Girls Gone Canon Cast - His Dark Materials S1E4: "Armor"

Episode Date: November 29, 2019

Two protagonists join Lyra's party - but at first, not so willingly. Meet Lee Scoresby, Iorek, and also - Kaisa!   Check out Lo's piece on Nordic influence in His Dark Materials: https://lo-lynx.tumblr.com/post/189230180712/the-nordic-influences-in-his-dark-materials   Check out Chloe's thread on what's still to come in season one: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor/status/1199325819597971456   -------------------------- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: www.liesandarborgold.com Intro: Waltz Of The Skeleton Keys by WombatNoisesAudio | https://soundcloud.com/user-734462061

🎵 Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon. We are watching the His Dark Materials television show, Season 1, Episode 4, Armor. I am one of your hosts, Eliana. You might know me as GlassTableGirl on Reddit, or perhaps as Arithmetic over on Twitter. And I am another one of your hosts, Chloe. You might know me from the internet as LizaNarver on Twitter, Tumblr, and LizaNarverGold.com. Everyone, we got a couple of really important characters in this week's episode. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, it was the best.

So good. We also, though, got a lot of great tweets and responses from people. One of them, of course, has been Lo, Jack O'Meara, who's been sending us a lot of great stuff throughout our reread of Northern Lights slash The Golden Compass. And Lo has sent us a couple of things,

one of which is on how to properly pronounce a couple of the names and the words from this week's episode. We, I think we should get a pass, just like Lee. Lo gives Lee a pass. on Tumblr about the Sami people and how there was a lot of racism back then in the North and in the Scandinavian countries and how this led to a lot of oppression for ethnic minorities and a couple of people practicing eugenics upon them. And this is something that I think we're going to expand on more next week. It seems more relevant for next week's episode, but wanted to flag it for everyone, especially if you've been following along with our reread, and we'll link it in this post.

Yeah, absolutely. Lo has been really instrumental in explaining to us some of this history of racism and eugenics in that northern area, and also how it still happens today. Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, I don't think we can contain our excitement anymore i'm sorry the episode i'm so excited this first scene was so good it was just like they so the bbc released this scene before we even saw the episode right i just watched it i was sold i watched it over and over and over and over i like learned the song i'm singing it under my breath right now i'm just i learned the song so that i could like and and i think my partner's confused as to like why are you when you know the song why are you singing this song when we just started the episode

lee and hester sing amidst the clouds they're on their way to cause trouble for their friend yorick burnison yeah what intro. I love the song that Lee and Hester harmonize upon. My favorite lyric is probably, man gets lucky every couple of times. Yeah, man gets lucky a couple of times. I think that part, I was just like, oh, so this is Lee's life now.

Oh, so they're just gonna stab him in the heart. Yeah, so they're just gonna tell us his entire life story in about four lines. Great. Amazing. God. I also loved when he's all singing and then he pops up and he sees something out in the distance and he's like Hester! And she's like, I'm

right here. What do you see? It was so great. She's very sassy. I love that voice actress. I think you're gonna talk about this later in depth you just finished it but this is very once upon a time in the north field gunslinging bar fighting bear roaring yeah absolutely i i was actually surprised at first so it seemed like it was a very different

interpretation of lee especially for those who came up with sam elliott's performance as lee in the golden compass movie or you know what's performance as Lee in the Golden Compass movie, or, you know, how he's portrayed in the books. But actually, he's very, very similar to the character, to the Lee that we meet in Once Upon a Time in the North. And they actually draw a lot from very specific scenes in that short story within his introduction here. I'd even say rereading the first book and the second book i i recently went out on vacation and i'm rereading the subtle knife right now in preparation for the second half of the season since apparently we're going to be done with the amber spyglass by the second season uh what was it the esoteric like stopwatch what were all the other names on that meme great

name everyone check it out oh so good um even just reading his first introduction again in the northern lights and here i loved that effect when he said oh i've only i've only had to kill a few times you know it's not my thing i'm interested to see how lin-manuel portrays him going forward i think he did a good job i think the the accent kind of flickered here and there, but it was good when it was there. It was subtle. Like a knife. So, small bit of trivia. Here, every now and then we talk about the names of the demons, and Hester, her name is actually, means star. Really?

Yeah. It comes from, it's a derivative of the name esther which i guess makes sense you know you can see it especially thinking about like yoster yostre etc things like that so you can see how it like gets there to give it a little animal corner the rabbit is always a totem of prosperity and abundance obviously uh apparently she's an arctic hare she was always like i never felt like i was a rabbit at the end of once upon a time in the north i was like okay hester fascinating uh yeah arctic hares really are just about fortune right it's about fortune i don't know that is what lee usually sets out for, but maybe not this time. Maybe only a couple of times. Only once in a while.

A couple of times. And then it's gonna eat him. It's just gonna eat him. But then it doesn't. And then Hester's atoms go up into the stars and so does his, and then they're reunited. Anyways, the Egyptian caravan is

traveling up the river to Trellis and at the same exact time as lee and hester are in the sky and then we hit the intro again yes every time it's still good still slaps i noticed something new every week like that's amazing when it backs out of lyra with the subtle knife on her back that we talked about last week, it backs out in a circle. Did you notice that? What do you mean? It's the amber spyglass.

Oh, yeah. The subtle knife, and then it goes into that circle, and it's the lens of the spyglass. Yeah, they threw in the whole fucking trilogy. I think they're so smart. Yeah, they do. And I mean, that's definitely the world. And they are. Yeah, it's definitely the world of the

malefa and one of those like little wafers and then i i kind of like the idea of sitagaze being underneath lyra's world it's kind of a strange inversion considering that sitagaze is positioned above them the whole time absolutely anyway it's funny they're they think they're so clever i always think that they're gonna change something though they haven't, but maybe they will eventually, you know. They do it for anime every season. Why not? Keep it fresh. Yeah, just imagine everyone running across the screen.

That intro, I think they have to change it. I think they have to add a little more will into it at some point. Yes. I didn't realize I wanted that until you said and i was like oh my god yes i do deeply and then of course we get to the first scene that is not the cold open with lee meeting the sussleman dudley durstley is apprehending lee for being salacious and lee is out there pickpocketing people throughout the city and he's like I'm looking for a bear you guys see a bear anywhere Hester's like please do not get us in trouble

again he comments he hasn't seen the gyptians this far north to Hester Sissleman is a local office of government in Norwegian Feroci and Icelandic culture so it's basically a sheriff uh but this is dudley dursley this is his actor he is skinny i couldn't figure out where i knew him from i'm so glad you provided this this for me i was like why do i know this face so he's definitely lost a little weight there's that um and also i don't know i i guess he's still playing a similar role and honestly he's not wrong it is probably dangerous to smoke on a place that's full of oil yeah he's he's not wrong no absolutely lee's kind of like boisterous in this right he's causing trouble he's pick pocketing i was surprised at that yeah um i didn't feel that

came from his modern book character more from him from one spot of time in north yeah the pickpocketing though wasn't even in that so i was a little surprised but i mean i'm like whatever i guess it makes sense for a rogue yeah exactly yeah i was also thinking that i was like oh wow they really went full full rogue then we have the scene with Jon Fah instructing Fardekorum to go to the Witch's Council. They joke about Fardekorum's age and his looks and his relationship with Seraphina Pakala before. And then Fardekorum takes Lyra's side and asks her to read the Alethiometer for him, or at least explain how she does it. Both of the parties have noted at this point in the episode that there's an increased presence of the magisterium in Trollocent.

Coram tells Lyra to hide her alethiometer when they're there, and Lee and Hester also noted that there was more magisterium presence. A man watches them from above, and so does the entire magisterium, because it turns out they're all just like looking out for weird stuff happening. And Lyra has her alethiometer out just in the broad daylight. Guys, this is amateur hour. Yeah. This is like some baby town stuff.

Put it away. Go undercover. Come on now. Coram tells Lyra he thinks Seraphina Piccola will lend them aid although not all witches may aid them i also want to point out before we go any further that you and i have stayed true to ourselves with our pronunciation of seraphina piccola and i respect that i've always had respect for you eliana wait have you do you not say it like that i mean no i say piccala, but the show does not. It does. Pecala. Yeah. And Lo also said that it's Pecala.

But my brain says it's not. It's hard to it's hard to change the way I've said something since I was like 13. Okay. And it's hard for me to change the way I've said something since I was 27, which I still am. You're basically just like Lee and Yorick, in which Lee just calls Yorick throughout Once Upon a Time in the North, Yorick, burning sun throughout all of it. And then Yorick calls him Mr. Scaresby or Scarsby. Mr. Scaresby is my favorite. And I'm like, oh my god, they're made for each other. Absolutely.

I know you have your ships, but I have mine too. Yes, I respect that. You respect my furry ship. Speaking of other ships, this isn't quite a ship. It's just a fact. We said it last time. I'm gonna repeat it. Fardekorum pulls.

Yeah, Fardekorum fucks. Or fucked. Yeah, John Faw calls him out on it, too. John Faw tells him that he punches above his weight, and you know, good for him. I don't know if that's true or not. Farder Quorum's got a beautiful heart. I think it's more like Farder Quorum and Serafina Pakala, like, she's the hot girl, he's the nerdy, quiet, alethiometer-friendly, I don't know, whatever. He's like the quiet, nice gyption grandpa. You know what I mean?

Like, he's the good guy, and she was the hot girl. The hot, manic pixie, Lake Inara girl. She wanted to pet his cat. Let's not act like it was anything different. And let me just tell you that he pet her cat yeah that's all that was happening here uh along with that i like i like this uh note from the measures of truth podcast and their live tweets they made a good note we realized later of course that there are hardly any children out in charleston for obvious reasons we'll talk about that in a second. And part of the reason that folks might be looking at Lyra and Fardecorum isn't just because of the alethiometer, but also because

they're like, whoa, it's a child. Weird. Haven't seen it in a while. Yeah. Also, the explanation that Lyra gives here about stepping down on each rung of the ladder to understand the meanings and the symbols of the lithiometer is very, very, very similar to how she explains it in the books. If you didn't check out episode three of our reread of Northern Lights and the Golden Compass, we do a deep dive into how this stacks up against the way that meaning is explained within linguistics in regards to semiotics and semantic neighborhoods. If you don't feel like re-listening or actually listening to it, $1.00 nut patrons can just skim the show notes, whatever. It's the same thing. Absolutely. Moving ahead, the witch council. Farder Coram hopes to get a message to his ex-lover, Serafina,

and it turns out, well, they weren't that sneaky when they came in and they were whipping out the alethiometer because Martin Lancellius is interested in Lyra, the fated girl with the golden alethiometer. Coram knows Serafina would want to help, so he pushes the issue with Martin, who says he'll pursue it. He then asks lyra to figure out which pine spray is seraphina's with the alethiometer on the wall and lyra does oh my god i was so excited about this he gives seraphina's spray to lyra and says this will summon seraphina's

help if they should need it in danger she asks him what she should be asking from him that she has not asked yet it was a good scene i like that lynn sully says yes farter quorum everyone knows that you two fucked no but everyone fucking kisses and tells all right we all know quorum vintrexel we know that you guys fucked you had a kid yeah couldn't couldn't hide it i as you said really like they included it i like the way that they portrayed the basement full of the cloud pine it wasn't the way that i imagined it but also i think i was imagining like a stable full of branches when i read it so i like this interpretation a lot it was it was really good i liked him in the jars yeah uh i

think i i didn't know what to expect i really didn't so i expected a stable like you with just like racks of them with just racks of branches like you go to yeah i mean basically something that you would see soon in the upcoming seasons around here where you go buy a christmas tree and there's a million of them but only way way thinner, like fucking Charlie Brown's Christmas tree. A million Charlie Brown Christmas trees. That's what I imagined. I also prefer that they're stretching out and not giving us the whole chosen one thing right away,

with the whole prophecy. I'm noticing that, especially with Coulter's plot in this episode, the one piece of information she does not have and that she wants and craves, the answer. Yeah, I like this choice on their part. Lyra at least then gets their next steps from Linsalius by seeking an armored bear. Aha! The thing! Where can we find one of those? Here, it's me!

They go to find Eoric Burnison. They find him working off a blood debt with metalworking behind Einderson's bar, earning food and booze and stay. Coram tries to convince Eoric to come with them, but Eoric will

not deal, even when Lyra shows bravery in facing him. And then we have Mrs. Coulter visiting the Magisterium. Yes, she is hell in high heels in this scene. I love it. We'll get into a further breakdown of her outfit, but first she meets with the Cardinal

and with Father Macphail, and they try to strip her of her duties. But instead, she shuts them down, offering to give them Asriel in order to continue her experiments, avoiding their punishment. She reveals she'll have the pants you're born on her side, and all she needs is Fra Pavel to answer one question for her on the alethiometer. I love the way that Ruth Wilson, she's just been doing a great job acting like she does a wonderful job smiling with the rest of her face, but not her eyes. In some moments here. We also get a really great reversal and mirror of two episodes ago when Mrs. Coulter invited Fathercphail into her office and offered him tea or water the cardinal here actually offers her a couple of things like tea other consumables but she refuses each one interestingly in the same way she's not here for those pleasantries and she's not gonna

be cowed which i guess is is this like part of the subtext when partaking of food in england i don't know or is this just like a metaphor of how they're performing it in the show? Explain to me. I'd imagine so. I mean, it's it's hospitality, right? If you accept that person's food or that person's favors, it's the same thing as like going to dinner with a guy and being expected, like probably to make out with him at least. You know what I mean? Like you're making out politically with this person. You're in bed with him at least you know what i mean like you're

making out politically with this person you're in bed with them politically that's what it means so she knows better yeah she does and speaking of food for thought when the cardinal tells her that he's gonna strip her of her duties he's staring at her like he also kind of wants to strip her and devour her it's like really gross it's like a hungry look yeah as opposed to the way that father mcphail looked at her he looked at her with disgust yeah absolutely with fear even yeah the very beginning of this scene when she first arrives at the top of the stairs her demon the monkey tries to hold her hand and she slaps it away almost like she doesn't want to look weak and again that self-loathing right refusing to even help herself yeah makes you wonder if she actually was a little nervous

going in at first and it's just putting on that show bravado oh i imagine so i mean this is basically you'd get taken away for life if you even misstepped right yeah uh these people are the most powerful and here she's hell in high heels like i said she's the lady in red she's femme fatale and her in this like cranberry red color with these stiff shoulders and this plunging neckline it's full-on assault she's putting her most dangerous outfit forward when she enters this holy place full of powerful men uh she has a tight waist she has a short skirt and in this you will not cow her you won't scold her she's not a child she brings herself all woman into this scene and she holds her own against the Cardinal and Father Prevel. She looks down on them and she speaks bluntly, which no other woman would do that in front of this company.

I was speaking with poor Quentin the other day. We were watching Weeds. I love the show Weeds. And Nancy Botwin is this very tragic female, you know, this matriarch familial character that gets involved in the drug business and she rejects and fails at her motherhood during the show while trying to make it in her criminal career and later on she finds herself at some point about to be put to death when it's motherhood and her pregnancy that ends up saving her and in the same way coulter masters marketing her vulnerabilities and it translates it into

power using Asriel as a bargaining chip which is something that she does later with Lyra in the story as well and by wearing this dark red power skirt suit with the plunging neckline she's fully using those vulnerabilities to entice the men into what they can't have but of course that power of the magisterium makes your skin crawl and the cardinal makes it very clear he can have and do what he wants it's very interesting contrasted with the boreal version we see later on in the episode where he extorts frappavelle it's kind of how they both use their power marisa has to use hers to manipulate in her woman's power and boreal extorts through blackmail and his actual physical power it's very

very different what you were saying kind of also made me think of like especially with all this red she's like little red riding hood but in a den of wolves right especially because she's like really into hats i think that's a british thing too also i just really want to point this out what's with the cardinal hunching over like fucking grew from despicable me all the time oh my god i'm not sure i get it i did not notice that but now you can't unsee it yep thank you you're welcome but in terms of what you're saying about marissa and boreal and how they use their power i think there's a lot of different philosophies that come forward in His Dark Materials in regards to power and how it relates to knowledge. We talked a little bit about Boreal last episode of being the serpent in the Garden of Eden and how he tempts people and

asks for knowledge, especially forbidden knowledge. And in this this episode we see knowledge again takes on several meetings you talked about that temptation of carnal knowledge just now and anyone who's like watched or read the crucible might remember john proctor saying he's known abigail as a confession i will never forget that every now and then i'll say about people i'll be like i've known i've known them just just just know that I do that. There's been a lot of emphasis also on Scholastic Sanctuary throughout this entire series that wasn't as present in the books. So it's interesting, especially as the Magisterium jealously guards the Letheometers. And of course, the Magisterium has much more of a visible role. I think in the show, they were there, right, in the books,

but now we actually like see them and all their plotting. And so I think this comes back to two different ideas of the relationship between knowledge and power. They're not the only ones, but these are just the ones I'm going to touch on right now. Like, it's often taken out of context, but Sir Francis Bacon is known for pioneering this scientific method, but also for the line, knowledge is power. But turns out Sir Francis Bacon was like really, really into God, like really into God. And so in this thing that he wrote called the Meditationis Sacrae, he delves into like what's considered canon and what's considered heresy. And what he's actually saying is that knowledge is God's power. What he's actually saying is that to limit the idea of what God is capable of is limiting God's power because knowledge is one of God's powers.

So thinking that God might not know something is limiting him and therefore a form of heresy. limiting him and therefore a form of heresy. And I think that's a little bit contrasted with Foucault, who doesn't talk about knowledge being one of God's specific powers. He talks about knowledge and controlling it as being a power by having more of it, the ability to manipulate it, and how people understand information. And that's exactly what we're seeing with Boreal and Mrs. Coulter here. And it's also what we're seeing with Boreal and Mrs. Coulter here. And it's also what the Magisterium has been trying to do, operating within both of these spheres. The belief that knowledge is among God's powers, and we see that this is actually fallible in the portrayal of God and Metatron in the Amber Spyglass.

And that because it's one of God's powers is therefore the right of the Magisterium. And so they control it to bend people to their will. And it's part of why the control of the alethiometer is so important and why they're so taken aback when Mrs. Coulter knows something that they don't and can therefore twist everything on them. Or if Boreal has carnal knowledge, it seems like he has carnal knowledge of Father Pavel, right, by the way that he's acting with him. He does the same seductive thing as Mrs. Coulter does in previous episodes, and even here,

and he says he would even out Father Pavel out of spite, which means that he would go down with him so and it is something that i know i mentioned briefly before but it actually is a very exact theme from the secret commonwealth so uh i won't go deeper than that but all of this comes up in the secret commonwealth so it is something from the books it just is kind of being translated very slowly in the background now but not lord boreal right yes and no stuff that he was involved with directly basically uh but that's not surprising the magisterium okay got it but so it's a lot of there's this all the secrecy about different things like protecting the alethiometers it becomes kind of like a very intense thing i mean imagine uh a nation like

what we live in 10 years from now with nothing getting better and mostly things getting worse you know so anyway that would never happen definitely something that I look forward to when you finally finish the two books of dust and we can discuss this one a little differently but until then I almost had incentive to cram them in this weekend and then that incentive went away and I decided to pursue becoming a Pokemon master

Fartor Coram and Lyra finally discuss the elephant in the room the giant snow elephant in the room, the giant snow goose in the room, Serafina Pakala. Coram tells her to take care of how she interacts

with people because he's worried about her and Eorik's interaction earlier. She then asks him about Serafina and his history, and he reveals that they were in love love and they had a son who died in an epidemic damn it uh it was so sad oh he did such a good job being sad about it yeah he got he says she wanted to rip the world apart fly to yambe aka fight her if that's what it took to get him back i wanted to mourn in peace

i haven't seen her since since we buried my boy uh okay i get it i'm a sinner my ship is full of sin i feel the sadness are you happy i mean i'm so sad i do feel like it's a little unfair, and we'll talk about that here, that Seraphina didn't just leave because she couldn't handle it. Her mom died as well very recently after the son died. So Yameaka came for her mother, who was the queen witch of their clan, the Lakenara tribe, and she had to go do her duty and leave Farderkorum one way or another. And as we learned, time doesn't stop for the witches.

We'll keep hearing that through the story, that a war might happen, but in a hundred years, it's a blip of time. The war could happen all over again. They would forget about it. They move along. Pine sprays in the sky. And Yanbei Aka is something that's very much so explored especially in the witch's plot it was very interesting we got to actually hear about it

right now right here uh the very first mention that we have of it is with lyra and seraphina in the northern lights how long do witches live seraphinaina Pecola? I'm going to say it. Fartor Corum says hundreds of years, but you don't look old at all. I'm 300 years or more. Our oldest witch mother is nearly a thousand. One day, Yambe Aka will come for her. One day she'll come for me. She's the goddess of the dead.

She comes to you smiling and friendly, and you know it is time to die. Uh, yeah. That's, uh, we'll learn more about that especially in Subtle Knife. We talk about it a lot, for sure. We open with a witch, you know, praying for Yameaka

to end her torture, and Seraphina steps in as that role. Yameaka is definitely something that comes up over and over again the witch is goddess of death absolutely and i think that's a good point that she left for her mother as well she was going through a hard time and honestly it's a trope that comes up a little it the trope that comes up a lot in media, right, where there's a couple and their child dies and they end up breaking up. But my understanding from what I've read and heard is that it's actually kind of true. Couples that go through something so traumatic like this, it can be difficult to stay together because the two remind each other of that very painful loss

lee and hester are now instigating problems in bars who would have thunk he's out here causing trouble he's gambling at cards with dudes at the tables bugging them he's like I'm just asking for conversation. There's like this cheesy outlaw 80s video game music almost playing in the background of the bar, like Twin Peaks-esque. I don't know. He reveals he's looking for a bear with some armor and it turns hostile. And then it turns into a bar fight. Hester is like, I swear I'm gonna kick his ass. That's all she is is she's in the background she's hysterical in this too I love one of the lines she's like you started

the fight and now you're losing the fight Lee she's the best part though she's yelling things basically along the lines of like oh this is so nice Lee too bad I told you to you know not get in trouble oh my god they almost got me Lee do you not care

and then she just keeps telling him like how to fight she's like can't can't punch this guy and now also giving him direction she stole the show yeah absolutely cristella alonso was amazing yeah so cristella alonso is the voice actress for hester. And interestingly, her lines were improvised. What? Yeah. In the scene? Right, isn't that interesting? And she was so terrified that people would hate it,

she actually still hasn't seen the episode because she's so scared of it. So go tell Cristela Alonso how much you love this scene. Don't embarrass me. In front of Cristela Alonso, by the way. Yeah, Cristela 9. Yeah, but be nice and tell her how amazing this scene. Don't embarrass me. In front of Cristela. Yeah, Cristela 9. Yeah, but be nice and tell her how amazing this scene was. All right.

Yes, absolutely. Tell her that you, a Girls Gone Canon fan, love Hester, especially in this scene, because I did. I just thought it was so funny that she was like, half berating him and being like, I can't believe you did this dumb fuck. And then like in the other best, she'd be like, can you us i just thought she was great she did great i also loved the earlier scene where she's like everyone's super nice here and she's like yeah no they suck yeah i love later when uh they're at the table and she's like lee you've done pissed everyone else off in this town now

it's time to go you're like it's fine it's fine this now. It's time to go. He's like, it's fine. It's fine. This is fine. She's like, oh my god. She's the voice of truth, for sure. Yeah, she's his North Pole. His North Star. Hester.

Mrs. Coulter gets her one question. Who is Lyra Belacqua? Fra Pavela's like, what? And she's like, just ask it. Don't ask questions. Just to the lithiometer. That's the only place to ask questions. He's like, she came out of you. You know this. He's like, literally, you birthed her, bitch.

We know, though. We get it. She's looking for the name the prophecy calls Lyra. Yeah, she's like, what's going on here? And then, speaking of Lyra, Lee and Lyra meet each other. Lyra's walking around the square and Lee's just out there announcing he's looking for a bear. Yeah, he's kind of rude to her almost at first. A little avoidant.

And I mean, you know, I understand. I was surrounded by kids last week, so I understand uh but he tries to avoid her to ask quorum instead of her where eoric is and quorum's like nope she's the boss i thought that was so fucking funny quorum was just like nope you better ask her not me and lyra refuses to tell lee where eoric is she's like i can't trust that you won't take eoric from me from me and we need Eeyorek. And then she just like trots right off. La la la. The scenes where Daphne and Lynn are together as Lyra and Lee, I feel are the ones where

you really get to see Lyra from the books. Because you get that childlike wonder, right? Because Lee really brings that childlike wonder. He brings the big air balloon and, you know, he's up in the sky with his rabbit and his Indiana Jones outfit. And Lyra and him have that twinkle in their eye when they interact. And it really worked out well between Lynn and Daphne in the show. Farticorum tells Jon Faw about how he heard of a prophecy.

Then Kaisa enters. Kaisa greets them and calls Farticorum Coram Van Texel. I thought that was so cute. I like decorum coram van texel i thought that was so cute yeah i like the coram van trexel i like kaisa's voice he's so i don't know chipper improper he sounds like a wizened nerd i know it's very cute it's adorable and you know what i was gonna be upset about the guy or falcon but it's fine. I get that the goose looks silly. I really wanted it to work. But the Geier Falcon's cute enough and whatever. It works. It works. I understand. I think a goose is an inspired choice.

But at the same time, I understand that, you know, people have been bombarded with commercials of talking geese for insurance commercials this whole time and there are like associations with it yeah and also like the the i think production i forgot which person it was exactly they actually did try they did try to make kaiza a goose and they're like it didn't work but they did what they could and i get it it. I'm fine. I like the voice. Well, Kaiza is still cute in this form and fierce. Kaiza sends Serafina's happiness to them and asks if they're making war. Kaiza says Serafina will help them, but that some clans, like Fardercorum expected, will not help, as they're still allied with the Magisterium. Kaiza tells them that Bolvanger is where the children are being held.

The fields of evil. I love the line that Farger Coram says here when Kaiza asks, so Seraphina, Peckle wants to know if you're going to make war. I'm sorry, Chloe. And Farger Coram says, if it takes war to get our children back, then we are ready to wage it. And based on what we've heard about their relationship earlier, these are, I think, the exact words that it will take to move Seraphina. Because Seraphina wanted to wage

war before. She was ready to wage war against the goddess of death to wrest her child, her son, back. So that characterization of Seraphina matches exactly in terms of motivation but it also aligns her with some of the other quote-unquote heroic position figures in his dark materials such as asriel who's out here trying to wage war against god or even lyra who would face death and overcome death in order to find Roger I like that yeah it does set her up to be that person that uh that renegade basically which is what Hester calls

Lee and herself many times so uh they uh when they steal the ring off of the guy in the north when they're looking for Grumman and they before they find him they steal that ring off the magisterium guy

the shaman the shaman guy I think god what is his name yeah they steal the ring off of him and Lee is and this is something I really liked that showed in Lin-Manuel in this that whole you know him oh I don't want to kill

and it's not for me he says to hester you know like oh i don't know about stealing this ring hester and she's he's like i'm not a villain i'm not a bad guy and hester says lee we're renegades we need that you don't know if we're gonna need it or not so take it just in case yeah i thought that was really well shown in the show so far yeah lyra is watching the northern lights with pan and wondering aloud if this is what dust looks like she sees something within them resembling a city but then it's gone within a few moments she wonders if it's the alethiometer pushing them toward roger and then she wonders if roger is cold tony costa joins them talking about billy

in the same way they watch the lights together talking about how they're gonna get them back oh yeah i really is it a ship because i think it's a ship i don't know if it's a ship but i don't discount that there's tension i wonder if it's part partly that they're showing that lyra's growing up so it doesn't come out of nowhere right when she that's what i was feeling things for will and i think that's that's true of growing up i also like billy not billy i also like tony saying that he thinks about billy all the time he was even thinking about it when he was on the toilet i was like i think about a lot of things on the toilet i feel that i really hard oh my god i don't know the whole time I was just like

kiss kiss kiss under my breath because I really thought they were gonna I don't know it's just the way they were sitting they can't because her first kiss is what saves all the dust well maybe this is what makes it so we only need two seasons to finish three books

oh my gosh instead of four seasons. Now we know what happens when you try to cut seasons off of a story that needs more. Chloe. Do we, Aliana? Do we? Sorry, I only know one HBO show,

and it's His Dark Materials. Just kidding, it's a BBC show. Lee and Hester are seeking Eorik. He turns them down once more ashamed of the bear he's become in the last three years and he sends them away that brought some tears to my eyes i'm not gonna lie i was sad for him yeah i i was like sandor no it was a good scene i wanted i wanted to see lee hug yorick's enormous snout, but it didn't happen. He's just so fluffy, okay?

Yeah, he's got a nice little cute butt. Yeah, and as Lee said earlier in the episode, nice cute little nose. It's true, right? You see someone and after a long time, you do kind of want to share a bit of yourselves, right? Of where you've been. see someone and after a long time you do kind of want to share a bit of yourselves right of where you've been i think it felt very true of two old friends meeting each other again but i also just really like the line to completely ruin the mood where lee was saying you know some people look better naked yorick and you don't yeah lee was kind of a little smart Alec, for sure. Good lines.

I loved it. Lee then tries to negotiate with the Sussleman once more. He tells the Sussleman that technically he owns the armor and that he's chasing the debt. Then the Sussleman shows him a receipt from the Magisterium buying the armor back. Yeah, Lee starts to cite this possession of goods act. He's sweet-talking, bribing, and the Sissleman is offended

because he thinks he's being accused of something. So he puts a gun on the table, offering it to Lee, almost as if to kill the bear, but Lee shames him instead and leaves. And this felt very Lyra to me, this setup right here of Lee kind of deceiving and

being like ah the possession of goods act actually means this and uh it just reminded me of lyra when she's really going at it when she's really in the zone yeah absolutely so what lee scoresby does here is actually again very much inspired by a scene from Once Upon a Time in the North. In Once Upon a Time in the North, Lee tells Yorick, watch my back for a second, I'm gonna spin a yarn. So for when I watch this, because I'm foolish and gullible, I was like oh wow amazing he knows so much about law, but that's not what was happening. he's spinning a yarn as he says here and in once upon a time in the north lee's talking to someone about some cargo and says well mr argard suddenly improvising happily i think you should keep your law up to date this letter is correct as far as the merchant shipping act 2.303 section 5 is concerned

absolutely correct sir and i congratulate you on the terse and manly eloquence with which you have expressed this fragment of correspondence. However, let me remind you that a subsequent piece of legislation, the Carriage of Goods and Cargoes Act of 1911, Part 3, Subsection 4, Miscellaneous Provisions, specifically and by name supersedes the Merchant Shipping Act by stating that the right of a carrier to load his cargo once the bill of lading has been signed and countersigned, and I stress that, shall in no way be impeded, obstructed, or prevented by any provision of any previous act, notwithstanding any local interpretations that shall be put in place. Now, Captain Van Britta, have you such a bill of lading? And so he just like goes on like that. And that and so yeah he just bullshits i i like that they pulled from that it shows the care that's gone into putting these episodes together yeah absolutely and again that is the spitting the yarn that's exactly what lyra does right

and that's when pullman has his most fun when he's writing that so love it love it love it love seeing it in this medium um I just love that Thorne is pulling from all of these places Coulter is preparing for her trip north she's looking very fabulous uh she declines help from her demon as she studies and writes to a northern king john snow i mean iofur i i do like that it's an interesting scene of mrs culture's humanity just because she's just like the rest of us right she has to practice her speeches i guess unlike lyra and lee whatever but i practice my speeches as people should you practice your bits right

yeah absolutely and I do think that there's so much to glean from her character here and what she's doing with Eofor Ragnarsson and what Lyra does later with Eofor Ragnarsson yes you're more like your mom than and what Lyra does later with Joffrey Ragnarsson.

Yes. You're more like your mom than you know, Lyra. I'm sorry. It sucks, but it's true. But before that, one of Lyra's twenty other dads, Jon Faw, he's ready to leave, calling Yorick a lost cause. Lyra argues, but Jon Faw

is the final word, telling her that her father's been taken prisoner guarded by armored bears in svalbard lyra argues it's more reason to have him on their side and john faa argues that his true nature is savage so she pulls out her alethiometer she's like no he's fucking not i'm gonna show you and john faul is like okay but he still killed people and you know it yeah john paul's like here's some adult truth he's an alcoholic asshole yeah and i'm like sandor did nothing wrong except he did one time um no i felt like this scene was a little bit off it was better the second time i watched it but i felt like john paul was a little harsh unnecessarily and i don't know if that's supposed to up the stakes for getting lyra north to do what

she has to do but he was less charismatic rough leader in this scene and more just mean i understand the position without that extra harshness uh the resolve later on made it feel doubly weird to me that it just didn't feel like a worthwhile resolve for that weird fight. Yeah, I think the position he's in, as you said, is part of why. I think it's true to John Faw in that even in the books, John Faw is presented as the skeptic. But you're right, it's a little harsh. right it's a little it's a little harsh it just came off really harsh and i don't know if that is the acting or if the writing or the directing or what but it was just very strange it didn't feel like how i thought john fa would speak to lyra ever yeah tonally he usually treats her more like

a child but maybe he's just at his end of his patience here. I don't know. Babysitting's hard. Lord Boreal then confronts Father Pavel. He wants to know what Mrs. Coulter asks the alethiometer and threatens Father Pavel, saying he knows about his dirty laundry. He demands his own question of the alethiometer, wanting to know what Stanislaus Grumman discovered. Then he blackmails Father Prevel for his reading, leaving with plans to return. This scene dragged a little, in my opinion.

I worry that Boreal's gonna finish book three before we even get to book two at this point. I know it's not how that works, but it feels like it. I feel better about it again on a second watch, but this one was probably my least favorite scene. It's kind of getting to a point where it's obvious what actors' contracts

dictate they have to be in certain episodes or not. Yes, I did think that both of the actors did a great job acting off of each other in this scene. Oh, yeah. I think I really liked it just for that. Yeah, the acting's great. I just think the story's

maybe unnecessary. I'm interested to see where they go with it. Yeah, I think the one nice thing, and so here's my biggest concern and why I say this. What's Lee gonna do all next season?

Just heavy hand the same crap that we're learning right now about Stanislaus Grumman? That's my problem with it. And it's something I noticed while rereading The Subtle Knife that Pullman does a lot of backhanded, like, I said this in the last chapter,

but now I'm going to say it from a different point of view in a different chapter here in a different order and he'll say like the last chapter it'll be stanislaus grumman did this and he walked between worlds and then the next chapter will be with lee and it'll be uh but stanislaus walked through worlds which is why he did this and it's like the same sentence just barely changed. So I don't know. I'm wondering if that's like a visual version of that. You know what I mean?

It's like, okay, what's going to happen next season? Is it just going to be Lee going through the mountains, learning everything the audience has already been told? I think there's that. But also there's a lot of opportunity for more just because I think that some of the pacing of the books, there's a lot of information in it, which is why it can stretch out so far, but also because it just keeps going from one thing to another. And a lot of it, of course, follows Lyra and Will,

and I think there's room for there to be more stuff for Lee to do. I don't know. I hope so. We'll see. We'll see. Pan reminds Lyra that, you know what, you can look for Yorick's armor in a different way. Huh. Really? What way is that? The internet.

She's got a cell phone now. Hester tries to talk sense into Lee, but he's refusing to leave the town. In walks Lyra, who says she is representing Jon Fah, to hire him. She's not. She was literally just told to not do any of this, but here she is. Lyra tells Lee that a fast hand and bluffing magnificently can sometimes win,

and that they need him and the bear. Lee helps crawl Lyra to the answer. The city is actually who's stolen Yorick's armor and he's nothing without his armor. It's like Hester to Lee. That's his demon. That's all Lyra needs to hear. She leaves. She also steals Lee's bacon on the way out. Good for her. And she goes to find Yorick and tell him that she can find his armor. She asks why he can't just make new armor, and he explains it's made of sky iron

and that he made it himself. She shows him her alethiometer and says she'll use it to find his armor if he comes with them. He agrees, but says he has a right to take vengeance against those who stop him from getting his armor back and that they will die. She asks the alethiometer where the armor is,

and off he goes she's very marisa in this scene she's ducking in hidden alleys that she shouldn't be in to find yorick hard at work in the scrapyard it's all really great yeah so a lot of this episode lyra's demon pan pantal, whatever you feel like calling him. Yeah, he's still in the little, like, what is it? Still in the Irvine form, but he also takes on the little foxy form, in which he is the fluffiest butt ever. It's the most important part of the episode, but also,

I think it's interesting that, I think it's a fox. Like an arctic fox, probably. I should probably look up what arctic foxes look like i didn't really look into it but i was curious if that's what it was i think so i looked up arctic fox and this looks like it could be that right it looks like it yeah i don't know an arctic fox or some kind of fox and i think that is very apt for all the trickery and cunning she's showing this episode. Right, especially with Lee, and the cards thing with

Lee is a good detail also from Once Upon a Time in the North. He won his balloon in poker. Hmm. Smart connection, I didn't think of that, so that's why he has to respect Lyra's card-playing skill. Yeah.

I like that she steals his bacon. But also, in this episode, Yorick isn't the first one to liken his armor to Lyra's demon. Unlike how it was in the books. And the way that he differentiates his armor from her demon, his armor from any other armor, right, is that his armor is made of sky iron. And he made it for himself, by himself. And like, since this is all spoilers, right, you all know that Yorick Burnison is a king, and he lost his armor before when he was disgraced and stripped of his kingship. And so he made himself a new armor in Nova Zembla from that sky iron but typically

according to Once Upon a Time in the North because I'm not going to shut the fuck up about it this episode a bear's armor is made piece by piece at a time as they grow older until they are adults and then they have a full set of armor and so I think that you know going with the metaphor that yes their armor is like their demon, is like their soul, and that idea of making yourself piece by piece as you get older, I think that's a great metaphor for growing up in adulthood as well. And if you think of it in terms of the self, Yorick, he lost his armor, right, in that fight, and ends up in doing so losing his identity. Someone takes it from him when they hurt

him and so he has to find himself again he has to try and remake himself but he stumbles he loses himself still again and finally with the help of friends because friendship's important emotional support's important he finds himself no but that's really what it is emotional support no it's true it's the friends he made along the way. It really is. He made these friends along the way, but actually, though. Eoric is tearing apart the town, looking for his armor. Lyra and Pan chase after him.

The alleyways are caving in on them. Eoric runs into the building, and Magisterium men begin to surround the square with guns. One of the men falls out of the window screaming and Eoric exits with his armor fully on, looking very majestic. He begins to bull over the men, charging at each of them in turn. He has Dudley Dursley beneath his paw when Lee and Lyra attempt to stop him in turn. Lee tells Eoric these people need their help and that they need to go with them eork finally leaves the sissleman and they sail off with kaisa following above them another great lee moment where he tells us this one oh nice to see you again you're looking well he's like yeah under york's foot

it was very funny he definitely had some great humor some great great great humorous moments very good i think it's a much needed lightness especially in the past few episodes and the future few episodes yeah that's true it does need his balance i love that lee in this moment when he has like his his head on the susserman's head tells him this isn't who you are because it's practically the exact same words that lyra tells mrs coulter when mrs coulter has lyra and her demon pinned to the floor but i think the difference is that this works on yorick because yes this is not who yorick is but this is not who york is but this is who mrs coulter is this is in fact who mrs coulter is so it doesn't work absolutely it was very much so who she is and lyra was very much so deceived by

that yeah then lyra brings her new party members and rolls in deep she's like it's okay i invited a few more people to the egyptian camp it's fine it's an open invitation right she tells john faul that yorick has been lied to and tricked much like the egyptian people oh my god i can't i couldn't with this line i just can't with like all of this this these parts of the show this is the thing that i actually cannot deal with that yeah uh this was interesting yeah she's like you're practically egyptian and i'm like no so i actually liked this line but it was very contrary to the last episode um or not i guess that to me so i feel like this is something lyra would say and it's like that

ma costa would hit her with a ladle and be like you know you're not egyptian child because basically lyra goes lyra gives this big he's been lied to and tricked and cheated just like the gyptian people and he's practically egyptian just like me and i laughed my ass off at that like i lost my shit laughing because it was just very funny because i was like lyra you're not egyptian no you know nothing of the egyptian life you've literally been with them three days but last episode they literally took my cost as characterization and were like ah you're gonna tell her she's basically egyptian yeah i think what it would have been you're right lyra would say that but i also the books, what she would have done is be like, he had everything taken from him and it was wrong. Just like my dad.

Because that's the line she pulls all the time. She's like, you're just like my dad. All the time. Anyway, but yeah, I just, I don't love that, that portion of all this. And it's such a small change and it's such a silly bitching thing but it's like it doesn't feel like a small change to me because for me i'm like there's a difference in that we saw it last episode lyra's not egyptian the entire magisterium was out looking for her and none of them lifted a finger to look for any of the e children. There's such a gap in that privilege and the way that society

regards them. It's not... To me, it's not a big... It's not a small change. Lee joins the party and Jon Favreau's like, okay, I guess. And Lee's like, okay, Lyra, you told me he'd be jumping for joy and he does not look happy to see me.

This feels like a mistake! But he joins them anyways. And Lyra gives you told me he'd be jumping for joy and he does not look happy to see me. This feels like a mistake! But he joins them anyways, and Lyra gives him this look, and she's like, what did I tell you about how I play cards? And it was the most Coulter look ever. They have the same eyebrows! I'm telling you. You're

right, though. And it was fun. He still delivers his sales pitch anyway. It was fascinating. You really stuck to all the copy. And it was fun. He still delivers his sales pitch anyway. I was fascinated. You really stuck to all the copy. And I was like, I'm going to explain what this means in normal people speak. Then Mrs. Coulter arrives to the king in the north. Jon Snow?

Jon Snow for Rakinson. She dotes flattery upon Eofor, and she makes a deal with him that she'll give him special protections and royal privilege under the Magisterium in return for his loyalty to the Magisterium. Oh my god, his armor. It looked so good. It was really good.

I was like, some good armor. It's interesting that he was hiding yeah that he didn't want to see her but why though i don't know maybe because i i don't think i understood that is it supposed to like parallel Lee and Yorick scenes where Yorick didn't want to see him and was hiding? Are bears just shy? I think so.

I could see it. I don't know, maybe. At first I thought she was wearing the white clothing that she's wearing heading north and I was like, oh, it's like she's dressing up the same way that the bears look but no,'s wearing brown she just happens to be in furs because it's cold it didn't mean anything it is the same outfit it's it's the same it's brown and stripy i i'm looking at it right now it looked brown okay because on the the the zeppelin it looked brown as well just like different lighting i thought it was like more of a beige like brighter like whiter but anyway either way i was wrong okay she's not dressing

up like the bears unless it's like grizzly bear well no that's why i thought she was dressing north in general yeah she's dressing northern she's just dressing normal northern not like the bears though not trying to look like right and it's interesting that here she's offering a baptism it's like she's gonna slowly maybe ramp it up to this is, here are different human things. So it's nice that we're getting to see the whole process. And alas, the new party is ready to head out. We have Gyptians, Lyra, Lys Goresby and Hester, Eoric, Kaiza flying above, all of them ready to head out we have gyptians lyra lee scoresby and hester eoric kaisa flying above all of them ready to go and daenerys targaryen music blares in the background as they move north

it's true though it's literally what it is every week the very last scene is like the gyptians moving north waiting for dragons to fly ahead this is their version of Lyra took a nap. Lyra fell asleep again, which is all that happens in these three books, especially the first one. It's like, Lyra fell asleep. That's the end of the episode, everyone. Yeah, that's it.

And honestly, I'm a little disappointed we haven't seen Lyra fall asleep more. Yeah, we've only seen it a couple of times. Well, next week, there's a pretty good glimpse ahead of what we're going to see in episode five from the trailer. Serafina Pakala and Farder Coram seem to have a reunion. There are armies at Bulvanger. Lyra consults her alethiometer and it warns her of something. And then we flash to Lyra in the fish house. Hmm.

Hmm. I'm not ready. I'm not either. Ma Costa is holding a presumed billy to her chest, teary-eyed and angry, saying that they are going to kill for vengeance. So I'm guessing that's gonna be her arc, that now

she's gonna get vengeance and she's gonna go north and be badass with them, which is kind of a bummer but she's going to go be Molly Weasley against Mrs. Coulter I guess finally I mean didn't like the path it took to get her there but we're there I guess yeah yeah I still

I understand why they chose it I understand why they changed it to Billy but I'm like meh still on it for the reasons that I said in the first episode. I am interested, though. I'm not meh on this change. I don't know how I feel about it. I'm interested to see the Serafina and Coram reunion play out,

because we don't get that in the books, because they were like, it was too painful. So knowing how painful it will be for them, I'm curious. On a scale of 1 to 10, who will it be more painful for me or fart or quorum seraphina right maybe or nor no or not or all of them i guess me see you the answer i think you're right. The answer is you, obviously. Me over here. You know, pat, pat. It's okay, Chloe. You know, looking back to the very first episode that handful of weeks ago, what, four weeks ago, there was at the very end of the episode a teaser that talked about the weeks ahead. Do you remember this teaser?

No, I don't. It was like a two, three minute like a it was like a two three minute like or it was like a two minute trailer it just showed a bunch of scenes going forward in the season and i actually took the time today the very very thorough time to go through and screenshot slow-mo look through each shot and see what we have not seen yet from this teaser and it's a goldmine there's at least half of this teaser we have not seen yet from this teaser and it's a goldmine there's at least half of this teaser we have not seen whatsoever um

yeah stuff that we're gonna see I think very soon uh not a lot of episode five so that's pretty much in the bag we know kind of what we're looking at I'm guessing the end of next week's episode is probably going to be Lyra getting kidnapped maybe uh toward bull vanger

that's my guess that's what i'm calling i don't know what you think i think that's a good idea especially because they ended episode two with her getting kidnapped i mean maybe this other than the setting off on ships is the other new lyra napped, but also she is still napped. Lyra kidnapped, so. Yeah. And we'll include a link to this thread. It was done on Twitter if you guys are on Twitter at all. You can check it out on my personal Twitter. However, there's a

lot that I think we have left to see. There's a shot in this trailer of children single file in the snow walking outside. And there's also a shot right after it of two mesh cages with a silver guillotine down the center. I'm guessing that is at Bolvanger in episode six. We also see Mrs. Coulter's arrival, a silver zeppelin and her walking amongst the armies. That looks like episode six as well because we have not seen it we do get these shots and i had to slow-mo them and watch

them you'll have to take a glance at them and tell me what you think later because it almost just looks like a swoop but it doesn't look like a witch it looks like a swoop of like almost dust i can't quite tell it almost looks like witches attacking but there there's no witches. So tinfoil hat, it could be specters. And I would almost say it's too early to even hear of them. But at this rate, Lord Boreal is going to be on book eight by the time we get to season two. So it wouldn't surprise me if we're going to see some Stanislaus stuff and maybe we'll see specters. I agree that I don't think we can rule specters out i think that we've had some stuff in the books to point to the possibility of it being witches right because

seraphina makes herself seem invisible for a bit or i want to say that there was a desire to interpret the witches as being like wind or gale-like thing, right? In some of the concept art that we saw for the end of the Golden Compass movie. Yeah, the storyboards. Yeah, the storyboards. It could be. It could be, but also I think Spectre's isn't out of the question at this point. Yeah, not storyboards. Yeah, the storyboards. It could be. It could be, but also I think Spectre's isn't out of the question at this point. Yeah, not at all. There's a shot of Mrs. Coulter screaming, looking very much so like her demon when it screams.

And if you look closely in the background, you'll see some shattered glass and some window frames. I think that's demon cages in episode six. It has to be. Yeah, there's no other time she'd be pissed is what you know i was sitting here with my partner trying to figure it out and he was like could it be lyra escaping and i'm like no she doesn't escape that time the war comes to them basically like the battle comes to them um so that has to be it we do get two shots of James McAvoy as Asriel in the north one of him staring at a it looks like some mathematical

equations and then one of him looking upwards just in case if you guys forgot that he was in this show he still is did you mean experimental theological equations yeah I believe I did he is still in the show man he's got it made he's got a sweet ass fucking northern cabin so much fucking money doing nothing oh i meant asriel but you're right

oh meta same thing yeah uh there's a one shot in this trailer that I'm like, it was so brave of them to put it out this early. It's Asriel and Marisa looking ahead at something. All you see is them looking ahead. They're wearing snowy outfits. She's looking, her eyes look kind of damp and her mouth is just slightly parted. And his eyebrows are furrowed. I think that this shot, we can totally assume it's from the finale yeah and they're likely looking at the roarer and the way their expressions are uh i thought that was so

spoilery i can't believe they would put that in the very first trailer i know they have to attract people to like stay on for the whole season and that's what this two minute trailer was about but damn spoilers i think they also just wanted to tell the people who read the books and who watched the first movie not the first movie and who watched the movie and say we're gonna do it everyone it's gonna happen we're gonna actually give you the ending yeah and truly slow-moing and going through this trailer that's all you need i I don't even need to actually, I mean, looking through each of these shots, I've gathered so much about what we still have left. There's

shots of her walking among her armies more. There's a shot of Lee and there's a shot of his balloon and then a close-up of him and then a close-up of him shooting something and if you slow it down, Eliana, we're getting cliff-gasts. Good! We should! We needed more of these fantastical elements. I honestly do believe that. And if you slow it down, Eliana, we're getting cliff ghasts.

Good. We should. We needed more of these fantastical elements. I honestly do believe that. Oh, I do too. And he's shooting a cliff ghast. It's amazing. It's like blink and you'll miss it in the shot, but you see its arm even.

I'm like floored. We're getting cliff ghasts. I bet we're going to get cliff ghasts even more. I mean, we see them a little bit more in the later books, but I think maybe they'll just keep bringing them back. Why not? Yeah. We get a shot of Lyra falling out of the balloon. We get Asriel saying something to Lyra with a voiceover of that's a terrifying thought and it shows him looking at her.

Must be from episode eight in Spellbard. We get an image of Bal's demon the snake on the ground he can stay right the fuck away from the perry family just putting that out there you can stay right the fuck away stay down uh there's some shots from bull vanger there's lee firing his gun lyra being scanned coulter attacking a nurse and lyra seeing the guillotine and then there's a really weird shot that i'm going to speculate about right now there's two polar bears fighting each other with no armor on but later we get shots of bears that are armored in the background in eofu's kingdom so eoric and eofu aren't going to wear armor in their fight is this the equivalent of

bare mud wrestling that's what i'm guessing this is a little i'm guessing it has to be like a real talk i'm guessing it's going to be something like evil even ground or something but like that's weird maybe they didn't feel like cging the armor on them yet for the trailer yeah you know how sometimes things are different right in the trailers versus how they end up being in the episode so it could be that and they didn't want to spoil that one maybe i don't know but or it's lewd well we, we'll see. Lewd, nude, mud wrestling. The next shot is Mrs. Coulter reaching out towards something.

It makes me think it's her reaching out toward Lyra. She's trembling a little bit, so I think it's when she's taking Lyra out of the mesh cage. There's a shot of Asriel looking very dark and sinister. I'm guessing he just saw a piece of candy he wants to eat. If you know what I mean.

It's Roger. And then finally, there are like 80 shots of Eofor's kingdom of shit. And it's amazing. Slowed down. The screenshots are beautiful. The kingdom looks crazy. Inside and out. The armor all

looks great. The bears look great. It's not just like the same bear copy past and out the armor all looks great the bears look great it's not just like the same bear copy pasted around the room the bear it's amazing the poop the poop is so majestic and that's it that's what we have left from that trailer well damn i should probably watch this trailer again I don't remember half the shit that you said I know well I didn't either I had to slow it down to get like a semblance of some of that stuff so

truly you're not alone I kind of didn't want to you know I want to see it have a taste then like experience it all again for the first time you know I usually do but that felt good. Seeing it, especially right now. I'm not going to tell you how to eat your food.

I didn't do that in the beginning. And I didn't do this in the beginning. I was ready to wait to risk it all. And now that we're about mid-season, I am ready to just go full steam. Wow. Go full unbarrack. Yeah. Unbarrack. I don't think i've heard them say naphtha

though not yet not yet lyra naphtha naps things that aren't in the show as much you know all right well thank you everyone for keeping up with us and tuning in for this week's episode yeah we ran a little shorter this week for once how did that happen i think it's fine yeah so i'm sure that enjoy the brevity of this week's episode so far taking us time to enjoy with other people maybe during this weekend if you live in the US. I know that, you know, this isn't like a thing overseas.

Also, I expect that next week's episode is going to be a doozy and really long. Yeah, I expect next week's episode's going to be very long, so you guys should just consider yourselves lucky right now. So blessed all the time.

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