Girls Gone Canon Cast - GGC Minisode — GGC Explains It All

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

You asked (maybe), we answered (maybe) Mostly we yap https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/sf33ti/spoilers_main_the_grieving_sister_on_ashara/  The Grieving Sister: On Ashara Dayne's Fate by u/thegreykenzie --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to a Girls Gone Cannon mini-sode. Girls Gone Cannon presents... Girls. Girl's Gone Cannon presents. Girl's Gone Cannon explains it all. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I'm another one of your hosts, Aliana. I was telling my partner about us doing a minisoad and he went, mini-so? Like, you know, the like little store, like not a container store, you know, like Daiso,

but competitor of Daiso, mini-so. Mini-so or Daiso, sponsor us. Sponsor us. Hey, the new LaCroix is really good. Is it LaCroix? Sunshine, sponsor us. We exude sunshine. That's what I think of when I think of our brand Sunshine.

My God. We're here with a Minisoadode and you're not getting Daenerys 3 this week. Why is that? Well, Eliana, tell us why. We have this. It's, I guess, probably my fault. It's a mix. Okay, I didn't mean that. Well, we're trying to organize schedules and as you all know, our upcoming guest is Pym, who is just brilliant and incredible. And we're trying to figure out how to line up our schedules to be able to have her on to bring her wonderful thoughts to you. So that's part of it. Because also like all of us, you know, time zones, it's a real thing. We were talking about time, literal

time. We're in three different time zones. So we are trying to align that. It unfortunately really doesn't work unless it's on a weekend. So we're figuring that out right now. It might be a little delay with these episodes getting them out, but we're going to get them to you. And in the meantime, we're going to give you some more fun. Actually, we get amazing emails, comments, tweets, et cetera, from you guys all the time. It's a blast. Thank you so much for sharing your insights with us, your theories, even your pets, your animals, your families. Like, yeah, you guys send us some cool stuff. Yeah, yeah, it is really cool. Like, sometimes it's a little silly. Like I open stuff and I get a little moved. You guys

move me, man. Sometimes we don't always read these aloud because sometimes I think some things were meant for just us. But yeah, I honestly I am touched like people sometimes write in really nice stuff and really share I guess the way that you enjoy our series. So thank you. And I mean sometimes people bring us with them like for difficult times of their life. I know people who have had health stuff and listened to us during that time, so thanks. I hope you're well. It does mean a lot, because we go through it too.

Yeah, we go through it too together. So it's kind of cool that you guys share that with us. You're going through it, we're going through it, we're all going through it together. I'm fucking going through it. All the fucking time we're going through it. We're all going through it. I'm fucking going through it. All the fucking time we're going through it. Uhhh. Well, we're going to read comments, emails, tweets of note.

There are a couple that we might have mentioned in passing already on the cast, but there are some that we haven't really gotten to read and wanted to kind of go over them in depth, read or read a condensed version of them and chat about our thoughts on them. Yap. We love to yap. So this is just going to be like a casual yap episode. Oh, yap episode.

The yap episode. Mini-sewed. Mini-sew. We've been getting a lot of Spotify comments. We were just talking like, maybe Spotify is really driving this now. I think so. They're really pushing their comments because it wasn't, we don't get them often. Like we do get some, but I think it's like a buried feature.

So they're bringing it to the forefront. And on Denarius 5 and a Clash of Gangs, we got a ton of comments. If you are a Spotify listener and you want to leave a comment on the episode, pull out your phone that you're listening to it on. If you're on the phone in the app, you can leave a comment. If you're listening in browser or in computer app, I think you can do similar, but hook it up. You might get it read.

So we did get a comment from Tune World. Good name. It is a good name. I have to praise it because I feel very lonely in this podcast. Eliana brings up medieval fun time because it's the only thing she cares about in this entire world. It's the only thing I care about. Only thing. And I'm not partial to it because I'm partial to Game of Thrones birthday rap instead in

place of- The two genders. And Toon World said the two genders. Yeah, literally. High school throne's secret third thing? I don't know. Oh, it's my third gender, that's for sure. Toon World says, I have to thank Chloe for making me feel like less of a freak for thinking

about the Game of Thrones birthday rap while listening to these episodes and in general constantly. Thank you, because I also feel like less of a freak for you leaving this comment because like when I first watched it like a decade ago, I memorized it like in totality I memorized it specifically I memorized it because the denarius rap in it like just so that I knew how to that I could do it like Like I like a party trick, obviously. And then I got some of my other friends to also do it because I wouldn't shut up about it. So thank you.

Thank you for making me feel free again about the Game of Thrones birthday rap. I do remember this. I just like, you know, it didn't different things touch us in different ways. And for me, that was bad lip reading. And for you, it was the birthday rap You're like Denise Denise I'm like eating but I eat shrimps. I don't know why I love it Kind of like absurd I guess no, it's like one of those you know how like Like music even music you don't listen to now

But music from your youth that you used to listen to it could come on Like a jukebox and you could be like, oh, I know this by heart and you don't know why you still know it by heart. That's how it is. That's true. Yeah. Those are both two experiences of knowing by heart. Yeah.

So thank you Tune World for making Chloe feel a little less alone on this journey that we're all on. On this earth. We are all going through it. Thank you for that. Okay, we got kind of a serious one. Like this one's actually really smart. Yeah. A smart comment.

Gotta balance the humors from LF465. Oh, that's an L. I thought it could be a capital I, I don't know. Oh, okay, maybe if. If. 065. I don't know. Says, when the host mentioned that Danny's comment about a dragon being worth a third of the ships in the world, I agree with them that Danny wouldn't trade

her dragons. But she might be willing to trade herself, also one of the last dragons, you know, referring to Daenerys as the last dragon, in marriage for a fleet that Large, I think now that line might be more of a Dani slash Greyjoy alliance or marriage foreshadowing. Oh, and I almost wonder if we'll see something like Dani 3 ASOS, but with Euron in which like, maybe would Dani entertain the marriage and then pull a switch and bait? Yeah, that or that or Victarion. Like I just yeah, I think I'm more into the idea of it being Victarion than Euron. Like I know that there people feel that the Forsaken chapter foreshadows a Euron,

Daenerys alliance, but I'm not sure. There's also something really fun there, right, with like Victarion's not long for this world, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. He's dying in Tiwau. So like every guy that says they're going to marry her and then they die. And that's a really fun reputation. First of all, congrats. Good job, Dani.

Keep doing it. We're Dani could really heal the world. It's really yeah, there's that. It's kind of like what Red Widow? Black Widow. Yeah, Black Widow style. Like Red Widow, like she's coming over to Westeros and she has this reputation that every man that kisses her dies and. Well, like the Black Widow, but also was it?

Rowan. Yeah. Yeah. She's like Lady Rowan slash Rohan. I'm not used to saying Rowan now because of our friend, but um, Webber. Yeah, it's over. I just say Rohan. Yeah, you know, having all of those. So like that could be like really interesting if George was thinking about the line of Daenerys' story and sort of sandboxing with that character.

Yeah. Because sometimes he does that. It's kind of fun. Especially with playing with like the element of the Blackfires, right? And that being so crucial in Daenerys' plot as well with Aegon. I'm just like over just saying it's Young Griff and like, it's a Blackfire. What's the point? If he's not a Blackfire, what's the point here?

Just go ahead, it's Aegon Blackfire. We're just calling him that. I don't have time to play games. Well, I think Young Griff is kind of fun just because, you know, we were talking last episode, a proper episode about, yeah, rap names, like rapper names. Are you implying that this is not a proper episode? This is a proper episode, but the Asswaf episodes. As we said last, I mean, just like the historians might group the character episodes together

and they'll be confused when I'm discussing here, you know? Like- I'm worried about these historians. Can we choose them? The historians. Um, anyway. So- We don't even have a wiki.

No one cares. Literally no one cares. We even mentioned in a non-zero amount of wikis. Yeah, it's only a matter of time. Right? Anyways, so yeah. We have to die and then... Oh.

Oh, I don't... I don't know. Everybody gets famous after that, you know? Easy peasy. Let's do it. Make a pact. Oh god. Oh god!

No! I'm not doing a murder-suicide pact on the podcast, holy shit. Okay, well off the podcast. Oh god, oh god, no, I'm not doing a murder-suicide pact on the podcast, holy shit. Okay, well off the podcast. Oh god, uh, okay. So. Anyways, thank you for this comment, I do think like there's definitely, I guess I can see it with Victarion, it's just like for me logistically I feel like she will talk to him one time and then he will go bye bye.

I just think it's the most fun if it's like Victorian. Yeah. I just like and then understanding the time again, like when would she have the time for Euron? To kill him also, but in a different way. Yeah, exactly. So it's either the one thing or it's that thing again, but different. Or it could be, of course, it could be of course Yara when Yara comes

all the way across the world. Who's Yara? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Oh, new character! New old character. In the final hour. Wow.

Yara. Asha with a haircut. Yara. Yara. I know, legitimately that might be why they named her that. Anyways. Uh, shout out to this comment. Yes. Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Lilliana really went with it, committed to the bit. Derek said, definitely the best lightning round by far, baby. I really appreciate that. I appreciate someone who appreciates a lightning round, you know? Yeah, I appreciated that comment too,

because I went through a whole character arc during that lightning round of learning to use the word baby. It was good, I think it's good for you. It's a good exercise. That was a moment. We mentioned this in a A Swath episode previously, but I'm working very slowly. I'm putting all lightning rounds in a spreadsheet

and I'm like tagging what episode they were from. And then eventually I can sort them by like POV and we can read all of the uttered one and see what I did a bajillion times. Yeah, right? Like analytics and shit It's kind of like Sisyphus in a way too or like I don't know. Yeah, it is. A grand haute. Every week Every week I roll that rock up that big hill just for Eliana to throw it back down kick it What do you mean? Yeah, I appreciate it every single time. That's our love language the lightning rounds You you throw the ball down the hill and I have to go get it again

Oh, and then I do it again every week. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful balance I wonder what themes will find upon that though I wonder if there will be anything by date by like trajectory of date like oh During Davos Chloe was very into XYZ. Hmm, interesting. Curious. Yeah, I think we could definitely say that as we get later into, I don't know, there were some pretty unhinged early ones, but I think we just started getting way more creative, to an extent too, with the...

And by we, I mean you. Uh-uh. Yeah, I've gotten very unhinged as of late too. You found your artistic voice, if you will. Yeah, how do I translate this to my resume element? When I put this as? I'm going to need you to help me with that one. Oh my gosh.

How would you translate lightning round as a soft skill, folks? Please tell me in the comments. This is kind of a special email. We got this like a few years ago. This is from somebody who's been following us for a long time and I think we read some of this on air at one point. I didn't cross check it, but this is from our friend Tyler and Tyler said, resetting this email from last year because I saw your Patreon announcement, but I figured this time

I would get to add some animal photos. Yes. And tell you about how the guy I've been seeing the last six months talks about you, LMAO. So he listens to Girls Gone Cannon a lot when he sleeps and inevitably we come up, but his partner here never remembers the name and recently is calling us babes of ice and fire. But also we've been called Winter is Femme and a Clash of Queens by this boyfriend. So amazing, love that. And now we will read the previous email.

Yeah, precursor. Which I do remember reading this aloud on an episode because I was just so excited to see a mention of one of my previous podcasts that I did with some of our good friends back in the day when I was so young. I was young. Also, they recently reunited. If you guys are Maester Monthly fans, check out Sanrixian's stream with Dr. Professor Magician and Michael and Eliana. It was a really, it was actually a touching stream to watch, and Sanri did a beautiful piece of art, of digital art of you guys, as maesters, and very touching.

We'll have to put that in the episode bio on Patreon so you guys can check it out, but really touching. It's simultaneously recent and not recent, because when I think about how much time, it was during House of the Dragon season 2, which was last year. Everyone. Yeah. So it's from almost a year ago. much time. It was during House of the Dragon season 2, which was last year. Everyone. So it's from like almost a year ago. Isn't it going so fast now? I know. I hate being old. I know, right. But yeah, that was fun. I will also say Tyler did tell us a little bit about

The Babes of Ice and Fire in another place, I think also on Patreon. So that tickled me to see it a couple of times. And Tyler says, long time listener here, currently listening to your coverage of the Mystery Night and damn, y'all talking about your anniversaries making me emotional. Blowing nose emoji. I remember first discovering Eliana from Maester Monthly back in the day. Rip, truly. And seeing in my YouTube feed a video called Drunk and Egg, I got so excited. La-mao. Finally, someone was bringing together- that's so interesting. You say El-a-mao, I I say LaMau. These are also the two genders. Finally, someone was bringing together Wine and Westrose. Thank you, Chloe. And it had Last Table Girl. That episode remains one of my favorite podcasts of all time. It's pure gold and absolutely hilarious. We don't know what happened in that

episode. I have no clue what happened, but I just know that the next day I woke up married. Yeah, all I remember is talking about the tourney as Coachella and then I remember the part when we weren't recording and were gossiping and drunk. Absolutely, we were drunkenly gossiping for at least four hours after the four hours we recorded. Yeah. And also just to top it off like the other recording as well. Yeah, there was also a prior recording. So if you don't know the deep lore, there was a recording with two of our good friends that we started. I had a very ambitious take. Okay, we're really rewinding, but this is what this episode's all about. It goes on yapping. So there was a little podcast called Drunk, A Song of Ice and Fire History back in the day. It has been on hiatus for about seven years due to me having a podcast

with Eliana. And also like, it's not very responsible of me to have because it's not good for my health or who I am as a person to do a consistent podcast where alcohol is involved. Like on that level, it's just not like I'm not young anymore. Yeah, not in my early 20s anymore. It was cute. Yeah. Yeah. When I was like in my 20s, I thought I could do anything.

And now I'm like, okay, I guess that's not a healthy way to position my alcohol consumption. So but the whole point of it was that like at conventions or at events when people had maybe had a few drinks to do like a drunk history style interview with them and like chat about their favorite things in A-SWF or in the history of a song by some fire. So like it could always make a comeback. You just never know. I've been thinking of it, but there could be there could be a drunk A. Swaff history renaissance someday.

But Drunken Egg was one of my big concepts I really wanted to do. And I thought that maybe having four drunk people on a podcast was a good idea and that we could do the hedge night in one go with four people. We got maybe like 20% of the way into the story and it was like a four hour episode and I had to leave halfway through because I had like a social engagement. Yeah. And then it was just three of us and it was just it was not right.

It was one of those things that like I left it on the cutting floor. I said I'll figure it out and then Eliana and I talked and I was like, do you want to try this together? Like just just us? Like do you want to take it official? Like just me and you and we did. And it was like one of the best days it led to a very fruitful friendship that I have appreciated for a very long time. And I love you and whatever. But yeah, it led to this shit. From that first drunken egg recording of which we will, we are respecting the privacy of our friends, but two relationships came out of that. Yeah, two relationships came out of that.

Two relationships came out of that. Yeah, because the other two got together. And yeah, in fact fact that was why that episode didn't come out because they spent the entire rest of those two hours flirting. Anyways, so we were like, we're gonna flirt on her own. So to give you the lore behind this podcast that you like Tyler, Tyler says that episode remains one of my favorite podcasts of all time.

It's pure gold. That's great. That's so hilarious. You guys have such a good connection and you can see the friendship bloom. It's beautiful. I remember tweeting at y'all in 2017 before Girls Gone Cannon asked me

about Sworn Sword coverage. Oh, gee, Stan. I remember that because I used to also do crazy, drunk ass whop polls on Twitter, like about Rhaegar's dick and shit, like I was just being funny. I was always out there. Should we like, okay, random thing, please, this is not a binding agreement to anyone this thing.

Should we like consider something, I guess, like sober and active joking, but like for A Night of the Seven Kingdoms? I thought we already were. Oh, I mean, we're covering it. It's like sober and I'm joking but like for a Night of the Seven Kingdoms? I thought we already were doing like an episode a week for that. I mean we're covering it but I'm just like your format. Oh interesting. Hmm. Hmm.

We're just spitballing here. On main. So. There could be something there. We could be workshopping something, you know, like it's about time. Time's up. No, it's about time.

Oh God. Um, D and all these things. Time's up, time's up, time's up. Maybe, maybe Drunken Egg returns. You just never know. Or Drunken Egg Renaissance. Drunk Ass. I mean, it is a prequel.

It is a history. Oh, we could always, I mean, it is a prequel. It is a history. Oh, we could always... I mean, that's what Unleash the D is for. But more of a tipsy history because, again, older livers. Unleash the D, Drunken Egg. There's something there to play with. Oh my god, it has like multiple titles, like multiple subtitles as it goes. Tyler says, congrats on your almost five year anniversary. LMAO. Girl, we're old now.

It's like seven going on eight next. Wow. Damn. Right. No, it's eight. No, it's seven. No, it's eight. No, it's seven. I mean, Drunken Egg is eight. Drunken Egg is eight. We started in 2018. I mean, Drunken Egg is eight. Drunken Egg is eight. We started in 2018. Yeah, but Drunken Egg is eight. Yeah. Drunken Egg was 2017. Yeah. Wow. Thank you so much for the consistent coverage of Aeswaf.

Ironic. Loosely. Always providing excellent analysis and including a very wide range of viewpoint that helps us all see the books in new ways. The guests you have on honored always incredibly interesting. Agreed. That's true. They're amazing. You guys are absolutely crushing it.

Wow. Oh my god, I'm blushing. Cheers to many more years. Wine glass emoji, egg in the frying pan emoji, which were the original drunken egg emojis used all over social media. Sincerely, Tyler. Commence the animal pics. Thank you for the animal pictures. They're amazing.

You all should be jealous that you don't see these. I love them. He is a real stan. Like using the emojis. Yeah. The emojis. Deep cuts. Deep cut.

Thank you, Tyler. That just made me feel so good. I love Aeswaf. What the fuck? I love Aeswaf. What the fuck? I love Aeswaf now. Oh my god. I love these animal pics. There's like a variety. These are very big though. I have to figure out how to make them less big in my screen. I'm like this is all dog tongue. The dog tongue. So to describe to you all what we're seeing as an accessible podcast,

there are three dogs. There is one in the upper left. These are the three genders. Holy shit. In the upper left, there is a beautiful black dog with a splotch of white on his chest and his tongue is out. It's flopped out. He's so cute, his little

black ears are turned over, his tail's side there. The next dog is like black with more white splotches. I don't know dogs, so like, I mean I know some but like I just don't know what you are, but you're beautiful is what this dog is. His big pink tongue is also out. And then the third dog, oh my god, so cute, little bit of brown, little hints of brown in this splotch of dark brown and black and white fur. Very cute, brown eyes, kind of looking off like oh my god, one brain cell

between all of us, passing it back and forth. Yeah, so really good, and this is the kind of dopamine that gets me through the day. We also, there are also a couple of cat photos included as well. I realized upon zooming out that one of these is a fuzzy blanket. Not actually an animal. Did you see the picture of the cat and the dog together? Did you see that one?

Yes, yes. So there's that one. And there's also one with the cat holding hands with perhaps Yeah, the photographer. Holding paws. Yes. I love when cats hold paws with you. Yeah. And then the dog at the blanket. I love when any animal holds paws with me, honestly. Honestly, I went to a party last night and they started talking about, everyone was talking about their animals and I was like, man I want to go home and see my cats. Like within seven minutes, I was like, I want to go hang out with my cats. It was a good party though. I just missed the cats. I love cats. Love your cats. Love your dogs.

Send them to us. Please. We want to see your cats and dogs and your turtles and whatever else you got really. And your family members. You take what you got. Your pet family members. I really like this Blue Sky post that we got from Richard of House York over at Blue Sky who said, listening to Girls Gone Cannon, Thistle has convinced me the two most important things Miriam Asdur says are, me the two most important things Miriam Asdur says are it's not a matter of horses, obviously, for bringing back someone from the dead and death is cleaner. Oh, I love that because isn't it sad? Like Lady Stoneheart is more sad than she is horrible to me. Yeah, you know, the terror and the horror is that it's sad.

It's devastating. This is what has personified and come back. Like death is cleaner. Drogo, that wasn't right. Yeah, or even like, I guess, especially if someone takes over your body, right? Which is part of what Thistle was trying to fight against and wanting to not be brought back. Is it you, right? And what scenario is it still you? and wanting to not be brought back. Is it you, right?

In what scenario is it still you? I guess it's like a Theseus' ship in some aspects, but. Yeah, that's true. I am looking forward to the Lady Stoneheart storyline. Yeah. I mean, I'm obviously looking forward to all the storylines, and every now and then you'll hear me say some of the ones I'm most interested in.

Often you'll catch Eliana looking off into the distance. A bit of yearning in her eyes. John Connington. Yeah, yes. John Connington. Oh my god. Thank you, Richard. Love this.

Way to bring the tone down, you know? Jesus. Buzzkill, Richard. I'm sad now. Just think about Lady Stoneheart. I don't know. She's on the mind. Same age. It's just like, she's Lady Stoneheart. I don't know. She's on the mind. Same age. She's just like me. Just a girl.

Karen commented on Aria 5 and A Game of Thrones, taking them all back, episode 197 many episodes ago, and she said about Ned's suit with the sigil done in pearls. Tom and Leder wear something similar in Aria 3. Sansa's maiden's cloak at her wedding is also decorated with pearls. Same seamstress employed by Cersei. That's a really good catch and I think you're right, right? Especially like the Sansa 2 in Asos with the dress. I'm pretty sure there were some pearls with the dress. I mean it's a similar seamstress and Cersei does control the means of dress production

in this city. Yeah. I mean maybe that's the favorite, right? Like obviously people want to go to the Queen's seamstress, so I really like that idea. I don't know why though, it made me think of you were talking about yesterday on brunch, a guitar that you have that is inlaid with pearls. Ooh, pearl inlay. I love, okay, so something that the kids are doing

in the Hot D fandom, you know, they're really about Luceris and him being Luceris Targaryen, Rhaenyra's middle child that, you know, gets yeeted by Vhagar. So Luke, they really like love relating him with Pearl or like giving him a nickname with Pearl or like the Pearl of the kingdom or whatever. I don't know what the fuck they call him, but like something like that. Sorry to disrespect your culture, hot D children.

But they like to play with that, though. So it makes me think of him and Pearl and like pairing him with like Pearl accessories because of his uh you know Valerian stuff like getting to be the Valerian-air. Oh yeah, that's nice. Kinda cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, some nautical, nautical imagery. Nautical. Yes. I like that, yeah. I would love more of that. Like Pearl, the SpongeBob. Yeah. Hmm, or Pearl and Steven Universe. Oh yeah, true. True. Both different. So true.

Same. Love this though. This is such a thoughtful observation. I didn't even think about it. Good connection. So for episode 191, wow, again, carrying out here with these deep cuts are... Mid cuts? Mid cuts, yeah, I don't know.

This is from A Feast for Crows, The Drowned Man, so this was during our Aaron coverage, which was like, not exactly, but it was a similar time period as I guess the artist stuff. Aaron 2, if you will. Karen asks, was that a Stars reference? That's 615 Stars being the band. Stars, the band band indie rock band from canada.

I would definitely recommend you start counting how many times your ex lover is dead as you get to denier's. I hope when you catch up with this episode, you're like, oh, they kept doing it. Because I think we do that a lot. It was a stars reference. Like we always we often quote your ex lover is dead. Yeah, we do, we do. I don't know what it is, but I do like stars.

It just works for the story. I'm a dead hearts girl, dead hearts. Also like dead hearts, if you do listen to it, it's very like good as a Doctor Who track in my head. Like I put Doctor Who against that shit a lot, specifically for those listening that like Doctor Who. Dead Hearts by Stars is basically an Amy Rory Doctor kind of song. So highly rec, it'll change your life listening to it with that in mind.

It'll break your heart. Enjoy. Enjoy. Well, we got once again another skeet, another comment on Blue Sky. That's what I don't even know if people are still calling them that. I'm sorry, I haven't been on Blue Sky. It was like unofficial, I guess, and like pretty much almost immediately everybody shut down that it's not called skeeting.

And that made the website that much less cool. Like I had so much more fun on Blue Sky when we were calling it skeeting. When you posted, I still want to call it skeeting. I'm still calling it skeeting. Wow. Yeah. So you can see how behind I am on the times by calling it that. Yeah, it's over. That's why I called it a post earlier. I'd rather die though. Our friend Patrick Sponoggle, aka Pacman. Oh, Patrick. Also another long-time listener of Girls Con Canon, he goes way back as well, said, just wanted to chime in

that I support Eliana's pronunciation of the Carthian Warlock as Piat Pree as opposed to Piat Pree. No judgment on those who pronounce Piat differently than me. Three generations of Spinaugles pronounce our last name differently. Wow, interesting, because I'm like using the way that I understand like Pat pronounces his last name and now I just want to know what the other pronunciations of his last name are. I can't even. I'm very curious about that. Huh. Should I theorize?

Sponagol. Sponagol, yeah, that's gotta be one. Sponagol was what I was thinking. Sponagol, Sponagol, Sponagol. Sponagol. Yeah, that's gotta be one. Sponagol was what I was thinking. Spinagol. Sponagol, Sponagol, Sponagol. Spugliato. Sponagli. With Prosecco.

Ooh, stunning. And someone, someone told Pat that Rogue, in regards to his pronunciation, and Pat goes 1% relevance. I don't know what that means. Again, I'm fucking out of it. I'm glad that you have support for your crimes. Thank you. I don't, I'm surprised other people actually, I thought everyone was saying it that way.

Is that the way that they said in the show, Piat? I don't know, I guess, but like Piat Pree, I say it Piat Pree, mostly because of the Game of Thrones birthday rap. They say Piat Pree, I say it Piat Pree mostly because of the Game of Thrones birthday rap. So yeah, the line is she says like, Piat Pree, you better come at me with more than a manticore if you had a bat me. I think Piat and Piat are kind of like the same thing. It's just like a slightly different, you know, thing on the A. Also, yeah. Also, like everybody in America has a regional accent. Yeah. Like I say accent because I have a Midwest A in there.

Yeah, I just use the, you know, shorter A sound, whatever. But like, yeah, I think the big difference is whether it's piat or piet for many people. Fascinating. Thanks, Pat. Piat. Piat. Piatric. Piat. Oh my god, no, you're not like that. Unless you want to be. Maybe, maybe he is a little warlock. Maybe. I think he runs that orca count. We had a comment from Christina a few months ago on Jamie 1, a dubbida, episode 96. Just wanted to say that, that's really crazy. And Christina said regarding Jamie songs,

listen to The Things We Do for Love by 10CC, which I did. And I love that, I need to put it on my playlist actually. It's a single from 1976, but it's perfect. And I will quote you my favorite lyrics. Too many broken hearts have fallen in the river. Too many lonely souls have drifted out to sea. You lay your bets and then you pay the price. The things we do for love. The things we do for love. Yeah, that's for real. That's for real Jamie song. Yeah, I like it. The song also standing alone, regardless of the Jamie. Yeah. All right. It's a solid one.

Also, the fact that like some of these comments that we've read a lot on these episodes, they're just kind of fun as well, considering that they are. It gives you a sense of where people are on their journey as they are making their way through our catalog of episodes right now. It's just kind of cool. Because this is one from three months ago, but the Jamie episodes are from 2020. Man, 2020. Yeah.

Who the fuck were we? We were people who were going through a pandemic. That's who we were. We got an email from our good friend Lo. Is it an episode though? This would not be a complete episode without a Lo message and I love that Lo also messaged us I think also specifically for this. So Lo said that they have been reading an amazing book they want to recommend.

So listen up everyone. Partly because we and you might like it, partly because it's interesting especially in comparison to Dani's chapters, and maybe some of you have read it so tell us, shout out if you have but Lo was looking for some books to read and came across Sorrowland by Rivers Solomon and it explores themes about white supremacy, cis-heteropatriarchy, and oppression in general. It's a gothic fantasy story and the summary that Lowe found online says, Verne, seven months pregnant and desperate to escape the strict religious compound where she was raised, flees for the shelter of the woods. There she gives birth to twins and plans to raise

them far from the influence of the outside world. Even in the forest, Vern is a hunted woman. Forced to fight back against the community that refuses to let her go, she unleashes incredible brutality far beyond what a person should be capable of, her body wracked by inexplicable and uncanny changes. To understand her metamorphosis and protect her small family, Vern has to face the past and, more troublingly, the future, outside the woods.

Finding the truth will mean uncovering the secrets of the compound she fled, but also the violent history in America that produced it. River Solomon's Sorrowland is a genre-bending work of gothic fiction. Here monsters aren't just individuals, but entire nations. This is a searing, seminal book that marks the arrival of a bold, unignorable voice in American fiction. I really cannot recommend this book enough. Some parts of it resonate with themes in A.S.W.A.F. patriarchy, motherhood, systemic oppression, but it's also clear this book is written by a queer black author. It interrogates these themes in ways that for me,

George R.R. Martin just doesn't manage. Want wanted to recommend it if you all wanted to read a book that delves into these topics. Interesting. I love like the kind of sci-fi fantastical metamorphosis too. Yeah, so it's kind of funny because now I'm starting to think like, yeah, okay, this is low you're the second person to have recommended this book to me because another friend of mine who does actually have a lot of overlap between your and my taste, Chloe, but she's just someone that I know from life, from work and stuff, and is now my friend. So we were watching Desperate Housewives together and she recommended this exact book to me as well. Not as strong of a recommendation as Lo's, like in terms of like, you know, she was doing it off the cuff, right? But I really love the way that Lo has broken this down, really sounds compelling. Definitely going to check this out now. Yeah, also Rivers Solomon

has also done a couple of other books like The Deep and An Unkindness of Ghosts that I've heard really great things about. So I'm curious about their stories. Yeah, Lowe knows how to sell a story to me. So yeah. And also if you check out River Solomon's website, there's this great intro. It's like River Solomon is half woman, half boy, part beast and a refugee of the transatlantic slave trade. Nice. I'm like, huh? Nice. Very ferocious. Well, not nice. No, not great.

These things have happened. Right. But what a line. What a punch. Yeah. A punch intro. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you, Lo, for the recommendation. What are you reading right now, Eliana, in total? Me? You and I discussed this. The whole family, as in you, me, and your roommate, are all reading Pynchon novels, I guess, right now. I'm in the middle of the crying of lot 49, but I'm also, so I'm like a lunatic person who like-

I juggle. Yeah, I read multiple books at the same time, and it also depends, because I don't have like, I don't know, a lamp, so like if I'm reading in bed, it'll be likely an ebook, an Eliana book. No, not written by me. Same, I do a lot of Eliana books. Yeah, so I'm also reading America's in the Heart by Carlos Bulo San, which is a Filipino-American novel. Something to know about me is if I can avoid it, sometimes I like, I think what Lo has given here is just enough. Because you know me, Chloe, I like to try and go into some things very blind and like let the journey of the book sort of, or not just book story take me. Like I recently watched

Mickey 17. I did not know anything about that movie. And it was like, apparently some people knew some mechanics of it from the trailer. I hadn't even watched a trailer. All I knew was like aspirational troll Robert Pattinson was in it. And yes, he's like my troll hero or one of them. I was like, I could not have predicted any part of this movie. So anyways, I'm reading Carlos Bullo's son. America's in the Heart, and

The Crying A Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon. What are you reading right now, Chloe? You're reading a Pynchon also, right? Or did you finish? Oh no, dear. So I'm reading Gravity's Rainbow for the first time. I've read Inherent Vice from Pynchon already, so my current Pynchon is my roommate's favorite book, so it's a little daunting because it's batshit insane but in the best way. I am only like 6% in, and I'm taking it very like a little bit at a time, but it is pretty big too. I think it's like 800 or so pages.

Not like huge, but you know, it's enough that like I read a handful of pages and I'm like, okay, that was good. I'll come back. But I'm also reading, well, I just finished a reread of the first Magicians novel, which I have read, and I'm in the middle of the second one, which I started but didn't finish, and I'm then going to read the third of the trilogy, and I really rather like them. I just needed to like catapult myself through with some, you know, I had read the first one,

I remembered it very well, it's been a few years. And I just never finished that second one. So I just needed some inertia to get me through. And then I'm also reading because I'm insane, just like you, I'm like very like, it depends on my mood, right? Like I need something for each mood. Like Gravity's Rainbow is one that's a specific mood.

You have to be in the right mood to read that. And then I have, The Magicians is kind of an easier read in some ways, it helps me get through. I'm almost finished with The Left Hand of Darkness from Ursula. Oh, okay. That's on my list, yeah. Yeah, I love that. And I'm also finishing Eat a Peach by David Chang

because I got 70% through and then I never came back. Oh my god, it's peach season. So yeah, I'm reading four books. Yeah, Stone Fruit, baby. Yeah, there's some good peaches for me lately. Oh, I also just finished Murderbot, which I think the show, I don't know if it's ongoing still or did they drop it all at once? I don't know. It's on Apple TV right now. I haven't watched it at all yet. It's gotta be good because all they have is money. I don't know what they're doing at Apple, but they just like use money to wipe their buttholes. I know that like some things seem like they're portrayed a little differently in the show

versus the book. Like not terribly, and maybe like as the series goes on, maybe what they're showing of like the motivation of this Murderbot is like more accurate to the whole series. I've only read the first book, which is very very very brief. It was a fun little little romp. Yeah, Left Hand of Darkness. Yeah, I gotta get, I gotta read the second of the, what was it, Earthsea books too. Yeah, two and four are my favorite, The Clash and the Feast of Earthsea. Yeah. I can't wait for you to read the fourth one. Tehanu is like one of the best books of all time. I cried. I was in an airport like crying reading it. It's like amazing. Ursula, I love you so much. I would protect you from anything in the afterlife. I was like, is she alive? Yeah, somewhere, just not here.

I was like, is she alive? Yeah, somewhere, just not here. Word, word. Someone else has her spark now. What a woman. So we have another email from our friend Will. Will sends us emails once in a while. We talk about Will sometimes, I think, on air too. We've read some emails of Will's, but I really liked this.

So just condensing it down is an interesting kind of observation that he's making on Melisandre. This is during Dany's, this is a recent email. Melisandre's on Dragonstone and obsessing over Azor Ahai, right? Probably Jon or Dany, one of the two. Wills theory is that Mel's visions of Azor Ahai are real but symbolic, mostly showing Jon and she's misreading them, right? Jon's fire killing equals lightbringer. And she backs Stannis instead. Once she meets Jon, her visions shift and she sees only Snow. She also sees Jon and Dany together, but doesn't

recognize them at first. She'll follow Wolf's visions back to Jon, Resurrection, and then see Jon and Dany and decide that Dany must be Azor Ahai and retcon her old visions. Interesting, I like that idea of Melisandre changing her position so much because of what we know about her interpretations. So Will highlights on reread watch out for some of these Jon and Dany moments that Mel might see symbolically. Jon and Dany alone in the wilderness, Frostfangs in the desert nice doomed romances with some of the locals

They meet like Ygritte and Dario John meeting Mance's court and Danny meeting Karth John with Stannis's court versus Danny and Marine courtiers plotting against them seizures the wall and then the armies below and John going into Ghost and Wilderness after death and Dani going into the Wilderness after the fighting pit. So that's another good one. I love this.

I definitely do think so, especially because you have like those dragons, the dragons in air passionately like fighting and then fucking and whirling and whatever, you know, clawing. Yeah, I think this is a really fun idea of seeing them symbolically, and I like that observation. Will has also written to us about other Melisandre ideas as well that are fun, including one that dives deeply into Code Geass, which I haven't watched yet. I know it's like one of the animes to watch, you know, especially when it comes to anti heroes and stuff. I used to watch that a long time ago. Code Geass. I know it's also...

Yeah. What studio? It's like an Exiled Prince is like the main character living like, you know, secretly. It's kind of like it has a lot of that, you're right, it has that drama. Yeah. It's kind of like it has a lot of that you're right. It has that drama. Yeah tragic drama Cuz it's like what the best part of a swath like is that kind of tragic drama like the Regaar-Leonis it the John Danny stuff like all of that is supposed to be like moving in the end. I hope It's a it's a fun. I hope it's fun. I think I I would like to. Oh, I meant code yes, I hear. So I'm excited

to watch it one day. I just like need to sit down because otherwise, you know, it's one of those things where I'm in no, I'm going to start it. And because I'm a sub person, then it's gonna become my whole life as well for like, yeah, that's things done, which is probably not that long. But I'm like, we're gonna binge it. I'm sorry, there's just like, we have to binge it. So yeah, thank you for all of these emails, Will and Andrew, your analysis. There we go. Also, I think it's only like 25 episodes, so.

Yeah, but that's still like, that's like for 13 hours, right? That I have to be like, this is my whole life now. Yeah. You know, like. We have to, yeah. I get this, I get this. Much to figure out here.

Yeah. Okay, so we got this a while back and I've actually read this. Yeah, I remember this. And I read the full written out theory. So I will link you guys the theory as well. This was posted on Reddit too, eventually, so I really love this. And as you know, I don't say that very

lightly about theories that regard a certain character that I really love. I don't often... I'm not the most accepting of other works, right? Just because I don't need to read them. I understand this feeling. But this one I really like. Yeah. It's just like one you're so right about. No, I'm just kidding. I also just like nobody- there are a lot of theories on Ashara Dane that I personally don't agree with just because of where they come from, the spirit of where they come from. The spirit is not full of whimsy and good things and like it seems there's some sort of negativity sometimes or a misunderstanding and misperception of the character. So when someone gets a theory on a Charadain rite, they really have to nail it.

And our friend Mackenzie here that emailed us really did nail it, in my opinion. I think it's fun. I think it's a great way to make some of these pieces work. And it's crazy because we were just talking about some of those pieces at brunch with our patrons the other day. So this theory is about Ashara Dane and the Silent Sisters from Mackenzie. Mackenzie had recently, around this time, this was sent probably back in a Storm of Swords aria is when Mackenzie sent this, so it's been a little bit. And they had also written in about the Moll Town tunnels and we talked about them. Mackenzie wanted to talk about their favorite mystery in the series, the common story of

Ashara Dayne throwing herself from Pale Stone Tower in grief, but yet her body's never found, so what if she never died? Mackenzie is on board with my idea that Ashara is Giana, Lady of Greywater Watch, but she thinks she escaped Starfall with help from the Silent Sisters. If she was disguised as one, she could slip away unnoticed, travel to the south, then go vanish north into the Neck. It fits. noticed, travel to the south, then go vanish north into the Neck.

It fits. Ned returned dawn to Starfall, took Leona's bones north, likely with Silent Sisters since they handled funerary journeys. Silent Sisters' vows, veils, and superstition gives a perfect cover. No one questions them. They often appear at key moments. Ned used them multiple times in a game of thrones, and they're tied to that theme of hidden death. So maybe Ashara joined them or at least used them to disappear. She'd only need help from a few sympathetic silent sisters. I love how this fits George's style. Ritual, secrecy, myth, hiding a living ghost in plain sight. I do hope that we get some some light shed on it in the next book. My worry is we won't. I think that

we won't get answers till a dream of spring on this one because I think that it's one of those mysteries whatever the fuck happened to Ashara it's one of those mysteries that's like intrinsically linked with Howlin' Reed and his mysteries right like the mysteries that we're not supposed to know the truth of Rhaegar and Lyanna the truth of how the Tower at Joy happened like all these things are linked and George literally is not going to reveal it until the last book. I think that maybe Tower of Joy, Jon Snow might get the reveal and wins, right, through Bran is my guess, but anything beyond that I think has to come in a Dream of Spring for like a for like the balance the pacing the like resonance right like you want like this

Resolve to come through you want attention to resolve when you tell a story you want like an elastic band to snap back finally So I think that we won't get it till dream so Real heads in the ashara fandom know that we just got a lock in We've just gotta keep locking in. Indeed, indeed. Yeah, this is a fun theory, especially because there is an interesting amount of emphasis that I think is given on the Silent Sisters that I didn't notice until later on, and how people were like,

hmm, they seem a little suspicious. And so this could be an interesting reason to think that and why there's sort of emphasis on them too. And it does make you wonder, obviously they've taken their vow of silence, but I'm sure not everyone has, considering there are other groups that take vows that break them throughout the story, right? What? You mean, whatever could you mean?

Like a celibate order that people break all the time? I mean, what's the meaning? Right, right, pick one. Pick one of them, if you want, like any of the like three to seven. But also, it's interesting because there's something about like Sandor, right, on the Quiet Isle being a novice that's taken a vow of silence, and the Silent Sister's being called the Stranger's Wife, right, Death's Wife. And that they also have taken a vow. It makes you wonder if they get any time off of that vow too, just like how the novices get a day that they are allowed to speak and repent.

Do they get to speak and repent? Do they get one day a week to speak and repent? Maybe two. It has a similar structure with like the religion aspect. Right. So that's why I'm like, hmm, makes me wonder. Yeah. Unrelated.

I'm thinking of like, you know, how chartreuse the liquor is made. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, are you not into chartreuse? Interesting. I've had a bad experience with it before. In fact, it's probably why I don't like anything that's that kind of liqueur. You know, that like thick kind of like herbal like Amaro's. Yeah, I'm not into those. Oh, I didn't know that. I guess you would not, you definitely would not have liked, so

one of my best friends, she and I tried to make an Amaro. It was not great. We used Everclear for it and we should not have. Oh no. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. It's just like, I really got to be in the mood for different.

I remember the time I had it though. I was 19 years old. I was in Lansing, Michigan. Interesting. Spending the night after the goth club somewhere. Yeah. I mean, church, it definitely fits the vibe Spending the night after the goth club somewhere. And you were like, never again. Yeah, I mean, Chartreuse definitely fits the vibe of like, you went to a goth club. It's like made by monks and stuff. Oh yeah.

It was a bunch of like goth kids after the club at like 2 a.m. like in this apartment in Lansing, just like pouring Chartreuse over the rocks in low balls. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. I did not feel great the next day. Oh my gosh. Did not feel great.

Well, hopefully you feel more great from this message from our friend Sunflower Solace, aka Nathan. So our friend, Sunflower Solace Nathan, yeah, he reached out and said, Hi CNE! Aw, we sound like a television network. I was listening to this week's Aria episode, aww, and thought about the Darksister discussion. I'm not sure if there would be enough text for it, but maybe a future Patreon episode could be discussing what we know of Valyrian steel and its various uses in the story, i.e.

While the name swords in Euron's armor, Valyrian steel swords come to be tied to house identity for the houses that do wield it. We see ice being melted down as a nail in the coffin for House Stark, and Sansa's understandably upset reaction to seeing it at Joffrey's wedding is notable. There's also something Tolkien-esque, the Ring's books, as Chloe has affectionately called them, about the ability to forge new Valyrian steel being lost after the Doom Doom and only a few smiths left know how to rework it. Tolkien's books deal with that theme of the weakening of magic over generations and current generations not being able to match the heroes of old. Just some thoughts of mine. Thank you for reading.

Also PS. Yes, rip Men Gone Cannon 2023 through 2023. Maybe a potential April Fool's idea for the social media pages slash Discord server. Made the whole entire email even better. You know, we did have a we have we're not going to tip our hand, but we did have a thought about this a little prior to recording this episode. Yeah, yeah. Men Gone Cannon. It's coming back. We're bringing it back. Men Gone Cannon. Actually yeah, I think that Men Gone Cannon is going to have its biggest year yet when

Daenerys is over. Get ready. Get ready. I really like the idea actually of a Valyrian Steel episode. I don't know why we've never done it, but it's a good idea. There's a lot of thought in there. Like I think there's some really cool stuff with some of the swords that have been lost, right? Not even the main swords that we know of, but the ones in the background, the ones throughout the dance, like Vigilance and Orphan Maker. Yeah, Lady Forlorn. There's been more information that's come out now lately about it. Part of me wants to wait until, like, I don't know, wins because there's a part of me that I think feels a little like, there are people who have discussed like smart things already about Valyrian steel, you know? Yeah. Well, and there's also,

Wins is going to be important for it because I think we're going to see forging become possible again because we'll have dragons. And you know who knows how to make Valyrian steel? Gentry probably. Tobomaut! Oh, yeah. Well, he studied under Tobomaut. So maybe Gentry doesn't know. But maybe he glues it together once you have a dragon because if Tobomaut understands how it works Tobomaut's applesauce. Then you're going to have dragons show up. Yeah. Oh my god Go away. That's what I think about. There's something there. Yeah. But also like if it is sacrificing someone too, like if you do have to like, if you

have to blood sacrifice to forge the steel for your spell to work for a Valyrian steel sword, I think that would really affect Gendry. Like I could see that being a very like something that affects Gendry emotionally that he's like, what the fuck? Like it makes it a heavier price to pay to have these magical swords. And it changes maybe how a lot of the characters view that, right? And you can start to see that as one of those main points that lives in the shadow of like war making monsters of everyone. Like, yeah, I feel like that's also powerful if that's real, so interesting.

It could affect a lot of people, not just Gendry being like, whoa, people gotta die for this. Yeah, exactly. And I imagine Gendry and Arya's friendship being affected from that too, right? If he shows up and ends up working for the faction that's fighting against the Long Knight and they're trying to make all these swords and then he finds out the blood truth of how to make these swords or that it might impact them in any way, even if it's not like a straight blood sacrifice. Like, or maybe it is, I don't know, but I think it's like interesting in the reflection of the battle, right? To come against the others, too. I wonder how like Arya might even think about it because like

the way that the way that her character is going could go in a couple ways of her being like, it's just the price we got to pay, you know, she's just like, I don't know, maybe we kill this person. Yeah, or could she's like have more of a thing of like, no, they have to have deserve it in some way. Like, you know, she's the one coming up with the with the parameters around what it means to deserve and what it doesn't. Like for example when we discussed Darren. Yeah. Reasserting kind of that moral high ground that she got from her parents, right? Who believe in the rules in so many ways and that the rules will support them. Right now she's just like, I don't know, maybe I make the rules. I don't know. You know, like she does really need something to believe in in her family and her loved ones again, I think like, and it could be impactful on the plot with that in mind. Maybe it changes how she acts with it. Yeah, interesting. Hmm. See, lots to think of, Sunflower Salas.

Thank you, David. This is so cute. This email from our friend David is so cute. This email from our friend David is so cute. I kind of cut some of it down just because this email was sent way back when we had nine POVs left. And I wanted to come back to it now because we have one POV left, which that fucks you up just to say that out loud.

Have you tried saying that? Say it out loud, Ellie. It's also just so weird because not only is there only one, like we just all know. It's, it is weird. Like, but George- There's no fanfare left. George has the opportunity to do something really crazy right now. So crazy right now. Like, George, if you drop the book, GDC fans everywhere. What are we gonna do? Yeah. Shambles. Shambles. So- What?

What are we gonna do? GDC fans everywhere. Yeah. Shambles. Shambles. What? So, David is into puzzles and our podcasts. So like two really fun things for a POV. So David thought it would be fun to do the end game order and if he nailed it he wanted

to guess for ACOCK, Danny 1, Malor, Arya 13. Very cute. Very cute. I appreciate the candor. A very fun thing. Tragically, you got it wrong. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

I'm sorry. I don't even know or remember. I'm like, what did he do? This is what his guess was. He guessed Bran, Melisandre, Eren, Victarion, John Connington, Cersei, Arya, Epilogues, Tyrion, and Dany. Actually like not far on some of them though. Yeah. Right?

So let's see. Let's pull out the list. I have it. So here's what we actually did. Bran, Victarion, Arryn, Melisandre, Arya, John Connington, Epilogues, Cersei, Daenerys, Tyrion. We really threw some like left field balls in that, to be fair. Like I see why he thought the way he did. Yeah.

I understand the desire to put Daenerys at the end and I think like in some ways it does make sense I think putting Daenerys at the end Here's just how I'm gonna I don't mean this like in a bad way, but it's the sentimental choice it is a sentimental choice we put Tyrion at the end because Tyrion is I think we've said this multiple times now one of the most complicated of the characters. And it helps to have a basis of having discussed denarius in order to use that again to be able to analyze Tyrion more fully. And I do think there's a book end quality in

Ned and Tyrion also. Oh interesting. Having Ned first and Tyrion also. Oh, interesting. Having Ned first and Tyrion last. Interesting. I think that there are a lot of ways that Tyrion becomes maybe more like Ned by the end of the story. I think like a lot of guilt and a lot of, you know, we have this whole gap of stuff we see through Ned's memory and like bits and pieces of the war that he was through and the trauma that he went through and the family that he lost and the things he did and lied and did and to protect his family and to protect, you know,

the love that his family had, right? And like, I don't know, all these bits of legacy and honor and like Tyrion grapples with a lot of that too. So having them at these opposite ends of the story, I do feel they are anchors. Danny, I think having Danny before Tyrion too, something that David points out here, he says like he would choose Danny to finish it because Tyrion's art ends with her and she's the natural last POV and I do think that's fair in a lot of ways to have the build up be to Danny. It's all building up to Danny. But also, I think Tyrion and Danny have so much similarity in like losing things in family that hurt them and abuse them, but yet they crave the love of that family. They yearn to have support.

They yearn security, right? They yearn to know they're safe, but they don't always get that and because of that, you see them lash out in some ways too. And I think there's something there, really, really like, there is something sentimental between Dani and Tyrion and I can't wait to see when they do meet, how they connect because of it. Yeah, I think both of them are going to kind of validate that sort of loneliness and pride in each other. And I think that'll be really fun. Actually, a lot of the reasoning that, uh, goddamn, I almost said Will,

that David gave makes a lot of sense too. And some of it is stuff that I think we did talk about. And some of it, like, he just kind of gave us some stuff in the sort of reverse order than the way we did it, but the characters are still next to each other for similar reasons. Yeah, like, Victarion and Eren are next to each other and, like, for obvious reasons, right? We chose that as well. Melisandre being in that mix, we went Victarion, Eren, Melisandre, Arya instead, and, like, the Mel first works too to go, Eren, Melisandre, Arya instead, and like the Mel first works too

to go to Eren though. Like either way Eren and Mel were together for similar reasons. And Jon-Khan to Cersei, I see that link, right? Like I do see that link and I understand it, but we chose instead to do Arya to Jon-Khan based on like the traumas, the terrors, based on the terrors, and the epilogues after Jon-Khan based on like the traumas, the terrors based on the terrors and the epilogues after Jon-Khan especially because that lead up into Aegon and then Cersei because Cersei is going to be grappling with Aegon and of course because the epilogues lead up to Cersei's kind of reign in a lot of ways and give her some power back and you've got that Kevin

connection and then of course Daenerys because Daenerys Tyrion and Cersei I think are the ways and give her some power back and you've got that Kevin connection. And then of course Daenerys because Daenerys Tyrion and Cersei I think are the most kind of complex and direct rulership arcs that we get to watch that are still active. I will say so here we have from David Arya after Cersei and we actually I think did discuss that at one point but there is a more meta reason for why we didn't do that. There are multiple reasons why we didn't, right? I mean, like, I think a lot of you can now see, like, the madness pioneer method of,

like, how we chose this order, but we did consider that doing Aria, Daenerys, and Tyrion, these are three very long POVs right next to each other, and also such three big pivotal ones, especially when you consider the context of the 93 letter. Yeah. That was part of why we did not want to chunk those together as well. Yeah, that was the other thing when we did this, like pacing is important and having big POVs next to one another. That was another big thing for us. We didn't really want to blow our load all at once on all of them. That's the theme this month. We had kind of a rule. Yeah, right. I don't know what's wrong with me. Don't blow your load. I know. But like, so that's why you have some

big anchors, right? You start with Ned and then you have some trickles, right? You have some miniature POVs, you have Sansa, which is like a second, a secondary length kind of POV. And then we got to Jon after Theon, you know, like a next big one. We did like, we did definitely burn out when we did Davos and Catelyn back to back. Like I think we learned like you can't do a huge POV, huge POV, but then we still chose Daenerys and Tyrion at the end because we couldn't see another way through without having them together. Yeah. We did feel very strongly about them together. Oh yeah, and I also feel like, I don't know, I feel at the moment still energized to do it. Like I'm not, and maybe it's also part of like where we are in time and all these things and like,

I don't know, as people and like, as we've navigated doing these. But I really burned out, I think maybe mentally during some of the John chapters, especially the John dance. Yeah, well that's cause of Game of Thrones. Yeah. Yeah. That was part of it.

Game of Thrones and John was- No, that was pre-pandemic. That was pre of it. The Game of Thrones and Jon was... No, that was pre-pandemic. That was pre-pandemic. Yeah, that's what's crazy. That was pre-pandemic. So like pre-pandemic Lovato, Jon Snow chapters, that we definitely learned our lesson from doing a lot of things at once. It was a couple things, but also like I see so many...

Actually, we didn't learn our lesson because we then did it again during Hot D season 1. But- Well then we really learned our lesson and now we did better during season 2 and look at us now. We've put good boundaries, good working boundaries. Sunshine season? I don't know. I'm like, there's some things that are not great right now about life, but at the same

time we- But this is we're doing we're doing well, I think navigating our timing and stuff when it comes to this. But yeah, john, as you said, Game of Thrones, the show work. Yeah, there was that. But also, like I still stand by like, I think a lot of the john dance chapters are repetitive in how it hit certain notes. And I was like, I'm saying the same thing week to week. See, I don't know. Maybe I was burned out.

I don't know. I think you were burned out. I don't know. I love those chapters. Like, actually, while yes, we were burned out from the Game of Thrones duel, like, thing at the same time, like, I've never, like, of our chapters, I do think that was transformative for me and how I read the books, John at that pace with you. So I saw a lot more. I came to really appreciate Jon Snow's character and story in those chapters and his importance in a

couple of ways. So like, I get it. Like I got it. I understood it finally. So I feel very strongly about those. But you know, it's fine. I just know we were tired as shit during 15, 15, 15 chapter POVs. I remember being very tired during... well, also, like, I think we were still doing two chapters per episode that time too, right? Or maybe not. Maybe that was when we started changing and maybe slowing down a little every now and then. I think John was the very last time we did any joint chapters. Do you ever think about us going back and splitting any chapters, like Sansa's, for example? I know you thought about with Sansa.

Oh yeah, duh. The Barristan, I've said this multiple times. Barristan, yeah. You can all quote me. I would love to split up the Barristan ones and redo them. Theon, Theon, I mean, obviously, like that one's such a big POV. Yeah. You never know.

We'll see how long. We need Tio. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, do we have regrets? No, not really. It's not a regret, but like, you know, I'm wiser now. Theoretically.

Every day I get wiser. But also sometimes I get dumber. Thank you for letting uh, thank you for letting us reminisce, David. We really appreciate it. And I really did like your order. I think it was a good order. I like when people make their own versions, you know, like I miss those days. I miss everybody putting their versions of what they think is next out. That was very fun for me.

Yeah. I mean, a lot of the rationale is like on point. So. Yeah. Our good friend Pete sent us an email. He has been a little absent lately. Pete is, to explain to you, the listener at home, Pete is our wonderful friend who actually ran

the His Dark Materials rewatch for a while for us on the Discord and did some amazing work every week would have episode discussions. So he loves Aeswaf and His Dark Materials and he is not up to speed with the gossip on the podcast he says, so we'll have to, you know, let him binge when he's ready. But he was wondering if there are plans to cover the third book slash boob of dust this his phone often autocorrects book to boob and It's canon now. Not even gonna unpack that like just gonna gloss over it And so we have a joke on the discord that the books of dust are called the boobs of dust Yeah

so he's asking are we gonna cover it when it releases and if so to what extent and Are we gonna do any predictions for the final chapter? Like who lives, who dies? Will there be a cameo from a certain someone? Yeah. Tell us your story and who shags who? OK, Pete, they better not do any shagging. They are still tied in my mind. But he is curious.

Some of the characters I'm censoring and editing his email heavily But you know, maybe there will be some sex who knows he'd like to know though Eliana So what do you say I think our his dark materials plans? I think we are gonna cover it. We haven't like actually nailed down any of our plans part of it is also contingent I'm sorry. I'm the problem. it's me. Finishing the second book, oh my god, actually a friend of mine the other night was asking about like how I'm doing in regards to the second book and if I ever finish it I was like no, I still stalled out in the same area and then we were discussing the dynamics again between like whether someone

teaches someone or not, which is kind of funny because I think it also depends on like life's age and ages. There's that popular book that I guess is getting adapted into a movie, which I haven't read called The Love Hypothesis, which I guess someone dates their professor or like pretends to date their professor. And, but they're a PhD student. I'm like, that's like, I don't know. There's power dynamics that can obviously be abused in some things, but like it could be different too.

Um, but it's just like, I don't know. I was trying to explain to Tim also my rationale of like why I just cannot stand the Malcolm everything, but I'll get over it and like read it because like interestingly some of the things that people don't like about the second book are Lyra's very depressive state as she enters young adulthood and apparently that actually makes some people not like it. I'm like, no, that's so fucking real. That's what I like about the book.

That's real. That's actually like when I started the second book of dust in the His Dark Materials sandwich trilogy, when I started that, that was like, A, I was crying in the beginning of the book because it's so real. It's like, of course that's where you are after you've battled God.

Like, of course this is where you end up in your life and you're alone. And yeah, after you've already made the most meaningful connections you'll ever have made and then everybody abandons you. So it makes sense. And like, I really do want you to finish it solely because I do think it has that merit that we're talking about even despite the annoying bits that are turnoffs in some ways of like a certain character and her having this connection that they're exploring apparently.

But I don't know. I think that we will get there. I think honestly we are really committed right now with making sure that we finish what we set out to do with the first five Aeswath books. That's a good point. Yeah. I think we're really close, right? Like we're, I mean, we're not far from the end of Daenerys. We're halfway through right now. Yeah. Plus like as you were saying- More than. As we were just talking about regarding like our pacing, I know that we've slowed down on our pacing, everyone. And thank you like for thinking that we have been putting out consistent coverage. I appreciate that. But that's because we are older and things are sometimes tiring and we want to, as you said, focus on it, put out great analysis for these final two POVs.

Doing it at a pace that is sustainable. Yeah, like we're at the point where we would rather put out a quality episode than rush it, you know? We aren't trying to like just get it done, like we have the time. And again, like we're almost done. It's really fucking weird. Like, Tyrion is going to be a lot of episodes, obviously, but after Tyrion, like, your move, George. Your move, George. Your move, George. Your move, George.

Yu-Gi-Oh. We've always said, like, you know, we want a book, but I respect he's almost there and he's getting there and it's gonna be amazing when it happens, but like, we also always said like, it's not like we have a problem because we can just keep going and then we'll finish, but then if we finish, yeah, it's his move. Yeah. I mean, like if we finish, there's a way, like, I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Like life is- I don't know what I'll do. The rest is still unwritten. Unwritten. Rest is still unwritten. Ooh, ooh, ooh. We need at least one musical interlude.

Yeah, we were kind of getting a little stale. We have two emails left. Everybody get loose for them. Speaking of a musical interlude, our friend Thunder Clap, who was present at brunch this week. Oh my god. It was like a celebrity was there. I'm serious. I'm literally serious. Me and Eliana were freaking out in the DMs like, thunderclap is here. Thunderclap

is here, but he came to brunch. He breathed into the mic for us. We didn't quite get him there like completely, but he was there in spirit and also physically there just like listening. He was like typing back. He was. Yeah, he was also like in a mobile phone and that can make it difficult, I know, to participate on the tech socks. Yeah. Yeah. But he emailed and he said, we know Patch Face has prophetic songs. What if another song, Bear and the Maiden Fair was prophetic?

And I love this because maybe George is playing with it, right? So he breaks it down. Sansa is the Maiden Fair, Lothar Brun is the bear. Sweet Robin, Terrence and Philip are the three boys. The goat is Littlefinger with his goatee. And Sansa is running out the Tyroshi hair dye. She could use honey, which naturally contains hydrogen peroxide along with cinnamon to dye her hair back to red. Interesting.

Littlefinger could get Lothar Brune to dance with her at the event to be Sweet Robin's winged knights. Oh, kind of like rebellion style of Charadaine. He lifted her high in the air. He sniffed and roared and he smelled her there. Oh God. She kicked and wailed the maid so fair when he licked the honey from her hair

and then trigger Harry the heir to challenge Lothar to a duel and eliminate Harry. Oh, fun. I like that. Like she like has, yeah. Hmm. Interesting. Interesting.

That's a fun way. That's one I can't wait to watch. Like the tourney for the Winged Knights is what I want. Yeah. I mean, obviously I want anything that happens with Sansa's storyline. I mean, Lothar Brood is another character that I'm very interested in. Where is that going? For sure.

Where is that bear going? Yeah. So this is, this is fun. I love that it's also music related, you know, as, as you all know, I'm about to reuse a joke that I made in brunch, but like Thunder Clap is a Grammy award winning songwriter for D even that we performed for you a few episodes ago. Actually, at brunch, I performed a live music performance of Demon Roads in honor of Thunderclap. So if you are not a patron in the Thundertier and up, like Thundertier, Thunderclap, you

should be because you would hear live guitar, live studio performances from the Girls Gone Cannon. Indeed. Live music. Yeah, we now offer live music. It's like a Tiny Desk concert. Oh my God, Girls Gone Cannon, Tiny Desk. That actually could happen maybe for us one day.

You never know. You never know. You never know. Wow, wouldn't it be- what if as you get to- Eliana is on a journey with guitar right now, so like if we become M2M girl duo. Girl pop duo. I mean wouldn't that be crazy? They'll be like, yeah they got their start with an Aeswaf podcast and then they became a musical duo. Isn't that funny? That'd be so funny. That's not gonna happen. But what if? I mean, we're just girls. We have dreams. You can write your own.

It's not a birthday rap. You could write your own, I don't know, insert other day here song. You can write your own. Oh, wow. You're like, huh? I mean, I mean. I really do love that birthday rap. Okay, we have a last note, and this is actually from Discord. This is from Discord, and I actually probably will bring it up again, just to make sure that this gets out there.

In the Daenerys episode's proper, this was in response to when we were discussing, I want to say it was Daenerys 1 and the Storm of Swords, but we were trying to get want to say it was Daenerys I and his Storm of Swords, but we were trying to get through to um and saving this. So our friend Tec, who also joined Brunch for the first time this past this past week, says the 3000 of Kohor is actually making me think of the Battle of Ain Jalut, which we had discussed some potential inspirations for the Battle of Kohor, or the 3000 of Kohor and like last stand stuff. And I think the tech is like on the money here. Um, it's something that I didn't know about. So, uh, love this. Where the Mamluks fended off the Mongol army, preventing them from expanding into North Africa. While the Mamluks were actually

very influential in the Ottoman Empire and India and eventually came to have their own sultanate, the reputation of the Mamluks as some of the fiercest warriors in the medieval world while being a slave army is very similar to the Insulid, whom I'm assuming were partly inspired by the Mamluks. And NPR's Thrueline has a really good episode about the Battle of Aisle called David vs. Goliath. So thank you, Tech, for this. They have a lot of other great insights. They're always posting great thoughts and insights. I'm like, when I die, Tech gets the podcast. Yeah. Tech and Red's. Red, yeah, who-

Wow. Yeah, also gets the podcast. They don't know each other, I think. Our heirs. But they fucking will. Our heirs don't have to. Wow, isn't that kind of a rom-com setup? You've been willed a podcast and for some reason instead of just saying, no, you're doing it.

Do either of them know? I guess we have to teach everyone how to produce before. Oh, no, I'll leave it in our will. Oh my god. We'll leave your document. Yeah, we'll will our Google Docs. Someone's going to take over this. Our tutorials. Yeah, I really like that the mom locs especially were like an ethnically diverse army, right?

So not unlike the Unsullied, they were gathered from everywhere. Interesting comparison. Yeah. Again, you might hear us bring this up again, but I think this was spot on. Thank you for covering our blind spots. Yeah, that's our historian. For the historians.

Yeah, that's tech. Our historian that we consult now, we're going to start consulting the consultant with tech, you know, give us your fee, give us your fee. I just I don't know. This episode could be even greater. I was putting it together. Oh, I see. It's a good name.

Honey. Yeah. Wow. Well, this has been us yapping. Thank you for setting these emails and everyone. We really appreciate them. We had a few more that came in at the last minute, but this is a pretty full episode already. Who knows? Maybe we'll do it again once we gather some more. We do try to put you guys' emails and notes and tweets in as they are relevant. Sometimes we don't get to it. Sometimes we know it's going to be a thick episode already. So we try to go light. We need to go to bed.

Even if you don't make it. Yeah, sometimes we have to go to bed. We're old people in two different time zones. But if yours don't make it, know that we really appreciate them. We try to reach back out when we can. And you never know when you're gonna hear your words in our mouths. Interesting. I don't know.

We'll be back soon, hopefully with Pym for Daenerys Three in a Storm of Swords. Please keep your eyes and ears peeled. It's going to be such a wonderful episode and Pym's gonna be an amazing guest and we hope you enjoyed this mini-sode today. GGC explains it all. I've been one of your hosts, Chloe. And I've been another one of your hosts, Aliana. Goodbye. Goodbye. Are they showing Clarice Explains It All anywhere? Maybe I should try and find it. Maybe like Amazon or something. There's a lot of Nickelodeon stuff on Amazon. Yeah, it would be down to re-watch. Oh, maybe it's on Paramount, who knows? Cause I think that's the same studio, right?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Maybe it's gone. Maybe. Wow. Goodbye.

Goodbye.