Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 72 - ADWD Jon VI

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

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Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon, A Song of Ice and Fire, Episode 72, John Six in A Dance with Dragons. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. You might know me from the internet as LizaNArbor on Twitter, on Tumblr, and LizaNArborGold.com. And I am Eliana, another one of your hosts. You might know me as GlossyTableGirl from Reddit, from the Mason-Rudley podcast, or as Arithmetric over on Twitter. Yes, where you're putting out them sick tweets. Am I? I don't know. Maybe they should get some medical attention. You guys, we're back

in black. Back. Back in the world! Okay, we've been totally not with john for a bit so i feel like we're getting back in the groove of things we're back at castle black stuff sucks still stuff does still suck for john because turns out um administration and managing down isn't great he was also managing up he was playing both for a while, and that's no fun. Yeah, when corporate shows up, totally the worst. I get you, Jen. I get you.

I mean, I don't usually have to do both. I don't usually have to do one. My friend just tells me that managing both Up and Down sucks. I'm like, okay. We got some really good emails and tweets of note from some of our friends uh one of our friends our patron reds sent us a note that said since we already know from season eight that john kills danny with his dagger wow through whose pov do you guys think we are going to read the sticking of the pointy end in the books double wow this is the way to put it

i feel like reds is like very inflammatory, right? Like very like out there to start shit. Like they tweeted something today about Howlin' and Ashara and I was like, this is bait. This is literally bait for me to come to this tweet, isn't it? Red's goes on to say maybe it could be through multiple POVs, John's and Danny's. I think it would be swell if it was from Jamie's POV, if he lives. Full on ironic circle with him in Ned's place watching the spitting image of the Honorable Ned Stark do the dishonorable, if not more dishonorable deed he'd done those years ago. But this lion of Casterly Rock will not judge the White Wolf of Winterfell, what do you think?

Also, Reds gave us some Jonza fanart. Also, Reds gave us some Jonza fan art. So I think that the idea of it being Jaime's interesting, I think it should be from Daenerys' point of view, right? I think that it's a culmination of everything that she's been through, and it should be from her point of view and story. We get so much about the difficulties of ruling and betrayal and treachery and stuff right from outsider perspectives when it comes to the other kings like Robert, Stannis, Baelon, etc and Rob even but I think that if it's kind of being kept so that we have it through Daenerys's point of view at the end I think that if it's kind of being kept so that we have it through Daenerys's point of view at the end I think that makes it really impactful and also I think that you could end up with a really

great sort of parallel right of I mean if it is with a dagger and a pointy end god damn it you know it's like she never felt the fourth knife I mean there's not a fourth knife but oh in a way I mean this is the fourth knife though this is like me you and joe magician talked about back in a game of thrones 800 years ago of john uh if you remember we talked about kind of how a weebab uh we talked about how danny and john and amen all have three tests right john and amen have three tests that they have to pass and they lose on their fourth test. They fail their fourth test.

And Danny has three treasons. So what's the fourth treason that she dies for going to be? John. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think John is, uh, the fourth.

Yeah. I don't think he's one of the three. No. Three treasons. He, he'd be the fourth. Yep. He'd be the fourth yep he'd be the fourth um i definitely i hope we get it through danaris's point of view and i think especially to see like what she's finally set her eyes on if it really has hurt the throne you know finally that's gonna be very sad but i worry

we're gonna get it through john's pov i think there's a lot of ways that for me it could work if it's still in danny's like i said we had a lot of that withholding of the other kings etc getting it and um getting povs other rulers with the exception of i guess cer, if she ends up with anything. And for it to be Daenerys, I think, makes it unique, right? There's sort of a rule, but not really a rule, that George says he actually might start breaking to keep things interesting, makes it all up since people have kind of figured it out, that it feels as though POVs don't always die within their own chapters. So, I don't know, if Daenerys did,

I think that makes it really unique and impactful for her. I don't think... And it has to be impactful for this death to work. Yeah, and so Jaime, I don't think it should be through Jaime's point of view. I think that Jaime could absolutely be the aftermath, right? I think that Reds has a really good idea here of if Jamie ends up

finding that scene. Yeah, in the same space as Ned. And the roles reverse. I don't think it could happen that way so much, only because and, you know, this even puts into play something more interesting. What if, I mean, I think Jaime will be dead by then.

But what if it's Tyrion that comes across the scene and he plays the Jaime role? And what if this is after maybe she does imprison him and maybe he does end up betraying her or like get her to blow the city up and whisper in her ear as the devil in her shoulder, you know? What if when she ends up imprisoning him and he does come out or he isn't in person and does come out i don't know but what if it's him who's seen as like the person that's lost the city and he's the one that finds it instead like jamie's role it would just be interesting i think there's a lot of ways that we could remix it i fear that tyrian's gonna see a lot of important stuff since he's one of George's favorites so I guess we can't rule that out but I do think it's gonna be in either Jon or Dany's chapter. I would hope it's in Dany's but I think that he'll probably do it in Jon's. I think that

unfortunately a lot of people will be bummed about that too. Yeah I mean I would be pretty bummed if it came through Jon's instead of Daenerys'. I could see where he could pull both of them off, but he should do it through Dany's chapter. Like, put some respect on it. Yeah. Own up to it. If you're going to kill her off, George, you owe it to her to look her in the eye in her POV. I'm just saying. You know, Elionna, there might be a lot of things you and I don't agree on, but there's one thing we can agree on, which is Jon won't be endgame johnsa won't be endgame you know it'll never happen but i want to say

something controversial because i do that from time to time i'm like as i said it i could see your face go of course you do chloe of course you do interesting Interesting. While I don't believe Jonzo will be endgame, I think the connotations are there for it to be something they think about. Not like in a sexual manner. Not like in a super, oh, I love him way. I think that they will think about each other as sort of this longing for home.

And for Sansa, you know, it's somebody that's a real hero that's done some really heroic things and is true, is a person that protects, you know, the underdog. Jon is a good guy and he's grown up to be a good guy. And for Jon, it's the family that always rejected him and he could never be with that finally wants him and he'll have to say no to it.

Yeah, and the rationale of each of them finding in one another a home is i think the reason why i had thought back then that johnson would be a thing and it had less to do with again romance and more to do with as you said each of them finding winterfell in one another like him looking like the spitting image of ned and trying to live up to ned in many ways and for him sansa representing the winterfell he could never attain as a bastard and maybe to some like twisted way the sort of affirmation from catlin that he could never get but i'm i mean turns out the parallels that we also saw in their storyline there was a lot of really great character analysis about that, isn't about them ending up together. And I think I'm fine with that.

And I think it becomes much clearer now that it was less about that and more about paralleling the idea of leadership and rulership and what it means to be a Stark, just as we have very, very, very strong parallels of what it means to rule and leadership here in this very book, Dance, between Jon's storyline and Daenerys's. And there, I think a lot of, we talked about it recently in terms of his motivations for letting the wildlings through and things like that. And his language, right, of i need all of them as to why his storyline and denarius is absolutely ends up in a romance but i think i think you're right like obviously sansa and a marriage alliance as opposed to like necessarily a marriage right but an alliance is going to be on the table

through that route but it doesn't end up with that and um i'm fine with that i i was never like really super on it it was only a thing that i thought was interesting because of the character analysis and now we know what it really really meant yeah i mean because winterfell for john i mean being the lord of winterfell is his red door yes? It's that thing that he sees in his dreams that tells him you can't come here, that he's looking for. He's looking for this red door, and he can't have it in the end. He won't have Winterfell. It's every time he thinks and hears him and Rob in the yard slashing at each other with

swords and hears him say, I'm the Lord of Winterfell, and Robb say, no, you aren't. Like, every single, that feeling, that's the reason he can't, he won't have Winterfell. It's not for him in the end after he well, ruins the whole red door thing. They could have painted any door for her, I'm just saying.

But in her mind's eye, all the doors were red. She sees a red door and she wants to turn it black. Oh, there you say it. She wants to also turn it red. I was like, interesting. That song doesn't make much sense. And then we got this really nice review from our good friend Dallas, who, I love this opening line, says,

I'm pretty sure I accidentally left a Noticast review on the Girls Gone Canon podcast. Epic fail. What kind of millennial am I? I didn't see it. Did she delete it from there? Because I went to look and I could not find it. I don't know. So good for you, Dallas. Maybe. You're a good millennial, apparently.

I don't know. I... So I think that know. I. So I think that's pretty hilarious. But Dallas. Thank you so much for this. Review has called us the coolest nerds. She wishes she could have been friends with in high school. And has talked about.

Binging the John episodes. And the HDM. And the His Dark Materials episodes. Because she's behind. Same. Same. I'm behind on so many things. But... And then Dallas goes on to talk about random tangents

that call back to her own journey as a nerd child slash lover of books, including Neopets and fairy paint brushes. That was a private conversation she and I just had, actually, but it's okay. We can still talk about it. I'm here to talk about Neopets. I'm here to-

I won the fruit machine. I won the fruit machine. I'm so jealous. And I got a fairy brush and I sold it for like as many Neopoints as you- like 999,999 or something. It was great. It's fascinating to me that you didn't turn any of your Neopets into fairy Neopets. That's not a thing you chose.

Yep. That's what I chose. I'm a Slytherin, Eliana. And you were a fucking classic Hufflepuff. I was like, horde, horde, horde. I can't believe you didn't paint your Neopet like a fairy. Me, no, I sold that shit, bitch. Yeah, or I would just let it sit in there,

you know, be like, look at this, I own this. Like a fucking dragon with my horde yeah well you are a particularly good finder am i as a hopper that's true anyways as for the podcast itself these ladies have puns they have meta character insight thematic work they have both written treatises that have lives of their own makes it sound like i don't have a life of my own, though. But my work does. And that she's glad to be part of a fandom that has content creators like us. Thank you. If you guys have access still, or if you remember,

only true Girls Gone Canon fans will know that Dallas was actually on our only livestream we have ever done Girls Gone Canon hosted live stream which was removed because free Girls Gone Canon YouTube our YouTube account got shut down. We still don't know why. We kind of know why. We don't know though. Wasn't our fault. Free us.

We have a theory. We have a theory that they think you were impersonating yourself. Myself? Yeah. That is a theory free girls go on canon but but dallas was in that live stream so she was it was at ice and fire cod and dallas was there we had a really good time hanging out with her she says great things like dallas should just take the podcast she should have yeah she had really great insight uh on season 8 episode 3 reactions to it but Dallas are you a Sagittarius

we gotta know it's been a while we haven't asked people if they're a a Sagittarius a fire sign the third head of the dragon well thank you so much for the email Reds and from dallas with the itunes review eliana loves

getting itunes reviews and uh she also loves podcast comments pod i like pod bean comments itunes reviews i i kind of get anxious about i'm like uh-oh oh no what did we do what did we ruin today first it's baristan but for podbean i just think it's so funny it's so funny every time it's very weird i love it well let's jump into our lightning round we haven't done a lightning round in a hot second i'm like getting loose getting loose we just did an episode last week didn't we why are we acting like it's been so long it feels like you know what we did a lot of content in between so maybe it just feels like it's been a while it does so tyrian six dreaming of his own ghost as he drowns in the sorrows tyrian is dragged out of the river by john

connington and young griff is revealed to be aegon targaryen gasp who could have seen it coming to be honest i didn't but just as tyrian has started to fit in with these new rogues even spying for them he is kidnapped leaving a brothel denarius four a queen must do her duty and denarius is reminded of her

duty to marine by the green grace the lost lord i feel like i still have to do the hand gestures i don't know his hair blows in the wind he's lost without his silver prince he's doing it all for the grim and also rhaegar it's john connington in a main protagonist you know he is like i know and i love like i love john connington's chapters but sometimes you read them and you're just like oh my god this is like a telenovela settle down he's like sitting there and he's like the silver hair in the wind i'm like jesus christ but that is like

anime protagonist kind of like language and he has blue hair and young griff has blue eyes and all the blue hair is what makes you know blue eyes and all yeah the blue hair is what makes you know that's how you know he's like trunks you know i wrote it for you thank you like literally that one was for you i was like she'll like this because it's true um the wind blown a frog prince heads on a journey to woo a dragon queen. Woo woo. The wayward bride, married against her will in name, Asha lingers at Deepwood Mott, igniting flames of her past before the word and sword of battle reaches them. Tyrion 7. Tyrion arrives, a captor in Volantis brought by Jorah the Andal.

He's given counsel by the widow of the waterfront to seek Daenerys Targaryen and give her word of the city's need. Honestly, an iconic scene. Very good. Tell her. Yeah, we are waiting. Jon VI. After sending men on a raging, Jon works on his aggression out in the trading yard. First against his brothers, and then against the vicious... Rattleshirt? Rattleshirt?

Rattleshirt? Quote? Quote-unquote? Rattleshirt. He momentarily confuses Melisandre for a past flame. Ah! Ah! And she offers him help in saving his sister. Your sister. Only cat. Okay. When he heard the order, Sir Alistair's mouth twisted into a semblance of a smile, but his eyes remained as cold and hard as flint.

So the bastard boy sends me out to die. Die! Cried Mormont's raven. Die! Die! Die! You are not helping, John swatted the bird away the bastard boy is sending you out to range to find our foes and kill them if need be you're skilled with a blade you were master at arms here and at east watch so do you think that's foreshadowing that this opens up and the ravens just yelling about dying like we get it john dies at the end yeah yeah yeah though in retrospect i guess maybe it's about the rangers that do die

because what a couple of them we find out uh from alessandra towards the end of this chapter do and another three will but anyway i i also thought that the die die die might be about alice or thorn and i was like yeah i'm behind this i'm back i am backing this plan kill the thorn instead of kill the rabbit it's just kill alice the thorn pluck the thorn pluck the thorn um thorn says that he spent a third of his life teaching he's like how dare you make me participate in gym class when i've taught gym class all these years and diwin's like oh we'll teach you now then he says teach you how to wipe your high bone ass with leaves just like a proper ranger and everyone's laughing except for thorn and john i'm laughing yeah but john is still here like oh my god between

you and the raven he's just like none of you are helping no one's helping internally he's just screaming like why is this happening to me anyway so we touched on this a little bit last time but i do think that there is as much of a strong divide between the rangers i don't i don't know if some people like see them as jocks or not, but I don't really get that sense. But there's a divide between the rangers and those who have actually had to deal with imminent danger, many of whom align with Jon, having seen what Jon did to hold the wall against, you know, all of the wildlings and then a divide between them and these highborns many of who are pampered and haven't had to do any field work for

years like all Alistair Thorne did was antagonize all of the recruits who have to like guard his life now good job Alistair and like the people that Alistair Thorne liked and befriended were people like janos who never actually had to be trained so we've we've talked about this in the past but alicer is more concerned with what status than he is with loyalty or anything and i work in like a warehouse environment right a factory environment and it's very much so it feels like the corporate versus plant you know what i mean like this is very somebody that's coming from corporate that's never really had to actually go on the warehouse floor and do the job you know and that's kind of how it feels and they're all giving him shit which they should uh fuck alicer thorne but who hasn't had to wipe

their butt with leaves before, you know? Yeah, been there, sister. Been there. I've snowmobiled. Alistair Thorne is like, I get it. This is a trick. And if I refuse, you're going to kill me just like Janos. Like, I'll go and I'm going to fucking come back. I pray you do.

Jon would never count Sir Alistair Thorne amongst his friends, but he was still a brother. No one ever said you had to like your brothers. So what's interesting to me here is that Alistair is projecting onto Jon, because this situation right now where Jon is sending Alistair out, Alistair's reacting like, where Jon is sending Alistair out, Jon's like, well, I kind of have to because the guy's been here for a while, he's experienced and we're short on men. We literally need people to go out there. And Alcer, though, takes it as a death sentence because this is exactly the situation that he put John in a few chapters ago in Storm, where he sends John to treat with Mance. And he's like, but actually, you're not going to treat with him. You're going to try to assassinate him. It's a death sentence. And it's a death sentence and it's either john dies for doing that or john dies refusing because

he gets executed and called a traitor and so the only reason john the only reason allister thinks that john is pulling this kind of stunt is because that's what allister did yeah and also a well maybe if you dish it out you should be ready to take it. Sir Alistair Thorne. B, that's not what he's doing. Wipe your own butt. Wipe your own butt. I bet Alistair Thorne's the kind of guy who doesn't wipe his butt.

Ew. And, you know, like, he's seriously standing here being like, I can't believe I have to wipe my butt with leaves. He's not saying that. I'm exaggerating. But, like, this is literally what he does. Like, you have to do what they say because you fucked up. And now you're in the penal colony. Like, you refuse to bend the knee.

Actually, Robert gave you a chance. And you're so goddamn bloody, you know. Oh, I'm honorable. And something else I'm noticing here. No one ever said you had to like your brothers. Yes. That's some Stannis shit right there. It is some Stannis shit.

It's finally starting to show in the second half of the book just like in the last chapter we had him you know uh playing ball with the free folk i don't know the foreshadowing is so thick in these chapters especially when you're considering what you said that you know alicer is looking at this like a threat against his life of course everybody bands together to kill john it's also also, I think, a very Targaryen thing, and it's something that I've explored before, of how a lot of the way that the Starcher characterizes loving one another, whereas the unfortunate fact with the Targaryen family

is that, partially because some of them had bad parents, but you see that, I mean, Daenerys didn't quite... She did and she didn't, right? She might have daenerys didn't quite she didn't she didn't right she might have loved this series but she didn't like him and that's because she was a child independent on him you know yeah so i mean jon's about to be a targaryen he might not like his his aunt no he's gonna like his aunt the problem is you know it's not that he's gonna dislike his aunt he's gonna really really like his aunt yeah especially because that wild flavor she's got going on reminds him of val and egret like i like how george is like i'm going to explain how he's going to be attracted to her even if she's his aunt george is basically saying he has a type

also it happens to be his aunt that's not the type that we know of but here's sansa um john is ruminating on how hard it's going to be to send these people out but he also thinks they're seasoned they should be fine but benjamin was season. That's in the back of his mind, just waiting there. Benjen was season two. Diwin, Blackjack, Bulwer, and Kedge White-Eye will each lead a ranging, and they are actually excited for it. Diwin is super skilled. He's knowledgeable. Jon thinks Thorne is in better hands than he deserves.

Absolutely. There are three parties. Each have three men, and they each have a raven yep so after the rangers go off john and ed descend dollars ed is here too everyone and the cage goes so fast that sometimes they're actually in free fall ed decides to you know during the awkwardness of this elevator ride Share a story with John I mean, elevators are hard, what do you do, right? I had a frightening dream last night, my lord

Dolorous Ed confessed You were my steward, fetching my food and cleaning up my leavings I was lord commander with never a moment's peace John did not smile Your nightmare, my life Ugh, big mood. Really holding out for that Ed command. Can't wait.

It's gonna happen. Yeah, with the exception of John being his steward, you know, maybe, what if Ed has green dreams and this is it? What if Ed is a Zorahai? Ed Zorahai? Ed Zorahai. Ed Zorahai. Ed Zorahai. I mean, like I said, the sigil, they're the teeth made of dragon glass. That's the only interpretation for that sigil. Cotter Pike reports growing free folk numbers, but every time they are out in the open, they hide as soon as you see them. they are out in the open they hide as soon as you see them malister has seen night fires north of the gorge and they both ask for more men which john has none of since he's already sent them men

so i wanted to touch quickly on that line of the free folk hiding when they are seen or to not be seen right and i think you're seeing just just a smidge of something similar to what's going on in the sons of the harpy arc that daenerys is dealing with over in slaver's bay and marine both of these are george drawing on his his interest in the vietnam war he's spoken frequently about how the vietnam war was a culminating experience for his life and realizing where he stood on a lot of issues uh when it comes to whether some wars are just some are not right and i think he's not really making a statement on that in this moment but i think he's just drawing some inspiration on the whole like guerrilla warfare that was a really big deal and and played to the advantage of

vietnamese troops on the ground yeah and that was the first thing i thought of was it's very guerrilla it's very it made me think of the neck made me think of dorn um definitely made me think of what's going on with the trees with stannis kind of made me think of that as well so interesting yeah yeah so it's sprinkled throughout this book yeah i know a lot of different povs cutter pike had already sent 10 molestown wildlings to them oh wait no sorry john had already sent 10 molestown wildlings to cutter pike all of them are at least a little capable but cutter pike is displeased. They wanted actually real watchmen.

Just like, we don't fucking have that, okay? Yeah, no Rorschach here. They're all gone. The heroes are dead. Oh, that's the wrong series. What is this? Nauticast. John and Ed get out of the winch and they walk by Emmett from Nauticast podcast,

training in the yard. John thinks of the steel and he they walk by Emmett from Not A Cast podcast training in the yard. John thinks of the steel and he's reminded of Winterfell. The song of steel on steel woke a hunger in John. It reminded him of warmer simple days when he had been a boy at Winterfell matching blades with Rob under the watchful eye of Sir Roderick Casseel. Sir Roderick too had fallen, slain by Theon Turncloak and his Iron Men as he tried to retake Winterfell. The great stronghold of House Stark was a scorched desolation. All my memories

are poisoned. Very sad. When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire. Or your rule. Or the wall. Either or. Very strong. I either or very uh strong i'm the dragon knight i'm ryan red wine feelings here but sad and also reminds me of bram you know it's not gone it's broken like me um and of sansa thinking of winterfell and how she's stronger within the

walls of it this is this is hope them. This is their red door. Yeah. All my memories are poisoned. You can't think of the happy times without it. Love is poison. And I think we're going to see that at the end of the series for a lot of these characters. They're all going to be a little bit like Ned, right? Ned couldn't think of liana anymore

without his own memories being poisoned emmet stops training when he sees john asking how he can serve him john requests his three best which he gives aaron emmerich and jake are those my cats and my partner that's what that reminds me of it's aaron emmerich jake they fetch padding for john uh ringmail greaves gorget half helm and he fights against them he uses one of donald noy's last swords i love that and then requests they fight him three on one and they're like what the fuck yeah john like internally thinks about donald noy and this you know being one of the last ones he ever made it doesn't have an edge to it yet and i kind of wonder if that line of shame he didn't put in that should it maybe one of the last i wonder if this is like kind of about a person right i don't know if it's about like noise tutelage of john maybe it's about noi and the brathian sons i don't know yeah it could be some sort of metaphor

or i'm just reading too much into it possible possible i just really like donald noi yeah everything's a metaphor eliana uh corn code you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of sansa one in a storm of swords when she's walking with loris watching garland on the edge of a yard a lone knight with a pair of golden roses on his shield was holding off three foes even as they watched he caught one of them alongside the head knocking him senseless is that your brother sansa asked it is my lady said sir loris garland often trains against three men or even four in battle it is seldom against one he says so he likes to be prepared he must be very brave yeah i thought it was a good call to that for sure it is and i think that you're on to something here because not only is it similar to that, there's another line, right?

That's kind of in the reverse of like one of them is between Jon and Rob. One's the better sword, the other's the better lance. And Loras also says that regarding him and Garland. One is the better sword and the other is the better lance. I don't know what it means. One is better at jousting and tourneys. The other is better with like a sword in combat. Oh, you meant metaphorically.

I thought I also, sorry. I don't know. I was like um i can't believe you didn't know that yeah i was very confused i was like wow eliana you've been reading this for too long and you still don't know that um no i also thought of just a couple chapters ago the nod to sansa there too that she wished some hero would come and lop off Janos' head. Kind of a similar, you know, like, I think it's just hero talk and proving, like, hey, Jon is A, super heroically strong. Like, he is the Arthurian prince here. You know, he's out here.

He's, like, battling off three dudes at once. I get you, Jon. I do that all the time. It's hard. It's a hard life. Are you talking about you and the cats again? No. Shut the fuck up eliana wow that was a savage targaryen bird oh thank you john is like anyway when it comes to the three fighting he's like of course it's not fair to fight three on one just come fight me yourself it. It's never going to be fair, IRL. And then he proves his point, all while training against them at the same time.

And here's another thing that I feel like is an Easter egg, right? It doesn't mean anything big, but we have twins, right? Arun and Emric, they are twin brothers. And Jon thinks that they could be rangers one day. But there's this line in there of, he slashed at his head and shoulders right and left and right again. I'm just gonna say, like, they're twins, their names are reminiscent of Arik and Eriks, Arryn, Emric, a famous set of twins from the Dance of the Dragons who end up killing one another, being on opposite sides of of the dance but it's

also that those two are the namesake of twins that guard lady olena and we see them at the beginning of a storm of swords and she calls both of those twins left and right i'm probably reading too much into it but it feels like an easter egg it doesn't mean anything but no i think it's definitely a good catch like it's not just don't don't knock yourself on this because it's like it's just george's sandbox at play right like he's just reusing ideas he's already used i love when he does that i think it's something i do think it's something it's just like a i'm so funny elmo's grover tully absolutely right i thought this was great because john is reading their eye signals to each other

in this fight like it's really supposed to show us that john is serious business that's what this is about it's not like little metaphors for this that the biggest part of this is it's showing us how much he's grown at this point in a dance of dragons right i mean john feels like an old man right now like compared to the beginning of this book true and that means the cycle of his life is almost at a close you know wow okay he's warning them uh while he's watching their eye contact he's warning them about how the whites fight differently than humans and george is a great example of this in that fighting because he's showing like you said how john has grown he's using all of his

senses in fighting because he realizes now what it entails and it's a lot of thought because he realizes that emmerich is behind him since he just sees for a moment like a look of relief on aaron's face and that's how he knows like oh gotta turn around too yeah anyway rattleshirt is watching all of this yes rattleshirt quote unquote uh he's watching all of this and he and john start to go back and forth the big crow can peck the little crows growl the voice behind him but has he belly enough to fight a man rattleshirt was leaning against a wall A coarse stubble covered his sunken cheeks, and his thin brown hair was blowing across his little yellow eyes. You flatter yourself, John said. Aye, but I'd flatten you. John goes on from here to say Stannis burnt the wrong man,

but Rattleshirt grins and starts talking shit back to him and says, we all do what we have to do snow even kings burn the wrong man what does it mean chloe even kings what does it mean eliana what does it mean even kings do what they have to do even kings beyond the wall oh even even kings what is it what does it mean i don't you know the thing is is like he had to die to go into this hiding like people are like mance is alive and i'm like well i mean technically we don't know he's dead even though he probably is but he had to go into hiding as rattleshirt to live like him alive stannis would not allow for another king he would not suffer another king um him dying seals stannis is the Free Folk in alliance.

Honestly, I don't know if anyone would have allowed another king, right? No, yeah. It's a threat to their rule. Like, I... I kind of get it. Yeah. It doesn't... Yeah, anyway.

Jon commands Emmett to arm... To armor Rattleshirt in steel and not in bones. And in the steel armor, John seems to think that Rattleshirt actually stands a little bit taller, but decides, nah, it's the armor. It's the armor. You know, we know that it actually is because his bones and glamour is muted, right? With the armor on. Yeah. So it's funny that John's like, oh, the armor makes him taller because it does it brings him closer to life yeah i think it was just he was like oh the clothes make the man yeah oh wait it does you know that's that is the the

literal thing glamour yeah now that i think about it i see i see all right all right rattle shirt declines a shield preferring a two-handed sword. And this is definitely a flex because Jon frequently wields Longclaw, which is a bastard sword, which sometimes colloquially they say it's a hand and a half, since it's bigger than a longsword, but smaller than

a two-handed sword. And I think this sets the stage for what we're about to see with Jon and Rattleshirt? Yeah. Rattleshirt? Rattleshirt? They start to dance. sets the stage for what we're about to see with john and rattle shirt yeah rattle shirt they start to dance uh it turns out rattle shirts a pro at dancing yes rattle shirt john doesn't think he can keep it up for longer rattle shirt is stopping him blow after blow but john just keeps going his blows don't really seem to have an effect against this man and john is starting to sweat and he's like god i wish i fucking had long claw i shouldn't have tried to be impressive

i should have tried to be impressive but it is impressive because rattleshirt doesn't have a shield which means he has to either evade john's blows or just barrel through them but for the most part as we see rattleshirt's just dodging and evading and like this is really hard which i know from dark souls and trying to two-hand anything all right yeah you gotta know your dodges and i'm really bad at this game but i like it oh you're not bad at it dark souls is just hard anybody like that doesn't have a 20 like skill at video games is probably bad at that game it's not your fault just saying i'm good at the lore surprisingly yeah i like the lore of dark souls more than i

like the gameplay it's pretty to watch i know i like it i like uh killing imaginary things which maybe says a lot about me but This is an interesting fight, though. Can we just talk about how they are literally having a cockfight right now? Oh, they are. They're literally out there, and Jon's just like, oh, it's time. I'm going to beat the shit out of this little punk. But it turns out that Mance is under there, just like,

it's time. I'm going to beat the shit out of this little punk. Yeah. I mean, they're really excited to do this but we didn't know i mean even rattleshirt would have been excited to do it though yeah everyone wants to fight john though i know me too so when john finally gets a chance he takes rattleshirt down in his backswing rattleshirt somehow ends up on top of him and john's head is in his hand telling him that uh if he had a dagger john would be missing an eye the scene is lewd a little bit sexual i mean like

the first jamie and brienne fight scene right is sex they were making love that was making love it's literally sex yeah anyway throwing it out there. Horse and Iron Emmet drag Rattleshirt off Jon. And Jon tells him, well thought, he's spitting blood out of his mouth. And the men are all like, whoa, whoa, whoa, boss. Like, he threatened your life. Are you sure he's good to just let him go walk? And Jon's like, he has a dagger. If he wanted me dead, he would have been able to.

And LOL, foreshadowing, because if they want him dead, they would be able to and lol foreshadowing because if they want him dead they would be able to la mau daggers in the dark also knowing that it's man's like it just says so much here he gives him such a run for his money this is so it's just a great little action sequence somebody needs to absolutely yeah john john you know there was too much talking they needed they needed to spice it up with a little fighting every now and then yeah you know I know what boys like I love this line that Jon thinks next

there is always someone quicker and stronger Sir Roderick had once told Jon and oh this isn't Jon's thoughts there's always some you could still do it whatever there's always someone quicker and stronger, Sir Roderick had once told John and Rob.

Hmm. It is nice. It's actually a lesson for real life, to be honest. There's always going to be someone better than you. That's good. There's always something to strive for. Unless you're me. Yep.

Unless you're Chloe. Yep. Unless you're Chloe. Who else could take on two cats at once? Anyway, in the context of Sir Godry farting, right? I remember a few episodes ago, a few chapters ago, he challenges John and John refuses. So it's interesting that of all of them, this is the one that Jon accepts because we all already know that Sir Godry farting was a little shit. All right. He wasn't just farting.

He like straight up sharted and that it was never about Jon being afraid of his challenge. It is just that narratively Godry farting wasn't worthy. Whereas Ralshirt slash Mance is a worthy opponent in terms of skill we see that he does give john a run for his money right it was worth his time it was also very humiliating for john and this is the one that john chose to accept so it was never about like john being afraid because he accepted a match that he straight up lost okay he probably could have won against godry and by having john and mance be the ones to spar against another we see what is worthy here because like and hey maybe it's not good as john says at

the beginning of his storyline for bastards to hit princes but maybe it's perfectly fine here for two kings to hit one another well matched yeah and also john thinks like this is the kind of man that you want to face in the yard before the battlefield which makes me wonder who is it that john would face that is like mance in the battlefield and does is it even mance is he gonna have to fight mance again one day i don't know i don't know um yeah i mean i especially felt like that oncoming threat of the others and that thought of there's always someone quicker and stronger so i found that interesting too especially as we just saw john kick ass the whole first part of the chapter and then all of a sudden it's like oh no john's ass is kicked i don't know yeah i don't know clitus interrupts them though he's interrupting us right now with a letter uh john is hoping

the letter is from stannis but it's not it's sealed with pink wax this is john hoping hoping that the text is gonna be from stannis you up question mark yeah you up but it's just his mom being like, yo, did you take the trash out? Oh, wait, no, not his mom. Yeah, I was going to say, she dead. God damn it. God damn it.

I think he'd be pretty weirded out if he got a text from his mom. That'd be actually super exciting for him, too. He would probably be weirded out if he got a text. You know, this is all really hypothetical, but the only house that's flamboyant and ridiculous enough ridiculous enough to use like fuchsia and pink in their colors is bolton

like that's what john's thinking he sees the pink wax he's like fucking boltons oh absolutely and then the letter is signed by ramsey bolton lord of hornwood. Ugh. Get out. How dare you? I know. God, like, such disrespect. I love Danella Hornwood. Yeah. Signatures from Lord Dustin, Lady Kerwin, and four Riswells, and even a crudely, interestingly crudely drawn Giant of Umber. Yeah. I love that his signature is just the giant.

Yeah, that he just makes a little doodle. I'm gonna start drawing like sansa stark hope for the best i should start drawing i should draw a little bell was you should draw like a dog yeah a bell why that dog that's my signature uh emma asks what the letter says and john's like well may as well just tell them because they should know uh which is good that's a good play mo Moat Cailin is taken. Iron men are nailed along the King's Road. Roost summons all loyal Northmen to Barrowton to the throne.

Or fuck. Roost summons all loyal, all Northmen who are loyal to the throne to Barrowton. And he also wants them to celebrate the wedding of Ramsay and Arya Stark. Boo! Boo! Boo! Jon thinks, no, that is not possible. She died in King's Landing with father.

Or did she? It's interesting that everyone just assumed that. Yeah, because they just couldn't find her. And that's literally what Cersei wanted to happen. She's like, oh, she died. So many people died. She just died. And hopefully they think that too.

Well, I mean, what Cersei really wanted in an ideal world was to also have Arya. Yeah. Lord Snow? Clyde has peerated him closely with his dim pink eyes. Are you unwell? You seem. He's to marry Arya Stark my little sister Jon could almost see her in that moment long-faced and gawky all nabby knees and sharp elbows with

her dirty face and tangled hair they would wash the one and comb the other he did not doubt but he could not imagine Arya in a wedding gown nor nor Ramsay Bolton's bed. No matter how afraid she is, she will not show it. If he tries to lay a hand on her, she'll fight him. Aww. Hmm. Poor Jane. Won't someone think about Jane for a second? I know.

I mean, like, I'm thinking about it all the time, and I'm just like... I'm really worried for that girl. There's a lot to be worried about. And it's not even, like, the things that you worry about will happen to her we find out like that the worst things happen to her we talked extensively of course though about Jane in the Theon chapters preceding these but if anyone's memories of Winterfell are poisoned yeah it's Jane it's Jane Emmett asks how old Aria is trailing off. And John thinks 11.

But then he says that he has no sister. Only brothers. Only them. He thinks. He thinks. Lady Catelyn would have rejoiced to hear those words. He knew. That didn't make them any easier to say.

His fingers closed around the parchment would that they could crush ramsey bolton's throat as easily so it is interesting that for as much as john still fears catlin for the way that uh she she treated him growing up right they both have the same desire to choke the people who wronged them. This is what they go to. Catelyn wanted to strangle Cersei, and Jon wants to do so to Ramsay, but Catelyn ends up being robbed of this opportunity. And I think that Jon will be too. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And I was thinking about it. It better be Jane feeding him to the dogs. Look, I don't care if it was Sansa's show thing. I just want him to die by his dogs. I think that's a beautiful thing. I think that makes sense, right? If Jane does it, I don't know. I don't know if it will.

It probably won't be her at this point. But it just would be nice if his dogs eat him. That's all I want. I don't know if it would be Jane. I wonder if it would be, interestingly, this is a crazy tinfoil theory. I don't think I've come up with it. i think i might have read it somewhere else too it could be aria right actual aria comes in and she has seen if if the dogs eat him right she's seen poison from the way that we's died that would cause like one's own dogs. Like the basilisk venom? Yeah, the basilisk venom. That was it.

Yeah. I would love if that's where that comes in. A lot of people have theorized about it with King's Landing with Tyene and, like, feeding it to the cats. To Sir Pounce and Boots and Lady Whiskers. But with the dogs. Yeah. I like that. It's interesting and poignant in the Arya storylineria storyline maybe and she comes in as real aria

avenging jade uh clitus asks if john is going to resend a letter but he shakes his head and walks away his bruises begin to turn purple by night and he talks to the bird about it like he's just chatting with the bird going crazy and he's's like, well, they'll go yellow before they leave. I'm going to look like the Lord of Bones by the time my bruises leave. And the bird's just like, bones, bones, bones. And I'm like, you're going to die, John. What does it mean? Yeah.

It means that he and man's bone, what? They bone, bone, bone. But yeah, it means that they died. Yeah, they're going to die. He hears voices outside. Melisandre and her followers are praying by nightfire, with Stannis and the Queensmen gone. Melisandre's group is actually smaller.

The Molestown Free Folk, Guards from the King, and a dozen Black Brothers who converted to R'hllor. And Jon, again, can't help but think of Arya and then feel guilt. This passage where he's feeling that guilt reminds me of Ned. The line is actually, Dark dreams, he thought, feel guilt. This passage where he's feeling that guilt reminds me of Ned. The line is actually, dark dreams, he thought, and guilt. Very Ned-ly. It reminds me of two lines.

It reminds me of Eddard IX in A Game of Thrones. It beat down on Ned's head, warm as blood and relentless as old guilts about the rain. And in Eddard XV, when he thinks, he did not know which was more painful the waking or the sleeping when he slept he dreamed dark disturbing dreams of blood and broken promises so that especially was like as soon as i read dark dreams he thought in guilt i was like oh shit that's

eddard 15 this is like the eve of john dying almost you know it's know, it's similar. Yeah. It's similar. Very similar. It is. It's just extended because they had to pad the book a little to make room for the Berenice not to untangle. We've also spoken at length about this before, about how Jon is going to choose to protect, I guess, his Stark family over his Targaryen family. And as we see over and over throughout these chapters and this book that it's not just like his stark family that moves him to act right like he's tempted with ned and rob uh it's finally when it's aria that john it really eats him up and at the end of the book finally decides to take action but also because everyone who could

hold him back isn't there anymore he's like it's me all alone wilding out right well anxious sam's not here avan's not here i do what i want i do what i want exactly i set them all away i can eat ice cream for dinner, whatever. That's John right now. Anyway, so there's that. But also it's Arya, finally, that makes him really act. We have a bazillion chapters, including this one, of him thinking about Arya. And while we know that the love triangle between John, Arya, and Tyrion from the 1993 letter is no longer a part of the book series.

It seems that I think that romance actually got turned into whatever's going to happen between like John and Daenerys. It doesn't really mean anything or come through in the show, but allegedly the showrunners are like, yeah, Tyrion also feels romantically towards Daenerys. And that culminated in nothing. But I think that says to me that all of this stuff is something that ends up being part of the Daenerys romance and plotline. But anyways, it makes me think that maybe Arya is a big impetus or ends up threatened or something by Daenerys specifically, that becomes a big motivator for Jon's decisions at the end. Yeah, I mean, I initially thought he had traded it out for Sansa in general,

but I could see it being something regarding Arya. Maybe it's more he just traded it out for House Stark, you know, to be that threesome. I think it's House Stark in general. It's House Stark. It's a threesome with house stark and danny here uh and three's a crowd but sidebar to what you were saying about denarius and tyrian's feelings is that meta on how like men just sexualize women like and they just think they're in love with women and they're like oh i've been in love with her my boss this whole time like with tyrian and danny you know what I mean like we didn't notice it in the show maybe because it was just so natural and normal because that happens all the time I thought it was weird in the show and I think that is kind of what happens to an extent uh

it doesn't for Jon because he has had like more positive interactions but I think for Tyrion it might be part of that like that's just normal for Tyrion it's like any woman who shows me any positive feedback without me paying her well back to Arya I do think Arya is specifically

going to be big motivation for a lot of Jon's choices and I mean it's always been about her right like look back to a Game of Thrones for Jon. He's hopeless with a sword. My sister Arya could tear him apart. And she's not even ten. You know.

He's constantly thinking about her. And Arya too. Was thinking about him. Needle was Jon Snow's smile. He used to mess up my hair. And call me little sister. She remembered. And suddenly there were tears in her eyes Arya has to choose life over this wage of war that she's been brought into a death that she's currently choosing in the house of black

and white um she has to learn to choose life which Jon might be a big motivating factor for her in that and Jon's gonna have to come back and choose his family eventually or choose denarius or choose nothing like he's doing all the time already yeah i mean she was a big reason as to why he didn't kill egret yeah so in that moment he chose life for someone else because of aria anyway one day we'll get to those chapters. God, no we won't. He thinks that there's no way to save Arya because his vows forbid it. He hopes that Arya still has her needle.

She does. She does. But if she had tried to kill Ramsay, it could mean her life. And, hold on, I'm gonna throw this out there. Crazy. I do think Arya could take Ramsay. Just throwing it out there. He heads to the wall and walks in and calms down and breathes fresh air.

And ghosts has returned, following him through the yard. And out here on top of the wall, there's so much wind. There's so much winds of winter. He realizes that someone's behind him and for like a hot second he thinks it's Ygritte but it's Melisandre yes a hot second you heard that right

and then there's this passage when he turned he saw Ygritte she stood beneath the scorched stones of the lord commander's tower cloaked in darkness and in memory the light of the moon was's tower, cloaked in darkness and in memory. The light of the moon was in her hair, her hair red, kissed by fire. When he saw that, John's heart leapt into his mouth.

Ygritte, he said. The voice was Melisandre's. Surprise made him recoil from her. Lady Melisandre, he took a step backwards. I mistook you for someone else at night all robes are gray yet suddenly hearse were red he did not understand how he could have taken her for egret she was taller thinner older though the moonlight washed years from her face mist rose from her nostrils and pale hands naked to the night oh i, I love that. That whole passage. I love it.

It's really crazy because he smells Melisandre and he smells her and she smells warm, which earlier in A Storm of Swords, we read in John 11 that she smells red. The scent reminds him of Mikan's forge, of the way iron smells when red hot, that it was smoke and blood. Kissed by fire, he thought, remembering Ygritte.

Which all of this is totally just a bridge for Dany. Like, that's all this is. Smoke and blood. Red hot. I mean, there's no way that she's not going to smell like that, right? When she dismounts the dragons? Yeah. Yeah.

She's going to smell warm and like fire. Oh, that's interesting. I thought that was really cool. warm and like fire oh that's interesting i thought that was really cool i was like oh god yeah and then they're gonna be like oh god anyways he tells her john tells melisandre that she'll freeze out here and she's smart galaxy on him that i mean if that's what real or wants if he wants me to freeze then you know so be it i have no sister the words were knives what do you know of my heart priestess what do you know of my sister the words were knives is interesting phrasing that his denial of his family in this moment is a knife and because there's a lot of talk of daggers in this chapter and we know how this book ends with daggers in the dark

and you saying that kind of kicked me on the spur of the denial of his family in this moment is a knife what about later the denial of his family would it be a knife then too in someone's guts yep just putting it out there you said it

i actually wasn't even thinking about that but you're right it also reminds me of that line in aria 8 asos asos where she's talking to the ghost of high heart and there's that line from the ghost of high heart you're cruel to come to my hill cruel i gorged on grief at summer hall i need none of yours be gone from here dark heart be gone and i don't know why but it kind of just reminds me of that interaction with the what do you know of my heart priestess dark heart dark wings dark words oh my god melisandre tells him that she can help with his sister she goes what is her name this little sister that you do not have? Arya, his voice was hoarse.

My half-sister, truly. For you are bastard-born. I had not forgotten. I have seen your sister in my fires, fleeing from this marriage they have made for her. Coming here to you, a girl in grey on a dying horse. I have seen it plain as day. It has not happened yet but it will she gazed at ghost may i touch your wolf she like probably raises her eyebrows like 30 times before

she says wolf that's how i imagine it now i love that you that pause was very pregnant um she trying the thought made John uneasy. Best not. He will not harm me. Call him ghost, yes? Yes, but. Ghost. Melisandre made the word a song. The dire wolf padded toward her.

Wary, he stalked about her in his circle, sniffing. When she held out her hand, he smelled that, too. Then shoved his nose against her fingers. John let out a white breath. A, this is lewd. B, when dogs sniff your fingers and shove their face into it because they want pets, it's like the greatest sensation in the world. It's the greatest moment of acceptance that anyone can hope for.

This is like some behind-the-scenes content scenes content but literally me and eliana were walking around in her city when i visited her last and uh i encountered her and a dog i have it i will sell it i'll sell this content maybe we'll put it on patreon maybe this chapter and of course we just talked about the lightning round this is very wayward bride right yeah a girl fleeing her marriage i just think it's so interesting this is all the end of the book you have daenerys jumping on her dragon uh you have asha you have alice karstark you have fake aria um all very wayward bride very strong theme in this book even down to daenerys All very wayward bride. Very strong theme in this book, even down to Daenerys.

It's absolutely something that's going on throughout this book. It's interesting, all of this motif and how it's used. And you have Sansa also kind of fleeing from her marriage. She was doing that towards the beginning of the book. And by that, I mean not this book, I mean the previous one. They're one book for all intents and purposes, though. For all meta analysis and purposes. Honestly, Cersei's a trailblazer here.

Gonna throw it out there. You know? Yeah, yeah. Best way to flee your marriage, I guess, is orchestrate the death of your husband. Good to know. Yeah. She tells him that warm calls to warmth and her ruby glows at her neck like a third eye game recognize game grand i was thinking that i fucking hate you i'm so glad i'm so glad

that i could do this for all of us so bad game recognize game granddad and you're looking kind of unfamiliar right about now oh my god so ghost eyes actually look like Melisandre's ruby when the light catches them. I thought that was cool. She then tells him there's power in the wall, in his direwolf, and in him. The power was inside of you all along and this is Naruto. Oh my god.

You started it with the anime protagonist. Melisandre tells him to embrace the power including that of his wolf as she drapes her arm over him you had sirens in the background um god damn it she sends him a text at 3 a.m saying the lord of light and his wisdom made us male and female two parts of a greater whole in our joining there is power power to make life power to make light power to cast shadows she explains how shadows work the moon has kissed you and etched your shadow upon the ice 20 feet tall i love that yeah there's and of course like there's a lot of the

ways that shadow stands in for power and influence throughout this book so yes working from the shadows for instance uh yeah the giant casting his shadow yes a very small man anyway internally john's like oh word yeah the shadow is pretty big right now on this small true he remembers aria again on the gray horse and can feel mel's warmth and power but he decides being indebted to her isn't worth it he reiterates words from dala a wise amazing woman bless her uh and the adage of sorcery is a sword without a hilt yeah but then melisandre says a sword without a hilt is still a sword though and a sword is a fine thing to have when foes are all about like who hear me

now john snow nine crows flew into the white wood to find your foes for you three of them are dead they have not died yet but their death is out there waiting for them and they ride to meet it you sent them forth to be your eyes in the darkness but they will be eyeless when they return to you i have seen their pale dead faces in my flames empty sockets weeping blood the weeper and like we talked about last chapter with the trees there you go three boys. Oh. The weeper. She tells John that he has to believe her soon.

He only has to pay three lives. The cost of that belief will be three lives. A small price to pay for wisdom, some might say. But not one you had to pay. Yeah. And that's a running theme throughout these books right people paying a price for x

thing they're not always the ones who have to pay and i think that's what melisandre is kind of saying slightly here like you don't have to pay it interesting well he's gonna learn uh it reminds me of of course the treasons right three treasons you will know three lives that will be taken for yours um interesting yeah only death can pay for life right yeah until you know it's like she's saying it all catches up with you in the end and then she says you'll take my hand on that day and And in this moment, Melisandre's highlighter is out of this world. Also on her fingers. She's using all of her body glitter.

And then she offers her hand again to save his sister. And with all this talk of wayward brides throughout the story, this language of you'll take my hand kind of feels marriage-like. Yeah, absolutely. Especially, it's interesting to think that because then the next chapter is uh about well the next couple chapters have a lot to do with marriage in general right like with alice car start coming towards you all um interesting and what what does it mean when you make a deal with the devil bride of fire i think that's what she was saying I think she was saying we can make a shadow baby to take out Ramsey

I mean she can theoretically right we've seen her do it I do love that she says that like let's do that and Jon says no because we I feel like anybody that says yes to her is probably doomed if they make a shadow baby

with her yeah as you said it's a deal with the devil it's um there's still a price being paid as we see with the way that stannis looks he'd choke him though john wouldn't john's shadow baby wouldn't use a dagger maybe Dagger, maybe. Probably not. Probably not. Well, that was Jon VI. A lot of hints at the themes of this end of this book, what's going to happen with Jon. It's all over this stupid book. Like, all of A Dance with Dragons is just like,

oh, Jon's going to die. Oh, Jon's going to die. Oh, Jon's going to die. Yeah, it's a glamorous chapter too very glamorous absolutely uh there was even some mist around some gray mist yeah john's tempted a lot throughout this entire book and especially in this chapter and starts ramping up literally she is the temptress here coming to to him, boobs out, highlighter out. Yeah. Melisandre like came up to Jon Snow and she's like, snow on the field, time to plow.

Oh goddammit. She's watching him in the yard saying that. And he's like, I'm gonna just put some salt on it. Yeah, Jon's like, I'm not really into older women. Just kidding, he is. Ygritte is older than him.

Yep, that's why I said, yeah, well, I guess now he is. I'm off older women. Daenerys is younger than him. Yes. Right? Yes, he's born first. Yeah, like eight to nine months, according to George R.R. Martin. Just so that we can't call them twins.

Can't call them left and right. Okay, well, Eric and Daenerys or whatever their names are. Anyways, thank you so much for listening, you guys. We will be back next week with Jon 7 in A Dance with Dragons.

We're racing to the end very slowly, but we're getting there. So we're not racing to the end very slowly but we're getting there so we're not racing to the end you don't have to say that i mean i think well i mean you know the tortoise the tortoise was in the race and slow and steady wins it yeah wins it absolutely so we are slow and steady yeah the tortoise coming towards Jon's death. Wait, he dies? At the end. JK, it's not the end.

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