Girls Gone Canon Cast - House of the Dragon S3E6: Faceless Man

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

SPOILERS: ASOIAF, F&B, KOT7K, TWOIAF, ETC Rhaena Targaryen Daughter of Alyssa Velaryon Mentioned! Still no Dreamfyre, but at least her eggs? We're getting closer. Join us as we consider the ways we are correct about House of the Dragon as well as the many ways we're wrong. @ patreon.com/girlsgonecanon NEW INTRO: thank you kevin macleod and pixabay "The Descent" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Dragon Studio + PhatPhrogStudio on Pixabay  

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canaan Watch's House of the Dragon. Season 3, episode 6, faceless men. Wait, faceless man. Individual. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. It's hard to tell when they're faceless, you know? It is.

And honestly, I was like, am I missing something, are we going to have, are we going to have, I guess? like, I mean, we did have like assassins, but I thought we were going to see like an actual faceless man thing going on. You know, we still could. There's still time, right? I mean. Even though it would no longer be in the episode, The Faceless Man. But I see what they were playing with.

I don't know. There's a couple lines that stood out to me. Theme wise. Theme wise. Theme wise. Beams. I get it. I get it.

I get it. Themes. Yeah. Well, before we got into all of that, Eliana, can you tell everyone what our spoiler policy is? Yeah, so we are going to discuss everything. We are in no-holds-barred when... I don't actually know how that phrase works. We do not hold back when it comes to spoilers,

and we talk about everything from all of fire and blood, and all of a song of ice and fire, all of Game of Thrones, which a song of ice and fire is based on the world of vice and fire, Dunkin' Egg, and a Night of the Seven Kingdom. So if there's anything, like, and even... maybe like wins and winter spoilers, you know, of what we do have. Essentially, everything is fair game. So if you do not wish to be spoiled, we'll see you some other time.

Yeah, but if you're here to get the shit spoiled out of you, welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Hey, we got some emails and some comments last week from some of our friends. So we're going to pop off the episode with that before we get into the episode, starting up with our friend Zaynev. who commented and said,

Putting aside the great is-MCR emo debate, I think Kristen as Westeros' first emo works well, given the Gerard wayification of Egan during his coronation in season one. Oh my God, it was. That's right. The Anakinification. Yeah.

And then yet another great episode of my favorite food podcast, Girls Gone Casserol. Oh, my God. Girls Gone Casserol. Wow. Maybe we should have a casserole episode in which we investigate and try and understand castrules. I mean, like, what else are we going to do after Tyrion, you know? And people have been giving us suggestions, but what if I threw it all out?

Yeah, for a casserole podcast. I don't know. You know, let her cook is what I say. Yo. That has to exist somewhere. Oh, Zainab, thank you for your comment. We got another comment. Yes, this one comes from Fernando. And I'm not going to read everyone's names.

I'm so unsure if all of you know what you're doing with Spotify, who says, I have been a huge fan of this podcast for years now, and having you ladies completely fan girl about Pokemon made my heart smile. I love this episode so much, and I can't wait to see The Butchers Ball. Lots of love all the way from Puerto Rico. Aw.

And then it says, P.R. with like a heart, like, the heart Hands are making a heart emoji. Cute. Cute. Very sweet. And I hope you enjoyed the dancing you had at the butcher's ball because I did. I enjoyed the dancing that happened at the butcher's ball. It's a butcher's ball.

With premium cuts of meat. Premium cuts of meat. Man. Meat. We've got a comment from Elizabeth who said, Mountain goats mentioned, thank you, Lord Blood Raven. Maybe the best comment I've ever read. Very sweet.

Is this true? Lord, is this true? You have a new one. You have a new one that you shared with everyone at brunch of thank you, Blood Raven. Yes, hold on, let me get it. Here. Chloe won't read it to you. The people have a new one, which is using it like Obama.

Like, thanks Obama, but thanks Blood Raven. Who posted this? I'll tell you guys. this feels important. It's just splat. Zaria is my wife who said, thinking about Westrocy peasants going, thanks Blood Raven,

every time something inconveniences them, like he's Obama. So that's my other new one. That was basically this episode with like that guy being like, we will never accept her. I was like, this man literally like said thanks,

Raniara. So that's just an ongoing thing. And then we got an email. from our friend Lydia. Lydia. It says, all right, Lydia preface is, So, this doesn't really fit into any episode of Hot D or the like, but it's bothered me for so long,

since Game of Thrones, you might say. Wow. I've always thought that multiple betrothals, including one to a king, a squirehood to said king, and whatever else, Catlin, promised Walder, when he allowed Rob's army to pass back in Game of Thrones, was a steep price for just being able to use the car.

But it came up again when Jace treats with the phrase on that weird door table last season in House of the Dragon. A dragon and the largest castle? It's literally just letting people walk over a bridge. A beautiful bridge, sure. I get that it's a big time saver, but it's not the only way across. Why are the phrase so stingy and why has no one else even looked into this? I understand that they have the monopoly on this, but it has always just seemed bewildering to me. But along with that, why do the phrase want Harren Hall?

Or anybody but Alice, for that matter, she's the only one who that even makes sense for. The place is a money vacuum, and literally nothing good happens there. And the fact that the phrase wants to control the crossing and Heron Hall is just wild to me. I like Sabbathel a lot, but all they're going to do is, make a shit ton of money on the crossing fees just to try to rebuild a section of heron haul for what to die in probably because nothing good happens at heron hall well just needed to get that off my chest i suppose thank you for doing what you do seven blessings this is the sign off that lydia gives seven blessings not the thoughts and prayers she's seven blessings us like rinira does oh my god thank you for your thoughts and prayers

Lydia. Eliana, your dramatic reading of this should when you, that you got alone. Listen, I'm trying to. This was a beautiful performance. I'm trying to keep it in the front of my mouth so that there's no vocal fry. I had some when I was reading aloud a comment earlier. I was like, oh no.

Yeah. We would hate for listeners to have to hear our vocal fry. God. Our voices. We've been, there's been a comment made, folks. I think it's time to have. sit the talk. I don't want to see a Lydia's spotlight.

We just want you to know that somebody gave us a one-star review for vocal fry, and, you know, maybe we're going to vocal fry your bacon, and you'll get any. Give me another one. Call me shrill. Let's go. Yeah, call me shrill. It's fucking go. It's misogyny.

It's misogyny. It is misogyny, is what it is. It is literally misogyny. Anyway, back to Lydia's... Let's go back to Miss Lydia, though. Yeah. Miss Lydia, thank you. Thank you.

seven blessings to you. I love this email. It cracked me up. It is something I've been thinking about, right? I think the big thing is that, yes, other people could build a bridge, but before the riverlands were like a thing, the phrase were the only ones

that had built a bridge for hundreds of miles. So like, yeah, you can go find another bridge. It's just you're going to need to go hundreds of miles. And if you're like out of shit, then yeah, you're going to have to pay the troll toll to get inside the voice hole. I was thinking the same thing. I was literally I can also thinking of Frank because like, you know, I was thinking about this email also too a little after, you know, we were crossing a bridge and like there's apparently like a house

built into it and therefore it's like very inexpensive if someone wanted to buy that house. And people are like, whoa, even I could afford that maybe. I don't know. But I do you think Karen Hall is like a very, it's like a very, I don't know, it's a very heavy-handed metaphor obviously because of course men want it women want it people want it they thems want it everyone wants harin hall but they don't want what comes with it the emotional baggage the drama that comes with harin hall but they want the status look at little finger right oh yeah i mean little finger and hair and hall like i think that's the most and janof slint but like the fact that it is so easily passed around in the main series and for nothing i think

it's like heron hall it's because it's kind of associated with if you have heron hall you are kind of like a rival lord paramount to the tullies that's kind of the implication or like for well but that's like the other point of the tullies getting river run right like at first like everyone's like no why would they question mark like they're just these dudes just these little guys but then they do they come in they get the riverlands Agan's like, yeah, I'll reward you. And so it's an interesting balance because everything they've been told about winning, like you need Heron Hall, you need to be powerful. Agan roasted the concept of it, right?

Like he absolutely roast the entire concept of Heron Hall being important with his dragons. It does make sense like in a post-dragon world, right? Because then Haran Hall is once again, even in its decrepit state, as we see during the aria chapters, it's still like an incredibly strong fortress and place to hold your armies, right? And as we've discussed in the past, it's kind of the biggest party venue, the biggest event hall that you can have for like, like, Knighthood Con, uh, a.k.a. Turny at the Hair Hall or or like Succession Con, you know, as we saw at the very beginning of potty. Yeah. So like there's, There's that.

And I think that the phrase wanted, as you said, they want it because it symbolizes old, very old power. And the phrase have always been kind of grasping for that. And as for why the people want to get, I mean, you know, there are other ways around, but especially like in a Game of Thrones, I think it's very clear that for them, time is of the essence, right? Do you risk coming around and like letting the other faction be able to coalesce their forces to withstand you?

Or do you want to get there ASAP so you can go protect your dad? Which, like, no one makes it in time for. And then we've, you know, paid the troll toll. And we've sacrificed this boy's soul. We did. Much to think about, yeah, that symbolism of the Riverlands in general and what they are. And, like, I think that's a great lead-in. So thank you, Lydia, to talking about Christian Cole's death rip.

Christian. Sir Christian Cole Under the Light of the Seven I think there is something great there about like knighthood and you know I really enjoyed that fun honestly this was something that worked for me not everything in this episode we're about to talk about

worked for me there's definitely some stuff to critique that we're going to get into but also like it was fine I think it was just a fine episode but I'm just feeling the eight episode six episode really if we want to get technical run this season.

And I know that, like, we need to build up some stuff for the next two episodes. But, yeah, there was a lot going on in this episode. And I don't even know that I've digested all of it yet. And it might turn out to be, you know, I think of, like, the Green Council. I didn't love the Green Council when it first aired. And now on rewatch, it's actually one of my favorite episodes of season one at the end. I actually feel like strongly there were a lot of great episodes there, though they maybe, ha ha, they needed maybe some extra time to marinate,

but there were definitely some good episodes at the end of that season. So IDK, IDK, we'll find out how I feel about it, maybe retroactively later on. But I enjoyed the focus in this scene and how this scene started with the horror element, the zombies coming back to life, the walkers, the feast for corpses as they rise to fight the Reachmen and Kristen Cole. I thought that was very fun. I like the horror element that they keep hammering on in battle in the river,

between the riverlands and between the reach. Yeah, it was giving, especially because it's at the beginning of the episode, a Game of Thrones prologue, which, you know, to be fair, David and Dan, I guess, actually did give me that to give them their flowers every now and then. But, yeah, I thought this was well done and, like, that they kind of got. it over with, like unceremoniously, I think fits with like making, yeah, making it the way that it's portrayed matched the whole point of it. Yeah, yeah.

Like, that is something I loved. I loved the meta of it. I liked the unceremoniousness. But I also do still think that Kristen got his due for the scene. Like, upon rewage especially, I really love the balance of it, the pacing of it. fun we had black alley no one knows who she is except me and you and that's okay

she's our secret she's our little secret you know I sat there just going oh black alley Wimba Wimba Wambola black alley Which is pretty much everything I do every time she's on screen but again she really doesn't

fucking do shit right now in the books quite frankly yeah she doesn't do shit until basically about this time and then like she starts becoming a character. So I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that.

I loved Kristen dying with Allison's favor. Felt kind of Ragar's death, right? Dying with a woman's name on his lips, sinking to his knees and then dying and nothing mattered. And I did enjoy seeing him in action with his morning star, considering we haven't really seen him in battle with his morning star since the beginning of the show. So it was kind of nice considering his first entrance. And I love the behind the scenes bit that they filled the morning star. with fake blood. So on impact, when it hits people, like, it explodes the blood. Yeah. I did think that was cool when I would, like, watch them show it in the house that

dragons built. And it goes, and I was like, wow, they come up with everything. It's the biggest gusher, you know? It is kind of gusher shaped a little, if you think about it. A lot to think about. I love gushers. Wait, you were like me, like you weren't like a snack, snack. household, right? I don't. I don't know. Like, I am not as much, but then I've started getting more snacks, and by that, I mean, Trader Joe's has, like, a really good strawberry sourbelts deal.

It's, like, $5 for, like, a lot. See, if you didn't like the snacks my dad liked, then you didn't really have snacks, was how my household worked. So, like, my dad liked chips or Doritos and, like, Coca-Cola. know, like, that's what my dad liked for snacks. And like, that's fine, but that's so... I didn't get gushers. In fact, if I went to someone else's house, the family with the finished basement and the gushers, that rocked. That was crazy. That was like, that went crazy hard. So I would like a little Kristen Cole gusher. I think they got it every now and then.

But, like, honestly, like, gushers are not good for you. So that's probably why we didn't have so many. You're not a dietitian and you can't make that statement. This feels false. Don't listen to her with your health. Is this true Lord Blood Raven? Is this true Lord Blood Raven? Are fruit gushers unhealthy Lord Blood Raven? Lord Blood Raven.

We should think about which gushers Lord Blood Raven would like. We can talk about that in a Night of the Seven Kingdoms when we get back to that. But I did like, what was kind of fun about this scene is you see Chris and Cole. He's using the Morning Star. then he switches quickly to the sword, then he switches to the dagger, and he very seamlessly does it and actually, you know, in a literal sense, kicks ass. And I'm like, okay, okay, I can see why you might tell people, I'm the greatest fighter in the Seven Kingdoms. I'm like, I mean, maybe you fucking are, dude.

Like, he's one of the few people in the Seven Kingdoms, right? A lot of the Dornish folk, like, have that experience, but he has actual combat experience. that was laid out to us in the first season and is part of why Rainier chose him to be part of the King's Guard. And, yeah, like, the whole point is, all right, so you're the greatest fighter.

What has that given you? What has that gotten you? And I also will say, like, quick thing, like, combat experience is an interesting reminder in the context of, like, them bringing in the Vulture King, I guess? Are we sure no one's listening to our folding and Dorn episodes? Anyways. Anyways, I was thinking about Kristen Cole in the car a few days ago. Were you?

I was. Were you? I don't know why. Go on. I was thinking because I was like, or was it when I was washing dishes. I don't remember, something like that. And I was like, all right. Time's not real.

Chris and Cole. And I was like, okay, so like, we're talking about knighthood. We're talking about ideas of chivalry. And like, yeah, he sucks. but at the same time, what is it that makes us... I understand within our own value system, we're like, yeah, it's fucking rad that Brienne acts as a very true knight and it says no chance, no choice, sticks with this crazy quest and plan, even though it seems like it's going nowhere,

A, to defend the children, B, to find this maid of 3 and 10. It seems hopeless, it's going nowhere, could lead to her death, right? And like, essentially, Kristen is doing the same. same thing. He's out here on a death march, right? Like, he's out here. He knows he has no chance and no choice, and he's sticking to what he's supposed to do in regards to what he thinks knighthood is, which is carrying out the orders that you were given, defending the honor of the crown that you have, and carrying that lady's favor, right? He does all of the trappings of knighthood in that way. And in some ways, like, truly believes it, as we see.

when he talks to Kristen, and yet he doesn't defend people from the raping. It's also at the same time, hollow. It's an interesting, interesting dichotomy. And we're going to get to it when we get to, like, Damon, the rogue prince, but like a lot of like bootstrap mentality, helping the week, but also what defines the week and why can't they help themselves in some aspects and like, who deserves helping and just all these concepts? What does it fucking mean?

What you choose to uphold versus what deserves to be upheld? versus like why it deserves. I don't know. What does it all mean? That's like fun about Kristen. Sound and Fury signifying nothing. Yeah. Which is like real.

That's true. And I do think like his character actually had to your point a lot of dimension. A certified Jamie Lanister hater. Number one. That's me. I've won that title. It's been very difficult to uphold it over the years. But you know, they've just let me have it because they know that I hate him more than anyone else hates him.

and it's special with Kristen too. It's similar. It's like all those hypocrisies living within all those vows, they make you swear and swear, when does it matter, when doesn't it matter, when does anything matter? I don't know. I just don't know. I feel similarly, Kristen. Yeah. It was kind of touching, watching. I think they've done a lot of very touching houses that dragons have built, have constructed, you know, as they do send-offs for like all the characters. You know, they did it for Jace, at the beginning of the season, and they did it with Fabian, because, you know, he's been there since the beginning, and he did a great job. He did a fantastic job. He seems like a fun, cool guy in those behind the scenes, and I like that he likes a Philly cheese steak and was educating

the rest of the cast. I'm never going to forget your service, Fabian Frankel. Yeah, I loved when he was saying goodbye and, like, all the good times. he had with them and he was talking about each person and he called Olivia Cook Cookie as her nickname. I was like, oh my God, they were friends. So I will say, I think he's going to have such a fucking great career. I hope so. He's very talented and very beautiful. So he's going to go far. Which reminds me I need to go watch Supergirl. Did I miss it? Isn't he in task? No, I was talking about Millie Alcock. I knew where you were going with that, but is any in task or am I making that up? I don't know what that is. No, he is in TASC.

Task is like a Philadelphia TV show with like an FBI presence in it or some shit. Yeah, it's crazy. That's why he's been in Philly. It's crazy. That's why he was in Philadelphia, maybe. That's why I was trying to connect the dots. Oh, that makes sense.

I don't watch it. I live it. I don't need to watch it. I clearly have never heard of it. Some people really are into it. It's not, you know, like I said, I live it. I don't need to watch that show. Sometimes you just don't hear about things that you're not always a target audience for, I guess.

I don't know. Not everything is about me. I just don't think that's true. I know, like the internet wouldn't let you believe that, huh? Really like the development we're getting with Oscar Tolly, like the Tully Catholicism, but the Rob Stark scrappiness and then like your big, good, great John character with you. Yeah. Really fun. Love that.

I love a storm of swords and a clash kings. Kristen kind of died like Jace in a way, right? Yeah. Yeah. It kind of really stood out to me that he goes the same way as Jace. Yeah. I feel like that was, I feel they've been very intentional with their visuals and their cinematography. And that felt potentially intentional to me.

Yeah. And I thought they did it in a, like the way that it even hits, like in terms of the beats of it and the shock and everything. Oh, it's not even just like Jace. it's a little, you know, you're talking about Rob Stark. It's a little Rob Starkey. And I actually don't, this is a hot take, because I was pretty upset about the lack of inclusion of some big lines, such as in a Night of the Seven Kingdoms.

I don't mind. I don't mind that they didn't include the line of how no songs will be sung about Kristen for this one, because I think that the very unceremonious nature of how he died, right? how swift it was and kind of, matter of fact, felt like they were showing that to us instead of telling it. Yeah, I agree with that. I very much agree with that. In fact, I like more when they do that, when they show instead of tell on this show.

Every now and then there will be lines that I think should have been included, but that was not one of them. And it does make me think of this idea of, like, the fact that no songs will be sung of him goes back to something that your roommate and you have talked about a lot called Men's Lives Have Meaning, Not Their Deaths. About another Dornishman, Quentin Martel. I connected them. Who it turns out the story, it's not about him either.

He learns he's not the main character, just like Kristen Cole. Yeah, he was trying to, he was banking it all on having this like one big, epic death go out. and that's what people would write the songs about, right? And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, your life is what should have had meaning. They're not going to sing songs about you because not only did your death, like, you don't get to, like, plan that. No one gets to really plan their death and, you know, unless, like, certain circumstances and maybe, like, I hope you're okay. But, you know, like, he was pretty, he was, he had a shitty, he lived shittily, right? And therefore, no one's going to sing songs about you because you lived shittily.

You didn't do anything to sing about. Like, there's nothing to sing about. Yeah. There's no life. There's no L-I-V-I-N, bro. Like, you gotta live. And you gotta live. Yeah.

I bet they would have sung songs about him if he had been like a queen maker, you know? Been like, wow, we're going to sing about feminist. That's something to sing about, yeah. Yeah. You know, on rewatch, I really like the way they frame the scene and how it ends, too, the way that we flash to the queens. in the walls and the guards finding Alicent and Helena because

like, you know, all of that for naught, it feels like, right? As he dies with the whisper of Allison's name on his lips, holding his favor, her handkerchief, you know, as he bleeds out, there they are getting caught by Reneer's guards, they're not escaping. Helena, Rip, she's next, bitch.

Oh, yeah, true. You know, like, all of this for not. All of this for not. Just a waste of life that this entire. battle was a waste of life. There's an alternate universe where they're all just hanging out, partying in the Red Keep. And then there's not. The alternate universe where they're all in like, you know, high school of Thrones. Oh my god, stop. I'd watch that. I would watch, where is Hot D School of Thrones? Tell, hey, Ash, what you're playing.

Ashley Birch, you need to get yourself back into High School of the Dragon. Hot D. the people are sewing banners waiting for insert, no, literally, and we're the people,

we are the people Sanz a Stark made out with a hot dog was one time. Speaking of Sonsa Stark, let's talk about the veil. Huh. This is a certain

scene that I would have liked more showing than telling. It would have been great to have seen more than just the scene of Raina looking out as Adam and Bela are flying, it would have been nice to actually see Raina and Sheep Steeler approaching the city and seeing it's Adam and Bayla and then bolting. I get why not, because it's an expensive scene just for that, but it would have been nice to have just seen it. Instead, we are told about it. I'm still holding out on this one.

We'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm kind of curious. I guess, like, is it that Jane Irons is going to be like, no, I don't really think you can stay here, Reneyre because she's, like, afraid Raine Nier is going to find out, you know, that she's been betraying her the whole time. I'd be like, here's Rana, right? Yes. I also am like, well, Rana's too young, but sometimes I'm like, are we going to, when are they going to give me Saffic lady Jane Aaron?

Because, no, that one's like, I don't think, like, I think that one's canon. And she. No, I mean, she's gay as shit. Yeah. she looked great this episode two, as always, and... Slaying, slaying, absolutely slaying the house-down boots, I would say. Even as she watches people fall under the boot door. I kind of thought that was definitely, basically, probably someone who had reported seeing Raina would be my guess.

That's my assumption, yeah. They're covering it up. Possibly maybe, yeah. Which is, I guess, kind of the point as well of what it means to be a faceless man, you know, in the non. cool assassin-way when you were faceless, you're a red shirt, you get thrown out the moon door. You know, Raina, there's some okay stuff going on here that I think, like, you can see it in the themes. You don't have to squint. It's like there, but I am kind of like, what's it going on? But yeah, Raina yearning for a dragon all her life. I think, you know, it's nice. It's just,

like, so brief, right? Like, she's yearning for a dragon all her life in the hope that she would finally be praised and accepted. And of course, of course, of course. the dragons, like, they symbolize power, right? But it's like a, it's a monkey's paw. And as we've discussed in other episodes, especially around dragons, um, power isolates, you know, power, it, it, and the dragons promise one thing, magic is a sword without a hilt and the irony being like that, the thing she chased so badly, you know, only created distance from the thing that she wanted.

And we see that echoed in the storyline of CERC, Hugh the hammer. We'll get into that in a bit. Yeah, the trade-off of, you know, you can't have the very thing that you craved, right? Your family. In order to have this great magic, you'll have to be more alone

than you've ever been in your entire life. And as old asks, is that worth it? Is it worth it when you can't just go have a little beer, a little modello? No, fucking it's not. That's the person who would not get that off. No one. No one should control.

someone's beer intake. Look at what life is worth when all the beer is gone. That's what Miriamondor told to me out there in the desert. What is one Miller Light against the lives of 10,000?

Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Let's go into Queens Landing. Let's do it. Let's go Yass Queen's Landing. Yes. Yes, Queen.

landing. Renira cutting herself on the throne. We were all waiting with bated breath. When's it going to happen? Will it be a myth? No, it's real. I loved the moment that she looks at it and looks up at her father and just like, you know, is this what he went through? Am I him now? And then also like, this is something that is the harbinger of, you know, the end of your reign usually is nigh, you know, this is the not to get, I'm not someone who believes in superstition, but this is the superstition of like, uh-oh, not fit to rule. Will she get the same disease her father dad? Maybe this fucking throne is a diseased throne. Who knows? I mean, okay, I'm going to throw it out there, like, not in a, like, in a very scientific way, maybe? I don't like, I don't know a lot about

leprosy, but I do know, I mean, it is highly contagious, right? There's a reason, like, I don't think it is right. But they put people in leper colonies because they're like, you have to heavily, like, disinfect stuff. And, like, I don't know that a leprosy, like, bacteria could survive that, that long on a throne. But, like, I mean, I don't, and I could look it up.

I think we have the technology for us to know, and I'm just not going to tell you. No, I'm not doing that. But I also... It would also be interesting, like, if they gave her that instead of making her gain weight, like in the books. Yeah, it's not, I mean, I'm just saying it's not impossible for her to get in leprosy. Yeah. I don't think they'll do it, but what if they did? That'd be interesting.

Yeah, in the books, I mean, even if she did gain weight, like, I would gain weight to, like, I would gain weight if I were like that stress too. She's fucking like all that like all of that stuff and she's looking at she's like having a panic attack looking at the fucking statue. Well yeah, because her fucking father's ghost is the bones of that statue just watching her. All of her ancestors are watching her fuck it all up. I guess I just realized though you're seeing the passage of time because wasn't that statue on the ground I guess a few episodes ago.

So that's fun. Isn't that fun to have your father's memory looming over you? Uh, no, but like if you were Amon, then it was your mother, that would be fun, I guess, for him, right? Yeah, if it was your mommy and her giant milkers living ahead of you. All the time, you'd be like, that's sick, love. Dude, I don't know what I'd do with all those boners. And I don't have enough boners yet. That's what Oscar Tolley said, right? Enough boners to build the sept of boners.

Oh, my God. Yeah, we're out of control. We too, just like Oscar Tolly are like nine years. year old boys. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, sorry everyone. Thank you for coming to my podcast. Barathean, interesting choice to bring the Baratheans in, considering, like, in the adaptation, they're very absent after their initial, you know, duel at Storm's End. So I thought that was an interesting choice. Yeah, I'm not super sure what's going on here, because I was just like, the audacity of Boros Verathian after everything you did, it's pronounced the Odyssey. Oh, sorry.

No, I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. I don't know. I just thought I should say it. Um, but actually I was like, dang, all right, so you've decided to show your face after all this because like, you know, it makes sense that he's kind of like, wow, I really like fucked all this up, huh? And just stays out of it for the rest of the dance.

Um, for most of it, but the excuse that like, oh, he's out fighting the vulture king and I'm like, I mean, I don't know if it's a lie or not. I don't know to what extent the Iron Throne is kept abreast of like what's going on. Interesting to bring the Vulture King up, right? Like we're bringing the Vulture King up in time because he comes back a little more closer to Agen 2's re-rein, I suppose. So bringing some stormland, some marcher, some Dornish stuff in is interesting to keep relevant against the Kristen stuff.

Yeah. I mean, with the Kristen stuff, and I mean, as you pointed out, what, if I don't know if it was last episode or two episodes ago. It must have been last episode of like how much Ormond has like respect for the Dornish, despite being a reachman. So, I don't know. Yeah, I think that I, there's a lot of lore that happens in this episode. and so you get the hat tip to that and like a bunch of other ones as well. You can see Ryan Condal was like, world building. He was and I respect it.

I don't feel like he has a lot of time left and to be able to take the time. Like that's what I feel about this episode most overall. It's a very expanded episode with a lot of lore and world building worked in and a lot to make the entire plot feel lived in, especially when you like clearly have something that costs a lot of money to put on screen. which are dragons. They cost a lot of money to get out there. And so, like, people talking in rooms, rocks,

it's a great way to use up your money instead. So I get it. I get it. And some of that was really good with the Reneira stuff. I also really appreciated that, like, Reneur has been the backseat this episode and the last episode in some aspects. Unimportant. And that's okay with me because she's been important for so long.

I'm like, yes, let's do some focusing somewhere else. And we still are getting great shots of her. It's something we've talked about with like DeNaris, right, that perhaps DeNaris will become fewer and fewer POV chapters as we get more characters that are around her and as she becomes this bigger figure. Like maybe we won't have a bazillion DeNaris chapters. Have you considered that? So maybe we won't have a bazillion POV chapters of Renira anymore in the show.

now that she's a ruling. Probably not. But... Yeah, not much time left, huh, buddy? I will say, like, that is something that kind of did frustrate me, like, in regards to the pacing of this episode and other episodes. As you were talking about, like, the six episodes of it all, eight episodes of it all, like...

I don't know. There's something about it that I, like, don't fully understand and find jarring in that, on one hand, like, I do like characters in rooms talking, and I don't know if, like, it needs to be other kinds of scenarios. and I know where the plot is supposed to go, but at the same time, we're fleshing out these characters more because a lot of them, to be honest, and I was explaining this to people, I'm like, you guys, like, this person gets like five lines in all of the thousands of pages of fire and blood, if even, like, this person gets mentioned like three times, like, Ormond High Tower probably like mentioned, I don't know, three times, right? If, like, you, you did like a control F, maybe more than that, but still, like, they don't get very much. much page time. So like the writers have to do a lot of work to flesh out these characters. And yet we're jumping between all these different scenes so quickly. We get such little time with

them that I'm, I still feel like something feels a little thin to me about the characterization. I would have liked to have those like multiple scenes plots instead that we sometimes do. where you have two to three, like two mini scenes, one main scene for a subplot slash plot going on. And you have three to four of those in an episode. And this one I felt like we had like, like, even doing the outline, I was like, Jesus, what the fuck didn't happen in this episode? There wasn't a lot of, it was a lot of catch up for each plot real quick. Yeah.

But at this, it was catch up for each plot. And yet, I think like it's what you're saying, having more than one, like, and spacing it out. between episodes because it's like, it felt so brief in each of, and like I said, like I feel like I didn't really get time with the characters in a way. Like, who, what's going on here for you, you know? And so, I don't know. There's something off about the pacing in that, and I know some people find it too slow. And like, I can see the argument for that too. I'm like, it's somehow both too slow and too fast, you know? Where's the baby bear? Like, just right of it all, the Goldilocks.

I don't know. Yeah, something in the middle. There were some great shots. Like that shot of Reneira and the throne with the swords coming out like wings around her. I thought that was amazing as they came up. Very reminiscent of like season eight Danny with the dragon wings behind her,

dark angel shot. And I love that you could just like see when the voices were ringing in her ear and the blood in her ear. pounding. Like, you could just feel it yourself. I love that it drove her over the edge and that she was like, courts over for the day. Got to go. Because I too would do that. I don't know how I'd hear more than a handful of petitioners. Like, I'd be overwhelmed as fuck. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. I go to too many meetings a day as it is. I don't know how she does it. I don't know how she

girl bosses like this. Especially knowing you can't actually say or give anything to anyone. it's, that like grates and weights on your, ways on your soul. Probably not as much as I guess the woes that they're bringing her. But still, and then also, yeah, I wasn't sure if I imagined that. I was like, are those, like, is that the shape of a dragon as she got up? But I'm glad that it's real. Wings, yes. Yes, it's there.

It's very clever, very clever. They're so clever to have seen it. I was about to say that too. Yeah. I do like that we still get some good artful stuff in this show. We get a lot. We get a lot. A lot of artful stuff.

Yeah. Sabbath of Frey and Torrin Manderly, who again, to your point, people that are mentioned like four times, love that they've been pulled up together. And they actually, I'm really starting to love this dynamic in the small council. They're like the only anti-dragon people on the council, question mark, question mark, question mark. And they're like playing coy about it. but like they're very clearly anti-Dragon. A new dawn is to come, right?

You have two people on this council that don't think you're a fucking God and that your asshole doesn't like sparkle and shine. Whereas all the other people, you have like Misaria who's half used to it but very wary. And then everybody else like, Maester Orwell has been very dedicated and he wouldn't say anything bad out loud. Very interesting. All of a sudden, you're balancing out. You have Damon, Ranira, Mizaria, Orwell, who are used to. to the way things run and now you have these two people.

Buddy, I don't like dragons. Buddy, I don't care what happens to your dragons. Buddy, keep those things off of my parking spot. Yeah. It's kind of neat. Kind of like, oh, anti-dragon sentiment, okay. I think it's like, it's a good perspective to have, and it's kind of hard to, I guess, like, hear it as, you know,

the people with dragons, but I don't know. Yeah, there's got to be a dancer too of like, I mean, they got it. That's kind of the point, right? They use them. They don't have to use them. And... Like, most people don't have dragons, is the point. Yeah.

Yeah. As Sabbath Afray said, it's not the most, you know, precise of the weapons you could have. But, I mean, it's effective. Definitely effective. Definitely effective. But I love that she was sniping about it right away. Yeah. So good.

They're a fun dynamic. Give them one. like their own show. Yeah, I would listen to that podcast, and they're listening to a podcast themselves. Oh, my God. Renira and Damon argue in public all the fucking time. No decorum. There was this line that stood out to me, especially in the, you know, episodes title,

where Reneera says to Damon, because Damon's like, I'm going to go kill them all. And Rineer is like, okay, Pookie, I know you want to kill them all. however, the most effective assassin has a plain face, which you do not have. You have a face of the gods with golden silver hair. Oh, yeah. But that's the episode, right? The most effective assassin has a plain face, the faceless man. Yeah, and he tries to, I guess, kind of hide it later.

But there's like this one scene in the small council that I thought was kind of funny, where, like, for two seconds, it almost seems like Rainira and Damon are getting along before Mazar is like, this is not like a good idea. But he's like, yeah, and then we go over here and we're going to do this thing. And Raine Niro is nodding along like, yes, yes, exactly, exactly. And then like it's immediately caught off. And I was like, oh, like, we're going to go along with this like crazy plan. I guess like the most effective assassin sure has a plain face.

Unless you're up against Gwain High Tower. He's like, this guy is too plain. He is not hot enough to be this Barathean. Yeah, well, that's because Gwain has access to Westrosy Grinder, and we... And I'm happy for him. No, I respect it. I will get to that. But I wonder how effective they would all be if Damon just finally listened to Rainier.

He's very much being paternalistic about it, kind of like, in a way, some of the dynamic between Allison, right? He's like, well, I support you, because I believe I'm supposed to now. but I'm still not going to do anything you say. Great. Yeah. Not going great for the coalition if that's like the root core of all their issues too, right? Like he's still going, hey, wait, he's going rogue. He's going rogue prince.

Just redirected his energy after Harren Hall. That's true. He really didn't transform his energy. It was redirected. Because what can you do? You know, after a certain point, sometimes people just are who they are. Not all of them have the capacity for change. Some do.

But not all. Change is slow. It doesn't happen over a few weeks in the war. It doesn't happen as fast when you're that old. He's a very... That's true. I forgot. He's a man stuck in his ways.

He's in his 40s, almost 50 or whatever, right? Yeah, that's true. He's like an old motherfucker. I forgot that, yeah. I mean... It's like around the corner for some people. Not me. I'm never going to age.

That said, he's not going to. going to change. Yeah. So. But this is where you put him on things that keep him distracted, like him going and dealing with the gold cloaks. Yeah, actually, that is a great thing for him to do. Anything that keeps him focused, anything that keeps him focused on a goal like that,

where he can just like crash schools together. That's perfect. Damon's good at that. That's a perfect way to get him out of the city. Just put him on cop duty. And he does. Yeah. He gets on his cop duty.

We'll talk about us in a minute. But Damon does, though. He goes out there, the Prince of Flea Bottom. He pulls himself up by his bootstraps, and he kills not a perk in the flea. Wreck, rip, not perkin the flea. We barely knew you. We really did really know him. With the homophobia in your eyes.

Yeah. There was like a lot. The heterophobia. Going on there with that guy. He was just like, we'll never accept her. I was like, for what? No, I just meant his eye color because he was too eye color. Oh, I missed that about him.

See, I just, like, never, never notice those things. It's just because I think, like, you just don't focus on men's faces. You know, like, you look at them and you see them, but, like, do you? No. No. I don't. At all. It was giving, like, I don't know.

I feel like there was a reference there to something as well, but I'm still, like, kind of trying to put my finger on it of, like, you know, we're just like never going to accept her what because I don't know, it does make me think like what, because she's a woman. Well, yeah. And I understand like if he had said something like she beggared our city, she's the reason for the blockade and all this stuff, but there was none of those reasons. He's just like, we fucking love Darren.

And I'm like, but for why? You like don't know him. He's been here. He's never been here. Oh, I get it. This is the, this is the Fagan Danny plot, I guess. Yeah, it's like real. it's like the mash of like sons of the harpie and like all the people awaiting

Agan sewing banners for him. Yeah pretty much. It's like you thought that kid was dead, but he's there. Yeah. I did notice he called him Daron the Daring. Yeah. And I'm like, he hasn't done anything. So I guess he's earned that title.

Yeah, that's what I said. I was like, okay, but he hasn't done anything yet. He dared to dream. Or what? He dared like the old like program to keep kids from doing. in drugs. Do all. D-A-R-E.

I don't even remember what those stood for. Drugs and resistance something something. Really? I believe you. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. There were kind of some interesting stuff following, I guess, the end of Damon finding that everyone's been like murdered, which would in fact deter people And as they're trying to resign and put in, you know, they're like, I quit, notice. I thought this was interesting, you know, speaking of gender,

where Damon kind of tries to attempt to, like, weaponize toxic masculinity to manipulate those gold cloaks and just staying in his service because he's all like, well, what if you quit and people come and they like hurt your kids and especially like, and they rape your wives, right? like because it's kind of speaking, I mean, he more or less says that, right? Like, and then calls him Craven, he's attacking their masculinity, right? Because it's not even about, like, you care about these people. It's someone came and, like, hurt the things that are supposed to be yours, right? And then he has the line right after that, like, kind of cemented it for me because he's, like,

before I led you out of your squalor informed you into men, right? People joined the gold cloaks, and that's why they were, like, hurting all these people. because that's how they felt manly. That was their performance of masculinity, right? And so they're starting to realize, well, like, this isn't going to put food in the table. So they're trading in one idea of manhood for the other in regards to, like, the other, the things that you have to also fulfill to be considered a man, right? Responsibility, provision, duty as in your family.

So I was like, hmm, okay, things are happening here. Yeah, that's very interesting, especially. considering like Damon supports Reneira, does he though? But he does. But you know what I mean? Like he doesn't actually support her cause. He supports because she has a better claim to the throne than he does

and he's married to her. And prophecy. He doesn't support her because he yeah, in prophecy. Exactly. And prophecy. Like he doesn't vehemently believe that like Rinaura is the best ruler in the world. In fact, he calls her out in the small council and fights with her because she's like, well my father would have done this and he's like,

ah, and there it is, like in front of everybody. Like, he doesn't actually support her reign. So it's interesting to actually be on the ground and hear the way he's speaking to these men and what gets these men to support him, which is like passionate and hatred. Yeah. Like binding them through hatred. And it works until it doesn't. And you have a different kind of hatred binding the people together now.

But, you know, this whole, like, this whole, like, of like the performance of masculinity, power, forcing it into it in like manhood. I think like it's interesting in contrast as well with like his treatment of Ulf especially and then also the characterization of Hugh in regards to being able to fulfill those kinds of like responsibilities and then the way that he he just kind of like dehumanizes Ulf all the time and tries to like emasculate him. and as we've discussed in previous episodes like that's not going to have any consequences at all right

yeah I mean this surely can't have consequences later the way he's treating Ulf, can it? Can it? In front of literally everybody. Yeah. I do kind of like though I know I'm skipping head like Ulf and Hughes like costumes and how they feel like a superhero force

with matching kind of like clothing. Right, how they like are cosplaying Hargarians. One has, well, one is on his vest, the other it's on his, like, scarf. It's like, which part of you is going to have the superhero sigil? Yeah, to prove, to prove. I love that. Yeah, it's interesting how Damon's treating his, probably his half-brother, you know, like, what are you doing? What is you doing, Damon? Leave your half-brother, Oeth alone. Yeah, I was like, wait, who knows? Who knows? How are they all related?

Yeah. We don't know, but. All right, let's get to some of the meat of the episode for me. This is what I was really looking forward to, especially after last week our conversation about it and our queens and chains. Well, reynesant divorce arc has finally happened. Mothers are no longer mothering together.

They're fighting. Things are bad. When they were fighting, Allison grabs Reneer's arm and I was like, oh, she's grabbing the arm where she caught Reneira, where their relationship was severed in season one and they've come back together. But now she's being told to unhand her grace by the Kingsguard by Redford. Like, wow, how we've come full circle. And I don't know, just the grabbing of the arm, that connection and not being allowed to have that connection anymore, that connection being shut off. Something she did. Yeah. It's

Yeah, it also stood out to me. It was like the same wrist. I was like, ah, a parallel. She's like, this is the hand that she uses to finger me. JK, JK. Not touching, not lingering touches. I know, right? So delicate.

And, yeah, there's a lot of history there. So that was a good beat. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like, I feel confused. I feel confused also by their interactions sometimes. you know, to what I was saying about, like, the pacing confusing me. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll be able to, like, crystallize thoughts more later, but it feels kind of like...

I know that this was a criticism brought up in season two, but it feels more, I guess, prominent for me now in season three of, like, I don't know, it feels like they're having them, like, do these altercations kind of just for the sake of it, and they still feel like a little... Some of them feel hollow, except for the grabbing of the arm, but a lot of it feels hollow. I don't know, if that's just me. You know what's crazy is with the pacing, to your point, I feel like had Brinira's work episode, POV episode, Ben, episode one, we wouldn't feel this way. Really? I don't know.

I mean, like, maybe. Maybe. I'd have to think about that. I mean, I think like a lot of people I've heard criticisms of people who haven't even read Fire and Blood, they feel like they don't, they don't feel connected to the characters, I think. And want more time with them. So. I feel too connected to some of them.

Okay. That's why I'm like, I'm okay with Rainier taking a backseat. Like, I know enough about you, girlfriend. I'd like to know if Bela has a thought up in that head. I'd like to know, like, what else Raina feels besides, like, her father never talked to her and no one likes her because she didn't have a dragon. Like, I'm dying to know that shit. I'm dying to just get a little bit. Today we got some good Helena stuff, honestly, finally, some really good stuff.

In fact, like, they had the conversation you and me had last week about them, quite frankly, is how I felt. I was like, hey, me and Eliana just talked about all of the things they're saying. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, okay, so we acknowledge that, we see that, and I was like, also, RIP Maya Helena, Cat of the Canal's theory. It was not like a long-lived theory. It lasted all of like, I guess, six days now that I think about it. I was really in on it, though. I want you to know I really supported it. Like, I was delusional. I was on your side. I was too. I was ready for it to happen. Like, they cut to Allison, and I was about to be like, and then Helena helped lead them out with the cats. No. Absolutely. There was nothing about that. Girl, I thought she was going to be seeing through Dreamfire's eyes and it was going to mirror Amen to last episode having the Vagar moment. Yeah. And I thought we were going to see Dreamfire and maybe they were going to come out in the dragon pit or something when they actually got out and then get caught.

I don't know what I thought, but I was 10 shades of delusional. I'm just going to shut up and go along with the ride next time. I know. Just shut the fuck up. I was ready for it. I don't believe anything anymore. It didn't happen. but...

Still haven't seen Dreamfire. Oh, yeah. I don't know. She could show up eventually. They showed us staring eventually. And, you know, I will say, like, I don't know if this was intentional or not, but I feel like they play up the theme, so it might have been, you know, speaking of, like, the relationship between Allison and Helena, like, you know, Alison offering, like, Rania punished me.

It's, like, Helena's innocent. I don't know if we're meant to see that as, like, connected with Kristen trying to, like, protect his men and be like, just take me, I will fight, let my men be spared. You know, how, like, despite the fact that they weren't, they weren't, like, truly in love or anything, but in some ways they were quite alike. They were connected, and then, of course, you know, there's a moment where, as we talk about Helena being like, why am I, why the fuck am I here? And I'm like, you know, Misaria, Misaria lying about knowing about Helena's child. Yeah, I love the way that.

that Helena actually kind of called her mother out. Yeah. Her lies for the first time ever. Reminds me back in season two when she forgives her mother, too. And I think we talked a little bit about that last season when she was like, I forgive you for literally nothing. And Allison's like, why? I haven't even done anything yet.

And she's like, hmm. Maybe that's what the forgiveness is for, right? This right here. Maybe. And, yeah, that they finally discussed. a lot of the points of the relationship, I think, that have been undiscussed. Again, another episode where I'm like, finally, somebody is saying it, okay, that Helena asks, like, why was I doomed for my brother?

Did no one else want me? And Allison comes so close to admitting the truth, the real truth, right? That, like, in her pride, she allowed her father to proceed with his planning. She allowed them to be matched together. that in her reaction to Reneira and her pride and her anger, it was her, right? Like it wasn't.

She didn't have full control, but it was also her. It was also her. She needed to feel it was worth it. You know? Because like what's the point if you don't cement the dynasty?

Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine the fucking Otto and Allison conversation that took place that night. I could imagine her probably being vulnerable. I'm sure the boy will be fine. but he's a bastard. I can't give Helena to that.

Ba, blah, blah, blah. And like, the reactionary, you know, choice that followed in choosing to marry to Agan. Very interesting, a very interesting topic to bring up. And it made me think a little bit of like Valleia, Paya Target. Yeah, I thought about her too. Yeah. Yeah, just in thinking, like, did no one else want me? And, like, how difficult that was for Allison and Jaharis couldn't sell that girl, you know? They tried. They tried very hard to be able to get rid of that one, but it took him a while until they got the right guy and Mr. Aaron. But it's hard to sell off your children, you know, on the marriage market.

It's not always easy. And you can't just give her away. I mean, she's a princess, bro. She's the queen. It needs to be like a strong enough match, a good enough match. But, you know, it's like a hard choice because on one hand, I'm like, Allison was selfish for wanting to do all that. As we said, she wanted to feel like all the pain she went through was worth it. For her to be a queen, for her children to be, her child to be,

her daughter, the only child that she actually liked to be queen, right? But I think that there is something of a logic too with like better hear with me, I thought, than a man you did not know in a place far away because, as you said, like with Vaya like even that like was risky or as we've seen with a lot of the other characters it can go very poorly or like being scared because she she was scared right so it's like what

similar natures is really why I thought of her too like that Helena also has a fragility and a sensitivity to her yeah like what good choice do you have in terms of I mean do you roll the dice of it of like the entire show is also about the fact that like okay yeah marry her off and have children and then what happens to those children what happens to their claim what happens to her is she disinherited does it matter do those children have a claim what happens if she has children and agen still doesn't have children right like you've created a third dance of the dragons um in real time so it was it's like one of those very doomed fatalistic things that like her womb belonged to the crown.

Yeah. Especially because she had a dragon. It wasn't hers. Yeah. Like having a dragon makes it even more. You can't just be sending that dragon. Yeah. Like that same dragon had a lot of drama surrounding it as it's, for other rider,

had it all around the country and she couldn't stay more than a few days in most places because they wanted to use her for her dragon. Mm-hmm. You know, like almost all of them. So when you think about Raina, who we're going to talk about in a minute here. Yeah. But before we do that, like, let's, you know, let's talk a little bit more about some of this other, like, Helena stuff, right? Like, for example, you know, she's out here doing fan art.

Yeah. Yeah, she's making fan art. She's on Art Station. She's on Deviant Art. Oh, my God, Deviant Art. It's Bug Girl for Ler. Life, Team Green Bug Girl. Oh, my gosh.

At our brappy hour the other day, I brought up that I would love to do bug catcher Helena as a costume. I just think it would be the cutest thing. Pokemon bug girl, bug catcher Helena. She is embroidering. Bro, is she embroidering the intro? Mind blown. That's kind of...

It's giving, um, Sammy, like, I'm going to call it the song of my spider. So I'm a showtime. Um. It was the song of ice and fire all along. That's okay. Very meta, very fun. I don't mind it. I wasn't sure.

Yeah, maybe it is. I also was wondering you did like, Bobug? Is that the... Yeah, did Bobug? Yeah, also, like, do the, you know, the base for this, um, tap this, like, embroidery to, like, that Helena's doing to also be like, I wasn't sure. you know, I didn't really notice. I need to find out. I need to find out.

That's a good question. Probably we'll find out when the show's over this season, I'd guess. Like more details will come out like that. The Amund embroidery that she's doing, which also, like, again, Alison telling Reneira, Helena is putting her dreams into the embroidery. which I love that is so beautiful, so Cassandra weaving, you know, the fates. We have so much going on here. It's juicy.

It's good. But also, looking at the embroidery she's doing of Amand, he is in a giant red, bloody womb in the middle of Heronhall, curled up in the field position. That's where he wants to be. Yeah. With his sapphire eye gleaming. And there are trails that almost look like bloodlines coming. from that womb. So then over top of him is Alice Rivers,

but I found this really fascinating. She, her hair is tentacles. I didn't see that. I'll look at it again. If you look closely, as I'm wont to do, her hair is tentacles, and she's standing over him, like, black and large and beastly over him. And so he's, you know, ensconced in this womb of Heron Hall.

So interesting to keep her in mind is like she's also Heron Hall, as we've discussed, right? Like she is the embodiment of that castle in a lot of ways and that he is maybe being reborn, question mark, coming out stronger question mark. He also looked very much like a white walker. Yeah. Like I have to say, like, is Emmett getting Uron? Anyways, is Emmett going to get Uron like four times in this show, you guys? Maybe. I think so. comments, is poor Quentin going to get

Euron? Ryan Cundle did say he likes A Feast for Crows, so What? He likes a Feast for Crows, so. I don't know, I wasn't really sure. Then it said a piece for trait, not I'm joking. Thank you so close. Yeah. So Alice is almost like the great

other in this artwork and Aymand is like a whitewalker. I thought that was kind of fun. Mm-hmm. But something seems interesting with the bloodlines. Like, is that also his cum? The babies he's going to put inside her. Yeah, I mean, sometimes, like, I guess that'll, like, fix him, nutting.

Is she going to, like, save his nut? Yeah, it's very Vesnia-coded of her. That is what I'm thinking of. I was thinking of Tiana. I was thinking of Tiana, too, like, of Vesnia, Tiana, Maygor, the whole thing. Like, it's giving that. I'm like, what else, like, what would happen?

And what happens to like that, you know, where could that like manifest in like today's, the modern day of the story, right? And I don't know. I do think it's interesting. I'm not really sure what the vision is there. And I know there's more to like discuss. It's interesting that Helena sees it. Also like that as Allison pointed out, she like told Rainier what was happening. And then Rainier was immediately like believe women, you know?

And she's like, she's a dreamer. Well, and there's something even more dangerous, I feel like, in that entire exchange, right? Because Renira literally walks in, pissed as hell at Allison. Like, how could you do this? You know that I give you special treatment compared to the other prisoners. So now I have to give you punishment. I don't make out with the other prisoner. No.

Yeah, exactly. She's like, now I'm not going to suck on your neck anymore. So you're really going to feel that at night. And now you get two spankings instead of one spankings. And you're probably going to like that shit. and that's probably what happened but no, what actually happened. I mean, that was like what I took from it.

Is that what you took from it? I'm not right. What I took from that scene is that Reneer came in Renira came in and was like you better have something to get you out of trouble. That's not the words she used, but like she did say, I'm hoping that you better start speaking fast

and giving me some real info to use because you're useless. And then Allison does. She innocently explains Helena's puzzles and oddities and nightmares, but Reneira sees power and prophecy in that moment. So it's pretty clear to me that Reneer is going to drive Helena deeper into madness for her desire for prophecy and power, and that the walls will begin to close in on Helena. And it also makes me wonder if she's going to start choosing.

to like, A, not choosing, but if Reneer is going to push her to be using her power too much and if it will physically incapacitate her, I think of like Brand choosing living in the visions over real life for so long and how like for a while they were scared he wasn't going to come back out and like I wonder if that's what we're going to see with Helena, if she's going to keep devolving as Reneer pushes her too to keep giving her, you know, info. But also to me that says, we may. get some really sick, like prophecy, dream playing shit. Yeah, it actually, between like the brand stuff and it kind of makes me think,

is there something like that we don't know or like that I'm not remembering in regards to like where things are going with peace and dance of a character besides brand, like with the glass candles, right? And things like that, being able to peer through everything and like forcing someone to do all that. Dude, Ryan Condal could still give us a glass candle. Actually, I didn't think about it, but you're right, he actually could. But I think like...

It could still happen for me. Or is like Helena functioning is that, right? And it's like, what does it mean to turn someone into that? And like also, you know, playing back with stuff about Raina of, like, when power becomes its own prison, right? Like, Raina has been exiled now that she's acquired power, right? And then now this power that Helena has is the reason that she's so... So she becomes trapped and used.

And it's kind of another play on the risks, I guess, that Allison was trying to shield her from by not marrying her off. And, like, I think I don't actually usually watch the next week on Hot D, but I was watching my friend's sister who likes to watch those, so I saw a bit. And I think, like, we get hints from that, that we might start seeing that. And I am curious because we've never truly seen them interact that in my mind. and for it to be suddenly like you know Rainier using it to just squeeze squeeze prophecy out of Helena especially now that Rainier is like the gods have given me all of this it's it's a little stanness in Melisandra but Malasandra is better at you know drawing her boundaries that's interesting bringing Melisandra too is such an interesting concept considering

like the dreamers of it all and the witchy characters of it all I need to to damn do you think I have time before next week to read the entire series and the don't connect novels and fire and blood do you think that I'm I have that dog in me I do think you do um I don't I don't okay well I believe in you I wanted I want you to know that I believed in you and also like is this because I believed in your theory last week uh no I just was like I don't know why not you read a bunch of stuff and then also like Rineera I believe women, you know, she's a dreamer. And then also, Raytheir was like, again, lore, she's like, like, Dennis

the Dreamer. And I was like, I see, she's saying things to prepare us for the Agen, the Cocker movie where they're definitely going to talk about it. I hate the Marvel tie-ins. I mean, they are, you know? Like, they're not not going to talk about it. But I was like, Lord. No, you need to. You need to, though. I get it. Lour. Well, where there's lore, there's always mommy issues. So why don't we go over to Har and Herald and talk about Amid and Alice some more.

Yeah. Dreamfire eggs. Oh my God. Raina. Dreamfire eggs. Raina and I was like, shut the fuck up. Shut the front door. I was sitting here just like banging my hand on the pillow.

I was so annoying. Did you have your full focus group or just the two? I had even more. Like I said, my friend's sister. was also there with us. But, like, I didn't, I didn't, like, wild out, because I was, like, also a little tired. But I was, like, I was shocked. I was shocked that, like, this happened, you know?

Because I was, like, I never thought, I didn't, I couldn't, like, you couldn't ask me to, like, hope for Raina mention, right? In the series. And I was, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Every day they, like, give us some things that I'm like, are you looking in my diary? No, that's what I've been saying. the past few episodes, Chloe. I'm saying.

But also, like, it ties into, you know, that we get Raina. It makes sense because you entitled this section, Mommy Issues. And Raina is the queen of mommy issues, both in terms of, like, her relationship with her mommy, and then she being the mommy to area. So. Like, framing this in her grief and the loss of her daughter. and with what we spoke about last week of Alice and her stillborns and how Heron Hall like has her blood flowing in it in a way right um and and how she feels about the castle and

it makes me think of fire and blood and how Raina told jeharis like look just let me have this let me just camp out in heron hall for all my days i won't be in your way i won't come to your court and be the grieving fucking annoying sister that has no happiness and whales all day long in Kings Landing. Like, I'm not going to do that. Just let me have Queen of the West. Let me just be out here. Let me just stay in my halls full of grief, full of sorrow.

Yeah. So framing that in her grief and framing Raina and Alice in these ways. I'm really excited for them to keep unraveling Alice. I think I'm happy with where she's come to. The Jess from New Girlification of her is no longer there. Like, they're really breaking out of that. Who's that girl? it's Alice.

They're breaking out of that. I really love that. I love the framing of Raina for this. And, you know, if you are interested in crying because you also love Raina Targaryen, um, please, please check out our recent Patreon episode last month. Oh yeah. Before whenever it came out, which is winging it. Winging it.

Yep. And we did it on Dreamfire for no reason. For no reason. I don't think that it has any, no reason. There was no reason that we chose Dreamfire except for, you know, the fact that... I guess this season and Helena, but at the same time...

You just don't know how long you have someone in your life anymore. Yeah, at the same time, it is a... It was kind of like no reason as well, but... I'm just realizing now, like, Raina, Alice, they're kind of Jenny of Oldstone's figures, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And... Grief, sorrow.

Yeah, high in the halls of the Kingsmen, Jenny, Dance, Dance, with her ghosts. That's all like all Raina did, right? She danced with her ghosts. That's I guess what Alice is doing. Okay, my question is like, what are we doing here with the eggs? Because Dreamfire's eggs, you know, there's, there's the assertion that Dreamfire's eggs that Raina's, like, girlfriend ran away with. Canonical, actually, ran away with... Like, might be Danny's eggs. Are they changing the origin by being like, we have more eggs? And these are the ones that are going to somehow disappear somewhere and become Danny's eggs. Or are we going to, I don't know, are we going to scramble these?

I will say, I think that Amand prefers his eggs fertilized instead of scrambled, if you know what I mean. Oh, shit. True. Looking at, like, the history of different eggs, right? I think it's fair to say that like it could have been so many more right like I mean Dreamfire had produced several clutches of eggs all the time all of the time so it wouldn't surprise me true I don't think it's like too much of a canon breaking thing also there were the eggs that had laid on Fair Isle specifically to your point right so I don't know I also feel that George gives several different different options of what the eggs could be. Right? Like he says some, you know, you could think that it's from the east or maybe not. Dda-da.

I also don't think it's that important. Yeah. Not like in a dick move. I don't mean to be a dick to any party. I just don't think it's actually that important of a thing of where. But it makes sense to me. Like Dreamfire was a fertile dragon. Dreamfire is like, as we discuss in our Wingingad episode,

the mother of dragons when you think about it. Like, she is the mother of a lot of the dragons. So I'm not surprised that she was there for decades. Yeah. Yeah. And then she went back home. Oh, that also explains why Helena would have such a strong connection to Harren Hall as well. Mm-hmm.

It's more alive for her to draw from, maybe, because of Dreamfire. Yeah. Dreamfire is like, I don't know this place. I thought this significance. Yeah, I thought that significance of, like, Vagar. choosing not to be there, that Vagar had left or whatever. And I like the suggestion from Alice that maybe Vagar did it intentionally to protect Aymn, but also like that Vagar is gone and that's very significant that dragons don't often just like leave their person.

That felt important. Yeah, it did. Well, okay, yeah, especially when you talk about in the context of Dineries and Drogon, right? And like Agen and Sunfire being separated. Yeah, but Agen didn't... That's a theme from this season. Want to do that. I guess it was really, like,

Agan was the one who laughed, not Sunfire. Sunfire is in the ground. I mean, Ayn didn't either. Yeah. Dead in the ground. That's in the ground. No, he's alive.

Stop. I think it's happening next episode, bro. Really? Oh, yeah. It has to be. I think we're getting Sunfire back. Yeah. It has to be.

Yeah. We literally only have two more episodes for it to happen, so. And then, yeah, I thought this was interesting. thing. I don't know if Vagar is thinking that or not. Or Vagar's like, I'm bored. We have no cell phones. But if Vagar did do it on purpose, I don't know. It was interesting to me in the context of Allison talking about safety with Helena,

keeping someone close versus their safety had they been far away, right, of better here with me. So Vagar being like, actually you're better with me not being there. I was like, wow. I'm curious to see Allison show up here. Yeah. don't really know how to feel about this plot yet. I'm going to let it cook. We'll see. We'll see what happens.

We'll see. It's an interesting evil punishment. And the irony is that like she's going to go there and maybe Amid is going to, you know, be fine. Or maybe he's going to get murdered by Damon eventually. But like she's not going to have, you know, clearly it's not going to work. Clearly whatever she does because the ink is dry is not going to work. And she will know that her son will probably die and leave. knowing that, that someday he'll die.

And hopefully she gets like some, maybe Alice Rivers will introduce Alison to woke, you know, um, awaken her, woke her, getting that third eye and woke that girl up. But, and that's going to be stressed out. Like, you know, in another episode recently in our mocking J episode, we were just talking about hallucinogens. Oh, true. And maybe Allison could really use some of that, you know, really change her brain chemistry, fix her.

That's true. Fix her. Fix her. But I'm very, very curious. See how that one's going to go. All that said, it's kind of like the opposite too, right? Like if Allison goes there and she's being told she has to kill her child, she's probably going to end up at Dragonstone watching her child kill Ranira.

Yeah. Yeah, no, that's true. And the child that she liked the least, or very explicitly the least. Oh, and he's going to punish her for her lesbian. ways, let's be honest. He's going to be like, you and your special friend, mother. That's true. And I do think, I do think that would be interesting, right? Because, like, obviously, like, she's not at fault for the way entirely, right, for the way that Egan has grown up. But at the same time, like, she bears some responsibility. That is still his, like, mother, his father bore responsibility as well.

And so it'll be interesting to see him be like, dude, you fucking sold me out to die, mom. Right? Like, you... Yeah, so now I'm going to kill your special friend. Yeah, or like I was crying and you didn't comfort me. You didn't really, you weren't really a mom. And, yeah, I don't know. I do think, like, I'm, let's see what happens with this Heron Hall stuff. And I think this is one of those things, though, where I was like,

some of the, some of the Rainierre, Allison, and people have been seeing this since season two, but I'm like, okay, maybe they're, maybe they do feel a little contrived. Okay, you're right. just a little, just a little. But I mean, what can you do? Like, there's nothing to contrive. You know, like, you have to contrive something. I know.

But, like, maybe, I don't know. I don't know. But what was not contrived? Maybe it was, but I thought it was really good. It was the visual framing of the scene of, like, Amon and Alice, right? With the river hanging over Amon, the chandelier hanging over Amon's head, kind of like a crown, but also, like,

not quite on his head. It also even makes me think of, like, Stannis with, like, a crown of fire, a king consumed by his crown of fire. Do you think, like, Amon's going to accidentally call Alice by his mom's name because their names are so similar? It's giving, um, it's giving... Some of these thoughts are not like the others, by the way, I just want to point out. It's giving Buster Blues, dating. Oh, my God, not Lucille number two. Oh, my God.

I clocked that visual framing. I loved it especially considering we got that Renira one earlier in the season, right? Yeah. In the throne room when she was talking to the high septon where she steps out of the halo that's around her. Yeah. So I definitely like that. Also, we got that great line about Amon sleeping under the ice while he was here. Which I was like, oh my God, snow, Ned.

So another point for the White Walker discussion. True. Again, is Emmett getting Uron? Because, like, right now it's giving, like, Yuron Falia flowers, like, before the tongue part. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

I'm curious, because, like, Alice does seem less naive than Falia. And she even called herself. But still playing with a lot of stuff right now. That's true. This is a lot to take on, a big project girl. That's true. It is a big project. She's like, I can...

She doesn't even say I can fix him. She's like, I can do something with him. And she calls herself Lady of the Water. And I wasn't sure what we were talking about here. I was like, is this like a Lady of the Lake? Like, reference to the Arthurian legends kind of thing. Of the Arthurian Enchantress. It's usually Nimway.

And I think, like, we'll expand on this if it means anything next episode. I don't feel like digging into it now. Because now we're going to talk about a country in the Southeast Thailand. And Larry's in Egan. Yes. Agreed, though, with the Lady of the Water. I mean, obviously Lady of the Water, like the Riverlands, but also that really stood out to me very much Lady of the Lake.

I was like, where did you get this from, Alice? Yeah. Even the way they're costuming her is very, very kind of giving, like an Arthurian Lady of the Lake, like the cascading sleeve. So very interesting. Yeah, and she loves to put her hands on her hips. Well, that's because she's quirky. You can't, you know, just get it out of you.

You know. All right. Tyler and Larry's and Egan, the three stooges. I actually, very short scene, but I liked it. I like that Larry's, you know, we leave last episode after Larry's powerfully dismisses everything about Egan and tells him he ain't shit. and in this episode as they're like digging to bury the guy

Agan's like So Thailand Do you also think I ain't shit? And Thailand's like Well no no you're grease I think sometimes you have You possess the capacity to possibly be shit And like stumbles over his words

So like long short Agen literally goes with Larry's plan Because Larry's told Agen the truth about himself and Thailand lied and stumbled over his words and wasn't being honest or true. So I thought that stood out very much to me that Aegean was like, we're going with Larry's plan, we're going to Esos. He trusts Larry's.

He knows Larry's will tell him the hard truths. Yeah. Maybe he can poison him. I mean, in Thailand's like defense, if someone just like straight up asking, even if they were a terrible person, I think I would have a hard time like being like, yeah, you are a terrible person. I would like try to find a nice way to say it. Unless like I really, really hated them, which I guess like you could argue that Thailand really hates Agen and therefore should do that. But like, it's not easy to just straight up to tell someone like, bro, no,

like you suck. And I think there's an aspect of it too of him being like, all right, sure, fuck it. Let's go to, let's go to Esos. Um, where Agan is kind of running away, right? Like, because he knows that no one was truly loyal to him or followed him for him. So he's like, what's the point? Like, Westeroos is better off without me. You know, I wouldn't do much good for them anyway. So, like, is he just kind of like relinquishing that in a way? It kind of felt like that.

And then also I did like this line that Thailand said of like, it's kind of tucked in there as a little bit of a throwaway, but it felt like it was in dialogue with last episode of well as well of him saying like there isn't any one of us I venture much to admire and much to be deplored and this seems like it's one of the theses of the entire series as well

both Fire and Blood and a Song of Ice and Fire that feels in line with last episode when Darren asks about Maria is she the hero then or the villain and I think like you know

that's the whole fucking point in all of us there's much to admire and much to be deplored maybe some of one more than in others but you know that's the point Good isn't what you are, it's what you do. Within you, there are two wolves.

Yes. You can do both good things and bad things. Because the wolves have hands. Oh. Good and bad. That washes out. Anyways. You're not an onion.

That's not true. But you could be an onion. It depends on whose philosophy of onion you identify with, Melasandra's. Or Yeah Sometimes you just got to gouge out the rod That's all No I literally

Yeah I literally do that We've discussed this multiple multiple times Our our takes on like I have a peach Some of it's starting to mold But I do believe the other side is fine And I'm gonna eat it tonight Tonight

Yeah you better do that Yeah you can't get me diarrhea lettuce Because I'm already doing it to myself Speaking of green things Speaking of diarrhea Oh I went left, she went right. The two genders.

Tumbledon, baby. We'll go over. Let's go to Tumbledon. Definitely, you know, study. We had the Barathians, you know, the whole thing there. That was interesting. There was a guy that looked kind of like one of the Kingsguard guys. So I'm like, oh shit, did they send Queens guard for their, or Queens guard?

should say my bad, my bad. Did they send Queensguard on this mission? Because if so, shit, you're out of Queens Guard again, bro. They just keep dying, but. You got to stop sending Kingsguard slash Queensguard to do things. Yeah, it's just not happening. They're just dying left and right. Yeah.

And I thought moreover than the assassination attempt. Sure, sure, the assassination attempt, and it gave a good, like, catalyst. for behaviors to change in the trio towards one another, right? For like Ormond to maybe come out of his homophobia, which I'm not yet convinced isn't self-inflicted as well

for potential reasons. I'm like, wow, Ormond, are you repressed as well? Is your whole family just repressed? Yes. What's going on? But like I think it was great because it changed the way they were all acting around each other and it gave Gwain like a win.

But I was more interested in the interiority of the conversation and like the relationship dynamics and understanding what Gwain and Ormond had been through and what Darren and Gwain have been through and I really liked that. We got a couple really great lines from Darren like Darren said to Gwain, you left me alone with him. You know what he is. Very much implying to us, the audience, who have only had these guys for a few episodes,

that Ormond is a monster, as we've already kind of been figuring out. And he is evil. and Gwain knows that as well. Yeah, so it suggests that Gwain A was lying to Allison about, you know, of like how Darren's been growing up to an extent. And also, like, it is interesting to see, as you said, you suddenly see, like, all these, like, character dynamics shift. Darren and Gwain speak to each other so plainly,

and you get that different side of Darren. Like, they're very close, right? They're so open with one another. They can show anger to each other. they can be like, where were you? And there's a disrespect, but in a normal way, right? Like, and you finally get to see the real Darren because you haven't in the past few episodes. So, yeah, good stuff.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And like the revealing bit by bit what we've already picked up on that, like, that Ormond is a monster and that he is evil and that he is like a hypocrite. and he does have all of these, like, ambitions, like him, promotes the king to king. Guess what? Promoting self to hand job. Like, congratulations, shaking your own hand. I'm now the hand of the king. Especially because, like, I... Maybe I just, like, don't know how titles and, like, honorifics work and stuff.

But Darren keeps calling Ormond sire. And I was like, do I just, like, not know how this shit works? But, you know, like, that's so real because, like, some men just need to get off on that kind of shit, you know? Like, some men just want to be big. They want to feel big. He wants to be big dick, Daddy Ormond, and he wants everyone to tell him so, even twinks from all over the country. I know. I will say, like, Wayne left, right?

Like, Gwain didn't want to be there. I mean, this entire thing and the attitude, actually, yeah, another Uron scenario, right? Like, very much was getting, like, I left because I was sick of being prayed on. Yeah, I like that, especially with the line of like, then who will protect me then? Like, Darren saying, like, bro, you're leaving it. Like, it was giving, A, is Darren Victorian? Um, unsure. Or is he Aaron?

Dampere? Oh, Darren. Mm-hmm. Aaron. Aaron. De Aaron. De Aaron. D-A-A-R-R-D-A-R-D-N.

D-Nice. D-A-A-A-R-Fuck. I mean, I'm not saying it's not that. I'm just saying, but there's that, and also, like, Gwayne saying that if Duren were king, he could cast down Ormond. I don't know.

I thought all that was interesting, because, like, that's kind of Victorian's logic. He's like, why should Euron be king? Like, I should be king, and then I don't have to listen to him anymore. And then also, like, you know, playing into, is there something there with like Darren then wanting to actually step into kingship.

He suddenly does want it in the power to be king because he sees it as a way to free himself, right? Like him with his dragon and then suddenly it's, it corresponds with the other themes of like things going on with like Raina, right? Or like Hugh and Ulf, they thought a dragon was their way out of like poverty or whatever. Yes. And so what's going on here? That is. Yeah. Yes, that is like the theme, the hammering of the theme.

You are literally in it. The hammer. Oh my God. That is the hammering of the theme. You are like literally in it because I can feel, you know, for Darren, like, Ormond's almost his viceris in some ways. But like the twisted tale teller. Sorry, yes.

I realize I need to fucking clarify. I'm very sorry. I have made this mistake by saying Darren and not telling any of you, which Darren I met in the past. Sorry, I just assumed you understood me. I think I did. Darren and Ormond, in a way, is like Viseras and Danny, right? Where you have someone giving you these tales of your childhood that you will never get to have that was taken from you and, like, of your life and of your family.

But also they're toxic and he's toxic and he's poisoning these tales and he's poisoning these memories and everything. that he touches his poison and like I just keep hearing when I've watched Darren in this show like you don't want to wake the dragon do you? You don't want to wake the dragon, do you? Because he's going to wake the fucking dragon. Like Tessarian, like was about to crane her neck around and be like, don't you ever just want to go bat shit, Darren? Don't you ever just want to fucking do it? Like they were moments away. You could see it in his face. And I do think that we will see that happen. I feel like we've seen the repression of Tessarian, like literally putting her in the pole prison, the wooden pole prison that they had her in to keep her like in check.

Yeah. And like understanding, like, even though it's in the background thinking about that, like Ormond did that intentionally because Orman's afraid of dragons. So he's kind of probably shit bricks when he's like actually in battle with these dragons. And I don't know. I think that if Condole and team had the sense. I think they're going to let Darren kill the boy and let the man be born. I think they will.

For fucking sure. I think they have to. They will. And then also like, it does also even act with like, you know, when we're talking about Ormond as a monster. We're asking, we're talking about it in the context of like Allison saying like, I was afraid to send you away Helena with like someone I didn't to a man. I didn't really know and what would happen to you. All right. Well, you let that whole thing like.

blind you, right, in regards to gender. Because, like, that's what you let happen to Darren. Yeah. He's with, like, your cousin, you don't really know, and he's fucking wilding out, being very weird. And I'm like, what are you doing to Darren?

I don't like when you put your hands on his shoulders. Yeah, but then also the way that you were just correcting him and being like, Darren, what if you killed people now? a different kind of grooming as well. So David and Dan, things that they did not give us, actual book, accurate Loris Tyrell. I feel like Gwain High Tower and is the Loris Tyrell we were supposed to have of like, you know, is the Loris Tyrell we were supposed to have of like

someone who is a capable fighter, who has been in combat and, you know, seen some shit. and then also like reminds Jamie Lannister of himself and then also wears a lot of green. Could very much see that. And it was great. It was like watching Loris and Jamie together, I guess, in some aspects, right? The entire Riverlands campaign. Oh, with Gwyn and Kristen?

I didn't think about that. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we have Gwain and Kristen at home. We don't need. We don't need Jamie and Loris. I'm just kidding.

All right. I liked the intro to the Dragon. this time with sitting on the hill. I thought there was something kind of beautiful about like Silver Wing and Vermethor have a bond. Ulf is like I'm your friend now Hugh and we're going to talk

all the time and don't you feel the same way as me and Hugh is like we literally have fucking nothing in common. Please stop speaking to me. It's so funny to watch like wow the beautiful married dragons and then those two like so much dissonance. Ulf is like

she took away my bono and he was like my wife question mark my fucking wife question mark like a real thing that matters uh and also in the cat and hugh scene which you know it's pretty much exactly what i expected it would be not surprised this is literally it this is what we've been talking about with them like what's the point what's the fucking point you can't even fucking go to the bar you can't have a life what's the point of being a soldier and dedicating you're like you have nothing you have no love no life, everything's abandoning you. Doesn't matter. But like,

this is the first time when Hugh is with Kat in Tumbledon, I see the book Hugh, where we've had those lines about how he was violent and he could kill people with his own bare hands. Like, I saw the rage in his

eyes and I saw Kiernan, I think the actor's name is. I saw him like really like flip a switch and it was for the first time that I could see him. being a violent man and see like the dimension behind him other than what he's been so far with

cat with his wife like I thought that was so fascinating um I really enjoyed actually seeing them play that and letting Kiernan kind of play with that role because I for a minute like I was like oh yeah I'm afraid of your fucking blacksmith

ass with those giant hands yeah no I do I agree I was like that's kind of scary the way that he just put his hand over her mouth right because it's like it's in these very vulnerable places. Like I know that when they talk about domestic violence and stuff, you know,

we haven't seen him do it yet really, but like this is what we're talking about. Like when someone puts hands on your neck or the strangling, like you got to run. Like that they will kill you. And so that's, you could see them doing that kind of set up and I agree.

that I don't know if that's exactly how it's going to go down, but you and I talked about it even, like, what, early season two or one? And I'm kind of like, is he going to use Tumbleton as, like, you know, revenge for that rejection, as we've talked about before. And, like, that is a familiar tale. A lot of us, like, are familiar with what that is, like, the guy who's like, oh, you spurned me. If I can't have you, no one can, or, like, I'll show you, et cetera. And then also, like, you know, you're talking about, all right, you became a soldier and like, what's the fucking point of it, right? Like, that's what Kat is saying in regards to, like, I had to leave. Like, I was alone.

There was no one with me in Kings Landing. I had no resources. So I had to go to all the way to Tumbledin and then all this stuff befell me on the road there. Like, where were you? I didn't ask you to go become a dragon rider. You did that for you. And, like, I know that some people are like, I hate when someone says, like, I didn't ask you for it. But, like, you did implicitly.

I'm like, no, there are some things you do not ask someone to do. They did it for them. With the guise of it being for you. And she's like, what I needed you to do was to be here with me. To protect me on the road. Yeah, to protect. Even if not on the road, but at least if you're here, we're in it. We're the team.

And he's traded the team of his wife for, you know, a dragon, which like, I don't know, wife. No, I'm joking. but like you know that's the question that comes back to with what with reyna you know what's the point of all this power if you can't even protect or provide for the ones you love that's what the gold cloaks ask too and that she tells him about how she experienced violence on the road to finding salvation and safety in humbleton and then he exerts his power especially which this power has always been inside him even before the dragon, it seems, but also that, like, he exerts the power over her immediately and then, like, expresses violence toward her after she just told him that without him she experienced violence with him she's experiencing this violence. What is the point?

Yeah. She doesn't need that. What is the point? What is the point? She can get raped by a soldier or raped by him. Yeah. I guess that's also, like, to what Allison was saying. but, you know, it's a betrayal.

What's one rapist to another? Oh, we're talking about the two betrayers. That's a betrayal. Hugh, doing that to his wife, to cat, that's a betrayal. Yeah. Wow, the first of the betraying. And the rejection, burning a town over rejection, yeah, that's about right. Yeah, I mean, honestly, sounds about right to me.

I'm on old side, so. Yeah, same. I'm like, let, let Ulf get drunk. Let Ulf get, like, go fly and be drunk, you know. Maybe don't drink and drive, but fly and drive. No, no, no, no. Drink and fly. There we go.

I've already been drinking. Don't drink and fly. Eliana, thank God you're not a dragon rider. We've been over this. You can't. I couldn't do it. No, I'd like vomit all over everyone. I'd be like Ormond up there all over everyone.

You know, your talents lie out. swear. And I think that's great about you. Thanks. That's great. Each of us is necessary in this world. You know where my talents don't lie. Predicting love triangles. Yeah.

Or maybe they do. Maybe like we'll find out next week it is still a love triangle. I don't know. But Baylon Allen, huh. Question marks is what I wrote for this. I mean, it's going to happen. we were discussing last week the ways it could happen, but I guess this is the way it's happening.

Yeah, I don't think I could have predicted this at all. When I watched that scene, I was like, when in the summer I turned pretty is this? You know, they are two brothers associated with the beach. They do have a beach house. It's not in cousins. It's an uncle's because they're both her uncles. An uncle, shut the front door.

You've got to stop that. That was pretty good. Thank you. I came up with that actually just. now. Dude, our A-Swaff X, Summer I Turn Pretty Crossover episode would kill. It would kill. Me and you would be the only people to know about it, but it would kill.

Yeah. Oh my God, it's not belly, it's Bella. It's kind of the same. NAR. I'm on the long road with this one. We'll see what happens. Not really, you know, they did it. They smooched.

No, I mean, also, like, the very, like, you know. know, strong and silent type they're doing with Alan. I'm kind of into it myself. Good for her. That is so Conrad Fisher of him. And then Adam being so like, but hopefully he's better than Jeremiah. I mean, he's actually loyal. Um, I guess we can close out today's episode talking about Corlis.

Unless you have anything else to add about this. I have nothing to add. No, you're good. I'm good. You're done. I'm sure I'll have more jokes next week. She'll have jokes. Yeah, Corliss.

You know what? Kidnapped by the Greens? That's compelling enough because he goes there eventually. I don't mind this change. We're going to see what happens with it. I'm not really, I'm not too concerned. You know, he's just out in the woods doing shit and he's kidnapped. That's how it goes. Yeah.

One day you're in the woods and then you're kidnapped. But, like, he's got to go to Team Green eventually. this will somehow be a compelling enough way to do it. He'll probably get his legitimization out of it. I guess, yeah. I am curious. Animal die because of it, though, you know, so he'll lose another son in the name of legitimacy. Wow.

Sorry, I mean, I mean, that's true, right? Like, let's be real. Yeah, I'm kind of curious, you know? So, um... I was talking to a show fan. I talked to a show fan the other day, and I actually... accidentally spoiled that Adam Valerian gets legitimized. Oh, okay.

I think I'm going to say that he dies. And I was like, how could you? No, I was scared I was going to say that. I had had a couple of drinks. And I was texting an ex-comworker. Yeah, who cares, right? Yeah, whatever. I was like, oh, and that Adam Valerian.

And in my head I was using Valerian because like she would know the name Valerian was what I thought. And she was like, wait, so he gets legitimized. I'm like, shit, usually show only fans are like not so smart. Well, also it was easier to legitimize him in the books because you're like, that's later, son. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay.

You know what? I'm actually like feeling fine with some of these moves where we're condensing a bunch of plot points quickly to just get through it, like the core list being kidnapped. They're going to do something with it. Yeah. And I'm going to find out what that something is. We're all going to find out. I will say I love the book. behind the scenes of them singing songs at camp.

Oh, yeah. And then everyone singing along too. I was like, aw. Yeah. Yeah. And then that they talked about, I don't know, it was kind of nice because then in the behind the scenes in the mansion that the dragons built, they talked about, I just wanted to play the game too.

Yeah. It's a fun game. It's a fun. They spoke about how like, because of that, everyone got really into singing on set. So, like, they constantly had different scenes. like even during the Gullid and during other times they just had this little compilation of everyone's singing passionately. Oh my God. That's my dream. And I'm like, yeah, that's real theater kid shit.

No, it is actually for real. Yeah. I'm like, I wonder if they play improv games on breaks. They must. I wish I was there. Yeah, I know. It's so lame. I'm like, we're both being so wistful.

I'm like, ugh, it should be me. I just want to play the murder game, you know. Just feel that like finger itch against your palm and know that you have to die dramatically. That's the real faceless man. Yeah. Yeah, that's the real. That's the literal, real faceless man. Overall, not my favorite of the season.

Same. That's okay. Yeah. I'm, yeah, I guess let's see what next week on Dragon Ball Z brings. You know? Yeah, because, you know, like 7, 8, 9. 7. Remember when I, like, did not count correctly the other week?

I will never forget it. I will never forget when you were like 6, 7, 8. And I was like, gonna follow up on that or that is. I think I said something stupid. I think I said like 6, 8, 7. Yes, and I think I was like in 7, 8, 9. And then I was like, oh. Oh, that's right.

That is how numbers work. Shit. God, I'll never forget. Never going to forget that one. And you can relive. all of these hysterical moments on our podcast week by week because we do this every week. We will be back next week and we're going to get episode seven on with y'all, the penultimate. And then the ultimate the week after that, we will finish season three.

What will happen after that? We'll tell you during the finale. So get ready for future plans for Girls Gone Cannon and us returning to Tyrion, Lannister, and a song of ice and fire, but we look forward to seeing you next week. Here. Here. Here.

Right here. Right here. Don't turn the dial, they would say if this was like a radio show. Oh my gosh. No, it's a podcast. It's kind of like that, but not. You know, we killed radio, you know.

With hammers. Me, personally. With hammers. As always, I don't. been one of your hosts, Chloe. And I've been another one of your hosts, Eliana. Goodbye. Goodbye.

6-8-7. Six- goddamn. God damn it. Bye. Oh.