Tyrion's like, yeah, a Lanister always pays his debts. That's what I've been telling you all. night. He told Mord that if he ever grew tired of Lady Aaron's service and abusing prisoners, he could come to Castorley Rock and get the rest of the money that Tyrion owed him. With golden
Starting point is 00:38:01 dragons spilling out of both hands, Mord had fallen to his knees and promised he would do just that. They discuss what's next. They joke a sex worker, a feather bed, a flagon of wine, if they can reach the river, and then Castorley Rock or Kings Landing to investigate a line of question on a very certain dagger. Rod is kind of surprised he's like, so you were telling the truth? And Tyrion's like, do I look like a liar to you? Answer carefully. Do you think I just got there? People just go on the internet and tell lies. I will say like, so yes, Tyrion, I mean, he does lie a couple of times, but...
Starting point is 00:38:43 Oh, all the time. All the time. But he's taking on this role here of like the fool, right? Because that's what he does with John or so he thinks that's what he's doing here with Braun. Oh, their name's rhyme. Anyways. John and Braun. John and Braun. John, John, Bo, Braun, banana, Tierra. Trian! Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Thank you. My best word yet. It is, actually. But Tierra we had to level up to that point. Now there's only 44 more episodes left. So, Tyrion's telling difficult truths, you know, or that's what he thinks he's doing.
Starting point is 00:39:20 And that's what a fool gets licensed to do, allegedly. Oh my God, Farseer series, when? I don't know. In like 44 episodes, apparently, maybe. God. Oh, my God. Do not play with my heart, but, like, legitimately peck farceer. Here, like, did we read this email recently?
Starting point is 00:39:43 What was the email? Tell me. Here it is. Our friend Carly, I said we were doing it. emails and tweets of note, but I'm going to do it because we haven't read this one yet. So, it's our episode. Yeah, we can do whatever we want. We're breaking form.
Starting point is 00:39:56 We're breaking free. So we're sorry. We should cover that. I think I added that to our doc. I think I have added that. Yes, you did. Yeah. I'm not joking about it.
Starting point is 00:40:12 So, our friend Carly has said, I've been following along with you all. since your coverage of Circean wanted to check back in and say I'm so excited for Tyrion, Carly's catching up on the episodes and says, I've been reading the Farseer series slash the World of Robin Hobb. I was started listening to it last year and it had me in a chokehold, but in the best way, I just finished the Tawny Man trilogy and started the Rain Wild Chronicles this week.
Starting point is 00:40:38 With that being said, I'm casting my vote for y'all doing this series next. I think it's a truly magical and very in-depth series with tons of lore and thoughts throughout the community. I personally would love to hear y'all's thoughts. I have one friend who recommended this series to me. About two times a week, she receives random voice memos from me with my thoughts or theories that week.
Starting point is 00:40:58 So to have two more people to talk about this series with would be amazing. I plan on keeping up with Tarian Weekly now that you started. And then also has sent us a photo. Oh my God. This puppy's so cute. Oh, yes, that puppy. The Finnish Lopin'i puppy Gretchen. So cute.
Starting point is 00:41:14 But yeah, I think we've told you. all this. One idea we've batted around is like, do we do a version of this reread or as like me just read, Chloe reread for the Farseer We're so far off tiered right now. Anyways, so like,
Starting point is 00:41:30 that's an idea, but now I'm like... That's a possibility. Reading this about the voice memos is like, well, what if I sent you voice memos as I do my first read of Farseer and we incorporate that into the episode. Yes, we edit that in. Yeah, concepts, you guys. I'm so into this.
Starting point is 00:41:46 format. I'm excited. Oh my god, like love letters. We send love letters to each other. We're cooking right now. Wow. Well, so does the fool in the Farsier series. So I can't wait for you to leave me voice memos about the fool because the fool very much takes on those truths and kind of hides them and layers them, it clusters them. It's amazing. Okay. If you want more fool, if your big fool is getting to you, then buy in. you know, buy in. Buy in. So after they eat, they talk about their friends,
Starting point is 00:42:22 their friends being the men of the mountain, taking their sweet time and they banter back and forth until Tyrion begins to whistle a tune. And he asks Braun if he knows the seasons of my love and we get the tale of Tysha. Yeah, I don't know. When you said like the Men of the Mountains gave very much Lady of the Night vibes
Starting point is 00:42:41 in the way you said. The men of the... Anyway. Yorla, y'orley, y'oloo. Tysha used to sing, the seasons of my love, and Tyrion would never be able to forget it. He met her on a night like this, a clear, cold night, glittered with stars.
Starting point is 00:42:58 He had been riding back from Lannisport with Jamie, and they heard a scream and saw her running with two men on her heels, threatening her. She was dark-haired, slender, low-born, half-starved, unwashed, but lovely. Jamie chased the men into the woods, though wanting to hunt them down, And by the time he came back, Tyrion had learned the girl's name and story, a Crofter's child, orphaned when her dad died of a fever. Very vibrant visual of her coming screaming bloody murder, like, I need help. And it also makes me think a little bit about, you know, this is only a year or two after the Kingswood Brotherhood happened, which I kind of forgot that it was so young. Like, so obviously we had a further iteration that was reborn in some ways.
Starting point is 00:43:43 but like the Kingswood Brotherhood was like 281-ish, 280-ish. So this didn't take place that much longer after, only a few years after that. Jamie had squired for Sumner Cray called during the Kingswood Brotherhood and saved his life. And he had also fought against the Smiling Knight who Arthur kills. And then Arthur Knights Jamie during the Kingswood Brotherhood. In a sap, after standing a great vigil. Like it's a big deal. His knighthood at the time wasn't just built on Circe's Kingsguard.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Trickery wasn't just her. Like, he had hope. He had dreams. He studied the blade under Arthur Dane. He did. And Arthur Dane, well, yeah, and the famous treatment of Arthur Dane with the small folk during the Kingswood Brotherhood, right? Like, he helped to leverage and make deals with the small folk and go between Aries and the small folk and the Kingswood Brotherhood to try to, like, show, hey, we will protect you after all. please don't give in to these bandits and outlaws who say they're going to, you know, change everything for you.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Please still support the crown. We need you. And he kind of tried to do that politicking. So like, this is interesting to remember in that this exact situation of a lowborn girl being chased by men into the woods. Of course, Jamie wanted to go save her. He was still kind of full of hope. He still believed in the ideals. He still believed that poor Jamie in it too.
Starting point is 00:45:12 almost feel bad for the sucker is what I'm saying. Yeah, no, for real. He could have had a good career. He, like, immediately, it was like, fuck these rapists. I'm going to get him. I mean, okay. With the exception to the part where he's fucking his sister, a lot of it is very much like he was a true knight in that moment. He's, like, recovering hymn bow now, but he was kind of, like, actually sweet hymbo, I feel like, dumb as a box of rocks, maybe, but, like, really chivalric? I mean, he kills the evil king, which every other.
Starting point is 00:45:42 everyone like hates him for, but like that was honestly like the right thing to do turns out, but also maybe not fucking your sister, but also. I don't know, I'd fuck his sister, so. Or she'd fuck me, sorry. I mean, there's nothing about him that's like that bad in many ways until he throws a kid out the window. If you think about it, if you think, no, no, but no, for real. Like, if you think about it, like, was he actually?
Starting point is 00:46:12 actually like very much a true night up until the moment where he eats a kid out the window? Maybe. I don't feel like we need to talk about this anyways. Yeah, that's true. We've talked so much niceness about Jamie for the last like four minutes. We have to stop. So I also didn't think about it, but you know, they say Big Belly Ben escaped. I was thinking like a lot of names come to mind.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Obviously Brown Ben Plum isn't him. They aren't the same. But like, I wonder if we've seen Big Belly Ben. It makes me think of Bellwast. So it's weird that there's these, like, names that all kind of evoke other characters. But, like, he escaped and we don't know his whereabouts. And obviously, there are theories, like, that Wendda the White Fawn. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:53 To be Scepda Lemore or, uh, I like that one. There's another one. Who else do people say she could be? I don't know, but there's a bunch of them. But I'm like, who's Big Belly Bend? Have we seen him? Have we met him? I kind of, like, do hope that we, not that I think we need to garden more things that
Starting point is 00:47:12 make it harder to put out the winds of winter. But I do want to like know or see or they give me fun if they came back. I don't know. Especially since like, you know, it's the roots and seeds that all grew from the nine penny. Yeah. My love of my life. Your special interest? Yeah, I was going to say actually my special interest.
Starting point is 00:47:35 And I was like, it's done more than nine pennies. It is. It is. It is. Well. Well, back to Tyrion. and stab love story. Oh yeah. That's right. We were talking about that. Teryan took Tysha to the closest inn and fed her while his brother went to get help.
Starting point is 00:47:51 And let me just say, that girl could fucking eat down. Tiriated her ate two whole chickens and part of a third. They drink a flagon of wine. Tyrion was 13 at the time where I'm like, holy shit, like imagine like the Trident. We just talked about like Sonsa on the Trident. Tyrion was 13, and the wine went to his head, and before long he was taking both her maidenhead and his. Afterwards, she kissed him and sang seasons of love. By morning, Tyrion was in love, and he bribed a drunken septon, and he married her. Again, 13. Andy told us he lied.
Starting point is 00:48:28 He lied to that septent to try and get the married and stuff, and it worked, and I will say, regarding the eating of the chickens. This does remind me of the character in Feverdream. Isn't there that guy? He eats like a bazillion chickens. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. What's what I have for you?
Starting point is 00:48:48 But yeah, anyways, this is exactly what we were talking about earlier in regards to. Tyrion didn't necessarily need anyone's blade in the way that he clearly very much needed or wanted love. And... Yep. Tierian dared not bring Tisha home. set her up in a cottage of Rhone and for a fortnight they were man and wife
Starting point is 00:49:11 and then the drunken septus sobered up yeah and confessed it all at a Tywin and that was the end of Tyrion's marriage in like probably the worst way it could have ended maybe ever because Tywin
Starting point is 00:49:30 did more than just send the girl away he made Jamie tell Tyrion the quote unquote truth, and that the girl was allegedly a sex worker, and that Jamie had just arranged the whole affair, the road, the outlaws, all of it, and he paid double for the girl to be a maiden. And afterwards, Lord Taiwan brought the girl in and gave her to his guards and had each of them give her like a silver for each man, and then he made Tyrion watch. Each and every one, and Taiwan also made Tyrion go last and gave him a gold coin to pay her because he was a Lannister and worth more. Not great.
Starting point is 00:50:15 That's like such an understanding. Yeah, this is like terrible, especially because we know the truth of it. It would still be bad even if she were a sex worker, though, of course. Yes. but a terrible, terrible, just terrible. Yeah. And also is like such an explanation immediately for everything about Tyrion. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:43 No, that's a really good point. That's a great point. Like we're told this story at this time because it shows us why he's so cynical. Great insight. And also like, I don't know. I think like, so this story's going to come back. We'll dig into it like even more in regards what it means. It also like, I wonder how.
Starting point is 00:51:00 this like if attitudes towards this have also shifted in recent years as we as a society come to recognize wait no maybe like that is fucked up right then I think maybe George always kind of meant for us to think like wait no that was really fucked up that you guys did that right because we see the things with like pretty Pia and whatnot and we're like wait no that's messed up but like a lot of people don't necessarily see it that way and like you shift in how you think about it when you're it's revealed in storm but it was always fucked up and I think it's supposed to be a hint from George of like you guys Tyrion's charming but maybe he's not all good the reveal that Tyrion gets is obviously for his character and so much of his character's persona but also something that really sticks. out here too is Tywin, building
Starting point is 00:52:01 Tywin in the background, right? We really haven't seen Tywin yet. We've only heard of him. So it's building the legend, quote unquote, that is Tywin, and this man that was able to, you know, play both sides and somehow win where the phrase do it and they lose until they kill
Starting point is 00:52:18 everyone, which then you learn that's what Tywin did. So that's how he wins too is just by killing everyone. But also points to control, right? you see how Tywin not only controls Tyrion's body, right? Which already there was a layer of control over Tyrion's body as he is, you know, we go back to the Frankenstein's monster and the monster conversation. And there you go. Tywin's the doctor.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Tyrion's the monster. But everything that Tyrion has, Tywin wants him to know that he has given to him and can take away. Yeah. And make him dependent upon him. And then also to confirm and assure the loyalty from Jamie, he pushes Jamie into it and manipulates Jamie into the scheme as well. Yeah. To really truly break the trust that the only person in the world that is nice to you,
Starting point is 00:53:16 that has ever been kind to you, is also on my payroll. And I've given him everything too. I am God. Like, that is so much of the relationship going on here with Tywin between him, Tyrion, and Jamie, too. Yeah, he's pinning them against each other in that way. That's a great point. And I love what you said of, like, the control and, like, because as we've talked about in previous chapters, like, Tyrion doesn't always get licensed to his own body. And this is like a, it's not to take anything. from it, but, like, you know, it is like a layered situation. And I do, I think I'll come back to
Starting point is 00:53:58 it more with other thoughts on it in like a Clash of Kings, Tyrion 10. Because we go over the story again. Yes, we will come back to that. That's a really good point of like, I kind of forgot that we haven't seen Taiwan yet by this point in the story. Yeah, it's all a buildup for him. Yeah, I'm just like so used to him being there. And like, I don't remember. Did we see him already in the show like by this point? I don't remember. because things are different. Potentially, but maybe not. Maybe not. I feel like his first appearance.
Starting point is 00:54:28 I don't know anything about the show, you guys. What's the show? So true. It's when he's gutting the giant deer, episode seven. Yeah, so that would probably be when Tyrion sees him, right? Yep. So it would have been after this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Yeah. Really good point on the structuring of that characterization. Yeah, we've got to build him, the man. The myth, the asshole. Yeah. Well... The man, the prick, the legend. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:54:59 This is what Braun says, the endactam of, like, 13, or 30, or 3. I would have killed the man who did that to me. Tyrion swung around to face him. You may get that chance one day. Remember what I told you. Alanister always pays his debts. Oh. Tywin's name is number one on the last.
Starting point is 00:55:23 list, huh? Yeah. I just realized, like, I guess there's an aspect of, like, Tyrion swung around to face him besides, like, the, oh, blah, blah, blah. But, like, was it, like, a validating moment and experience just then for Tyrion? He's, like, no one's ever told me before, kind of, like, that was really fucked up. Yeah, I think so, right? I think of that line from Hot D, the show which Fire and Blood was adapted from.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And that tracks, right? And what does Allison say, right? she tells Vassaras, I only just wanted someone to tell me that they were sorry. Yeah. For what I had to go through. And I think Teryans wanted that his whole life too, and instead he gets pity, but not in the way that he wants.
Starting point is 00:56:04 He wants sympathy, not pity. I agree. He wants recognition. But, yeah, this line here. Validation. Exactly. This exchange here, as you said, very much foreshadowing. Like, this is so long night coded.
Starting point is 00:56:18 And by that, I mean, it's not long night coded. all. It's coded for the moment where Tyrion kills Taiwan in storm, but I just kind of... It's ASOS evening. I just kind of wanted to say it. That's it. Yeah, that's fair. Let me do it I want. It's my podcast. Yeah, you could
Starting point is 00:56:34 do whatever you want. It's your podcast, babe. It's so true. And yours. Yeah. It's crazy to think that he just has his own Aria Kill list right off the bat, and we know. And it's Dad. We know.
Starting point is 00:56:47 It's... Kill Dad. Dead. Dad. Dead. Dad, dad, dad. I guess also his siblings kind of join the list. Interesting. Well, you know, it's a work. It's a work in progress.
Starting point is 00:57:00 While Tyrion drifts off for a while and he dreams of the sky cell, but this time he's the jailer and his father's the prisoner and he's hitting his dad, he's driving him back to the abyss, and then he's awakened by Braun pretty urgently with shadows creeping in around them. While Braun makes to be on the offense, Tyrion's like, no, no, no, no, no, please share our fire and our goat. But the shadows that surround him are like our mountain, our goat, which, again, free folk coded, right?
Starting point is 00:57:31 My earth, my water, my castle, my daughter. Keep your hands aware. I'll chop them off. But maybe if you kneel to me, I'll let you have a sniff. Ew. But yeah, Gigrit, Gigrit, Gingrit. Tyrion agrees. And we're then introduced to Gunthor, son of Gern of the storm.
Starting point is 00:57:48 crows who's threatening him with death, as well as Shaga, son of Dolf, Shagga, Helia, straight to the top, a boulder to the left ship's and turns into a man. Other voices are met, Khan, Torek, Jagget, and even more, ten at least, all have a weapon, whether they're a sword, a knife, a pitchfork, a scythe, a wooden spear. When they're quite finished with their introductions, Tyrion introduces himself. I am Tyrion, son of Tywin, of the clan Lannister, the lions of the rock. We will gladly pay you for the goat V8.
Starting point is 00:58:26 I don't think I appreciate it until you read that aloud. Like how in the form of what everyone else did, Tyrion does that. I mean, like, it's obvious, I guess, but I didn't really like appreciate it till now. The bolder that became a person is so fun. It's actually a very, his internal dialogue is so fun. It's interesting. It's absolutely a blast. It, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:49 It is like, for example, earlier when, like, Tyrion's telling that story, though, about, like, Tisha, he's just like, hmm, the smoke started singing my eyes. I'm like, no, you felt sad. That was, like, sadness and tears. Yeah. But it doesn't say that. Unreliable narrator. Ooh. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Ooh. Talk about overused, overused, overused, acewaffe phrases for $900, Alex. My gosh. So they ask Turin what he has to give, and Turin assesses, I can give my halberk, which, I mean, it's too big for me, and silver for my purse and my battle axe, which would suit Shaga very well, and Kahn says, why would you pay us with our own coin? That silver's already ours, the horses are ours. You mean my halverk? My axe? My knife? I mean, that is how they made their money. They're like, it's already mine, you weirdo. And Gunther's like, yeah, all you can really give us is your life. And so he goes like, how would you like to die, Tyrion, son of Tywin?
Starting point is 00:59:57 Of course, Tyrion responds with the classic line, in my own bed with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my cock at the age of 80, which not really sure, why it has to be a maiden because what does I agree. I agree. Also why would you want like a maiden to do it? I mean do you want someone who like knows what they're doing or not? Should I tell my roommate that I'm a maiden?
Starting point is 01:00:23 Yeah. I actually do that every now and then just to like weird out my partner and he's like what are you doing? Why is this happening? I'm just a young girl. I'm like I'm a virgin. I've never done this before and he's like why is this happening? Please stop. I need to
Starting point is 01:00:40 try that about really menial things, right? Like, really stupid things. Like, making food. Grilling a cheese. I'm a virgin. I don't know how to do this. I would like to point out that this doesn't, like, happen, like, in the bedroom. I'll just say things randomly like that. Like, this isn't part of our, like, foreplay. Oh, what is your foreplay?
Starting point is 01:01:01 No? It's also, I think, jarring. It's also, it does also meet reactions of why is this happening? Tyrion Back to Tyrion's foreplay. Yeah, back to Tyrion's foreplay. Yeah, agreed. I was kind of like stuck on that line as well.
Starting point is 01:01:19 I was like, why does it got to be a maiden's mouth? But Tyrion's like, he's rolling charisma checks, right? He's just like rolling. He's like, charisma check, chrysmic. And like, again, he dumped all of his stats into it. So he's like passing pretty well. And I do think, because like what you were saying earlier about like the Mountain Clans feeling very free-fokish,
Starting point is 01:01:39 honestly the way that he gets along with them and like rallies them and survives here does remind me of John's storyline but it also very much reminds me of De Neres's storyline and like especially De Neres's storyline that's happening in this very same book alongside Tyrion's story yeah I guess we can kind of start to intuit how he will get along with some of De Neres's crew right? He might be culturally different from what Westeros is used to there's something interesting in that. I didn't think about that. But also that he's being asked, you know, how do you want to die and what will you give us? What can you give us to make this thing right? And there's almost something in there of sacrifice and death for life, right? Like pretty soon,
Starting point is 01:02:24 Danny is going to start having some issues with the whole Brogo thing. So death for life, sacrifice. What are you willing to give? Yeah. True. To live for your life, for your life, for your loved one's life. What are you willing to give? I do think... Money please. Money, please. I do think he will get along well with Strong Bellwoss. Big belly wafs. I don't think he will get along well.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Like, he'll get along okay, probably with Barristan. But I think Barristan will be like, bro, what the fuck are you doing here? What about the Blood Riders? I think that's also important, right? Like, that's where I think he might also maybe get along, surprisingly with them. If George actually, like, decides to let them have some... characterization? They might, but like, we've never seen them really have, like, some of that. You're pushing three books right now.
Starting point is 01:03:15 They're kind of stoic. What do you want? What do you fucking want? A, four more books? I've already suggested, A, not only, you know, you talking about the Kingswood Brotherhood, I was like, hmm, what if we characterized people? Anyways. That's crazy. You need to settle down.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Well, Shaga laughs loudly, and the others are not really that amused. Gunthor commands, I think we kill them. the big one and sees Tyrion to milk the goats and amuse the mothers. Bron gets to his feet and he's about to start just murdering. But Tyrion's like, no, no, no. And he calls him off and we close with, No, Tyrion said sharply. Gunthor's son of Gern, hear me.
Starting point is 01:03:56 My house is rich and powerful. If the stone crows will see us safely through these mountains. My lord father will shower you with gold. The gold of a lowland lord is as worthless as a half-man's promises, Gunthor said. Half a man I may be, yet I have the courage to face my enemies. What do the stone crows do but hide behind rocks and shiver with fear as the knights of the veil ride by? Shagga gave a roar of anger. Ah!
Starting point is 01:04:32 And clashed. Club against axe. Jagget! poked at Tyrion's face with the fire-hardened point of a long wooden spear. He did his best not to flinch. Are these the best weapons you could steal? Good enough for killing sheep, perhaps. If the sheep do not fight back, my father Smith's shit better steal.
Starting point is 01:04:57 Little boy man, Shagger roared. Will you mock my axe after I chop off your manhood and feed it to the goats? But Gunther raised a hand. No, I would hear his words. The mothers go hungry and steel fills more mouths than gold. What would you give us for your lives, Tyrion, son of Tywin? Swords. Lances.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Mail. All that and more, Gunther, son of Gurn, Tyrion Lannister replied, smiling. I will give you the veil of Aaron. Oh my god, this is how he wins His biggest bet, yeah, this is uncut gems level of fuckery This is how he wins Oh my God, and here I was thinking I was like
Starting point is 01:05:43 Those are my gifts to you, Sonsa And that's worth a kiss, don't you think? It is the same Also what, mail? What's Tyrion going to give? The postal service And Good band
Starting point is 01:06:02 I know, right? Oh, he's giving multiple things. I, again, this, this exchange in a way, like, kind of does feel a little De Neri's like to me, right, in the way that he's, like, promising, like, yeah, I'm going to give you this place, I'm going to give you this home, I'm going to give you victory, and, which is different from the way that John works with the free folk. He's like, I guess I can get you maybe some safety. I feel really bad for you. But, you know, like, De Neri's promises Dora, I'm going to get you back home. And also, like, that's very much. aligned with Drogo's speech, right?
Starting point is 01:06:36 Like, he's like, we're gonna go across the poison water. Yeah, I'm gonna give you the chair. And honestly, like, Denei... Kill the men in iron suits and puke on the water. You remember it because I think, like, you did it. So... Yeah. Yeah, so...
Starting point is 01:06:51 Mehmed Drogo. And, like, honestly, De Neres is probably gonna have to promise Pento's to the tattered Prince to some extent or, like, figure out, like, what do I do about this promise that Berasin made, even though I didn't want to do that? So, like, I don't know, there's something, there's something here that feels aligned. And also, you know, showing the kind of courage that Tyrion's doing here of, like, you know, putting on a brave face, being very clever about it and calling out. Like, Dineris has had to be very clever with her plans as well.
Starting point is 01:07:21 She's very much also a trickster. God, if you will, we talked about that during her storyline. And that's the archetype that Tyrion kind of inhabits, especially with Land the Clever. Like, you know, it's the same way that she was like a. afraid and still doing this, like, so is he. And I'm like, there's, there's a reason why their storylines converge. Yeah. And I love that he's giving something he doesn't have, right? There's also something interesting in it of like he's, again, buying them with that idea. He's selling ideas. He's a big ideas guy. I gotta respect that. He's like starting, he's working with
Starting point is 01:07:56 Little Finger on the stonk market. But also, like, Danny and John kind of earned their place in their subplots that have to deal with isolated people that become like a big warrior army at some point so there's something interesting there where he's giving something he doesn't have he's making the biggest bet that he's ever made yet right? This is a pretty big bet to make for somebody that has
Starting point is 01:08:23 literally no connection to the veil in fact he gets lucky and fails upward and marries into someone with a connection to the veilish Sanzah, right? So that's kind of interesting. There's a connection obviously there. There's a shape of something of both of these things coming. And I've always wondered, you know, like, what is that connection going to be? How is Tyrion going to somehow have the clansmen of the veil come back? And it's been very quiet sense. And maybe they were just like a one use. Maybe they don't come back. Timet. Son of Temet is a great theory, right? That he might lead the veil. But I was rereading.
Starting point is 01:09:03 Fire and blood, as one does on a train. And I was thinking about how in 97 AC, the Stonecrows kill Jane Aaron's dad and her brothers, which leaves her to become Lady of the Erie. And I don't think this is like one to one, but I feel like maybe there's something that comes back into play with Littlefinger, Tyrion, Sonsa, and the veil. Right?
Starting point is 01:09:32 Sonsa's escape. for her descent through the veil, however it's going to be, or maybe she comes back with both, maybe she meets some men of the mountain on her way home in the blue light district of the veil, with the men of the mountain. But maybe she meets them, and she tells them, wait, I'm married to Tyrion.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Like, don't kill me. They're like, oh, we love that little homie, and maybe, like, I don't know, but there's something to do with Sansa about it. There really has to be. She's literally the camera that's there. Yeah. All I think when you said Timit, it was like Timothy,
Starting point is 01:10:09 Shalamey, son of timidthi, and... Stop. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. I do kind of wonder, because I'm like, this was like a really, as you said, big thing for Tyrion to promise. And I like have no idea.
Starting point is 01:10:24 He has no idea how he's going to make good on this promise. I think he kind of floats it to his dad. He's like, so I promised them to veil. and if I'm remembering correctly we'll get there in a bit anyways and he's like so because I'm like Yes you'll die
Starting point is 01:10:40 I'm just like I do think that Tyrion makes these promises and they're meant to be like he is going to follow up with them at some point like why else would he always be like Elinisters always pay their debts because the irony behind not paying the debts
Starting point is 01:10:55 a lot of it comes through Ceres' story where she's just like I'm not paying that back and yeah I think like Tyrion prides himself on being able to do that so I'm just like what Oh I didn't even mean that What's gonna, as you said
Starting point is 01:11:09 What's gonna happen here But I don't know I don't know I really don't We've both thrown out some ideas I don't think One of them are coherent I'm not sure like
Starting point is 01:11:18 Do you think George knows I'm gonna throw it out there I don't I'm not convinced That's for baby Jesus and George to figure out Not me and you girl We just got a well it's for us to ponder I guess Little boy man. Torres de Ponder.
Starting point is 01:11:32 Oh, shagas. Little boy, half boy man. Boy man. Feels like something baby Billy would say. Oh, I'm just singing Sabrina's man child. It's like the same thing. Oh, my God. Tyrion's not.
Starting point is 01:11:47 Okay. He's not that. Okay. Obviously, he has some man-child aspect about him, but he's not as much in some ways, too. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Compared to the other men in Westeros. Yeah, he's like Eagle Parts 90 and four.
Starting point is 01:11:58 You know what I mean? he's like a baby but also an old man and so it like cancels out like it averages out I do agree I do agree Ah Tyrion what a rich Capistry you have woven Is that a joke? Rich
Starting point is 01:12:14 Not really but it could be I don't know I still like the prides That one got me and made me go out I didn't even mean that We are doing Tyrion Hopefully you know how do you start It's just in time for Pride Month Or late
Starting point is 01:12:29 Maybe it'll start late, you know, because of the lesbians. True, true, true. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. But I guess Tyrion's ready for Pride Month, too, because of the lying part. It is actually also... Maybe I'm gay for brawn. June is also men's mental health awareness month. And then we come up to Leo season, so honestly, it's like a year for Tyrion.
Starting point is 01:12:51 That's not... August. August. I know, but it ends after a while. What are we going to have afterwards? I'll figure it up. out. I'll come up with something else by that. Okay.
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Starting point is 01:15:59 Goodbye. Goodbye. A do. A do to you. Is that, I can't, sometimes I get it mixed up. Is that one sound of music or is that the king and I? Yes, that's not a music. No, that's not a music.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Okay. I get them confused. It's got my favorite line in that song. I love the, I like to stay and taste my first champagne. People like, no, and she's like, boo-hoo, bye. Yeah. Yeah. Bye.
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