Girls Gone Canon Cast - House of the Dragon: Unleash the D S2E2 Ft. Glidus

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

We're back with UNLEASH THE D for season two of House of the Dragon. Tune in for a very casual conversation with our friend Glidus on what to expect when you're expecting HOTD S2, what it's like to have brothers (idk), and spectacle in House of the Dragon - what does it take to adapt from pages of a history book to the screen, and just how does Ryan Condal do it?  check out Glidus' interview with Raya Golden on Tuf Voyaging Glidus plays both the good sport and an honorable girly gone canon in this episode. you can find him online at..... https://www.youtube.com/@Glidus https://www.youtube.com/@glimbus https://www.youtube.com/@MateriaYoutube https://x.com/NotGlidus  

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon Unleash the D Season 2 Episode 2 featuring Gleidus. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. Season 2, Episode 2, featuring Glytis. I'm one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am so happy to be here. Once again, thank you for inviting me on to Unleash the D as a special guest. I'm Eliana. You can find me on Girls Gone Canon podcast.

But I think I'm not the only special guest today. Yeah, we have a third special guest thanks for joining us yes an honorary girly well yeah sorry no my co-host is here you're a pretty special guest too chloe oh oh my god wow charming who's running this ship who's here i told you that's my new co-host. Really fucking excited to have you on. Thanks for joining us. You may know Gleidus from the internet. I mean, is my thought, mostly.

But do you want to tell everybody where they can find you? Hi, I'm Gleidus. I'm at Gleidus, and you can Gleidus along with me at Gleidus.Gleidus. and you can glide us along with me at gliders.gliders. I make really stupid but somehow often profound videos about Ice and Fire, more Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon of late. But, you know, if you've ever encountered people claiming that some characters are horses, that's my fault. Sorry. Yes, yes. You did popular uh which characters are which horses unicorns etc and honestly

yeah that that was an accident that's where it's really at yeah probably we're very into the um tyraka horse theory as well so you're kin to this podcast and your food episodes with all shipped acts have been amazing um we we like your bliss takes very much but your food episodes are honestly what made us go we got away that's sick we gotta hit that guy up honestly if you call that boy oh so oh love those and you also have your secondary channel where you do a lot more stuff with music uh we love the music eliana's actually a very big materia fan i i was listening i also really love that you have a lot of dc hardcore um dc hardcore punk on the playlist that y'all put together so what are your hot d plans this year before we jump into everything today what are you going to be doing because i know last year you

kind of ran your last season sorry they're every other year you ran yourself really ragged i feel like pushing out videos and they were great videos but i just know and we did too we were very tired so what's the deal this year yeah thank um thank you first of all for saying that um so last season I had a full-time job working as a teacher and I got sick after episode four and I just started to fall behind and I died a little and then it took me a long time to recover and then I had you know some emotional issues mental shit to work through and um the result of that was you know six really good videos um that took me a year to make artist pain yeah

yeah so I'd rather avoid that situation again and I'm hoping like I can produce something weekly through the season just because I feel like you know people people want that people deserve that like I should

it's my job I should be doing that. Um, but it might take longer to produce like the full actual, you know, complete reviews. And I'm not committing to doing that weekly. Smart. Hell yeah.

I respect that. Yeah. Yeah. We were doing too much too. I fell down some stairs. It was a whole. We were doing two episodes a week. That was foolish.

It was a whole... We were doing two episodes a week. That was foolish. It was so stupid. Like, it was great, but... I think it might be easier if I commit to, you know, I have my own podcasting partner that I can hang out with just to get some easy content out there. You know, that's what we mostly do is just produce noise for people's second screens, you know, help them get to sleep. That's what we need to do. Yeah. And it's good to just do something simple too before you go too deep into it. And it's fun to enjoy it. Yeah.

Like as an actual, like you're, you know, like I like when this premiered, Eliana actually was kind of living nearby for a little bit. It was like a temporary living, a seasonal living near me. And we actually watched most of the season together. And I think that's something that really, it really spoke to me that like Game of Thrones was back, baby. I got to watch it with my best friend and have fun. And it was fun yeah and it's so cool to talk about it with a friend and just having an audience for that like

it's just so much fun need to do more of that yeah I want to enjoy it more you know content doesn't need to just be pushing content out it should be passionate it should be fun it's art yeah we might have had a little absolutely fun and like our audio suffered for a little bit but um our hearts were full yeah which that means more than anything like what if we recorded in turns out we did not have the technical capabilities for that at that time it's hard when you have like a two podcast household, you know, you got to reserve time. You got to, it's a big deal. My roommate also has a podcast and.

Intimate friend. It was a, my intimate friend, my work colleague that lives with me. Oh. Husband or whatever. Whatever. Whatever they call it. I have no idea what you're talking about. whatever they call it i've no idea what you're talking about uh okay so hot d will be a little relaxed to start we'll wait till we get the full-on takes from glidus but what uh what can

you tell us about your big journey from what i hear i think you just took something of an odyssey and uh you did something really cool with interviewing Raya Golden. Yeah, so to give you the whole story, Old Swift X and I were supposed to go to Con of Thrones last year in, where was it, Orlando. And that got cancelled a few months shy of the event. But we had already bought the tickets like the plane tickets to get there and like i don't know how much you know about global travel but that's not cheap um and so we had these united credits because fortunately we could refund the flights but we got flight credits instead of cash so those credits expired a year after the flight was supposed to happen and that was coming up and

it was like okay so we have to go to america i guess for some reason and we just decided to contact everyone we you know thought would be a good idea to contact and um then we just threw together this quick little jaunt around the united states hit up a few cities um you know bing bang boom done it was a whirlwind we like we just blazed across the country barely taking any time to sniff any roses or other things even eras tour um and oh my god the eras tour wow Um, and. Oh my God. The Eros tour. Wow. Yeah. And, um, a part of this trip was a week in Santa Fe where we did the George Martin tour. We rode his train.

We, um, we went to his cinema. We went to his bookshop. It was honestly really great. And then, um, we did meet the man himself. Are the the rumors true did you eat a burrito with george rr martin we did i yes that is what's happened holy shit yeah i know he didn't describe it for us but um hopefully you know this is relationship building a few burritos down the line and maybe we'll get a written description out of him. Yeah. I think it was the next day we interviewed Rhea Golden, George's longtime assistant, who also, yeah, illustrated and published the graphic novel version of Tough Voyaging, The Plague Star, which is an old George story from like almost 40 years ago.

Yeah, 86, I think, 87. And it's like a space opera, basically. Yeah, it's sort of like a heist movie in space, but where everyone's backstabbing each other and there's all this crazy, chaotic violence and there's space cats that like spit acid at you and there's a dinosaur it's a great story that's amazing and interviewing ray is really cool especially when you look like the adaptation of literature to graphic novel and how all of that actually translates yeah that was really cool to talk to her about we'll link that interview below as well as the the many many channels of glidis for you all to

check out if you're not already subscribed, if you're not one of the bajillion people already subscribed, which you should be, which you should be. We're so excited to have you on. This is a huge celebrity moment. We'll link some of the best food videos below from you and all ShiftX as well, because those are our favorites personally those and the blitz takes the blitz takes are pretty good you guys got to check it out yeah oh thanks it's good that they're pretty good yeah yeah they're up there you know i mean i'm not gonna rate them but no they made me want to re-record the whole season i was like i want to redo all my episodes again especially as i was re-watching Hot D also prepping for all these and I said no

so there's that well let's hope that season 2 is worthy of more of that sort of video wow okay but it's not a given like the show could get worse we have to admit that that is a

possibility no that's true I don't want to be blinded by you know um my own investment in a show but i think it's going to be good i just want to be aware that it might not be yeah and i think a couple years off is really good after going through game of thrones season by season and then the one break and then season season season like exhausting it was so yeah right it's it's very tiring and I think the way I think I've learned a lot since that show ending but the way we interact with that kind of media right like books are one thing because they don't go anywhere tv shows put out the episodes and it's like you gotta react you gotta get it out but do you yeah that's thankfully the approach i took with house of the dragon like sure the season

ended but there's still so much time until the next season so it wasn't that bad that i took so long to make those videos yeah no the hype is still there and honestly I think that break was good for the watchers too. It really is. The hype is there for all of it. Like I made my first Game of Thrones season one video in 2017. It had been six years and you know it it it's what started my channel really. So I don't think the recency of what you're making content about is that... like, it's relevant obviously and it's good to like ride a wave, it's a great way to get popularity, but you know you can get staying power from just talking about something you're passionate about. That's what most people come to this sort of content for. Yeah, absolutely.

Anyone can read the Asanga Bisonfire wiki on a YouTube video. You know what I mean? It's like it's the people behind it that actually read the books and have a passion for the art with one another that have the staying power, you know? And when you incorporate Secret Tunnel songs into your videos too, like that's what really... Yeah. Really speaks to people it does actually it speaks to me so yeah it is a strange little niche i've carved for myself and like i'm surprised how large it's turned out to be i thought that what i was doing would appeal to like 10 people across the world and I'd never find them,

but no. Apparently there's shit tons of us. There are many of us. Shit tons. Yeah, well, and you keep it light, you know, like it's kind of one of those series that can get a little heavy with all of the incest, backstabbing, betrayal, murder, you name it, go on, you know you know whatever but like with all that it can get heavy so i think that there's room for humor in it always we're gonna cover some housekeeping up top real quick and then we'll jump in today we're gonna talk a little bit about the spectacle of season two what to expect uh when we're expecting season two. Expectacle. And Expectacle. Okay, we'll work on that.

We'll workshop it. But, huh. Hmm. So, first up, up top, just echoing on our hot D schedule you mentioned last week, this is episode two of three of the pre-episodes being Unleashed in Unleash the D for you all.

We will have two more after the season to come back and close out the Unleash the D season. So this is the pre, uh, you know, the, the, the next step before we get to the mid season finale of Unleash the D. I'm so excited about our next week guest. Uh, having Glytus here is a blast. We're going to have a great episode ahead of us, but next week, I having glidus here is a blast we're gonna have a great episode ahead of us but next week i know you want to know who's coming next week because we always have a guest

always have a guest it's me eliana oh my god not you the other guest yeah um i've been told that we are getting another guest a second guest to help me because um i just need it and it's going to be our friend hannah from game of owns who is amazing i love her she loves diet coke um she does we ate oysters once together it was a blast i love that girl one time to tell you the kind of person she is we were setting up a party at ice and fire con and she was like chloe i'm gonna need you to step away from the task you're doing you're a better manager it's true though hannah's great it is true i am a better manager no no actually no no i don't know if you're a better manager because hannah is

fantastic at also but well yeah because she managed me by telling me i was a manager and i believed her at the time my god she's brilliant but she's reading night of the seven kingdoms for the first time game of owns is doing dunkin egg right now which holds a certain affinity for us as most of you know it's our first podcast together was drunken egg for drunk a swath so um really excited to have her on because she's going through it for the first podcast together was Drunk and Egg for Drunk Acewaff so um really excited to have her on because she's going through it for the first time with Zach and he's read it so they've been putting out some great episodes go check them out we'll link that below so you can get prepared for next week but we will talk about hot tea mostly so no worries if you haven't caught up with Dunk and Egg. After that, you can expect Hot D episodes on Wednesdays, but if you are here to possibly

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It's interesting so far, personally, at the time of recording, I'm probably like three quarters of the way through it. I'm going to reread reread it but very interesting we're really liking these george novellas from dream songs check it out uh and this month is tba we'll let you know that as we get a little farther into june but with that said in the thunder tier and above 10 bucks and up you have access to our discord and you also have access to events. Eliana, what kind of events do we run on our Discord? Well, there are events. Oh my gosh. Once a month, we run a brunch slash happy hour, brappy hour, maybe?

Question mark? Maybe. Happening on a Saturday or Sunday of each month, and we get together, we chat, sometimes we play games, sometimes we do presentations depends on you know wherever the wind blows us so you just missed our may rapi hour but stay tuned for announcements for the june event yes coming soon that'll be on patreon too we'll update that there for you and on the discord so join up and if you have not listened to us before if this is your very first experience with girls gone canon wow your first time welcome wow we're gonna um

hold your hand through it it's gonna be a blast we're gonna have unless you don't want us to hold your hand we don't have to that's fine we don't have to But usually we are a A Song of Ice and Fire reread podcast. However, we do not go in a linear manner in the way that the books were written and published. We are a little crazy. We like to go POV by POV character at a time. We are on the last four POVs of our POV order of all the published chapters. This is kind of insane. This is like what the last third of the books. I say it like it's exciting, but they're fucking thick chapters.

Yes. So epilogues will be after House of the Dragon. We will be covering the epilogues. We have two chapters to cover. Two amazing guests. Keep your ears peeled for that announcement through the hot d season but after that we will get to those final three povs those are uh i think there's a little tyrian cersei danny cersei tyrian danny whatever you want to who knows what order that's on you guys to figure out i mean we know but you don't uh those will those will be after that so it'll be a long couple of years to get through them. And we're giving George some ample time to catch up. Yeah, it's a challenge, George.

The gauntlet. The gauntlet. And to tell you about our spoiler policy for both House of the Dragon, Unleash the D, and our Aeswaf POV, we are spoilers all. If it's been published, if it's on TV, if it's in trailers, or if photos have been released officially, we're going to talk about them. Yes, we are going to completely discuss everything that we know from Fire and Blood. So if you don't want to know some of the bigger plot points of what to expect from the story, this might not be for you.

And that's okay. You can check out our coverage with Chika or we'll just see you another time. That's fine. But read the books. But also, I want to do a quick caveat regarding spoilers that I have been avoiding. Like if there are any leaks from the set I personally have been avoiding them I don't know if either of you have read them or seen them but I just like to enjoy the visual story as it happens and unfolds yeah I've only seen a handful of photos from set

uh I actually if you were if any of you are joining us again from last season, I was very spoiled last season. Very, very spoiled. This season, I'm actually going in a lot more blind to some of those spoilers. But the trailers are telling a lot of story, honestly. I've been snagging some good details from there and from some of the official releases. All right. Housekeeping's done. Boring shit's off the table let's jump into to

let's unleash the d wow everyone and the d here is the hot d the house of the dragon and we're going to talk a little bit about you know the spectacle of season two from page to screen because fire and blood we're turning paragraphs into plots here right there was tons in season one whether it's uh you know agan's coronation in the book versus the show we'll talk about that became quite a spectacle where it was really like two paragraphs in fire and blood uh and that's a lot of the show i feel like that's what our only child ryan condell um has really the only child you will ever have that's what he's been having to do as showrunners turn some of this kind of you know lackluster history book into into a scene are there any other like examples of a boring history book

having 30 pages turned into an entire season of good television like has that ever been done before oh you said good television yeah yeah because i have a take i have one but you said good television it makes me think right because you have like, I mean, to be fair, you have The Godfather. Those are books. You have stuff like that. That's technically a historical book. Or like Apollo 13, I think, is probably a favorite one that's based on Lost Moon. But otherwise, not really. Right?

Schindler's List. I don't, I mean, nothing historical like this. You have shows that are, I mean, like like this you have shows that are I mean like Wolf Hall right you have the Wolf Hall books which are exceptional and not history books but somewhat based on history they're fiction but not a lot of actual historical books

and more to the point it's like such a small excerpt of a book that they turned into season one it's so little material that turned into ten hours of a book that they turned into season one yeah it's so little material that that turned into 10 hours of a pretty good show yeah yeah has anyone done that did ryan invent a new thing doing that yeah if not invented completely innovated right an existing thing completely yeah i mean like around the same time that this was coming out right you had rings of power which i guess is technically trying to you know doing the same thing yeah that's sort of the same idea yeah similar yeah i don't know i'm trying to think

of anything else like you could say that technically some of the world building in the star wars universe it's like pulling from inspiration but i don't know that it's taking from any sort of other what canon material that they flesh out like if you think about it was rogue one was rogue one technically something like that um but they didn't have any like actual canon material that they were like let's turn this into a whole movie so yes not really an adaptation wow that's interesting good for ryan season two is not exactly like that yeah like there's a lot more material in the book that they're turning into season two it seems That's interesting. Good for Ronan. Season two is not exactly like that. Yeah.

Like there's a lot more material in the book that they're turning into season two, it seems. Yeah, because if you look, so I was rereading Fire and Blood this weekend. And as you do. As you do. Yeah, exactly. You get me. It's like, what, the fifth time? I was just rereading. Yeah, for like the eight millionth time. And I'll never forget when we got that book we went to

uh George R. R. Martin signing for it together in Jersey City and I I will never forget that I was the nerdy one that as soon as everybody got their books me and one of our friends were in like the cab on the way to the Airbnb and just like in the book and everybody was excited and chatting about how they were gonna have drinks tonight Eliana's like everyone's here everyone's great inviting people back to our place we didn't let her do um just inviting strangers over that's what I do uh but I was just in the book I was busy not inviting people because I was like what is going on with Sarah Targaryen what uh very exciting and like even at season one right you have the front of it is a very condensed ending of jahariff's and aliceanne's story they shove a lot of that into there but

season two is not a lot uh looking at at fire and blood like leading up to like rook's rest and leading up to raniera triumphant even is like four pages. Yeah. Is it? I mean, it's like four to five or four to six pages. Like it's a section. It's not even a full season. So I think there's got to be a lot of remixing we're going to see. And maybe we'll see some things move up.

I definitely think we're going to see some changes with where characters are going to be. I don't think we're going to get the gullet at the time it's supposed to happen. We can talk about that as we get into it, but I think the gullet will change. Something that is strong about the way that they've been able to pad out each of these seasons is that they've really invested in doing that character work that is important for making those dramatic moments hit, right?

And I think we're going to see, for example, a lot of characters get more screen time this season that they don't. They don't have any time on the page right like i think we get a bit of like just series but we're kind of getting more of the action about him but i think we have to do a lot of investment about like his personal dilemmas right and even like egan he's he's very much i think one note in the books but we're gonna obviously play him up, play Rainey's up, because they have to come to the forefront as main characters as well. So that, again, some of those moments later on feel earned, and they have gravity, which is something that I think

could have happened more in the in the original series, which, you know, brought us all to these books. But yeah. Yeah, Rainey's especially is one that I'm like, oh, yeah, good. They're going to keep building her up and bring her center stage since they have to slaughter her on screen. No. It's got to mean something. No, grandmama.

Grandmama. Yeah, that's the thing is all of these things on the page are pretty, like, they're cool to read about. Like, oh, I can picture an epic dragon battle awesome but like the characters in the book are like like nowhere near as deep as characters george writes in the main series and i think that's the depth that this adaptation can take and that's why it's so interesting to me yeah is that like it's it's padding out material by adding depth rather than adding stuff yes it's treating that stuff as as depth right like that's what i

think you're talking about how the first season yeah first season like is taken from like so few paragraphs but that's because i think what they did really well was they laid that foundation so that everything else that comes after it really does, again, have that dramatic weight. Harrenhal, for example, is going to be a huge, huge expansion, right? As we start to think about some of these plots. Damon taking Harrenhal in the book, it's like only a couple pages. And then it goes, and that's the other thing, right? We bounce around so much in that book where like a paragraph a couple pages and then it goes and that's the other thing right we bounce

around so much in that book where like a paragraph and a half will be like Damon took Harrenhal the Vale White Harbor Winterfell the Blackwoods all the river lords stream towards Harrenhal and Damon's banners and then it's like but anyways let's go over here now and we have to talk about what was happening simultaneously across the world across the continent uh and it kind of seems that harrenhal is going to be hugely expanded right like damon's going to be taking it in the trailers we see him taking it we see harrenhal becoming kind of a very significant place which it should be yeah especially considering that raniera's sons her first three sons are actually born of a lord of harrenhal i feel like that's excuse me yeah treason no way oh no those are valerian those are valerians those are valerians

but you're right harrenhal is like thematically and narratively and geographically politically a very important place and it's it makes complete sense that they're going to widen its presence in the show and there's that shot in the in the trailer from like a month ago of um renero flying to harrenhal on cyrax which like there's no mention of anything like that in the book yeah what's going on there yeah i feel like everybody glossed over because of um god's eye in general and all the weirwoods everyone was so hyped right like everyone was like oh my god the isle look at it the isle of faces oh my god but i feel like everybody glossed over that syrax is right there and it's like why are you going to harrenhal raniera what's going on at harrenhal why that's the only big yellow dragon i know because sunfire looks differently oh it's

definitely cyrax because like she has the club tail at the end of her and like no other dragon has that i haven't looked at these dragons well enough yeah that's my job makes total sense right she has tons of free time in the books right now and by free time i mean like she's probably suffering after her miscarriage pretty horribly in the books, but this is a TV show. We don't have time for that. Her going to Heron Hall where her baby daddy,

you know, was from, um, probably not getting to, you know, say goodbye to him might be a little emotional and might make her want to go to Heron Hall. Whoa.

And now her new baby daddy has like taken over it so it's like what does that mean for her man yeah and the battle of the burning mill and all those little mini battles are all quick paragraphs so it's kind of a great turn of the odds because honestly this whole season i mean the blacks are on like the win right at the front, they bring a very strong offense. A lot of people say the Veil, White Harbor, Winterfall. They all are like, yes, we stand for team black, not team green. And it's a huge like working up before the big crescendo to Rhaenyra Triumphant. I mean, everything has to be pretty strong. A few big losses like Rhaenyra triumphant I mean everything has to be pretty strong a few a few big losses like

Rhaenyra strong uh but we've kind of gotta build it up for Harrenhal and I don't know I think it's a good change for her to do something there I don't know what she's gonna do but a good change yeah it's also really interesting for her to be going around and doing those things because they they frame her as being so um sedentary in things because they they frame her as being so um sedentary in the books right they frame her as being weak hiding behind the walls of Dragonstone and not really taking an active role in the war that is being fought in her name so for that to be something that's different on screen kind of shows like hey how are we really portraying the people who are in this war in this history book um

depending on how you want to interpret the two the two canons or not and then i don't know i think it's also uh heron hall is really interesting because i mean you had the great council there so there's a lot of there's a lot of history there that also has to do with this is the place where it was decided that the female claimant would not gain the throne. So for that to be a turning point in regards to who gets the Iron Throne this go-around is really interesting, especially because around it in the Riverlands you're going to have other female claimants probably coming to the forefront or even players if they're not claimants. For example, characters like, I again, don't know if they're gonna be in the show or not, Sabbath they're not claimants um for example uh characters like i again don't know if they're going to be in the show or not sabbath of fray black alley

uh and jane aaron and then you also have other characters as well a little more secret like alice rivers yes i know black alley is definitely in it um in fact if i'm not if I'm not being crazy, I think it's a... I think also Sabbath of Frey is in it, but I want to say Abigail Thorne, isn't that Philosophy Tube, is Sabbath of Frey. Huh. Yeah. I have to hold my tongue. Oh, interesting, interesting. This was an offline discussion.

Yeah, to my my knowledge she's definitely in it and i think shane stevenson has joined on and being speculated as alice ann blackwood and she's got these crazy amazing lord eyebrows she basically could be lord's cousin okay so i'm into her i think she'll make a great black alley if that's her. But I really appreciate the commitment to keeping those characters in. And, you know, on rewatch of season one, I rewatched series one last week in like two days. A lot of things I did notice is, yeah, brain fried right now, dude. So fried. I'm so sick about tea. There's a lot of build up in the last two episodes about what's going to happen in the beginning of this season yeah jacera says he's going to the veil then he's going to winterfell so i don't

think we're opening with winterfell i think we are going to the veil we will see jane aron right away i don't think she's just going to be a one-off i think we'll see her again it looks like from some of the shots in the newly released official season two trailer that came out today we're talking about spectacle partially because um not just like book to show adaptations, but like these big moments, things that like were for the public performance, right? What does it mean to give a show of power in, in a political setting? And, uh, when it comes to people who are these leaders, right? A lot of the times their personal lives become public spectacle for the masses. So that's a couple of other things that we're going to touch

on here. Like, I think when Damon goes to Harrenhal, uh, I mean, again, we're discussing Rhaenyra going there. It's going to be a big show of getting to the Riverlands, um, maybe making them all swear. And then also, like, it's a great setup for later on when Daemon leaves Harrenhal, because I think we can see it be a through line with some of the things from season one. Daemon is acting as bait, right? He's being like, hey, we're here at Harrenhal. Isn't that interesting? Don't you want to come to Harrenhal and retake it? This really important castle that you might find strategic, maybe?

And also, ho ho, I'm Daemon. So infuriating. I'm here. And that's what he does in the battle with the crab feeder, damon so infuriating i'm here and that's what he does in the battle with the crab feeder right he's like i'm here i'm human meat let's go fight and then it's a distraction for them to be able to later on go take king's landing so great character work establishing damn that is a good through line i had not thought about thought about it on the plane. I had five hours all to myself and I hate being left alone with my thoughts. So planes are full.

It's a scary thing. The idea of him baiting people is very him too, especially considering his end with Amon. Because both of them like that. They love the baiting but they also like don't they don't actually like the execution of the thing as much as the baiting as much as playing with their food i feel like so that's why their final battle will be so epic at heron hall and we're gonna see him um do some more murder in the beginning it looks like from the trailers some more murder

uh trailer has a lot of executions from both sides going on it looks like right kristen cole and duskendale damon and the riverlands executing traitors which is kind of funny because in my head i'm like you guys are just killing each other's people which is fine but like just tradesies you know yeah god is there anything you're specifically looking forward to, Glytus? Host of this podcast? To seeing Honorary Glurly's Glon Clannan. What things I'm excited to see adapted to the screen this season. Honestly, I haven't been fixated on any one

particular thing i i'm really excited though to see uh the north again to see craig and stark and the wall that just excites me that shot in the trailer where like they're walking along the wall and craig and has ice strapped across his back that just made me excited for like fanboyish reasons the music can you wait for the music to come back that beautiful sad string oh my god a tear in my eye oh oh no oh no Ramin no wow and those beautiful walls as we ride up the weirwood oh my god and even in the trailer like they had this line in the official trailer of i mean the theme isn't just like tying this to the targaryen civil war they're also tying this the bigger thing it's they say whoever sits the throne

isn't just king or queen they're protector of the realm which is great because the north is often considered as an afterthought to the rulers right it's its own separate place with separate customs yeah so is the implication there that she told jace off screen before the end of season one i don't know yeah yeah i don't know i think we might see it still because it seems they're doing a somewhat funeral for luke right at some point and there have been some stills released by hbo of raniera and jace at that funeral yeah but that's interesting because like jace and vermax left dragonstone at the same time luke did so, like, by the time Luke got to Storm's End, you'd think Jace would be most of the way to the Eyrie already.

Right, and done. Yeah, maybe offscreen, I guess. I don't know. I feel like you're asking, right, because he and Kragan form what's called the Pact of Ice and Fire, and I'm like, wow, that sounds like just, like, the thing that Viserys said first episode, but also just like the thing that viscerys said first episode but also just like the thing that the book series is named after um also just like the pact of ice and fire that yeah the children of the forest and so how would it like yeah the timing wise is

interesting because like how would it precede his his business trip to all these places? Oh my God, he's just like you, if I think about it. You know, going to all these different places. Yeah, he's doing a whirlwind tour of the North. Oh my God, do not go to the Gullit. I repeat, do not go to the Gullit, Leidas. Don't do it. What? Why? But it looks so pretty.

You've been looking for a tropical vacation. Also, I think maybe it'll be clunky right like maybe we'll get a ham-fisted moment where he says to cregan my mother said okay but i loved it when they said yes for crows basically in the show so i don't mind the ham-fisted stuff i have a question this is a little off topic but not in regards to cre Craig and Stark. So we see him, I think that was him in the trailer, when, okay, like, I cannot grow a beard. In the books, he's depicted as having like this really, really big beard as he talks to some child,

basically two years later within the timeline. How feasible is it for Craig and Stark to grow such a big beard like that? Um, this is an important question that you're asking. I'm glad that we're finally getting to the important stuff. Um, thank you. Thank you. Look, two years. Um, oh, a beard that big. Yeah, I think it's possible. That's an intense beard. It is possible. It is an intense beard.

I think it's possible. He also looks like 40 years older there, though. He's talking to, like, Agen. I mean, I think he just had, like, the thing that happens to presidents of the U.S. Maybe once they, like, you know, rapid aging. The Dance of the Dragons is really hard. Well you take care of King's Landing for a single day and you suddenly age 10 years. And then you become Doug Wheatley's Cregan Stark.

Shit. I'm just talking about the illustrations in Foreign Blood and I'm just like how do we get from that to that? Is that doable at age 23 as well? And I think so, I have friends who have had beards doable like at age 23 as well like and I think so I have friends who have had beards like that by age 23 so yeah a bearded face can change pretty quickly yeah life comes at you fast when you grow a beard I totally get that when I turn 23 next year when I yeah why are you laughing um I don't know why you're laughing. Because you're turning 22.

Good one. Very good. Okay, call it in the air right now. Sarah Snow? In? In or out? It has to be in. I don't know. I feel like they're not going to add Sarah Snow.

And I believe in... I'm a Sarah Snow truther. I'm going to come out right now on this podcast bravely and say i believe in sarah snow i believe that sarah snow is real i believe in you sarah snow but i don't believe that hot d believes in her damn i know it's hard to say that too the way. Like as somebody who wants it to happen, but knows in her heart, probably not. I don't know. It's just that most of the other mushroom crap is like, it's raunchy and unnecessary and salacious. But like Sarah Snow, that's just like a pretty, pretty nice thing that happens.

Yeah. It's like a quieter, like, withheld, like, secrets around it and you only know so much. That's more what I'm getting at. And, you know, it's more thematically resonant than any of the other crap that Mushroom ever, like, says is real. Yeah. So I just felt different and it just, I don't know i i thought i could trust ryan i did too to be fair i really did but then i'm like i guess the thing for me is i think the show is really focusing on bella a lot more than the books did at this point like bella becomes such a big player in the end game yeah that's a good point so i think they're drinking their respect bella juice more is what i think and i don't think they're gonna do it and i'm not saying like bella should be cheated on don't put that in the press i don't need a clickbait headline podcaster thinks bella targaryen deserves to

be cheated on but i do think like that they're gonna try to focus on that more and then it becomes like how many new girlies can you really put in this season right like you have girly pop alice girly pop sarah snow too like i don't know and ali you have ali and alice and sabbath yeah um it's a lot that just may too there just may be too many cuties well yeah agreed i think i don't know i think sarah snow could still happen it could be interesting but will they find it too redundant with the ray garliana thing and therefore they're like but why but i think i mean i think that's the point but at the same time yeah i just my thought that i i guess i could bring it up later but just reminder everyone this is not a reminder i've never shared it aloud but sarah snow makes me think of the song sarah smile by holla notes and that's it that's the take i appreciate you mean um sorry i just want to clarify you mean daryl hall and john yes yes as they're separated now

i forgot i forgot yes i'm sorry i forgot. She's not drinking her Daryl and John respect juice. One person named Holland Oates. You know, I used to think Robin Thicke was two people. Oh, fascinating. When I found out Robin Thicke was one guy and that that was what he's saying, I was like... Oh my god, I did not know this about you yeah i'm glad we can learn for like seven years yeah we can learn new things about each other all the time never gets old girl that's great

oh i never and then he came out with blurred lines i was like oh that's who rob and flick is this is wait so you knew him before that i didn't know his music i i had to have been i don't know how old i was when that song came out but i was younger i was definitely younger and before that i just always and i also thought it was a country artist anyways but interesting i thought he was a country artist a lot of people start out as country artists and then becomes something else that's like very common wow speaking of people who have like duos you know let's talk about blood and cheese that's the transition whole notes to blood and cheese that was a beautiful segue that was a three-parter i'm glad we went for this ride together

all right we all know that blood and cheese is happening the whole world knows anyone who's on the internet knows even the the normies who haven't read the books are like oh blood and cheese is gonna be brutal man in fact i'm and they think it's edgy that they know about it they think that it's so funny seeing people like i know about blood and cheese i have a i'm like desensitized to it now are you because? Because I am. I'm like, okay, it happens. It's going to be horrible. What's next? I was sort of always like, it's an adaptation.

Of course it's going to happen. It's an important thing. And I'm not looking forward to watching it, but I hope they do it well. Yeah. They'll do well. They've set it up really well already with Secret Passages, right seen the secret passages we know where they are and with misaria and with the back and forth of the small folk and the rich they've also given misaria like explicit motive against the grains yeah alicent kind of um blew that one up, unfortunately. Larry's was like, you know how you can gain control?

Remember the last time I set a building on fire and it was really good for you? Let's do it again. Oh, yeah. Fuck, that was two fires. I never counted that they were... Wow. Larry's, what is your deal? Larry really loves arson.

That's concerning. It's his thing. That's concerning. From what I know about about people it's his favorite thing but if you think about it who in the show does not love arson when you consider it is based off of fire and blood and our specific animal of choice how do you guys think that blood and cheese is going to go down translated from book to show Glytis what do you think is like what do you see here happening well do you mean like the killing itself

well I mean the motivations the surrounding circumstances do you think it's gonna be pure Damon do you think Damon will have health I've recently come across a fan theory a brilliant fan theory that posits that either Otto or Alicent are behind Blood and Cheese. And I think this is hilarious because why would anyone think that?

What happened there? Have you seen anyone say this? This is a thing. I could see Otto, but not allison um anyway yeah no it's so there's that shot of raniera and mazaria talking on dragon stone in the trailer so raniera is certainly aware that something's happening, right? Yeah. And, you know, how did Misaria get there but Daemon? So it's Daemon.

Misaria is complicit. She's probably motivated as well. And I guess Rhaenyra... I could see them having a scene where Rhaenyra signs off on it. Yeah, especially after Luke. I could see that. Yeah. And maybe that's directly after the scene where Rhaenys cautions her to be restrained,

practice that restraint that Rhaenys really liked in Rhaenyra in episode 10. Restrained. Practice that restraint that Rhaenys really liked in Rhaenyra in episode 10. Because, you know, we had that speech in the trailer where Rhaenys is like, dude, this is going to get out of hand if you let it get out of hand. So please, please, just for the love of God, don't do anything drastic. And then, like, I'm saying, what if the next scene is then Rhaenyra saying, yep, do it, kill them. I'm going to do something drastic, she says. Yeah, I could see that, especially,

and the new official trailer that just came out, Damon is in King's Landing, and maybe that's part of the Harrenhal fuckery. I know that a lot of the production interviews that have come out talk about how Harrenhal is definitely gonna be witchy as we get Alice coming, and definitely the curse of Harrenhal makes things seem as they might not be so maybe it's a dream sequence or maybe Damon feels like he's in King's Landing but he's not uh but there's definitely a throne room shot of him in the throne room so I'm

like oh so you went to go see your old haunts when you came home to King's Landing before you made sure that the babies die I don't know uh i don't know eliana what do you think just kind of like what i'm trying to understand is nazaria is framed in the first season as a person who's like she's framed as like this very positive in a way person right like you know street urchin kind of person with heart of gold and so i'm like how do we get to a point where this person who even though she's poised against the throne right now is down to kill kids and now i know fire and blood posits that blood and cheese were originally supposed to maybe kill a gun and we're like i'm gonna audible and kill kids instead. I learned a new term. I learned sports terms recently, so I'm using them. Good for you.

So is that what happens? Well, it could be that Mazaria is lied to about what's going to happen. True. Like, what if she thinks, yeah, we're going to kill Otto or we're going to kill Aegon, and she knows that both of those guys are dicks, so she's down to do that. And then it turns out that Blood and Cheese kill a little baby. Yeah. An innocent little kiddo who never hurt anyone.

And maybe her and Rhaenyra both are under that impression. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It could be a big deception from Daemon. There's a lot of tension between Daemon and Rhaenyra in this latest trailer, so I guess that makes sense. Yeah, because Damon does seem like a I'm-okay-to-kill-kids kind of person. Yeah. Oh, he's down to kill anyone. There are two kinds of people in the world.

No, I'm joking. They're... Never mind. Oh my god. Damon Targaryen and everyone else? I don't know. I was like, never mind, this meme is too much. I'm going to stop. I do think we'll see the return of one of the most

important characters, the murder cloak in episode one or two then, right? Damon's murder cloak. Yeah. I think he's wearing it in the trailer, isn't he?

The Kermit hood, yeah. The Kermit, do it. Do it. The Kermit suit. Yeah. Do it. Do it. Damon, you haveit do it. Do it. The Kermit sick. Yeah. Do it. Do it.

Damon, you have to do it. Kill them. Kill them all now. Oh, man. They should have hired you as Damon to do the Kermit voice. I am available for Kermit Tully. Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, okay.

Interesting. We got the Tullys coming. That's true. I will the Tullys coming, that's true. I will say with Blood and Cheese, I'm looking forward to something that isn't really written on the page, but the response, like, I think it looks like we're gonna get public response from the Greens, and that's not really anything, like, they're gonna turn that into a whole, like, public show. Huge spectacle. Huge funeral. Yeah, it sounds like Otto wants to use it as a way to get everyone

in the kingdom on side with them like oh look what the blacks are doing they're killing children in their homes yeah we're not doing that we kill them in the sky yeah so so so everyone come to our aid this book will add paper by otto hightower. It's an election year. Oh my god. I don't know. We don't have Malor. Do you think it'll just be Jaehaerys and Jaehaera and they're gonna cut Malor? I just don't.

I don't know if they have time for him to show up and then get ripped apart a season later. Well, the thing is, in the season one opening credits... He's there. You know, the title. Yeah, he's there in the opening sequence. Oh, yeah. Maybe he's with Darren. Yeah, true. You know, maybe he's just chilling with Darren in The Reach.

Yeah, they're all hanging out in Old Town. It's gonna be so funny that we still don't get Darren this season. What if... He hasn't been mentioned. What if they cut the mention? What if they just don't get Darren this season. What if... He hasn't been mentioned. What if they cut the mention? What if they just don't mention him still? Yeah, but they keep including him in the HBO official material.

And like, what if we just all of a sudden, season four, get a scene with him out of nowhere? I would love it. I would actually say it's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen. No, no, no, the whole show. He just never shows up. He's always there in the official material.

He's always there in the opening credits, but he's never mentioned in this show game of thrones really should have taken a page out of that book yeah i think this it's just a full viscerys experience like viscerys i don't know viscerys knows he had that other child i'm not sure he knows he had any other children so it's gonna be like difficult because this season is starting like 10 days after season one. And since we're nixing all the time jumps, it's going to be a little difficult to bring Maylor in. Yeah.

So maybe Helena will find out she's pregnant early on or they'll just pretend that that baby exists. Hmm. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But yeah, I can see it being just little Jahara. Jahara. Yeah, that is going to be terrible, though. Like, it is thinking about it pretty horrible.

Poor Helena. She's, like, the only pure one there, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she already knows that it's going to happen, right? Yeah, probably so. She sees a lot of things, man.

She sees some shit. Then it happens. It's nuts. I'm actually really hoping they stay on that train and keep giving us Dragon Dreamer shit from Helena. Hell yeah. In fact, they really did a good job of Dragon Dreamer stuff with Viserys. Who was like, I just wanted to believe I was a dreamer. And it's like, you were, bitch uh and helena i don't know curious to see what comes of that and i think helena obviously

gets to be kind of like pedestaled as a figurehead of like oh so sad she lost her children etc by the family that has imprisoned her in this life anyways um so i'm interested to see if they do anything with her in the season as an actual arc instead of just prop that is interesting though because what it seemed as though allison did have a lot of affection for her daughter but to parade her around again as a political pawn is that generational trauma and her inflicting it on her daughter what happened to her isn't that exactly what Otto did with her exactly

it's my favorite thing about the show is when the child does the same thing as the father because they think they're doing the right thing and it's just the trauma being passed on again yes it's so good yes it's just like real life I agree and here's my essay on misato in

the rebuild evangelion oh my god wait chloe you have to watch rebuild all right sorry i'm getting to it we're re-watching og right now anyways um off topic off topic yeah we've been re-watching pretty slowly i think it's going to be really interesting to see Agen come to the forefront as a villain. I mean, I think in a way, in a way, everyone gets to be a villain. So exciting. But Agen as a villain this season, and I mean, we were talking about seeing Sunfire

and all those public spectacles. Yeah, I just, a lot of the spectacle in terms, in story was around him in those last few episodes and i think getting to see him lean into that because the spectacle is the only way that aegon has ever felt approval and love because he doesn't get it from his family like he's looking the when he's getting coordinated he's like are y'all sure he's looking at his family and he's just waiting for everyone to give him a little head nod. Like, yeah, go ahead, do it.

And he's like, okay. And he turns around and for the first time in his life, he's felt love when everyone's cheering for him. So I think he's going to really lean into that this season. And it'll be interesting to see his relationship with Amon evolve as Amon's with his mother crumbles and what they're all up to and how the greens are just very united as a front to the public but in private they're all like falling apart yeah it reminds me of how um when in Game of Thrones Margaery takes Joffrey to see the common people and they wave and they're all like, yeah, fuck yeah, we love the king. And Cersei's like, oh God, oh no, oh no, he's found love from another source.

It's kind of interesting that for Alicent, love was what kept her going in the hard times, right? Like her and Rhaenyra's love and affinity for one another was like the only thing she felt like she had in some of the worst times in the front half of last season. Alyson's entire persona being built off dignity and things being nice, right? That the social structure and the picture that everyone sees, we have to uphold it and things still need to be dignified. And you get that line in the official trailer from Agen fuck dignity so she has to sit there and lose her children one by one whether literally through death which happens to all of them and watch it as they all decide that love as some of our prior characters and thrones tell us

like Cersei is weakness they believe love is weakness and she knows that it can be obviously for her but like that she has to watch each of them say fuck you mom fuck your entire everything fuck your belief system fuck your dignity we're doing this my way and that they like separate from her and that she'll just be so alone i mean it's all leading to her all alone right in king's landing a prisoner if we don't get that ending i'll be so mad of her her end plot uh i don't know why that would change yeah they have to keep it because olivia cook is gonna win many awards it would be silly not to give them oh god she's gonna fucking kill it oh she's gonna slay it holy

shit dude if i was dying olivia cook's acting could bring me back to death i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure yeah well that's good to know yeah good for me too good for me to know just in case yeah does your insurance cover that no we live in america remember uh uh fuck dignity yeah that's such a great point because you know, Alicent, her father told her that love wasn't gonna get her through this, and now her son is saying that too. That, you know, these constructs that she's been bullied, basically, into believing are the only way to get things done are false. They're made up. They don't matter and let's just kill everyone. That she also, that was her last stranglehold on power, right?

Her goal was she had power through Aegon. And suddenly now she will not. She won't have power through Aegon. True. Aemond, she won't have power through. And then she's crippled Helaena's chance at any power her entire life. So Alicent will be alone with no power and no agency to her name. That's terrible.

Enjoy your war. Fuck. Yeah, like, just the way we're putting it already sounds so much more tragic than how it reads on the page. Like, it's already pretty tragic on the page. But, you know, seeing it teased out like this, um, again, that's the strength of the adaptation. it's so we were just talking with our friend chica last week about it on how it adds so much depth other than just like the old stepmom their intimacy and closeness is so special in season one and their chemistry i mean it would be a crime not to let those two actors get to do this on screen. Oh, yeah. Going to Essos for a hot, hot second. A hot de-second.

A hot de-second. We had a lot of setup in season one with, as you brought up, Eliana, you know, the Stepstones were kind of our entryway. And then we had Pentos. The Triarchy Alliance. I feel like this could be a great early to mid season plot for otto to have something to do someone give him a job basically get a job i wonder how it's going to be delivered are we going to get this information delivered to us or will it be more like in passing in councils like it wasn't season one here and there uh

maybe maybe it'll be be in passing or something, because what, Aegon has to be like, Grandpapa, you're not doing anything. Why are you here? And he has to get fired, too. Yeah, he has to get fired. It occurs to me that maybe, as what happens in actual political machinations,

the way that Aegon gets rid of Otto is to send him on some bullshit diplomatic mission to essos that's smart yeah okay so that would be the way to get rid of him yeah because that way it's like not diplomatically suicidal to um hobart hightower like he can't say oh my you just kicked my brother out from the hand ship and I'm not supporting you anymore, even though you're my grand-nephew. Yeah. Yeah, you have to think about that for a hot second, right? Yeah, I had to go through the family tree for a moment. Some trees are wreaths, some trees are trees. This one's easier, though, from the Hightower's down.

Yeah. The High Council of the of the triarchy right that could be really interesting to see that built out since we only got a little look at pentos and a little look of that building though the food scenes fucking slapped at that feast yeah i do wonder you know we have the battle of the gullet probably not happening this season it seems it kind of seems like they're gonna push it out farther. I don't think they can just kill all the Blacks characters at the end of the season three episodes in a row and say, okay, well, maybe next season we'll do more.

That could be a pretty gearishly awful way to end it. But promising the stepstones to the triarchy from Otto and the delay, right? That's what actually causes the whole replacing him with Kristen Cole thing. And they do end up allying with him. But like, I don't know how it's gonna play out. Is the goal it gonna be the same? Is it all gonna be different next season? I don't know. I don't know. Are they gonna get this across flawlessly? Are people gonna understand it? This is something that, you know, Game of Thrones couldn't really do flawlessly.

I believe in Ryan Condal even though I'm tempering my expectations for Sarah Snow. Yeah, you've all reminded me that I have to protect my heart. I forgot, you know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice. We've done this before.

We have a saying in Texas. I've seen season one, season two, season three, season four, season five, season six, season seven, season eight of Game of Thrones and let me just tell you, I've seen those. I've been hurt before. God, what kind of made up shit are we gonna get? I wanna, okay, first

of all, here's a wish list. I want the 33 people like fucking debating in essos the triarchy being like so should we help them should we not and like i think this is just this is my ongoing theme where i'm always like i just want everyone to be in a room and argue because that was my vision for like the green the greens council or whatever like last last season I was like, what if we did 12 Angry Men, but it was the Greens?

That's not what we got. What we got was great. I enjoyed it, but that's what I want, but 33 people this time. Other made-up shit. That'd be so funny. Right? Wouldn't it be good? People love 12 Angry Men. What if it were 33 Angry Men? Think about it.

It's even better. Ryan Condal, hire me. For real, please. This is my vision. Councils. Juries. Lots of arguing and mustaches, I feel like. And colored, brightly dyed hair.

Could be fun, actually. Just put three dozen cross-dressing pirates in a room and have them bicker for 50 minutes. Emmys. Shelves of Emmys. God, that sounds like my 20s, honestly. Could be good. Could be art. Like, that's an artistic statement, I'm just saying.

I want to see some, um, Tairoshi beards actually really badly. And if I don't get to see that in my lifetime of hot D, I could sue, I think, legally. This is the beards episode. I am talking about a lot of beards this episode. Other made up shit I want to see. Well, I guess apparently we're not getting Darren, so this was a stupid want on my part. Sorry, y'all. see i well i guess apparently we're not getting darren so this was a stupid want on my part sorry y'all but as we talk about the reach i was like wouldn't it be cool if we also saw like another

way that we could like just write in a random ass spectacle of like darren being the darren plot and then lord beesbury is like yo where's my brother everyone where's my brother and they're like and then the tyrell's also choosing to abstain right like how do you have maybe like darren tries to do some politicking there in the reach or whatever but anyway guess not i'm i'm just silly i got silly dreams silly girl with silly dreams and never learns exactly wow there's still time there's still season three yeah lady stoneheart's gonna come anytime any moment oh no oh yeah next season heard it here first we do get gwayne in this season gwayne hightower which is the funniest to me gwayne gwayne's world it's gonna be played by freddie fox who was in the great did either of you watch the you watched the great i watched one episode and then i forgot to watch the rest i'm so sorry i'm so

sorry please still like me i have to divorce you holy fucking shit uh the great is amazing you should keep going um but he plays someone in the great and he's a fantastic actor he's a fucking blast and in the ew article that came out a lot after the trailer today uh olivia cook talks about him and allison having an estranged relationship because they grew up separated from one another right she grew up in king's landing he grew up as basically you know doing his duty as a son in the reach so i think that's a really interesting dynamic that they'll have to kind of work together talk to one another and that her youngest son who hasn't been shown mentioned etc has been carted off there to grow up with her estranged brother

that could be very different and provide a very different personality for darren which he has to be fair and we could see that play out really well yeah agreed i think darren would probably be like what the fuck is wrong with my family though yeah yeah what if things in the Hightower are just, like, mega normal? Everything there is super fine. And then as soon as he, like, hears or sees anything about the rest of his family, he's like, what the fuck? Oh, shit. Yeah. I feel like he's probably, like, a football star. You know what I mean?

Like, he's, like, a sports jock kind of star. Really normal. But not in, like, a toxic way. He's just a cool dude. Yeah, he's just a dude dude yeah he's just a dude bro living his life i actually do think there are like i can see the way they introduce him and his dragon in my mind of like just like a scene in season three an open scene where you just have the dragon soaring overhead being beautiful in blue miss tess and he's just like looking up and he's

got his fucking blonde little shit hair going on like the targs have and we're in the reach i mean i can see it it's just when do we get it yeah i could see it though yeah and then like when does anyone mention him on this show it'd be so funny i'm serious if they just don't i'm just it'd be so funny then he turns to the camera and says, I'm mentally healthy. Like a shampoo commercial, but about your mental health. What about Rook's Rest? When's this all going down? What's happening with Rook's Rest? It's happening.

I mean, it's there. It's all over the trailers. It's everywhere. It's all over the foreshadowing of the season already good well apparently baylor's involved yeah which is good it gives her something to do also i get to see moon dancer so it's really good for me because that's my favorite dragon hell yeah i wonder if like if they're doing that with baylor this season what are they doing with reyna what's she up to? I think she's going to the Vale from the trailer. It looks like she's going to the Vale. Right.

So definitely going to the Vale. I'm guessing Jace is going to negotiate that for safety or whatever. Is she going to do some romancing? Is she going to get a subplot of that? Or is she going to hatch an egg? I guess she's single. Yeah, I think that she's gonna get a dragon one way or another hatch it make it magic it no i'm just kidding do you think they're gonna

change sea smoke i think that they're straight up just gonna give sea smoke to adam like normal and they're not gonna even tell us about how it works magically. Yeah. Yeah. I've come to terms with that. Even if they, maybe we'll get a little scene of like Rhaenyra being like, it means Lyner's past. And I think I've seen people arguing on the internet, you know, like they like to do that about how, oh, well that makes, it means nothing that they gave Lyner that end. And I'm like, no, it doesn't. doesn't did you read the books like did you read quentin's chapters men's lives have meaning not their deaths like it doesn't mean nothing he got to peace out and i think that's kind of a theme right of her like protecting her family from the worst of the war sending raina to the veil sending the boys away

um getting them out of direct harm's way especially after losing luke like yeah granting someone that extra time to live i don't think that's useless or pointless i mean he could still be alive right like the books don't ever explicitly say that dragons can only be with one rider at a time it could be that sea smoke was like yeah that is just a fantasy yeah sea smoke could be like you know last season in my in the past i did two podcasts at the same time but this time i'm gonna go focus only on this one podcast and that's adam valerian yeah yeah maybe um laner made fun of sea smoke's soul patch one too many times. You know? Maybe they broke up. Yeah. Damn.

All about the facial hair, again. A conscious uncouple- they could have had a conscious uncoupling. We don't know how it works. We're not Targaryens. Or dragons. Well, that you know of. Oh, speak for yourself. Um.

Sorry, sorry. Exactly. You know I have my pet theory about how Raynor would claim Seasmoke and then everyone's like, oh my god, Raynor's, well, Rhaenyra's like, Raynor's dead and that's huge and everything. But I honestly, it's my own idea and I just don't see how it fits into, you know, the dragon logistics concerning everyone else. Like, what's Adam going to do now? Right.

That's true. But I like that because it gives a connection to laner right um and it it does a flip on season one of amand taking vagar in a way not like completely but like you know there's somewhat of like a oh and now she's taking a relative's dragon and it's more in memoriam instead of and it also positions reina a character who we should probably care more about than the show is allowing us to in her role in season one uh yeah um it gives her like a way more relevant position going into the future of the story yeah i mean reina's the one that lives she survives she carries on the lines honestly the hightower line even

it's kind of nuts she the girls are being brought to the forefront and I love that Bela and Reina both are getting a bigger role and like you mentioned Eliana a lot of these secondary characters have to step to the front because some of the first characters end up dying soon enough what um people die in this show a lot of people die and even if they don't die their stories need to become richer and the tapestry must expand to include these characters and well reina and bela have such rich plots in fire and blood but just not yet and i think bringing it forward means i'll be able to condense some of that plot into the end of the show too yeah and like i say this about reina but sort of the point of reina is that

she's able to carry on that you know continue the bloodline have a long life with marriages and children because she's not in the war yeah yep and like what does giving her a dragon really say that's interesting yeah they set up House Corbray existing in the very first episode of season one at the tourney. We see House Corbray's shield. I think if I'm right, yeah, we do. And then you get also a Corbray for the Kingsguard as one of the potential Kingsguard people.

So like they are setting up the Corbrays and that's her first marriage, I think, is to a Corbray, right? In the Vale that she meets in the Vale. So maybe there's a love arc that we'll get too maybe we're gonna get maybe rain is gonna get a little love plot at some point that must be some nice a nice break from all the death yeah though it is though because that's the important part to your point glidus like it's also about like this is what a world

without war looks like and people are allowed to grow and prosper. And that through line of dragons don't plant trees, especially when they're going to war with one another. They don't have time to plant trees because they're burning each other and trees down at that time. Gotta be real sad about Rhaenys, man. I'm a grandma girl. Like, I love my Nana. My Nana fucking rocks. So that's gonna suck to watch and i'll feel

bad ish for corlees he's he and i are on a timeout hopefully he'll come to his senses yeah his behavior in season one uh the whole time i just yell at the screen and i'm like you're the one that wants the throne leave her alone yeah i do like though that that just allows him to be a sort of mirror for Damon. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you, too, on grieving for Rhaenys. I'm going to hold a... I'll stand vigil for seven sleepless nights. Oh. For sure.

Dang. That's probably when your videos are rendering. Don't lie to us. She's the voice of reason yeah which i love like for her as a position on this show it's it's so cool that they gave her that it's weird because you don't think she's going to be the voice of reason because she's described as such a ferocious warrior but it makes sense because she's been through all this already she's seen it all she she's so hard done by she has every right to be angry

and vindictive and vengeful towards all of these people and yet she's somehow like the the least murderous person i mean it's when it comes to small folk peasants don't worry about that but when it comes to like starting wars and like acting with political restraint she's preaching the most sense out of anyone. Yeah. Which is exactly why we have to kill her. Yeah. For season three to happen.

She can't be around for all the fun, is what I'm saying. All the fun we're going to have. Oh my God. And without Rhaenys being an angel on her shoulder, what's to stop her from giving you know, giving in to Daemon's warlust? Like, she

really has nothing. It's like, it's Alicent or nothing at that point. And, like, that seems pretty far gone already. Yeah. What's up with this reunion that they're supposed to have or whatever? You guys have heard about this, right? That there's a chance they're reuniting? Yeah, what the heck? I'm sorry. No. I think they'll do it well what there's some sort okay eliana

here's the deal okay there have been rumors that they will have a meeting on dragon stone and they will have like another war terms and obviously i reserve judgment till i actually see it you can't judge something you haven't seen yet and i will try to go in without okay girl we know but don't get me started with you um listen but no like i won't judge it till i see it how it's done and i'm sure to be fair olivia cook emma darcy they'll be acting their asses off on this one so i'm sure it'll be a fine scene but it does feel very echoey if it's a real thing of Otto showing up with the um the old Nymeria page again and I'm just like will it work is this something that could be a thing of Alicent pleading or Rhaenyra and Alicent both pleading to one

other stop this like hopefully it ends in a giant fight that'd be fun that'd be fun to see give him some range yeah it's a good question what is the point of it again um to happen all over again and also like that it is a meeting that presumably would happen much more in private just because dragon stone is so far removed from the rest of the realm. So, the politicking of women in private. I think it is worthwhile, at least, to have an update on their relationship now that, you know, they've both loved, like, now that Luke's dead and, you know,

the blood and cheese will happen. Yeah, can't we put this down? Rhaenys has died. Like, we get to, yeah yeah and we get to have another glimpse at how their relationship has progressed due to these increasingly horrific tragedies yeah and this was probably it you know like this is the breakup the big breakup then yeah yeah so like when you put it like that it sounds like a crucial scene that we absolutely need given that their relationship is like the core through line of the entire program.

Yeah, that's true. That does make sense. You need them for it. Oh my god, they have to spend a season apart until that. Yeah, I guess you're right. That's the heart of the series. The heart of the cards. Oh my god.

Blue eyes, blonde Targaryen. Is that what you're trying to call me? Let them rip. Wait, that's Beyblades. Wrong one. I didn't watch that one. That's an interesting little rumor that came up and out of context I feel like doesn't work. But now that we've given it a little color, a little shade, I could see it.

I could absolutely see it. Yeah, I need to think through the circumstances that would lead to such a meeting but i'm not there yet it sounds thematically it sounds um very relevant and we don't get the day-to-day in fire and blood that's true yeah yeah so we've discussed rook's rest a little already and what that'll mean um something that follows soon after rook's rust because they lose a dragon rider is the sowing of the seeds uh apparently i did not realize how jam-packed season two is going to be that it is probably going to include some of the dragon seeds so they're in the trailers bro yeah there's that meeting with those three at the Dragonstone.

Yeah. That's definitely a public event. Alan's in the newest trailer too. So you have Adam in that trailer. You have Alan in the newest trailer. That's crazy. That's going to be, I think that one as a public spectacle is interesting or in general,

just as a like something that is turning their personal lives into this public thing is interesting or in general just as a like something that is turning their personal lives into this public thing is interesting because I think that Rhaenyra is going to have to acknowledge that they're that the Hulls might be Laenor's sons and has to accept them I don't know what her relationship is going to be like with them even though obviously we know that they're probably not but she can't say that they're not Laenor's sons because being like, Laenor wouldn't have kids because he was gay would also call her own children's legitimacy into question. So she has to be like, oh, yeah, those are Laenor's sons. He's such a womanizer.

Yeah, he loved impregnating women. Yeah, he loves that. Yeah, and Corlys kind of has that on her um obviously because they believe that she is the reason Laner's dead so out of guilt which is a lot of what she does right a lot of the stuff she's doing in this story is out of guilt Rhaenyra is definitely gonna accept it oh my god she's just like me yeah for real and the tension wow wow now i know what to do the tension with corliss is gonna be insane right because rainies is death it looks like will come before the dragon seeds i'd guess it has to as you said in the books who knows they might switch it up, but I'd guess the same. So that's gonna lead to a

lot of tension with Rhaenyra and Corlys, right? In totality, Rhaenys dies in her war. Well, you better support my, my son's sons, my grandsons. You wouldn't want to call them, you know, not his sons, right? Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna be it's gonna have to be like a little bit afterwards too because i mean how do you think rainies is gonna feel being like oh yeah my husband's children from out of wedlock get dragons how will how would rainies feel about that in a public space so yeah and that like because that's the whole claim i mean that's what she's fighting for for after her to succession it turns out was a great show and it's a great topic wow in this show as well succession matters when it comes to the throne unfortunately and aegon succession

gets weaker and weaker too i mean yeah both of them have a weak succession after them, so it's really going to matter who you have and where they come from. I was also thinking of the sowing of the seeds as well, not just like a public spectacle, but big public sacrifice. We haven't had a whole sacrifice or execution like that in a while. Could be fun. Oh, interesting. I did think how this is a big deal to call for other people to ride their dragons yeah obviously we get a lot of that distinction when it comes to characters like

nettles in the book but it's kind of a big deal to just go giving away dragons and letting you take them which but it also is like it turns out a lot of people could just take the dragons and you didn't need permission and you'd have a dragon if you could do it if you could yeah if you could turns out it was all propaganda all along and um we're not actually special and you don't have to fear us like gods um we don't deserve oh and we shouldn't be god emperors over the country hmm and then when the dragons die it's like oh they learn that again also we're probably gonna see a lot of people die doing it right or at least a handful of people die oh that'll be a fun montage won't it right oh wait what if they did do it as a montage imagine benny hill yeah people just die you know but no sorry this is a serious show i'm sorry what am i saying

this is no piss takes eliana serious program with with characters named grover and elmo and kermis serious show hey i mean it opened on a tyrian joke basically okay the whole show basically other than the jhaerys intro, Viserys is at council making like a jackass and a honeycomb joke. So it's very serious. I will say there are some things with like Game of Thrones that you expect from a Game of Thrones show, or type of show, and they do nail that, right? You have the brothel scenes, you have people plowing sex workers in the background and booze everywhere. And you have like edgy red wedding moments. And you have a little bit of humor that's placed well.

So I can imagine it actually being a little humorous. I could imagine like cringes on Rhaenyra's face as somebody gets like burnt to death. Oh, wait. Oh, I was thinking of the like, when the guy's like, oh my god, my prince. And then like, stomp from Daemon. That was a humorous, that was thinking of the, like, when the guy's like, oh my god, my prince, and then, like, stomp from Daemon. That was a humorous, that was a humorous moment. It's funny as hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's funny as hell, because it was like, ha ha ha ha, they don't care about you. They were like, you're a metaphor. That really, really funny moment where Rhaenys kills a thousand people by bursting through the floor that was like reminder they're still targaryens yes you may like them but they're still targaryens eric versus aric rip rip sad yeah real sad yeah front runner i'm sure that's happening real soon at dragon stone in the first couple of episodes uh it's in the trailers straight up like raiding those trailers i'm like oh not even hiding that one brother versus but it's really the trailers straight up like right in those trailers I'm like oh not even hiding that one brother versus brother but it's really well set up and I think when we watched season one and we didn't have time to marinate on these plots right because you're turning out the apps

I don't think that I liked episode nine season one as much as I do now it has really really grown on me and the Eric versus Aririk stuff is amazingly set up right there they spent a lot of good time on it there's a lot of great dialogue between them and them traveling around to locations to the brothels to different places together and talking about aegon and why he'll be a bad king um i thought all of that was actually really well done and the inevitable tension of them coming to blows i think that was great and i think people hopefully will be like oh yeah that makes sense and i think it'll be great i think it'll be sad yeah and they both have to die that's true that's two paychecks the family is losing

oh my god damn i met the actor sorry yeah do you think they're actually going to die like both of them will die at each other's sword or maybe one of them goes a little seppuku on it we've already seen one king's guard threaten that kristen cole was like ready to go in season one before his savior allison showed up oh i like that it's like the the immense pain of having slain my brother i must now I can't go on I have to die yeah I'm actually interested to see how these twins will be twinning or losing together

seeing how it's actually played we just know like oh they both died in each other's arms after dying from their mortal wounds but like I don't know we don't have siblings do you have siblings do you have siblings I have three older brothers oh my god okay wow could you imagine never mind that's too real because I was like would you kill your brothers no this is an abstract concept for

both me and Chloe so we think it's fine to ask people this question that we realize that's actually highly inappropriate I'm sorry I just don't think that I could walk up to my sibling and just stab them or set my dragon on them to set them on fire. No, I imagine that that would be considerably more difficult for me than doing it with someone I've never met before, I guess. Yeah.

Not that I would be prone to doing that in the first place. Yeah, Gleitis, come on our podcast. Tell us, how do you feel about murder if you did it? How would you kill your brothers? How would you kill a stranger than how would you kill your brothers? It's going good. Sorry. Thank you for coming on our podcast.

I'm sorry. Thank you for hosting this podcast. That's okay. Anytime. As Rhaenyra said, now they see you as you really are for who we really are yeah i don't get it i don't get that so maybe they'll have a different way of dying than we think maybe they run off together like leonore i'd take it i mean i actually wouldn't mind oh that's interesting that'd be sweet faking their dads being like yo fuck this

i don't know if the show would pull that trick twice, though. Yeah, probably not, but... I wouldn't expect it to happen twice, so why not? That would be the truly unsurprising thing. Oh my god, they did it again! Wow, I never saw that coming. How could they give a Shara Daines plot to them, too? It's so rude.

Looking forward to a ton of stuff in this season that we've talked about as we get kind of the end of the episode what eliana would you say is the thing of spectacles that you're most excited to see on screen uh i really do think it's gonna be like the greens reaction to blood and cheese because like i said I just think I'm really excited to see that family get more character development because they're just such a mess. That's the one that I'm

looking forward to the most because again I think that Tom Glincarney has it in him to give us a really good performance and villain. How about you, Chloe and Gleitus? What besides Winterfell are you looking forward to, Glytis? I mean, if we're talking about just

spectacle, it has to be Rook's Rest. Oh, okay. Oh yeah, Rook's Rest. Yeah. It's gonna be so much fun to watch. It's gonna be horrific and tragic and so cool as well. We haven't had a full army battle scene like that yet.

It's going to be huge. It's going to be huge, I think, from what we've seen in the trailers and some of the stuff on set that I heard about. It's like, I mean, look, you do not have to hand it to Kristen Cole because he gets handed it by Agen. But, sorry, let me correct that.

I don't want to give him the hand job. No, that doesn't work either. Fuck Kristen Cole. No, don't do that one either. See what happened last time? No, don me correct that. I don't want to give him the hand job. No, that doesn't work either. Fuck Kristen Cole. That works. I like that one. Don't do that one either. See what happened last time. No, don't fuck him.

No, bad idea. Doesn't work. I hate the guy. But I think he's going to be so fun to hate. Yeah. And I look forward to my downfall of loving that. Loving to hate him. Interesting.

And then my descent into loving aegon too um as i've mentioned to eliana before and others before that listen definitely support team black sam but like sam the show is like turning me a little and it's hard because i'm like i love team black but my favorite characters are amen targaryen aegon ii targaryen alicent i'm like what's going on with me uh yeah still team black but i'm uh green curious i guess you know green curious or green furious interesting interesting they're fun they're fun because you know you have aemond the shonen villain you have amand the shonen villain you have aegon too who's like wow thank you for appreciating that yeah thank you for noticing i just think aegon too has like all those great aesthetic you know those kind of like traits of just like i don't want to be king and now i have to because

i'm being told i have to oh wait i love the way being king makes me feel oh wait oh god oh god why did I become king I'm falling through the sky oh god I'm almost dead but not dead oh god I wish I was dead and like I love that part like that whole like downfall to the I wish I were dead which real so real same but that's good

that right there is so good and to see them nail it love that for him yeah to see Sunfire and him just like go through it this season and then go through it. It's going to be interesting over the next seasons. Actually, though. Yeah. Aftermaths of Rooks for Us and very interesting. Yeah.

And Moondancer. That's all I care about. I love Moondancer, man. Yay. I'm going gonna be real sad someday oh thanks so much for joining us glidus we had a blast with you i'm sorry about telling you to murder your brothers or whatever i said um sorry we don't work on that for next time we don't know what it's like we just don't we're only children obviously

fair enough I can't expect anything more from you we're just you know I think maybe you could Gleidas let everyone know one more time where they can find you out there on the internet you can find me at Gleidas on YouTube

that's me and I upload other stuff to Glimbus, is my second channel. And that's basically all you need to know. Look, I put music on Spotify. I'm TheBekkerKing. That's my solo project. I love Viserys, by the way.

And my band is called Materia. We do rock shit with the wrong instruments. No, what does that mean? What did I miss about when I was listening to your music? What did I misunderstand about? Oh, did you not pick this up? There's no guitar

and there's no bass. I'm not sophisticated like that. We have a mandolin and a violin instead. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. Yeah, we'll link these below. Go check them out. You gotta support not just the bliss takes, the piss takes, and the food,

but you should also be checking out the music because it's pretty good. You make it sound like I have a lot of content when really I'm so lazy. I mean, you're doing a great job for being lazy. If I was... I am lazy. If I was... Shit, I'm not doing this good of great job for being lazy if I was I am lazy if I was shit I'm not doing this good of a job at being lazy so listen don't don't down sell yourself

Glynis yeah believe in yourself yeah for real men's content has meaning oh god sorry not their brother's untimely murders. Fuck.

Thanks so much for listening, everyone. As we said at the top, we'll be back next week with Hannah from Game of Owns, one of our good friends. She is going to come hang out with us. We haven't hung out with her since, like, oh my god, since we covered John. We haven't hung out with Hannah on the podcast. That was a long time ago. It was literally like 2020 or 21 or some shit. So yeah, I'm really excited to have her on. Wow, sick. Get excited for the launch of Hot D season two with Hannah, the midseason finale of Unleash the D. And then it'll be Hot D season.

So make sure to tune your podcast streams to Wednesday. Be ready for Wednesday mornings for the public. Or you can get early access over at Patreon.com slash Girls Gone Canon. C-A-N-O-N. Eliana, you've been such an excellent guest host can you tell everyone where to find us on social media yeah thanks everyone um I'm really glad to have been here if you want to hear more from me Eliana you can find me on the podcast that I do um we're taking a break with our usual coverage so we'll be back in the fall

but um it's girls gone canon that's c-a-n-o-n and you can find us on twitter and on blue sky go check us out um yeah thanks so much for having me you're so welcome oh my god i can't with you thanks for coming on yeah thanks so much. Thanks so much for having me. It was an honor. That's okay. As always, I've been one of your hosts, Chloe. As always, I have been one of your hosts, Chloe. I was like, I'm not saying anything.

I'm glad that he did it, though. He took the bait. He fell into the daemon trap wow are you a daemon? no oh my god we'll be back next week thanks everyone