Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 35 - AFFC Alayne II (Sansa III) Ft. Ashaya from History of Westeros

Episode Date: January 18, 2019

Sansa Stark went up the Eyrie, and Alayne Stone is coming down the mountain. Intro by Anton Langhage Ashaya’s twitter: https://twitter.com/MeereeneseKnot  History of Westeros’s twitter: https://twitter.com/WesterosHistory  History of Westeros’s Webpage: http://www.historyofwesteros.com/  History of Westeros’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheHistoryofwesteros     Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/  Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: www.liesandarborgold.com 

Hello and welcome to episode 35 of Girls Gone Canon, a lane of Feast for Crows 2 slash outro featuring the ever-wonderful Ashea from History of Westeros. I am Chloe, one of your hosts. You can find me on the internet as at Lies in Arbor or at www.liesinarborgold.com. And I'm Eliana, another one of your hosts, and you might know me as glass table girl from the song of ice and fire subreddit or the mason monthly podcast or as a metric on twitter who knows yeah and as we said ashea who is excellent you know her from history of westeros from her blog on tumblr uh hello ashea thanks for joining us oh thank you so much for having me on to talk about Sansa here. I am a huge fan of her and of her chapters.

And I believe you asked Aziz, and he told you as much. So I'm glad to be here. You can find me at History of Westeros, like you said, on Twitter, Facebook, etc. I'm at Myrni's Knot on Twitter because when I joined Twitter, I didn't realize you wanted a short username. I think it's fine. I think it's fine now that the character limit has been increased, but for a while it's a little tight to get me in there. A short username, a long plot.

Who knows? Who knows? Hey, I'd say it's a pretty short version of the MiraneseNot, to be fair. And look at, it's not like it's a five-year-long username, you know. We'll touch on that later. Oh my god. We did get a couple good emails or tweets and notes.

Actually, this one is a Patreon message. We got a couple other Podbean comments to Eliana's Delight, but this Patreon message intrigued me. I have a few thoughts on it. It's from our friend Jeremy, who wanted to know what we would do if we did alternate A Song of Ice and Fire point of views for each book. His extended alternate universe of A Song of Ice and Fire is book one, Waymar Royce, Robert, Barristan, Rob, Jamie, Samwell, Jorah, Roderick, Gendry,

Asha, and Brienne. Book two, he would use a Florent for a Dragonstone POV, Rob, Barristan, Jamie, Samwell, Jorah, Gendry, Asha, Brienne, Ygritte, Sandor, and Garland. And Meera. And then for the epilogue, he would have Maester Luwin. Book three, Storm of Swords. He would choose Rob, Barristan, Jamie, Samwell, Jorah, Gendry, Asha, Brienne, Ygritte, Sandor, Meera, Val, Garland, Margaery, and Ariane. That is a big book with Peter Pimple as the epilogue.

I like that change. And for Feast, the one that we're reading currently, he would choose Piat Pri for the prologue. Jamie, Samwell, Gendry, Asha, Brienne, Sandor, Marjorie, Garland, Maya Stone, Ariane, and Sorella. So really interesting concept. I do like that. I know he said he was sharing it with a couple other podcasters, so I hope some friends in the community do take that on and talk about their alternate A Song of Ice and Fire point of views. For my sake, I guess I would only do it for A Game of Thrones to save time, but I would also like to respond to the message Jeremy sent as a follow-up, in which he assumed I would choose Sandor as a point of view, which he's entirely 100% correct. So good call on that. Good job, Jeremy. I don't know. I would, I would do maybe some alternates, but I think I'd still keep some of the main characters and just retract chapters for mystery, right? Like Ned, give him two to four chapters of, you know, certain things with

Tower of Joy hints and add in Jory for a few chapters and add in Robert and then add Jamie and add Sandor and give him a lot of chapters in King's Landing because he's seeing everything. I don't think that, I mean, Rob giving him some chapters would be good, but I wouldn't want to hear from him the whole entire first book or the second book even. I think Catalan is necessary because it provides a lot of depth that we really miss out on. And also they're the best chapters in the whole book. Just putting that out there that every book has Catelyn Stark in it has some pretty good chapters. Viserys would be interesting to have a few chapters from. Drogo having a couple chapters would even be really interesting, but I'm interested to see how George would even translate

that. Cutting Daenerys down to two chapters and Tyrion down to four and adding in Bronn would be a really interesting choice. Cutting Jon Snow down and adding in some Sam Tarly chapters in the second half of the book and giving Osha five chapters and cutting Bran to three chapters. I would cut down the Stark girls to a few chapters, maybe two to three each, just because of Sandor being added in and other Kingsley ending characters, and maybe even give Syrio a couple chapters. Yeah, I thought this was an interesting question. And I'm gonna, my answer is not as in depth as Chloe's in terms of like how we are allocating the chapter number. I'm thinking more of it like holistically in terms of what I think A Song of Ice and Fire is doing.

I think I would struggle with wanting to replace a bunch of the POVs that we get in the first book. I've discussed this on Joe Magician's Patreon episode about bastards, cripples, and broken things. And I think that a lot of what Book 1 is doing and a lot of the other POVs that we get throughout A Song of Ice and Fire are doing is that it's giving us a perspective into the POVs that don't necessarily always hold

power. They're not the people who inhabit positions of being lord or king, those positions of privilege traditionally in Westeros and that's what we get when we have the povs of like second sons of someone like tyrian or sansa and aria going up against the gender roles that they have so i think i would keep a lot of those same povs i think having gendry though though, would be interesting when it comes

to adding, like, a Dothraki POV. I would opt not for Drogo, but perhaps one of Dany's handmaids. Like, Eerie. Yeah. I would opt for Eerie or Sheikhi, not what's the third one?

Not the Lysini. I would not bring her because I would want something that was more in tune or in touch with the dothraki culture and in that same vein when it comes to book three i think that the idea of having egret pov is interesting i would have added some of the sex worker povs because i think that's something that is so prescient in the story we have as they're called throughout the story whores everywhere yet they're not really ever given a voice so i think i would add shay as a pov and when it comes to book five oh also alayaya i think that she would be an

interesting pov and then when it comes to book five rather than picking gray worm though i think gray worm would be really interesting i would put Miss Sande because then we get a possibility of hearing a lot of different perspectives and stories because she is a polyglot like that. So, yeah, for example, I wouldn't want to change Catelyn in any of this because it also changes tonally how that story goes down. I just think while it would be interesting to have a few other point of views in the long run, I probably would change nothing. Yeah, I mostly agree with you. I think I would like to see some of Dorne or the Iron Islands earlier, I suppose, would be the biggest change that I would want to have. But again, that's adding people, not taking people away. It's really hard for me to imagine

not having certain POVs but there are ones I wish that we just saw a little of earlier so they weren't as much out of left field for some readers I guess wean that in who do you think would be a good POV to add in to give us Young Griff

oh for Young Griff I would like to get more of a peasant because we really don't get a lot of actual commoner povs in it as much as we see people among the commoners so yeah someone that's yeah that is interesting i would love to see like duck duck would be good duck would be a great chapter especially because then you'd be like duck and egg i like missandei except it's hard to see into her mind when she's so little and so you know beyond her years it'd be hard to write believably i think but anyways i just think she'd be an interesting contrast to aria who's

also very young and is slipping in and out of different spaces. That's interesting. Wait, so other than Duck, who else? Who else? Sorry. Ysilla! Oh yeah, Ysilla. A little more so we don't have many questions about her. Wait, you mean Ashara Dayne? Do you mean

what? Tyene's mother? Yeah, Ashara Dayne. Oh my god. But it was a good question. Yeah, no, Sharnane. Oh my god. But it was a good question. Yeah, no, it's a really good thinker. That was a thinker. Jeremy, if you're listening, can you also compile and send us everyone else's answers to your question

when they come out with them? I want to see what other people say too. Then we can all just combine and come up with the best version we can all want. Well, with that, we'll launch into our lightning round uh if you haven't heard or for a shea who is of course new as a guest uh but she knows what it's about this is what we missed between elaine one and elaine two in a feast for crows because this book spans a lot and there are few and far between Sansa chapters to listen to.

So in Cersei V, Cersei's paranoia and anger are at an all-time high and she's even opposed to kittens. That's how you know it's a bad deal. In Brienne V, there are many sorts of outlaws just as there are, in fact, many sorts of birbs. You wrote this I always write them in hopes you'll go through and edit if you don't like it but you never do you just read it at the time of and you're like this is good

I'm just gonna own it as I was highlighting these I was like alright I like that in Samwell 3 we have Sam's allegiance to the Watch ringing clear as he decks his false brother. Just as he's about to drown, he's saved by an unlikely friend.

Dungeon! Wait, is that not it? A shardane! In Jamie 3, traveling beyond King's Landing,ie finds himself defying his sister's scheming and defending a woman he thought he despised that's like literally all of his chapters by the way true cersei six cersei attempts to reconcile the crown's relationship with the faith but she gives too much away in the process. Yup. I'll say so. The Reaver.

Victarion's brother tasks him with bringing back a bride, but Victarion decides whose bride is the key phrasing here. Jaime IV. Jaime reaches Castle Derry and later learns of his sister's infidelity. Brienne VI. Ghosts

of broken men haunt the quiet isle as the elder brother tells her stories of war and broken men. Cersei 7. House Tyrell faces threats in the Reach, and Cersei sends the perfect person to deal with them. Later, after casually ruining someone's life, she takes her queenly rights with Taina of Myr. Jaime five jamie plans a parlay with the blackfish to calm the riverlands and reunites with his aunt jenna oh i love aunt jenna i know right cat of the canals cat prowls bravos learning the ways of the many-faced god and doling out her own personal brand of justice until it blinds her it's really cinematic, right? Samuel IV.

A glass candle that could not be lit. Eggs that would not hatch. The Sphinx was the riddle, not the riddler. Sam and Gilly celebrate Eamon's life in more ways than one. Let's get it out. Lit. In Cersei VIII, Cersei's ploys prove catastrophic

for the besiegers at Dragonstone, and she dwells on the memory of a woods witch. Brienne VII. No chance and no choice. Brienne finds herself at a crossroads of sorts, casting aside her fears and being a true knight. My daughter. I know. My daughter. I know. Jaime 6. While Jaime's parlay doesn't necessarily go well,

he devises a plan to force the Riverlands to submission. Cersei 9. Just when she thinks her plans are hatching, we all get to read before she crumbles. Cersei sets forth her scheme to fabricate lies about Margaery and her ladies. And finally, the princess in the tower. Another princess locked away in a tower, you say? Arianne Martell faces a grueling, lonely punishment before finally getting the truth from her father. And that leads us right into Elaine, too. Struggling with the new aspect of parenthood, Elaine and Robert prepare to descend down the mountain.

They meet new friends like Miranda Royce and some Hedge Knights. Later, after putting on a brave face to cart across an icy gorge, Peter reveals to Sansa his master plan. Elaine enters Sweet Robin's room at the beginning of this chapter and then in an attempt to get him up and ready to descend down the Eyrie. Gretchel warns Sansa, I'm sorry, I meant Elaine, to be careful because Sweet Robin has just flung his chamber pot everywhere. yeah and sansa has this really good quick reply and where she's like then there's none to throw at me then which is accurate yeah it's true optimism this is what gets this is actually kind of relatable i think to anyone who's had to try to you know get someone up and out especially a child trying to get them up and out for school it can maybe they're not quite throwing their excrement at you but everything but i mean yeah i've heard of it i'm just saying kids are some kids are rough it happened in my high school you know like sometimes there'd be poop all over the walls and who knows what it

was in the bathroom but i don't know what where did what can we back up for a second? Where did you go to school? I don't know. School's wild. Oh my God. Sansa sends Maddie and Gretchel to double check that they're ready to close down the Erie for the winter. And she comforts sweet Robin trying to get him out of bed. He thinks Maester Coleman sent her, but she lies and she says that she heard he was ill, which of course this is a lie.

Lothar Brun threatened to get him out of bed in a much less gentle approach and Sansa did not want Robert to go into one of his shaking fits she offers him breakfast in an attempt to stir him but she realizes that they've already closed the kitchen up and he will not want porridge she thinks it may just be worth it though if it gets him out of bed yeah they'd be turning on an entire oven which is hard when you don't just turn the knob i guess also all the staff is gone by now like who's gonna do it true yeah who is gonna do it and also do they have dough these are questions that i have but also what are they eating they have a lot of work before they like we hear that they eat eventually

later in this chapter but i am still wondering did did they feed this boy before this long terrible thing he had to he had quite a journey look sweet wine sweet wine is food i can tell you that as a person i know this i well i guess it puts you to sleep so you're not hungry but you know after a while that's the whole thing you get hungry after you've been drinking and that's why you end up in random places like taco bell at like 2 a.m random random actually it's not that random taco bell is totally banking on that's like their business model yeah that's literally a fourth meal yeah anyway so robert aaron says okay okay i'll go but you have to read me stories yeah we get some really uh you know a good bit about artis erin the winged knight who we've learned more about later but this is one of the earlier times that we've i don't know heard a bit more about his story i guess um which i know you

guys have some stuff you're going to talk about to do with the winged knight right oh yeah absolutely i love the whole entire passage though it's great to get that battle of the seven stars lore that we've kind of been peppering in in the last couple chapters especially uh the winged knight was sir artist aaron legend said that he had driven the first men from the veil and flown to the top of the giant's lance on a huge falcon to slay the Gryphon King. There were a hundred tales of his adventures. Little Robert knew them all so well, he could have recited them from memory, but he liked to have them read to him all the same. Sweetling, we have to go, she told the boy, but I promise I'll read you two tales of the winged knight when we reach the gates of the moon. He gets that up to like five tails by the end no 100 tails no just keeps going she's like we don't have that many tails about him

he really wasn't that great you guys she's like how many times can i just rephrase the same exact thing we have talked a bit about the battle of the seven stars and artist aaron but this tells us a lot about the characters we're currently talking about. The winged knight gives Robert bravery, just like Sansa thinks of herself as a wolf or as her mother, Lady Catelyn. It, of course, leads us straight into the Winds of Winter's Elaine I, the sample chapter that most of us have read, I hope, where Sansa's storming attorney and she hopes to find Sweet Robin a team of protectors, winged knights, which gives a lot of callback to Fire and Blood, part one with the war for the white cloaks with Jaehaerys and Alysanne.

Sansa goes around. She says, I'm going to open the curtains up so that we can get some light in the room and hopefully get Sweet Robin out of bed. And that doesn't work that well. Sweet Robin's like, I don't want the light. I want to sit in the dark it'll be fine he does say that the light hurts his eyes too which i think is interesting makes sense i mean if he's in darkness for a long time it'll hurt your eyes but i also wondered if what you know he's frail and has other things going on maybe he's just got a general light sensitivity i don't know and meds, that's true. Oh, yeah.

He could be like mildly, I don't know, hungover from all the things that they're secretly giving him. That's terrible. It's true, though. I know. It sucks. Yeah. Sansa carefully walks around this chamber pot, which she's like, well, I smell it better than I see it. And claims, oh, look, I can see your face. And when Sansa turns back around, Sweet Robin's now propped up against a pillow and he's looking all sad and pasty and his hair's long

and he's shirtless and skinny. He has a lot of interesting descriptions. His chest is concave. Yeah. Concave with a little belly. No. Yeah. Sad little boy.

He just wants to be strong. He does. He doesn't need to be strong though honestly i don't think he just needs to be sweet robin yeah not strong robin but yeah that's true he needs to just be a little burb step one be sweet sir be sweeter but no santa just keeps trying to bribe robert here and he just keeps wanting more and more out of her to kind of comical effect. But and I really do laugh at him, but it also is really sad to me and tinged with this trauma that they've both gone through, you know, separately and together and this upcoming trauma they're about to go through this terrifying descent. So like, I'm laughing at it all, but I am like, you know, he's not wrong. Just be,

stay safe. Things are scary. Yeah. It doesn't seem like a fun journey. And yeah, as you said, you can really see how pitiable like Robert Aaron is. He feels a lot like he has depression.

Yeah. And also going back though, to the part where it's kind of funny, he also reminds me of the great children's book, Eat and Give a Mouse a Cookie. Or its great successor, If You Give a Moose a Muffin. Yeah, there's a bunch of those, actually. I looked them up recently. There's more than those two.

There's like, you would not believe how many they've made. Actually, it would astonish you. But, you know, the next one will be if you give Robert a tail. And it'll go from there. If you give a falcon a story. If you give a falcon a story. Wait, that's our next podcast. We're just going to

actually read all these different books. That's our next reread. That's our next Patreon episode. Just reading all these different books of if you give a mouse a cookie if you give a moose a muffin

whatever else came after that there's one like if you give a pig a pancake I think or something like that oh I think I remember that one

anyways there's a bunch there really are oh my god oh my god just like Merlion's song about the pigs oh yeah about the swine

he's like it's a song about pigs I don't know what the problem is he's like it's a song about pigs i don't know what the problem is it's still really funny sansa tells sweet robin that maddie and gretel could give him a bath but he protests because of his headache and he she also tells him maya is waiting for him with her mules he complains about the wart on maddie's eye and that she scrubs too hard and Maya smells of mules. And man, Sansa is being really patient right now.

She tries to warm him up with how much Maya loves him, but he won't have it. He says he doesn't love her. Damn, it's like, hold on, back up, sweet Robin. While we're critiquing everyone, please, like, this is like the pot calling the kettle black or something. Like, chill out. Chill out, child. I don't love her. She's just the mule girl.

Robert sniffled. Maester Coleman put something vile in my milk last night. I could taste it. I told him I wanted sweet milk, but he wouldn't bring me any. Not even when I commanded him. I am the Lord. He should do what I say. No one does what I say. I'll speak to him,' Elaine promised.

"'But only if you get up out of bed. It's beautiful outside, sweet Robin. "'The sun is shining bright, a perfect day for going down the mountain. "'The mules are waiting down at Skye with Maya.' "'His mouth quivered. "'I hate those smelly mules. One tried to bite me once. "'You tell that Maya that I'm staying here. He sounded as if he were about to cry. No one can hurt me so long as I stay here. The eerie is impregnable. Who would want to hurt my sweet Robin? Your lords and knights adore you, and the small folk cheer your name. He is afraid, she thought, and with good reason. Yeah. I do love

that even though he comes off as a scared, weak little child, Sansa justifies his fright later on because let's face it, going down from that eerie is scary. It's scary. Maya could tell of great lords and bold knights who had gone pale and wet their small clothes on the mountain, and none of them had the shaking sickness either. I really want to know which great lords and bold knights who had gone pale and wet their small clothes on the mountain and none of them had the shaking sickness either i really want to know which which great lords and bold knights really were terrified of this i want to hear that gossip from her me too lynn corbray that's who i'm picturing he just terrifies him no wasn't uh sir roderick struggled with it right or yeah yeah sir roderick did yeah because uh didn't his face go green or something? Catelyn was like, ugh.

Something like that. We get that from the Tyrion and Catelyn chapters. But I don't know who else. Yeah. No shame in it, honestly. I mean, I'm picturing this big, blustering, manly guy who, you know, he's embarrassed about it. But again, I would be terrified. I don't know if i

would make it up or i bet robert baratheon hated it oh yeah i mean especially a big guy you would feel you know i don't know even more unsafe i feel like i just want to see robert baratheon in the little basket now like getting like taken down maya like rolling her eyes well he wouldn't though it wouldn't be one to a basket no one else in there with him well you can like imagine maybe it's like a little girl by and she's like dad dad it's fine it's him and marcella oh damn george does a lot of his best writing here because while sansa is patiently chiding robert to move since you know everyone's waiting on the Lord of the Eyrie to get his shit together, we get this quote as well. On the valley floor, autumn still lingered, warm and golden, but winter had closed around the mountain peaks. They had weathered three

snowstorms and an ice storm that transformed the castle into crystal for a fortnight. The Eyrie might be impregnable, but it would soon be inaccessible as well, and the way down grew more hazardous every day. Most of the castle's servants and soldiers had already made the descent. Only a dozen still lingered up here to attend Lord Robert. I love the Eyrie because it's beautiful, it's full of prose, it's not too cartoonish or over the top. The Eyrie and the Vale are sad, cold, lonely places, and you can feel that wind blowing through your bones while you read, you know?

No, I really think it's some of the most visceral chapters you just really feel it you really really do yeah throughout these uh eerie chapters you really can feel i mean how beautiful and sterile it is and all of these things but i think he also sterile yeah that's a good adjective but i mean you also like i i can really feel a couple like these characters that he's introducing here like when we meet miranda royce and we see maya stone and all that but just sweet robin robert brathian is a very real character to me he can really write a good good brat and i can really just hear this whitey kid complaining in my head and i think that

that i mean we see it with joffrey and other characters that he can write a good brat but sweet robin's kind of a more sympathetic brat i guess he's also super relatable like yeah he's all like where are my stories we shouldn't leave we should kiss in bed and eat honeycombs all day. And I'm like, same. I don't want to go in the snow. Yeah. Now I really do feel like I can relate to him in a way I never really thought I could. I don't want to go outside in the cold. Yeah.

I just want my stories and some bed kissing and honeycombs, I guess. Yeah. Sure, honeycombs. Big mood, dude. Good for you. I agree. Sweet Robin has it figured out at age, like, eight, nine. He does.

Though, are those honeycombs all, like, remember in the previous chapter when they were thinking about how are we going to sneak him his medicine? I'm ruining everything! Why you gotta do this to us? Damn. He's right, though. It sucks

to leave. And I wonder if, um, it's kind of funny, I just thought about it, how Robert Aaron's complaining about the smelly mules. Didn't Sansa complain about the smelliness of the horses back when Arya said, oh, we're gonna go riding and go out to this place or something

like that. Yeah, that's so funny. So now it's like completely changed yeah she's elaine i'm sorry this is elaine now she doesn't care what meals smell like i think it's interesting that this is what liza allowed his behavior to turn into right this little pathetic kid and it's really sad because sanza pities him even when he he's being a brat, especially because without her claim, and now that she's Elaine, she's seeing what it's like to be a political pawn from the outside. I mean, I mean, she already had her space invaded by people. But I mean, Robert just thinks she's his. He owns her basically. And he can kiss and grope and do all these, you know, he's really invading

her space, which is what Littlefinger's doing as well, of course. Yeah. It's a weird class dynamic, too, when you think about it because, in retrospect, this is what a lot of lords did to the people who they saw as

below them in the station. It's just people to him. They're not like, yeah, they're not real humans. They're just there for him. And like he said, you know, why won't anyone listen to me? I'm the Lord, which is kind of sad. Yeah, I can understand that being frustrating.

He just wants like time to sit there and process and not have to look down at the huge ground thing where like his mother fell and died, whatever. Yeah, no trauma. And so like when Robert is kissing up on Sansa, she's trying to cope with this and she's already pretending all the time in order to be a Lannestone. And so during this, she thinks about trying to pretend that robert is laura's tyrell but even in that she just pokes holes in her own fantasy and of course this is when we get that uh you know oft covered memory in quotes of sandor kissing her as the boy's lips touched her own she found herself thinking of another kiss she could still remember how it felt when his cruel mouth pressed down on her own.

He had come to Sansa in the darkness as green fire filled the sky. He took a song and a kiss and left me nothing but a bloody cloak. It made no matter. That day was done and so was Sansa. You know the Meryl Streep meme where she's like yelling at the awards show? That's me. He took a song and a kiss and left me nothing but a bloody cloak yeah it's a really good line it's a really good line yeah except for the part where you know it's not true yeah she knows how to tell a tale

we'll discuss it it's obviously something that needs to be unpacked and it's something that George has acknowledged that isn't that interesting that Sansa thinks that. And yes, everyone, you all read that, right? In A Clash of Kings. Yeah, I mean, I think it is interesting that she has misremembered this. And it is something that people do. And it really, you know, could screw your head up to have that happen. I really want to know if she's going to see Sandor and like, would she bring it up to him?

I hope so. No, that never happened. I think she will. Like, I think, I don't know, like, that is so awkward. I think he's going to die and she's going to kiss him as he dies. I think it's going to be like a whole thing. I think he's going to save her when he comes back and like the North or wherever he is. They're never going to have this awkward moment where Sandor finds out that she had this fake

memory about him is what you're saying. We're not going to get that. I think it's no, I think it's going to be more of a complete circle because he's going to like die for her and he's going to give some rousing little bird speech, like saving her becoming the true knight he wanted to be but never had the balls to be from his trauma and yada yada and she'll take his bloody cloak of course yeah yep you mean you don't want the awkward moment where someone accidentally confesses to having this weird like fantasy about you i just i just think that would be i i want uncomfortable things apparently

i just don't see it like i don't see them having the like i don't think it'll come out I just think that would be, I want uncomfortable things, apparently. I just don't see it, like, I don't see them having the, like, I don't think it'll come up. I really can't see how she could bring it up. That's true. Unless if she was like, let's say she's talking to Arya and she's like, oh, yeah, my first kiss was, my first real kiss was Sandor Clegane. And then Arya talks to Sandor about it. He's like, what? What is this nonsense? No.

Ah, yes, the guy that guy that like on his deathbed said to aria like you know i should have banged your sister but i didn't yeah and she's like but i know he didn't do that because he would have told me that he what never mind this is a strange thing and i just think it would be funny and i obviously only do anything for the lulz and yeah we've got um all this stuff with maester coleman talking to elaine i will try to be careful with my name for her because she really she really is trying to be careful with her own name for herself and elaine and sansa are different although i i do this is kind of a digression but i i like to think of sansa as incorporating all of this Elaine-ness into you know Sansa 2.0 or whatever you know that she's she thinks of herself as this fractured being but I think that she's

really just coming to terms with other parts of herself anyways that's super digression but um Maester Coleman talks about just straight up knocking Robert out with milk of the poppy. And Elaine is not down for this because the appearances or whatever. But personally, I'm totally on Maester Coleman's side of this. I think Robert is too much of a risk. His shaking, his dangerous descent. It's not worth it if he just dies. I don't know. I think they could have just knocked him out personally.

Oh my God. I just, as I'm reading it, I'm like, really? Is it worth the risk? Just the appearance of him? I don't know. Oh, my God. No, I understand. I'm like, damn, but I understand.

But, like, damn. I know. Just, I don't know. I was terrified of the idea of him, like, taking someone down with him or something like that, honestly. But they do sedate him a bit bit as it happens with that sweet sleep um they do at least keep him a little calmer yeah and he tells her you know this is the last time for a while we can do this and she's like okay well take it up with my dad he says like half a year too he says like six months like that's crazy it's a little nuts and i do think though this whole character

shift of elaine you know uh being okay with giving him this even though maester coleman's like this could kill him and she's like yeah yeah sure i'm sure it could whatever we just gotta keep the kid going for now you know uh all this shift a lot of this and with her little sandor thought it has to do with her repressing things which it's been brought up as we know through things like king's landing and blackwater or her like saying oh will, Willis's leg is fine. Like, I hope he loves me. I don't care if he has a bum leg. I don't care if he has burns. I don't care if Tyrion's ugly. Just her justifying and repressing things to make them go down.

Right. Especially the lies going down easier with a spoonful of sugar, especially in this scenario with Sweet Robin, where it all kind of comes back to her first chapter at A Feast for Crows where she thinks they were comforting lies though and she thought them kindly meant a lie is not so bad if it is kindly meant if only she believed them I think that idea of what you're saying of a spoonful of sugar and all this it's something that we see actually manifesting physically in the story, because again, like they are slipping these, the sweet sleep,

et cetera, to Robert through actual sweets. But as you were saying, and as we were discussing earlier, even like, as A'shea was saying about Sansa incorporating Elaine into who she is, we get later in this chapter chapter Sansa discussing how it's become easier to lie and repeat that Merillion's the one who killed Liza, and that if she says it enough times, she feels- she's beginning to feel like it's true and it's what really happened,

versus what actually did happen, Littlefinger killing Liza and how it feels like a bad distant dream. And I wonder if that's something that's coming to play here again with that unkiss, but also as you were talking about, both of you in terms of Sansa shifting morals, or just repressing everything and just trying to become Elaine. And I do think that's something that, as you said, yeah, we should be calling her Elaine. Like the way this chapter is written, it's not written as, for example, like Sansa was doing X-ing as like pretending to be this. It's written with Elaine did this, even in her interiority and in the narrative itself. Yeah, which obviously we see parallel things with Arya, most obviously, in terms of her having to become someone else and

really sell herself on it but also Theon is another really big one um in terms of that and him really you know embodying and being someone else even in his thoughts and which shows like the trauma that Arya and Theon and Sansa went through to have to be at this point and to be this so terrified that they have to hide themselves in this way or you know whatever reason that they each have for being someone else yeah absolutely and it gives that whole question of who's Sansa going to be at the end of this you know Sansa 2.0 like you keep saying obviously needs some big thing to happen in between for her to become Sansa 2.0, which

I think we all know that's going to be Littlefinger and his takedown. And is it going to be enough for her to have said, you know, this was all Littlefinger's plan when I was Elaine. I had nothing to do with it. You know, her to be able to shed her skin and wash her hands of it. So that's going to be really interesting to see what kind of comes in with the poisoning of Sweet Robin and where she kind of ends up responsible. But I think it's actually something she's going to use against Littlefinger. You know, he was poisoning the Lord of the Vale. Yeah. Yeah. But you can see that even in the rest of her storyline, she already feels a little responsible for things that maybe she isn't necessarily always responsible for. And so

she might feel that responsibility when it comes to sweet robin because she feels like even though she's been lying about it she feels culpable in liza's death she feels like the death of dantos is something that weighs on her conscience she feels like she's kind of at fault there do you feel like sansa and seeks or is gonna need redemption that she does that so you think that's something that's going to come in her arc or do you think she's gonna you know completely break bad and embrace that you have to do these things and you know just live with it i don't know if it's that she needs redemption for those things i think it's one of those things does she feel like she needs it like does she feel like i think she does i think her bringing about little finger's death though

and in the end i think something that we're think her bringing about Littlefinger's death, though, and in the end, I think something that we're going to talk about a lot in our Patreon episode after this, the Winds of Winter 1 chapter for Sansa. Well, sorry, again, Elaine. Winds of Winter Elaine 1 versus, you know, just her future from the Winds of Winter and a Dream of Spring is, I think in her condemning Littlefinger to death and her finding out everything he was responsible for, you know, including her father's death, her real father's

death, and, you know, just everything he's responsible for. I think that'll clear that cautious in the end, though. I think I think we're gonna see a big sentencing of all of his crimes. So I'm just not sure if she will feel like that will absolve her entirely, or if it's something that she's just going to live with and grow up and be like, I just have to deal with these because in the, at the end of a storm of swords, right.

When she's entering that God's wood, she's like a God's wood without gods, just like me. And she feels like she's not worthy to step out into the pure snow. She feels. I mean, if she feels like she's culpable for at all for sweet robin's death she would feel you know at least akin to a kin slayer if not that she would that would add to

her guilt as well i have to say if she depending on how much she feels guilt like actual guilt or whether she thinks it depends on how much she thinks she's involved because i mean she definitely is involved it just depends on her perspective on it all yeah I mean obviously she's helping but I don't think she really knows the extent of what she's doing and it really talks a lot on the whole you know as we've discussed with Lady Gwynon a couple weeks ago and the pawn to player essays and discussions and taking her out of the context of her not having a say anymore and making her a bastard really helps you see all that context around puppet kings and puppet lords with Robert being set up as a puppet ruler and those around him fighting to have control over his stamp and name we see this a lot with Tommen

as well and it's very different from someone who has a bit more autonomy like fake Aegon. And granted, confession, I haven't finished the Aegon III section yet, of Fire and Blood, but it's something that's explored there, that idea of who rules when someone's so young. Yeah, of regency. And that's dealt with during Jaehaerys and Alysanne's chapters as well, of course.

Yeah, we do see a lot of that and even when someone's a good region that doesn't mean that the the young lord or young king is going to be too happy with the person that had to play parent to them and you know put their foot down and all that even if what they were doing was right um or wrong in some cases like little finger yeah i mean either way in the end all she's doing right now is building up just evidence of little finger and his sins that's the biggest thing about all of these chapters this book and of course next book i'm sure she'll find a ton more of his follies that he is just not covering his tracks around her because he doesn't think any of it could ever be

brought up again so they start to make their descent downwards and they go to meet up with people. Robert, of course, after this whole debacle of whether or not he's getting the dream wine, he's also being leeched. Yeah, I know. I just, that poor kid. He's like nine. I know.

I know. Dude. Like, get the bad blood out. He's nine years old. Give him a video game. Oh. Give him a video game. Oh. Give him a goddamn Game Boy and a soda and say goodbye. Like, come on.

Yes. This is what happens when you, I guess, don't have the FDA. Put all that sugar in the kids' foods. Yeah, put all the sugar and test out, you know, all these different drugs or, I don't know. All that dream wine into their foods. Yeah, be like, all these different drugs or, I don't know. All that dream wine into their foods. Yeah.

Give those general surgeon warnings. Maybe the leeches just, like, leech out all the drugs out of his blood, out of his system. Gets him a little cleaner. Well, they used to, like, think, yeah, leeching and bloodletting, they were like, this is fine.

This is how medicine works. And it's like, this is making it worse you idiots they need that blood i remember reading something recently where uh someone who i guess studies medieval culture more was talking about how the small folk actually had healthier cures than the high lords and ladies and kings and queens because they were all like using crazy shit they were like yeah we should consume mercury mercury is yeah a cure for things because it's i guess a cool pretty shiny liquid obviously it's got to be good who are we arian bright let's have a goblet of mercury and a couple of leeches and relax at the sauna sounds great to me commoners were like yeah we're gonna use garlic and herbs and like actual like real things that might be effective and not

out there yeah not drink gold or wildfire yes get it together i love this quote there's more beautiful eerie porn going on. Old snow cloaked the courtyard and icicles hung down like crystal spears from the terraces and towers. The eerie was built of fine white stone and winter's mantle made it whiter still. So beautiful, Elaine thought, so impregnable. And yeah, I love that quote too. And just this imagery of this wintry eerie. But also, I think that it's interesting how often in this chapter and other chapters they talk about the eerie being impregnable.

I agree. Which just, you gotta think that something's coming from that. And in general, I mean, they've left the eerie. They don't want to hole up there for the winter. But it makes me wonder if some people could fly there and hide there and yeah i feel like something's coming out of it in the future it's building but i don't see someone ascending the erie in in winter so i feel like they have to fly to the

erie to hide on the erie i guess is my ask ron ellen and Cheryl would know. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely, and especially how quiet it is there, right? Like, the quiet of the eerie is, like, a little too quiet. Like, something is gonna happen. Is it very eerie? How quiet it is? I'm not even

gonna dignify that with a response. We're moving on. We get this creepy line where Sansa takes something that Littlefinger would say as bravery, but it's kind of the opposite of what her actual father, Ned Stark, would say. And yet the thought of leaving frightened her almost as much as it frightened Robert. She only hid it better. Her father said there was no shame in being afraid, only in showing your fear. All men live with fear, he said. Elaine was not certain she believed that. Nothing frightened Peter Baelish. He only said that to make me brave. So of course, if we look back in the books, it kind of echoes back to Bran thought about it. Can a man still be brave if he's

afraid? That is the only time a man can be brave, his father told him. It harkens back to something we've discussed before. Bran's first beheading was Ned dealing out northern justice with lessons to be learned, but Sansa and Arya's first beheading was different. It was their father at the Sept of Baelor. So of course then we get Elaine thinking, it will mean my head if I am found, she reminds herself as she descended a flight of icy stone steps. I must be Elaine all the time, inside and out. So Sansa's defense mechanism currently in surviving is to embody everything in the lifestyle Littlefinger is providing her, all while she gathers up these evidence and clues to his demise.

I think those bravery and fear quotes are really interesting in terms of I think they're I think that's you know fairly right on the nose there that that is the only time you can really be you know you have to be brave you have to be afraid you have to feel fear of something otherwise what is there that you're being brave about if you're not even afraid of it anyways i uh i appreciate that quote a lot actually as we've discussed in a lot of previous episodes you get sansa hearkening back to ned not just his lessons there's just a lot that's reminiscent even in this chapter of things that happened with ned and yeah that bravery which Sansa displays many times throughout this chapter and then we come across I guess one of my favorites who

I don't know I'm starting to get worried after reading this chapter that he's really going to let me down okay Lothar Brun asks how sweet Robin is and I'm just worried yeah don't trust him I don't think you should trust him not to say you shouldn't distrust him. You should distrust him.

But neutral. I definitely, I think the jury's still out on him. I don't know. He's going to let me down. I think he's going to let me down. Yeah. And I'm just bracing my heart. He's a man.

So yeah, he's going to let you down. What do you think he's going to do? I don't know. What could he do? Well, okay. So there's a few things. I mean, I don't know. He's Littlefinger so there's a few things i mean i don't know he's little fingers man but he's little fingers man there's a lot of talk of maya stone throughout

this chapter and also how maya stone stresses later on she keeps being like i never fall and when a character says that they never do something the way storytelling works is it's like until one day that changed like i don't know me i don't think lothar brun would necessarily throw maya stone off but i or maybe i don't know i guess there's plenty to throw off but they're down now they yeah they get down there and i she really don't seem like any of them are planning to go back up during the winter at all they'll come back up after the winter is well over but like i said i'm still suspicious that people aren't gonna go back up to the erie during winter somehow but i don't know that that will apply i could see it being like a defense

place when winter actually comes maybe when they're you know out of options if they get run out of oh you know like the north and run out of they still have to get up there so like again i guess a caravan like dragon takes some people up there and i just it's hard for me to picture people making the ascent in the dead of winter yeah i mean the good news is i don't think that white walkers climb yeah but maybe they like i don't know i spend and they spend their way all the way up into the mountain or we have the mountain clans potentially playing a role and we know that they weren't usually able to get into the i think all the others need or some they just need to turn some mules into you know undead mules and there we go they'll make their way up and the mules will

keep going or they cling on to one of the ice bears and by ice bears i mean polar bear it's not like i just got it how do we go ice spiders ice spiders climbing the sides of the mountain oh there you go do they make huge like ice webs and then climb oh like spider-man yeah that's really interesting actually about like whether the ice spiders like what webs they make i don't know what webs they weave i don't i'm not sure i don't know i've never actually thought about it until this moment what kind of webs does a nice spider make do they make webs who knows they're huge they're freaking huge whatever they are but um in terms of lothor brun i i am suspicious of him but there's this line where he talks about saying

young girls were always happiest with older men because innocence and experience make for a perfect marriage and i wanted to get your thoughts on it because it's kind of creepy to me kind of accurate kind of just like a weird justification for all these things in my head i started to judge myself because i'm a young girl with an older man so i'm like damn well thor you really got to call me out like that i guess but um I guess he's just thinking about Mia but I don't know it's kind of creepy to me I guess ultimately to say that they're always happiest with older men yeah that's a little weird and it's weird that it's coming from him for that because like if it's so easy why haven't you gotten yourself a younger woman yet Lothar

like what he's he's waiting for the right one which is her. I do think like, cause Sansa is really projecting here. We get this in a little bit that we'll talk about, but Sansa's kind of projecting, right? She's thinking about Maya and Lothar together and it kind of makes me think, you know, like Willis's legs, Sandor's face, Tyrion's everything, all older men. And it's almost like she's just projecting

kind of who she has had in her mind, romantic relations with, which is sad. It's kind of like Lothar's hinting at Peter and Zaza, actually, now that I think a little about it as well. He's like, hint, hint. Yup. Yup. I think there's like two things at play here. Like, one is, yes, I think we're supposed to raise our eyebrows at that line and be like, uh. to raise our eyebrows at that line and be like uh and because of that it's supposed to call out hey this is maybe like a problematic idea that's just been perpetuated yeah of course like

it makes sense for older guys to be with younger girls but the opposite is is weird but i'm gonna throw this also out there um very strange reading of it. But as you all said, right, we don't see Lothar Brun at the moment having been married to anyone. And I'm not, I don't know that Lothar Brun's like super innocent. But in terms of innocence and experience, we get throughout the chapter hearing that, oh, Maya Stone is not a virgin. So what if experience is Maya Stone here? You see she's a capable like climber and the innocence is lother brun oh that's so sweet see i like that i mean i like the idea of innocence and experience being a pair for one another actually in general i don't want that

just to be some creepy thing i do like the idea of complimentary people within a couple i guess so yes i like that i think that it's probably meant to be creepy but it's also potentially meant to be seen the other way but so sansa does think about lothor marrying uh mia stone there and you know arranging it and the idea of what you know if they could get married or what marriages she could get if she had been acknowledged and all that. And all that obviously made me think of Alison and numerous other historical women in Fire and Blood who is mentioned numerous times about how they arranged marriages. Sometimes they were political marriages, but sometimes they were just marriages because they're nice people and they wanted their women to be happy and taken care of, I guess. Yeah, definitely. I also would have loved like it makes me sad that Sansa didn't have that support when she was living in King's Landing as a hostage and that she was a hostage. Even before then, I would have loved her be like a force to reckon with with those Tyrell cousins, right? Those little gossiping girls. But I don't know, with with those Tyrell cousins right those little gossiping girls but I don't know just her with actual experience in King's Landing I do love that line though there's this line that comes up that

Brune would be a good match for a bastard girl like Maya she thought it might be different if her father had acknowledged her but he never did and Maddie says she's no maid yeah it would be very different if her father had acknowledged her right like she'd be a princess of the iron throne like his own one of his only legitimate heirs next to edrick she'd have a whole mess of trouble of men trying to marry her oh yeah she's better off i think there'd probably be a whole war raised in her name yeah for sure whoever got whoever got their hands on her and managed to marry her they would yeah they would wage a lot of a lot of war there'd be a lot of death so yeah good for her that that did

not happen although never say never i guess i i don't think she's gonna get too involved in politics or anything like that but yeah maya stone yeah like i don't think she will like i don't think she will try to but i i do wonder if it is at all possible for someone to use her as a pawn but i don't think enough people know or care there's other male bastards of roberts i don't think it's going to play out but yeah the woman don't count unfortunately we don't we don't yeah maya is kind of living i just realized in some ways robert's dream life just a simple life chilling with some like mules well i don't know about the mules part but just chilling there's a lot in this like section

that's interesting about marriages because yeah there's that discussion of mayan lother but there's also that discussion of lionel corbray who is apparently marrying a spice merchant's daughter for a very large dowry then there's that great joke where they're like, I hope he remembers which one he's supposed to bed or whatever, because he's super jazzed about all that money. We also know that... Yeah, jazzed. Yeah, jazzed.

We also know that there are a lot of other spice merchants in Gulltown from our later encounters with harry and the winds elaine chapter and it seems like some maybe some of the houses or some of the people that little finger has been building alliances with might be some of those spice merchants and i think it's a great way of showing that class tension between that old money and the established houses in westeros and that rising merchant class. I mean, people have brought up a lot that Littlefinger is very much inspired by the Great Gatsby and how George R. R. Martin talks about how much he loves the story of the Great Gatsby. And you can see that tension. Littlefinger's super salty about how he's treated by other lords and ladies

because he is from like a new house and it's something that we get explored between like the westerlings and the frays old house versus newer house or not so new and later along in littlefinger super long like villain monologue that we're going to get to later of all the different errands and how some were super old and proud, but they were poor. And then some are, like, newer, the ones in Goldtown, and they're super rich, but, like, I don't know. It also reminds me of that takeover in King's Landing of Pantoshi in Fire and Blood that we get, right? Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that a little bit too. Interesting. Which is something that seems like it's going to come up

in the later books with the Free Cities, and there is a huge merchant class there, which of course Illyrio is part of. Yes. So we also have Sansa finding out that Miranda Royce has come all the way up the mountain just to come all the way back down again. She wonders this.

And in my head, I'm like, it's because she's a bad-ass boss, but also because, uh, the Royces know what's up. You know? Yeah.

Cause the Royces are in the most John Ralphio voice I could give you from Parks and Rec. So spacious. Perfect. yeah because the royces are in the most john ralphio voice i could give you from parks and rec suspicious perfect they don't think she's a lame that was spot on that was a great john ralphio voice i have to tell you and i'm in the john ralphio shirt right now so oh yeah exactly you're the officiator yes it was i'm actually quite impressed by how john ralphio-esque that sing-talking was. Anyways. Thank you. Lothar warns Sansa that Maya did not travel alone,

of course, as said, that she brought Lady Randa, and Lady Randa is a force to be reckoned with. She's Randy. Oh, man. Randy Randa. It's so good. But no, I was especially pleased to cover this chapter because I really do love Miranda Royce. She's just really, really amusing.

She's so, so funny. And honestly, to me, she's like a Sex and the City character in Westeros, basically. And her name is even Miranda, which is the name of one of the characters. So I don't know about that. But straight away, Miranda asks Elaine if she's still a virgin. Like that's one of her first, she gets straight to it. As we know, she knows a little more about what's going on. And that's why she's trying to get little bits out of her here.

But she told her just some outrageous things, like about how her husband died while, and this is how Miranda puts it, quite bluntly, fucking her. Inside her and all. And I really do wonder if that's the truth or Miranda's just being, like, particularly outrageous and shocking and it wasn't right then. But, I mean, if he was old, it happens, I guess. I guess. I guess. So I can believe it happens but i can also

believe that miranda is just fucking with sansa uh with elaine which she is doing throughout this basically kind of playing with her because i mean i think we all agree that she you know they know they know a good bit about what's going on here but we also find out that Miranda had sex with Marillion. She really lays on the innuendo, talking about the sweet things he could do with his fingers. Not anymore. Yeah, basically every line, not anymore, but basically every line Miranda has is just like zing, zing, zing. It's just all so sassy, basically. Man, Sansa must be sitting there like her stomach churning, though. Yeah, yeah. sassy basically and sansa must be sitting there like her stomach churning though yeah yeah i it also does make me wonder again like her talking about i i really wonder the exact extent of what

miranda royce knows everything that's why her hair is so big it's full of secrets but i mean like do you think she knows that Marillion didn't kill Lysa there? I wonder. I wonder. I wonder how much she's playing with her. I think they assume that he didn't actually kill her. I mean, I think Bronzion at least assumes. Nestor doesn't care because he has power now.

Yeah. He just wanted the gates of the moon. But I think Bronzion, I think he assumes it. I think Randa assumes it. I think they assume that it was actually Littlefinger because they all hate Littlefinger. They think he's scum. I mean, Littlefinger talks about how cunning and smart Miranda Royce is. So I wouldn't put it past her.

And all of these little, I mean, she's doing these little needling things where Elaine wouldn't guess that Miranda knows what's going on. But when you read it, assuming that she knows, it really seems like she's just messing with her a little bit. But while also she's gauging her reactions and seeing what kind of a person she is as well and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. Sansa ends up getting dressed into something appropriate

to go down the mountain, something nice and warm. I love the line that she's dressed like a little bear cub. She meets with Maya, Lothar, and Mord waiting to make the descent. And she does know about Maya's parentage. She says, yes, she thought, looking at her now. Those are his eyes. And she has his hair, too. The thick black hair he shared with Renly.

I love this line and description like the way that it's delivered feels so much like that Ned chapter when he first meets Gendry and he says yes I can see it there's Robert's eyes and his hair he looks just like him and I don't I wonder if like the whole royal bastard thing is going to come into play in sansa's future chapters yeah i wonder that too i mean sansa could run into gendry she could run into you know there's like robert has a number of royal of bastards that she could run into you know edric storm gendry um and have that happen again i guess absolutely sansa's also scared of making the descent on the mules but she summons her bravery she sweet talks sweet Robin telling him how brave he is

my lord is brave Elaine said when she felt him shaking I'm so frightened I can hardly talk but not you she felt him nod the winged knight was brave and so am I he boasted to her bodice I'm an errand aww

little sweet Robin Elaine are you my mother now i think that little i mean that is sweet and all that as much as i'm also like grossed out lightly by the boasted to her bodice i i like i can't not i don't know whatever i'm like it's gross and sweet but also i'm like props to elaine to Sansa there, because, I mean, she says there, I'm so frightened I can hardly talk, but not you. But in actuality, she is so frightened, yet she can still manipulate him lightly, you know, and generally pump him up, I guess, even during this fear. She can still coddle him. Yeah. And it's hard to get kids to do what you want.

They don't care about your logic. You're just going to do whatdle him. Yeah. And it's hard to get kids to do what you want. They don't care about your logic. You're just gonna do what they want. Yeah. And then, of course, Q, as you were saying, Miranda Royce. Mm-hmm. Twenty mules awaited them from within the Waycastle, along with two mule walkers and the Lady Miranda Royce. Lord Nestor's daughter proved to be a short fleshy woman of an age with maya stone but where maya was slim and sinewy miranda was soft-bodied and sweet smelling

broad of hip thick of waist and extremely buxom her thick chestnut curls framed round red cheeks a small mouth and a pair of lively brown eyes when robert climbed gingerly from the bucket she knelt in a patch of snow to kiss his hand and cheeks my lord she said you've grown so big she knows how to handle him immediately shown uh very clear also just like they talk about round red cheeks whose cheeks wouldn't be like rosy red out in that cold in the wind and all that anyway i just like i had always like kind of thought maybe she like wears some makeup but i just now thought i was like you know she probably just is you know it's a blustery day and all that

but i'm never gonna be able to think of her without thinking of that her hair is full of secrets line honestly i just because i really do say her thick chestnut curls like she does have big hair yeah and to be fair she shares some of those little gossipy secrets with sanza uh and in return for some of her gossip sanza gives her a little bit of her own she starts a gossip about maya and lothor with her theories about lothor's affection for maya Sansa begins to think about how she missed having a friend to gossip with. Well, sorry, we mean Elaine, of course. Yeah, and we get, obviously, the biggest bit of gossip,

of news that she learns is that Jon Snow is Lord Commander. And we get that very oft-quoted line, I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet to see him once again I've seen that line so many times I mean it is a really nice like to show that she really does care but it really is a very popular line but um there is a little bit as much as Elaine Sansa is dealing

with this this really big news and adjusting to that, Miranda is also getting some interesting news from telling her that. Yeah, Sansa is supposed to be Elaine here, but she acts almost interested. And she immediately responds, oh, Jon Snow, Ned Stark's bastard? Sansa, you're supposed to have grown up in a convent and know nothing about the Night's Watch except for it being in the frigid north. All of Miranda's salacious behaviors in this chapter, they're trying to provoke Sansa into saying something wrong. That one false step. And I mean, she does get her to say something wrong, but then she covers her tracks for her because I don't think she doesn't want her to know that she's been outed to Miranda. So she's like, oh, it would be snow, wouldn't it?

been outed to Miranda so she's like oh it would be Snow wouldn't it is in the bastard in the north you know like trying to be like oh that's how you know this is not like how do you know his first name John Snow but she like very well like deflects this so she isn't trying to out herself to her yet there's no recovering from that one though yeah no yeah you would think that Elaine would realize that she's messed up here and revealed a little too much. But she's so overwhelmed at the thought of Jon Snow and then her family still being out there and all of that. And now she has a friend. Yeah. And now she has a friend.

So she basically doesn't really realize that she confirmed some things for Miranda right there. Yeah. And the language shows that Miranda's covering because she goes, our cousin Bronzion has himself a melee at Rhinestone, and then it says Miranda went on oblivious. Yeah. And it points out this idea of oblivious is like, she's acting oblivious.

Yeah. Sansa fears and admires the very narrow steps that have very much so eroded over the years as she descends the Eyrie and she tries to trust her mule. Yeah, some of the descriptions of these steps are so terrifying, especially when they have to get off the mule and walk, you know, in particular, like walk alone. Oh, really hard to read, honestly, for me. I'm not even I'm not even particularly scared of heights but just these like icy slippery paths that sucks that sucks hard i would not want that

dude i'm the person that eats shit like just walking to the bus in the morning i'm holding on to all of the fences by me and i'm like i'm gonna fall because i do fall and i'm like this was so painful honestly you guys told me that i was like harsh for wanting to knock sweet robin out and bring him down to be honest i think they should knock me out and bring me down the mountain so i i you know i'm not really judging him for that you were just projecting you were like i would want to i wouldn't want to have to deal with this it's true as soon as he brought it up as an option i'm like oh is that an option you can just have someone knock you out and take you up and down sounds great you're the person who uh on an airplane like takes all the drama mean and stuff just pass out

for that i would if riding an airplane was that like i had to look down at like a clear shot down to the ground like you know those airplanes where they have clear floors have you ever seen those no why would i want that that sounds like yeah they have airplanes like they're not common but they have you know see-through floors so you can look like your feet just to the sky below you and so yeah i would i would would dose myself up with some drugs if I was on an airplane like that. Yeah. Or just not ride that airplane. Yeah.

Sounds way more expensive anyway. Yes. No, it's definitely something that people spend more for. Well, and if that's not enough, you have a kid having seizures the whole time going down this height. Like, that's even worse. Imagine, ugh.

Yeah. No, really. kid having seizures the whole time going down this height like that's even worse imagine oh yeah no really i think i'd be really is my horror like this uh terrible thought of just like yeah him having a seizure and he like freaks out and just pulls the lane down or pulls whoever's trying to grab him down off the mountain and anyways it didn't happen though they make it down spoiler they don't just fall to their deaths. And Sansa handles it pretty well. You know, she handles it as best and as calmly as she can. And she's like realizing she's so familiar now that she can see and anticipate that Robert Aaron's about to have another shaking fit. And she's like, fuck, we need to deal with this. All right. We can't wait for Maya to come back with her mules. And she seizes the moment she takes charge yeah she does and then miranda compliments her for this

afterwards saying you know oh you're brave as well as beautiful right and well first off so you agree you think you're pretty yeah's it. That is what's happening. It's literally Mean Girls. That's hilarious. But you know, it honestly made me think of Sansa, you know, thinking about how sweet Robin likes to be told how strong he is. Miranda's like seeing how well she responds to flattery and compliments and all that and pumping her up. Maybe a little bit of actually giving her props because i i really do think she deserves to be complimented for doing this it's a scary thing and she was right to take him across right then and all that but i i am suspicious of her

compliments i guess miranda's compliments like and both like i i feel like one she's maybe trying to get on her good side because she's gonna blow up and politically, basically, you know, Elaine is if she, if she, since she starts to start, like, Miranda's being genuine in that compliment. I think that, as you said, there is a lot of Miranda trying to get into Sansa's, sorry, Elaine's good graces. But I do think that she really meant saying that, oh, you're brave as well as beautiful, genuinely. Because, I mean, that was a big deal, like what she did there. And Sansa does show bravery like throughout this chapter you we were discussing it before this idea of ned's definition of what it means to be brave and sansa's doing it throughout here she's powering through her own fears to take care of herself and like the child lord of the eerie and veil yeah and yeah i mean i think miranda's friendship with

sansa with elaine can be built around lies basically just a web of lies but also be genuine a genuine affection for each other where they where they like each other's company and all of that and have respect for each other and all that but i do wonder i mean i really want to see that this is revealed between them i yeah i want them to not have so many lies between them it's a frenemy relationship me it really is so they again once more get to talk about the winged knight and inspire robert to make the descent uh and i do love i know ashea loves this too and i think eliana you have to love this line i mean you can't legally be on this podcast without loving this line but there's a

line in a passage so the whole passage is up here where the slope was steepest the steps wound back and forth rather than plunging straight down sansa stark went up the mountain but elaine stone is coming down it was a strange thought coming up, Maya had warned her to keep her eyes on the path ahead, she remembered. Look up, not down, she said, but that was not possible on the descent. I could close my eyes. The mule knows the way.

He has no need of me. But that seemed more something Sansa would have done, that frightened girl. Elaine was an older woman and bastard brave. Yeah, I like that. I like all of it, but I and bastard brave. Yeah, I like that. I like all of it, but I love bastard brave particularly. But I also think it's relatable to me.

Well, I don't know how to phrase it exactly, but she thinks about maybe she could just close her eyes during this descent. Decides Elaine would not do that as she is bastard brave. And I am a bastard, but I totally closed my eyes on portions of roller coasters. So I think that if I couldn't get knocked out and brought down the mountain, I would totally close my eyes and just like be hugging my mule for the love of God, just terrified. So I, yeah, she's much, much braver than I am. I get that for sure

i like how there are people who talk about who the different people that sansa's patterning that idea of what bastard brave means like where the hell does that even come from like are all bastards brave i don't know there's ramsey snow he sucks and it was john snow wasn't particularly brave like around the house you know like i guess there's not's ramsay snow he sucks and it was john snow wasn't particularly brave like around the house you know like i guess there's not a lot of things that he did that were bastard brave around winterfell yeah though i there have been people saying that that's who she's parenting it off of but i guess here she's thinking of it as she's seeing maya stone and being like i'm gonna be like maya yeah i think you're right yeah I think that that is the more direct inspiration now that I think about it

oh Maya I love it I love it I love it that should be like the little three like friends thing yeah like Maya Miranda Elaine yeah I agree they need a fourth for little foursome

cause it's always four for those kind of shows they'll get a fourth for sure sex in the nation or sex in the kingdom yeah something sex in the eerie I don't know there must be one more what was it there must be another oh my god the show must have four heads

which one's the old lady is it Gretchel or Maddie I always get some confused the old lady Gretchel it'll be Gretchel random there we go perfect uh but it is notable like and during all this gossip that we get with Miranda that she does not like Harry the heir she does not like him not at all very rude about him and I kind of trust her judgment in general and i already don't get a good feeling about him so yeah it really it makes me think that the royces super support the robert aaron faction and not the harry the air faction that we kind of see splitting off yeah you think it comes down to just the factionalism or do you think it is like she just also is thinks he's i

don't know i just don't trust harry i guess oh i don't trust him at all but i don't know. I just don't trust Harry. Oh, I don't trust him at all. But I don't think he's gonna survive either way. Yeah. I think it's because A, Harry's obviously kind of a fuckboy. Ob. Ob. And B, she's just like, damn, I can't believe this guy thinks like he's better than me. Like what? I'm not good enough to marry. I'm of House Royce. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I can see that a little i should have a little bit of bitter resentment whatever like that um as well so i was talking about how complimentary miranda was towards sansa and well like i said i so suspicious of the meaning of all of that i also can't not picture it like We're talking about these friend groups and friend pairings and all that.

I keep picturing Miranda as like a Leslie Knope to Sansa's or Elaine's Ann Perkins or as like an Alana from Broad City to her Abby. Just like just showering her with these compliments. I'm just, yes. I think more of the Alana, when I thought about it more, I think it's more of an Alana to an Abby based on how outrageous and sexual Miranda is. To how straight-laced Elaine is. So yeah. That's my spin-off

idea, I guess. Just two gals living at the gates of the moon. Just hanging out. Just hanging out. Going to tourneys. Seeing Dick. No, I don't know this that's it it's their life if i did i by dick i mean dick crab just to be clear alana would have been a

good actress to cast for miranda royce had that been a thing in the show i mean she's really outrageous i still picture uh she's oh yeah she does have curls but you still want like a sassy Alana is busty but she's not like buxom I guess and she's not like that femininity that Miranda Royce seems to kind of have she has this femininity attached to her yeah

when I hear her again I've made multiple Sex and the City references and I don't know how well you can like hear their voices in your head but I basically hear Samantha from Sex and the City. Even though her name is Miranda, I hear that Kim Cattrall drawl that she has where everything is very sexy, innuendo type thing. That's my voice for Miranda Royce. There's this passage from Miranda.

Maybe you should do your Miranda voice for it, A'shea. I don't think I can do that voice. don't think i have that you don't have a buxom sassy gossipy yeah i don't have like i don't have i don't know about that voice but uh no i don't seduce me ashea okay i'll try this is so embarrassing because i really can't do it justice to what i hear in my head at all i'm not really going to be trying, but I'm going to do the voice. I think you should try. Okay. I think so.

We all know how devoted he was to Lady Lysa, said Miranda. But he cannot mourn forever. He needs a pretty young wife to wash away his grief. I imagine he could have his pick of half the noble maidens in the Vale. Who could be a better husband than our own bold Lord Protector? Though I do wish he had a better name than Littlefinger. How little is it, do you know? What a sassy question.

Oh, my God. How little is it? And then, of course, it just flusters her immensely, as it would. I mean, it just flusters her immensely as it would i mean it would foster anyone so like i mean especially this is really gives away that she's not talking to his daughter that she knows this because i don't think she would ask his daughter about his penis yeah who does that don't and that really says like that whole royce faction is sitting there going ah so is the start girl fucking him or what's going on? Yeah, exactly. That's all they're thinking. Exactly. She starts off asking if she's still innocent and then, you know, basically gets to the

end of it and asks more directly about what it looks like. Well, and there's also differing things in her story there, too, because Peter's story he tells everyone is that his natural daughter got bored and she flowered one day and she realized she didn't want to be a celibate old crone. So she wanted to go see the world and she should be full of life and flirting and happy which we see her embody in the elaine one wins a winner chapter a little more but uh you know miranda here is poking at her and trying to be like okay are you kind of are you into sex are you banging little finger are you doing this you know who john snow is like this is obviously not

are you doing this you know who john snow is like this is obviously not elaine yeah a she's asking because of that and then you can tell there's a couple of things going on here because she's like who would be a better husband than our own bold lord protector literally anyone anybody like all of them and she does the same thing when she's talking about Liza earlier when Sansa was like it was wise of Liza to keep us out of the war and Miranda's like yeah Liza the very soul of wisdom I love that and okay I'm gonna throw this crazy idea out

there I see it in the document it really blew my mind I never once read it like this and I think you might not be wrong anyways I'm just it's a crazy wild idea, but we know that Nestor Royce is kind of trying to rise above his station. Right. And Miranda's his daughter and clearly much smarter when it comes to some of these,

like picking things out, maybe trying to rise above her station as well. If she was trying to marry hair of the air, what if Miranda tries to seduce her, like broker marriage for little finger or like even if she just attempts to seduce him in general she would probably be highly unsuccessful because you know she's not 13 year old catelyn stark yeah no i think she probably would be unsuccessful i don't think little finger would marry her i guess it could play he could find a way that it would make sense for his plans. But I really,

my mind was blown by you writing that. I really had never considered that, but I, I feel like that's has to be a consideration of Miranda's. Like she has to be thinking that I'm unmarried. He's unmarried. He's powerful. I could be more powerful.

Like maybe she's realized that she's like, maybe I could be more powerful, but I'll be dead I'll be killed or he won't go for it or all these things that mean that it won't work but I would like to see that play out yeah be like Arianne trying to because we see

it's obvious like Arianne's probably going to try to seduce John Connington or something at first right? I don't know because like she thought about it. She's like, I wonder what kind of woman John likes. Yeah, yeah. The kind that's not.

Yeah, the kind that's not. The kind that's not. Rhaegar, that's who. That's the kind of Rhaegar. I love that, too, though. It's very much like Cersei with her whole Stannis in A Clash of Kings that, you know, any other man I could have hoped to seduce but not Stannis

yeah Miranda very much uses that woman's weapon she definitely has that training that we've talked about yeah she does so they finally cross the very last gorge and we get this really cool passage oh yeah this is the one that

terrified me that I was talking about yes this is uh right after of course more uh artist erin kind of exposition to give sweet robin some bravery sir sweet robin lord robert said and elaine knew that she dare not wait for maya to return she helped the boy dismount and hand in hand they walked out onto the bare stone saddle their cloaks snapping and flapping behind them all around was empty air and sky the ground falling away sharply to either side there was ice underfoot and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle and the wind was howling fiercely it sounds like a ghost thought sansa a ghost wolf big as mountains yeah ghost eh a ghost wolf big as mountains yeah ghost a a ghost wolf oh but the thing that got me about that quote that really scared me honestly was two things was one

to talk about their cloaks snapping and i know laughing behind them i'm like picturing how tiny and light sweet robin must be and like just picturing like his cloak just like picking him up within the breeze anyways and just pulling him off whatever but then you have there was ice underfoot and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle just uh and just really terrifying i twist my ankle all the time like the other day i was walking on the sidewalk here in philly and i twisted my ankle like just walking oh yeah so like that's just normal for me no snow so i'm just saying you probably got some good shoes on too and what kind of shoes are they wearing in westeros yeah not very good some doe skin flats yeah some boots

i don't know what boots they have they don't have rubber yeah i know i do wonder how well like how well protected their their shoes are from the wet and cold, now that I think about it. Technologies existed for there to be, like, you know, whatever otter skin. No, I don't know. You know, like, stuff like that. Yeah. There's certain animals that reflect it more. Regarding the cloaks snapping and flapping, I get the image of...

Do you remember that small video of Kit Harington flapping his cloak? Yeah. You're right. And then they turned it into a meme and then he takes off into the air. And that's what I see when I think of... That's perfect. Happy Targaryen-ness. Okay, you made this a lot less scary to me now because I can just picture a sweet Robin,

just like a little Robin. He flies into the air with his cloak. A little Borb. Yeah. Okay, good. It's still dangerous. So they get down to the veil. And Elaine's now like, I'm so glad that we are here.

I'm ready to get into this bed. She's going to get in Miranda's bed. Miranda invites her to join her in bed, too, for some pillow talk. Yeah. She makes a jab. She's like, I don't like maidens who have cold feet and i do think this was pointed out by um fat walda and uh mighty isabel and i forgot who else was on that episode of maester monthly that it could be about how sansa has just run from her marriage from tyrian yeah yeah that's interesting yeah i like that she's like super

excited to go into bed which like yeah i understand this feeling and the next thing you know she's and she's like looking forward to waking up in the morning she's like this castle is gonna be so great and lively and i'm about to go into this feather bed for the first time it's gonna be awesome but oh now i have to go deal with like my quote-un. Oh, buzzkill. He's like right here and waiting for her. Yeah. That's all I, that's my only word for this section is just ugh. I don't know. It's gross. Yeah, cause like first thing when he sees her, he's

like, oh, maybe my daughter should give me a kiss. This is why people are asking Sansa weird things, okay? Yeah. Like blink twice if you're okay. Sansa stares into camera, not blink i am elaine now but yeah his little finger makes his whole comment he's like about her kissing him better the second time was it's like actually like a sexual you know not just like a kiss a daughter

would give a father yeah and i'm like really little finger really you think she should have given you that kiss in front of these three hedge knights byron morgarth and shadrick like i don't think so i i don't know what i i guess he just liked the line i i obviously he can't be genuine that he thinks that she should kiss him like that in front of them yeah and it's like it's gross it's like he's almost showing them like you can't have her she's my property but while demeaning her and like tying her to him at the same time yeah really gross and of course shad rich shows up like you said which he has made his way to the pages of sansa's plot right off of brienne's plot uh and i think that's really gonna play off in the winds of winter i think uh i think he's probably to try to get some gold from taking her and fail.

Definitely. I mean, he is the mad mouse and who helped Cinderella, right? Exactly. Exactly. That's why I keep you around, Eliana. Yeah. That and puns about the eerie. That's not why I keep you around.

You loved it. You loved it. That's not true. I loved it. You loved it. This is not true not true i loved it you loved it this is not true so little finger goes through he gives us this big lowdown on what's going on in king's landing and it's a shit show as we know because cersei is a little incompetent right just a little how did little finger think that it would take her four or five years like i don't know how he

thought this wouldn't just implode imminently i don't know that was some bad judgment yeah he knows cersei like he knows her i don't know it's obviously like a jab at george right in the five the five year gap the five years yeah that's true i had hoped to have four or five quiet years to plant some seeds and allow some fruits to ripen. But now it is a good thing that I thrive on chaos. Okay, Edgelord. What is that shit? Chaos is a ladder.

Obviously, George was going to do a failure gap. But I will say, George, you have had four or five not so quiet years to write these books. Oh, whoa. A call out. Oh, wow. Wow. A hash. A shay is out here. Settle down, a sh-out for the J.F. Wow, a cast. A Shaya's out here.

Settle down, Shaya. But you know, it is more meant to actually, I don't think he was calling himself out for his time spent writing, but exactly that five-year gap thing. Do you think George thinks he drives on chaos?

Does George see himself in Littlefinger? Oh my god, stop. I hope not. I hope not too. No TP. Littlefinger says that this piece is not gonna hold during this war of the three queens, which Sansa is confused about

what and who he means. He then says he brought Sansa a gift from Goldtown and at first she's like, is it jewels or a dress or better, is it lemons? Same. You know, like. Is it lemons? And Littlefinger's. He does get her lemons eventually. True. He does. He clears out the veil for her.

He's like, will this get me laid? I know. Littlefinger's like, no I got you. Even better than all these things. I got you a husband. Sansa's like no I got you Even better than all these things I got you a husband So it's like what I have like several I'm married I literally never asked for this

Literally no one wanted this I'm single and ready to mingle What are you talking about She's like actually I'm not I'm already married And Littlefinger's like, no, no, no. That's Ned Stark's daughter who's married to Tyrion Lannister, not my daughter

alone. This could only get better, right? Yeah. I think the one thing that we really need to top it all off is another villain monologue. This time it's about Lady Anya Wainwood and Harry the Heir, which everyone's like, whoa, I can't believe they showed up to that

wedding. And because there's nothing more in the world that Littlefinger loves than hearing the sound of his own voice and forcing Sansa to listen to him. He's all like, I'm gonna explain everything to you. And I'm just gonna give everyone the abridged version, alright? You can all read

the whole, like, spiel. Or A'shea can go through everything or ashea can go through everything or chloe can go through everything of how this works but harry isn't anya waynewood's heir he's heir to the eerie he's the air airy if you will red herring harry the airy the the heir apparent the red herring apparent yeah this is like little fingers penultimate villain monologue in a feast for crows it's his his i want speech but it isn't really what he wants because this plan is to rally the veil to her side and harry's probably gonna suffer an accident at another's hand or sword in my opinion i think it's to be lynn corbray possibly and then little finger thinks he's going to swoop in and marry her now the veil is going on her side which is like

obviously not going to happen because the villain's not going to win he won't get to marry penelope pit stop and fiddle his mustache like that's not it's not what's going to happen but he gives this big monologue and basically in the end it comes down to the wayne woods having the erin blood left over and figuring out who actually has that blood of secession which is something that we've talked about a lot lately with dance of the dragons interesting that it comes right down to harry being the heir and she is going to marry him just after she got done finding out her new bff her best friend slash frenemy uh miranda wanted him and couldn't have him and that he has some kids a couple of bastards obviously she she parrots this back to little finger like the gossip that

she learned you know it shows that you know she's learning stuff but she's like says and he's like yeah of course he's a couple of kids just not just the one yeah keep up all that. But the big ending to his thought is that he wants another kiss from her. He's like, well, isn't that worth another kiss? And oh, God. No, I hope that other kiss should be after he does all of this. You don't get another kiss until this has all happened. Little fingers. You got to.

This marriage has to happen and then it reminds me of another line from a famed woman in our story that we've read that love is sweet but it cannot change a man's nature about harry the air harry the air has some major robert baratheon vibes going on there oh definitely two bastards already two yeah two already how old is he even like early probably 1920 you know they start humping whenever they can these days yeah yeah regarding that whole succession thing that you're talking about chloe there is like you can definitely see little fingers kind of thought this thing through though because they're all like we have people like the royces who are honor bound and stuff and they're like yeah they're supporting robert aaron as you all were talking about and they're like but harry the air you know

he's he's like strong and like a knight and people think he's so cool and stuff and people want to support someone like him it's like what happened not just in the dance it's like what happened in the black fire rebellion they're like well guy, that guy can fight and stuff. We should make him king. But still, do you think, I mean, does Littlefinger honestly, like, deep down think that he can have this power

that anyone's ever gonna respect him? He just doesn't have the family history for him to pull it off. Even if he, like, eases people into it. Which you could think is maybe his plan. Like you go from robert to harry so then a little finger just basically ruling you know or you know or wherever else he's ruling i i don't know i don't well it all comes back to the very beginning when he says to sansa that you know even pawns can have will of their own they They can move.

But he doesn't realize it's going to be about Sansa. And that's going to take down his entire plan that he has going on. Yeah, I think he thinks to an extent that Harry might be a dumb jock or just might not be as strong leader as he thinks he should be. But even if he's going to kill Harry, then who's going to rule after? You think that he's trying to set it up for Sansa with her little son? Honestly, I don't completely understand Littlefinger's endgame in terms of the actual feasibility for him. He has some grand ambitions, and I just don't think that it can really happen for him. Even disregarding the others coming and all this other you know stuff that's

going on that's gonna throw a monkey wrench into things like if things were just normal i don't think he could his plan could succeed i think the biggest thing that it really depends on is sansa that's the biggest variable and the veil all wanted to be in the war for the stars right so they wanted to go to war and liza wouldn't let them so they had to sit there at home feeling like the assholes and then you have ned stark growing up in the veil valiant ned's precious little girl right is in the veil and she has suffered these horrors from the lannisters and these horrors from little finger even and in the end you know if harry dies and i don't think sweet Robin's going to die as early as everybody thinks. I think he's going to hold out a little longer. I don't think he's going to

die. But, you know, after she relays all these atrocities and she rallies the veil bannermen to help take Winterfell back, I mean, the veil might follow the north instead of the crown. Oh, yeah, I guess he thinks it's all. Yeah, obviously he thinks it's all big. That's what I guess. Really, it banks on him thinking she'll have enough clout that if she says you know little finger's good and he's gonna be my husband that everyone will follow exactly based on her blood and all that but again he's just crazy it's not gonna happen little finger that's the thing no one would ever follow little finger smaller he just needs to dream smaller like he could have success if he just stayed at a lower station but that's what happens men dream too big and we know

what happens then off with their heads he's just like we're gonna wild card sit figure out what happens afterwards because he's all like chaos i thought i had chaos i'm little finger uh man that was a chapter though it's really a good chapter it's so much going on it really is so much setup and it ends on such like a a build-up cliffhanger like what comes next oh man we don't know we have to wait till the winds of winter little finger kiss her that's the big question stop i think he does i does. I hope not. It just picks up from the first chapter. He's like, he kissed her. That's

where it starts. No cliffhanger. Get a job. Yeah, he's just bumping off a song's name. Exactly. Everybody does this. Everybody just takes her claim. Well, guess what, bitches? She's going to take her claim.

So suck on that. Suck on your little finger, little finger. Get a job. Oh my god, this was great. This was fun. I'm really excited for our Patreon episode now. Yeah. Well, Ashaya, thank you so much for

joining us today. Hey, do you want to talk about what you guys have coming up next for History of Westeros? I know you guys have been doing a lot of streams, a lot of fun stuff, but I know you guys work on your actual episodes, too. Yeah, right now I'm smack dab in the middle of the video editing for our next full episode, scripted episode, which is on Gagasos. Yes, that should be quite fun. episode which is on gagasos our our yes that should be quite fun our next fully scripted episode will be blood raven part three which is really just like about the three-eyed crow you know it's really about its own thing blood ravens one and two were about him as a politicker and spy master and all that sort of thing this is him up at the wall and as as um the last green as the

green seer so we've got that coming up. But as you said, we've been doing regular Fire and Blood streams every Tuesday at 6 p.m. Eastern time. And that will continue. I'm on it sometimes. Sometimes I'm not. We've had some cool guests like yours truly there. I said that wrong, but it's okay. Whatever.

It's been like two hours. It's's gonna be expected that i'm a little we use the brains yeah i used it all up i have no talk good anymore but um so yeah blood raven gagasos fire and blood eventually we're gonna segue back into some game of thrones tv coverage towards early April or late March. We should have our exact date in a couple of... When this is out everyone will know the date. Actually soon. We'll find out. I think hopefully we will all be

watching the premiere together at Ice and Firecon next year. Yes, I think so too. I'm really excited for that. I know, I think so. That's basically what's new with me. Just fire and blood coverage for the most part. And of course, we all will be

at Ice and Fire Con this year. It's the last weekend of April, so make sure to check it out. If you haven't ever been, it's really fun. It's in Ohio, in the States, about 40 minutes out from the Columbus Airport. Beautiful on a gorgeous park and just gorgeous water all over. It's a national park.

It's so lovely. Yeah, this state park. So cool. It's so cool. You can actually get $5 off if you use my code, which is drunk, or if you use A'shea's code, which is history. Yeah, that's true. Does Eliana, you guys don't have one for Girls Gone Canon?

You don't have one? We didn't do it in time. No. Well, I don't think I need one, right? I have Chloe here, and she's like literally the thing. The thing. She's the thing. Yeah.

Well, yeah, we started too late this year. Maybe next year. Maybe next year you'll be able to use Canon. Okay, cool. We'll see. You guys should have it. I would feel like, I mean, I guess you're already like, what code are you going to pump up then, Chloe?

It'll be hard for you to decide. Yeah. Yeah. Just pick one. I mean mean i'm sometimes drunk too that's as chloe says that's our our origin story you know well that's not what whatever well we don't want to leave this episode high and dry we do have something pretty pretty exciting to announce this is the last sansa chapter we will have a patreon episode coming out within the next two weeks for Elaine 1 in the Winds of Winter. So check that out. $5 and up patrons at patreon.com slash girlsgonecanon. But Eliana, I think we have something more exciting to announce.

Yeah, you guys. We're going to do our next POV. Elaine, Elaine. No, I'm joking. I wish our next POV is everyone's favorite sad boy Theon Greyjoy

oh I did it wrong there must be a term for like a squid baby a baby squid? a squidling? no there has to be one there has to be one though yeah Theon Greyjoy Theon and Sansa are two of my favorite characters in POVs A squid? A squidling? No. A squidlet? Yes. There has to be one, though, yeah. Oh, a squidlet? Theon Greyjoy? Theon? Okay, Theon and Sansar are two of my favorite characters in POVs in, like, Song of Ice and Fire,

because, yeah, I just like sad things, I guess, but... It's not really a great term when I look it up, but I find it says a paralarve. A paralarve. My sad paralarve. That's the hatchling for all baby octopi and squids. Wow. Anyways, for the baby. I just looked at what's a baby squid. I love my paralarve. Yeah.

I'm excited to do the Theon chapters. Me too. It's going to be so sad. I can't wait. It's going to be like really cocky for like four episodes, five episodes. And then it's sad. Just really sad. Actually like fewer than that.

Anyways, just sad. I'm so excited to get sad. It's like the base is going to drop. That's how it works. Well, as always, you guys,

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He just went back in the bedroom. Or should we do the History of Westeros one? Yeah. An all acapella version of these songs. The next big thing is acapella groups within a song of Ice and Fire fan communities. Please, George, give us this book. The songs of Ice and Fire.