Girls Gone Canon Cast - House of the Dragon: Unleash the D S2E3 Ft. Hannah from Game of Owns

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Hannah from Game of Owns swings by to talk about the Dragon show, Dunk and Egg, and the expanded George RR Martin universe that is unfolding before us. P.S: please take us to the premiere next year. Tune in to the MIDSEASON FINALE OF UNLEASH THE D. That's right, because after the season, we'll be back with TWO MORE EPISODES to break down the costuming of HOTD with a special guest, as well as to wrap up the season. We're re-leashing the D, baby. Find Game of Owns at: https://x.com/gameofowns https://www.gameofowns.com/ https://www.instagram.com/gameofowns/?hl=en

Hello, and welcome to Girls Gone Canon Unleash the D, Season 2, Episode 3, featuring Hannah from Game of Owns. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am special guest, Eliana. Thank you for having me on. Special guest host. You're the special guest host. Special guest host. Sorry. Special guest host. It's been three and a half episodes my god not allowed to be a real host um thank you for having me back on no i'm so glad you could join me eliana i'm very excited actually shit posting irl aside i'm so excited that hannah is back to

join us hannah it's been since like 2020 since we had you on, which seems criminal. I think you came on for John. Was that John? I don't even, was it a Dance with Dragons, John? I don't even remember. It must have been. It must have been. But honestly, I can't even, 2020? What are you talking about? I can't remember anything. I'm like feeling John 10. No, no, no. If it was. I don't know.

That was wild. That was a long time ago. That was a really long time ago. Yeah. I'm going to be real though with everyone. That's messed. But. It was a Dance with Dragons John 2.

Leave me alone. I was really close. It was really close. I must have done a really bad job if you guys waited four years to ask me back. In a way. I'm going to just disclose to everyone in a way hannah was with us here also last week we we had a little little technical disruption which for those in the biz we can call it like it was thank you i lost my audio okay i will take the full blame why i will be the one so anyway we're back and better than ever so i promised i would laugh at the same jokes again if i needed to so you guys are lucky you're

getting round two we're even better this time my god we are back with targaryens with hannah it's been a while since we discussed targaryens with you. If you don't know Hannah, well, you're wrong. And you probably should. But Hannah is on a little cast they like to call Game of Owns. I affectionately like to call it goo in my head. Obviously, it's goo. She's from a little podcast from around the neighborhood. Hannah, what what's up with game of bones lately what are you and zach up to game of bones we are live laugh love on our way through my god fuck a night of the seven kingdoms right now and which is my very first time if you guys haven't anybody hasn't been listening along it's my actual first time listening or not listening reading

listening along is my actual first time listening or not listening reading that series any of that so it's been quite an adventure for me because I knew absolutely nothing about another the seven kingdoms going into that whole read through and I've had the time of my life some of my favorite passages in all of the song of ice and fire universe have been in that series and so if you haven't read it yet i don't know what you're waiting for i don't know what i was waiting for because george rr martin knocked it out of the park with that series so it's been such a fun time into it his hulk or mussy oh my god i actually underwent some like mild to moderate surgery recently and I downloaded all of you guys' Night of the Seven Kingdoms episodes for during the surgery because I needed to focus on something. but they're podcasts yes that one i don't know that i've ever felt that way before but i did this time i was like laying there numb as people were drilling in my body and i was like hannah

and zach are here we were holding your hands through the whole thing that's literally how i felt dude it was great and they're good fucking episodes like it was really great that i i mean eliana and i fell in love over the hedge night, if anyone recalls listening out there. You know, that was when we – please do not recall. We will not link it. That is for you to Google and us not to know. You know, after, like, a five-year period, every episode I've ever done, I'm like, was that me? Yeah.

Some other girl. It was a fun time. But also, like, it was a fun time, you know? And, uh, yeah, no. They didn't call it Drunk, A Song of Ice and Fire history for nothing, is all I'm saying. For nothing, yeah. It was, um, the Dunkin' Egg stories are great. I think my partner actually likes them.

He said he likes them more than A Song of Ice and Fire. I was like, dang, bold take. I mean, they're good. I mean, that is a hot take. But I don't blame him. I mean, like I said, I knew nothing about it. To me, I totally dismissed the whole thing. I had a complete misconception of what it was.

What did you think it was? It's just, it's so fun to be. Well, I didn't know Egg was a kid. You know? Right, right. I thought they were like, I didn't know. Like, I didn't understand what that relationship was going to be like. I didn't understand what the story was going to be like.

I thought that it was going to be one of those more like Fire and Blood type of style situation where there's some great narrative. There's some fun information, but it's a little bit more info dumpy you know if you don't read dunkin egg what do you know about a song of ice and fire and it's like well watch me not read it and still know more than you kind of situation being stubborn anyway i don't know anything about it but it is so fun to explore the world of westeros from the perspective of these guys. It's a little bit of a lighter tone, I would say. A little bit more classic swords and shields. A little bit more like season one Game of Thrones heraldry. And it has been such a joy to hang out in that space. So we're almost done with what's been published so far.

I think we have like two episodes left maybe. And then of course we have the TV show coming, which is beyond exciting. I can't believe we manifested that into the universe. That's amazing timing. You guys really did that. We really did that. So if anybody has any other requests

lord let that power rub off on me today i don't know what i need it for but just in case that does make sense to put it off though because i think i would have definitely done so if i thought it was um i mean you guys i haven't even read all of the world of ice and fire so yeah it's okay that's all it's all it's got things that are exciting due to them being like quote unquote semi-canon facts you know it's fun for how it ties into the whole shebang

in my opinion but that's it's an a la carte added you know yeah exactly yeah which is good. It has its place in the A Song of Ice and Fire literary universe. But we're not here to talk about the A Song of Ice and Fire literary universe as the main topic.

Talking about fire and blood-ish. Exactly. Before we get into spoiling you guys, and we will come back after some housekeeping to talk about Game of Owns' hot D plans. Keep chatting about some of this exciting Fire and Blood, House of the Dragon, all that adaptive stuff. First things first, thanks so much for listening. If you're listening to this, this is a spoilers all podcast. Eliana, what does that include well thank you for giving me this responsibility as a guest here um it includes everything that has ever been published from

george and from the song of ice and fire universe as well as everything in the tv show so if you are here and you are watching house of the dragon and have never read fire and blood and don't really know what's going to happen with the rest of the story this might just not be the podcast for you thanks for stopping by if you want to stay unspoiled then maybe we'll catch you some other time but if you do want to know everything that happens and you don't mind, we're going to be discussing some of, you know, the broad strokes of what is likely to happen in season two and onward.

Yeah, not just that. You're going to hear about the A Song of Ice and Fire series, which we regularly cover during off season of House of the Dragon. You can catch us doing a POV by POV reread. Instead of going chapter one, chapter two, chapter three, we're going character chapter one. So we would cover all of Sansa's characters week by week in a row, etc. Please come check us out if you haven't. We're having a blast.

We're starting back after Hot D with the epilogues. We just finished John Connington. And you can kind of get news about our schedule and those spoilers at our Patreon. So that's patreon.com slash girls gone canon where we're covering those books that we will talk about. We'll talk about Game of Thrones as well. We've also covered Game of Thrones season eight. You can find it at our Patreon or on a streaming service near you. We're pretty much going to cover everything we've covered ever, you know?

Yeah. Spoilers all, spoilers forever. I'm so excited because we don't do spoilers on Game of Thrones, or we try not to, at least for the most part. And it is so hard to talk about House of the Dragon season two while not talking about spoilers. So thank you for giving me this freedom to say whatever I want to say. It is hard.

That's why we don't do it because it's hard we want to be free i feel so free we want to be free yeah good feel free live your life to its live laugh love you know today in spoilers can't wait i'm also psyched for your epilogue episodes that's gonna be a journey to read all the epilogues together so i can't wait right and not to brag but we have two really fun guests for each of them one is fantastic and another friend of ours from another podcast we're gonna reveal all this during hot d season so stay tuned for the reveal at the end of hot d but uh and the other chapter is someone who like when you hear who it is you're like of

course who else could it be it could never be anyone else than that person to cover that character so uh we're really hyped about that belongs i i'm also like it's so weird because we're gonna be doing this for so long what's a swath it's the thing that happens 170 something years after 172 years later yeah is that we're all actually more like 100 i guess technically 80 ish years later but anyways i don't i didn't sign up for math that's not why i do this podcast speaking of timing over at patreon we have a bunch of very fun perks, bunch of fun perks, including this episode coming out early for all patrons, regardless of tier, as well as all House of the Dragon episodes coming out early for patrons,

regardless of tier. So that is a hot D season special. Join up now, patreon.com slash girls gone canon. And you get a bonus episode every month. If you're in the stranger tier and above, uh, and up the thunder tier you are discord vip access you get into the lifetime discord achievement group and you also get invited to fun events like brappy hour which is brunch slash happy hour yeah and this month's brunch slash happy hour is actually just in a few days it is right around the corner it is on the same day as the hot d worldwide premiere which is june

16th or i think it's worldwide but whatever whoa the crowd goes wild yeah i just don't know how they're like channels you know like sky whatever network. If they get it a day late this year. I just don't know how that shit works. But anyways, HBO, sorry, Max premiere June 16th. Yeah, we'll be brunching at like 3 p.m. I think ET and we will hang out, maybe make some hot D memes. It might be a hot D meme workshop.

We haven't decided yet. We've been playing a lot of Gardic Phone too and that's a blast. Should we make hot dogs? Hot D hot tea hot dogs oh and add chili oh and because you know yeah maybe relish is the greens i don't know about relish oh maybe we need like the purple we need to get like shrek mustard and ketchup here yeah i remember they had they had the green ketchup going on there for a while. Green and the purple. We could just get green tomatoes and make ketchup out of that.

Anyways, so. Anyways. June 16th. Join us. I think you need to focus on the meme factory because we need to get some good memes rolling before the season starts. That's true. It's like a sweatshop for memes. For hot tea memes.

It's two hours on our Discord where you can get in voice chat and workshop your memes for twitter that night is what we're saying you gotta have them ready tis the season and it's coming yeah tis the season what's better than show twitter absolutely nothing it's the only thing keeping twitter alive for me yeah and barely my god it's hanging on by a thread. Yeah. With all that said, Hannah, what are you guys doing for Hot D? Can you tell everyone what to expect for Game of Owns this season? Game of Owns for Hot D.

We were just talking before we started recording. We're going to record Game of Owns in person for every Hot D Sunday episode, which is super exciting. So the vibes will be high. So we record immediately after the episode airs and we usually drop that either sunday night or monday morning that episode is pretty free flowing lots of can you believe that shot did you see that takes and then we record again in the midweek where we break things down a little bit more intensely. So two episodes a week during the season and we collect owns. So think about what your favorite parts are of the episode. Cause that's my favorite thing is to hear what everybody else has to say.

So the meme factory, get those ready to send those in so we can retweet them too. I feel that they're going to be really strong this year. Ha! Ha! I do feel they'll be strong. So I hope I make the cut. I hope I get a couple owns in this season, you know? You know, it's every man for himself. So if you do good enough, we'll give you the RT. Oh my God. It's ruthless. But yeah,

that's our plan. So I'm so excited to be back in season. It's just, it's the best. Do you guys have any like plans post-season and post-Duncan Egg that you have solidified or that you can share with the class? Or like, is all this classified still? Everything is classified. But our hope is to finish, our plan and hope and dream is to be done with Duncan Egg before the season premieres. By the time

this airs people will know if we were successful or not on that front and then we'll move on to some other projects that we have brewing it's the winds of winter they're gonna start their winds of winter reread yeah yeah yeah we're all taking a big pause secretly look under your chairs so what if what if fire and blood volume two we've got winds of winter prep we've got more fire and blood to read we've got a little bit of everything so yeah you guys kind of ended at um didn't you guys end after jaharis and alison maybe or no we read up to the end of season one of house of the dragon okay so i can't remember off the top of my head what chapter we have next but um the dragons danced yeah more than likely that's where we'll go after okay um house of the dragon airs but no promises no

spoilers i knew i could get something out of her i liked my idea of winds winds we are cooking up something for winds of winter which i need to talk to the two of you offline about so i have some hopes and dreams i know you have voiced these hopes and dreams to me and i i for a long time yeah no i know you've been hoping for a while but there's a lot yeah it's not your it's not on you it's not finally booking an entire hotel for just all of our friends to sit and read in well okay so that's my dream and this is the high level of spring which is that we rent a cabin somewhere and we get like wi-fi yeah well no we might need wi-fi because i also have another dream of us going live so we can read alongside other people at home reading and we all could be reading together and we can pause at certain parts and kind of react and then keep going together. Interesting.

But I love the idea of us all being able to read at least part of the book together and having a big party. No, it'd be cool as hell. I plan to take a week of pto whenever it happens wherever i am i'm like that's a week of pto right there a hundred percent and we need to throw a party we need to be at a bookstore somewhere there's a lot of things that need to happen yeah i think back to like the the harry potter era of like being a youth and like bookstores like borders and bookstores that existed yeah um throwing those kind of launch parties and not to like bring back the american aughts renaissance right now or anything but i'm like could you imagine a bookstore t wow opening midnight launch party and all of us

are there live i'm not imagining it wow i am making it happen so everybody get ready because it wouldn't be right to usher in this new era without some sort of celebration without some sort of early 2000s nostalgia so my dream is to do that to throw a big party and then for us to read together but yeah oh my god your Gemini placements are so loud right now. I'm so proud of you. This is so ambitious. This is so you. This is great. I'm a Harry Potter girl at heart.

No disrespect. Let's go. I'm taking this upon myself. Everybody get ready. Hopefully we have a little bit of leeway before Winds of Winter drops. I think we have some leeway the rumor is like what we get a three month notice right is like it takes three months like he drops it at the editors and then they like get the approval and it goes back and forth and then finally about three months to print is i think what the process somewhat timeline

sounds like so in that three months we get an announcement, I think we can do it. I really think we can. I think we can. We just have to have our ducks in a row and ready. That's all. I got a couple of bookstores in mind, so I'm going to wave some magic fingers,

but you guys get ready because I feel like a big book release. Well, so we did the season, that Game of Thrones finale, we threw a big party and it's just really special to be able to share these experiences with each other and as a community as a whole because i feel like a lot of us most of us are doing this i'm in my closet right now you know what i mean and so it's fun to be able to connect in person over something that we care about so much yeah yeah that's dedication to the craft though hannah was like i'm gonna make sure that the sound is good

and yes and recording in the closet yes yes i'm not taking any chances respect um last week we talked with glidus about about the spectacle of season two. It was a fucking amazing episode and a great time. Gleidus had us laughing very hard. He's a funny lad. Also, recently George talked about him in his blog, if you haven't read that, because he and Altshift X took a little trip from yonder to the States, and they ate a burrito with George. We talked about this a little last episode

more importantly interviewed raya golden on the tough voyaging graphic novel adaptation that she did um it's a really good interview we linked it last week so go check that out but now i'm thinking about burritos yeah i know same i was like should i just get a burrito should i abandon my plans for making yoki and just get a burrito? Should I abandon my plans for making gnocchi and just get a burrito? God, a burrito sounds so good. And now I just need them, all three of them, to tell us about the burrito and their food terms like they do in their videos and like George does in his books. What does it mean? Is it foreshadowed?

Is it foreshadowed? Oh my god. You know, we were really talking about Hot D and how excited we are because it's the whole theme of the thing and just today george posted about that and last night i believe was the premiere of hot d in new york right it was and it was like it looked like the swaggiest party that there ever was green carpet which was interesting i'm like oh oh, wow. Wow. A green carpet. Really picking a side. Yeah. What the fuck? Where's neutrality? But we weren't invited. Not a single. Thank you so much for bringing this up.

Not me. Not you. Not Eliana, our special guest host. Not a single one of us were invited. What the fuck is up with that? I totally agree. You know what it's like? Okay. You know when like clubs let girls in for

free so like the hotness level increases in the rooms they should have done that for us for the hot d premiere you know like coming for free so you can increase the vibes you can increase like the ambiance of the place not the ambiance everything i can't believe listen all i want on this earth is to be invited to a premiere i don't necessarily need to see the episode but walking the red carpet is something or green carpet to me or green carpet or standing there in my cute outfit i feel like the three of us would really kill it and so this is our official petition for season three to be brought on to the premiere. Just for the, we would be fun.

We would bring so much to the experience for everybody. Look at all the fun we're having. I know we aren't like TikTokers, but like. We could be. We could be cool. We could be. Yeah. We could start that if that's what it means.

For a day, you know, whatever you need. Yeah. Whatever you need. George, Ryan, call us. I saw those pics. I was like, are you serious again? Yeah. What can I add?

But I want to get dressed. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. It's like an hour. It was only an hour and a half away from me. I'm like, that's messed up. That's messed up. I should be there.

We'll crash the next one. You know, they all had to sign an NDA, those of them that went to the premiere. I could sign an NDA. That's why we didn't get invited. I could sign an NDA. That's why we didn't get invited. I could sign an NDA too, yeah. Not me.

I think, Leigh, I do see there's something as a podcaster of like knowing leaks knowing spoilers knowing what's going to happen puts you at a different advantage right so that's the when you look ethically at why me and eliana are like nah because we know us because it's so hard to not do like what you and zach do is crazy impressive because we tried it for one episode and we still slipped through like three inferences to things from the text, you know? And then like, there are some people that get very verifiable leaks and then go on to make content about the season with those in their minds subconsciously that can sway what they know versus what is going to happen and what their videos come out like or their podcasts. And I'm like, that's, you know, that's a line I don't want to cross. So in a way, if we had gone to that last night, you guys wouldn't get this podcast.

We would not be podcasting, probably. We'd be like, we'll chill. We'll chill. We'll wait. Well, okay. It could have still happened. But also, like, at the same time, I think for me, it's not even discussing what happens in the future.

It gives us more time to, you know, have more in-depth takes. I'm just saying. It would have been nice but at the same time i don't usually read as as all of you know based on me sounding like an idiot sometimes on these casts like i don't usually read the leaks because i just get more enjoyment and i still want to i just want to keep enjoying myself for sure for sure i was all about i don't know why but for some reason i refuse to see any leaks for game of thrones but for hot d i'm all about the leaks i don't know where the yeah which doesn't make sense you would think it might be the opposite because for a billion reasons but i i respect that though because it's being able to watch on sunday with everybody else as the like i said the shared experience it makes it way more fun

chloe's sending me like interviews and i'm just like i'm not even reading the interview which i know like obviously has no has no leaks or anything but and i'll tell you the most important parts of the interview anyway if there's something you need to know yeah that's true so you're you're lucky you have a secretary no but i was really into leaks during game of thrones and now i'm the opposite so it's really funny that you went this way hannah yeah i was I was, I mean, hell, the last episode Hannah and I watched together at the party that Hannah mentioned earlier. We prayed to a Sansa Stark candle

and our prayers came true. We did hold hands. We cried. We held each other because the only thing I didn't know and I knew almost everything with leaks and I'd even seen some pictures. Okay.

So like, I was like, the whole season too, I knew everything. I was like the whole season too. I knew everything. I was like, damn, damn, damn. Uh,

we didn't need leaks to know everything. I didn't know about Sansa. Oh really? I didn't know about Sansa. That was the only thing I didn't know. Oh my gosh. Isn't that funny? That's so great.

Like the only thing. It was good. It was like the fates were coming together to keep me surprised about one thing that i actually fucking care about oh my gosh i'm so happy for you that that was the case thank you yeah i knew about like all of the long night like fuck yeah everything we didn't even need spoilers or leaks because it was so predictable that it was like i know what's gonna happen i don't even need to re-watch this episode I already know but anyway I'm so happy that that is one thing you didn't see because the dress the walk everything yeah

it's just it's absolute perfection the last spoken words in game of the throne game of the thrones what the fuck is that how did we last spoken words in game of thrones that that's baller something that I appreciate that house of the dragon is doing is that like even though we technically know the ending and where the story is going to go and the big moments they've made it really unpredictable though because what they're doing is they're deepening the characters and and surprising us with the way that characters approach things and their motivations as opposed to doing it through like oh we changed up this thing like i don't know random other person kills the night king and said

not that not that i anyways um you know they're not changing up those things necessarily i mean they are to some extent but they are still keeping it interesting through again like depth and getting to explore their humanity and getting to explore why they're making the decisions they make because i feel like there's it's so much one note and not in a bad way like fire and blood has so many merits to it but especially as we look at the trailers for season two i just feel like we get way more of an insight into how painful this is for allison for reynera i just when you read the fire and blood it seems way more straightforward burn it all down at least the way i read read it less of a struggle about did I make the right decision is this gone too far and then to be able to see it and to explore their relationship from the tv show I think it helps that the two of

them are are friends and that they like each other I feel like that that really translates on screen but I totally agree with you on how much more depth we get it's it's so fun it definitely translates different and like i went on a podcast with a couple buddies ranking thrones and they were doing a like monarchs of westeros ranking and so at the front of the episode they make you rate the monarch or like say your thought you know your first thought and then go through the episode talk about the character together have a conversation end of the episode you have to give your final ranking oh fun i went on for raniera targaryen and i went in very team raniera and at the end i was like four i give her a four out of ten i'm sorry how could you do this to me um they really talked me down when you looked at everything.

And I'm like, damn, they really got, it was like gotcha journalism on my ass. But they're good guys. They're good guys. But I was like, I was gotcha'd. I was like, what the fuck? How could you invite me on this podcast and do this to me? When you read Fire and Blood, it's so flat that like, you don't maybe at first consider those other angles and depths right

and so changing i mean all these characters can have that because they don't have personalities in the books they are monomythic figureheads that you're listening to a tale being told about them that has been passed down from maester to maester to septon to septon that has these stories and they're writing and the voice right like the pov like yandel um like there's just such different tones of the information the source material which is also like that's that's so nerdy how nerdy and deep is that like the source material of the book the people in the story that are getting the source are getting the source from other characters that have been mentioned throughout history what a fucking nerd i love that guy what a dude it is what makes it like so cool though and what makes the adaptation in my opinion like i forgive tons whatever they do i'm like i'm

just here for the drama i'm here for the soap of it all um this is days of our lives and me but dragons i'm you know like aliana's uh favorite adaptational choice actually would be my other choice but this was my favorite adaptational choice what wait your second your second one though you know your days of our lives general hospital yeah i mean like gildane gildane does a pretty bad job you know but that's the point right that's the thing that george was interested in and like drawing from accounts of what eustace and mushroom who is not you know like mushroom were you even there like were you there did you lie to me the whole time in your account and uh he loves playing with pov just like us yeah a random random thought i'm looking at the illustration of gildane by douglas wheatley do you think this is what like

because gildane of course is george is this what george looks like without a beard that's just my random thought like is this like what we imagine george looks like without a beard and hat but we we don't have to linger on this thought i'm just putting it in the universe let's talk about the drip i i'm just saying like is that what he looks like he has crazy maestro chain drip i love the chains like that yeah i think we've seen the chains look very different in other artwork but the uh the wheatley gildane is oh my god his neck must be so strong yeah his neck really must hurt it's like at the end of the day taking that off yeah like that's insane there's a lot of strength and but he was like getting his sources to be fair like to your point like he was not he had a certain tone he had his own opinions and it shows and i think it's very interesting because on first read a fire and blood it's very easy to defend

that and say well who knows what the maesters are saying or what these people are saying who knows if gildane is saying like this because of this and his alliance is this and they've chosen to portray that in their own true way you know yeah and they have actually kept some of the ambiguity i think in the show right like it's it's fascinating i know that we discussed in season one how damon some of the stuff happens off screen what really happens so like and now we're getting, we're getting like, Oh wait, maybe,

maybe he really did fucking do all those things with the way that he's being developed in season two. Well, the direction he seems to be going in season two, based on how season one ended. Damon is like, he's such an interesting, and for me as a doctor who fan matt smith as damon was never what

i expected when i was on my list but are you the chops hannah are you a doctor who fan i can't say i am me neither and i gotta say everything i know about doctor who I know from Tumblr on accident. But, and so when Matt, when he was, when he was, Matt Smith was, I always call him Matt Damon because his name is Damon. Matt, anyway. I was not too thrilled, to be honest. I was worried. I don't know. I feel like such an idiot now because I feel like he brings so much to that role. And I think that just the way that he plays Damon brings so much of that

ambiguity and I'm really excited because I feel like in season two there's a couple things I'm thinking about like what how blood and cheese happens the whole nettles situation not or is happening I feel like there's gonna be a lot of decisions on his shoulders and how that's played in the tv show is gonna really change the trajectory of how we're supposed to think about his character because and and how much rain era might be involved in some of these decisions is going to really change what side we're on like does she know about blood and cheese beforehand things like that and so i'm really excited to see us they've been playing up this are you team green or teams blacks with the trailer and and everything as they should it's a fun marketing tactic but I hope that we continue to stay

kind of confused you know or at least be able to see the oh I get why they did that on the other side throughout the season and it would be really easy to especially when you cast somebody who's as loved as matt smith is for everyone just to automatically side with him because they're like i love his character but i feel like he's brought so much thespian energy in a good way that's you needed a little kid drama we did and i didn't know we needed that you know i didn't know that we needed this like i don't even need to explain it you guys saw him in season one but it's been absolutely perfect i love that he was like an egotistically injured kitten right like that moment when he's in the council room alone and viserys comes in to like yell at

him and he like looks at him with this scorn pitiful cat face on almost like hmm i'm so upset but also i'm smug even though i got in trouble and you're gonna forgive me uh and there's something in that like boyish charm in matt smith and then there's something like also very dramatic and tragic and um spiteful right like and very pitiful in a sorry for himself way I think that's gonna come up a lot this season from him I think he's really gonna portray that well of kind of that I don't know like like he was with Viserys right that deep like inner loathing of like I'm not good enough for him yeah he's got 100 i love that i i'm excited to see some some serbs from these actors this season i mean between him and olivia cook my god that's uh that's a bajillion awards right there i feel like she really stole the show in all of the trailers

that that we've had so far there's been some incredible shots of her. And I feel like particularly in this last trailer that we got, we really got to see her anguish in a way that I would have never imagined, I guess, because I'm biased, coming from her character in her read-through or even necessarily in season one. But the shots of her in the trailer looking like she is just out of her depth and filled with so much sadness.

And really enveloped in this tragedy is going to make her decisions so interesting to me. And her kids' decisions, because how much is she going to sign off on everything? And how much of an active role is she going to play is something I'm really excited to see play out. Yeah, I think that's something that they raised the question of towards the end of last season of, like, how much power did you leave for yourself at the end of the day like with the moves that she's made and you know she's fighting

against her dad she's finally she's finally learned teenage rebellion um in her big age and a little too late yeah i know you gotta train this is my advice to people you gotta train your parents early i don't know how young all of you are listening to this podcast you're probably like way past that way past that phase but you had to train your parents early you know she wasn't able to really like exert any power over her like fate or go up against her dad but her kids have way more power than hers so like what what do you do right like her kids are standing up turning like i don't mom, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want. I'm king now. Her other son is, I don't know, who was, like, seeking her approval constantly. No longer gonna be doing that. And you got Helena, and she's just like, I'm doing the best I can for you, child, but, like, I don't really know what I can do for you. She really, like, cut herself off

there, right? Like, Helenaena the one child she really wanted like to have a better life in some ways or to be like this is my chance and then she literally does unto her everything that was done unto her yeah generational trauma and ryan condell said something interesting recently your friend eliana ryan no my only child right i'm channeling i'm channeling viscerys who forgets that he has a bunch of other kids right i don't i never had any other no no other kids only ryan condell he recently said about alicent in season two specifically that alicent is forced to reckon with the fact the thing she was groomed to do since she was 14 which was to hold up the greatness

of her own house she She has now done it. In doing so, placing Aegon on the throne, she has diminished her own power. Yeah, that's how I called it. To Hannah's point, she didn't leave a piece of the pie, right, for herself. It was too little too late when she showed up to get that piece of the pie. When she dismissed her father at the end of the season last season, it was kind of, you were too late on that they moved too quickly that was the point of episode nine right like everything beneath you allison has been undone without you even realizing it and so much of us you look at amen egan their reactions to her what's that amen talkingon talking to um Kristen Cole when he says let me look at exactly what he says but he talks about how soft his mom is I have it written down he says

no he doesn't say his mother Hannah he says Alicent the disrespect oh yeah he calls her Alicent Alicent holds love for our enemy and that makes her a fool and you know when she's talking to agan about slowing down and he's like i want revenge so she has completely i mean she put her kids in this situation to carry this grudge and this resentment that she held for somebody that she once cared for that she probably still cares for. And they know no humanity when it comes to this quote unquote other side. All they know is the damage that's been done and the anger and the bad feelings. And so I feel like that's gotta be so tough to watch your anger blossom in

somebody else who you can't control anymore. And we see amand making those decisions with um with luke's death and yeah how that maybe was a mistake um or maybe was a little bit too hasty uh and so i think that's such a great point like she did everything she was supposed to do then she tried to make money moves for herself and that only put herself in a worse position than she was in before without her support group now she's hanging out with kristen cole and with laris and so she did that to herself uh yeah oh god worst people you could be hanging out with yeah that's well she has no support network right it's

fascinating because we talk about this in A Song of Ice and Fire. We're like, where are Zaret and you? Where are the people who are around them? And it might have just been like they did monocast all those people, which is fine. We got budgets and we had to make dragons and hire a bunch of extras,

which makes sense. And I appreciate what we did. I say we, like I'm fucking part of this project um you are well you and your only child ryan yes right of course of course and so like she she is isolated she has no support network but also like as you were saying hannah like she's taught her kids these things and then they've grown up and and as you said they're out of her control and granted i do not have children i do except for ryan condell and i don't intend on having children but like i mean to some extent like did she do everything right

did she not but at the end of the day like even as a parent you could do everything right you could give your kids the world but like they're still gonna be their own people they're gonna make their own decisions and they're gonna that so that might be their own accomplishments but it could also be their own big fucking mistakes so bittersweet right because each of them does exactly like the opposite or takes the opposite path of her you have aegon who's calling for vengeance while she's been so tepid and controlled when she feels she could have been a venomous beast about it you know you have amand who instead of telling the truth you know or finding the truth and what he did to luke he's kind of embracing that toxic that toxic like even masculinity and targaryenity is that a word um like of having power right like being a dragon rider having the biggest dragon of them all that's

a lot to live up to and getting caught up in the moment and accidentally maybe eating your cousin even though the intention was maybe there but like you know not being able to control that power yeah i think not be able to control dragons in there and he's in yeah they're dragons you can't just control it all the time especially if it's channeling emotion from you and also you're like a teenager like that boy's got a lot of hormones going on i don't know i just think there's something there of like and them all of them turning against her dignity turning against honor turning against duty uh except for helena who's perfect and has never done anything wrong and she should get out of there because i'm really worried about that girl and what could happen to her she really has never

done anything wrong this season next season no she's great she really like her and dream fire need to get the fuck out of that castle yeah just go fly away and be free yeah yeah well it's kind of a bummer yeah what happens and then you contrast that with like reyniera and her kids and like i don't know how good of a parent reyniera has been but her kids they had a perfectly loving family until you know one of them died recently her kids really liked her and respected her and were following her but maybe she's like she's she's gone the other way of like instead of reenacting the same thing that as we see alicent just reenacts what her father did to her with her kids to an extent reyniera goes the opposite she's, my dad didn't give me enough freedom. So I'm going to give my kids a bunch of responsibility. Like,

why don't you be envoy to Storm's End? And like, she couldn't, no one could have predicted that that was going to happen, right? But at the same time, it's like, how do you, parenting is hard. How do you balance how much responsibility and freedom you give your kids? Now she's like, go on a mission to the veil and the north like this is a big ass mission you know this is a big ass travel that rainier has put on her eldest child slash heir and that's with all the other dynamics going on in her family too it's a lot to put on them and it's kind of this is gonna be crazy but it kind of reminds me of ned huh the stark sisters and with some of his

trauma and repression and how they weren't really prepared to go south they weren't really prepared for this great event that led to war in the politics right like especially that like she knew they could handle their own and she is proud of them and all but sending them for politicking with little instruction when she's kept them isolated on an island because of her childhood and teenage traumas that she doesn't want to go deal with and see every day and be faced and attacked every day about.

There's something in there. There's like something going on with those kids and like them being sheltered, I think, in a lot of ways. Not that Dragonstone's a bad life for them. I mean, not that being sheltered is a horrible life i guess but just doesn't give them the same kind of experience yeah maybe allison's kids have had but i'm curious to see how reynara reacts to jace's travels and his promises that he makes and the experiences that he has with his new boyfriend yeah exactly it'll

be interesting to see because we haven't really seen a lot of so far they've been good little boys you know we haven't really seen them because they're not the ones taking power whereas alison's kids are the ones that are really out here taking control of things and so it'll be interesting to see their dynamic play out especially with everything going on with damon and reynara and all of that and how that does or doesn't unravel before our eyes this season i'm interested to see how she interacts with them because i think that's a good point like the position allison's been in we started season one with damon being the heir and being like the young bachelor heir, basically, with his wife that, you know, he killed.

But then we're starting season two and Jace is the heir now. So there's a different power dynamic between Damon and Jace. And I'm interested to see that. I'm interested to see how Jace and Bela's relationship plays out and how his relationship with cregan actually interacting with someone not related to him for a minute you know like how that works out and in the veil with someone less related to him we could say than everyone else there's just too many people related still pretty related but just less just less i'm saying it's all we can ask for it must be hard to be related to so many people holy shit i know

yeah it's a little wild but it didn't matter then you know they didn't care so maybe it didn't matter yeah back in the day i am so excited this goes without saying i cannot wait to go north i'm so excited to see the north from his perspective and not just to understand how he's a diplomat on the go and kind of how he holds his own when he's away from his family but just to be in the north that's where we belong i cannot wait that is so classic game of thrones so i hope that we we at least have an episode there i'm so scared we're gonna to have 20 minutes there, 10 minutes there. We're like, what you saw in the trailer is everything. It's like, okay, well, that's fine.

But I'm hoping that we get some time there. I think we're going to get plenty of time, honestly. Like, I do think they're going to do that right, because the Starks have a certain, like, for Game of Thrones watchers specifically. So not just us weirdos who talk about a song of ice and fire and Game of Thrones and all this, like not just us, but there's a certain comfort that I think the average viewer assesses with how Stark with Winterfell with the We, with the snow, with the Stark theme, the violin coming in sad and somber and like proud and strong and fierce. Like I'm gonna lose it. I think it's gonna be they're gonna have to use that a little. You know I mean why even have the rights to make a Game of Thrones spinoff show if you're not going to? I'm gonna lose it. Also you gotta set up Cregan pretty well as like a well-loved

character for when he comes back and he's like it's time for the hour of the wolf and i'm like but did you do anything anyways other people have other thoughts on the hour of the wolf people who aren't me but that's all i think it really speaks that they are going there with him and they're at least introducing him now and the riverlands plots right yeah and there's that whole thing that like he really seems ryan condell seems to like themes dude yeah he likes a good theme and i think he also likes a song of ice and fire a lot which is cool uh and it has a lot of themes that story as you two might know the riverlands and the north and especially that idea of those like single women in war because their men have gone and fought and died uh and then the next

generation being all these women who are going to fight and die and we see that with ali sabatha all those characters kind of so building up cregan especially because you have to have the ali and cregan love story at some point oh yeah interesting that's exciting think about that I also wanted to bring up something I can't remember who brought it up in our recording number one but I'm not going to take credit for it in recording number two him flying his dragon to Winterfell and the implications for dragons at Winterfell I think we should discuss that because that was such a great that's such a great point and i don't remember exactly what it was eliana eliana take it away

get it girl get it okay well first of all i'm gonna just like start with so we first we talked a lot about shrek and is shrek team green but also when we open like the wind in winterfowl or like when we open the season in general do we start with somebody once anyways so i just want to get that out of the way out of all the things that we discussed last time but something else that came up last time was what are we excited to see about in the north and then i remembered like you know an excerpt that george had published what was it like on his blog i want to say it was season seven or so or or six like in regards to you know his own little subtle jabs about like how dragons operate beyond the wall and like that it was so easy to fly a dragon past the wall when in this excerpt of aliceanne queen aliceanne visiting the

wall that eventually is now officially published in fire and blood her dragon would not go past the wall and we obviously do not have an aliceanne and jahari cinematic adaptation yet but are they going to give it to jace right like because jace is going up there he's going to give it to Jace, right? Because Jace is going up there. He's going to have a dragon because that's how he got there so fast, you know? We don't got trains. And so is he going to go to the wall and be like, whoa, my dragon won't go past the wall. My dragon does not like the wall and get, therefore, a version of that excerpt. I think that would be so cool to have in this season especially in a season where they are exploring dragon seeds and there's so much about the relationship with dragons

the dragons relationships with the world and dragons dragons dragons dragons i feel like what an incredible setup and opportunity as we're thinking about okay how could any of these things happening here have implications on the broader song of ice and fire story i feel like that point is such a good one and so what does that mean for either our future story in westeros or whatever but seeing that play out even if it's just a glimpse of whoa that's weird enough to give us enough information that that matters that could be so cool i'd be really curious on top of that to take that idea to a lot of the other things we learn in the first third of fire and blood because i do think that they are not they can't go against

big canon like that that's like a moment of like the dragon freaks out because of the wall that's canon i mean george released that it was huge when he released that that was like the only other chapter preview that was really big for me this is a subjective opinion was that and elaine those two were like oh my god the crowd goes wild when he released those chapter previews and that's what really made me excited for fire and blood honestly yeah but that got a lot of people excited i think like i think everybody was like very thirsty and george was like let me just dribble this a little bit and we all lost our minds because the implications yeah and if we're going to be dropping those hints into already season one

we got the prophecy we got the knife being wielded around everywhere if we're gonna give us these breadcrumbs anyway that to me is one that it would be such a shame to miss out on that opportunity speaking of that dagger being waved around aegon and Amund, I think Amund might get the dagger at some point from photos, it looks like, I'm not sure. But Agen definitely has the dagger. Yeah. Do you think there's a chance that his dumb fucking ass figures it out too? I don't think he can read Valyrian. No.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Amund figures it out? Oh. Oh. wouldn't it be interesting if amand figures it out oh oh because i think that dagger is going to pass hands and i'm like so what if we have the chosen one thinking he's the chosen one going against the chosen one thinking she's the chosen one hold on my brain what does that mean for who a chosen one is yeah yeah well i mean i feel like that only adds fuel to when your cause is a righteous cause and your cause is the quote-unquote like prophesied i'm the one you are going to stop at absolutely not absolutely nothing and amin does not need more of that energy behind him because i feel like he already has that and he's already

the um got that taurus gemini action going on exactly what he's got so he doesn't need any more self-righteousness but that's something i did not consider i feel like it's really possible if he has i mean i can't imagine him having something that even to him is already has a history to it because of what his mom did um in the room with him wouldn't take a closer look at it yeah and thinking of like helena and wondering if she'll have any visions that come to interest in that too together with the visions and what you're saying about amen being like is he the chosen one and other characters also being like, are they the chosen one? And how that plays into this idea of like prophecy and belief. That is a theme that might not be as much in Fire and Blood besides

like the whole succession thing, but that is absolutely a theme that is a part of A Song of Ice and Fire and is coming to the forefront. Like one of the ways that we start exploring that initially is with Stannis, but we we're gonna see that happen with other characters as well in all these different religious movements so i love how you tied that like to that that sense of um belief yeah look at the opening scene of the last trailer that we got with damon walking down the throne room towards the iron throne that's not happening in real life and so these other dreams or prophecies or righteous you know intent that people feel like they have something that would also be really interesting though to kind of play off of this prophecy idea is if amon figures it out for himself and so he's not like bestowed upon this thing he then takes it which for the

narrative i think the greens versus the blacks and just who is in the right or the wrong i feel like that's such an interesting thing to think about like just taking that for yourself and as we think about the broader song of ice and fire story people taking that for themselves i think is such an interesting conversation to have like rhaegar yeah all these characters that decide they're the hero and then they get proven they're not because they die horribly also as interesting daenerys targaryen you know i don't know i mean she still could be john for sure any of them could be but they're also any of them also could not be you know and so it's like being told that you are or reading it and believing that it's you yeah i think that's the bigger part right and how it

consumes you and how prophecy just completely consumes you and you become dedicated to that and all of your movements become changed by that i think that's going to be something interesting like that's why i'm like what if aegon did figure it out as a bastardization of it too because that's the next part right telephone gardic phone so the prophecy that we have today in a song of ice and fire gardic phone how like how this prophecy has been passed down and how people have it or do not have it right because everybody that could get it from monera dies could could aegon 3 know from someone it could be something that gets frantically told to him when he's a kid by someone random that somehow knows it like we just don't know what's going to happen here they can play with that in the show which is kind of cool

but i think there's a chance that like somehow game of telephone it gets passed down and maybe over time it's mistranslated misconstrued like ancient text dude i love that i think there's a chance that somehow game of telephone, it gets passed down. And maybe over time, it's mistranslated, misconstrued, like ancient text, dude. I love that. I think that's great. Yes. Aemond having it, or maybe Aegon having it, or both of them. Helena having some vision of it of some sort. I think these are really real possibilities of what we could see this season.

I mean, it's already telephoned, right? this season i mean it's already like telephoned right in that i at least we see vasiris being like wait maybe my daughter could be the continuation of the line right as opposed to being like it has to be a son because the the dagger says what from my blood something something something from my blood doesn't mean from my seed right from my blood in the same way that ned is like yeah john's my blood that doesn't mean that's his son as because chloe and i are rainies rainies believers truthers of the the real like song of ice and fire continues through rainies's line but anyways yeah we're we're rainies bastard truthers and nothing matters because all of you are from the bastard line. I can get on board.

That's pretty interesting. Could you imagine? Like, think about that. Yeah. Aeneas is half Rainey's, half someone else. Not Aegon. Mm-hmm. And then everything from there and all these battles fought over who has what blood and who's the heir and who's a woman, who's a dude.

All of that for nothing all of it meant nothing in the end how george rr martin of him well it actually is if you look at dying of the light yeah that's what i'm saying in dying of the light is uh they're like yeah actually the the original like two dudes one or both of them might have been women or something they're like yeah the history's got it wrong anyways Anyways, so interesting stuff. I think that's why I love this so much. Like, I love Dance of the Dragons because it's just nonsense. Like, none of this matters.

You're all fighting over made-up petty bullshit. And I love that the show is translating that. Like, everyone is literally fighting over made-up petty bullshit in the show, too. It's great. And it's very real. It's Dragonstone stone jersey shore oh my gosh don't even talk to me about jersey shore i haven't watched jersey oh my gosh you need to get yeah you gotta get on that you need to get your gtl on eliana it's time stocking my whole life on the boardwalk. Yeah. Caps are here. Our other friend Alex, who, from Got Thrones, loves also reality television.

And I haven't, like, gotten into any of these reality television shows that follow families. Like, Chloe, I know that you've been keeping up with the Kardashians. It's been incredible. I have not watched Jersey Shore. Alex loves Vanderpump Rules. So, like, these are all, like, family-based reality TV shows.. Mine are more of like, you know, Love Island, Love is Blind, and those kinds of shows. Like so I, it's, I, it's so interesting how many flavors and I've finally gotten into The Bachelor this latest season. So anyways, that is, that's all I have to say. I haven't started getting,

So anyways, that's all I have to say. I haven't started getting... I know, right? People loved Joey. And he seemed like a nice boy. And I could not do what he does, which is be nice to all 30 of these people. And I couldn't be the Bachelor. Like, honestly, Rayneera. I don't know if...

Rayneera couldn't even do it. Rayneera could not be nice to all these 30 people. Like, Joey's a save. Like, is the money even worth it at that point? I don't feel like it is. No. I don't think Joey's rich. Is he?

Oh, oh. Oh. Yeah, that's true. Well, I'm just, I'm saying I'm like her in that I would have just been like I'm gonna ghost my own my own thing and same that's all I had that um you know all of you watching these uh I gotta start getting into the familial reality tv shows you do it'll it'll help your podcast no I literally do things to say about family drama and family dynamics and understanding how people work we got a soap opera on our hands you think otto hightower is a

machiavellian like villain akin to tywin wait until you meet chris fucking jenner okay because she is like i have never met a narcissist. I haven't met her. But I haven't met one either as great as her. She is terrible and great and wonderful. I mean, I have to just say, I think I might have said this recently to you guys in the podcast somewhere. Kim Kardashian's fairy tale wedding episode part one and two is some of the like most dramatic tense tv like when I say it's crazy my partner my roommate my partner who am I Eliana my roommate was in the kitchen making dinner and like looked up mid chopping something and his mouth was slightly like a gate and was like oh my god and i'm like i know right like it's that it's such a slow burn

i think i'm on season six maybe or seven um i'm getting excited for some of the real interesting stuff hit but something i'm noticing is there's a lot of gaps, a lot of time jumps, where they're not including certain things. Oh. And, like, it's just stuff in passing, and there are spinoff shows. So you still have to watch, like, House of the Kardashians, season one, season two. No, I'm just kidding. But there is.

There's, like, Takes Miami. I think it's Khloe and Kourtney Take Miami or whatever. There's a bunch of other stuff. I haven't gotten there yet. But, like, if you don't watch it, you don't know, and they just say, okay, so over the summer this happened. But, like, family dynamics and craziness i love it and that's probably why i like hot d because like i can't stop watching the train wreck of these people on hot d on keeping up with the kardashians on jersey shore i mean they're they're a beautiful

train wreck too well because no one's making good decisions on any side. And I feel like Hot D has done such a good job of making it feel real and not some scripted show about what is morally right or wrong. It's just a mess. It's a story. It's a story. And like, a story at the end of the day like yeah we can have them have morals that's fine too uh and to an extent like part of the reason why people made stories was to pass down information but that doesn't mean it was like a lesson like other than i don't know don't get fucking eaten by the lion but no i'm being serious but but at the end of the day, like, a lot of the reason why we tune into stories is to be entertained. And, like, are you not entertained, everyone?

But it's got to be a good entertain. So true. Not, like, whatever the fuck I got. So true. I saw a very nondescript review that I told you guys about. They were like, something big happens that fans will think of as similar to season one, episode one, when the prophecy was revealed. It's going to blow the fan mind. And I'm like, this could be a total overhype. This could be a total underhype.

I don't care. I'm in. I'm in, motherfuckers. I am strapped in, ready for season two. Yeah. We could know what it was if we were at the premiere sorry yeah if they invited us yeah true we could have we should have i feel like i was so skeptical going into episode one season one and even through like halfway through season one before we went through

the time jump i was so skeptical of what they were or weren't going to be able to pull off to be honest with you and now all bets are off i'm all in i agree with you chloe i'm here for it whatever you say i'm in you can do no wrong i don't think we're going to be i do not think we're going to be disappointed with what's what's to come and so whatever that might be in episode one, I bet they're underhyping it. What? Episode eight, right? Of Hustle the Dragon, a masterpiece and has like almost no magic, you know? I mean, granted, it sounds like what you're saying implies magic, but like that was just a purely drama driven episode in so many ways. Other than like the slight prophecy stuff where he's like blah blah you know like saying things that to allison at the end but you know you know just the like sprinkle

sprinkle of magic i don't mind that honestly i think it could have been dealt with differently but i don't mind it especially with that scene by the fire i thought it was all i think about is her as a kid by the fire i think it's all brilliant. All I think about is her as a kid by the fire. I think it's all brilliant. Like it's so poetically done and, and I can't get over episode nine. I think I was very, and maybe I wasn't harsh. I'm sure I wasn't actually mean about it in our episodes, but I'm sure I was not as positive about it when we covered it because I

think it's actually a masterpiece now it's slower paced. It's beautiful. It has tensions that are built and it does a lot of heavy lifting for season two. Yeah. A lot of setup for the greens for season two and Agen and Aemon's relationship and Eric and Arik, right? Like I think a lot of that is being set up and I think it's going to play off really well.

So I think it was just one of those investment episodes. And the other thing is like, it's all a part of a tapestry, right? I'm not invested in the events of season two as much personally it's not a part of the book that i care about as much as what season three might hold i'm much more also like a big fan of after the hour of the wolf like i'm an egg in three like mess of a reign and everyone's dying randomly around him. I want to see that. I want to see the beautiful girlies,

Bela and Rhaena, show up and start to have a political hold on King's Landing. I want to see all that. And I do hope we get it. I don't know if we will. I don't know if we will, but give us the Lycene Spring.

Give us Firefly Volume 2. I want Lycene Spring. I want the rest of Aegon III Spring't i know i'm an idiot i want i want it i want it yeah well with how slow how much i mean we're not really covering based on what we think and based on something ryan condell said when he was like season two is the slow march to war or something like that how much time we have to cover what happens in however many seasons we're gonna get it makes me i'm starting to get a little worried about what we're gonna get beyond season three or even beyond season two because based on what we think can we talk about it i mean yeah spoilers but based on what we think we get

season two reyner is on the throne um that's that's like the end of season two and then you know how much farther are we gonna be able to get along and in three or four and so i try not to get my hopes up too much on what may come down the pipeline because it's so interesting i know we have less episodes um this season but it's so interesting to me that that's the stopping point that they picked i assume they picked because season three has to have like because that's the thing and me and my roommate argue about this sometimes for fun you know how it goes but that's the thing like where do where do we get to end and personally i think I think what they'll do, not what I want, what they'll do will be they end with Aegon dismissing his advisors

and mirroring Bran and be like, yo, let's get to work, motherfuckers. But that requires a time jump and that requires some stuff. And also, my roommate has said to me that he thinks that there's no way you get another season after you kill Rhaenyra in a season. If you kill Rhaenyra in a season, maybe early, like Purple Wedding style, as far as like early in the season, you know, but if you get there and kill her, you won't be able to retain viewership for the next season, which I agree. I mean, I do think that's fair. I think you have to end it that season, which is kind of sucky. I agree with that. I would say that, but I feel like that's what drew people to Game of Thrones in the first place, which was, and granted,

that was a very long time ago. So, and I think there is probably a little bit of a different audience maybe now, but if anybody can do it, I feel like it can be in the a song of ice and fire universe because that's what made season one season three you know all these shocking moments in early days of game of thrones and so much of house the dragon to me feels early days of game of thrones windingly telling the family drama. Like we were talking about episodes that are just dialogue are some of our favorite moments and episodes of season one about a story about dragons killing each other. And we like the chatter between the houses.

So I don't know. I feel like if anybody can do it, it could be this, but I think I, yeah. I mean, what do I know? But I agree that I think it does

have to the season that Rhaenyra dies it has to be like whatever the last season is I do think we could get it like I said like if they're going to do the Cregan Stark thing and really invest we're going to get at least up until the Hour of the Wolf and I I like what you're saying of you know mirroring Bran but I think that they would do it a little differently like with a twist right it's a more ambiguous tone that that kind of would go with what George was saying of like what do you mean like Aragorn like ruled peacefully this whole time because that's what they did with Game of Thrones they wrapped it up really nicely and they're like yeah it's a happy ending like Bran's king right it's all gonna go fucking great but as opposed to that being like what happens

yeah what happens when you put like a boy king on the throne how well is it gonna be and we're gonna leave it a little much more uncertain and be like well he is building on a shaky foundation what the fuck yeah it's it's not like it's a good rule that he's taking over like it's a rule that comes from so much uncertainty and pain tragedy for years like I mean years he's not said to be a happy little boy yeah I'm interested to see especially the implications of where that leads for the future too as we are getting Dunk and Egg right we're getting Night of the Seven Kingdoms and what lore they set up there and how it all connects and and they just i'm sure they don't want to get overtly laden down with the rules of the universe etc so i can see them keeping it simple in all worlds you know in some ways i can see that like clean ending and

like cutting some characters down and getting the ending and aegon 3 and it's done i think that we're gonna get a lot of insight into that this season too, on how they build up some of these extra peripheral characters and what their roles are like, because how they handle them, I think is really going to set the tone for how they handle then moving the story beyond just the main guys that we've seen so far what is your big expectation of the season hannah like before we sign off this evening what do you feel you're looking the most forward to hearing about seeing happen or that you want to happen i think i think it kind of builds off what we've been talking about which is

some themes that will then give us potential answers or at least nudge us in certain directions when it comes to the broader song of ice and fire story so dragon seeds is something i'm really interested in seeing this season that's probably like my number one most excited thing other than hanging out up north is how that process works and what we might learn about that relationship between a dragon

and its rider and how you can take one on and how with what's his name being alive still and his dragon potentially laner being ridden at some point um yeah yeah yeah yeah if he's you know how that might or might not work he has time to die before his dragon um gets utilized but i just i think all of that is so interesting.

I can't wait to see how they put that together. I can't wait to see what that might mean for our big three in A Song of Ice and Fire and the potential for the three heads of the dragon. I think we might get some answers based on how that works out. So that's probably like the number one thing I'm most excited to see from a theory's perspective. What about you guys?

Yeah, I'm excited to see. I mean, as you were talking about earlier, right, like the family dynamics, how it plays out as the family stuff breaks down in the greens. And even like, you know, seemed like a happy family over on Team Black. I think that they're going to having crax show as well so how how the drama unfolds oh yeah yes all about the drama it'll be so fun i think prophecy is the big thing for me helena is a big character i want to watch and i like a lot and i'm interested to see what kind of storyline she gets outside of just the butcher of her baby in the beginning

Of blood and cheese that's pretty terrible. So excited to see actually like the magic and what sort of plot line she gets outside of that and any prophecy and some of those like book lore reveals transformed into hot D-verse reveals and interested to see how they adapt all that or translate all that yeah well Hannah, thank you for taking time out of the official

goo busy schedule as the world's event coordinator I know you're busy booking those hotels for the Winds of Winter for us so thank you I sure am you're so booking those hotels for the winds of winter for us so thank you i sure am you're so welcome it's my pleasure can you tell everybody and this is if you're not already subscribed to them which you should be where to find game of owns and yourself around the old internet you can find us by searching for game of bones you can find us on wherever you get your podcasts um spotify is my preferred method so we're definitely on spotify

and you can find us on twitter or on instagram by searching for game of bones um you can sometimes email us at contactgameofbones.com but i run the instagram so if you want to get my takes that's where I live so yeah that's where you can find us this has been so much fun I love hanging out with you guys can't wait to have you back

thank you for your time and for hanging out with us also for real you've given us tons of time the past couple weeks and I can't wait to see you in real life big sad big sad to brag not to brag sorry aliana i'm sorry it shall i know sorry aliana our time will come i've seen it when we go to the premiere in our cute outfits i've seen it in my dreams guys we're going to the premiere in our cute outfits. I've seen it in my dreams, guys. We're going to that premiere. We are.

Make it happen. This has been awesome. So thank you, guys. This has been the mid-season finale for Unleash the D. We will be back after House of the Dragon to finish with two episodes for Unleash the D. We'll have two new guests for you all. I can tell you ahead of time. I'm not going to tell you the guests yet, but

one of them is going to speak at depth with their experience in costuming, and the other one doesn't know that they're coming on yet, but they're gonna. Doesn't know yet, but they will be here. They fucking better. We're manifesting. No, they fucking better.

They're infamous, though. You'll love to They fucking better. We're manifesting. No, they fucking better. They're infamous, though. You'll love to have them on. We haven't had them on, actually, in a while either. Since another Jon chapter, if you will. I will be personally hurt if they do not come on. Yeah, they owe us this one. We went on theirs last year. Or last season.

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get one of those and get early episodes. What are you waiting for? You should do it. What are you waiting for? Yeah. As always, I have been one of your hosts, Chloe. Make your joke. I don't think I have anything to say here. Like, I'm not, I'm just a guest.

I'm just a girl. A guest host. Oh my god. Thank you for inviting me for this like first part of the season chloe it's been a wonderful experience i can't wait to revisit it after hot d my god eliana i love you on the podcast i hope you get invited back thank you me too me too i love you i'm really hoping someone's gonna renegotiate my contract you drive a hard bargain the eliana union oh my god now we're talking about you just eliana i'm calling corporate now it's time to go wow

first wow what a what a also like right? Earlier she was advocating for the rich, Rhaenyra Targaryen, now she's advocating. That's a lot. Wow, we'll be back. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. Goodbye. Bye, everyone.